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Campbell Unconcerned about Close Games

Jason Reid reports:

Despite being 6-2 at the midpoint of their schedule, the Washington Redskins have no victories of more than seven points. But that's not a problem, quarterback Jason Campbell said.

"This is not high school and it's not college," he said. "Each and every week, any given team can beat you on any given Sunday. It's all about going out and getting a 'W.' Whether you win by one point or whether you win [by] 10 to 15, at the end of the day it still shows up as the same, 'W,' no matter how you get it. We just have to continue to understand that winning in the NFL is not easy.

"Of course, you'd like to go out, score 35, score 40 points, [but] I don't think anyone really gave us a chance to move the ball the way we're doing it right now early on in the season. It's good to know that we've got a lot of room for improvement. It's good to hear my teammates say that they feel we can do a lot better. That goes to show you that we're not getting complacent with the way that we're playing."

By Cindy Boren  |  October 27, 2008; 3:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Didn't we win by 8 yesterday?

Posted by: NickelsLuvsSkins | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

First = Power Rankings....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

#2

Get it?......

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, thanks to you and the gang for all the updates. I know there are a lot of complaints down here, but you guys spoil us.

Not getting complacent, staying medium, with maps.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I was watching the game online, but the video stream chose that moment to re-buffer, and I missed that play. Seems like we lost 2 yards on that play, but I never learned how.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 27, 2008 3:33 PM |


How/where do you watch games online?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 27, 2008 3:38 PM

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 27, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

this Pittsburgh game feels a lot like the dallas game did earlier in the season. Lots of folks up here being fearful of the other team. A tough opponent, but a very winnable game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 27, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

pOOPY;

iT IS all file sharing. You can do Bit Torrent downloads, or pay to stream.

Both have questionable legal status.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla,
We ran a QB option play were JC ended up keeping the ball running to his left and getting stuffed for a 2 yard losss. Cant say if it was a designed QB option run or if he optioned to run as opposed to hand off/pass. Anyways bad play calling we dont need to run that CP26 is good from a yard out all day. Save that for a situation where we could actually use it when it may be effective, ie a suprise, no need to go out with smoke and mirrors against that D.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM |

Zorn said on his presser that JC missed that handoff. Should have been CP running that ball.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Poopy,

we know, and we're not telling...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

We just won by 8 points, Mr. Journalist.

Posted by: Wittan | October 27, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

zEESE;

yOU MADE A GOOD POINT ON THE LAST THREAD... rED zONE TO COOLEY. Danm caps lock,... A stop pattern two yards deep would be ideal.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Math is tough. Alex misses his date by 200 years and Jason Reid can't figure out that 8 points is more than 7.

Hmmm.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 27, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

How/where do you watch games online?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 27, 2008 3:38 PM

This site streams NFL games (and other sports). Does not always stream the Skins game, but the last two weeks it did. And it's free:

http://www.channelsurfing.net/

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell says we don't need to win games by 30 or 40 points. He also says it's the NFL and games are typically going to be close. UH OH, so does this mean were not going to go to the BCS national championship?? Who do you Skins faithful think were going to play, texas or Alabama?

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

25 - 17 = 8 (-ish)

Posted by: bmo63 | October 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Jason Campbell hates the redskins.

Caps=first=power rankings.

Posted by: Gweez | October 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Stu,
I think that the reason they ran that weird play was due to the 15script. IMHO I think this first 15 scripted plays idea is great but when in the red zone the team needs to pause the script and go with what they got to do for the end zone. No fun fancy stuff. but pound it or throw to Cooley.
That said I dunno if thats what they do for sure.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

8 point is still one score. And we needed a defensvie stop.

426 some odd yards on offense, and 2 fg's on our only two trips to the red zone aint very impressive.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Scriting the first 15 plays is completely pointless. I dont care who has employed that or how effective they were with it. Why would you limit your gameplan like that, and if that was one of the scripted plays then why? That play was a bad call and we could have done a lot better with a simpler play, im thinkin running CP through their weak line.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

It was recently brought to my attention that JC mishandeled the snap or somethin so whatevs.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should have asked LaCanfora what are BCS ranking is. He seems to know the formula that blowing teams out makes you great.

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that played sports knows that even if you are playing lower competition, and you win a close game, that's not a bad thing at all. It doesn't really enter your mind the way all yall up here make it sound.

Winning games is really all that matters at the end of the day, and people who think a team isn't impressive because they haven't blown out someone by 28 points...well, that's just silly really.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11: THANK YOU!!!

Finally some sense from a fan, much appreciated!!

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

That should say 426 some odd yards and only 25 points...

and CJ, the score is not what peeps have been discussing here, it was the penalties, and letting a bad team hang around, not scoring in the redzone. These are all legitimate concerns when you have a lot better teams than the 0-7 Lions.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

8 point is still one score. And we needed a defensvie stop.

426 some odd yards on offense, and 2 fg's on our only two trips to the red zone aint very impressive.

Posted by: Zeebs
Looks good in the fantasy stats though.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will need to start converting all of this yardage into points or it'll bite 'em just like it did against the Rams.

And math isn't all that difficult, 25-17 is always 8.

And the play that looked like JC ran an option was called to be a handoff to Portis but JC screwed it up, Zorn said there was another one that in the RedZone that JC also screwed up on that opening series. That kind of thing will happen from time to time, but JC needs to show his teammates how to get things done, and that wasn't it.

It ended up as a win, and that's the most important part, but there is much they can do to be a lot better.

Posted by: craig2 | October 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Scriting the first 15 plays is completely pointless. I dont care who has employed that or how effective they were with it. Why would you limit your gameplan like that, and if that was one of the scripted plays then why? That play was a bad call and we could have done a lot better with a simpler play, im thinkin running CP through their weak line.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 3:49 PM

They 15 plays are situation specific. Its not play 1 thru play 15 in order.

As for the value of it, I'm guessing its because it worked so well for the guy who first did it -- as in 5 Super Bowl rings -- Bill Walsh

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Look, im not saying I am unhappy that we won the game, more like, thank god we were playing a shtity team. We had two really great plays, both TD's with Santana... other than that, we moved up and down the field but couldnt finish... just like years past.

We need to get some things cleaned up before Pittsburg.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm no mathematician, but didn't the Skins win by eight points yesterday?

And the stat that they haven't won by double-digits is a bit misleading: the Cowboys tacked on a meaningless garbage-time score to make the Dallas game look more competitive than it was (because it wasn't). And the Redskins spotted the Eagles two touchdowns before utterly dominating the last three-and-a-half quarters of that game.

Sure, there's something to be said for blowing the doors off an opponent and walking away with a huge margin of victory: it allows you to salt away the game and take fewer risks down the stretch, it's less stressful, etc. But the numbers, in this case, are a little deceiving. In any event a seven- or eight-point victory is nothing to shrug at.

Posted by: manalive | October 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"TheTruth11: THANK YOU!!!

Finally some sense from a fan, much appreciated!!

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 3:55 PM"

The Truth isn't just a cool nickname, it's a way of life, and I live it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

truth11, I don't care how you live your life, but you made an intelligent comment

I guess that means you never lie, huh???

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Tell me, how did everyone feel after the first half was over yesterday? Did you feel concerned?

I sure as heck did. And two beastly plays by Moss in the 2nd didnt change that.

As Zorn said, we have yet to play 4 full quarters of good football. I want the Superbowl, and we need to do that to advance in the playoffs.

Maybe we dont do it until the playoffs (aka Gmen) but that isnt the norm. Most teams dont turn it on only during the playoffs.

I want a home playoff game, with a bye week.

Nothing I saw yesterday gave me much confidence it would happen.

We won, great. Now we need to win better, more convincingly, and not let the lesser teams hang around.

its calling playing to the level of your competition and i hate it!

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the score or whatever. The things I am upset about were the two fumbles and stupid penalties. Football fundementals can never be forgotten. Heyer, I forgive him, he did not have any time to get ready for the game, did not think he was playing till after he got suited up.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

anyone know what the NFL Network has chosen to replay for games this week?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

gREG;

I highly doubt it will be ours...

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

So Zeebs, if we beat Pittsburgh by 40, do you think we can overtake Texas in the BCS?? I sure hope we can.

And by the way, yeah, Zorn and Blache weren't pleased, but they are coaches. Coaches are never satisfied, and coaches are not outsiders looking in. It is there to motivate players and keep the players hungry. As fans/ analysts, that's not our job. We have the right to be realists and be satisfied. And FYI, Blache was really the only one who was "not satisfied".

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

They 15 plays are situation specific. Its not play 1 thru play 15 in order.

As for the value of it, I'm guessing its because it worked so well for the guy who first did it -- as in 5 Super Bowl rings -- Bill Walsh

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 27, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Really, well then nevermind i figured wed be throwing deep balls on 2nd and 1 cause it was scripted. BTW this team dosent run the WCO thats why i said i could care less who has employed it in the past, its not for the redskins.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

+++Moss is also a unique talent - the team's only touchdown threat this season in the passing game, with little depth at receiver - and has a long history of hamstring problems. +++


Hey Vinny Fans.

Wouldn't DeSean Jackson, Avery, or Eddie Royal look good in the old Maroon and Gold now....

Instead, your man drafted "DNP-Injured" Kelly, "One Catch Every Other Game" Thomas and "MIA" Davis.

Yeah, sure, down the road...blah blah blah. With Moss chronic Hammie acting up again, the skins need a deep threat NOW...and failed to draft or acquire one otherwise.

Posted by: TheCork | October 27, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

1987, was just like this - we lost a couple of games that we should have won, to the Rams, and I think the Eagles, and really would not have made the playoffs except for the plucky group of replacement players, quarterbacked by Keanu Reeves.

However, Gibbs turned the team over to Doug Williams for the playoffs, Timmy Smith got hot, and the defense stiffened up in Chicago. We got a break when the Vikings beat the 49ers in SFO and played the championship game at RFK.

This is to say, there are many ways to get to the Super Bowl. Some are less stressful than others. Let's just hope we have a good run at it.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I would be shocked if they replay that game, simply because it was a blackout game.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

No NFL Network on NYC Time Warner Cable=power rankings

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

just looking at the stats. Devin Thomas, one catch, one missed tackle. Fortunately, the missed tackle was on Santana, not one of the Lions

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 27, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Vinny Fans.

Wouldn't DeSean Jackson, Avery, or Eddie Royal look good in the old Maroon and Gold now....

Instead, your man drafted "DNP-Injured" Kelly, "One Catch Every Other Game" Thomas and "MIA" Davis.

Yeah, sure, down the road...blah blah blah. With Moss chronic Hammie acting up again, the skins need a deep threat NOW...and failed to draft or acquire one otherwise.

Posted by: TheCork"

Honestly I hate to be logical and use common sense, but why not wait until Devin Thomas is needed to make that judgement? All the players you listed were needed just like Devin Thomas MIGHT be needed to step up if Santana goes down.

You're a Negative Nancy!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

TheCork: I'm sure you've heard this before. Bad teams draft for THE PRESENT, good teams draft for the FUTURE. The Skins did exactly that. Vinny made the right calls. Thomas will be very good, and no one could have guessed Kelly would not be healthy. Avery and Jackson went to non-playoff teams with horrible receivers. Think about it. It is not Vinny's fault.

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

My job as a fan is to root for my team. I guarantee you when I am at games, I am never quiet when the defense is on the field.

I dont really understand where you get off making that determination.

But whatever, your BCS line is tired. you can be happy with how we played, but 'real' people who know football know we are playing nearly as well as we should be and could be.

And i wont be satisfied until we are...

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

+++Look, I'm no mathematician, but didn't the Skins win by eight points yesterday?+++


Yeah, sure, but only in Base Ten.

Posted by: TheCork | October 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

keep beating that dust corky.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

To me, the Skins are their biggest opponents on these close games. Seems like when we don't go to a soft D to end a half we make silly mistakes at the wrong time. Skins need to focus on what they are doing on the field to hurt themselves, ie penalties, and turnovers.

I would love to see Blache stay aggressive throughout the game but I do not think that we have been beat by any team to this point of the season, except perhaps the jints game. But offensively we are a different team than the one that started the season against the jints.

The Skins are doing a good job of beating themselves more than other teams are beating them.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Having no idea what people are talking about when they keep mentioning 'power rankings' = confusion

Posted by: Redcoat | October 27, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

THAT SHOULD SAY ARENT PLAYING AS WELL

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Being so shot away that you've forgotten that when you get to the hole you run through it = Shaun Alexander

Is this how it works?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 27, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Ah "the replacements". that movie would have been 50x more successful if the NFL gave them the rights to use NFL names & logos and real historical accurate stuff and made a great movie. But they didn't and rather they went with a fake team and fake everything else, despite the fact that you could tell what the script was supposted to be about. Thus the movie bombed. Almost as odd as Any Given Sunday, which was a "what if the USFL survived" thing. I hate these movies about "pro" football with no NFL because the leage won't give rights. Maybe now that Danny S is in the movie biz we can get a "replacements" reboot.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey Redcoat, congrats of The Fins, they def are playing more spirited football and most be much more fun to watch....

egomanical angel Beantown Greg established tha power rankings are lame, those "power rankings=x" equation.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

What cj658 said about Monday Morning H-Back:

"... He completely bashed the Skins in his H-Back segment, and said they would have lost to any other team with the performance they gave against Detroit. So Campbell throws for 328, completes 80% of his passes, CP goes for 125, and S. Moss goes for 140, but according to LaCanfora that's not good enough. ... DID YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY READ HIS "MONDAY MORNING H-BACK"?

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 2:12 PM


What Jasno actually wrote:

" ... Santana Moss's individual brilliance, coupled with what was essentially a statistically perfect outing from Jason Campbell, was enough to overcome the collective malaise. ..."

" ... As for the game itself, I thought that Zorn was just being Zorn in the sideline thing with Portis. That's who he is and I think it was great of him to seize the moment and express how he feels. And I also think it's hardly that big a deal and is the kind of thing that happens all the time in this league. ...

The question is about who ACTUALLY READ the Monday Morning H-Back thread.

[Also, to 4th Floor, he's not carrying your water ... he has a monthly visitor coming and he just bloats up like that around now.]

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

'Thomas will be very good, and no one could have guessed Kelly would not be healthy.'

Hmmm, so you can see the future and ignore the past... good qualities to have.

People passed on Kelly because of injury concerns... so you are wrong there.

I do agree it is too early to say drafting Thomas was wrong... but it is way too early to say he will be good.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"My job as a fan is to root for my team. I guarantee you when I am at games, I am never quiet when the defense is on the field.

I dont really understand where you get off making that determination.

But whatever, your BCS line is tired. you can be happy with how we played, but 'real' people who know football know we are playing nearly as well as we should be and could be.

And i wont be satisfied until we are...

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:15 PM "

what if we win every game for the rest of the year like we won yesterday? Will you still be complaining?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I mean thus, not those

my typing=power rankings

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

and no one could have guessed Kelly would not be healthy. Avery and Jackson went to non-playoff teams with horrible receivers. Think about it. It is not Vinny's fault.

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

many people not only guessed it but knew that it would happen. That is why his stock dropped so much. The guy couldnt play full seasons at OU. There were plenty that knew this full well, we however choose to ignore this fact.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

1. Redskins lose a lot of close games they should win. = "Man, what is wrong with this coaching staff, we gotta start winning these close games! We can't lose them!"

2. Redskins start winning the close games that said fans were complaining about. - "Man, what is wrong with this team, we gotta start blowing out these teams that give us close games. This is just completely unacceptable!"


lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"Fortunately, the missed tackle was on Santana, not one of the Lions"
------
LMAO

Posted by: RambleOn | October 27, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks CL, it is nice not to have to watch the games through my fingers any more, although Balmer was pretty ugly still.

I imagine you guys must be beaucoup happy at 6-2?

I see, so...

Continuing to run the 'Wildcat' offense when every d-coord has about 100 snaps worth of film on it now = power rankings?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 27, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

'power rankings' =
Because we mostly agree Power Rankings are just a useless ego stroke for band wagon fans/teams. Anything with 'power rankings' = 'x'
x then also = useless ego stroke for band wagon fans/teams

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Truth, i am not the one complaining. I am defending 'my right' to be dissatisfied with how we played yesterday and being a true fan.

that is it. If we win the rest of our games by two points or less I will be happy. But we will have to play better than we did yesterday to beat

Pitt
Bmore
Philly
Dallas
Gmen

because those other teams will not be as inept as the lions.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

CL beat me with better explination.
Don't say this much but F U CL:)

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"many people not only guessed it but knew that it would happen. That is why his stock dropped so much. The guy couldnt play full seasons at OU. There were plenty that knew this full well, we however choose to ignore this fact.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:22 PM"

Kelly missed 2 games his senior year and 3 games his sophomore year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

And how many games has he missed this year? 8... right, so those concerns about his health were off base?

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

***Wouldn't DeSean Jackson, Avery, or Eddie Royal***The Cork

What is the record of the teams those two play for? Seems to me that the Skins are doing ok bringing these three along slowly. Actually, Davis is lucky to get any playing time this year because we have both CC and Yoder.

Can't fault Vinny so far on his drafting those three players.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Apropos of nothing in particular to this thread, but I was curious about something watching the game right before the Moss punt return... ARE is 20th out of 25 qualifying punt returners (9 min) per NFL.com. I actually expected it to be even worse. I would say, at least he secures the ball, but he did have 1 fumble. Not hating on him, just think we need more from that role, and of course the Moss return just showed what is possible. Not that I want Moss back there regularly, but maybe like the old Darrell Green times, filling in when it was really needed. I'd like to see Thrash back there or maybe someone like Tryon...

Posted by: beatkal | October 27, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Pitt
Bmore
Philly
Dallas
Gmen

because those other teams will not be as inept as the lions.

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:27 PM "

strange thing is we've already been 2 of the 5 teams on that list and played about even with the other in the first week of the season for the last 3 quarters of the game.

don't know what I'm missing...

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Power rankings are a phenomenon of the Internet... people who run websites gotta get eyeballs and, nowadays, get conversation going. And we have a compulsive need to make and read/evaluate lists of things, especially ranked lists. We all agree that the rankings are useless, meaningless, for us as fans... but who cares? It's harmless fun.

I take issue with the word "power" which is especially silly. As if there were any other type of ranking on offer.

"Okay, folks, it's Tuesday morning, and you know what that means: the new Power Rankings, Finesse Rankings, Personality Rankings, and Lip-Synch Rankings are all posted at the following links..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"And how many games has he missed this year? 8... right, so those concerns about his health were off base?

Posted by: Zeebs | October 27, 2008 4:31 PM"

no I was just saying, he was making it sound like Kelly missed 8 games every year in college, he missed 5 total in his last two years of college, that's not awful by any stretch.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at who's left, what odds do you give us on wining those games.
Pitt- 1/3, just cuz we be hurting, they be mad.
Bmore- 2/3, we are better but they got a good D.
Philly- 2/3, like B more but we know what we did last time.
Dallas- 1/2, its a rivalry never know what will happen.
Gmen- 1/4, they are a very good team, home gives us a chance.
Cinci- 9/10, such a bad team.
Seattle- 1/2,so many storylines in the game.
SF- 7/10 they are better than cinci kinda. But who knows what will be going on there in week 17.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Truth you suck and you make up stats. He didnt miss 2 games his senior year because he didnt play college his senior year. This is his senior year.

Scoring Stats
YEAR TEAM G PassTD RushTD RecTD RetTD TotTD 2PT PAT FG TotPT
2005 OKLA 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 12
2006 OKLA 7 0 0 10 0 10 0 0 0 60
2007 OKLA 5 0 0 9 0 9 0 0 0 54

Stats provided by STATS LLC

You can clearly see he played 2, 7, and 5 games from his freshman, sop, and junior year.
So he played 14 total gollege games fantastic.

Stop making sh*t up!!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with the whole power rankings thing. Who cares who is ranked #1, or any other number for that matter, as the season unfolds. As someone or other once said "that's why they play the games".

On an FFL note, good luck with Vinatieri tonight JM, I hope he stinks it up like he kept doing for me until I dropped him!!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 27, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

power rangers??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

He jumped his Junior year, he is playing his Senior year now, in the NFL.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

more power rankings = bonus points

Greg?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Greg, here are the two for tonight:


8:00 PM NFL REPLAY Cleveland Browns vs. Jacksonville Jaguars (10/26/08) - Browns hold off Jaguars fourth-quarter rally, improve to 3-4 to keep pace in AFC North.
9:30 PM NFL REPLAY New York Giants vs. Pittsburgh Steelers (10/26/08) - Eli Manning engineers Giants' fourth-quarter comeback as New York out-hits Pittsburgh in defensive battle.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Please,someone take these friggin bonus points off my hands....I'm planning on insulating my attic with them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

curz, thanks man. neither game appeals to me...but sometimes watching football is better than anything else....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Greg,
You know they are flamable right. If the things have all the value of a Disney Dolar in Canada then just burn em.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, way to to point out to quotes that were semi-positive. I was referring to the entire basis/language of the article. read again my friend.

And Zeebs, like I said, good teams draft for then future. Which is what we did. We took a gamble with Kelly, and it's far to early to see if it will pay off. Your words further prove my point. I guess you and other fans would be satisified if Thomas, Kelly, & Davis each had 500 yards each at this point. That doesn't work when they have all-pros playing in front of them. They are learning from some of the best in the game right now (Moss & Cooley). They are are raw talent, that cannot be coached. Excellent draft by Vinny, looking towards our future!

So if Thomas, and Kelly each have 100 yds next week, and the Skins win by 40, then do you think we can overcome Texas??

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Greg, Wednesday the 8:00 game is open, just in case tonight's game is good, but the 9:30 game is the London game.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I heard you can use the bonus points to de-ice your driveway when it gets wintery up there.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

" ... Power rankings are a phenomenon of the Internet ... people who run websites gotta get eyeballs ... We all agree that the rankings are useless, meaningless, for us as fans... but who cares? It's harmless fun. ..."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 4:32 PM

Its always fun and games ... till someone puts an eye out ... THEN who's having harmless fun, Mr. Fun and Games!?!

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping for about 16 catches each this year for the rookies. Thomas and Davis still may do that. Kelly will not as he will probably go IR.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What's up with all this documentation about Heyer since last preseason?

The scout was wrong. He played well as a rookie FA. He held up all year in place of Jansen.

Plus he was an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE FREE AGENT. Where's the kudos to Gibbs/Buges/Cerrato?

JZ said what Buges is telling everyone, all he has to do is stay low and he'll be a beast!

JLaC scout isn't all that good!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

STU27, you are DEAD WRONG. He played 11 games in 05, 13 games in 06, and 14 games in 07. That's 38 GAMES IN 3 YEARS. HAHAHAHAHA. Check again pal

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Truth you suck and you make up stats. He didnt miss 2 games his senior year because he didnt play college his senior year. This is his senior year.

Scoring Stats
YEAR TEAM G PassTD RushTD RecTD RetTD TotTD 2PT PAT FG TotPT
2005 OKLA 2 0 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 12
2006 OKLA 7 0 0 10 0 10 0 0 0 60
2007 OKLA 5 0 0 9 0 9 0 0 0 54

Stats provided by STATS LLC

You can clearly see he played 2, 7, and 5 games from his freshman, sop, and junior year.
So he played 14 total gollege games fantastic.

Stop making sh*t up!!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:37 PM "


first you can chill out a little bit

second I got those stats from :

http://nfldraft.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52062

and third, obviously I meant he missed those games his junior and sophomore year, the senior was a typo genius.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Re: Not winning by a big margin.

Who the SJK CARES! This IS NOT SORRY A$$ UGA. WE AINT THE BCS.

This post = Power Rankings = Cerreto is/isn't doing a good job = Gibbs sucks/is God

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

well i am off for the day, Now you kids behave and remember an old saying I used to warn my college roomates with. "if you get caught... don't pull"
If you have to ask get caught on what, then I pitty you.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 27, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah my B

:D

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

First = Power Rankings....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 27, 2008 3:41 PM

Not be 1st when trying = The Truth = Dman

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

classic 4th!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 27, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

and also of course you are wrong Stu, you said this guy played 14 games his entire career?

his career stats in three years were 144 catches for 2285 yards and 21 TD's.

Link : http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=174567

If he did that in FOURTEEN games like you said he played, we would've been FOOLS not to draft him.

keep up the great work Stu!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

cj658, I did read it ... and I watched the game. Sounds like you're looking for a thread that says something like "The Skins are still awesome, they beat the Lions, and are now 6-2!" That's a single sentence and, while true, does not describe the game I watched.

This was not the Skins who I watched beat New Orleans, Arizona, Philly, or Dallas. THAT team was an up-tempo team. In the intervening threads, I accept the explanation that the team is tired (after having started training camp earlier than most teams and having a late bye week). "Tired" is the best (most charitable) explanation I can walk away with to explain the penalties, the fumbles, the individual player mental lapses (see St. Louis game), and the conservative play-calling (conservative at least in comparison to the ones against Saints/Cards/Philly/Dallas).

The Skins looked tired, at least in the first half, against the Browns. It was a weird game to watch.

I'm going through withdrawal on my addiction to the excitement and the enthusiasm that the team (esp. Zorn) was injecting into my veins (sorry for the stark analogy) and the coming down is much harder than the going up was easy.

Taking that out on Jasno's thread-writing is misplaced ... and Jasno bashing itself is just getting ... tired.

[Go Skins!]

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Look at this link from Oklahoma. He played 38 games in 3 years

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/kelly_malcolm00.html

Common sense people, why would the skins draft a guy who played 14 games in three years? According to Stu27 they did!!! How could anyone actually believe that garbage, and Stu27, where the heck did you get that nonsense?

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone keep calling him Jasno??

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah my B
: D

Sorry again... But he didnt play 14 his junior year. he missed the Fiesta Bowl in 07 and 06.

You get a month off for a January bowl game like that, what happened to him? Seemes like he maybe got injured practicing or something, that would be unlikely though...whaa a minute


Again MY B

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

++But we will have to play better than we did yesterday to beat

Pitt
Bmore
Philly
Dallas
Gmen

because those other teams will not be as inept as the lions.++

at least we get 4 of the 5 at home!

++Kelly missed 2 games his senior year and 3 games his sophomore year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse ++

agreed, that's A LOT of games to miss in 3 years lolz.

Posted by: bms46and2 | October 27, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny Fans.

Wouldn't DeSean Jackson, Avery, or Eddie Royal look good in the old Maroon and Gold now....

Instead, your man drafted "DNP-Injured" Kelly, "One Catch Every Other Game" Thomas and "MIA" Davis.

Yeah, sure, down the road...blah blah blah. With Moss chronic Hammie acting up again, the skins need a deep threat NOW...and failed to draft or acquire one otherwise.

Posted by: TheCork | October 27, 2008 4:10 PM |

Dude - We already have 2 SHORT WRs! Where have you been? Cerrato was looking for some tall guys to play...

Moss/ARE = Avery = Jackson = Royal (does not) = Plaxico (does not) = OchoCinco (does not) = Larry Fitzgerald

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"Sorry again... But he didnt play 14 his junior year. he missed the Fiesta Bowl in 07 and 06.

You get a month off for a January bowl game like that, what happened to him? Seemes like he maybe got injured practicing or something, that would be unlikely though...whaa a minute


Again MY B

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 4:58 PM"

so you go from saying "He played only 14 games his entire career" to "How can you miss a game after a month off?"


Wow, you're pitiful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This sentence is false.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Cant seem to remember who won that Fiesta Bowl game in 2007 though. If he played there might have been a diffrent outcome if I could remember the outcome, who won that one OU?

Posted by: Stu27 | October 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If he did that in FOURTEEN games like you said he played, we would've been FOOLS not to draft him.

keep up the great work Stu!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 27, 2008 4:53 PM

Umm ... someone needs to dig Stu out from under that pile.

Truth, I believe as simple "OWNED" (or maybe "PWNED") would have sufficed. But still, seems like you are entitled to a short parade or little dance of some sort (just don't use the football as a prop in the endzone ... they throw flags for that).

cj###, "Jasno" is an intentional misspelling that makes fun of his typos.

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to watch more redzone film on our opponents and copy cat what other teams do to score on them. We've had several drives end after getting a first and goal (mostly inside the 5yd line). Zorn has to get this team producing down there. It was a sore spot with Gibbs, as well. Maybe we should blame it on JC's inexperience. But I think we need some variety in the redzone, going mano against mano isn't getting it done.

A couple math problems for you:

Offense=moving the ball and scoring
Redskin offense= penalties, turnovers in the red zone, telegraphing plays.

Defense = 3 and out, done deal.
Redskin Defense = hold them for 2 downs and let them get a big play or commit a stupid five yard penalty(automatic first down)

First half success=Redskins with a 6-2 record. No way anyone predicted this at the half way point and our schedule.

Light at the end of the tunnel=Redskin coaching staff not being complacent and happy with a 6-2 record, seeking constant improvement.

Hidden gems= Let Portis and Santana Moss take credit for first half success. Don't let young Jason Campbell get caught up in his great first half. He needs to continue playing well.

.5 Year MVP = Portis by far, Campbell second and Cooley right there, as well.

.5 Rookie of the Year = Mr. Horton, hands down. This guy can flat out play. He and LaRon will be a great duo over the next decade and longer.

.5 Gripe = Shawn Springs. Don't help by re-signing or being salary cap friendly. Set out four to five games and look cherry when playing. Be a man, play football. The team is so much better with you on the field.

.5 Surprise=Jim Zorn - what a delight as head coach. I hope he sticks around for five or six Super Bowl rings. Can't wait to watch his off-season moves and draft picks. (psst, we need offensive linemen)

Posted by: Rando | October 27, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ugh = See you guys tomorrow maybe

Posted by: Redcoat | October 27, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

From the wikipedias ... about the Tostitos (Fiesta) Bowl ...

"On January 1, 2007, the undefeated Boise State Broncos won by defeating the Oklahoma Sooners 43-42 in overtime. It has been called one of the greatest college football games ever played, due to the combination of an underdog team, trick plays, comebacks by each team and a thrilling overtime finish."

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude - We already have 2 SHORT WRs! Where have you been? Cerrato was looking for some tall guys to play...

Posted by: 4thFloor

Bang up job Cerrato did finding those tall guys to "play".

By the way, if having "tall" WRs is soooo important, why is JC having the best statistical year of any Redskins QB since Rypien in '91? All this talk about "tall" and "short" WRs, saying we couldn't use a DeSean Jackson or a Donnie Avery or an Eddie Royal is one of the more ignorant things I've read on this blog.

Posted by: spizzle | October 27, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"... is one of the more ignorant things I've read on this blog."

Posted by: spizzle | October 27, 2008 5:06 PM

CLEARLY you have not been reading up here very long.

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

here are his final stats, i dunno where you guys are pulling this stuff up?

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=52062

193 catches
3100 yards
30 TD's
16+ ypg

Posted by: bms46and2 | October 27, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Prediction:

Game 4 goes to extra innings tonight, as the Rays and Phillies will be tied 8-7 after the 9th.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 27, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone keep calling him Jasno??

Posted by: cj658 | October 27, 2008 4:57 PM

JLC has a propensity for horrendous grammar and spelling errors, including that of his own name. He has been known to write "Jasno" on occassion. Thus, we lovingly jab him over his silly journalistic quirk.

Peaches,
TDawg

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

8-7? hmmm....

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

By the way, if having "tall" WRs is soooo important, why is JC having the best statistical year of any Redskins QB since Rypien in '91? All this talk about "tall" and "short" WRs, saying we couldn't use a DeSean Jackson or a Donnie Avery or an Eddie Royal is one of the more ignorant things I've read on this blog.

Posted by: spizzle | October 27, 2008 5:06 PM |

Why is he having the best statistical year when we didn't draft DeSean Jackson, Donnie Avery, or Eddie Royal?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Prediction:

Game 4 goes to extra innings tonight, as the Rays and Phillies will be tied 8-7 after the 9th.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 27, 2008 5:11 PM

What kind of communist* comes up here to post about BASEBALL!?!?!

[Obviously, this is sarcasm ... just had to note that ... this crowd seems a little edgy today.]

* Per Alex's earlier definition, that would be an AMERICAN communist ... assuming the person has been waterboarded with apple pie ... and was born in a U.S. colony circa 1976 ... maybe DC? Puerto Rico? Guam? USVI? American Samoa? Canada?

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Ouh, face!!!

Eat it, spizzle.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

He has been known to write "Jasno" on occassion.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 5:15 PM |

I remember it slightly differently. Maybe I'm wrong, and I haven't read everything he's written, but I've never seen him write "Jasno."

I think this was made up by NateinthePDX and it stuck because, well, it seemed so much like something he could have written.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Why is he having the best statistical year when we didn't draft DeSean Jackson, Donnie Avery, or Eddie Royal?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:16 PM

I give ... is it because Skins didn't need pass catchers in the first place?

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

spizzel - That is what everyone was talking about last year, including JLaC that we have too many small WRs and we don't have a Plaxico.

I agree. Look how we do in the Red Zone. Poor so far.

Also, all those players are on teams not as good as ours. So, those teams aren't doing too much with those 'great' (eye roll) Rookies while we are beasting out w/o our 2nd round rookies who have done basically nothing so far. I'm glad the jury dosen't decide on the trial after only hearing the prosecution's side.......

**********Fantasy Post********

JohnInHouston - You like that beating I put down on you? I thought you were about to run away with the division for the moment. Hopefully, I brought you back to reality.......

******End Fantasy Post*********

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Mmmm... pieboarding...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

".5 Year MVP = Portis by far, Campbell second and Cooley right there, as well."

I'd give the ranking of team MVP like this:

(1) Campbell
(1a) Moss
(3) Fletcher
(4) Portis

Moss may be the most underrated impact player in the league. Nobody gives him due credit, but he drives this offense like no other WR in the league (in my mind, he's similar to what Randy Moss was to the Pats last season). After Campbell, he's the single most irreplaceable player on the field.

Posted by: spizzle | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Thats definitely a possibility, TE, but I think I've seen him flub his name before. No matter though, we can both agree that he occasionally writes like a drunken ninth-grader.

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

... (eye roll) ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM

JZPP!!

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, good one on the bb game tonite. I chuckled over that. Very nice.

Posted by: Rando | October 27, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, t_e, I think I came up with "Jasno". I do think Cindy uses it sometimes; while there are many Jasons, there can only be one Jasno.

But hey, I'm not a regular like TheTruth and you other guys, so don't make it sound like I've been participating in this thing on an ongoing basis or nothin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to solve math problems, because, uh, some tall and short people don't have maps to find Oklahoma sooner than Boise State, and our education, like such as, uh, the Guam and, uh, the Canada, should help us solve the math over here in the Samoa to build up our future for the children.

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | October 27, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I give ... is it because Skins didn't need pass catchers in the first place?

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:23 PM |

I'm thinking it's because of Jim Zorn and "best year" is irrelevant. It would be even bester if some of the pass catchers we drafted were producing what they're capable of. And it might bestest if we drafted different pass catchers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@Spizzie: Campbell is having the best year since Rypien for a 'Skins QB for the following reasons:
1) He's the first, first-round draft pick QB we've had that was worth that pick since Rypien left (and no, I have no clue where we drafted Rypien at).
2) Clinton Portis leads the league in rushing yardage.

It's just like your high-school football coach told you "You run to set-up the pass and pass to set-up the run". When you do both well, you win more than you lose. Enter our 6-2 record.

As for the continuing draft hatred, Thomas and Kelly were drafted as tall, possession/red-zone WR's. Moss is the deep-threat and always will be. You can complain about not throwing to Thomas in the red-zone and I'd agree with you, but he is clearly making strides in possession game (enter his 11+ yard 3rd down pick-up. Relax guys... being a 'Skins is fun again.

Posted by: AppleScience | October 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Frizzle,
Portis has @1,000 yards rushing. How can you not give it to him?

Posted by: Rando | October 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Aha! TE, Nate, this is where my confusion came in. Cindy does use it in blog posts and it flooded my memory (I checked the searches for Jasno proofing!).

Give props where props are due-- Nate is the coinmonger in the house!

Posted by: TDawg1 | October 27, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, all those players are on teams not as good as ours.

Posted by: 4thFloor

Denver is the 2nd rated offense in the league (Eddie Royal). Philadelphia is the 8th rated offense in the league (DeSean Jackson). Both players play extremely prominent roles in those top-tier offenses.

Our TEAM may be better, but trying to chalk up our team's better results as a reason to why our rookies can't play is equally as (excuse the negative connotation) ignorant.

What you're saying is equivalent to saying HB Blades is a better LB than Patrick Willis because Willis played (and still plays) on a clearly inferior team than Blades.

Posted by: spizzle | October 27, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Jasno did, however, make up the name "cload and daggar".

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

But hey, I'm not a regular like TheTruth and you other guys, so don't make it sound like I've been participating in this thing on an ongoing basis or nothin'

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 5:28 PM |

Nate, Good to see you back. I've been missing your posts. I haven't seen anything by you up here since that day you tagged "Jasno." Since you'd stopped posting -- like me, Truth, and the rest of us regulars -- I assumed you decided you couldn't top the Jasno moniker and wouldn't try.

How you been? Still married? Kids in college yet?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

4th

************Begin Fantasy Post*************
Yeah, well a stupid last second decision to switch defenses (vikings were on a bye) killed me. I had a very, very bad feeling when I looked at the lineup yesterday morning. I am humbled.
***********End Fantasy Post****************

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 27, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking it's because of Jim Zorn and "best year" is irrelevant. It would be even bester if some of the pass catchers we drafted were producing what they're capable of. And it might bestest if we drafted different pass catchers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:30 PM

Trying to re-remember the history on this, I'm not even ready to rip the choice of pass catchers (except with 50/50 hindsight). Zorn had only been the "on-deck" offensive coordinator elect for a few weeks before the draft ... and head coach elect for even shorter. He didn't have THAT much film on Jason Campbell, and what struck him about that film was the technique stuff (I'm assuming this based on all the offseason stuff). The thing Zorn DID know was the offense he wanted to install ... which is why I think he figured he needed a taller receiver. The league history of early round draft picks at WR suggests a high bust rate, so making redundant picks to catch passes was not a bad idea assuming they wanted to assure that at least one of those guys was going to be gold. The undoing (in my opinion) was the fact that, because they were draft picks and unsigned, the team couldn't get them into a conditioning program ... or, at least, that's what my 50/50 hindsight suggests was the "lesson learned" ... make sure the guys you draft early know what is expected of them for when training camp starts. Seems like a well-conditioned guy is less likely to get injured than a less well conditioned guy.

Posted by: dcsween | October 27, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Rypien = 6th round pick in 1986.

And by the way: Beep Beep.

Posted by: tafka | October 27, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I hate it when you regulars talk to me like I'm one of you, but I'll go ahead anyway... yep, the kids are all through college now, been good, thanks for asking, see you in a couple of years. Go Skins.

And * beep beep *

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 27, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

sween--I remember it about the way you described it and come to the same conclusion.

They've disappointed everyone, including themselves, and with hindsight Vinnie would never have chosen any of them in the second round.

At the time though, with 0-0 foresight, each seemed like a good pick and I won't criticize their selections, though I've gotten tired of defending them. For whatever reason, they haven't delivered.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 27, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The Skins drafting Kelly in the 2nd round reminds of watching my wife shop for purse.

Step 1: She decides she wants to buy something.

Step 2: Finds a problem with the desired item but willing to overlook it, after all it is a Chanel handbag; caviar leather, oh my.

Step 3: Comes to her senses and decides to purchase something a little safer (making Devin Thomas the equivalent of a Coach handbag)

Step 4: Goes back and buys the Chanel handbag too (Malcolm Kelly)

Step 5: and I quote, "but I had to have a matching wallet" (Fred Davis)

My apologies to those who cannot relate to this $4,000 analogy.

Posted by: isnadd | October 27, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins needed a big target (6'2" plus) to run opposite Moss in the West coast offense, that's why we drafted Thomas and Kelly and not Desean Jackson, donnie avery, or Eddie royal. If one of our rookie receivers turns out to be a good pro then the draft will prove to be a success. People, just give these rookies time. Your not going to be watching Randle el and Thrash running routes out there much longer, one or both of these guys is going to be very good.

Posted by: hender_22 | October 27, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

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