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Cartwright Sidelined by Groin Problem

Running back/kick returner Rock Cartwright sat out Tuesday's practice with what Coach Jim Zorn called a groin problem. Zorn said it was "absolutely necessary" that Cartwright sit out the session, and Cartwright said the problem had bothered him throughout training camp.

"I hope I'll be able to play," Cartwright said of Friday night's exhibition against New England. "I need to play. It's been bothering me the whole training camp. I just don't want to do anything worse to it."

Cartwright said that if he pushed the injury too far, it could develop into a sports hernia. He said he hoped to be able to practice Wednesday.

Since 2005, Cartwright, 29, has missed just one regular-season game. The Redskins' primary kickoff returner, Cartwright is also a key member of other special teams units. "He really hates to miss practice," Zorn said.

By Barry Svrluga  |  August 25, 2009; 3:57 PM ET
 
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I don't like the sound of this. But it will give someone else a chance to return kicks in this game...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 25, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Er, in practice... give someone else a chance to return kicks in practice... sounds like maybe Rock will play in this "game."

I still don't like the sound of this nagging injury.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 25, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Mason? Dorsey?

Your turn.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Rumor...... Mason passed Rock in the depth Chart. Ask Jason Reid to verify this.....

Get on the Mason Love Train.... All Aboard

Posted by: thebanker21 | August 25, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

cuz jaws is at the epitome of football greatness right? get real. hate on vick all u want, i bet he's better than favre this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 25, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

No because Jaws is as respected by those phillians as we respect Sonny or Doug Williams or Joey T.

I just look at it like, how would I feel if he had come here and worn no 7 as a bit of a slap in the face to a great of the past of the franchise.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Florio of PFT is reporting that the Washington Redskins will use Usain Bolt as their kickoff and punt returner during their pre-season game against New England, on August 28th"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 25, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"Soccer is probably the simplest sport to learn and play."

I'd argue differently. At the top level, I'd say it goes: basketball, baseball, soccer, then hockey. Football can range from the most difficult (QB) to relatively simple (Special Teamers) depending on which position you're learning.

Foot-eye coordination is indescribably more difficult than hand-eye coordination, on any level. Particularly in football and basketball, there are numerous stories of athletes starting to play football around high school (sometimes very late in high school) and end up playing at an extremely high level professionally. I challenge anyone to say the same about a soccer athlete. I've been around and studied the game and its athletes my entire life, and I can't name a single story reflecting as such. It takes an inordinate amount of time to master the technique needed to play, and you have to begin at a very, very young age. The only possible position that this may work with is as a goalkeeper. No other position on the field can you simply stick an athlete, train for a year (or even a few) and expect him to play at a professional level.

Posted by: psps23 | August 25, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Troublemaker :)

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Cartwright Sidelined by Groin Problem


Groin problem, I guess the short jokes never end.

We get is already he is short

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 25, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh lord, psps, not another soccer validiating post. I'd take how Jason Campbell is on the cusp of Brady/P.Manning status, or how Reggie Bush is better than Barry Sanders.

Death, taxes, and a litigious psps23

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the most difficult part of soccer is cutting up all the oranges and remembering to bring the juice boxes. For me at least.

Posted by: mack1 | August 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

PSP,
See I disagree completly, I go Soccer, Basketball, Baseball, Football,Hockey. Olympic sports are incredibly complex to master so thats a whole 'nother bag of chips.

And I do it for a few simple reasons.

I'm what you would call athletically challenged, outside of Archery and dodge ball I have never been anything but average at best. Not only was I talented enough to play soccer regularly growing up and be above average, I helped coach my little brothers team to an undefeated season, and we had kids on that team who would be "special".

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If I had to pick the most difficult skill to master, it would be hitting in baseball or playing golf. Not the best athletes, by any means, but maybe the most skilled.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 25, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Samson,
I would put skating and hitting a hockey puck up there.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Golf is the hardest sport to learn.

I have seen it crush many a good natural athlete who excelled in sports like B-Ball and Fooball and tried to 'pick it up".

T'is a humbling sport indeed.

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else feel bad for Ron Jaworski that Mike Vick is in fact wearing jersey no 7.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I dont feel bad, why would I Jaws was an Eagle..Who cares if an Eagle feelings are hurt

Posted by: ocskins | August 25, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

cuz jaws is at the epitome of football greatness right? get real. hate on vick all u want, i bet he's better than favre this year.

Posted by: lilhollywood10


Why Favre, why not Campbell or Russell?

j/k, sort of... but really kind of serious.

Hard to be "better than favre this year" when Favre will be under center most of the snaps, barring injury, while Vick will be used in some sort of gimmick crap, barring injury.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is the easiest sport to learn.
Kick. The. Ball.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 25, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't even define golf a sport. I know most people don't agree with my definition but most people suck so HA. Golf isn't a sport because (at least for me) someone has to be able to obstruct you from you doing your job. I.e. blocking a shot, tackling, stealing the ball, serving to a spot that you can't reach.. blal blal blal

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, legit, not "PFT stuff"...:

Center Casey Rabach has joined quarterback Jason Campbell, cornerback Carlos Rogers, linebacker Rocky McIntosh and defensive end Phillip Daniels as Washington's only starters heading towards unrestricted free agency in 2010. Rabach's contract, which was due to run through 2010, voided because he met the playing time quota. Offensive tackle Stephon Heyer will be a restricted free agent after the season.

thoughts.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 25, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree on golf. It goes against every other sport concept of speed, strenght, power, etc. Golf is about skill and patience. you can hit the ball just as far by proper technique as you can by just trying to blast it.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | August 25, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

having said that golf isn't a sport, i do believe it is very hard to master. Just like theoretical physics.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd say:

Nascar
Baseball
Softball
Fishing

Hardest sports....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 25, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I find that I can hit a baseball, as long as it's a fastball, or even a change up. The curve? That's a different story.

And that's why I will never make it even on a semi-pro baseball team. You gotta be able to hit the curve.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it the men who do the hobby horse or rings are probably are the best athletes. Or the ribbon dancers.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

NFeKPo so a sport is only when you're competing against someone directly? That means a lot of so called sorts aren't sports.

Posted by: mack1 | August 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

anyone disagree that basketball has the best athletes?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Golf goes into the Bowling/Billards/Pool 'Sports' Category.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Rock is critical to special teams(no sh#t sherlock!!) i would sit him until the season opener,no need to take chances after all these games don't count, be smart Danny the way the special teams squad has looked this preseason you'll need the "Rock" this year.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 25, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

anyone disagree that basketball has the best athletes?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I do, some of them are basketball players, some are football, some hockey.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I went to school with a guy who later became a celebrated golfer. He played a bunch of other sports well but not exceptionally. But when it came to golf, his skills far exceeded others. When I read over the years about the difficulty great athletes from basketball and football had when they went to learn golf, I remembered the guy from high school,

Posted by: Samson151 | August 25, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"From the Times, legit, not "PFT stuff"...:

Center Casey Rabach has joined quarterback Jason Campbell, cornerback Carlos Rogers, linebacker Rocky McIntosh and defensive end Phillip Daniels as Washington's only starters heading towards unrestricted free agency in 2010. Rabach's contract, which was due to run through 2010, voided because he met the playing time quota. Offensive tackle Stephon Heyer will be a restricted free agent after the season.

thoughts.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1"


A little too into the actual play of the game to get into these front office machinations, but glad you're there..Carlos is still a solid starter, as is Rabach..I hope Rocky stays intact..Need Heyer, fer sure..Daniels, hope he's healed..Jury is still out on Jason, don't ya think??

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Rumor...... Mason passed Rock in the depth Chart. Ask Jason Reid to verify this.....

Get on the Mason Love Train.... All Aboard

Posted by: thebanker21 | August 25, 2009 4:09 PM

If the third string RB sees any sigbnificant PT during the season, the season is all but lost anyway. Rock's value to this team is on Special Teams, which have already taken a hit by losing K. Campbell and Thrash, A nobody named Logan had 200 plus return yards Saturday.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

There is only 1 way to solve all this. We need to put together a team of players from the big 5 sports of the best athletes and we have them all compete in a single round robin tournament in all 5 sports and see who wins.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"anyone disagree that basketball has the best athletes?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Boxers are pretty F'in tough..They used to say motocross and soccer players , in that order..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

i agree with Yoder... basketball does have the highest % of "best" athletes. while you do get your occasional best athlete in other sports. Like Chad Ocho, Ovie, Drogba, ...

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I do, some of them are basketball players, some are football, some hockey.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:36 PM

And some do women's beach volleyball. Except, not if they have boobs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 25, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Nah, just watch football, and be gone with the others.

And if you want to play one, bowling is the only reasonable option.

Glad to see crazy FJZ/HMS has at least temporarily vanished.

Posted by: cool_calm_and_collected | August 25, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Top notch boxers are the best trained athletes.

Posted by: mack1 | August 25, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"I do, some of them are basketball players, some are football, some hockey."

I dunno man...I'd be willing to say that professional basketball players (minus the 7 foot statues) are the most athletic people in the world.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The is no way CCAC is a skins fan. the name is evidence enough.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Any "sport" that is performed without the contestants directly competeing against each other, and involves judges to score your performance is not a sport.

Good bye ice skating/dancing, gymnastics, diving, free-style moguls, etc. It cannot be subjective, it must be measurable (speed, points scored, distance, whatever)

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:18 PM"

But you just made my point. It doesn't take a great athlete to play the sport growing up. The technical aspect largely outweighs the physical aspect. And as such, you can't simply throw a great athlete in there late in life, train him for a few years, and think that he can play at a professional level. Why? Because a vast majority of the time, the determining factor isn't athleticism, it's technique. And (as soccer coaches have been known to say) 90% of your technique is learned by the time you're 14 (probably an arbitrary number, but the point remains). If you're setting up shop at age 15, 16, or 17, you're facing near insurmountable odds. You will never develop to that level.

Posted by: psps23 | August 25, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I dunno man...I'd be willing to say that professional basketball players (minus the 7 foot statues) are the most athletic people in the world.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Again it depends on what defines an athlete.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
Don't forget Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd argue differently. At the top level, I'd say it goes: basketball, baseball, soccer, then hockey. Football can range from the most difficult (QB) to relatively simple (Special Teamers) depending on which position you're learning.

Foot-eye coordination is indescribably more difficult than hand-eye coordination, on any level....

psps23


Every weekend millions of 5 year old kids do just what multi-millionaire Soccer stars do for a living. Run around a lot and kick a ball to the other team.

You act like Hand-eye and hand-foot are separate entities. But in football, unlike futbol, you have to use your entire body, which get beat on every 30 seconds. And if you leave the field/pitch on a stretcher every time an opponent breaths on you, you get cut, not congratulated for your gamesmanship.

I think Soccer is a great sport--for Euros, Sud Americanos, hooligans and parents of kids they want exhausted by noon on Saturday.

Any idiot can kick a soccer ball, eye-foot coordinated or not. Try hitting a golf ball 300 yards--using your entire body. Try hitting a three-pointer, using your entire body. Try hitting a baseball, using your entire body.

Heck even Ping-pong is more complex than kicking a soccer ball.

I'll give you conditioning. But then so are bozos who do Tri-athelons, too.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Cork, you have obviously never played competitive soccer. You know not of what you speak.

Sorry.

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

do, some of them are basketball players, some are football, some hockey.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 25, 2009 4:36 PM

And some do women's beach volleyball. Except, not if they have boobs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

That's where women's beach volleyball differs from this blog. We have plenty of boobs.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Athlete: Someone who has a high degree of competency in a number of physical categories to include but not limited to: sprinting, long distance running, "dead" jump, running jump, hand-eye coordination, foot-eye coordination, ability to place (kick, throw, head, hit with an object) a ball where desired, lift heavy objects, and the ability to take physical punishment.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Cork, you have obviously never played competitive soccer. You know not of what you speak.

Sorry.

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 4:56 PM

I have too. For six years I was Chief Hooligan Wrangler for Manchester United.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hard to be "better than favre this year" when Favre will be under center most of the snaps, barring injury, while Vick will be used in some sort of gimmick crap, barring injury.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

more of a shot at brett than luv for vick. i think mike'll be str8 even if he wears jaws cursed number. brett will struggle and look bad even with all those weapons.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 25, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I find that I can hit a baseball, as long as it's a fastball, or even a change up. The curve? That's a different story.

And that's why I will never make it even on a semi-pro baseball team. You gotta be able to hit the curve.

Posted by: RedDMV | August 25, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse
Pedro Cerrano, is that you?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 25, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Again it depends on what defines an athlete."

Well I think it's a combination of coordination, body control, speed, balance and agility. All while doing things people were built to do: run and jump. BUT people can see it differently.

Basketball definitely showcases athleticism to the fullest extent. The best athletes in football are usually thought of as being WR's, because of the running and jumping they do, on top of the hand-eye coordination they need.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Six years on the Goon Squad, huh?

Well, I guess that counts for something...

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

TheCork. If you call playing soccer just running and kicking a ball then you can call baseball just throwing and catching and football just running and catching. If you think it is so easy why don't you go make multi-millions playing soccer.

Next time you are on a patch of grass trying judging a soccer ball (kicking the ball up without letting it hit the ground). The simplest of activities. Or try kicking a ball from 20 yards out and placing the ball within a foot of the desired target with pace so that a keeper wouldn't be able to stop it.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse


I have too. For six years I was Chief Hooligan Wrangler for Manchester United.

Posted by: TheCork |

Edvar--

Almost forgot. Before that I was assistant stretcherman. I was very versatile, able to handle front or back of the stretcher without dropping the faker on top of it.

I also served in an unpaid capacity as Chief Psychic, advising players on which way the goalie was likely to guess during OT shots.

So take that. And if you want to tell me I dont' know what I'm talking about, get in line, Pal.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Cork , there are levels and levels to soccer..The highest levels are heavy duty athleticism, though I think pro basketball has caught up to them, very little fat on them bones..Its all apples and oranges, Russian weightlifters have huge beerbellies, Billy Kilmer's beer belly (I can relate)..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Cork , there are levels and levels to soccer..The highest levels are heavy duty athleticism, though I think pro basketball has caught up to them, very little fat on them bones..Its all apples and oranges, Russian weightlifters have huge beerbellies, Billy Kilmer's beer belly (I can relate)..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm yanking chains. If the soccer supremicists don't have a sense of humor about it...it's no skin off my nose. I was once carted off the pitch for skin off my nose, incidentally.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, Cork has returned for the soccer debate. Always entertaining.

If I felt inclined to do so, I could sacrifice my body with the best of them. If I was lucky enough to be physically gifted with a 260 lb body, heck I'd even enjoy it. But it doesn't take the precision of a sniper to get the technique down.

Baseball, if it ever took less than 5 minutes per pitch, could be a mildly entertaining sport. I'll give it that hitting a baseball is difficult, but 97% of the game is spent building sandcastles in the infield or refining your technique on opening sunflower seeds.

Golf? Yea, it's a sport. About as much as Billiards. And I do enjoy both, to be sure.

3-pointers? Child's play. I rain 3's like I do balls-backs in beer pong. Muscle memory's a simple concept.

Try replicating this strike, and see how many five-year olds can do exactly that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl0LHM-33Io

Posted by: psps23 | August 25, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

you get the best athletes bball, golf, football,tennis,soccer and baseball and have them compete. while each player would most likely dominate the field in their own sport, you gota wonder if Tiger would even be close against LBJ in BBall, C. Ronaldo in soccer, Tha Fed in Tennis, or even hit a pitch from Randy Johnson.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 25, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Cork. What is an OT shot? Do you mean a PK shot. I know you don't mean overtime shot because after regulation time you have extra time (ET) and then penalties but no overtime.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Dorsey and Mason should be given a shot on ST .... They will do well!!

Posted by: jiza32 | August 25, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Jolly good, Cork..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

soccer is a sport? since when?

football, hockey, baseball, basketball, tennis, golf, volleyball = sport

soccer, ice skating, track & field, archery, speed skating, swimming = non-sport

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

TheCork..If you think it is so easy why don't you go make multi-millions playing soccer.

NFekPo

Because then I'd have to give up my career as a hand model. There are only so many hours of the day and I spend most of mine buffing my nails and hydrating my problem skin.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd say Sugar Ray Palmer Park was one of the best athletes in his prime..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

sport = multi-dimensional skills

non-sport = uni-dimensional skills

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Cork. What is an OT shot? Do you mean a PK shot. I know you don't mean overtime shot because after regulation time you have extra time (ET) and then penalties but no overtime.

Posted by: NFeKPo |

So I screwed up the lingo. Sue me. I watch about five soccer matches a year.

It's an idiotic system. I saw my kids alma mater UCSB lose the NCAA championship after regulation time, injury time, overtime and Miller time because the match was decided by guesswork.

And I'd wasted several hours and I thought what a waste of time for those kids, who busted their hump only to have it decided by a goalie running left, not right and blocking a kick. It's not decided by skill, but by psychic ability.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

now I know where I messed up

$260M winning powerball person only bought $2 worth of tickets...

I bought $3, darn I was so close to winning

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Next time you are on a patch of grass trying judging a soccer ball (kicking the ball up without letting it hit the ground). The simplest of activities. Or try kicking a ball from 20 yards out and placing the ball within a foot of the desired target with pace so that a keeper wouldn't be able to stop it.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:03 PM

Why would he or anyone want to do that when they could just play football or basketball or anything else?

Posted by: mack1 | August 25, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I saw my kids alma mater UCSB lose the NCAA championship after regulation time, injury time, overtime and Miller time because the match was decided by guesswork.

And I'd wasted several hours and I thought what a waste of time for those kids, who busted their hump only to have it decided by a goalie running left, not right and blocking a kick. It's not decided by skill, but by psychic ability.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:18 PM

Sore loser. If your son's team had won, you would have claimed it was decided by skill, not psychic ability.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 25, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Why would he or anyone want to do that when they could just play football or basketball or anything else?

Posted by: mack1

----

Some people like a challenge.

Posted by: psps23 | August 25, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Next time you are on a patch of grass try judging a soccer ball (kicking the ball up without letting it hit the ground). The simplest of activities. Or try kicking a ball from 20 yards out and placing the ball within a foot of the desired target with pace so that a keeper wouldn't be able to stop it.

Posted by: NFeKPo

LAST soccer response today. I promise.

You ever see that fat alcoholic W.C. Fields juggle? He put your kicker's exercise to shame after downing his daily fifth of gin.

As for kicking the ball within a foot of a target. That happens, what, once, twice in 90 minutes? Meanwhile Peyton Manning can put a football on a sprinting receiver's fingertips 20-30 times a game. PUH-lease.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Next time you are on a patch of grass trying judging a soccer ball (kicking the ball up without letting it hit the ground). The simplest of activities. Or try kicking a ball from 20 yards out and placing the ball within a foot of the desired target with pace so that a keeper wouldn't be able to stop it.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:03 PM

Why would he or anyone want to do that when they could just play football or basketball or anything else?

Posted by: mack1

Because you can't play basketball on a patch of grass

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile Peyton Manning can put a football on a sprinting receiver's fingertips 20-30 times a game. PUH-lease."

...while the receiver strains his creative mind-muscles running a scripted pattern given to him by his offensive coordinator -- and even then has trouble getting it right.

Posted by: psps23 | August 25, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

As for kicking the ball within a foot of a target. That happens, what, once, twice in 90 minutes? Meanwhile Peyton Manning can put a football on a sprinting receiver's fingertips 20-30 times a game. PUH-lease.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That simply proves the point that soccer is harder..thanks

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

As for kicking the ball within a foot of a target. That happens, what, once, twice in 90 minutes? Meanwhile Peyton Manning can put a football on a sprinting receiver's fingertips 20-30 times a game. PUH-lease.

Posted by: TheCork | August 25, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

That simply proves the point that soccer is harder..thanks

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:34 PM

I think what he meant was even though they attempt to kick the ball on target 20-30 times a game they only accomplish it 2-3 times. Having said that, you sure do have to run all damn day in soccer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

That simply proves the point that soccer is harder..thanks

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:34 PM

Or that it's boring.

Posted by: mack1 | August 25, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The alleged downside of Marko Mitchell is that he doesn't play special teams. What about blocking field goals? The guy is 6'5" so he seems like he might be able to get some lateral extension. What is the skill set necessary to try to block kicks?

Posted by: dcsween | August 25, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm stumped on Rock..He's a good special teamer, also a good tackler, but injuries, Mason and Dorsey in the wings..I thinks it'll be a holistic if he stays or goes, like if they keep Marko, do they keep Rock cuz Marko doesn't play special teams?(why can't he??) And Betts??...same...

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

don't get me wrong i love both football and futbal. But because of my love for futbal and my country's general apathy for futbal when we lose badly to the f'in mexico team and we don't care it angers me (don't know why but that's why we are called fans). Unfortunately i know without a major shift in attitude toward the sport, the US will keep getting owned by the country to our south.

Posted by: NFeKPo | August 25, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to like soccer because, uh, some, people out there in our nation don't have maps and, uh, I believe that our, uh, sports people, like such as, uh, South Africa and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and, I believe that they should, our soccer players over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., uh, or, uh, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our love of hating soccer, for our children's future...

Posted by: MsTeenSouthCarolina | August 25, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I am hoping that Rock will be back in action shortly.. until then Please dont but Devin Thomas back there to return kicks. That experiment failed last year and need not be repeated. In the preseason, I would give Keith Eloi some more tries.. he might have a good combo of strength, shake and bake and acceleration. Appropos of nothing, what has Yoder been doing this Preseason? Is he on the bubble? He is the Sellers back up so he should be indispensible.. but I have not seen enough to know if he still has it..

Posted by: iseyij | August 25, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I can remember way back in 1970 in PE class when this guy was brought in to teach us a new sport that was going to be the biggest sport in the USA in a couple of years.

Yes, it was soccer. So imagine teaching an 11 year old with 3 years of football experience how tackle, especially with attention span of an 11yo - too funny

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

or the endless game of kids standing around kicking booming shots at the goal from half way down field, because no one wanted to run around that much anymore

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"3-pointers? Child's play. I rain 3's like I do balls-backs in beer pong. Muscle memory's a simple concept."

I see your fancy kick and raise you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf4H3OR-7IE&feature=related

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

then we all found out about girls, drugs and rock n'roll and soccer was soon forgotten about...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Marco Lanky should start opposite of Moss and see what he can do with the first string

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 25, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

MTSC we *heart* you.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | August 25, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

""Meanwhile Peyton Manning can put a football on a sprinting receiver's fingertips 20-30 times a game. PUH-lease."

"...while the receiver strains his creative mind-muscles running a scripted pattern given to him by his offensive coordinator -- and even then has trouble getting it right."

Dude, Devin Thomas doesn't play for the Colts.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | August 25, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Re: Marko Mitchell
I don't care if he isn't as good at special teams as say Eloi or one of the other smaller WR's. He's 6'4", with speed, good hands, and apparently the QB's aren't afraid to throw to him in a game (unlike Thomas and Kelly last year). You make room on your team for guys like that.

Posted by: skinswest | August 25, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I think Rogers, Campbell, and McIntosh will all be restricted free agents if the uncapped year is realized...

Posted by: siris | August 25, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Marko M can play ST's? Kelly and Thomas don't seem to excel there either. Sounds to me like Marko will have more of an impact this year than those two combined last year - and he showed up in shape and seems to know the play book.

Posted by: edvar | August 25, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Best athletes... you guys forgot gymnasts... show me a professional athlete that can do those floor routines...

Posted by: oldnova | August 25, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Why I'm not a soccer fan:

Because the teams are populated with guys in outstanding condition -- I mean, c'mon, they run around for pretty much the ENTIRE game, which lasts about 4 hours, I believe -- yet who after all that will often produce a low-scoring, or even scoreless, tie.

Yee haw.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Why I'm not a soccer fan:

Because the teams are populated with guys in outstanding condition -- I mean, c'mon, they run around for pretty much the ENTIRE game, which lasts about 4 hours, I believe -- yet who after all that will often produce a low-scoring, or even scoreless, tie.

Yee haw.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, another annoying thing they have is the extra time at the end when only the ref knows just how much time there is.

That being said I do find World Cup soccer fun to watch.

Posted by: skinswest | August 25, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Golf is the hardest sport to learn.

I have seen it crush many a good natural athlete who excelled in sports like B-Ball and Fooball and tried to 'pick it up".

T'is a humbling sport indeed.

Posted by: edvar
_______________________

Golf is an activity, not a sport. Like billiards. Or Tiddly Winks.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 25, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I went to school with a guy who later became a celebrated golfer. He played a bunch of other sports well but not exceptionally. But when it came to golf, his skills far exceeded others. When I read over the years about the difficulty great athletes from basketball and football had when they went to learn golf, I remembered the guy from high school,

Posted by: Samson151 |

When I see Lefty or Fred Funk lug their clubs around all day then I'll consider them athletes. I burn more calories than those schlubs do pulling weeds in my backyard.

Posted by: elfreako | August 25, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone else? Who? MASON makes the 53 man over this.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 25, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

And I'm with edvar. MITCHELL on the 53 man as the fifth WR. By the end of the season, he will be getting more burn than THOMAS mark my words, and not because of an injury either. DEVIN is playing himself OUT OF A JOB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | August 25, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's video of CART getting hurt !!!


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

i dont think it really makes any difference if mason makes the practice squad or the 53 man roster.
If it comes down to him or marko mitchell, we've gotta keep mitchell. That dude is a stud and could make a real impact for us in the field.

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear HIRE_MARTY_S,

Please stop annoying us here at RI and get back to the kitchen. Your mothers basement is not a good place for a young, growing girl.

Sincerely,
Chuck Norris

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I think Rogers, Campbell, and McIntosh will all be restricted free agents if the uncapped year is realized...

Posted by: siris | August 25, 2009 6:03 P


True fact.
Here's the video of DANNY TALKING ABOUT IT !!


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear HIRE_MARTY_S,

Please stop annoying us here at RI and get back to the kitchen. Your mothers basement is not a good place for a young, growing girl.

Sincerely,
Chuck Norris

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:14


You do have a point. Here's video of today's practive


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is the easiest sport to learn.
Kick. The. Ball.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 25, 2009 4:27 PM

4th, then football should be even easier. How hard is it to throw and catch a ball? Guys show up not even in shape? They can't even block. I played both and soccer takes a lot more talent to play. That's why so many people can't play it when they grow up. They are out of their league and quit. They can't match up to the talent.

Posted by: TheJury | August 25, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I have finally found a "VIRUL FAMILY" wit the insider contributors. Just wanted to thank you all for allowing me a median to express my feelings. I will continue to supply great video everyday !!


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Why I'm not a soccer fan:

Because the teams are populated with guys in outstanding condition -- I mean, c'mon, they run around for pretty much the ENTIRE game, which lasts about 4 hours, I believe -- yet who after all that will often produce a low-scoring, or even scoreless, tie.

Yee haw.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, another annoying thing they have is the extra time at the end when only the ref knows just how much time there is.

That being said I do find World Cup soccer fun to watch.

Posted by: skinswest | August 25, 2009 6:30 PM

Soccer games are 90 mins long. The clock doesn't stop when the ball goes out of bounch. If you watch soccer and football on TV, soccer games are over in less than 2 hours while football lasts over 3 hours. So don't tell me the game lasts over 4 hours. If you don't like soccer then thats fine but don't talk crap if you don't know what your talking about.

Posted by: TheJury | August 25, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is the easiest sport to learn.
Kick. The. Ball.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 25, 2009 4:27 PM


You're right !


Here's video !

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Another Newsradio clip for RI viewing enjoyment...I see the tard made it back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JpwjnMFlJI&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

i dont think it really makes any difference if mason makes the practice squad or the 53 man roster.

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:11 PM

Mason has used up his practice squad eligibility. If he's not on a roster, he's out of the league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 25, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Hockey----figure skating on crack
Basketball--frolick with a ball
Football----Wrestling mixed with track and field
Soccer-----head-foot coordination
Golf-------Long-distance baseball


U need to be in best shape of all to play soccer. It is constant motion.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | August 25, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Wrestling takes a whole lot of strength and stamina...and I'm not talking that fake Friday Night TV crap.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

i dont think it really makes any difference if mason makes the practice squad or the 53 man roster.

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:11 PM

Mason has used up his practice squad eligibility. If he's not on a roster, he's out of the league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 25, 2009 7:32 PM

good point.
I was not aware of this. Thanks for pointing it out. The roster is gonna be tight this year. Everyone's gonna have to fight for their spot.

I think it may finally be time for us skins fan to make space, and give away Leigh Torrence's perpetual spot on the 53 man roster. It hurts, but we really need this kid Marko Mitchell.

Posted by: mardiros | August 25, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

As for Rock ... at about 1:30 mark ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxaQ9cKYQXo

ironically, his comments are addressed to "Corky". I think we all know a "Corky" up here

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 25, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

One of the funniest episodes of one of the funniest shows of all time. Good post, scamp!

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Did you catch the one I put up last night? I think it's the funniest of all time!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7EFfdX8Rs
The way his eyes darken is actually kinda scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

So don't tell me the game lasts over 4 hours. If you don't like soccer then thats fine but don't talk crap if you don't know what your talking about.

Posted by: TheJury | August 25, 2009 7:24 PM


Um. Yeah, I was kinda bein' facetious there with the "4 hours" thing.

That was more of a comment on the fact that the clock counts up instead of down, and will keep on running after the allotted time for the period has been reached, and then the ref will blow play dead at some seemingly arbitrary later time.

The other thing that bugs me about soccer is the offside penalty. If I can get between the last defender and the goalie and have my teammate pass me the ball, then bully for me for getting good position. But instead, it's a penalty. If they did away with this silly rule, teams might score with some actual regularity.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

It really amazes me how some people cannot detect sarcasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The way his eyes darken is actually kinda scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 8:10 PM


Another great one. I was able to quote about half of that scene, I've watched that episode so many times.

Here's another great one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMZtdLra24E

Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I was saving that one for tomorrow, I just watched it before posting the other one...war...war.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, the way Zorn puts it, poor Rock has gotten the Thai black-n-scalies...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | August 25, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

If it was left up to me I'd cut Betts and keep Mason, cut Cartwright and keep Mason, I know it's not going to happen, with Cartwright supposedly a special teams stud, and salary cap situations with both, but, bottom line, Mason's a better runner than both. I'm especially tired of Betts, I'm not impressed at all.

Posted by: 72Redskins | August 25, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Because they allow all those troll isp poseurs on here (peaceful2008, HIRE MARTY S, scampbell1975, freakzilla, etc.), one would think that the Post is sanctioning the whole smear campaign..What other conclusion can be drawn??

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Somebody at Post is provocateuring, like a Right-Wing LOSAH that would false flag attack the WTC, to get what they want..Trust is DESTROYED, and you expect us to go easy on Campbell and Zorn??? Sorry...

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

By John Keim
Warpat h Insiders
Posted Aug 25, 2009

…The Redskins say Stephon Heyer’s run blocking has improved and it has. However, that
does not yet mean he’s a good run blocker. Until he consistently opens cutback lanes and gets to linebackers, he’ll remain a suspect run blocker. There’s no doubt he deserves the starting right tackle job, but there’s work to be done on his game.

…Carlos Rogers (calf), Rock Cartwright (groin), Mike Williams (ankle) and Devin Clark (knee) did not practice today. Cartwright said he expects to play Friday. He said he’s been bothered by the groin all of camp and the coaches wanted him to take a day off so it didn’t develop into something worse.

…Chase Daniel apparently is a bit annoyed that people keep questioning his height. Again, at the combine he measured 6-feet. In person he seems shorter. That’s all we know.

…The offense he ran the other night was very plain, but the coaches loved how he threw in rhythm and made the right reads. That says a lot.

…We also know that Colt Brennan is running more sophisticated plays, such as the one
where he threw the interception. It’s not a play that Daniel could run now because it
features more crossing action.

…Notable sight: Jason Campbell walked from the practice field to the locker room with
owner Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. Not reading into it, just noting it. It still has to be weird for Campbell knowing that those are the two guys who wanted to trade him.

Posted by: TWISI | August 25, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

…Coach Jim Zorn said the competition for No. 2 receiver between Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas is even. A week or two ago it wasn’t; Thomas was in the lead based on his experience from last season and on Kelly missing some time in the offseason.

…Two guys Joe Bugel has consistently liked this summer: backup C Will Montgomery and C/G Edwin Williams. Montgomery has been a pleasant surprise and very consistent. Williams anchors well because of his strong lower body. He’s playing more at guard lately and must show he can develop there to make the final roster.

John Keim covers the Redskins for the

Posted by: TWISI | August 25, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Go away frak, you're as bad as hire marty.

Posted by: Dorf | August 25, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we have ever utilized our RB's (Portis and Betts) correctly, but taking out Portis on 3rd downs seems retarded.

How about giving Betts 1st or 2nd downs. News flash 3rd downs are important. Let's take out Moss and Cooley on 3rd down too. Let's take out Campbell on 3rd downs. On Defense take out Rodgers, Landry, and Hall...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | August 25, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

…Two guys Joe Bugel has consistently liked this summer: backup C Will Montgomery and C/G Edwin Williams. Montgomery has been a pleasant surprise and very consistent. Williams anchors well because of his strong lower body. He’s playing more at guard lately and must show he can develop there to make the final roster.

John Keim covers the Redskins for the

Posted by: TWISI | August 25, 2009 10:48 PM

It's nice to know we may have some quality backups on the interior w/Rinehart. Possibly grooming the young OLine I thought we would never have.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Soup walking to the locker room with Snyder and Cerrato... I don't like the sound of that, TWISI. Something about it kind of creeps me out.

Turns my stomach thinking how smug and superior Snyder must feel when he gets these world-class athletes to kowtow before his Napoleonic smallness.

And how he and Cerrato Wormtongue must be filling Soups' head with all kinds of doubletalk mumbojumbo... we love you, we want you to succeed, this is your year! You're our leader. This team will live and die with you, Jason. Don't listen to the evil media! You're our boy.

Ugh. I need a beer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 25, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Looks like TJ Duck-n-suck got cut again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Go away frak, you're as bad as hire marty.

Posted by: Dorf

Hire Marty S is a systematic smear campaign psyop- I'm a lifelong fan since birth..Don't mean to mix the brutal political realities in with our sports addictions, but it happens and I aint the first..karma is karma, and we all have to deal with it..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, from where I sit frak is a different thing entirely than the awful affliction to whom you compared him.

I actually like frak's work up here, to the extent I can parse his dense, rocket-speed diatribes into digestible chunks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 25, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

OK, thanks ,Nate, I could always tell you were a GENUINE fan, too..Hail Skins!!

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

OK, thanks ,Nate, I could always tell you were a GENUINE fan, too..Hail Skins!!

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 11:09 PM

So let me get this straight, in order to be a genuine Skins fan we have to like your work. I hardly think the 2 are related.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to know we may have some quality backups on the interior w/Rinehart. Possibly grooming the young OLine I thought we would never have.

Posted by: scampbell1975
_____________________________

A big second on that sentiment... from your mouth to the football god's ears.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 25, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Even a blind FO dog finds an O-lineman sometimes.

Posted by: chasgiffen | August 25, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Call me kooky, I like Frak and scamp.....

Frak, chill on the broad brush...I am pretty sure I am on the complete opposite political spectrum of Scamp/Freakzilla but they are good dues, and top notch RIers

Scamp, maybe chill on the gay stuff...

HTTR!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I tried to go a different direction this time. I actually find frak and his little friend pretty amusing when they're not beating a dead horse. As far as you cL

well...f chrislarry

I kid, of course, I always try to end with any fan of the Skins is okay with me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, HIRE MARTY S, peaceful2008, freakzilla, chasgiffen, etc.- You at the Post should be ashamed of this blatant smear and spin campaign that you allow to run roughshod over this Skins fan site-what a pack of bores (probably just one or two with isp access), what are you on Snyder's payroll?? The Post's?? Both?? I HATE Goebbels-esque psyops, which is EVERYWHERE nowadays, to hell with its loser practitioners..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Call me kooky, I like Frak and scamp.....

Frak, chill on the broad brush...I am pretty sure I am on the complete opposite political spectrum of Scamp/Freakzilla but they are good dues, and top notch RIers

Scamp, maybe chill on the gay stuff...

HTTR!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2009 11:24 PM

yOUR RIGHT HERE'S THE VIDEO !!


http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

See what I mean about the dead horse. Problem is he's not even funny. Just the same tired crap over and over. To be honest, I'm tired of hurling insults on here, I'd rather just talk Skins so from here on out I'm trying the ITA on all d-bags.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Frak man rock some Butthole Surfers and mellow out!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 25, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

and you tell me to chill out with the gay stuff...I kid again, Gibby Haynes is mildly amusing. I dug Jesus Built My Hotrod by Ministry.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Butthole Surfers are hitting the road next month, classic lineup... but I think I'm skipping their Portland show (which I know will break their hearts). They're playing a giant venue that I don't really like, and I was never a big fan to begin with, but by the same token it will probably be a hell of a show.

When Motörhead comes to town, on the other hand...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 25, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Frak's medication wore off at approximately 10:22 pm.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | August 25, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Ah Lemmy, he's one of the reasons I picked up the bass when I was younger. Him and Cliff Burton.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- if you're still looking to fill a slot in the inferior FF league, I'd be happy to kick ass in that league, too.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 25, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we have ever utilized our RB's (Portis and Betts) correctly, but taking out Portis on 3rd downs seems retarded.

How about giving Betts 1st or 2nd downs. News flash 3rd downs are important. Let's take out Moss and Cooley on 3rd down too. Let's take out Campbell on 3rd downs. On Defense take out Rodgers, Landry, and Hall...

Posted by: pabrian2003

I might be more politically correct in my choice of words, but I agree. Portis has a nose for getting what's needed, whether its the first down or the TD.

While it took the voters a while to realize it, Redskin fans and Redskin haters both knew why Art Monk got his hall pass. On 3rd down, when you needed it, he was money.

Why take Portis out on the most critical down? I have no idea.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 25, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Night all
HTTR

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 25, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, HIRE MARTY S, peaceful2008, freakzilla, chasgiffen, etc.- You at the Post should be ashamed of this blatant smear and spin campaign that you allow to run roughshod over this Skins fan site-what a pack of bores (probably just one or two with isp access), what are you on Snyder's payroll?? The Post's?? Both?? I HATE Goebbels-esque psyops, which is EVERYWHERE nowadays, to hell with its loser practitioners..

Posted by: frak | August 25, 2009 11:30 PM

You're right !


Here's video !

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 25, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Another great one. I was able to quote about half of that scene, I've watched that episode so many times.

Here's another great one:

http://www.youtube.com/user/opinionguy2011
Posted by: freakzilla | August 25, 2009 8:43 PM


THANKS

Posted by: HIRE_MARTY_S | August 26, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

zeke, I think I'm all set now, but I will let you know. Thanks for the offer. You and JohnDinHouston have both been kind enough to offer to play in both leagues. Gluttons for punishment, I guess :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 26, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Hell, Dorsey looks like he could be something special. Give him punt and KO return duties the last two preseason games, and try him out with some draws and screens. Could be another Joe Washington.

Posted by: kenboy1 | August 26, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll kick John's butt in both leagues (he's gone to bed by now, right? ...).

HOF selected Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau for oldtimers selection. LeBeau breaks new ground -- first guy selected mostly for his work as an asst coach. Little had a good career, seems marginal to me.

But Chris Hanburger, a 9-time ProBowl selection is overlooked again. The anti-Redskin bias is absolutely real ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

You obviously don't know what you're talking about when it comes to soccer.

Soccer is the foundation for any good athlete. Why? Because that's where you learn the fundamentals of FOOTWORK. Why do you think the NBA is getting raided by Europeans. See also Kobe Bryant, and most astonishingly, Chad OchoCinco, who played soccer competitively at some point. And of course not to mention the slew of other athletes who are excelling at their respective sports.

Cork, I'd like to see you in a soccer drill, where it's just you and the ball, no defenders around. I'll bet you will fall on your pretentious a$$ not 2 feet from the start.

Posted by: SmashMouth | August 26, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Smash, I hate to tell you this, but I'm pretty sure Corky was being sarcastic with most of that soccer stuff. He knew he was pushing buttons... and it sounds like he managed to wind you up as well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 26, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Part 1:

The HOF old timers have done it again. Overlooked the Redskins. Not only Chris Hanburger, a 9 time pro bowler (more than any player not in the hall), but another Redskin, who was a better player at a similar position to a guy that got selected. Floyd Little was a fine RB for the not so fine Broncos, but how does he stack up compared to our own Larry Brown?

Larry Brown, 1969-1976, total of 102 games
5875 rushing yds
2485 receiving yds
8360 yards from scrimmage
55 TDs
4 Pro Bowls
League MVP (1972)

Floyd Little, 1967-1975, total of 117 games
6323 rushing yds
2418 receiving yds
8741 yards from scrimmage
54 TDs
5 Pro Bowls

Usually players are evaluated on their 'peak' years, not on the years when they've gone downhill.

In Little's 5 ProBowl seasons, he totaled 5700 yds from scrimmage
In Brown's 4 ProBowl seasons, he totaled 5500 yds from scrimmage

Comparing their 6 best seasons, Little totaled roughly 6900 yards from scrimmage compared to Brown's 7,600 yards.

Comparing their best 4 years, Brown totaled 5,700 yards compared to about 5100 yards for Little.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2009 3:43 AM | Report abuse

Part 2:

Post season:
Brown, in 6 games (there was a 7th where he barely played), he averaged over 100 yards/game rushing + receiving. Brown was a major reason the Skins made it to the post season.

Little never played in a playoff game

Special teams:
Little was a major return threat in his first 2 years. In 1967 and 1968, he was in the top 4 in both punt and kickoff return averages, in both seasons. Those were the only years where he was in the top 10 in either category. Two of his 54 career TDs came on kick returns. Little ranks 27th all-time in yds/punt return and 86th in yards/kick return.

Brown didn't play on special teams

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2009 3:44 AM | Report abuse

Part 3:

Analysis:

Little played 15 more games than Brown, gained 381 more yards from scrimmage than Brown. Brown scored 1 more TD than Little. If you add in post season games, Brown had more rushing yards, more receiving yards and more TDs than Little, while playing in 8 fewer games (roughly 1/2 a season). Brown was a dominant player, including the league's MVP in 1972.

Little was in the top ten in yards from scrimmage 4 times. He led the league in that area once and was 3rd another time. Brown was in the top ten 5 times (consecutively -- his knee injury came in his 6th year), led the league once and was 2nd in the league twice.

Stats are readily compared, but other factors can have an impact. One such factor favoring Little is that Denver, for all its success in the past 25+ years, is under represented in Canton. Only Elway and Gary Zimmerman (5 years as a Bronco) are in and no one else is likely to get in unless its via the oldtimer route. Randy Gradishar was a frequent finalist, but his eligibility finished. In the year prior to Monk and Green entering the Hall, it seemed that people started to notice that the Gibbs era, with 3 Lombardis, had only 1 HOF player ... who only played in 1 SB. There were plenty of "something is wrong with this picture" comments, especially with teams like the Bears and Bills having more HOF entrants, despite fewer rings. While Monk may have benefitted from the obvious questions last year, Little probably got some benefit this year.

Little's special team play probably helped him significantly, though it was really only 2 years of stellar play on teams. But its clear that Brown was a better RB than Little. And its not that close. As his peak, Larry Brown was a dominating running back and perhaps the best player in football. Floyd Little was not quite in that category. Brown suffered a debilitating knee injury (blame the miserable the philly artificial turf) that resulted in relatively ineffective seasons in his last few years. Still, Brown accomplished virtually identical numbers to Little, in 1 season less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2009 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Part 4:

Bottom line:

The league has to look at guys who played well for mediocre teams, and Little was clearly that guy. Then add the under representation for Denver, Little's good RB numbers and his excellent special teams work in his 1st 2 seasons and you get this questionable nomination. Because there is really no comparison. Comparing Brown's best to Little's best, its an easy call. Larry Brown deserves a shot at the HOF. And he deserved it before Floyd Little.

But Chris Hanburger deserved a shot before either of these guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 26, 2009 3:51 AM | Report abuse


Good Reporting Z...

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