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Bye Bye, Brunell (Updated)

From Jason Reid:

Best of luck to former Redskins quarterback Mark Brunell, who signed today with the New Orleans Saints.
Brunell has been a consummate professional in a 16-year career, the last four seasons with the Redskins. The team's No. 3 quarterback last season, Brunell, 37, left the Redskins in hopes of landing a job as a primary backup. Apparently, the Saints believe he has something left, bringing him in to play behind starter Drew Brees.
Brunell began the season as the Redskins' No. 1 quarterback in 2004, 2005 and 2006. He passed for 3,050 yards with 23 touchdowns and 10 interceptions in leading the Redskins to the playoffs in the 2005 season.
Jason Campbell replaced Brunell as the starter in the 2006 season. For the first time since his rookie season with the Green Bay Packers in 1993, Brunell, a standout at the University of Washington, did not appear in a game last season while playing behind Campbell and No. 2 quarterback Todd Collins.
Brunell has completed 59.6 percent of his passes in his career. He has thrown for 31,286 yards and 182 touchdowns with 106 interceptions, and had his best statistics during a successful nine-year run with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
In another bit of free agent news for the Redskins today, wide receiver D.J. Hackett did not accept the team's contract offer and plans to explore his options, a league source said.
"We're interested but it has to make sense for us," said Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations. "That's what we've said all along about the guys we like [in free agency], the money has to make sense, and that hasn't changed."
Hackett was the first free agent to visit the Redskins. He had dinner with Cerrato on Wednesday and met with team officials yesterday at Redskins Park, but it appears that the contract he's seeking is not in line with what the Redskins would prefer to pay.
From the outset of free agency, the Redskins made it clear that they have a tight budget and planned to shop widely. Regardless of their free spending ways of the past, the Redskins seem to be sticking with their plan.
They were determined to re-sign quarterback Todd Collins and got it done quickly because he wanted to return and they made him "a really good offer," Collins said.
Rock Cartwright re-signed after testing the market and finding there was little out there for him. The team also has extended an offer to wide receiver Reche Caldwell and is waiting to hear from his agent.
Sorry it took me so long to get this done. My BlackBerry always seems to blow up when I'm on the set of Comcast SportsNet's "Washington Post Live" and can't return calls. Fortunately, The Post continues to pay the bill so the voicemail still works. Peace.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 13, 2008; 7:31 PM ET
 
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Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that d-bag poolman's rascist comments always post 3 times?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse


Why is it that d-bag poolman's rascist comments always post 3 times?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2008 07:37 PM

That was my thought? WTF is he talking about

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Good luck MB. You gave us some exciting times .. especially that BIG win that you and Santana gave to Joe in Dallass. You are a great guy, a future HoF'er, a Brother, and a true team player.

Posted by: bugmenot | March 13, 2008 07:06 PM

Hall of Fame, Just laughed for about 20 minutes on that one, he has absolutley no shot at making the HOF, he was a bum that we paid way to much money for. I wish him luck in NO but do not act like he was some kind of God when he was here.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 13, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

MARK, there's more black people begging down there was up here. Good luck saying no to the man who lost his $3000.00 house due to the storm. Blacks aren't bad but they just beg alittle to much due the storm. Just my opinion.

Posted by: poolman | March 13, 2008 07:17 PM

Poolman,

Again you show your stupidity, and your inability to post something only once.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 13, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Poolman, the 40's called they want the concept of a $3,000 house back.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Brunell was a pretty good Qb in the late 90s when he played for Jax. We got to see an aging broken down QB that had a handful of good games and a few memorable plays. His atrocious play in 04 and 06 will unfortunately be my lasting impressions of the guy.

Posted by: cdubb | March 13, 2008 07:38 PM

Don't forget to pick up your white sheet at the cleaners poolman.

Posted by: cdubb | March 13, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse


Good Luck N'Orleans,


With all the recovery from devastation, from death, from destruction, from the pits of Mother Nature's fury, the stoic people of New Orleans get........Mark
F-ing Brunell? As if these poor people haven't seen enough! Now they have to see the minus 5 yard screen, the 2 yard out, the 3 yard button hook, and the unforgettable outta outta bounds pass. I still secretly think Brunell is right-handed, but what do I know.

Posted by: duh2mag | March 13, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Mark! Thanks.

Don't know if anyone has posted this, it's from an ESPN Chat with KC Joyner -

Alan (Richmond, VA): How much would WAS signing DJ Hackett and moving Randal-El to the slot help their WR corps and their offense?

KC Joyner: Alan, pairing Hackett with Santana Moss and Chris Cooley would give Washington legitimate short, medium and deep threats for the first time in a long time. I know they aren't going to do much in FA this year but this would be a no-brainer move to make.

Eric (Long Island, NY): following up on saying hackett to washington would be a no-brainer..wouldnt it be a no-brainer for the bills to add Bryant Johnson, it seems he would come at a reasonable price?

KC Joyner: I wouldn't go so far as to call Johnson a no-brainer. He isn't the consistent receiving threat that Hackett is and tends to vary between good and bad games. Johnson is also more of a vertical threat and with Lee Evans already in the fold, Buffalo doesn't have a big need for another bomb target. They need a short/medium threat and that really isn't Johnson's specialty.

Posted by: kost52 | March 13, 2008 07:34 PM

Posted by: kost52 | March 13, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I think you have that disease where you constantly repeat yourself. I call it sloblogeritus. jk :-)

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I think you have that disease where you constantly repeat yourself. I call it sloblogeritus. jk :-)

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Dang I guess its contagious and I got it now

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed... I thought there would be a cure for that by your time.

Posted by: Dorf | March 13, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed... I thought there would be a cure for that by your time.

Posted by: Dorf | March 13, 2008 08:13 PM

ROFLMAO!

Posted by: alex35332 | March 13, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | March 13, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Prudent spending vs. tightwad. A very fine line to walk. Hope Vinny stays upright.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | March 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Brunell is a good QB, classy human, and a very good leader. I thought the switch to Campbell was warranted for the future, but it's not like Brunell caused the shabingus that was 2006. In point of fact, we probably would have won more had Brunell stayed under center.
But, that's water under the bridge, and he certainly can't complain he was mistreated. And he helped out capwise with his renegotiation last year -- without that, it would have been impossible to cut him last year, and painful even today.

Posted by: daggar | March 13, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so what are they going to do with the cap space (minus that needed for draft picks) they created?

Why create cap space now - that will, if I have this right, "hurt" you later - if you're not going to use it?

Quo vadis?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 13, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm dying for some liquid refreshment. It's 40C here at the moment, even hotter here in the factory. I believe that translates to about 104 Farenheit.

Posted by: kost52 | March 13, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

>>> "I still secretly think Brunell is right-handed, but what do I know."

That has to be one of the funniest things I've read up here in a while :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | March 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

ok seriously i know he wasnt a great qb but he was the first qb to get the skins back to the playoffs in what a decade? seriously thats how u treat a guy.. real nice guys.. hes obv way past his time but apperciate what he DID do for the skins.

Posted by: peters82 | March 13, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so what are they going to do with the cap space (minus that needed for draft picks) they created?

Why create cap space now - that will, if I have this right, "hurt" you later - if you're not going to use it?

Quo vadis?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 13, 2008 09:19 PM

Maybe they're gonna bid against other teams this year instead of bidding against themselves. They knew Hackett was going to visit other teams so why not see what they offer and then counter offer instead of just making an outrageous offer outright. We could save money this way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 13, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Read posts for about a year and first time commenting.
I think the skins are going to make a play for R.Williams. They have been saving cap space for a big WR. Detroit just released K.jones, which opens up a possible Betts and a high draft pick. What do you guys think?

Posted by: rutle15 | March 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

MB to New Orleans.

Farewell to a Super Smart guy. Nobody threw the ball out of bounds like he did. Under center to sideline or third row of stands in less than 3 seconds.

Super tough too. Hamstring all black and blue. Nobody stood so mid-height-ish in the face of cascading love from the boo-birds at Fed-Ex.

Key Burgundy and Black Moments;

Squirming in Comcast Post game Interview after a pathetic loss and shameful grilling from Kelly Johnson.

Telling the press before the 2006 Season, with his new targets Randle El and Lloyd at training camp, "Anything Less Than the Superbowl will be a disappointment".

NFL single game Consecutive Completed Passes record against Houston, with 22. Average YPC 7.
Saunders afterward, "We kind of know what Mark does well".

Key MB Quotes, (my fav's)

"Mechanically [against Philadelphia], I was a little off. I didn't get much work during the week and it bothered me on a couple of throws. -- Mark Brunell

"Tough way to start a football game. It's tough to establish any momentum or get anything going. I think that hurt us." -
-- Mark brunell

We couldn't run it and, obviously, we didn't throw well, either." -
-- Mark brunell

"We just needed to keep the ball in our hands and convert those third downs and get some points. But we just didn't do it." -
-- Mark brunell

"If we don't win this one, we're done." -
-- Mark brunell


Posted by: DownTownClown | March 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Classic, DownTownClown,


Who needs Winston Churchill or Abraham Lincoln when you have Mark Brunell. For all you Brunell sympathizers, this guy was a cap albatross who saved Gibbs' life that night in the restaurant (and the rest was history). Nice guy, check, good family man, check, good Christian, check check, good quarterback, X. The guy lost his chops, and playoffs or no playoffs didn't change his ability to maximize the one yard fly pattern. Too bad we can't cut Vinny and save more room under the cap. Here's to our first round pick, the kicker from Chattahoochee State.

Posted by: duh2mag | March 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Whoever mentioned betts and a high pick for roy williams I highly doubt it. Detroit has tatum bell and the draft is fairly deep at RB this year so I doubt the lions would want betts when they could get a guy in the draft. That and from the skins standpoint i would give them betts and a future pick based on the performance of williams this season or betts and this years 3rd round pick but we won't give up a day 1 pick and betts.

Posted by: murraysdaman10 | March 14, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

trust me iam glad were unable to sign Hackett here is why i beleve that we need a reveiver with some serious size like either Limas Sweed from Texas who is 6'5 or James Hardy who is somewhere between 6'5 to 6'7 that is the kind of size that iam looking for but this is where it's catch 22 if the skins spend their pick on say either on a corner or Dend on 1st round are either one of those receivers gonna fall to the skins 51st pick on the 2nd round and here is something else you have to question receivers are either two of those receivers first round quality players.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | March 14, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

trust me iam glad were unable to sign Hackett here is why i beleve that we need a reveiver with some serious size like either Limas Sweed from Texas who is 6'5 or James Hardy who is somewhere between 6'5 to 6'7 that is the kind of size that iam looking for but this is where it's catch 22 if the skins spend their pick on say either on a corner or Dend on 1st round are either one of those receivers gonna fall to the skins 51st pick on the 2nd round and here is something else you have to question receivers are either two of those receivers first round quality players.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | March 14, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

One correction on the post - MB did NOT begin the 2005 season as the starter. It was Patrick Ramsey, remember? You probably forgot because it took Joe Gibbs about a quarter and a half to screw Ramsey (and the fans) so he could indulge his bizarre man-crush on Mark "Three and Out" Brunell. Probably the most dishonorable thing Gibbs did during his second tenure. He lied through his teeth to Ramsey and the fans. And for what? Brunell was a bum in Washington. Good riddance.

Posted by: redskins | March 14, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

+++++You probably forgot because it took Joe Gibbs about a quarter and a half to screw Ramsey (and the fans) so he could indulge his bizarre man-crush on Mark "Three and Out" Brunell. Probably the most dishonorable thing Gibbs did during his second tenure. He lied through his teeth to Ramsey and the fans.++++


Dear Mrs. Ramsey,
The reason Joe Gibbs didn't play Patrick was because he, what's the word I'm looking for... oh yes, sucked. Of course he sucked before Joe arrived, but Joe honorably gave him his shot, but he stunk up the joint so bad, Joe had to go with dead arm Brunell. After PAtrick left the Redskins he continued to suck. Next season, if he plays, he will also suck. No "Man Crush." Just suckage.

Posted by: corkczar | March 14, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

On this fine summer eve I'm working my way through 4 six-packs.

From Australia - James Squire I.P.A.

From Australia - Baron's Lager

From Czech Rep. - Budejovicky Budvar

From Russia - Baltika No.7

Posted by: kost52 | March 14, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Brunell was a bum in Washington. Good riddance.

Posted by: redskins | March 14, 2008 02:08 AM

Mark Brunell's QB ratings in Washington: 64, 86, 87
TD's -- 38; INT's -- 20

Jason Campbell's QB ratings: 77, 78
TD's -- 22; INT's -- 17

Patrick Ramsey's QB ratings: 72, 76, 75
TD's -- 34; INT's -- 29

If Brunell was a bum, what does it make these other two?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

One correction on the post - MB did NOT begin the 2005 season as the starter. It was Patrick Ramsey, remember? You probably forgot because it took Joe Gibbs about a quarter and a half to screw Ramsey (and the fans) so he could indulge his bizarre man-crush on Mark "Three and Out" Brunell. Probably the most dishonorable thing Gibbs did during his second tenure. He lied through his teeth to Ramsey and the fans. And for what? Brunell was a bum in Washington. Good riddance.

Posted by: redskins | March 14, 2008 02:08 AM

Yeah, it really sucked making the playoffs that year. Beating Dallas on that Monday Night Miracle- that was awful. If only Ramsey was playing, we would have had homefield advantage and probablywon the Super Bowl.

Honestly, if Ramsey had a shred of talent, don't you think SOMEONE would have noticed by now?

Thanks to Mark for being classy. He had his ups and downs here, but he was always a classy individual.

And for the record, he's definitely not going to the HOF, but he did have the 8th highest QB rating of all-time when he came to Washington. The man was an excellent QB in his day.

Posted by: joningram | March 14, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

What's up with the 2 idiot postings. One doesn't have any idea how to spell or use punctuation. Makes the comment rather difficult to read. The other, well, he must have lost a bet because of Brunell at some point. Quite irrational.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm intrigued by Kevin Jones. I'd say that he's worth a look see, if that foot is healed, or if he needs to sit on IR for a year, then he might be worth it.

On another note, someone is going to get a steal in Jonathan Stewart in the upcoming draft. He was recently diagnosed with a broken foot, which probably will drop him in the draft.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

In what role would you want to use Jones, and if we were to look at him doesn't that mean we would have to give up Betts.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

km, heck, I'd keep them both. If Zorn doesn't come in and drastically REDUCE the amount of touch's that Portis has, then CP will be a mere shell of himself in the next year or two. Give Betts the KR duties, as well as about 100-150 carries, and depending on his health, slowly work Jones into the mix as well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to the FO for underbidding on Hackett. He would be a very nice pickup and would remove one of the "needs" come draft day, but I really like how they are sticking to the fiscal guns. Looks like they are actually sticking to a plan. Someone out there was questioning about why they created cap room if they aren't going to use it? Pretty good management thus far IMO; they have I believe $7 million free right now ON TOP OF money aside for the rookies and late injury pickups....nice. Face it, the market right now is very thin, why pickup a scrub for the sake of spending money. Let's not forget that there will be a bunch of June cuts after the draft, so let's save some money for a good pickup or two there. You never know, Hacket could come back to us later for much cheaper than what he expects at this point. Score one for Vinny.
Also good luck to Mark Brunell. True class act.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 14, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

News of the day,
PFT.com
ROBERTSON'S KNEES CAUSE CONCERN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2008, 8:50 a.m.
As the New York Jets continue to try to unload trade (we love these new blog tools that our previous 18th Century production system didn't allow) defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, word is getting around that one of the big concerns with Robertson is the condition of his knees.

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that two teams think that Robertson would be undraftable in 2008 due to his knees. So who, then, would give up a draft pick or two for him?

There's also a concern that Robertson might have only one year left, due to his knee problems.

Still, Schefter points out that Robertson has started every game for the past two years, and has played in every game in four of his five seasons in the league.

Thus, the Jets will continue to try to shop him. But a deal needs to be done fairly soon. On June 3, Robertson is due to receive a $3 million roster bonus. So if the Jets can't trade him, they'll most likely cut him.

The Denver Broncos remain in the hunt for Robertson. Given the team's screwy moves regarding defensive linemen over the years, it really isn't a surprise.

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TEXANS TAP BROWN
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2008, 8:39 a.m.
Running back Chris Brown, a third-round pick of the Tennessee Titans in 2003, has signed with the Houston Texans.

Brown hit free agency in 2007, but eventually returned to the Titans with a one-year deal. After a 175-yard effort in Week One, Brown essentially disappeared.

In Houston, he joins a rotation that will feature Ahman Green, if Green can stay healthy, in an offense that features the zone-blocking system that has created a string of 1,000-yard runners in Denver.

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OGDEN TELLS RAVENS TO ASSUME HE'S DONE
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2008, 8:33 a.m.
Left tackle Jonathan Ogden, a potential Hall of Famer who was drafted in the same opening round of the same draft as sure-fire Hall-of-Fame linebacker Ray Lewis, has told the Baltimore Ravens to assume that the lineman's 12-year career is over.

Ogden has been bothered by a toe injury since 2006. He aggravated it in Week One of the 2007 season, and he is still bothered by it.

"It just hasn't healed 100 percent, and I don't know if it will," Ogden told the Las Vegas Review-Journal, by way of the the Baltimore Sun. "I can still play, but . . . I don't want to play if I can't play at the level I'm capable of playing at."

But Ogden hasn't closed the door on returning. "I have not officially retired," Ogden said. "So if I come back, it's great, they said, but they're proceeding as if I'm not."

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SOME DON'T THINK INJURY WILL HURT STEWART
Posted by Mike Florio on March 14, 2008, 8:27 a.m.
On the surface, Oregon running back Jonathan Stewart's surgery to repair a broken bone in his foot has raised red flags. But some league insiders appreciate the fact that Stewart addressed the situation now, even though it puts his short-term financial interests at risk.

"It's not a real big deal," said one league source. "I don't think he gets out of round one. He's simply too talented. It's not really, in my opinion, any different than Heath Miller having surgery to repair a sports hernia before the draft.

"I actually think it's responsible and somewhat honorable that he had it fixed now. He did it so he'd be ready for camp at the expense of his draft stock. A lot of players would not have done that. I think it reflects positively on the kid and I don't think teams will hold it against him. He's too good. The Bills drafted Willis McGahee in round one, and Stewart is every bit as good with a much less serious injury."

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

If we give Betts the KR duties what is Rock going to do?

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The Lions also cut Kalimba Edwards a former high draft pick DE. Any chance Blache likes him enough to bring him in on the cheap? I can't remember seeing much of him to know how's he played recently...

Posted by: gibs10 | March 14, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

dl, don't kid yourself, the market was thin at the START of free agency as well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

km, good call, I forgot we signed Rock. This is some of the reason why I was against bringing back Rock. If you bring in a player like Kevin Jones, and give Betts the KR duties, you've improved the overall quality of your RB core.
Having Kevin Jones as your #3, versus Rock as your #3, is a HUGE upgrade.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Full Name: Kalimba Edwards
Born: December 26, 1979
East Point, GA
Height: 6-6
Weight: 265 lbs. Age: 28
Pos: DE
Experience: 6 years
College: South Carolina
Drafted: Year:2002 Round:2 Pick:3, Lions

YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2002 DET 16 36 30 6 4 6.5 2 0 0 0 0
2003 DET 15 16 16 0 3 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
2004 DET 16 22 18 4 1 4.5 2 0 0 0 0
2005 DET 16 32 25 7 2 7.0 2 10 0 0 0
2006 DET 16 37 25 12 1 3.0 1 3 0 0 0
2007 DET 8 17 13 4 0 3.0 2 0 0 0 0
Career 87 160 127 33 11 26.0 9 0 0 0 0

From the Detroit Free Press:

When Kalimba Edwards left the Lions' locker room Monday, he didn't expect to be back.


"I told you all at the beginning of the season what the deal was if I didn't produce, if you all remember my statements," Edwards said. "If I would have made the plays, I'd still be here. I told you if I didn't make the plays, I wasn't going to be here."

Edwards, a second-round pick in 2002, signed a five-year, $20-million contract with the Lions in '06. He hoped coach Rod Marinelli, a defensive line guru, would turn him into one of the NFL's top pass rushers. He talked about double-digit sacks.

But he had only three sacks each of the past two seasons. He opened this season as the starting right defensive end, missed four games because of injuries and ended up inactive for the last four games. He didn't even travel for the last two road games.

He said he wasn't bitter, though.

"We men, man," Edwards said. "Ain't no hostility. You sign a contract. If you produce, you keep that contract. If you don't, you don't. Me and Rod, we men. ...

"When he told me what was up, I said, 'I understand,' because that was the deal between us. It was unsaid. It was unwritten. But we knew what the deal was."

Has Marinelli told Edwards he will not be back?

"No," Edwards said. "He hasn't told me that. But we know. It wasn't like words were spoken. We just know. Me and the old man, we're different but the same. We man up, because ain't no shrinking away from nothing. We bring it to the light. We admit to failure. We admit to success. Either way, we take it."

Why didn't Edwards produce?

"I ain't got no answer for that," he said.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg, bringing in Kevin Jones makes absolutely no sense. We have CP, Betts, AND Rock - who is dying for a chance to carry the ball and is a true "Core" Redskin. Not to mention Mason.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 14, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, here is what you need to know about Rock. 31 NFL teams had the chance to sign him, and 31 NFL teams PASSED on that chance. What does that tell you about him??

Rock is an average to good kick returner, special teams player. NOT MUCH MORE. And don't get me started on Mason. He's got the same stats as I do. Actually I rushed for as many yards last year as Mason, and Rock COMBINED.

Kevin Jones would give the Redskins a third option out of the backfield, versus Rock who gives us nothing out of the backfield.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Auburn Pro day stats,

Monday marked Auburn's Pro Day, with NFL scouts putting Auburn's NFL hopefuls through their paces. Some players who participated in the NFL Combine in Indianapolis stood on their combine numbers in some categories.
Here's how Auburn players who participated in Monday's Pro Day fared:

TE Cole Bennett (6-4 ¾, 255 pounds)
Vertical leap: 29.5 feet
Long jumps: 9 feet, 11 inches and 10-2
Bench press: 225 pounds at 23 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.77 and 4.54 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.46 seconds.

S Eric Brock (6-0 204)
Vertical leap: 36 and 37 inches
Long jump: 9 feet, 7 inches
Bench press: 225 pounds at 13 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.70 and 4.63 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.43 seconds

OT King Dunlap (6-8 ¼, 311)
Vertical leap: 30 inches
Long jump: N/A
Bench press: 225 pounds at 20 reps
40-yard dash times: 5.26 and 5.00 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 8.05 seconds

CB Zack Gilbert (5-9 187)
Vertical leap: 34 and 36.5 inches
Long jump: 9 feet, 11 inches and 10-1.5
Bench press: 225 pounds at 17 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.57 and 4.39 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 6.90 seconds

DE/LB Quentin Groves (249 pounds)
Vertical leap: 34.5 and 35 inches
Note: Groves stood mainly on combine numbers.

CB Patrick Lee (196 pounds)
Vertical leap: 35 inches
Long jump: 9 feet, 8 inches; 9 feet, 9 inches
40-yard dash times: 4.51 and 4.42 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 6.88 seconds

WR Prechae Rodgriquez (6-4, 207)
Vertical leap: 35 inches
Bench press: 225 pounds at 8 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.64 and 4.44 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.16 seconds

DT, Pat Sims (305 pounds)
Vertical leap: 29.5 and 30.5 inches
Long jump: 7 feet, 9 inches; 7-11
40-yard dash time: 4.80 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.67 seconds

FB Carl Stewart (6-1 1/8, 231)
Vertical leap: 38 and 39.5 inchesLong jump: 10 feet, 1 inch
Bench press: 225 pounds at 24 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.69 and 4.54 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.40 seconds

DT Josh Thompson (5-11 ¼, 304)
Vertical leap: 28 and 28.5 inches
Long jump: 7 feet, 9 inches
40-yard dash times: 5.34 and 4.72 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.76 seconds

CB Jonathan Wilhite (187 pounds)
Vertcial leap: 35 inches
Long jump: 9 feet, 9.5 inches; 10-0
40-yard dash: 4.42 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone: 7.17 seconds

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Alabama pro day stats,

Gil Brandt of NFL.com has posted the times and stats filed from Wednesday's Pro Day workout here:

Alabama (March 12)
This was a great visit for the representatives from 30 NFL teams who attended, as they served a big lunch and the Alabama coaching staff was very helpful and cooperative. Thirteen players worked out, including an intriguing prospect from tiny Stillman College who has no football experience. They worked out indoors on Field Turf.

� WR D.J. Hall (6-0 1/2, 202): Ran the 40 in 4.59 and 4.55, had a 32 1/2-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, did not run position drills due to a groin injury and kept his numbers from the combine for everything else.

� DL Wallace Gilberry (6-2 1/4, 261): Ran the 40 in 5.02, had a 30-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 10-inch long jump, 17 reps in the bench press, kept his other numbers from the combine but did not run position drills.

� CB Simeon Castile (6-0 3/8, 193): Ran the 40 in 4.56 and 4.58, had a 36-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 10-inch long jump, 8 reps in the bench press, kept his numbers from the combine for everything else but did not run position drills. Note -- his dad played five seasons in the NFL.

� WR Keith Brown (6-2 1/8, 201): Ran the 40 in 4.50 and 4.48, had a 31 1/2-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 7-inch long jump, 4.65 short shuttle, 7.25 cone drill, ran position drills and kept his numbers from the combine for everything else.

� WR Matt Caddell (5-10 3/8,. 184): Ran the 40 in 4.41 and 4.39, had a 39 1/2--inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 8-inch long jump, 4.33 short shuttle, 7.33 cone drill, 13 reps in the bench press, and ran position drills.

� CB/KR Brian Witherspoon (5-10 3/8,. 175): This prospect from Stillman College in Tuscaloosa, Ala., was invited to take part in workouts -- he has great numbers but no football experience. He ran the 40 in 4.33 and 4.29, had a 40--inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 10-inch long jump, 4.36 short shuttle, 6.86 cone drill, and ran position drills for cornerback and kick returns.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the hookup. Other than Groves, and possibly Bennett in the later rounds, not sure how much is there.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg,
Position rankings and projected draft round, from Draft.com

Offense

QUARTERBACKS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Matt Ryan 6-5, 228 Boston Coll 1
2 Brian Brohm 6-3, 230 Louisville 1
3 Chad Henne 6-3, 230 Michigan 2
4 Joe Flacco 6-7, 236 Delaware 2
5 John David Booty 6-3, 218 USC 2-3
6 Andre Woodson 6-4, 229 Kentucky 3
7 Eric Ainge 6-6, 228 Tennessee 3-4
8 Dennis Dixon 6-4, 205 Oregon 4
9 Josh Johnson 6-3, 198 San Diego 5
10 Matt Flynn 6-2, 228 LSU 5-6
11 Colt Brennan 6-3, 205 Hawaii 6
12 Sam Keller 6-3, 228 Nebraska 6
13 Bernard Morris 6-4, 212 Marshall 6
14 Paul Smith 6-1, 198 Tulsa 7

RUNNING BACKS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 *Darren McFadden 6-1, 211 Arkansas 1
2 *Rashard Mendenhall 5-11, 225 Illinois 1
3 *Jonathan Stewart 6-1, 230 Oregon 1
4 *Jamaal Charles 5-11,200 Texas 1-2
5 *Felix Jones 5-10, 207 Arkansas 1-2
6 Chris Johnson 5-11, 197 E Carolina 1-2
7 *Ray Rice 5-9, 195 Rutgers 2
8 *Kevin Smith 6-1, 217 Central Florida 2-3
9 Matt Forte 6-2, 217 Tulane 3
10 *Steve Slaton 5-10, 195 West Virginia 3
11 Mike Hart 5-9, 205 Michigan 3
12 Tashard Choice 5-11,215 Georgia Tech 4
13 Allen Patrick 6-1, 195 Oklahoma 4-5
14 Justin Forsett 5-8,194 California 4-5
15 Thomas Brown 5-9, 204 Georgia 5
16 Cory Boyd 6-0, 218 South Carolina 5-6

FULLBACKS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Owen Schmitt 6-2, 250 West Virginia 4
2 Peyton Hills 6-2, 242 Arkansas 5
3 Jacob Hester 5-11, 228 LSU 5
4 Jerome Felton 6-0, 246 Furman 6-7
5 Jed Collins 6-2, 254 Washington St. 6-7

WIDE RECEIVERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 *DeSean Jackson 5-10, 169 California 1
2 *Malcolm Kelly 6-4, 224 Oklahoma 1
3 Limas Sweed 6-4, 215 Texas 1
4 *James Hardy 6-6, 217 Indiana 1
5 Early Doucet 6-0, 209 LSU 1
6 Andre Caldwell 6-0, 204 Florida 1-2
7 *Devin Thomas 6-2, 215 Michigan St. 1-2
8 Eddie Royal 5-10, 184 Virginia Tech 2
9 *Mario Manningham 6-0, 181 Michigan 2
10 *Earl Bennett 6-0, 209 Vanderbilt 2-3
11 Donnie Avery 5-11, 192 Houston 3
12 Lavelle Hawkins 5-11, 186 California 3
13 Jordy Nelson 6-3, 215 Kansas St. 3
14 Jerome Simpson 5-11, 210 Coastal Carolina 4
15 D.J. Hall 6-2, 198 Alabama 4-5
16 Harry Douglas 5-11, 176 Louisville 5
17 Adarius Bowman 6-4, 220 Oklahoma State 5
18 Kevin Robinson 6-0, 202 Utah St. 5-6

TIGHT ENDS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Dustin Keller 6-2, 242 Purdue 2
2 Fred Davis 6-3, 255 USC 2
3 *Martellus Bennett 6-6, 259 Texas A&M 2
4 Brad Cottam 6-8, 271 Tennessee 2-3
5 *Jermichael Finley 6-5, 243 Texas 3
6 John Carlson 6-5, 251 Notre Dame 3
7 Kellen Davis 6-7, 262 Michigan St. 4
8 Martin Rucker 6-5, 248 Missouri 4-5
9 Jacob Tamme 6-3, 236 Kentucky 5-6
10 Darrell Strong 6-4, 268 Piitsburgh 6

OFFENSIVE TACKLES

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Jake Long 6-7, 313 Michigan 1
2 Chris Williams 6-6, 315 Vanderbilt 1
3 *Ryan Clady 6-6, 309 Boise State 1
4 Jeffrey Otah 6-6, 322 Pittsburgh 1
5 Anthony Collins 6-5, 317 Kansas 2
6 Sam Baker 6-5, 309 USC 2
7 Gosder Cherilus 6-7, 314 Boston College 2-3
8 Carl Nicks 6-5, 341 Nebraska 3
9 Oniel Cousins 6-4, 308 UTEP 3
10 John Greco 6-5, 305 Toledo 3-4
11 Heath Benedict 6-5, 326 Newberry 3-4
12 Tony Hills 6-6, 305 Texas 4-5
13 Jeremy Zuttah 6-4, 303 Rutgers 4-5
14 Duane Brown 6-4, 315 Virgina Tech 5-6

OFFENSIVE GUARDS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 *Branden Albert 6-6, 309 Virginia 2
2 Roy Schuening 6-4, 306 Oregon State 3
3 *Chilo Rachal 6-5, 315 USC 3-4
4 Mike McGlynn 6-4, 311 Pittsburgh 4
5 Eric Young 6-4, 308 Tennessee 4
6 Robert Felton 6-4, 315 Arkansas 4-5
7 Donald Thomas 6-4, 303 Connecticut 4-5
8 Chad Rinehart 6-5, 312 Northern Iowa 5
9 Drew Radovich 6-5, 301 USC 5-6
10 Chris McDuffie 6-4, 330 Clemson 6

CENTERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Mike Pollak 6-4, 301 Arizona State 2
2 Steve Justice 6-4, 293 Wake Forest 3
3 John Sullivan 6-4, 301 Notre Dame 3
4 Kory Lichtensteiger 6-2, 298 Bowling Green 3-4
5 Cody Wallace 6-4, 298 Texas A &M 4
6 Fernando Velasco 6-3, 318 Georgia 4-5
7 Doug Legursky 6-3, 312 Marshall 4-5
8 Jamey Richard 6-5, 295 Buffalo 5
9 Matt Spanos 6-5, 317 USC 6
10 Brennan Carvalho 6-1, 316 Portland St 6-7

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Greg,
Position rankings and projected draft round, from Draft.com

Defense and specialties

DEFENSIVE ENDS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Chris Long 6-3, 272 Virginia 1
2 *Vernon Gholston 6-3, 265 Ohio State 1
3 *Derrick Harvey 6-5, 271 Florida 1
4 Phillip Merling 6-4, 276 Clemson 1
5 *Calais Campbell 6-8, 290 Miami 2
6 Cliff Avril 6-3, 253 Purdue 3
7 Darrell Robertson 6-4, 255 Georgia Tech 2
8 Lawrence Jackson 6-4, 270 USC 2
9 Johnny Dingle 6-2, 265 West Virginia 3
10 Kendall Langford 6-6, 287 Hampton 3-4
11 Chris Ellis 6-4, 263 Virginia Tech 3-4
12 Jason Jones 6-5, 272 Eastern Michigan 4
13 Jeremy Thompson 6-5, 264 Wake Forest 4-5
14 Chris Harrington 6-5, 265 Texas A&M 5
15 Gilberry Wallace 6-2, 268 Alabama 5-6

DEFENSIVE TACKLES

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Sedrick Ellis 6-1, 308 USC 1
2 Glenn Dorsey 6-2, 297 LSU 1
3 Kentwan Balmer 6-5, 308 North Carolina 1-2
4 Trevor Laws 6-1, 304 Notre Dame 2
5 *Pat Sims 6-2, 310 Auburn 2
6 Dre Moore 6-4, 305 Maryland 2
7 Red Bryant 6-4, 318 Texas A&M 2-3
8 Ahtyba Rubin 6-3, 315 Iowa St. 3
9 DeMario Pressley 6-3, 300 North Carolina St. 4
10 Frank Okam 6-5, 347 Texas 4-5
11 Marcus Harrison 6-3, 317 Arkansas 5
12 Carlton Powell 6-2, 292 Virginia Tech 5-6

OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Keith Rivers 6-2, 240 USC 1
2 Quentin Groves 6-3, 259 Auburn 1
3 Xavier Adibi 6-2, 232 Virginia Tech 1-2
4 *Erin Henderson 6-3, 244 Maryland 2
5 Marcus Howard 6-1, 238 Georgia 2
6 Shawn Crable 6-5, 245 Michigan 2-3
7 Bruce Davis 6-3, 252 UCLA 3
8 Wesley Woodyard 6-1, 227 Kentucky 3-4
9 Ali Highsmith 6-0, 230 LSU 3-4
10 *Geno Hayes 6-1, 226 FSU 4
11 Ezra Butler 6-2, 245 Nevada 4
12 Bryan Kehl 6-2, 242 BYU 4-5
13 Stanford Keglar 6-2, 239 Purdue 4-5
14 Gary Guyton 6-2, 245 Georgia Tech 4-5

INSIDE LINEBACKERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Dan Connor 6-3, 232 Penn State 1
2 *Curtis Lofton 6-0, 246 Oklahoma 2
3 *Jerod Mayo 6-1, 242 Tennessee 2
4 Phillip Wheeler 6-2, 248 Georgia Tech 3
5 Tavares Gooden 6-1, 234 Miami 3
6 Beau Bell 6-1, 244 UNLV 3-4
7 Jonathan Goff 6-2, 245 Vanderbilt 3-4
8 Vince Hall 5-11, 232 Virginia Tech 4
9 Jo-Lonn Dunbar 6-1, 230 Boston College 4
10 Spencer Larsen 6-2, 238 Arizona 5

CORNERBACKS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Leodis McKelvin 5-11, 190 Troy 1
2 Mike Jenkins 5-11, 197 South Florida 1
3 D. Rodgers-Cromartie 6-2, 184 Tennessee St. 1
4 Antoine Cason 6-0, 190 Arizona 1
5 *Aqib Talib 6-1, 202 Kansas 1-2
6 *Brandon Flowers 5-10, 190 Virginia Tech 2
7 Tracy Porter 5-11, 188 Indiana 2-3
8 *Reggie Smith 6-1, 198 Oklahoma 2-3
9 Terrell Thomas 6-1, 202 USC 2-3
10 Charles Godfrey 6-0, 207 Iowa 3
11 Dwight Lowery 5-11, 200 San Jose St. 3
12 *Justin King 6-0, 200 Penn State 3-4
13 Patrick Lee 5-11, 192 Auburn 3-4
14 DeJuan Tribble 5-9, 190 Boston College 4
15 Chevis Jackson 6-0, 192 LSU 4
16 Trae Williams 5-10, 193 South Florida 4
17 Antwaun Molden 6-1, 198 Eastern Kentucky 4-5
18 Tyvon Branch 6-0, 204 Connecticut 4-5

SAFETY (FS/SS)

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 *Kenny Phillips 6-2, 212 Miami 1
2 *DeJuan Morgan 6-1, 195 North Carolina St. 2
3 Quintin Demps 6-0, 205 UTEP 2-3
4 Jamar Adams 6-2, 212 Michigan 3
5 Simeon Castille 6-1, 195 Alabama 3
6 Tom Zbikowski 5-11, 210 Notre Dame 3-4
7 Craig Steltz 6-2, 213 LSU 3-4
8 Marcus Griffin 5-11, 210 Texas 4
9 Josh Barrett 6-2, 225 Arizona St. 4
10 Jonathan Hefney 5-8, 190 Tennessee 4
11 D.J. Wolfe 5-11, 207 Oklahoma 4-5
12 Thomas DeCloud 6-2, 207 California 4-5
13 Jamie Silva 5-11, 205 Boston College 4-5
14 D.J. Parker 5-11, 192 Virginia Tech 5

KICKERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Art Carmody 5-9, 168 Louisville 6
2 Alexis Serna 5-6, 172 Oregon St. 7
3 Taylor Mehlhaff 5-10, 185 Wisconsin 7/FA
4 Brandon Couto 6-0, 188 Georgia 7/FA
5 Shane Longest 5-11, 176 St. Xavier 7/FA

PUNTERS

Rank Player Measurables College Proj Rnd
1 Durant Brooks 6-1, 202 Georgia Tech 5-6
2 Mike Dragosavich 6-5, 210 N D St. 6
3 Andrew Larson 6-1, 195 California 7
4 Brett Kern 6-3, 195 Toledo 7/FA
5 Owen Tolson 6-2, 200 Army FA

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

This is a very good break down of the WR draft class.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NFL&columnid=60&articleid=30054&pg=1

The 2008 receiver class doesn't have dominators like last year's version, but there's a lot of size at the top and some nice developmental athleticism to be had in later rounds. The puzzler is Mario Manningham. If Manningham had run even in the high 4.4s, he would've topped this list. Super Mario possesses rare second-gear explosiveness and still has a very good chance to be a starting caliber NFL player, but that lack of raw speed from Point A to Point B sends up a red flag. Will he be able to get free from better tackling cornerbacks with better technique?

Manningham took too many steps while running the forty. He looked like Fred Flinstone. It was almost as if he hadn't prepared and was all along just assuming he'd do well. Manningham should still go in the top three rounds, but would've had a much better chance to be a first-round draft choice if he had skipped the event altogether. No one could have guessed he'd run in the 4.60 range.

1. Limas Sweed, Texas

Height/Weight: 6'4/212
College Experience: Fifth-year senior
Combine Results: 4.46 forty, 35" vertical
Comparison: Herman Moore
Draft Projection: Late first to early second round
2007 Statistics: 19-306-16.1-3 Tds

Positives: Sweed does not drop passes he should catch, especially over his shoulder. He is a remarkably fluid athlete with near ideal top-end speed for his size. Sweed has an outstanding work ethic, on-field demeanor, and the confident swagger often found in "No. 1" receivers. He is not dominant over the middle, but understands how to avoid big hits. Sweed's arms measured the second longest at the Senior Bowl, behind only Adarius Bowman.

Negatives: Sweed's senior year ended after seven games due to wrist surgery. He also battled an ankle sprain during the season. Sweed aggravated the wrist injury at the Senior Bowl. He is considered a strong route runner, but could be more sudden out of his breaks. Sweed needs to improve his upper-body strength.

Verdict: Sweed's injury will likely keep him out of the top-15 picks in April, but he has the potential to be a Pro Bowl-caliber split end by year three. If Sweed can get his wrist straightened out, he should have no trouble being an above average to good rookie starter.

2. Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma

Height/Weight: 6'4/218
College Experience: Third-year junior
Combine Results: Did not participate (quadriceps/leg contusion)
Comparison: Taller T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Draft Projection: Late first to early second round
2007 Statistics: 49-821-16.8-9 Tds

Positives: Like Sweed, Kelly is a smooth athlete with sure hands and vertical ability. He is just as good as Sweed in the red zone, if not better. Kelly has big, strong hands and will win most jump balls. He's flashed being a power player and is difficult to bring down after the catch. Kelly was highly productive all three seasons at OU.

Negatives: Having played almost strictly split end in coach Bob Stoops' run-heavy attack, Kelly is somewhat inexperienced as a route runner. He was injured in both of the Sooners' last two Bowl games, raising questions about his big-game drive. Kelly needed surgery to repair a torn meniscus following OU's 2006 Fiesta Bowl loss to Boise State. His numbers dropped from his sophomore to junior year, though that was mostly due to his increased focus on downfield routes.

Verdict: Kelly's game will change as he makes the NFL leap. He will not be able to run away or separate from pro defensive backs as easily as he did in the Big 12. Kelly's combination of size and athleticism is similar to Sweed's, but he is less likely to make an immediate impact. In the long run, however, he could become a more complete player. Kelly is better suited for a West Coast offense.

3. James Hardy, Indiana

Height/Weight: 6'6/218
College Experience: Fourth-year junior
Combine Results: 4.47 forty, 18 X 225 lbs, 10.05' broad jump, 4.20 short shuttle
Comparison: Plaxico Burress
Draft Projection: Late first to early second round
2007 Statistics: 79-1125-14.2-16 Tds

Positives: From a scoring standpoint, Hardy is in a league of his own. He caught 191 balls, scored 36 touchdowns, and never averaged fewer than 14.2 yards per catch in three years at IU. He has adequate explosiveness and long speed for his size. Hardy started three games for the Hoosiers' hoops team as a redshirt in 2004, was runner-up Mr. Basketball in Indiana as a prep senior, and is a natural athlete. He is fearless over the middle and took games over as a collegiate.

Negatives: Hardy was suspended two games as a sophomore after being accused of battery by his girlfriend. While his speed numbers look good on paper, the vertical game isn't his bread and butter. Hardy isn't much of an after-the-catch threat and is considered an inconsistent route runner. He needs to polish the "little things" in his game, including his blocking.

Verdict: Speed and off-the-line explosion are always question marks for freakishly tall wideouts, and Hardy did his best to answer them with an impressive Combine. However, his weaknesses in two crucial areas for rookies (blocking and route running) could lead to his first season resembling Dwayne Jarrett's. Hardy is an excellent prospect for the future, but teams in need of immediate receiver help should look elsewhere.

4. Devin Thomas, Michigan State

Height/Weight: 6'2/217
College Experience: Fourth-year junior
Combine Results: 4.40 forty, 28" vertical, 10.06' broad jump
Comparison: Anquan Boldin
Draft Projection: Early to late second round
2007 Statistics: 79-1260-15.9-8 Tds, 27-177-6.6-0 Tds

Positives: While his timed speed is superior, Thomas is devastating after the catch like Anquan Boldin. He has an excellent build and strong, soft hands. Thomas is a gifted special teamer, having blocked punts at MSU and averaged 29.1 yards per kick return as a junior. He was the Spartans' only legitimate passing game weapon in 2007 and often carried the offense. Thomas is an instinctive wideout and plays with swagger.

Negatives: He had only one big season in the Big Ten and is raw as route runner, particularly in the downfield department. There is limited game film on Thomas and several of his big plays came after underneath throws. He'll need to refine the "little things" in his game to help a pro team as a rookie.

Verdict: While he may have been a first-round lock for the 2009 draft had he stayed in East Lansing another year, it's hard to knock Thomas for leaving early after a marvelous junior campaign. His postseason workouts have been phenomenal. Thomas is raw with kinks to work out, but won't have to be the focal point of his next offense. If an NFL team can take full advantage of Thomas' after-the-catch ability, he could emerge as the best receiver in the class when we re-evaluate in 2011.

5. Mario Manningham, Michigan

Height/Weight: 6'0/182
College Experience: Third-year junior
Combine Results: 4.59 forty, 16 X 225 lbs, 32" vertical
Comparison: Bernard Berrian
Draft Projection: Mid-second round to mid-third round
2007 Statistics: 72-1174-16.3-12 Tds, 19-120-6.3-0 Tds

Positives: Manningham consistently beat elite defensive backs down the field in college. He scored 27 times in three seasons at Michigan and plays taller than his size would indicate. Manningham runs sharp, sudden routes and delivers in big games. His ability to track balls thrown deep, turn on the jets, and "go get it" is unrivaled among receivers in the 2008 class.

Negatives: Manningham is small and isn't a physical, over-the-middle threat. He is considered a poor blocker despite three years of experience in coach Lloyd Carr's run-first offense. After proving himself one of the nation's top vertical weapons, Manningham ran a disturbingly slow forty at the Combine. He was suspended one game in 2007 for violating a team rule. Manningham underwent arthroscopic knee surgery in fall of 2006.

Verdict: Despite the sup-par forty, "Super Mario" is not a slow player. Bernard Berrian (see comparison) ran a 4.58 at the 2004 Combine and is one of the NFL's premier deep threats. However, that time combined with some off-field baggage and Manningham's reputation as a prima donna will likely cost him a spot in the first round. It doesn't mean he won't evolve into one of the league's better No. 2 receivers, of course.

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Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

6. Jordy Nelson, Kansas State

Height/Weight: 6'3/217
College Experience: Fifth-year senior
Combine Results: 4.49 forty, 31" vertical
Comparison: Ed McCaffrey
Draft Projection: Mid-second round to mid-third round
2007 Statistics: 122-1606-13.2-11 Tds, two passing TDs

Positives/Negatives: Nelson owned the Big 12 in just his third year at wide receiver. Recruited as a DB, he moved to wideout in his sophomore year and led the Wildcats in receiving all three seasons. A muscular specimen with arguably the surest hands in the nation, Nelson's route running is considered NFL ready and his blocking sound. While he isn't a true burner and will have difficulty separating from double teams in the NFL, Nelson is a hard worker and still improving. He is experienced on special teams as an annual member of the K-State "hands team." Nelson also blocked punts in college and made several tackles in kickoff coverage. He caught five punts in 2007, averaging 52.8 yards per return and running back two for scores.

Verdict: Nelson may be more of a possession weapon at the next level, but he's just beginning to hit his stride as a receiver. He ate up likely first-round CB Aqib Talib for 10 catches, 137 yards, and a touchdown in an October meeting with Kansas. Nelson isn't the best athlete in his class, but possesses every trait West Coast offenses value in a flanker.

7. Earl Bennett, Vanderbilt

Height/Weight: 5'11/209
College Experience: Third-year junior
Combine Results: 4.48 forty, 15 X 225 lbs, 4.22 short shuttle
Comparison: Jerricho Cotchery
Draft Projection: Early second round to early third round
2007 Statistics: 75-830-11.1-5 Tds, 10-22-2.2-0 Tds

Positives/Negatives: A physical wideout, Bennett has excelled against all brands of coverage. He was extremely productive all three years at Vandy, setting the all-time SEC record for receptions despite leaving school early. As a freshman with then-senior Jay Cutler, Bennett showed the ability to carry a passing game on his back. He is considered well rounded as a run blocker and route runner. However, Bennett lacks game-changing speed and quickness and worked primarily from the slot in college.

Verdict: In a wideout class brimming with boom-or-bust prospects, Bennett stands out as a safe bet to at worst be a solid pro. He's expressed a desire to be a slot receiver at the next level, and that may be the best position for him initially. In the long run, though, he will likely become an above average starting flanker.

8. DeSean Jackson, California

Height/Weight: 5'9/169
College Experience: Third-year junior
Combine Results: 4.35 forty, 10' broad jump
Comparison: Dennis Northcutt
Draft Projection: Late first to mid-second round
2007 Statistics: 65-762-11.7-6 Tds, 11-132-12.0-1 Td

Positives/Negatives: Jackson has a reputation for not liking the weight room. He measured in at the Combine three inches shorter and five pounds lighter than his college listing. While it can partially be attributed to shaky quarterback play, he put up relatively poor numbers as a receiver in 2007. Jackson has exceptional explosiveness and quickness and is an NFL-ready returner, but may struggle to beat coverage outside as a rookie. Jackson has been known to drop passes that hit him in the hands. He is considered a poor blocker.

Verdict: The cat is out of the bag on Jackson's height and there's nothing he can do about it now. But his lack of weight-room work ethic and unwillingness to get physical makes him a risky draft choice, especially in round one. It's scary to think what might happen if he is asked to go over the middle in the NFL. There is seemingly a good chance that Jackson will only have return value in the pros, ala Desmond Howard.

9. Early Doucet, LSU

Height/Weight: 6'0/211
College Experience: Fourth-year senior
Combine Results: Did not participate (hamstring)
Comparison: Marty Booker
Draft Projection: Early second round to mid-third round
2007 Statistics: 57-525-9.2-5 Tds

Positives/Negatives: Doucet sat out five games in 2007 with a groin pull and has missed virtually all the pre-draft events due to a lingering lower-body injury. He's had hamstring issues dating back to high school. Doucet doesn't possess blazing speed, but is quick enough to consistently get open. He is also considered a fundamentally sound blocker and learned to run all the routes at LSU. However, Doucet is coming off an injury plagued year and is still hurt. He also didn't display the same kind of explosiveness when healthy in 2007 that he did as a third receiver alongside Dwayne Bowe and Craig Davis.

Verdict: It's clear that Doucet isn't going to be a No. 1 receiver in the NFL, but he has the makings of an outstanding slot man and average to above average possession No. 2 threat that can help out on returns in a pinch. He's a big name, played at an elite university, and is a bit overrated, but Doucet should have a long, respectable career in the league.

10. Andre Caldwell, Florida

Height/Weight: 6'1/209
College Experience: Fifth-year senior
Combine Results: 4.37 forty, 10.04' broad jump, 4.11 short shuttle
Comparison: Bryant Johnson
Draft Projection: Mid-second round to mid-third round
2007 Statistics: 56-761-13.6-7 Tds, 12-58-4.8-Td

Positives/Negatives: While smaller, Caldwell is ripped like Terrell Owens. He's had the best offseason of any draft-eligible receiver, from torching Boston College CB DeJuan Tribble during Senior Week practices to testing very well at the Combine. Caldwell missed two games as a senior with a sprained MCL and broke his leg in 2005, leading to a medical redshirt. Durability is certainly a concern. But Caldwell is considered a superb blocker and fine route runner. He has an impressive blend of quickness and speed. He is also sure handed and an aggressive player in all areas. Still, Caldwell's physical skills aren't apparent in his college production.

Verdict: Among this year's receivers, Caldwell appears to have the best chance of being a better pro than he was a collegiate. In terms of tools, he's a borderline first-round prospect and light years ahead of his brother Reche, a former second-round pick. Because of his injury-marred past, drafting Caldwell any higher than the third round will be a risk. But if he can put his ailments behind him, there's reason to believe Caldwell can be a No. 2 and borderline No. 1 receiver in time.

11. Lavelle Hawkins, California
12. Eddie Royal, Virginia Tech
13. Keenan Burton, Kentucky
14. Harry Douglas, Louisville
15. D.J. Hall, Alabama

Other WRs with a Good Shot to be Drafted: Adarius Bowman (Oklahoma State), Adrian Arrington (Michigan), Mario Urrutia (Louisville), Dexter Jackson (Appalachian State), Kenneth Moore (Wake Forest), Donnie Avery (Houston), Will Franklin (Missouri), Pierre Garcon (Mount Union), Jerome Simpson (Coastal Carolina), Dorien Bryant and Selwyn Lymon (Purdue), Paul Hubbard (Wisconsin), Steve Johnson (Kentucky), Arman Shields (Richmond), Josh Morgan (Virginia Tech), Marcus Monk (Arkansas), Darius Reynaud (West Virginia), Ryan Grice-Mullen (Hawaii), Maurice Purify (Nebraska), Daniel Amendola (Texas Tech), Jamar Johnson (Jackson State)

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

6. Jordy Nelson, Kansas State

Height/Weight: 6'3/217
College Experience: Fifth-year senior
Combine Results: 4.49 forty, 31" vertical
Comparison: Ed McCaffrey
Draft Projection: Mid-second round to mid-third round
2007 Statistics: 122-1606-13.2-11 Tds, two passing TDs

Positives/Negatives: Nelson owned the Big 12 in just his third year at wide receiver. Recruited as a DB, he moved to wideout in his sophomore year and led the Wildcats in receiving all three seasons. A muscular specimen with arguably the surest hands in the nation, Nelson's route running is considered NFL ready and his blocking sound. While he isn't a true burner and will have difficulty separating from double teams in the NFL, Nelson is a hard worker and still improving. He is experienced on special teams as an annual member of the K-State "hands team." Nelson also blocked punts in college and made several tackles in kickoff coverage. He caught five punts in 2007, averaging 52.8 yards per return and running back two for scores.

Verdict: Nelson may be more of a possession weapon at the next level, but he's just beginning to hit his stride as a receiver. He ate up likely first-round CB Aqib Talib for 10 catches, 137 yards, and a touchdown in an October meeting with Kansas. Nelson isn't the best athlete in his class, but possesses every trait West Coast offenses value in a flanker.

I love this guy Greg and I have been pushing him for weeks this just proves to me we should draft him in the 2nd round.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

* NON FUBBALL RELATED POST *

There is a proposed RI (ish) get-together in Arlington on Sunday 4/13 to watch the Arsenal vs. Man United EPL game.

Anyone interested in attending to watch the footy, discuss fubball, and maybe even jibba-jabba a little can email me at:

usredcoat at gmail dot com

That is all.

* END OF NON-FUBBALL POST *

Posted by: Redcoat | March 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the draft.com projections, looks like the skins would get good value drafting a CB or WR in the first round. The only DT that gets a round 1 grade is Balmer and he may be a reach at 1. At DE Merling should be there, but most likely gone by 21. The skins could go OT but likely will be drafting a ROT, and they have Heyer who played well last year.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

marl, thanks for the update. Makes me hope that the Redskins have a deal in place to trade back out of the first round. Give me Devin Thomas, or Jordy Nelson in the second round. Vinny, you listening....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Greg I'm with ya.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I am starting to jump on the trade out of the 1st round bandwagon, this draft seems deep in most of the areas of need for the Skins. I would atleast want a second and third to do it though.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

so is poolman finally gone forever? i noticed his posts have been yanked. if so, thankyou whoever is responsible.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 14, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Seth,

He will just register under a different name, he is an idiot.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Redskins | Ayers to work out for team
Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:42:53 -0700

Jon Krabil, of Sterling Sports Management, reports Boston College P Johnny Ayers will work out for the Washington Redskins Friday, April 4.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 14, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Redskins | Ayers to work out for team
Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:42:53 -0700

Jon Krabil, of Sterling Sports Management, reports Boston College P Johnny Ayers will work out for the Washington Redskins Friday, April 4.


Posted by: skinfanman | March 14, 2008 10:39 AM

Good we need a new punter.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the draft.com projections, looks like the skins would get good value drafting a CB or WR in the first round. The only DT that gets a round 1 grade is Balmer and he may be a reach at 1. At DE Merling should be there, but most likely gone by 21. The skins could go OT but likely will be drafting a ROT, and they have Heyer who played well last year.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:19 AM

Wondering how much of a reach Trevor Laws would be at 21.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 14, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I think we need a DE before we worry about DT.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman from what I've been reading Laws is a mid 2nd round pick. The skins really need a high 2nd round pick as well this year.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Looking at where some players are projected to be selected, the Redskins could be in a bit of a pickle depending on who is still on the board. If Merling is off the board, I don't see another DE that would be worth that pick(Assuming Long/Gholston/Harvey) are gone. There doesn't seem to be a DT who will still be on the board worth the 21st pick. They didn't assign a single guard a first round grade. The Redskins could look at a tackle in the first round. Did Heyer play Guard at all last year?

Here is my dream draft:
Trade back and pick up a #2, and a #3.

2. Devin Thomas/Jordy Nelson
2. Kentwan Balmer/Brandon Albert
3. Carl Nicks/Cialis Campbell
3. Roy Scheuning/Jason Jones
3. Chilo Rachal/Charles Godfrey

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Who's Jason Jones?

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4,

i don't think he's smart enough to figure out how to do that.

Back to football, i like this Jordy Nelson guy. I have seen mocks where he goes to us in the third. However, judging by what i'm reading here, i really think he'll be taken before then.

I really hope we somehow find a way to trade down out of the first round. This draft seems weak in first round talent at the positions we need, but there is alot of great depth in rounds 2 through 4.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

marl, cat from eastern mich, ran like a 4.7 40, had a similar time in the first 10 yards to McFadden.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Bryant Johnson just agreed to sign with the 49ers....

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Some things will never go away even if you dislike it. LOL, LOL

Posted by: freedomofspeech | March 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Some things will never go away even if you dislike it. LOL, LOL

Posted by: freedomofspeech | March 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Some things will never go away even if you dislike it. LOL, LOL

Posted by: freedomofspeech | March 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

ita time...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Hons,

I tink dat Balmer guy is destined for da Ravens.

Rosie from Dundalk

Posted by: Markin21132 | March 14, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey Hons,

I tink dat Balmer guy is destined for da Ravens.

Rosie from Dundalk

Posted by: Markin21132 | March 14, 2008 11:20 AM

We need to work on getting this removed... ASAP.

Posted by: sams3 | March 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"Here's how Auburn players who participated in Monday's Pro Day fared:

TE Cole Bennett (6-4 ¾, 255 pounds)
Vertical leap: 29.5 feet
Long jumps: 9 feet, 11 inches and 10-2
Bench press: 225 pounds at 23 reps
40-yard dash times: 4.77 and 4.54 seconds
Short-shuttle 3-cone time: 7.46 seconds."

The Redskins need to do whatever is necessary to draft this guy. Any player with a vertical leap of 29.5 feet is a definite game-changer!

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

CB/KR Brian Witherspoon (5-10 3/8,. 175): This prospect from Stillman College in Tuscaloosa, Ala., was invited to take part in workouts -- he has great numbers but no football experience. He ran the 40 in 4.33 and 4.29, had a 40--inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 10-inch long jump, 4.36 short shuttle, 6.86 cone drill, and ran position drills for cornerback and kick returns.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 09:36 AM

Someone needs to teach this guy the fine points of playing CB.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

sams - what is wrong with that comment from Mark (of the future)?

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember how San Diego moved up in last year's draft to grab S Eric Weddle early in the 2nd round? Same thing could happen with Jordy Nelson this year.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

sams - what is wrong with that comment from Mark (of the future)?

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:39 AM

It's filled with nonsense. Is it supposed to be a joke?

Posted by: sams3 | March 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember how San Diego moved up in last year's draft to grab S Eric Weddle early in the 2nd round? Same thing could happen with Jordy Nelson this year.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:43 AM

I just hope the Redskins don't waste a pick doing this. I still regret the pick we gave away to move up and draft Rocky MacIntosh. On the other hand, the pick we gave to get Cooley was brilliant. Win some, lose some, I guess.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I guess nonsense, like humor and beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. In my eye, Mark (of the future) has never written a word of nonsense on RI. I've certainly written a lot, myself, but Mark of the future never.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It's filled with nonsense. Is it supposed to be a joke?

Posted by: sams3 | March 14, 2008 11:45 AM

It seems like Mark was making light of the fact that Balmer's name is pronounced similarly to the way our neighbors in the next city to the north pronounce "Baltimore". Re-read the original comment and imagine hearing it on a sports call-in show.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

As Mark (from the Future) lives up in the hinterlands of MD, I just took it as the joke it was meant to be.

The ridiculous posting of 'poolguy/freedomof...' seems to have made people a little touchy on here.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

RC,

I read your first post. Are you doing 4 courts or Summers?

Posted by: Skinz | March 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think we need a DE before we worry about DT.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 10:45 AM

It seems like DEs are a lot harder to judge than DTs. If they're too big it's doubtful they're quick enough to get to the QB.

Like the Giants and Bucs, you want 8 DLmen to rotate during a game. The Skins should draft a DT and a DE this year to add to the mix. And maybe do the same again next year. Whoever they see is the surest bet to be a contributor is who they should pick first, methinks.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 14, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering when we are going to get some hot new "insider information" from Poolguy. That last bit didn't seem to work out too well, though.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Are you doing 4 courts or Summers?

Posted by: Skinz | March 14, 2008 12:04 PM

Summers, email me so we can take offline Skinz.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 14, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The DT/DE Rotation is currently - Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Chris Wilson, Demetric Evans at DE; Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, Cornelius Griffin, Ryan Boschetti at DT; plus Lorenzo Alexander at All-World, plus recent roster adds of DEs Alex Buzbee, Tommy Davis, and Kevin Huntley. Griffin and Daniels each have maybe one year left. There was talk of Daniels moving inside to rush, so DE looks like the key position on the DL to improve through the draft.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering when we are going to get some hot new "insider information" from Poolguy.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 12:07 PM

Poolguy has been doing as well lately as the Jasons. Most of what we've been getting from them has appeared first on the Examiner or the Times website or a Vinnie radio show. Not a single insider tidbit about Hackett -- what did we offer and what was he asking?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

NFL Draft:

Redskins need someone to back up FB Mike Sellers. How about TE Kolo Kapanui, 6'3" 268 lbs? He can block, catch, and the Redskins can probably take him in the 7th round.

Hey Vinnie, listen up dude.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Down goes Merling

SI.com reports Clemson DE Phillip Merling underwent surgery to repair a sports hernia this week.

Merling, a base 4-3 end, sat out the Combine and will now miss his Pro Day. He was projected as high as the top 15 before the injury. Hernias tend to linger, even after they're surgically repaired, and there's no timetable for Merling to be ready to play. He may not be going in round one any longer. Mar. 14 - 11:36 am et
Source: SI.com

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

How about TE Kolo Kapanui, 6'3" 268 lbs? He can block, catch, and the Redskins can probably take him in the 7th round.

Hey Vinnie, listen up dude.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 14, 2008 12:30 PM

I'd love to hear the press conference the day after the draft.

Jasno asks "Vinnie, why did you take Kolo Kapanui in the seventh round?"

Vinnie answers, "You know, we had a defensive end, Molo Mapanui, rated as a fourth rounder, and he was still on the board. Dan wanted to take Molo, but I talked him out of it. I told him, 'We have to listen to rb-freedom-for-all, who told me to take Kolo. Ordinarily, I like to trust our well-paid scouting staff, but there is just something this guy's post on RI that I just couldn't ignore: Kolo can block and catch.'"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

If they were to trade down, how about getting that DT Simms from Auburn. He sounds like a player. Probably needs a bit of Blache "love" but sounds like he has the tools. An explosive DT who can collapse the pocket - you can never have enough of those.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | March 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe nobody is talking about Dorien Bryant. I'm not suggesting him for this team because he's small and resembles a mix between Santana and Randle El, but he is amazing. He single handedly won games for Purdue and is a very good kick returner.

#9 Dorien Bryant | WR Roster: Select Player K. Adams R. Adams A. Allison J. Armstrong C. Avril C. Ayers R. Baker K. Ballinger D. Barry J. Benjamin C. Bennett D. Benson C. Benton D. Bick G. Bright K. Brown D. Bryant D. Camacho P. Carroll B. Champoux C. Chapman M. Conway J. Crank A. Deeds D. Dierking T. Dougherty I. Duncan F. Duong M. Durrett N. Durrett J. Elliott B. Ellis B. Erwin J. Ferguson J. Finch N. Golding G. Gooden P. Graham W. Gravesande D. Greaves K. Green J. Grimes J. Guynn F. Halliburton M. Harris T. Haston E. Hedstrom A. Heygood W. Higbee J. Holland E. Hood A. Huffman J. Humphrey J. Jones Z. Jones J. Kacinko S. Keglar D. Keller R. Kerrigan B. King T. Kinzer A. Lane K. Lichtenberg J. Lindsay J. Lindsey L. Link P. Long S. Lymon A. Magee E. Marshall F. Martin D. Mason R. McBean M. McDonald C. McKey J. McKinley B. McKnight G. Miller N. Mondek A. Moret D. Muhammad M. Neal P. Numa G. Orton C. Painter J. Panfil J. Patton D. Pender J. Pierce R. Powell R. Prater A. Quintana Z. Reckman B. Riggins J. Scott S. Sester K. Sheets J. Shepherd D. Sherman J. Siller K. Smith Z. Smith K. Staats J. Standeford T. Stark C. Summers J. Swank M. Swope D. Tardy J. Taylor M. Thompson N. Tull T. Vinson J. Wasikowski J. Werner J. Whitest B. Whittington B. Williams C. Williams D. Williams J. Williams T. Williams A. Wolf D. Zaleski P. Zavagnin J. Zwilling

Full Name: Dorien Bryant
Born: March 19, 1985
Hometown: Swedesboro, NJ
Height: 5-10
Weight: 175 lbs. Age: 22
Pos: WR
Class: Senior

REC 87 | YDS 936 | TD 8
Profile Stats Game Log


Stat Overview Receiving Rushing Fumbles
YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 38 584 15.4 65 3 7 85 12.1 62 1 0 0
2005 80 960 12.0 44 4 21 101 4.8 24 3 0 0
2006 87 1068 12.3 53 6 19 150 7.9 33 2 0 0
2007 87 936 10.8 53 8 14 85 6.1 39 0 0 0

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about all the other bs that got posted

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

BINGER!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | March 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This is probably a good reason that no one is talking about Dorien Bryant.

"Redskins coach Jim Zorn explains why he likes big receivers: 'When you run slants and things like that, you like to be big enough to where you can take a pounding. [When] you're running inside on curl routes and crossing routes, you like to have a bigger target.'"

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I do think these guys from that list would fit in well with our new team:


Z. Jones Z. Reckman Z. Smith D. Zaleski P. Zavagnin J. Zwilling

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 14, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

This is probably a good reason that no one is talking about Dorien Bryant.

"Redskins coach Jim Zorn explains why he likes big receivers: 'When you run slants and things like that, you like to be big enough to where you can take a pounding. [When] you're running inside on curl routes and crossing routes, you like to have a bigger target.'"

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 12:54 PM

Read the ENTIRE post. I said NOT for THIS TEAM.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we sould then make some people happy and change our name from the Redskins to the Z's

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

-could-

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

tafka, the lack of interest in Dorien Bryant may also be due to that creepy picture of himself which hangs in his locker.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

PFT.com
FRIDAY AFTERNOON ONE-LINERS
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 14, 2008, 12:40 p.m.
The Cowboys have asked some of the top cornerback prospects in this year's draft to visit team headquarters for interviews and physicals.

Seattle seems like a better situation for RB Julius Jones than Dallas was.

The president of Major League Baseball's St. Louis Cardinals has been hired to oversee construction of the new stadium at the Meadowlands.

Giants GM Jerry Reese says free agent signing Danny Clark can play all three linebacker positions and contribute on special teams.

WR Troy Brown, who has been told he's not in the Patriots' plans, has drawn interest from the Browns and Lions.

The Ravens have agreed to terms with LB Nick Greisen.

Redskins coach Jim Zorn explains why he likes big receivers: "When you run slants and things like that, you like to be big enough to where you can take a pounding. [When] you're running inside on curl routes and crossing routes, you like to have a bigger target."

The departures of Kevin Jones and Kalimba Edwards means two more Lions first-day draft picks can be declared disappointments.

Bengals linebacker Dhani Jones earned an additional $207,000 in performance-based pay.

The Bears are looking to hire an advertising agency.

The Browns could be interested in signing free agent DE Kalimba Edwards.

Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is in Alaska participating in a sled dog race.

RB Ron Dayne, who led the Texans in rushing the last two years, won't return to Houston for the 2008 season.

The Panthers have announced a 4.5 percent increase in ticket prices.

Restricted free agent C Chris Myers says he's listening to offers but "I don't want to leave Denver."

After signing with the Buccaneers Thursday, Marques Douglas said he expects to play defensive end on first and second downs and tackle on third downs.

Free agent C Jeremy Newberry wants to stay in Oakland but hasn't received an offer from the Raiders.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Dorian Gray, Nate?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we sould then make some people happy and change our name from the Redskins to the Z's

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 01:08 PM

That's cra Z talk.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we sould then make some people happy and change our name from the Redskins to the Z's

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 01:08 PM

That's cra Z talk.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 14, 2008 01:16 PM

It would be kinda zany.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

DAMN IT

49ERS SIGN BRYANT JOHNSON
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 14, 2008, 1:02 p.m.
Michael Smith of ESPN.com is reporting that free agent wide receiver Bryant Johnson has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with the San Francisco 49ers.

The salary and other terms of the deal have not been reported. The 49ers reportedly don't view Johnson as a No. 1 receiver but instead expect him to fight for playing time with the other receivers on the roster, including Isaac Bruce, Darrell Jackson, Arnaz Battle, Ashley Lelie and Jason Hill.

Johnson was the Cardinals' first-round draft pick in 2003, and has spent his entire career with the Cardinals, mostly as the third receiver behind Larry Fitzgerald and Anquon Boldin. Last season, he had 46 receptions for 528 yards and two touchdowns.

Johnson has played 77 games in his five-year career and started 39.

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | March 14, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Two possible reasons for Dorien Bryant not getting much notice -
1) Pled guilty to disorderly conduct stemming from Jan '06 early morning fight at apartment complex. Received one year probation, five days of road crew work; paid restitution to victim; 2) Senior Bowl Game Review - Falling: The ugly weather and athletic defensive backs of the South defense certainly played their roles in a game in which passers struggled to get on track, but poor route-running also contributed to a relatively low-scoring Senior Bowl. Bryant, characterized throughout his career as a very good route-runner, showed very little explosion coming out of his breaks in this game, giving cornerbacks an advantage.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The Merling thing is kind of a double edged sword.

On one hand, as minor as I believe this surgery to be, and I could be wrong about that, but as minor as this is, it will cause him to fall a few spots.

All things being equal, put me down as wanting out of the first round completely. If the Redskins can pick 5 times in the first 3 rounds, thats a good thing.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You all are NUTZ

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | March 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

so, do we all agree that rb-freedom-for-all is the less inflammatory (but equally retarted) alter-ego of freedomofspeech, the racist mental patient formally known as poolman?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Markin21132 | March 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I like this game

Posted by: johndinhouston | March 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Two possible reasons for Dorien Bryant not getting much notice -
1) Pled guilty to disorderly conduct stemming from Jan '06 early morning fight at apartment complex. Received one year probation, five days of road crew work; paid restitution to victim; 2) Senior Bowl Game Review - Falling: The ugly weather and athletic defensive backs of the South defense certainly played their roles in a game in which passers struggled to get on track, but poor route-running also contributed to a relatively low-scoring Senior Bowl. Bryant, characterized throughout his career as a very good route-runner, showed very little explosion coming out of his breaks in this game, giving cornerbacks an advantage.

Posted by: tafka | March 14, 2008 01:31 PM

That's an argument I can buy. I don't put so much stock in the Senior Bowl myself (although I believe it has some value). I watched a lot of Purdue football this past season and he torched some very good defensive teams. Granted, Purdue has a pass first offense that puts up huge passing numbers, but they do it in the Big Ten which is usually very good defensively.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

tafka, the lack of interest in Dorien Bryant may also be due to that creepy picture of himself which hangs in his locker.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 14, 2008 01:09 PM

Inspired Nate, inspired.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins coach Jim Zorn explains why he likes big receivers: "When you run slants and things like that, you like to be big enough to where you can take a pounding. [When] you're running inside on curl routes and crossing routes, you like to have a bigger target.""

Wasn't Wes Welker the best slot-man, inside route-runner in the league last year. That's why I don't get this fascination with big receivers. Yes, obviously if you have two guys with the same skill sets and one is bigger than the other, you'd rather have the big guy. But this whole "we need a big receiver" thing is completely overrated. If he wants to upgrade at WR, that's one thing. If he wants to upgrade for a possession WR, that's fine as well. But to single-out a size requirement for a WR is completely ludicrous.

Mike Williams is a talented, former top 10 pick with HUGE size. I hear he's available....Nonsense.

Posted by: psps23 | March 14, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's look back a year at RI 1.0 on March 14, 2007. Jasno posted 5 threads and moral was high for Laron Landry. Sean Taylor was still alive and the Giants hadn't won a Super Bowl in decades.

Best entry from a year ago:

__________________________

This blog is Shabingufied (how many TCCLs for that usage?)

Posted by: PDSquared | March 14, 2007 01:33 PM
_________________________

I miss TCCLs.

Posted by: Dorf | March 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

what are TCCLs anyway. i was always irritated everyone kept mentioning them but never saw an explaination.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't get certain media outlets. USA Today has a 'mock draft' on its website. One of the people participating has the Bears taking Joe Flacco at #14, and not one, but TWO guys have the Redskins taking Cialis Campbell at #21. Do these guys live in a cave?? Do they do ANY research??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | March 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Cialis Campbell at #21. Do these guys live in a cave?? Do they do ANY research??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 01:58 PM

Cialis Campbell? The dude with the four-hour erection? No wonder he ran a slow 40.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Is there an RI bracket this year? How does a certain middle school teacher with a diminutive User ID handle get involved?

I came in 4th last year, I want #1!

Posted by: Dorf | March 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Bryant Johnson just signed a one year deal with the 49ers. You telling me we couldn't have signed him to a one year deal?

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | March 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, when you get a chance, hit me at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bryant Johnson just signed a one year deal with the 49ers. You telling me we couldn't have signed him to a one year deal?

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | March 14, 2008 02:06 PM

No. We're not telling you that, at all. We're telling you that we didn't want to sign him to a one-year deal. Big difference.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

a one-year deal worked wonders for randy moss. i'm just sayin' is all i'm sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | March 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Bryant Johnson just signed a one year deal a one-year deal worked wonders for randy moss. i'm just sayin' is all i'm sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | March 14, 2008 02:15 PM

Bryant Johnson is no Randy Moss. We didn't have Bryant Johnson in for a reason. We don't want Bryant Johnson. We're looking at other receivers is all i'm sayin'...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

IF I were the skins, I wouldn't want to sign any FA to a one year deal at the WR position. That's not a solution to their problem. It helps the player most of the time because they play the guts out in hopes of a bigger contract the following year.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Wes Welker the best slot-man, inside route-runner in the league last year

This might have had to do with Randy Moss and Tom Brady, more so, than Wes Welker.

I mean, Moss is just the best receiver in the league, and Brady is just the best qb in the league, and Welker, he was something less than average in his career up to the point of coming to the Pats.

I'm just saying.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Tab Perry

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 14, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think this is the second time you've brought him up, what gives? What has he done in his career?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Wes Welker the best slot-man, inside route-runner in the league last year

This might have had to do with Randy Moss and Tom Brady, more so, than Wes Welker.

I mean, Moss is just the best receiver in the league, and Brady is just the best qb in the league, and Welker, he was something less than average in his career up to the point of coming to the Pats.

I'm just saying.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 02:26 PM

I mean Brady never came close to those numbers early in his career, and Moss was completely average for years in Oakland, could Welker's talents have contributed to their success?

All I'm sayin' is I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: psps23 | March 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Tab Perry had one catch for seven yards last year. Are you serious?

Full Name: Tab Wilson Perry
Born: January 20, 1982
Milpitas, CA
Height: 6-3
Weight: 208 lbs. Age: 26
Pos: WR
Experience: 3 years
College: UCLA
Drafted: Year:2005 Round:6 Pick:16, Bengals FANTASY
Percent Owned: (Week +/-):
NFL: 0.1% (0.0%)
Avg. Draft Position:
NFL: Undrafted

REC 5 | YDS 81 | TD 0
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2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 59 | Key
Alert: E

Comment: Perry is big, athletic and versatile. He excelled on kickoff returns and kick cover teams in 2005. He has good play strength and above-average catching skills. He is a willing run blocker and has the size to be effective on the perimeter. But Perry can be inconsistent. He is a raw route runner who needs refinement and technique work. He builds up to a decent top-end speed but doesn't play very fast. He is a backup and valuable special teams contributor who has upside on offense.

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Jibba jabba.

Beer post.

Picked up a six-pack of BrouCzech Dark at Trader Joe's earlier this week. It's awesome. I knew nothing about it, but it looked intriguing. It's a porter, very smooth, not bitter, with a hint of chocolate at the end. Tastes best when it's in the mid-50 degree range.

I've still got four bottles left, but I'm going to pick up some more tonight anyway.

They had 2 or 3 other varieties of BrouCzech, so I'll evaluate those in due course.

Anyway, there you go. BrouCzech Dark.

Posted by: freakzilla | March 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep.

Posted by: freakzilla | March 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

psp, are you serious? Yeah, Wes Welker made Tom Brady. Thats a little bit of a stretch.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

4th, I think this is the second time you've brought him up, what gives? What has he done in his career?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 14, 2008 02:30 PM

Tab Perry had one catch for seven yards last year. Are you serious?

Posted by: marlonjohn | March 14, 2008 02:44 PM

He has nothing but upside. He can replace Thrash and develop into a #2, or atleast #3 WR. He is basically the same person as Anthony Nix(Only 3 receptions in his career). I don't see anyone bashing him........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: johndinhouston | March 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I've still got four bottles left,

Posted by: freakzilla | March 14, 2008 02:46 PM

'zilla, I was thinking everything made sense until I read this. Four bottles left? Out of six? Man, this is seriously bad suds if you left four in the fridge.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Mark, thanks for the memories! Hail!!

Posted by: danieljsmilack | March 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mark, for holding down the fort (while you were injured) so that Jason Campbell could begin taking some reps and learn how to slide!

Posted by: Xlnt | March 15, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

you can not blame MB for making all that money with the skins. after all gibbs gave it to him.

Posted by: rls1041 | March 16, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

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