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Carter says he'll play despite biceps tear (updated)

Defensive end Andre Carter underwent an MRI on his biceps today and, reached shortly thereafter, said that he expects to play Sunday with at least a slight biceps tear. That means both of the Redskins' starting defensive ends -- Phillip Daniels is the other -- will finish the season with biceps tears.

In other injury news, Coach Jim Zorn said at a press conference today at Redskins Park that Stephon Heyer is questionable for Sunday; Devin Thomas has a sprained ankle; and Jason Campbell has a shoulder stinger, but should be fine (natch).

Zorn, responding to Albert Haynesworth's comments: His "meaning can go in a lot of directions... It was a frustrating loss."

As for reports about Jerry Gray being interviewed for the head coaching position, Zorn said he is trying not to get distracted, saying he's a football coach, not an investigative reporter. "I feel pretty good about our staff," he said, "and I feel like we're together."

We'll have more shortly.

By Rick Maese  |  December 22, 2009; 12:25 PM ET
 
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Who cares.

Posted by: SkinzFanzz | December 22, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: DNPUrban | December 22, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

too bad about carter, hope he's ok, he's having a great year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

can there at least be a rumor about someone getting fired, anything, please

Posted by: connskins | December 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

His "meaning can go in a lot of directions... It was a frustrating loss."

One direction is that ya'll suck at coaching, he just left an organization with good coaching (Jeff Fisher and Jim Shwartz) and so he knows ya'll are crap.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

said he thought he fooled the Giants with the fake fg look enough that he could try again the second one, lol...oh that says it all.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 22, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

fired coach walking...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

For years now, I have felt like the Giants had intel on our snap count and play calling. Santana Moss basically said the same thing before the game. Now a Giant confirmed that they had an undisclosed key that gave them a jump on the snap. One constant during al these years has has been Rabach. Is there something he is doing pre-snap to give stuff away?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If DT has to sit, hopefully MK and MM will get some throws their way. Zorn sounds like a guy who has checked out. It's going to e a painfully long final two weeks of this season.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Zorn on the 2nd QTR Special teams blunder:

to stupid for me to write...I give up! NO MORE TRANSCRIBING! ZORN IS AN IDIOIT!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

For years now, I have felt like the Giants had intel on our snap count and play calling. Santana Moss basically said the same thing before the game. Now a Giant confirmed that they had an undisclosed key that gave them a jump on the snap. One constant during al these years has has been Rabach. Is there something he is doing pre-snap to give stuff away?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Seeing as how Renaldo Wynn played on the Dline against him the last two years and is back with the Skins, you think he might have said something if so?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 22, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm laughing at your post...come on, write it so that rest of us can have a good laugh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Can we just make it through the last 2 games without a serious injury to one of our guys that we actually want to keep? (Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Rak, etc....)

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why do we have to look like crap on national T.V.?! Zorn please fire yourself.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will not be successful until Snyder LEAVES the team alone. Hiring Allen is not the answer if his forte is salary cap. The Skins need someone eg Charley Casserly as a GM....someone that can spot talent.
I think Jason Campbell is being made a scapegoat. He's not Peyton Manning but if you put Manning behind that "line" he may not do as well as Campbell. Look what Campbell did in the games where he was given limited protection. When you're running for your life it's hard to look downfield. The Giants linemen were in the Skins backfield before Campbell could drop back.
Years ago Baltimore had a QB named Cuazo who filled in for Unitas when he was injured. Behind the Baltimore line Cuazo was fantastic. When he left Baltimore he lasted a year or so and was obscure while playing with his new team.
If you put a half decent line in front of Campbell you'll get results.

Snyder ....STAY OUT OF THE MIX

I also believe Zorn would have fared better had he had some linemen to work with.

Posted by: jokar21438 | December 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

stop saying that we need to trade cooley, we need players that want to play. why trade someone that we know he can play for draft picks that could become busts? also, Jim did not have to win the game last night, all he needed to do was to make the team to play better than what they did (what did they play, anyway?). people say it was all the circus around the redskins, well, the HC's go through tough times and they need to overcome. Zorn needs to step down, before he gets fired, I like him but the guy is not a HC anymore. from now on, he only embarrasses himself. we need a proven coach not an up and coming. we do not have anything to give to another inexperienced person. if we had a team, then we could say ok this guy could be a potential SB HC. we must go after Cower (sic) or SHanny. we must do it fast.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Zorn on the 2nd QTR Special teams blunder:

to stupid for me to write...I give up! NO MORE TRANSCRIBING! ZORN IS AN IDIOIT!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn would have fared better had he not answered the call from Snyder two years ago.

Posted by: connskins | December 22, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

JEZZ already, Just FIRE ZORN !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

For years now, I have felt like the Giants had intel on our snap count and play calling. Santana Moss basically said the same thing before the game. Now a Giant confirmed that they had an undisclosed key that gave them a jump on the snap. One constant during al these years has has been Rabach. Is there something he is doing pre-snap to give stuff away?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse


That's funny because last night Casey Rabach didn't even have intel on our snap count.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok Ok I am beginning to warm to Fred Davis...but the trade cooley talk is still straight tart:

1. He is hurt, this won't get full value

2. Dude still is one of only a handful of special players on the team

3. Face of franchise type stuff

4. Two TE can be a weapon. If a coach can't find away to utilize two weapons on offense, than he is a sucky coach (cough cough)

5. Why weaken a position.

6. Injuries happen...no guarantee they both are always healthy

7. Both young

8. Both under contract

9. both versatile enough to play slot, go in motion, play HB...even line up on the wing.

10. IF you must trade one of them..at least wait until they both play together and put up numbers.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

4th, I'm laughing at your post...come on, write it so that rest of us can have a good laugh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 12:39 PM

NO!! He's an IDIOT! This idiot said he thought it was a good play and then the Giants called TO. He wished that the Giants DID NOT have a TO. He thought it would still work, because the Giants didn't know what they were trying to do.

In hindsight...he would have kicked the FG......Which brings me to the point whenever JZ would talk in hindsight, he would usually say he would do the SAME THING....This time....NOT SO MUCH!!!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Am also wondering why Zoron the Moron should be distracted by something as trivial as the team's continuing search for another candidate for his job. Just fire him already and let somebody else worry about such distractions.

For that matter, was wondering why Zoron even came out of the locker room for the second half of last night's game -- given his abysmal performance thus far this season -- as encapsulated in the first half of last night.

IF DAN SNYDER HAD ANY SELF-RESPECT OR REGARD FOR THE FANS OF THE WASHINGTON FOOTBALL FRANCHISE, HE WOULD FIRE THIS HOPELESS EXCUSE FOR A LOSER ALREADY!!

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I thought Rabach was one of the top 3 worst players last night, hands down. He looked awful, getting blown up immediately on every down. Garbage.

Landry and Hall were my other 2. How did Wynn even get on the field last night. We couldnt have used Barnes or E. Williams...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

To all those hating on 'Trade Chris Cooley'

OPEN YOUR EYES....Davis is more agile, breaks more tackles, is faster, has more upside such as....

TRADE COOOOLEY for a 2nd ROUNDER....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

cl, thanks for posting that, I mean, all you had to do was post #1, and hopefully that would have been 'enough' to put an end to the Trade Cooley talk...

lets say that the guy who picked off Hunter Smith, took it to the house...I mean, thats a 10 point swing, from a chip shot FG to a TD for them....coach's CANNOT make decisions like this...it simply cannot happen...good coach's don't do this stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I like Cooley, but Cooley for a second or even a 3rd rounder would be fine by me...I understand the other logic, but I think we have bigger holes than Two TE sets.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 22, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Vic,

There is only two games left. Might as well embrace the horror and let them play out this string.

Was very bitter at the half of this game, then another thought popped in: it is a good thing for Allen to see in person what we as fans watched earlier this year - a team in absolute disarray that had all of the motivation of a sausage link. It is also a good thing for us as fans: any second thoughts regarding players or coaches should be wiped out - the Redskins are done teasing us.

A whole lot of folks won't be with this team next year, and that is best.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 22, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If you can flip Coooley for a qaulity starting OLineman....You wouldn't do it?

Well.......that's what a 2nd rounder gets ya....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

He left little doubt, though, that he does not believe the style defensive coordinator Greg Blache has asked him to play in Washington suits him. He said he was allowed to rush upfield more during his seven years as a Tennessee Titan.

"That's what I did in Tennessee," Haynesworth said. "I was successful at it. I just rushed and they let me go and I was winning a bunch of games and things like that, and we was up there in the top two or three in sacks and defense and defensive line, and we did well. You see [defensive coordinator Jim] Schwartz got a head coaching job from it [in Detroit]. Hey, maybe we need to try that here."
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Lame azz gold brick. What we need to try here is you providing value back for all the Skinz $$$ that you are collecting instead of these ridiculous excuses you are coming up with.

Posted by: TLoad | December 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

NO ONE is trading a 2/3 pick for cooley off a broken leg. Think people. Maybe next offseason if they prove they can't coexist. But their is ample evidence that a good coach could turn it into a huge asset.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Wonder when we will hear if Samuels is going to retire or try a comeback, I hope he retires...then we dont have to pay him his full cap hit, right or do we still have the cap hit???

IMO I would still sign L. Jones for next year, for depth at least, possibly RT, who knows. He looked like he was hobbling really bad last night at times.

God they sucked last night, it was like watching spring game for colleges

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 22, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

is the press conference over? maybe they can fire someone now. The room is all set up for it just keep the reporters right there

Posted by: connskins | December 22, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about that FG play is that nobody even went out for the pass. I was thinking Smith would immediately throw it to the guy to the left, behind all the blockers and let him find his way into the end zone, but Smith just threw it like a fade route to no one in particluar.

That play truly sums up this year's team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 22, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

cl, its like this bizzare world, where you can trade guys who are hurt, and get good value for them....i don't get it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"NO ONE is trading a 2/3 pick for cooley off a broken leg. Think people."

New Orleans traded a 2nd round pick for Jeremy Shockey coming off a broken leg. And Cooley is twice the player Shockey is.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

First item in the agenda:

GET RID OF CAMPBELL.

Posted by: hock1 | December 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I unfortunately attended the game.

It was much worse than it appeared on TV.

For all those that say Levi and BMW are keepers on the OL, You're stupid.

For those idiots who said we should keep Zorn or any coach on this staff. You wouldn't know football if I hit you in the face with one.

I posted this last night and would like to apologize to the stupid/idiot population of the world because it's unfair to them.

Listening to Zorn's presser...

Moss spin during 2 min drill: "He got caught up in the big play moment, I don't think we lost any time because of it."

Fake FG: "Hunter got overwhelmed". 1 guy to block 3. Put this one on his resume...we can't block 1 guy with 3, let alone vice versa. He said it “worked like a dream in practice”.

Calling Plays: Zorn stated that there wasn't a whole lot of differences between the last couple weeks...B.S. This game wrecked of Zorn's meddling. I'd guess it was more 50/50 this week.

Oh and F Brandon Jacobs, he’s a liar and a wuss.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 12:59 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

For all those saying BA doesn't know how to judge talent, there are no GM's that are great at this thats why they all have scouts.

Bill Polian built a great team in Indy do you think he scouted, and watched hundreds of hours of film on those guys not a chance.

No GM picks players by himself, they all have scouts and most coaches in the league are involved as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 22, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should say Shockey was traded for a 2nd and 5th rounder coming off a broken leg.

...and Fred Davis is also twice the TE that Kevin Boss is.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

But their is ample evidence that a good coach could turn it into a huge asset.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 12:58 PM

Yeah you can run double TE screens in the same play, fake to Cooley, throw it to Davis. Or you could run the TE end around with the other TE as the lead blocker..no one will expect that.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is great trade bait, that is why people are talking about trading him.

The situation is really similar to the Shockey situation in NY. He got hurt, Boss stepped in, management realized Boss could get it done. Shockey becomes trade bait.

Posted by: keithrjackson | December 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Might as well embrace the horror and let them play out this string."

Or end this nightmare already and start holding the players and coaching staff accountable for the lack of organization, preparation, discipline, execution, dedication and commitment.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I just can't wait till we get a coach who knows how to use a guy like Davis.....or a guy like Kelly.......or a guy like Mitchell.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"NO ONE is trading a 2/3 pick for cooley off a broken leg. Think people."

New Orleans traded a 2nd round pick for Jeremy Shockey coming off a broken leg. And Cooley is twice the player Shockey is.

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2009 1:04 PM |

Idiot homer. Don't even know if Cooley is as good as Shockey.

Posted by: TLoad | December 22, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, in a span of 11 hours Stanley (The Tool) Zorn has removed a) any doubt he will be fired, and b) any "oh he got a raw deal" apologist commentary.

Its laughable. I'm glad its almost over.

I hope he has the decency to continue operating as he always has for these last two games. We are now in the 6th place in the draft race, with a chance of actually getting as high as second should the Chiefs, Lions, and Bucs win out.

I want to beat Dallas, as always. I don't view it as likely at this juncture. Gotta make lemonade some how, and getting to 4 or 5 is the best i can come up with. Its a very sour batch.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

You know say what you want about Jason Campbell, I am shocked that he has taken this many hits and does not have a concussion by now.

Posted by: Predator48 | December 22, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

TWISI is that sarcasm.....b/c I guess the colts were idiots when they utilized both Dallas Clark and first Marcus Pollard then Ben Utecht by lining Clark up as third WR in the slot.

Or GB were stupid when they won a superbowl with jimmy johnson and chumura....

psp23, yeah the Saints/Giants trade actually serves as a cautionary tale for other teams NOT doing it....man I wish you were in the Hamster Fantasy league so I could have shut you up like I did 4th and zscest...

whateves...sure trade him...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

IF DAN SNYDER HAD ANY SELF-RESPECT OR REGARD FOR THE FANS OF THE WASHINGTON FOOTBALL FRANCHISE, ...

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 12:51 PM

whoa, gonna have to slow you down and direct you to the offramp right there partner ...

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I mean Keith Jackson in GB...not jimmy johnson...my bad

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

trading cooley=vcerrato move....just sayin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Fake FG: "Hunter got overwhelmed". 1 guy to block 3. Put this one on his resume...we can't block 1 guy with 3, let alone vice versa. He said it “worked like a dream in practice”.


I hope to look back at some future point in the glow of a glorious Redskins victory over the ginas and recall this fitting epitaph of the failure that was Stanley Zorn's Redskins coaching experiment.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, in a span of 11 hours Stanley (The Tool) Zorn has removed a) any doubt he will be fired, and b) any "oh he got a raw deal" apologist commentary.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:11 PM |

Drill Bit Zorn.

Posted by: TLoad | December 22, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Idiot homer. Don't even know if Cooley is as good as Shockey.

Posted by: TLoad | December 22, 2009 1:10 PM
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Cooley has yet to have a quality offensive situation to work in. Still think you trade him and keep Davis, though.

Posted by: keithrjackson | December 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see F.Davis hurdle that defender last night? Sweet play, lets try and keep it positive guys

Posted by: tracklegend | December 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

campbell's qb rating 57.4 - sanchez' 49.7 = cutler's 7.7

cutler's was 7.9

just when the O line started to look serviceable, they looked HORRIBLE. Bruce Allen has got to be thinking O LINE or Free Safety.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope to look back at some future point in the glow of a glorious Redskins victory over the ginas and recall this fitting epitaph of the failure that was Stanley Zorn's Redskins coaching experiment.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:15 PM |

You and Zorn are both drill bits. It was designed failure, Z's way of extending his middle finger in the direction of S, C and mebbe even A.

Posted by: TLoad | December 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

F Positive Thinking...its a crutch for feeble minds....

This book is on my holiday book and could easily have a chapeter on idiot skins fans:

"Bright-sided
How the Relentless Promotion of Positive
Thinking Has Undermined America"

- A sharp-witted knockdown of America’s love affair with positive thinking and an urgent call for a new commitment to realism

http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/brightsided.htm

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

CL it was sarcasm on my part. I had a Zorno moment. However, I don't recall Shanhan using a lot of 2 TE sets (I could be wrong). If that's the case, the he may very well want to part with Cooley.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"psp23, yeah the Saints/Giants trade actually serves as a cautionary tale for other teams NOT doing it."

I'm guessing the Saints are fairly happy with the makeup of their roster at the moment, including Shockey, but that's just me.

I have no problem with keeping Cooley, and I have no problem with trading Cooley. It really depends on what you would get in return.

I just find it funny that fans think a young, perennial pro-bowl TE capable of 90 receptions and double digit TDs in a season suddenly has no value to other teams because of a simple fractured leg.

But whateves, Cooley couldn't fetch a 3rd rounder in this league...

Posted by: psps23 | December 22, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

from the times:

Redskins 360
Zorn just told Ryan O'Halloran that Andre Carter will play with a torn biceps.

Carter tore the biceps late in Monday night's 45-12 devastation by the New York Giants. Carter will tape it up and play with the injury, following the example of fellow defensive end Phillip Daniels, who has played with it most of the season.

Carter has never missed a game during his four seasons in Washington.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

anyone hear gruden say , Campbell has the skill set to be a winner in this league he needs a winning environment

and, no QB would succeed when you change your system every 1 or 2 years.

that;s what I've been saying for Campbell's whole career, thank you Gruden for saying it with credibility because I don't have any

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If i'm Dan Snyder i call a presser and fire Jim Zorn today that's what is called for,although this is Snyder's fault for hiring him in the first place(like the Spurrier hire)last night was the final straw, the stupidity that has been displayed over the past two years is mind numbing.Vinny Cerrato,Jim Zorn, all need to go away, well Vinny's already gone but Zorn needs to go today don't wait another day name Greg Blache interim coach for these last two games(it can't get any worse) and move on.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 22, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

they should keep everyone who is worth a dam n.

Cooley = worth a dam n = keep him

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I am sure if you asked the Saints which they would rather have the oft injured malcontent Shockey and his 3 good game stretch in 2 seasons or the two draft picks back they'd be quick to say "picks please"

but I hate arguing with you, so of course...you are right.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah you can run double TE screens in the same play, fake to Cooley, throw it to Davis. Or you could run the TE end around with the other TE as the lead blocker..no one will expect that.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

From Shotgun Twin TE single back set.

Send both TEs to the sideline on quick outs.

Send Moss and Thomas on fly routes.

Hit speedy running back on shallow cross. This extends the field vertically and horizontally then gives the ball to the running back in space. This would be a great play for a CJ Spiller type running back.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

What happen if FD goes down to injury?? Trade CC huh!?

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

and this bizarre stuff from the times as well:


Cornerback DeAngelo Hall thinks new general manager Bruce Allen should blow up the roster that produced Monday's 45-12 debacle of a defeat.

"The last couple of games are an audition," Hall said. "Bruce Allen pretty much got a head start on evaluating talent. And if he looks at what he saw today, he’ll scrap this whole thing."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

the FIRST guy said it best.... WHO CARES!!!

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I like Cooley, but Cooley for a second or even a 3rd rounder would be fine by me...I understand the other logic, but I think we have bigger holes than Two TE sets.
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what are the chances that you will fill those holes with a QUALITY second or third rounder? what are the chances that that QUALITY draft pick never play and get cut by the next draft? how long will it take for that 2nd or 3rd rounder to get ready for NFL? who has that much patience around here?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

taylor, thats the part that no-one thinks about. Trade Cooley, and Davis gets hurt, so then you have Yoder, and the TE spot is suddenly a weakness, but, thats using the logic side of my brain, so I'll stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

who cares...whateves is right...I'm out

Posted by: chrislarry | December 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall thinks new general manager Bruce Allen should blow up the roster that produced Monday's 45-12 debacle of a defeat.

"The last couple of games are an audition," Hall said. "Bruce Allen pretty much got a head start on evaluating talent. And if he looks at what he saw today, he’ll scrap this whole thing."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Funny how Hall is one of the underachievers on this team. Allen needs to evaluate players heart and grit at least as much as talent.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

2010 Draft

1st: LT
2nd: RT
4th: OG
5th: C
7th: OG

Kidding of course, but not completely..

I'd also like to get rid of everyone from the "U" not named Rocky.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall thinks new general manager Bruce Allen should blow up the roster that produced Monday's 45-12 debacle of a defeat.

"The last couple of games are an audition," Hall said. "Bruce Allen pretty much got a head start on evaluating talent. And if he looks at what he saw today, he’ll scrap this whole thing."


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, blow up Hall first 4 letting Jacobs punk him!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If I was GM....

Look, it's not as bad as it looked last night... Anytime you get a team with nothing to play for & a team with everything to play for... it can get ugly... not to mention, with the current O-Line, the Giants may be the worst matchup for the 'Skins & Eli just kills Greg Blache Defense.

With that said... this is what I would do if I were Allen/Shanahan:

1. Tender Campbell & unless someone is willing to offer a 1st or high 2nd rounder... keep him... whether you like him or not, there are bigger needs on this team & unless you can get an extra pick... your not drafting QB in first round.

2. As someone on this blog has stated, search free agency for lineman that have either been coached by Alex Gibbs (line coach who was with Denver when Terrell Davis was tearing it up) or has experience in Shanahan/Kubiak's zone blocking schemes.

3. Find the best Free Safety available via free agency (shoulda never let Ryan Clark go)... good safeties can be found & their usually not too pricey... Laron Landry shouldn't have to cover anyone one on one unless it is the TE... he needs to be strong safety... If there is no cap, cutting him might be an option... not worth the pay, but is has he been given the opportunity to succeed?

4. Find a good cover OLB to take Orakpo's place... you can't allow him to get isolated like he did last night. Orakpo is DE or 5th rusher & shouldn't be in coverage unless it's underneath for a zone blitz.

5. Draft... we have picks 1,2,4,5,& 7... #3 is Jeremy Jarmon & #6 went to Miami for Taylor... IF we have solidified our tackles on the O-Line via FA then I would say go RB, OL, OL, then take best available with rest. If not, then we got to go OL, OL with our first 2 picks. Then maybe draft RB with our 4th pick... we need a playmaker with speed. IF we trade Campbell for say a high 2nd rounder, then you may have the luxury to go QB, OL, OL, RB.

If they can solidify the O-line, get the defensive players in their natural positions & add a RB... I'm telling you we could be the bounce back team in 2010. At least most of our issues are on offense which will make it easier for Shanahan to address... he is a much better offensive talent evaluator than defensive.

Posted by: tony325 | December 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

gruden was just being polite in his comments concerning Campbell.
Campbell clearly does not have the skill set to be anything more than a backup. he is Tony Banks without the decent long ball ability. Campbell is slow to go though his progressions, he locks onto his primary receiver, and he woefully inaccurate. you cannot win with that, no matter what the talent level is around him.
It is time to move on. Tender Campbell so that we get something in return for him.
Use the draft to fix the offensive line and draft a QB. Take a veteran QB in March to hold the fort for a year (Rosenfels ? Batch ??) while the rookie learns, and purge the roster of aging players and their bloated salaries.

Posted by: shally | December 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok...if you keep Cooley, then who's the primary TE? You can't keep Davis on the bench after the season he's had. That 2 TE set stuff is crap. You can't run it all the time.

Trade Cooley!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 22, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Might as well embrace the horror and let them play out this string."

Or end this nightmare already and start holding the players and coaching staff accountable for the lack of organization, preparation, discipline, execution, dedication and commitment.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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Just two weeks, Vic. Accountability will come into play when the season ends in two weeks. Change will happen. Change with extreme prejudice is unneccesary.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

TLoad, you have not been paying attention. Extending the middle finger is not in Stanley's make up.

He would be a better coach if it were. He takes an azz beating laying down, and then speaks of how he and the team were "shell shocked" and how "it worked like a dream in practice".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn:
> worked like a dream in practice

Practice? Practice? Not a game, not a game, not a game. I mean, we're talking about practice... How silly is that?

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

rick, that sounds like something Jim Zorn would do....I mean, didn't they do the same thing with Portis?? The ground portis to a nub, while 4 other rb's did nothing the first 8 games of the year...

Instead of Cooley getting 90 catch's, why not have Cooley with 50, and Davis with 40, and they're both well rested.


A good coach finds ways to use both guys....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

taylor, thats the part that no-one thinks about. Trade Cooley, and Davis gets hurt, so then you have Yoder, and the TE spot is suddenly a weakness, but, thats using the logic side of my brain, so I'll stop....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

..lol Right! I guess we can't be strong in one position.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

agree with tony's plan

by the way, ryan clark is scheduled to be a free agent, so there is one possibility for safety.. but there will be others because it IS an undervalued position. look what Sharper has brought to the Saints ??

Posted by: shally | December 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse


where were Orakpo and Cater last night? The Giants O-line has at least two starters out ans still the skins d-line couldn't get any pressure

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 22, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

tony...

Cutting Laron Landry would be INSANE! He could get you a 2nd or 3rd rounder but why would you trade him. He's regressed, but I wouldn't cut off my nose to spite my face.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

where were Orakpo and Cater last night?

six flags

Posted by: connskins | December 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

3. Find the best Free Safety available via free agency (shoulda never let Ryan Clark go)... good safeties can be found & their usually not too pricey... Laron Landry shouldn't have to cover anyone one on one unless it is the TE... he needs to be strong safety... If there is no cap, cutting him might be an option... not worth the pay, but is has he been given the opportunity to succeed?

Posted by: tony325 | December 22, 2009 1:32 PM

Maybe move Rogers to free safety? Smoot has played free safety some this year. Springs did it last year. Its been happening around the league (corner to safety) with some sucesses here and there.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall thinks new general manager Bruce Allen should blow up the roster that produced Monday's 45-12 debacle of a defeat.

"The last couple of games are an audition," Hall said. "Bruce Allen pretty much got a head start on evaluating talent. And if he looks at what he saw today, he’ll scrap this whole thing."

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 1:25 PM

Some guys are dogging it....LL. Some guys aren't talented enough...Heyer, BMW, Rabbach, Levi Jones. D Hall is correct, there will be some major changes this off season.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

1965, not why we lost, but the ginas line was allowed to hold all game long.

To be fair, the ginas coaching staff did a great job of game planning to cover up their weakness, namely the depleted Oline. Misdirection, screens, etc.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"I feel pretty good about our staff," he said, "and I feel like we're together."

That's why you're gonna be fired dumba$$.

Why even play Carter? Let the guy rest his arm and come back strong next year. Makes ZERO sense at this point.

"Tender Campbell & unless someone is willing to offer a 1st or high 2nd rounder..."

Everyone on here who wants to keep Campbell is looney toons....someone has top break the news to you. They aren't keeping Campbell and I am willing to bet anyone on here that they take a QB with that first pick.

We're talking about Shanahan, it starts with QB in his offense. The Redksins have the PERFECT back up in Todd Collins. Last night he showed he could do what Jason Campbell cannot do...complete a deep pass with guys in his face. And Zorn let him come back in and how does he reward that? An interception for a TD for the Giants.

Campbell sucks. For all of you who love this guy, I cannot wait until he's gone.

Just two more weeks and the healing begins. No more idiot special teams plays, no more RB option passes, no more crappy offense, no more crappy defense.

No more excuses.

Campbell sucks, get over it people. He's a VERY large reason why the Redskins are so bad this year.

He sucks, that's why.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 22, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3BorxSYgyo

Can anyone figure out what the trick play to end the half was supposed to be?

Granted Hunter had no protection, so he had to throw it right away... but there were absolutely no Redskins near where he threw the ball...

Of the six or so guys who split out left, only two of them even moved. The others acted like they didn't know the ball was snapped...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 22, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

move Rogers to safety ?

a safety has to be able to catch the ball and make interceptions. rogers has proved he cant.

plus, rogers wants to stay a corner because the pay scale is far better at that position.
tender him, and trade him...

Posted by: shally | December 22, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Carter says he will play against Dallas, despite a torn bicep.

Meanwhile AH92 ruled himself out for the next two games claiming "diaper rash."

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is an idoit.

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Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

What was that old fairytale? Rumpled-stink-skins?
I get so tired of guys doing the idiot dance when they make a play, like it's all about them. But maybe it is about them, because they certainly are not playing like a team.
Lets fire them all and start over.

Posted by: jackalmac | December 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Todd Yoder is a serviceable backup tight end. There is no reason to keep both Davis and Cooley when we have so many other holes in the team if we can get multiple draft picks or a 2nd rounder for Cooley. I've watched Yoder play, he's good enough if Davis is hurt

Posted by: vtsquirm1 | December 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

i'm just formulating my opinion here

C - rabach (32), williams, montgomery (c/g)
G - dockery (29), rinehart
OT - heyer, jones (30), robinson, williams (t/g)
OL - fanaika (from eagles ps)

samuels, thomas retiring?
that's 12 (8active), 1 true guard, 1 proven center, aging serviceable LT,
and 6 gigantic ?'s - replace 2-6

DE - carter (30), wynn (35), daniels (36), jackson, jarmon
DT - montgomery, haynesworth (28), griffen (33), golston, alexander
that's 10, 2 guys over 35, replace 2-3

RB - cartwright (30), ganther, mason,
portis (28), alridge, betts (30)
FB - sellars (34), evans
that's 8 (4 active) replace 3-5

i'm not finished
that's 8

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I was sick of hearing and looking at Vinny. Thank God he is gone.

I am also sick and tired of Zorn. I am tired of his soft-spoken 'I know what I am doing air' which based on the record is an acknowledged joke. I am sick of his inability to manage a game within 2 minutes of the half or end of the fourth quarter.

But most of all I am sick of looking at Zorn, knowing that if I were a player I would not be afraid of him at all. He is a pussycat.

Whereas Bill Parcells or Andy Reid commands respect, Zorn only commands annoyance or even pity.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 22, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

For years now, I have felt like the Giants had intel on our snap count and play calling.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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What is there to "intel"? The Giants just wait for the snap and rush the quarterback against "paper-mache" linemen. Sometimes the D-men might trip over themselves trying to maul JC, but most of the time there is just an orderly and civilized "Conga Line" straight to the quarterback. Cha-cha-cha, Sack!

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 22, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah ... I agree Zorn needs to go, but let's remember that he got the job because no one else wanted it. What self-respecting coach was gonna take the Redskins' job after Snyder and Cerrato took it upon themselves to hire an offensive coordinator FIRST?

Remember that Zorn was a position coach, not even a coordinator, before he became the 'Skins head coach by default. Why is anyone surprised that he's over his head? Cerrato and Snyder got what they paid for.

The thing that galls me more than anything though is Zorn's complete disregard for his own dignity. Sure he'll never be a head coach in the NFL again, but the guy's made every effort to hold the team together in the midst of unprecedented injury and front office incompetence. If it were me and I found out Snyder was interviewing people on my staff for my job, I'd quit tomorrow and throw that useless weasal of an owner to the media hounds.

As long as Zorn puts up with it, he's compliant in the saddest folly I've seen in Redskins nation in 40 years.

Posted by: semicolonpowell1 | December 22, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

For those ripping JC on this blog, have you watched the games this year? Not only has he been sacked 40+ times, he's been hit countless others while hanging in the pocket trying to make throws. As seen in the Philly, New Orleans, and Oakland games, he's pretty accurate when given decent protection. Any QB would be ordinary with our O-Line and no running threat in the backfield.

Even if the Skins tender him at the lowest level, he will be signed by a team like Carolina or San Francisco where he'd be an upgrade. He'd also get a multi-year deal based on what is available in the FA market for QB's. If Skins fans want to see Colt McCoy or Jimmy Claussen operating behind this line, good luck.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 22, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

JZ knew that this is his last year so he called the trick play at the end of 1st half. Will be more trick play like that in the next 2 games just to piss off the owner...

Posted by: davidnle | December 22, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

F-Dallas and F- Brandon Jacobs Punk MF!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 22, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

If there was any lingering doubt about whether or not Zorn should go, he totally stamped that out on Monday night with his infamous "trick" play. It was the play from hell; just the way that the players were lined up spelled disaster. And before the snap, the last person who could have blocked for the passer moved in motion away from the scene, even though he was not the planned receiver. It was the most embarrassing demonstration of coaching folly in history. I'm sure the Giants' players are still tittering about it. It spelled Zorn's Waterloo, if he had not met it already. I thought Snyder might even fire him at halftime, reminiscent of a scene many years ago with the Washington Senators. The owner, Clark Griffith came out of the stands and yanked Mickey McDermott off the mound and fired him right on the field. Zorn would have deserved it. Gray would serve as interim for the rest of the season before Shanahan was named permanently.

Posted by: scribebob | December 23, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Both Zorn and the Skins SUXXXX!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 23, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Coaches need to be cleaned out, and I mean everyone. New schemes which are taylored to the talent on the field are in order, not coaching systems where some players are at a disadvantage. That archaic thinking needs to be swept away by the hand of...............SNYDER.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 23, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

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