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Campbell's future more complex than it seems

In today's story, we discussed Jason Campbell's future beyond Sunday's game in San Diego and hinted at just how complicated free agency might be for him.

If somehow owners and union strike a new deal and 2010 has a salary cap, then Campbell will be an unrestricted free agent. That's not as likely and would be a bit more cut-and-dry, so let's not deal with that possibility right now. If next year is an uncapped year in the NFL, which is the direction in which the league seems to be headed, then Campbell will become a restricted free agent, which brings with it a lot more intrigue and possibilities.


So what happens if Campbell becomes a restricted free agent? Well, first of all, the Redskins have the right to match any other team's offer. In his fifth season, Campbell's numbers have improved every year and everyone around the league knows he's playing behind a terrible line, so for the sake of discussion, let's assume there will be some suitors. And it's entirely possible the Redskins will want to match those offers. Even if they draft a new quarterback, you can easily foresee a scenario in which the Redskins want Campbell for at least one more season, while the rookie adjusts to the pro level.

So the question then becomes, what do the Redskins have to match? Total salary? Guaranteed salary? Contract length? If the Redskins only want Campbell for one year but another team offers him two guaranteed years, must the Redskins match that part of the deal?

The answer to all of those questions seems to be yes. Sort of.

In most cases, it's open to interpretation. According to the current collective bargaining agreement, Campbell and his agent would present to the Redskins an offer sheet that outlines the contract he's considering. It also must specify "principal terms," which are essentially the major points that the free agent feels the old team must match.

This is where it all gets a bit murky. Both sides generally agree that you have to match all the major areas - total length, total value, guaranteed money, et al. - but it's not as clear when you start talking about incentives. The current CBA says the old team must match incentives that "are likely to be earned." Well, you can guess that parties can't always agree on that point, and it's one that has encouraged some teams to write some far-fetched incentive clauses into contracts that a free agent's prior team might have no chance to match.

The Post's NFL reporter Mark Maske came up with the following example for us: Let's say the 49ers want Jason Campbell to play quarterback and they agree to a contract that includes the provision that if Campbell plays more than two games at FedEx Field in 2010, he'd earn a $100 million bonus. Obviously, as a 49er he would never play two games in FedEx. But if the Redskins re-signed him and matched that offer word-for-word, Campbell would be a very rich man after just one month of the season.

So would the Redskins have to match that clause? So far, Maske says the answer has been yes. These "poison pill" contracts irk teams, but they keep popping up. (In fact, many felt that Albert Haynesworth's contract included such a provision; the fifth year on his deal wasn't guaranteed but would pay him $29 million - impossible to match.)

You can read about when Steve Hutchinson left Seattle for Minnesota or when the Seahawks retaliated and signed Nate Burleson away from the Vikings. The Burleson case actually had two "poison pill" provisions. From the ESPN.com story, his entire contract with Seattle would have become guaranteed "if Burleson plays five or more games in the state of Minnesota in any season of the contract. The Vikings, of course, play home games in Minneapolis. ... The second bizarre provision would guarantee the full contract if Burleson is paid more on average per year than all of the Minnesota running backs combined."

So the point here isn't to try to predict the future. It's just to let you know how hard the future can be to predict when it comes to restricted free agents.

By Rick Maese  |  December 31, 2009; 10:14 AM ET
 
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Easy. All another team has to do is guarnatee him a bonus of $20 million if he plays for a team owned by the village idiot.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | December 31, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I guess one Rick IS better than 2 Jasons. I kid, I kid.

Really though, this a great post. Good insight into the NFL, player negotiations, and the Post "brain" sessions. Thanks Rick.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | December 31, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

if campbell is a RFA and we dont match the offersheet the redskins would get comp draft picks correct?

Posted by: nferg18 | December 31, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Can you imagine them (Vikings)firing Farve and give up draft picks for JC? Farve is just so much better than JC could dream to be, even on his bad days."


If B Favre decides to 'retire' again, the vikes have a Super Bowl ready team with no quarterback.

Sage Rosenfels?

Tavaris Jackson?

C'mon.

Even at his worst, Jason Campbell is a better option than either of them

And even if Favre returns next year, having Campbell on the sideline is a better insurance policy.

He slides in in '11 as a starter who knows the system.

The vikes have a stellar defense, awesome o-line, great young receivers, and, of course, some dude named A Petersen to hand the ball to.

If I'm B Allen, I'd chat up the vikes to see what they'd offer.

A low 3rd rounder or 4th rounder for a team in need of linemen and options like the redskins isn't a bad deal, you know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So there is hope that we might sign free agent's like NICK COLLINS, DUNTA ROBINSON, BARRY COFIELD, and DONALD PENN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised to see the Skins sign Ben Hamilton to play center next year. Hamilton is a backup on the current Broncos team. He and Rabach are about the same age. Hamilton has played both center and guard for Shanahan, so he'd be able to call the protections, and act as a mentor for the younger centers and guards on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"If Jason Campbell receives a two-year contract offer from another team, should the Redskins match it?"


Again: it's a game of 'IF'.

I say the re-signing dance will be a clumsy and ugly one, but somehow, Jason Campbell will wind up the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins next season.

That is, unless the people in vikingsland come calling.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Goners?

Chris Samuels

Mike Sellers

Renaldo Wynn

Cornelius Griffin

Randy Thomas

Casey Rabach

Clinton Portis

Ladell Betts

Rock Cartwright

Phil Daniels

Fred Smoot

Antawn Randle El

Stephon Heyer

Mike Williams

Todd Collins

Colt Brennan


I wish all of these men a Happy New Year.

And that hopefully, they enjoy retirement or a new uniform.

'Cuz they've all gotta kinda old and slow and ineffective in the one they have now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I agree with most of these, Moe. I do think that Rabach, Heyer, BMWilliams, and Colt will return. And I would like to know what Smoot's contract is. If he's not too expensive, I think he will return too.

Right now the biggest weakness is OL. I don't want to get rid of the core that we have. All are certainly expendable, for sure. But all would be reasonable backups if we can find replacements.

re-Posted by: frediefritz | December 31, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: frediefritz | December 31, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

So there is hope that we might sign free agent's like NICK COLLINS, DUNTA ROBINSON, BARRY COFIELD, and DONALD PENN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 10:39 AM |

You'd have to give up picks dependent on the level of the tender.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

He slides in in '11 as a starter who knows the system.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hope the Vikes haven't seen Campbell slide.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 31, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"If Jason Campbell receives a two-year contract offer from another team, should the Redskins match it?"


Again: it's a game of 'IF'.

I say the re-signing dance will be a clumsy and ugly one, but somehow, Jason Campbell will wind up the starting quarterback for the Washington Redskins next season.

That is, unless the people in vikingsland come calling.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

This is a very interesting post, but the poll is bs. How can you answer it unless you know the terms of the offer.

Having said that, I agree with you Moe,JC in all probability will be Skins QB next year.

Also, DSnidely is playing an interesting blame game by firing VC. Did DS really give control to VC? He may try to stay out of BA's way for a year to show that VC was making all those decisions. But I still believe that DS is the root problem for the Skins.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 31, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

if campbell is a RFA and we dont match the offersheet the redskins would get comp draft picks correct?

Posted by: nferg18 | December 31, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse
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The Redskins must make a qualifying tender, but yes, barring them inexplicably forgetting to do that, we would get at least a 2nd rounder.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 31, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hope the Vikes haven't seen Campbell slide.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 31, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse


Well played, sir.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 31, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Also, DSnidely is playing an interesting blame game by firing VC. Did DS really give control to VC? He may try to stay out of BA's way for a year to show that VC was making all those decisions. But I still believe that DS is the root problem for the Skins.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 31, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse
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All I know is that the dope that was feeding 'we have playoff caliber talent' to Snyder is now gone.

Before the season, any analyst with half a brain cell would have not graded any of our units at the top of our division, much less the conference. The only units potentially in the top two would be D line and linebackers. One could make an argument that Portis is up there, but the line - even with Samuels and Thomas - was a big question mark.

So, yeah, maybe DS is always going to meddle a little, but at least now he's got someone who can see past his own nose feeding him football information.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 31, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

smack1

"Hope the Vikes haven't seen Campbell slide."


I get the joke, but again, the vikes are dealing with the devil when it comes to B Favre.

Their roster is only going to be young and talented and affordable but for so long.

So if I'm Allen, I play on their super bowl desire, and try to pry a mid-level pick or two out of them.

What happens later, is their business, not ours.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 31, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I hope someone is enviable of JC17s talents. We could use the draft picks.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Let him go.

If we're gonna clean house and start over, then do it right.

Posted by: kone | December 31, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Let him go.

He's not the answer. I don't know why so many people want to keep QB that can't win a Super Bowl for the team around.

I'm starting to think that Redskins fans are morons. It's fine to feel bad for the guy for all of the beatings, but he just can't play.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

With a new coach and new offensive system (admitidely a "West Coast" varient, if Shanny is the coach) coming in, and the potential to add even just a 3rd round pick in the upcoming draft by letting him go, I don't see how anyone could possibly want to match an offer for JC17?

It makes no sense...similar to how we just had to sign Collins to a multi-year deal as our backup a couple of years ago, even though the Saunders system that he was brought in for was on it's way out of town and the guy was well into the wrong side of his 30s.

I can't remember who said it in this thread earlier, but if you can let Campbell walk in exchange for a pick, and then bring in a guy off the street to drive the bus next year while a rookie gets his bearings, why wouldn't you do so? JC brings no more value to this team next year than any other journeyman QB would, so why not allow for a fresh start for both him and the Skins, by parting ways as soon as possible?

Posted by: PDXskin | December 31, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

He's not the answer but we need picks.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Somebody posted up here a few days ago about the phenomenon wherein several teams drafted their O line anchors one season and the next season drafted their franchise QBs. That's a model I'd like to see the Redskins follow. Hell, I'd like to see them spend all of their picks in this draft on O linemen.

If we're talking about "rebuilding" anyway, and we're all in agreement that the O line has to be rebuilt from the ground up (with maybe Dock as the lone holdover among the five '09 starters), let's put our money where our mouf is...

F selecting a QB in the first round of the 2010 draft... that would disgust me as much as just about anything I can imagine this team doing. Because it would indicate to me that the delusional Boy Prince is still predominant in the team's personnel decisions...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

JC will not be back. Shanahan is not a fan. Neither was Gregg Williams and told Snyder so two years ago -- Danny should have listened.

JC has fundamental flaws in his game that have hurt him in every system he's played in. The biggest two being his inability to read defenses pre-snap and his inability to anticipate a receiver getting open.

His stats are decent. But if you watch the games, you see they're often the product of taking what the defense gives him when the game is out of reach.

And the idea that he would do good in a deep ball offense is absurd. He is a checkdown king not because the offense calls for it, but because he can't throw downfield accurately -- for every bomb he connected on, he missed badly on two.

He will be a decent backup somewhere, but I would be shocked if anyone offers him a good deal. Seriously, who will be his suitors? Carolina? Nope. Matt Moore has looked better. Buffalo? They'll probably draft a QB early, but could offer JC a small deal. Oakland? Davis loves the deep ball and again, despite what Reid and company have been pushing, coaches watch film and know JC can't connect on it -- weak armed Todd Collins is better at it.

Someone mentioned Minnesota, which is interesting for one reason -- Sage Rosenfels. He knows Shanahan's system and has shown he can get rid of the ball quick -- the offensive line in Houston looked so much better with him under center than it did with David Carr. I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the opening day starter for Washington, with a rookie in the wings.

JC will be elsewhere. But his suitors will be few and they won't be offering much. Because film doesn't lie.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | December 31, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

and the potential to add even just a 3rd round pick in the upcoming draft by letting him go, I don't see how anyone could possibly want to match an offer for JC17?

Posted by: PDXskin | December 31, 2009 11:22 AM

What if no one offers JC a contract?

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think that Redskins fans are morons. It's fine to feel bad for the guy for all of the beatings, but he just can't play.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

I hate to break this to you, Ray, but based on my exhaustive research there are morons in every NFL team's fan base.

In fact, the distribution of morons is statistically even across 31 teams, with the exception of course of the Cowboys, whose fan base is 99.9% moron, with SMACK the lone outlier.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If you cannot get picks then he can be a backup to the rookie coming in. Of all the FA QBs he is as good as any and we should attempt to get something for him. Even if the something is him being a backup QB for the Redskins.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any team would give up a 1st and a 3rd for Jason Campbell.

I'm satisfied IF:

1. Someone did actually offer JC a two year deal, we don't match and receive a 1st and a 3rd for him.

2. Bring Campbell back for one year. Draft a young QB to bring along.

3. Fix the O-line


I am not one of these armchair GM's that think you HAVE to draft an O-lineman in the 1st round. I think as long as we address it in the middle rounds...I'm good.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

colt is not a goner... bc he is a young mobile athletic qb w/ a quick release in the west coast style...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL gone, and we with a first and two seconds? There goes the o-line rebuild. Everybody but the contrarians in the FO will be screaming for a QB in the first, and LT is where we must start to rebuild the offense. To do that, we have to use the #5 pick for a LT either CAMPBELL or OKUNG not an iffy QB pick.

Keep CAMPBELL, draft the LT, forget FS at this point, and go from there.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I do not think anyone will give up a 1st or a 3rd either but I would be willing to take a 3rd. That would be another o-line position that we could fill. Someone else posted that the deal for JC17 will be done in a trade and a 3rd round pick is reasonable. We could tender him 1.5M for a year and then see what happens.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Somebody posted up here a few days ago about the phenomenon wherein several teams drafted their O line anchors one season and the next season drafted their franchise QBs. That's a model I'd like to see the Redskins follow. Hell, I'd like to see them spend all of their picks in this draft on O linemen.

If we're talking about "rebuilding" anyway, and we're all in agreement that the O line has to be rebuilt from the ground up (with maybe Dock as the lone holdover among the five '09 starters), let's put our money where our mouf is...

F selecting a QB in the first round of the 2010 draft... that would disgust me as much as just about anything I can imagine this team doing. Because it would indicate to me that the delusional Boy Prince is still predominant in the team's personnel decisions...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Nate, why MUST the draft ALL O-lineman? WE need several, but people assume all will plan out and be Pro-Bowlers. I'd like to spend a minimum of three picks on O-lineman.

Not all 1st round QB's are busts.

Also, I would feel as you do if Allen were not in place as far as Snyder picking a QB.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting to see if Shanahan wants him and what he'd do with him if he does. Mortenson (I think) said Shanahan could work with him. You'd see a lot more downfield throwing with designed rollouts and shotgun, playing to Campbell's strengths under Shanahan. That's what he did with Jake Plummer anyway. While Plummer wasn't the answer in the long run and JC may not be either, it would at least allow them time to fill in some of the other glaring holes like o-line and whatever's left after the roster purge.

Posted by: skinswest | December 31, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

colt is not a goner... bc he is a young mobile athletic qb w/ a quick release in the west coast style...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 31, 2009 11:36 AM

Two things Colt has shown us thus far. One is that he is injury prone. The second is that he makes poor decisions with the football. A sixth round draft pick is by no ways a lock with a new HC coming in, particularly one that likes to hand pick his QBs.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge, you really think we ought to deal with three or four gaping holes and zero depth on the O line in the middle rounds of this draft? A few picks in the middle rounds would "address it"?

As an armchair GM, I wholeheartedly disagree... but as an armchair Dan Snyder, I wholeheartedly agree.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

JC brings no more value to this team next year than any other journeyman QB would, so why not allow for a fresh start for both him and the Skins, by parting ways as soon as possible?

Posted by: PDXskin
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While I have mixed feelings about getting a draft pick for JC, I disagree with this sentiment here.

I think you are undervaluing his rapport with our new receivers, and the line (which like or not, much of it will be here next year). Chemistry does actually make a difference. So I don't think you can take any unemployed vet QB and see him play as well as JC.

Posted by: REXskins | December 31, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I had a boss once who was a moron but didn't realize it. (Got the job by being someone else's toadie.) If he thought of a solution, no matter how stupid, that was how it was going to be. So I had to learn how to steer him ahead of time into making the decision that NEEDED to be made. That's what experienced employees do for the operation and that's what Bruce Allen will do for/to Snyder.

Posted by: shanks1 | December 31, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

ricky, I know the team is not going to spend all its picks on O linemen in this draft. I was just hazarding a joke that it wouldn't bother me one bit if they did so, because it would indicate to me that they're serious about rebuilding the O line as the foundation of this team going forward.

Not all first round QBs are busts, but I don't know why anyone would bother drafting a QB that high and playing him behind a line anywhere near as bad as the one we had this season.

Rebuild the damn offensive line! That's what I'm talking about!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised to see the Skins sign Ben Hamilton to play center next year. Hamilton is a backup on the current Broncos team. He and Rabach are about the same age. Hamilton has played both center and guard for Shanahan, so he'd be able to call the protections, and act as a mentor for the younger centers and guards on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 10:40 AM

Possibly, unless Hamilton's concussion problems prevent it. He was benched by McDaniels this year. Don't know if that's due to change in schemes or the concussion problems he's had. Two other Shanahan guys that McDaniels doesn't appear to like are Tony Sheffler (TE) and Peyton Hillis (RB/FB). Shefler's a pass catching TE so Shanahan may not be that interested with Cooley and Davis already there. Hillis is the one I'd keep an eye on, especially if they cut Sellers. He's at least as good of a receiver as Sellers and a much better runner.

Posted by: skinswest | December 31, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

shanks1, you've hit the nail on the head about what I think is the biggest question at the moment about this team: how will Snyder and Allen collaborate on the big decisions facing this team, starting with the hiring of a new head coach? (And how have they collaborated on that coaching decision thus far?) How involved will Danny be on big personnel decisions going forward?

If Snyder's doing anything aside from rubber-stamping the decisions made by professional football people, that's too much... not that anyone in the organization but Snyder himself could keep him from doing so.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins do get a 2nd round pick for JC, and Okung drops to 5th, I'd prefer to see them draft:

1st: Okung
2nd: Whatever QB drops
2nd: O-line

And then start the whole slew of rookies. I'd do this because Okung is a sure thing, but 1st round QBs are not.

You know based on historical trends that some of the top 4-5 QBs will still be there in the 2nd round.

Posted by: REXskins | December 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Let him go.

He's not the answer. I don't know why so many people want to keep QB that can't win a Super Bowl for the team around.

I'm starting to think that Redskins fans are morons. It's fine to feel bad for the guy for all of the beatings, but he just can't play.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

Seems to me, the Redskins fans are not the "morons." I have someone else in mind for that. Can you guess who that might be, Ray?

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Campbell should accept a contract if offered. He won't be wanted here, because a new coach will want "his guy".

That said, I'll always like Campbell. He seems to give his all and he handles difficult situations with class.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | December 31, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

skinswest thanks. I didn't know about Hamilton's concussions issues. The Bronocs would have to release Hillis before he's available, correct? I guess the Skins could trade for him, but with so few picks,I wouldn't see that happening.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Washington Times sports section prints for last time Friday

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 31, 2009 11:30 AM ET
A moment that was feared for more than a month by the Washington Times sports staff was realized Wednesday afternoon. Then confirmed to the world by tweet.

"It's official. @TWTSports got Mike Leach'd," the Times sports section wrote.

The newspaper is cutting back 40% of its staff, including the entire sports department. Dan Steinberg of DC Sports Bog did a better job than we could explaining what a loss it is for Washington sports fans.

We'll let others discuss the impact of the decline of newspapers, and simply thank David Elfin and Ryan O'Halloran for their coverage of the Redskins, which added to our understanding of the team. Check out the section's final issue Friday.

The Redskins organization has had a combative relationship with the press during the Dan Snyder era, but it must know how lucky it is. Few teams can match the loyal fanbase and comprehensive coverage the Redskins receive, no matter how bumbling the owner.

That coverage took a big hit Wednesday.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The 2010 restricted free agents

Posted by Mike Florio on December 31, 2009 11:46 AM ET
On Wednesday, MDS pointed out the AP report that more than 200 players who believed they would be unrestricted free agents actually will be restricted free agents under the rules of the uncapped year, which begins on March 5, 2010.

In a normal year, four years of service qualifies a player for unrestricted free agency. In an uncapped year, the number moves to six.

Which means that plenty of guys will be pissed once they realize that they won't be eating at the uncapped trough.

The full list appears below.

Cardinals (8): safety Hamza Abdullah, fullback Justin Green, guard Deuce Lutui, kicker Mike Nugent, receiver Jerheme Urban, nose tackle Gabe Watson, tackle Tyson Clabo, guard Harvey Dahl.

Falcons (5): safety Jamaal Fudge, punter Michael Koenen, running back Jerious Norwood, guard Quinn Ojinnaka, safety Charlie Peprah.

Ravens (10): guard Chris Chester, receiver Mark Clayton, kicker Billy Cundiff, punter Sam Koch, safety Dawan Landry, tackle Tony Moll, tight end Quinn Sypniewski, tackle Adam Terry, cornerback Fabian Washington, receiver Demetrius Williams.

Bills (6): linebacker Keith Ellison, quarterback Gibran Hamdan, guard Richie Incognito, tight end Joe Klopfenstein, safety George Wilson, safety Ashton Youboty.

Panthers (5): linebacker James Anderson, linebacker Thomas Davis, tight end Jeff King, cornerback Richard Marshall, tackle Rob Petitti.

Bears (5): defensive end Mark Anderson, safety Josh Bullocks, nose tackle Dusty Dvoracek, safety Danieal Manning, linebacker Jamar Williams.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bengals (5): linebacker Abdul Hodge, linebacker Rashad Jeanty, linebacker Brandon Johnson, guard Evan Mathis, defensive end Frostee Rucker.

Browns (7): safety Abram Elam, linebacker Arnold Harrison, running back Jerome Harrison, linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, safety Brodney Pool, linebacker Matt Roth, fullback Lawrence Vickers.

Cowboys (12): receiver Miles Austin, defensive end Stephen Bowen, cornerback Cletis Gordon, defensive end Jason Hatcher, receiver Sam Hurd, tackle Pat McQuistan, center Duke Preston, guard Cory Procter, safety Gerald Sensabaugh, defensive end Marcus Spears, safety Pat Watkins, kicker Shaun Suisham.

Broncos (13): defensive end Elvis Dumervil, guard Chris Kuper, receiver Brandon Marshall, quarterback Kyle Orton, tight end Tony Scheffler, defensive end Le Kevin Smith, safety Daniel Bullocks, center Dylan Gandy, defensive end Jason Hunter, receiver Adam Jennings, guard Daniel Loper, safety Ko Simpson, linebacker Cody Spencer,

Packers (8): safety Atari Bigby, cornerback Will Blackmon, guard Daryn Colledge, safety Nick Collins, defensive end Johnny Jolly, fullback John Kuhn, safety Derrick Martin, center Jason Spitz.

Texans (7): safety John Busing, tackle Rashad Butler, tight end Owen Daniels, runing back Ryan Moats, safety Bernard Pollard, linebacker DeMeco Ryans, center Chris White.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

49ers (3): guard David Baas, linebacker Ahmad Brooks, cornerback Marcus Hudson.

Rams (7): defensive end Victor Adeyanju, safety Oshiomogho Atogwe, tackle Alex Barron, running back Sam Gado, defensive tackle Gary Gibson, receiver Ruvell Martin, guard Mark Setterstrom.

Buccaneers (9): receiver Mark Bradley, receiver Brian Clark, linebacker Matt McCoy, tackle Donald Penn, linebacker Barrett Ruud, receiver Maurice Stovall, tackle Jeremy Trueblood, running back Carnell Williams, linebacker Rod Wilson.

Titans (6): defensive end Dave Ball, defensive tackle Tony Brown, tight end Bo Scaife, linebacker Stephen Tulloch, defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson, running back LenDale White.

Redskins (7): quarterback Jason Campbell, safety Reed Doughty, defensive tackle Kedric Golston, linebacker Rocky McIntosh, defensive tackle Anthony Montgomery, center Will Montgomery, cornerback Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the Washington Times will no longer have a sports section after Friday.

That is crazy not that I read it anyway but I can't believe they are cutting there entire sports department.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

skinswest thanks. I didn't know about Hamilton's concussions issues. The Bronocs would have to release Hillis before he's available, correct? I guess the Skins could trade for him, but with so few picks,I wouldn't see that happening.

Posted by: TWISI | December 31, 2009 11:52 AM

Yeah the skins would have to trade for Hillis. He was a 7th rounder and can hardly get on the field with McDaniels so he might not cost much. He might even get cut. Not saying your wrong about Hamilton but I know he missed alot of time last year with a nasty concussion and his play this year got him benched. Whether that's due to the new scheme or dimminished skills caused by the concusion issues I don't know but I'd be wary.

It would be interesting to see if Shanahan brings the zone blocking scheme to DC. That would call for smaller quicker (dirtier) linemen. Not what we're used to seeing in the NFC East.

Posted by: skinswest | December 31, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell stays or goes is irrelevant, this teams focus should solely be on the O-line, finding a SAM, and the secondary. Any QB you get behind our o-line is going to closely resemble Campbell's output.

Secondly, Orakpo is NOT A SAM, keep his hand in the dirt. I hope the new DC understands this.

Thirdly, we need corners who can press off the first 5, stay hip on hip, can maintain control and flip the hips on the back peddle (I'm tired of our boys biting on the double move.), and we guys who can catch the ball. Our safeties need to be stewards of game film and know their opponents alignments so that they can get our secondary in the right positions/shifts. They need to be able to TACKLE and for the love of God under stand what DEEP AS THE DEEPEST, WIDE AS THE WIDEST means!

Posted by: clark202 | December 31, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break this to you, Ray, but based on my exhaustive research there are morons in every NFL team's fan base.

In fact, the distribution of morons is statistically even across 31 teams, with the exception of course of the Cowboys, whose fan base is 99.9% moron, with SMACK the lone outlier.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse


One of the main points of contention in the upcoming CBA is Moron Sharing. Big Market teams are unwilling to part with their moron fans and small markets need the low IQ's to stay afloat.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 31, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

etrod, it's particularly unfair when you think of the tens of millions of chooches in the New York/New Jersey area who are monopolized by the Giants and Jets, not to mention the millions of Massh*les giving their allegiance to the Patriots.

So wrong, so very, very wrong.

[second attempt to post this comment, which previously contained a naughty word... sorry, Cindy and Jack's kids.]

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Not that Cindy and Jack have kids together! That's not what I meant!

I meant sorry to Cindy, and also sorry to Jack's kids!

Damn it!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

(taking a breather, stepping back from the blog...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

That first Maske example is straight 'tard. If Soup is in San Fran, he wouldn't play more than (or even) two games in DC. Therefore your matching contract wouldn't have to offer that to be acceptable...

If sure "poison pilling" is an accurate phenomenon, that's just not a good 'for instance'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 31, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

With all this said about getting rid of Campbell, who is gonna play QB? Our #1 pick would have to go toward a QB because drafting a QB in the lower rounds will not guarantee anything more than we already have. We desperately need help at OL, RB, DB. We have picks in 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th rounds of the 2010 draft. 3rd round pick was used in the Supplemental draft to get Jeremy Jarmon and the 6th round pick was traded to Miami for Jason Taylor. A lot of needs, but few picks.

Posted by: garrybrown | December 31, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Let him go.

He's not the answer. I don't know why so many people want to keep QB that can't win a Super Bowl for the team around."

Posted by: rmcazz

Who were the quarterbacks for the Ravens and the Buccaneers in their SBs? Two rejects. Football's a team game, Elmer.

Posted by: edwcorey | December 31, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

It's not that hard. It's not very complex. It only becomes hard or complex when you need to retain a player for your continued success. The Redskins are 4-11.

Sure there are players they'd like to retain. And they have a dollar figure in mind for those players. So, if someone comes along and offers more than you're willing to pay you wish the player success and thank him for his contributions while he was a Redskin. It really is that simple.

And, if a player comes along with one of those "poison pill" contracts he wants to leave so let him go. Speaking of "poison pill" contracts, they need to address that in the next CBA.

Speaking of the CBA I'd like to see them settle that without a strike. I will not tolerate any more strikes in professional sports. There is enough money for everyone to make money and if they can't find a way to get it done without a strike I will no longer support that sport.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | December 31, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

under stand what DEEP AS THE DEEPEST, WIDE AS THE WIDEST means!

Posted by: clark202 | December 31, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

That's what she said

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 31, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

JC has gotten better every year. This year he got first class experience about playing under pressure, and not as much with playing with time. He will continue to improve.

Fix the damn offensive line and figure out what to do about the running backs with Betts coming off a knee and Portis apparently more interested in starting a clothing line.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 31, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Reading between the lines on this article, was left with the impression that in order to tender Campbell and receive a high draft pick if he decides to go to another team, the Redskins would have to commit to pay him something around $4 million per season -- or roughly a million dollars per win -- that is, presuming another "4-13" season like we've just enjoyed under JC17 and crew.

(You can't presume there will be much hope for improvement next year, especially if you keep the same bunch of losers around.)

I guess it's a bargain compareed to CP26's $7+ million for 400 yards this season -- or AH92's $41 million plus guaranteed, just to show up out of condition and feign injury for much of the season.

Point is, it's a bad investment to keerp any of these ass clowns around. Better to cut enm all free and start over.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 31, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So the question then becomes, what do the Redskins have to match?

NOTHING!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!
Send the other team a thank you note and a case of wine, but above all thank your lucky stars that there was some foolish team who took him out of your hands.

Posted by: hock1 | December 31, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

JC get the hell out of dodge why you still can stand upritht! This organization is dysfunctional and everyone in the NFL and world knows it. The Skins SUXXXX and always will under the current ownership! All Hail Defeat because thats all you will get!

HATC!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 31, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have to repopulate the OL through a combination of draft picks and free agents. There are at least three starting positions to fill in LT, RG, and RT...

Posted by: siris | December 31, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If B Favre decides to 'retire' again, the vikes have a Super Bowl ready team with no quarterback.

Sage Rosenfels?

Tavaris Jackson?

C'mon.

Yes!
Is Mark Rypien hall of fame bound? Yet he cruised and crushed in a SuperBowl...Keep Jason, develop Colt.. fix the team..

Posted by: Surfercalavera | December 31, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If B Favre decides to 'retire' again, the vikes have a Super Bowl ready team with no quarterback.

Sage Rosenfels?

Tavaris Jackson?

C'mon.

Yes!
Is Mark Rypien hall of fame bound? Yet he cruised and crushed in a SuperBowl...Keep Jason, develop Colt.. fix the team..

Posted by: Surfercalavera | December 31, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And yes, definitely do not match any challenging offers. Let that ship sail.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 31, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

As a masochist and a utter idiot, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; informal dope, ninny, nincompoop, chump, dimwit, dumbo, dummy, dum-dum, loon, dork, sap, jackass, blockhead, jughead, bonehead, knucklehead, fathead, numbskull, numbnuts, dumb-ass, doofus, clod, dunderhead, ditz, lummox, dipstick, thickhead, meathead, meatball, woodenhead, airhead, pinhead, lamebrain, peabrain, birdbrain, jerk, nerd, donkey, nitwit, twit, boob, twerp, schmuck, bozo, turkey, chowderhead, dingbat, I SAY LETS KEEP JC.

Posted by: hock1 | December 31, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

As a masochist and a utter idiot, ass, halfwit, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, moron, imbecile, simpleton; informal dope, ninny, nincompoop, chump, dimwit, dumbo, dummy, dum-dum, loon, dork, sap, jackass, blockhead, jughead, bonehead, knucklehead, fathead, numbskull, numbnuts, dumb-ass, doofus, clod, dunderhead, ditz, lummox, dipstick, thickhead, meathead, meatball, woodenhead, airhead, pinhead, lamebrain, peabrain, birdbrain, jerk, nerd, donkey, nitwit, twit, boob, twerp, schmuck, bozo, turkey, chowderhead, dingbat, I SAY LETS KEEP JC.

Posted by: hock1 | December 31, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse


You could have just said "Democrat."

ZING!

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 31, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins tender Campbell at the highest level -- two #1 draft picks. He should be resigned only as a backup or stop-gap starting QB. If a team inserts "poison-pill" language in an offer, then the Skins should demand the draft picks; otherwise they would be free to resign Campbell short term contract.

I'm not convinced that a good starting OL would improve Campbell's poor situational awareness, release timing, and accuracy. I don't care how many 3-7 yd passes he completes -- he's simply not been good enough to win games -- and he rarely throws to the receiver in stride.

Posted by: siris | December 31, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"I'm starting to think that Redskins fans are morons. Ray"

Jeez, Ray....did you just figure that out?

Take a gander at that 63% favorable poll response to keeping JC. That says it all.


Posted by: bestmick1 | December 31, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Secondly, Orakpo is NOT A SAM, keep his hand in the dirt. I hope the new DC understands this.

Posted by: clark202 | December 31, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I thought Orakpo was just selected to the pro-bowl, in his rookie year, as the backup NFC SAM LB...

Of course -- he might be even better at RDE, but what would you do with Carter in that scenario?

Posted by: siris | December 31, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the Washington Times will no longer have a sports section after Friday.

That is crazy not that I read it anyway but I can't believe they are cutting there entire sports department.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 31, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I think its cheeper for them to just get an AP story and repost.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 31, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will not sign Campbell, makes no sense for either him or the team. But they will extend him a minimum tender offer and then he gets to see what the market will bear.

There are 2-3 teams that might be interested in him. He is an affordable QB for the short term.

Worst case as I see it he is either back for a good $$ value or we get a 2nd or 3rd round pick and maybe a 4th for him.

Also, I would not be suprised to see at least two other playes get moved for picks before draft day.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 31, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Goners?

Chris Samuels [Medical retire]

Mike Sellers will return-if capped year

Renaldo Wynn thanks for your service

Cornelius Griffin will return-if capped year

Randy Thomas [Medical retire]

Casey Rabach meh.

Clinton Portis depends on health +
will return-if capped year

Ladell Betts depends on health

Rock Cartwright thanks for your service

Phil Daniels keep on speed dial

Fred Smoot will return-if capped year
likely as a Safety though

Antawn Randle El will return-if capped year

Stephon Heyer worth re-sign as depth at $$$

Mike Williams worth re-sign as depth at $$$

Todd Collins meh.

Colt Brennan meh.

Moe...

Don't sleep on Mike Williams at his new size with an entire off-season to get into shape and go through camp at that new size. He could work into a decent guard.

If the team can unload Landry for something...Smooty might make a serviceable Safety until his contract runs out.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 31, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
I'm afraid I have to keep Jason Campbell around until 85% of his jerseys are sold. Right now, we're at about 32%, so this may take a couple years.

Together, we can fix the problem this team has (lower ROI than previous years). Remember, true fans buy RedskinsTM merchandise every month - what have you bought this week?

Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | December 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
I'm afraid I have to keep Jason Campbell around until 85% of his jerseys are sold. Right now, we're at about 32%, so this may take a couple years.

Together, we can fix the problem this team has (lower ROI than previous years). Remember, true fans buy RedskinsTM merchandise every month - what have you bought this week?

Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | December 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
I'm afraid I have to keep Jason Campbell around until 85% of his jerseys are sold. Right now, we're at about 32%, so this may take a couple years.

Together, we can fix the problem this team has (lower ROI than previous years). Remember, true fans buy RedskinsTM merchandise every month - what have you bought this week?

Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | December 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Loyal Fans,
I'm afraid I have to keep Jason Campbell around until 85% of his jerseys are sold. Right now, we're at about 32%, so this may take a couple years.

Together, we can fix the problem this team has (lower ROI than previous years). Remember, true fans buy RedskinsTM merchandise every month - what have you bought this week?

Mr. Dan Snyder

Posted by: DannyMSnyder | December 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

My prediction:

Zorn goes to Cleveland to be offensive coordinator and call offensive plays. Jason Campbell follows, because at the very least Jason is much better than Derek "one year ONEder" Anderson and Brady Quinn. WE will not match and should not match because it is time for both the Redskins and Jason to get fresh starts. Jason may yet be a successful QB, though probably never the guy who can carry a team on his shoulders alone.

What Redskins should do:

First off, we know that Danny is going to demand a QB in the first round given the field. I do think (HOPE) Allen has a lot more power than Vinny, but I still see 1st round QB as inevitable. Bradford is injury prone, but he could be good and seems like the guy we would go with. So assuming we draft him, I would then use that second round pick on an offensive tackle, regardless of who else is out there. It is time to focus on the O-line more than anything else because we have no chance of winning until that is repaired. As for QB, I do not want Bradford or any other young guy, including Colt Brennan, starting while the O-line is in repair. Thus, if Vick is available take him. He may not quite be ready to start again, he may still have that bad rep, but the guy is a true scrambler who can play. He single-handily carried Atlanta for years. I consider next year a throw-away anyway, and at least with Vick being 4-12 will be more interesting. And who know, maybe he gets the magic back and is great again. He gets a chance to start again and we do not risk our young guns' physical and mental health; sound like a good deal.

Posted by: mcgratsp | December 31, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Let him go.

He's not the answer. I don't know why so many people want to keep QB that can't win a Super Bowl for the team around.

I'm starting to think that Redskins fans are morons. It's fine to feel bad for the guy for all of the beatings, but he just can't play.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 31, 2009 11:16 AM

Actually, to know the only Skins moron please look in your mirror if you have one.

Posted by: abxinc | December 31, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

the skins are going to go no where fast with Jason Campbell get him out of here NOW. he should not be starting the next game it's time to give one of the youngsters a shot.

Posted by: iboost | December 31, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Damn....

The Post will now try to claim monopoly over Redskin Coverage...

Shame...

I hope Elfin and O'Halloran land softly somewhere else....We can not depend on just one source of info....

Elfin to da Post!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 31, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't sleep on Mike Williams at his new size with an entire off-season to get into shape and go through camp at that new size. He could work into a decent guard.

If the team can unload Landry for something...Smooty might make a serviceable Safety until his contract runs out.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 31, 2009 1:26 PM

That's kind of a best case vision of BMW, isn't it? Here's a worst case: with an entire off-season of unsupervised snacking, and binge eating he could balloon back up to his previous size and beyond. Also the guy doesn't block so well.

Posted by: mack1 | December 31, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If you need one year, you don't get an oline and stick with Collins?

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 31, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

iboost, These are for you: . . . .

Posted by: mack1 | December 31, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I blame the lips, that and redneck redskins fans. I had a electronics instructor in the army that was an older black instructor. He would whip out the strawberry flavored lip balm and threaten to plant a kiss on a sleeping student. Maybe you had to be there but any signs of life warranted points compared to the relatively dry and unintelligent instructor that was the norm. He was a civilian while most were militant nazis that would dress down your wall-mart apron. Anyways to say the least he doesn't need collagen injections or have a nose that says the ability to do hard work has been bred out of him. Though I like the goatee over the military style mustache.

I take note of GB's Rodgers as QB that has been sacked a lot and still puts up great numbers. But there is probably a hail-Mary effect going on there. Plenty of time but always hoping for the big play to open up. Eli gets a huge drop back and still looks nervous. "Tweek" from South Park comes to mind. Campbell may have half the time to throw of an average QB. I believe they are aiming for a solid, if undersized pocket that may facilitate Campbell's ability to run for yardage. While Eli gets a 10 step drop with a solid line keeping everything in front of him. Others get to know it's coming but try to push it while things open up. Campbell hopes for the eye of the huricane. Hopes. While nut-bags like Collinsworth ( who wouldn't know a football were it wrapped by Peyton as a gift) get to berate him on prime time.

Statistically Campbell is very accurate with a high yardage per catch. Maybe Cooley and Davis help in yards after the catch but it is anomalous that he seems to out produce "pro-bowl" QBs despite the woeful line. Also mentioning Cooley and Davis, they seem below average blockers which in the present line scenario is not quite ideal. I'd like to see Campbell become noted for leading come back from behind victories, though I might prefer Doug Williams being a superbowl MVP for breaking out big in the first half. I think if the Cowboys and Skins swapped one of their TE both teams would be better. Where the Cowboys may be better suited for 3rd down and coming from behind, when the D is geared up for the pass.

Why is Colt always injured? I guess the narcissist in me roots for him to get some playing time. Some balance of karma for all the beach time picking up rich white girls in Hawaii. You realize he copies what you fans write leaving it for all to see at his Hawaiian beach house. Not quite pick up material, but post-pick up material. Scub, with all the pay and none of the play. Or is it plenty of play with out having to pay.

Posted by: chavez66 | December 31, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope Snyder is not involved in any of these matters. He's just not smart enough.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | December 31, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

My god, can't this guy just go away. It seems like there is an article about this guy everyday in the Post. Either it's the Post feeling sorry for him, or it "hasn't been fair", blah, blah, blah. He's mediocre at best and was a reach at the time Gibbs took him. End of story. Move on.

Posted by: garg8050 | December 31, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

My prediction:

Zorn goes to Cleveland to be offensive coordinator and call offensive plays. Jason Campbell follows ...

Posted by: mcgratsp | December 31, 2009 1:32 PM

Zorn may not be a great head coach, but he is not dumb. JC can forget ever being on any team which may have one of his previous coaches - that is, of course, unless his name is Gibbs.

Posted by: hock1 | December 31, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Landry needs to go or be moved to a position that requires less thinking. Carlos Rogers also needs to be replaced. Good receivers have his number. And Campbell needs to leave. He will never be accepted here no matter what he does. A new start is needed and my guess is that if he is taken by a team that really wants him, they will adapt their offense around what a strong armed QB like him does best. In any event it will take the Redskins several years to be contenders.

Posted by: oakiedokie | December 31, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

No way should the team match any offer to him... Campbell will be lucky to hang around the leagues for than 4 more years. I highly doubt he will be a starter next unless there is an injury. I wish him well, but I won't miss him

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | December 31, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

What is the average career length, 4 years. If Jason stays around 4 more years, he has more that doubled it! Not sure what your point is!

Posted by: oakiedokie | December 31, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oakiedokie

What is the average career length, 4 years. If Jason stays around 4 more years, he has more that doubled it! Not sure what your point is!
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Your right... but IMO most of that will be as a backup. I hope he gets paid, I just don't want him in Burgundy and Gold

Posted by: SkinzNWiz | December 31, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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