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Carter Has a Career-Best Day

Redskins defensive end Andre Carter played a big part in putting pressure on Carolina quarterback Jake Delhomme, who was pressured much of the day. Carter, who had never posted more than two sacks in a nine-year career that spans 122 games, was credited with two-and-a-half against the Panthers.

"It's just something that God blessed me with," Carter said. "That's all I can say. It was a blessed performance. It's something that I'll never forget. Even though we did lose, it's one of those performances that you always dream about."

Carter was also credited with two quarterback hurries, and he forced a fumble. His first sack came in the second quarter and helped force a three-and-out.

He then combined with linebacker Brian Orakpo on a third-down sack early in the fourth that helped hold the Panthers to a field goal.

"You feel like you're getting a little hot," he said. "You feel like you're in the zone."

Carter's last sack forced the Panthers to punt with 10 minutes remaining -- the punt that turned into the play that changed the game. The punt ended up hitting Washington cornerback Brian Westbrook in the leg, and the Panthers recovered.

The Steinberg Report

Dan Steinberg write on the media's appraisal of Jim Zorn's performance.

By Barry Svrluga  |  October 11, 2009; 7:30 PM ET
 
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Silver lining on a sh!t stained bed.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Carter's last sack forced the Panthers to punt with 10 minutes remaining -- the punt that turned into the play that changed the game. The punt ended up hitting Washington cornerback Brian Westbrook in the leg, and the Panthers recovered.


By Barry Svrluga | October 11, 2009; 7:30 PM ET


So it's Andre Carter's fault we lost!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 11, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry didn't get time to go through the last couples posts but did anyone mention this??

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10200950/Sources:-Shanahan-likely-to-be-next-'Skins-coach

Not that it's suprising or anything.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has done it again, don't you see? He fields a poor team and will "win" the offseason once again to feed the mignions their small dose of hope. He'll sell more jerseys of the next greatest player: fill-in-the-blank. Just like the rich players that flock to this team as free agents, they only care about their payday. Team is lost on them. I guarantee you D Hall will sleep like a baby tonight after enjoying a far to expensive meal, drinks etc... He won't think about his miserable attempt at tackling Jake until somoen else brings it up and he;ll have to be coached to sound upset about missing it.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 11, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

"Even though we did lose, it's one of those performances that you always dream about."

-Andre Carter

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Excuse me?

If playing well and losing is a dream, well, then, there you go.

Counting sheep he is, all day long.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If this game served no other useful purpose, it was a revelation for those tards who were constantly yapping on this blog about Port-o-let always running left. Well he ran right early in the game from the 5 yard line and got tackled for a safety because Julius blew past Heyer. Maybe Z figured that the Skins had gone left with such consistency that they could actually fool somebody. Problem is, it wasn't worth the risk of Heyer having to block or at the very least slow down Peppers.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

OL Injuries Change Cooley's Role---RI


That makes sense. Use Carter to block, Davis to receiver and keep Yoder on the bench.

Silly me, I'd bench Davis, use Yoder to block and Cooley to catch.

Posted by: TheCork | October 11, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Reid, are you kidding me? Who cares if Andre had a great individual performance? Only he should care as his contract has incentives built in. We fans should only care that the team wins or loses, period. You help Snyder keep the ill-informed fan base rabid for tidbits of useless drivel. Go buy more jerseys so that DS keeps his riches while we football fans keep getting below average teams.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 11, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks we saw Jim Zen trot from the field in defeat for the last time.

And no, Pabrian, this does NOT mean we will rattle off 11 consecutive wins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Reid, are you kidding me?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 11, 2009 7:41 PM

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Svrluga, Barry.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

sorry, barry?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks we saw Jim Zen trot from the field in defeat for the last time.

And no, Pabrian, this does NOT mean we will rattle off 11 consecutive wins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:42 PM

I think I agree with this. Zorn's not coming back next year, not under Snyder's watch. Get the next coach in here, let him evaluate what he has, so that in the offseason the skins won't behind the ball beyond their current handicap.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg, Dan.

[says it all.]

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

F Andre Carter's big individual day.

Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick with this team... sheesh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 11, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, the top 2 were OL and coach, it was just a matter of which order.

I agree, there are a lot of coaching issues. Lack of fire and lack of improvement are both issues. Play calling. Even subtle stuff like waiting so long to select the #2 WR in preseason or R Thomas's replacement after his injury. Even who they keep on the roster on game day.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's not coming back next week, much less next year.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

MR. SNYDER IS A DESPICABLE, REPREHENSIBLE MAN OF HUBRIS.

Posted by: redskinfan4life1 | October 11, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't give a fart if Andre Carter had 5 sacks, at the end of the day, the ones he had didn't amount to a dam thing. We lost.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Even though we did lose, it's one of those performances that you always dream about."

-Andre Carter

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With attitudes like this who needs a win?

Posted by: p1funk | October 11, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

That makes sense. Use Carter to block, Davis to receiver and keep Yoder on the bench.

Posted by: TheCork | October 11, 2009 7:39 PM |

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Cooley, Chris

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Breaks my heart to see the Skin's sink so far.

I am just your average Skins fan whose weeks mood is determined by the Skins play on Sunday.

Kind of sill now but being a Skins fan used to mean something.

Posted by: WRBD | October 11, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

most players would tell the reporter to get lost and not talk about personal accomplishments when your team loses and is firmly in last place..
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"It's just something that God blessed me with," Carter said. "That's all I can say. It was a blessed performance. It's something that I'll never forget. Even though we did lose, it's one of those performances that you always dream about." Andre Carter

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Kind of silly now but being a Skins fan used to mean something.

Posted by: WRBD | October 11, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter typifies one problem with millionaire pro athletes.

Many of them suck.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

When did we pick up "Brian" Westbrook? And why the HE** is he on punt coverage, the guys injury prone as it is!

Posted by: craig2 | October 11, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, how stooooopid is Andre Carter?

Put him in the corner with Blache and duct tape his mouth shut.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellars looked like crap on the play where Portis got tackled for the safety.

It was stupid to call a sweep with your RB in the endzone. Sweeps/stretch plays are slow developing and have a high risk of the runner being tackled for a loss.

You run that play where the loss won't give the other team points. Better to run a straight dive in that instance, the play before(QB sneak) was a good call, giving the team some operating room. DUH!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

******
"I hear them talking about leaders," Mitchell said. "You need a leader who will put his foot in someone's butt on this team. You got a lot of guys on the team that are leaders, but they don't say nothing. If I don't say nothing, you don't know if you're doing something wrong. They need some B Mitches, they need some Earnest Byners, some Wilbur Marshalls, Monte Colemans. Guys that will put their foot so far up your butt when you talk [you] smell their shoe polish. That's what they need on this football team....They need the cleats. They need to see how it feels when you're not doing your job."

*****

Um, did Brian Mitchell really talk about himself in the 3rd person, nominating himself as the kind of leader the Redskins need?

Even when he's right, BMitch is a complete donkey...he just needs to remove that "M" from his nickname, and then he'd be spot on...

Posted by: p1funk | October 11, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are definitely snakebit. They could have won the game fairly easily if the special teams hadn't gifted the Panthers with 14 points. Things like that happen when you are snakebit. I suppose you could argue that they have been snakebit ever since Snyder bought the team 10 long yrs ago.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

fire cerrato

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 11, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

p1funk agree less, I love b-mitch and he spoke the truth, so he viewed himself that way....he was.

I wish we had 53 b-mitchels right about now.


Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Snakebit = The Curse of Tom Cruise

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

2008's team that went from 6-2 W-L to 2-6 W-L, now appears to be the result of the "uncoaching" of a Gibbs team.

19 months ago, Gibbs handed Snyder a playoff team that has now become, in that short amount of time, the worst team in the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

After the game today, my wife said my son and I are stupid for being Redskins fans.

Sad to say, I couldn't even utter a response.

Posted by: 72Redskins | October 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Someone call me when Danny phukin' dies. That'll be the only chance we have.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are definitely snakebit. They could have won the game fairly easily if the special teams hadn't gifted the Panthers with 14 points. Things like that happen when you are snakebit. I suppose you could argue that they have been snakebit ever since Snyder bought the team 10 long yrs ago.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 7:57 PM

I would say things happen like that when you can't put the game away. The skins left the door open today much like the BUCs did for the skins last week. I say again, the the "interim" coach in this week, put the players on notice and let's see if they can salvage a 7-9 season.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I think we all know that our oline is in shambles, however, our coach sucks too. Sign Runyan and Levi Jones and fire Zorn....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 11, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey JReid,
how come all these polls are "vote" on Zorn or JC or other players..
But never on Snyder or Cerrato.. chicken??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Synder's belief in the whacky Church of Scientology (and his relationship with Tom Cruise) is the ONLY explanation for what ails the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to the 980 postgame show and found this very telling: when interviewing DHall (although not really an interview, didn't ask him about his non-tackle that sealed the game), Al mentioned the turnover on the punt.

Here is basically what DHall said: When I was in ATL, our coaches stressed this rule and the importance of having an early fair catch signal that was shouted so everyone on runback team could run away as fast as possible (so as not to be pushed into fair catch guy). When they were reviewing the play, I was telling the guys on teams that this was the rule, and no one believed me, they were all arguing with me and said it made no sense. But I knew that we were in trouble.

OK, so this is what passing for coaching on special teams? Seems like a telling failure to prepare the players.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 11, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato IS a real football GM. The guy was in charge of the the 49ers scouting and player personnel for NINE years, including helping build a super bowl winner and some other very very successful teams. Clearly, he has all the experience necessary, and clearly he is well respected around the league for having an eye for talent.

"People like you are the reason that nothing will ever change."

People like you are the worst fans in sports. You know absolutely nothing about the teams you attack and base everything on emotion instead of logic. It's beyond pathetic.

Please for the love of god go root for some other team. Trust me, the Redskins do not need you.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 10, 2009 1:53 PM

Barno1, this is for you. Let's take a look at some unpleasant numbers, starting with the 2-3 record:

The Redskins 2 wins came against currently winless teams.
2 losses came against previously winless teams.
3-9 dating back to last season.
Team is averaging 14.6 points a game this season. Offense is averaging 13.2 points a game (i.e. throw out the Hunter Smith TD against Giants).
Not a single 100 yard rushing game by any back on the roster this season.
Have not scored 30 points at any time during the Zorn "era."
Campbell sacked 4 times; hurried 4 times; hit 3 times today against Carolina.

The problem is the coach, not the "GM," you say? Who hired the coach? More specifically, who hired the coach who had no previous head coach OR coordinator experience?

Personally, I agree with what others have said: this team's offense has been built from the outside in with an emphasis on skill position players over the offensive line. I think that is really the biggest weakness for the offense - and it's the worst possible weakness, especially as we march towards November and December with games in the NFC East.

But you believe what you like Mr. Barno1, by all means.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

DAN STEINBERG COULDN"T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER!!!!!!!! I wish we had more time and talent b/c I like Zorn, but he has made some pretty bad play calls and clock mgmt calls this year in 5 games. I am afraid this is just getting worse before it gets better.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 11, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

BeanTown,

Where u at?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

2 sacks. Heyer resuscitated Peppers' career for him. He had been getting a lot of abuse from teammates and fans for lackadaisical play.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I recall Zorn saying "2008 was spent training his assistant Coaches"... Therein lied a huge problem.. Zorn surrounded himself with first time assistant NFL coaches.. He had no organization because he was also a first time Head Coach.. Not sure if he did it because he didnt want a possible successor on his staff or just couldnt attract any experienced coaches.. But, nonetheless.. the lack of coaching shows on this team..
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When they were reviewing the play, I was telling the guys on teams that this was the rule, and no one believed me, they were all arguing with me and said it made no sense. But I knew that we were in trouble.

OK, so this is what passing for coaching on special teams? Seems like a telling failure to prepare the players.

Posted by: zornskins2 | October 11, 2009 8:04 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"It's just something that God blessed me with," Carter said. "That's all I can say. It was a blessed performance. It's something that I'll never forget. It's one of those performances that you always dream about."

Wow. Hell of a team player. Just lost to an 0-3 team and you're celebrating your personal stats in the locker room?

Personally, even with this game, I think Carter should be playing behind Orakpo. Orakpo is LOST in coverage. He got beaten for a TD, he committed a penalty -- all because he has no business playing linebacker. But Orakpo has tremendous upside at RDE. Don't give me that "too small to be an every-down end" stuff either.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | October 11, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato has an eye for talent. That's great.

He has no eye for the big picture, what it means to build a football team, with a cohesive system, with players that fit it, with coaches who know what they are doing.

If you think he ran anything in San Francisco, you are delusional. He has an eye for talent, and his abilities end there.

He is a lackey for Snyder. He enables the incongruent peronnsle moves, bad coaching choices, and poor contracts which lead to lack of depth.

Until Snyder hires a real GM, with a long term plan, the ability to hire the right people to execute it, and the patience to see it through, nothing will change. It'll be the same movie over and over again.

We have to get worse before we get better. Once you realize this, you will feel liberated.

Fire Cerrato. Until then, nothing changes.

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 11, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I would have thought by now that we would have some more rumblings on Zorn being Fired tonight.... I really expect that this is the final straw..... up 17-2 late in an NFL game and allow a team 18 unanswered pts is a disgrace!!!!! Time to make sweeping change...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 11, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Heyer plays the same way he did as a rookie who played matador to Patrick Kearney, the Seahawks DT in the 2007 playoff lose. OLAY straight to Collins..Kearney broke a playoffs sack record that day..
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2 sacks. Heyer resuscitated Peppers' career for him. He had been getting a lot of abuse from teammates and fans for lackadaisical play.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 8:08 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

You think we have hit rock bottom?

look at the rest of the schedule!

OUCH! Only see 2 games they might win.
Gonna be a long 5 years ahead of us!


Chiefs
Eagles
Falcons
Broncos
Cowboys
Eagles
Saints
Raiders
Giants
Cowboys
Chargers

Posted by: leevi98 | October 11, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins 2 wins came against currently winless teams.
2 losses came against previously winless teams.
3-9 dating back to last season.
Team is averaging 14.6 points a game this season. Offense is averaging 13.2 points a game

Posted by: hithere1

Those are some scary stats. (In a bad way)
The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that when we play teams like TB, STL, Lions, we stuggle so much yet when those teams play other teams, they get blown out by 30 points. Every week we're seeing the teams we've stuggled with get blown out by other teams. For example, the Vikings killed the Rams and the Eagles blew out the Bucs... it's very depressing.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/let-the-jim-zorn-termination-watch-begin/

Let the Jim Zorn termination watch begin
Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 6:25 PM ET
With the Redskins finally managing to blow a game against a team that previously had lost every game it had played, and with "consultant" Sherm Lewis in place to absorb some of coach Jim Zorn's duties, it's not too early to start wondering when Zorn will be fired.

Early rumblings are that owner Dan Snyder is livid in the wake of Sunday's loss to the Panthers, which hardly qualifies as a surprise.

And firing Zorn won't be a surprise, either. The only question is whether Snyder wants to give Zorn a chance to beat the 0-5 Chiefs next week -- or whether Snyder realizes that firing Zorn might enhance the likelihood of doing so.

Either way, Zorn and I currently have an equal chance of being head coach of the Redskins in 2010. What remains to be seen is whether one of us will have the job next week at this time.

Posted by: leevi98 | October 11, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Snakebit = The Curse of Tom Cruise

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 7:59 PM |

Mebbe it's something worse than snakes that are doing the biting. Mebbe there are vampires lurking in Redskin Park and they have bitten peeps there, sucked their blood and weakened them to the point that they can't function properly. How else to explain how Z frittered away his timeouts in the 2nd half of the game? Samuels getting a stinger? (When you are a quart low your nervous system is debilitated.)

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night

Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 8:12 PM ET
Though it's surely not a precursor to another return to the sidelines in D.C., we're told that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs.

Per a league source, Snyder still consults with Gibbs, who retired for a second time after the 2007 season, about the team. And we've got a feeling that the two men at some point discussed the best way to navigate a disappointing season in D.C.

Some still believe that Snyder also consults with Mike Shanahan; a team source has flatly denied that contention. And as to lingering rumors that Shanahan will be the next coach of the team, Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night In America that Shanahan definitely will not taking a head-coaching job anywhere during the 2009 season, but that Shanahan will jump back into the fray in January.

It makes plenty of sense. Shanahan has less leverage if only one team wants him; he'll have plenty of leverage come January, if multiple teams come calling.

Posted by: TWISI | October 11, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/snyder-had-dinner-with-gibbs-last-night/


Snyder had dinner with Gibbs last night
Posted by Mike Florio on October 11, 2009 8:12 PM ET
Though it's surely not a precursor to another return to the sidelines in D.C., we're told that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had dinner Saturday night with two-time former coach Joe Gibbs.

Per a league source, Snyder still consults with Gibbs, who retired for a second time after the 2007 season, about the team. And we've got a feeling that the two men at some point discussed the best way to navigate a disappointing season in D.C.

Some still believe that Snyder also consults with Mike Shanahan; a team source has flatly denied that contention. And as to lingering rumors that Shanahan will be the next coach of the team, Peter King reported on NBC's Football Night In America that Shanahan definitely will not taking a head-coaching job anywhere during the 2009 season, but that Shanahan will jump back into the fray in January.

It makes plenty of sense. Shanahan has less leverage if only one team wants him; he'll have plenty of leverage come January, if multiple teams come calling.

Posted by: leevi98 | October 11, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Why, in the face of complete lack of receiver production, has Marko Mitchell not stepped on the field? I realize this is only a piece of the problem, but for a team grasping for answers, it makes no sense.

Posted by: bostskin | October 11, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"It's just something that God blessed me with," Carter said.

The idiocy of that statement is galling.

Because God:
1. Give a rats azz about the NFL, the Redskins, and millionaires.
2. Rewards you with personal fortune rather than team success (a win...) Yeah, that would be God's style - self over others.

Get a brain.

Posted by: edvar | October 11, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

jinx buy me a coke

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins are in a tails spin and you blog about Andre Carter? Are you kidding me? Good grief. Cheers.

Posted by: MPNangle | October 11, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Those are some scary stats. (In a bad way)
The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that when we play teams like TB, STL, Lions, we stuggle so much yet when those teams play other teams, they get blown out by 30 points. Every week we're seeing the teams we've stuggled with get blown out by other teams. For example, the Vikings killed the Rams and the Eagles blew out the Bucs... it's very depressing.

Posted by: rachel216

Totally agree, rachel216. It makes our wins look even worse.

I was pretty optimistic about this team before the season started. But the Redskins' performance in their first five games has been shockingly bad, and is all the evidence anyone needs to see that this team is not going anywhere this season. And yeah...blame starts at the top. Unfortunately for the Redskins, the owner does his best to push all that blame downhill as fast as he can.

Offseason Champs in the house!

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Black Bag- An interesting theory, vampires. But, as Chia Pet will tell you, here on RI we prefer robots.

Posted by: bostskin | October 11, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Read Dan Steinbergs report and here is my take:

As Joe Gibbs once said all you have to do is win consistently and everybody has to shut up.

And, of course, if you don't win, then everybody gets to run their mouths. Okay, so now little B-Mitch and seemingly even little Danny Steinberg get to run their mouths.

Gosh, last year when Zorn was 6-2, he was a media darling for his refreshing quirkiness and he was called a good coach and certainly a leader of men.

How quickly it all comes down, and some in the media, like a pack of wild dogs, goes after the seemingly weakest one until they expire. It's all so much fun.

The problem is that the problems with this organization are more than about Jim Zorn. He is just the fall guy and some of you are just falling for it.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sorry guys, but at this point Zorn is not head coach material, just like Casserly wasn't GM material.

But, one thing is for sure, the only thing that qualifies you as an owner is money. In that respect, we got a damn good owner.

Everybody else is expendable.

Get to Firing Danny Boy.

How Do You Like Me Know?

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is down on DHall this week for not making the tackle on Delhomme (rightfully so - I mean, c'mon!). But I actually like him a lot more than I thought I would. He is pretty much delivering what he was brought here to: game-changing INTs. And he has been good in his interviews here too, and not disrupting the locker room like people thought he might (including me).

Not trying to find a silver lining or anything, just thought I would throw that in there. This team is broken in the big picture (especially on offense), but I don't think it's because of the offseason FA acquisitions of AH and DH. Just sayin.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Hindsight is always 20/20 but think how different things would be today if Snyderato had hired Josh McDaniels to be HC instead of Z back in 2008 and then brought Dick Nolan on board at the beginning of 2009, paying off Blache to retire. Of course they may have tried this and gotten turned down by McD. That would be no big surprise.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | October 11, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

CLEGG wrote...
I would have thought by now that we would have some more rumblings on Zorn being Fired tonight.... I really expect that this is the final straw..... up 17-2 late in an NFL game and allow a team 18 unanswered pts is a disgrace!!!!! Time to make sweeping change...

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | October 11, 2009 8:16 PM
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rooney rule may be preventing or delaying this.. (must interview a minority for a HC position, first)
Ummmm if the Skins interview Sherm Lewis for the Head Coaching job, does that satisfy the Rooney Rule?? Vinny could do that on the plane ride home..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The scary part is, I only see us being able to win 2 games the rest of the year.

KC next week, then Oakland Week 14.

4 and 12 better force ownership to make significant changes, because WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS GARBAGE

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | October 11, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

hithere1- Agreed. I think the offseason always makes us go a little crazy. All the things we did in the offseason seemed to only improve our team and I was very optimistic for this year, but you're completely right that after 5 games, we know we are not heading anywhere but a long offseason again. I dreamt all offseason of how good we could be, with Haynesworth and Hall on our already 4th ranked defense, and our new and improved recievers and a second year in the offense, but the truth is, we haven't gotten any better and we might even be worse than last year. Every problem we had last year still persists this year and like everyone else, I fear we may only win about 3 more games this year. Watching us play the Lions, Rams, Bucs, and Panthers, we really don't stand a chance against the Eagles or Giants or anyone else. It's very sad to be a Redskins fan right now. I really hope it'll get better.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Future HOF, BMitch has the right to run his mouth.. If this team had 1/99th his heart and skill, we wouldnt be the laughing stock of the NFL.
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And, of course, if you don't win, then everybody gets to run their mouths. Okay, so now little B-Mitch and seemingly even little Danny Steinberg get to run their mouths.
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Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins are in a tails spin and you blog about Andre Carter? Are you kidding me? Good grief. Cheers.

Posted by: MPNangle

Come on, MPNangle, they're looking for bright spots right now during a very dark time. ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

You may have a point, SkinsneedaGM, but as your post name suggests the problem with this organization is more than just with Jim Zorn.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

here's your bright spot, rachel...
1st pick in the 2010 Draft.

theres a Poll JReid should run, right now.. Who to pick First??
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Come on, MPNangle, they're looking for bright spots right now during a very dark time. ;(

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 8:46 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

cannontl- I love B-Mitch, at least he seems to have more fire than our own players, which is very sad. You just don't like B-Mitch cause he seems to be hating but he loves this team and he's also fed up like us. I love his passion and if all the players had his attitude and fire, we wouldn't be so pathetic, but to me, some guys on this team just don't care enough. I can hear it in their voices after a loss, they just don't seemed that bummed and always focus on the good things that happened. It's very frustrating. Every time JC talks after losses he doesn't sound disappointed but maybe that's just his personality.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 11, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Rachel216, it's depressing to watch.

I say we invent the Reskins 2009 DrinkToForgetAndRegret Drinking Game. Start with bourbon. Take a shot every time Heyer is beat on the outside by a speed rusher. After two series on offense, you'll wake up two days later and ask a friend what happened.

MUCH more fun than actually watching the entire game.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Danny must go!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes we lost.

But other than the sorry offensive line play we all knew about, I think the entire team played well, especially Jason Campbell.

Other than the long pass that he missed to D Thomas, Campbell was 'throwing accurate darts' all day.

Thing is, he didn't have the blocking to do more.

But we all know about that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 11, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

you'll wake up two days later and ask a friend what happened.

MUCH more fun than actually watching the entire game.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:52 PM

But that way you'll miss two days of bintching and moaning which has to be more fun than almost anything.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 11, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

cannon..
GM is an obvious lack at Redskins Park.. But, the most glaring is the fact that since Al Saunders in 2007, the Skins have not had an experienced Offensive Coordinator calling plays. As a former QB Coach, only, Zorn had never called a play, before, in that capacity.. Yet, he continues to be OC even though it obvious he needs help.
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You may have a point, SkinsneedaGM, but as your post name suggests the problem with this organization is more than just with Jim Zorn.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 8:49 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

you'll wake up two days later and ask a friend what happened.

MUCH more fun than actually watching the entire game.

Posted by: hithere1 | October 11, 2009 8:52 PM

But that way you'll miss two days of bintching and moaning which has to be more fun than almost anything.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 11, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The most frustrating thing, to me at least, is that the talent is there for this team to be somewhat successful. That was illustrated last year when they were beating teams on the road like the eagles and cowboys, and beating teams at home like the saints and cardinals.

They're lacking in a few key areas though, most notably offensive line, and that's keeping the whole entire thing from getting going. You saw it plain as day today - the running game went nowhere because the backs had no holes. The passing game did nothing because JC was either running to try and make something positive of the play, getting sacked, or making a rushed throw.

But, I think it goes deeper than just having a bad offensive line. Clearly the coaching is a problem as the team just doesn't quite seem ready to play each week. In some area of the game, in some particular facet of the game, they're not prepared. Whether that's special teams play, running the correct routes, actually blocking somebody, or making a tackle...something is missing each and every week.

I hate to think that they're going to have to start over, again, and we're going to have to sit through four or five more years of mediocrity, again. But, that's pretty much the case I believe, and it makes watching this team not nearly as exciting.

I think what everyone needs to keep in mind when watching this team for the rest of this season is that they aren't a good team. They aren't going to make the playoffs. You can't expect them to play well and then get upset when they don't play well. All we can really do at this point is expect a lackluster effort and performance, and be happy when they manage to pull off a win.

I'm watching this team more as I watch a TV show now, and less like this is a team that is going places. Sad and unfortunate, for sure, but its the reality.

Posted by: -swb | October 11, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

Professional franchises are owned by the folks with bigtime expendable money. The Prefessinal franchises that win are owned by owners that have the sense to put successful folks in the right places.

I got no problem with Danny as the owner of the Redskins, but I do have a big problem with his hires.

And I have a problem with Danny not standing up and taking responsibility for the plight of the Team.

But, for sure, Danny is the Owner and only he can get it right, and he is not going anywhere.

Vinny is not the GM that we need and Zorn has proven thus far that he does not have a clue how to put an offense together.

Danny might have to show some tough love and fire the both of them and more importantly than anything else, Danny has to stand up and take responsibility for this Team which he is not doing.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Where's Barno with his idiotic optimism of going 10-6 this yr? I'd like to see him put a positive spin on this one.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 11, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

rachel216, your point is well taken about B-Mitch having passion and no doubt his desire for the Redskins to be successful.

I just think some in the media seem to be having too much fun at Jim Zorn's expense after he was such a media darling the beginning of last year. And the owner is just leaving him hang out to dry after he selected him and set things up so it was hard to be successful.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Phuk Danny!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

After the game today, my wife said my son and I are stupid for being Redskins fans.

Sad to say, I couldn't even utter a response.

Posted by: 72Redskins

With all due respect, maybe you should point out to her that that's not much of a lesson to be teaching her son?

Posted by: fan-o-matic | October 11, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Professional franchises are owned by the folks with bigtime expendable money. The Prefessinal franchises that win are owned by owners that have the sense to put successful folks in the right places.

I got no problem with Danny as the owner of the Redskins, but I do have a big problem with his hires.

And I have a problem with Danny not standing up and taking responsibility for the plight of the Team.

But, for sure, Danny is the Owner and only he can get it right, and he is not going anywhere.

Vinny is not the GM that we need and Zorn has proven thus far that he does not have a clue how to put an offense together.

Danny might have to show some tough love and fire the both of them and more importantly than anything else, Danny has to stand up and take responsibility for this Team which he is not doing.

LarryInClintonMD.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 8:59 PM

I can agree with most of what you say above, Lary, but I don't respect Danny much as an owner. I think it will be a long time before he will see that most of the problems in his organization start with him (as some have already mentioned) and the choices he makes and the way he does things.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I might vomit if I hear about how much Snyder 'wants to win'. Any time someone defends him (which is becoming more and more rarely) that's the best thing they can come up with.

"If you just knew how much he wants to win.." blah blah blah. He obviously doesn't want to win enough to change what he's doing.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 11, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

He must think God blesses him as well if he takes a big dump in the morning.

Posted by: bendan2000 | October 11, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

There are 3 teams in the NFL with meddling owners, Cowgirls, Raiders and us. When is the last time any of them won anything? Danny sux!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Hall's 'tackle' of Delhomme at the end was painful to watch, but had he prevented the 1st down, we're assuming the offense could have actually moved down the field to score (with no timeouts) - something was a struggle all game and so far this season. Our defense has played reasonably well in all 5 games - certainly well enough to keep us in the games. The offense is anemic and rarely scores when given the chance. That comes down to play-calling, personnel, and confidence.

Posted by: grahamj | October 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Haven't read the posts, but this article is a joke, right? Andre Carter has been a do-nothing since he came here compared to expectations. Nothing more than an average end. Fact that he's so pleased with himself in a loss to the winless panthers is pretty funny!

Posted by: OldManGibbs | October 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

Zorn is too stubborn to get the benefit of the doubt. The reason why JC called the last time out is because Zorn does not allow flexibility in the playcalling for the QB to audible right off the bat, if he feels the play called is not going to work.

Also, when JC sees that the origical call is covered and he starts to scramble, I have seen too many times that none of his receivers breaks there routes for the open field.

JC is not looking for them to do that and the receivers are not looking to break there routes once the play is broken down.

I think that comes from rigid and inflexible coaching and it makes JC look really bad as a QB because he is not making plays when the original call breaks down.

That is coaching and nothing else.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"If you just knew how much he wants to win.." blah blah blah. He obviously doesn't want to win enough to change what he's doing.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 11, 2009 9:13 PM |

Oh he wants to win, that's the problem. He feels he has to have his sticky little fingers all in it. Danny blows donkeys!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Poor Zorn must be thinking he could be in Seattle, as QB coach, making the same 500k salary he is now.
His reputation is now linked to inheriting a 2007 playoff team led by Collins and disintegrating quickly into a no-talent team assembled by Vinny in the last 2 Drafts.
Suxs to be the Cook and take the blame but not allowed to buy the groceries.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

where are all the Campbell apologists now!?? SHOW YOURSELVES!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Carter is a chump that has never lived up to his potential and is trying to suck up some lime light after sacking a QB twice on a winless team!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

BARNO you cant be a real skins fan it must be an act and Im not buying it anymore

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Carter is a chump that has never lived up to his potential and is trying to suck up some lime light after sacking a QB twice on a winless team!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:22 PM |

There not a winless team...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

*they're*


...and Danny is a tool...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

scampbell your right not anymore!~

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

The track record has been quite long for Mr. Snyder, so I can truly respect what you are saying. But, I, at this point cannot give up on Synder, for as bad as he as been in leading this Franchise to a Superbowl Champion, he is still a highly successful man.

Successful folks are successful because they learn from there mistakes/failures.

Maybe he just needs to get Vinny out of his hear.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey jreid take a few notes from some of your fellow bloggers from b-more..


http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2009/10/5_things_we_learned_from_ravensbengals_game.html

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 11, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jumbo5383 | October 11, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

scampbell your right not anymore!~

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:25 PM |

Oh how I which it wasn't so.

Danny licks nutz.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

all analysts have said JC is too slow in his Read and Release.. He could be great in a drop back Offense.. But, in a West Coast Offense, he like a tractor pull at a quarter mile drag race... Thats why the WRs dont come back or try to get open.. They know they have 2 seconds and the play is over.. JC never gets to the second Read or progression. And thats why the Carolina DE tipped that critical 4th down pass.. JC looked / telegraphed the pass right from the snap..


Last check down broken play completion by a Skins QB... Todd Collins in the 2nd preseason game, when M. Kelly came back for a 13 yard gain completion which was Todd's 3rd read.

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JC is not looking for them to do that and the receivers are not looking to break there routes once the play is broken down.

I think that comes from rigid and inflexible coaching and it makes JC look really bad as a QB because he is not making plays when the original call breaks down.

That is coaching and nothing else.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 9:15 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Listening to Zorns post game presser HE IS delusional we just got beat by a winless TEAM!!! I dont care if it is Cerrato/Snyders fault The bottom line is ZORN is calling the plays on Sunday HE HAS TO GO!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't spell tonight, I give up...


...just like Danny should cuz he's a giant d0uche.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I think if you are going to hire someone with no OC or HC experience you ought to give him time to grow in the job. If not, then why hire him.

For any offensive coach, you also provide a good offensive line with some depth, that is just GM 101. Success for any team begins with the offensive and defensive lines, but the Skins have not quite grasped that yet.

Chris Cooley did not even catch a pass today because he had to help with the blocking when Samuels went down. If you had Cooley on offense today like we are used, the Redskins very well may have won.

Also, a west coast offense is supposed to have a big wide receiver to help make it really go (per the article in the Post today). So far we can't really get Thomas and Kelly really jump started. They have still caught less passes combined than Art Monk caught in his rookie year.

If we have the offensive line and the proper receivers we should have, and we are still not successful with Zorn then I would say okay maybe we should look elsewhere for a coach.

Otherwise, I think we are putting too much blame on the HC and not enough on the rest of the organization.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

You all have my condolences.

Signed,

Posted by: RedDMV | October 11, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please explain why Rhinehart did not play today? Making one mistake in your first freaking game is not worthy of a damn benching in favor of BMW. Especially when running to your side nets you 5X the success of running the other way. (I think it was like 4X the average yards/run than running left). BMW would have probably been better in Samuel's spot than Batiste or whatever the heck his name is.

When I saw the 'Skins were up 17-12 I knew they would do something fluky and absolutely positively stupid to lose. And of course, I was right.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 11, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Cannon here is the deal ANY coach at any level knows that you game plan to your strengths!! the Panthers were giving up 180 yards per game on the ground before todays game... If you are a COACH you see what you have to work with and game plan for that and dont give me some cop out about how the west coast offense needs a big wideout cuz thats just not true!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

The track record has been quite long for Mr. Snyder, so I can truly respect what you are saying. But, I, at this point cannot give up on Synder, for as bad as he as been in leading this Franchise to a Superbowl Champion, he is still a highly successful man.

Successful folks are successful because they learn from there mistakes/failures.

Maybe he just needs to get Vinny out of his hear.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 9:28 PM

I wish I could believe that, Larry, but as far as football goes, he seems to keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

Since he probably will not sell the team anytime soon, all we have to hope for is that a light will eventually come on.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, settle down everyone.

Is this season really a surprise to anyone? The team is playing exactly how they were expected. How you can ignore the o-line while spending $ga-billions on an already very strong defense is beyond me.

Snyder means well, he really does. He has spent a butt load of money to put what on paper looked like a competitive team. He has made mistakes, but jeez...there are a lot of worse owners in the NFL than Snyder.

Cerrato, useless. Should have been fired for good back when Marty was our coach.

Zorn, what a publicity stunt. Nice guy, medium attitude, given a chance to become the next Joe Gibbs. None of us thought he would be a good coach, some of us were glad it was Zorn and not some old re-tread coach.....Zorn had no experience even as a coordinator.

Nothing will change until we get a decent GM...nothing. Nothing.

Posted by: isnadd | October 11, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Looks like my Svengali act gets a real boost when Zorn is fired in the middle of the season ... and not just the middle but the early part? I could see this coming a mile way ... I am surprised that few others did?

Posted by: periculum | October 11, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Successful folks are successful because they learn from there mistakes/failures.

Maybe he just needs to get Vinny out of his hear.

Time for another learning exercise. Compare how Snyder got where he is to Ted Lerner? Knowing in advance that Ted Lerner built everything from scratch ... he did not get any 'special loans' ever from the folks that our hero Snidely did.

Lerner is a successful man. Snyder is a good schmoozer ... who seems to have anger management issues.

Posted by: periculum | October 11, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

FIRE ZORN GET IT OVER WITH AND LETS BE DONE WITH CAMPBELL WHILE WE ARE AT IT CUZ HE IS DONE HERE!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

benchcampbell, Our QB was not on the field when the punt return team and the defense let the Panthers beat us. When he WAS on the field he was throwing very accurate passes, even bombs. Thomas has to make that catch. Unsophisticated fans kneejerk reaction is to always blame the quarterback. You're showing your ignorance of the game.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Cannon here is the deal ANY coach at any level knows that you game plan to your strengths!! the Panthers were giving up 180 yards per game on the ground before todays game... If you are a COACH you see what you have to work with and game plan for that and dont give me some cop out about how the west coast offense needs a big wideout cuz thats just not true!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:48 PM

The way I hear it the problems with the offensive line were also playing havoc with the running game as well.

As far as the big wideout goes, the article in the WaPost this morning seemed to suggest that a big wide receiver can help make the West Coast go. At least that's what I read in the papers.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Damn....how good is Peyton Manning. You see that last TD pass?

Posted by: leevi98 | October 11, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

VegasJim you are showing your ignorance in thinking Campbell or Zorn is the answer...

Lets take a look Denver undefeated with Kyle Orton yes Kyle Orton.... thing is they have a guy that played offensive coordinator for an historic Patriots team a year ago...

Is Orton better than Campbell probably not but McDaniel is calling the game suited for HIS players. THEY just beat the PATRIOTS! We lost to a winless team AGAIN!Look ownership tried to ditch Campbell during the offseason THEY dont want him its obvious and what is also painfully obvious is that Jim Zorn is not a HEAD COACH

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I didn't saw that either was the answer
. They just weren't the reason why we lost today. I was smart enough to take the Skins plus 3.5. I'm counting my money while your bellyaching.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley, you are right Cannontl, should have been in the offensive receiving gameplan today. Chris Cooleys asset is pass catching and he sucks at blocking... is a fact.
So why does Zorn have him trying to fill the void for Samuels? Emblematic once again Zorn's decision making.

Cooley's pass catching was more needed today than him trying to block. JC is not a lead foot QB like Rypien was and for Zorn not to take advantage of JC's abilities to the fullest is telling on Zorn's coaching IQ.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry... no more comments from me... following someones advice from last week concerning the golden rule. (it's easier to throw grenades than compliments. Some of us take a longer time to learn that) Sorry to all.

Posted by: 1of9000 | October 11, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

It's not like Zorn was given much to work with on the starting offensive line, let alone any sort of depth.

Posted by: The_Spear | October 11, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

So what. It's the first time the guy has done jack since he got here. We can't win with a moron owner,head coach and QB. They all have GOT to go.

Posted by: jcl246 | October 11, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Prediction:

Zorn will be fired after the Philly game in 2 weeks. Right before the bye week.

Mark it down.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | October 11, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider has become a mirror image of the failure of a franchise that is the Redskins.

Too many cooks in the kitchen.

Too many mistakes. (Brian Westbrook? Really? Grammatical errors? Really?)

Failure to see the big picture. (No one give's a baker's fart about Carter's great statistical day.)

Misguided focus. (If there is another Zorn poll before a Cerrato one, I will have an anneurism.)

Unsatisfying results after the king left. (La Canfora, who actually had the balls to call people out.)

Bland playcalling. ("Here's what happened. Here's what I think" = lamest feature ever.)

General crappiness.

Fire Cerrato. Fire Cindy Boren.

Posted by: ThisGuy | October 11, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is a good coach but i dont think he was the right coach for the talent this team had. This was a playoff team when he was hired, so a coach that had experience in an offensive system that better fit the talent we had would have been a better hire at the time. Joe Gibbs laid the groundwork for a decent team but all of that was wiped clean with the hiring of a WCO coach. We are back to the days of no plan and a front office that flounders around trying the next big thing rather than building a team and sticking with the plan that was in place. If their was no way the front office could have gotten along with Greg Williams then as much as I hate to admit it Jim Fassle would have been a much better fit as coach. I will be the first to admit that I am one of those fans who hated the idea of Fassle as coach but looking back I was wrong.

Posted by: hudginsc | October 11, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley, you are right Cannontl, should have been in the offensive receiving gameplan today. Chris Cooleys asset is pass catching and he sucks at blocking... is a fact.
So why does Zorn have him trying to fill the void for Samuels? Emblematic once again Zorn's decision making.

Cooley's pass catching was more needed today than him trying to block. JC is not a lead foot QB like Rypien was and for Zorn not to take advantage of JC's abilities to the fullest is telling on Zorn's coaching IQ.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 10:12 PM

Cooley, no doubt was in the offensive game plan today until Samuels went down and then he had to help out blocking to help give Campbell some time to throw. That is why Zorn went to three step drops and short throws.

My point about Cooley, though, (I did not say it clearly above) was that lack of depth on the O-line caused that to happen to begin with. Is Zorn to blame for lack of depth on the offensive line?

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

GET out of here are you kidding me the Panthers were giving up on average 180 yards on the ground!!!! you should have been able to put a high school team out there and rush for 80! Give me a break people Zorn sucks lets face it and move on! Campbell is average but we will be picking a QB with the first overall pick so again MOVE on! ZORN IS NOT A HEAD COACH! I am not even sure what offense he is running but it is not any west coast I have ever seen...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

My view on the coaching situation - good coaches have two qualities/skills: the ability to develop schemes/gameplans and implement them, changing them to the team's needs, and, the other main one, leadership. Since Gibbs left the first time we have not had a coach with both. Zorn has neither. Gibbs II had the latter, but the game had passed him bye just enough for him to be overwhelmed and want to leave, Spurrier was a joke, Norv has no leadership ability, and Zorn is a joke gone extremely bad. Whoever we get for a HC, he better have these two qualities. He also needs a competent GM to scout and acquire good players for a cheap price. Another piece of the puzzle that we are lacking.

Either way, I know one thing, I will only expect the team to play piss poor until Zorn and Vinny are gone.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 11, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there is any debating going on. This team sux, it's Danny "The Sh!tbag" Snyder's fault and he needs to shoot himself in the face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Damn....how good is Peyton Manning. You see that last TD pass?

Posted by: leevi98 | October 11, 2009

Same system and offense since he started in the league. He along with Tom Brady are the only 2 franchise QB's in the NFL at this time. So, I guess having the above helps ... instead of a schizophrenic and frenetic approach: the HC and OC of the month club.

Posted by: periculum | October 11, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

there are a lot of worse owners in the NFL than Snyder.

Posted by: isnadd | October 11, 2009 9:49 PM

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Dan Snyder is in a statistical dead heat with Al Davis for the coveted "Worst Owner in the NFL" crown.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

SC - you're going a bit far there. I still say the temporary retardation is better. Any time Danny attempts to think about the 'Skins he starts making goo goo ga ga noises while drooling. That way he can be his normal sickening self in his other business ventures.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 11, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

yeah? well fire Obama. The Skins go to superbowls when republicans are in office. Fire Obama before it is too late.

Posted by: periculum | October 11, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

From Boswell..."Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower."

Campbell is out of that tie.. He now leads all active QBs.. He's at the bottom, alone....

All analysts have said JC is too slow in his Read and Release.. He could be effective in a drop back Offense.. But, in a West Coast Offense, he's a tractor pull at a quarter mile drag race... Thats why the WRs dont come back or try to get open.. They know they have 2 seconds and the play is over.. JC never gets to the second Read or progression. And thats why the Carolina DE tipped that critical 4th down pass.. JC looked / telegraphed the pass right from the snap..


Last check down broken play completion by a Skins QB, was Todd Collins in the 2nd preseason game, when M. Kelly came back for a 13 yard gain completion which was Todd's 3rd read. Just like 2007 when he stepped in and went 4-0 with the SAME PERSONNEL, SAME OLINE.

We'll never see that this season.. JC will not be benched, unfortunately.
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LarryinClinton wrote:
JC is not looking for them to do that and the receivers are not looking to break there routes once the play is broken down.

I think that comes from rigid and inflexible coaching and it makes JC look really bad as a QB because he is not making plays when the original call breaks down.

That is coaching and nothing else.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 9:15 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

SC - you're going a bit far there. I still say the temporary retardation is better. Any time Danny attempts to think about the 'Skins he starts making goo goo ga ga noises while drooling. That way he can be his normal sickening self in his other business ventures.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 11, 2009 10:31 PM |

Until this a*hole realizes that he doesn't know dik about football and keeps his filthy hands out of the football related decisions we will never win on any consistent basis. Danny should hang himself with one of his $150 alligator skin belts. Put us all out of our misery.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 11, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Cannon here is the deal ANY coach at any level knows that you game plan to your strengths!! the Panthers were giving up 180 yards per game on the ground before todays game... If you are a COACH you see what you have to work with and game plan for that and dont give me some cop out about how the west coast offense needs a big wideout cuz thats just not true!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 11, 2009 9:48 PM

I should also say a lot of times other teams are able to take Moss out of the game because there is no other receiver to help stretch the field. That is what Thomas and Kelly are here for, but so far they are slow to develop.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell gave a nice, contrite performance at the post game podium.

As did Jim Zen.

"Responsibility is a Team Sport:" The east coast equivalent of "Committed to Excellence."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

here's your bright spot, rachel...
1st pick in the 2010 Draft.

theres a Poll JReid should run, right now.. Who to pick First??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM
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That's easy... pick the highest rated (as rated by other NFL experts, not Vinny) QB, probably Bradford or McCoy, then pick an OT with our # 2, which will be practially a first round pick.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 11, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Hear that LA wants an NFL team bad. Might be a good fit for Snyder, he could be near his Hollywood friends. If Fans start boycotting games that will probably happen.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is obviously not a head coach caliber coach. Synder/Cerrato missed again.

But at this point, what head coach caliber guy is going to work for Synder/Cerrato. I mean, I am sure they can get another head coach, but if the candidate is worthy or wanted anywhere else, they will not go to Washington. It is the same reason the best head coach the Raiders can find was Tom Gable - who assulted his own assistant coach!

No one good will come here. We will get another Zorn, who was clearly someone they were just hoping would be good.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | October 11, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

4-12, the man with the prophetic handle...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

OK, Cannontl, Yes there needed to be an adjustment for Samuels going down, but I don't think that one of our few best offensive weapons should have been the answer.

I got railed by BeanTownGreg1 some time back about the O-line. I was glad that Rhinehart was being put in because our Vet who always stays hurt was out again. Greg1 threw me under the bus for questioning Buges decision making.

I feel that the O-Line is in its current predicament, because we don't train them properly.

Now, I am sure of it when you have to use one of the best receivers in the League to block when he sucks at blocking and we need desperately anybody to catch a pass.

Can you feel me now Cannontl.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, since I can't fix the Redskins, I suppose I should continue to get my own house in order.

I too have many problems to solve and too few resources to do it.

But, I'm a gonna try anyway.

HTTR and HTTB

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 11, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade the First pick to the Jags for their complete OLine.

And with what you would have to pay a 1st pick QB, you could cover the whole OLine's salaries.
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That's easy... pick the highest rated (as rated by other NFL experts, not Vinny) QB, probably Bradford or McCoy, then pick an OT with our # 2, which will be practially a first round pick.

Posted by: chasgiffen | October 11, 2009 10:35 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | October 11, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

OK, Cannontl, Yes there needed to be an adjustment for Samuels going down, but I don't think that one of our few best offensive weapons should have been the answer.

I got railed by BeanTownGreg1 some time back about the O-line. I was glad that Rhinehart was being put in because our Vet who always stays hurt was out again. Greg1 threw me under the bus for questioning Buges decision making.

I feel that the O-Line is in its current predicament, because we don't train them properly.

Now, I am sure of it when you have to use one of the best receivers in the League to block when he sucks at blocking and we need desperately anybody to catch a pass.

Can you feel me now Cannontl.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 10:40 PM |

No, I can't quite feel you now, Larry. I think Joe Bugel is one of the better O-line coaches in the league or that is what I have been led to believe.

I think the problem with the O-line is not acquiring the proper personnel through the draft and/or free agency, and allowing it to get old and more injury prone. This is one the reasons Campbell looks bad, Portis looks bad and Jim Zorn looks bad.

I am not the only one saying this. Many of the columnists and beat writers for the WaPost are saying the same thing, not just about the O-line, but the young receivers who have yet to develop and just the way the team is put together.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

benchcampbell, Our QB was not on the field when the punt return team and the defense let the Panthers beat us. When he WAS on the field he was throwing very accurate passes, even bombs. Thomas has to make that catch. Unsophisticated fans kneejerk reaction is to always blame the quarterback. You're showing your ignorance of the game.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse


I could not have said it better myself VagasJim, I used to think we had knowledgeable fans in D.C. boy was I wrong. Some Redskins fans are as embarrassing as our teams shortcomings.

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 11, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I have to go for the evening, but maybe when I wake up in the morning, Zorn will be fired and we can move on to the slow dismembering of the next coach, whoever that may be.

Posted by: cannontl | October 11, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Cannontl,

I can agree with that. What you just said also takes into account the proper approach and training of the O-line.

Your points are alright with me. They are logical and make good sense.

It is good to see the value in a differing opinions, for most times well thought out opinions even though seeming to be different may also be just as valid.

LarryInClintonMD.


Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 11, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

dang, the f*n ben-gals are better then the redskins

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 11, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks gcoles32, Football is a team game, a great QB makes everyone better, but to blame Campbell for this loss is just plain stupid.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Ravens are just not that good.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Night all, off to play some craps.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 11, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

of course campbell didn't lose all by himself, but the balls in his hands every play--nice guy, poor qb. you play to score touchdowns and win the game and he doesn't provide nearly enough of those things.

Posted by: mohawk44 | October 11, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we trade 3 slightly used receivers for one decent offensive lineman? We will even throw in a running back or two.

Posted by: driley | October 11, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

'!!' Carter. I had a better game. Sacked a 12 pack by halftime...

Danny must have some mental health issues, no? He can't be as stupid as his football decisions indicate, so it's got to be some deep seated subconscious desire to fail.

I blame Jack Kent Cook. Why didn't he just pass the damn team to his son!!!! then again, 10 years of Norval might have been just as painful.

Posted by: theFlatman | October 11, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

The overwhelming issue is the mgmt of the team. It was mgmt who hired Zorn. It was an interesting choice at the time, because Zorn was/is a unique personality and a different sort of thinker. If it worked, it would have been inspired.

But Zorn wasn't qualified to be a HC and should never have been hired. That is on mgmt.

Also on mgmt is the failure to address the OL. This failure has been irrational. After all, it has been apparent for some time that the OL is an issue. Last year, it was beyond clear. But it feels like mgmt has gone out of its way NOT to address the OL.

Well, where are we we are. And the sad part of it is this. Though the disaster taking shape in 2009 was not expected, its also not surprising.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Our last 4 opponents have a 2009 won/loss record of 2-17.

Against the Skins, they are 2-2. Versus the rest of the NFL, they are 0-15.

Is there any other stat that tells the story more clearly?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hits keep comng. Whood a think-it our older lineman getting banged up:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/philip-daniels-believes-he-has-torn-biceps/

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Hits keep comng. Whood a think-it our older lineman getting banged up:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/11/philip-daniels-believes-he-has-torn-biceps/

Posted by: chrislarry | October 11, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse


Whateves. Just play Lorenzo and Jarmon on the left side.

And BTW, chrislarry, BMitch is one of my all-time fave Skins players. But as a sports-talk pundit he is a total no talent; a top of the class grad from the Stephen A. Smith School of Blowhard Broadcasting; specializes in dropping hate and screaming down anyone who disagrees then patting himself on the back about how he "wears his heart on his sleeve"; I almost stopped listening to John Thompson b/c he was unbearable - luckily someone at Red Zebra had the clarity of mind to show him the door.

Posted by: p1funk | October 12, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The overwhelming issue is the mgmt of the team. It was mgmt who hired Zorn. It was an interesting choice at the time, because Zorn was/is a unique personality and a different sort of thinker. If it worked, it would have been inspired.

But Zorn wasn't qualified to be a HC and should never have been hired. That is on mgmt.

Also on mgmt is the failure to address the OL. This failure has been irrational. After all, it has been apparent for some time that the OL is an issue. Last year, it was beyond clear. But it feels like mgmt has gone out of its way NOT to address the OL.

Well, where are we we are. And the sad part of it is this. Though the disaster taking shape in 2009 was not expected, its also not surprising.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 11, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

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I couldn't agree more. I feel like all we have been hearing for at least the last 10 years is that we should be better than how we are playing. This team hasn't had an identity since Gibbs 1.0 and that was a LONG time ago.

Zorn is probably over his head, but he wasn't exactly set up for success - given his job because no one else wanted it, when he had only been a QB coach with all his coordinators picked for him.

My only hope is that Snyder and Gibbs had a long heart to heart about what needs to be done with this team last night. Snyder is not going anywhere, so all we can do is hope he doesn't turn anymore into Al Davis, but somehow sees the light and becomes Art Rooney.

Think I am just at the "acceptance" stage of grief....

Posted by: suzannepdc | October 12, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I'd trade the First pick to the Jags for their complete OLine.

And with what you would have to pay a 1st pick QB, you could cover the whole OLine's salaries.
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You mean the oline of the team that scored 0 points, had 5 sacks and averaged 2.5 yds per rush? I think we already have that.

Posted by: lifelongfan | October 12, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

We all can blame Zorn all we want, but the REAL problem, is that this is the worst collection of offensive talent in the NFL. It's offensive alright!! Maybe they can't "execute" because they don't have the talent to do so, or the brains, or they don't care! The O line is horrible! We'll never really know if JC is any good. Get ready for a massive rebuild. Only problem is, we give away our draft picks, select duds when we have them, or we overpay free agents and once they "get paid", they go on cruise control. This team is SO broken. A new coach won't block any better, won't run faster. They keep talking about correcting things. They can't!! They just don't have the talent!! Fire Zorn and we'll all feel good, but this will still be a terrible team. Perhaps the defense might win a couple games this year. They basically handed the offense 14 points today and that wasn't good enough. Thank goodness we have the Caps! Rock the red!

Posted by: fansince1980 | October 12, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse


You local Washingtonians who don't have season tickets are the lucky ones, unlike us out of towner fans.

First of all, you get to feel superior to fans wasting their money on tickets, parking and $8.00 beer. Second, we have to pay Direct TV hundreds of dollars to bring us our weekly misery.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

"Philip Daniels fears he has torn biceps"


The redskins were 2-3 against winless opponents and with a team without many injuries.

Imagine how bad they'll be with a tough schedule coming up and injuries piling up.

Oh second thought, don't.

Posted by: TheCork | October 12, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Cork, a couple more games like today and DirecTV will blackout skins games out of pity.

Posted by: unfrozencavemanblogger1 | October 12, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I think the worst part of this is that there are so many winless teams we might not even get a premiere draft pick.

Posted by: Keiser | October 12, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Almost 2am EST and Zorn is still the coach, JC is still the starting QB, Blanche is still the Dcoordinator and Vinny is still leading the charge. Don't worry about expectations for next week.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 12, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Zorn won't be fired until at least the bye week. Some interim coach after that. That's when team will just flat quit. Let Zorn finish out the season, & bolster Oline through draft. This team took the number 4 defense of last year and tried to make it better through free agency. The offense wasn't expected to score a lot, we were going to win just on defense. Not working according to plan, but if Snyder implodes team, it will be a long long time to get back to where we are now.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 12, 2009 2:02 AM | Report abuse

We don't care at all about your stats, Carter. You and the rest of the team are losers.

FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!
FIRE VINNY!

Posted by: drischord | October 12, 2009 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Some have said Zorn still has the locker room. I don't know if he does, but I have my doubts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 12, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

It's 5 AM and all is well... for JLa!

Posted by: eghblaw | October 12, 2009 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Hire Jimmy Johnson as GM, Jon Gruden as HC
Jimmy is one of the best talent evailuators and is/was pretty smart when it came to the Draft. And Jon will "kick the tires and light the fires"

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 12, 2009 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Hire Jimmy Johnson as GM, Jon Gruden as HC
Jimmy is one of the best talent evailuators and is/was pretty smart when it came to the Draft. And Jon will "kick the tires and light the fires"

Posted by: boysheadcoach | October 12, 2009 5:54 AM

Play the next 11 games. Then see who's on the market. Most of the people you would want for GM or Head Coach have other jobs right now. All that are on the market now, including players, are the leftovers, rejects, and also-rans.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 12, 2009 6:19 AM | Report abuse

This just in, in the highly scientific but much unproven poll Vinny cerrato has 2.8% support. Which can mean only 1 thing. That Vinny Cerrato is on Facebook.

http://apps.facebook.com/yoursay/result.php?pid=13828

Posted by: alex35332 | October 12, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse


Who would/could come here to win with the misfits that are currently on the roster? Seriously, they have assembled the cast of characters that seem to be concerned more about personal stats than team goals. A coach coming here has to know that he will be hamstrung by this and he'll be on a short leash regardless of the fact he has little talent to work with. Zorn isn't the one missing the tackles, catches, or not hitting the holes. I doubt he called a stretch run in their endzone, but CP probably took it that way instead of running north south. He was hired to be a coordinator first, then at the last minute, he's the HC. JC has had 5 years, why not give Zorn more time?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 12, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Instead fo replacing Chad, Zorn should have replaced Heyer. He is just awful.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Where is Carter when going against some of the best Tackles in the game? Non-exists! Carter is average at best, stop fooling yorselves!

Posted by: rlomax67 | October 12, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Portis Papers are straight!

Posted by: rlomax67 | October 12, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

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