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Caldwell, Meeks Will Interview

Jason Reid just phoned in a little coaching news:

The Washington Redskins will interview Indianapolis Colts assistant coaches Jim Caldwell and Ron Meeks for their head coaching vacancy, possibly as early as Tuesday. Colts president Bill Polian confirmed today that the Redskins have asked for and were granted permission to interview both of Coach Tony Dungy's top assistants.

Redskins assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams remains the leading candidate to replace the retired Joe Gibbs.

Meeks and Caldwell are considered future head coaches and interviewing them would satisfy the NFL's Rooney Rule, which mandates that teams conducting head coaching searches must interview minority candidates.

Meeks, the Colts' defensive coordinator, and Caldwell, who coaches Indianapolis's quarterbacks, would be candidates to replace Dungy, who reportedly is contemplating retirement.

The Redskins hope to move swiftly in the process, according to multiple league sources. And numerous league sources and agents have said that they believe Williams will get the job.

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  January 14, 2008; 4:03 PM ET
 
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Posted by: pspe23 | January 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JoeyV | January 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

makes sense and fits in well with the redskins need to comply with the rooney while balancing the desire to maintain some continuity. . .

works well for both meeks and caldwell as both want to be perceived at having other options and I guess neither would likely want to interview solely to meet the rooney reqmnt. . .

this seems to be working out as best as it could for the redskins, so far . . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Interviewing almost done... GG will be the new Head Coach by weeks end.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's get Meeks, Caldwell interviewed quickly and then award the job to Gregg Williams. I am curious to know what alterations Williams would want to make to the offensive staff.

Posted by: gilk | January 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

BTW, landed in SD as that game wound down yesterday and people here are, rightly so, going nuts for their chargers. . .

guess we'll be piling on the danny big time, if norv pulls off the upset of all upsets, huh ?!?

after all the guy used to coach in DC . . .

wierd/interesting to reflect on what could have been if it does happen. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 14, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Scwartz the coordinator for Tennessee? If so, they can't bring him in as coordinator under Williams because it's a lateral move and he's under contract.


Posted by: LiberalMike | January 14, 2008 11:10 AM

What if they gave him the title of Assistant Head Coach - Defense?


Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, washingtonpost.com Sports Editor!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan, why would Danny get piled on? What did Norv do when he was here that gave any indication that he is a good coach? Not to mention he took over a 14-2 team from last year, and coached them to what, 9-7 this year?

Sorry, one playoff victory does not a good coach make.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

From last post:

Nate Dog, first, and no one seems to want to answer this but, where in the hell is Warren G? 2nd, you asked earlier what someone had against the Chargers. Here's what I have against them:
Norv.

I don't want a team to be rewarded for completely screwing the pooch. They're giant clusterhump of firing marty/panic hire of a pushover coach who won't talk back to an arrogant GM was absurd.

They deserved a 4-12 season like we had to endure under norv 'you can't fault the effort' turner. Screw that guy in the ear with an iron stick and a running start.

I hate it when teams make terrible decisions and still do well (like the giants por ejemplo). We make terrible decisions...and aside from 5 games in aught 5 and 4 games in aught 7, we do terribly.

I only have one horse in the race. Let's go Packers. Perfect ending would be for the Pats to lose to underdog Fav-ruh.

As a side note, did anyone else find themselves pumping their respective fist when they showed that evil SOB Jerry Jones with the pouty face on the sidelines? I know I did. Soooooorrrrry 'bout that bruh! How does that 12th year without a playoff W taste? Oh, it's bitter? Yeah, little tart? Doesn't really go down smooth does it bruh?

Love it.

AMTTS
aka The GM Quandry

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

what are you guys even talking about? what has williams done to deserve the head coaching job? coach a winning team? nope. won a superbowl? nope. theres only one man out there for this job, and i believe he will get it.

BILL COWHER! HAIL!

Get him and we will be superbowl bound next season!!!

Hail!

Posted by: mrhanki9 | January 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting isn't it, IF Grilliams was to become our Head Coach, what would his drafting philosophy be? Being a Defensive minded coach, would that be a priority, or would he have faith in what has has, and target the other side of the ball.

I've had a look at a few Mock Drafts, and most have us looking at DE Calais Campbell, and WR Limas Sweed, one even had us getting Campbell in the 1st Round, and Sweed in the 2nd.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Kost, if we ended up with those two, I'd be a happy camper. I'm not going to get my hopes up, however. Sweed will probably be gone in the first round.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

mrhanki9 - a little captain obvious here, but none of these coaches (gibbs, parcells, cowher, walsh, knoll, etc.) were super bowl coaches until they won their first super bowl. meaning there's always a first time for everybody. a little history, no coach has ever won a super bowl with two different teams. ever. williams has consistently been one of the best defensive minds in the nfl for years and years. he's the real deal, and as long as danny can hire him without the urge to fire him at the first sign of failure, this team will be legit.

Posted by: pspe23 | January 14, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Norv has been gone a while now and surely he has picked up experience along the way. When he was here he wasn't very good.

The jury is still out in charger-town. Easy to pick up a team that someone else built their first year off of a winning season and win again. Ask Barry Switzer (sp?).

Posted by: JoeyV | January 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

greg:

agreed, just looking ahead and wondering what we'll be saying if norv pull off this upset. . .

wouldn't change his record here in DC, but remember, he did get into the playoffs before the danny started playing monopoly with the franchise. . .

if, and it is a HUGE if, SD upsets NE, you got to ask yourself the question, ya know?

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

From the last thread:


I hear ya, Roo-yay.

I was called out above for being a crybaby, so I'll pay it forward and ask you not to wallow in those sour grapes about Norval's poopy tenure in DC.

Also, they fall under the heading of the lesser evil. This weekend, anyway.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This is just the latest development for which we Redskins fans can thank Joe Gibbs. He came out of retirement to put this franchise back on track, and this coaching search is proof that to me that he largely succeeded. This search would never have been conducted in such a dignified and professional manner 4 years ago. My guess is that Williams (who I am predicting also has learned the right way to be a head coach from Gibbs) is the choice, and the team builds on this year with a minimum of disruption.

Posted by: jaypem | January 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

mrhanki9 I hope you are kidding. If not you're an idiot. Cowher uses the 3-4 defense which the Skins don't have the personnel for. That turnover would take a couple of years.

Posted by: joshthomas69 | January 14, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, did this Roweq character not even consider the possibility that I myself am a minority (an Hispanic and a Jew to boot)? I have been fighting for colorblind equal opportunity in this country for over a decade, and to accuse me of racism simply because you don't agree with my stance on the Rooney Rule is beyond the pale.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 01:17 PM

I have a feeling that I'm firmly on Barno's "ITA" list now, but I'll make one last attempt to engage him.

Barno, you're either being naive or disingenuous to suggest that being a minority means that you can't be a racist.

Where I grew up I had the misfortune to meet two 'true' racists (think America History X and you'll understand what I mean by 'true').

The first was a white skinhead with his face totally covered in tattoos who did the world a favour by stepping off a 7th floor balcony while out of his head on glue. The second skinhead ended up with life imprisonment for kicking an Asian guy to death "for fun". He also happened to be Afro-Caribbean (UK analog of African American).

Racism knows no cultural or ethnic boundaries, it's a state of mind.

To suggest that the Rooney Rule equates to Affirmative Action is just plain wrong; the Rooney Rule does not insist that 'minorities' are given head coaching jobs according to some quota system, merely that they are considered for the vacancy at all. The best candidate (in the mind of the owner) will ALWAYS win the job, regardless of colour. It just so happens that since this issue was raised the proportion of minority head coaches has steadily been on the rise. Causation or correlation? You decide? Either way, how is taht a bad thing?

Your attempt to join the Rooney Rule to Affirmative Action is both flawed and irrelevant.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey drouhier,

"Screw that guy in the ear with an iron stick and a running start."

Isn't that just a little vitriolic?

It's only a game.

Posted by: brucesh1 | January 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

As a side note, did anyone else find themselves pumping their respective fist when they showed that evil SOB Jerry Jones with the pouty face on the sidelines?

AMTTS
aka The GM Quandry

Posted by: drouhier | January 14, 2008 04:16 PM

that was the best shot of the game, classic, absolutely classic. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan, if Norv pulls off this upset, I'll say that he's still not a good coach. I'd say that he took over a team that went 14-2 the year prior, and has one of the best RB's in the league, so hard how could it be.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

mrhank.net, I agree and I disagree. I agree that Grilliams stinks as a head coach. There was a reason they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Buffalo. I've maintained for the last couple years that his constant abrasive nature wears out its welcome everywhere.

His arrogant 'it's the system' approach makes guys not want to play for him. You can try and sell me that he's 'learned' under Joe Gibbs. I'm not buying it. Classic case of a dude that should always be a tight assistant coach.

Here's what you do when you take on Grilliams:

You say goodbye to Al Saunders. No one is really talking about this, but you can mark it down. Some might want this, but i don't. I'm not in love with Al but it's what JC (not in a basket) knows. He learns offensive systems like I learn foreign languages: slowly and with lots of stuttering.

When Al goes, JC has to go back to square 1 and learn a new system thus stunting his growth. If you're wed to JC (which we seem to be), you need to consider his long term future. I have no interest in wasting a year while 'gets comfortable' with the new system. Making Grilliams the head guy has lots of consequences.

To your second point about Bill (na-ee-en-en-ajah) Cowher, like Sameer, he's 'naganna...nagannna...not gonna work here anyway'

He's no dummy (although he is on over-rated coach who makes the same face no matter what happens. He's the Rene Zelwigger of coaches). He knows he'd be walking into a gongshow if he took this job. Teams without general managers aren't teams that established coaches want to coach. He'll be an analyst for another year and walk into a better situation.

ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks, washingtonpost.com Sports Editor!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 04:15 PM

I'm thinking this may be the fabled "Emilio" of whom we've heard tell. Also, remember when CynCyty used to sign posts as "Jason's editor"? Good times. Here here for registration and The definite article, TheCindy!

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

jaypem, you make a terrific point, noting Grilliams' perceived (by you and me) ability and willingness to learn.

I want to believe that the Grilliams who has kept meticulous files on every assistant coach in the league in little blue folders in a desk drawer has been taking copious notes from Coach Gibbs and figuring out how to do things differently. The dude was knocked down a peg after Buffalo, and I think on some level he's been regrouping ever since then.

And you can't outregroup Gregg Williams.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

then you'd have a bad coach pulling off one of the biggest upsets ever. . .

I'm just sayin' . . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm not 100% sure, but isn't the Rooney Rule what got Mike Tomlin the job in Pittsburgh? When Cowher left, everyone assumed that either Whisenhunt, or Grimm would be promoted, but Tomlin was interviewed, and even though he had only been Defensive Coordinator for 1 season, the Steelers were so impressed with the way he interviewed, that he was hired.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bruce:

to paraphrase the words of the greatest:

'I don't know what vitriolic means; but if it's good, I'm that'

It's just my writing style man. Lots of superlatives and over-aggressive depictions. I don't really want a metal rod inserted into Norv's ear. I do want him to lose though.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Because I know what Gregg Williams plus Ralph Wilson can do (i.e., barely keep the team out of Toronto), I'm willing to find out what Gregg Williams and The Owner, i.e., OCD plus cash on the barrelhead, can do.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Caldwell as OC?

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

They say it's always the quiet ones you have to watch out for.

And if you've noticed, I haven't said anything all day.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Myself and AMTTS, we are way out of synch today. Disagreeing on Norval, disagreeing on Grilliams. So it goes.

Sure beats jawing about the Rooney Rule, though.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Barno, you're either being naive or disingenuous to suggest that being a minority means that you can't be a racist.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 04:29 PM

Never suggested that. So when you speak of someone being disingenuous, surely you are referring to yourself.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

kost- Welcome back!

Nate- I found kost!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

*** Rooney alert ***

kost, if you've been reading carefully, that interview demeaned Mike Tomlin.

*** end Rooney alert ***

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

drouhier,

The trouble with your "style" is that the style takes precedent over the thoughts. As a consequence, less is thought of your thoughts.

Posted by: brucesh1 | January 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

stevie, Ravin or Reche?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not 100% sure, but isn't the Rooney Rule what got Mike Tomlin the job in Pittsburgh? When Cowher left, everyone assumed that either Whisenhunt, or Grimm would be promoted, but Tomlin was interviewed, and even though he had only been Defensive Coordinator for 1 season, the Steelers were so impressed with the way he interviewed, that he was hired.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 04:36 PM

So you are saying he wasn't interviewed because of his merits, he was simply interviewed because he fulfilled an interview quota. This is what you are saying, right?

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

barno, please stop it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Danny is going through all the right steps for several reasons. Even IF Williams is the foregone choice, The Danny doesn't want to tick off the Commisioner by violating the spirit or letter of the Rooney Rule. Danny is rising in the ranks of owners within the league and some day wants to host a Super Bowl, so getting Goodell p.o'd wouldn't help his standing with the Commisioner. Next, he MAY be trying to make the right decsion, not just the easy one. Finally , by interviewing some of the top coordinators , he and the eventual selecton (Williams) will have some insight on other guys out there to ebcome defensive or offensive coordinators. They'll need both since Suanders isn't likely to stay with Williams and some of the Gibbs Geritol may decide to leave with a nice buy out. So far The Danny is showing the patience he says he learned from Gibbs.

Posted by: jmsbh | January 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It's a tough day for us Nate but it's one day. You put it behind you and move on. We're all grown men up here (except for the bladies (blog ladies)) and we're all part of this thing.

So yeah, me and Nate had some words. That's for him and I. It ain't for you punks in the media to start printing nonsense. It's between him and me. We just trying to win games. He's a great teammate and he expressed his frustration to me and I expressed mine to him. We worked it out. That's it. End of story. Next question.

ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Barno, you're either being naive or disingenuous to suggest that being a minority means that you can't be a racist.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 04:29 PM

Never suggested that. So when you speak of someone being disingenuous, surely you are referring to yourself.


Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 04:39 PM


This is a "your mom goes to college" statement if I have ever seen one.

Posted by: sams3 | January 14, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, kost52, and happy new year, or whatever you call it down there!

I am not very strong with the maths, but I added up the time elapsed in your holiday story and it didn't come close to the amount of time you were AWOL from the blog. So I am still of the opinion that there might have been a scrape with the authorities, perhaps, or a run-in with a renegade motorcycle gang in the post-apocalyptic outback.

In any event, glad you're back, mate.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why you all are so sure Saunders will be fired? According to John Keim of The Examiner (and Warpath) players, coaches, and league sources say they are unaware of any rift between Williams and Saunders. One defensive player said "they sit next to each other in team meetings and they laugh with each other all the time. I can't see their personalities clashing."

Posted by: Lisa | January 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

sams3,

The king of "your mom goes to college" comments, calls someone else for making a similar comment.

Hilarious!

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, did this Roweq character not even consider the possibility that I myself am a minority (an Hispanic and a Jew to boot)? I have been fighting for colorblind equal opportunity in this country for over a decade, and to accuse me of racism simply because you don't agree with my stance on the Rooney Rule is beyond the pale.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 01:17 PM

Barno, unless I'm suffering from a total lack of English comprehension today (always possible) the above statement was your attempt to suggest that because you couldn't be racist. It specifically refers to the fact that you are a minority who has fought for equal opportunity, and the only example you give of that fight are to challenge Affirmative Action.

I'm not being disingenuous at all. You ARE.

A quick tip. "I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?" is not a valid debating technique once you leave 2nd grade.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

AMMTS, what are your thoughts about Nate's blogging on the Cabo San Lucas website?

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm not 100% sure, but isn't the Rooney Rule what got Mike Tomlin the job in Pittsburgh? When Cowher left, everyone assumed that either Whisenhunt, or Grimm would be promoted, but Tomlin was interviewed, and even though he had only been Defensive Coordinator for 1 season, the Steelers were so impressed with the way he interviewed, that he was hired.
Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 04:36 PM

Rooney Rule may (or may not, who knows) have gotten him the itnerview-- but as you say clearly he got the job on merit.

Posted by: suz | January 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes AMMTS, I was yelling at the TV when ol' pouty face had his pity party.

Sorry I havent been around, been playing mommy and daddy of late. My wife is seeing stars in her left eye and is slightly numb on the left side of her head and arm.

Just had the MRI, will hopefully get no more news in two days...

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS, myself and I laughed out loud at that one. Thank you, thank you, sir, for shining that sunshine up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Nate- Was just thinking the same thing, re: maths and kost's story. He left out this part of his journey...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/13/wkayak113.xml

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm not being disingenuous at all. You ARE.

A quick tip. "I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?" is not a valid debating technique once you leave 2nd grade.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 04:45 PM

So are you saying you're still in 2nd grade? This would explain a lot of your comments on this blog...

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?" is not a valid debating technique ...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 04:45 PM

"Yes, yes, you told Brant. Brant told me. Someone peed on your rug. Where do I fit into this? Did I pee on your rug?"

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if my posts are a bit late, I'm still catching up on this morning's posts!

I think Grilliams is the right choice, but what worries me, is that up here, we did a lot of complaining about Gibbs' conservativismness, from Wiki regarding Double G - "As the Bills' head coach, his team was known for highly conservative calls, especially on offense. He was the inspiration for Gregg Easterbrook's designation of "the maroon zone" by constantly punting in opponent territory."

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

There's a part of me that wishes Dallas won yesterday. Then we'd only be dealing with koolaide brrrp-fart-guzzle dude instead of 'he who commits incest'

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

" ... from Wiki regarding Double G - "As the Bills' head coach, his team was known for highly conservative calls, especially on offense. ..."

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 04:48 PM

I saw that too. I figure they covered that was hours Two through Four of the 12 hour interview today.

[In other news, while have everything that Gregg Easterbrook has to qualify me to opine on sports (including an @$$hole), isn't the idea behind punting to get the ball back into opponent territory?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Good question Sween...

(wearing huge sunglasses and fighting back tears)

'That's...not fair...it ain't fair...that's my teammate...we lost as a team man...that's my quarterback...it ain't fair...for y'all to do that to him....it...'

(Shakes head in disbelief)

'it ain't fair to him...'

AMTTS

PS. Sween, greatest softball of all time. You are the Steve Nash of the blog.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason and fellow commentators, what do you think?

G Williams - Head Coach
Jim Schwartz - Asst Coach Defense
Jim Caldwell - QB Coach (assuming he doesn't get the Indy head coaching job, and Snyder offers him a lot of money)

I couldn't see bringing in Schwartz ahead of Williams...he was a protege' of Williams, think it makes more sense for him to bring him in as an Assistant, since they're of the same philosophy.

Jim Caldwell would be great for developing Jason Campbell into a Peyton Manning-type QB.

Posted by: nsoules | January 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Jason and fellow commentators, what do you think?

G Williams - Head Coach
Jim Schwartz - Asst Coach Defense

Posted by: nsoules | January 14, 2008 04:53 PM

Even if we could get Schwartz as an assistant this seems like a bad idea. He's going to be a head coach, if not this year then next. We don't need a guy to breeze through here for a year like Marvin Lewis did on his way to Indy. We need a D coach for the next four years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Or on his way to Cincy, on second thought.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I thought we had all agreed on Greg Blache as new D boss? No? I thought that issue was resolved months ago in the succession plan?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The Lewises stopped over in Indy on their way to Cincy, t_e. It was quite the road trip, I hear. Indy, Muncie, Quincy, Cincy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming that if Al Saunders and the Skins were to part company, the "Saunders style" offense is what it is ... intellectual property that is not owned by Saunders. Along the same lines of peeps who fell in love with Ryan Clark AFTER he left, I've had a hunch that Bill Musgrave (previous Skins QB coach ... now in Atlanta ... coaching, well, no one really) might have had chops to become a grown up O coordinator with a "Musgrave style" offense. That offense certainly seems like it COULD include Saunderian concepts.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

NORV NORV NORV. I can't beleive their are Skins fans in here actually blaming Danny and saying what could have been with Norv...ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Norv is doing NOTHING but calling plays for the team that Marty built...end of story...Do not think for a second we should have kept NORV PLEASE! LOL Thats just stupid

Posted by: leevi98 | January 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I predict it's going to be Jerry Gray as the new defensive coordinator.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know, what is the Dallas equivalent of RI? I'd love to see what those guys might be talking about today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Jasno (aka "The Beat Reporter") suggested that Mr. Blache was thinking about packing it in and calling it a career ... at least in the context of the "dog and pony show" of interviewing for head coaches (oddly, this seems like the one thing on which Barno and Jasno seem to agree). Anyway, maybe those plans would change if Grilliams gets the HC job. Me? I'm pro-Jerry Gray (if only so Steve Jackson gets the "secondary" job outright). I'm pro-Steve Jackson too.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's my solution to the Rooney Rule debacle; force barno to be interviewed for ANY available NFL HC position.

Not only will this ensure barno is finally directly persecuted by the rule he so desperately loathes, the 12+ hour interviews and travel required to attend them should severely curtail his ability to post about it on this blog

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 14, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, I got caught up in my weak joke and missed something.

t_e, did you just confuse two head coaches of color? Oh no you dih-int! I'm working up a huge ball of righteous indignation over this! This will not stand! Consider yourself barnoed!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Adam, you got my vote.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Who you talking about? Marvin Lewis or Lovie Lewis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

That stuff about GW's offense being conservative with Buffalo...well how would you call plays with Rob Johnson as your QB? ENOUGH SAID!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It was only a matter of time before Barno became a verb.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Your attempt to join the Rooney Rule to Affirmative Action is both flawed and irrelevant.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 04:29 PM

Buddy, race-based means race-based. No "if, ands, or buts" about it. The rule requires that team satisfy a racial quota, right?

It is exactly the same thing as racial preferences, aka affirmative action, because it takes race into account.

To come to your conclusions about this rule, you have to disregard a whole lot of facts.

You completely disregard the fact that there are disproportionately more black head coaches than there are blacks in this country, right?

You completely disregard the fact that to become an NFL player, you must be physically gifted, right?

You completely disregard the fact that on average black and Samoan athletes are disproportionately faster and stronger than white athletete, and thus the reason there are disproportionately more black and Samoans in pro football, right?

You completely disregard the fact that it takes different skills to become a coach than it does to become a pro athlete, right?

You completely disregard the fact that you do not need to be physically gifted to be a head coach, right?

You completely disregard the fact that you need to be intellectually gifted to become a head coach, and thus the racial make up of coaches more closely resembles actual society--where one race isn't any smarter than another--than the racial make up of players, right?

Why don't you stop completely disregarding this stuff? Maybe then you'll be taken a little more seriously in this discussion.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

latent_racebaiter, your opinions are worthless and your arguments are all rhetorically faulty!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Revisionist History:
If only we had hired Marty first to build the team, then hired Norbert (Norv+Dilbert) to call the plays.

F Order of operations.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Can you satisfy the Rooney rule by interviewing a guy in a wheel chair or a Native American?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate, 4-12 - The reason there are a few days missing from my holiday summary, is because I thought it pointless to mention the days I spent hungover in the tent. So that's what happened to those other 9 days.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Do you believe that NFL teams should be required to interview males for cheerleader positions and females for every position?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys, stop fanning the flames and they will die out!!!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 14, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Can you satisfy the Rooney rule by interviewing a guy in a wheel chair or a Native American?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 05:14 PM

Exactly. What is a minority? Both parents must be minority? One parent? One grandparent?

Like I said, it's a messy business when institutions open up this can of worms.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

So we agree we all know nothing.

On the Rooney Rule - It did not get Tomlin hired, Tomlin got Tomlin hired, BUT the Rooney rule made sure that he was in the room to convince them to give him the job. AND it made sure he was in the room in previous years with previous teams to better become part of the flow of coaches getting interviewed for jobs. Rooney rule gets people culturally (and by that I mean Football culture) disinclined to consider minorities to consider them.

On GG and the coaching search - I can't fault DAN for anything he has done in the coaching search so far. If you annoint GG then you have a Detroit debacle where no one will interview with you. If you don't annoint him them you are unhappy with him and only want a big name coach. The DAN can't win on this one, so he is just going about doing his job, which, for an owner, is picking the next Team President and Coach.

On the 700 Page Playbook, if he goes he goes, if he stays he stays. I can see GG saying, yeah I want him and Buges and Ernest, but not so much the rest of the Geritol Generation, and I am okay with that. I think everyone, including JC, saw what the offense can look like, and it is my gut that seeing it work like that, JC will step it up another notch next year.

On the GM - No, we aren't getting one and that sucks. We would be better off if we did. Assuming GG has Gibbs-Lite power on the draft, I think we have to hope that he learned from Gibbs. Gibbs, an offensive coach who would be judged on his offenses, spent 3 out of 4 first rounders on defense, and his fourth pick on a player he knew could not help him the following year. It is true Gibbs traded high picks for offensive players - and it never worked out, and hopefully GG has learned from that as well.

So we sit back and hope that GG has learned, as other coaches have (most notably the Cheater in Foxboro) from one coaching gig to the next.

Posted by: RedBee | January 14, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Do you believe that NFL teams should be required to interview males for cheerleader positions and females for every position?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 05:17 PM

Absolutely not. The Constitution allows gender to be taken into consideration when it is a requirement of the job.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Miss Teen Barno: "I personally believe that U.S. Black and Samoan Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some-uh people out there in our NFL that don't have maps, and, uh, I believe that our, ah, minorities, like such as Rooney Rule, and the Logic and everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our racism over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help The Beat Reporter and should help the Rooney [timer bell] and the Heavy Metal Parking Lot countries so we will be able to build up our future [mike retracted momentarily by emcee] for our-" [mercifully cut off by emcee]

(Nate's transcription, like such as)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What about Olivadotti for a promotion? I have a feeling that Grilliams would still have strong control over the Defense, so I like the idea of giving a young assistant a go, he seems to have done a good job with the linebackers, who knows, he could end up being the next Tomlin, or McDaniels.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well put Levinems, on all counts.

I'm really curious about the soap opera tea-leaves-reading that will come out of which assistants depart when GG/Flapjacks/Man Boobs takes over. Oh, the palace intrigue!

BTW, down here at MacWorld today and tomorrow. Can't wait to buy whatever it is Steve Jobs is selling tomorrow :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, if you see the "I'm a Mac" guy, tell him I thought he was good in Die Hard 4, and that Jeepers Creepers is one of my all-time favorite horror movies.

And that if he turns in a third enjoyable film performance, I will bother to learn his name.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Blatche is ready to call it quits....he simply does not want the headache a head coaching position will entail.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams' Draft History as Bills Head Coach -

2001

Rnd 1 - Nate Clements CB*
Rnd 2 - Aaron Schobel DE*
Rnd 2 - Travis Henry RB*
Rnd 3 - Ron Edwards DT
Rnd 3 (Comp) - Jonas Jennings OT
Rnd 4 - Brandon Spoon LB
Rnd 5 - Marques Sullivan OL
Rnd 6 - Tony Driver FS
Rnd 6 (Comp) - Dan O'Leary TE
Rnd 6 (Comp) - Jimmy R Williams CB
Rnd 7 - Reggie Germany WR
Rnd 7 (Comp) - Tyrone Robertson DT

2002

Rnd 1 - Mike Williams OT
Rnd 2 - Josh Reed WR
Rnd 2 - Ryan Denney DE
Rnd 3 (Comp) - Coy Wire SS
Rnd 5 - Justin Bannon DT
Rnd 6 - Kevin Thomas CB
Rnd 7 - Mike Pucillo C
Rnd 7 (Comp) - Rodney Wright WR
Rnd 7 (Comp) - Jarret Ferguson - RB
Rnd 7 (Comp) - Domonique Stevenson LB

2003

Rnd 1 - Willis McGahee RB
Rnd 2 - Chris Kelsay DE
Rnd 3 - Angelo Crowell LB
Rnd 4 - Terrence McGee CB*
Rnd 4 - Sam Aiken WR
Rnd 5 - Ben Sobiewski OL
Rnd 6 - Luavale Sape DT
Rnd 7 - Mario Haggan LB

* - Player has been to Pro-Bowl

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea who the Mac guy is either. But I did meet PC (John Hodgman) in a bar in NYC once. Very nice guy.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams drafted Poochie in 2002? That's all I need to know. Double G for head coach!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems to have done alright with his picks. Not much late round success, Mike Williams was a bit of a bust, but he seems to know his defensive players.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Plan for the offseason:

Get a real GM

-or-

Head Coach: Williams
D-coordinator: Olvidati
Don't bring back: Burns and Beraux

Cut: Lloyd, Jansen, Kendall, Springs, Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell

Re-sign: Cartwright, Collins

Draft: DE, MLB, Safety, TE, C, DT

FA:
Bryant Johnson (Big, Posession WR)
Max Starks (Young OT)
Jordan Gross (Young OG)
Marcus Trufant (Young CB)
Josh Brown (Experienced K)

Feel free to pick apart

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, if you see the "I'm a Mac" guy, tell him I thought he was good in Die Hard 4, and that Jeepers Creepers is one of my all-time favorite horror movies.

And that if he turns in a third enjoyable film performance, I will bother to learn his name.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 05:38 PM

isn't that guy dating the broad from ET?

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

4-12, Wikipedia says his name is pronounced Poo-sill-oh. If you correct your nickname accordingly, well, uh...

Maps!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see everyone is taking up my mantle and carrying on with the non-ITA'ing of Barno.

Its very easy to qualify this argument, you may not like the rule barno, because it may smack of forced hiring practices, but there is no quota on minorities being hired, just interviewed. Thus the difference between that and Affirmative action.

And to end all arguments, it is MUCH better than the alternative, any way you look at it. i.e. Qutoas for hiring not interviewing or just the outright ability for a team to say they dont want minorities, which if you look at skins history, will tell you we were the biggest purpetrator of that in sports history.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, if you see the "I'm a Mac" guy, tell him I thought he was good in Die Hard 4, and that Jeepers Creepers is one of my all-time favorite horror movies.

And that if he turns in a third enjoyable film performance, I will bother to learn his name.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 05:38 PM

That's Justin Long. He always plays smug, self-satisfied roles.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Diddy you don't know the Mac guy? He is a funny actor:

- Dodgeball
- The Break-up
-lead in Accepted
- Die Hard 4

and other stuff...

He just had a hilarious cameo as George Harrison in "Walk Hard"...a movie (as a music and comedy nerd) I LOVED. And in which Jenna Fischer (Pam in the Office) was h-o-t!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

And I am OK with smug and self satisfied, as evidenced by my blog posts.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch the new Terminator show last night? Thoughts?

"Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell" - none currently under contract for next season...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

and yes Barno he is dating the "broad" from E.T. AKA as Drew Barrymore...

No one doubts your non-PC bona-fides my man....keep on keepin on, the world needs more of you....!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Is Alvin a smug, self-satisfied Chipmunk?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mac users are satisfied because we're not spending time waiting for Windows to boot up.

The new Terminator show is on my TiVo. May watch over Slingbox later tonight...the reviews convinced me to record it.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

So I always thought Williams was half hispanic for some reason maybe its just his color complexion. Speaking of which how come there are no hispanic Head Coaches?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch the new Terminator show last night? Thoughts?

"Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell" - none currently under contract for next season...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 06:18 PM

Well, I thought it was cool enough to be worth my time. I'll watch the 2nd half tonight. I'm not quite sure how many seasons they can get out of its premise, though.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

It was better than that Bionic Woman farce of a show. Which isn't really saying much. I think another episode is on tonight.
I'm just jonesin' for Lost in a couple weeks.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Soldat Anglais,

Je sais que vous avez essayé, mais il ne vaut pas l'effort. Go Fins.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Mac users are satisfied because we're not spending time waiting for Windows to boot up.

The new Terminator show is on my TiVo. May watch over Slingbox later tonight...the reviews convinced me to record it.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 06:21 PM

I can't stand those "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials. I don't want to be sold a freaking lifestyle, I just want a damned computer. The computer I use is NOT an appendage of my personality.

Everytime I see Justin Long now, thanks to those ads, I just want to yell "SHUUT THE F#&% UP!!"

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

XXX just reported that the Skins will be interviewing the Colts coaches.

Posted by: jm220 | January 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Z,
Although, his/her behavior can be very troll-like, I agree, we shouldn't ITA Barno, he's one of our own.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

kost52 you are almost correct. All the reports was the job was going to be given to Grimm. But Mike Tomlin came in and drop the hammer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Sound like we got a Windows user there. ;-)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

He's just posting while his other computer boots up. Hey, some people like completely functional beige boxes with no personality.

I've been a PC user my whole life, and a Windows guy through and through (in more ways than one). But when I got my 13" MacBook, I saw the light. It Just Works, and it's just gorgeous, to boot.

I can't see myself going back to a PC so long as Apple keeps making great stuff.

Can't wait for tomorrow :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- What would Bill say if he knew you were now a Mac guy?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Who I think the Skins should take with their picks -

Rnd 1 - DE Calais Campbell, Miami
6'8" 280lbs

- Big body to replace Daniels.

Rnd 2 - WR Marcus Monk, Arkansas
6'5" 214lbs

- We need a tall receiver, and what could be better than one named Monk

Rnd 3 - WR Todd Blythe, Iowa State
6'5" 210lbs

- We need a tall receiver, and what can be better than one named Todd.

Rnd 5 - RB Cory Boyd, South Carolina
6'1" 200lbs

- I just think he'd look great on the roster with Cody Body, don't you Jasno?

Rnd 6 - LB Robert Killebrew, Texas
6'1" 225lbs

- For some reason his name appeals to me.

Rnd 7 - DE Dexter Manley II, West Texas A&M
6'2" 282lbs

- Would love to see that name on a Redskins Jersey again!

Undrafted FA -

WR Johnny Walker, Oklahoma
5'11" 204lbs

- Again, for some reason his name appeals to me!

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I always had an iconoclastic reputation in the company anyway. I have been using a Mac ever since Vista came out. Apple makes great stuff that works. Their competitors can't say the same thing. It's that simple.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Sound like we got a Windows user there. ;-)

Posted by: alex35332 | January 14, 2008 06:41 PM

Yeah, I'm a windows user. All I've learned from the I'm a Mac commercials is that I'm not trendy enough to buy a Mac.

I couldn't care less what computer I use, as long as it works. My Dell w/ WinXP SP2 works just fine, thank you very much.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine going through college with the name Johnny Walker? I don't think I would ever have seen sobriety.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha. Safe to assume he is just "Bill" as opposed to "Mr." Gates?

Kost for GM!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse


This should settle the Mac/PC debate (okay maybe not)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mCCYLC-4xA


Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Off for home and diaper duty.

No BMGO from there...dead computer; hooked up the wife's laptop, but it doesn't let me post anything. :(

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Always just Bill.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

But when I got my 13" MacBook, I saw the light. It Just Works, and it's just gorgeous, to boot.

I can't see myself going back to a PC so long as Apple keeps making great stuff.

Can't wait for tomorrow :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 06:46 PM

To me, the problem is 1. Macs cost 10% more, on average, and exhibit 15% slower performance, and 2. yeah, it Just Works, but with what?? Rather than run a windows emulator, might as well just run the real thing.

Then again, I don't really get frustrated by Windows because I'm much more computer literate than most, and I like the versatility.

But, hey, Mac users love their Macs, and they're welcome to it. Just not my thing.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys are arrogant even in defeat....the Pillsbury Dough Boy (aka Wade Phillips) said "the better team lost....we outplayed them....but we lost."

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Kost, why are you talking about replacing Daniels? He played well...plans to play for several more years....is a locker room leader....has a very manageable salary...and Williams loves him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what will ignite more of a flaming thread: a discussion about race and the Rooney Rule, or a discussion of Macs vs. PCs.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why you all are so sure Saunders will be fired? According to John Keim of The Examiner (and Warpath) players, coaches, and league sources say they are unaware of any rift between Williams and Saunders. One defensive player said "they sit next to each other in team meetings and they laugh with each other all the time. I can't see their personalities clashing."

Posted by: Lisa | January 14, 2008 04:44 PM

Been wondering the same thing Lisa

Cut: Lloyd, Jansen, Kendall, Springs, Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell

Re-sign: Cartwright, Collins

Draft: DE, MLB, Safety, TE, C, DT

FA:
Bryant Johnson (Big, Posession WR)
Max Starks (Young OT)
Jordan Gross (Young OG)
Marcus Trufant (Young CB)
Josh Brown (Experienced K)

Feel free to pick apart

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2008 06:11 PM

And you must live with the Danny in "DreamLand".

Why does everybody want Starks, he was part of an o-line that SUCKS.

Don't need to do so much, a little tweaking, restructuring, and a solid draft.

That's all.

Posted by: craig2 | January 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, it wasn't a serious mock draft and I couldn't find any non-serious picks rated high enough to go in the 1st round.

That being said, at this early stage I'm for drafting Calais Campbell with our first pick. Not necessarily as a reflection of Daniels' performance, more a reflection of his age. Didn't mean I'd cut Daniels.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what will ignite more of a flaming thread: a discussion about race and the Rooney Rule, or a discussion of Macs vs. PCs.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 07:07 PM

I think Mac vs PC would be far more entertaining, though I fear a blending of the two debates and a bunch of heated posts arguing whether or not interviewing Mac user for an NFL HC position constitutes Rooney Rule compliance.

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I always had an iconoclastic reputation in the company anyway. I have been using a Mac ever since Vista came out. Apple makes great stuff that works. Their competitors can't say the same thing. It's that simple.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 06:51 PM
I had been told many years ago that Macs were better, more stable, and they "just work". Then I spent 15 years working for a printing company, we had no choice but employ both Macs and PCs, and you know what? They both suck just the same. Everyone needs to set up their computer to do the job they need done, if it works as a Mac,fine, if it works as PC, fine, but Macs are NO better than the PCs I built for my users to this day.

Posted by: craig2 | January 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

As a side note, did anyone else find themselves pumping their respective fist when they showed that evil SOB Jerry Jones with the pouty face on the sidelines?..
---

Better yet, did you see TO crying in his press conference? That was classic. Made my day!

Posted by: COskins | January 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

own a pc, but have a mac book for work....so maybe i have a good perspective....well i bring my mac book home almost every night b/c my pc sucks....i hate it, f vista, f windows...complete joke...

basically:

macs rule
pcs drool

its like a wet dream v nightmare....

the cost differential is a legit issue however.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

CL - Are you saying that after you use your Mac, there's a clean up involved??

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Jones with the s@itfaced look...great
T.O. crying...priceless

Oh...Barno, it's time to put the Rooney Rule issue to bed. I'm not saying that race can't be discussed in sports, but damn dude...go on the lecture circuit or something.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

um kosty....no comment...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Well, just so we know where we all stand on the relevant debates -- I am pro-Rooney Rule and pro-PC. Shoot -- I'm a Catholic and a McCain supporter too, if that makes anything more interesting.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I am confused by the below. From other sources I understood Brunell was under contract until 2010 (7 yr deal).

http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Contracts%20Chart.htm

Not the biggest cap hit to cut but still some impact I think.

Anyone catch the new Terminator show last night? Thoughts?

"Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell" - none currently under contract for next season...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 14, 2008 06:18 PM

Posted by: clearycommerce | January 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

ok this is fun:

pro rooney rule, pro mac, i worship the Norse Panthenon and am writing in matt taibi for prez...

also pro gay marriage, anti straight marriage. think dogs and cats are equals and i prefer karen to pam for jim on the office, but am pro jenna fischer on real life....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Pro Rooney Rule, Pro Mac, Pro Obama, Pro Gay Marriage, Anti Straight Marriage, Anti Cat, Pro Karen, Anti Bionic Woman, Pro Journeyman, Pro Jessica Alba pre-pregnancy, Anti Jessica Alba post-pregnancy.

Neutral on Barno (jury's out on whether he's really a jerk, or just pulling everyone's chains for a good laugh). Definitely Pro Boofer (where is that lil' guy???).

Oh, and so Pro that guy who wants to sue us for slander.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Jenna Fischer was awesome in "Charlie Wilson's War". And I am definitely, definitely, definitely Pro that movie (and pretty much anything written by Aaron Sorkin).

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Bram Weinstein reported on Redskins Radio that it is deadly quiet at Redskins Park and that Snyder & Co. are being extremely secretive. Bram said the last time they were this secretive Joe Gibbs was hired as coach. Bram seems to think all the Williams talk may be a smoke screen.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"barno, please stop it."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 04

Why should he stop it? That topic is about as on point as all of you screaming at Snyder, Williams or whoever without any qualifications to do so. In any case, the rule appears to have accomplished its intended goal. So junk it.

Posted by: forces | January 14, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the perspective forces, ok everyone go home, no more blogging until you have a phd on the topic...nice knowin ya!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmm...cue Barno railing against the "beat radio guy"...

Speculation, rumor, and innuendo are part of the game. Reporters have to report on it as it happens. I don't like it, but that's what journalism has come to today. Just watch CNN during one of those all important freeway chases or crazy redneck murders.

There was a site somewhere on the Interwebs that had the entire 48 hours of footage from several networks on 9/11/01-9/12/01. While it's painful subject matter, for sure, it's also quite interesting to look back on the "fog of war" and see the kinds of news and rumors that made it on the air that day.

The 'Skins coaching situation PALES in comparison to that. This is just fun and games, and I choose to have fun with it rather than spend my time chastising the beat reporter.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The mac & PC debate...hmmm interesting to say the least...I love how mac put out the ads and the last several years with colorful pretty cases and what not making them look like the the cool hip thing to get when buying a computer.

The bottom line is simple...Mac is for people who don't understand how to use and MAINTAIN their computer. PC with windows is so much better in terms of expansion, user friendly, and world compatibility. I am in the media/entertainment business and I have used Mac and pc and I solely use pc now. Macs tend to crsh alot when working on projects more than pc...but of course ANY COMPUTER IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE USER. I maintain my computers. I have 5 networked all over the house...I have NEEVER had a problem unless I caused it myself. People look for a compueter that will just work great forever...but it's not like that. You must understand what you are using for starters and most out there don't. I still have 2 of my 5 computers for 1999 and 2001. WHy because they are pcs and you can add and expand with them...I have maitained them and cared for them...hence they still work great!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 14, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

That topic is about as on point as all of you screaming at Snyder, Williams or whoever without any qualifications to do so. In any case, the rule appears to have accomplished its intended goal. So junk it.

Posted by: forces | January 14, 2008 08:14 PM

forces--

What are you talking about, dude? You need to lay low until you can properly distinguish between a qualified and an un-qualified screamer, or racial harmony expert.

All of us who scream are well qualified. We have extensive experience. Some of us have taken graduate courses in the topic. Barno, on the other hand, doesn't even know what a minority is, so what's he doing up here preaching?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

So what are you saying Lisa? Is snyder about to hire Vince Lombardi?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Here's that site:
http://www.archive.org/details/sept_11_tv_archive

Warning: you're going to spend A LOT of time on there. Like I said, it's absolutely fascinating, and positively gut-wrenching.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Bram Weinstein reported on Redskins Radio that it is deadly quiet at Redskins Park and that Snyder & Co. are being extremely secretive. Bram said the last time they were this secretive Joe Gibbs was hired as coach. Bram seems to think all the Williams talk may be a smoke screen.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 08:13 PM

They about to hire Vince Lombardi?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 14, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

see what I mean, forces? This chrislarry guy is one of the best qualified screamers up here, and you can't even recognize his expertise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

BTW, for all those who think Mac users are too cool for school...you should be here at MacWorld. They look like every other lumpy nerd to me. I can't tell any of them apart from Windows users.

That said, Macs are better :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

diddy--Most of them aren't even Mac users. They're from Microsoft, trying to figure out what all this Mac buzz is about and what's coming next.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

forces and leevi98 have forced me into an exstisential (i know its misspelled)crisis...must go reexamine my life...its all my fault...

barno save me!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I know a bunch of old co-workers who are coming in tonight, so you could be right about that :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

ok f that i love myself...

diddy since Comandant Jobs shuttered all the mac rumor sites will you post any newz you here?

Is the new Mac Book touch a front runner for HC job?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I use macrumors.com for all my Mac news. Apple Insider is pretty good.

But tomorrow's announcements have been an extraordinarily well kept secret. I think Steve has plugged all the leaks on that ship. Lots of speculation out there, but there's nothing definitive and it's all basically a bunch of nerds reporting the same rumor over and over again.

In that way, it's a lot like the 'Skins head coaching rumors.

If a MacBook were in charge of the 'Skins, Portis wouldn't have fumbled in Green Bay. This is a fact. You cannot dispute it.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

so, do you think Gregg Williams is a Mac guy or a PC guy? Dan Snyder? Vincent Cerrato?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Bram Weinstein:


"It's quiet."

. . . . .

"Too quiet."

Posted by: farstriker | January 14, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Mort says -

The Redskins have arranged to interview Seattle Seahawks assistant coach Jim Mora on Wednesday and Indianapolis Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks on Thursday for Washington's vacant head coaching job, sources told ESPN.

Mora is the former Atlanta Falcons head coach who is currently the Seahawks defensive backs coach. Meeks has been an assistant coach with the Cowboys, Bengals, Falcons, Redskins, and Rams before joining the Colts in 2002.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

greg williams: just bought his first computer, a mac, last july.

Vinny has one of those viajos or whatever

Snyder stole his baby sitters compaq laptop but bought a $2000 carrying case for it.

al saunders uses a combo of an abicus, a ham radio and networked supercomputers

gibbs is currently writing sermons on a comodore 64

Todd Collins just loaded linux on an old 30 gig ipod classic

Cooley uses a mac mini with 1200 inch monitor.

Portis had a cometic mirror wired to a smart board custom made.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm just worried that the "mystery" person they interviewed on Friday was Cowher.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

nice, cl

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

SI's Don Banks -

I don't have any particular nugget of inside information, but my instinct is strongly in the direction that we've seen the last of Mike Holmgren coaching in Seattle. As I wrote in mid-October, I expect Holmgren to walk away from the rest of his Seahawks contract once he takes a short break to take stock of his situation and do the self-inventory that he has gone through after each of the past two seasons.

....interesting.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Dallas Morning News is reporting that Jason Garrett is interviewing for the second time with Baltimore tonight. Hopefully they'll hire him and we'll at least be safe from another cowgirl coach.

Posted by: Burgundy | January 14, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm most definitely pro-Chuck Norris, yet anti-Mike Huckabee?

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I do both Mac and PC. I have a 3-year-old 17" PowerBook G4 as my personal machine, and a six-year-old PC for consulting work. Some of the apps that I need to use for work (FrameMaker, RoboHelp, Madcap Flare) need Windows (I run Win 2K, old but stable).

I've also got a Dell laptop that belongs to the company where I'm currently on contract.

I have fewer problems with the Mac than the PC. I maintain both machines regularly, but the PC is more prone to have a problem for no apparent reason, which then goes away for no apparent reason.

If I could change anything about my current setup, it would be to have an Airport router instead of my Linksys, since the Linksys doesn't like to play nicely with Macs unless you turn off wireless encryption, which is dumb.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

i am assuredly pro madeleine albright butt anti Hillary?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

greg williams: just bought his first computer, a mac, last july.

Vinny has one of those viajos or whatever

Snyder stole his baby sitters compaq laptop but bought a $2000 carrying case for it.

al saunders uses a combo of an abicus, a ham radio and networked supercomputers

gibbs is currently writing sermons on a comodore 64

Todd Collins just loaded linux on an old 30 gig ipod classic

Cooley uses a mac mini with 1200 inch monitor.

Portis had a cometic mirror wired to a smart board custom made.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 08:39 PM

Santana's got a fast 4.2 MHz PC, but it crashes like once per day.

Joe Bugel's got a steam-powered Apple IIe, but it just keeps on chugging.

Brandon Lloyd has an iBook, but never uses it.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I am pro Brett Favre but anti Pats. Pro Norv and anti Eli.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"The bottom line is simple...Mac is for people who don't understand how to use and MAINTAIN their computer. PC with windows is so much better in terms of expansion, user friendly, and world compatibility. I am in the media/entertainment business and I have used Mac and pc and I solely use pc now. Macs tend to crsh alot when working on projects more than pc...but of course ANY COMPUTER IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE USER. I maintain my computers. I have 5 networked all over the house...I have NEEVER had a problem unless I caused it myself. People look for a compueter that will just work great forever...but it's not like that. You must understand what you are using for starters and most out there don't. I still have 2 of my 5 computers for 1999 and 2001. WHy because they are pcs and you can add and expand with them...I have maitained them and cared for them...hence they still work great!"

Posted by: leevi98

This post may be the silliest one I have ever read here. It is inaccurate and deliberately misleading. Only PC fanboys and gamers defend their preferred platform so vociferously with so much misinformation.

The rule of thumb remains as it has always been: people who need productivity use Macs; people who like to play games on a computer use PCs.

Sorry to intrude here, since I usually just read but don't post. It's easy to pass on discussions of the Rooney Rule, or Clinton vs. Ladell, but these diehard PC defenders are offensive.

Posted by: kathy208 | January 14, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

haha good stuff kathy!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

This post may be the silliest one I have ever read here. It is inaccurate and deliberately misleading. Only PC fanboys and gamers defend their preferred platform so vociferously with so much misinformation.

The rule of thumb remains as it has always been: people who need productivity use Macs; people who like to play games on a computer use PCs.

Sorry to intrude here, since I usually just read but don't post. It's easy to pass on discussions of the Rooney Rule, or Clinton vs. Ladell, but these diehard PC defenders are offensive.

Posted by: kathy208 | January 14, 2008 09:44 PM

WRONG. PC's are designed for productivity. Even the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials emphasize the fact that PCs are designed to be used for business and productivity, and Macs are used for fun. The real rule of thumb is, if you're doing something involving media, film, music, etc., you're better off using a Mac. Otherwise, for gaming, databasing, designing presentations, or a vast array of other business applications, use a PC. PCs support about 10x the amount of software as Macs, and are much more versatile.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Marc (de la avenir)

Merci marquer, j'apprécient l'appui. Tristement, Barno est un a$$hat complet. C'est la guerre.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, I think I'm starting to understand French!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, I think I'm starting to understand French!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 10:08 PM

Hmmm.... I'm trying, but I only understand Spanish and Arabic. (And a little Italian)

Posted by: PBL4 | January 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Some things need very little translation Kost! Good to se you back again mate. And congrats on the fantasy league win!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh sorry Marc, I almost forgot.

Allez les peaux!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks mate, that reminds me, I'll have to organise the charity stuff sometime this week.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yep, just let me know where to mail the cheque, virtually or otherwise. It was a lot of fun, thanks for organizing it. Shall we try again next year, but maybe with less of the disinterested Aussies?

Oh, and who is going to stop SMACK's juggernaut on the EPL?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey -- save the Mac vs. PC debate for sometime around Feb 20, when the 14th round of mock drafts is up and we're debating the finer points of which 267 lb. DE we're going to draft if we can just trade up to #13.

Posted by: daggar | January 14, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, definitely, I'm sure we can find some more RI's to replace my bum mates.


As for SMACK, I think he has it in the bag, 2 game lead, we won't catch that, it's not like the NFL Fantasy where it all comes down to one game.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmm...cue Barno railing against the "beat radio guy"..

Posted by: PDiddy | January 14, 2008 08:18 PM

I actually like Bram Weinstein. Plus, who doesn't love the "I'm Bram Weinstein!" after every one of his reports. Loved it on 980, and love it on 730.

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Barno, on the other hand, doesn't even know what a minority is, so what's he doing up here preaching?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 14, 2008 08:21 PM

Yes, I don't know what a minority is. Neither do you.

You think you do. But you have no idea...

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I don't know what a minority is. Neither do you.

You think you do. But you have no idea...

Posted by: barno | January 14, 2008 10:45 PM

As Megskin once memorably said "cue the f*ckwittery".

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I can say that Bill Cowher DID NOT interview friday, saturday or sunday. He was at an AAU basketball tournament held in Pine Hills NC all weekend.

His daughter plays basketball at ravenscroft(same school as emily proctor by the way), and my wife's sister plays for a private school rival in Raleigh.

So that is the Korean "racists" remarks, since the term has been thrown around by a certain few like a colds on a NY subway.

Also, if Saunders leaves...does that buy JC another 1, 2 or 3 years?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll say that if it is not GW, then Cambell has got to be praying for a west coast offense kind of guy like Jim Mora JR, his zone blocking techniques could also benefit our aging offensive line and CP at the same time.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, if Saunders leaves...does that buy JC another 1, 2 or 3 years?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 10:50 PM

Hard to see how the introduction of yet another offensive scheme buys JC anything. You'd also almost certainly be looking for both a #2 and #3 QB as Brunell will probably retire and Collins will follow Saunders wherever as he's only value is in Saunders' system.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Also, I keep seeing people speculating that Schwartz would come to DC and take over the defense if Williams is promoted. That's not a given is it? Wouldn't the Skins have to compensate with draft picks as Schwartz is already under contract and was allowed to DC to interview for the HC role, NOT the d coord role.

And I don't think giving him a vanity title like "Associate Grand Panjandrum, Defense" really gets around that, no matter how big the salary be. Grand High Pooh-bah maybe, Grand Panjandrum never.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I could see Henne going to us in round 4/5.
But a #2 option is a little more difficult...depending on the scheme, Leftwich, Harrington, Carr, Losman, Anderson...

None really excite do they? I'll say it again, it is make it or break it for JC this season!

And what do the apologists have to say?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

That's a good point about Collins staying with Saunders, I hadn't thought about that.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

And what do the apologists have to say?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:02 PM

I believe they would say "sorry" dbussjd.

Is this a trick question? I was told there would be no test.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

point taken....

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

OC: Jim Mora Jr DC:Schwartz(4-3)/Ryan(3-4)
HC: Holmgren/Cowher

Or...Jim Mora Jr HC, and OC Russ Grimm

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I think if Holmgren leaves Seattle, it's to retire, not to go elsewhere. And if that does happen, would that make Mora the leading candidate there?

dbussjd, you seem convinced that the team will be blown up. Is that what you hope or is that what you think? Or are you just coming up with alternatives to the continuity option?

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

What about a scenario that has Gregg Williams HC, and Bill Cowher named team president?

Explains secretive nature, allows Dan to appease the fan base with continuity in hiring Williams, and Cowher is in the building as much as he would have been in NY.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

To answer your question a little less obtusely dbussjd, I think 2008/9 will be a make or break for several younger quarterbacks.

Romo, Vince Young, Leinart, Anderson, Russell, Cutler, Campbell, maybe even Rivers and Manning Minor (LBM) too dependant on how this season ends up for them, all may have something to prove still.

If Jason is on his 457th new offensive scheme in the last 7 years by then, I suggest he may be only a few bad games from the QB's junkyard, or the Miami Dolphins as it's better known.

I know you guys are all preaching 'continuity' on here, but I woul dsay it may be more important for your offense than your defense next year. There are plenty of people who run similar defenses, even people in-house who may have absorbed enough to run something without Williams, but I think if you change your offense, you may need a much larger turnover of personnel than you can afford. Effectively you'll have blown the whole thing up anyway if you lose Saunders.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I honestly don't know if the team will be "blown up" from a front office standpoint, nor am I sure that I like that idea either.

If Gregg does NOT get hired, it would be tough to imagine many of the assistants and associate head coaches staying on don't you think?

Hence, a possible bow up...which could lead to a blown up roster as well.

I feel like...Until a Team President/GM is hired, we will be mired between 5-11 and 9-7 teams

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I think what happens with Anderson is interesting, will the Browns keep him around while they have Brady Quinn in the wings?

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Keep all of the Qb's except Cutler, Manning, and Russell.

Cutler seems to be forcing Shannahan to consider a change in schemes(according to Pat Kirwan)

The Giants seem to be adapting to Manning instead of vice versa

Russell only has a handful of starts, and might get the four years that Carr had in Houston

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

all of the other qb's I agree with

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

JC's grasp of the offense has been characterized by some talent evaluators as "tenuous".
The question is, will the game 'slow down' for him. If so, he has all the tools. He can learn a playbook, even if it's not the current 700 pages. We can assume an improved o-line (really can't get much worse than last year). We can assume a slight upgrade in receivers (but health is the more important factor).
He's had a couple of injury scares, now, but with luck he's not had anything that requires the whole reconstruction/rehab cycle.
There is, in short, nothing standing in his way -- whether Saunders is here or not.

Posted by: daggar | January 14, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

What do you think of the influx of spread offenses in the college game and how it is going to/and has to some degree, a huge negative impact on the quarterback play in the nfl?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I humbly suggest that Brady Quinn's current situation eerily parallels the old Quantum Physics problem known as "Schrodinger's Cat".

That is, until his quantumsState is "fixed" by his being "observed" (getting on the field to play) he exists in a quantum states of both "alive" (good) and "dead" (Cleo Lemon) simultaneously.

This represents an interesting chellenge for Cleveland, as until he can be "observed", his trade value is currently both "50% live" and "50% dead". Therefore statistically speaking, Cleveland are better off trading him at this point, as to "observe" him may be to "fix" his quantum state at "100% Cleo Lemon" which would be disastrous for them, yet still fairly lucrative for Mr Quinn himself. QED.

Ergo, smart thinking says Cleveland trades Quinn and keeps Anderson as he has been "observed" to be good. Which means they'll do the exact opposite.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the campbell comments, although I must confess I am not a fan of Campbell at all.

Disregard taking Henne in the 4/5 if no quarterback has been drafted by us by rounds 6/7 then go ahead.

If not, let's take John David Booty. Erik Ainge could also be available in Henne's spot as well.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"although I must confess I am not a fan of Campbell at all."

really dbussed? i never could have guessed....

and its john david bootay, big bootay!

(Buckaroo Bonzai anyone?)

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Buckaroo Bonzai? Was that the smaller, cheaper, Japanese version cL?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Coat, I'd give you major props for linking all of the major themes of scientific thought to Fins quarterbacks, except that there have been so many of them that it's not the same kind of challenge.

Posted by: daggar | January 14, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, to me it seems very similar to the situation the Chargers were in a few years ago, with Brees and Rivers.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

redcoat are you telling me you haven't seen Buckaroo Bonzai???? rectify that bro!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I know Cload, I can't even list them all for the last two seasons because I've only got 7 fingers on each of my 3 hands. :)

The rule of thumb(s) is basically; "EVERY NFL quarterback will start for Miami at some point in their career, no matter how medicre that is". Even Todd Collins will start for us before he gets to the mandatory Miami QB retirement age of 62*, just you wait and see....

* = 39 in "Marino" years.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

.... so I'd say they can't afford to trade Quinn because of the cap cost, and they can't re-sign Anderson, because after his season he'll be after starter money and they won't be able to afford 2 high priced QB's, which means he hits the market, and the Browns are looking for a reliable vet for their #2 QB.

Posted by: kost52 | January 14, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry cL, I was trying to get a cheap laugh at your expense as the film is Buckaroo BAnzai (whereas a BOnzai is a miniature Japanese tree) like such as, maps, etc.

Sorry, I'll leave quietly officer.

But no I haven't seen it, but now I will. Mrs Redcoat did get me to watch "Johnny Dangerously" though last week and I loved it. Does that count?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I banish JC to the 8th dimension...

How about that Chris and Larry?

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Re: Betts.

I like Betts; I think he has done an admirable job filling in, but I think we should shop him for a 3rd rounder. Look at the Falcons-- they could desperately use someone who could step in to the starting role, or even the Browns (to complement Jamal Lewis) if they don't go after Michael Turner, or Houston, who lacks consistency at RB. I'm just saying... wasn't Cooley a 3rd rounder? While I like Betts, I think Rock has the overall package and I think Marcus Mason could be a great find if worked with. Of course, there is ol' Mike Sellers, too. Shoot, Sellers could easily fill in as a #2 back and we all know he'd love more hand-offs. Rewind your mind to Sellers against the Lions. Now do you see?

Besides, this year's draft is so deep at RB this year we could pick up Steve Slaton or another quality back in the third round if we really wanted to (like we did with Cooley, an HB). But we don't need to. Even if CP is on his way out, we have next year's draft to pick up a new RB if he stinks and the others don't work out (but you watch and see-- good O-Line production = CP having a great season... bad O-Line production and CP is STILL the #3 back in the NFL). Rock is a core Redskin and good returner, CP is a mean blocker, Sellers is a tank, and Mason could have some potential there.

If it were me as the GM, I'd be looking to go (in the draft):

Round 1- DE
Round 2- Posession WR (someone tall who can be a real #2... don't get me wrong, I love ARE) I'd say James Hardy would be my pick if available.
Round 3- OG
Round 3 (Betts?)- CB
Round 5- LB
Round 6- FB (Jacob Hester and some of the other FBs in the draft are pretty bad arse)
Round 7- OT

I'd also be looking to get Albert Haynesworth, Alan Faneca, Lance Briggs, and Asante Samuel in Free Agency and hope to snag at least 2 of those guys.

Thoughts?

Posted by: TDawg | January 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

dbussjd, just curious... what QB do you think the Skins could (realitically) get as a long term (4-5 years) improvement over JC? Please, name names.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

...lapsed into The Beat Reporter dimension there... the parenthetical word I was looking for was realistically.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

yeah, hardy would fit the bill as a receiver that we need...6-7 4.58 40.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the fact that it is allegedly "quiet....to quiet" around the park doesn't mean diddly poo.

In fact, it reminds me of about a week ago when the glaring dearth of words sounding like "Gregg Williams" coming from Dan Snyder's lips portended certain doom for the seemingly obvious choice to replace Joe Gibbs.

In case certain folks haven't noticed, Snyder has not yet fulfilled the Rooney Rule, so with the sword of Roger "Damocles" Goodell hanging above his head, he's not gonna do anything that makes it look like he's made up his mind on Gibbs' successor.

So, yeah.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

alan you give me parameters to work under and i'd be happy to

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

For those of you regulars who know me... I have an announcement. I, TDawg, am beginning training to play NCAA football for Indiana University next year. Am I 23 and most likely ineligible? Yes. Have I played football since 8th grade? No.

But never you mind. I'm a student of the game, and a 6'1" 285 lbs. at that. Does that give away which position I'm training for?

Oh yeah. Fullback, baby. I'm gonna try to get to a lean 265 of pure muscle, try to make the team, try to play actually, then subsequently try to make into the NFL (likely through the CFL first).

Laugh now, but wouldn't that be cool if I actually DID make something of myself?!??! Oh man. That'd be the awesomest story ever. Mark it here, all of you friends o' mine. This is sure to become a piece of "this day in the RI blog history" history.

TDawg "Da Fullback", out.

Posted by: TDawg | January 14, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

nice debussed, niiice

Posted by: chrislarry | January 14, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

he shouted 'bonzai!' as he expertly trimmed his bonsai qhilst watching 'buckaroo banzai.'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

tdawg the next rudy?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Buckaroo Banzai... one of the few movies I saw in the theater when I was young and poor. My review: "That was $7 and two hours I'll never get back".
On TV, several years later, before blogging while intoxicated had been invented (you can submit the royalties to me anytime!), it was a bit better. I imagine the alcohol tab came to about .... $7. A much more satisfying investment.

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, I wish you the best of luck. Get the "Adam Archuleta Workout" on DVD. Seriously. You will not regret it.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, I like Betts as a #2 runner. He's proven he can carry the load as a #1, the RB equivalent of The Todd.

Remember, we lost our 3rd rounder for one year worth of Duckett, and he's never showed the kind of NFL durability (a very important quality!) and production Betts has.

Betts to me is like a reliable car you've already paid for and kept good maintenance on... probably more valuable to its owner than its re-sale value would be.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Good luck TDawg!

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Buckaroo Banzai is an underappreciated work, to be sure. He is also my hero: rock star, neurosurgeon, savior of the world. What's not to like?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

And grow a goatee.

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

My thoughts on "mock" drafts...It's stupid.

How many times do the experts give us the 411 on the players and the position they'll go in , only to be "shocked amazed and dumbfounded" when they aren't taken in those slots?

Want to learn about draft positions and who goes where? Read articles by Gil Brandt or listen to he or Pat Kirwan on Sirius radio

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

daggar, movies were 7$ in 1984 where you lived? dang. ahead of the curve.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

alan you give me parameters to work under and i'd be happy to

Posted by: dbussjd | January 14, 2008 11:56 PM

It's your world... trade away whomever you have to, and let's see what's left. Consider who's availble--free agent, draft picks.

If you think JC can't do the job, you must be comparing him to someone.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, diddy and CL!

I say the above in a jokish fashion, but in all seriousness I am indeed going for it. Call it a "quarter-life crisis," if you wish, but I think I'm built to handle the FB load and I'm going to give it a shot. I'm sure I'll know by the first time I get laid-out if I'm cut out for it. But yes, a Rudy story fo' sho'!

The only question I've asked myself... what if Dallas was the only team that wanted me someday? That'd be a tough call.

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, go for it, dude!

Why would you be ineligible? I don't think age factors into it, just years played.

I can be your agent when you hit the big time. I don't know anything about being an agent, but I would be willing to sit through "Jerry McGuire" up to four more times in order to learn.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 15, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

And, for us History Channel aficionados, Peter Weller is now a History professor.

I kind of think of it as penance.

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, I wish you the best of luck, but it would be more impressive if it were a Division I school.


I keed, I keed.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

In case certain folks haven't noticed, Snyder has not yet fulfilled the Rooney Rule, so with the sword of Roger "Damocles" Goodell hanging above his head, he's not gonna do anything that makes it look like he's made up his mind on Gibbs' successor.

So, yeah.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2008 11:55 PM

I think GW has the sword of Ron Jeremy haning over his head...because if you ask me...it definitely looks like he's about to get F'd.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Nate: movie + popcorn + drink = $7?

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, kost! And I promise to keep in touch with the RI board if it works out.

Honestly, you might laugh, but I got inspired by Ephraim's story at the NFL superad site about the dude in the grocery store making it in the NFL after walking on to his college team with no experience. Unfortunately, I don't have the size or speed for a lot of positions-- I think really FB could be the only ones where a 6'1", 285 guy who runs a 4.9 40 could go. I can block and run, but catching isn't really my thing.

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

You guys had popcorn and drinks at your movie theaters when you were kids?

You must've been ahead of the curve.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 15, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I saw another 80's quasi-punk Paul Weller at the 9:30 Club a couple yrs ago.

what happened to Peter Weller's career? Banzai, Robocop, Naked Lunch... too weird?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

A-I have stated that I compare him to Jay Schroeder without the "good year" before williams took his spot in the starting role, and to Akili Smith(no explanation needed)

And I would take ANY young quarterback who hasn't been forced to learn 6 different offenses in the last 7 years...or is it 8 and 9?

Point is...if he had any talent the offense would have been tailored to HIS skills, not asked said QB to learn yet another offense.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I think GW has the sword of Ron Jeremy haning over his head...because if you ask me...it definitely looks like he's about to get F'd.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 12:08 AM

LMGO!!! Funniest post of the day!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

don't know if anyone posted this and if so, my apologies. Here's a link to the Cowboys blog; sort of their equivalent of RI.

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/

Go take a sneak peek. Especially fun was the first post after the loss. Amid the mass calls for Phillips to resign and Romo/Crayton to be sacked, one guy even calls for Joe Gibbs to coach the team! :)

Posted by: hailbg | January 15, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Jay Schroeder's Cat?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, I wish you the best of luck, but it would be more impressive if it were a Division I school.


I keed, I keed.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:07 AM


Nate, nice burn! But you see-- this is why I could possibly make the team. We have some okay guys, but only a few special players (Hardy, the WR, is going to the NFL). I think it's realistic if I work hard... but I probably should try to come up with a back-up position for FB. I don't think I'm fast enough for LB, and too small for a lineman.

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

i too saw Buckaroo Banzai in the theater and loved every second of it....also saw time bandits...and clash of the titans...and flash gordon...and...dragon slayer...

lisa i am a proud nerd!

flash...he saved everyone of us!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Before I call it a night, I give apologies to all for my faulty maths (physics?) from earlier.

Of course until he is "fixed by observation" Brady Quinn's quantum states are both "100% live" (good) AND "100% dead" (Cleo Lemon), and NOT "50%" for each as I stated previously.

But, this does still give him an average quantum state (trade value) of "50% Cleo Lemon" for Cleveland right now which could still plummet to 100% Cleo Lemon if he actually gets on the field.

So they should still trade him like what I said earlier.

Thankyou, and good night. :)

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Me too, cL, me too.

But there was no movie I saw more times in the theater on its first run than that preposterous adolescent anti-commie fantasy 'Red Dawn,' which I saw at least ten times.

I seriously think those tickets were like three bucks each. Worth every penny.

"Wolverines!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

dbuss, sometimes it's just bad luck. Lavar Arrington had to learn a bunch of defenses, but not for lack of talent. Granted, he found a way to excel anyway, but the coaches eventually Ron Jeremied him (to borrow from dchandl).

I stated before, I don't think Patrick Ramsey got a fair shot here... I think it takes most QBs a couple of seasons to get comfortable. But Gibbs hates turnovers, and JC throws less interceptions than Ramsey did if you attribute his end-of-game-killing interceptions to being rookie-like mistakes. I think he can overcome that.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

red dawn is cold war paranoia heaven....got it on DVD if anyone wants to borrow?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Point is...if he had any talent the offense would have been tailored to HIS skills, not asked said QB to learn yet another offense.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:12 AM

And the award for most misguided comment of the night goes to....

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I was just thinking, with Gibbs now gone, are we required to lose all the Gibbsisms (Guts out, swinging souls, up here), and take on whoeverthenewcoachisisms?

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Is there an award for comment which best exemplifies what Sartre referred to as "bad faith"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

crap, kost, you're right, we'll have to learn all new catchphrases up here.

nobody said this would be easy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I just had a worse thought, what if we get a coach who doesn't have any isms????

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I thought it had already been decided that we would soldier on with "guts out," "up here," etc., even in the absence of their coiner.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 15, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

"Guts out" is a Skins classic now. We can still learn some whoeverthenewcoachisisms, but I can't imagine a Skins team that's doesn't fight its guts out every week!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I certainly hope so...per/your exercise It was difficult to come up with a QB 22-26 years old and who would not cost a kings ransom much less be available.

Anderson came to mind, but I think that he is a legitimate six week wonder. Once DC's started scheming he cooled off considerably.

However I'm willing to revisit this discussion with you once we have hired a HC and know who the OC will be.

I'll say that if it is Mora, JC has a REAL shot at improving his game immediately.

His BEST years at Auburn came with a steady dose of Williams and Brown under a zone blocking scheme WITH a full back, and JC dropping back five steps and "bombing it" or rolling out and hitting crossing patterns.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

Which team did Sartre coach?

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

point is, Mike Shannahan would LOVE Vince Young or Jason Campbell.

Mora Jr. like Shannahan runs the west coast with mobile quarterbacks

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

PBL-YOUR quarterback needs an OC that can be hired specifically to take advantage of Jason's skill set.

If one is not hired or al stays...your boy is screwed by the NFL law of attrition.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Sartre had some sweet coachisms, cochise.

Too bad only MArk from the future and Redcoat and charlie could make any sense of it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

OK, let's revist when we've got some coaches in place.

I think it's worth pointing out that for all the Romomania, he's under the gun now for "blowing it" at the end of games, too. And he's got a dozen Pro-Bowlers around him (if you beleive the hype).

Out of curiousity, what's your take on Ramsey, talent-wise? NFL material?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

A dozen pro bowlers around him... just like Jesus!?!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Taken from the Dallas Morning News' Cowboys blog:


Posted by shane @ 8:59 PM Mon, Jan 14, 2008

Its funny how some of the Cowboy players are so distraught over this loss. In retrospect, the Cowboys are a5-11 team with a few lucky breaks that went their way. The Giants are a better team and now, the Eagles and Redskins are both better teams as well. Next year we will finish in last place in the nfc east. Two years in a row we lose in our first playoff game. Even if Romo doesn't fumble the snap and we kick the field goal last year, does anyone really think that our defense woulkd have kept Seattle from scoring? Heck no! They have been very over-rated all year and this is the consequence. We fans bought into the hype. If the two teams (giants and cowboys)played tomorrow, the giants would win again. Their beat up secondary is far superior to ours. Their quarterback is better. Their receivers are better. Their offensive line is better. Their defensive line is better. Face it, they out-man us in every aspect of the game.They only reason everyone is suprised is because of the hype that the media gave this team.

:-D :-D :-D Stuff like this makes me so happy.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Ah, Schadenfreude, my old Freund, good to see you again.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I like this "shane" person!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I just hope SMACK hadn't had too much of the Celine in his system after that loss. He seemed to be all right when he was up here, but that stuff stays in your system... you can have some wicked flashbacks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

come back, Shane!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

If the 'Skins ever got rid of their offensive nickname (cue 3rd flame bait RI thread of the day!), Washington Wolverines! (with the exclamation point) would be pretty nice. Not that Wolverines are indigenous to DC or anything.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

PBL-YOUR quarterback needs an OC that can be hired specifically to take advantage of Jason's skill set.

If one is not hired or al stays...your boy is screwed by the NFL law of attrition.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 15, 2008 12:45 AM

I think Soupy has all the tools. He just needs to get more training in a gametime situation, needs to have the game slow down for him. Learn to read defenses, etc., etc. I really hope Weird Al stays, for the sake of continuity for Jason.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Where is that Boofer kid?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

And Diddy, we could keep the same logo, just add some fur.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Not that Wolverines are indigenous to DC or anything.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 01:04 AM

I was gonna say... what does that have to do w/ Washington?? Might as well go with Washington Polar Bears or something like that....

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

So this coaching search deal is going to draaaaaaaag on for, what, a couple more days, at least?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

How about the Washington Foggy Bottoms?

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Wombats.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

That was for you, kost.

Washington Wallabies has a nice ring to it, but it's a little too cutesy. And it now connotes creamy Aussie-style yogurt.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm serious....you know how when the players are coming out of the tunnel and the fog machines are cranking it up....we could have just a couple of huge bare asses (or an image of Barno would do, I guess) on either side of the tunnel with huge amounts of "fog" coming out of them. And given his nom de plume...fartstriker could be like an honorary mascot or something. Thoughts?

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Hard to pass up an opportunity to get 'fartstriker' on the record, ain't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

It does have a nicer ring to it than dchandl3.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, your handle doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, or lend itself to clever nicknamey truncation, or like such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I've always thought the Washington Supermajority had a nice ring to it.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 15, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Weevils.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Wolverines!

What a ridiculous little movie. I need to get that Special Edition DVD...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Swayze, Sween, C.Thomas Howell, Jennifer Grey, Harry Dean, Powers Booth, just greatness up and down that roster.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha, thanks Nate, although the Aussie Rugby Union team are known as the Wallabies.

How about the Washington Wallaroos? That's original?

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

If you can come up with something catchier that might lend itself to the Northwest, please feel free to let me know.

Actually, I need something a little more everyman...a bit anonymous. Email it to me though. Sara keeps reading the blog, so I can't post nearly as much as I like. It's hard to convince her how hard I'm working if she keeps seeing me on here.

By the way, honey. I'll be on my way home soon. I love you.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

That would be Powers Boothe with an "e". Kind of like Bigboote!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 15, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I think you guys are forgetting a key component of any renaming activities, i.e what to do about the cheerleaders. We can't forget about them...nor would we want to.

So, I propose that any name that we come up with has to have a name that you can end in -ettes. (as in The Redkinettes)We don't want to let these ladies down.
http://www.redskins.com/cheerleaders/roster.jsp

Such as...the Weevilettes...yes, it works. Not my favorite, but for the purpose of this exercise, it passes the mustard.

The Supermajorityettes...not so much. Keep working on it 'Zilla.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 15, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Washington Foggy Bottoms/Bottomettes- Hand, I'm in!

I just want Spinal Tap's Big Bottom blaring as the team's intro music (or maybe after each touchdown).

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 15, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

It's very, very quiet in here tonight!

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

POSTED 7:22 p.m. EST, January 14, 2008

WILLIAMS WORRIED ABOUT 'SKINS GIG?

There's talk in league circles that Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who has interviewed twice for a promotion in Washington, is leery about what the job could do to his long-term career interests. Williams, who turns 50 later this year, has already been fired once as a head coach. If it doesn't work out in Washington, he'll be a two-time loser (of course, that didn't hurt Norv Turner or Wade Phillips).

As we hear it, Williams is worried that the inability of Hall of Famer Joe Gibbs to have greater success could mean that it will be near-impossible for a guy who doesn't have a bust in Canton for coaching to get it done.

At a deeper level, the reality is that Gibbs had the clout to overcome V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato and, if necessary, owner Dan Snyder. Williams wouldn't get the same degree of deference.

from pft........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey 4th!

How's it going bud!

Posted by: kost52 | January 15, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Omayra straight heat

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Omar Comin'

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Pft is nuts! Can anyone imagine Williams lacking confidence in himself?

And being made head coach of a storied franchise like the Redskins is a dream job for a coach (minus the Snyder factor). Long term career interests? Please....

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 15, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, PFT is a rumor site so take it for what its worth, although they seem right more often than their wrong...

however "minius the snyder factor" is like saying swiwming in the Amazon is great, accept the pirana.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I think you take a swim CL. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree that that PFT blurb doesn't pass the sniff test, Lisa.

"Leery about what the job could do to his long-term career interests" in another field, perhaps, but not as a football coach!

This job represents the pinnacle of opportunity for Grilliams. Handed the reins to a team he knows inside and out, half of which he has led for four years and which is comprised of his hand-picked dudes! A team coming off a playoff run, however brief! A spendthrift owner! And a front office with whose weaknesses and failings, however numerous and grievous, he is intimately familiar, so he won't be surprised.

The notion that he would be up for a job situation even comparable to this, much less a better job, is ludicrous.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Nate, those are some great points. I think PFT should have written just the opposite, that GWill, is so anxious to succeed in his second coaching opportunity, that he's completely focused on this, and nothing else.

It makes no sense for him to be looking past this??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Greg.

Now, if you had an inkling you might not be the leading candidate for the job, you might float something like this to "league circles." As a defensive measure, to get out ahead of the story. He IS a defensive coach, after all.

But as something we're supposed to believe that Grilliams might be thinking, I don't buy it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Could be something of substance there. PFT had the Gibbs situation nailed. If Williams is the right guy, after years of working with Gibbs, then why the long wait....?

Posted by: i155133 | January 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

And we haven't had word that his phone is ringing for any other jobs, have we? Last offseason or this?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

i155133, the long wait is because they're doing a real search, conducting real, legitimate interviews with a field of legitimate candidates, including one or more persons of colour!

I personally believe that had they crowned him immediately as Gibbs' successor, that would have run afoul of the Rooney Rule, unless that $1 million buyout-if-not-the-next-coach could be considered a contractual agreement to make him the head coach, or whatever the Rooney Loophole is.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't even been a full week, has it, since Gibbs stepped down. But thanks to the Internets it feels like it's been a fortnight.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I disagree about PFT having the Gibbs situation nailed. They pretty much admitted that for the past 2-3 years they've reported that Gibbs is stepping down, and went as far as to say that one of these day's they were going to get it right, because he eventually would be stepping down.

Whats that saying, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

That idiot Steve Czaban just lambasted the WaPo this morning - thinks the sports section sucks. Czaban said the Redskins are the biggest sports entity in this area and we are without a coach. He said until we get a coach there should be a front page story EVERY day on the search - not a short article buried on page 4.

Czaban also INSISTS that our new coach will be Cowher. He said when Gibbs was brought in it was a complete shock and not the coaches Snyder was interviewing at the time. So now it will not be the "usual suspects" either. Czaban said Snyder said very little about Cowher (which to him means he has targeted him), he is being very secretive taking the candidates to his house for interviews, and that Cowher has not officially said he will not coach here...only sources "close to him" have said that.

Posted by: Lisa | January 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Caldwell as OC?

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 14, 2008 04:38 PM

This is possible as it would be a move up for him. He's currently "Asst HC/QBs". (Tom Moore is the Colt OC.) So if they want to replace Al they could go this way. Of course, if Dungy steps down he may become the Colts' HC.

On D there are three candidates already here to become DC - Blache, Olivadotti and Gray.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree with everyone on here, I doubt the GW is worried about snyder and cerrato. He has scene the way gibbs dealt with them and has probubly figured out a way to do so as well. If he was worried about that he had his opportunity to leave a couple times.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 15, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

That idiot Steve Czaban just lambasted the WaPo this morning - thinks the sports section sucks.
he is being very secretive taking the candidates to his house for interviews, and that Cowher has not officially said he will not coach here...only sources "close to him" have said that.
Posted by: Lisa | January 15, 2008 08:51 AM

This guy shouldnt have a job from that last sentence alone, "only sources close to him" Cowher doesnt want to come back this year and Im sure hes tired of addressing it, hes said it before and the more he denies it on camerea, the more veryone thinks hes going to coach this year so its better for him not to address it at all, and just use his sources to tell everyone.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that that was the first time that the Giants and the Pokes have met in the playoffs!

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 15, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Haven't been able to post much lately, so I am trying to catch up with everything:
- No comments on the Rooney rule, enough seems to have been said.
- I am for Williams as HC, no need to bring in anyone from outside for DC.
- Not sure what will happen with Al Saunders, but Campbell should be able to handle moving on to a new scheme, hopefully an easier one.
- If they do happen to take another QB in the draft, Joe Flacco from Delaware is the hidden gem of the draft (maybe not so hidden though).
- I liked Norv; he got screwed. In 2000 we were a kicker and a Stephen Davis goal line fumble away from winning the division. We needed a kicker, not a new coach.
- Best commercial on TV right now is the 2 dudes beat boxin the chicken mcnuggets song. Can't beleive they didn't save that commercial for the super bowl.

Peace.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 15, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey dlhaze,

I've often wondered what would have happened if after our heart breaking loss to Tampa Bay in the second round in the 1999 playoffs if we would have kept that roster intact instead of "blowing it up" with old out of their prime former pro-bowlers. The ridiculous free agent spending spree destroyed the chemistry of that team and cost Norv his job. But the other side of me says one playoff appearance in 7 years wasn't good enough. Norv always seemed to be close to making the playoffs, only to loose a "must win" game.

Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

In honour of Nate's reference to Sartre last night, my favourite quote by him:

"If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I'm still waiting, it's all been to seduce women basically"

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey, to be the mascot for the DC Foggy Bottoms (dchandl3, 1:31 AM) it's tempting to change my handle.

But "fartstriker" wouldn't make me happy in the end.

Posted by: farstriker | January 15, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'd be the butt of too many jokes.

Posted by: farstriker | January 15, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

FA:
Bryant Johnson (Big, Posession WR)
Max Starks (Young OT)
Jordan Gross (Young OG)
Marcus Trufant (Young CB)
Josh Brown (Experienced K)

Feel free to pick apart

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2008 06:11 PM

Likey the idea of adding two OLmen. If they can swing a deal for Faneca under the cap, especially if he wouldn't mind playing LG if Thomas is healthy. I thought of drafting an OT in round one. I'm assuming Jansen is finished. Wade could start at RT unless Heyer improves in the offseason the way Montgomery did last year. But we need to be grooming young players... Max Starks surely has the size.

I'm not concerned with about the WRs. Size is more of a factor in the red zone. Maybe we bring back McCants.

Trufant did impress, I have to say, though I'd want to look at the films of the Green Bay game. At any rate, if Rogers isn't 100% in '08 we may need some help. But I thought Torrence played real well this year.

Last year we signed two high priced FAs, Smoot and Fletcher. If we think in terms of signing only two, I'm thinking maybe we sign Briggs and Faneca. With McIntosh coming off of injury and Marcus on the downhill we could use another LB, even if it's thought Blades plays a lot more in '08.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 15, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

GGG took over a Buffalo team with an over-the-hill Drew Bledsoe and a rebuilding process with the whole team.

When GGG left Buffalo, Mike Mularkey took over and the situation was so grim he decided to quit before his second season, ushering in the return of Marv Levy as GM and Dick Jauron to continue rebuilding.

Even so, GGG coached Buffalo to a mediocre record, a .500-ish performance.

I think GGG will do a good job if he gets the job, but the team will not be like a Gibbs team at all. It'll be more like Jacksonville under Jack Del Rio. Tough, smashmouth.

Posted by: mirf59 | January 15, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Hey dlhaze,
I've often wondered what would have happened if after our heart breaking loss to Tampa Bay in the second round in the 1999 playoffs if we would have kept that roster intact instead of "blowing it up" with old out of their prime former pro-bowlers. The ridiculous free agent spending spree destroyed the chemistry of that team and cost Norv his job. But the other side of me says one playoff appearance in 7 years wasn't good enough. Norv always seemed to be close to making the playoffs, only to loose a "must win" game.
Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 09:13 AM
I think where they really went wrong was letting Trent Green walk away as a free agent. We had quite the kicker and QB carousels going from 98-2000. Guess you could say that the bottom line was that we "lacked continuity" with all of the moves they made. I for one do not blame Norv for this, I think it was all Danny and Vinnie. Maybe if they had just let Brad Johnsonm get a little comfortable without Jeff George in there it would be a different story. Having said all that, I still think the 2000 team was pretty good. Again, just a few missed field goals and fumbles basically killed the season for us. We were 6-2 at one point. The one thing I will criticize Norv for is his lack of emphasis on defense. This is what will bring the Chargers down......watch, in a year or two their awesome defense with all of it's playmakers will be in the bottom third of the rankings, while the offense will be able to keep them in some games. Just like the 99 Skins.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 15, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Cut: Lloyd, Jansen, Kendall, Springs, Suisham, Caldwell, McCardell, Brunell

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 14, 2008 06:11 PM

I'm for keeping Kendall as a backup. I'm also for keeping Springs and Suisham. Caldwell and McCardell should at least be invited to camp and compete with some youngbloods.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 15, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

In response to the "cut" post.

Kendall was very good for us last year, and is cheap, and under contract for another year, so why would you want to cut him?

Brunell, Caldwell, McCardell, I'm pretty sure all of their contracts are up after this year anyway, and I'd want to bring back Caldwell as a #4 wide-out.

The FA list above, is exactly what got this team in trouble back in 2000. Lets focus on the draft instead.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Trent Green leave in part because of our ownership limbo, the Howard Milstein thing?

That was the critical departure in a "lost offseason" when it wasn't clear who would own the team, much less coach and GM it. As I recall. Not exactly happy times around here, to be sure.

Would that we had had this blog back then! What hay we would have made. Alas.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman,

sorry but you sorat have me scratching my head:

- Assuming Jansen is done. Big assumption there that you better hope aint true considering the salary. How bouts we see how he heals huh?

- "Maybe we bring back McCants" HUH? Why would we bring back a cat who couldn't make the team 3 years ago when we had worse WRs and hasnt caught on w/ another team?

- Kendell as a back up? Did you watch last season? That vet is a straight baller who we have signed pretty cheap. Mark him and Samuels down next year in Sharpie and worry about the right side and some youth depth...bench Kendall...wow..

Here is my suggestion as an exstenstion of skinsfanman

Babe Laufenberg at QB, Leslie Sheppard for some speed a WR, and maybe look to replace Monty and Golston with some youth at D tackle...


wow I am cranky this morning...but at least were argueing ya know football..

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Not that the team didn't made a slew of personnel mistakes after Danny took over, for which he should be roundly criticized (I wish someone would have the courage to step up and criticize him!)!

Just that the Trent Green departure (and whatever other opportunities we missed in that strange time) cannot be on our list of grievances for the Current Owner.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Why on earth would we cut Kendall?? He came in after training camp and performed at a very high level. We also gave up a draft pick for him.

Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Sup Kost! I missed you earlier....


The Joseph White from the AP who covers the Redskins reported that Monday's interview was Gregg Williams 3rd interview, (according to sources close to the situation). He was 1st interviewed on Wednesday, then Friday, and Monday. I don't know if the Wednesday meeting was reported.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

LOL, CL, you get the post of the day for using both, Babe Laufenberg, and Leslie Shepherd in the same sentence.

Might I suggest that Todd Leibenstein, defense, and Mo Elonowibi, offense, be brought back for depth on the lines as well. Perhaps someone could look into the availability of Otis Wonsley as well?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

As far as a new name goes, they should just go with the Washington Super Smarts. Honor Gibbs and make the team look good at the same time.

Posted by: -swb | January 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The reason we lost Trent Green was because of the team being placed in trust and put up for bids. I think the trust forbid the Redskins from issuing any contracts until the team had a new owner. That really hurt us as we lost Trent Green and a couple of young talented defensive ends. The sale happened late in free agency so several of our players weren't willing to wait to see who the new owner would be.

Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Seems like we could use a new post -- yoo hoo, washingtonpost.com Sports Editor -- to get the day started up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

We should immediately cut John Jansen and bring back Shar Pourdanish immediately. He has been out of the league for a while, so he should be rested and ready to dominate!

Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

jimwell, thanks, the "limbo" I remember was that trust you mention.

Stupid trust.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I hate that trust...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Let's cut Jansen. Forget the fact that he was laying fools out in the run game just over a year ago, cut his rear end! Let's replace him with Todd "rollerskates" Wade, who is only about a year younger than he is.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Better yet we can replace him with a young undrafted kid who isn't ready. That way we can leave Cooley in to block on every play. That would kill two birds with one stone, get rid of our best tackle and make our biggest threat in the passing game block.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Rollerskates, Flapjacks, Maps... it's gonna be a fun offseason!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Seems like we could use a new post -- yoo hoo, washingtonpost.com Sports Editor -- to get the day started up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 09:53 AM

AKA "The Beat Reporter"

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

(correction) Best RT not best tackle.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

POSTED 9:30 a.m. EST, January 15, 2008
MORA TO 'SKINS?
Seahawks defensive backs coach Jim Mora reportedly is a candidate for the head-coaching job in Washington.
Mora, who was 27-23 in three seasons as coach of the Falcons, lost his job there a year ago due in part to a radio interview in which he mused openly about the fact that he'd quit the Falcons in a heartbeat to return to Seattle and coach the University of Washington Huskies.
In an irony to top all ironies, the Falcons lost Mora's successor under eerily similar circumstances.
But given the manner in which the Falcons organization has imploded over the past year, it could be that their decision to dump Mora was a huge mistake, and that as a result a competent and skilled former head coach is now available for hire.
As a practical matter, the Redskins' interest in Mora will make collars a little tighter in Seattle, since the 'Hawks are now waiting to find out whether the Big Show will come back for a tenth season as head coach. If he decides to stay, or if he takes too long to make his decision, Mora might be on the move.
We've given Mora a hard time in the past, but we also think that he's a damn good coach, and that he is destined to return to a top job with one of the franchises not in Atlanta, and to succeed.
In fact, new Falcons G.M. Tom Dimitroff would be very wise, in our view, to suggest to his boss(es) the possibility of fixing 12 months of bad karma by bringing back Mora.

from PFT.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I'd prefer Mora's dad. If nothing else, the post game press conferences would be a lot of fun.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 15, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't much care for this Jim Mora Jr. fellow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

just wanted to say that this search for coach matter has been handled with class by dan snyder. i really think that this team and organization has turned the corner since the aftermath of Sean Taylor's death. Snyder did a lot of things right and it didn't go unnoticed.

as long as it's not cowher i'll support any decision he makes.

then again as my fav. radio personality said "snyder shouldn't care about what fans think".

btw, i think snyder has vinny duck taped in the basement. ergo no leaks.

Posted by: dealer | January 15, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Let's replace him with Todd "rollerskates" Wade, who is only about a year younger than he is.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:10 AM

I believe Wade's official nickname is "Turnstile Todd" sams3, anyone who pays the admission

Do you think Redskins players suffer from sort of teen angst while they wait to get their official (Smoot) nicknames?

It would be fun to think of Stephon Heyer shouting "you like me, you guys really like me!" when he was designated "womanly hips" or whatever it is he's called.

Just sayin' is all.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, premature sending there...

I believe Wade's official nickname is "Turnstile Todd" sams3, anyone who pays the admission can pass through.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Who's gonna be yer coach, Redcoat? Tony Soprano?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"The Joseph White from the AP who covers the Redskins reported that Monday's interview was Gregg Williams 3rd interview, (according to sources close to the situation). He was 1st interviewed on Wednesday, then Friday, and Monday. I don't know if the Wednesday meeting was reported."

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 09:51 AM

I'm thinking that "interview" in Snyder Manor might mean something different from what we think ... and the maybe Grilliams hadn't finishing vaccuuming upstairs and that some of The Owner's cars needed another coat of wax.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

That sadly looks increasingly likely Nate. Presumably the whole team will take on a brooding quality with the hint of terrible violence always bubbling just beneath the surface in honour of our probable coach's (nearly) name.

As long as it's all that "With Beer" we'll be fine. And we'll probably play much better in the Meadowlands of NJ than we have done for a few years, it will be like a home game for us!

FYI Nate, as we couldn't be bothered to cook last night and felt like slowing our family digestive systems to a slow crawl, we dined from the Five Guys down in Ashburn.

Sometimes it just has to be done - great burgers!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Also, I like our Mac b/c I don't seem to need anti-virus software. If not for work providing daily updates and scans for my home PC, I probably would have quit it by now. My previous two PCs were killed (in my mind) by malicious interweb stuff. Seems like owning a PC is like having herpes ... you'll always have it and will always will require treatment. I agree with peeps that I wish alot more of my googahs worked on our Mac. I had assumed every software publishing company was intimidated/coerced/maps/such as by Microsoft ... and that when the Administration settled the anti-trust case against Microsoft for a slap on the wrist, dominance was established forever. I still prefer the browser formerly known as Netscape to the MS Explorer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

You are back in good form, and I like it.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking that "interview" in Snyder Manor might mean something different from what we think ... and the maybe Grilliams hadn't finishing vaccuuming upstairs and that some of The Owner's cars needed another coat of wax.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:28 AM

Aren't you confusing Gregg "third person" Williams with Biff Tannen here 'sween? I can just hear him saying "Gregg Williams will be sure to give it that second coat of wax Mr Snyder, Sir."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on Andre Davis, wideout from Houston. Dude has the size and can also return punts.

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 15, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Why thankyou sams.

I've decided to give up tilting at the windmill formerly known as Barno and concentrate on working to drive down the overall quality of discussion as low as it can possibly go, like such as, maps, etc.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, if I were a GM/coach/player looking for work, seems like Miami would not be a bad place to go. They can only get better, right? Kind of like how the expansion Buccanneers eventually won a Super Bowl.

Also, for the record, I am pro-Barno, pro-Jasno, pro-PC software options, pro-Mac, pro-choice (who doesn't want a choice?), pro-life (who doesn't want life?), anti-Tom Brady, anti-Vrabel, pro-Williams, pro-Saunders, anti-Raquetball Partner, pro-Johnny Dangerously, pro-Harry Dean Stanton, anti-Patrick Swayze, anti-Paris/Brittany/Lindsay Lohan, anti-perspirant, and pro-bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"Any thoughts on Andre Davis, wideout from Houston. Dude has the size and can also return punts."

Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 15, 2008 10:38 AM

I'm pro-Andre Davis

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

shantee, I believe that Davis is on his 3rd or 4th team since entering the league. He was, I believe a 2nd round pick of the Browns, and has also played for the Pats, and the Texans, never really making a niche for himself anywhere. I'd say we're probably just as well keeping Caldwell.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

The only interesting thing I heard about Sparano so far is that HE is supposedly the guy who designed Dallas' offense over the last couple of years and that Garrett was brought in to study under him and take over playcalling this year. If that's so, we should continue the improvement we showed through the season on offense (at least until we ran out of QBs and RBs).

That said we will have to get SO much better on defense to make any progress it's not funny. I think Capers will be toast as soon as we have a new coach and then I'd expect us to try and bring in a Ryan or someone similar to lead the upsteppage we need on D.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm pro-dcsween.

You know who else is pro-dcsween? Jason La Canfora.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

On the free agency front, I'm also pro-Nnamdi Asomugha, pro-O.J. Atogwe, pro-Justin Smith, pro-Terrell Suggs, and pro-Derrick Ward.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Any thoughts on Andre Davis, wideout from Houston. Dude has the size and can also return punts."
Posted by: shanteefamilee | January 15, 2008 10:38 AM

I'm pro-Andre Davis
Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:40 AM

I am anti-Andre Davis. Let the offseason begin........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 15, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Apropos of nothing in particular, does anyone else conjure up an image of a smoky nightclub with free-form jazz trumpet parping in the background while a man sits on a stool centre-stage in a beret, stripy long-sleeve t-shirt and sunglasses, speaking in choppy rhythms when they see the phrase "the Beat Reporter"?

Or maybe it's just me?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Guys, Riche is on the rise. Mark my words.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't Suggs, and Smith basically play the same position? Smith is a DE in a 4-3 scheme, and Suggs is an OLB in a 3-4 scheme?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm also pro-Nnamdi Asomugha, but I wouldn't want him as a set of tiles in Scrabble. Bad news that.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Maynard G. Krebs??

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 15, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Back at ya Nate. I'm pro-RI generally, which includes being pro-Nate, pro-Diddy, pro-chRIs Larry, pro-jm220, pro-Redcoat, pro-argh, pro-Megskin, pro-Mark#####, pro-alex####, pro-sam3, pro-greg(boston), pro-Jack (yes, pro-Jack!), pro-dealer, pro-Alan4, pro-4th Floor, pro-talent_evaluator, pro-dagger, pro-dlhaze, and pro-[TONS of other posters, except maybe periculum].

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Also, I like our Mac b/c I don't seem to need anti-virus software. If not for work providing daily updates and scans for my home PC, I probably would have quit it by now. My previous two PCs were killed (in my mind) by malicious interweb stuff. Seems like owning a PC is like having herpes ... you'll always have it and will always will require treatment. I agree with peeps that I wish alot more of my googahs worked on our Mac. I had assumed every software publishing company was intimidated/coerced/maps/such as by Microsoft ... and that when the Administration settled the anti-trust case against Microsoft for a slap on the wrist, dominance was established forever. I still prefer the browser formerly known as Netscape to the MS Explorer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:33 AM

There are many more threats to PCs than to Macs, because there are many more PCs THAN Macs. I found long ago that if you know what to look for, and update your software, you have nothing to fear. I'll pay that small burden in exchange for the versatility.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Wouldn't Suggs, and Smith basically play the same position? Smith is a DE in a 4-3 scheme, and Suggs is an OLB in a 3-4 scheme?"

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 10:49 AM

They both seem like real hardcore athletes and game changers. Either dude works for me. I recognize that the Skins' "base" defense is 4-3, but I've heard tell that, by late season, they had something like a dozen different "packages" that varied by down, distance, and matchups.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

If I'm on dc's list i must be making a name for myself.

a 4-3 end and a 3-4 olb have different responsibilites.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

There are many more threats to PCs than to Macs, because there are many more PCs THAN Macs. I found long ago that if you know what to look for, and update your software, you have nothing to fear. I'll pay that small burden in exchange for the versatility.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 10:52 AM

I had assumed that all the malicious software was written by Mac Users who were angry with Bill Gates. [Seriously]

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 15, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Spot on Mark (from the Future), I was originally thinking maybe Ken Nordine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Nordine

(you MUST hear his "Colors" album sometime!)

or maybe even Allen Ginsberg?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Unless you are Demarcus Ware, then all you have to worry about is rushing the passer. Of course you also have to worry about your loud mouth teammates blowing it.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

By the way wasn't Allen Ginsberg married to Ruth Bader Ginsberg? Or are they the same person perhaps?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

sam3, it takes seconds to become a "regular" ... MV Dame once repeated a byline for "Redskins Insider" ... "Come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba".

You have definitely become listworthy. Someday, I hope to become "spongeworthy".

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

dc, I agree, either one could help. I know Smith is known for having a great motor, just a non-stop player.

I'm curoius to see what positions the Redskins go after in Free agency, versus the draft. Hopefully the top defensive ends, Gholston, Campbell, Long, will have had their pro-day's prior to the start of free agency, to help determine which direction the Redskins go with their #1 pick.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

dcsween is not pro-me. :-(

I'm pro-you, for what it's worth.

I am pro-Jansen, pro-Kendall, anti-Wade, anti-Cowboys, anti-Todd starting next year, pro-JC, pro-America, anti-UnAmerica, anti-Giants, anti-Iggles, anti-Pats, pro-St. Joe, pro-GW, pro-Weird Al staying, and anti-gum stuck under tables.

Anti-Al Qaida, too.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

To stop DeMarcus Ware, you need to get underneath him. Ya know ... underWare.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Back at ya Nate. I'm pro-RI generally, which includes being pro-Nate, pro-Diddy, pro-chRIs Larry, pro-jm220, pro-Redcoat, pro-argh, pro-Megskin, pro-Mark#####, pro-alex####, pro-sam3, pro-greg(boston), pro-Jack (yes, pro-Jack!), pro-dealer, pro-Alan4, pro-4th Floor, pro-talent_evaluator, pro-dagger, pro-dlhaze, and pro-[TONS of other posters, except maybe periculum].

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:50 AM


I was pro-sween. Now I'm on the fence after a high-profile diss ;-)

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Oops, I knew if I started a list, I'd forget someone. I'm pro-PBL4, pro-PBJ, pro-Pb Zep, and specifically, pro-Immigrant Song. Anti-bologna (but pro-ham sandwich).

Also, I think the Combine precedes the start of free agency. I think for "need" positions, i.e., priorities to start next year, our dudes will have to come from free agency. Even first round guys should not need to be relied on to start next season, regardless of position (except punter). Also, after a long drunken blather last night (Mondays are my drinking nights), I am significantly less anti-Derrick Frost, but I'm still not pro-Frost.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

To stop DeMarcus Ware, you need to get underneath him. Ya know ... underWare.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:02 AM

I can see him doing a "pee-pee" dance in tremendous pain after getting a massive wedgey.

Posted by: jimwell | January 15, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm prolix.

I'm pro-respectful exchange of information and opinions and silliness up here. What I mean is, I'm pro-everybody up here, regardless of tenure. Except people who conduct themselves like relentless chooches (ahem) and poop in the punch bowl, for whom I am anti-


This guy was pro-beret and pro-vided a brick wall for proto-hipsters to stand in front of and vent:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/14/us/14banducci.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm pro-TDawg, and as of today, I am pro-Pro-TDawg (shortly after being pro-All-Big-Ten-TDawg). I'm on the verge of becoming anti-listing though.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh -- anti-Raquetball Partner, pro-Beat Reporter, pro-The Danny spending money, anti-The Danny making decisions, pro-Hiring a GM, pro-freedom, and anti-Communism.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

dc, the combine is usually the 3rd weekend in February, but a lot of seniors don't attend, rather they schedule a time to work out at their pro-day, which I think a lot of the guys that the Redskins will be looking at, will be doing.

Some guys do both events...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, whoa, PBL, TDawg, you guys are loved specifically and as part of the group. Never doubt it.

I can vouch for how freakin' hard it is to generate a list of blog peeps. I tried that with a series of "Roll Call" lists during the various marches to this or that comment count goal, and always was leaving out people.

Speaking of which, we gotta be getting towards 150k comments up here.

Cyn City?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm pro-TDawg, and as of today, I am pro-Pro-TDawg (shortly after being pro-All-Big-Ten-TDawg). I'm on the verge of becoming anti-listing though.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:10 AM


Awww, you know my soft spot.

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

For myself I'm pro-pecia, pro-found, pro-lapse, pro-bono, pro-ductive (what IS ductive anyway?), pro-consul, sometimes pro-fane, pro-gymnosperm (who doesn't need more gymnosperm in their life?) and ante-bellum, ante-meridian, Aunty Em, anti-disestablishmentarianism (always hated that one in spelling tests), anti-microbial, anti-macassar, anti-pathy (an Italian appetiser I believe), and Anti-etam.

But I remain pro-RI in-toto, Barno included; more power to all of your elbows!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

pro-jimwell too ... plus an obvious heap of people who haven't joined yet today.

[Can I just get it out there that I'm pro-love fest?]

Also, there are a TON of names that changed after blog registration that I've just been learning about ... like cdubb and CMoney. The only ones for which I clearly have "continuity" of memory are cosmofla/squashmo, Adam(Philly Fan)/argh, Governor/songofroland, and AMMTS/drouhier. Can we do a run down of name changes since registration?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call myself a big fan, but I have rediscovered KISS over the past 2 days. Wow, who knew 4 chords could work out so well in some instances?

Hmmmm...

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Awww, you know my soft spot."

Posted by: TDawg | January 15, 2008 11:13 AM

I thought it was your receiving game out of the backfield ... but don't worry, I'm pro-secrets.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Pro-PC, but pro-Linux, and not necessarily anti-Mac.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Pro-RI and pro-hamsters but anti-Loseable Type

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone here play Madden for xbox 360?

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Linux the architecture for cash registers?

KISS was my first concert ... in 4th grade. Back then, the gate check at Cleveland Public Hall was more like the authorities in Amsterdam, and not so much like the Transportation Security Administration. The warm up band was War (without Eric Burden) and the place smelled like the jeans jacket of a school bus driver. The fog made it the stage look a little hazy ... What's not to love about a bass player who spits blood?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

And not a beret in the building, I'd wager, sween.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, I have berets on the brain today.

Thanks for that, Redcoat :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Pro-JLC posting a new entry and anti-PBL4 having to get back to work. Oh well.... :-(

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

These pro/anti-lists are not very pro-found, or should I say anti-found.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 15, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

sams, Love the madden, but my xbox currently has loseable type issues. Waitin for microsoft to send a new one.

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 15, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am anti Chris Larry.

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Pro Lisa, Nate, Cyn Cyty,Redcoat, dcsween, Smack

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

puttinforbird,

When you get it back let me know, we can get a game or two in. I'll flip a coin for who gets the Skins.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Well, there's a bit of stunning news, jm220 is pro-Lisa.

That's like my saying I'm pro-beer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Just putting this one out there again for anyone who hasn't bookmarked yet (and for those who have but have forgotten to vote several times this morning).

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=coaches

A pro-Joe Gibbs vote also counts as an anti-Len Pasquarelli vote. Voting is open till the 21st.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2008 02:41 PM

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Anti-Len Pastabelly/Lenny the Hutt, pro-Art Monk and Darrell Green in the HOF, and pro-talking to you all later.

Posted by: PBL4 | January 15, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You look like the bereting kind Nate, sorry.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Channeling MV Dame, I would guess we're upwards of 147,500 comments right now. We'll push on past 150k in the next week.

But only if we continue to be fed a steady stream of posts, to keep things moving.

Ahem.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

jm220 be pro me.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Jaradel ==> bandwagon blues

I posted in fits and spurts before the blog change, so most ppl probably won't remember that.

I really can't sift thru the nearly 400 comments on this post, so forgive me if I'm repeating something that's already been said. I have been hearing that coordinators from other teams cannot make lateral moves to the Redskins - is that only true if they are currently under contract? If their contract is up at the end of this season, can they make a lateral move? Reason I ask - I feel, as many do, that Grilliams will get the nod for HC. There's a good chance he may want to turn Saunders loose, and of course, someone will need to take over as D-coordinator. ASSUMING (and I know that's trouble) that some of these coordinators we're interviewing are coming to the end of their contracts, could The Danny be interviewing them for the HC position as due diligence, but with the idea in mind that he/Grilliams may want to bring them over as coordinators?

Posted by: jaradel | January 15, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Pro 'Coach' Manboobs, yet very anti-manboobs...

http://www.lep.co.uk/weird/39Manboobs39-victim-refused-NHS-help.3671767.jp

Posted by: 4-12 | January 15, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Pro-Wabo, Anti-Cabo

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 15, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

pro-flapjacks

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Partner Diane Cassidy, 19, mother of their two-year-old son Taylor, has vowed to stand by her man. She said: "I don't mind the way Lee is. I like him for his personality, not his looks.""


Yea verily, charity begins at home.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

pro-procastinating

Posted by: NCICURN | January 15, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

pro-procrastinating

Posted by: NCICURN | January 15, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"skinfanman,

sorry but you sorat have me scratching my head:

- Assuming Jansen is done. Big assumption there that you better hope aint true considering the salary. How bouts we see how he heals huh?

- "Maybe we bring back McCants" HUH? Why would we bring back a cat who couldn't make the team 3 years ago when we had worse WRs and hasnt caught on w/ another team?

- Kendell as a back up? Did you watch last season? That vet is a straight baller who we have signed pretty cheap. Mark him and Samuels down next year in Sharpie and worry about the right side and some youth depth...bench Kendall...wow..

Here is my suggestion as an exstenstion of skinsfanman

Babe Laufenberg at QB, Leslie Sheppard for some speed a WR, and maybe look to replace Monty and Golston with some youth at D tackle...

wow I am cranky this morning...but at least were argueing ya know football..

Posted by: chrislarry | January 15, 2008 09:42 AM"

On the OL:

Between Jansen, Thomas and Wade we have 3 guys who have had enough injuries that they are all questions. Can't rely on any of them. If we sign Faneca, then we move him to LG and play Thomas if Thomas is healthy. Kendall is backup then, but unlikely he sits all year.

Did you see Jansen's injury this year? Looked terrible. If he comes back, great. But me have doubts. Wade had injuries all year and tried to play through them. Hopefully Heyer improves in the offseason like Montgomery did, but does Heyer have the same level of potential as Montgomery? It might make sense to sign Max Stark or draft a tackle #1. Could use the depth and youth on the line.

As for McCants, just wanted to see if you were paying attention. Point is, I mainly see a tall receiver being of advantage in the red zone. Maybe this guy Mix has what it takes. But I wouldn't go WR with a #1 or #2.

We have the skill players, for the most part. We need to beef up the line. When I watch these games I see the team with the best OL winning. Remember the Hogs? They were dominant. Kendall is fine, but he's not dominant.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 15, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

pro-spell check for obvious reasons

Posted by: NCICURN | January 15, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

There must be something we can make out of this post's heading to do with "The Meeks Will Inherit.." isn't there?

We need relevant rhymes for 'Earth'. Girth? Dearth? Worth? Help me out guys....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

About coaches. We know coaches can leave one team for another if it means a step up to HC or coordinator. No sideways moves allowed.

But what if the HC retires? Are all assistants then free to make a sideways move? If Holmgren or Dungy retire can we sign any of their assistants for any position we want? Could this be part of the Danny's thinking?

Posted by: skinfanman | January 15, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The Meeks will inherit the turf.

You heard it here first.

Posted by: jaradel | January 15, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mirth? Birth?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Meeks will inherit playoff births.

Posted by: NCICURN | January 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Firth of Forth?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 15, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

You are a little to far to the left for me sometimes same but yes I am pro sam3, pro 4th floor, pro 4-12, pro smack to the back of the head.

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The Meeks will inherit Big Murf.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

I feel like i'm far to the right if anything. Lefters get me all fired up, hence my displeasure with Colbert.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Is everyone gone?

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The Meeks Will inhibit a Smurf?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Will be AWOL most of this afternoon; deadlines loom but deliverables are not (yet) done.

Toodle Pip!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 15, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

can we get a new post/update?

Posted by: makalb18 | January 15, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

pro - panties
pro - thongs
pro - freelippin'
anti - granny panties
anti - freeballin
pro - F-me boots
Anti - ugs
pro - thigh highs!!
anti - colorful stockings

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 15, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Right on the money Z. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | January 15, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I would be happy if the draft picks were used as follows:

- 1 big WR
- All other picks on O-line and D-Line

Add one or two reasonably priced free agents (not Briggs!!!) and it will be a successful offseason.

Posted by: CBT | January 15, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I am Pro-NewPost...

Is it just me or does it seem like this past week since St Joe resigned has been long as hel... It almost seems like he resigned a few weeks ago... Which makes this HC search/interviewing process seem like it's taking forever...

Any chances we interview both Indy assistants today?

Why are we going to waste time on Jim Mora... He shouldn't be a HC candidate for us, should he? Nonetheless, should he even be a OC candidate?

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

No and No E

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 15, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Zebraskins,

Well done...

Pro-Freelippin' = Pro-Commando ?

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

for da ladies, yes... freeballin for the men which I am anti

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm still very kinda shocked we haven't even entertained interviewing Russ Grimm.

You would think that would be high on St Joe's priority list of advice. Didn't he try and bring him over here from P-burgh when he was constructing his staff for 2.0? Was that just a rumor or can someone confirm that?

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Ravens have offered Garrett the job in baltimore
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Headlines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=111513

Posted by: SAK2 | January 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm pro-pro and anti-anti.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't there a rumor Grimm was the "mystery assistant coach from another team" who interviewed last week?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Yes that was a rumor but apparently nobody has been able to confirm that assistant's identity although Jasno is reporting that it was confirmed to not be Russ....

?

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't there a rumor Grimm was the "mystery assistant coach from another team" who interviewed last week?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:57 PM

Thats what alot of rumors are saying. but noone can confirm this.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 15, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

For the record I am anti these guys

Brunell
fox
pearson p
evens
caldwell
mccardell
macklin
koslowski
demuelling
wade
puccillo
thrash
boschetti....all other tired old rif raf espy etc..... wouldn't mind a betts upgrade... if your stay'n the same you are going backward.....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Teams can't interview other teams' coaches (or players) who are under contract without permission of the club. The word last week was that the Redskins had not requested permission from the Cardinals to speak with Grimm.

Posted by: tafka | January 15, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Evans is a player and a half - that is a mistake.

Fox is a good special teams man.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I had assumed that all the malicious software was written by Mac Users who were angry with Bill Gates. [Seriously]

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 10:57 AM

Some of the "best" malicious software has typically been written by old school UNIX programmers, who generally dislike Gates and the Microsoft monolith. For sheer volume, many of the low-threat viruses written for Windows comes from very young hacker-wannabe Windows users.

Windows viruses dominate the landscape due to the ease of finding holes in a base operating system (DOS) written in the 1970s, which closely resembles coded swiss cheese.

Posted by: tafka | January 15, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Catching up with all the action on Redskin Inside Her today. Glad I made Sween's pro-list. Not the same as All Pro, but better than the Pro-Bowl, I think.

It looks like no one has mentioned the bit from today's print edition about Wilber Marshall. (Does anyone here beside me still read the print edition?)

That man was awesome for the 'Skins for a few years. He was the force we hoped Arrington would become. Anyway, the paper says he's 45 and he "suffers from degenerative arthritis in both knees and ankles, his right elbow, his left shoulder, his spine and his hands." What do you think that feels like?

He won a judgement against the league's retirement plan for $72,000 for disabilities. He's been getting payments since 1997, but in 2001 a doctor said he thought Marshall could do office work, so they cut off his payments for eight months and he had to sue. Now, seven years later, he's getting what he was due.

That sucks. He must be in pretty constant pain with the arthritis and he has to sue the retirment plan for $72,000? That just seems wrong to me.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402749.html

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I hope you meant Leomont Evans, sams3.

Demetric made like ONE PLAY all season long. I'm exaggerating, of course, but the dude hasn't looked like anything special.

ArtMonkToTheSticks ranted about that dude during the first Eagles game, along the lines that our defense couldn't be taken seriously if it includes Demetric Evans.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Nate Evans is a nice versitle rotation type player. Name a better one.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

C'mon JLa! Ya gotta give us something! What did Flapjacks have for lunch at Danny's? Chicken salad on a croissant, or sesame ahi seared spinach salad with walnuts and cranberries?

With lite-cucumber lime dressing of course.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Old School,

I'm pro:
Macardell,
Caldwell,
Macklin,
Kendall, and
philatic.

And if my name were Thrash, I'd be searching my swinging soul right now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying he is going to light the world on fire or anything Nate. I'm just saying he makes next to nothing and can fill in at an above average level at both DE and DT.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd much rather hear that the top defensive coach was having raw steak for lunch. Call it tartare if you wish.

Posted by: tafka | January 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

pulldownclaw,

I love that you use flapjacks whenever possbile.

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"Wasn't there a rumor Grimm was the "mystery assistant coach from another team" who interviewed last week?"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 12:57 PM

The mystery man was on Friday and may or may not have been Grimm. I'm thinking that, if yesterday was Grilliams' THIRD interview, and he interviewed once before the Schwartz interview, then the interview last Friday was Grilliams' second interview ... which is to say the yardwork day.

"Nate Evans is a nice versitle rotation type player. Name a better one."

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 01:18 PM

There is Evans better than Nate Evans (except maybe for Bob, you know, the one down on the farm).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

lol

Nate, Evans

Posted by: sams3 | January 15, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I thought Evans had a stepped up year myself, but it could be just me. [Not stepped up like The Todd, but stepped up nonetheless.]

In that previous post, I meant to say that there is NO Evans like Nate Evans (like no Evans I know).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If the mystery man from this past Friday wasn't Grilliams, it could have been The Shoveler or the Blue Raja.

Someone. Please. Stop. Me.

New. Thread. Please.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree Evans is a player. He is a solid D-Lineman that can come in and get in done... He was a huge role player for us this past year.

He filled in very well for Daniels when he was out and or banged up in the middle of the season. He made some big plays, tips and interception(s). You certainly don't cut him unless he's outplayed in TC by the younger guys... Evan's can play DE and DT (although I think he's a bit small to be a DT).

I think Pierson Priouleau is solid as well. He can play nickelback or Safety. We don't cut him unless we draft a better player (which I doubt) or sign a FA to replace him. He played very well up until the last few games where he looked suspect in coverage in some plays, but I couldn't tell whether that was him or Landry or Doughty's fault. Zone coverage can cause lots of issues if all LB's, CB's, and Safeties aren't on the same page.

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Not taking sides here, but it seems like part of the reason that Gibbs liked seasoned vets on the team was for the leadership and stability afforded to the special teams. Sadly, it appears that the unfortunate side effect of that is a lack of young talent being developed for position play.

Posted by: tafka | January 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Again, sams3, Demetric seems like "just a guy" to me. I recall being excited by something he did precisely ONCE this season.

I realize they can't all be world-beaters, and I don't mean to pile on this dude, who is probably a nice guy and a good soldier and hard worker and all that.

But in general I'm with Old School -- it's a truth that you have to keep the roster fresh and jettison guys who are nothing special, when there is someone younger/faster/better/with more upside available.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think that Evans is a good situational player, same with Caldwell, I think both guys have a certain role, and do a good job of fulfilling that role. Caldwell is a good 4th wideout, and Evans is a good 6th guy in your defensive line rotation.

There has been talk today about dumping Kendall, which I just don't get?? He's very solid, and you can pretty much pencil his name in at LG and not have to worry.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 15, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: TheCindy | January 15, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Again, it's all academic -- happy to be proved wrong by Demetric (and to use other words ending in -ic).

The other thing to bear in mind is that the roster turnover engine will be in higher gear if we hire from outside than from inside (Ol'Flapjacks Williams).

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

A big knock on Evans coming into this past year was he was good rushing the passer but poor at playing the run. I thought he played much better against the run this past year. I predict he'll be back again.

Posted by: EinVB | January 15, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

A new post.

Wow - just wow.

Posted by: tafka | January 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

D Evans has been here for a while and based upon the leaps that Chris Wilson and the two youg DT's have made, he probably be shipped.

He is fine as an extra body. But how much does he make as an extra body? We could take an undrafted FA and plug him in at the 'body' position and hope he turns out special as we all think Heyer may... but it looks like evans is who he is and aint gettin any better

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

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