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Campbell: Meeting "Very Successful"

Jason Reid just got off the phone with Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who said he met with owner Daniel M. Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and Coach Jim Zorn for two hours today at Redskins Park.

Snyder and Cerrato called the meeting to clear the air about the team's efforts to acquire quarterback Jay Cuter, who was traded yesterday from the Denver Broncos to the Chicago Bears. Campbell said he was encouraged by the meeting and "just wants to play football and get ready for the 2009 season."

Campbell said he was pleased by having an opportunity to express himself and he said everyone at the meeting spoke candidly about the events of the past few days. "I would say it was a very successful meeting because everyone expressed themselves and made it clear what we want to try to accomplish," Campbell said. "We talked for a long time about everything that had happened and the thing I felt the best about was that I got a chance to talk about what I'm trying to do, which is just get ready for the season and try to help this team get to that higher level. Coach Zorn and [Snyder] all let me know how they feel about things and that's why I'd say it was real successful because now it's just about moving forward and trying to win. I'm going to be in this offense for my second year, Coach Zorn has learned a lot, different stuff that can help us be more successful, and I just think it was real positive today."

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  April 3, 2009; 3:37 PM ET
 
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I still think the Skins will try to trade up for a quarterback in the first round and Jason will be shipped out of town for a second or third rounder.

Posted by: larryn703 | April 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that Vinny and Danny were capable of being candid. See, you learn something every day.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Class act...

Posted by: siris | April 3, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Snyder are clowns.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | April 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Those Idiots don't deserve a class act like JC17. I Hope he kicks azzz this year.

Posted by: russberlin65 | April 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I still think the Skins will try to trade up for a quarterback in the first round and Jason will be shipped out of town for a second or third rounder.

Posted by: larryn703 |

So riddle me this...if that were to happen who in heck would be our QB? Colt is not ready...the QB you say they will draft will not be ready....so that leaves Todd Collins - who played well in Al Saunders system but did not look good in Zorn's.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Snyder are clowns.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | April 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

ASS Clowns

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

OK, so let's move on... Who will/should the Skins pick at 13, etc etc? Seeing lots of mocks guessing various DE's... I like the idea of trying to trade down to get an Eben Britton or similar T, plus one of the 2 top rated C/G's, if possible...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JC: Biding his time
Snyder/Vinny: Biting their pillows

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | April 3, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny should schedule a special session of Inside the Red Zone to explain this (almost) debacle to Skins fans.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If we traded down, do you think the Vinny could tun those picks into starting players? I dont!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa...

You are trying to think rationally stop it

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny are venom to this team.

Posted by: lizamx5 | April 3, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The 'yet to be written' story is about how the FO played its cards.

The 'clear the air' meeting was probably helpful, but the issue remains. The front office rejected Campbell in multiple ways. In doing so, they have also said, in effect, that Zorn failed, since Campbell was his #1 project.

I'd be interested to know whether Zorn was sitting with Campbell or sitting with Danny and Vinny. Why? Its clear Cutler was driven by Dan and Vinny. Zorn had no say in it. Its not just Campbell that got trashed in this.

Under Gibbs, it was about character and an 'all for one, one for all' attitude (except for Brandon Lloyd).

Just over one year since Gibbs left, its backstabbing and a return to questionable characters. Certainly Haynesworth, Hall and Cutler had known issues -- and management invited all 3 in. Portis behaved one way under Gibbs, we've already seen its different under Zorn.

An environment where you don't know if the person next to you 'has your back' isn't a very healthy one. Its starts at the top.

I don't have a problem with the front office telling Campbell and Zorn that this is the year they need to prove themselves. I do have an issue with hanging them out to dry, in full public view, creating distrust across the organization.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Sure Lisa, so we can hear Vinny lie and stammer with his "um".."ya know" "like" phrases that he always dose..plus that freaking horrible cackle laugh he has..Ughhhhhhhh

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

take best DL or OL with #13

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Giants just announced that they have dropped Plaxico Burress... How long before Danny boy swoops in to pick him up for waaaaaaayyyy more than he is worth?

Posted by: garyolney | April 3, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

So, there was a lot of cussing and FUs from what I gather.

One group stated they were the boss and their only main concern was bringing a SB home to DC.

Another person said he feels disappointed in the lack of trust of an owner/GM. And all he wants to do is be the leader of the team that will win the SB. He wants to do it for the team and fans and naysayers.

Owner/GM prob said, if you do that, then you will see the most money ever given out in NFL history.

No one can hatethe money. Sounds like a challenge to the player. The way the player speaks in the media, he should be up to the challenge.

Lisa - Time and Date of Inside the redzone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jason has a very good year and then sign a contract with another team. This whole thing will blow up in dan and vinny;s face.

Posted by: thewayitis | April 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Cant ask for more off the field from JC17. Class act.

Posted by: jrenn2114 | April 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

All y'all are nuts. Campbell's contract is up next year and you're complaining because the Skins front office proactively considered a replacement QB?

The truth is we fans don't really know what happened. Did the Skins merely inquire about the cost of the trade and were subsequently used by the Broncos to raise the price or were they really in the middle of a three-way trade with the Browns? Everything written by the media was speculative -- unless the reporters bugged Snyder's office -- neither the Skins nor the Broncos made any public statements to the media during the negotiations...

Posted by: siris | April 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The skins will draft a QB this year...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Woops. Missed the word, 'think'.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The FO has zero confidence in Campbell and aside from what Zorn might be telling Campbell he may not either

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Well at least they made the best of a bad situation. Good for them.

Now if they could only avoid putting themselves in future bad situations . . .

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 3, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

4th, unfortunately, there is no time and date for Inside the RedZone with Vinny.....I said Vinny SHOULD schedule one - he owes us that.

I'm also looking forward to hearing Larry Michael try and rationalize the mess today on Redskins Nation. Hope he reads the email I wrote.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I was wrong about: the Skins front office wanting a trade for cutler (i said yea f-in right)
I was right about: it was never going to happen
I'm happy about: Jason Campbell is the Redskins starting QB
I'm f-in pissed off about: cerrato being affiliated w/ the Washington Redskins and him making decisions that affects all of our mental states

great, another wasted day of evaluating quarterbacks and not T, DE, LB and C, which is what the Skins need

Posted by: retroskins14 | April 3, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The skins will draft a QB this year...

Posted by: BenchCampbell |


Next year's QB's should be much better and if this year doesn't work out then they get a new QB & coach next year. Not this year!

Posted by: will_ga | April 3, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm also looking forward to hearing Larry Michael try and rationalize the mess today on Redskins Nation. Hope he reads the email I wrote.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 4:09 PM

LM didn't even want to touch the subject yesterday. He was holding alot back, you can tell. He kept trying to hold something in and would then laugh and play it off......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will draft a QB next year when Colt is ready to be #2 and Collins is released. They need to fill starting holes at RT and SLB + backups at C/G, RG, and WLB. I could understand a LDE or CB being drafted to complete with the veterans, but not a QB...

Posted by: siris | April 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I really don't see any reason that jason Campbell should be insulted or surprised that the Redskins were trying to bette their team. he has shown nothing that would make anyone think he is ever going to be better than he already has be4en, which is in a word, ordinary. Until he provs he deserves to be untouchable, then he isn't. he hasn't been offered an extension, and from what we here nobody in the league wanted him for a second round pick. That is his worth, what you can sell him for and we had no takers.

As much as the Campbell lovers and the african american QB lovers (sorry but everyone does realize where Wilbon is writng his articles from right?) want to say how similar they are, the facts are that Cutler ran his offense like a pro. Campbell lets the offense run him. If Cutler had a defense as good as Washingtons he would be on MT Rushmore by now. Campbell has a losing record with one of the top 5 overall defenses over the span of his carreer. Unacceptable. Cutler threw more int's but many more TD's as well and he didn't fumble like Jason. If you add Campbells fumbles in with his int's they have a similar number of turnovers. Cutler has a higher QB rating, completion %, a far higher yardage and TD average. They are not close. Yes JC17 is a nice guy and JC6 isn't but the bears are going back the NFC championship this year while the skins are going on vacation that week and more likely well before.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

A source has told Scout.com that Liberty RB Rashad Jennings will visit the New Orleans Saints on April 14.

The hard-charging and versatile runner has already had workouts with the Denver Broncos, New England Patriots, New York Jets and Philadelphia Eagles. And he's drawn interest from teams such as the Arizona Cardinals, Indianapolis Colts, San Diego Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, St. Louis Rams, Carolina Panthers and the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | April 3, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I say with the 13th pick we take Danny boy's head and shove it up Vinnies ASS.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Will_ga I agree about next years draft class but I have a sneaking suspicion no matter what the front office says they are done with Campbell... and lets face it Zorn has no say he is a puppet

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Kent State offensive tackle Augustus Parrish was scheduled for workouts with the Miami Dolphins and the Philadelphia Eagles in March, and he's set to visit the Washington Redskins on April 3.

A three-year starter for the Golden Flashes, Parrish is an athletic lineman who has the strength to bowl-over his opponent, recording 151 knockdowns over the past two seasons.

"Coming into Kent, I was recruited as a defensive lineman, but I was presented with the opportunity to play earlier by switching to the offensive line," Parrish told Scout.com. "In high school, everybody told me I was a better offensive lineman than a defensive lineman, but I felt like I played with a defensive mentality even when I played offense. I think that kind of set me apart from other guys because on defense, you can tackle people. You can't do that on offense, so instead I try to knock the guy down in front of me. You do whatever you can do to help the team."

The 6-foot-4, 297-pound player is also being considered as a guard at the next level.

Posted by: TWISI | April 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@dbrine

So now that Cutler has a pretty consistently top 10 defense with the Bears we should expect Chicago to hit 12-4 from here on out, huh?

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I say with the 13th pick we take Danny boy's head and shove it up Vinnies ASS.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe trade down and take Danny boy's head and shove it up vinnies ASS?

Vote?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I still think the Skins will try to trade up for a quarterback in the first round and Jason will be shipped out of town for a second or third rounder.

Posted by: larryn703 | April 3, 2009 3:49 PM

If you're being serious, you're a moron

That is all.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 3, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"All y'all are nuts. Campbell's contract is up next year and you're complaining because the Skins front office proactively considered a replacement QB?"

Posted by: siris | April 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Trading for Cutler would not be "proactive" in finding a future replacement. It would be acting immediatly to install a replacement. The fact that Campbell's contract is up next year doesn't mean anything. He will either be a Restricted FA and they can match any offers, or he will be an unrestricted FA and they can Franchise him if he has a good year. Basically, he's not going anywhere if they don't want him too.

I do agree with your other comments though. The media ran with this story and quoted a bunch of unnammed "sources". But regardless of what was done, it was stupid to have even considered Cutler. The Skins may not have been as serious as the media around here made it out to be.

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 3, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

still think the Skins will try to trade up for a quarterback in the first round and Jason will be shipped out of town for a second or third rounder.

Posted by: larryn703 | April 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

They don't have the ammo (read: draft picks) to trade up to get either Stafford or Sanchez. Even if they trade next year's number 1 (God forbid), I don't think that will move them up far enough to get one of those two.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 3, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

after reading comments about the whole
situation, sounds very pathetic. If I were
Zorn or Campbell, I'd start preparing my
resume for my next job. Working for that
type of company, does not bode well for
Morale. I like both Zorn & Campbell
for both biting their lower lip. The skins
should monitor the Michael Vick situation
closely. He would be available for no
draft picks!!!

Posted by: madalao | April 3, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Why do fans think Vinny or Snyder "owes them something". Snyder bought the team with his money, he pays Cerrato to do a job and he must think he is OK at it because he keeps him and keeps on paying him. they owe you nothing. If you don't want to go to the games, then don't. If enough don't go they will have to change. But that won't happen so get over it. I didn't really want Cutler either especially at that high a price, and low and behold they didn't overpay for him yet still people complain. I didn't want cutler, but Campbell is a much worse player. A better human being, but a much worse player. I wish they would trade Campbell, bring in Garcia or someone like that and draft a QB for a chance at the future. Because right now their isn't one and it isn't Snyders or Cerratto's fault. They have given evry coach what they said they needed, and none has come though since JG I. You must have a franchise QB to win the SB, and we don't have one.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

How about Campbell and 13 for Detroit's #1 an take Stafford?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

We drafted a QB last year. Why on earth would we draft another QB before seeing what JC can do with one year of experience in this system under his belt and one year of experience under Zorn's. How about drafting someone that will HELP JC, not someone that's gonna hold a clipboard. Besides, who would we drop......Collins?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Madalo problem is (currently) no other teams want Zorn or Campbell...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley:

Dream scenario: The Redskins were ready to mortgage their 2009 and 2010 drafts in order to land Jay Cutler. But it wasn't enough. Now, they'll stay at No. 13 overall and try to find more help on defense. Tennessee defensive end Robert Ayers is a player the Redskins have fallen in love with since he had a breakout performance during Senior Bowl week. He has a little baggage (a 2005 arrest), but he's coming off an excellent 2008 season in which he made 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and took over several games. The Redskins desperately need help at left end, and Ayers would be a Day 1 starter. Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn are serviceable, but at this point in their careers you don't want to lean on them heavily. There's also a chance that Vinny Cerrato tries to trade out of that 13th pick and make a run at Ayers or even offensive tackle Michael Oher. The Redskins don't have much ammunition in the draft (five picks), so a trade could put them in a better situation. Actually, the dream scenario is Brian Orakpo slipping to 13, but that's a stretch. There's some thought that the Raiders might take him at No. 7. Also keep your eye on LSU defensive end Tyson Jackson

Posted by: TWISI | April 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Look, we are NOT drafting (early rounds)the following this year:

* A liflong LT to convert to RT.
* DT
* Gaurd
* QB
* Center
* TE
* WR


=====================================

We don't have enough wiggle room to draft these spots when we already have servicable players in these positions for the year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

the front office has ZERO confidence in Campbell they have been trying to shop him for a month before Cutler was even "officially" available for 1! second round pick!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"great, another wasted day of evaluating quarterbacks and not T, DE, LB and C, which is what the Skins need

Posted by: retroskins14 |"

that's a solid point and one of the few solid points in the last week or so it seems like


with Vinny's draft history, we need him to spend ALL his time right now on evaluating college players, not thinking about trades and reviewing tape of some other NFL team's QB


although maybe he will say "I don't know enough since I didn't have enough time" and defer to someone else?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 3, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes JC17 is a nice guy and JC6 isn't but the bears are going back the NFC championship this year while the skins are going on vacation that week and more likely well before.

Posted by: dbrine1261

What have you been drinking?????

Also, take away the fact that Snyder wanted to trade away Jason Campbell for a spoiled crybaby who has only played in ONE system (will he even be successful in another?) which is disgusting in and of itself, Snyder was (according to reports) going to trade away our draft picks as well!! We only have 4 flippin picks!!! 5 counting the compensary pick. Hatred, disgust and dismay is definitely called for in that Snyder tried to trade away our QB and most of our picks for a whiny QB who has not proven anything. In fact, one of the few games the Broncos won last year was a "gimme" by Ed Hockuli.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

How likely is it that we actually will BE able to trade up from 13? I am all for it if we could, but I am not sure there will be that much demand.

Posted by: markymark2 | April 3, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Madalo problem is (currently) no other teams want Zorn or Campbell...

Posted by: BenchCampbell "

Not true, there's probably at least 3 or 4 teams that would take Zorn as their QB coach

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 3, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

How about Campbell and 13 for Detroit's #1 an take Stafford?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Are people on here being serious? Was this a joke? I really can't tell anymore.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 3, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

How about Campbell and 13 for Detroit's #1 an take Stafford?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Are people on here being serious? Was this a joke? I really can't tell anymore.

Posted by: Barno1 | April 3, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't like it per say but if they are set on getting rid of campbell for a franchise QB.. It would work. I am sure Detroit would make that trade

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Campbell was "feelin' the love" as the team failed to start negotiations on a new contract?
The conversation could easily have been something like "Jason, you're a big-time player who, if you have the kind of season we think you're capable of, will get a big-time contract as an FA next year. If 2010 is uncapped, then we can take care of you. If not, we could easily find ourselves in a position where we can't match other teams. It's pure due diligence on our part to take a look at our franchise over the long run."

Bottom line for JC -- if he has a breakout year (and I think he's capable of one), then he'll feel a lot of love next year... from the skins and other teams. If he squeezes out a middle-tier year (like 2008), he'll still make a ton of money.

Of course, they take Sanchez and all bets are off.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think Campbell was "feelin' the love" as the team failed to start negotiations on a new contract?
The conversation could easily have been something like "Jason, you're a big-time player who, if you have the kind of season we think you're capable of, will get a big-time contract as an FA next year. If 2010 is uncapped, then we can take care of you. If not, we could easily find ourselves in a position where we can't match other teams. It's pure due diligence on our part to take a look at our franchise over the long run."

Bottom line for JC -- if he has a breakout year (and I think he's capable of one), then he'll feel a lot of love next year... from the skins and other teams. If he squeezes out a middle-tier year (like 2008), he'll still make a ton of money.

Of course, they take Sanchez and all bets are off.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I must say, Jason handled all the trade talk much better than that cry baby cutler did.

Posted by: jmy999 | April 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe trade down and take Danny boy's head and shove it up vinnies ASS?

Vote?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Solution: soixante-neuf

Posted by: will_ga | April 3, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I think it is funny when everyone wants to say how awesome Campbell is and in the same breathe saying how Cutler sucks! If their numbers are similar doesnt that mean Campbell sucks!?

I have said several times Campbell is a great athlete but that isnt what its all about...

The guy has no heart... thats the problem here... The FO just sh*t all over him and he thinks things are going great!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell's ego will be okay as long as he realizes that the two guys in the FO expressing reservations about his talent don't know what the hell they're doing anyway.
And now it's on to F-ing up the draft!

Posted by: mack1 | April 3, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

F Statistics.

Stats don't win games. This is a TEAM game, not basketball.

LY the gameplan was average 21 points/game and keep opposing teams under 21.

While we consistently kept teams under 21, we consistently couldn't do SJK inside the 40 and get points. JC17 was instructed to not be a hero and he obeyed.

I say JC17 needs to stop listening to that bull crap and start throwing the F'ing ball. You have a great defense. So what if you throw INTs. The drug addicted Favre leads all time in INTs and is still going to the HOF.

Throw. The. BALL.

Throw the ball

throw the ball.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Vick Thinks He Can Play 10 or 12 More Years
Posted by Mike Florio on April 3, 2009, 4:29 p.m.
Apparently, Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has yet to lose any of his physical abilities.

We say that because the soon-to-be 29-year-old still is under the impression that his physical skills will last forever.

Testifying Friday in connection with his bankruptcy action, Vick declared that he’s got perhaps more than a decade of football left in him.

“If I keep my body in shape, and do the right things, I think I have maybe 10 or 12 more years in my career,” Vick said.

Setting aside for now the question of whether Vick can pull a rare Darrell Green routine and retain speed and agility past his 40th birthday, the bigger question is when and if NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will reinstate Vick — and when and if an NFL team will expose itself to the P.R. debacle that is certain to result from a decision to give a man who killed canines in cold blood as part of a multi-state gambling and dogfighting ring another chance.

Vick’s agent, Joel Segal, wisely acknowledged during testimony on Thursday that Vick first must convince Goodell that he is worthy of reinstatement before a return to the NFL will even be possible. Previously, Vick’s lawyer claimed in written submissions that Vick “has every reason” to believe that Goodell will reinstate the No. 1 overall pick from the 2001 draft.

Segal also disclosed that Vick has a $600,000 deal to do a “television documentary,” which we assume is simply a classier version of the genre known generally as “reality show.”

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Who says Stafford is a QB? He could be a complete bust. What's Leinart been doin' latelty? How bout givin' Colt a chance b4 drafting another QB, but not as long as JC is here.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Who says Stafford is a QB? He could be a complete bust. What's Leinart been doin' latelty? How bout givin' Colt a chance b4 drafting another QB, but not as long as JC is here.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan"

no opinion on Staff or Leinart right now


but Colt Brennan SUCKS my god

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I think it is funny when everyone wants to say how awesome Campbell is and in the same breathe saying how Cutler sucks! If their numbers are similar doesnt that mean Campbell sucks!?

I have said several times Campbell is a great athlete but that isnt what its all about...

The guy has no heart... thats the problem here... The FO just sh*t all over him and he thinks things are going great!

Posted by: BenchCampbell

Actually, what we have been saying is that win/losses/percentage wise, Campbell and Cutler's stats are similar. Attitude? Totally different - Cutler's SUCKS! And I thought this last season after watching his surly self in his post game pressers.

FYI - Campbell is not being naive in saying that things are "going great" - he is simply being "smart" and saying the right things.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

FYI - Campbell is not being naive in saying that things are "going great" - he is simply being "smart" and saying the right things.
Posted by: Lisa_R | April 3, 2009 4:46 PM

Agreed. Seriously, we've watched him for years. Did you really expect him to be negative & piss & moan? I don't think so. He's much classier than that.

Posted by: will_ga | April 3, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

As much as the Campbell lovers and the african american QB lovers (sorry but everyone does realize where Wilbon is writng his articles from right?) want to say how similar they are, the facts are that Cutler ran his offense like a pro. Campbell lets the offense run him. If Cutler had a defense as good as Washingtons he would be on MT Rushmore by now. Campbell has a losing record with one of the top 5 overall defenses over the span of his carreer. Unacceptable. Cutler threw more int's but many more TD's as well and he didn't fumble like Jason. If you add Campbells fumbles in with his int's they have a similar number of turnovers. Cutler has a higher QB rating, completion %, a far higher yardage and TD average. They are not close. Yes JC17 is a nice guy and JC6 isn't but the bears are going back the NFC championship this year while the skins are going on vacation that week and more likely well before.

Posted by: dbrine1261


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Always amazes me how people can get it so wrong. Cutler played with superior talent, especially at OL and WR. He has 3 straight years playing for Shanahan, one of the best offensive coaches in the business. Cutler played against a very weak schedule, including ZERO games against any of the top 8 defenses.

Campbell played 8 games against top 8 defenses, spent 1 year under Zorn who had never even been a coordinator. This was Campbell's 3rd different system. Campbell had a so-so OL and James Thrash as his #3 WR!!

Yet, Campbell and Cutler had almost the identical QB rating.

I get that some people like Cutler. But the numbers don't bear it out. Campbell accomplished the same thing as Cutler against much much better competition with inferior talent and a lessor coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

You know Lisa ... they say the same things about Shawn Springs and even MWash. They think guys who aren't even half the player will be able to exceed not just meet the standards set by them.

It never happens ... high school fantasy football reprobates ... back to class!!!

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
Always amazes me how people can get it so wrong. Cutler played with superior talent, especially at OL and WR. He has 3 straight years playing for Shanahan, one of the best offensive coaches in the business. Cutler played against a very weak schedule, including ZERO games against any of the top 8 defenses.

Campbell played 8 games against top 8 defenses, spent 1 year under Zorn who had never even been a coordinator. This was Campbell's 3rd different system. Campbell had a so-so OL and James Thrash as his #3 WR!!

Yet, Campbell and Cutler had almost the identical QB rating.

I get that some people like Cutler. But the numbers don't bear it out. Campbell accomplished the same thing as Cutler against much much better competition with inferior talent and a lessor coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Amen to that!

Posted by: dante232 | April 3, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, those who actually suggest that Colt Brennan is the QB of the future must be smoking something.

Posted by: nrjlh | April 3, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

How many times do I have to say you can't take the stats from two QB's playing in two diFFerent systems on different teams, different head coaches, different schedules, etc.,etc.,etc., and say who's better. LOOK WHO WE WON OUR SUPER BOWLS WITH AT QB!!!If it was that easy every college QB picked in the first round would be tearing it up in the NFL....right. JC has the skills to be a top notch QB. Danny and Vinny just haven't givin' him the chance with some consistancy in the offense. Let's see if JC and Zorn IMPROVE this year b4 throwing them under the bus. Hell, we're giving Thomas and Kelly another year, aren't we?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 3, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

You must have a franchise QB to win the SB, and we don't have one.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM

Do you not remember Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Mark Rypien?

Posted by: scott44 | April 3, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

NRJJH stranger things have happened the guy has some talent I think we can all agree on that Kurt Warner came out of obscurity to now being a strong candidate for the HOF...

bottom line this is the NFL who knows

I am not saying Colt Brennan will ever be anything more than a guy holding a clipboard but I dont think we will know until or if he gets a chance

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that Malcolm Kelly is having his knee scoped again??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I know we need a good LDE, but we won't get Orakpo. So can the 'Skins just take the best R or G at #13 and get an LDE in the third round? I'm tired of seeing Soups flat on his back.

Posted by: swowra | April 3, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

...best T or G at #13...

Posted by: swowra | April 3, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

As much as the Campbell lovers and the african american QB lovers (sorry but everyone does realize where Wilbon is writng his articles from right?) want to say how similar they are, the facts are that Cutler ran his offense like a pro. Campbell lets the offense run him. If Cutler had a defense as good as Washingtons he would be on MT Rushmore by now. Campbell has a losing record with one of the top 5 overall defenses over the span of his carreer. Unacceptable. Cutler threw more int's but many more TD's as well and he didn't fumble like Jason. If you add Campbells fumbles in with his int's they have a similar number of turnovers. Cutler has a higher QB rating, completion %, a far higher yardage and TD average. They are not close. Yes JC17 is a nice guy and JC6 isn't but the bears are going back the NFC championship this year while the skins are going on vacation that week and more likely well before.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

No, "we" don't know where Wilbon is writing his articles from. Enlighten us. Is it something other than your stereotypical and unsupported assumption that because Wilbon and Campbell both happen to be black, Wilbon is automatically in the tank for him?

As for the numbers, it should be pointed out that Cutler's were compiled on a team that had better receivers and a better pass-blocking line, and a lousy defense that ensured that they would be involved in a lot of high-scoring games. JC6 also faced a considerably weaker group of defenses than did Campbell. Finally, if you are going to compare turnovers, compare apples to apples. In 37 career games, JC6 has had 45 turnovers (37 ints and 8 fumbles lost, and in 36 games, JC17 has had 32 (23 and 9, including only 1 fumble lost last year) Not as close as you claim. I believe that if the two had switched teams at the beginning of last season, JC17's stats would have looked more like JC6's, and vice-versa, than you seem to think.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 3, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Campbell brought us back from down 14-0 in philly and had an excellent game in dallas to lead us to victory there.

Road wins in the NFC East. Those don't come with a bad QB.

People can diss Campbell all they want, but there is plenty of evidence that he can play at this level and play well.

I'll buy that Cutler is a more exciting QB than Campbell. But excellence isn't the same thing as excitement.

Art Monk was excellent. Not so exciting. And it kept him out of the HOF for years.

Cutler is more exciting. But better? It hasn't shown up where it counts. On the field.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Just to comment on "dbrine1261" thread.
First, Campbell and Cutler are similar in several ways: QB rating for campbell is 84.3 and Cutler is 86, whats the upgrade? Campbell threw for 3245yds Cutler 4526 yds mostly garbage yards so whats the upgrade? Campbell had 13 TD and 6 INT and Cutler 25TD, but also 18 INT to go along with it, so where is the upgrade? Note that if Campbell had thrown for 26 TD, by extrapolation, he will only have 12 INT which is still far better than Cutler 18 INT. One important observation Campbell haters do not want to consider is that Cutler has been with only one coach and only one offensive system, Campbell has no luxury of offensive consistency until last year. Even just one year under Zorn, just look at how similar Campbell stats compare with that of the Golden Boy Cutler. Intangible wise? I will take a QB who will scramble for 1st down for his team, Campbell did it about 21 times, Cutler? 8 times all season. Also, consider the way Campbell handle his public lynching by Snyder and Vinny, now look at Cutler's attitude towards one of the best owners in the league.
Finally, just like you said in your thread, I am a proud lover of black QB. I judge by talent and not by color. As an American, the country voted to that effect recently. Although I will love Campbell to be the skins QB for years to come, but I will pray for him to have an injury free and a highly successful year and then request to be traded away from an owner who can only see good from another team while throwing his own star under the bus.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is truly a class act, and I believe that this experience was necessary for him to grow into an elite QB. What I mean, is that this adversity will leave a chip on his shoulder, and I expect him to respond. I actually expect the entire offense to respond as well, - to help support Campbell.

I believe he will be franchised next year, assuming there is a CBA extenstion, and he becomes a "true" Free Agent.

For some reason, - I believe the Skins will attempt to trade him next year, and look hard at obtaining Colt McCoy!

Posted by: sabrad5 | April 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It's very simple. The FO made it clear to Campbell that he needs to earn his next contract next season, and Campbell made it clear to them that he's going to show them everything he's got next season. Nothing more, nothing less. The FO knows he has the ability in him and are giving him another year to prove his worth. Otherwise, you would have seen them make a play for Leftwich or Warner or Collins or Cassel or any other QBs on the market. They didn't because they know Campbell has a shot to be great (even though they think Cutler has a better shot).

Posted by: psps23 | April 3, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind...

Malcolm Kelly continues to have problems with his knees and has yet to be cleared to participate in any offseason workouts

again I ask

why did we draft a guy with bad knees!!???

whos idea was this!? and how long do we keep him on the roster!??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 3, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's where Redskins fans lives suck: You don't up and root for another NFL team, that's not how it works. So we're stuck with dumb and dumber running the show for the next 35 years and that's the way it will be. Even if Vinny is fired in the next 2-5 years, accountability starts at the top and that's not going to change. We're stuck in a bad marriage with 2 mortgages and 4 children to put through college and your wife won't let you get a divorce. That's the life of a Redskins fan.

Posted by: rich20ssu


Best Post Of The Day

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 3, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I believe he will be franchised next year, assuming there is a CBA extenstion, and he becomes a "true" Free Agent.

For some reason, - I believe the Skins will attempt to trade him next year, and look hard at obtaining Colt McCoy!

Posted by: sabrad5 | April 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Right - and then they can get rid of Collins and have a frickin stable of Colts :)

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | April 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

At least this will be the last year we have to put up with this nonsense. Either Zorn and Campbell will both make big strides this year and lead us to the playoffs, or both will be gone after the 2009 season.

There is no way the next coach, Cowher, Shanahan, etc. will put up with Cousin Vinnie as his GM or allow The Danny to have a key to the War Room so he can try to pull another moronic move like he tried this week.

Think control-freak Marty on steroids.

My only hope is that they do not trade away any of the 2010 draft picks so the next coach/GM combo has some tools to rebuild this thing on a strong foundation
of reasonably-priced developing young players.

Posted by: hapster | April 3, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about Snyder and Cerrato being dolts for getting in the trade talks to begin with but at least it sounds like they're handling the aftermath like adults which is more than any of the idiots out here in Broncoland can claim.

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Franchise rate for a QB is ... what $17M? Skins like to pay that kind of money as a bonus to stretch out over several cap years.

If next year is uncapped, JC becomes an RFA. If we want him, we'll be able to sign him. (Or get two #1 picks...)

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Franchise rate for a QB is ... what $17M? Skins like to pay that kind of money as a bonus to stretch out over several cap years.

If next year is uncapped, JC becomes an RFA. If we want him, we'll be able to sign him. (Or get two #1 picks...)

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

1st round pick preferences (at #13)
1 Andre Smith
2 Brian Cushing
2a Michael Oher

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The only good thing to come out of this is that JC realizes this is his best shot at a future as a starter so making it work is in his best interest. Not that I doubt he'd do his best anyway.

Posted by: Gweez | April 3, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sri folks, nfc east:
Gints - 11-5
iggles - 9-7
girls - 9-7
skins - 9-7

last due to head to head

no more excuses bout coaching, rcvrs, o-l, just a very good def who can keep us in most games, but no better than average qb.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 3, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

WHy can't The Danny's helicpoter crash?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 3, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse


Who will/should the Skins pick at 13, etc etc? Seeing lots of mocks guessing various DE's... I like the idea of trying to trade down to get an Eben Britton or similar T, plus one of the 2 top rated C/G's, if possible...

Posted by: chasgiffen

After today's meeting gotta go O-line. I'd like to see them trade down. Maybe B.J. Raji will fall and someone will trade up for him, since now we know the B.J. stands for Bong Joint.

But Sanchez ont' be there to elicit a trade, and I think all four Big Four tackles will be gone.

Heard the "S" word on the radio today related to the USC linebackers. But no details. Could be disinformation, as are the drug rumors with Raji.

Posted by: TheCork | April 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

F Statistics.

Stats don't win games. This is a TEAM game, not basketball.

LY the gameplan was average 21 points/game and keep opposing teams under 21.

While we consistently kept teams under 21, we consistently couldn't do SJK inside the 40 and get points. JC17 was instructed to not be a hero and he obeyed.

I say JC17 needs to stop listening to that bull crap and start throwing the F'ing ball. You have a great defense. So what if you throw INTs. The drug addicted Favre leads all time in INTs and is still going to the HOF.

Throw. The. BALL.

Throw the ball

throw the ball.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 3, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Agree 4th

Posted by: leevi98 | April 3, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

1st Round pick preferences (at #13):

Andre Smith, OT
Tyson Jackson, DE
Rey Maualuga, LB (the USC LB not on steroids)
Michael Oher, OT
Robert Ayers, DE

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 3, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank God Jason Campbell is so understanding and well tempered. He may be pissed and hurt inside but doesn't show it like Jay Cutler did. Even after the rumors were swirling he still is at Redskins Park working out saying he needs to prepare for next year. I love Jason Campbell even more and hope he has a breakout year next year. Go Jason Campbell!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 3, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

What's the strongest unit on the team... secondary, right? I think the next focus should be making the O-line great... not good but great. We can't get excellent players for every hole (RT, LB, DE) overnight, so let's fix this unit, maybe this'll allow us to get that extra TD a game that would've given us 4 more wins last year (as I think someone wrote recently). The D line is far stronger with Albert and didn't really lose anything (JT had very little productivity, and P Daniels, while old, was a force until his injury), and we'll figure something out to hold us at LB for one more year (I saw someone say say Chris Wilson might be able to play on running downs, plus we still may get MWash back or sign some similar competent aging FA LB, as the Pats would do). Our D was #4 last year, it'll be fine. I think the next unit we should try to make "elite" is O-line... Plus we have to have a legit counter to the league's best D-lines: Giants, Steelers, Ravens, etc.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

(re: Chris Wilson, I meant to say... might be able to play LB on running downs)

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

You must have a franchise QB to win the SB, and we don't have one.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse


I disagree. I don't think Mark Rypien or Doug Williams were franchise quarterbacks.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | April 3, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Is it me, or does this dbrine1261 idiot sound alot like sports guru? Do yourself a favor, learn the game and not just off madden, then make a comment! Im willing to put everything on the line that you have no kind of athletic backgroung what so ever down to playing ping pong. JC17 hasn't spent two full years in nobodys system in the NFL as a starter and record still is better then Cutlers no matter which way you look at it! You give JC17 the same caliber oline and receiving corp as Cutler had and his numbers would have been almost Tom Brady like last year! Cutler had all that talent on offense, but yet and still made piss poor choices and turnovers at crucial times in the game. JC17 did exactly what Zorn asked of him. Protect the football and dont make turnovers. If we stop throwing all these bubble screens and 5 and outs, maybe just maybe we'll lure defenses from putting 10 in the box and blitzing so much. You have to give the defense to pull those cbs and safties off the line of scrimage to get something accomplished. Then again, im probably talking to someone who has no knowledge nor experience playing the game other then on a gaming system. JC17 is going to come out smoking this year and raise the bar on his next contract if all goes well. Tip my hat of to you JC17, you're playing a postition that half of the world wouldn't stand a chance in on a pro level let alone rec. ball.

Posted by: mikenda804 | April 3, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Plaxico was released by the Giants

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4040009

Posted by: Rusty6392 | April 3, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

So Plaxico has been officially released.

It won't be long before we get a blog entry that claims Snyder is negoiating with Burress' agent, the New York DA, and Mike Bloomberg.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 3, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Correct, Doug W was good but not elite (he had 1 Joe Montana quarter in the SB) and Rypien was never elite...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

OK, so let's move on... Who will/should the Skins pick at 13, etc etc? Seeing lots of mocks guessing various DE's... I like the idea of trying to trade down to get an Eben Britton or similar T, plus one of the 2 top rated C/G's, if possible...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 3:57 PM

I agree, the more I read, the more it seems that both Oher and Alabama's Smith have serious questions as future LT's. There will OT's equally qualified as them to be top RT's at the end of round 2 and beginning of round 3, so trade down, and use the additional 3rd or hopefully 2nd round pick to get an interior OL or strongside LB. Unlike many posters, with both Daniels and Wynn signed to stop the run at LE, I'd like to see Wilson, Jackson, and Buzbee get shots at giving us some pass rush from the LE spot as opposed to drafting someone else. Wilson has done well every chance he's had to play, and giving young guys chances to play on downs that count in one dimensional situations like obvious passing downs is a great way to evaluate and develop youngsters without exposing the team to diasaster.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 3, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Simply put, the Skins are the least talented team in the NFC East. All the teams have good running games. None of the teams have much in the way of WRs. Moss, when healthy, might be the best. But as soon as he strains his hammy, he's pretty average. Everyone but philly has a good TE.

OL is the area where we suffer the most relative the other teams. Big gap there. Our QB is probably the worst of the group, but its not much of a gap, top to bottom. They are all pretty good.

Our defense, which would be a strength in most any other division, is average here. All 4 teams finished in the top 8 in defense. We get a lot out of the talent we have. We added a beast in the middle of the line, which is a very good thing. Of course, osi and ware are both special players, we're not the only team with a major stud on the DL.

Our special teams are a problem. philly is a step ahead compared to the rest of the division. the jints somehow lucked into a top FG kicker.

The jints have the most well rounded team. No weakness, except maybe WR at this point. dal has more talent, but less to show for it. philly could go either way. mcnabb is still a very good QB, but his best (only?) weapon tends to get beat up. The philly defense without dawkins could take a major step back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The FO has zero confidence in Campbell and aside from what Zorn might be telling Campbell he may not either

Posted by: BenchCampbell

I still don't get it. After the continuous merry-go-round of coaches and offensive systems that Campbell has had to endure seemingly since he first picked up a football, and after having VERY inconsistent pass protection last year and basically no number 2 receiver as an option, he still threw for over 3000 yards, and had a 2-1 TD to interception ratio. Give the man a stud RT and a number 2 receiver than lets talk.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 3, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Get the F out of Dodge! Patrick Ramsey got signed by the Titans. I'm stunned he's still employed.

Posted by: will_ga | April 3, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Snyder are clowns.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | April 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse


That's an insult to clowns!

Posted by: stwasm | April 3, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will have a break-out year and then sign elsewhere, playing the Skins and torching them for sweet revenge for the clownshow that passes for the front office.

Posted by: i155133 | April 3, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I say we take Rey w/#13

Posted by: priceisright | April 3, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I still don't get it. After the continuous merry-go-round of coaches and offensive systems that Campbell has had to endure seemingly since he first picked up a football, and after having VERY inconsistent pass protection last year and basically no number 2 receiver as an option, he still threw for over 3000 yards, and had a 2-1 TD to interception ratio. Give the man a stud RT and a number 2 receiver than lets talk.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 3, 2009 6:24 PM

Amazing isn't it?

Posted by: edvar | April 3, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

1st round = O line (RT) Thomas

3rd round = Best LB/DE on the board

5th & 6th = Best DB's LB's available

That would be my plan, though I could consider flipping 1 & 3 depending on who falls to us.

I do NOT like moving up for a QB. Give Campbell this year. No excuses, up or out. Next years class looks much better for QB's

Posted by: edvar | April 3, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Hybrid Safety, Nickel corner
== Toler in the 6th round.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Maluagua is a middle line backer. The "Mike". They have two. Fletcher and HB Blades.

They need size and speed for the outside and they would do better picking someone in the 2nd round.

They have to find a way to draft Andre Smith ... in order to stabilize the offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Snyder are clowns.

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | April 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse


That's an insult to clowns!

Posted by: stwasm | April 3, 2009 6:59 PM

Yeah! Why are you picking on clowns like that?

Posted by: edvar | April 3, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Hybrid Safety, Nickel corner
== Toler in the 6th round.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 7:32 PM |

Per -

I think you are on the money with that one.

Posted by: edvar | April 3, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is being played large - and he's too stupid to figure it out.

Sad.

He's a fool and the brass are gettin' their jollies.

Snydr just wants to sell tickets and gear. Winning comes second to him.

Posted by: gdennie | April 3, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting married today. I'll see if I can get the congregation to spare a thought for moron number one and moron number two. lawd knows they need either spiritual or professional help. HTTR!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | April 3, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

How many times do I have to say you can't take the stats from two QB's playing in two diFFerent systems on different teams, different head coaches, different schedules, etc.,etc.,etc., and say who's better. LOOK WHO WE WON OUR SUPER BOWLS WITH AT QB!!!If it was that easy every college QB picked in the first round would be tearing it up in the NFL....right. JC has the skills to be a top notch QB. Danny and Vinny just haven't givin' him the chance with some consistancy in the offense. Let's see if JC and Zorn IMPROVE this year b4 throwing them under the bus. Hell, we're giving Thomas and Kelly another year, aren't we?

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

Vegas skins fan, I agree with you that it is not as simple as just moving stats from one team to another. What I disagree with is that Jason Campbell has the skills to be a top notch QB. There are bad habits that he has that he has not broken since college and that should tell you he probably never will. He will never think faster so he can make more than two checks to receivers, and he will always stare down his primary receiver. He will always hold the ball for too long and take too many sacks, and when he does he fumbles about every 5 sacks causing more turnovers. Joe Gibbs may have seen somethng and had a plan that would exploit whatever skills JC had. In another era he would have doen it by surrounding him with all pro talent so we couldn't see his deficiencies ala Mark Rypien, but this is a different time of the salary cap. The guy that touches the ball every play has to be special. Jason is far from that guy. The west coast offense requires all the things that JC17 is not. Of course noone can predict the future, but he has shown no evidence that this or any other year will be a breakout year. We are giving Thomas, Kelley, and Davis another year because they have not yet proved that they cannot do it. They do not have 30 frustrating games under them to have a body of work to grade. JC17 does, and he fails.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"Simply put, the Skins are the least talented team in the NFC East.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009"

Thank you. Every time I point that out, that even with the signing of Haynesworth, and partically because they signed him and really couldn't do anything else in the FA market ...

and the fact that the other BEAST teams are in a really excellent position to improve even more because of the number and position of their draft picks relative the Skins ...

I get hammered ....

We may be looking at the LAST PLACE TEAM in the NFC East.

UNLESS they can successfully convert Wilson/Jackson to a SAM, find another corner back (Toler?), draft a premium offensive tackle and center/guard who can start their first year ...

Vinnie did pick up those speedy FA 5' 7" PR scatbacks ... in fact now he becomes like a Jim Bowden with the Nats before this past year ... scrounging the edges for high risk, but high reward prospects who might pan out ...

Only 5 picks?

I like going for da locals ... more accountability ... can't go to the barbershop if you f$#%*@ up the Redskins game no matter which neighborhood you are from.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

perc- good points but why not pick Rey up work him at SAM and in a couple of years when London Broil is done put him in.
I would agree OL is a priority if not necessity but I think Rey is a heatseeking missle.

Posted by: priceisright | April 3, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"There are bad habits that he has that he has not broken since college and that should tell you he probably never will. He will never think faster so he can make more than two checks to receivers, and he will always stare down his primary receiver.

Vegasskin.."

I believe Mr. Cutler has worst habits. Also keep in mind this was Campbell's first full year as a starter (Cutler has had 3). His 3rd offensive system.

Again, for the umpteenth time let's go to the Scouts for a comparison report:

Jay Cutler

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 75 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Cutler became the starting quarterback during his rookie season. He needs some work on focusing on the game and not allowing outside distractions to throw him off his game. When he is focused and things are going well he can be dominating with his arm strength and ability to throw through small windows. He is mentally as well as physically tough and has the ability to remain calm under pressure, when he stays focused. He is a decent athlete with adequate scrambling skills, but is not going to turn a potential sack into a long gain too many times. He has the ability to throw on the move and can pull the trigger to get the ball off extremely quickly when the right color jersey flashes. He does have a tendency to try to force too many passes as is evidenced by his 14 interceptions. As he continues to learn to read coverages and improve his understanding of Denver's passing game, he should cut down on his number of mistakes and eventually become a top-level quarterback for a long time.


Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell 2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 74 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: He is a good overall athlete with good size and a strong arm. He has quick feet in his pass drops and set up. He adjusts quickly when he sees pressure, but doesn't have a great feel for the rush yet when his eyes are down field. He will get his eyes locked on receivers at times and be late to escape or avoid. He can buy time with his feet and he is a good athlete, once he is outside the box, to make plays with his legs. He needs to improve his overall vision and pocket adjustments. He will only get better with more experience. He has a little bit of a wind up release, but the ball comes off his hand quickly once he makes his decision. He showed good touch on underneath throws and a strong enough arm to deliver accurately on deeper throws. He has good touch on vertical routes and toward the sideline. He has enough arm strength to put good velocity on the ball and drive it into tight spots. He has shown improved timing with his three and five-step drops since becoming the starter. While he will pre-determine where he is going, he is accurate enough to get the ball into his receivers' hands. He has a good combination of size, athletic ability and arm strength. However, he needs to improve his ball security and overall feel for pressure. He is a solid, young player to build around. He will only get better with experience.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Why do fans think Vinny or Snyder "owes them something". Snyder bought the team with his money, he pays Cerrato to do a job and he must think he is OK at it because he keeps him and keeps on paying him. they owe you nothing.
Posted by: dbrine1261

Fair question, dbrine. First of all, you just don't "buy" an NFL team like a car or a house. It's a priviledge, not a right. It"s a long process, and part of that process is convincing the league that you are going to be a "good owner". You make a commitment to the fans and community that you are truly going to run the team in a way that will not just make the most money for you, which Snyder has done a great job at, but that will also bring the community a winner, which Snyder has failed at. So, yes, an owner does owe the fans something. Point two: every fan, player, and owner in any professional sport knows that rule one is that when a fan buys a ticket, the a TV sports package,or even a team souvenir, that fan also buys the right to criticize and scream vulgarities to their hearts content when they don't like the performance of the team, a player, a coach, an owner, or a front office. Its part of the deal.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Because we need another 1-2 seconds for Campbell & the WR's... and better holes for Portis...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

(that was for priceisright)

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"I would agree OL is a priority if not necessity but I think Rey is a heatseeking missle.

Posted by: priceisright | April 3, 2009"

I think they have been seriously looking at Clay Matthews and he is ranked higher ... first thing they look at is speed.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez ... probably going to Denver now ...

Production 3
Limited experience (only 16 starts) but his production was impressive during his brief collegiate career. He started all 13 games as a junior in 2008 and went 12-1 as the starter. He completed 65.8-percent of his passes for 3,207 yards passing, 34 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. Earned MVP of the 2009 Rose Bowl in final outing before declaring for the 2009 draft.

Height-Weight-Speed 2
Adequate height with a strong build. When healthy, he displays good speed and agility for the position.

Durability 3
Has been hindered by some nagging injuries but has not missed a start, as a result of one. Suffered a broken thumb early in 2007 season. Played through a dislocated kneecap injury in 2008, which he suffered during fall camp. Also suffered a bone bruise in his left knee during ?08 Oregon game but played the following week versus Arizona State.

Character 2
In April 2006, Sanchez was arrested after a female USC student accused him of sexual assault. He was released from jail the next day on $200,000 bail. On June 3, 2006, the LA County District Attorney's office announced no charges would be filed against Sanchez due to a "lack of sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt". Sanchez has had no off-the-field issues since. He is a hard worker with excellent football character. He takes his responsibility as a role model very seriously and anyone who interviews him will find him to be one of the most impressive individuals in the 2009 draft class.
Quarterback specific Traits

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Game Management 3
Inexperience is concerning. Still learning the nuances of the position and approach to leading an offensive unit. Still maturing as a decision maker, as well. However, he made noticeable strides in this regard as a junior in 2008. He understands the value of ball control and knows how to go through progression reads. He is a vocal leader with exceptional passion for the game. Coaches rave about his work ethic. He is tough and will play through pain. An excellent competitor.

Accuracy 2
Sanchez?s deep ball tends to float on occasion and Stafford makes harder throws (deep outs, comebacks, etc.) more accurately. But Sanchez is more consistently accurate in the short-to-intermediate zones ? particularly between the numbers. He displays very good touch. Gets the ball out quickly and throws a ?catchable? ball on quick-hitters. Knows how to drop the ball in between linebackers and safeties. Rarely misses an open target.

Release 1
Very quick release with solid overall mechanics in his delivery. Gets rid of the ball quickly, particularly when needed on underneath throws. Shows strong hands and great ball control. Exceptional when it comes to pump-faking and pulling the ball back.

Arm Strength 3
Arm strength is adequate but not great. He can make all the necessary throws in the NFL but he needs to be good with his timing on certain throws vertically and outside the numbers. Gets good zip on intermediate throws, especially over the middle. But can?t drive it vertically like Stafford and his deep outs take a bit too long to arrive.

Mobility 2
Very good pocket presence. Really improved in this area as a junior. Displays quick feet. Gets set quickly and shows agility to avoid the initial rush. Will step up in the pocket and also shows the foot speed to out-run the rush to the perimeter. Is a better athlete than appeared most of junior season, when he was battling a lingering knee injury.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

All three SC linebackers could go in the 1st round. Be interesting to see a team draft all 3 putting Maulaga in the middle with Cushing and Matthews outside.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Clay could work out for them if they trade back and pick up 2nd rounder but imo i wouldn't take him at 13 (esp. w/ the roid allegations).

Posted by: priceisright | April 3, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Here are the most interesting tidbits Scouts Inc. is hearing right now:

• The Buffalo Bills (No. 11 overall) are in the market for a pass rusher and tight end in the first round. There is concern that they'll be in no-man's land with the top pass rushers already off the board and no tight end worthy of being selected that high.

However, things could get interesting now that Jay Cutler has been traded and Denver will likely be in the market for a quarterback at No. 12. If USC QB Mark Sanchez is still on the board when the Bills come on the clock the phone could be ringing with offers from teams such as the New York Jets (No. 17) and Tampa Bay Buccaneers (No. 18), who could be looking to get ahead of the Broncos.

By trading back a few spots the Bills would receive an extra pick or two and still end up with a similar value at tight end (Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew) or defensive end (Florida State's Everette Brown).

• The Washington Redskins (No. 13) could look to trade back if the right offensive tackle or defensive end is not available. If a team has zoned in on Wells or Moreno it could look to move ahead of the Saints to secure the player it wants.

• The Houston Texans (No. 15) can sit tight and take the best available outside linebacker to fill a need. However, the Texans may get a juicy offer to trade back from a team looking to snatch up what's remaining from a top-heavy offensive tackle class. Houston is one spot ahead of the San Diego Chargers, who are also in the market for offensive tackle help. The Philadelphia Eagles would be the most likely candidate, given their pressing need at the position and the fact they have two first-round picks as ammunition if the right player is still on the board.

• San Diego (No. 16) is likely to move back if an offensive tackle of value, such as Alabama's Andre Smith or Mississippi's Michael Oher, is not available. However, their leverage could depend on which quarterback, if any, is still on the board at that point.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Fair question, dbrine. First of all, you just don't "buy" an NFL team like a car or a house. It's a priviledge, not a right. It"s a long process, and part of that process is convincing the league that you are going to be a "good owner". You make a commitment to the fans and community that you are truly going to run the team in a way that will not just make the most money for you, which Snyder has done a great job at, but that will also bring the community a winner, which Snyder has failed at. So, yes, an owner does owe the fans something. Point two: every fan, player, and owner in any professional sport knows that rule one is that when a fan buys a ticket, the a TV sports package,or even a team souvenir, that fan also buys the right to criticize and scream vulgarities to their hearts content when they don't like the performance of the team, a player, a coach, an owner, or a front office. Its part of the deal.

Posted by: kenboy1

Where do you get this stuff. When you get a team the NFL does not care about what you do for the fans. They want you to make them money and bring stability to the leage. In other words they don't want a revolving door of ownership. They LOVE Snyder as he makes more money for them than anyone. I do agree with you on one thing. You do have the right to criticize the team and whatever else you want to, and you have done it politely which is kind of different on here, but they still don't owe you anything or an explanation. They apparently did feel they owed their employee one and had a meeting with him which I think was the correct thing to do. Though I agree you cannot simply buy a team, I cannot fault Snyder for trying to give each and every coach that has been here exactly what he asked for to deliver a winner. He is not a football scout, but when he has seen the chance to significantly improve the team, he has tried. For that he gets much more vitriol than he deserves in my opinion.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

interesting..

Posted by: priceisright | April 3, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually Ken,

I just read a little closer i hope you didn't mean it when you said you think your ticket gives you the right to scream vulgarities unless you are doing it at home. you never have the right to do that, and yes they will throw you out of the game for it. But we get your point.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is definitely an class act. We ought to be, too.. knowing Snyder tried to improve the team. We need to move on and hope for the best in our players ability to improve. Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, so don't forget that. JC can become a franchise QB if he succeeds in Zorn's system.

Posted by: RedCherokee | April 3, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

For me, the burning question is -- do you trade down at a loss in order to get the deal done?
Particularly if the big 4 OTs are gone, and no one worthy of LDE (Tyson Jackson-sized), and you look at the difference between a USC LB at #13 and a 3rd rounder that will still be a solid athlete, maybe to trade with, say Detroit for their #1, #3, and #7, lose a few draft points in the deal, but make them up in Blog points Up Here.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

No, "we" don't know where Wilbon is writing his articles from. Enlighten us. Is it something other than your stereotypical and unsupported assumption that because Wilbon and Campbell both happen to be black, Wilbon is automatically in the tank for him?

rb palmer

If you read Wilbons body of work or listen to him without bias, you will come to the same conclusion that he is in fact "in the tank" for most african american QB's and Coaches, GM's etc. No matter what his background, his work screams this. He does seperate from these guys when they do the obvious "knucklehead" things dogfighting, constantly getting arrested and the like, but it seems to take a lot. In general they get a pass from him. I have no problem with his views and read all his work because when being objective he is a very good journalist, but he does use his position to champion the cause. If you don't agree that is fine, but his history makes a convincing argument.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

cload and daggar, I'm among the peeps who think trading down would be super duper. More picks = more players. That's pretty simple. And as a simpleton, I like simple.

Problem is, it's awfully hard to predict where things will stand in the middle of the first round, if it's one of those things where we make the trade during the draft (as you stipulate).

But again in the spirit of your question, I'm trying to figure out what would score the FO the most blog points at draft time. Good golly, that's a tough one. What's the BEST POSSIBLE outcome of this draft for the Skins? Hmm...

Oh, and it's even harder to predict what Vinny and Danny and Pepper and Goofy will have decided they need to accomplish in the draft. How they've monkeyed around a "best player available" ranking to align with their fantastic notions of what the team "needs."

Ah... I think we stay put at #13 and pick a defensive end or linebacker. I don't think they're going to pick OL. I don't trust 'em one iota.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I think you most often think of trading down because somebody else is desperate and they "make it worth your while".
With #13, you ought to be able to get someone with elite physical talent, 5-star talent, immediate starter at whatever position you choose [except QB, I suppose].
If they get to a point that, at #13, the 5-star athletes that remain can't get on the field (RB, TE, CB), or don't really fit the scheme (DE/LB hybrids), you hope that someone else wants to reach up and get one of those guys.
I tend to think we won't be the trade target -- that the action will happen just before us -- but I hope they've got the trade value charts memorized...

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"Ah... I think we stay put at #13 and pick a defensive end or linebacker. I don't think they're going to pick OL. I don't trust 'em one iota.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009"

With Oher you are probably right but if a guy like Andre Smith is there they will take him. Has way too much potential not to. I suspect that Vinnie will lobby Snidely just as hard as Buges will on this.

If he isn't there I expect they will trade down and select Eben Britton with a lower 1st round pick. Unless they decide to go CB.

Looks like they have a potential CB/FS right here in the area they could draft ... could be a starter in a year or two. Thanks to the article they may have to draft him ...

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"Top 10 Things Vinny Cerrato has Memorized"

yeah...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't know that Vinny and Danny were capable of being candid. See, you learn something every day.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 3, 2009"

I am sure they are ... but they, or at least Snyder, is more than capable of taking huge risks without considering the possible side effects, ramifications, and draw backs. Firing Norv Turner when his team still had a chance to make the playoffs. And the way he did it ... making him wait in a cold tunnel for 3 hours or more.

I think they are candid, also way too easy to figure out relative to their next moves, and unbelievably unconscious of what they are doing when they do it. Dim bulbs who want to burn brightly.

Posted by: periculum | April 3, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If you read Wilbons body of work or listen to him without bias, you will come to the same conclusion that he is in fact "in the tank" for most african american QB's and Coaches, GM's etc. No matter what his background, his work screams this. He does seperate from these guys when they do the obvious "knucklehead" things dogfighting, constantly getting arrested and the like, but it seems to take a lot. In general they get a pass from him. I have no problem with his views and read all his work because when being objective he is a very good journalist, but he does use his position to champion the cause. If you don't agree that is fine, but his history makes a convincing argument.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse
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Actually, if you look at the "body of comments" that have come from Campbell over the past two seasons, with his constant references to adversity he has overcome, and how he's got to pull from within to get through things, keep moving forward, not let it get to him (and a lot of this before the latest sideshow), you MIGHT get the idea that he thinks all the negativity about him is primarily race-based.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 3, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have 3 immediate needs. RT and OLB. DE is also a defensible, though not as immediately urgent with Wynn and Daniels. DT could be if Golston doesn't return.

Should be a quality guy at one of those positions at #13.

Still, I'd consider moving up if it meant getting the guy you really believe in, as opposed to the guy you think might also be good.

In 2009, we win with defense. We've seen 2 rookie LBs who have made huge impacts, Patrick Willis of SF and Mayo in NE. Add a talent like that to our defense in 2009, and we could be in the class with Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Meh. He's just another cog in the machine.
If it was King Vinnie, high in his fortress of solitude, watching film and making decisions, that would be one thing.
But it's not him in particular; Snyder clearly calls the shots, likes calling the shots, and thinks he's good at calling the shots. But getting angry about the owner is like getting angry about the nitrogen/oxygen mix in the atmosphere.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have 3 immediate needs. RT and OLB.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I was curious about that math too.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Another drink!

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually Ken,

I just read a little closer i hope you didn't mean it when you said you think your ticket gives you the right to scream vulgarities unless you are doing it at home. you never have the right to do that, and yes they will throw you out of the game for it. But we get your point.

Posted by: dbrine1261

No, dbrine, I use the volume of my voice, vigorous body movements (always using all of my fingers), and very insulting though G rated language to voice my displeasure. I'm not arguing Snyders legal rights or the NFL's true motivations. I'm talking about morale obligations. I'm talking about public promises and public statements by both the NFL and by Snyder. I closely watched the battle that raged over who would finally be allowed to buy the Skins, and I remember feeling deflated when Snyder beat out Cooke's son. Snyder is a joke throughout the league, as well as Skins fans, as is our FO. He stubbornly sticks with Vinny and refuses to bring on a true NFL GM, which NFL history has shown to be, with few exceptions, a requirement for building winning teams. They consistently follow the habits of losing teams and ignore the habits of winning teams. I maintain Snyder has broken the promise he made to the fans and the moral obligation he made to them when he bought the team.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 3, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell wants to "try to help this team get to that higher level."

Which higher level is the venerable Mr. Campbell referring to?

Top of the NFC East would be a nice start...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

According to Jason Campbell, the meeting at Redskins Park was "very successful."

What would've constituted a "less than very successful" meeting?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

No coffee.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"Coach Zorn has learned a lot, different stuff that can help us be more successful."

-Jason Campbell

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Different "stuff," huh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

No coffee would've been a bummer, true...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Above all else, "the thing I felt the best about was that I got a chance to talk about what I'm trying to do..."

-Jason Campbell

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What is Jason Campbell "trying" to do?

Perhaps, Jason Campbell shouldn't be "trying" sooooooo hard?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I think this is one of the greatest marketing ideas Dan Snyder has had as the owner of this team.

Snyder may not be able to judge talent, may not know much about football, but he does know how to MAKE MONEY. A franchise QB is not only a QB who can produce wins on the field, but is also a very marketable player who can make the franchise money through jersey sales, advertising and in many, many other ways. From reading posts on here over the offseason, its obvious while many respect the person Jason Campbell is, the fans have not rallied around him as a player. UNTIL NOW!!!

Now, everyone on here is bashing Snyder and Cerrato and rallying around Campbell. This season, will be all about Campbell sticking it to the front office for how they did him during the season. He'll get to do what so many of us wish we could, prove to Snyder he doesn't know what he's doing.

When you really look at it, the 13th pick and Campbell were never going to get it done. There is no way even this front office would give 2 first rounders, going three straight years without a first round pick. They didn't stand a chance from the beginning, yet stories were leaked to PFT and later to the DC media. None of the major outlets had the story.

I have a feeling Snyder played the media to his benefit and to Campbells as well. I could very well be wrong, but this guy isn't a Millionaire at his age by not knowing how to manipulate people and make money.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 3, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember where Jason Campbell was projected to be drafted the year he came out?

Posted by: isnadd | April 3, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember where Jason Campbell was projected to be drafted the year he came out?

Posted by: isnadd | April 3, 2009 9:56 PM

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Joe Gibbs can answer this question.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

From reading posts on here over the offseason, its obvious while many respect the person Jason Campbell is, the fans have not rallied around him as a player. UNTIL NOW!!!

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 3, 2009 9:54 PM

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False.

Fans have been rallying around Jason Campbell, the person and the player, for quite some time now.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

While I am happy this deal did not materialize, I think ownership has a right to make personnel moves that they feel will help the team win. I don't think it was a secret that they weren't sure about Campbell, as evidenced by their lack of an extension offer.

What should the FO said? Hey Jason, we're gonna shop you around? My issue was that Cutler may not be much of an upgrade, and jsut because he's a gunslinger doesn't make him the second coming of Brett Favre.

I think we're romanticizing JC a bit. We all knew he was a "nice kid" and a "class act", but that doesn't win football games. If Campbell plays lights out, then he's in the catbird's seat. That's how you shut up your critics.

The same people that are cryuing a river for how "bad" Campbell was treated by the FO are the same ones calling him "slow", "stupid", and "mediocre".

SICWIDIT

Posted by: rickyroge | April 3, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

6-2Stack:

He's a billionaire. With a B.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 3, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell-class act; Danny and Vinny-ass act( when does it end); let's draft the best wideout available- we only took two last year-who else drafts like these guys-oh yeah-Matt Millen Hang In Skins fans

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins' problems go far, far, far, far, far beyond Jason Campbell.

While the other JC may have represented a significant upgrade at the QB position, this team would be better served replenishing the rank and file positions through the draft.

This year, as was the case last year, we need more draft picks then we have at our disposal.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

But getting angry about the owner is like getting angry about the nitrogen/oxygen mix in the atmosphere.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 9:10 PM

That's about as clear an explanation as I've seen, but if everyone believed it there would be like four posts a day.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Has Six Flags share price crossed the $1.00 threshold yet?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember where Jason Campbell was projected to be drafted the year he came out?

Posted by: isnadd | April 3, 2009 9:56 PM

Late first/early second. But the 'Skins signalled to everyone that they wanted Campbell and then traded for Denver's first round pick a few days before the draft. If anyone else had valued Campbell as highly as the 'Skins did, then they would only have had to trade to the pick before the 'Skins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Lets not forget-we went to Dallas an Philly and won on the road last year- JC had only 6 ints for the season- how many drops by receivers- weak line- this offense isn't exactly loaded with talent- Portis, Cooley, maybe Moss- we get alot of talk and not much production from some of these other clowns- we got the tight end that sleeps late- the wideout that was supposed to be a red zone threat,but can't stay on the field- and the kid that has one good year at Mich St. and figures he doesn't have to work hard- and Vinny's planning our next draft- our super talent evaluator- plus he gets a radio show- unreal

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

That's about as clear an explanation as I've seen, but if everyone believed it there would be like four posts a day.

... and monty python jokes, and haiku.

Some would say potayto, potahto.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ch-ch-ch-Chia!

I've been hankerin' for a hunka haiku.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

No one says "potahto" that I've ever heard.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Going into the draft-we need young offensive lineman- a DE- a young linebacker- younger depth at RB- oh yeah Vinny and Dan traded our 2'nd for a dancer and a prancer- when Parcells calls-why would they ever consider that they might get the best end of a trade with someone that knows football- we got plenty of picks and two geniuses to feel very7 confident going into this draft- it will be a miracle if we get one player that contributes, look at their history-this gets more frustrating by the minute- anyways, anybody got extra ticket for the opener Hang In skins fans

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Has Six Flags share price crossed the $1.00 threshold yet?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:15 PM

Yeah, in the downward direction. It's $.24 a share. I say it's going to zero. 4th thinks it's still going back up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Going into the draft-we need young offensive lineman- a DE- a young linebacker- younger depth at RB

Ahem. I was told we had only three immediate needs. I'm still waiting for the third, but you can't just jump to four with no warning.

Posted by: daggar | April 3, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Trading those draft picks for Jason Taylor was totally worth it.

No regrets, baby.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

$.24 per share?

So, this is the time to buy then?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

False.

Fans have been rallying around Jason Campbell, the person and the player, for quite some time now.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:04 PM

Has Six Flags share price crossed the $1.00 threshold yet?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:15 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Chia,

First, I don't know if you listen to sportstalk radio or read a lot on here but to say that is False is ill informed at best. People have questioned his heart, his intelligence and his ability all offseason and during most of last season.

Second, Snyder has made money off of Six Flags EVERY YEAR since he's been involved. The share price is down because of debt inherited with the purchase and until that debt is paid off, the valuation will be low. However, just because share price is low doesn't mean its not making money. They don't work hand in hand.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 3, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fan 's dream- We sign Plaxico- he takes our three picks from last year under his wing- they decide to go hunting with Dick Cheney- we allready know what a marksman Plaxico is and with Cheney along to assist-they bring Vinny and Dan along- oh crap just woke up

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Gee, thanks for clearing that up 6-2.

If what I said was "ill informed, at best," I'm curious as to what it was, at worst?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

However, just because share price is low doesn't mean its not making money. They don't work hand in hand.


Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 3, 2009 10:32 PM

You're out of your tree, stack. Six Flags has never made money since Snyder's been involved. Everything they take in goes to pay the debt, meaning there is no profit, only loss. And that's exactly why the stock has dropped from $12 to 24 cents.

In August, they have a big debt payment due and they won't have enough to pay it. That's when they will be bankrupt. The debt holders will own the company and the stock will be worthless.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Share price down but they make money- it doesn't go hand in hand- crap everyone on Wallstreet must be stupid ( on second thought)

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Chia, Monster, maybe the middle ground where the truth can be found is that Campbell supporters and detractors have been posting comments up here and elsewhere for a long time now. The Cutlerbingus simply provided a new lens through which Campbell could be viewed, by comparison to Cutler.

Just a hunch, but I don't believe anybody's mind was changed about Campbell by the past few days' Yakety Sax shenanigans on the part of the front office.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Hail to the Caps for winning their division for the second season in a row.

Granted, as sporting divisions go, the Caps' division is the exact opposite of the Redskins' division. But still.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor just resigned with the Dolphins-Parcells just called Vinny-Vinny says no way your getting another second for Taylor_______(long pause) best I can do is a third

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

This little episode doesn't even crack my top 5 for most frustrating things with this team. So Campbell's feelings were a little hurt...get over it. It's a business, but I still don't understand...

1) Why Zorn kept Thomas and Kelly off the field.

2) Why ARE was still allowed to return punts.

3) Why we run Portis, a 5'10" 200lb. RB between the tackles for 16 games and expect him to stay healthy.

THESE are the decisions that drive my nuts!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 3, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

resigned, or re-signed?

Good golly, it's Friday night! Have fun out there, peeps.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

1st 3 headlines to show up after searching for "Six Flags" in the local ATL paper:

Bankruptcy looms for six flaga......
Beating victim sues six flags.......
Boy decapitated on roller coaster.......

Not a good sign for future earnings potential.

Posted by: will_ga | April 3, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

RING,RING, RING- hello is Vinny there, this is Bill Belichek- I here you guys need some depth in the defensive backfield- Vinny goes -"yeeaahhh, what chu thenken Mr Beelichuk" news flash ESPN -Redskins acquire Shawn Springs for fifth round pick

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

News Flash Jason Taylor resigned ( crap I mean RE-SIGNED) darn its FRIDAY- I need to get a life- allready wasted too many hours following the Skins, and now these useless post on Jason LaCanfora's site-whats it all mean ( anyone got an extra ticket for the opener?)

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm done following the Skins, this sucks- I'm going to start investing in stocks, do something useful with my time- been watching that little baby get rich during commercials of the game----------_______ hey , just got a great deal on Six Flags stock, just thought I would let you guys know

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Just got 4 shares of Six Flags and it only cost $10.00 a trade- spoke with my broker, told me it was a good deal- some guy named Vinny

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Gee, thanks for clearing that up 6-2.

If what I said was "ill informed, at best," I'm curious as to what it was, at worst?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 10:35 PM
__________________________

Completely clueless! Out of touch! I could go on but I think you get it.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 3, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

need a vinny joke

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

A little kid comes home from school one day and goes, "I raised my hand and teacher called on me and I finally got one right!" HIs mom gives the boy a big hug, a kiss, and makes him a sandwich. Has they are talking the Mom ask little Vinny "what question did you answer son? "
he answers," who passed gas ?".

Posted by: antho77420 | April 3, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

You're out of your tree, stack. Six Flags has never made money since Snyder's been involved. Everything they take in goes to pay the debt, meaning there is no profit, only loss. And that's exactly why the stock has dropped from $12 to 24 cents.

In August, they have a big debt payment due and they won't have enough to pay it. That's when they will be bankrupt. The debt holders will own the company and the stock will be worthless.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:37 PM
_____________________________
Actually, Six Flags revenues increased last year by 50.5 Million, a 5% increase.(Snyder makes money) They are negotiating with creditors to restructure their debt before the Aug 15 deadline, if that doesn't work, then they file Chapter 11 bankruptcy which will allow the company to restructure debt, stay in business and increase revenue while having court protection in its payment schedule. Since the company has increased revenues since Snyder has taken over, it is VERY likely the creditors keep him in charge(Snyder makes money). Lastly, the loss of value in shares offsets Snyders tax payments from the profits of his other businesses, leaving him with more of a savings over the past 2 years than his initial investment into Six Flags(Snyder makes money).

If understanding that Snyder has made money from his investment makes me out of my tree well then I agree with you.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 4, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Little Redskins draft history-late rounds 2005-dallas sartz, tyler ecker, jordan palmer; 2005- manuel whire, robert mccune maybe Vinny should trade our picks we've hit on Jason
Taylor, T.J Duckett- oh wait , that didn't work out either-- could sign deion, jeff george, get rid of that little runt Trent Green, crap, what is working there is only one thing holding this together SKINS FANS!!!!!!! but why does the anticipation of the draft worry me?

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato's statement on JC was the most idiotic statement ever: we told JC we contacted Denver about Cutler. Duh, didn't he know that that cat was out of the bag, oh about 48 hours or so earlier? Or did Vinny not read any of the gazillion news stories that reported that story to the other 360 million of us?

Posted by: MoralProtagonist | April 4, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Vinny strolls to the podium-"with the 13'th pick, you have to stick with your plan and take the best player on the board-= that is why the redskins select Hakeem Nicks- wr- North Carolina----AAAHHHHHGGGGGG! i've just woken up again- please let me finish the Plaxico and
Dick Cheney dream where they take Vinny and Dan hunting, please

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney/ Plaxico Burress School of markmanship and manhood, but you can't have both, all weapons must be kept in pockets or pointing at someone, safeties off- shoot the first thing that moves- yell "Quail"
(alcohol provided)( bring someone else's friend, not your own)

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Does Jack Kent Cooke look down and go " what have those boys done to my franchise" we all long for the good old days.or just a return to respectability, sound management, players you could be proud of that EARNED it On the Field, signing off, Skins Fan

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I’m glad we will have the chance to see what JC can do in the 2nd year of Z’s offense, or any offense for that matter, dating back to college. I like JC, he is a class act with no character flaws but he is playing on credit. The bottom line is you have to win, and win now JC. You are no longer our future QB, no more excuses. You need to play like it’s your last year, because it just might be. You could easily be the next Byron Left, that’s not a compliment. Take some chances, throw it up, scramble more, but stop taking so many damn sacks, I would like to see more INTs if it means more touchdowns. The D should be able to bail you out a little more this year.

Posted by: BallsDeep | April 4, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

antho, you'd think if JKC had given a damn what happened to the team after he was gone, he might have done a better job making arrangements...

As screwed up as things have been under Snyder, at least we know who the owner is. It's hard to describe how bizarre that limo was, between JKC and dumb old John Kent Cooke and the league and the trustees and Howard Milstein... ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

The LIMBO was quite bizarre.

The limo was not bizarre at all. Standard, garden-variety limousine.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

You're out of your tree, stack. Six Flags has never made money since Snyder's been involved. Everything they take in goes to pay the debt, meaning there is no profit, only loss. And that's exactly why the stock has dropped from $12 to 24 cents.

In August, they have a big debt payment due and they won't have enough to pay it. That's when they will be bankrupt. The debt holders will own the company and the stock will be worthless.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 3, 2009 10:37 PM
_____________________________
Actually, Six Flags revenues increased last year by 50.5 Million, a 5% increase.(Snyder makes money) They are negotiating with creditors to restructure their debt before the Aug 15 deadline, if that doesn't work, then they file Chapter 11 bankruptcy which will allow the company to restructure debt, stay in business and increase revenue while having court protection in its payment schedule. Since the company has increased revenues since Snyder has taken over, it is VERY likely the creditors keep him in charge(Snyder makes money). Lastly, the loss of value in shares offsets Snyders tax payments from the profits of his other businesses, leaving him with more of a savings over the past 2 years than his initial investment into Six Flags(Snyder makes money).

If understanding that Snyder has made money from his investment makes me out of my tree well then I agree with you.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 4, 2009 12:02 AM


Stack, you back in the tree. I've been following six flags for a while, you are dead on with that analysis. Granted, with the economic situation as it is, you have to wonder how the bankruptcy mudge will look at the summer performance.

Back to football.

Player A passer ratings year 1-3
88.5
88.1
86
Player B passer ratings year 1-3
76.5
77.6
84.3

I would hope everyone here knows who is who, but the point is, we can sit around and wait for the dude to develop....

Or, if there is a way to improve the reason we lose games (offensive struggles) immediately, we take it.

Yes ,we have many needs on OL/DL/SLB but we must realize that Vinny isnt good at drafting players, but NFL stats dont lie.

I still back JC17 b/c I saw him play at AU and he was in complete control. But I havent seen that yet on this level.

FO is not at fault at all for trying to BETTER THE TEAM.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | April 4, 2009 3:05 AM | Report abuse

'Does Jack Kent Cooke look down and go " whathave those boys done to my franchise"

Jack was a tough business man. What makes you so certain he's looking "down" on the Redskins?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Let's all move on.....this whole Cutler thing was a blown out of proportion story by JLC and JR......

Snyder & Cerrato did what ANY front office is supposed to do.....ascertain whether a move will be beneficial to a team.

Who knows how far they got into negotiations??? No reliable news source actually reported the REDSKINS as the lead contender save for these hack WaPo writers.

Considering the amount of negativity that comes from Redskins Insider...I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up just to spite the team.

Anyhoo....the REDSKINS move on.....Campbell has further incentive to prove he is worth a new contract. It is about time he developed an edge as the leader of this team as part of his development.

And everyone knows....whoever does manage to become the franchise QB of the skins will get the largest contract EVER for a QB.

Posted by: goosedude | April 4, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Six Flags revenues increased last year by 50.5 Million, a 5% increase.(Snyder makes money) They are negotiating with creditors to restructure their debt before the Aug 15 deadline, if that doesn't work, then they file Chapter 11 bankruptcy which will allow the company to restructure debt, stay in business and increase revenue while having court protection in its payment schedule. Since the company has increased revenues since Snyder has taken over, it is VERY likely the creditors keep him in charge(Snyder makes money). Lastly, the loss of value in shares offsets Snyders tax payments from the profits of his other businesses, leaving him with more of a savings over the past 2 years than his initial investment into Six Flags(Snyder makes money).

If understanding that Snyder has made money from his investment makes me out of my tree well then I agree with you.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | April 4, 2009 12:02 AM

Last calendar year Six Flags revenue was $1,021 million. Six Flags posted a loss on that revenue of $113 million. Their revenue is not sufficient to cover their costs. That is a loss of $.83 per share. If that's your idea of "making money" then now would be a good time for you to invest in Six Flags stock. You can pay $.27 for a share of stock which lost $.83.

Snyder's ownership interest in Six Flags is about 5%. The only way he could realize tax losses to apply against other operations would be to sell his stock. He hasn't sold it, so I don't see how these losses have helped him.

If the company goes into bankruptcy, then the stock is worthless. Snyder could then write off the losses against profits on other operations and reduce his taxes. But he reduces his taxes by far less than his losses.

You are wrong to say "they are negotiating with creditors." One of the creditors has refused to meet with management.

In bankruptcy Snyder has no control over the outcome and there is no reason to believe that the creditors would want to keep him in control of the company.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

This whole deal may be a blessing in disguise. Often times controversy and near breakups spurs the competiveness in all parties involved.

JC needed a step up in his game and Zorn also may tweak his WC offense more to the talent of JC.

JC has homeruns in that arm of his but throwing for the fence 'sotospeak' was never seriously incoporated into the Gameplan.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 4, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

JC has homeruns in that arm of his but throwing for the fence 'sotospeak' was never seriously incoporated into the Gameplan.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD****

Gibbs told him to manage the game and not make mistakes. He is too risk averse IMO.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 4, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Rumor at FanNation why 'Skins didn't land Cutler:

"In the end, Denver did not want Jason Campbell. And that's why Jay Cutler is headed to Chicago. According to a source involved in the discussions, the Redskins were closing in on a three-way deal Thursday afternoon that involved Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn going to Denver. The source said he was told that the deal was likely to happen soon. The Examiner reported that a deal was close. Indeed, a CBS affiliate in Denver also reported that Jay Cutler had told them he was told by his agent that he was going to Washington. ESPN also reported that the Redskins were at the top of the list and a deal could happen at any time. However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver's preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell. So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick."

Posted by: swowra | April 4, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I really don't see us trading up for a QB at this point.

First, becuase if Danny wanted to pursue someone he believed to be a franchise-caliber QB, he's not gonna get one in the draft. Culter was more of a proven commodity than JC17 (in his opinion). JC17 is closer than Stafford/Sanchez at this point, and with this being a contract year, JC17 has all the incentive to step up and play for his career.

Second, if the pundits have any credibility at all, then we are looking at Detroit, NYJ, Denver, Jax, SF and perhaps Seattle in the mix to make some hard plays for Stafford and/or Sanchez. The Skins didn't have the ammo to make the Cutler thing happen and I don't see them breaking the bank to get one of those guys in the draft with all that competition, especially when it is not a high priority need like some other positions.


Of course, what I am saying is based on rational thinking, which can never be assumed when LLoyd and Harry are at the helm of the Shaggin Wagon...

Posted by: p1funk | April 4, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I still back JC17 b/c I saw him play at AU and he was in complete control. But I havent seen that yet on this level.

FO is not at fault at all for trying to BETTER THE TEAM.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | April 4, 2009 3:05 AM | Report abuse

FO is absolutely at fault for changing coaches and offensive systems every year since JC17 started to play. Which has absolutely hampered his development and created all the circumstances for the FO feeling like they need to "improve" at the position.

I would seriously like to see how Peyton Manning or Eli Manning or Jay Cutler would fare if you gave him a brand new offense to learn every year with brand new coaches...and in the case of Jay Culter, we will see how that works out...


Posted by: p1funk | April 4, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Funny, I was just remembering the NE-NY Super Bowl of two years ago. I happened to be reading the NY papers near the end of the regular season and noted the comments boards were full of the same sort of questions about Eli Manning that you're now hearing about Campbell and Cutler -- sure, the numbers show improvement, but will the guy ever be good enough to win the Big One? Sentiment was running about two to one against. People worried about the Jints home record being a sign that Eli couldn't handle pressure, and about him always being in the shadow of his brother, and by the way, did you know his numbers weren't much more than average for a playoff QB?

So how could a guy like that possibly lead a team to a SB victory?

You don't hear a lot of that any more. Some, but not a lot.

It's like the Wizard of Oz -- what these guys need is a diploma, in the form of that trophy.

So in answer to the question, is Campbell good enough to lead the SKins to a SB victory? Is Cutler to lead the Bears?

Oh heck yes.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So in answer to the question, is Campbell good enough to lead the SKins to a SB victory? Is Cutler to lead the Bears?

Oh heck yes.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Not only Eli Manning, but you look at some other QBs like Trent Green, Drew Brees and Steve McNair who had very pedestrian years in the NFL before it came together and they became ProBowl caliber QBs who led teams into the playoffs.

I've said all along that JC17 is definitely NOT a Tom Brady - Kurt Warner - Matt Ryan type who can just step in and light it up.

But if you take the more traditional standard approach of actually developing a QB in the same offense over the course of a few seasons he seems to have the tools to put it together...we'll see...

Posted by: p1funk | April 4, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Let's all move on.....this whole Cutler thing was a blown out of proportion story by JLC and JR......

Considering the amount of negativity that comes from Redskins Insider...I wouldn't be surprised if they made it up just to spite the team."

goosedude

In other news goosey believes the earth is not only flat but only 6000 years old and that humans lived along side t-rex......

Posted by: chrislarry | April 4, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

'SKINS should look at CORNELIUS LEWIS, 6'4" 330, TENNESSEE STATE in the 5th round as RG back-up for RANDY THOMAS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 4, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

According to Jason Campbell, the meeting at Redskins Park was "very successful."

What would've constituted a "less than very successful" meeting?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 3, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

LOL... Ask Jay Cutler ;->

Posted by: siris | April 4, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Q: How were the happiest two people that Cutler went to The Bears instead of The Redskins?

A: 1. Mccaskey
2. Jerry Jones

nough said.

Posted by: nomolehill | April 4, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Plaxico Burress?

Here's one man who could help Jason Campbell reach that "higher level."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Snyder Whiffs on Cutler, Gutshots His QB, Recovers Nicely"

John Corcoran column on NFLDraftdog.com about Cutler/Campbell etc.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Plaxico Burress?

Here's one man who could help Jason Campbell reach that "higher level."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 4, 2009 10:52 AM

Jason will have to be incarcerated to throw the ball to Plaxico.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

In other news goosey believes the earth is not only flat but only 6000 years old and that humans lived along side t-rex......

Well, yeah, I saw that documentary with Ringo Starr and Barbara Bach. Maybe you have to say "in fear of" instead of "alongside", but that's potayto-potahto...

Yes, my blog comments are being sponsored by the AMerican Potato Lovers and Eaters (AMPLE). Why do you ask?

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

In other news goosey believes the earth is not only flat but only 6000 years old and that humans lived along side t-rex......

Well, yeah, I saw that documentary with Ringo Starr and Barbara Bach. Maybe you have to say "in fear of" instead of "alongside", but that's potayto-potahto...

Yes, my blog comments are being sponsored by the AMerican Potato Lovers and Eaters (AMPLE). Why do you ask?

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

... the comments boards were full of the same sort of questions about Eli Manning that you're now hearing about Campbell and Cutler ... So in answer to the question, is Campbell good enough to lead the SKins to a SB victory? Oh heck yes.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 9:35 AM |

Coming out of college Manning and Cutler were polished QBs, Campbell a raw prospect that Gibbs was willing to take a flyer on. Campbell's mechanics are still suspect and this will hold him back as it has not held back the other two.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

hmm. the mystery of the double-post reappears.

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"FO is absolutely at fault for changing coaches and offensive systems every year since JC17 started to play. Which has absolutely hampered his development and created all the circumstances for the FO feeling like they need to "improve" at the position.

Posted by: p1funk"

Dude, that was not the FO, that was Gibbs. Gibbs drafted Campbell, then brought in Saunders, then quit. Maybe the FO could have kept Saunders, but how was that offense working? There has only been one head coach change since Campbell was brought in.

The FO can be blamed for many of the Skins problems, but not the one you are claiming here.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It was worth it, cloadie. Anything to evoke the memory of Atouk and his prehistoric shenanigans is welcome.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

For lo these many years, when the fuddy duddy Bears went to Vegas they had been content to while away their time at the penny ante poker table while high rollers at other tables were courting ruin with multi-million dollar bets. Then all of a sudden the Bears showed up at Vegas the other day, went directly to the roulette table and dumped a mountain of chips on red. It don't make no sense.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 4, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Denver made out like a banker on that deal to Chicago- now they'll be able to trade up and take Sanchez or Rattford..and still draft a top defensive player!!
No way Danny should make a "Glamour-Pick" and pick up a 1st round QB or WR..Do the yeoman-owner's work and pickup a LINEMAN, for the long term health of the organization..

Posted by: frak | April 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerato drove the 49ers into cap hell and now he is doing the same thing to the Redskins! I just cannot understand what the heck Danny boy see`s in him that makes him want to hold on to him! The Redskins will never and I mean NEVER win anything unless they get a real team manager!!! I think that Danny likes having Vinny lead him around by the nose. Does Vinny have something on Danny that we do not know about? Do they swap partners or what? If Danny is supposed to be so smart then why in the heck is he putting up with Vinny? Can anyone explain this to me? Please!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | April 4, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

VINNY MUST GO!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | April 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Kiper weighs in :

Kiper: Cassel > Cutler

Cutler's complaining came about because the Denver Broncos tried to trade Cutler in a three-team deal that would have brought over Matt Cassel from New England. But when the trade fell through, Cutler started to complain.

Kiper says Cassel would have been an "upgrade" over Cutler and that Cutler is, to put it mildly, overrated. {According to ESPN's
new quarterback rating equations this is an
understatement. It clearly shows that Campbell
has the best chance to be a so-called franchise QB ... in the top 5 of QBs drafted since 1997.

"[Cutler] throws one pass, he's a Hall of Famer," Kiper says. "I've seen the media put him in the Hall of Fame. I had to run to the bathroom quick. It was making me ill. I've been hearing this overhype.

"This guy was overhyped at the combine, he was overhyped at Senior Bowl week, he's been overhyped before he was drafted. The media, they love Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler can do no wrong. I've been saying he's overrated since day one. Everyone's been pounding their chests saying, 'Oh, I love Jay Cutler, I'm a genius.' They have egg on their face now."

Kiper points out that Cutler has yet to lead the Broncos to a winning record or a playoff appearance. Also, Kiper says, "[Cutler] makes throws that leave you scratching your head, which I said on draft day when he was picked. Yeah, he's got a strong arm, but my daughter knew he had a strong arm. She could've written that report."

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Kiper weighs in ... continued ...

Kiper compares Cutler to Jeff George. "Jeff George had a great arm, and Jeff George had a lot of great games in this league, and people were putting Jeff George in the HOF early in his career," Kiper says. "So I'm just telling you, this is ridiculous."

Also, Cutler once said he had a better arm than John Elway. Not surprisingly, Kiper isn't a big fan of that comment, either. "So what? Who cares? Why would you make a comparison to John Elway? That could be taken like you're in a position to critique the quarterback that is a legend."

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

For Mista Moe, Lisa R and myself ....

Cornerbacks

Back to discussing the draft. "There isn't that one true shutdown cornerback available this year," Kiper says. "And after the subpar 40 times run by the defensive backs at the combine workout, this position isn't really as strong or as deep as originally anticipated."

Michael Jenkins, Ohio State: "Jenkins is barely maintaining his spot as the No. 1 cornerback," Kiper says. Although Kiper points out that Jenkins "brings a ton of experience and sound technique to the position," he ran a 4.55 40-yard dash at the combine, which makes Kiper worry whether he's worthy of first-round consideration.

Vontae Davis, Illinois: Davis is on Jenkins' heels as the top cornerback in this class. But "he lacks the necessary consistency and is still a work in progress," Kiper says. "But physically, he has the awesome physical talent you look for to warrant a first-round grade."

D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt: Kiper says he has impressive cover skills, good return skills, smooth hips and good ball skills, but he lacks good recovery speed.

Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest: "The 5-9, 193-pounder would be a first-round lock if he were a few inches taller and a bit faster," Kiper says.

Darius Butler, Connecticut: Butler is a multiskilled athlete with outstanding recovery speed, Kiper says. Butler also saw action on offense, with nine receptions, and is a solid kick returner.

Underrated: Donald Washington, Ohio State: Washington left school early, a move that many people questioned, but Kiper says he is a solid second-rounder and will draw consideration in the latter portion of Round 1. "He has the physical skills you look for," Kiper says.

Others with early-round potential

* Jairus Byrd, Oregon
* Keenan Lewis, Oregon State
* Brandon Hughes, Oregon State
* Captain Munnerlyn, South Carolina
* Sean Smith, Utah
* Asher Allen, Georgia
* Jerraud Powers, Auburn

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Outside linebackers

"While there are several high-profile inside linebackers, there's no question the outside linebacker spot is much better when it comes to talent and overall depth," Kiper says. He predicts that as many as four outside linebackers could be chosen in Round 1 of the draft.

Aaron Curry, Wake Forest: Curry is the top player on Kiper's draft board. The multidimensional linebacker gets "high grades in all aspects of outside linebacker play." Kiper says he is destined to be a perennial Pro Bowler.

Brian Cushing, USC: Kiper says Cushing is able to perform effectively in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. Also, he is more "proven and battle-tested" than his teammate Clay Matthews.

Clay Matthews, USC: Matthews is in the Mike Vrabel mold and excels as a pass-rusher, Kiper reports. He is rocketing up draft boards after one season as a starter at USC.

Larry English, Northern Illinois: "He was a force to be reckoned with with the Huskies."

Clint Sintim, Virginia: "He has the talent and wingspan to operate on his feet or shift to a down defensive end position." He likely will be drafted in the second round.

Inside linebackers

Rey Maualuga, USC: "He ranks as one of the hardest-hitting tacklers you will ever come across."

James Laurinaitis, Ohio State: "He isn't flashy and lacks awesome computer numbers, but he gets extremely high grades in the consistency department." Kiper believes he needs to be protected by quality defensive tackle play.

Others with early-round potential

* Jason Phillips, TCU
* Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
* Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina
* Gerald McRath, Southern Mississippi
* Darry Beckwith, LSU

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Safeties

Because USC's Taylor Mays opted to return to school, there isn't a true star at safety in this draft, Kiper says.

William Moore, Missouri: After his junior season, in which he made eight interceptions, he was considered a first-round pick. But Kiper says a foot injury early in his senior season caused him to have just one pick last season. However, he ran an "impressive" 4.5-second 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. "He could turn out to be a steal in Round 2," Kiper says.

Louis Delmas, Western Michigan: "A true ball hawk at free safety."

Rashad Johnson, Alabama: "Had a spectacular year in the SEC, evidenced by his three-interception performance against LSU back in early November," Kiper says. He adds that Johnson is smart and instinctive, with his only weakness being a lack of ideal size (5-foot-11, 202 pounds).

Others with early-round potential

* Emanuel Cook, South Carolina
* Patrick Chung, Oregon
* Sherrod Martin, Troy
* Darcel McBath, Texas Tech
* Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest
* David Bruton, Notre Dame
* Michael Hamlin, Clemson

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

VINNY MUST GO!!!

Posted by: cherrywatts42 | April 4, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

FO is absolutely at fault for changing coaches and offensive systems every year since JC17 started to play. Which has absolutely hampered his development and created all the circumstances for the FO feeling like they need to "improve" at the position.

posted by: pfunk1

JC was drafted in 2004 by Joe GIBBS. Joe GIBBS played Mark Brunell, even when he knew he was hurt. JC didn't even get reps during practice with the 2nd team. GIBBS yields and goes to JC, but after a PLAYOFF run, revamps the offense with Al Saunders. JC has inferior talent on offense but on the line and on the edges, so the FO drafts two receivers and a lineman but Zorn doesn't put em' on the field.

There's lots of blame to go around.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 4, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

POOR OL' SNIDELY OWL, your stooge Igor the Vinster will not, I repeat not be able to recreate the Redskins greatest offense to ever come together ... NOT THE one you watched ... with Riggins and the hogs ... no, dude the one that featured the Redskins one and only franchise QB, no running game to speak of except for CT at HB ... That one of course featured Christian Adolph Jurgenson at QB, Bobby Mitchell WR/RB, Charley Taylor WR/RB, and Jerry Smith TE.
You were too young and you still are ... and foolish ... you fired Bobby Mitchell 'nuff said.

Keep in mind Snidely we're talking FOURTEEN games now ... a guy who threw 31 TDs in 14 games.

Sonny Jurgensen
GM ATT CMP AVG YDS AV/C TD INT ATT YD QB RAT
14 508 288 56.7 3747 7.38 31 16 19 157 87.3

TD/INT ratio of 1.9375

Bobby Mitchell
GM ATT YDS AVG TD LNG
14 61 189 3.1 1 16
REC YDS AVG TD LNG
60 866 14.4 6 65t

Charley Tayor
GM REC YDS AVG TD LNG
12 70 990 14.1 9 86t

Jerry Smith
GM REC YDS AVG TD LNG
14 67 849 12.7 12 43

The running attack ... (not much there)
however, unlike Portis they could catch and
break long passing plays for TDs.

A.D. Whitfield
GM ATT YDS AVG TD LNG
13 91 384 4.2 1 44
REC YDS AVG TD LNG
36 494 13.7 2 53

Jerry Allen
GM ATT YDS AVG TD LNG
11 77 262 3.4 3 23
REC YDS AVG TD LNG
11 101 9.2 1 21

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

T.O.'s replacement?

With Terrell Owens gone, Kiper thinks Roy Williams will have to step up and be the No. 1 receiver in Dallas. "When he was at [the University of] Texas, he had great talent -- he flashed it time and time again." But Kiper believes Williams needs to be more assertive. "Don't be necessarily T.O. or Randy Moss. But you've got to go out there and have a little bit of an attitude -- a little chip on your shoulder," Kiper says.

So who will play opposite Williams? Kiper says the Cowboys could find a quick slot receiver in the second round, like Brian Robiskie from Ohio State or Juaquin Iglesias from Oklahoma. Or they could roll the dice and go for Pat White from West Virginia, a quarterback whom many teams view as a wide receiver. Kiper says White could be the next Antwaan Randle El. But those are the Cowboys' options only if Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) and Kenny Britt (Rutgers) are off the board by the time the Cowboys make their first pick of the draft in Round 2.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Periculum....you have waaaaaay too much free time.

Posted by: goosedude | April 4, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Periculum....you have waaaaaay too much free time.

Posted by: goosedude | April 4, 2009"

Nah, just like to channel the Priest ... :)

Based on my amateur's knowledge of psychology I am willing to bet ol' Snidely reads this blog ...

Nothing more fun than needling the guy ... he started off okay but rapidly deteriorated into
a nightmare of an owner ...

He keeps trying for Sonny but usually ends up with Norm Snead or Eddie LeBaron ...

He is best served when he keeps his fingers out of the football operation and spends HIS TIME schlocking T-shirts.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Cutler deal shakes up first round
USC QB Mark Sanchez becomes hot
prospect in wake of big trade

By Todd McShay
Scouts Inc.


USC QB Mark Sanchez stands to benefit most from the Jay Cutler-to-Chicago deal. The Broncos just traded away their franchise quarterback and Sanchez has the quick release, accuracy and gym-rat mentality that Josh McDaniels looks for in his signal caller. If Denver is targeting the former Trojan as Cutler's eventual replacement, it is in no position to sit back and hope Sanchez falls to pick No. 12. The team would need to take advantage of its newfound ammunition and move up to secure Cutler's long-term successor.

I believe Kyle Orton should be nothing more than a bridge-the-gap solution. But McDaniels may completely disagree. Remember, he's been a part of the development process of Tom Brady and Matt Cassel. Right or wrong, McDaniels has to believe he can turn Orton into a similar marvel. So it shouldn't be a surprise if Denver opts to use its two first round picks (12 and 18) on its defensive front-seven and possibly even a stud running back.

Regardless of McDaniels' actual intentions, teams in the market for Sanchez -- or any of the top-three quarterbacks for that matter -- must now consider the Broncos a legitimate competitor.

The threat of Seattle pulling the trigger on Sanchez is fascinating. Of course, St. Louis (pick No. 2) and Kansas City (No. 3) will look to exploit the situation by putting their all-of-a-sudden attractive top-five draft picks up for public auction. The same goes for Cleveland (No. 5), Cincinnati (No. 6) and Oakland (No. 7) should Sanchez last through the first four picks, but Jacksonville at pick No. 8 becomes the next threat.

With that in mind; here's one opinion on how the first round could unfold:

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16): Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14): Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12): Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12): Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1): Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11): Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri

8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11): Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

9. Green Bay Packers (6-10): B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9): Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

11. Buffalo Bills (7-9): Everette Brown, DE, Florida State

12. Denver Broncos (8-8): Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

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13. Washington Redskins (8-8): Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee
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14. New Orleans Saints (8-8): Chris "Beanie" Wells, RB, Ohio State

15. Houston Texans (8-8): Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8): Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

17. New York Jets (9-7): Percy Harvin, WR, Florida

18. Denver Broncos (from 9-7 CHI) (8-8): Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (9-7): Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State

20. Detroit Lions (from 9-7 DAL) (0-16): Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC

21. Philadelphia Eagles (9-6-1): Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia

22. Minnesota Vikings (10-6): Darrius Herward-Bey, WR, Maryland

23. New England Patriots (11-5): Clay Matthews, OLB, USC

24. Atlanta Falcons (11-5): Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State

25. Miami Dolphins (11-5): Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois

26. Baltimore Ravens (11-5): Brian Cushing, OLB, USC

27. Indianapolis Colts (12-4): Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi

28. Philadelphia Eagles (from 12-4 CAR) (9-6-1): Eben Britton, OT, Arizona

29. New York Giants (12-4): Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois

30. Tennessee Titans (13-3): Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina

31. Arizona Cardinals (9-7): Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut

32. Pittsburgh Steelers (12-4): Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

On the Clock: Washington Redskins
April 3, 2009

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Teams needs: Defensive end, offensive tackle,
linebacker, guard

Dream scenario: The Redskins were ready to mortgage their 2009 and 2010 drafts in order to land Jay Cutler. But it wasn't enough. Now, they'll stay at No. 13 overall and try to find more help on defense. Tennessee defensive end Robert Ayers is a player the Redskins have fallen in love with since he had a breakout performance during Senior Bowl week. He has a little baggage (a 2005 arrest), but he's coming off an excellent 2008 season in which he made 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage and took over several games. The Redskins desperately need help at left end, and Ayers would be a Day 1 starter. Phillip Daniels and Renaldo Wynn are serviceable, but at this point in their careers you don't want to lean on them heavily. There's also a chance that Vinny Cerrato tries to trade out of that 13th pick and make a run at Ayers or even offensive tackle Michael Oher. The Redskins don't have much ammunition in the draft (five picks), so a trade could put them in a better situation. Actually, the dream scenario is Brian Orakpo slipping to 13, but that's a stretch. There's some thought that the Raiders might take him at No. 7. Also keep your eye on LSU defensive end Tyson Jackson

Plan B: The Redskins are high on USC linebacker Brian Cushing. They need to surround Albert Haynesworth with disruptive players, and Cushing has the build (255 pounds) and the athleticism to be an effective pass-rusher. And don't forget that the Redskins aren't exactly stacked at strongside linebacker.Scouts Inc. take: "After going with skill in the first three rounds of the draft last season, I expect the Redskins to stay on offense if and only IF one of the offensive tackles happens to be on the board. I think Ole Miss OT Michael Oher will be the pick if he is there. Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith is also a possibility. The Redskins also need to address their pass rush so if defensive end Everette Brown from Florida State or Penn State defensive end Aaron Maybin were available they would be considered. The bottom line is they need to address their line play on both sides of the ball, but I think they would go OT over DE. Regardless, the Redskins are in a very good spot and will find a very good player who will fit a huge need on their roster." -- Jeremy Green, Scouts. Inc.

Who has final say? Ultimately it's owner Dan Snyder, but executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato is running the room. If the Redskins trade out of the pick, Cerrato will be the reason why.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse


"'Snyder Whiffs on Cutler, Gutshots His QB, Recovers Nicely'

John Corcoran column on NFLDraftdog.com about Cutler/Campbell etc.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009'

Uhhh Cork, and they say I have too much time on my hands. Statistics don't lie. Jerry Jones IS NOT happy that the deal fell through. Campbell is more talented and has a larger upside. Most every sports portal from ESPN to NFL.com seems convinced of that ... (with some rare exceptions).

Based on the trend in TD/INT ratio I expect that in his new digs Cutler may throw more than 20 interceptions ... perhaps even as many as 30 while perhaps making 20 TD throws. This is a guy who claims his arm is better than Elways (and by inference that he is better than Elway). This is not a franchise QB. He is a disaster waiting to happen.

Jason Campbell will become far more than Daniel Snyder ever expected and then some. Again one can see this trend in the statistics. One of the foremost experts on how-to-make-an-nfl QB Joe Gibbs hand picked the guy.

But I still think they should give local Byron Leftwich a chance ... you need more than one ready-to-lstart QB now-a-days.


Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

But I still think they should give local Byron Leftwich a chance ... you need more than one ready-to-lstart QB now-a-days.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 2:08 PM

The contract they wrote Todd Collins last year keeps them from cutting him. And the salary cap keeps them from signing Leftwich. And, more to the point, backup QB is way down there on the list of Redskin off-season priorities.

The Matt Mosely post was interesting. I wish you would post more often, periculum. ;-)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

It was worth it, cloadie. Anything to evoke the memory of Atouk and his prehistoric shenanigans is welcome.

have to catch up on my Caveman. Does "toof" mean "food", or "my god, look at the size of those things"?

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

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