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Carter takes his Pro Bowl omission in stride

Much has been made of London Fletcher's Pro Bowl snub. But Redskins defensive end Andre Carter had a decent chance at making the squad anyway. Like rookie Brian Orakpo - the Redskins' lone representative to the NFL's all-star game - Carter has 11 sacks, tied for seventh in the league. Like Fletcher, he took the news of his omission in stride; he'll be a second alternate.

"You're on your toes just kind of wondering what happens," Carter said of his Tuesdsay. "But at the end of the day, the results came out. All you can really do is hold your head up high and just know that it was a great year, not necessarily for stat-wise, but just for being a playmaker. In our defensive team meeting room, we have this kind of production chart. I was just amazed how [many] big plays I made this year. It was just phenomenal. I'm very thankful to God and my teammates and the organization."

Carter said that the entire defensive-line rotation - including tackles Albert Haynesworth, Cornelius Griffin, Lorenzo Alexander and Kedric Golston, along with veteran end Philip Daniels - shared in Orakpo's honor because the group put significantly more pressure on opposing quarterbacks than last year's crew. The Redskins have 39 sacks through 15 games this season; they had 24 all of last year.

"The matchups were great week-in, week-out throughout this season," Carter said. "For us to have the success we did when it came to sacks was tremendous."

By Barry Svrluga  |  December 30, 2009; 4:08 PM ET
 
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Posted by: Skins2 | December 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

89th

BooYahhhh!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The final ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES of this decade, brought to you by my sponsor of the decade, the fine people at Yahoo!

Are the Skins unwatchable? Pretty much.

The issue for Dan Snyder isn’t Bruce Allen or the next coach. It is how to get season ticket holders to renew.

The product has been bad, and I have no doubt that it gets harder each year to convince people that the investment is worthwhile, both emotional and financial. Costas remarked how much more common it was to see Ovechkin jerseys instead of Redskin jerseys on Sunday night’s game.

All in all, the meltdown that is DEBACLE ’09 ® may have repercussions that go far beyond the confines of this season. Dan Snyder can not take a chance on a bright young coaching prospect. He needs a guy with a pedigree, who can turn a flawed team around on a dime. Fortunately, these guys are out there, and Mike Shanahan would fit that bill. Snyder has very little time to make this team worth watching again.

A decade of mostly dashed hopes and diminishing fan experience is a bad combination. It is critical to the future of the Redskins that 2009 represent the bottom, and that this team rebound from this bottom in the near future. 2010 will have modest expectations, but the goodwill of the fan base has already been stretched far. I think Snyder has one more year as a grace period, with Cerrato and Zorn both gone.

But I sense this next change is the last one before the vaunted season ticket waiting list goes to zero. It would be hard to overestimate the impact should the Skins go past this tipping point point. The wait list is the key asset that underwrites the operation. If it disappears, everything changes. And not for the better.

Separately, in the ZEKE = Carnac department, it was funny to hear Collingsworth describe the Skins OL as the engine for the team. Exactly the analogy I used in the preseason edition of ZEKE UNIQUE.

And that is a wrap on 2009’s ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This is a bunch of nonsense Andre Carter should have went to the Pro-Bowl London Fletcher also they were the only consistent players on a top three defense I understand Peppers and Allen but Trent Cole i mean come on. And what is up with this miles austin cat is he better than Roddy White or Steve Smith the one from the panthers or the giants the Pro-Bowl is a bunch of B.S just like the all star game in the NBA the deserving players get snubbed for a player with more screen shots than actual stats that count. Carter and Fletcher will always be Pro-bowl players to me.

HTTR!!! RIP#21 4ever

Posted by: cpt55back | December 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I guess Miles Austin replaced Jessica Simpson

Posted by: cpt55back | December 30, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Through 15 games....

Austin - 1230 11 TD
Roddy - 1087 10 TD
Smith NYG - 1163 7TD
Smith CAR - 982 7TD

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So zeke, what would you say the chances are that the Redskins could have a not-sold-out regular season game (to wit, a game blacked out for viewing in the Redskins' home market) in the next, say, five seasons? Would you say there's a 1% chance? A 5% chance?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 30, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Have they announced the Pro Bowl alternates or is this just coming from players? One of the NFC Pro Bowl QBs will probably be in the Super Bowl, so is an NFC East QB next on the list? How far down is our own home-town fave, JC?

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44:

In related news, Dan Snyder doesn't anticipate naming a new head coach until 30 seconds or so after the final gun in San Diego.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It this you ole' buddy?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 3:47 PM

There is a couple 44's on here....BigE, Closer, & Diesel...All standup posters (going Moe w/ the 3rd person).

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

There is a couple 44's on here....BigE, Closer, & Diesel...All standup posters (going Moe w/ the 3rd person).

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse
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I concur, I'm not you. I've had the handle closer44 for years on other sites. Here, I read more than post. Usually only post when things get really slow @ work.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Think Joe Theismann will give Jimmy Clausen the nod to wear #7?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I just read on PFT.com that we were looking at drafting Bradford with the first pick we have...if this is true than the hiring of Bruce Allen is not a sign of change in the least bit...i just wanna know how they (snyder and cerrato jr)can't see the revolving doors of an offensive line we have...we have a need for OL FIRST!!! All teams build from the inside out...we are gonna suck FOREVER!!

PS - We should draft OL in rounds 1 and 2, sign campbell for one year to see how he does behind at least a semi-decent OL...then try to get a qb the next yr (if there is no lockout)

Posted by: kickass10101 | December 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I concur, I'm not you. I've had the handle closer44 for years on other sites. Here, I read more than post. Usually only post when things get really slow @ work.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 4:51 PM

There has been an epidemic of bloggers trying to reinvent themselves with new names and sometimes even a new persona . I’d create a list but after awhile it’s usually pretty obvious.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Think Joe Theismann will give Jimmy Clausen the nod to wear #7?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse
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If we draft Clausen and no OL, the real question will be whether Joey T gives him the number of his orthopedic surgeon.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

PS - We should draft OL in rounds 1 and 2, sign campbell for one year to see how he does behind at least a semi-decent OL...then try to get a qb the next yr (if there is no lockout)

Posted by: kickass10101 | December 30, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I think we should sign Campbell for 3 years and draft a QB next year. Campbell can take the hits and get his second chance while we are rebuilding. The thing is that even if we do draft a new line there may be some time for them to begin to gel. You don't want a rookie QB dealing with that. Let our QB of the future ride the pine for a couple of years and put him in once the team is ready to rock.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Think Joe Theismann will give Jimmy Clausen the nod to wear #7?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 30, 2009 4:59 PM

I'm hoping either Jacoby, Grimm, or Starke give the nod to Okung or Campbell to wear one of theirs instead.

**Yes, I'm aware that none of those #'s are unofficially or officially retired.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

We shouldn't forget, in these frigid times, Vicks Formula 44.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 30, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

By next year I meant 2011. We should take olie and a running back and possibly a KR specialist in this draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 30, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm also totally against drafting a QB, particularly Bradford, with the 1 rd pick.

But, if BA and the new coach think that is the way to go (and i think it will be their call vice Danny's), I'm willing to give them until week 3 or so before i start screaming about how stupid they were to get a QB and not get Oline 10+ year stud.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Or +44...the American alternative rock band formed by Blink-182 members Mark Hoppus and Travis Barker

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, interesting take..
Here is Snyders problem..but hopefully he will sell before it surfaces.. (dream on).
He is losing a core of younger people that will have not nostalgia for the Skins..
Alot of the posters here are geezers from the 80s and early 90s when the Skins were relevant and not like perennial losers.
If Snyders losing ways continue, that waiting list, if it exists, is going to literally die off.. And Snyder will have an expansion team.
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And that is a wrap on 2009’s ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2009 4:28 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

clifton ... agreed.

I really think Snyder is closing in on a tipping point ... several NFL teams aren't selling out as of now. If the product doesn't improve, 5 years from now, this could be ugly.

Tis all from me for now ... off to see the Sharks play the Caps tonite.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...the ad at the bottom of the page is one for the wapo with the number 44 prominently displayed to the left...

Posted by: BigE44 | December 30, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Just checking back in, so I'm going to post on Jim Zorn. WTF. Does it really take all week to decide on the starting RG. The inability to make a decisive move quickly, is one of Zorn's worst traits.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, that is terrific, thanks for that. I love how the dude who posted that courageously states his preference for the Howlin' Wolf version over the Clapton version.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 30, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Alot of the posters here are geezers from the 80s and early 90s when the Skins were relevant and not like perennial losers.

Dude, not geezers from the fifties and sixties.???? SONNY, CHARLIE, and BOBBY. Now them's the good ole' daze.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"Scooter" SCUDERO, VINCE PROMUTO, JIM PODOLEY, LEON HEATH, DON BOSSLER, EDDIE SUTTON, DICK JAMES, EDDIE LeBARON, DON BOLL, ah, those were the days, right DIESEL44?

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

We are not at the tipping point quite yet. Keep in mind that the Steelers were horrible throughout most of the 1980s and 1990s and they still had diehard fans. Green Bay was also horrible throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Dallas also had some very bad seasons in the 1980s. All three teams still had fans who came to the stadium. Unfortunately, with the Redskins, there are enough fans who will still come to the stadium even if the team goes 1-15. It would require performance that rivals the Detroit Lions for maybe ten straight years. And while the Redskins are bad they are still better than the Lions even though they did lose to them this year.

Snyder isn't going to have to worry about declining ticket sales for a while. The odds of a blackout here are pretty low, given that the season ticket still has a several decade waiting list.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

trent cole is good he gets sacks and pressure on the qb he also stated before that the best o-lineman he every faced was chris samuels. washington is lucky to have 1 starter in the pro bowl this is a 4-12 5-11 team. get the team on the right track if the new GM and HC are allowed to do it the heck with the pro bowl for now.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 6:14 PM

Eddie LaBaron was a 5'9" QB. He was so prolific that Chrysler named a car after him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

NOBODY on a 4-win team should be upset about not making the Pro Bowl period. P-E-R-D.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 30, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on Yahoo.

"212 in NFL would have lesser free agency if no cap"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsqsYkDBzzu22B2MRvg.xsk5nYcB?slug=ap-freeagencychanges&prov=ap&type=lgns

Top line stuff.

In an uncapped year, a player would need at least six years in the NFL, up from the current minimum of four years in the league, to be an unrestricted free agent able to sign with any team.

“If you’re a free agent, of course you’ve got a lot of options, but if you’re a restricted free agent, it’s pretty much the team’s choice, depending on what they want to do,” Campbell said.

“All of a sudden, your rules change,” said Campbell, one of seven Redskins players on the list. “That’s the situation I’ve been dealt and so have other guys on the team.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

This Mike Iupati (OG) is just mauling dudes. He's also good pulling and leading off tackle runs. Right now he's the second rated OG in the draft sitting late 1st - early 2nd. He's got good feet and hands. We shall see...

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 6:50 PM

That's what I was talking about last night. In an uncapped year, the free agents that will be available will most likely be older vets, unless someone is flat out released. If the Skins want to use the FA market to supplement the OL, then they'll be looking at players generally 30+ years old. They can get some solid players, but they will be stop gap players, like Pete Kendall. The Skins will still need to invest early picks (I'd go 1st and 2nd this year) on the OL over the next few years.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

“All of a sudden, your rules change,” said Campbell, one of seven Redskins players on the list. “That’s the situation I’ve been dealt and so have other guys on the team.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Campbell seems to have adjusted to this new system pretty quickly.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 7:09 PM

Going from 4 years to 6 is a HUGE deal. Just consider today's Portis vs. 2 years ago.

An uncapped 2010 is a blessing (get rid of all bad contracts) and a curse (5 draft picks and a FA pool of 30 yr olds).

If I'm Shanny I would seriously consider other options, even Buffalo.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 working the draft is going to be really important. Allen is going to have turn 5 picks into 9 or 10. He'll have to earn earn his money that day.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

****Waring the following post makes reference to Jason Campbell****

Redskins news and notes
By: JOHN KEIM
Examiner Staff Writer
12/30/09 5:44 PM EST

The most discussed part of Jim Zorn's press conference was the awkward pause when he was asked if Jason Campbell could ever become a franchise quarterback. Zorn clearly does not view him in those terms. He's being honest, but it's also telling.

"A lot of people want to label every quarterback, 'He has to be a franchise player,' " Zorn said. "I don't know if that is where he's at. I don't think it is. But he just continues to imrpove as a starting quarterback in this league."
When asked if he could get there, Zorn said, after a couple second pause, "The way he works, his grit, his determination, he can. But in every instance the quarterbacks all have help from other guys. So that remains to be seen."
That's also a shot at the rest of the offensive talent. Again, a bit harsh but true. Campbell is the sort of quarterback who must be lifted by those around him as much as he lifts them.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

cont....

"He still continues to improve," Zorn said. "He showed that he could turn a receiver down and read a coverage, read a progression and get the ball to the right guy. I don't think he's been stuck on a single reciever like he was in the first year. Second, he's really improved his explosiveness away from the line of scrimmage. His getting rid of the ball has been much quicker than when I first got here. He's a threat when it comes to scrambling, not every play but when he takes off he can motor down the field and pick up yards. He hasn't improved his sliding ability."
We hadn't noticed.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

So owners and players can agree on all these rules for an uncapped year, but can't simply agree on a cap?

I miss you Gene Upshaw. Here's another part that makes me go hmmm.

This is from Maske's article, not sure if it is a direct lift from an NFL statement.

"And the top eight playoff teams could sign a free agent only to replace a lost player."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/29/AR2009122901370.html?hpid=sec-sports

I buy that The Cap keeps small-market teams competitive, but this seems to penalize big-brained teams.

Is this the top four teams in each conference or best overall records? So team #8, which maybe got in because Peyton is picking splinters at 14-1 but realistically has no shot, is handcuffed while team #9 goes wild?

Goodell, you are a failure and an imbecile.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"I buy that The Cap keeps small-market teams competitive, but this seems to penalize big-brained teams."


I like Steve Young's point that it's not the cap that offends players, but the minimum salary issue.

NFL teams are awash with money, but some teams prefer to 'sit' on their profits, and not spend to build up the team via the payroll.

It almost pays to not field a winning NFL team in some places: and here is where the players say the owners are being fiscally disingenuous.

The same thing happens in Major League Baseball where small market teams get 'luxury tax' money, but pocket it and cry poormouth.

Nothing like a billionaire complaining about paying his bills.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

etrod, talking about cutler...never saw him play much so don't know him that well. but another thing about IT is that IT cannot be measured either. so having brandon marshall or not shouldn't matter. either he has it or doesn't.

look at mcnaab he doesn't have IT. he had what's his face, TO, in his prime and he just squandered his opportunity in the SB. TO has IT. michael vick has IT. and the only reason i'm picking the eagles to win it all is because of vick. i believe that somehow he will play a very important role "off the bench" for them in the playoffs.

hi smack, so are you bummed as much as i am happy that the girls will make the playoffs and jerrah will be forced to keep wade and romo around/status quo for another season. as much as i've hated seeing the girls win this past month i love the fact that jerrah will be stuck with romo and hopefully wade as well for another season.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The Humanitarian Bowl is out of control!

What does a "lost player" even mean. What if you are team #2, and your free safety is shot dead. Can you replace him through free agency?

Not at all impressed, and if there's no season in 2011 I will take Goodell out myself...

To dinner, to resolve the issue.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

What the draft should look like for us if things have changed

1. OT - Okung
2. G - Iupati or Johnson (AL)
4. QB - Joe Hiller
5. RB - Michael Smith (Ark)
6. LB - Clinton Synder (Stanford)

the other choice is to trade down in the first round and pick up 3 & 4 rnd picks

1. OT - Brown (USC)
2. G - Iupati or Johnson (AL)
3. S - Russell (OSU) or Allen (USF)
4. QB - Joe Hiller
4. OT - Beadles (Utah)
5. RB - Michael Smith (Ark)
6. LB - Clinton Synder (Stanford)

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 30, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey dealer,
I'll take stuck with Romo for the time being. 9-6 at worst, 24/8 and a playoff appearance, maybe he has matured a little.

Will there still be a colossal failure and epic disaster? Sure. The odds of the Boys winning the Super Bowl are about the same as a Skins TV blackout next season. But there are 32 teams and only one trophy. Try to manage expectations.

Not being the laughing stock of the league is good. Wade ain't great, but not having George Jetson at Head Coach is good. Status quo is good.

Whaddaya think?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"The most discussed part of Jim Zorn's press conference was the awkward pause when he was asked if Jason Campbell could ever become a franchise quarterback."

The term 'franchise quarterback' is overused.

And because such players are rare, commonsense and history suggest it's better to have a manager who excels at letting others make winning plays.

Trent Dilfer, Bob Greise, Ken Stabler, Vince Ferragamo, Ron Jaworski, Jim Plunkett, Danny White, Jim McMahon, Boomer Esiason, Mark Rypien, Jake Delhomme, and others have all made it to the Super Bowl.

And not a one of them were 'franchise quarterbacks'.

They were excellent game managers who had career years.

And they all had fine playcalling and excellent blocking in front of them.

Why Zorn is so dismissive of that fact in Campbell's case is what's instructive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Danny made it as a punter and played a little QB when Dodge hurt his pinky. You can subtract him and insert Tony Eason.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Campbell seems to have adjusted to this new system pretty quickly.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

lol@smack, good stuff.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 30, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Random Thoughts:

1. Stop with the Russ Grimm for Coach talk! We as fans are willing to drag up anybody from the Golden Era and give him a clipboard. I'm not saying that Grimm would not make a good coach, but what has he done that has proven that he will be successful in this particular situation. Most would turn on him after a missed 4th and inches.

2. Stop with the "he's a warrior talk"! I can appreciate toughness and grit, but stop with the "bring Ladell Betts back" talk. He's 30 years old and coming off a knee injury...do you wanna rebuild with that. As far as Campbell is concerned, I agree with Kornheiser and Wilbon...bring him back maybe for a year and sign someone to bring along.

3. I have heard many fans condemn the possibility of the Redskins picking a QB in the 1st round. Why? He doesn't have to start right away. If you bring Campbell back, I don't think you put all your eggs in one basket with him. It would be different if they pick a QB and no Olineman in the later rounds.

4. WE FINALLY HAVE A GM...REMEMBER HOW YA'LL SAID YOU'D COME BACK TO THE TEAM IF THEY HIRED A REAL GM...WELL, WE GOT ONE....GIVE THEM SOME TIME AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 30, 2009 8:10 PM

I would sign up right now for either scenario.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

No way those fans are online? Broadband in the nursing homes??
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Alot of the posters here are geezers from the 80s and early 90s when the Skins were relevant and not like perennial losers.

Dude, not geezers from the fifties and sixties.???? SONNY, CHARLIE, and BOBBY. Now them's the good ole' daze.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 30, 2009 6:10 PM |

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

And because such players are rare, commonsense and history suggest it's better to have a manager who excels at letting others make winning plays.

Trent Dilfer, Bob Greise, Ken Stabler, Vince Ferragamo, Ron Jaworski, Jim Plunkett, Danny White, Jim McMahon, Boomer Esiason, Mark Rypien, Jake Delhomme, and others have all made it to the Super Bowl.

Posted by MistaMoe....

MistaMoe...

You've heard me say this many times on this blog. Of course, you can win with an average QB, but Jason Campbell has not shown me anything that would lead me to think he has all the intangibles the above QB's have to win. I will NEVER agree that JC should be given a long term deal until he leads this team to a come from behind victory. He lacks confidence and presence.

Look at Aaron Rodgers...he has a shotty O-line but somehow he is able to make plays.

It's called: POCKET PRESENCE and LEADERSHIP

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

At this point this is what my hopes are for the Skins in the draft.

1st Okung (OT)
2nd Iupati (OG)
4th Owusu-Ansah (CB)
5th Skelton (QB)
6th Tony Washington (OT)

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope they put off making a decision on Rogers and Landry for another year, especially if Rogers turns out to be a restricted free agent.

As bad as Landry has been in coverage this year we'd need to take a crack at correcting that under a new regime.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 30, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I keep tellin' ya'll that CJ Spiller is gonna be a beast!

I can hear ya'll now..."F Allen/Snyder...we could have had Spiller"

Just like you did with DeSean Jackson!

CJ SPILLER NOW!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

At this point this is what my hopes are for the Skins in the draft.

1st Okung (OT)
2nd Iupati (OG)
4th Owusu-Ansah (CB)
5th Skelton (QB)
6th Tony Washington (OT)

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 8:45 PM

I like it. I think after the allstar games and the combine Skelton will be in the 3-4 range.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

smack, i hear you. you're right. looking back i wish i had enjoyed the gibbs II years a little more instead of wallowing in the fact that it was all temporary and they weren't doing it the right way (via draft and overspending and wasting picks). hindsight i was correct but still i wish i had enjoyed it more cuz that was a WHOLE lot better than the jim zorn era.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge Spiller is a want, a LT is need. The Skins need to find a starting LT at some point this offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

STAY AWAY FROM SKILL POSITION PLAYERS IN THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS PLEASE!!!!! this team needs to build their trenches and then go after skill positions.

look at what shanny has done with running backs late in the draft. anyone could get 1000 yards in his system.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It will take 2 years to address all the holes and have to start with the atrocious offense and give it time to develop.

Year 3 it should start paying out with some balance on both sides then we'll know what we have.

We're basically looking at building up to the 2013 season to be where the Eagles are.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 30, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge Spiller is a want, a LT is need. The Skins need to find a starting LT at some point this offseason.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 8:55 PM

LT, RT, RG are immediate needs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Ok...ok...so no CJ Spiller, but you all assume lineman drafted in the high rounds will all be Pro Bowlers...they can be busts too you know.

I agree, you build from the lines out though.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Rickyroge, we dont need them to be probowlers. We need them to be above avg. Miraculous will be the turn around if we simply have an above avg Oline that can consistently sustain a passing pocket and open a running lane to get the RB to the second level.

LT, RT, RG sounds good to me.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

btw F MEDIA!!!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4782723

what did urban meyer say or hint that led the f'ing media to doubt what he said was sincere? IT IS HIS F'ing HEALTH!!! that's the most private thing about a person, his/her body! WTF!!! is wrong with people!

when is this country going to lash out? or our descent towards euro tabloid society inevitable?

off my soapbox.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

On Defense, we need a DT, SSLB, and FS.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The Terps are losing by 15 to William and Mary… I root for nothing but losers apparently.

My apologies to any Terps, Orioles, Wizards and more importantly Redskin fans. It appears that I have jinxed all the teams that I root for except the Caps.

MY BAD…

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, you can win with an average QB, but Jason Campbell has not shown me anything that would lead me to think he has all the intangibles the above QB's have to win."

I in no way was suggesting that Campbell was on the same page as the 'manager-type' q-backs I listed.

In fact, after 5 years, his play is uneven enough to suggest he hasn't grown.

It's like he's Tony Banks without the NFL mileage.

But he should be re-signed to keep things warm while a rookie is groomed and made ready.

My point is that if the team wants to move forward at the position, it shouldn't be on the look out for a franchise quarterback.

Whomever replaces Campbell should be a guy who has had a lot of starts, is NFL ready, and super accurate.

Right now, both S Bradford and J Clausen fit that bill.

I'd like to draft a guy who in two years is where C Henne--dolphins is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

basketball or football?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Ralphie's kids are done for the year dealer.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Ok...ok...so no CJ Spiller,..."


So you give up that easily?

I understand.

I think what is wanted is a new backfield and frontline.

Spiller winds up being a metaphor for that desire.

I think the team needs to somehow get additional picks in early rounds.

Doing so would free up a pick for lineman and a running back.

We have a GM now.

Hopefully, he'll work some kind of magic.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

basketball or football?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:25 PM

Bball...the football team won 2 freaking games.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe...

I've been around a while to know how fans are. We can draft 10 OLineman and someone will say we shoulda/coulda had CJ Spiller or someone else when they see them light up the league...

Case and point...Many fans while cause we coulda had DeSean Jacskon, but he's 5'10" and fast...we already had a team of small receivers.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

diesal44

"At this point this is what my hopes are for the Skins in the draft."

1st Okung (OT)
2nd Iupati (OG)

If we could get another top pick, you could add a quarterback or running back to that list and make a lot of folks happy.

It also makes me kinda hate that Vinny burned the third rounder on Jarmon: remember, R Jackson, C Wilson, and B Orakpo are also de-ends.

Why did we need another?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

diesel that sucks! that's the only thing that gets me thru winter. what is gary doing?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

you can never have too many D-Lineman...also, just like we've ignored the Oline, we've ignored the D-line too...so we're set there now.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Brady, Henne, what is it with those Michigan QBs?

Looks like Arizona Ndamukong sucks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 30, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

rickroge

"...Many fans while cause we coulda had DeSean Jacskon, but he's 5'10" and fast...we already had a team of small receivers."


I understand this sentiment.

Last spring I was big on three players: Michael Oher, Phil Loadholdt, and Percy Harvin.

Folks moaned hated the idea of drafting Harvin and let me know about it in volumes whenever I posted the suggestion.

And now, which players are needs for the skins?


B Orakpo--pro bowler

Percy Harvin

Micheal Oher

Phil Loadholt


Of the 4, Orakpo wasn't a need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

yeah.. and Vinny passed on DeSean, twice, and Eddie Royal, once.
Vinny....we hate to see you go...
(so slow).
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Of the 4, Orakpo wasn't a need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:41 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Personally, i would get the Oline right this year. If nothing else was accomplished, it would be a success. I'd let Campbell compete with Colt and hey, give Bartel a shot to prove he belongs on the roster. I trade back and get LT, RT, RG in the first three rounds. After that, I'd get DT and SSB and then BPA LB, DL, FS. This accomplishes three things: 1) gives the new Oline a chance to develop for a year 2) starts to replenish the D at positions of need 3) would most likely result in another high 1 rd pick in 2011.

In 2011, assuming Colt didn't shock the world and prove to be The Answer, i would do what ever it takes to get "The Franchise QB", who would come in behind an Oline that could give him a chance to succeed instead of getting creamed. Locker, for example, will only be better after another year under Sarkisian. I would also get a game changing RB or WR a la Spiller or DeSean Jackson if there were any bullets left after getting TFQB.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

make that
Henne,
Royal and
DeSean

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like Ndamukong Suh sucks."

I think Suh is the produce of a very good scheme.

The cornhuskers' defensive unit is balla--it's not all Suh.

He's Glenn Dorsey, 2.0: lotta college talk, average NFL player.

I'll pass on Suh.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

might get a Third for JC as compensation, if Skins dont match.. At that level, Snyder probably will..
Interesting if an Offer at the 2.5 mil annual..If so, Skins get a 1st and 3rd.. However, I doubt that will happen.
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diesal44

"At this point this is what my hopes are for the Skins in the draft."

1st Okung (OT)
2nd Iupati (OG)

If we could get another top pick, you could add a quarterback or running back to that list and make a lot of folks happy.

It also makes me kinda hate that Vinny burned the third rounder on Jarmon: remember, R Jackson, C Wilson, and B Orakpo are also de-ends.

Why did we need another?

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:35 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:35 PM

You, ME, & RR have been screaming for Spiller for months. This guy has everything we don't have and that's speed.

He is a complete back (not Bush 2.0) and he would upgrade our returns game immediately. We’re not good enough to consistently have 8-15 play scoring drives and we need a homerun hitter for once.

If we could somehow trade our 5th or 6th pick and get a mid 1st, 2nd, & 4th. I would go...
1. RB Spiller
2. OG Iupati
2. OT Jason Fox
4. QB Skelton
4,5,7. Best player avail.

If not they have to address the OL early
1. OT Okung/Campbell
2. OG Iupati

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll pass on Suh.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:47 PM

I'm not a hype person, but Suh is the real deal. In the second half pay attention how he controls the one or two blockers he facing. His hands are violent, and he hustles on every play. He will be an extremely good NFL player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so after reading all the Aaron Rodgers posts today, I've finally figured it all out. Someone tell Snydlen to trade Portis, Campbell, and the broadcast rights for Vinny's radio show to the Packers for AaR. Viola! Super Bowl 2011.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

zzzzz..
G Night..I am out till Sunday....

Here's hoping JZ needs to find a ride home from San Diego.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, agree. He stands his guy up every play and is instantly in position to make the play if it comes to his gap. He never gets moved out. He plays with discipline.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey all you JC supporters....

Let's say we rebuild the Oline this year...

What do you see in Campbell that leads you to believe that he is our QB for the next 3-5 years?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'll pass on Suh.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 9:47 PM

I'm not a hype person, but Suh is the real deal. In the second half pay attention how he controls the one or two blockers he facing. His hands are violent, and he hustles on every play. He will be an extremely good NFL player.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 9:54 PM |

The whole debate is (S)moot. He is unofficially a Ram or a Lion.

Moe- this guy is the best Defensive prospect in the last 10 years. Glen Dorsey was laying down on the turf in college before Haynie started doing it in the pros.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

might get a Third for JC as compensation, if Skins dont match

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At the lowest tender JC get's you a first. In that situation, if Allen takes a third and nothing else for JC, he's not doing his job.

At the next tender level JC get's a 1st and 3rd. Again if the Skins only get a third and nothing else, we should all be concerned about Allen's abilities.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd like ot see Pellini cut him loose in the 4th if they are up big, just to see what he can do if he was unfettered by having to stay home and play the scheme.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 30, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Who said Suh sucks????


With Haynesworth, Suh, and Orakpo....

Championship!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

nothing.. he is a loser and severely lacks leadership skills...
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Hey all you JC supporters....

Let's say we rebuild the Oline this year...

What do you see in Campbell that leads you to believe that he is our QB for the next 3-5 years?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:03 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I heard if the Skins want Campbell back they would have to match a 3-year deal. I would pass on that!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

TWISI..
Thats all the Snyder was offered last March..
A Third..
And that was before 4-12 and being ranked 32nd in passing yards.
Campbell's stock has decreased since last year.
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might get a Third for JC as compensation, if Skins dont match

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At the lowest tender JC get's you a first. In that situation, if Allen takes a third and nothing else for JC, he's not doing his job.

At the next tender level JC get's a 1st and 3rd. Again if the Skins only get a third and nothing else, we should all be concerned about Allen's abilities.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:05 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

i'd take that michigan QB in the 4th round if he's still there...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

cliftonbiz that was lat year, with better QB prospects available. Last year, the skins couldn't deal JC from a position of leverage, this offseason they could. Teams knew the Skins wanted to get rid of JC, and negotiated accordingly. Also, this offseason JC will be in the top 3 of FA QBs, and the draft is a weak one as far as QBs.If the FO goes into the offseason willing to keep JC for a year or two, they can dictate the negotiations, rather than be dictated to.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:03 PM

Sorry dude...the JC posts make me say nonsensical stuff.

When all of you JC supporters are ready, you can be like lustful warriors riding two black steeds, traveling from kingdom to kingdom, conquering with your love until you control a vast empire that you can rule with a fair hand and smoldering sensuality.

He's a gatekeeper until other more pressing needs are met. Tender and see what comes of it.

If they draft a QB early then I'll go Tanya Harding on Snyder, because no GM would draft a QB with the worst OL in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Spiller makes me a little nervous because he's so small. Not that there haven't been some great small workhorse backs in the NFL (maybe he's the second coming of Barry or Emmit). If at all possible, it's gotta be OL, though I'd rather take Spiller than a medium-high first-round QB. The thought of Heath Shuler's name still sends shivers down my spine, and none of the QBs coming out next year really get my blood pumping. If we don't do something about our line, Bradford's on IR in the preseason, Clauson's an int machine, and Tebow--geez, if it comes to Tebow god help us.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

The only way I can appreciate drafting a QB early is if the Skins have secured another pick in the 1st, or multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 10:15 PM

Spiller 5'11 205
Chris Johnson 5'10 195

Tebow should go in the 3rd or 4th as a TE/FB. Some team (Jacksonville)will make that mistake in the 1st though.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"If we could somehow trade our 5th or 6th pick and get a mid 1st, 2nd, & 4th. I would go..."

1. RB Spiller
2. OG Iupati
2. OT Jason Fox


That's more like it.


So how do you get the other 2nd rounder?

I'd trade the '11 first rounder to get that additional second rounder.


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"If they draft a QB early, then I'll go Tanya Harding on Snyder, because no GM would draft a QB with the worst OL in the history of the NFL."


Hear, hear.

The Anti-JC crowd doesn't get that the poor offensive line kind of gives him an upperhand.

Who'd pay a young quarterback $30 million to get sacked 41 times or hit most of the time he goes back to throw?

Campbell should be re-signed just to keep things warm for the newbie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:25 PM

We currently have the 5th or 6th pick overall, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th.

If we could find a trade partner for our 1st that should net us a mid 1st, 2nd, & 4th.

That would give us...
Mid 1st
2 2nds
2 4ths
5th
7th

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"Spiller makes me a little nervous because he's so small."

Watch Darren Sproles this weekend before you doubt the power of speed.

Also watch Marcus McNeil block for P Rivers.

It would be nice to see McNeil in DC next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Diesell44...

What if they draft a QB early and draft two or three O-lineman after that?

Again...1st round Olineman can be busts too!

I just don't understand why everyone is so scared to take a QB in the first round...it's like there have never been any successful 1st round QB's.

I want Olineman too but I want a QB...and CJ Spiller.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

That's the kind of creativity to get picks I'd like to see.

Let's go in to speak with Mr. Allen :)))))

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44, I saw Spiller listed as 195 on espn.com. But whatever, watching him play, he looks smallish to me. Not to say he won't be great--there are definitely backs his size who are--but my point is that if we have no one blocking for whoever our back ends up being, not much else will matter. Again, Spiller over Clausen or Bradford every day of the week, and twice on draft day. But if it can be done, give me a stud OL!

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

just don't understand why everyone is so scared to take a QB in the first round...it's like there have never been any successful 1st round QB's.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:33 PM

rickyroge for me it's the QB draft class this year. Not a whole lot difference between the second tier QBs in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | December 30, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Spiller makes me a little nervous because he's so small."

Watch Darren Sproles this weekend before you doubt the power of speed.

Also watch Marcus McNeil block for P Rivers.

It would be nice to see McNeil in DC next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

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Speed kills! I love it. We need it. But I think we need some beef even more. Sproles, Spiller, whoever. It's hard to get out into space when whoever Stephon Heyer was supposed to block squashes you like a bug as soon as you take the hand off.

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

You're right...but it's nice to dream...Funny you should bring up Sproles...I wanted him last year...Sproles can take a screen to the house.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Also watch Marcus McNeil block for P Rivers.

It would be nice to see McNeil in DC next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 30, 2009 10:33 PM

I've posted my thoughts about the Auburn team that JC played on many times. Too keep it short..McNeill is the best PRO of the 8-12 guys in the league.

Marcus McNeill is Chris Samuels from their skill set to injuries... They both have spinal stenosis (narrowing of the spine) and perennial pro bowlers.

Problem with an Uncapped year is that big MM would end up being a RFA and not a UFA. You need 6 yrs instead of 4. He is a charger unless someone trades for him.


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: closer44 | December 30, 2009 10:36 PM

No wonder people confuse us.

The draft and FA has to net a new LT, RT, & RG. If it was Madden for the XBOX I'd find a way to get Suh, Berry, Okung & Spiller.

The OL has to be the focus of 2010 much like 2008 was for receivers and 2009 was for DL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

diesel, rember troy aikman's first year? he got hammered! then the herschel walker trade happened and he got protection...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

hey..WashPost.. Why does Jason Reid have his picture and name splashed all over Redskins Insider's headline layout..."REDSKINS INSIDER by Jason Reid" when he contributes to about a fifth of the writings??
Who are the Borens, Svrlugas, Maeskes..etc..?? His personal interns??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

yeah Dealer1..
Remember Ramsey, Shuler and Ferrotte got protection in their next teams.. Turned out they were still Ramsey, Shuler and Ferrotte..
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diesel, rember troy aikman's first year? he got hammered! then the herschel walker trade happened and he got protection...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 10:57 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

no, no, no, i'm not a jc fan.

i was supporting his statement that only the worst owners (jerrah) would draft a QB before the line...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

diesel, rember troy aikman's first year? he got hammered! then the herschel walker trade happened and he got protection...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 30, 2009 10:57 PM

I'd be willing to bet that no one from the 2010 QB will be a 6x pro bowler, 3x super bowl winner, and a HOF.

We're all partial but that OL that he had was the 1990's version of the hogs and no trade like Herschel will ever happen again.

The only QB in my mind that is worthy of a top 10 pick is Clausen and he will be off the board (thank god).

I also remember Peyton Mannings first year and he's also not available in the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Who are the Borens, Svrlugas, Maeskes..etc..?? His personal interns??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 30, 2009 10:58 PM

I'd rather see Cindy's photo. I'd call for a poll but that would be rhetorical.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

First off, I still believe the Skins need to use their 1st round pick to draft an O-lineman, or a solid cover CB who will be a starter (or use it to engineer a trade to acquire a LEGITIMATE Starting quality LT or CB) for AT LEAST 5-7 years for the team.

That being said, I see some current F/A OTs who should also be available and affordable (in a relative sense) in 2010.

Top YOUNG F/A OT candidates:
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Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (26)
Not an elite LT, but plays above average. Playing on his rookie 2nd round pick contract, has had neck & back issues in the past.


Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (27)
One of the more underrated LTs in league. Has proven in the past to be a truly balanced LT (vs pass & run).


Jermon Bushrod, New Orleans Saints (26) – Rest. FA
Bushrod has done a commendable job replacing the All-Pro Brown, good enough to play LT on many teams.


Other Average or slightly above F/A OL of note:
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Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (27)
Jeromey Clary, SD Chargers (26) Rest. F/A
Nick Cole, Philadelphia Eagles (26)
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (27)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (27)


Might be worth a flyer F/A OL:
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Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (26)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (28)

I would recommend to Mr. Allen the he and the team acquire one of the above FA OTs, draft AT LEAST one more, AND attempt to re-sign OT-Levi Jones, & OL-Stephon Heyer with the idea to make Jones a starter at whichever position the Skins don't get a strong OT to fill, and use Heyer as veteran depth.

That would affordable and realistically address the O-line, and allow the team to focus on filling needs at CB, S, OLB, and RB.

There, Happy Holidays Bruce.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 30, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 30, 2009 11:45 PM

Your handle matches your thought process. Only problem my good man is that 2010 is more than likely an uncapped year and most of those guys will go from Unrestricted FAs to RFAs.

In an uncapped year, a player would need at least six years in the NFL, up from the current minimum of four years in the league, to be an unrestricted free agent able to sign with any team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

The draft and FA has to net a new LT, RT, & RG. If it was Madden for the XBOX I'd find a way to get Suh, Berry, Okung & Spiller.

The OL has to be the focus of 2010 much like 2008 was for receivers and 2009 was for DL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 10:54 PM
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Maybe we can go all Capt Kirk on them and reprogram the draft to get us a couple of extra picks!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | December 31, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I saw a chunk of jibba abut the end of the current CBA. The uncapped year, the RFA extension, and free-agency-only-for-non-playoff-teams provisions were set up as 'poison pills' to encourage both sides to continue the CBA.
Obviously, the owners see a lot more upside than the original negotiators thought they would. I presume that the down economy combined with the increased age of UFA candidates means that the owners don't fear a price war right now, and they see the opportunity to really squeeze labor costs going into 2011.
This is interesting from a Redskins perspective in that amongst the various dysfunctions of this organizations, the hardest one to break is the way we structure contracts (with big bonuses up front, then increasing base salaries which force renegotiation (and make release or trade difficult because of the cap hit). If we take the uncapped year to get off that train, clean up some of the potential dead money, and get some sanity in our new signings, it might make the money they spend translate to performance on the field.
This is, I think, the Cap magic that Allen brings.

Posted by: daggar | December 31, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Free agency is gonna determine how the skins draft. My guess is that Shanahan makes a pre-draft trade for a qb - a Sage Rosenfels or Tyler Thigpen type of mobile qb that thinks fast on his feet. One thing for sure, Shanny won't try to combine a smash-mouth running game with a west coast passing attack.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 31, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

...which brings me to my argument bout Orakpo....look at his numbers outside of sacks....then tell me what you think of him...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 30, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse


Sorry 4th - but thats like saying look at favres numbers outside of TDs and tell me what you think of him!!..... Sacks and defensive TOs are a defenses objective

Posted by: scottmando1 | December 31, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

The Terps are losing by 15 to William and Mary… I root for nothing but losers apparently.

My apologies to any Terps, Orioles, Wizards and more importantly Redskin fans. It appears that I have jinxed all the teams that I root for except the Caps.

MY BAD…


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 30, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

No need for apologies Diesel44. Not every owner is a LEONSIS. So have faith in the WIZARDS. They will soon be under the LEONSIS umbrella, heads will roll, and in four years, the WIZARDS will be on fire.

Meanwhile, I took a long look at the 212 players effected in the event of no cap in 2010. TWISI was correct last night when he said all of my FA's but DANSBY would continue under team control in that event. So we can get he, or ANGELO CROWELL for SSLB in FA. That means NICK COLLINS, DUNTA ROBINSON, BARRY COFIELD, and DONALD PENN will all be under team control next season.

Therefore we have no luxury of picking in the skill positions for QB's and RB's.

Go with BERRY FS TENN. or CAMPBELL LT whichever is available in the first. If both available, take the LT.

TRENT WILLIAMS RT OKLA. or IUPATI OG IDAHO in the second.

STEPHEN VIRGIL CB VA. TECH in the fourth. Ras-I Dowling is off the board announcing he will play for Va. his senior year.

And pray in rounds five and seven. Needs include DT, CB, FS(depending), C back-up, and LG back-up.

Take MATT McCRACKEN LG RICH., BRANDON CARTER RG TX. TECH, and TERRELL WHITEHEAD FS NORF. ST. as undrafted FA's if available.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 31, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Just reposting this to spark some early-morning debate...my Redskins All-Decade Team:

Offense:

QB-Jason Campbell
RB-Clinton Portis (barely edging Stephen Davis)
FB-Mike Sellers
WR-Santana Moss
WR-Rod Gardner (yeah, it was THAT bad)
TE-Chris Cooley
LT-Chris Samuels
LG-Derrick Dockery
C-Casey Rabach
RG-Randy Thomas
RT-Jon Jansen

Defense:

RE-Bruce Smith
DT-Cornelius Griffin
DT-Dan Wilkinson
LE-Marco Coleman
WLB-LaVar Arrington
MLB-London Fletcher
SLB-Marcus Washington
CB-Champ Bailey
CB-Shawn Springs
FS-Sean Taylor
SS-Sam Shade

K-Shaun Suisham (yeah, it's been THAT bad)
P-Bryan Barker
KR/PR-Rock Cartwright

Wow, what an awful decade we just had...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 31, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what an awful decade we just had...


Posted by: brownwood26


Awful just barely begins to describe it. Here's to a much better decade starting now! HTTR!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 31, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope 65, let's hope.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 31, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Wow, what an awful decade we just had...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 31, 2009 6:05 AM

I think a good coach like Marty Schottenheimer could take you to the playoffs every year with that roster. And, the roster itself is no where near as good as it could be if you'd put Haynesworth, Orakpo, Mitchell on the team.

Posted by: League-Source | December 31, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

4. WE FINALLY HAVE A GM...REMEMBER HOW YA'LL SAID YOU'D COME BACK TO THE TEAM IF THEY HIRED A REAL GM...WELL, WE GOT ONE....GIVE THEM SOME TIME AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE.

Posted by: rickyroge

Its been ten years. How much patience can a person practice? So far nothing has changed and I'd be a fool to think it's going too.

BOYCOTT $NYDER-JOHNNY ROCKETS SUCKS-GO TO BUSCH GARDENS INSTEAD!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | December 31, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Now that we have a real GM, I hope that some major changes are made.

First off, I hope that we cut all of the dead wood on this team that we possibly can. I understand that some of the crazy, terrible contracts like Portis, ARE and Hall have, we just need to live with for a few more years. But, anyone else that is overpaid and underachieveing needs to go.

Also, I really believe that we need to trade some of the guys who actually have trade value on this team for draft picks.

Unfortunately, we have such a lack of talent we only have a few guys that would get anything on the trade block. Since Fred Davis had proven to be a decent TE, I think that either him or Cooley need to go. Cooley is the face of the franchise and probably my favorite player. But, he would bring us the most value. I feel that we woudl be able to get something for Davis, but not as much as Cooley. Also, Davis is not costing us as much as Cooley.

The only other player that I believe we have that woudl be worth anything on the market is Andre Carter. Carter and Orakpo essentially play the same position RE. Since trading Orakpo would be beyond stupid, I think that we should see if we can get something for Carter. He has had one of his best, if not his best year as a Redskin and his stock will never get any higher.

Posted by: NCMatt1 | December 31, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I find it funny that someone is suggesting that we trade for Sage Rosenfels. We had him and traded him away during the Steve Spurrier era. What you bet that we give more to get him back than what we got when we traded him.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Lucky for us Sage Rosenfels is a UFA in 2010, we do not have to give up anything but cash which Snyder has plenty of.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | December 31, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I Carter serious? News Flash... Your team is 4 and 11 moron! Conentrate on going 500 and getting sacks against formatable opponents with records above 500!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 31, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

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