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Campbell's Teammates Bear Burden, Too

From Jason Reid

Although quarterback Jason Campbell is under the microscope as the Redskins continue their transition to Coach Jim Zorn's version of the West Coast offense, all of the team's top offensive players must raise their level of play for the new scheme to work, several of Campbell's teammates said.

"It's not just about JC," wide receiver Santana Moss said. "JC has to do his job, but we've all got jobs to do."

The Redskins produced only 209 yards of total offense and converted 3 of 13 third down chances in last week's 16-7 season-opening loss to the New York Giants at Giants Stadium. Campbell completed 15 of 27 passes for 133 yards with one touchdown. He had an 81.2 passer rating.

In the locker room after the game, Moss and Campbell spoke about went wrong, "but I don't think he should be the only person I said something to," Moss said. "Yeah, I said something to him, but I didn't say nothing to him almost as if he did something wrong, or he didn't do something right.

"I just told him it's a long season and that game is behind us now. We've got a lot to look at and a lot to build from."

Owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, in his first season as Washington's executive vice president of football operations, decided to overhaul the offense in the offseason, firing former play-caller Al Saunders in the shakeup that occurred when Joe Gibbs retired after the 2007 season.

Campbell had been in Saunders's system for two years. For the sake of Campbell's development, some in the organization had hoped Snyder and Cerrato would have given Saunders at least another season. Snyder and Cerrato, however, were determined to make a change, and Washington's offense is experiencing inevitable growing pains.
When asked about his expectations in a recent interview with Comcast SportsNet, Snyder said winning the division and making a good run in the playoffs would be a successful season in his view. The Redskins did not win the NFC East in four seasons after Gibbs returned to the team to work for Snyder. Twice they advanced to the postseason, winning one game.

Now, with a rookie head coach and a quarterback trying to learn a new offense in only his second full season as a starter, the Redskins are supposed to accomplish more than they did under a Hall of Fame coach? Even the blocking schemes are different this season, putting more pressure on Campbell, so patience is needed now, players said.

"It's a whole lot different for Jason," Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels said. "Last year, we would make all of the [blocking calls] and pretty much make the adjustments against different blitzes. Now, Jason has to make a lot of those calls.

"It's got to be tough. It's hard enough knowing the things that I've got to know. With Jason, he has to know a ton more, so it has to be hard."
...
Linebacker Khary Campbell, who missed practice Monday after having blood drained from his quadriceps, said he was "feeling better" and hopes to return to practice Wednesday.

"It's better than it was," Campbell said. "I'm not really sure about [practicing Wednesday]. We'll just have to see how it feels."

A pocket of blood formed in Campbell's quadriceps, Zorn said, limiting his mobility and prompting team trainers to hold him out of practice. Campbell, a key contributor on special teams, should be fine, Zorn said.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 9, 2008; 12:03 PM ET
 
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Comments

Tanaman stepping up for JC, nice to see

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I said something to him, but I didn't say nothing to him almost as if he did something wrong, or he didn't do something right."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Yogi Berra | September 9, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Does $nyder own Comcast now, too?

He is such a dork! I hate the sight of him.

Posted by: What? Who? | September 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

What do you call a guy who makes blocking calls? Oh right a quarterback. Sorry you get paid millions that is no excuse.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | September 9, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It's easy for us as fans sitting on the couch or in the pub to criticize and place all the blame on JC. But none of us watch game film and none of us knows what goes on "between the lines" on the field.

Yeah, JC makes mistakes, but there are 10 other dudes on the offense thinking about logging in to their Bank of America account to check their balance after the game.

Posted by: Pretzel Boy | September 9, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"Washington's offense is experiencing inevitable growing pains."

Growing pains are inevitable ... what happened vs the Jints was not

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it was nice to see that the Skins gave JC a break on Thursday -- apparently they DIDN'T make him do those pesky blocking calls.

Posted by: Positive Spin | September 9, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Philly runs the same WC offense that we are trying to install. Granted it's a new system for us and JC and Philly/McNabb have been running it for years, but the difference between our first game and Philly's is ridiculous. Eagles had 3 receivers over 100 yards, JC had 133 altogether. I know it's new to us, but these are all professional NFL players. Every time the Eagles throw, the field just seems wide open, but when we do, we appear all bunched up, hurried. Zorn and Andy Reid are both from the Holmgren tree, and Philly airs it out deep constantly, yet we can't complete a hitch to Cooley. Philly does have a younger o-line too. Hopefully it'll come together eventually.

Posted by: Quinn | September 9, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

yea, Hackett woulda been great. I can hear it now, "OOOOWwwiiieeee, my toe hurts. I can't play today." To which Zorn replies, "I tried to tell the FO you were a pus."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:12 PM

I could be wrong, but Hackett played on Sunday, while Kelley was inactive due to injury.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:13 PM

I don't know if he played or not. I know he had an injured toe for a while. My point being, he is always injured, and if Zorn wanted him (he knows Hackett from Seattle), he could have gotten him.


Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

From the previous post:

"Flowers is starting and had a good game against the Pats"

Really? What constitutes a good game? Because according to the Post, Flowers did not register a tackle, nor a pass defensed, nor an interception??

How is that a good game? How is it a good game if you as a cornerback allow Matt Cassell, who hasn't started a game in College nor the Pro's to come out of the game as a winner, and having compiled a 116 passing rating?

This has me BAFFLED......

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

psp,

What you fale to realize is that if you need a coach to to get you to play hard, then you are a sorry excuse for a Pro athlete.

What do you want Zorn to do throw them a pep rally.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:18 PM

So you think Randy Moss has that natural intensity? Sure seemed to work for him at the end of his Minnesota tenure and while he was at Oakland. Yet he plays one season for Bill Belichick and becomes the "consummate professional" in work ethic and attitude. Coincidence? Not even close.

That's what coaching is, getting your players prepared to play. That includes mentally. These players have already proved they CAN be motivated to play with the utmost intensity, but if they won't do it for Zorn, that tells you something.

As I said before, that should be Zorn's top priority right now; Getting his players to play with the same passion and emotion that they showed under Gibbs. It doesn't matter how brilliant his tactics are if he can't get his team to match the effort and intensity of the opponent.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson didn't have problems as a receiver in his new system. Oh, and in his new PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE.

Posted by: Just sayin'... | September 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

CB stats are the toughest to decipher. I have no idea if the dude had a good game or not but if you shut down your guy and he never gets throw to and keep contain on the few times you're called up to do so you can have a great game without registering one stat.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

JC on da radio now....

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

As I said before, that should be Zorn's top priority right now; Getting his players to play with the same passion and emotion that they showed under Gibbs. It doesn't matter how brilliant his tactics are if he can't get his team to match the effort and intensity of the opponent.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:31 PM

You are 100% correct. Coaches do impact intensity and these players are capable of playing with intensity. Even the Meadowlands.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I need parking passes for the RV lot at FEDEX!!!!!!!! I'll take a seasons worth off your hands. I can trade for reg green lot passes if you need those. Please repost if you can hook it up. Thanks!

Posted by: marc | September 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

4th, Jake Delhomme for Michael Turner ... you need QB cuz that other guy got hurt ... Jake has a lot of upside this year.


Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anon, I ain't buyin it.

He had a good game, but wasn't involved in ONE tackle, nor did he register ONE stat.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

don't know where you got your stats greg but flowers had 6 tackles 5 solo

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Philly runs the same WC offense that we are trying to install. Granted it's a new system for us and JC and Philly/McNabb have been running it for years, but the difference between our first game and Philly's is ridiculous.

Posted by: Quinn | September 9, 2008 12:25 PM

No, you comparing us to Philly is what's ridiculous. A QB/coach/offense in place for 9 YEARS vs. our squad together for 1 game. If you think back to Reid and McNabb's first year together, it was a disaster. I think they won only like 5 games and McNabb threw a damning pick against us to lose in Philly.

For those in the "why didn't we take Royal" crowd, hindsight is 20/20 (or 50/50 if you're Spurrier). How many people do you think would have taken Marques Colston before Round 7 in '06? The only beef I have with this year's draft is that 1) we had NO BUSINESS taking a backup TE in the 2nd round and 2) we overdid it with pass catchers and spent damn near nothing on the team's two biggest needs, OL and DL. Time will tell how bad it turns out, but it is what it is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 9, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

So you think Randy Moss has that natural intensity? Sure seemed to work for him at the end of his Minnesota tenure and while he was at Oakland. Yet he plays one season for Bill Belichick and becomes the "consummate professional" in work ethic and attitude. Coincidence? Not even close.

That's what coaching is, getting your players prepared to play. That includes mentally. These players have already proved they CAN be motivated to play with the utmost intensity, but if they won't do it for Zorn, that tells you something.

As I said before, that should be Zorn's top priority right now; Getting his players to play with the same passion and emotion that they showed under Gibbs. It doesn't matter how brilliant his tactics are if he can't get his team to match the effort and intensity of the opponent.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:31 PM

You just made my point Gibbs players were not prepared to play alot of the times there mental mistakes were terrible, and this was a result of Gibbs always putting it on him. If the players are never at fault why would they change.

And if you are playing hard for a coach, I think you score on that drive at the end of the Gints game last year. CP was playing so hard for his coach he took himself out of the game.

Randy Moss is a tool he plays hard when there is something in it for him, he thought he could win a SB last year hence the playing hard, coach had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, I have no idea what kind of game he had but Tryon had like 10 tackles in the final preseason game. How'd he do?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Because according to the Post, Flowers did not register a tackle, nor a pass defensed, nor an interception??

I stated I got them from the Post. Which doesn't show Flowers as having registered a single stat.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

and surtain was beat for the TD and the deep ball, flowers played a very solid game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Campbell on the radio - man, his voice is so monotone, almost lifeless...

Hate to pile on here, but he's got to get some enthusiasm, self-confidence in him.

Afterall, he is the leader of the team.

Posted by: GAD | September 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Just as a quick comparison. If GG had been chosen as HC, walked into the locker room and said "we have unfinished business" ... that alone would fire up the team.

Zorn, because he wasn't here in 2007, is an outsider to that. He needs to find his own way of firing up the team. As of week 1, he hasn't found it.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Sure coaches can effect intensity, I am saying that if you are a true pro you should not need a coach to get you up for a game.

Zorn is tougher on the players then Gibbs was and hopefully him calling them out will get them to stand up and play with pride.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Just as a quick comparison. If GG had been chosen as HC, walked into the locker room and said "we have unfinished business" ... that alone would fire up the team

Please tell us how you know this?? Did someone on the team tell you such information?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Excuse a good coach takes what he has and creates a offense or defense that works with the strengths of team and conceals it weaknesses. You dont take your system and force it to work with what you have. it doesnt work. Took Saint Gibbs 5 games his first season to figure this out. He never had a clue the second time since he and Bugs were too busy changing their Depends
and taking care of the wood Czarniak gave them!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

well then the post sucks, go to espn, he was second on the team in tackles at 6, 5 solo, then go to the team's site and you will read a quote by surtain discussing how his two bad plays cost them the game.....this is a silly argument, but at least get it right, all I am trying to say is I would feel much better right now if we had drafted another olineman, or a DE, or a DT, a LB, or a C, or a S that has the talent to contribute/start in the 2nd round instead of 3 guys that at best we're hoping 1 turns into a starter and we knew that ahead of time because Cooley and Moss aren't going anywhere.....dumb picks is my POINT!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Just as a quick comparison. If GG had been chosen as HC, walked into the locker room and said "we have unfinished business" ... that alone would fire up the team.

Zorn, because he wasn't here in 2007, is an outsider to that. He needs to find his own way of firing up the team. As of week 1, he hasn't found it.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:43 PM

Again with this firing up the team be a man and play hard because you are paid to do so.

Sure Zorn needs to work on somethings as a new coach and hopefully he gets it figured out pretty quickly, but one thing he should not have to worry about is his players intensity.

Do you need your boss to fire you up at work for you to do your job

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

People, why don't you start your analysis with a consideration of the talent on our roster, before you go squawking about lesser issues of coaching, gameplan, etc. Honestly, where would you rank our OL, receivers, QB and DL in a league table?

I'll tell you: OL = 27, WR=22, QB=25 and DL=15. You can't make fondue out of concrete, and our team doesn't have the ingrediants at this point. Why? Because of horrid off-season moves for a WHOPPING 15 years, because of horrid talent evaluation, because JG was past it, Marty was cut off at the knees and our FO doesn't have a 5 year plan.

Posted by: Brett Mandable | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry anon, I ain't buyin it.

He had a good game, but wasn't involved in ONE tackle, nor did he register ONE stat.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:38 PM

Fireballs for soup anyone? Testing...Testing...1 2 3

Posted by: Sharpie | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Favre didn't have any problems adjusting to the Jets scheme... too many excuses from the enabling media...

Posted by: JBo | September 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The most interesting part of the post is that JC has to call the blocking schemes.
Rabach did that last year.

This is probably one reason the protection isn't what it needs to be.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Do you need your boss to fire you up at work for you to do your job

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM

Sometimes, which is one reason I like my boss so much.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This OL has to play better for things to work.. i think thats been a problem for some time now.. JC never seems to have the time and space around him the other QB's have.. looking at McNabb, Romo, and others this weekend.. they seem to have so much more time than JC, who always seems on the run or someone in his face.. plus the receivers just aren't getting off the line well either..

Posted by: vgp | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So greg you got some bad stat info, used it to back up your "agenda" I would call it a mistake, or maybe a bad source, but some (you) would say your a LIAR.

Wow that is some funny siht right there.

Here is the ESPN box score link:

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=280907017

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Here are Brandon Flowers stats from ESPN:


Brandon Flowers #24 CB» Add Widget
2008 STATS
TACK FF INT
6 0 0
Birth Date February 18, 1986
Birth Place Delray Beach, FL
Height 5-9
Weight 187 lbs.
Age 22
Position CB
College Virginia Tech

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Sunday 9/14, 1:00 PM ET CBSProfileStatsSplitsGame LogNewsScouting Photos

Stats Overview Tackles Misc Interceptions
SPLIT TOT SOLO AST SACK STF STFY FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2008 6 5 1 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

zj, again, agree to disagree.

Lets let this one pan out though, shall we.

Lets allow for a greater number of games to be played, before declaring the picks stupid.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Do you need your boss to fire you up at work for you to do your job

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM

Sometimes, which is one reason I like my boss so much.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM

If you worked for me you would be gone, I am sure your boss has better things to do then come and give you a personall pep rally.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is tougher on the players then Gibbs was and hopefully him calling them out will get them to stand up and play with pride.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:43 PM

Hopefully...that's all I'm saying. Hopefully Zorn figures it out.

And he's not tougher on them than Gibbs, I'd be willing to bet. Just because Gibbs showered them with praise in the media does NOT mean he did the same behind closed doors. Gibbs was much like Belichick in that he actually says nothing to the media or fans, only his "nothing" is done by throwing out the same meaningless lines after every game (hard-fought, played their guts out, swinging souls, etc).

But like I said, hopefully Zorn figures his way. That should be his first priority right now.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Brett Mandable, excellent post and too true, the worst part about all this, is with 10 draft picks this year we could have gone a long way towards patching the holes in our boat and righting the ship, instead we just ignored the holes and tried to get a pretty new sail on it by drafting a bunch of guys at positions we already had quality with Cooley and Moss and decent depth ARE, Thrash, Mix, and cheap available FA options. Now we're stuck still trying to fix those holes jason taylor move, started a second year undrafted FA at RT, still having questionable depth on both lines, still have questionable depth at LB, still have questionable depth with injury prone corners, and having Reed Doughty as your starting SS.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

cl, your stuff is so weak...

Your right, you're always right, you overbearing, pompous prick.

The post doesn't list him having any stats. Look it up yourself.

Versus

Someone saying a rookie receiver had 6 catches EVEN THOUGH HE HADN"T PLAYED YET.

Thats exactly the same...go hang yourself..

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

CL 1-0

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully...that's all I'm saying. Hopefully Zorn figures it out.

And he's not tougher on them than Gibbs, I'd be willing to bet. Just because Gibbs showered them with praise in the media does NOT mean he did the same behind closed doors. Gibbs was much like Belichick in that he actually says nothing to the media or fans, only his "nothing" is done by throwing out the same meaningless lines after every game (hard-fought, played their guts out, swinging souls, etc).

But like I said, hopefully Zorn figures his way. That should be his first priority right now.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 12:54 PM

I got this from former players who were around the park all the time, Gibbs practices were soft compared to 1.0. And players were not held accountable even in private.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood26: I couldn't agree more.

But for those of you who feel the need to make comparisons of the Eagles vs the Redskins, please do me this favor:

Compare things that make sense.

For example: Offensive production of the Eagles against the Giants versus the Redskins against the Giants. Or the Eagles versus the Redskins.

@Quinn: All questions of experience in a system aside, you simply cannot compare performances against the defending SuperBowl champions defense (which shut down the Brady and Co. last year) to Rams (sub .500, maybe .250 win % last year) defense which is, well, awful.

Posted by: AppleScience | September 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Again with this firing up the team be a man and play hard because you are paid to do so.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 12:47 PM

So, would you rather remake the whole team out of guys that purely self-motivated, or make sure the you get a coach that can bring together a talented group of players and make them play the way a team should?

I'm going with the latter. Zorn needs to show he can do it, or he will be gone. No two ways about it. Snyder won't sit around and babysit Zorn. I wouldn't either.

Hopefully Zorn figures it out sooner rather than later.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Enough of this BS...every year we hear the same old song and dance we got to learn something new...well football is football now with all the OTA's and mini camps then training camp what did they learn? What were they doing? If and this goes back to any class i've been in but if you don't understand something you ask a question...did we not see these same problems during OTA's, mini camps and training camp? The blocking scheme has changed we're going to the west coast offense i would like to think that while learning this before the season started some of these issues would have surfaced and questions would have been asked so that when the real games started it wouldn't be such a shock... I think we have the only team where you need a book "Football for Dummies"

Posted by: Kevin | September 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Greg resorts to name calling. CL 2-0.
Close to OWNED.

Posted by: Judge Judy | September 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

zj, again, agree to disagree.

Lets let this one pan out though, shall we.

Lets allow for a greater number of games to be played, before declaring the picks stupid.

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 12:51 PM

Greg, again, you're completely missing the point. I don't care if Kelly, Thomas, and Davis become good players or not, they were picks at the few places we didn't need them at the expense of filling needs. That part is inarguable and I don't care how many games are played. This team already had very decent weapons at the skill positions, that wasn't and isn't our problem, our problem is this team is slowly and in some cases rapidly eroding at its core and instead of using 5 picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds on players that could fix that the use 1 (rinehart) and the others on the flashy picks (3 pass catchers and an extremely undersized but fast and mouthy corner) which is what this FO always does!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Judy got it right.

Posted by: stumped | September 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea JC needs to be more intense as well, he was just on DOC's show and he sounds like he has one foot in the grave already. I have never heard anyone that laid back who plays QB in the NFL. He will never be a good QB until he takes control of the offense, and holds guys on it accountable. I wonder if he talks like that in the huddle no wonder they have a problem getting plays off in time.

QB has to have a very strong personality and JC does not have it.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow greg really ratcheting up the rhetoric huh? Go hang myself, nice.

I have always been cool to you greg but your apologist BS is out of hand lately.

I was simply pointing out that mistakes happen and it would be nice to not accuse each other of lying. Especially when the "liar" copped to his mistake and misreading of the name. Yet Not 24 hours later you got caught in the same type of mistake. Now again I would say hey Greg your facts were wrong, it happens not need to insult each other. Which was exactly my original point

But I will leave it this:

F Greg

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Zeke - I need multiple players for Turner.

He will be fantasy king of the year and I'm not letting him go for a ham sandwich....

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

So, would you rather remake the whole team out of guys that purely self-motivated, or make sure the you get a coach that can bring together a talented group of players and make them play the way a team should?

I'm going with the latter. Zorn needs to show he can do it, or he will be gone. No two ways about it. Snyder won't sit around and babysit Zorn. I wouldn't either.

Hopefully Zorn figures it out sooner rather than later.

Posted by: psps23 | September 9, 2008 1:00 PM

And Zorn should not have to babysit whiny players who need pep rallys to play hard, what does a good team like the eagles do when a guy is not giving it his all, do the fire the coach for not getting him ready to play no the get rid of the player.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

JC on da radio now....

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 12:33 PM

W/o even listening:...

"We're all in this thing together..."

"But at the same time..."

"Like I said, it's all of us together..."

"But at the same time..."

Posted by: What? Who? | September 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

My "apologist bs", yeah, there you go.

Asking for people to stop jumping to conclusions after ONE game, what was I thinking???

He didn't "cop to his mistake" until it was pointed out to him, that the person whom he claimed had 6 catches, HADN'T even played yet.

The Post has the stats wrong, so take it up with them......

Posted by: Greg | September 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to JC on the radio and it sounded to me like he was saying he was going to play his way. He said he was going to play Jason Campbell football and not worry about playing the way everyone else wants him to play. He said he was going to play the way he felt comfortable. Throwing of the Zorn shackles?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Zeke - I need multiple players for Turner.

He will be fantasy king of the year and I'm not letting him go for a ham sandwich....

Posted by: 4th | September 9, 2008 1:05 PM

Turner had a big game against the LIONS, look what we did to them last year, and the eagles, and basically everybody they played. Turner will have a great year, maybe even a top 10 year, but look at the rest of his schedule, he aint the "fantasy king" this year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Greg relax buddy, you got called out it was pretty funny. No reason to get all fired up about it. It was a Jacobs-Landry moment but you get up dust yourself off and fight on.

Posted by: Skinz | September 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Lets hope that works for him, or he might see the bench quicker then he thinks.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

before we get into midseason form bashing the skins, we need to honestly ask ourselves what are my expectations of this year? If we look at what we have and what we want to do offensively this season is a wash. from top to bottom the team just not very good, Moron owner and Cerrato well he is what he is, rookie HC, young qb learnin yet another system, aging o/d lines, banged up lb and suspect cb. Zorn needs to adjust his philosophy a bit, dumb it down, use your best weapon first Portis, go to 5,7 step drops and gradually work the WCO into the game. He has to try to gain an advantage early and running the ball is more of a safe bet than immeditatly putting pressure on JC

Posted by: rjh | September 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

PSP,

Lets call a agree to disagree on the coach and intensity issue, I see your point but believe in mine, we could do this all day.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I want Jason Campbell to succeed, but its time for him to shut up and produce. I don't want to hear his interview with this reporter and his comments to that reporter and how everything is going to be fine. Shut up and play. You can't talk your way to the Pro Bowl and until you start playing better I don't really want to see and hear you on the radio and TV.

Posted by: rb | September 9, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope that works for him, or he might see the bench quicker then he thinks.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:11 PM

Is Campbell trying to challenge Zorn? A QB who doesn't take coaching won't be starting unless is name is Favre or Brady. This really isn't encouraging.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Can't comment on the individual players we drafted because I genuinely don't know them until I see them at the pro level.

I do know that plenty of 'can't miss guys' suck and bunches of 'no names' become studs.

When I look at a draft, I ask this question. What will this team need in 2 years? The I look at the odds of a draft pick filling that need.

For example, the odds of a 2nd round WR pick being a success in the NFL is about 1/3 and the odds of him being a stud is about 1/10. Why pick 2 guys? To improve your odds. I have no problem with that. Thought the Spaghetti Gang was smart to do that.

I do not understand a TE with a 2nd round pick when there is a young Pro Bowl TE already on the team. At best, this guy won't be an every down player.

Did not understand picking Colt, though there might be something to that one as things evolve. Didn't understand Brooks, as he isn't enough of an upgrade over the previous guy to justify a pick.

The real problem with the draft has been cumulative. Since 2004 (5 drafts) the Skins have made 31 picks. Just 3 OL. Just 3 DL

1 guard, 2 OT (3rd, 6th and 7th round). On the DL, 3 picks (all 5th round or later)

Out of the 22 positions, 9 are on the lines. So they should be roughly 40% of your picks. For the Skins, its just below 20% and only 1 was a 1st day pick. By comparison, there have been 4 tight ends picked.

6 picks for 9 slots. 4 picks for fill 1 slot.

Thats the draft issue, in a nutshell.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope that works for him, or he might see the bench quicker then he thinks.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:11 PM

Is Campbell trying to challenge Zorn? A QB who doesn't take coaching won't be starting unless is name is Favre or Brady. This really isn't encouraging.

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 9, 2008 1:14 PM

I agree, but maybe Zorn is loosening the reigns a little. Talking about the shotgun seems to point to that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

JC strikes me as a good guy, a class act. But if he doesn't produce then what is the point. By produce I mean victories and decent stats. That's the only reasonable basis for keeping in the position. If he falls short by mid-season, trade him and give Colt a shot. Same methodology applies to Colt until we land the winner we deserve.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I do not mind Zorn loosening the reins but JC still needs to play within the offense and get better, and why the hell does he not run more, did you see Aaron slow a$$ Rogers running around last night.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hate it when I see good Skinsfans resort to insulting each-other when we should be going after other teams fans.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I just heard the comments from JC again he sad he is going to go out and play, and not worry about what people are telling him to do.

I have a feeling JC is talking out of his a$$, and will be benched if he tries to freelance.

He is being coached for a reason, he was not that good before and needs work.

Posted by: Flounder | September 9, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

+++What do you call a guy who makes blocking calls? Oh right a quarterback. Sorry you get paid millions that is no excuse.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | September 9, 2008 12:21 PM+++

Actually, in the pros, he's usually called a "center." Just ask P. Manning or Jeff Saturday

Posted by: Corkczar | September 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

+++Philly runs the same WC offense that we are trying to install. Granted it's a new system for us and JC and Philly/McNabb have been running it for years, but the difference between our first game and Philly's is ridiculous. Eagles had 3 receivers over 100 yards, JC had 133 altogether.

Posted by: Quinn | September 9, 2008 12:25 PM+++

Wait til Sunday when Malcolm Kelly takes over the game,. 8-10 catches, minimum.

Posted by: Glass Half Full Corkczar | September 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"You are 100% correct. Coaches do impact intensity and these players are capable of playing with intensity. Even the Meadowlands.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 9, 2008 12:35 PM"

Nonsense. Motivational leaders is for sissies.

Posted by: George S. Patton | September 9, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Al Suanders is looking pretty darne good to little Dano Snyder about now!

Heck, after a few more embarrassing losses, Dano will be pining for Martyball again!

It's at least funny to watch the ineptitude of this franchise, on Sun. (or Thur.)

Brees should make mincedmeat out of the dbs that only can pray to have Springs back.

Posted by: bulldog | September 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Alex.

Maybe one of us should pose as a Cowgirls fan and start talking jive.

Never underestimate the uniting power of hatred for the Cowboys!

As for Jason Campbell, he's got a good head on his shoulders, and he'll certainly approach these next few weeks right, but I agree with the masses that he's running out of time.

I think he needs to take more risks with the ball. I love that he doesn't turn it over, but he needs to be able to get rid of the ball quickly and decisively and throw the ball into tight spaces.

Show off that pin-point accuracy, Jason!

Posted by: Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) | September 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Brett Mandable, excellent post and too true, the worst part about all this, is with 10 draft picks this year we could have gone a long way towards patching the holes in our boat and righting the ship, instead we just ignored the holes and tried to get a pretty new sail on it by drafting a bunch of guys at positions we already had quality with Cooley and Moss and decent depth ARE, Thrash, Mix, and cheap available FA options. Now we're stuck still trying to fix those holes jason taylor move, started a second year undrafted FA at RT, still having questionable depth on both lines, still have questionable depth at LB, still have questionable depth with injury prone corners, and having Reed Doughty as your starting SS.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM

While I agree that the Redskins could've done a more efficient job filling team weaknesses with their 10 picks, their passing game has been anemic for several years now. Yes they actually do need some better receivers, and hopefully Thomas, Kelly and Davis will eventually provide them with the firepower they need.

No doubt a little overkill on the Redskins part, but not because they're not filling a real need, but because they also desperately need depth/improvement elsewhere. To me the most glaring hole going into the draft was at offensive line. As some Post writers like to say it's a quarterback's league and the Redskins need to be able to protect their quarterback.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | September 9, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Stop the madness about Philly running the West Coast offense. Who cares since we know how many Superbowls they have won with it.

Posted by: dcwun | September 9, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

This is one outlet that I wish had nver been granted to fans.

You guys have no clue on what motivates palyers coaches. These people are "people' just as much as the next person.

Yeah, I may have been wishy washy with the way I feel about the team sometimes, but some of the post are totally absurd that I read out here/up here is unbelieveable.

This must be what a friend was talking about when he said "...the young NFL fan..."

Some of you are worse than the Ravnes fan writing alot to sh...t out here.

HTTR

Posted by: Skip in VA | September 9, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say as a whole, you guys sure are an entertaining bunch!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | September 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

1 week into the season guys. Hold off on all the Colt sucking-off at least for a few weeks. Remember, week 1 of a 17 weeks season. New coach and new O. Give the skins a chance to learn the system a little bit.

We won't know for sure how things really are until the season is over. Remember the Marty year...0-5 to 8-8.

Posted by: 1 week into season... | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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