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Campbell Says He's Ready to Move Forward

Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell said he plans to move forward and "to do everything I can do to help us get to where we want to be as a team" after the team failed to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos and trade Campbell.

The Broncos traded Cutler today to Chicago for a package that includes Kyle Orton, two first-round draft picks and the swap of third- and fifth-round picks. Campbell acknowledged that he was disappointed in having his name involved in the trade speculation, "but you can't let that get to you. You really just have to understand what it is. That's the business side of it and you have to go do your job still."

Campbell said he spoke with Coach Jim Zorn after completing his workout today at Redskins Park and said that Zorn was very supportive and encouraging, telling him that they are in this together and that Campbell is his quarterback.

"That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me."

By Jason Reid  |  April 2, 2009; 5:49 PM ET
 
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Comments

Zorn = good cop
Snyderato = bad cop

Posted by: daddy00 | April 2, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Broncos will draft Sanchez if he falls past the 49ers at 10. Broncos now have the 12 and the 18 and they can move up to get Sanchez if they are worried somebody else grabs him, and with Detroit in the mix for a QB, NO WAY Sanchez falls to Vinsnyder(thank goodness).

I think (hope) this restores the Redskins FO to normal mode in that they have to take an OT, DE or LB at 13 or move back. Whhheeeeeewwwww.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

who is this source?

Posted by: noluvdr | April 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell knows if he has a big year he can turn the tables on this situation. He'll either force the Redskins to pay him big, or go elsewhere and make them look bad.

Posted by: jkp7 | April 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

That Kid has mucho class. I hope he can pull it all together this year and take Snyder & crew for as much gwap as he can in the offseason.

Posted by: mocmedia@msn.com | April 2, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell = Man

Cutler = Whiny 3-year-old

Danny's mismanagement of cap space and draft picks finally paid off!

Posted by: mattoliveri | April 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

this story was completely cooked up here

Posted by: noluvdr | April 2, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I am so excited about next year now. This is probably the best thing that happened to the Washington Redskins in so long. Campbell has a chip on shoulder!!! Keep it stored in you brother, cuz the time u unleash that fire needs to be on the field.

Jason Campbell is about to become the highest paid QB in the NFL in 9 months, and our Franchise Dawg.

Posted by: piyusharora | April 2, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell said he spoke with Coach Jim Zorn after completing his workout today at Redskins Park and said that Zorn was very supportive and encouraging, telling him that they are in this together and that Campbell is his quarterback.

'That meant a lot to me,' Campbell said, 'to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me.'"


Is there anyone more gullible than this guy?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

There is a god. Sorry SkinsneedaGM, benchcampbell, you are stuck with JC for little while longer.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder can't get out of his own way. Just think, he'll NEVER sell the team and will be the last Redskins owner that any current fan over the age of 15 will ever know. FORTHELOVEOFGOD.

Posted by: popopo1 | April 2, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone more cynical than you?

Posted by: tripz | April 2, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much The Dan actually consults Zorn, or is he just out in the stratosphere by himself?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

quit making up stories that undermine our QB's confidence. i know it's your retaliation for actually having to do work in a market where people are crazy about their team.

report the news and stop trying to make the news happen.

Posted by: moo21 | April 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

what a relief, that was ruining my whole day. no way cutler was worth two first rounders to the skins. it's nice to hear zorn and campbell are on the same page. that's a HUGE difference from the cutler/mcdaniels debacle in denver.

with something to prove, and the support of his coach and teammates, i have faith jason can go out there and have a solid year. hail!

Posted by: jromero12 | April 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank god! They already gave up draft picks to get Campbell, right? Why give up more for a guy who had two times the TDs, BUT three times the INTs.
Go Campbell and go Skins

Posted by: mayonvolc | April 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

learned hand,

You dont recognize professionalism when you see it do you? It was obvious that Zorn wasnt behind this madness, and JC appreciates him, whats wrong with that?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Dodged a bullet that time. Cutler's numbers would never have been what they were last year in Denver if he'd had 38 sacks and no open receivers to throw to. Even with receivers and a friendly system, he had 18 interceptions -- that would not bode well in the NFC East. Help! Our team is being held hostage by the Evil FO!! Can we stage a coup?

Posted by: stepper1 | April 2, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

We the fans are behind you JC17...we all wish Danny Boy would stop the fantasy football madness...now let's draft some O lineman and give JC a freakin chance!!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | April 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

campbell now has a superstar season gets pro bowl bid and tells snyderatto to shove it and takes less money to go play for sumone else!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait to see how Wilbon reacts to Cutler going to his home team.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Lets see Zorn is po'd because if danny Boy had gotten Cutler his days were numbered because Danny Boy then would have gone after Shannahan. So if I was Campbell I would have hammy issues until training camp. Nice guys get screwed in pro sports. Cutler was a crybaby and a jerk and look what he got.

Deadskins 3-13 next year and Zorn is gone before the first regular season game when they Deadskins are 0-4 in the preseason. Vinny Cerrato is in the hospital because Danny Boy wants to be a rabbi and the bris on Vinny went horribly wrong. Cerrato returns after game 8 with the new nickname Stumpy.

Danny forces the Deadskins to go kosher and looks for more victims in the locker room.

Posted by: sheepherder | April 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

A big thanks to Jason Campbell for being cooperative with the two idiots Danny/Vinny and for being a real professional, unlike Jay Cutler.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

All that crying for nothing, most of that Skins crap was probably false to get the bears to give up more.

Posted by: Flounder21

I'm not sure. Denver originally wanted two #1s. They got two number ones, a QB and a third round pick. I think Snyder, as he did with Ocho Cinco, was ready to give up the two #1s (Cutler is better than Ocho) and Duh Bears topped his offer in the NFL's E-Bay auction.

I'd like to think Snyder was made aware of the overwhelmingly negative fan reaction to the trade, and that may have played a factor in his not going higher.

So too might Cutler's desire to go to a much better organization.

Campbell is now damaged goods.


Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Bears add Orlando Pace at LT.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flounder,
You're right I did forget to include all the good moves our front office has made since Danny took over. Good moves that have made us a consistent playoff team with a winning record that justifies our huge payroll every year. BTW, what were those moves again?

Posted by: mack1 | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Under difficult circumstances, Jason Campbell has certainly shown a lot of class. His behavior contrasts markedly with the petulant and immature behavior of Jay Cutler, not to mention that of the Redskins' "brain trust". I don't care how big an arm Cutler has (by the way, he has averaged about one interception a game throughout his two year career), there is no way the veterans on the Redskins would ever have accepted such an immature and self-absorbed whiner as the team leader. Whether this latest gambit by Snyder and Ceratto has irretrievably poisoned the locker room remains to be seen.

Posted by: nrjlh | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"We the fans are behind you JC17...we all wish Danny Boy would stop the fantasy football madness...now let's draft some O lineman and give JC a freakin chance!!"

Amen

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

the republic has been saved. JC is a class act. check out steinz article from this afternoon about him being the consummate DC guy.

Posted by: trumpyoc | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything else you can do for team morale, Snyder? Maybe turn off the hot water in the shower or something?

Posted by: noahwayy | April 2, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy this deal didnt fall through.I know Jason on a personal level,and dont get me wrong..He is pissed.Just remember deep down,JC has had to learn 3 different offensive schemes, I feel he has done everything a true leader can grasp. He will carry a chip on his shoulder..Attention Redskins.. Give Jason a chance,I know Jason is a nice guy,This nice guy will not finish last!

Posted by: sharptown1 | April 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

dont worry guys now snyderatto has the qb bug their is plenty of time before the draft to make another bonehead trade like 2 first rounders for brady quinn!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Once again Snyder is saved from himself. I'm hoping Jason makes this muthaf#ker Snyder pay dearly for this by getting abig ass new contract.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Snyder, Cerrato = cabbages. Beyond my comprehension how they aren't destitute alcoholic hobos. They're dead to me.

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | April 2, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll be honest and say I was very critical of Jason C. last season, especially the last 8 games. But I've come to my senses. He had a O line would couldn't block for him, no recievers besides Cooley and Moss, a new coach, and a new offensive system which was very difficult to learn. Jason has had many games where he's shown how good he really can be.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Da Bears!

My 2nd favorite team!

I guess Cutler to Chad Johnson will be in Danny's dreams, and not in our real lives....phew!

So, I think we shoud draft.....

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Danny, Vinny:

Now thats what a professional looks like. Not the prima donna drama queen that you were about to deal for.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

this is the type of thing that can bring a team together!

I hope these guys show Danny watz up this year!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Cinco deal didn't work & Cutler deal didn't work. Somewhere is a guardian angel wearing burgundy & gold!!!!Lets all take a collective Xanax & get back to the draft.

Posted by: will_ga | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Thank God!!! Now go out and draft a RT or SLB (I'm with you 4th on Cushing).

Posted by: skinswest | April 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I honestly respect Jason Campbell more than ever for how he has handled this situation. He is a professional and has handled himself as such. I hope he goes out this year and puts together an amazing year and earns a great contract. Thank you Chicago for blocking Danny and Vinny for making us the laughing stock of the NFL. Please let them hold on to the first rounded and use it for a stud OT or DE.

Posted by: rbruce2 | April 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the STUPID OchoCinco offer made last year. Something about Snyder always having to be in the mix. Just think, we could have spent four #1's, and what would we have had to show for it. Whewww.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is the consummate pro. Here's to a great '09 season!

Posted by: John_Keats | April 2, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"We the fans are behind you JC17...we all wish Danny Boy would stop the fantasy football madness...now let's draft some O lineman and give JC a freakin chance!!"

Amen

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who

YES!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Looking at this, it's a wonder Snyder's still married. If he lusted after women the way he lusts after football players, he'd be with a new hottie every week and then wonder why he's got the herp!

...if you follow my shaky metaphor...

Posted by: crashinghero | April 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was doing his job, he would have immediately told Snidely that 2 #1's was too expensive, and that would have been the end of it. When will Snyder get a real football professional in the run the FO?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Campbell = pure class

The FO? Not so much

Posted by: DCity | April 2, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Have to admire Jason Campbell's class!

Posted by: Lipty | April 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

This was a (depressing!) day out of my life I will never get back :(

Tony Kornheiser is soooo out of touch....he said on PTL that Jason Campbell will now act like Cutler. If he knew anything at all about the QB in his backyard, he would never have made that stupid statement. Campbell is a class act through and through...always has been.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, that's sweet, Mr. Mediocre decides that he realizes he dodged a bullet and gets one more year as a starter so he's ready to move on and we're stuck with a crappy 16 point a game offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

When you look at what Da Bears gave up to get Cutler, that was right down Snyder's wheelhouse. Cooler heads (JZ?, Vinny?, Campbell?) must have prevailed. ROBERT AYERS at #13.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

BJ Raji failed combine whiz quiz.

Great. That is one more player that won't take up a draft pick in front of the Skins and one of the the big 4 tackles.

Still think we should trade back and get a twofer the 13. I think Cushing is a reach at 13, and there is better value later.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 2, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

When Campbell leads us to the super bowl someday we can all say, "no thanks to Danny"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

This is the season where Campbell proves Gibb's faith in him was well placed.

He'll will make Zorn look like a genius if Devin Thomas steps up.

They just need Andre Smith at 13 ...

Let's see how many playuhs Snidely can piss off ...

MWash, Shawn Springs, Campbell, Kendall ... the list continues to grow ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone more gullible than this guy? Posted by: learnedhand1
_____
I know really... No contract extention, trade rumors, (didn't see that coming out from the NYG, DAL or Philly).. Lets' put it this way... I wouldn't be doing a lot of work on my house if I was Campbell.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Bears add Pace too, that was my hope, trade for cutler, sign pace to play RT for a year and sign Toomer and go to the super bowl, now the Bears are one piece away.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

swowra

'....Can't wait to see how Wilbon reacts to Cutler going to his home team...'


Actually, he'll applaud it as it makes sense for the bears to add Cutler.

They have a strong running game, defense, Hester, a good young tight end.

Orton v Cutler was a no brainer.

Redskins roster managament v. common sense is a battle the team loses every off season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Awwww, that's sweet, Mr. Mediocre decides that he realizes he dodged a bullet and gets one more year as a starter so he's ready to move on and we're stuck with a crappy 16 point a game offense.

Posted by: zjfr2

Yeah and a crappy top 5 defense, wah wah wah

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Whew. I can't wiat to see what Campbell does with teh same offensive system for 2 years in a row. I may have thorwn up in my mouth if we had made this trade.

Posted by: rafaelaguirresacasa | April 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Whew. I can't wait to see what Campbell does with the same offensive system for 2 years in a row. I may have thrown up in my mouth if we had made this trade.

Posted by: rafaelaguirresacasa | April 2, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"When Campbell leads us to the super bowl someday we can all say, "no thanks to Danny"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009"

No superbowl until Snyder leaves ... I am really sorry dude.

I know; even Al Davis was able to manage to get to one recently but I just don't see it happening with Snidely and Vinnie ...

I would be a miracle ... now that Gibbs is gone.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse


JLC, quit making up stories that undermine our QB's confidence. i know it's your retaliation for actually having to do work in a market where people are crazy about their team.

report the news and stop trying to make the news happen.

Posted by: moo21 | April 2, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

-------------------------------------------

What a retarded statement. And, let me apologize to the mentally handicapped of our society if it seems like I am including you into their deomgraphic. You don't even belong THERE with a statement like that.

How is JLC "mak(ing) the news happen"??? You are just pissed off that Danny and Vinny have egg on their face and due to your childish, blind allegiance you dismiss your anger passive aggressively at those who are simply reporting WHAT HAPPENED. This was all over - ESPN, SI, Fox. It wasn't just JLC. You know why? BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!!! And Danny and Vinny embarrass our proud city and proud franchise once again in the process.

Posted by: jwlemons | April 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Bears add Pace too, that was my hope, trade for cutler, sign pace to play RT for a year and sign Toomer and go to the super bowl, now the Bears are one piece away.

Posted by: zjfr2

go root for the bears then, bye

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

dont worry guys now snyderatto has the qb bug their is plenty of time before the draft to make another bonehead trade like 2 first rounders for brady quinn!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:11 PM


Must you ruin this moment?

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Whew. I can't wait to see what JC will do with the same offensive system for the 2nd year in a row. I would have thrown up in my mouth if this trade had been made...

Posted by: rafaelaguirresacasa | April 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

"...Actually, [Wilbon will] applaud it as it makes sense for the bears to add Cutler."

Yep, I agree. Wilbon will talk about what a great move it is for the Bears, and it is. I've been listening to ESPN Chicago and they are going nuts over this move.

It's sad that the 'Skins make a big move and it's stupid (Haynesworth), anyone else does a blockbuster deal, and it's smart.

'Skins still the laughing stock of the NFL.

Posted by: swowra | April 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I would have to assume Denver fans are pretty happy but must me a little nervous if they can draft a franchise QB.

Bears fans are happy becuase they have the franchise QB that they have always wanted and, quite frankly, Cutler has a good personality for the Chicago fan base.

Redskins fans are happy we didn't get taken to the cleaners and can now focus on getting productivity from T.J. Duckett and Jason Taylor.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Careful zjfr2, you're starting to sound like Guru...

Posted by: tripz | April 2, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and a crappy top 5 defense, wah wah wah

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 2, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Yep, another season of wasting a top defense with crappy offense, that will be every year now since Spurrier left except the Archuletta season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

dan snyder sucks c0ck

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 2, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hats off to Jason Campbell. He's the hero of this situation. Let Jay Cutler keep whining at the Ultimate Fighting matches he loves so much. We've got the classier man right here.

The only news that would make today better would be hearing that Snyder had fired Vinny, replaced him with Ron Wolf, and personally adjourned to his computer to play fantasy football.

Posted by: drischord | April 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

(repost)

The maturation of Jason Campbell is the singular most important issue facing the Washington Redskins.

Jim Zorn must 'diss' Clinton Portis early on in the season and ride Campbell's arm and let him earn his extension. Portis is of more value in December/January than Sept/Oct anyways.

The team would do well to put Campbell in the best situation by adding young offensive lineman capable of starting from day one.

Jason Campbell should be given the mental space to plan for the upcoming season without the white noice of trade rumors clouding his preparation.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Honest Question:

Was there any actual evidence that the Skins were seriously trying to get this done?

I heard a lot of rumors, but never actually heard any evidence.

Aren't the Skins rumored to be "in the Mix" for EVERY high-profile free agent?

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

The Bears have no receivers, questionable o-line, and a defense on the decline. They will be lucky to finish third in their division. Cutler is going to get destroyed. You cant possible think they are one piece away...

Skins should trade down and take a serious look at Michael Johnson and hope Loadholt is around when its time to pick again.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Just watched PTI. Wilbon was hesitant about the deal. It was actually Kornheiser who was slobbering over Cutler, mentioning the Bears and Superbowl in the same sentence..

Posted by: John_Keats | April 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

So we draft a Offensive Tackle, we got Dockery back so our o-line is much improved. Hopefully Rinehart (sp) is ready to play if we need him as a backup.

I think we give Colt Brennan the opportunity to take the job away from JC. I doubt he will. If the offense doesn't produce again we fire Zorn, don't resign Campbell and we draft a QB or sign the best free agent available next off-season.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse


dont worry guys now snyderatto has the qb bug their is plenty of time before the draft to make another bonehead trade like 2 first rounders for brady quinn!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:11 PM


Must you ruin this moment?


Posted by: edvar |


sorry dude but after all this i just see vinnie and danny boy up there suckin there thumbs cryin how they didnt get to make the big splash so now they will be lookin for the bigger splash which is i dont know but it is gonna be boneheaded!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Cinco deal didn't work & Cutler deal didn't work. Somewhere is a guardian angel wearing burgundy & gold!!!!Lets all take a collective Xanax & get back to the draft.

Posted by: will_ga | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM

It's Sean Taylor!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Yep, another season of wasting a top defense with crappy offense, that will be every year now since Spurrier left except the Archuletta season.

Posted by: zjfr2

Weren't you off to root for the Bears? Don't let the door hit ya...

Posted by: tripz | April 2, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon did applaud the move on PTL tonight....when Kornheiser berated him because he's spent the last few days downing Cutler, Wilbon replied that Cutler is GREAT for the Bears because they did not have a QB. He said the Skins situation was totally different.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Poor Colt Brennan..... no one cares how this makes him feel.

Posted by: mac2j | April 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

So happy the Skins did not make the trade for Cutler. I also question who these sources are and hope that the Skins make a statement that Campbell is their guy.

Jason has class and hopefully this will not affect him. Time to move on and get ready for 2009

Posted by: martinem | April 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

So, to sum up today's events:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1246

and click on the cartoon figure in the upper right

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The bears signed Pace, Shaffer, and have Chris Williams their 1st rounder from last year they addressed their oline issues, they have one of the best young backs in the league who not only is a good rusher but led the team in receptions last year, they have a decent tight end and hester had a good season. They still need a decent receiver, Toomer would help but their D is still good. To say they'll finish 3rd in the division I'm assuming you mean behind the terrible Packers and the QB less Vikings? You're pretty far off.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

'...'Skins still the laughing stock of the NFL...'

Clowns get laughed at because of what they do and not because of who they are.

Daniel Snyder needs to look about himself an notice most teams keep to whatever plans they put together. They are serious and do things on the down low, away from the public eye.

Constantly juggling big names and big money while tossing draft picks to the gathered crowd is what makes folks laugh at the team's goofy behavior.

And constantly juggling is why people laugh at clowns.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is a rather find with a great attitude in this age of the 'me-firsters'. All he needs is the time most QBs normally enjoy to get better, anything beyond the 4man rush that seems to happen the moment the ball is snapped. Let's not even talk about the lack of WR support.

Posted by: HokieSkin | April 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

do you guys think snyderatto is really gonna let campbell be our qb this season after all this i highly doubt it.....
i hope its campbell but seriously doubt it

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see Vinny and Danny Boy spin this now.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | April 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Let me just repeat what I said ealier today. The more that JLC posted the more I knew this wasn't going down. The Skins don't talk with him and any information I have to questions. But of course no statement about being wrong.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Da Bears win the Snyderato Trophy! We officially come in 2nd in the offseason! Thank God!

Posted by: LarryBud | April 2, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Campbell is doing the right thing, but I would like to see him showing some fire, some passion, some rage about the situation. Dont burn your bridges, but show that you actually care and that you have what it needs to be a real hero...and thats some PASSION!

Posted by: laguicio | April 2, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

well another year of watching an offense sputter and no downfield threat...So defenses once again will stack Portis.....

oh well...they tried...we are stuck now...at least for this year.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The Vikings are still good.

The bears are better.

The packers are comining on.

The lions are so bad the christians refuse to be eaten by them.

When will the NFC 'Norris' Division rise up and touch the sky?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Tampering charges, a trade they desperately wanted to make but didn't have enough to offer, only five picks in the upcoming draft, a decade of mediocrity. God, I can not figure out how that moron Vinny Cerratto still has a job, much less one with so much responsibility. Daniel Snyder is unquestionably the most ignorant billionaire in the world.

Posted by: fufighter2121 | April 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

All of you bashing the FO because they tried to trade for a better QB are just plain crazy saying some of the things you say. How do the Skins loom stupid???? 10 teams wanted Cutler...how do they look dumb for trying??

Campbell SUCKS!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

My brother's sources (he works at Ritz Camera) report that the Skins are going to have Michael Vick as their QB for 2010.

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The terms of the deal have not been announced but a source said the Bears will send two first-round draft picks, a third-round selection and quarterback Kyle Orton to Denver as part of the trade.

Bears are out of their damn mind for giving all that up. When they don't make the playoff next year I hope all that called for Cutler be right here to still say he is better than JC

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Thank God. What the obscenity is wrong with Snyder?

Posted by: nitrojunkie_20723 | April 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

JM, JLC was not the only person reporting it....it was ALL OVER the place here. Frank Hanrahan of ESPN 980 parked himself at Redskins Park all day to blog....of course, he had nothing to blog about. Around 5:00 pm Frank said the Skins told him to go home.....and he then said that he felt the Skins trade was "imminent." Yeah right!

I have a crazy thought....what if Snyder never planned the trade at all but did not deny it since the trade rumors were taking precedence over the "tampering" rumors....he wanted the tampering reports to be pushed aside....which they pretty much were.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

JM, JLC was not the only person reporting it....it was ALL OVER the place here. Frank Hanrahan of ESPN 980 parked himself at Redskins Park all day to blog....of course, he had nothing to blog about. Around 5:00 pm Frank said the Skins told him to go home.....and he then said that he felt the Skins trade was "imminent." Yeah right!

I have a crazy thought....what if Snyder never planned the trade at all but did not deny it since the trade rumors were taking precedence over the "tampering" rumors....he wanted the tampering reports to be pushed aside....which they pretty much were.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah that is a crazy thought

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If Jason wants "to do everything..." then he'll be putting on a visor, grabbing a clip board, and watching Colt run out on the field with the starting offense. Colt may not be better, but the fact is we DON'T know how good he can be. What we do know is that we can't win a division with Jason as starting QB. It's not common, given whatever excuses, for a QB to suddenly turn from looking mediocre to looking great. He's too hesitant, and the NFL game has been too fast for him. He's intelligent enough to NOT throw interceptions, but he's taking drive-killing sacks that negate the 3000+ yards he throws for. We lost the opportunity at a pro-bowl QB, but one can make up for that by being great on both lines. Use the draft picks wisely, but it's time to give Colt a shot.

Posted by: NovaMike | April 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins still need an elite quarterback. They don't have the front office or the coaching capability to manufacture a title without superior talent. Campbell is a marginal starter or backup quarterback at best.

Posted by: doolindalton | April 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

JC = Class Act

Snyder & Cerrato = Scumbags

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to trade Danny and Vinny for a couple of draft picks, or, say, a bag of chips.

Posted by: loyalrepublican | April 2, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

at this point i would be willing to sweeten that trade of danny and vinnie with our first round pick this year (13th overall) for that bag of chips!!!

it'd be worth atleast a first rounder to get rid of that gong show!!!

Posted by: deadskin | April 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh great king of Zamunda why is it "obvious" that Zorn wasn't down with what the team was doing? Certainly, you don't mean his endorsement post the team's failure close the deal.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

leevi are you mad? Campbell might suck, but Cutler is still a bear. Deal with it.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

im confused everyone gets mad at the FO for mortgaging away our future ie. draft picks for the now. then you guys wanted them to give away draft pix for a qb who may or may not be as good and definetly is not as good a man/personthen what we have now when those draft pix could fill holes that are here now?

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"All of you bashing the FO because they tried to trade for a better QB are just plain crazy saying some of the things you say. How do the Skins loom stupid???? 10 teams wanted Cutler...how do they look dumb for trying??

Campbell SUCKS!"

If you think Cutler is worth two 1st rounders and that he alone would take the skins to the playoffs...go join Snyder and Cerrato at their pity party. Oh, and go root for the Bears.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Thank GOD! This is the best news ever. And JC handled himself well...such class.

Now JC has the power! A great season means big money. You f***ed up Snyder.

Posted by: SKINS4EVER | April 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

JC = Mediocre Class Act lucky to still be a starter making us destined for another 8-8 or 9-7 season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

leevi98: Campbell's stats are almost the same exact as Cutler, Cutler was only sacked 11 times though. Campbell faced a lot more pressure than Cutler and put up identical numbers. And would you want that whiny baby?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

leevi are you mad? Campbell might suck, but Cutler is still a bear. Deal with it.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

No I'm not mad...just disappointed that I have to watch another year of defenses stacking up on our running game because nobody repects our passing game cause they know our QB can not go down field accurately with his slow release.


i mean hell nobody eeven wanted to trade for Campbell...why ya think that is? I mean the skins offered him for a 2nd round pick tryiong to get the package together.....NOBODY WANTED HIM!
Just sucks to waste another season wacthing this guy lead our offense and kick lots of field goals

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I hope JC lights it up and signs somewhere else next year to stick it to the Snyderratto 2 heade football fantasy dweeb Monster.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 2, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

leevi98: Campbell's stats are almost the same exact as Cutler, Cutler was only sacked 11 times though. Campbell faced a lot more pressure than Cutler and put up identical numbers. And would you want that whiny baby?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

What season are you talking about? 4500 yds and 25 tds is a little different than 3200 yards and 13 tds....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

leevi98: Campbell's stats are almost the same exact as Cutler, Cutler was only sacked 11 times though. Campbell faced a lot more pressure than Cutler and put up identical numbers. And would you want that whiny baby?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not rehashing this debate anymore...It's pointless now.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand,

If you have been following this crap all day you would have known that Zorn called JC this morning when everyone (including myself) was sure that Cutler was on his way into town.
Zorn seems a bit off at times, but he also seems genuine. I dont think he would call JC as a pr move. That would be a Cerrato move. Now I wasnt in Ashburn today so I dont know where Zorn really stands but I think that if your coach and other coaches from the team call you to give you support they probably didnt agree with what was going on but could not stop it.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone more gullible than this guy? Posted by: learnedhand1
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I know really... No contract extention, trade rumors, (didn't see that coming out from the NYG, DAL or Philly).. Lets' put it this way... I wouldn't be doing a lot of work on my house if I was Campbell.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 2, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

kids gotta look out for his future...either way...he needs to say what he just said, focus on his development and have a breakout year...that way he either becomes the franchise qb here with a phat contract or he raises his stock and walks...approach is the same...anything else just hurts his stock either way...and the best way to do that is to buy into it and believe it...

if only the line and wrs would just become average it would be a huge improvement and obviously give him a fighting chance...

peyton, tom etc etc would struggle with this line and this wr core...

get a clue haters!!!

Posted by: deadskin | April 2, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody mentioned that the Bears also picked up Orlando Pace?

Posted by: LarryBud | April 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Hoo Boy. what a great day in Chicago and an even greater day in Washington. The Redskins don't need a QB. They need some RECEIVERS (and an O-line, D-line, D-backs, linebacker or three, and GM and owner...but I digress).

Imagine Cutler throwing into double/triple/quadruple coverage to Santana Moss (I love ya Santana, but there are oompa loompas who are taller). Now imagine him throwing to anyone BUT Santana. For a guy who threw 25 interceptions WITH an offensive line and WITH receivers (and let's get real here, the other Redskin receivers couldn't catch a cold in a snowstorm), I think he'd be an NCF east corner's wet dream.

The Redskins already have a quarterback, and he's not bad. No, he's not perfect, but he's not Joe Theismann either, so that's a plus. Swapping QBs is just plain dumb when that's not where the problem is. May Denver would take two first round picks for an owner and GM.

Cutler's better off in Chicago, where Smith will develop him(ROFLMAO). Since Lovie has absolutely no history of throwing people to the wolves, Jay will feel the love he didn't get in Denver. Maybe with Devin Hester, Cutler will really bloom and take that next step. Then again, Rex had a strong arm, too...

Great day for the Redskins

Posted by: cbeatley1 | April 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Was there any actual evidence that the Skins were seriously trying to get this done?

I heard a lot of rumors, but never actually heard any evidence.

Aren't the Skins rumored to be "in the Mix" for EVERY high-profile free agent?

Posted by: VTDuffman | April 2, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse
Well, VT, you have to admit that they acted like they were seriously in the mix. If they had quickly denied it, the rumors would have stopped. Instead, they issued "no comment" statements for over a day.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

OOOOOOOHHHHH YEEEEEEESSS
this whole trade thing was killing me
i don't think zorn lied...i think zorn is tied to campbell and vice versa...they both go next yr if the team is not in the playoffs
this was all danny boy trying to build his fantasy team
oh man this is the best news
maybe cutler wouldve been great who knows...too much press tho
now campbell has every reason to kill it next yr...contract up and chip against snyder
i like the idea of zorn and campbell trying to prove next yr to earn respect...that usually leads to good things
we will see

Posted by: jj44skins | April 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"...just disappointed that I have to watch..."

Simple solution: don't watch. Unless you enjoy complaining...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

JC = Mediocre Class Act lucky to still be a starter making us destined for another 8-8 or 9-7 season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler = whining head case sissy who has not been to the playoffs, does not have a winning record as a starter and isn't worth 2 number 1s and another starting QB

The Skins were prevented from making the wrong move.

Two negatives makes a positive.

That's my math

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Well ain't that the dog's bollocks? I was hoping we would have to move Soups one way or the other. He will be average at best, and he isn't suited for this offense. He also refuses to take chances and I hate that. We aren't going to the Superbowl with a QB who throws 13 TD's in over 550 passing attempts. Not unless portis, betts, and cartwright each run for 1500+ yards this season.

At the very least, I hope Colt beats him out in the preseason. Campbell has a big arm, but he acts like he doesn't think he can make any challenging throws. I don't remember a single "wow" throw that campbell made last year, but I remember a ton from Cutler, and I don't even watch the broncos. At least with Colt we'll get some excitement.

The Danny has let us down. The chance at a possible franchise QB, and we didn't do it. Now we are stuck with Soups, who promises to complete 69% of his passes, 90% of which will either go to wide open receivers 5 yards out or RB/HB/FB coming from the back field. UGH. Even when we are 6-2, it was painful to watch Soups. This year will hurt that much more, looking at all the passes that Cutler could have made but Soups will surely pass up on.

I hope I'm wrong, but so far I have 3 years of evidence to back me up. If it wasn't for Collins, we wouldn't have even made the playoffs after 21 passed on.

Posted by: scotchirishprince | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Update on Wilbon and La Canfora trade:

In an unprecedented move, the Washington Post has traded its two Whiney semi-journalists to the City of Chicago in return for ......Nothing. That's right folks. The Washington Post is parting with its home-team-hating, back-stabbing, and falsely reporting moron beat writers. The compensation package for Washington Post includes only one high level sigh of relief and a low level gas package

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

2010 LOOKS LIKE THIS:

CAMPBELL has pro bowl season.....

CAMPBELL takes less money then SNYDERATTO offers to play sumwhere besides WASHINGTON

REDSKINS lose first round pic for tampering.....

TODD COLLINS moves on else wear...

COLT goes down for a year at practice at the end of '09 leavin our beloved REDSKINS with no QB's

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok we all agree JC17 is a nice guy, class act, all that stuff. But the facts are we are stuck with him for another mediocre season. He tries and works very very hard. he is back-up and no more than that. The deal the skins tried to make couldn't be made becuase nobody wanted Campbell period.

I am no cutler fan, but 4500 yards, over 30 Td's with our defense and running game spells nfc Championship game. Yes I know Cutler also averages an interception a game. Add Campells fumbles to his interceptions and see how many turnovers you get, and fumbles are worse than interceptions because you don't even get the yardage. the problem is just isn't very smart. Everyoen wants to give him a pass because of all the different systems. OK I get that, but you have to make yoru reads no matter what system you ae in, and he just can't do it fast enough. Every year he has been here he has stared down his primary receiver. Of course you can't go downfield, both Safeties and a CB are on him after you stare him down, then you take a sack and fumble every 4 or 5 sacks. He is also not accurate. Watch him play and see how many times even on short passes he exposes his receivers. Colt Brennan is a joke too. You cannot discount that with a reasonable veteran QB at the helm at the end of the previous season, the offense instantly became watchable. INSTANTLY. Seems we have no choice but to pray for him again this season, but then lets move on please while the defense and London Fletcher are still effective.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody mentioned that the Bears also picked up Orlando Pace?

Posted by: LarryBud | April 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

...is that supposed ot be a quality pick-up?

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

While im certainly no fan of Vinnie Cerrato, i want him gone, i hate that people say he has done a terrible job. Look at the comparison between Cutler and Campbell. We had the same record as the Broncos, in the 1st year of our offense with a quarterback who is supposedly much worse than Cutler. IfJC is worse than Cutler, and we stil finished with the same record even though they get 6 free games in that division, then we must give some credit to the guys that put the team together. While they never have enough of anything, picks, cap room, 2nd round pass catchers, they always find a way to make this team at least average, with a shot to make a playoff run. We have to be one of the only teams in the NFL who are considered playoff contenders almost every year, even though we aren't good enough to take it all the way. One year, our mediocre team is going to time it just right, and we will hoist the trophy. Not saying its the right way to do it, but at least we havent seen 4-12 or 2-14 in a long time, and probably wont see it for a long time

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

look....build it and they will come
that is build the o line and a qb will come
case closed

Posted by: jj44skins | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell...Not even for a 2nd round pick....they tried to shop him to get picks for the package to offer up....and Nobody wanted Campbell...


If he is soo good with such an upside...I'd think a 2nd rounder is a steal...but yet no teams wanted Campbell...

Whats that mean????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

After what I have seen in the last 24 hours with this team I really hope that Jim gets an opportunity to be a head coach in an organization where he will receive the support he deserves. Regardless if they had gotten Cutler or not I firmly believe that Snyder will be looking for a new HC next season especially since there are so many big names out there for him to salivate over. The Shanahan rumors were already going around before all this Cutler talk started 3 weeks back. With all the money that has been spent the pressure will be on to win big next fall. The only way I don't see Jim being replaced is if the team has a great season-and I mean a great season.And frankly I'm not even sure if that will do with Snyder. Snyder cannot help himself. Having all these big name coaches available will be just too much for him to handle.

Posted by: afriendofzorn | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Skins should trade down and take a serious look at Michael Johnson and hope Loadholt is around when its time to pick again.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Gawd, it's good to get back to the draft!

No to Loadholt. The guy is huge, but not very nimble on his feet. He is a 1-2 year project before he is ready to play. I say ASmith or maybe MOher at #13. There will be good SLB and De's available for our 3rd round. Michael Johnson would be a reach at #13.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is a true professional. You have shown true class Jason, and I don't think the FO deserves a man who plays so fair. Look what they almost did to you! Show them. Play out of your mind this season and make your case. Show 'em they were wrong to doubt you! True fans are behind you all the way!

Posted by: jaydee5799 | April 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I am no cutler fan, but 4500 yards, over 30 Td's with our defense and running game spells nfc Championship game. .

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse


Right; because that is how it works. You just take someone else's stats from a different team/different offense/different division and plug them into our team and VOILA!

You must come from the Dan Snyder School of Footballing Philosophy...

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

"...just disappointed that I have to watch..."

Simple solution: don't watch. Unless you enjoy complaining...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Simple solution: don't like my comment..don't read it....Unless you enjoy making pointless posts

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell

If he is soo good with such an upsid
Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is all class and a pretty good qb too. Hopefully, Snyder will give him a new OT and a new contract to make up for this mess.

Posted by: redrob1 | April 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell played for either the Titans, Panthers,
Giants or any team that runs well but utilizes play action and shotgun with more deep throws, he would be a pro bowl QB. Campbell is at his best when coming out of a play fake, stepping up and finding a target. Thats his rythm, and we need to do more of that

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for the bears this year, and the bengals last year. Save the Redskins from themselves...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins already have a quarterback, and he's not bad. No, he's not perfect, but he's not Joe Theismann either, so that's a plus. cbeatley1

Umm if I remember correctly Joe Theismann Qb'ed us to two Super Bowls and even after spending the first five years of his carreer in the CFL and the next two returning punts and fighting Sonny and Billy Kilmer for playing time, still finished his carreer in the top 20 all time in just about every passing catagory. If Campbell was half the QB Joe was we would have already been in a SB.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 is funny. I live in Chicago. There's a reason Forte led the team in receiving.

Posted by: cbeatley1 | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Washington, we have a problem

April 2, 2009 6:21 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

It's official. Jay Cutler will be a Chicago Bear. The Washington Redskins took a mighty swing at Cutler -- and missed. Now they will deal with the fallout of letting their franchise quarterback Jason Campbell know that he's expendable. Of course, Campbell was already heading into the final year of his contract. But what happened Thursday is a completely different story.

Maybe we'll know soon how close the Redskins came to landing Cutler, but right now, it doesn't matter. They're in the same boat the Broncos were in late February with Cutler.

I don't think Redskins fans will give Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato much of a break over missing out on this deal. If you were wondering what the worst-case scenario was for the Redskins today, you're now staring at it.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

p1funk: agreed. Haven't we learned that over the years? You can't just take a player from a different team with great stats and put him with the Redskins and think he will still be the same and still have the same great stats. That just doesn't happen, in any sports. B-Lloyd is a great example!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell played for either the Titans, Panthers,
Giants or any team that runs well but utilizes play action and shotgun with more deep throws, he would be a pro bowl QB. Campbell is at his best when coming out of a play fake, stepping up and finding a target. Thats his rythm, and we need to do more of that

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what team you watched last year but we did have a good running game and he still could not open it up down filed off play action...He took alot of sacks off play action.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Campbell: Coach Zorn is behind me

April 2, 2009 6:24 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley
Campbell

Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell is one of the classiest players I've dealt with in the league, and that's why it's not surprising to see him taking the high road on the team's failed attempt to trade for Jay Cutler. He has every right to question his role on the team right now, but you won't hear any pouting out of him. It's too bad the Redskins were desperately attempting to trade Campbell for a quarterback who eventually whined his way out of Denver.

Campbell spent some time in head coach Jim Zorn's office this afternoon. It sounds like Zorn offered some reassuring words.

"That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me."

Campbell ackowledged his disappointment that the Redskins were attempting to trade him but added, "you can't let that get to you. You really just have to understand what it is. That's the business side of it and you have to go do your job still."

I think the Redskins ended up with right quarterback. It's too bad they don't feel the same way. Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato will spend the rest of the offseason wiping the egg off their faces.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell...Not even for a 2nd round pick....they tried to shop him to get picks for the package to offer up....and Nobody wanted Campbell...


If he is soo good with such an upside...I'd think a 2nd rounder is a steal...but yet no teams wanted Campbell...

Whats that mean????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

It means you've misunderstood the info you moron.

The issue was whether the broncos were interested in the Skins package - with one variation being the Skins trying to include a second-rounder that they would need to trade Campbell for in order to get.

It does not mean that they couldn't find a taker for Campbell.

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

in any sport*

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Whats really funny...nobody wanted Campbell...Not even for a 2nd round pick....they tried to shop him to get picks for the package to offer up....and Nobody wanted Campbell...


If he is soo good with such an upside...I'd think a 2nd rounder is a steal...but yet no teams wanted Campbell...

Whats that mean????

Posted by: leevi98 |

And you know this how...because the two Jasons said so? (that's the only place that I heard that being reported)

Posted by: PGM17 | April 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"All of you bashing the FO because they tried to trade for a better QB are just plain crazy saying some of the things you say. How do the Skins loom stupid???? 10 teams wanted Cutler...how do they look dumb for trying??

Campbell SUCKS!"


If you think Cutler is worth two 1st rounders and that he alone would take the skins to the playoffs...go join Snyder and Cerrato at their pity party. Oh, and go root for the Bears.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who |

Nobody said he alone would do anything. What we are saying is no matter who we are likely to have in the next few years, Campbell is holding us back. He is not good enough to start in this league unless he is playing for that once in a generation team like the Ravens SB year where you win 5 games in a row without scoring a TD.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

No I'm not mad...just disappointed that I have to watch another year of defenses stacking up on our running game because nobody repects our passing game cause they know our QB can not go down field accurately with his slow release.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:55 PM

Actually, the defenses were doing the majority of their damage with just their front 4.

They were keeping a safety BACK to protect against the long ball. They new Portis wasn't going to break anything long, but that the deep ball from Campbell to Moss was instant death. THAT'S what they feared.

That's why we need to rebuild the O line for dominance and let our QB continue to develop.

I thought we already went over this.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins already have a quarterback, and he's not bad. No, he's not perfect, but he's not Joe Theismann either, so that's a plus. cbeatley1

Umm if I remember correctly Joe Theismann Qb'ed us to two Super Bowls and even after spending the first five years of his carreer in the CFL and the next two returning punts and fighting Sonny and Billy Kilmer for playing time, still finished his carreer in the top 20 all time in just about every passing catagory. If Campbell was half the QB Joe was we would have already been in a SB.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: spyder7 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

maybe sumone would give a second rounder but snyderatto finally made a good decision and decided 2 first and a third /sedond was to much

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Redskins fans will give Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato much of a break over missing out on this deal. If you were wondering what the worst-case scenario was for the Redskins today, you're now staring at it.

Posted by: periculum

The Skins fans are all OVER Matt Mosley on the Espn blog for the ridiculous statement above. Such a stupid statement! The worst case scenario would be if the (reported) trade had gone through.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what team you watched last year but we did have a good running game and he still could not open it up down filed off play action...He took alot of sacks off play action.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009"

What team were you watching last year? They had to have the running game because they only had 2 receivers. James Thrash is still listed at #3. Ex scrambling QB ARE was easily shutdown. Santana Moss is a #2 non-possession type receiver.

How often did Portis come out of the backfield and make a big play on a pass, a screen? NEVER! NEVER!

Brian Westbrook? Brandon Jacobs?

You aren't comparing apples and oranges ...

The only reason the Redskins didn't draft Eddie Royal was because HE WAS SHORT ... direct quote from VINNIE!!! That was your hero Cutler's favorite target.

Where was Devin Thomas? Malcom Jackson? Fred Davis?

This is TEAM SPORT last I looked.

Given the complete collapse of the OL, Portis collapse in the 2nd half Campbell did GREAT and had a better year than your big hero ...

You'll see now that Cutler is in the NFC, no longer in that weak division ... you will see ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

spyder:

Great post, funny how the big day for the Bear/Broncos is somehow headlined by the Skins....

Just proves that the world does, indeed, revolve around the Redskins.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 2, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I would like to be there for the home opener to here Jason C's response from the crowd as he's introduced.I hope those that are in presence give him the love he's earned.

Posted by: mark65 | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

To sum up today's events:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1246

click on the figure in the upper right

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM |

Wrong again. Theisman hadn't even become a starter yet.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

theres a reason cutler wasnt wanted by mcdaniels because he new cutler wouldnt make it out this season healthy physically or mentally after havin to play the NFC BEASTS THIS YEAR !!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Cinco deal didn't work & Cutler deal didn't work. Somewhere is a guardian angel wearing burgundy & gold!!!!Lets all take a collective Xanax & get back to the draft.

Posted by: will_ga | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse


Dont forget the nonsense of a #1 for Lance Briggs the year before last!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 2, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

No I'm not mad...just disappointed that I have to watch another year of defenses stacking up on our running game because nobody repects our passing game cause they know our QB can not go down field accurately with his slow release.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 6:55 PM

Actually, the defenses were doing the majority of their damage with just their front 4.

They were keeping a safety BACK to protect against the long ball. They new Portis wasn't going to break anything long, but that the deep ball from Campbell to Moss was instant death. THAT'S what they feared.

That's why we need to rebuild the O line for dominance and let our QB continue to develop.

I thought we already went over this.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If "We" went over this why are you commenting again...2nd i don't think I was speaking to you.

3rd if that's what they did ALL the time...then we have bigger probelms for not adjusting. I see some of your points but we will disagree about the passing game...I don't feel or think defenses were afraid of the Skins passing game at all.

Notice i said i don't feel or think that's what they are thinking...cause honestly i don't know for sure...but according you...YOU KNOW what the opponets were "thinking"...

so how was it like on the sidelines and in the huddle and in the game plan meetings for the other team? I mean you even know what there game plan was...i'm impressed! :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank GOD. However, let's see how ownership and their lame FO spins the damage already done to JC. He is now where Cutler was a few weeks ago. Way to go Snydley and your cousin Vinny!@#$%

Posted by: sportphoto | April 2, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I said JC was gullible because I think he actually believes Zorn. JC17 didn't have to say anything and he certainly didn't have to say he had the coaches endorsement. He could have limited his comment to: I'm the team's QB; I'm working on getting better; and I look forward to leading the team and winning games. It would not have been unprofessional to express disappointment but say I look forward to proving my doubters wrong.

When you are getting pissed on, you don't have to offer the explanation that you are wet because it was raining in order to maintain an air of professionalism.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn never wanted Cutler because he knew unless he won a Superbowl next season Snyder would have signed Shanahan to reunite him with Cutler because they had so much success together in Denver.

Plus Cutler is a prick.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM |

Wrong again. Theisman hadn't even become a starter yet.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

WHAT?????? That answer makes no sense to what I said LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

maybe sumone would give a second rounder but snyderatto finally made a good decision and decided 2 first and a third /sedond was to much

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:14 PM |

I agree. The Skins picks, if they wanted to fork them over, were just as good as the Bears, plus Campbell is a better QB than Orton if he went with. There must have been an internal braking mechanism of some sort that stopped them before they got to the cliff's edge and took the plunge.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is going to take the egg of Snidely and Vinnie's face and throw it all over yours leevi98 and the rest of the uneducamated types on here ...

You will be afraid to ever come back here when he does ... ~evil laugh~

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

edvar, if you don't agree with everything I post then stop reading my posts and ignore them....cause Honestly ...i really don't care or agree with yours either so ...let it go

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"Simple solution: don't like my comment..don't read it....Unless you enjoy making pointless posts"

No more pointless than yours pal. Go root for the Bears.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"click on the figure in the upper right

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009"

Priest likes it ... gives it a thumbs up!

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.

To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 (18th overall) and 2010, along with a third-round pick (84th overall) in 2009.

No way this guys was work all that. Any of you saying we should have given all that up to get him is way worse than Dan and Vinny

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

If you read between the lines, it's clear that JC feels he was betrayed by the FO since he emphasizes how the COACHES are behind him and how the COACHES are the ones he interacts with.

Hopefully, we can look back at this after a sweet championship win as a "can you imagine what would have happened if blah had gone down?"

The thing is if JC puts up good numbers and leads the team deep into the playoffs, you know that Snyder will be bending over backwards to pay him. And that will be sweet; an example of a nice guy finishing first.

HAIL!

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"Wrong again. Theisman hadn't even become a starter yet.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

WHAT?????? That answer makes no sense to what I said LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009"

The point was, if you weren't paying attention, he hadn't become a starter in the NFL at this point in JC17's career. JC has. That trumps Theismann.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Suddenly, Redskins Have A Problem
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 7:12 p.m.

In the wake of the trade that sent former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler to the Bears, expect the Redskins to take the position that they were never players in the Jay Cutler sweepstakes, and that they had zero interest in acquiring him.

And don’t expect many people to believe it.

When receiver Terrell Owens was poised to hit the market last month and speculation centered on the Redskins, the team was swift and unequivocal — they didn’t want him.

When the Broncos declared that Cutler was available on Tuesday night, the Redskins said nothing, even as rumors and reports of the team’s interest mounted.

Based on everything we heard Wednesday, we’re convinced that the Redskins were up to something more than a Call of Duty tournament. And, apparently, the Bears ultimately offered more than the Redskins.

It wasn’t quite as bad at the 73-0 whooping that the Bears applied to the Redskins in the 1940 NFL title game, but in the contest that currently matters — the pursuit of a franchise quarterback by two franchises that haven’t had one in a long, long time — the only score that matters is Bears 1, Redskins 0.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I said JC was gullible because I think he actually believes Zorn. JC17 didn't have to say anything and he certainly didn't have to say he had the coaches endorsement. He could have limited his comment to: I'm the team's QB; I'm working on getting better; and I look forward to leading the team and winning games. It would not have been unprofessional to express disappointment but say I look forward to proving my doubters wrong.

When you are getting pissed on, you don't have to offer the explanation that you are wet because it was raining in order to maintain an air of professionalism.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse


Why shouldn't he believe Zorn? Do you think Zorn was behind this?

JC17 is Zorn's project, and their legacy/development is tied together with one year under their belt. Why would Zorn feel like Cutler is "his" guy moreso than JC17?

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

comeon bloggers we need UNITY amongst our blog LOL .....
so hear are 4 words to UNIFY the blog


F*CK THE FRONT OFFICE!!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

"No I'm not mad...just disappointed that I have to watch another year of defenses stacking up on our running game because nobody repects our passing game cause they know our QB can not go down field accurately with his slow release."

Campbell has a little bit of a windup. Its being corrected.

For the amount of money he is making you should ask Clinton "the man" Portis to go out, catch some passes, and make some yardage after the catch. That would certainly help keep defenses from "stacking up" our running game.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is going to take the egg of Snidely and Vinnie's face and throw it all over yours leevi98 and the rest of the uneducamated types on here ...

You will be afraid to ever come back here when he does ... ~evil laugh~

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

First off....i sure hope Campbell does prove me and anyone else who feels is is not the elite NFL QB that some stat he is on here. that would be wonderful!

2nd...why do I need egg thrown in my face because I have an opinion?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Notice the spin in this post????

The deal didn't go through so the JLac and his gang make sure they post that they really tried to trade Campbell, according to his "sources". If I'm Snyder, I rip the post a new one!

I did not want to see Campbell go, but let's not cry for the man. He's a grown man! Step up and play!

It's amazing that some don't see LaCanfora's spin on this.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder is the Monte Hall of the NFL.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"Wrong again. Theisman hadn't even become a starter yet.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

WHAT?????? That answer makes no sense to what I said LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009"

The point was, if you weren't paying attention, he hadn't become a starter in the NFL at this point in JC17's career. JC has. That trumps Theismann.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Until Campbell wins a SB then you can start comparing.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"Based on everything we heard Wednesday, we’re convinced that the Redskins were up to something more than a Call of Duty tournament."

Florio reads RI and steals lines.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

leevi -you don't have to be in the huddle or on the sidelines to know what another team is doing. If you know what you are looking at, it's not that confusing. Here's a clue, when the safety is not in "the box" but staying deep in coverage, they are protecting against the deep ball

And what is this? "Notice i said i don't feel or think that's what they are thinking...cause honestly i don't know for sure" That's pretty obvious, but I see it doesn't prevent you from posting these pearls anyway. And stop being such a wuss. You always cop out with "that's just my opinion."

An opinion is "I think Red is prettier than Blue" Not "I don't feel or think defenses were afraid of the Skins passing game at all." That is based on observation, you know like a fact. Make a statement and stand on it instead of posting poorly considered "opinions" that you can't back up and then wuss out on.

Later

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Following this unneeded debacle, I have never been so dissappointed with the Redskins franchise; in particular, Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. If Snyder really wanted to make an impact, he would fire Cerrato and bring in someone who understands how to build a franchise rather than simply selling seats and luxury boxes. Snyder continues to revert back to his old methods and has helped establish the Redskins as a mediocre franchise shooting for an 8-8 record with playoff hopes the following year; rather than rebuilding the team for the long haul and adding depth to critical positions (i.e. Defensive/Offensive Lines). Over the past 10 years, I would have to say his biggest mistakes were firing Marty Schottenheimer (who went 8-8 with Tony Banks and Jeff George as his QB's) and bringing back his boy Vinny. Once again RIDICULOUS!

Posted by: FireCerrato | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Florio is a tool.

..."but in the contest that currently matters — the pursuit of a franchise quarterback by two franchises that haven’t had one in a long, long time — the only score that matters is Bears 1, Redskins 0."

So Jay Cutler is suddenly dubbed a "franchise" QB? With no postseason appearances or a winning record?

If one statistically nice season and a trip to the ProBowl dubs someone a "franchise" QB, then I guess we had one with Gus Frerotte.

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

F*ck PORTIS catchin passes i would settle for him makin a safety or corner miss when he in the open field with on man to beat!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

I'm flattered that you feel the need to seek my posts out..repost them and always want to draw attention my way....

Thank you!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

CUTLER = SHANAHAN

ZORN NEVER WANTED CUTLER

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 2, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION WITH *ONE* MAN TO BEAT!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"It's amazing that some don't see LaCanfora's spin on this.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2009"

Looks like they sat down hard on the Redskins official blogger Matt Terl. Short quick blurb telling everyone its all over, so stop.

Snidely may be taking his disappointment out on poor defenseless bloggers .. after all he is pretty whiny like Cutler.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Notice the spin in this post????

The deal didn't go through so the JLac and his gang make sure they post that they really tried to trade Campbell, according to his "sources". If I'm Snyder, I rip the post a new one!

I did not want to see Campbell go, but let's not cry for the man. He's a grown man! Step up and play!

It's amazing that some don't see LaCanfora's spin on this.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Nicely stupid post, if Snyder wants to rip everyone that reported this then he would need to go after ESPN, ProFootballTalk, FoxSports.com, Adam Schefter, John Clayton, Moseley, and a host of other reporters in DC, Denver, and the other major networks. All of you come off trying to pretend this was made up by Jla cause that's just stupid.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I ask all the Campbell supporters one moer time..... Incidentally I have asked this at least 10 times over hr last few months and not a single person has answered. We are stuck with campbell whether some of us like it or not, what does he need to do, in your opinion, if you were in charge, to get a contract extension and continue as the starting QB. I proposed what I feel are some fairly reasonable goals, that JC17 has not met any of any year, but I am itersted as to what his supporters feel is a good season worthy of the starting job on the Redskins. Also what does he need to do to finally convince you all that he is not the guy for the job, whether you blame him, the front office, the coaches, whatever. What will it take for you to want him gone. here are my numbers

-230 yds per game average
-1.5 Td per game average
-24 points per game average any way he can get'em
-less than an interception per game average
-less than 3 fumbles during the season
-11 wins with our very very easy schedule

he gets the contract !!! HOORAY

No contract
- His normal less than 200 yds per game
- His normal less than 1 TD per game
- His normal less than 18 points per game
- His normal more than 5 fumbles
- His normal 8-9 wins
- More than 18 interceptions, we will give him his due on this as he did have 8 games without an interception last year. Much of it was due to a watered down offense and dropsies by DB's but he did do it.

I am really interested in what his fans have to say so we can revisit it at the end of next years run where we just barely miss the playoffs with excuses again.

Everybody has holes, and everybody has injuries, your QB has to carry you through those times. Campell is lucky to remember his helmet. he is a great guy and hard worker, but this is a sport and winning is everything. He is not a winner. Yo uwant to see winners, look up Joe Theismann and Doug Williams.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

leevi -you don't have to be in the huddle or on the sidelines to know what another team is doing. If you know what you are looking at, it's not that confusing. Here's a clue, when the safety is not in "the box" but staying deep in coverage, they are protecting against the deep ball

And what is this? "Notice i said i don't feel or think that's what they are thinking...cause honestly i don't know for sure" That's pretty obvious, but I see it doesn't prevent you from posting these pearls anyway. And stop being such a wuss. You always cop out with "that's just my opinion."

An opinion is "I think Red is prettier than Blue" Not "I don't feel or think defenses were afraid of the Skins passing game at all." That is based on observation, you know like a fact. Make a statement and stand on it instead of posting poorly considered "opinions" that you can't back up and then wuss out on.

Later

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

you sound like a little kid LOL and just for your information...I don't comment on your football thoughts because it's obvious from what you just wrote...you definitely know NOTHING about defense LOL

also..before you can form an opinion...you must observe the situation.... Geez where do these guys come from!!!!!!!! LOL LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse


leevi98: Campbell's stats are almost the same exact as Cutler, Cutler was only sacked 11 times though. Campbell faced a lot more pressure than Cutler and put up identical numbers. And would you want that whiny baby?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

What season are you talking about? 4500 yds and 25 tds is a little different than 3200 yards and 13 tds....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 6:56 PM

Denver passed the ball a lot more than they ran the ball.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to make a wager on either of the following.

The Redskins will have a better record then the Bears.

Campbell will have a better year then Cutler.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Suddenly, Redskins Have A Problem
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 7:12 p.m.

... the only score that matters is Bears 1, Redskins 0.

-----

What an idiot. So the Skins don't make a trade that makes no sense and they are somehow losers in this? What a moron.

The Bears gave up a ton because their QB isn't any good. Jason Campbell had the same rating as Cutler -- against massively tougher competition. The Skins have a good QB.

Since when is not making a bad deal a negative thing?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, no I don't believe Zorn was behind it. He doesn't have that kind of juice. I do beleive that he never spoke up for JC or tried to convince Dan and Vinny that JC's the guy and to change QBs would hurt the team.

I never said Cutler was Zorn's guy but I would imagine that Zorn, like most football people, believes Cutler is the better player and wasn't balking at having him in his stable.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Start the debate over Rajii at 13...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse
With Haynesworth, Griffin, Golsten and monty, I think DT, along with CB and safety, is an area of strength. I think we should focus on OT, SLB and C/G. Of those three areas, OT is the hardest to fill. So I think we should draft the best OT at #13, or trade back and get best available OT or best C/G with our first pick, and pick SLB next. There will be some very good SLB's in the second and third rounds.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I am looking for J Campbell to continue his progress that he had last year from the year before.
No Injuries
End with 3500+ yards, 16+ TDs 8- Ints, 85 QBR

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Following this team makes me weary...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 2, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I hope they weren't offering anything close to the bears offer and were just used by Denver to drive up the price on Cutler. This trade talk might have taken a shot at JC's ego, but now he'll play with a chip on his shoulder and everyone has overlooked the AH tampering case. As long as the mongloids in the front office aren't trigger happy for a new QB, we should be looking at a new and improved Jason Candle next season.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 2, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

What is funny about this thing is that with one outrageous deal Da Bears' FO morphed from a do nothing, stuck in the mud outfit never took any risks to one that out plunged the Ultimate Plunger.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Cinco deal didn't work & Cutler deal didn't work. Somewhere is a guardian angel wearing burgundy & gold!!!!Lets all take a collective Xanax & get back to the draft.

Posted by: will_ga | April 2, 2009 6:17 PM | ===========================================
Hooray for DA BEARS!

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"Cushing @ 13.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009"

Weren't even interested when they worked him out. All Redskins eyes were focused on the workout next door ... Sanchez.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 5:44 PM

Let me tell you something about the Redskins. They don't look at half of the people who they draft. I call the Bugged Eye Strategy. I like it though, the way Vinnie does it.

Last year it was DThomas. Thomas stated immediately after the draft that the Redskins never came to his workouts and never interviewed him. He was totally shocked that we drafted him........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Well looks like we're in for another loosing season. How many years are we going to stick with Campbell and watch him fold in the last half of the season.

I was there at that bitter cold Thursday night game two years ago after Taylor had been murdered. Campbell was lack luster and had no vision for the field. ONce he got scaked the Redskins fans starting cheering and Collins came on and lit up the team. I'm certainly not recommending Collins but there has to be someone younger who can motivate this team to play. Instead it looks like we'll have another year or two or three where Pretty Boy is more concerned about not getting hurt than playing and winning the game.

Posted by: dre7861 | April 2, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Cutler put up 30 or more points 5 times last year. 4 of those 5 times were against defenses in the bottom 10 in the league and once against the 16th defense.

Campbell played a top 8 defense 8 times. Cutler played a bottom 10 defense 9 times and played a top 8 defense ... ZERO times.

Their QB ratings were essentially the same.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"after the team failed to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos and trade Campbell."

There is no proof to this, I'm sick of J.Reid sticking up for his girl JLC. Both of them make me sick!!

Posted by: gre28man72 | April 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Denver passed the ball a lot more than they ran the ball.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Really? That's your defense? They had 91 less attempts and only were behind us by 333 yards for the season while losing 6 rbs to injury thats about 20 yards less per game. and with only 7 more passes per game Denver averaged 100 yards more yardage per game in passing. They averaged more than a TD a game better than us in points and they had 55 20+ passing plays to our 34. come off it, there is no comparison in their numbers, they only comparison is the W-L column and if you gave Denver a top 5 defense they would have won 12 to 14 games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is smart to play it this way. He comes off looking like the class act. Unfortunately for him, I don't think the trade talk is going to die down. Danny Boy is a spoiled child with a plastic football set and he just got trumped by the Bears. He won't let that one go. He'll have to pull off something big before or during the draft just to bring the spotlight back on himself. Look for him now to try to trade up to draft a QB. Happy for Campbell, but I don't think this oen is over.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 2, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Good news that Cutler will not be the next Jeff George. How will JC react to being second fiddle? Probobly not too well in my opinion. How well will our front office fvck up the rest of our season?

Posted by: splitbill | April 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Ok...Let's let the emotions settle a minute and refelct...

What if the Redskins did make trade inquiries? Why is that so bad? I think JC should be given a change to EARN a new contract, but many of you have complained (quite loudly) about his skills or lack thereof.

I liked Doc Walker's take...this team hasn't won anything and an owner has the right to try to improve the team. Why would anyone on this team be exempt from trading. Now...you may argue that Cutler may not be that much of an upgrade, but let's not riot at Redskins Park for JC.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

dbrine1261

Cutler was in the same system for 3 years. JC had to learn a new system just about every damn year. Now that Cutler has to learn a new system let's see what he does. If he flam out as I think he will make sure you come back and state that you was wrong.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought that Snyder had turned the corner when Gibbs arrived,but I was wrong.

Snyder tossed Brad Johnson under the bus for Jeff George.

Now he wanted to toss Jason under the bus for Jeff George JR.

Mr Cutler

Only this time, The football Gods said NO.

Posted by: rhowze | April 2, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Bunch of misinformed morons at the post!

Posted by: gre28man72 | April 2, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Redskins fans will give Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato much of a break over missing out on this deal. If you were wondering what the worst-case scenario was for the Redskins today, you're now staring at it.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse
I disagree, peri. The worst cast scenario would have been to lose 2 #1 picks and JC.

Right now, we are going to see how good a coach JZ is. He should be able to save thiws situation, and JCamp is a classy guy. I think they will work this out.

What would have been far worse would be to begin rebuilding with whiny Cutler as a clubhouse "leader". That would have been tough.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I admire JC and his attitude but would have no problem if he came out and said FU Dan Snyder. I am playing for me and my teammates.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 2, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Instant analysis: Scouts, Inc., on the trade

April 2, 2009 7:25 PM

Posted by ESPN.com's Kevin Seifert

Just got off the phone with personnel analyst Matt Williamson of Scouts, Inc., who expressed a few fair reservations about Jay Cutler's gunslinger mentality. But overall, Williamson said Chicago "dramatically improved" its offense by acquiring Cutler from Denver and added:

"The Bears are probably the team to beat in their division. If I had to pick right now, I would pick them to win the North, where I wouldn't have yesterday. So I think that speaks to the significance of this trade."

On the most basic level, Williamson said Cutler more than fits the profile of an ideal Chicago quarterback that plays at least eight games a year at Soldier Field:

"You need a big, strong-armed guy to cut through the wind and the elements. I know it sounds simple, but the average fan tends to overlook that. Whenever you're shopping for a quarterback to play in Chicago, New York, Cleveland or somewhere like that, you better have a cannon and throw a spiral that can cut the wind. Cutler can do that in a big way. The defense has to guard the whole field, and that hasn't always been the case in the past 10 years or so in Chicago. Arm strength like that can make a lot of other problems go away."

Williamson also predicted Cutler could make a significant player out of receiver Earl Bennett, who did not catch a pass last season but has been penciled in as a starter for 2009. (The Bears no longer having a 2009 draft choice further reduces the possibility they'll be able to draft a receiver who can step into the starting lineup right away.)

Bennett and Cutler were teammates at Vanderbilt and are so close that Cutler returned to campus last year to throw for Bennett's pro day workout last year.

"They had a tremendous rapport at Vanderbilt, and that's actually a big deal when you talk about quarterbacks and receivers. While he was a disappointment last year, you could see a guy like Bennett being much more viable now -- particularly on out routes and intermediate routes. I don't think he's going to be a field stretcher. That will be Devin Hester's job. But Cutler is going to help guys like Bennett, [tight end] Greg Olsen and even [tailback] Matt Forte be more productive in the passing game."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Honestly who cares about this story!! I am tired of the excuses that are given for campbell, and why he hasn't done a better job at quarterback. The answer is right under our noses and no trade, no draft picks, no rumors need to be talked about.........COLT BRENNAN!!!!! everyone is this forum saw this kid in the preseason...is his time, and I know he will lead our beloved Redskins to our fourth vince lombardi trophy.....

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Dan:Jerry I tried my best to get that new QB u told me about but I could not do it.
Jerry: Hoo Perrr, Hooo Perrr, Daniel what did I tell you, you needed to give up 4 first round picks and all your picks for this year. Hoo Perrr
Dan: I told VC but JZ then got there n said no. He said he would tell the press if I did that.
Jerry: hoo perr Daniel, how many times do I have to tell you ignore your coach. hoo per

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

dang.. we're stuck with pad-my-stats short passes Campbell who 31 other GM's didnt want today in exchange for their number 1 pick that Snyder/Vinny could package with the Skins number 1 pick (ie. 2 First round picks, to match up with Chicago. At least now Snyder and Vinny know what the rest of the League has known.. Campbell should of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick who Gibbs severely overrated.

Campbell threw for 2000 less yards than Cutler!! And half the TD production!! With those stats you would think Campbell only played half a season. And we're still stuck with a Head Coach acting as an Offensive Coordinator who cant call plays from the sideline. I was getting excited about Cutler.. he is worth 3 first rounders... And it would of been nice to have Shanahan come along too.

If lucky its going to be a 6-10 season next year.. Because last year's second half W-L record of 2-6 is highly indicative of how the rest of the league has figured out a JC/Zorn offense. Neither were talented enough to overcome the opposing Def Coordinators adjustments in the second half.

Sell your season tix.. stay home, Tivo the games and waste only 30 minutes watching JC and Zorn lose each weekend, while waiting for Cowher or Shanahan in 2010.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, Williamson didn't believe the Bears' relatively thin group of receivers will inhibit Cutler's performance. If anything, Williamson said, Cutler's penchant for taking risks poses the biggest threat to his success in Chicago:

"Not many people have brought that up during this whole discussion about him being a great young quarterback over the past month or so. But that's a big negative about him. He can get the ball into tight windows, but I would think some of the things he does would make a defensive head coach pull his hair out. You think of Lovie Smith, who is defensive-minded and pretty conservative, and you wonder how he'll react to some of the things he does.

"People compare his arm strength to Brett Favre, but you can also compare them when it comes to taking risks. His bad decisions are off the charts, and he makes a lot of them. He'll throw a lot of picks and put his defense in a bad spot more often than you'd like. But all in all, it's a good move, especially considering where they were before this."


I say:
when you have a top 5 defense like ours though, I'll take the risks and appreciate the rewards of offense that averages of over 21 points a game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Well Dan now what??? You dissed #17 Now what? Too bad Jason doesn't act like Cutler because you would really have a mess on your hands. He's too classy for that may be you should take a lesson from #17 on taking the high road. Can I have some Eggs Benedict? Because it's all on yours and your partner in crime Vinny's faces right now. I hope that Jason has a stellar year and leaves!! You don't deserve a class act like Campbell. Maybe you should have heard the interview with Andy Pollin "In The Locker Room" If he hadn't stated that he was angry when asked the question no one would have known but Now someone finally told the Great Dan Snyder Hell to the NO!!! Thanks Pat Bowlen and Brian Xanders. May be now Dan you go into your hole and never come out again. Just learn to sign the checks and be happy. Stop trying to keep up with the Jones ie (Jerral Jones of the Dallas Cowboys) Oh and by the way don't think that you will be able to draft Mark Sanchez in the first round he'll be a top 5 or 10 pick and to all of you fair weather fans who still wanted the crybaby Cutler Mr. Me First you are not real Redskins Fans We have a Qb to support let build a O-Line around him D E V E L O P the WR's and TE's (Fred Davis) around him instead of trying to get rid of him and Dan and Vinny please don't try to insult our intelligence by coming up with some lame excuse by saying that we were never seriously looking to get Jay Cutler? Us real Redskins Fans that support Jason Campbell are behind him. This will be his second year in the same offense which should be better instead of figuring what to do with the draft picks (5) we have to deal with all this mess. Look to move down the in draft pick up more picks you only 7 mil of cap space and get a core base that you can build around plus depth its bad enough that you spent 100 mil on Haynesworth and now the tampering charges from the Titans you have to deal with that. Dan just deal with what you have a work with it!

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 2, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I am looking for J Campbell to continue his progress that he had last year from the year before.
No Injuries
End with 3500+ yards, 16+ TDs 8- Ints, 85 QBR

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 7:38 PM |

Thank you very much Alex35332. At least you have gone out on a limb and given a baseline. You have not set the bar too high as you seem to be happy with JC17 being in the bottom half of the league among QB's starting 16 games, in everything , but I trust JC will let you down anyway.

16 TD's plus 4 FG a game = 19 points a game. Our kicker would be in the HOF with 4 a game plus a PAT so that ain't happening either but you better hope the defense is top 3 if we are making the playoffs scoring 13-19 a week.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

every story i heard this morning in regards to the skins interest in cutler was using the wapo as a source, and their story was basically it's the skins, of course they wanna do it. IMHO, we weren't in the mix at all.

Posted by: hcicron | April 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Really? That's your defense? They had 91 less attempts and only were behind us by 333 yards for the season while losing 6 rbs to injury thats about 20 yards less per game. and with only 7 more passes per game Denver averaged 100 yards more yardage per game in passing. They averaged more than a TD a game better than us in points and they had 55 20+ passing plays to our 34. come off it, there is no comparison in their numbers, they only comparison is the W-L column and if you gave Denver a top 5 defense they would have won 12 to 14 games.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:44 PM

If our offense was that reckless and frenetic, we would have given up 30 a game as well. We showed in the last year of Gibbs 2, vs tampa and dallas that we could go up and down the field, passing the ball, but we also showed that the other team would score more to.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | April 2, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Cutler stats - Campbell's stats for 2008

69 of 110 for 1281 yards with 12 TDs and 12 INTs

I'll concede the yardage is impressive. But the same number of picks and TDs? The only NFL QB in 2008 with the same number of picks and TDs (8) was Dan Orlovsky.

And Campbell played much tougher competition.

Seriously, walking away from this trade was a smart thing ... unless Shanahan was coming to town with Cutler. And even then, it made no sense to approach the Bears offer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to JC continuing his mediocrity, 3500 yds, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 7 fumbles lost, 35 sacks (11 or so he'll run into like he did last year and 9 or so others that happen cause he won't throw the ball away) and a 9 win season despite a top 3 defense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 2, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Switching focus to draft: Andre Smith looks like a top 10 pick, if not he's a stud; Sanchez does too... Rey Maualauga, who ran a 4.91 at the combine while hurting his hammy, just ran a 4.59-4.71 at his pro day today. Just sayin... the speed to stay w/backs out of the backfield or TEs, a replacement for London when he gets towards retirement.... Or they could just trade back and draft 2 more WRs. Who knows.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Geez.. enough of this argument.. MAtt Ryan, Chad Pennington, 3 other NFL QB's proved this wrong last year.. Cutler only had 2 years under the same OC. One year less NFL experience than Jason.. Jason had Gibbs/Saunders for 3 years and showed no major improvement (qb stats).

dbrine1261

Cutler was in the same system for 3 years. JC had to learn a new system just about every damn year. Now that Cutler has to learn a new system let's see what he does. If he flam out as I think he will make sure you come back and state that you was wrong.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Sell your season tix.. stay home, Tivo the games and waste only 30 minutes watching JC and Zorn lose each weekend, while waiting for Cowher or Shanahan in 2010.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 7:50 PM
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You sound like a cowgirls fan.

Sayonara.

I'll be rooting for Jason Campbell and the Washington Redskins.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who is glad about Campbell feeling betrayed? I'd like to see him mad and fired up for once in his Redskin career.

And, hopefully this means Colt will get a serious look to see if is the QB of the future since the Skins really need to know if Colt can take over in 2010.

Oh, and we still have our draft picks.

Win Win Win!

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse
The only thing that Joe Theisman was 10 times JC was mouth, and the ability to pat himself on the back. At this stage of his career (4th year), JT was still playing Canadien league.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow donald taylor - the people who wanted to upgrade at the most important position on the team so we could win are not real fans, but you who hope the only QB we have left has a great season and leaves to spite the front office is a real fan? No that is a strange one.....

I really don't get the people with all the vitriol over the front office and wishing bad things and embarrassment, and egg on the face, and all this garbage. The only thing I can get is that you just enjoy writing ugly things and this is your outlet. Dan Snyder is not goign away for many many years. he will probably outlive most of you. He is a tremendous business person and the Redskins are financially the most wealthy team in North American history so there will never be a reason for him to sell. If you really are that upset with him, you should really find a team and owners you can enjoy and get behind. unles like I said before you jsut really prefer to be obnoxious a-holes about things you really know nothing about.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

jm220
I hope you are right an this lights a fire under JC. I go a vibe from that interview that he is mad at ownership for this, but knows how to behave in public when that happens

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

every story i heard this morning in regards to the skins interest in cutler was using the wapo as a source, and their story was basically it's the skins, of course they wanna do it. IMHO, we weren't in the mix at all.

Posted by: hcicron | April 2, 2009 7:51 PM

I totally agree, every post I saw had wpost as the source. Face it Loackforeskin makes up 3/4 of his post because the Skins don't give him any information they know that he is going to make trouble just to get a byline!! he does it all the time. I don't believe a word he writes I wish he would just go cover the ravens or take his **** some place else.

Posted by: logmanrobert1 | April 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

DAMN RAJI HOW CAN YOU BE READY TO BE A TOP 10 PIC IN THE DRAFT MAKIN A HUGE PAYDAY AND YOU CANT GET YUR SYSTEM CLEAN B4 THE COMBINE ITS NOT LIKE IT WAS A "POP WHIZ"
YOU KNEW THEY WOULD PISS YOU AT THE COMBINE WHAT A IDIOT HE DONT DESERVE TO GET DRAFTED AT ALL LET HIM PLAY FOR LEAGUE MINIMUM FOR BEING STUPID

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

zj, simple solution here, go root for the bears...you seem enarmored by Cutler, so follow you heart....get to steppin...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler = Prima donna

Jason Campbell = Professional

Jay Cutler is on the same level at T.O. If Jay wasn't white, we would be killing him for the moves he pulled.

Posted by: dominic10464 | April 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"I look forward to JC continuing his mediocrity, 3500 yds, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 7 fumbles lost, 35 sacks (11 or so he'll run into like he did last year and 9 or so others that happen cause he won't throw the ball away) and a 9 win season despite a top 3 defense."

You look forward to a Skins player having a mediocre year. Awesome man, go root for the Bears then. You Campbell haters invest so much into your arguments that you actually root for him to fail. Which by default revokes your Redskins fancard.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Geez.. enough of this argument.. MAtt Ryan, Chad Pennington, 3 other NFL QB's proved this wrong last year.. Cutler only had 2 years under the same OC. One year less NFL experience than Jason.. Jason had Gibbs/Saunders for 3 years and showed no major improvement (qb stats).

dbrine1261

Cutler was in the same system for 3 years. JC had to learn a new system just about every damn year. Now that Cutler has to learn a new system let's see what he does. If he flam out as I think he will make sure you come back and state that you was wrong.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage |

not sure how my name got in the middle of that post. i never said any of that.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to JC continuing his mediocrity, 3500 yds, 15 TDs, 10 INTs, 7 fumbles lost, 35 sacks (11 or so he'll run into like he did last year and 9 or so others that happen cause he won't throw the ball away) and a 9 win season despite a top 3 defense.

Posted by: zjfr2

Alright, keep being negative and hope for the worst for Jason. Give him some freakin' time! He's had to learn a new offense every single year and the O line hasn't help him out one bit.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Why shouldn't he believe Zorn? Do you think Zorn was behind this?"

Zorn most certainly was not behind this. If Cutler came here, that would have spelled the end of Zorn (and the beginning of Shanahan in DC). He would have been no more than a placeholder, and unless HE was the most gullible coach on the planet, he would have known this.

Nope, Zorn wanted Campbell all along because he knows their two futures with this franchise are tied together.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

So tired of everyone hatin on ZORN he is gonna be one helluva coach it was his first year at anything other than a position coach and now he knows what to expect he and campbell will light it up this year i honestly see a really good push deep into th playoffs and with a lilluck at stayin healthy a SUPERBOWL!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Campbell (84 QB Rating) is acting "classy" because he knows he's lucky to be a starting QB. He'd be a backup on any other team. And should of been last year to Collins (106 QB Rating). But, the Redskins play largest Contracts not the best player.

The Deal didnt happen today because (from my earlier posting) 31 other GM's didnt want to take JC in exchange their number 1 pick. The pick that Snyder/Vinny were going to package with the Skins other number 1 pick (ie. 2 First round picks), to match up with Chicago. At least now Snyder and Vinny know what the rest of the League has known.. Campbell should of been a 2nd or 3rd round pick who Gibbs severely overrated.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

donaldtaylor wrote...
.....He's too classy for that may be you should take a lesson from #17 on taking the high road. ...... hope that Jason has a stellar year and leaves!! You don't deserve a class act like Campbell.

Posted by: donaldtaylor

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse
The only thing that Joe Theisman was 10 times JC was mouth, and the ability to pat himself on the back. At this stage of his career (4th year), JT was still playing Canadien league.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah his mouth adn two Nfc Championships, 2 SB s with one SB Ring...yeah those are definitely the differences

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how much of this rumor was cooked up to get maximum payment out of Cutler and how much was actually true. So hard to tell these days. So we dodged a bullet, possibly, in spite of ourselves, maybe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation!

We have seen the best Jason has to offer. If 35yr old Collins was able to come in (Campbell injury 2007) and lead us to a playoff...think what Colt will do under the Zorn regime....why is it that no one else sees what "natural talent" we have siiting on the bench??

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

not to beat a dead horse but,
team/pass def rank/ yards pga
philly/3rd/182.1
dallas/5th/187.7
gints/8th/196.2
oak/10th/201.2
kc/28th/234.2
sd/31st/247

Posted by: hcicron | April 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

The same people on here saying the Skins botched this trade and the front office sucks and all this and that would be complaining to no end had we given up Jason Campbell, 1st round, 5th round this year, 1st round next year and only recieved a 3rd round this year and Cutler. Cutler is a strong armed quarterback that will take lots of chances and throw lots of picks. Jason Campbell has every bit the arm strength and if he started taking chances and throwing picks everyone would be saying he's a bum, he sucks and this and that. He's on his back waaaay to often. Cutler would be beind the same line and throwing to the same underachieving recievers. Would not have a made a huge difference. I'm glad we have our picks. Give Campbell this, his last season under contract to earn a pay day... Here or somewhere else. If it doesn't work give the young boy Colt a shot (whom with his lack of arm strength but ridiculous accuracy I think would thrive in the West Coast). Crossing my fingers for trading down in the draft, for more picks and solid players. I don't need superstars. Just guys that "buy in" and will play every down like they have something to prove. (Enter Chris Horton). Pray for solid to good line play this season. Lets go REDSKINS. Lets go JASON CAMPBELL! This, the team we all love's starting quarterback who has proved to be one of the classiest players this team has seen in quite some time. Sorry for the length.

Posted by: daniel_estepp | April 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse
The only thing that Joe Theisman was 10 times JC was mouth, and the ability to pat himself on the back. At this stage of his career (4th year), JT was still playing Canadien league.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah his mouth adn two Nfc Championships, 2 SB s with one SB Ring...yeah those are definitely the differences

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Another few notes...JT was in the canadian league by choice...he was drafted by the Dolphins and didn't want to play there so in order for him to keep playing he had to play up there until his rights were released by the Dolphins.....

And for anyone to bash JT afetr he helped take the franchise to two stright SBs (nobody else has done this with the Skins) and our first SB victory....is flat out disrespectful....Now IF JC wins a SB then you can Compare but until that day...there is no comparison.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok I am outa here. enjoyed it but it has gotten childish. Campbell should not feel betrayed nor should he be surprised. His performance and results have been mediocre in a performance and results driven business. This is sports and its win or go home. He signed a contract and it is up this year. I hope he has a great year and then I don't care if he leaves or not. I do know we are wasting years of a very good defense and London Fletcher can not hold it together forever. Even he started getting tweaked at the end of the year.

If we don't do it soon, we will be rebuilding that side of the ball if we have not got their already with only 2 decent LB on the whole squad.

Perhaps Cutler was not the answer, and I am glad we didn't mortgage the farm for him as it is much cheaper to draft busts than to trade for them and give them huge contracts. At least with the draft choices you get more bodies and somebody might come in and accidentally learn to play after you get them. Maybe Randle El can still play QB. He is another hard working nice guy killing us. HTTR and God Bless Dan Snyder for reinvesting in the team. Vinny....sorry, not so much.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Dont go around acting like an 84 QBR is toxic, its not HOF material but it is a totally acceptable rating for a QB. We are not talking about Tarvis Jackson or Ryan Leaf.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

why is it that no one else sees what "natural talent" we have siiting on the bench??

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:12 PM
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Perhaps not all of us are blessed with X Ray Spex.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Ironically this may be the best time ever to sign Campbell to a long-term contract.

Hey no one wants you - even for a 3rd round pick - how about we "reward" your loyalty and sign you to a 5 year deal for 1.5 mil a year?

That way depending on how 2009 works out we either have the cheapest franchise QB in history ... or at least a serviceable backup when Todd Collins is finally too old.

Posted by: mac2j | April 2, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I ask all the Campbell supporters one moer time..... Incidentally I have asked this at least 10 times over hr last few months and not a single person has answered. We are stuck with campbell whether some of us like it or not, what does he need to do, in your opinion, if you were in charge, to get a contract extension and continue as the starting QB.
Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

This is just off the top of my head, but let me start the debate, since "not a single person has answered."

First of all, assuming we solidfy the OL, JC needs to "win". At least 10-6.

2. Minimize turnovers... fumbles and INT's.

3. maintain a high level of completions, say 63%.

4. JC cannot catch the ball, but he needs to have his throws on target, in other words catchable.

You cannot list a set of stats and judge him by that. You need to have leadership, confidence, intangibles that will enable the Skins to be successful in the long run.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Stinko Part II.

Whew, glad that didn't work out!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Stinko Part II.

Whew, glad that didn't work out!

Posted by: Alan4

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I agree...

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation!

We have seen the best Jason has to offer. If 35yr old Collins was able to come in (Campbell injury 2007) and lead us to a playoff...think what Colt will do under the Zorn regime....why is it that no one else sees what "natural talent" we have siiting on the bench??

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:12 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Its because Dan has to still sell 800,000 Campbell 17 jerseys in the Redskins store's inventories. No one is going to buy a non-starter..haha..

We may be the one of the most mediocre non-Super Bowl appearance team in the last 17 years (thank you Lions for not making the Skins number 1)..
BUT Danny has made us the wealthiest best merchandised team in the history of the NFL!!!

oops... gotta run.. need to order my 2009 DRAFT DAY Hat on Redskins.Com!!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Chick Hernandez w/Comcast interviewed Jason Campbell tonight. After the interview, Chick said he is certain that Santana, El, CP, and all the other Skins offensive players will tell Jason "we got your back" and give it 100% to make sure he succeeds.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Great -- I'm glad all you Campbell supporters are enjoying the run of medeocre football the Redskins have been running out there since Gibbs returned. You enjoy watchingnothing more than .500 football with the most boring quarterback in the league who has not progressed (and in fact has regressed) in his time as starter.

He's a class guy, sure, but he's a stiff and is never going to win anything. This team has not had a decent QB for over 20 years, and they still don't.

Posted by: raymitten | April 2, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Stinko Part II.

Whew, glad that didn't work out!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 8:21 PM |
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Exactly.

The Campbell haters around here need to release their anger...

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM

LOL! thanks for making me feel better...

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking about something that won't happen...

Let's say it all together....

Cush-ing

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

And Rachel we get it. you really really really really like Campbell and think that everything hinges on the fact that he has had to learn new offenses. We get it. We just don't agree with you. In any offense you have to make reads, and you have to be accurate. Jason does neither, period. For those who feel the OL let him down, they did their part obviously, but it would not have been as obvious if Campbell could read a defense and make his WR reads as fast as most other QB's. Not saying our line was great or anything, but if you hold the ball as long as he does, you are going to get sacked, the other guys are getting paid to do their job too. How long do you think it should take a guy who has been playing the game his entire life to learn 90 or 100 plays? thats al lthere are really. You might run them form different sets but they are variations of the same plays. The difference in them is how your QB reads the defense and makes his progressions through the play. I know that makes it sound simple, but it really is just that simple. I can tell from my seat half way up section 434 who he is going to throw to before he has even set his feet, so i am guessing the DB's on the other side can too. Then when he stares them down and they are covered he doesn't have time to look over the rest of the field so he dumps it off short for a 5 yard pas on 3rd and 7, throws it away, or gets sacked and fumbles every 4 or 5 sacks. That has nothing to do with the system. He just isn't good enough. There are about 25 guys in the worls that are good enough and he is not one of them. I would like to try somebody else and see if they are. Thats all. Some disagree, but is it more imprtant to win the argument, or to have a chance to win. at some point you are going to have to admit that he can't play and that you wasted x number of years waiting. I guess we are no different than any of the other 10-12 teams without a real QB, but I woul sure like to be. Night all

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

In other news, Andre Smith will be at Redskins Park sometime next week.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Campbell will finally get a second season with the same system and the same coach. It will be fun watching how him blow up this year!

Hopefully, he'll forgive Snyder and just make him pay through the nose to keep him at the end of the year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

raymitten: Nobody is saying they like mediocre football, just give Jason a chance. If he doesn't perform well this year then you can start complaining. It just isn't fair to start criticizing Campbell when he's had to learn new offenses every year and has had no help from the O line.

All you people talking about Jason and his years of mediocrity, ever heard of a breakout season?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"The Deal didnt happen today because (from my earlier posting) 31 other GM's didnt want to take JC in exchange their number 1 pick."


That's not true; the Bears gave 2 firsts, a 3rd, AND THEIR STARTING QB. We'd have to have thrown in a 3rd, and we already had the 2 firsts... nobody has shown that the skins were willing to throw in the extra third and the Broncos chose Orton over Campbell... it's just as likely that the Broncos sent him to Chicago to screw him over, or the skins wouldn't give their 3rd rounder (the Bears' leading receiver last year was Forte, the tailback). They just signed a 34-year old Orlando Pace, that the 2-14 Rams just cut, to protect Cutler's blind side... I bet his release is going to get a little quicker, if you know what I mean.

Maybe Campbell wouldn't get a 1st, but he hasn't exactly lit the league up yet. Let's give him 1 more year (or maybe the FO trades a 1 and a 3 and moves up to get Sanchez. What the hell do I know).

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still talking about something that won't happen...

Let's say it all together....

Cush-ing

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

would love cushing in 1st with an ot in 3rd since this draft lacking in olb talent

Posted by: hcicron | April 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

dbrine1261.....I could not have put it any better...thank you for the comment...as I said before...Colt time...he cannot do any worse, and from what I can remeber he is more accurate and a much quicker release than Jason will ever be. As a fan I am tired of the same old crap!!!!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

dbrine1261: I'll take your word cause you know more than me. Maybe I am just feeling he was wronged by Danny and Vinny, so I feel really bad. I guess we'll just see what happens this year. I'm hoping for the best, obviously. I'm done with my harping.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 2, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Well frediefritz a least you answered with something sot of. It is a game of numbers, thats why they keep stats. t least you said something about wins and completion percentage. Hope you stick to it. So if JKasone completes less than 63% and wins less than 10 games you are ok with him being cut? Again you dont set the bar too high like Alex, but at least you have some mediocre standard. Jason had dozens more ball over thrown and thrown in the dirt than players dropped last year. He had many more that WR took away form defenders or layed out for than were good passes dropped so that should not be an issue. I think id you are unwilling to give any yardage TD's etc at least how about yds per attempt or completion? you see imay be able to complete 63% of my screen passes to Portis and dumps to Cooley. Just saying. I think "improvement" can go on forever and he still would not be up to the level of good, or leader, or winner.

We have close to the easiest schedule in the league this year. if we don't take advantage of it now it will be along time before we get another chance. I really am going now. lol

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Chick Hernandez w/Comcast interviewed Jason Campbell tonight. After the interview, Chick said he is certain that Santana, El, CP, and all the other Skins offensive players will tell Jason "we got your back" and give it 100% to make sure he succeeds.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse


golly gee that's just great Beaver....Tell wally that we are all good....Eddie has his back too. Knowing this...i can see why we are going all the way!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I ask all the Campbell supporters one moer time..... Incidentally I have asked this at least 10 times over hr last few months and not a single person has answered. We are stuck with campbell whether some of us like it or not, what does he need to do, in your opinion, if you were in charge, to get a contract extension and continue as the starting QB.
Posted by: dbrine1261


I'll answer that. We need the OL to improve dramatically over the 2nd half of last year. We need at least one of the two WRs from last years draft to become a #3 quality WR. We need Moss's hammy to be OK and ARE to be healthy.

If we get that, Campbell needs to have a QB rating at or near 90 to get more than an interim extension. 90 would be 10th in the league in 2008.

If Moss's hammy goes out in week 1 or the OL looks like it did in the second half of '08, an 80+ rating is needed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

leevi

'...oh well...they tried...we are stuck now...at least for this year....'

Stuck?

How are we 'stuck'?

For years we've changed coaches, schemes, quarterbacks, draft picks and haven't gotten anything but more change.

Sometimes 'stuck' is good.

In fact, Marerback, and Sanchez probably will be gone before we draft, forcing the team to do right by itself and draft for need.

And so, if we are lucky, we'll be 'stuck' with a new tackle, strong side linebacker, center/guard, cornerback, weak side 'backer, and a special teamer. And we keep all of our picks for the 2010 draft.

This kind of 'stuck' I like.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

leevi, you are the one who shouted THUS FAR! So shut up. JC THUS FAR has far outshown JT, 4 years into his career. There is no comparison... let me repeat, NO COMPARISON! JT wasn't even in the big leagues at that point in his career. NO COMPARISON!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

dbrine1261.....I could not have put it any better...thank you for the comment...as I said before...Colt time...he cannot do any worse, and from what I can remeber he is more accurate and a much quicker release than Jason will ever be. As a fan I am tired of the same old crap!!!!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life


Let noone be confused. I NEVER said Colt was the answer, or any answer at all. he has no arm strngth, throws off the wrong foot, and looks like he is falling down the whole time he is dropping back. HE is Brett Favre without the cannon for an arm and Brett is the all time interception leader so waht do you think would happen to Colt. He made his reputation against our Sisters of the Poor in college and the ngot blown up in the bowl game and the senior bowl. i would have rather seen us use that pick on a 2nd punter..... ok maybe not that bad but Colt Brennan? NO NO NO

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll say this, I like campbell and feel the skins have screwed up a good kid with years of coaching turnover. Also, most experts have alreadysaid it takes 2-3 years to learn the WCO. Now having said that, this is his last year to prove himself, which is perfect with his contract expiring, if he sux it up, he's gone and if he doesn't we finally have a QB.

Posted by: hcicron | April 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Jason had Gibbs/Saunders for 3 years and showed no major improvement (qb stats)."

Gibbs and Saunders systems were completely and totally different. And Zorn's system is even more different. This is the first continuity in an offensive philosophy he will have as a starter in his pro career.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Zorn brought here to develop JC17? In Seattle, Zorn took Hasselbeck (70.9 QB rating in his 3rd year in the NFL, 1st year with Zorn) and made him a 3-time Pro Bowler. Hasselbeck was benched for Trent Dilfer in Zorn's first year?

It didn't happen in the first year.

Some Skins fans act like a Snyder mini-me, too impatient to actually let players develop here. The constant turnover is causing the medicrity, people! Too many coaches and too many QBs.

Snyder is good at giving up players as they are peaking and taking players from other teams that have already peaked (and never do better here).

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to sports_guru, btw?

A couple of weeks ago, he lead a 300 post brigade against Campbell, but for some reason today, of all days, he doesn't have time to post?

Maybe he's calling himself something else these days.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you something about the Redskins. They don't look at half of the people who they draft. I call the Bugged Eye Strategy. I like it though, the way Vinnie does it.

Last year it was DThomas. Thomas stated immediately after the draft that the Redskins never came to his workouts and never interviewed him. He was totally shocked that we drafted him........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 7:40 PM

You're joking right? Because there's no genius in researching one player then randomly picking another. Is there?

Posted by: mack1 | April 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Comparing him to JT is not even in the same league. Jt was 10 times the QB campbell is THUS FAR

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

leevi, you are the one who shouted THUS FAR! So shut up. JC THUS FAR has far outshown JT, 4 years into his career. There is no comparison... let me repeat, NO COMPARISON! JT wasn't even in the big leagues at that point in his career. NO COMPARISON!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 8:43 PM


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It took Joe Theismann 2 seasons with Gibbs to win a Super Bowl, with a team that did not have super stars....Let's see if Campbell can match with Zorn on his second season under the same system...doubt it!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"I can tell from my seat half way up section 434 who he is going to throw to before he has even set his feet"

It amazes me that a guy with zero knowledge of the Redskins playbook, zero knowledge of the routes being run, zero knowledge of the blocking assignments being called, zero knowledge of the proper progressions intended, and sitting halfway up the stadium watching a LIVE game (meaning no replays) can "tell...who he is going to throw to" DURING his drop.

Excuse me for not believing a word you have said. I'm calling straight bulls*** on your posts (nothing personal).

It comes as no surprise to see you write "In any offense you have to make reads, and you have to be accurate. Jason does neither, period" despite the fact that he has the lowest interception percentage of any quarterback in the league and a completely adequate completion percentage. But I guess his complete inability to read a defense and his complete inaccuracy had no effect on those two stats.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Well Dan now what??? You dissed #17 Now what?

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 2, 2009 7:50 PM

Donald,

Glad you asked. Plan B is to trade up and grab Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Well frediefritz a least you answered with something sot of. It is a game of numbers, thats why they keep stats. t least you said something about wins and completion percentage. Hope you stick to it. So if JKasone completes less than 63% and wins less than 10 games you are ok with him being cut? Again you dont set the bar too high like Alex, but at least you have some mediocre standard. Jason had dozens more ball over thrown and thrown in the dirt than players dropped last year. He had many more that WR took away form defenders or layed out for than were good passes dropped so that should not be an issue. I think id you are unwilling to give any yardage TD's etc at least how about yds per attempt or completion? you see imay be able to complete 63% of my screen passes to Portis and dumps to Cooley. Just saying. I think "improvement" can go on forever and he still would not be up to the level of good, or leader, or winner.

We have close to the easiest schedule in the league this year. if we don't take advantage of it now it will be along time before we get another chance. I really am going now. lol

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

NO, I'm not going to set a stat baseline that JC needs to exceed. This game is all about wins and losses. You can have great stats and lose. I want the whole team to focus on what needs to be done to win. That can mean fewer motion and of-side penalties, other types of things that don't show up in your passing stats.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

leevi, you are the one who shouted THUS FAR! So shut up. JC THUS FAR has far outshown JT, 4 years into his career. There is no comparison... let me repeat, NO COMPARISON! JT wasn't even in the big leagues at that point in his career. NO COMPARISON!

Posted by: frediefritz

Actually Freddie, by this time in Theismanns carreer he was the runner up to the Heismann Trophy and was winning his 4th Grey Cup in the CFL where he was already a Rookie of the year and league MVP twice. I am thinking he was doing OK. I think you just like to argue. I was the first to comment about Theisman because somebody said something about Campbell not being like Theisman and it was a good thing. I was the one who first said he took us to 2 SB and in spite of being in Canada for 5 years and returning punts for us for 2 he still finished in the top 20 lifetime in most catagories including NFC Championships and Super Bowls.

When Levi said "thus far" he meant that thus far Campbell has won nothing, but he may in the future. Theismann is one of the top 5 players to ever put on a Redskins jersey. Not sure why you would even want to argue about that.

You are not really trying to compare a guy who is in the bottom third of the league and can't make the playoffs to the 2nd most successful QB in the history of the franchise are you? And no #1 is not Sonny Jurgenson though I love you Sonny, much of his lifetime stats were 9 years with the Eagles. No the guy I am speaking of is Sammy Baugh who some say is the greatest to ever live with all due respect to Jim Brown.

Anyway ..... well nevermind

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Glad you asked. Plan B is to trade up and grab Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 8:51 PM
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Put me on record as stating that's a st00pid plan.

Use the first pick on the O.L. please. For a change. For the better.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

A Final Comment About The Chicago Bears Starting Quarterback.

The playoffs.

Redskins v. Bears, early January, 2010.

Skins win, Campbell throws 1 touchdown, no INTS, Portis on fresh legs has a monster game, 1 touchdown.

Bears lose, Cutler throws 2 touchdowns, 2 picks, Hall returns one for a touchdown.

Suisham's right foot scores 6 points.

Gould chokes

Skins win 20-14.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

From the previous thread:

Cutler had expressed a strong desire to play in Chicago throughout the process, according to a source who had spoken to the player.

Does anyone wonder why he didn't want to play for Snyder's outfit, knowing we've had 10 starting QBs in the past 10 years and were looking for another?

I think he looked at the Skins wideouts, looked at the O-line, looked at how Snyder is treating JC17 and said "heil no!"

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Put me on record as stating that's a st00pid plan.

Use the first pick on the O.L. please. For a change. For the better.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 8:57 PM

Very well: You're on record. You can be sure that when Mr. Snyder wants to hear your opinion, then he'll tell you what it is. Mr. Snyder has an itch for the Big Plash, and Haynesworth wasn't enough of a Plash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Let noone be confused. I NEVER said Colt was the answer, or any answer at all. he has no arm strngth, throws off the wrong foot, and looks like he is falling down the whole time he is dropping back. HE is Brett Favre without the cannon for an arm and Brett is the all time interception leader so waht do you think would happen to Colt. He made his reputation against our Sisters of the Poor in college and the ngot blown up in the bowl game and the senior bowl. i would have rather seen us use that pick on a 2nd punter..... ok maybe not that bad but Colt Brennan? NO NO NO

Posted by: dbrine1261

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To each his own opinion...I do agree with one thing you said...he is like a Brett Favre, and wether he has a cannon arm or not, he will lead this team down the field and put up more td's than Campbell, throwing off the wrong foot as you put it...

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyway ..... well nevermind

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 8:57 PM
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So, who which NFL team will you be rooting for this year, dbrine1261?

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Very well: You're on record. You can be sure that when Mr. Snyder wants to hear your opinion, then he'll tell you what it is. Mr. Snyder has an itch for the Big Plash, and Haynesworth wasn't enough of a Plash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:00 PM
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Put me on record as stating that the best move Dan Snyder could make would be to remove himself from all football decisions.

But he is not smart enough to make that move.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

couple of weeks ago, he lead a 300 post brigade against Campbell, but for some reason today, of all days, he doesn't have time to post?

Maybe he's calling himself something else these days.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:47 PM

Moe,

He had a few posts. I didn't pay much attention to them (unlike yours, or course) but the gist was that he would be glad to see JC gone, but would prefer JC over Cutler. I think the theme was "Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Put me on record as stating that the best move Dan Snyder could make would be to remove himself from all football decisions.

But he is not smart enough to make that move.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 9:06 PM

I think he's plenty smart enough. But he didn't buy the team to turn it over to a professional. He bought it to run it. He's trying to live the Sinatra life "I did it my way." If he can't win his way, then he doesn't want to win at all.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

So Freddie as I said, if he doesn't win 10 games or have a 63% copmletion rate you are happy to see him go? I am just trying to see what you will be happy with so at the end of the year when we all go through this again we can see what we said. How do you decide how big his contract is if stats are not in it? And if it's such an all for one thing, do we reward all the players based on wins by the team? Or only him. Do we ignore tackles and sacks for the lineman or only wins. i mean you cant really even use points or yardage right because we don't know about injuries. Do we reward good guys and hard work? Hey I work hard can I get a contract?

Come on now, you know better than that. You have to score to win. We were the worst team in the league last year in the red zone. LAST!!! I think 30th in overall scoring. hell i can play QB and be last and i will work for the minimum.

It all sounds very three muskateers and all but it doesn't work that way. he has the ball in his hands every play. He takes the responsibility and has to do something with it on every play. If a WR is taking a play off it is up to him to find another option and take care of the problem later but there are other options. Only one QB though. Is it fair to him? HELL YES ITS FAIR! We are not happy with dink and dump and trick plays. We need efficient drives with good decisions and execution. We have not seen that consistantly since Brad Johnson and Stephen Davis! That team did not have great WR either. Anyway take a stand. It's ok to like him and support him and still make goals and hold him to them. You can't get a feeling or you can make excuses until he is 40. Nothing is ever perfect and there will always be injuries and holes in your team. It is his job to overcome them. i like Zorn and I know his system works, but you have to be able to think quickly on your feet and Jason does not. Its not his fault, we all like him, he just doesn't have it.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM wrote..
"Jason had Gibbs/Saunders for 3 years and showed no major improvement (qb stats)."
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Gibbs and Saunders systems were completely and totally different. And Zorn's system is even more different. This is the first continuity in an offensive philosophy he will have as a starter in his pro career.

Posted by: kingtutts | April 2, 2009 8:45 PM |

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Hey Kingtutts..how come all the opposing team's defensive coordinators figured out Zorn's offense in the first 8 games and JC never did.. haha..
From 6-2 to 2-6..ummm thats learning a system??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

That ended abruptly (and predictably).

Still zero evidence that the Redskins were ever serious about Cutler, but local media got about 12 or 13 hours of non-stop coverage out of this "story," so I guess the advertiser's are happy.

Tomorrow's headline: "Snyder Looking To Trade Stadiums With The Ravens."

Back to reality.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 2, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I think he's plenty smart enough. But he didn't buy the team to turn it over to a professional. He bought it to run it. He's trying to live the Sinatra life "I did it my way." If he can't win his way, then he doesn't want to win at all.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:10 PM
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You have reminded me of another youtube!

My Way, by Sid Vicious
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

'...Glad you asked. Plan B is to trade up and grab Sanchez...'


Before the Cutler trade, this may have been a plan.

But we don't have the chips you need or the players in the fold to make such a thing happen.

Our division foes are loading up on picks and younger players and will draft for need.

Let's copy their plan as each of those teams has had a super bowl run in the past 15 years, and are poised to re-build in ways we are not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm an avid Insider reader, never comment til now. JLC and JR reported the Skins interest, citing "high ranking officials in the organization." The story broke everywhere else, citing the Post. I seriously have to question both reporters' and the Post's legitimacy of breaking said news.

What "official in the organization" would actually break news to these two about a situation which every person in the organization not commenting on??? Doesn't make sense. So one source would risk there job for both Jasons???

I speculate that both Jasons are doing the job their told to do, which is create news. Cite your sources dudes and I'll shut up. Til then . . .

Posted by: jsh79 | April 2, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to sports_guru, btw?

A couple of weeks ago, he lead a 300 post brigade against Campbell, but for some reason today, of all days, he doesn't have time to post?

Maybe he's calling himself something else these days.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:47 PM |

He posted earlier today and contradicted his loathing for Campbell.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

UGGGGH!

First this awful trade talk about losing Jason Campbell and picks for Jay Cutler.. and now this!!

Not a good day to be a Redskins fan!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 10:04 AM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Whoever asked, i have said amny times i will cheer for whomever we end up with on the field, and i do not hate he front office with the vitriol some on here do. I want the team to win and though there are some places where growth can be quick and as of yet could happen like the young WR's, I believe campbell has shown his skill set. Can Zorn find some plays that Campbell can run, probably, but I prefer a QB that can adapt and make all the plays so the whole playbook can be used. Cambell is still making the same mistakes that he made in his first games as a starter. I don't hink he can overcome them and I would rather change it sooner rather than later. I also said i don't think Cutler was the guy and I am glead we didnt throw the whole draft and next years pick at Denver to get him, but simply standing pat and hoping Jason somehow learns to think faster, throw more accurately, look off his primary receiver and make quick check down decisions is not goign to work. it is insane to think he will just all of a sudden be better. We should not have ot have an all pro at every position to be successful or even make the playoffs. We have several all pro players, at least one at each skill position yet we are LAST and we are tired of it. Is that hard to understand? I dont think so.

RB, FB, TE, WR, LT LG all have been all pro's and several of them just his year, yet we still make excuses for the QB. WHY?

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has the head coach, the coaching staff, and players supporting him. But apparently the owner and his butt-buddy do not support him. You heard it here first. This will cause a division in the team and some veteran will lead a revolt against the little JB who owns the team.

Posted by: MKadyman | April 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Danny for screwing your team over again. You tried to trade up from your QB ... couldn't and now you're stuck.

And Campbell .. I think you know all you need to know now. He's OK with it. That's right, your QB is ok with being tossed around like used clothing. Some leader.

As for those of you PLANTS arguing that the Skins never, ever tried to dump Campbell .. you'll have your answer at season's end.

The next season is toast.

How great is this!

Posted by: tslats | April 2, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

it is insane to think he will just all of a sudden be better.

He's gotten better every year.

RB, FB, TE, WR, LT LG all have been all pro's and several of them just his year, yet we still make excuses for the QB. WHY?

Did you watch any Redskins games this year? Jansen was a huge liability in pass protection the first 8 games. After that, the entire O.L. was a huge liability in pass protection.

Did you know a team we played this year dropped 9 players and rushed 2?

And they blew right through our line and got the sack?

You are posting clouds of ignorant words. Give it a rest.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the Skins much improved as a team over 2008. Their AFC schedule is easier, but their NFC schedule is much tougher (the NFC South was the toughest division in football last season). 10 of 16 games come against the 2 toughest divisions in football, 12 games against teams 8-8 or better in 2008. Hopefully we go 2-0 vs StL and Detroit.

On defense, the Skins are better by a little bit. I know Springs, Washington and Taylor all were injured, but when healthy, they did contribute, especially Springs. Evans was our top D lineman and he's gone. Fletcher is a year older and that's not good. Nothing we lost could be considered dramatic, but we lost 4 guys and our terrific MLB is getting to an age where he could start to decline.

On offense, Dockery has replaced Kendall, not a big gain there as Kendall was pretty good. Dockery had a poor year last year, but hopefully that was an aberration.

Otherwise, the rest of the OL got older, which isn't a good thing. No reason to think much will change with Moss, ARE or Cooley. Kelly and Thomas are wild cards with upside and no downside compared to 2008. A second season with the same offense should be helpful and Zorn should be a better coach in year 2.

Depth will be an issue for this team, since we are thinner at several spots than we were last year.

The only obvious change remaining is in the draft. A RT could upgrade the OL or an OLB could upgrade the defense.

Special teams will probably see an improvement in PR and perhaps K and P, just because they really don't have much downside relative to 2008.

As a net, I don't see any reason for this team to be substantially better. We are modestly better against a schedule that is modestly tougher.

My current prediction

In the NFC East 2-4 or 3-3
vs the rest of the NFC 3-3
vs the AFC West 2-2 or 3-1

Forecast: 7-9 to 9-7

Breaking it down by teams, only the jints are clearly better. The Raiders, Chiefs, Lions and StL are clearly worse. I assume we are 3-3 or 4-2 vs those teams.

What's left are 2x dal (9-7) and 2x philly (9-6), Car (12-4), Atl (11-5), Tampa (9-7), NO (8-8), Denver (8-8) and SD (8-8). Somewhere between 3-7 and 6-4 against those teams.

As a group (double counting philly and dal), they were 26 games over .500 in '08. None of those teams are substantially better or worse than the Skins, I'd expect lots of close games from that group. Special teams could have big part in how well the Skins fare here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is it, whenever I think about what used to be my beloved Redskins, all I hear is tinkly circus music?

Posted by: info_stuporhighway | April 2, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

F U Vinny Dan.

Vinny has gone down south on Dan again. I think but don't know that Vinny had the power last year. But Dan signs the checks and things are going from bad to worse. Can you say Jeff George. (yes mark maske Jeff George bi**)

F U Gibbs haters.

F U Jla

F U portis haters

I like puppies.

Posted by: mul123 | April 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So Freddie as I said, if he doesn't win 10 games or have a 63% copmletion rate you are happy to see him go? I am just trying to see what you will be happy with so at the end of the year when we all go through this again we can see what we said. How do you decide how big his contract is if stats are not in it? And if it's such an all for one thing, do we reward all the players based on wins by the team? Or only him. Do we ignore tackles and sacks for the lineman or only wins. i mean you cant really even use points or yardage right because we don't know about injuries. Do we reward good guys and hard work? Hey I work hard can I get a contract?

Come on now, you know better than that. You have to score to win. We were the worst team in the league last year in the red zone. LAST!!! I think 30th in overall scoring. hell i can play QB and be last and i will work for the minimum.

It all sounds very three muskateers and all but it doesn't work that way. he has the ball in his hands every play. He takes the responsibility and has to do something with it on every play. If a WR is taking a play off it is up to him to find another option and take care of the problem later but there are other options. Only one QB though. Is it fair to him? HELL YES ITS FAIR! We are not happy with dink and dump and trick plays. We need efficient drives with good decisions and execution. We have not seen that consistantly since Brad Johnson and Stephen Davis! That team did not have great WR either. Anyway take a stand. It's ok to like him and support him and still make goals and hold him to them. You can't get a feeling or you can make excuses until he is 40. Nothing is ever perfect and there will always be injuries and holes in your team. It is his job to overcome them. i like Zorn and I know his system works, but you have to be able to think quickly on your feet and Jason does not. Its not his fault, we all like him, he just doesn't have it.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Well said...nice post

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Truth is this trade was basically a wash to begin with. Cutler was the risk-taking QB with massive upside to go along with massive bust potential. His physical potential is unmatched by any other QB in the league. However, he is a better QB than Campbell right now.

Campbell was the safer QB who you know is going to make intelligent decisions, be quick against the blitz, avoid mistakes, and step it up in the clutch. His numbers in the 4th quarters of "close" games (defined as 7 pts or less margin) dwarf that of Cutler's. That's a non-negotiable fact. His numbers against the blitz are also better than Cutler's. Another non-negotiable fact. His efficiency in the red zone was better than Cutler. A 3rd non-negotiable fact.

Where Campbell needs to improve is during 4-men rushes or less. This is clearly the deficient aspect of his game. Of course the fact that he was sacked 24 times by a rush of 4-men or less didn't help him out (and is a major argument against the effectiveness of this o-line). You can't pick apart 7 men in coverage when pressure's bearing down on you in split-seconds off the snap. It won't happen. Even Tom Brady during his record-breaking year couldn't do it when Osi, Tuck, and Strahan were breathing down his neck. He only had 5 TDs vs 4 INTs in those situations. Campbell having another year mastering the intricacies in the same system will most certainly help this cause.

All in all, having Campbell here for another season is a good thing. Campbell's numbers are very telling. Everything he's done so far in his career, his consistent progression, his elevation during clutch situations, it all points to something very good in the future.

I'm certainly looking forward to watching him put it all together.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"However, he is a better QB than Campbell right now."

I meant to say "He is not a better QB than Campbell right now."

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Why does no one take Kyle Orton's feeling into consideration?

You are all so cold.

Also what is with the 4 paragraph post up here?

Posted by: mul123 | April 2, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was the safer QB who you know is going to make intelligent decisions, be quick against the blitz, avoid mistakes, and step it up in the clutch. His numbers in the 4th quarters of "close" games (defined as 7 pts or less margin) dwarf that of Cutler's.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

did I miss something the last few years? Since when is JC great in the Clutch? He won one game on a pass that Cooley turned into a long td. Most times Campbells chokes when it's in the clutch.

numbers in the 4th QT? Campbell is one of the worst in the NFL in the 4th QT. His redzone trips are just terrible. These are the things he needs to step up on....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

"numbers in the 4th QT? Campbell is one of the worst in the NFL in the 4th QT. His redzone trips are just terrible. These are the things he needs to step up on...."

Really?

During the 4th quarter of "close" games (7 pts or less margin):

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.6 yards per attempt, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 passer rating

In the Redzone:

32 for 63, 214 yards, 11 TDs, 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating

These are both categorically BETTER than his overall averages, and they're both categorically more efficient than Cutler's stats in both scenarios.

Campbell most definitely steps his game UP in the clutch.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

This whole situation stinks. Too bad we can't trade Dan and Vinny.

This statement say it all!!!

Snyderato Sucks A$$!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | April 2, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

psps23 where are you getting those stats you're referring to?

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a little different than Good Cop/Bad Cop.

I don't think they (FO) would have involved Zorn in the discussion.

That way, Zorn can build a tighter relationship with the team. And they can be united against, well... management. And the rest of the world. It's worked before. It's just not the usual aspect of the NFL today.

Hail Soup
Hail Skins

Let's beat us some cowboys!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, fate saves Snyder from himself (or the ghosts of Skins past?)

No Ocho Stinko.
No Jay Cut-the-cheese
Skins keep draft picks

Zorn and Campbell will get a second year together, and hopefully last year's draft picks will earn their money and get on the field. A little more protection on the O-line (#13 pick) and this offense should be good to go!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Jason Campbell has a not only monster year but takes the skins to the second round of the playoffs that alone should be enough to snyder to give Campbell an extension but then again it's gonna be an extension on Joel Segal and Campbell terms not on snyder and Cerrato because all the leverage they had if it comes down to negotiations they lost that battle you can count on that.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

So Campbell handled it with class and
Cutler did not? No, each played their hands out. Cutler had 10 teams interested in him and at least 3 willing to part with 2 number 1 picks. Campbell couldn't even rank a number 2 pick. This episode not only says what the Redskin brass thinks of JC's future potential, it speaks to how his skills are viewed by the NFL teams as well. Personally, I'm glad the Redskin deal did not materialize, as I believe getting OL help is key for the team right now. AND, I'd like to see Colt get a shot.

Posted by: nomolehill | April 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell couldn't even rank a number 2 pick."

Says who? The Redskins never got Cutler, therefore Campbell never got traded. You have no idea what teams were willing to give up.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks psps23.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that JC could not get mad and demand a trade cause no team wants him as a starter. I like the kid too, he just doesn't have it. Bring on Colt.

Posted by: nomolehill | April 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

PSP23: "Campbell was the safer QB who you know is going to make intelligent decisions, be quick against the blitz, avoid mistakes, and step it up in the clutch. His numbers in the 4th quarters of "close" games (defined as 7 pts or less margin) dwarf that of Cutler's."

psp, what do you mean by numbers in 4th qtrs games decided by 7 or less - games where the lead was 7 or less entering the 4th qtr or games decided by 7 pts or less period?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 2, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

This episode not only says what the Redskin brass thinks of JC's future potential...

... and the Redskin brass has a solid record of proven judgement, right? Witness the record they've accumulated long before the single year they've given Zorn (who has a proven record as a QB coach) to work with JC17 (who's numbers are better than 3 time Pro-Bowler Hasselbeck's when he got started with Zorn).

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Jason already knew a large segment of the Redskin fans did not respect his abilities. Now he also knows the Redskin management and the NFL do not respect his abilities. How is the man going to take this is the question?

Posted by: edeshields | April 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, well. The good news is Jason Campbell will play his butt off, because this is his last year on his contract. Guarantee they will start no one else but Jason, even if Colt blows him away in practice and preseason; Zorn already said that Jason is his man and he is putting his rep on the line. If Jason falls; Zorn will be on the same bus with him.

That is just crazy, Zorn would hang his career on a guy that has not improved or shows any level of motivation what so ever when he is on the bench. Any fool knows that a guy that has one year to prove himself will come out smoking; and that is what zorn is counting on with Jason in his last year on his contract.

I pity Zorn if Jason continues to flop; he will be viewed as a nieve idiot to not put the best guy out there on the field and cost him his job and put Jason ahead of 44 other team members because of political correctness gone bad!

Posted by: wcdun1 | April 2, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

It took Joe Theismann 2 seasons with Gibbs to win a Super Bowl, with a team that did not have super stars....Let's see if Campbell can match with Zorn on his second season under the same system...doubt it!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:48 PM

Didn't have any superstars? Say what?

Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jeff Bostic, Fred Dean, George Stark, Donnie Warren, Art Monk, Charlie Brown, Joe Washington, JOHN RIGGINS.

Any of those names ring a bell?

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

"psp, what do you mean by numbers in 4th qtrs games decided by 7 or less - games where the lead was 7 or less entering the 4th qtr or games decided by 7 pts or less period?

Posted by: learnedhand1"

I'll admit, I'm not 100% sure. I got it from espn.com's season splits. But my best guess would be that these are any passes in the 4th quarter at which point the margin was 7 pts or less, regardless of how the quarter started or how the game ended. I don't think it necessarily counts the entire 4th quarter if the margin ends up growing beyond 7 points.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

where are all the big breasted ladies at?

Posted by: toohoes | April 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I know the young'ns/oldsters who hated on Campbell all day are upset, but think about it this way:

Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Colt Brennan
Brady Quinn?


Those players all stand as options at quarterback should 'Soup' Campbell fail to satisfy.

I know you wanted the guy who now starts for the Chi-Town Bears. But when you watch Bradford/McCoy in action this fall, let your frustration with Campbell be tempered with the fact the team still has it's 1st round pick to claim either one of them.

Or: it slips Colt Brennan into the starting spot and uses that pick on another player.

Or: Campbell has a great year, gets paid, and you post, "See, I told you so..."

'Cuz you know you will.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

For those dogging Zorn, remember that he did pull Matt Hasselbeck in favor of Trent Dilfer during that first year he coached him (which was Hasselbeck's 3rd year in the NFL). But he liked Hasselbeck, and eventually Hasselbeck ended up in 3 Pro Bowls under Zorn.

It took more than 1 year, but he got-r-done.

Zorn apparently also likes JC17 better than Colt, and he's been able to examine both closely. I trust Zorn's judement a lot more than some impatient owner's (with a terrible track record on QBs) or fan's.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 2, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Here comes the new coach with HIS favorite young stud. Cutler is supposed to play the role of the wimp? "No way" says Cutler. Luckily for Cutler he had a track record. He forces the new coach to back off. And he, Cutler,is supposed to be the "heavy" in this scenario? Give us a break! Both Cutler and Jason acted correctly. Also...If Denver didn't have such a terrible defense Cutler wouldn't have had half of those INT's.

Posted by: tashunca | April 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

wcdun1

'...political correctness gone bad...'


What's '...politically correct...' about a team taking the perogative to give a final chance to a player it burnt draft picks to get?

Perhaps you need to correct your own politics.

Moments like this make guys rally around their quarterback, especially if he conducts himself with grace or--to be chauvanistic--like a man.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Boldin? In our division with the jints? Scary....and they have the chips to make it happen:


April 2, 2009
Report: Boldin unsure about '09
Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin told a Miami radio station that he was unsure where he'd be playing in 2009.

"Honestly, I don't know," he told ESPN Radio 760, according to the Miami Herald. "It's at a point right now where there's not any discussion between myself and the team. When something does happen, I'll let my agent take care it."

Boldin has been unhappy with his Cardinals contract and seems to be looking for a way out of Arizona.

With Plaxico Burress' future still in doubt, the Giants are a possible destination.

Boldin told the radio station he "would love to" play for the Dolphins.

"You know, I'm a Florida guy, always will be a Florida guy at heart," he said. "If it happens."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anybody posted yet.

But, Chris Wilson said he has been practicing at SAM and he feels confident he can play it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

That was a close one! Now that thats settled, we need to pick Rey w/ #13.

Posted by: priceisright | April 2, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

With that posted. If Wilson pans out at SAM...

RB or DE with #13...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

These are the FACTS

FACT- Cant win a superbowl with JC17 because he cant make the reads to be a succesful QB, but he is a class act. That doesnt get you crap though.

FACT- Getting Cutler would of cost us to much to win a superbowl because we would of lost to many draft picks where we need to fill holes.

FACT- Colt will never be the answer!

FACT- Cant hate on Snyder for being agressive because he knows we need a franchise QB to win a superbowl. Plus every other fan out there wishes they had a owner like him.

FACT- Until we get a line and a Franchise QB we will never win a Superbowl!

FACT- Look at the last 5 superbowl winners and they all have a Franchise QB!

LAST FACT- Need to draft Mark Sanchez, hes a leader, good arm, good mobility, and he is from USC, where nothing but good QB's come from. Give Campbell one more year, if he sucks, Sanchez steps in.

We dont have a team right now to win it all, but we need to make the necessary steps to make that happpen, and a QB is the right direction, but JC17 and Cutler are not the answers!

Posted by: Justwantasuprebowl | April 2, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Snyder the idiot doesn't get it. You don't need a 4000 yard passer to win super bowl. In Tom Brady's most prolific passing year, his team, which went undefeated in the regular season, lost in the SB. The only SB lost he's had.
Please sell the team or move to another planet.

Posted by: RollyMac | April 2, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"numbers in the 4th QT? Campbell is one of the worst in the NFL in the 4th QT. His redzone trips are just terrible. These are the things he needs to step up on....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009"

Again, what team are you watching again? In the 4th quarter against SF he was the guy who brought them back ... only to have the defense collapse on him in the last minute.

You don't have good stats, you don't have facts ... you wanted a guy with diabetes who might spend the season on the IR ...

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"FACT- Until we get a line and a Franchise QB we will never win a Superbowl!
osted
by: Justwantasuprebowl | April 2, 2009"

FACT: the Redskins have not had even one franchise QB participate in or win a superbowl.

FACT: You're post is inane, inaccurate and just plain stupid.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse


Hey guys - don't follow as close in offseason but this one was hard to miss.

1) JC is an outstanding individual. If he was my kid's teacher I would be psyched. I think he can be a top 1/3 QB. But he isn't yet, and while Matt Ryan or Flacco in a brand new system can take his team quite far after being in the cellar, JC hasn't demonstrated the same spark, and I suspect that mathematically his upside is basically where we are today - stop the Payton comparisons, this guy has had more snaps than Payton before the upside there was clear.

Here is the depressing contrast I take from the failed deal:
-teams willing to part with _2 1st rounders_ for Jay Cutler, who is an Ahole: 4 to 5, including Redskins
-teams willing to part with even 1 2nd rounder for Soups: _Zero_
So while we on RI are all great player personnel guys, it turns out that the real professionals have weighed in quite strongly on this one. Cutler has much more market value, It is not like other GMs have never heard of character issues and will be surprised if Cutler is a jerk, so it is an altogether more depressing assessment by the league of Soups skills.
So yes JC will have a chip on his shoulder and that is better I would guess (the chip will get bigger when Sanchez is drafted at #13). But let's all agree that we are only speculating on upside: GMs around the league have all weighed in that Cutler even with personnel issues is much more valuable than Soups. Hoping that all of these football all the time dudes are wrong but not betting against them, as a number of them (none currently employed or owning the Redskins) have these rings on their fingers.

Also, thanks to FO for turning already fragile situation with Soups into huge MF.

Posted by: zornskins2 | April 2, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

With that posted. If Wilson pans out at SAM...

RB or DE with #13...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009"

LT with #13 if one is available. Looks like there may be with Denver likely drafting Sanchez.

As for Wilson have to wait and see if that carries over into Training camp. They have signed 2 LDE's in Daniels and Wynn. They have not signed a new tackle or guard.

LT or CB with #13


Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Justwantasuprebowl | April 2, 2009 10:53 PM

I'm not sure you know what a "FACT" is (vs. an opinion) This happens a lot on the blog.

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Who on here suggested Chris Wilson at SLB. I just saw on Redskins Nation that hewill begiven some reps at that position during mini camp. Chris looked much more muscular than last year.

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

numbers in the 4th QT? Campbell is one of the worst in the NFL in the 4th QT. His redzone trips are just terrible. These are the things he needs to step up on...."

Really?

During the 4th quarter of "close" games (7 pts or less margin):

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.6 yards per attempt, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 passer rating

In the Redzone:

32 for 63, 214 yards, 11 TDs, 1 INT, 91.5 passer rating

These are both categorically BETTER than his overall averages, and they're both categorically more efficient than Cutler's stats in both scenarios.

Campbell most definitely steps his game UP in the clutch.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

You can't say that is the norm by any means...look at 2007....It's the complete opposite.....So hopefully he can do 2008 numbers consistantly.....Bu to this point...you have to look at the bad with the good cause they are 50% = One year awful...the next good... Not enough time to really claim either way.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8440&sYear=2007

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"numbers in the 4th QT? Campbell is one of the worst in the NFL in the 4th QT. His redzone trips are just terrible. These are the things he needs to step up on....

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009"

Again, what team are you watching again? In the 4th quarter against SF he was the guy who brought them back ... only to have the defense collapse on him in the last minute.

You don't have good stats, you don't have facts ... you wanted a guy with diabetes who might spend the season on the IR ...


Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I just posted stats Jack a $$ i am really getting sick and tired of you coming on this blog like you know everything and everybody else is stupid ...

It's one thing to debate...it's another when you consistantly attack others with insults and an arrogant attitude because people do not agree with you.

Talk facts and state opinions about Skins football. that what the blog is for.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"FACT- Until we get a line and a Franchise QB we will never win a Superbowl!
osted
by: Justwantasuprebowl | April 2, 2009"

FACT: the Redskins have not had even one franchise QB participate in or win a superbowl.

FACT: You're post is inane, inaccurate and just plain stupid.

Posted by: periculum | April 2, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

this crap is uncalled for...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

It took Joe Theismann 2 seasons with Gibbs to win a Super Bowl, with a team that did not have super stars....Let's see if Campbell can match with Zorn on his second season under the same system...doubt it!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life | April 2, 2009 8:48 PM

Didn't have any superstars? Say what?

Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jeff Bostic, Fred Dean, George Stark, Donnie Warren, Art Monk, Charlie Brown, Joe Washington, JOHN RIGGINS.

Any of those names ring a bell?

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

You missed some earlier posts where it was first stated JT HELPED get etc etc etc

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Didn't have any superstars? Say what?

Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm, Jeff Bostic, Fred Dean, George Stark, Donnie Warren, Art Monk, Charlie Brown, Joe Washington, JOHN RIGGINS.

Any of those names ring a bell?

Posted by: edvar | April 2, 2009 10:29 PM | Report
Sorry mis read what you wrote...Well actually at the time in 82 they were not super stars...most were cast offs nobody wanted...but the stars sure did line up didn't they :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure how the FO exploring a trade for a young pro bowl QB that another team felt was worth two 1st a 3rd and a player means that they don't like the current QB. It is the FO responsibility to do whatever they can to upgrade the team. If they felt Cutler was an upgrade at QB they should at least explore the option. I think Campbell will be a very good QB but what has he done that should make him be considered trade proof?

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's one for the wiki, let's see where you stand. Put it down for posterity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope the people who are saying the FO dissed Campbell by exploring a trade are not the same ones who have been advocating trading Rogers, Betts, Portis and others. Based on the opinions on the Blog I guess the FO should never consider trading anyone because it might hurt their feelings.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"You can't say that is the norm by any means...look at 2007....It's the complete opposite.....So hopefully he can do 2008 numbers consistantly.....Bu to this point...you have to look at the bad with the good cause they are 50% = One year awful...the next good... Not enough time to really claim either way.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8440&sYear=2007

Posted by: leevi98"

Wouldn't you say that his improvement from 2007 to 2008 in those categories is reason for optimism? Surely he wasn't expected to be great in those categories in his first full year as a starter.

Nobody is saying Campbell is 100% proven. But if his progression from season to season is any indication, things are looking very good for him.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Talk facts and state opinions about Skins football. that what the blog is for.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:12 PM |
============================================
Fine. You got anything besides "I HATE CAMPBELL AND I WANT SHINY NEW TOY!!!11!"?

Because that's all you've been posting, and it's old.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

You can't say that is the norm by any means...look at 2007....It's the complete opposite.....So hopefully he can do 2008 numbers consistantly.....Bu to this point...you have to look at the bad with the good cause they are 50% = One year awful...the next good... Not enough time to really claim either way.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8440&sYear=2007

Posted by: leevi98"

Wouldn't you say that his improvement from 2007 to 2008 in those categories is reason for optimism? Surely he wasn't expected to be great in those categories in his first full year as a starter.

Nobody is saying Campbell is 100% proven. But if his progression from season to season is any indication, things are looking very good for him.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah definitely an improvement...I'm just saying he needs to do this consistantly and thus far he has not...Menaing you take the good with the bad...Right now he is 50/50

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

'...But, Chris Wilson said he has been practicing at SAM and he feels confident he can play it....'

Now that's what I'm saying.

Put some of the young'ns on the roster to work doing something other than special teams.

Let Wilson just work on run support with limited coverage responsiblities.

That's how the stillers' James Harrison found his game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Talk facts and state opinions about Skins football. that what the blog is for.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:12 PM |
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Fine. You got anything besides "I HATE CAMPBELL AND I WANT SHINY NEW TOY!!!11!"?

Because that's all you've been posting, and it's old.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Well that's not all i have been posting and we do talk alot about a subject when we are debating or chatting back and forth about a subject...If I am wrong for doing that...then you must yell at everyone don't ya think? Anyway...if you don't like my posts...don't read them :)

Moving on

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

For those that missed it -- a perfect summary of recent events at Redskins Park:

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=1246

click on the figure in the upper right

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Talk facts and state opinions about Skins football. that what the blog is for.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:12 PM |
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Fine. You got anything besides "I HATE CAMPBELL AND I WANT SHINY NEW TOY!!!11!"?

Because that's all you've been posting, and it's old.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse


Adding more to your comment...Don't put words in my mouth...I never said "I hate Campbell" Nor did I say "Iwant a shiny new toy."

i only stated I thought Cutler was a better Qb thus far in his career thant Campbell......

Did I want Cutler..sure I did....So what is it to you?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

lifelongfan

'...I hope the people who are saying the FO dissed Campbell by exploring a trade...'

It's not quite exactly a 'dis,' kind sir.

It's more like taking a girl out on a date and asking some chick you see along the way to the movies if she'd prefer to ride with you as the one you're with doesn't satisfy.

And when she says, "No," you go back to the 1st girl and try to make nice....knowing all she wants to do is cut your you-know-what's-off with a dull knife.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! What do you EXPECT Zorn to say? He doesn't have a choice to be behind him and for him to be their QB because they couldn't work the deal.

I will say it is interesting that ESPN is not at Campbells house asking him all kinds of questions. lol

I guess tomorrow they will provide us yet another report on T.O. right? lol

Posted by: bbg_isback | April 2, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow just read some recent posts...

And so I ask, are me, Beans and Flounder the only nice guys left?

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

i only stated I thought Cutler was a better Qb thus far in his career thant Campbell......

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:31 PM |
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Fifteen million whiney-@ssed beach times over, you stated...

Get some new material. Go be a Bears fan. Do anything besides make this blog s*ck more.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

dbrine1261.....I could not have put it any better...thank you for the comment...as I said before...Colt time...he cannot do any worse, and from what I can remeber he is more accurate and a much quicker release than Jason will ever be. As a fan I am tired of the same old crap!!!!!

Posted by: Redskinfan4life

And don't forget his Gun for an arm. Actually, it's a Derringer

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow just read some recent posts...

And so I ask, are me, Beans and Flounder the only nice guys left?

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 11:34 PM

I almost laughed at that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Remember the plot of the movie Major League?
A team that has sucked for many years has a coach/manager who supports the group of average players, but the evil owner is just in it for money.
The team is united with their anger toward the owner and they rally together to have a great season.

This was Snyder's plan all along, folks. He is recreating his favorite baseball movie in the NFL!

Zorn supported Campbell, Snyder wanted to get rid of him. The team will unite against Snyder and rally together and win the division.

... and you guys give Snyder a hard time for his Hollywood fetish! Shame on you.

Posted by: jgarrisn | April 2, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Remember the plot of the movie Major League?
A team that has sucked for many years has a coach/manager who supports the group of average players, but the evil owner is just in it for money.
The team is united with their anger toward the owner and they rally together to have a great season.

This was Snyder's plan all along, folks. He is recreating his favorite baseball movie in the NFL!

Zorn supported Campbell, Snyder wanted to get rid of him. The team will unite against Snyder and rally together and win the division.

... and you guys give Snyder a hard time for his Hollywood fetish! Shame on you.

Posted by: jgarrisn | April 2, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow just read some recent posts...

And so I ask, are me, Beans and Flounder the only nice guys left?

Posted by: TheCork | April 2, 2009 11:34 PM | =========================================
Go figure.

I can read this blog all day, but can only post when I'm home.

Illegitimi non carborundum, is the pig-latin phrase. But sometimes, they do.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Now that this is over. How about picking like this: Offensive linemen, Offensive lineman, Offensive lineman, Offensive linemen One of them should pan out

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | April 2, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks cork but once again I must say that i absolutely donot like Colt Brennan. he built his rep against 2nd class competition and each time he had to play in a big bowl or the Senior Bowl, he looked like garbage. In preseason he made plays against guys who didn't even make their teams in garbage time and though he did make some plays, he threw off the wrong foot, off balance, and low. You can't do that against the big boys. He does not have a strong arm, though he does throw a pretty ball, he does not have the strength to throw the sideline out and that spells disaster. When he drops back he looks like he is falling down already. He was accurate in college but again he had all day and until his bowl game he through against exactly one CB that got drafted in the NFL. And without hardly playing last year somhow still needed a knee operation? I sure don't have the answer, but unless he is really getting coached up and most of his mechanics are changed, he is not it either I don't think. I do think it will take an injury to get Campbell out of the game because as has been pointed out he is in the tank with Campbell and if one fails they both so and may both be gone. Can you say Bill Cowher?

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say "off the wrong foot, off balance, and low arm trajectory, almost side arm which will not.....

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 3, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Remember the plot of the movie Major League?
A team that has sucked for many years has a coach/manager who supports the group of average players, but the evil owner is just in it for money.
The team is united with their anger toward the owner and they rally together to have a great season.

This was Snyder's plan all along, folks. He is recreating his favorite baseball movie in the NFL!

Zorn supported Campbell, Snyder wanted to get rid of him. The team will unite against Snyder and rally together and win the division.

... and you guys give Snyder a hard time for his Hollywood fetish! Shame on you.

Posted by: jgarrisn | April 2, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't think they'll be stripping a cardboard cutout of Snyder down to a bikini for motivation tho' Just sayin.

Posted by: skinswest | April 3, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

We the fans should launch a Landover Tea Party, carry Danny Boy (not Vinny the Stooge) over the DC line and dump him into the Potomac. Preferably in the early morning hour when the water is the coldest.

Let them send in the police. Let them send in the National Guard. Or we will forever be the butt of jokes from Dallas, Philadelphia, NYC and beyond--as long as we have Danny Boy the owner of the team.

Posted by: newwebid | April 3, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

newwebid, seems to me the easiest way to get Dan Snyder into the Potomac would be to get a few Redskins fans to stand on the shore by his house -- he has an unobstructed view of the river, I understand -- throwing their money into the water. Irresistible.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 3, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Sorry mis read what you wrote...Well actually at the time in 82 they were not super stars...most were cast offs nobody wanted...but the stars sure did line up didn't they :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 2, 2009 11:18 PM

I think Riggins was pretty much a star by then. I remember Joe begging him to come back.

The other guys, I dunno, when does someone become a star? That's actually a pretty interesting question.

Posted by: edvar | April 3, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Here's some real stats for you, Campbell Fans....

Most Pass TD in 4th Quarter
2008 Season

Philip Rivers, SD 12
Jay Cutler, DEN 11
Drew Brees, NO 10

Fewest 25+ Yd Pass Plays
2008 NFL Season

Bengals 9
Browns 11
Seahawks 17
Bills 17
Redskins 19

In case you're wondering, Cutler had 29 of these plays..good for 7th best in the league

Posted by: ksan | April 3, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

we should seriously all go to redskins park for preseason and root J Campbell on and give him our undying faith... this guy is winner... i am happier than ever to have him as our QB...

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 3, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse


Here's some real stats for you, Campbell Fans....

Most Pass TD in 4th Quarter
2008 Season

Philip Rivers, SD 12
Jay Cutler, DEN 11
Drew Brees, NO 10

Fewest 25+ Yd Pass Plays
2008 NFL Season

Bengals 9
Browns 11
Seahawks 17
Bills 17
Redskins 19

In case you're wondering, Cutler had 29 of these plays..good for 7th best in the league

Posted by: ksan

You want to throw in the INT numbers? You know, to get a fuller picture.

Then you want to look at the defenses that Cutler lit up? Bottom 10 in the league.

You want to look at the defenses Campbell played against? Half of his games came against the leagues top 8 defenses. How many of those did Cutler face? ZERO.

Its OK to put stats up to make a point. But sometimes its useful to look at the whole picture.

Cutler threw deep and got bigger plays. He also tossed 3x more INTs than Campbell. Cutler played much softer defenses. Much much softer.

Reality is that Cutler did not outperform Campbell in 2008. They had almost identical QB ratings, though Campbell played with a poorer OL, poorer WRs and against much tougher defenses.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 3, 2009 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Is there a more clownish duo in the NFL than Snyder and Cerrato? Bufoons.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 3, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

zcezcet1: "Cutler threw deep and got bigger plays. He also tossed 3x more INTs than Campbell. Cutler played much softer defenses. Much much softer.Reality is that Cutler did not outperform Campbell in 2008. They had almost identical QB ratings, though Campbell played with a poorer OL, poorer WRs and against much tougher defenses."

It's really difficult to compare QBs across a season, even more so career vs career. The strength of the schedule is a big variable, as the writer says. So is the quality of the protection and he receivers. But just as you can't justify Cutler as a better qb because he threw more TD passes, you can't justify Campbell as superior because he played against better defenses.

The biggest problem, and one that doesn't get mentioned here, is that the two QBs are asked to do different things in the offensive scheme.

In a vast overcimplification, here's what I see as a big difference: Jason wasn't asked to win games with his passing, and Cutler was.

Partly that's due to supporting cast. But for the most part, it's because of the type of QB that each is. Cutler gambles, creates opportunities, throws deep with great skill. The best comparison is the young Brett Favre. Campbell throws underneath very accurately, stays in the pocket, manages the game within the system. Comparison: a poor man's Troy Aikman.

Doesn't matter if their QB ratings were identical to two decimal points, they're very different players, and therefore hard to compare.

Which

Posted by: Samson151 | April 3, 2009 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what was the final package the skins offered Denver? Did we get to the point of 2 1sts and Campbell? If we did, I can't see how they would choose Orton over Soups.

Either way, I guess it doesn't mater anymore. Soups might get a little better, but we will still lack the big plays because he won't take chances. At best we will end up 10-6, and thats only if Portis stays healthy and our D plays lights out.

Considering how Portis never stays healthy and how we have no depth at LB, CB, S, and the DL, it might be safe to say that we will be staring at another 8-8 season that basks in the warm and familiar glow of mediocrity.

Posted by: scotchirishprince | April 3, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Cutler is a cry baby anyway. Jason, show him how you handle trade rumors. Good riddance Cutler. Hope you enjoy having average receivers to throw to. No Brandon Marshall on that team.

Posted by: jp9773 | April 3, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Don't be too harsh. Its not like we have WR's that are that much better than what the Bears have. ARE is a No. 3 slot at best, which is where Moss should be playing, since he is small and fast. We have no legitimate no 1 or no 2 WR. Maybe Thomas and Kelly will be great this ear, but if not we are in trouble.

Posted by: scotchirishprince | April 3, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 3, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Is there a more clownish duo in the NFL than Snyder and Cerrato? Bufoons.

Posted by: ridgely1 | April 3, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Duo, thats tough. I mean in Dallas and Oakland and Detroit they have dummy Owners but lack a Vinny I would say when Millen was in Det.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 3, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

This was posted at the end of a thread 5-6 threads ago. Its worth reading. http://mondote11.blogspot.com/2009/04/jay-cutler-to-skins.html

Just posting the stats go to that guys blog for opinion:

Jay Cutler:
average rank of defense faced: 19.875
qb rating: 87.15
tds: 25
ints: 18

Jason Campbell:
average rank of defense faced: 12.9375
qb rating: 85.97
tds: 13
ints: 6


Jay Cutler:
Top 5 Games
Avg Defense: 20.8
Avg QB Rating: 112.82
Bottom 5 games
Avg Defense: 17.4
Avg QB Rating: 63.82

Jason Campbell:
Top 5 games
Avg Defense: 18.2
Avg QB Rating: 109.82
Bottom 5 games
Avg Defense: 3.4
Avg QB Rating: 63.12

Posted by: alex35332 | April 3, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Well I wish we had gotten Cutler but you have to say that JC has more class than most. Snyderato mishandled it again, what a bunch of buffoons.

Posted by: Gweez | April 3, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

From Espn.com

"I think to call it a once-in-a-lifetime deal is probably [overstatement]," said a personnel man from one of the several franchises that bid for Cutler's services but lost him to the Bears. "But once in a generation? Yeah, probably so. It's tough enough to find a [good] backup quarterback out there. So you can see how rare it is that a guy like Cutler, somebody with his credentials, would be on the market."

Wonder if the same would have been said if the Skins would have gotten him. And one what the hell has he done! He doesn't have a winning record as a starter or playoff wins.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 3, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if anybody posted yet.

But, Chris Wilson said he has been practicing at SAM and he feels confident he can play it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 10:49 PM |

4th,

Thanks finally a post worth responding to, I would love to see him switched to SAM full time.

He has the size and speed, he would have to work on coverage but I think he could do it.

I hope we can get off the JC thing today, I saw Clayton on ESPN this morning, and he was saying Chicago was where Cutler wanted to go because he is from there. He said he is not sure how much interest the Skins really had.

The sh!t is over woth so lets move on to the draft, I still think O-Line or trade back if possible. If the top T's are gone I think you go DE, if you think Wilson can handle the SAM spot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 3, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

And know that he has to learn a new system. If he doesn't have a good year I don't want to hear sht from people that this is his first year in the system. If you don't want to accept JC learning a new system every year you damn sure better not accept him learning a new one.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 3, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

"I don't know if anybody posted yet.

But, Chris Wilson said he has been practicing at SAM and he feels confident he can play it...."

That's the best news I've heard about the Skins since...well, them not giving up two 1st rounders for Cutler.

Time to give the younger guys a shot to step up. Wilson may have the athleticism to compete at SAM, which would be a great lift to the team.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 3, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Thank god this is over with. JC will be the SOUPerman next year.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 3, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 3, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

This was posted at the end of a thread 5-6 threads ago. Its worth reading. http://mondote11.blogspot.com/2009/04/jay-cutler-to-skins.html

Just posting the stats go to that guys blog for opinion:

Jay Cutler:
average rank of defense faced: 19.875
qb rating: 87.15
tds: 25
ints: 18

Jason Campbell:
average rank of defense faced: 12.9375
qb rating: 85.97
tds: 13
ints: 6


Jay Cutler:
Top 5 Games
Avg Defense: 20.8
Avg QB Rating: 112.82
Bottom 5 games
Avg Defense: 17.4
Avg QB Rating: 63.82

Jason Campbell:
Top 5 games
Avg Defense: 18.2
Avg QB Rating: 109.82
Bottom 5 games
Avg Defense: 3.4
Avg QB Rating: 63.12


Posted by: alex35332 | April 3, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

AMEN! Campbell's bottom 5 games = Cutler's bottom 5 games EXCEPT Campbell's bottom five were against great defenses and Cutler's were against mediocre defenses. Cutler had to face the "monsters" that were KC (with less than 15 sacks all season), Oakland, and SD (the only one of the 4 AFC West defenses not ranked below 23rd) 2 times a year. He faced them with much better receivers and a much better oline. It's not like Jason Campbell had to play 2 top 6 D's twice a year in Philly and New York. Wait didn't he go 2-2 in those games?

All things have to be put in perspective. Is Campbell a better QB? Probably not. But is 2 number 1's a number 3 and Campbell worth for an alcoholic Cutler and a 5th when Denver won't even throw in any Pampers Cruisers, a bib, and a rattle for Cutler? No. That is why everybody should sigh a big sigh of relief. Snyder needs to take a vacation from March until June every year and they should hide his cell phone. That way we can actually get about team building.

Posted by: moosepod | April 3, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I love JC as a person, and he could be a good serviceable QB in this league, but he will never be a playmaker in the league. Cutler on the other hand has swager and leadership capabilities on the field that he can take a team on his back and win.

Chichago is going to be force to deal with next year.

Posted by: capitolteacher | April 3, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Colt McCoy Colt Brennan Brady Quinn? Those players all stand as options at quarterback should 'Soup' Campbell fail to satisfy."

Am I alone in finding that group somewhat underwhelming? I don't see an NFL ready QB in the bunch.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 3, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I was NOT a Campbell fan before, but find it EXTREMELY hard to not root for this guy now.
Talk about a class act: obviously his parents did something good with him. Hats off to Jason!!! I'm rooting for you!!! Synder and Cerrato, well enough has already been said, therefore, no need for me to chime-in.

Posted by: grbh221 | April 3, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Cant take this owner and GM anymore !!! HAAAAA !!! Why dont these clowns learn from their mastakes, thickheaded idiots! More lost draft picks for the same quality QB? Thank god this didnt happen. Campbell doesnt deserve this. I hope he screws them over after next season.

Posted by: FLskins76 | April 3, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Dan/Vin:The quarterback that you two idiots did not want, and disrespected has more class in in his pinky toe than both of you combined have in your worthless bodies. Redskin fans already knew that you were clueless on how to run a sports franchise, but now you have added classles to the pot. You two idiots should be on the phone thanking Jason Campbells mother for what she has instilled in him. I hope the two of you have been listening to the man say nothing but all the right things aboput an organization that has truly showed no respect for him. Do you honestly think that Jay Cutler would have done that? Yeah i know it is a business but it is about how you run your business which explains why we are and will forever be in football hell as long as Dan/Vin are running this team.

Posted by: stealthcopter1 | April 3, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

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