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Campbell Update/Sunday Morning

Jasno is off today, but he's still working the phones and spoke to a person with knowledge of Jason Campbell's status this morning...Here's what we know:
Campbell had said last night that he expected the knee to be stiff and sore this morning. The good news is that neither is as bad as they were tanticipating. There is little swelling and he's getting around much like he did last night, when you saw him walking into and out of the press room and climbing those two or three steps to the dais.
The feeling today is that they were incredibly lucky with this injury. They really dodged a bullet.

I'm heading in to work. Need to get me some coffee. I'll check back in later.

By Cindy Boren  |  August 19, 2007; 11:38 AM ET
 
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not first. stop doing this.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

any news on Marcus Washington?

Posted by: redskinsomfs | August 19, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

2nd

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Any news on the general feeling around Redskins Park? And is there any lingering issue/injury with Jon Jansen? He just doesn't look right.

Glad Cambell is doing well!

Posted by: Icarus | August 19, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

All he needs is a big plate of Benchiladas and all will be well. Big bullet dodged.

It's a sign.

Posted by: Whodini | August 19, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

And Keisel deserves a date with the Benaconda.

Posted by: Whodini | August 19, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

That is great news. Thanks for the update Cyn Cyty.

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the game.

Blame the Line, not Keisel. It was betwenn Heyer and Pucillo.

If the LB had blitzed on the line's left side, that would have been Heyer's Man. Pucillo for some reason doubleld Hampton.
It seems that Pucillo should have been able to reach for Keisel and Campbell wouldn't have gotten hit.

We need someone to hold down the left gaurd position or Campbell will be in danger all season.....

Posted by: 4th | August 19, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Learn to Spell.

Posted by: who is jasno? | August 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Everyone ease up on Jansen...He is fine and when the bullets start flying for real you will see him normal...In the light of the Oline injuries and especially to Chris...I'm sure they have told Jon to do enough but don't do all out in a way you could get hurt...Its all about regular season...Preseason is not the playoffs...and he does not need to prove anything...Now if he looks like that in the first game...then wory....But at this point there is NO NEED TO WORRY and SPECULATE until its for real....IT freakin preseason guys!

Posted by: Leevi | August 19, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

No word yet on Washington...

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Nothing on Marcus Washington?? This is a big blow to the D.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 19, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, great minds think alike!
I'm in the healthcare field (therapist), whee the elbow is known as a most unforgiving joint, particularly slow to rehab. Have a bad feeling about Washington.

Posted by: cosmofla | August 19, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear Learn to Spell,
Evidently, you are new to our blog. Welcome!
Jasno is not a typo. Nor is it an improper spelling. Instead, it is an affectionate nickname that is deliberate...based on an old typo. It's just a little inside joke that makes us smile. Kind of like SJK.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Did not see yhe game, but sounds like Skins were very physical and outplayed the Steelers despite the score. Running game didn't do well statistically, I see. Anyone analyze the ground game?

Posted by: cosmofla | August 19, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

To the Quinn doubters, name one offensive skill position player from ND that got drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL draft. His top receiver, Jeff Samardzija, a Biletnikoff finalist, is playing baseball as a pro. Go back and look at the LSU game, the LSU players were 2x as fast the ND players. What was the guy supposed to do? Football is the ultimate team game and ND's failures against better opponents was not his fault.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 01:35 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Washington could move to the offensive line, where he wouldn't need to use his arms....
I'm sure there'll be some swelling (maybe an inflamed bursa?) with his injury and they'll have to wait till that subsides...Jasno still thinks this morning that they'll allow it to heal and he'll play ASAP. My guess then is that he'd have postseason surgery to tighten things up.
That's pure speculation, though.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

My concern is that the Steelers, with a three-man rush, were able to pressure and get to the QB in preseason. What will happen when the games are for real?

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Has Washington been diagnosed w/dislocated elbow? Left or right?

Posted by: cosmofla | August 19, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Dislocated right elbow. They were able to (cringe) pop it into place immediately. He'd had left elbow surgery in the offseason.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

i have the perfect remedy for Jason and Marcus to Be 100% in no time.

http://www.chiherbal.com/the-injury-recovery-kit.htm?&key=Speeding+Recovery&id=16&gclid=CMefteaUgo4CFR8sFQodXVy5LQ

This will bring Jason back in 2 days and Marcus in 1-2 weeks instead of the 4-6 that a medical website referred to. Jasno pass this on to Bubba for me.

Posted by: Dr. O | August 19, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Watching the game on NFLN right now. The offensive line looks good...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

i think i should start the final two preseason games with the first team offense. i must say i have looked good this preseason. i believe i can lead this team to the nfc east title. what do ya'll think?

Posted by: todd collins | August 19, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So can I!

Posted by: Jeff George | August 19, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Me too

Posted by: Danny Woeful | August 19, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Cyndy,

Please fact check this JLC quote in paragraph 11 of "Redskins escape with a bruise":

"Keisel was penalized for a personal foul and later apologized to Campbell, who said he did think the shot at his knees was intentional."

I watched the post-game interview with Soups and am pretty sure he said that he thought the Keisel shot was unintentional. Dunno. Maybe Soups changed his mind or I had one too many glasses of grape.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 09:35 AM

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I think a Tom Collins would lead this team to an NFC East title before Todd Collins would.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, SC. "Not" is indeed missing. We'll fix that.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

A Tom Collins would be nice right about now. Day shift after a night game stinx!

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I am more than ok having Collins in with the 1st team the rest of the preseason. The further Brunell is from playing in a real game the better.

I'd like to hear what the coaches thought of Pucillo after watching the tape. Is Campbell having an MRI done on his knee today?

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Glad to help, Cyndy.

Wow, I just got my first editorial work at the WaPo.

I will print out that "not" and frame it.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy. Complaining about working the day shift? You have a great job that many of us wish we had. Getting paid to watch and be associated with sports? Just grab another cup of coffee and chill...

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 19, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

To the Quinn doubters, name one offensive skill position player from ND that got drafted in the first three rounds of the NFL draft. His top receiver, Jeff Samardzija, a Biletnikoff finalist, is playing baseball as a pro. Go back and look at the LSU game, the LSU players were 2x as fast the ND players. What was the guy supposed to do? Football is the ultimate team game and ND's failures against better opponents was not his fault.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 01:35 PM

Samardzija was projected to be a 1st round pick. At worst would have been a 2nd. Anthony Fasano (TE) was drafted in the 2nd round by Dallas in 2006 and Maurice Stovall (WR) was drafted in the 3rd by Tampa the same year. Darius Walker didn't get drafted but was a productive college RB and made a mistake coming out of school early. They were good enough in 1 game to barely lose to USC when Bush pushed Leinart into the end zone. That is the only big game I recall him stepping up. To blame it on surrounding players is a cop out. You think he is good, I think he is overrated. Just opinions we'll have to disagree on.

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jasno said in his article this morning that Washington was due to be sidelined for two weeks. Basically that means they'll sit him the rest of the preseason.

Posted by: Dante | August 19, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not complaining at all. I have the greatest job in the world! I wouldn't ever want to do anything else.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

So does the game yesterday settle once and for all the questions about whether it matters to have a super physical camp with two-a-days every day a.la the steelers... or a more laid back camp like the redskins.

Seems to me that the redskins were just as physical if not more so than the steelers.


Posted by: Dante | August 19, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

That's what Jasno still thinks about Washington: 10 days to two weeks.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"My concern is that the Steelers, with a three-man rush, were able to pressure and get to the QB in preseason. What will happen when the games are for real?"

The steelers use a 3-4 defense but that doesn't mean they only have three rushing the QB. The vast majority of the time they will rush 4 (three D linemen and a LB) the point of a 3-4 is disguishing which of the LBs is the fourth rushed (or the 5th or sixth in a blitz). Things will be better once Samuels gets in. Heyer is doing fine but helacks the experience to help the left guard. Samuels can handle the defensive end and avoidleaving the guard on an island.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 19, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I ibviously meant disguising, but I think I like disguishing better.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 19, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yep. Getting Samuels back is key.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to seeing how the Gints play against Jasno's Crows tonight. Well get to see what Eli's got this year without Tiki in the backfield.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok board's resident radiologist here......

Generally elbows dislocate to the back, in the direction of the point of the elbow. Of the two bones of the forearm, the smaller at the elbow (radius) has a circular head that normally sits in a ring of ligament that lets it rotate, so you can face your hand up and down. It only has a small joint contact with the distal upper arm (humerus).

The other forearm bone (ulna) makes a hinge joint with the humerus. If the dislocation is posterior, the ring ligament is intact, and the front lip of the ulna isn't broken, then these usuall pop back in, and heal pretty quickly., as the hinge is a pretty stable configuration, as opposed to a joint like the shoulder which is a ball and cup type..could even play with a brace sooner

Posted by: Jason | August 19, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason not Jasno. I would hope they wouldn't risk playing him before Sept. 9. Let it heal!

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

okay...new rule! one thing is off limits and that is criticism of Cindy up here. she has been a gracious host to us all.

if you can find something about Cindy to criticize then either you're too young (like 10 and under) or very unhappy with your life. for the first one you're forgiven but for the second one you'll need to go see dr. phil or come see me (i can't give you my phone number up here cuz that'd be a violation of a wapo rule and plus i'm very expensive.).

so Cindy is off limits guys. Jasno on the other hand is all ours and we can say/do as we please with him. cuz he's the one actually doing the reporting.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you dealer, but I get the feeling that Cyndy can take care of herself in a war of words, if it ever came to that.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Samuels: knee injury should have put him out for the year, but he will be ready for game 1.
Campbell: knee injury should have put him out for the year, but he will be ready for game 1.

This is a sign.
What does it mean: 10-6 and an appearance in the NFC Champoinship game.

Posted by: Thank God | August 19, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Littery, for your kindness! But you guys can criticize me! It's okay.
Although a Tom Collins still would hit the spot.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, I think, Anonymous!

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

flimflam, no you weren't piling on. again it's difference of opinion. you think he was being too proud and i think that all NFL coaches are proud and that's why you need a GM to rein them in a little.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm still betting the mortgage on 19-0.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I understand your optimism, but this might not be the best time to be betting a mortgage.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Probably very true Cindy :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

lh, we don't hate brady quinn. we were up here watching the draft this past april and one thing we all saw was how nice and gracious he was in "defeat". he is a nice guy and by all acounts much nicer than that other guy you mentioned.

he was still picked in the first round like JC so it's not like he is an underdog all of a sudden.

i saw the highlights and his arm strength is suspect. the ball took forever to get to the receivers. and that's how he looked against LSU.

we're just picking him to not be that good. and i used to like ND when lou holtz was there (sorry i just like their helmets and liked the movie rudy).

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The Pittsburgh broadcast team (shown on second half of the NFLN broadcast) is making fun of all the over-titling on the 'Skins coaching staff: "they have an associate head coach, three assistant head coaches, an offensive coordinator..."

So true.

Sounds like my (soon to be) former company where you have General Managers reporting to General Managers reporting to General Managers who report to a VP who reports to another VP and so on and so forth...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Everyone ease up on Jansen...He is fine and when the bullets start flying for real you will see him normal...In the light of the Oline injuries and especially to Chris...I'm sure they have told Jon to do enough but don't do all out in a way you could get hurt...Its all about regular season...Preseason is not the playoffs...and he does not need to prove anything...Now if he looks like that in the first game...then wory....But at this point there is NO NEED TO WORRY and SPECULATE until its for real....IT freakin preseason guys!

Posted by: Leevi | August 19, 2007 01:02 PM

Yeah, I'm sure they told Jansen that if it comes down to him exerting himself, and some DE bulldozing through Jason Campbell, to just relax and let the DE through because after all it's only preaseason and we wouldn't want Jansen to unduly exert himself to protect the franchise QB.

Posted by: pfunk | August 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

cindy, just speaking the truth!

and annonymous, i have no doubt about that.


Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

both 1st team offenses did not score on 1st possesion(ALL starters play),both 1st team offenses scored once (not jc)Both teams couldnt run the ball, and all that says that BOTH teams will SUCK and will be below 500!! HAVE A NICE DAY

Posted by: hail to the redskins | August 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

God, I loved Lou Holtz. Is he still coaching somewhere?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You can always bet the Ferrari, Viscount.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I sold it already a few years back when I decided to go green and take public transportation everywhere. But after two years of public transport, I'm pretty fed up with crazy people and am going back to the gas guzzling sportscar thing. Been shopping around...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Washington could move to the offensive line, where he wouldn't need to use his arms....

yep! that's what i was thinking. they need to learn to hold(until they know what they're doing) if they gonna stick JC back in there.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wise's column wasn't particularly enlightening...

Sorry, just saying...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm lucky to live in a city with a good subway system, but I do have to have a car. I want a Mini. Tarik El-Bashir drives one and it's sooooo cool. Not cool enough for the V-Man, but still cool.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Boz's article is awesome. The Phillip Daniels quotes in the middle are fantastic.

That's your journalism criticism for the day, folks :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I love the Mini, and I REALLY love that you can customize everything about it. Sadly, it is a tiny car for chicks and artsy types who know how to use Photoshop.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

True. And that's me!

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Mini - Cool, but not smart.
Prius - Cool and smart, but pricey.
Yaris - Smart, but not cool.
Smart (car) - Smart, Cool, but not yet available.

http://www.smartusa.com/

Posted by: Car Guy | August 19, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The Smart is adorable. My buddy is going to get one. I told him there is a zero percent chance he'd ever get SJKed again, but he should give it a whirl just so I could make fun of him.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I was in Arizona last week. A friend of my brother's brought over their smart car. They are available, though probably not universally.

As for whether they are really smart...Not so sure about that. Having seen them in Europe and now here, I cringe when I think of an SUV on "smartcar" collision. Good for parallel parking though, I'm sure.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Who is the V-Man?

Have I missed anything?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 19, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Viscount...

Go big and green with the Ford Hybrid SUV. I think it was the 2006 car of the year....

Posted by: chris larry | August 19, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I feel guilty about not going smart...but I am on the Metro four days a week and barely drive 50 miles a week.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am SO not an SUV guy. I know it's practically required here in the Pacific NW, but I don't wear fleece or hiking boots either.

I put a deposit on a new car already, but I'm not sold on it and am still shopping.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think when I go greener than my Hyundai Sonata I'll probably go with a diesel SUV. The new diesels are by some accounts more fuel efficient than the "hybrids". At least that's what I've heard....

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Smart Car saves money on funerals too. They can bury you in it when you get run over by a semi or and Expedition.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The public transportation system in Seattle is quite good, actually, particularly if you live Downtown as I do (right below the Space Needle). But after sharing my personal space with crazy people for two years, I crave my privacy at this point...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying it for years: Every player should have to wear knee braces... period.

After all, they sure ruined the careers of Marino and Elway.

Posted by: Redskinrex | August 19, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

V-Man is the Viscount.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Any Madden-ites around that care to review the game?

I just found my Xbox 360 (it was, um, still plugged into my teevee...I could have sworn I gave it away). Figured I might as well get Madden and give it a whirl.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, check with Warren Brown before you buy that Mini!

Posted by: SMACK | August 19, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Smart Car | August 19, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know who the sorry redskinets play next? this preseason is way to long!And i dont know about you guys but its easy to see why Theisman and that other moron pat whatever got fired and now work local!Sucks for us? Joe kept going on and on about the hit on JC when eveyone with eyes could see it was an accident!

Posted by: hail to the redskins | August 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Washington could move to the offensive line, where he wouldn't need to use his arms....

yep! that's what i was thinking. they need to learn to hold(until they know what they're doing) if they gonna stick JC back in there.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Warren Brown is the best "real life" car reviewer in the country. He also seems like a very nice person.

Posted by: Car Guy | August 19, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Warren Brown is nothing short (pun intended) of an inspiration. God I love me some Washington Post.

Okay this is wrong, but funny. Warning, foul language and homosexual parody!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY

Posted by: SMACK | August 19, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

You're right...gotta check with Warren Brown.
Next up is the Ravens, followed by Jacksonville on Aug. 30, a Thursday.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

i thought jasno did the best job of the three. and i'm a boz guy. boz's column read it was prewritten (before the injury) and then the injury happened.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Any word on the Collins/Booonell situation? it would seem to me that Collins is moving up the depth chart

Posted by: TM | August 19, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

No word on anything yet...waiting for players to leave. Then Gibbs will speak.

Posted by: Cindy | August 19, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Random musings provided by a fat bald guy....

a) I would like to thank the Redskin's defense for providing the faithful a little slice of hope for the season.
b) For a while last night I thought I had set some sort of record for holding my breathe while Campbell lay on the field.
c) I remember last year's game when the Skins beat the Saints. With that being said, Todd Wade may still get a chance to start somewhere on the offensive line.
d) Is it just me or does anyone else think Sam Huff needs da boot? He rambles, annoys the players during interviews and seems confused at times.

Posted by: DRODG | August 19, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Scott Brunell should be the starter even if Campbell is healthy.

Posted by: Dick Stockton | August 19, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Smack you know that was so wrong. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Scott Brunell SHOULD be the starter.

Uh, who the hekk is Scott Brunell???

Posted by: charlie | August 19, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

95rdth!!

Posted by: Nerd | August 19, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

That's the whole point Charlie....

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

It was just a JOKE to Cindy to have some coffee and chill. Obviously, she can handle herself.

Looks like I picked the wrong person to tell to chill...

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 19, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: For Charlie | August 19, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

26ndteenth!

Posted by: Geek | August 19, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

cdubb you are right on the money. Navy, Air Force, Army, Duke. Please tell me when was the last time any of those schools were good in football.

Well, we had that amazing year in 1994 to get to the All America Bowl (loss) and in 1989 we were co-ACC champs under Steve Spurrier before being crushed in our bowl game (Texas Tech running back ran for ~300 years on us while still hooked up to an IV bag/stand due to a life-threatening case of the flu). Otherwise, you have to go back to 1941 (pre WWII folks) when we went undefeated and made it to the Rose Bowl (we lost that bowl game too, sensing a pattern yet?)

Adam

PS Useful bar trivia. Jan 1, 1942 is the only time the Rose Bowl was not played in Pasadena CA; because of fears of Japanese invasion, the game was played at Duke in Wallace Wade Stadium. It's also the only time the Duke campus has seen a national champion football team ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

so jm220, there's more info than anyone wanted (or needed) about Duke football

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | August 19, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

The 360 version of Madden 08 is really solid. It has an arcade value with the player weapons which adds some spice the game. The gameplay is very smooth. This version is so much better than the previous 360 installments which have been very disappointing. They have the full franchise modes with fantasy draft. Superstar mode is improved as well which I never really did to begin with. I love the new hit stick 2.0 if you hit down on the analog you can take out their legs and if you hit up on the hit stick it will be a shoulder blow. The defensive AI is turned up. So the DB's actually break on the ball a lot more. There are more interceptions and turnovers but that's why you have to make the right reads and take care of the ball. I like it. It was worth the purchase. The previous 360 versions were not.

Gamertag: Buckeye22

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

:(

Posted by: :) | August 19, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

'POSTED 5:43 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 6:07 p.m. EDT, August 19, 2007

CAMPBELL IS OKAY

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that an MRI on the bruised knee of Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell shows that he suffered only a bruise to his knee on Saturday night.

Campbell is now day-to-day.

Schefter also reports that linebacker Marcus Washington has a dislocated elbow, which was been relocated. He nevertheless will miss two weeks.
"

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor VIA pft | August 19, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the info 4th...i'm a little surprised that info wasn't on this site, oh well :(

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th. I was wondering if he was having the MRI done today. And only 2 weeks for #53 is great news. Let him rest up for week 1.

Did any of you all see how the Broncos were crying that Dallas was being too aggressive in their game yesterday. Not sure which is worse - Denver crying like some little SJKes or Wade Phillips coaching his D up like Spurrier did with the O in the preseason. And if he was trying to prove something from getting fired from Denver 12 years ago makes him an even bigger loser. F Dallas.

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Thanks caleb, just ordered Madden online :-)

Last year's version was really disappointing...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I think I mentioned it yesterday...but as much as I will cherish my childhood memories of Frank, Sonny, and Sam, I couldn't believe how doddering and old Sonny and Sam sounded on the radio yesterday. I've never liked "The Other Guy", so I'll just keep not remembering his name.

It may be time for new blood. I wonder if "Mr." Snyder has the guts to can Sonny... Does anyone in DC have the guts to can Sonny? I don't think so...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Jasno takes the day off and the Post gets scooped by Schefter. Cindy, haven't you guys learned never to let Jasno leave The Park?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Cute that The Post is running a Flash slideshow of White House weddings. I didn't think Jenna Bush announced a date or venue yet. I wonder if the president will show up in blue jeans or if the First Lady will make him wear a tux again :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

yellow + blue = green

Posted by: Anonymous | August 19, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Last week I was listening to the game against Tennessee and someone accidentally "locked" Huff out of the booth at half time....

He was banging on the door and finally some page let him back in, but only after the third quarter already started.

Guess Huff didn't take the clue.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I would post something football-related, but I got nothing and I'm taking a break from creating PowerPoint decks.

I could offer my one word review of Timbaland's "Shock Value": stellar.

I think 'Skins Nation is breathing a huge sigh of relief right now. JC is going to be okay, Marcus is going to be okay. Hopefully they'll both be held out of the rest of the pre-season (and maybe Cooley and Moss can join them, too).

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Cyndy,

Good thing you fixed the missing "not" in JLC's column, because some Steeler bloggers (e.g., Die Hard Steel) were angry...they have caught on that the error was fixed, but still don't like JLC's article, which is described as "sensationalism" and not objective:

"Addition: since this blog was written, the Washington Post has printed a correction stating Jason Campbell said the hit was not intentional. They have since removed the headline on the article as well. It now reads "Redskins escape with bruise; Campbell takes hit to knee in loss"

This greatly changes the complexity of the story, and in the faith of ethical and objective reporting, this is the more appropriate wording. I will stand by my statement that they put objective reporting second to sensationalism, and as their correction indicates, it came at the expense of the integrity of the story. My entry was written based on the first-run of this article, and since this is what is in the printed copy, I will not alter it and support their poor ethical decision."

Taken from:

http://diehardsteel.com/2007/08/19/washington-post-keisels-hit-on-campbell-illegal-and-direct/

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I was going to purchase Timbaland's joint but The Post's reviewer killed it and I haven't heard anything good about it.
I will say that the latest single sounds a lot like JT's Sexy Back. Tell the rest of the album doesn't sound recycled.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who want to know....

Gibbs said in his presser that they may perform an MRI on Jason tomorrow but that he is doing well so it did not appear to be necessary today. He also said that Marcus is a tough guy and he expects him back sooner rather than later.

Sportsnet showed Jason walking into Redskins Park without a limp and without anything on his knee (or leg).

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, Lisa. Good news.

The Football Gods are smiling on the Redskins this preseason.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I suppose Espy was the sacrificial lamb this week. I feel bad for the kid.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I also feel terrible for Espy. He was playing his guts out and I think he had a real chance to make the team.

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Cool man hit me up when you get it.

I agree with all the breathing a sigh of relief comments. Let's get out of this preseason quickly.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Is Pinkston the former Eagle who was the loudmouth who said some really stupid things a couple years ago?

What are his chances of making the team?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like T.O., CaroCanesFan. Supports the idea that all Iggles receivers are loudmouths.

Guess that's why Thrash never fit in over there.

Posted by: SCSKinsFan | August 19, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Eagles WR you are referring to is Freddie FredEx Mitchell.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Freddie Mitchell is the former Eagle player you all are referring to. Pinkston is a humble seeming WR.

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mitchell

He has also appeared at a press conference wearing oven mitts to protect his hands. At the press conference he said "I'd like to thank God for giving me these hands."

He didn't know the names of the Patriots DB's. Rodney Harrison called him out.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

That's right. It was Mitchell. Knew it wasn't TO. He gonna make the team?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks! Forgot to say that....

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 19, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone looking forward to this Giants-Ravens game? I'm really curious to see how the G-Men are going to be this year without Tiki and possibly Strahan.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It may be pre-season, but, God, I love football. Football in HD is my personal happy pill...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

HOLY SHMOLY! I am in a full panic at this moment so much so I haven't taken the time to read ANYTHING. I've been MIA due to school and friends. All I see is Campbell "okay" but hurt his knee and Washington injured?

WHAT HAPPENED IN PRESEASON GAME? Bullet points are fine.

Posted by: sfskin | August 19, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The G Men don't look good at all. The D don't look good against the run

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Mike Anderson just broke a 25 yarder on the G-Men. Yes, old man Mike.

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, the D was FIERCE! Rocky Macintosh was a beast!

Campbell was sacked low (in the knee) by a Steeler player named Kiesel (?) and the lights went out in DC (I'm just being dramatic here). But it looks like a bruised knee....at least we hope so.

Marcus Washington also dislocated his elbow and poor Mike Espy is done for the season. Injury laden night but we looked pretty darn good!

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

sfskin it was a cheap shot. The guy went right for his knee. Cooley had a great game. The D played really hard. Rocky Mac was a straight beast.

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

More criticism of JLC and this morning's article:

SCSkinsFan Says:
August 19th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
I notified La Canfora's editor of the mistake around 2:30. They changed the error immediately.
Mistakes happen when the beat writers/editors are crunching out stories at 1:30 a.m. on a Sunday morning.

"As a sports writer, I empathize with La Canfora, and I know first-hand that mistakes can be made while under deadline after a night game. His mistake is understandable, and it clearly was not intentional. However, La Canfora has an obligation to point out the mistakes of the subjects he covers, therefore, is in a position to receive the same sort of criticism. I felt his choice of words strongly pushed the boundaries of objectivity, and would have been better suited as a column. The fact a mistake was made in quoting Campbell is beside the point, in my opinion.

This is not to say La Canfora does not have the right to his opinion. The guidelines set by the Society of Professional Journalists say newspapers should mark subjective columns or articles as such; the most common indication is a picture of the writer, or the word "commentary" labeled somewhere on the page or column. Because it is not labeled as such, and the Post cannot fix the mistake in the print version of their newspaper, I feel it's only fair to point out the error, while clearly making a note the Post has since acknowledged it and have done what they can to bring it to the attention of the reader.

-DHS"

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

JC dropped back to pass, Heyer whiffed on the block, some guy name Keister or Keisel or something hit JC low. JC lay on the ground in agony. We all nearly died.

Turns out JC was doing his best impression of a World Cup soccer player and it was only a bruise.

The bloggers got together and took Keisel to a special place in South Jersey.

Marcus Washington made a tackle, dislocated his elbow, the trainers popped it back in place, and it looks like he'll be back for opening day.

Mike Espy tore up his knee. We all feel sorry for the kid. But if Senator Clinton wins next November, his dad will probably score him a job as the VA's Assistant Associate Undersecretary for Filing the Assistant Undersecretary's Fantasty Football Picks. You're doing a heck of a job, Espy!

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

P get it right. North Jersey. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Collins looks like the #2 with a nice performance and the Receiver got his 1st TD as a Skin.

The defense was meastly.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Thanks peeploggers. I've read through the coverage stuff too.
I'm assuming all of you had much larger heart attacks watching it live.

Sounds like the D has put up another great effort and RockyMac is playing out of his head.
Running game apparently didn't exist? And do mine eyes deceive me "the receiver" caught a TD? From Todd Collins?

MB sucked again? I guessing everyone is calling for him to go #3 or be gone all together.

Cooley played a bigger role.

You know what I don't think I can take the preseason anymore. Not sure what's worse. Seeing this stuff live or reading about it and then freaking out and then getting answers.

Posted by: sfskin | August 19, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Looks like LBM is in mid-season form.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I got to call my baby out. Sorry. Lisa you are totally wrong about LBM. He just fumble with no one around him. LMGO! The G-Men are so going to suck this year without Tikki

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

On a separate note I'm pleased to report that I played in a 7x7 soccer tournament yesterday (the equivalent of our preseason except we don't practice or anything else) and we successfully lost all 4 games meaning we got to go home early and we cracked open our beers after game 3.

Several areas of my body are reporting muscles that I had forgotten existed today. I did come within 3 attempts of scoring a goal which for a gal who plays defense, has very few ball skills and when running at full speed looks like D. Green in super slo mo was nice.

Yes I am talking about soccer AND I'm talking about ME playing soccer.

Posted by: sfskin | August 19, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the receiver did get a TD from Collins.

MB didn't move the ball till the end of the game had a chance to win it but WR's kept dropping passes, tripping and making stupid penalties.

Best offseason move for the Skins, Tiki Barber retiring from the G-men.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Does Espys' injury (poor guy) mean Pinkston can legitimately compete for a spot?

Posted by: sfskin | August 19, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are the Gnats and Blackbirds doing??? I feel like I've seen 20 flags thrown so far. Hell, I was afraid that they might cream JC on Saturday after the way they destroyed Philly last week, but the Ravens *AND* the Giants look like crap so far.

Posted by: JustMe | August 19, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

gal who plays defense, has very few ball skills

LMGO!!!! SJK

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Back from the wedding in Pittsburgh. Ugh...long weekend.
Looks like JC and Marcus will be ok. WHEW!!
Trying to get caught up on all the blogging you all did up here. But I got to jm220 blog streaking and had to stop...made me throw up in my mouth a little! OK, more than a little!...Ok, got a serious case of the full-body wretching dry heaves right now!! lol
Until tomorrow...HTTR!

Posted by: 4-12 | August 19, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about that 4-12. It was the coffee.

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, Brunell did not suck. As someone mentioned before the receivers kept dropping the balls - and his arm actually had a lot of zip....so maybe he threw too hard. But he completed some nice passes as well.

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This game is slop. We are better than NY and right with Baltimore. NcNair is past his prime. D and running game is all they got.

Pinkston may have a shot at #5 but I doubt he will make it in the end. Moss, ARE, the wide receiver, and Thrash are locks. Then I guess the best out of Stinkston, Corey Bradford and Jason McAddley will stick. McAddley plays special teams and had a nice tackle on a KR last night.

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Brunell is a more than capable backup. In the NFL, if your top guy gets hurt, your hopes of a division championship are in jeopardy no matter what team you're on. Brunell is more than capable of handing the ball off to Portis and completing third down passes to Cooley to keep the 'Skins in contention for any (hopefully none) weeks JC is out. We should lay off the guy. He got demoted after an entire career as a starter and has been nothing but gracious and classy in the process. A lot of guys would have pouted.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 19, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Campbell Update: His Status Is 'Day to Day'
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
August 19, 2007

Still recovering from a bruised left knee, Jason Campbell was feeling better on Sunday, one day after a Pittsburgh Steelers defensive lineman lunged into him.
His status is day to day, according to head coach Joe Gibbs.

"I don't know [if he'll be available to practice this week]," Gibbs said. "It's day to day. It will be based on how sore he is. We'll just have to see how it goes and how he feels."

Added Gibbs: "Our medical team--they have seen these types of injuries before. And I think Jason probably has a real good feel for it, too. If he's sore, then he won't be out there."

Gibbs said Campbell would "probably have an MRI" at some point in the next couple days so that team doctors can get a full evaluation of the injury. There may not be a need for an MRI should Campbell's knee continue to feel better.

The injury occurred midway through the first quarter of the Redskins' 12-10 preseason loss to the Steelers on Saturday at FedExField.

Campbell dropped back to pass and threw a 29-yard pass to tight end Chris Cooley. At the same time, defensive end Brett Keisel lunged for Campbell's left leg in an attempt to sack him. He rolled into Campbell's leg, and the knee buckled.

Campbell fell awkwardly and immediately grasped his knee. Athletic trainers hurried onto the field to attend to him. Keisel was called for a roughing the passer penalty, a 15-yard infraction.

Campbell was able to walk off the field under his own power, but with a noticeable limp.

He said after the game that he was able to move his left foot just after Keisel made impact, and that may have saved him from a knee ligament injury.

Campbell played in two offensive series and finished with 6-of-8 completions for 75 yards.

If Campbell cannot play in this Saturday's preseason game against the Baltimore Ravens, then the Redskins would likely start either Todd Collins or Mark Brunell.

Against the Steelers, Collins was solid in leading the Redskins' first- and second-team offense, completing 10-of-13 passes for 74 yards and one touchdown, a 7-yard pass to Brandon Lloyd.

Brunell completed 5-of-12 passes for 56 yards and one interception.

Gibbs downplayed the possibility that Campbell's absence would be a setback for the third-year quarterback and the Redskins' offense.

"He has an opportunity to see Todd go in and Mark go in," Gibbs said. "What it does is get other guys more work. How that would encumber the offense? We'll just have to wait and see."

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Campbell Update: His Status Is 'Day to Day'
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
August 19, 2007

Still recovering from a bruised left knee, Jason Campbell was feeling better on Sunday, one day after a Pittsburgh Steelers defensive lineman lunged into him.
His status is day to day, according to head coach Joe Gibbs.

"I don't know [if he'll be available to practice this week]," Gibbs said. "It's day to day. It will be based on how sore he is. We'll just have to see how it goes and how he feels."

Added Gibbs: "Our medical team--they have seen these types of injuries before. And I think Jason probably has a real good feel for it, too. If he's sore, then he won't be out there."

Gibbs said Campbell would "probably have an MRI" at some point in the next couple days so that team doctors can get a full evaluation of the injury. There may not be a need for an MRI should Campbell's knee continue to feel better.

The injury occurred midway through the first quarter of the Redskins' 12-10 preseason loss to the Steelers on Saturday at FedExField.

Campbell dropped back to pass and threw a 29-yard pass to tight end Chris Cooley. At the same time, defensive end Brett Keisel lunged for Campbell's left leg in an attempt to sack him. He rolled into Campbell's leg, and the knee buckled.

Campbell fell awkwardly and immediately grasped his knee. Athletic trainers hurried onto the field to attend to him. Keisel was called for a roughing the passer penalty, a 15-yard infraction.

Campbell was able to walk off the field under his own power, but with a noticeable limp.

He said after the game that he was able to move his left foot just after Keisel made impact, and that may have saved him from a knee ligament injury.

Campbell played in two offensive series and finished with 6-of-8 completions for 75 yards.

If Campbell cannot play in this Saturday's preseason game against the Baltimore Ravens, then the Redskins would likely start either Todd Collins or Mark Brunell.

Against the Steelers, Collins was solid in leading the Redskins' first- and second-team offense, completing 10-of-13 passes for 74 yards and one touchdown, a 7-yard pass to Brandon Lloyd.

Brunell completed 5-of-12 passes for 56 yards and one interception.

Gibbs downplayed the possibility that Campbell's absence would be a setback for the third-year quarterback and the Redskins' offense.

"He has an opportunity to see Todd go in and Mark go in," Gibbs said. "What it does is get other guys more work. How that would encumber the offense? We'll just have to wait and see."

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about that long double post there. Mixing in that double move to give Carlos some practice.

Posted by: cdubb | August 19, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

OK I may hafta eat my words next week...but is anyone else sick of Janso's "PITT and Ravens really know how to run a camp" BS!!!!!

Last night the "2 a day can't wait to hit somebody" Steelers were sloppy and hardly ferocious

Tonight the Ravens are pathetic, sloppy, penalties all over the place. NBC said that Captain Snow Job Billick had some fire and brimstone speech about coming out strong tonight blah blah blah....whoops!!!!!!!!

Enough!!!! Just like the playoffs last year Ravens are ALL BLUSTER AND NO BITE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

F THE RAVENS, F THE STEELERS, F THE GIANTS


HAIL!

Posted by: chris larry | August 19, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

that shot eli took was pretty sweet. and clean.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins had two penalties in the first half last night! I like that.

Sorry Lisa but Brunell has got to go!

Hail!

Posted by: chris larry | August 19, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

i can't belee consheenshus is a word.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

According to PFT,

Billick called camp phenomenal. I wonder if he still thinks that.

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

So, if they hold to form, and JC is held out, Brunell will start against the Ravens. That's probably not the team I want to face without an etablished running game trying to show something positive to earn the #2 spot.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 19, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

their(bal) pass defense looks like skins pass d of '06

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

are the refs on roids or they using guns to shoot those yellow flags on the field?

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

and another sweet shot.

Posted by: littery | August 19, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Based on past history -- I believe the offensive line will perform much better during the regular season... First, they will have Chris Samuels back at left tackle. Second, the first team will play the entire game. And finally, the coaches will game plan against the opposing defense.

Posted by: siris | August 19, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Based on past history, a painful, shouting, late-October meeting where St. Joe reminds the Oline that he had hoped to have a running attack will be required.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 19, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So I switch to the NYG game just in time to see Lorenzen come in, and Al M. go through the list of nicknames -- the Hefty Lefty, the Pillsbury Throwboy...
Betcha he's thinking "oh, on national TV too -- thanks Al..."

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 19, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow Tiki is ripping LBM

Posted by: calebt17 | August 19, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

That's Tiki? I thought it was bobblehead.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Tiki just tossed LBM under the bus and rolled over him a few extra times for good measure. I was waiting for him to say the guy couldn't get 11 starving men into the Joe's Pizza and Pasta Buffet line.

Can't wait for Tiki to talk about Tom Coughlin's coaching skills.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | August 19, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow... I had the volume down. Now I'll have to rewind it to the half time portion so I can laugh. Thank God for DVRs. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | August 19, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The G Men don't look good at all. The D don't look good against the run

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 08:29 PM

Not to knit pick, but I believe the corrrect wording in the second sentence is "doesn't look good...." NOT, "don't look good...."

carry on....

Posted by: Webster | August 19, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Webster, does "smack to the back of your damn head" work for you or do I need to go past pluperfect subjunctive on your copy of Strunk and White?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | August 19, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

See I really was trying all weekend to play nice. To be positive. Yes Webster you are correct. But guess what? I don't give SJK. Reaching under my desk. Pulling out three hammers. Triple smack to the back of your damn head. Now shut the hell up! SJK.

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

jm -- that was a lot scarier before I found out they were fisher-price hammers.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 19, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Double Move is hosting welcome back party for Smoot at - get this - "Spank Wednesdays". Can't have a party for Fred without some Spankin'.

http://www.eviplist.com/newsletter/1223.htm

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Webster, I actually think you are incorrect...so you are telling us that:

"The G Men doesn't look good" is proper English??? Read it....repeat it out loud...then report back....

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Carlos has found his new best good friend in Smootie. Those 2 have been joined at the hip since Smoot returned to town.

Posted by: JustMe | August 19, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Just what smoot needs another tail hook opportunity.

Posted by: Stumped | August 19, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

shouldn't the smoot's party be held on The Dandy?

Is it still plying the waters of the Potomac?

Posted by: Stumped | August 19, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Score one for Stumped. I'll call in the reservation

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | August 19, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Keep Smoot away from boats. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 19, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay,
So, all you can tell from the NYG BAL game is that Baltimore has a tough defense (right, Captain Obvious) and that the Giants are kind of a mess, now a mess with injuries.

i guess the scrubs are in there now.

Posted by: Stumped | August 19, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

An Onion Classic

"It may have commercial applications"

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 19, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Lisa....the second sentence. The first sentence is correct.

Posted by: Webster | August 19, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Madden just picked 'Skins fourth in the division "going in to the season." Basically said that the division is the same, Eagles, Girls, Giants, Skins.

Way to go out on a limb, Madden.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 19, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Madden is really brain dead if he thinks this Giants team is better than the Redskins.

He might be right about Philadelphia being the team to beat in the NFC East, but please.


Posted by: Stumped | August 19, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Well, the almighty John Madden just predicted the NFC East will end up in this order: Eagles, Cowboys, Giants and Redskins on the bottom. Can someone tell me what he saw tonight that makes him think the Giants are better than we are?

Posted by: Lisa | August 19, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show you that most talking heads just look at what you've done lately and look no farther.

I was amazed to see how many NFC East teams are playing on Sunday night. Isn't it suppose to be a weak division?

Posted by: Stumped | August 19, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

btw, it's "nitpick," not "knit pick."

Ironic, really.

Posted by: farstriker | August 19, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Man/woman of a thousand identities do you need a hug? This is a blog. People are typing fast and posting quickly. No one is submitting posts as master's theses.

If you want to really impress, instead of correcting people why don't you tell us where in DSM IV to find the diagnosis for people who like to be SJKs to strangers on the internet.

Posted by: LH | August 19, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been here since May-ish and Jasno made perfect sense to me... I didn't even blink.

my first post ever was way back in pre-season last year ripping Jasno on his horrible spelling and lack of pride in his work. A fellow blogger corrected me, I was defensive at first, but later humbled into submission of JLC.

Posted by: Dorf | August 19, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, LH, I was just having fun with Webster's "correct wording" 9:56 post.

Correcting the corrector is always funny.

Plus the whole idea of correcting writing foibles/peccadilloes on JASNO's blog is silly, of course. . . .

That's all. Chalk it up to being chipper after a good game. Go Skins!

Posted by: farstriker | August 19, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You try typing with a hammer and see how great your freakin' spelling is then, smart guy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 19, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

yellow + blue = green

Posted by: | August 19, 2007 07:19 PM

Thanks, wasn't to sure about that one.

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I punch my keyboard with my finger tips, Human Weapon style.

Not as cool and Tony dictating his posts to Cyndy... but he probably can't kill people with his dictating skills.

Posted by: Dorf | August 20, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure it was ME who coined the term 'Jasno' up here. A rare, small moment of glory.

Perhaps MV Dame could look it up and confirm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I coined Man Boobs... anyone still call him that?

Posted by: Dorf | August 20, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

He's trimmed down a little so maybe now he's just got side boobs (I learned that one last night courtesy of TDawg).

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Dorf - welcome back. You in school yet? The kiddies come tomorrow for me. . . woo!

I thought maybe Man Boobs wouldn't be appropriate with all the weight loss but watching the Titans game I concluded it is absolutely still okay only now we may say more often with affection than derision.

Posted by: sfskin | August 20, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

So since I've edged onto this blog after just reading it for a long time, let me add some words from glory days of yore, to brighten up a late night.

This was from a Denver newspaper article after Super Bowl XXII (it's always fun to hear the lamentations on the other side). I carried it around in my wallet for years:

"The Redskins ground the Broncos into the shimmering green turf of Jack Murphy Stadium like grapes beneath the toes of pachyderms."

The article pithily summed things up from the Broncos' perspective:

"The second quarter was a new experience in pain."

Ah, good times. May we experience them again.

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Madden may have made his predictions based on nothing but the news coming out of camps etc. I think a lot of people still think LBM is the real deal despite little evidence.

Whatever - I'm happy to be on the low expectations list for anyone and everyone cause it only means we can go up.

Posted by: sfskin | August 20, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

My real contribution to the blog is probably my high non-redskin related comments percentage. It's towers at an unsightly 83%.

Posted by: Dorf | August 20, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Seems like there are a few more smiling faces after the game this weekend. Good to see!

Glad to hear that Rocky is killing it, hopefully he can keep it up!

I'd like to see our offense get some semblance of a running game.
And even though the defense has looked good, I'd still like to see an extra sack or two, and an INT.

Not complaining though, very happy with the progress we've shown.

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Actually, tomorrow is my first teacher work day... The kiddies come next Tuesday. Have a great year sfskin. May your Monday morning QBing be conspicuous and always at the expense of our future generation's education.

Posted by: Dorf | August 20, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Welcome, farstriker, and welcome back, El Dorfo. Damn, I love this blog.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Thx, Nate. A pleasure and an honor.

Dorf and sfskin, good luck and have fun with the kids this year.

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2007 12:34 AM | Report abuse

LMGO @ LH!!!! LOL! i only read your response to whatever you were responding to (ann comments)...i guess it was farstriker...
too too funny...

madden's playing it safe at 90 years of age...if he goes out on a limb and is wrong everyone'll think he's lost it. this way atleast he has company, like the rest of the world minus us of course.

Posted by: littery | August 20, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Still no Redcoat? That's a shame, it seems pretty harmonius in here today!

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I swear I put that 'o' in there!

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

*****Soccer post*****

*****Flashing lights*****

Kost did you see that SJK Jens Lehmann pulled. *%S^@J#+K

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

That's both games now! They'd have to look at Aluminium Man now wouldn't they??

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

okay you movie buffs...i was watching inside man after a long time (6 months). and towards the end when clive owen gets in the car he says "no, i left it in there". why did he leave it in there? and where is "in there"? my dvr got stuck after that point...

Posted by: littery | August 20, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Ha, speaking of which, have you seen Bacary Sagna's hair? Holy SJK! He played a good game but Holy SJK!

I've always enjoyed the aluminum/aluminium/almunia debate.

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Im just gonna throw this out there cuz i dont have time to keep up with everyones posts. BUt....

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!!! HAIL VICTORY!!!!!!!
BRAVES ON THE WARPATH!!!!
FIGHT!!! FOR OL DC!!!

Holy hell folks!! I just saw the 2nd preseason game and the D was lookin good. Damn good. Just wait, Cambell is gonna put up some big numbers this year..The man is accurate as hell!! Not one pass was off target and all the recievers had an easy time catching the ball. The offense will be fine i believe. More specifically the OL. I was worried from all the sacks and low run avg, but i saw them effectively move down the field on a great D. AH.............Its good to be a fan....

HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | August 20, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Katt Williams is SOOOOOO WRONG!!!!!! LMGO!

on one of hbo channels on now...

Posted by: littery | August 20, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Can't remember off the top of my head lg, sorry mate.

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

He stands out like dogs balls!

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

A diamond ring.

Dalton Russell/Clive Owen leaves it in there to help Detective Frazier/Denzel track down the truth behind the bank's founder, cuz the ring is traceable back to a Jew who died in a camp.

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

That's the one! Nice work farstriker!

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

kost, SMACK, for the thousandth time, it's spelled 'adamantium.' Dorks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse

And d'ja see who's in the car with him? The older Jewish man from among the bank hostages! Maybe the ring came from one of his relatives! (Or so I like to think.)

It all fits snug like one of AHC Al Saunders' plays!

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2007 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Aluminium Head Coach Al Saunders?

Aluminium = Al ?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

One of my favorite headlines of all time "President Adamant...(I forget the rest, but it was in the Post, late 80's.) I had a terrible hangover but was relieved to learn that Adam Ant was president.

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

I can't cry foul on the movie spoiler since that movie Inside Man is like two years old, but thanks all the same, you chooches.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Not a spoiler Nate, just a side note I guess.

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

And Rosebud is a sled.

(Recalling the classic Peanuts strip of about 40 years ago--Lucy ruins it for Linus.)

Posted by: farstriker | August 20, 2007 1:41 AM | Report abuse

At the Beavers game last night, one of the visiting 51s had the almost unbelievable first name "Choo".

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 20, 2007 1:44 AM | Report abuse

49ers was taken?

Posted by: kost52 | August 20, 2007 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Actually watched BQ play. He was pretty impressive considering he's been in camp for about a week. The second drive was 92-yds with 1:58 and no TOs. That's good no matter who you're up against.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Madden
picking the redskinetts last place is like puting your money in CDs VERY SAFE!

Posted by: Redskinetts r Pretenders as usual | August 20, 2007 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis, who sat out a second straight preseason game because of a bothersome knee. "I always feel safer on the sideline."

LMGO! You damn (SJK) keep your a** on the sideline until the 9th. Make sure JC is standing right beside you.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"11 Hurt During Filming of Cruise Movie

BERLIN, Aug 20, 2007 (AP Online via COMTEX) -- Eleven extras were injured when they fell out of a truck during filming of a new movie starring Tom Cruise, police said Monday.

The 11 were taken to hospital as filming stopped on the movie, provisionally titled "Valkyrie," which stars Cruise as Germany's most famous anti-Hitler plotter, Col. Claus Graf Schenk von Stauffenberg.

Police said in a statement that a bolt on a side panel of the truck apparently came loose as the vehicle turned.

The accident happened during filming of scenes around the Finance Ministry in Berlin, which was once the Nazis' aviation ministry.

Cruise's casting has attracted controversy in Germany because the actor is one of the best-known adherents of Scientology, which the German government considers a commercial enterprise that takes advantage of vulnerable people.

"

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | August 20, 2007 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Slow morning.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"the German government considers Scientology a commercial enterprise that takes advantage of vulnerable people." These are the people who brought us the holocaust, and they're down on Scientology?

Lisa,

I think what Madden saw last night that led him to pick the Giants over the 'Skins was an offense: the Giants showed one last night and the 'Skins are still working on theirs.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

KK a QB that fumbles without even being hit really shows signs of a offense. There D couldn't stop the run.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

And don't forget about the 20 flags that were thrown in the first half.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Two good things about Campbell's injury:

1. It's not serious and he should be ready for the opener.

2. It will most likely keep him out of the next game against the blitz happy Baltimore Ravens. So he won't take a bunch of unnecessary hits.

Hope Marcus is going to be ok. With Rocky, Marcus, and Fletcher, we may have the best LB crew in the NFL.

Posted by: Max | August 20, 2007 8:46 AM | Report abuse

jm220--

Neither team has shown much so far, but it's not unreasonable for Madden to pick the Giants over the 'Skins. Manning was 10 for 13 for 114 yards and the Giants had 298 yards of offense. The 'Skins? 229 yards of offense. Their longest run was six yards.

An offense that can't run the ball or put points on the board in the preseason is dubious. Based on what we've seen so far, it looks like the 'Skins will lose a lot of games by low scores like 10-7, 13-3, etc.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Of all of the guys that played in the 3rd and 4th quarters DE Chris Wilson impressed me the most. They had to hold him double team him and whack him in the head a few times to stop him from getting to the QB. Could he end up coming in as a roll playing pass rushing DE for us?

Posted by: Max | August 20, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Max,

It's not a good thing if Campbell is out of the game Saturday. He needs to learn to handle the blitz, and it would be better if he learned in preseason. Don't you think the 'Skins will face the blitz in the regular season?

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Neither team has shown much so far

KK I will agree that neither team has shown much on the O side of the ball. However, since I am in Jerz. I watch all of the G Men games and listen to the Skins game on XXX. Our D seems to be way better than theirs.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

jm220--

I like our D, bunches. They've made great strides, more than I was expecting or hoping for.

But, I like the Giants O, at least over ours. Manning had a 128 QB rating last night. Their O line stepped up, and they had a running game. And they did it against one of the best D's in the league.

I'm glad we don't have their injury problems, though.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Following Saturday's game, Joe Gibbs indicated that Pucillo had played himself into the mix for the starting job at left guard.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, why does the NFL insist on continuing to risk injury to it's players by maintaining this ridiculous pre-season schedule? I don't see how it benefits anyone!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 20, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, why does the NFL insist on continuing to risk injury to it's players by maintaining this ridiculous pre-season schedule? I don't see how it benefits anyone!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 20, 2007 09:16 AM


Easy answer there man. Money in the owners pockets charging full price for tix as a regular game along with concessions, parking, etc.

Glad to see Eli can play ok in the preseason. Once the real games start he will revert back to the deer in headlights we all have come to know. I am way more comfortable having Campbell long term than a QB making his fame on his last name.

Posted by: cdubb | August 20, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Jon....

The preseason benefits the owners and that's it. They get to charge full price for 2 extra games in their season ticket plans plus get all the TV ad money. It's all about economics, literally.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 20, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Something positive to focus on: (and I hate to call out a regular, but would love to hear from Nate on this). Laron Landry, could we have made a better pick at 6? This kid could be Def. Rookie of the year. I was at the game Sat. and he is a BEAST. He still has a lot to learn about where he needs to be but man his size and speed was overwhelming. We had a lot of regulars wanting Jamal Anderson or Okoye. We made a great pick in L2. He and Mac52 will be a blast to watch!

Posted by: C2 | August 20, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

KK,

Have you forgotten that Campbell was injured early in this game? He had a very nice drive going and if he had stayed in the game we probably would have had more yardage - and more points.

Eli played longer than Campbell and the Giants only scored what 12 points - 2 more than the Skins?

Posted by: Lisa | August 20, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, why does the NFL insist on continuing to risk injury to it's players by maintaining this ridiculous pre-season schedule? I don't see how it benefits anyone!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 20, 2007 09:16 AM

To get the players into game shape and to see which players have lost it, which players still have it, and which rookies can contribute. It allows the coaches to try new things.

The preseason is not a new invention and it is much shorter now than it used to be. Do the owners make money off it? You bet, but that's what allows them to pay the players so well.

What do you propose? That the players show up on a Monday and play their first game the following Sunday?

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, why does the NFL insist on continuing to risk injury to it's players by maintaining this ridiculous pre-season schedule? I don't see how it benefits anyone!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | August 20, 2007 09:16 AM

Cash Rules Everything Around Me. CREAM. Get the money. Dolla Dolla bill y'all.

- Ancient Wu-Tang proverb

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

We were lucky. Did you SEE the bloodbath that was the Giants game the other night? Yikes.

Posted by: C2 | August 20, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

What do you propose? That the players show up on a Monday and play their first game the following Sunday?

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 09:32 AM


Uh, scrimmages? Going eleven on eleven against your own team. Colleges, HS and little league teams seem to do OK without a pre-season schedule.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Uh, scrimmages? Going eleven on eleven against your own team. Colleges, HS and little league teams seem to do OK without a pre-season schedule.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 09:37 AM

Yes and people still get hurt. Its football folks, SJK happens...

Posted by: C2 | August 20, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

LH bringing the old school hip hop heat. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Is that a trick question? How could I forget that Campbell was injured? Collins replaced him and had a good outing -- he put up reasonable numbers, 10 of 13 for 74 yards.

The problem was that the 'Skins couldn't run the ball. They had 42 yards on 20 carries, and their longest run was six yards.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

But Campbell can throw the deep ball....I don't believe that Collins can.

I agree that our run game is dismal - hopefully that will improve when Portis and Samuels return.

Posted by: Lisa | August 20, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

seems to me we are a team with lots of depth....a good team overall, not great talent in lots of places but certainly good talent lots of places and the fall off between starter and backups is not much.

Posted by: Old School | August 20, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Mornin y'all.

Greetings from tha 305. It seems like things are comin' along how you'd expect. Yes the Washington injury is tricky. But with some new talent there too, by the time he's truly ready - lookout!

And as far as the pundits go - let 'em pick us last. I love it! Two years ago they picked us last all the way to Seattle where we coulda won that one too!

Remember - "there's a fine line between cleverness & stupidity".

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle | August 20, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle --

Last year they picked us last, too.

Look, Dik, the idea is to show enough talent and promise that they pick you first. Only a Dik could take comfort in being picked last.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Ksquared, what's wrong buddy? Rough start to the mornin'?

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the "experts" pickin the skins last. How often are they actually right? Let everybody overlook the skins. It will be even more sweet when we shock the world!!

Posted by: nah | August 20, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

LH, You know, I was asking myself the same thing. I try to be more tolerant on RI, but this "everything-bad-is-good" line of reasoning has me stumped. Whatever happened to "bad is bad and good is good?" I think I'll go out and hope it passes.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Does Espys' injury (poor guy) mean Pinkston can legitimately compete for a spot?"

Not unless he has had a miraculous recovery from his injuries. If KC releases Priest Holmes expect the Redskins to consider getting his services.

The offensive line looks like it is still having serious problem still. Wade could end up at right tackle when Samuels comes back. The guard position is still up in the air.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Kk - I'm not even sure you're makin' sense there, buddy.

You weren't thinking the Spurrier pre- season was good, we're ya?! I believe the skins have done well as underdogs. Les'see - everyone thought Miami had us in '83.. Everyone thought Buffalo had us ... everyone thought the Broncs had us too. I like our records there...

Sleepers, buddy. Sleepers.

Kk - you sound more like a Dallas fan to me anyway...

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

A friend of mine mentioned yesterday that LT (v2.0 in SD, not oldschool NY) has a clause in his contract stating he doesn't play in the preseason. Is this for real? I haven't had time to catch any Chargers highlights, so I can't confirm. Anybody have any knowledge?

Posted by: D7 | August 20, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

D7 - I don't think it's written in, but he's only played 14 snaps in preseason his whole career. They just don't risk him, and trust him to be ready. Guess it works.

Posted by: nah | August 20, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ksquared, what's wrong buddy? Rough start to the mornin'?

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 10:02 AM


I know right. Maybe he just needs a hug. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I like that they're considering Blades to replace Washington for a bit. Would love to see him play some more! :)

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

LT doesnt play in preseason......

Priest?! Bring him on.....he can be WR #2

I love underdog status...any fool can see when were hyped we suck when under the radar were scrappy! no brainer there....

Posted by: chris larry | August 20, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Werd, CL

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

10-6 baby! Mark my word.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow... All I can say is Thank God JC leg didn't snap like Theisman (when LT hit him in almost the same way)...

I went up to see the Nat's and Met's play Sat night and didn't want to know what happened until I watched the game on my DVR yesterday. But my Dad (Vikings fan) spilled the beans and said Jason Campbell got hit the knee bad in the 1st Qtr and didn't come back... I thought Bullsh$t! I swore he was SJK'ing with me... I said whatever your full of it... thats not a funny joke... Than he threw my the Sports section of the newspaper... My throat dropped into my stomach! Oh SJK! There it was right on the front page!!!! First thought, there goes the season, right down the sh$tter... F'in O Line must have flailed... Then I read and found out he escaped with a bruised knee! Unbelievable! That is a gift from God right there.... Holy Crap! (literally)

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow... All I can say is Thank God JC leg didn't snap like Theisman (when LT hit him in almost the same way)...

I went up to see the Nat's and Met's play Sat night and didn't want to know what happened until I watched the game on my DVR on Sunday. But my Dad (Vikings fan) spilled the beans and said Jason Campbell got hit hard just below the knee bad in the 1st Qtr and didn't come back... He said it looked bad! I thought Bullsh$t! I swore he was SJK'ing with me... I said whatever your full of it... thats not a funny joke... Than he threw me the Sports section of the newspaper... My throat dropped into my stomach! Oh SJK! There it was right on the front page!!!! First thought, there goes the season, right down the sh$tter... F'in O Line must have flailed... Then I read and found out he escaped with a bruised knee! Unbelievable! That is a gift from God right there.... Holy Crap! (literally)

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

New post please!!!!

What's the plan at guard now, is Gibbs serious that Wade is still the starter?

Wade = sucked against TN
Pucillo = played well against Pitt

of course that would mean that Wade is still the starter......wait what? This staff amazes me sometimes.

Posted by: Jack | August 20, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Jack go to redskins.com. Coach said that Pucillo played himself into the hunt for the starting job. If Wade doesn't look good this week my guess is that Pucillo will be the starter.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I sure hope so, I mean Casey Hampton is probably a top 3 DT and Pucillo more than held his own. Well that's to say it was his fault Campbell got hit. We still didn't run the ball.

Posted by: Jack | August 20, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

wasn't his fault i mean

Posted by: Jack | August 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

It was Keisel that hit JC in the knee. That was the Heyer's man... For some reason Heyer moved outside to block him and Keisel cut right inside of him (hardly touched) to get to JC. I'm not sure if Keisel faked outside and came back in or what but Heyer misread something...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I think overall the O-Line played much better... Especially in Pass protection... Still not playing with the power and push they need in the running game. They just can't seem to open open those holes/rushing lanes like last year... My guess (or maybe hope) is that this is still a chemistry issue with the left side, but there isn't much excuse for RT and JJ on the right side.

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

With a strong left-side, Campbell's natural poise will be ever so present in the pocket. Samuels will get back and take care of OUR guy. I mean, the guy completed a 30 yard pass, OVER THE MIDDLE because Brunell rarely did that, right before he got hit. I know relief is in the air because it wasn't serious, but man, what an F'ing arm and completion. BTW, god bless captain chaos

Destined #17

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | August 20, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

E I agree they played much better.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

We probably won't see too many deep balls thrown on offense until the regular season starts.

Who do you want holding on to that ball behind a shaky OL?

Let's start chris Larry until the Miami game.

Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Here are some positives about this season:

1) Despite the injuries, NO starter is scheduled to miss a REGULAR season game.

2) Defense looks good despite playing Griff in only goalline and nickel situations. Not many sacks, but pressure.

3) Offense starting to click despite the reshuffling of the left side of the line and no Portis.

For better or worse, no one knows how this team will look with all the starters in.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I corrected my typo, I meant it wasn't his fault. And the hit on JC wasn't Heyer's fault he knocked the guy down and gave him long enough to throw the pass. In my opinion, it was a cheap shot. The guy outta know better than to go low in the pre-season. It was SJK, I mean he's first string, its not like he's fighting for a roster spot and needs to make a play. I'm just saying, Carson Palmer, now JC, the Steeler's line is dirty!

Posted by: Jack | August 20, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

The Steelers have new coaches and different lineman. Palmer was in the playoffs, this is preseason. Can't say it was dirty. But certainly could have been avoided.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been able to actually watch them play yet because of my geographic disability, but the D sounds good.

But they really haven't faced a high powered offensive unit yet, have they?

With chris Larry starting at QB, I think the running game would improve greatly. Everyone knows he hasn't got much of an arm, so we'd probably see a lot of hand-offs. He would probably show some speed carrying the ball too, but we'd have to figure out a way to keep him running in the right direction. Maybe start The Reaper at full back.

just sayin

Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear Mike Patrick call Campbell by Williams (as in Doug)?

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I accept! Think Lorenzen only shorter, worse feet and slower.....

I love that dude....best Giant EVER!

Posted by: chris larry | August 20, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

pastabelly's scoop on the Gerald Warren trade: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2982669

That's right traded for a middle round pick to a team that begins with "R".

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"POSTED 10:58 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 11:16 a.m. EDT, August 20, 2007

DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER IN THE AFC WEST

Could the Apocalypse be approaching? If so, we definitely have a sign that we can point to.

The Denver Broncos and the Oakland Raiders have engaged in a trade.

Let's repeat that. The Denver Broncos and the Oakland Raiders have engaged in a trade.

Specifically, the Broncos have shipped defensive tackle Gerard Warren to the Raiders for an undisclosed pick in the 2008 draft.

The move is stunning, given the acrimony between these two franchise and, specifically, the abject hatred shared by Raiders owner Al Davis and Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. If anything, we would have expected to tension to increase with the recent hiring of former Raiders personnel guru Mike Lombardi by the Broncos. But perhaps it was Lombardi who was able to work his old connections there in order to make the trade happen.

Surely, a trade to the Raiders was the only option that the Broncos had. Even then, we're surprised that they didn't simply cut Warren in lieu of entering into a transaction with the Raiders.

"

Posted by: 4th via PFT.com | August 20, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I was impressed with how well Pucillo played at LG. I didn't expect that at all for a 2nd/3rd stringer... Should be intersting to see how Wade play this weekend abainst the Ravesn. If Pucillo beats out Wade for that spot and Samuels is back healthy, we could have 2 potential backups for Jansen if he doesn't hold up as the RT... Although - I don't know that the coaches would sit Jansen...

Hopefully, Bugel will get the most out Jansen and the rest of his Dirtbags... I don't think he'd be opposed to playing the best men out there - Regardless.

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Pucillo played good? I don't know about that.

The line coverage was the reson JC got hurt in the 1st place. It was between Pucillo and Heyer. Only Buges knows whose fault it was and they are hearing it this morning..........

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Well, on a positive note, all these injuries sure are making that earlier bye more and more attractive.

Posted by: D7 | August 20, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone hear Mike Patrick call Campbell by Williams (as in Doug)?

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 11:40 AM"

LMGO, I sure did... That was one of the many names he messed up... He was a mess! He called Leigh Torrence, D Brown after his great ST tackle. Said Holmes dropped a 20+yard sideline pass that was a blatant catch... He must've been hitting the JD before kick off or something... Although, I can't say its the first time I've heard him flail... He was getting bad right before ESPN dropped him... He's gotten close to being Pat Summerall-ish, but not nearly as old yet!

He had me laughing...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Bramlet's the only qb left on the falcons roster as of now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/news/story?id=2982212

Posted by: Dante | August 20, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

We should have held on to him for a draft pick...

We could have fleeced a 6th rounder from someone...

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ok, first my GF's bruther (stinkin' dallas fan) calls to tell me about Campbell and then Banger scares me into thinkin' we lost another pick!! eeek!

The poor gelatin in my veins ...

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

CL taking one for the team...I figure you'd buy Cambell's number just to confuse all the fans.

Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

After reading that Falcon story and then the tea leaves, I don't think Bramlet even makes the team.

Come on the guy ahead of you get carted off in the 4th quarter only for coach to re-insert the number two QB. Casey better get the World Bowl resume ready for Canada.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Dik,

Sorry for the foolin', actually hoping to get Ricky Bobby, but 4th posts the whole story.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

4th,
I agree, what a difference a week makes.

Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Looking at JC's injury again - it was a dirty play. DE first stumbled after getting past the o-line, but then he regains his balance and lunges right at JC's legs. He could have easily lunged at his waist instead. Fine should be forthcoming.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8019acdd

The best look is at 48 seconds.

Posted by: CMoney | August 20, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

This guy makes picking Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook, and Gardner Rod look like draft steals.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2981439

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Four hours. Four hours its taken me to catch up since Friday night. Bloggerific everyone! Good work!

I have no value to add re: comments about the defense, except that Rogers seemed (again) to have another on/off game -- some flashes of brilliance, some splashes of flatulence. Fletcher, on the other hand, is the proverbial real deal. Best. Money. Spent. In. Free. Agency. Yet. Both Benberger and Batch had to eat some of Fletcher's face mask. LOVE Fletcher. Also have everyone else's fears re: Washington. Will miss his LB/DE hybridness and tempo. With Fletcher as the brain stem and Marcus as the heartbeat, the D is fire.

Peeps here still giving Heyer the bene of the doubt and keeping the love away from Pucillo. From my angle, it looked like the Pitt knee bruiser was Heyer's assignment and Heyer was standing up. Also, he doesn't move his feet as much as other O-linemen. I know he comes with damaged goods on his knee, but if he doesn't keep moving his feet, he's going to end up with an Espy-like foot plant that will rebust his knee.

Biggest fear is the continuing absence of a running game, esp. of the middle. Are the coaches just holding back on the running game (like holding back on the whole offense last season)? To me, it seems like it just isn't there. Why is Betts getting pulled so early, esp. after such dismal gains?

I don't feel like talking about the #2 QB competition -- its like having to decide between Pabst and Schlitz.

The preseason is THE season for the guys who play in the second half. My second half game balls go to Chris Wilson (DE) and John Eubanks (CB). Also, Eubanks seems to be the one who benefits from Espy going to IR. Eubanks has some solid ST return game stats from college. Showed some good aggression, esp. against the straight arm. Wilson also got some good penetration. Buzbee, not so much. K. Jones also a question mark. Not very impressed with McAddley or Berman either, who the coaches seemed to have wanted to step up.

Nate, the Las Vegas 51s, is that b/c they're not playing with a full deck?

Finally, on Gregg Williams -- boobs or no boobs -- can we confirm that he is coming off a bad cold? I've never seen so much snot come out of one man's nose in so short a period of time. Props (or anti-props) to the cameraman keeping us focused on Coach Boogeyman.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

CMoney- not sure I agree. While I'd be the first to go for Keisel's head if I'm on our O-Line, it looks more like the guy stumbles-losing control- then gives his last effort in a dive to get as much of JC as possible (as opposed to just landing at his feet). Then again, it IS preseason and it's not like Keisel's job is in jeopardy.

Posted by: D7 | August 20, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Sween, how can you say it was Heyer's fault when you didn't know what the protection scheme was?

It could have been easily pucillo's fault. Look at the tape again. There was an OLB the was acting as if he was blitzing, which could have been Heyer's responsibility. And Pucillo ended up double teaming the NT when he could haev easily reached and blocked Keisel (you're speaking to a former Olineman here).

It all depends on what blocking scheme was called, and like I said about that earlier, Buges will handle it.......

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

CMoney,

Thanks for the post. Fantastic video. I don't agree, however. I'm more in tuned with D7's point of view. If he hits JC at the waist, no 15-yarder. The penalty is for the location of the hit, not the timing of the hit.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Patrick also called Moss....Lloyd. Campbell completed a pass to Moss and Patrick said...."Pass completed to Lloyd" or something like that.

Posted by: Lisa | August 20, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I think it is disgraceful the way the front office has managed things. Everyone and the mother says that Jason Cambell is the future of the franchise.

So how can the front office and the redskins organization say that but do not put thier money where their mouth is...How can you pronounce someone as the future of the franchise and not take precuations to protect that star?

I always thought our OL was a little suspect even with the great stats from last year. I can understand letting Dockery go - that was a lot of money for someone with his talent. Yet, I thought they would do something to replace him. Sign an affordable veteran. I was hoping for them to spend some money to get a star like Eric Steinbach or Kris Dielman. I was glad that we didn't spend big $ on Leonard Davis. However, it seems sort of ridiculous to me that we would try to fill the hole with a mis-matched bunch. Trying to get Wade to play guard? That would be fine if he was on 2nd team but not to if he is going to start. Try an undrafted OL out of Maryland? Why not use the supplemental draft to get that guy out of MD that the Ravens drafted? It just seems insincere to me to say someone is the futur eof the organization but not take the necessary precautions such as having adequate players to gaird his blindside. Thank goodness JC is not seriously hurt. But we want to develop him and not have himd be shell-shocked. Therefore, we need

Posted by: C'mon | August 20, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

4th, you could be right. I'm just saying what it looked like to me. Sellers has the blitzing linebacker. Pucillo WAS blocking somebody. Heyer didn't have hands on anybody and seemed to be watching Keisel slip by. I don't know if they still call "clipping" as a penalty (doesn't seem like they do anymore), but seemed like Heyer at least should have pushed him down (like the Bengal lineman did when Kimo von O hit Carson Palmer).

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm with dc on this. It's Heyer's "ole" to the inside move that lets Kiesel free. There may be an outside backer but Betts is protecting the right side for the safety blitz that I got to say it was Heyer's responsibility. But maybe Pooch was supposed to help out.

Either way it is the worst case scenario almost coming to fruition: Blitz with the safety on the right and have the blind side whiff and the franchise QB go down in a heap of hurt only to miss the season.

What wonderful news that its only a bruise!

Can't see them set that scenario up again against B-more.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Sellers went to that side to block.

The left side was...

TE LT LG

The TE went out on a passing pattern and there was LB on the TE's outside shoulder that showed blitz, but didn't. He would have had a direct path to the QB, but he then dropped back in coverage. The rookie FA LT then try to come back, but was too late. The LG was doubling someone that Rabach had by himself.

I guess it just showed the left side wasn't experinced at picking up whose coming and whose not. Pittsburgh has one of the best defensive packages in the game....

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Pucillo played good? I don't know about that.

The line coverage was the reson JC got hurt in the 1st place. It was between Pucillo and Heyer. Only Buges knows whose fault it was and they are hearing it this morning..........

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 11:53 AM"


4th... That's a good point. Maybe Heyey and Pucillo were supposed to shift to the left and Pucillo didn't thus leaving the hole for Keisel... Although, I don't know why the would shift on a pass play especially when there was nobody to the left for Heyer to block on the shift... ?

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Bramlet's the only qb left on the falcons roster as of now.

Posted by: Dante | August 20, 2007 11:56 AM


"The loss of Shockley could force Atlanta to try to acquire another veteran quarterback, which was a possibility even before the injury. The Journal-Constitution reported that the Falcons had earlier inquired about the availability of Philadelphia backup Kelly Holcomb, who is a long shot to make the Eagles' roster because of a crowded depth chart."

BRUNELL -> FALCONS


Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

D7 and Bang --

I agree he stumbles - at first - but then he is able to load up his legs and jump at JC. It's not like he was blocked into JC or stumbled into him even. When he leaps, he goes for JC's legs instead of his waist (Bang - that's my point....going for the waist is the clean play there).

Anyways, thank the lucky stars that none of this really matters.

Posted by: Cmoney | August 20, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Brunel is going nowhere! Do you think Atlanta would waste a pick to pry Brunell's dead arm out from Joe's fingers or wait for an available Holcomb?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

One would think there would be an update on this site by now....oh well :(

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Question (I really don't know the answer to this, its not rhetorical), have we heard whether the Skins offered a 6th or 7th round pick for Gaither (i.e., the Ravens got him w/ a 5th round pick b/c no one else pegged him in the 5th round)?

Also, to the FO-bashers who wanted Gaither, any thoughts on how THAT 6'9" 350 pound tackle would be doing a better job at GUARD than the 6'8" 315 pound tackle that the Skins have been trying to get to fit there? [This question IS rhetorical.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Listening to the Redskins Lunch show and there discussing ESPY going down and the fact that there may not being anyone really worth a roster spot for the #5 receiver spot...

My thoughts: Our biggest need at WR is size especially for those Redzone jump balls. Our only option there is really Cooley... right? Not so fast...This reminded me of something the Skins did in Gibbs first year. I don't recall how long or how much they tried it, but do you remember when they used The Reaper as a Receiver for the Red Zone-Touchdown pass plays... Why not throw him in there again as a WR to get those jumpballs in the back of the end zone... If this guy really is a freak of an athlete, why the heck not make use of him for RedZone, TD passes! I think they seriously should consider it... Besides Cooley, is B Lloyd going to emerge as a possible threat there... maybe Thrash...? I say give Taylor a shot!

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"I'm just saying what it looked like to me. Sellers has the blitzing linebacker. Pucillo WAS blocking somebody. Heyer didn't have hands on anybody and seemed to be watching Keisel slip by."

- dcsween

Apparently they haven't decided who is going to replace Washington in the upcoming preseason game.

Here's my guess as to what they will do. They will hold back Campbell from the exhibition and instead play Palmer more.
Until the offensive line "congeals". They appear to be having a lot of trouble communicating with each other on blitzes. In terms of who is assigned to handle which guys. This requires chemistry which they do not seem to have yet? Kind of scary.
This will be the last Wade at guard experiment game. If it doesn't pan out he returns to tackle and may push Jansen. By many accounts he is better than Jansen. I think they are going to stick with Samuels, with Heyer as his understudy. Pucillo may win the guard position. He is valuable because he also plays center. But I think they need to find a better guard.

I guess we can safely assume that Gibbs/FO told the Falcons NO when it came to Brunell. But I still think that may still happen if Collins keeps playing better than MB. For that to happen Palmer would have to step up. And MB is the perfect choice for the Falcons given their current predicament. Vick might never return to football. So, next year they draft a QB again. Bet they wish they had kept Matt Schaub.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Cmoney,

Was it low? yeah. But he could have gone lower. I think he tries to hit him as high as he could. [which in my estimation is mid-thigh]

If the nfl fines him I have no gripe with that. But as far as intent - which is impossible to judge - I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

'sween,

I thought that the way the supplemental draft worked was that the 'Skins couldn't offer a 6th or 7th until after the fifth round was completed. They could have got him in the 5th, but didn't.

Maybe he wouldn't be a good guard, but they need a backup tackle, or maybe a starter to replace Jansen.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Stumped's turban. Paging Stumped's turban.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"used The Reaper as a Receiver for the Red Zone-Touchdown pass plays... Why not throw him in there again as a WR to get those jumpballs in the back"

Like the great Darell Green he has lousy hands. I suspect you may see Priest Holmes in a Redskins uniform. He could play receiver and he knows this offense. Like the other 2 veteran WR Pinkston & Bradford they brought into camp he hasn't seen action in a year. So, its not like they wouldn't give him a shot. The difference is he was able to play at a much higher level than they ever were in this offense. He was a touchdown machine. Herm Edwards may not know what to do with him, but I suspect that Al Saunders will.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I love that some of you are actually talking about the intricacies of football. That's why it's the best game in the world. 11 men on both sides of the ball, each with distinct jobs and adjustments to make in real time...the most complex sport known to man.

I for one agree with 4th. It actually could have been Campbell's fault for not identifying the correct LB, Rabach's fault for not making the correct o-line call, Pucillo's fault for not identifying the rush and sliding, or Heyer's fault for not staying with him. If I had to guess, I'd say it was Heyer who just didn't finish the block. I would also say it was a hustle play and not intended to be dirty at all.

However, this is why we really need Samuels back and getting reps. I don't want a rusty LT trying to stop Jason Taylor in week 1. I just hope Jansen's reps can clean up his shoddy play.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | August 20, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting something faint...Jasno is still in la la land because of the Ravens game...and the cocktails on the day off.

Prediction: new post withing, say, 90 minutes, but I warn you it may be a lame one.

Posted by: Stumped (wearing turban) | August 20, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

KK, I think the way the supplemental draft works is that every team makes "bids" for all the players they want, including the round in which the team is willing to forfeit its pick, and all the bids have to be submitted by a fixed deadline. The NFL then just opens up all the envelopes and calls the guys/teams who got picked and in what round, i.e. not alot of work for the league.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Periculum...

Easy.. make a$$ catch 50 balls a day... him and Double Move can play catch... Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. I recall Taylor holding onto the ball when he's had a chance to pick one off...

What's this I've see about Priest Holmes coming to DC... That seems far fetched to me... that they would let him go especially w/out getting LJ back. I'm sure they'll come to terms with LJ, but just saying, how is that possiblity? and play him at WR?

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Falcons will sign Priest Holmes to be their QB. Doesn't he have a grandmother from Atlanta?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think they keep Tyler Ecker. They really don't have anyone to replace Cooley. If Cooley goes down they are screwed. The 49'ers are in a great situation with Vernon Davis and their new corp of wide outs. But if he goes down. Same with the 'Skins.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

peri, re: WR depth, seems like the Skins are trying out LOTS of their guys and Pinkston & Bradford are just 2 names in the mix. Ryan Hoag (a former Mr. Irrelevant) had that long catch and it looked like they were giving Burl Toler lots of reps. With Espy down and out, it might just be a question of "what ELSE can you do" (i.e., special teams) that makes the decision on who gets the #5 spot.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Two words for WR...Key Shawn

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | August 20, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Sween--

I can't believe it would work that way. What if a team wants two players in, say, the fourth round? Their pick would depend on what happened in the first three rounds. Further, they may want a different player in the fifth round depending who they got in the fourth round. It would be a bit of a chore for 32 teams to write out all the conditionals and then for the league office to reach an equilibrium with complex bidding instructions.

But, I really don't know the answer.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

DC,

Thanks for bringing sanity back to the blog. The 'skins are looking for a fifth wideout. That guy better know how to tackle and play through pain becuz he will be seeing the field on teams only.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Robert Fergunson has been released from the PAckers, I believe.....

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The TE (formerly known as H-back) depth behind Cooley is Yoder (solid), Eric Edwards (good game against the Titans), and Pete Schmitt (on paper a FB, but viable as TE). I think Jake Nordin is DONE based on that one fumble alone. Tyler Ecker only survives if he gets an injury that makes him eligible to hide out on the IR list. Pulled groin doesn't seem like enough, either for the IR list or a roster spot.

RECEIVING tight end? Only Yoder. Replacement for Cooley? Nobody ... available ... in the NFL. Cooley is effectively the #2 receiver.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Priest Holmes could become the Republican nominee for President. Or an astronaut. Or a figure skater.

Seriously, pass the dutchie.

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Supplemental Draft

In late summer, the NFL also holds a Supplemental Draft to accommodate players who did not enter the regular draft because they thought they still had academic eligibility to play college football. Draft order is determined by a weighted system that is divided into three groupings. First come the teams that had six or fewer wins last season, followed by non-playoff teams that had more than six wins, followed by the 12 playoff teams. In the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, RB Tony Hollings was taken by the Houston Texans in the second round of the Supplemental Draft in 2003; thus, in the 2004 NFL Draft, the Texans forfeited a second-round pick.)


Courtesy of Google/Wikipedia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

From wiki about the/]...

Supplemental Draft

In late summer, the NFL also holds a Supplemental Draft to accommodate players who did not enter the regular draft because they thought they still had academic eligibility to play college football. Draft order is determined by a weighted system that is divided into three groupings. First come the teams that had six or fewer wins last season, followed by non-playoff teams that had more than six wins, followed by the 12 playoff teams. In the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, RB Tony Hollings was taken by the Houston Texans in the second round of the Supplemental Draft in 2003; thus, in the 2004 NFL Draft, the Texans forfeited a second-round pick.)

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Good post E!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

" ... What if a team wants two players in, say, the fourth round? Their pick would depend on what happened in the first three rounds. Further, they may want a different player in the fifth round depending who they got in the fourth round. ..."

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 01:18 PM

KK, I'd have to do some more intergoogling to be taken seriously on this, but first, I don't think that there are that many players who go in the supplemental draft. The purpose of the supplemental draft is to provide an opportunity for guys who were not eligible for the draft when it happened, and won't be eligible for college ball in fall. Second, if a team wants two players in the fourth round ... the team needs to actually have two fourth round picks ... and then assign one guy to one spot and the other guy the other spot. I don't think the supplemental draft is like a "mini-draft" -- flow charts and conditions are sort of out the window, mostly b/c the pool of players is so small. If anybody knows more about this, please jump right in.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

You're right and I'm wrong -- teams do submit a bid. So, I don't know how they work it out if they wanted to follow a complex bidding strategy on two or more players. I guess the answer is that no one ever wants to do that. Only 38 players have been chosen in the supplemental draft since 1977.

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Smack,

I belive Priest is a dem. BTW, Cashew Chicken #2!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't want to alarm anyone, but according to the play-by-play, the longest pass play of the night was the 36 yarder by Ryan Hoag ... from Brunell.

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

KK,

That's right. IF you want two player from the supplemental draft, your FO is f'd up. SJK

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben--

My point exactly! I've read often enough on this very blog that the Redskins FO is f'd up. Wouldn't you love to see the bids they submitted?

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

KK, if the Skins FO submitted a 6th round bid for Gaither (and the Ravens hadn't submitted their 5th), a third of this blog would say "wasting picks again!", a third would say "awesome steal! we don't feel so bad that Samuels is hurt!" ... and the remaining third would say "first".

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Very impressive Bangkokben. Shame about your boy McBride. Great season so far, Spurs and Man U both stink.

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

My guess would be that there were no bids. I know that there is a significant minority that wanted the 'skins to take Gaither - now; but no one called for it before hand. If they did, I might allow the whining. They only called for keeping all the picks.

Still griping about Ducketingus. However, we may get a consilation pick next year for losing Dockery.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

sween,

You've got it down perfectly. Well almost perfectly. The first third would have said "wasting f*ing (SJK) picks again!"

Posted by: KK | August 20, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Um, I mean McBride is fine! I'd start him every week.

Posted by: SMACK | August 20, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Smack,

I lose one player a week. I do feel bad for a stand up guy.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

my guess the 5th wr is on the roster now not comming from the outside. i might look to see who st lou, det or kc cut latter because we run the same offense.

Posted by: Old School | August 20, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

ignore this gratitutous post.

I've got less than 5 hours of sleep staring me in the face, best be off to bed.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 20, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"What's this I've see about Priest Holmes coming to DC... That seems far fetched to me... that they would let him go especially w/out getting LJ back. I'm sure they'll come to terms with LJ, but just saying, how is that possiblity? and play him at WR?"

E in VB and BangKokBen

They haven't even activated Priest Holmes yet! He has to stand on the sidelines and wait for Carl Peterson to get back from negotiations with Larry Johnson's agents! And Herm Edwards keeps telling him that they are going to take it slow. As I recall Gibbs brought Riggins back after a year absence activated him and took it slow. But the time the fifth game rolled around.

I think the Chiefs release the guy. He is barely on their depth chart and he is behind at least 3 players. Saunders should know what to do with the guy. And the guy has to trust Saunders, he made him into the closest thing to LT in San Diego. It seems to be a perfect match.

And BangkokBen. Think of it like going to a Pizza Hut in BangKok. No one here would believe that is one of the very best Thai food restaurants in town. Now would they? They might even go there expecting Pizza only to find they can't order it. Now wouldn't they? Hmmm?

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

1 Fletcher + 1 Smoot = 1 Dockery

Sorry, no compensatory pick for Dockery.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Priest Holmes in Kansas CIty is like Pizza Hut in Bangkok? SJK! I need some of whatever you are smoking!

Posted by: John Carney | August 20, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes teams don't bid gambling that the player won't be chosen. Then the player can be signed as FA.
Like I've said previously, 31 other teams including the Ravens passed on Heyer for 4 rounds and at least 20+ teams passed on him in the 5th. So the Skins' FO should not be criticized for not bidding higher for him. They had already signed as a FA a teammate who was rated better outside of his knee injury.

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

periculum,
You're playing with my mind.

Could you get an Arch Deluxe burger at the Pizza Hut in BangKok?


Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

periculum - Priest Holmes in 2003 or Priest Holmes in 2007? Seriously, there's only one thing you haven't mentioned about Holmes, his health. Do you really expect him to be healthy for a full season? And how effective will he be if healthy? 33-34 is pretty old for a RB nowadays in the NFL.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that last anon post was me...

Posted by: CC | August 20, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

How about a post or call to Cindy... something... Man, you're sleepin on the job...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Do you really expect him to be healthy for a full season? And how effective will he be if healthy? 33-34 is pretty old for a RB nowadays in the NFL."

Not as feature back no. But as a 3rd wide out? As someone who can come in, stretch the defenses and score? Yes. He's not any worst off than Shawn Springs. Or the other two "veteran" WR they brought into camp. And he has passed his physicals. Heyer had a problem with that with the Ravens and he is a lot younger.

The guy wants play. He has the fire in his belly. I'd like to see what he can do. And its not like he would cost a lot against the cap initially.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"RECEIVING tight end? Only Yoder. Replacement for Cooley? Nobody ... available ... in the NFL. Cooley is effectively the #2 receiver."

Sween,

Ecker I think is still here because they feel he could be that #2 receiving H-Back / TE. He is pretty tall and would make a good target. He is IT. Unless a miracle happens.

Posted by: periculum | August 20, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I guess you guys haven't been watching Hard Knocks on HBO. Holmes isn't physically able to practice with the team. He's only doing indivdual stuff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/19/AR2007081901410.html

Posted by: LH | August 20, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard whether MV Dame managed to survive his "Hot Honeys" weekend?

Posted by: L. Smith | August 20, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"POSTED 2:02 p.m. EDT, August 20, 2007

BRUNELL TO FALCONS?

David Elfin of the Washington Times reports that the Redskins are believed to be talking to the Falcons about a trade that would send quarterback Mark Brunell to Atlanta.

The Falcons have a clear need at the position following the recent ACL injury suffered by backup D.J. Shockley, a fan favorite due to his local connections. The only other quarterbacks on the roster are Joey Harrington and Chris Redman.

Though the Falcons could choose to go with two signal-callers on the regular-season roster, it might be wise to add a veteran like Brunell. If Harrington isn't effective, Brunell might be able to step in and salvage what otherwise would be a lost season. Redman hasn't played in a regular-season game since 2003.

Meanwhile, we think it's odd that a stodgy old-media type like Elfin would try to display some bloggers' humor and attitude by referring to Mike Vick as "Dogfighting Man."

Rule No. 1, Dave? If you want to let your hair down in the blog format with an effort at the kind of humor that can't be used when writing for the fish wrap, it's usually more effective if the end result is, you know, humorous.

"

Posted by: 4th via PFT.com | August 20, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Holmes has passed his physical but is on the PUP list. Seems like only the GM can change Holmes' status to Active. The GM has been out of town, allegedly trying to get LJ signed.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Redskins trade Mark Brunell to the Atlanta Falcons for Casey Bramlett and a 3rd round draft pick in 2008.

Posted by: News Flash! | August 20, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

ok guys- i'm ready for whatever hazing may come with this inquiry:

what in god's name is "SJK?"

Posted by: thedeaner | August 20, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

i want everyone to curb their joy...until it actually happens.

Posted by: littery | August 20, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It's just a rumor. We don't know to what extent it is true or not.

All I know is JLaC is being scoped as we speak if this is true.....

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

REAL BREAKING NEWS:

Vick to plead guilty next Monday. Just announced. No other details available.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

and the remaining third would say "first".

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 01:37 PM

LMGO

Posted by: Dante | August 20, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

And the source of the rumor is "someone with one of them fancy latin names"...

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 20, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

thedeaner - everytime you cuss or semi cuss on the blog, you must apologize to Jack's Kids (Sorry Jack's Kids) because they might be reding.

SJK has know turned into a cuss word in its ownself (example - The punter SJK'd the returner) that is acceptable on this blog...

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

ok guys- i'm ready for whatever hazing may come with this inquiry:

what in god's name is "SJK?"

Posted by: thedeaner | August 20, 2007 02:18 PM


SJK is sorry jack's kids. Jack's (a poster on this blog) kids often read the blog so he was complaining about the use of foul language. Now instead of using foul language on the blog one types SJK

Posted by: Dante | August 20, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

SJK (Sorry, Jack's Kids) is shorthand for disguising what otherwise might be offensive language, especially to the eyes of younger readers of the blog (as Jack's kids are). SJK can be used creatively as various parts of speech, or as a token apology at the end of a potentially-offensive post. For example:

The SJK has really hit the fan this time.

SJK me! Why do they have to trade away all the draft picks?

That QB is no SJKing good.

If you don't care about Kack's kids, you can also interpret SJK as Sorry, (Just Kidding).

(SJK)

Posted by: Not Webster | August 20, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Article on Arch Deluxe fitting in well with Chicago's "simplified" defensive scheme.

Maybe the dOOd is just kinda dumb.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=2982520

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

So - is J-La-C going to be the latercomer with this news... Will he post this tonight around 6:30 ish...?

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

All I know is JLaC is being scoped as we speak if this is true.....

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 02:22 PM

Did Jasno hurt his knee on his day off?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Post-game Monday and we get radio silence on the blog? Ouch.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 20, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to Cyndy, who worked yesterday, Jasno had a "family thing" on Sunday he had to attend to. That probably meant tailgating the Ravens game.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

From the Sando article

"Archuleta and the Redskins resemble strangers who sobered up and regretted leaving the bar together. They'll face off in a Thursday night game at FedEx Field on Dec. 6. Ah, the memories.

"

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Redskins trade Mark Brunell to the Atlanta Falcons for Casey Bramlett and a 3rd round draft pick in 2008.

Posted by: News Flash! | August 20, 2007 02:16 PM

NOT TRUE. SOMEBODY JUST BEING STUPID!!!
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REAL BREAKING NEWS:

Vick to plead guilty next Monday. Just announced. No other details available.

Posted by: | August 20, 2007 02:23 PM

TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Societal differences aside - can we call Ron Mexico a scumbag now?

(Adds confirmation by lawyer)
WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Atlanta Falcons quarterback
Michael Vick has agreed to plead guilty in a U.S. dog-fighting
case that could wreck the star's football career, his attorney
told Reuters on Monday.
Attorney Thomas Shuttleworth said Vick has reached a deal
with prosecutors and will plead guilty in the case that has
attracted worldwide attention.
((Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Sandra Maler;+1-202-789-8540))
Keywords: USA VICK/DOGS


Mon Aug 20 18:33:55 2007 -GMT- pnac (nN20300725) = 1 18:33

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he's interviewing with ESPN

:-O

Maybe he landed a dreamjob to cover MLS (or Beckham) or write for Soccernet and he's the next one to go from the WashPost... ;-) ? This is not like him... although he did apologize on Fri's chat for not having more time to dedicate to thie blog lately, since he's been getting slammed after HB left to ESPN...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's always been my impression that certain newspaper reporters in D.C. read this blog religiously to get the latest news and to come up with new ideas for their own "news" stories. It's a wonder that more weird rumors don't hit the streets, based on some of what is posted here by the RI faithful.

Posted by: H. Greeley | August 20, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted 3 minutes ago on ESPN:

Vick agrees to plead guilty in dogfighting case
ESPN.com news services

Updated: August 20, 2007, 2:36 PM ET
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RICHMOND, Va. -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick accepted a plea deal Monday and likely lengthy prison sentence to avoid additional federal charges in a dogfighting case that has driven his NFL career to a halt.


"After consulting with his family over the weekend, Michael Vick has asked that I announce today that he has reached an agreement with federal prosecutors regarding charges pending against him," Vick attorney Billy Martin said in a statement.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Re: the Vick conviction--

Much props to our resident RI esquire, LH, for calling this move weeks ago.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

MAN, this Vick thing is getting in the way of REAL NEWS, or least a POSSIBLE TRUTHFUL RUMOR.

We need to look down this Brunell to Atlanta path. If it happens, It has to happen quick. This week even. Preseason is already halfway over. He needs to catch up wit hthe playbook and such....

Posted by: 4th | August 20, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

No Vick in '07 or '08, at the minimum. Definitely out for the next 2 seasons...

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Damn! I was really hoping he didn't have anything to do with it. This might be it for Vick.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"I announce today that he has reached an agreement with federal prosecutors regarding charges pending against him," Vick attorney Billy Martin said in a statement.

The attorney then asked Reggie to bunt, called Steinbrenner a 'buttinsky' and kicked dirt all over his bartender.

[:-|

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Players and coaches began reacting to a potential plea deal by Vick when the possibility surfaced last week. Redskins coach and team president Joe Gibbs, a friend of Falcons owner Arthur Blank , said the case has been tough "for everybody in the NFL."

"Michael Vick's one of the premier players in the league and no one wanted this to happen," said Gibbs, who owned a small piece of the Falcons before he returned to the Redskins in 2004.

Redskins defensive back David Macklin, a close friend of Vick's who played against him growing up in Newport News, said last week that the case has been hard on Vick.

"We're keeping him in our prayers," Macklin said. "It's a situation he's going to be able to get through. He's going to overcome. We're behind him 100 percent. I've been able to speak with him and he's realizing a lot of things right now. We'll just see how it goes."

"

Posted by: 4th from Hampton Roads Vick Pleads Guilty Article | August 20, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is bored..whittle bitty Archuletta has a happy home with the Bears, The Article is on the ESPN web site. It states why he did not do so well here....TEAR!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

how is it everyone is talking about Vick when Brunell is on his way to the falcons?

Posted by: Seth | August 20, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I just think there was the evidence was building and building the last few weeks esp after the other 3 agreed to plea and testify against Mike V... He simply had no choice. It's sad to now know that he really thought he was Above the Law and could get away with lying to his family, fans, entire Falcons organization (teammates, coaches & owner) and THE COMMISH (which could prove to be his fatal career ending mistake). Sad, sad, sad... Like Mora Sr said all along... COACH KILLER! And this time he's killing another coach before he even coaches his frist game...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else not realize the fact that David Macklin is saying he's behind someone that is admitting to brutally, torturing and killing of dogs... Does anyone else not realize that this guy is a freaking sicko... It's not like he did any of this for the money... God knows he had enough.. instead he put all this money and effort into running a dogfigthing business... to watch them dogs try to kill each other... I'm sorry but he's a sick SJK'ing Son of SJK!

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Just speculation about Brunell going to ATL....unless someone can find a story about it.

Sure as heck won't hear it from WaPo first =[

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

E in VB that's part of being a real friend. Doesn't mean that you agree with what the person did. But you don't run out on him. None of us are perfect. Let me say that again. None of us are perfect.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah E in VB, I wrote a long post about Vick's sociopathic behavior just now, but deleted it.

F Vick.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if Brunell is traded anywhere after the JC injury scare this weekend.

Posted by: skinswest | August 20, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

E in VB that's part of being a real friend. Doesn't mean that you agree with what the person did. But you don't run out on him. None of us are perfect. Let me say that again. None of us are perfect.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 03:11 PM

Very true jm220

Posted by: Dante | August 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

jm220, while you were down in New Orleans rebuilding homes last summer, Vick was running a dogfighting operation.

WTF. A person is defined by his actions. You are a much better person than me.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm betting that people make too much of Gibbs attachment to Brunell (at this point in MB's career).

If Brunnell gets to play in Atlanta, I can see Gibbs supporting the trade.

But the question becomes, who's number 3 here?

Posted by: Stumped | August 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

In lieu of jail time, Vick's plea deal stipulates he must be strapped into a chair in a meat suit in locked room with 5 rabid dogs. In exchange for this PETA has agreed not to picket any teams who may court signing Vick should he survive.

Posted by: Breaking News | August 20, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

JM,
Agreed... You support the person, but not always what they do... None of us are perfect, but that is a far stretch from torturing and killing dogs... I mean you have to draw the line somewhere, if you can't draw the line at this... Then where do you? I just can't fathom how he can possibly try to rationlize this to some of his friends and family that had no prior involvement or knowledge of these atrocities... Did he not see or even feel the wrong in what he did? I just don't understand that...

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Come in Jasno, come in Jasno, we need to know what you know.

Posted by: Stumped (turning the knob on a SW radio) | August 20, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Jacksonville would be willing to part with Leftwich and shop him to Atlanta?

Posted by: CC | August 20, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I guess it easy for me to say all of this, not knowing or caring for him... When all I know of him is that he had the world in his hand with his abilities and could have brought good to people and communities with his celebrity and influence... Yet, he is somehow vile enough to do this... I just can't begin to make that stretch... I am by no means perfect and therefore per my beliefs wrong to pass judgement on others... but I just can't help see it this way right now.

Posted by: E in VB | August 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second - you're tellin' me if your best friend showed up and told you he'd just cracked a dog's skull on the ground, electrocuted another and made money off of another... you'd still be friend's w/ him?

I wouldn't condone that. Just my 2cents.

...and on "Deep Choke" Archuleta:

"Some of that is my fault by focusing too much and trying to be perfect and trying to do everything the way they wanted it instead of sticking to what I believe in and playing the way I play football."

the reason he sucked was he was trying to be perfect?! I thought it was because he was an undersized linebacker...and stoopid 2 boot!

...another 2 cents there...

Posted by: Dik | August 20, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins will trade for this guy...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6977

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 20, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks SCSkinsFan. I stive to do what is right but there is a dark side as well. (he comes out sometimes on the blog)

E in VB if he was my friend I wouldn't walk out on him.In private we would have some words and maybe even some blows. However, I would tell him that he is still gets much love from me but he must do better. That he has to earn the respect and trust back.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I agree with your concerns about the lack of running game. If we cannot run the ball, we won't win a lot of games. Hopefully, we could not run well because of the outstanding run defense by the Steelers rather than any fundamental problems with our run offense.

By the way, you made a good call on Casey Bramlett ending up with Atlanta when they released him. In addition to Vick's bad newZ kennels, they just lost Shockley for the season so Bramlett should make their team as a third string QB.

Posted by: M | August 20, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I agree with your concerns about the lack of running game. If we cannot run the ball, we won't win a lot of games. Hopefully, we could not run well because of the outstanding run defense by the Steelers rather than any fundamental problems with our run offense.

By the way, you made a good call on Casey Bramlett ending up with Atlanta when they released him. In addition to Vick's bad newZ kennels, they just lost Shockley for the season so Bramlett should make their team as a third string QB.

Posted by: M | August 20, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't condone that. Just my 2cents

Dik go back and read my statement. I never said i would condone it.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I am off to the gym and will check back once I get home.

Posted by: jm220 | August 20, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I think it'll be interesting to see which (if any) teams are willing to take a chance on him when and if he gets reinstated. I think it'd be a public relations nightmare to try and pass that off to the fan base. Suspensions for personal failures such as substance abuse seem to garner fan sympathies/forgiveness, sadistic killing/maiming/torturing of dogs not likely. Too many dog/animal lovers out there.

Posted by: skinswest | August 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Nobody will sign him. Too many issues. The only possibilities are the raiders and cowgirls.

Posted by: nah | August 20, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Vick will be the starting QB in hell SJK for the SJK he has done.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey idiots---unfortunatley for the redskins, the people running the Falcons are not nearly as stupid as vinny cerrato/joe gibbs/danny snyder. There is no way in hell you are getting a 3rd round pick for mark brunell, you would be lucky to get a 6th. Plus, brunell is so horrible that they would be better off signing Aaron Brooks, Tim Couch, Jeff George, or any street free agent if they need help at QB. Give it up, brunell is worhtless as a player and as trade bait

Posted by: Jerry Jones | August 20, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

new post

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Learn how to read, Idiot.

Posted by: Hey Jerry Jones! | August 20, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

On Vick and Macklin, I'm with jm220 and I'm not with the first stone casters. [That said, I probably do draw the line at cannibals and pedophiles, but so do inmates, see e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer and that pedophile priest from Boston.]

Did you know that cannibals don't eat clowns? They taste funny.

The Brunell-to-Atlanta idea is too simplistic, but if I were an enterprising young GM and wasn't already walking on eggshells with the fan base (i.e., not the Skins FO), I would be looking around for a three way deal that brings in a more seasoned guard. It looks like that kind of deal would have to hurt (a la Duckett) and Brunell would only be part of the equation. Probably would also cost a draft pick and/or a spare linebacker ... where Brunell would be replacing the backup QB who gets shipped to Atlanta. You have to wonder though whether Jim Sorgi could really light up the Falcons (snicker, snicker).

Posted by: dcsween | August 20, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

And the other rumor I keep hearing on here that is even more farfetched that getting a 3rd rounder for brunell is this idea of trading for priest holmes and making him a WR. Do you understand football at all? They are totally different positions and it would take more than a few days of being coached up by the redskins staff of 9 offensive coordinators to make this change. And I highly doubt that Priest Holmes would be interested in coming to play for a sorry, 4-12 bound team while learning a new position at age 33.

Posted by: Jerry Jones | August 20, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

431st!

Posted by: SCSKinsFan | August 20, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

1steenthrd!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

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