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Redskins would rather face Kolb than Vick, Rogers says

To hear cornerback Carlos Rogers tell it, the Redskins would much rather face Kevin Kolb than Michael Vick.

Unfortunately for the Redskins, however, Vick is the Philadelphia Eagles' starting quarterback. And with Vick playing at a high level again, the Redskins are preparing for a major challenge in a must-win game Sunday at Lincoln Financial Field.

"We're going to be jamming the receivers but also keeping an eye on him," Rogers said of Vick. "Whatever the down and distance is, he's got the ability to scramble and get the yardage. We're going to have guys watching him.

"But also we're going to have to put our hands on these receivers to not climb up on the safeties. Every week, they're getting 40-, 50-, 60-yard touchdowns. You look at [wide receiver DeSean] Jackson got only [13] catches. But he's leading the league in yardage, so that's something we got to do to stop them from getting up on our safeties."

Jackson ranks third in the NFL with 318 yards and second with a 24.5-yard average. He has scored two touchdowns. Jeremy Maclin has 11 receptions for 147 yards (a 13.4-yard average) and four touchdowns.

Although Vick is a three-time Pro Bowler, he has never played better than he has the past three weeks, Rogers said, because now he has "explosive receivers outside. I don't think he had explosive guys like this [when he was with Atlanta] that can get down the field. Them guys can occupy your safeties, occupy your corners, and to put a linebacker on him [Vick], a lot of guys don't stand a chance."

So Vick has to be spied on by a safety?

"No doubt. No doubt," Rogers said. "That's kind of an even match. You put a lineman or a linebacker on him, they have no chance."

In some packages, the Redskins plan to use strong safety LaRon Landry as a spy on Vick, "but there's going to be a lot of people spying on him," Rogers said. "We got different packages of different guys gonna look at him, so it's going to be a mixture of everything."

When Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb, who is also mobile, was with the Eagles, "Donovan had the arm," Rogers said. "He can throw it and also he can run, so you had to keep an eye on him. More with him, you can spy with one of our faster linebackers. Vick, he gonna need a db [defensive back] on him.

"...And his ability to extend plays with his arm and the run, that's very key for their offense. And as you see watching film, you see why he [Reid] made the change. Once you look at him, you look at Kolb, he [Kolb] can make the throws. He can make some of the plays. But once that pressure get on you, he don't have the ability like Vick to get out there and make first downs and run like he do."

The Redskins, however, will not be in their nickel packages for the whole game. "We've got a lot of stuff out of base that you can play," Rogers said. "It depends on what they giving us on they offense, depends on what we play."

So the Redskins are disappointed Kolb is the Eagles' backup?

"I like Vick and wish the best for him," Rogers said. "But if we had Kolb, you know, it might change up a few things. But we got Vick, and that's the biggest challenge. We got to step up to the next challenge and play."

Vick's unpredictability is what makes him most dangerous.

"Some of his stuff is on time, his ability to scramble is not on time," Rogers said. "But his arm ... he still can throw it. Being sacked, you know, [with] his back leg, he's still getting the ball out there. You got to look at both sides. Once a play breakdown it's still not over with. So we'll be running a lot."

Diminutive wideout Brandon Banks, who rejoined the team on the practice squad Monday, is playing the role of Vick on the scout team this week.
"Them guys gonna be beat up a little bit this week in practice," Rogers said. "I already told 'em, man, 'We sorry, but we gonna have to put our hands on you.' "

By Jason Reid  | September 29, 2010; 3:47 PM ET
Categories:  Carlos Rogers  
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Comments

McNabb's heart is still in Philly....

Posted by: Alan4 |

...but he lost his wallet in el Secundo.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

'We sorry, but we gonna have to put our hands on you.' "

I wouldn't worry about that with Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The Kremlin is about to unleash The KGB on Carlos Rogers.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

DT11?

Look, this is not a case of a rookie, whom we don't know what he can do....

We know that last year there were games he showed himself quite capable. New Orleans for example.

Is the Ego of Shanahan at work again here, refusing to simply play DT11?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if ole "'Los" is intentionally trying to get in Shanny's doghouse by revealing strategy (e.g., making zone look like man/man look like zone, intending to jam receivers, etc.)? I bet a number of these dudes would HOPE to get cut!

Posted by: nojunk4me | September 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

DT11?
Look, this is not a case of a rookie, whom we don't know what he can do....
We know that last year there were games he showed himself quite capable. New Orleans for example.
Is the Ego of Shanahan at work again here, refusing to simply play DT11?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 29, 2010 3:58 PM

It just seems that you would want to get the ball in the hands of the most explosive players on the team...I guess there may be a master plan...but the redskins are 1 and 2 with all three games being winable...and a gamebreaking or game changing play in either of those losses could have been huge. I don't get it...but I'm not an NFL coach.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Forget that Vick is an Iggle for a second. I can't help but root for the guy to do well and I'm not exactly sure why that is. The long odds of sitting out 3 years and then being able to play well is one thing. But to do that and play better than before..wow, def watching something extraordinary.

Now, remember that he's an Iggle again and hate him for that. Landry, this is Vick...Vick, Landry.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

ray, what other explanation could there be....Galloway got a shot, Williams got a shot, but they simply refuse to throw the ball to, or involve Thomas....if he can't learn the plays, then why bother keeping him...if they were offered picks for this guy, and they had no intentions of playing him, why not trade him??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Even if Devin Thomas is retarded you can put him in to run screens, flys and slants. Any pattern that is predetermined if you do not trust him to read the defense and run the right route. Him getting no time is a head scratcher given our limited options at WR.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 29, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Ugh!!!!! I heard Steve Young talk about when other teams would use a "spy" on him.

He loved it!!! Said it was the best way to help the offense. Gave him more time to throw and he knew where the guy was going to be, so he didn't have to worry about him.

I'm quoting Young as best as I can remember ... "When they'd put a spy out there, I'd just drop back and I'd have all day to throw it. I'd be back there and it was like a day at the beach, la da dee, la da dee. It made the game so much easier."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

'We sorry, but we gonna have to put our hands on you.' "

I wouldn't worry about that with Rogers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2010 3:55 PM

Hilarious!!!!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

DT won't run routes, that's why he's not in there.
Posted by: wbbradb

Where did you read this? And did it say he won't/refuses, or he can't/is too dumb to learn?

I know Shanny likes being an enigma, but this whole DT thing has gotten ridiculous.

Posted by: NYPDee | September 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not sure why DT is not playing on offense.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm quoting Young as best as I can remember ... "When they'd put a spy out there, I'd just drop back and I'd have all day to throw it. I'd be back there and it was like a day at the beach, la da dee, la da dee. It made the game so much easier."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2010 4:09 PM

Now we're gonna need a super secret spy zcez...thanks alot carlos...

Posted by: PlayAction | September 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Is the Ego of Shanahan at work again here, refusing to simply play DT11?

Posted by: RedskinRay1


You bet it is. The man's ego is on par with any egotistical NFL WR you can think of. I agree with the "what can it possibly hurt?" crowd. Like TS said, have him run dumbed down routes if his ability to learn and understand is that much of an issue.


Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

throw him a fargin bubble screen...

it makes no sense, all the things we've heard are that DT is 'getting it' is putting the work in, and these quotes are from MS, and KS, but then nothing....what else could be the explanation other than he's pissed of the coach, who now refuses to use him, or let his son call plays for him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

ike TS said, have him run dumbed down routes if his ability to learn and understand is that much of an issue.


Posted by: RedDMV

Seems like half the plays DJax and Maclin make are broken anyway, and we all know how good a broken-play QB McNabb is, hell, DT could fake like he knew the play then bustout to catch the pass from a moving McNabb, why the hell not??..

Posted by: frak | September 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Which QB would you rather have right now?

Donovan McNabb
Michael Vick

RI Survey several stories back


Dunno the results,a nd frankly don't care, but a better question would be.

What receiver would you prefer, DeSean Jackson or Devin Thomas?

Posted by: TheCork | September 29, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Seems like half the plays DJax and Maclin make are broken anyway, and we all know how good a broken-play QB McNabb is, hell, DT could fake like he knew the play then bustout to catch the pass from a moving McNabb, why the hell not??..

Posted by: frak | September 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Cosign. Just tell DT to get open.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just let Fred Davis line up as a wideout?

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Against vick, rush 5 guys and get your hands up.

He'll have trouble seeing his WRs over the DL and OL guys. Since his passes come out low, you can tip a lot of them.

With vick, who isn't very tall and plays low, you mess with his sight lines and that wrecks the timing plays. He'll move around, but rushing 5, makes it harder for him to find room to escape and doesn't give him much time to find a guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Against vick, rush 5 guys and get your hands up.

He'll have trouble seeing his WRs over the DL and OL guys. Since his passes come out low, you can tip a lot of them.

With vick, who isn't very tall and plays low, you mess with his sight lines and that wrecks the timing plays. He'll move around, but rushing 5, makes it harder for him to find room to escape and doesn't give him much time to find a guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

i like it.

Just beat Philly! Do it and we have first place in the NFC East. I think this mes will get cleaned up.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at the Panthers defense of old, they always had the ability to stop Vick.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

vick should have been the qb after eagle traded mcnabb kolb is a weakling slow ,weak arm and can't take a hit the very opposite of vick. kolb the great white hope" the media in phila. sold to many fools and it all came crashing down what a bunch of idiots. this game will be close or a eagle blow-out.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 29, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Skins might get to face Kolb if they are willing to take some cheap shots at Vick's legs, of course, that would call for retaliation against the slower McNabb. Kolb v. Sexy Rexy, I still don't like our odds.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 29, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

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