Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Cast Your Vote on Sanchez

By Cindy Boren  |  April 22, 2009; 10:02 AM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Sanchez Raves about His Redskins Visit
Next: Snyder, Cerrato, Zorn Meet the Press

Comments

foist

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

give me Orakpo

Posted by: jrenn2114 | April 22, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Give me Oher, or give me death!

Posted by: stwasm | April 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

T. Jackson, A.Smith, or R. Malauga. These guys would all be good for our team.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I think Snyder can't help himself, he just falls in love with outgoing, loud, cocky people - everything JC is not. I remember Neon Deion raving about how cool Snyder was and how their personalities seem to mesh. Something about Snyder could have come from the streets...

Posted by: az_david | April 22, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

There was a gunman on campus at Napa Valley Community college a couple of days ago. The campus was locked down for more than six hours. Among those locked down, some 50-60 people in the Library, including one nervous "student" who kept making phone calls.

Ooops. He was the gunman, an alleged bank robber who tried to hide in plain sight with the students. He surrendered.

Why mention this? Because the way people kept informed on breaking news, the real beacon for kids and lockdownees and curious people around the country was the Web site for the napa Valley Register. I kept getting updates becasue my daughter in law works there.

THATs how papers will evolve and save thmselves, if they will.

Not stupid surveys pandering to a readership they are trying desperately to retain.

Posted by: TheCork | April 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Just read the "Rave" review of Sanchez's visit and all it does is amplify the idiocy of this whole effort...

So, apparently Snyder "thinks the world" of Campbell...so much so that he's angling to get in the top 10 to bring in a new QB to compete????

And let's say we do get Sanchez in the Top 10. We are going to have to trade away picks AND pay him a ludicrous amount of QB money to potentially sit on the bench if he can't "beat out" Campbell?????

CAN SOMEONE JUST GRAB SNYDER AND SMACK HIM UP AND TELL HIM TO GET A HOLD OF HIMSELF!

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

No, Sanchez is a good mobile QB with a big arm, but he needs to go somewhere with a strong O-line and established QB situation to grow in, neither of which we have..If Zorn kowtows to Snyder (unless this is skunk smoke) and doesn't beef up that OT hole, NFC Beast is pouring through the breech and Zorn is sent packing to Detroit, Siberia...

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I say do whatever it takes to get Sanchez. If we come out of this weekend with Sanchez and a new starter on the right side of the line whether that's at guard or tackle this weekend was a success. IF we get Sanchez and a guard, Monday morning we should sign John Runyan to 1 year deal. Linebackers are easy to find, bring 10 undrafted ones to camp, and watch for vets that get cut. Behind our new dline anybody can play linebacker and be successful, Fletcher is going to be stud we just need a decent guy next to him. Whatever they do, they better be spending their top picks and efforts on the freaking offense. We already had a top five D and we added haynesworth, our 16 points a game O needs the work now.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

none of this really matters


Saturday will be interesting though, for sure.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

THATs how papers will evolve and save thmselves, if they will.

Not stupid surveys pandering to a readership they are trying desperately to retain.

Posted by: TheCork | April 22, 2009 10:18 AM |

Cork,

Are you just being cynical again about this survey? I'm betting that they're reading it out at the Park and that Mr. Cnyder and Mr. Serato will use it to guide their picks this weekend.

As for the Napa Valley Register, it will fold if this is the service they're performing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 22, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys, I am OFF the Sanchez bandwagon.

I talked to sources early this morning/late last night and know for a fact that this is a smoke screen.

So, talking about this any further takes us away from the real issues and is a waste of time. Like talking about Orakpo or Maybin......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn kowtows to Snyder ...

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 10:27 AM

How does this work? Does Zorn sign Snyder's paycheck or does Snyder sign Zorn's?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 22, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I talked to sources early this morning/late last night and know for a fact that this is a smoke screen.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:31 AM |

And what is the purpose of the smokescreen? What will the Redskins get out of it?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 22, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Our words here won't mean spit to Snyder. He's ego is more important than this ball club. Set our franchise free. Oh I'm sorry I didn't buy the team. It's not my decision to make. It's not my team. Well, I haven't bought any season tickets. I haven't bought any new jersey with new names on them. Eventually I'll forget there is a Redskins team at all.

Posted by: Berndaddy | April 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

AGH! This is why I usually wait to find out who we picked AFTER the draft. Seriously? Even I (and Fred Smoot) know that we need big fat linemen!

Posted by: suzannepdc | April 22, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I talked to sources early this morning/late last night and know for a fact that this is a smoke screen.

So, talking about this any further takes us away from the real issues and is a waste of time. Like talking about Orakpo or Maybin......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking this too. Maybe by getting someone to move ahead of them for Sanchez, the player they really want (one of the four OT's or Orakpo?) slides to them.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

4th-I really hope that you are right.

Posted by: suzannepdc | April 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

TE - They are hoping for Curry, JAckson, or Ayers to fall to them. They want other teams to jump them and grab Sanchez so the ones they like will fall.

I was also told they are willing to move up to 7 - 10 if the one they covet falls around there and they don't think said player will get pass Buffaloe or Denver, who picks ahead of us and will certainly pick defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn kowtows to Snyder ...

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 10:27 AM

How does this work? Does Zorn sign Snyder's paycheck or does Snyder sign Zorn's?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Zorn should be as insistent as a suicide bomber about filling that breech at OT if he expects to collect that check after this year..Maybe they see drastic improvement in Jansen or Heyer or Rhinehart's wheels, who knows, but that OT slot is in desperate need of an upgrade or it'll be Zorn's Smithfield Ham on a hook..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

TE - They are hoping for Curry, JAckson, or Ayers to fall to them. They want other teams to jump them and grab Sanchez so the ones they like will fall.

I was also told they are willing to move up to 7 - 10 if the one they covet falls around there and they don't think said player will get pass Buffaloe or Denver, who picks ahead of us and will certainly pick defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

God I hope you're wrong....while I am fine with getting or not getting Sanchez our freaking defense is FINE!!! we need an impact player on offense, whether that is Sanchez, a Tackle, god forbid but a Crabtree if he falls, or even Moreno if all the big four tackles are gone. We don't need more D we need O!!!!! who cares if we can hold teams to 10 points a game, if we can only score 3 as long as the kick wasn't beyond 40yards. ugggh so tired of our medium offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

4th,

Now you talken, thats what I like to hear. I hope your sources are better then JLC's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 22, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I say do whatever it takes to get Sanchez.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse


You are either an idiot or Mark Sanchez's mom...which one?

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be great if Mr. Snyder thought the world of Vinny too? Ahhhh, if only we were so lucky.

Posted by: dcwun | April 22, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Flound - Me and you both. I have met a few people related to Snyder and the team itself over the past few years. Though I don't have a close relationship, atleast they recognize my face. I am putting my whole blog cred on this one. If I am right, I may be the next PFT dude.

If not, I will be the best stone waller since Mayor Fenty....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Our nightmare top 10 in order:
Stafford
Smith
Curry
Sanchez
Monroe
Oher
Maclin
Crabtree
Raji
Smith

That leaves us with choices of hybrid tweeners, Moreno, the 5th best tackle Britton and trying to trade back and get Alex Mack and then getting guards and tackles with the next two picks. To me, if we can trade back in that scenario that's best, if we have to stay, I say take Moreno. Philly wants him, it wouldn't hurt us to have a legit compliment to CP to take 10 to 15 carries and then let CP close games out in the 4th, so if it helps our offense and denies a division rival a pick they want I say do it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

TE - They are hoping for Curry, JAckson, or Ayers to fall to them. They want other teams to jump them and grab Sanchez so the ones they like will fall.

I was also told they are willing to move up to 7 - 10 if the one they covet falls around there and they don't think said player will get pass Buffaloe or Denver, who picks ahead of us and will certainly pick defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

If this is true (a big if), I'm happy that they won't be ransoming our future to move way up in the draft for Sanchez instead of addressing needs at other positions. But the players you mention (Curry, Jackson and Ayers) are all defenders. What about our needs on offense? That's where we had the biggest problems last year, not defense.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 22, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Wednesday: Redskins Pre-Draft Media Briefing


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Redskins will host a pre-draft media briefing on Wednesday, April 22 starting at 2 p.m. ET from Redskins Park.

Redskins.com will broadcast LIVE coverage of the event.

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and head coach Jim Zorn are expected to be in attendance and discuss the upcoming NFL Draft.

If you miss the LIVE broadcast, an archive of the media briefing will be available afterwards on Redskins.com TV.

The broadcast will require Windows Media Player 9 or above.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(Whatever is said here and on Friday on the radio is what will be added to the smokescreen for Saturday)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

TE - They are hoping for Curry, JAckson, or Ayers to fall to them. They want other teams to jump them and grab Sanchez so the ones they like will fall.

I was also told they are willing to move up to 7 - 10 if the one they covet falls around there and they don't think said player will get pass Buffaloe or Denver, who picks ahead of us and will certainly pick defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse


Wanting Curry, I can understand as he seems to be a consensus lock for the "safest" pick in the draft and a guy that can contribute immediately.

Moving up to grab one of the other guys is plain dumb. Move up to grab a left tackle or move down...

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

4th I hope you're right but who the f are your sources??

Posted by: AdamCr | April 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I say do whatever it takes to get Sanchez.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse


You are either an idiot or Mark Sanchez's mom...which one?

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

If Sanchez comes in and wins 12 games and makes our offense legit how much of an idiot will I be? Everyone said Matt Ryan was a stupid pick and that worked out just fine for Atlanta, the truth is nobody knows what happens until after the fact, having an opinion that I think JC is mediocre and thinking that Sanchez is an upgrade doesn't make me an idiot. Only an idiot would make that kind of a comment thinking they are ssoooo much smarter than anybody else and their opinion about a hypothetical unprovable situation one way or the other is the only right opinion. Try having a conversation which is what this forum is for, not just calling people idiots.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"if we have to stay, I say take Moreno. Philly wants him"

yikes.....and...wow......words escape me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

if we somehow get Curry, there shouldn't be any complaints. Sit back and enjoy 5+ Pro Bowl years.


I'd kinda be down with Moreno. Moreno can be THE running back on a team, like Westbrook or Portis. Wells is the only other 1st round RB I believe, and he's not close to Moreno. Moreno might sneak up to the top 10 I think. No one is saying anything about him, and watching him for two years at UGA, the dude was head and shoulders above anyone else in the nation as a pure, all-around runner. Strength, speed, elusiveness, agility, quickness, catching out of the backfield, blocking, characters, great personality. Has it all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

What about our needs on offense? That's where we had the biggest problems last year, not defense.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 22, 2009 11:03 AM

Vinnie is relying on last years draft picks to improve the offense. Malcom Kelly was on the State-Runned 'Redskins Nation and he was very forthcoming about the knee issues and the current prognosis. He looks like he will be 100% this season. He won't be start OTAs until June, though. I'm not sure about DThomas. And Freddy Davis is determined to be on the field this year.

I would look for the skins drafting a RB in the Mid-Late Rounds who will stick on this roster. Which means either bye bye Rock or Betts.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

TE - They are hoping for Curry, JAckson, or Ayers to fall to them. They want other teams to jump them and grab Sanchez so the ones they like will fall.

I was also told they are willing to move up to 7 - 10 if the one they covet falls around there and they don't think said player will get pass Buffaloe or Denver, who picks ahead of us and will certainly pick defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't see Curry falling that far. Jackson or Ayers would be interesting. Jackson sounds like more of a 3-4 end though.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Since we do need an LDE and a strong-side 'backer, I can live with them going defense in round 1 at either of these two positions as long as they address the RT need, perhaps by trading for a second round pick and taking a tackle there.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 22, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"if we have to stay, I say take Moreno. Philly wants him"

yikes.....and...wow......words escape me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Then what do you suggest Bean? If Sanchez, Stafford, , Curry, Raji, all 4 top tackles are all gone, which is a realistic possibility and we can't find a trade back partner what is you pick? Maybin or Orakpo? If so, I have to say your plan is dumber than mine, we don't need help on defense, we need help on offense. Having a legit compliment to CP and a home run threat in our backfield could make a huge difference for our 16 point a game offense. More so than drafting another light end/not legit LB who can't hold up against the run hoping they can provide a little extra pass rush....with Haynesworth on our line our pass rush is better right there, we don't need to invest more on the line at the top of the draft, we have a chance to get on impact player on OFFENSE where we were you know, sucky, not add a maybe on an already top 5 defense that we already spent 100 million plus on this offseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

4th I hope you're right but who the f are your sources??

Posted by: AdamCr | April 22, 2009 11:05 AM

see above..

If I am right, I will expound further. I may change my handle to Jim Cramer....

I know for sure we are not geting Sanchez. We wouldn't be able to afford him right now anyway.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I would look for the skins drafting a RB in the Mid-Late Rounds who will stick on this roster. Which means either bye bye Rock or Betts.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If so I'm hoping for Gartrell Johnson RB Colorado State. He's a hard-nosed between the tackles runner that would be a nice complement to CP.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I like moving up for a guy we want. This guy we want isnt being talked about much. Thats the way I like it. Maybe the are better at not showing their cards afterall. Curry, Jackson would be good. Have soured on Orakpo. If Moreno sneaks into the top 10, that helps us.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I will change my name to Crame if we pick Sanchez is what I meant to write......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

also zjfr2, that's not even taking into consideration that Orakpo will bust.

Maybin over Orakpo if it comes down to it.

I might rather have Tyson Jackson than Maybin though.


Thing is, I'm not too impressed by many of the DL prospects in this year's draft, other than Raji and maybe Periah Jerry in the mid 20's as a value pick. Also Tyson Jackson as a value pick in the early 20's.

I think at #13 the best value pick might be Maualuga.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse


I say do whatever it takes to get Sanchez.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse


You are either an idiot or Mark Sanchez's mom...which one?

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

If Sanchez comes in and wins 12 games and makes our offense legit how much of an idiot will I be? Everyone said Matt Ryan was a stupid pick and that worked out just fine for Atlanta, the truth is nobody knows what happens until after the fact, having an opinion that I think JC is mediocre and thinking that Sanchez is an upgrade doesn't make me an idiot. Only an idiot would make that kind of a comment thinking they are ssoooo much smarter than anybody else and their opinion about a hypothetical unprovable situation one way or the other is the only right opinion. Try having a conversation which is what this forum is for, not just calling people idiots.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse


If Sanchez comes in and wins 12 games??? Are you serious?? Do you come from the Dan Snyder School of Football??

Who in the world is comparing Mark Sanchez to Matt Ryan?? Can you find one person who is making that comparison??

You are free to think that Sanchez is an "upgrade". But what you said was "Do whatever it takes to get him". That is stupid. Basically, we are supposed to pull a Ditka and throw as many picks and $$ at the guy in order to get him?? That is stupid.

He's not even gauged to be the best QB in the draft, and we are supposed to "do whatever it takes" to grab him?


Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

zj, all I'm saying is that drafting Moreno, when you have CP, and Betts, is galactically stupid. For about the 1-billionth time, RB currently is a position of strength on this team. Why draft another one??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Reality. You have to BEAT out Campbell IF you fall to us and are the HIGHEST on our board.

st. louis, san fran, denver, detroit

I wish every player well, but I have to say it

Heath Shuler-Chez

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Then what do you suggest Bean? If Sanchez, Stafford, , Curry, Raji, all 4 top tackles are all gone, which is a realistic possibility and we can't find a trade back partner what is you pick? Maybin or Orakpo? If so, I have to say your plan is dumber than mine, we don't need help on defense, we need help on offense. Having a legit compliment to CP and a home run threat in our backfield could make a huge difference for our 16 point a game offense. More so than drafting another light end/not legit LB who can't hold up against the run hoping they can provide a little extra pass rush....with Haynesworth on our line our pass rush is better right there, we don't need to invest more on the line at the top of the draft, we have a chance to get on impact player on OFFENSE where we were you know, sucky, not add a maybe on an already top 5 defense that we already spent 100 million plus on this offseason.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

We don't have a quality SLB or LDE. That's the whole left side of the front seven. I'd say that's a pretty big need. IMO of course.

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"He's not even gauged to be the best QB in the draft, and we are supposed to "do whatever it takes" to grab him?


Posted by: p1funk"

people are saying that if the Lions don't pick Stafford at #1, Sanchez might end up being selected ahead of Sanchez.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"He's not even gauged to be the best QB in the draft, and we are supposed to "do whatever it takes" to grab him?


Posted by: p1funk"

people are saying that if the Lions don't pick Stafford at #1, Sanchez might end up being selected ahead of Stafford.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Redskins need to trade 1st rounder, 3rd rounder, and next year's 1st rounder for #1 overall and select Tyler Hansborough C North Carolina.

THINK OF THE MARKETING GIMMICKS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm praying Orakpo goes to Cleveland at 5, that helps us big time, makes it much more likely that one of the big 4 tackles would fall to us. IMHO the pick has to be on the offensive side of the ball and should be Sanchez, a T, Moreno, or even Crabtree if for some reason he fell. But any pick that doesn't get us an impact guy on offense is a mistake. Our defense is elite as is. Daniels and Wynn are fine at LDE, Robert Thomas was a solid signing and we can find LBs easier than we can find a star on offense. We need a playmaker on O or a stud on the Oline anything less than that is ignoring our weakness once again and means another season of hoping CP holds up and watching our team fade as he does while opponents double Moss and bracket Cooley.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't get defense get offense. Why the hell would we need defense we were excellent last year and we have only improved it (Wynn and Daniels will be way more productive than dancing with the stars Jason Tay-bum).

Either get an offensive lineman (Oher, Smith) or draft Sanchez and trade Campbell to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick to get a pretty good OT. There are free agents we can look at for cheap, or we can remain confident in a healthy Thomas, a young beastly Dockery, Jansen/Heyer (heyer will break out this year you watch), a healthy pro bowl caliber Samuel, a solid Rabach.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"That's a fair assessment and knowing our FO, next year could very well be make or break for Zorn.

But what if they have already committed to giving Zorn like 4 or 5 years minimum. And they are committed to keeping his system and letting him use it. I believe we have the WR's for it after who we drafted last year, and I think Zorn, Snyder, and Cerrato all think Sanchez would be a better fit in Zorn's system than Campbell is.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

To tell you the truth (no pun intended), I'm not one of those people that think Sanchez is doomed to bustdom. From what I've seen and what I've heard, he's a very talented QB that could be a star in this league.

However, I do believe it will take an impeccable situation to get him there. A team that (1) commits to him as the franchise QB, (2) commits to a coach and a system long-term so that he can fully integrate himself, and (3) commits to surrounding him with the proper talent to succeed -- which, above all, includes the offensive line.

This franchise, in general, has struggled to provide #3 in recent memory. We had a dominant offensive line for 1, maybe 2 years (2005-2006), but lack of foresight, as well as lack of priority has allowed the line to grow well past its prime. This franchise has especially failed to provide #2. Even when we had a long-term coach, we still found it necessary to switch systems. And I don't see patience coming from Snyder at this point in time, especially when there are so many SB-pedigree coaches on the market for next season.

So to answer your hypothetical, I actually wouldn't mind Sanchez if and only if we had a coach of the future in place for the next 4-5 seasons, at the least. Someone that can mold Sanchez into his own QB, year in and year out. But, seeing as how Zorn is in a make-or-break situation here, I have a hard time believing that is the case. Couple that with the fact that using one of our precious few picks on him guarantees another lost opportunity to surround Sanchez with upgraded talent, this is one of the last places that would allow Sanchez to flourish. And for that reason, regardless of what happens to Campbell, I would not select Sanchez, or any QB, this year.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't see Curry falling that far. Jackson or Ayers would be interesting. Jackson sounds like more of a 3-4 end though.


Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 11:11 AM

If Curry gets pass the Lions, he will fall out of the top 5.

St. Louis/KC/Seattle have greater needs at LT and/ or QB. Cleveland is a 3-4 team, and Curry won't go to a 3-4 team.

That puts him @ #6 right there. Cincinati needs a new LT (Smith). #7 - I don't know where the raiders stand, but I heard offense (Tackle or WR) to help out their Franchise QB.

So, that brings us to JAcksonville @ #8. They just signed THolt the other day, so look for them to go Defense, and they need a OLB. So, Curry will not fall pass JAcksonville @ #8. So we need to trade with Cincy or Oakland to land Curry.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The only offensive player I'd consider at 13 would be one of the OT's. It's easier to find a decent RB later than practically any other position. Rookie WR's are a crapshoot at best (i.e. last years picks). OT, DE, or LB

Posted by: skinswest | April 22, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sanchez details visit

This is a comforting article. It is nice to qualify that the FO is approaching this as taking the best talent available, and grooming Sanchez. Sounds like Snyder was willing to trade away Campbell for Cutler, but not for Sanchez.
Sanchez would theoretically replace Collins. Che would have to beat out Colt first and then Campbell to play. Then, this could be a smokescreen too.
And, this is based on him FALLING to us.

The FO seems to think Orakpo and Sanchez are best talent available possibilities, which makes pretty good sense. If it's a smokescreen then these 2 are just out of reach. The FO might be happy with 3,4, or 5 OT's, and 3 or 4 DE's, Crabtree could be there.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

zj, all I'm saying is that drafting Moreno, when you have CP, and Betts, is galactically stupid. For about the 1-billionth time, RB currently is a position of strength on this team. Why draft another one??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Well then there's our problem Bean. I couldn't disagree more. RB is not a strength on this team. We are ok at rb but we're not good or strong at that position. Rock more than likely wouldn't be on any other roster in the league evidenced by him trying to find a deal last year and not being able to, Betts is ok but he's had one good season ever and is injury/fumble prone and is not a home run threat and doesn't give us anything especially different than CP except better hands catching on 3rd down but he's worse in pass pro, running, fumbling, injury, and doesn't provide big play potential. CP is solid but perhaps the most overpaid for what he produces player in the league. He gets the yards that are there and that's it. He doesn't make people miss, he doesn't catch the ball out of the backfield well, he rarely busts a big run, and he's not particularly strong around the goal line. What he does do is follow his blockers well, is a strength in blitz pick up, and doesn't fumble much. CP is a very good back, but he isn't an elite back like he is paid and behind him is very little I would call strength. Adding a legit compliment and threat to the backfield IMHO would help a lot.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"He's not even gauged to be the best QB in the draft, and we are supposed to "do whatever it takes" to grab him?

Posted by: p1funk"

people are saying that if the Lions don't pick Stafford at #1, Sanchez might end up being selected ahead of Stafford.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse


Can you tell me who these "people" are?

Even if that is the case, I'm sure that it is b/c they simply feel that Sanchez would fit their offense better - which is different than being gauged as the top overall QB in the draft.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

From the National Football Post: [via: yardbarker]

"Sources have told the National Football Post that the St. Louis Rams are looking to trade down from the No. 2 slot in this weekend's NFL Draft, driving speculation that any team interested in Mark Sanchez could work out a deal to move up and get the USC quarterback, who has been rising fast on draft boards."

The word smokescreen was used in relation to this, Spags is dangling Chez for Danny. Don't do it Danny.

Don't trade up.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Can you tell me who these "people" are?

Even if that is the case, I'm sure that it is b/c they simply feel that Sanchez would fit their offense better - which is different than being gauged as the top overall QB in the draft.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Here's what one longtime AFC scout told me about Sanchez on Tuesday: "I think he's more accurate than [Matthew] Stafford and less likely to make mistakes. Stafford reminds me a lot of [Jay] Cutler. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I just have Sanchez ahead of him."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

again, draft Moreno so that he can be third string behind betts. Good call...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

St. Louis/KC/Seattle have greater needs at LT and/ or QB. Cleveland is a 3-4 team, and Curry won't go to a 3-4 team.

Why not?? LT and the Gints were 3-4..But Clevelands pass rush was atrocious last year (17 total), they'll go DE I think..Curry would be a monsta, but if we're going for top defense, a serious effort should be made to get a Viniateri or young Stover for a kicker..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

agree with zjfr2, I don't think our RB's are necessarily a strength. Portis is on his last legs, and while I like both Betts and Cartwright, Moreno would be a huge upgrade over both. I mean huge.


and I'm not even gonna get into Portis's off-the-field comments that last year started to bother me. Moreno would be a fine backup RB for the...what, 2 more years we're tired to Portis (??) and then he could take over as the starter and produce well as a full time starter.

Moreno has very fresh legs, too. He's ran for I believe exactly 2600 yards in two years, but he's been in a position where he had Thomas Brown as a starter at least half the time in 07, and last year we ran Richard Samuel at backup in the later parts of the year, with Caleb King getting some runs early in the year and midway through the year. Also, the offense last year was more pass-happy than most years, and we've always been a team that runs the FB about 2 or 3 times a game.


And, as I said before, the guy is all class.

Speaking of that, I saw Jason Smith getting interviewd, he's a classy guy, too.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

Here's what one longtime AFC scout told me about Sanchez on Tuesday: "I think he's more accurate than [Matthew] Stafford and less likely to make mistakes. Stafford reminds me a lot of [Jay] Cutler. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. I just have Sanchez ahead of him."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse


Great. Thanks for providing the opinion of one AFC Scout.

Now is this the exception or the norm as far as opinions go?

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Even if that is the case, I'm sure that it is b/c they simply feel that Sanchez would fit their offense better - which is different than being gauged as the top overall QB in the draft.

Posted by: p1funk "

umm, I belive it was those two clowns on ESPN, Kiper and Mayock or whatever. That's if Jason Smith is the pick at #1 from what I understand.

and yes, it seems to be because Sanchez will be a better fit, but I was just throwing it out there.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

agree with zjfr2, I don't think our RB's are necessarily a strength. Portis is on his last legs, and while I like both Betts and Cartwright, Moreno would be a huge upgrade over both. I mean huge.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Even if you don't think RB is a position of "strength" it is NOT a position of need.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Fix the OL -- because, if we don't then the FO needs to...

...Use every pick for a QB. With our current OL, seven or eight QBs *might* get us through the season. If not, there's always ARE. Of course, we'd have to apply for an exemption to dress three QBs per game, and deactivate a few backups and Teams players.

Posted by: Shadowskin | April 22, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

CP is a very good back, but he isn't an elite back like he is paid and behind him is very little I would call strength. Adding a legit compliment and threat to the backfield IMHO would help a lot.

Posted by: zjfr2


WE GOT ZIPS IN THE WIRE!! ZIPS IN THE WIRE!!

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

again, draft Moreno so that he can be third string behind betts. Good call...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

what are you smoking Bean, in what world would Moreno sit behind betts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

DRAFT SANCHEZ!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

zj, lets just agree to disagree. Trading up for sanchez is almost, almost as stupid, as drafting a RB in the first round.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Wanted to pick "in CAMPBELL we trust." But like most others, just couldn't bring myself to adopt the "trust" portion of the choice.

KIPER moves LAWRENCE SIDBURY JR. into the late second-early third section of the draft. This kid's got the goods. And unless hurt is going to excel in the NFL. O-o-o-h lyrical. "Excel in the NFL." I like it. Mr. Wonderful, that's me. Three-foot long arms with ham-sized 12" hands. A four-foot reach without leaning over combined with NFL caliber size 6'3+" 266 and speed to burn, 4.64 combine time. Fastest D-lineman at the NFL combineS. As in CONSISTANTLY the fastest.

AND...better take a flyer on replacing JUSTIN TRYON with GREG TOLER, a man as quick with NFL caliber flexibility and size at 5"11" 192. A personal best 4.27 40. Consistant 4.39. BLAZING speed. You heard it here first. Pass them up at your peril.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Even if you don't think RB is a position of "strength" it is NOT a position of need.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Anything on offense (except tight end) is a position of need when you score 16 points a game. and please pay attention, the questions was if sanchez, stafford, all the big 4 tackles are gone and we can't trade back who would you take. I'm not arguing that Moreno should be the pick, it depends on what's there, but I would definitely want Moreno to add a weapon to our offense that sorely needs weapons over taking a risk on a tweener end/lb or the 5th best tackle at 13.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

frak:

We got zips in the wire down here. Expend all you remaining on my pod. I say again...." DALE DYE - PLATOON.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

And to address this article. USC - hell no.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 22, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Anything on offense (except tight end) is a position of need when you score 16 points a game."

Why isn't tight end a need when you score 16 points a game?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"Even if you don't think RB is a position of "strength" it is NOT a position of need.

Posted by: p1funk "

Possibly.

But say the top 4 OTs are gone, then what do you want?

WR might be a position of need, but we can't go there this year, not with anything in the early rounds. Should we take the fourth best OT, even when the 4th best OT is a stretch in the top 15?

We can't just say "Take Andre Smith" and it happens. He'd probably be number 1 on my board behind a couple of other guys who should be gone in the top 5, but apparently he probably won't be available.

Going into draft day, Moreno wouldn't be my #1 overall choice, but he will immediately contribute and he can definitely take over as a full time starter when Portis is done here. It's easy to say "Draft Andre Smith" or "Trade back", but those aren't a given.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

zjfr -

It doesn't look like you are thinking this all the way through. Do anything to get Sanchez...ok then, get Moreno or Crabtree...

Who's gonna block for these guys? Skill players won't help you if the line can't do it's job. Need to fix that first. And we need at least 3 new starters in the next year. Without a dominant line, Sanchez, Crabtree or Moreno won't make a bit of difference and we'll all be wondering why they were "busts".

Dominance starts at the lines. Let's get that fixed first.


Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Why isn't tight end a need when you score 16 points a game?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Cause we have Cooley and Davis and taking another tight end in this draft would make me drive to Boston and kill Greg.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Frak - Mayock and Casserly are saying the only problem with Curry is that he has 'tight hips'. And in other segments, they have said guys with 'tight hips' don't project well in the 3-4 system.

They also said Cushing has tight hips and wouldn't project well in a 3-4.

This is what happened to Vilma in the Jets system. He was a 4-3 guy with 'tight hips' playing in the 3-4 system. It just didn't work well for either side.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

umm, I belive it was those two clowns on ESPN, Kiper and Mayock or whatever. That's if Jason Smith is the pick at #1 from what I understand.

and yes, it seems to be because Sanchez will be a better fit, but I was just throwing it out there.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse


I understand, and I'm not coming after you (this time).

My initial point was that it was dumb for us to "do whatever it takes" to grab Sanchez. I compared it to the Ditka-Ricky WIlliams situation. Ditka did "whatever it took" to get RW, in that instance alot of people criticized the move, but at least RW was being legitimately hyped as the best back in the draft and maybe a premiere back of all time based on his college career.

Sanchez might get picked b/c he's a nice fit for an offense, but "doing whatever it takes" to get him is DUMB.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Cause we have Cooley and Davis and taking another tight end in this draft would make me drive to Boston and kill Greg.

Posted by: zjfr2"

and we have Portis and Betts in the backfield, so I don't get where you're going with this.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Draft some fat boys for the OL and Portis' legs will last longer, JC will be able to find open WRs, WRs will be able to gain separation from DBs and finish routes, Cooley won't have to help block as much allowing him to go out for more passes, and none of the food at the post game buffet table will go to waste. Seems obvious to me.

Posted by: countystyle | April 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2

If we go after sanchez we will use what picks we have this draft and some of next years draft to get him so their will not be any O line upgrade. Sanchez will be no more ready for prime time than our current second string QB colt brennan who by the way most of the bench JC posters were impressed with before this year. Sanchez will also by less ready to play than campbell yet will make more money. Then we will trade campbell next and have to start over with sanchez. Another 7-9 season or two before we actually have anough draft picks to upgrade the lines if snyder does not trade them away for the sexy pick of future drafts. This guy is just a typical fantasy football fan who happens to own a real team. He has no real football knowledge and should stay out of picking players like most owners do. The only time a person in his position was ever successful was jerry jones and that was during the 90's when he was able to draft several hall of famers with picks from the Hershel Walker trade. Snyder is no Jerry Jones. He needs to be more like Art Rooney and just own the team.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Frak - Mayock and Casserly are saying the only problem with Curry is that he has 'tight hips'. And in other segments, they have said guys with 'tight hips' don't project well in the 3-4 system.

They also said Cushing has tight hips and wouldn't project well in a 3-4.

This is what happened to Vilma in the Jets system. He was a 4-3 guy with 'tight hips' playing in the 3-4 system. It just didn't work well for either side.

Posted by: 4thFloor |"


and I read an article by a former NFL OL, can't remember his name (it was on SI), and he said "What the **** does "tight hips" mean!?!"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Even if you don't think RB is a position of "strength" it is NOT a position of need.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Anything on offense (except tight end) is a position of need when you score 16 points a game. and please pay attention, the questions was if sanchez, stafford, all the big 4 tackles are gone and we can't trade back who would you take. I'm not arguing that Moreno should be the pick, it depends on what's there, but I would definitely want Moreno to add a weapon to our offense that sorely needs weapons over taking a risk on a tweener end/lb or the 5th best tackle at 13.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I understand the scenario. But those "16 points" came from our running game.

CP rushed for 1487 yards and 9TDs.

It strains credulity to say we need to look for an "upgrade" at that position with the #13 pick.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

zjfr -

It doesn't look like you are thinking this all the way through. Do anything to get Sanchez...ok then, get Moreno or Crabtree...

Who's gonna block for these guys? Skill players won't help you if the line can't do it's job. Need to fix that first. And we need at least 3 new starters in the next year. Without a dominant line, Sanchez, Crabtree or Moreno won't make a bit of difference and we'll all be wondering why they were "busts".

Dominance starts at the lines. Let's get that fixed first.


Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

edvar, again, the question was what happens if the 4 T prospects are gone when 13 happens? IMHO Heyer is serviceable if he's next to a better guard than Thomas was last year, as evidenced by his switch to the left side next to kendall, he did fine there. But Runyan is out there too. IF you can keep your 3rd and get a solid guy at RG I'm ok with Heyer or bringing in Runyan for a season. We need one new starter on the right side, a stronger guard helps Heyer, a stud RT helps Thomas. But we also need weapons on offense. If one of the big four falls to us at 13 then take the tackle and be happy. But if the tackles are all gone, and we can't trade back I want an offensive weapon, not a defensive maybe on an already elite unit. I still say if we can go get Sanchez and spin off JC for picks and help the oline we should do it, but that is not a have to. We can't get Sanchez and ignore the oline, but answer me this, would you be happy with getting Sanchez, and a starter at guard out of this weekend? or Moreno and a starter at guard? to me that beats the heck out of our 10 player draft that produced one impact guy last season and that we all hope eventually might provide us some help someday.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Curry is sideline to sideline..I don't know what Casserly is smoking.."DAMMIT CURRY, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE THAT PLAY!!".."I can't help it, coach, sniff, I got tight hips!"

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

and we have Portis and Betts in the backfield, so I don't get where you're going with this.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm going with Cooley is in the prime of his career and Davis is in his 2nd year. Portis is on the backside of his career and Betts is as well if you can really ever say he was anything beyond average to beging with.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

it means they will have unpleasant child birth.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Z I see your point, but I fear Runyan may be washed up...

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is on the backside of his career"

Portis is a 27-year-old running back that gained over 1400 yards running behind a old and oft-injured offensive line. Where, in any sense, do you see that he is on "the backside of his career"?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

but answer me this, would you be happy with getting Sanchez, and a starter at guard out of this weekend? or Moreno and a starter at guard?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

NO.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

draft Sanchez, cut Collins use Jansen (who is in better shape) at Rt. Heyer to backup. Resign Washington to play SAM and use Thomas to spell him. Move Alexander to DE on 1&2 down use Wynn and Daniels on passing downs. Start Teaching Wilson LB and let him rush on 3rd down along with Carter. He is not an every down player any more. Any other problems need sloving?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

and I read an article by a former NFL OL, can't remember his name (it was on SI), and he said "What the **** does "tight hips" mean!?!"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:58 AM

along with an unpleaseant child birth, It seems to mean they aren't the best laterally/change of direction guys....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

None of the quarterbacks in the draft this year are that great. Campbell needs to step his poor accuracy having butt up and put the ball down the field or this should be his last year. Skins must address the o-line, de, and olb. Whatever else they get is gravy.

Posted by: MaxnDC | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is on the backside of his career"
Portis is a 27-year-old running back that gained over 1400 yards running behind a old and oft-injured offensive line. Where, in any sense, do you see that he is on "the backside of his career"?
Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:05 PM

And not sure why so many people are saying he can’t catch or is no good coming out of the backfield? I don’t remember him dropping passes that were catchable. In fact, I remember him making at least a few tough catches…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

draft Sanchez, cut Collins use Jansen (who is in better shape) at Rt. Heyer to backup. Resign Washington to play SAM and use Thomas to spell him. Move Alexander to DE on 1&2 down use Wynn and Daniels on passing downs. Start Teaching Wilson LB and let him rush on 3rd down along with Carter. He is not an every down player any more. Any other problems need sloving?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. Someone needs to adjust your meds.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

along with an unpleaseant child birth, It seems to mean they aren't the best laterally/change of direction guys....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, that too

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

the fact that each of the last 2 years his production has tailed of mightily in the second half of the season. That he has gotten banged up each year for the last several years. That his yards per carry have been nothing but average for several seasons. That his TD totals have been nothing but average as well. That he has has 2052 career carries, which is less than 100 behind Shaun Alexander's entire career and that 2000 carries as well as 30 years old is kind of the benchmark for when a RB's production falls off.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

my meds are fine thanks. I took all 6 pills this am

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Primary position of need for this team is an offensive tackle. But...if one of the top four isn't available at 13, then this offense need playmakers. Portis, at this stage of his career, is NOT a playmaker. You can't rely on 14 play drives every game to score touchdowns, or in our case, miss a field goal. Moreno would make a great deal of sense. I can't remember the last time a skins RB made a safety miss and broke a long run. This offense needs a Westbrook/Sproles/C. Johnson type back. We can't run the Gibbs running game in a West Coast system.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

And not sure why so many people are saying he can’t catch or is no good coming out of the backfield? I don’t remember him dropping passes that were catchable. In fact, I remember him making at least a few tough catches…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

You obviously weren't watching last season in the Bengals and Eagles games after he made the public comments about being a star and not needing to be benched that late in the fourth in both those games he dropped crucial catches right to him to stall drives.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Address the line or it won't matter who the quarterback is.

The offense will continue to flounder with 30+ year old injury prone linemen making up our line, and no young depth behind them to groom for the future.

Rebuilding the line with young talent should have started 3 years ago.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The clock is ticking louder on Portis. The big fall off has not happened yet, but he'll be 28 when the season starts and he has a lot of miles on him already.

Feature RB's usually start falling off at 30. Injuries and punishing hits catch up with them. Look at the way it is catching up to LT. No disrespect intended at all towards Clinton - the guy plays like a lion (the animal, not the suck @ss football team...), but you do have to think about how much longer he can go. When the fall off happens, it happens fast.

Posted by: edvar | April 22, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

thank you! you have to give Kelly, Thomas, and Davis the opportunity to step up, if Crabtree is there it would be tough to pass on him but otherwise we should even be thinking WR and nough said about TE, so if you can't get a tackle you want Moreno to me is the next best option to help the side of the ball that actually needs help.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Primary position of need for this team is an offensive tackle. But...if one of the top four isn't available at 13, then this offense need playmakers. Portis, at this stage of his career, is NOT a playmaker. You can't rely on 14 play drives every game to score touchdowns, or in our case, miss a field goal. Moreno would make a great deal of sense. I can't remember the last time a skins RB made a safety miss and broke a long run. This offense needs a Westbrook/Sproles/C. Johnson type back. We can't run the Gibbs running game in a West Coast system.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Yes we may need playmakers, but our running game is getting the job done. If we would just spell CP with Betts and/or Rock, we could solve the problem of "wearing down".

I'd probably be more supportive of drafting another WR at 13 to complement Moss rather than go after an RB...

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 22, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Tell em to think about the offense for once please!

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Primary position of need for this team is an offensive tackle. But...if one of the top four isn't available at 13, then this offense need playmakers. Portis, at this stage of his career, is NOT a playmaker. You can't rely on 14 play drives every game to score touchdowns, or in our case, miss a field goal. Moreno would make a great deal of sense. I can't remember the last time a skins RB made a safety miss and broke a long run. This offense needs a Westbrook/Sproles/C. Johnson type back. We can't run the Gibbs running game in a West Coast system.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with this post but what do you suggest is done to fix this situation? I would stop using a 2 back set. I love sellers but in the WCO he is a liability. we have to become a one cut, downhill running team in a singleback set. this would allow more 2 TE sets. In my earlier post I suggest playing Jansen at RT this is where I would but Yoder or Davis. helping Jansen and flattening out when possible. This leaves Cooley to run routes along with 2 other WR's Moss and/or Thomas, Kelly. What you will find is that JC17 holds the ball too long and still gets pressured. = Draft Sanchez and let his mobility and WCO knowledge excel.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, if Crabtree or Maclin is there you might have much better opportunity to trade down as someone below 13 may see value in trading up. If you could get the picks, go offensive line; if not, then I would have no problem with drafting one of those two WR's. Although that would suggest the FO has officially given up on Kelly and Thomas.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The only time a person in his position was ever successful was jerry jones and that was during the 90's when he was able to draft several hall of famers with picks from the Hershel Walker trade. Snyder is no Jerry Jones. He needs to be more like Art Rooney and just own the team.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 22, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

And my understanding is that it was Jimmy Johnson running the draft room back then for the 'boys, not Jerry Jones. How many Super Bowls have the Cowboys won since the players drafted by Johnson left? Snyder's problem (and ours) is that he is TOO MUCH like Jerry Jones, in that he wants to make personnel decisions and has no idea what he's doing.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So now Portis is the problem? And drafting another small back who isnt that fast is going to solve the problem? We dont need a back, if we did Wells would be the choice, not Moreno. We also dont need an unproven qb. Who cares how charismatic he is supposed to be. Personality doesnt win games. Sanchez wasnt a projected top 10 pick when the season ended and he should not be now. Hopefully we dont fall victim to the draft hype machine and end up with the next David Carr, Kyle Boller, or Alex Smith.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It seems obvious that the smart move here would be to trade down from the 13th slot in order to pick up perhaps a late 1st round and a 2nd round pick or two, in order address needs for offensive linemen, linebacker, DE and maybe another skill position project-player like a RB, rather than to once again make the huge, flashy deal for a single player of seemingly tempting potential but unproven value, thus once again mortgaging the future in what will probably prove to be another big gamble and subsequent bust. Give Campbell a first rate offensive line and he can probably be the star they hoped he was when they scrambled around to snag him. They've had their huge splash of a deal already this off-season in the acquisition of Haynesworth, but I'd be pleasantly amazed if Danny/Vinny made played it smart/conservative instead of the usual gigantic, ham-fisted play;one can only hope.

Posted by: Tedskins1 | April 22, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hail, that sounds reasonable, although I think Sellers is a fairly decent receiver (yes I know he had some bad drops last year). I'm not sure how the WC offesne works without a fullback. I don't pretend to be a coach (just a GM), but the Eagles scrambled all last year to fill their fullback slot and this year signed a free agent to do it. Clearly, Andy Reid seems to believe in the two back approach.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"the fact that each of the last 2 years his production has tailed of mightily in the second half of the season."

2007 - final 3 games of the season, 70 carries, 306 yards, 4 TDs, all wins

"That he has gotten banged up each year for the last several years."

2007 - 16 games played
2008 - 16 games played

"That his TD totals have been nothing but average as well."

TDs 2008 - 9

Those with equal or less TDs (most of whom are not on the "backside of their careers"):

Chris Johnson - rookie
Steve Slaton - rookie
Brian Westbrook
Matt Forte - rookie
Marshawn Lynch
Steven Jackson
Marion Barber
Frank Gore
Larry Johnson
Joseph Addai
Ryan Grant
Darren McFadden - rookie

" That he has has 2052 career carries, which is less than 100 behind Shaun Alexander's entire career and that 2000 carries as well as 30 years old is kind of the benchmark for when a RB's production falls off."

Yet he's still produced 1400+ yards running behind a much more banged up offensive line than he is.

You're not winning this argument. You spout off your gut feelings all you want, but Portis is a 27-year-old pro-bowl RB that deals with one of the least optimum offensive lines for a player that produces what he does.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Look, its easy.

At 13, if all other positions of need are gone, you draft for future talent.

Malaluga may not be worth the 13th as OLB, but when he projects to replace Fletcher in the middle, it makes sense to draft him now, get the one position 'fixed' for now and secure the other position for the future.

Then you move him whenever fletch leaves and then draft or get a FA OLB.

You could do worse, and him as a reach at 13 is better than reaching for any of the other OLB prospects or the Tweeners.

I think Malaluga gives you what most other Samoan players give you = Fire. He is a little ST, a little Ray Ray... i would take that

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

psp, damn you and your facts..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

and I read an article by a former NFL OL, can't remember his name (it was on SI), and he said "What the **** does "tight hips" mean!?!"

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 11:58 AM

Tight hips sink ships.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

You can spin it any way you want to, anybody who has followed this team knows that CP has gotten banged up and has had production dip late in the season the last couple of years. He is still productive, how much longer is debatable, but you're crazy if you think he's the franchise back two years from now.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a 27-year-old running back that gained over 1400 yards running behind a old and oft-injured offensive line. Where, in any sense, do you see that he is on "the backside of his career"?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:05 PM

It's not his age its the milage.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins draft Sanchez it will automatically make them a Super Bowl contender.

Posted by: wiatrol | April 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, good teams dont draft people they need to start now. If they end up beating out the competition, great.

Teams like NYG and NE.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I have all the confidence in the world that Danny & Vinnie will make the worst, most counter-productive decisions possible this weekend.
How did Danny get to be a filthy-rich tycoon? An executive as incompetent as he is a NFL owner wouldn't last two days in one of his companies.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | April 22, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"You're not winning this argument. You spout off your gut feelings all you want, but Portis is a 27-year-old pro-bowl RB that deals with one of the least optimum offensive lines for a player that produces what he does.

Posted by: psps23"

dude come on, you can't watch Portis run and tell me he has a burst of speed. I just tried searching for Portis' 2008 stats for yards after contact and broken tackles, but couldn't find them.

Either way, in the last two years he has season long rushes of under 35 yards.

No one is knocking the kind of player Portis is and was. He's been great to us, but I'm amazed at the loyalty some of yall have to Portis and JC. The fact that Kyle Orton was taken over JC says enough for me there, and with Portis, I mean, it's just obvious to see he's on the backend of his career.

If he makes it through 2009, zero chance he makes it through 2010.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

btw, weeks 13 - 17 last year, total yards rushing per game for CP:

22
32
77
70
80

and not a single game in that stretch with 100 total yards and only 2 tds in that entire stretch. But no, he doesn't need any help and our running game is fine.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

So now Portis is the problem? And drafting another small back who isnt that fast is going to solve the problem?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 22, 2009 12:28 PM

Mike Francessa doesn't like the RBs in this draft. His opinion: this draft is deep in OL and WRs. Those who express opinion seem to think this is a subpar draft - that next year will be better.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

thank you! you have to give Kelly, Thomas, and Davis the opportunity to step up, if Crabtree is there it would be tough to pass on him but otherwise we should even be thinking WR and nough said about TE, so if you can't get a tackle you want Moreno to me is the next best option to help the side of the ball that actually needs help.

No way Moreno. He's good, but we is STACKED at RB..Maybe spend a 3rd on that UConn RB (2000+ yards this year: Denver will get him probably), if he drops that far, or a scatback that can return kicks, but NO MORENO- FILL THE BREECH AT OT!!

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

CT I think that is a little different scenario playing out in Philly. They have for years had trouble running in short yardage situations. that directly relates to signing a full back. No bones about it. Where it is different for us is that we need to increase our passing ratio versus the run. Not 80/20 but 60/40. this accomplishes multiple things but first and foremost places the pressure on the QB and JC17 hasn't stepped it up just yet. The 60/40 gets Portis his rest, gets more potential weapons on the field and leans to drafting Sanchez. IMHO

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

why not give Betts, who is already on the roster 25% of Portis's carries, thus not wasting a draft pick on a rb?? Kind of the 2 birds/1 stone deal, being that Betts is already on the roster, and you'd reduce Portis's wear and tear. Crazy...I know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

and you failed to mention that despite been 3rd in the league with 342 attempts his 9 tds were tied for 13th

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a pretty fair RB. 1400 yards speaks for itself. But how many long runs did he have. It seemed like everytime he got 15 yards down the field he'd peter out and run out of bounds or something.

I'd like to see the Skins go for a running game by committee the way the Pats do. But whatever, it's the OL that makes the running game go.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

and you failed to mention that despite been 3rd in the league with 342 attempts his 9 tds were tied for 13th

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but how many times did we get to the goal line season and try to be cute and kick a FG? i can think of at least 3 or 4 where portis never touched the ball inside the 5. so add 4 TDs and where does that leave him?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Look, I am no Portis apologist but if QB is the second position most directly affected by the Oline, RB is the first.

There are plenty of RB's who have had carrers into their 30s (Jax RB who just moved up to NE). CP may not be able to break the long run, but he is smart and can consistently have good seasons for a good while to come if we help take some tread off (ie OL). A good 1/12th of our money is tied up in him. You cannot bring in another player at a high price tag and neglect other areas of need.

Look, If you think there is good talent in the 20's and 30's for OL, or any other position of need, you reach for them versus taking another RB. When there is no PON, then you draft best avail.

And reaching for that OL will affect Portis positively and maybe bring him back from the brink of Back End of carrer or whateve you all are calling it.

Two birds, one stone as the saying goes.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

why not give Betts, who is already on the roster 25% of Portis's carries, thus not wasting a draft pick on a rb?? Kind of the 2 birds/1 stone deal, being that Betts is already on the roster, and you'd reduce Portis's wear and tear. Crazy...I know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That be a really great plan if Betts was you know, good. But considering he fumbles a lot and doesn't break long runs and isn't fast it kinda doesn't change our offense from the boring, not explosive, 16 points a game machine it has been for the last 4 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope snyder reads some of these polls because from everything I see the true Redskin Nation (the fans) do not want any part of Sanchez.

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 22, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not only an elite back, he is among the best ever, as the stats he's amassed bear out:

Most rushing yards, first seven seasons

1. Eric Dickerson: 11,226
2. LaDainian Tomlinson: 10,650
3. Barry Sanders: 10,172
4. Emmitt Smith: 10,160
5. Walter Payton: 9,608
6. Jim Brown: 9,322
7. Curtis Martin: 9,267
8. Edgerrin James: 9,226
9. Clinton Portis: 9,202

The only concern is encroaching age, as his intensity, determination and toughness, along with ability to play well when injured, are not in doubt. However a later round RB project would surely be in order.

Posted by: Tedskins1 | April 22, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Francessa doesn't like the RBs in this draft. His opinion: this draft is deep in OL and WRs. Those who express opinion seem to think this is a subpar draft - that next year will be better."

I've been bringing this up to everyone who suggests trading the 1st round pick next year in order to gain more picks this year. Moronic move IMO, because next year's 1st round is going to be absolutley filthy. Eric Berry, Taylor Mays, Brandon Spikes, Sergio Kindle, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mt. Cody....the list goes on and on

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"but you're crazy if you think he's the franchise back two years from now."

A worry two years from now, especially at the RB position where rookies and youngsters routinely step in and play at extremely high levels, does not make it prudent to address the situation NOW. Especially when (1) there are much more pressing needs, (2) there are no elite prospects at that position, (3) we have a limited supply of draft selections, especially at the top of the draft, and (4) our top 2 running backs are signed to approximately $65 million contracts, without the need to add another $20+ million on top of that.

I give it about a 0.0% chance that Moreno is selected at #13, or in the first round at all by us (should we decide to trade down). A speedy flier that can return punts in the late rounds? Sure, I can see that. But a 1st round selection would be possibly the 2nd worst selection this team could make (only behind TE).

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

And jack, portis does need help, and so does the running game, but just like drafting Sanchez, it dont mean squat if the players in front of them cant block...

OL would help CP, so in your scenario, if the top 4 OL are taken you either

A) Trade Out
B) Reach for Oline
C) Reach for other position of need
.
.
.
X) Draft RB

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

zj, you're not getting the big picture with the whole breakout of carries. Give Betts more, and he'll be MORE EFFECTIVE, give Portis LESS, and he'll be fresher.

I'm done with this, as its approaching Pierce territory.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

btw, weeks 13 - 17 last year, total yards rushing per game for CP:

22
32
77
70
80

and not a single game in that stretch with 100 total yards and only 2 tds in that entire stretch. But no, he doesn't need any help and our running game is fine.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:41 PM

What an amazing coincidence! CP's production tailed off at the same time the O line went on vacation. I wonder how that could happen?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday: Redskins Pre-Draft Media Briefing


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Redskins will host a pre-draft media briefing on Wednesday, April 22 starting at 2 p.m. ET from Redskins Park.

Redskins.com will broadcast LIVE coverage of the event.

Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and head coach Jim Zorn are expected to be in attendance and discuss the upcoming NFL Draft.

If you miss the LIVE broadcast, an archive of the media briefing will be available afterwards on Redskins.com TV.

The broadcast will require Windows Media Player 9 or above.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

(Whatever is said here and on Friday on the radio is what will be added to the smokescreen for Saturday)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody see what is wrong with that post? I will give you a second... ok time's up. No it isn't anything that 4th did. It is the fact that Daniel Snyder is in anyway involved in draft discussions. I would have a lot more respect for Danny if he just named himself GM and stop pretending. If he doesn't trust Vinny to make the call, then HIRE SOMEONE ELSE. Otherwise, stick to marketing the team.

P.S. Winning will help your marketing. It is a lot easier to buy jerseys if we are contenders.

Posted by: moosepod | April 22, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"and you failed to mention that despite been 3rd in the league with 342 attempts his 9 tds were tied for 13th

Posted by: zjfr2"

And league-leading rusher Adrian Peterson was 2nd in the league with 363 attempts. How many more TDs did Peterson have?

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

From NFL Draft Dog

Alex Mack, 2009 NFL Draft Prospect
Center
Height: 6' 3"
Weight: 316 lbs.
California
Senior
Strengths: Intelligence, Size, Leadership, Athleticism
Weaknesses: Natural Strength, Technique
Pro Comparison: Kevin Mawae, NY Jets

Scouting Report by Daryl Breault
Updated: 3 November 2008

I don’t see any contest between Mack and anyone else for the title of best center prospect. In my opinion, Mack is the top lineman in 2009, period. He is already one of the most decorated college centers of all time (2-time first team All-Pac-10 selection, 2007 Morris Trophy winner and 2007 Remington finalist, among other awards and nominations) and should add to his list of hardware after this season. He has the ability to play center in any offense and should be one of the few centers ever to be drafted in the first round of the NFL Draft. He considered coming out last year and would have been a day 1 pick, probably in the 2nd round.

Mack paved the way for nine 100-yard rushing games last season by Cal runners and as a team Cal averaged 165.7 rushing yards per game. The Bears allowed only 11 sacks all of last year and a measly 24 over the two previous seasons combined. Mack is again the center of attention for Cal, as Jahvid Best and Shane Vereen have racked up 540 rushing yards in 3 games while QB Kevin Riley has looked like a potential pro prospect. Best exploded for 200 yards on 14 carries against Washington State in Week 2 and the pair has 3 100-yard games through 3 games, including a combined 212 yards in the first game of the season against MSU when both runners topped 100-yards.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Listen, I'll say it again, I'm not arguing to take Moreno over anybody else, but there's a very real shot that none of the tackles we want are there at 13 and people act like its so simple to trade back and get extra picks but there has to be someone on the board people want to trade up for and there is no guarantee we'll automatically be able to trade back. I'm just saying if the tackles are gone, I'd be just fine with Moreno assuming we can't trade back. If we can trade back, and grab Mack, Britton, and Duke Robinson that would be the best draft ever, but there are a lot of variables in the draft and you can't always just assume you can do whatever you want to do. There is a real shot we could be stuck at 13 with none of the tackles on the board and no trade partners.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please submit a list of players we should be overly loyal to and never talk about replacing/upgrading.

I'm surprised we don't have a bunch of people crying when someone says ARE needs to be replaced.


Sorry folks but we ain't winning no darn Superbowls with Portis or JC.


Maybe I'm the only one but I want to rebuild the whole darn franchise. We got a bunch of "good" players. Hallelulah, Clinton Portis can block well and run hard for 3 yards. Way to go JC, we were only 4 yards away from 1st down on that 3rd and 5! But keep checking down, don't throw an INT!

Gimme a break. Right now we're wasting a yearly top 5/top 10 defense with a bunch of crap players. I'll accept that we went and spent three picks on "pass catchers" last year. We needed something, and I'm still hoping they catch on. But I think our whole offense should be on the chopping block, especially the older guys who have been hanging around for awhile.

OT, G, C, RB, QB. I think we could use an upgrade at all of those positions. Maybe WR, too, but for some reason I have confidence that Kelly and/or Thomas will turn out to be a player. TE we're fine. The D could use improvements, but we're fine. And that's not even taking into account that the defensive linemen in this year's draft aren't too impressive to me other than a select few.

But this isn't about this year's draft or this year's season. I'm talking longterm, this team needs an overhaul. I think last year might have been the start, and you draft the best pieces available.

There's no doubt OT is a position of need, but would you pass on a guy like Aaron Curry to take Ebon Britton just because OT is a position of need higher than LB? Absolutely not. If Andre Smith isn't available at #13, and we don't feel comfortable with Oher, then what else should we do?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

No, what you are arguing is that Portis needs help and RB is the way to do it.

I simply suggested reaching for an oline is a better move.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"There is a real shot we could be stuck at 13 with none of the tackles on the board and no trade partners."

Even if you were 100% against selecting defensively, in that case, you take Alex Mack, or Michael Crabtree, or Jeremy Maclin, or Derrius Heyward-Bey, or Hakeem Nicks. Any one of those selections would be better than Moreno, who, at best, becomes a rotational running back this and next year. And that's not to mention that a number of defensive selections would be significantly better than Moreno.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Taking Mack would help push both Rabach and Thomas. He could play either to start. If Rainhard comes along so much the better; we might finally see the middle of the line set for a while. That's progress.

Casserly made the point that you don't worry about what others want to do. You rely on your own grading system and your own philosophy.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Truth, the problem with our offense being on the chopping block comes down to money.

On offense the aged group ready to retire is the Oline, so you reach there. Take Oher. If you really dont feel comfy with Oher, you take Malaluga.

You cannot add another RB with a high price tag.

Your last paragraph seems to contradict the first 20

But you obviously dont pass on the current or supposed #1 overall prospect at LB if he is there at 13. But there should be no way in you know where that he is avail at 13.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick and tired of these juvenile surveys (sanchez in particular).what about "JC IS OUR QB" don't you understand, so called no fun league reporters and fans alike.GET OVER IT! report on something we don't already know. thank goodness the draft is only 3 days away and we will not have to read this crapola any more on our qb position. the skins should have signed local standout (heart of a lion) leftwich, ditched collins or colt (btw what a name for a young inexperienced qb that UGA absolutely crushed when they played and plummeted his draft order status). I mean he was running for his life way more in that 1 game than JC had to do all of last year. GET CURRY & PETTIGREW (future HOF's barring injuries), and just to get you Cooley lovers riled up, trade him (trick someone to take him since he is marketable and I presume a cap saver) and whatever draft picks this or next year to get the aforementioned players. sign Kendall for minimum $ to increase depth and let the scouts do their jobs for a change to strengthen the OL and other positions of need.btw reed doughty is a special teamer at best and how is he even on the roster (he sure could not make anyone elses).punter is a concern and kicker is a major concern (can easily cost you games), but not worth a draft pick(scouts do your job!).the beast is there for the taking but we have to grab it! HAIL SKINS! (okay Cooley lovers bring it).

Posted by: jenksredskins | April 22, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, if Crabtree or Maclin is there you might have much better opportunity to trade down as someone below 13 may see value in trading up. If you could get the picks, go offensive line; if not, then I would have no problem with drafting one of those two WR's. Although that would suggest the FO has officially given up on Kelly and Thomas.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse


I totally agree with trading down in that scenario.

Somehow, someway, some folks around here started raising concerns about adding a "playmaker" at RB w/ #13 pick. IMO, this notion comes in at a close second in stupidity to the idea of trading up to draft Sanchez.

I was only making the point that if a "playmaker" HAD to be added with our top pick, I would probably rather go WR than RB.

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

from a random mock draft I found, I'm interested in what some of yall would do here if you can't do the magic "trade back"

at #13 we have the following available :

Micheal Johnson, DE Georgia Tech
Malcom Kelly, CB Ohio State
Clay Matthews, LB Southern Cal
Chris Wells, RB Ohio State
Josh Freeman, QB Kansas State
Everette Brown, OLB Florida State
Peria Jerry, DT Ole Miss
William Beatty, OT UConn
Knowshon Rockwell Moreno, RB Georgia
Ebon Britton, OT Arizona
Rey Maualuga, LB Southern Cal
Jarron Gilbert, DL San Jose State
Darius Butler, CB UConn
Brian Cushing, LB Southern Cal
Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri
Robert Ayers, DT Tennessee
Sean Smith, S Utah
Brian Robiskie, WR Ohio State
Alex Mack, C California
Max Unger, OL Oregon


That's very possible. Who do we take then?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Mack or Malaluga

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd go either Mack, or Unger

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

So because the Titans had lendale white and needed receivers the drafting of Chris Johnson was a mistake? Carolina shouldn't have taking jonathan stewart cause they had deangelo williams? The giants shouldn't have Jacobs and Ward? Minnesota had chester taylor who had a monster season the year before they took peterson why should they have grabbed him when he fell?

I'm just saying, if we're stuck at 13 and the tackles are all gone, pairing a young talented back like Moreno with CP makes us a better offense. I know Beantown loves him some Betts, but you're crazy if you don't think Moreno immediately makes us a better offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Jenks, I was with you up until you started talking about taking Curry and a blocking tight end.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Alex Mack, all the way.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Maualuga would be my pick, but then we're gonna see the same stale *** offense again next year.

Mack would be a great pick if we somehow did trade back, but under this scenario we aren't. I like Mack a lot but I don't know about #13 overall.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Jack;

Those teams had their o line in place... and younger, we dont.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Truth, 13 is just a number, as in dollars. If this guy would become an All Star Center, who cares when he is taken.

Snyder obviously doesnt care about the money.

If we go by the rule of thumb during the draft, which is forget what you hear or read and pay attention to what you dont...

The skins hope to pick someone they worked out and interviewed but havent said much about.

To me that is Malaluga, Orakpo and one of those Olinemen

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be upset with drafting Sanchez. I'd love to have Orakpo, but I think our D is pretty solid where it is. You can't win consistently w/o a very good QB.

Posted by: dieselfan44 | April 22, 2009 9:56 AM

It's amazing that anyone who calls themself a Skins fan could think we should waste yet another 1st round pick on a QB.

Has it been THAT long since The Hogs proved that you don't need a Hall of Fame QB to dominate offensively in the NFL?

It's only been a few years since Brad Johnson, cast off by the Skins, won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay. He (and Big Ben, who had 17TDs and 15 INTs last year) proved you don't even NEED to dominate offensively if the rest of your team is good enough.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Jack;

Those teams had their o line in place... and younger, we dont.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Carolina's oline was in shambles are you joking? they lost 2 QBs and we're playing Vinny Testeverde cause the couldn't keep their QB upright.

Listen, I get it OL is our biggest need! I completely agree. but that doesn't mean that at 13 our best pick is to reach for a lineman if the top 4 tackles are gone and we can't trade back. Just repeating over and over that we need oline ignores the freaking question. and reaching for a guy just because we need a lineman when you have the opportunity to add the best prospect at a position and a playmaker to an offense that desperately needs playmakers is silly. There's no guarantee we can trade back! If we can't, add a playmaker! then in the third you can get oline help, and if you want trade up into the late first early second to get a lineman where he ought to be picked, we've done that before, we traded into the 1st after taking Rogers to get JC.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"It's only been a few years since Brad Johnson, cast off by the Skins, won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay. He (and Big Ben, who had 17TDs and 15 INTs last year) proved you don't even NEED to dominate offensively if the rest of your team is good enough.


Posted by: Alan4 "

Big Ben was the reason they won the SB.

His OL was worse than our OL. I think we've already had this discussion before.

Washington had more rushing yards, more rushing TD's, and less sacks than Pitt.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Under that scenario Maulauaga or E Britton

Posted by: MadeRED | April 22, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota had chester taylor who had a monster season the year before they took peterson why should they have grabbed him when he fell?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Chester Taylor had like 1200 yds and 6 TDs behind arguably the best O-line in football.

If 1200yds and 6 TDs is a "monster" season in your book, then why so quick to poo-poo CP's 1500yd/9TD output this past year?

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

More to that point, Alan4, look at what happened to the great Tom Brady when the Pats O-line couldn't stop the Jints defensive line. It's all academic if you don't have the O-wall.

And yes, I'd absolutely take Mack at 13 if I couldn't trade down to get him. Maybe I then sign Jon Runyon for 1 year at RT as someone suggested above, as the stop-gap.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

And not sure why so many people are saying he can’t catch or is no good coming out of the backfield? I don’t remember him dropping passes that were catchable. In fact, I remember him making at least a few tough catches…..
Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse
You obviously weren't watching last season in the Bengals and Eagles games after he made the public comments about being a star and not needing to be benched that late in the fourth in both those games he dropped crucial catches right to him to stall drives.
Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 12:14 PM

2 things here jack:
- Public comments don’t affect his ability to catch passes.
- 2 drops does not define his pass catching ability. That’s a knee jerk fan reaction.

I am sure you could find just as many good/tough catches he made to counter any drops…..

Argue all you want. Portis/Betts is not an area of need; if they were stacked with depth everywhere else, then sure, use a luxury pick on a future RB. Right now Portis/Betts/Cartright is a pretty good field of tailbacks. I agree with you on the fix the oline part being 1st priority, but If they are sitting at 13 and there isn’t one of the 4 tackles, they should go LB or DE, and I say stay away from Orapko’s bad knees and take a USC LB. You say take a playmaker instead of reaching, but there are serious needs at LB and DE…..why would you want to ignore those needs for a “playmaker” on offense?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry folks but we ain't winning no darn Superbowls with Portis or JC.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 12:55 PM

You may be right, but it won't be because of the guys you're naming. Those guys aren't the problem, any more than Super Bowl winner Brad Johnson was the problem when the Skins let him go.

CP is easily one of the top 3 RBs in Skins history. JC17 is the best QB the Skins have had since our last Super Bowl. They are not the problem.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd still go Britton. He's a much safer prospect at RT than Smith and Oher. He won't bust out. He might not be all-world, like those guys, but you'll know you'll be getting a solid player who will be there for a decade.

I wouldn't go Mack simply because I think you can get a nearly talented center/guard like Antoine Caldwell in the 3rd.

Ayers would be tempting though.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

give it a rest will you, I'm not poo poo CP but you're ignoring reality and what any fan of the Skins knows if you don't think that CP is much much closer to the end of his career than the prime of it. LT is a perfect example, prior to last season he was considered the best back in the league, this offseason, the Chargers franchised Darren Sproles and cut his pay. CP is still productive and a good back, but the clock is ticking and it won't be long before he's done being a franchise back, and it happens quickly when it happens. Can he still be productive for us for several more years? Maybe, but his days as a feature back taking 90% of the teams carries are numbered. And if you're are happy with Betts as the other option that's fine IMHO Betts isn't the answer.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben was the reason they won the SB.


Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:16 PM

Somehow, I can't help thinking the Steelers #1 ranked defense had more to do with them winning the Super Bowl than Big "17 TDs, 15 INTs" Ben.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Last year I was hoping for Mayo until he zoomed up the board past the Skins' pick. Trading back was a good idea, only they should have taken DeSean and Limas. Devin may come around, though.

This year, I don't know. It would be nice to trade back again. Mayhock says the value in the draft is after pick 15.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

zj=guru...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

CP is still productive and a good back, but the clock is ticking and it won't be long before he's done being a franchise back, and it happens quickly when it happens. Can he still be productive for us for several more years? Maybe, but his days as a feature back taking 90% of the teams carries are numbered. And if you're are happy with Betts as the other option that's fine IMHO Betts isn't the answer.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:27 PM

Maybe it's time to move Westbrook to RB.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually BEANTOWN I brought this MORENO thing up yesterday you draft MORENO!!

trade Portis for a first rounder to say arizona or a 2nd and 3rd rounder

with the 13 we draft moreno then if we get a 2nd and 3rd we draft C MACK if there OR DUKE ROBINSON WITH THE 3RD WE DRAFT LOADHOLT IF WE TOOK MACK WITH THE SECOND IF WE TOOK ROBINSON THEN WE LOOK AT CB AND WITH OUR OTHER 3RD WE LOOK AT WELL OLB? OR WHATEVER IS THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE REGARDLESS OF POSITION THEN WE HAVE SAMUELS AT RT ROBINSON/LOADHOLT AT RG ALEX MACK AT CENTER DOCKERY AT LG AND HEYER AT RIGHT GUARD WITH MORENO AND BETTS SPLITTING CARRIES OUR TRIO STEPS UP WITH COOLEY AND MOSS SOUNDS LIKE A TOP FLIGHT OFFENSE WITH ZORN OPENING UP THE BOOK FOR A SECOND YEAR IN THE SYSTEM CAMPBELL

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

yup..."trade portis for a first rounder"...time to go get some work done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Please stop posting in CAPS.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

JC17 is the best QB the Skins have had since our last Super Bowl. They are not the problem.

JC17 better than Trent Green?
1999 3441 yds 23 TDs 11 picks
don't think so

Better than Brad Johnson?
1999 4005 yds 24 td 13 ints
don't think so

Better even than Brunel?
2005 3050 yds 23 TDs 10 picks
debatable, 23 tds from JC and we're a 11 win team last year

Not even better than the 2002 Spurrier debacle?
Mathews, Ramsey, Wuerffel combined for
3509 yards 23 tds and 20 picks
obviously better at the picks, but they threw for more yards and TDs than JC

JC is hardly the best QB we've had since our super bowl years, perhaps the most tenured, promising, and excused QB....but not the best.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

give it a rest will you, I'm not poo poo CP but you're ignoring reality...

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually I'm producing statistics to counter your points.

Whatever.

You're the one coming up here saying we need to do "whatever it takes" to get Sanchez; and you think I'm the one ignoring reality...

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

yup..."trade portis for a first rounder"...time to go get some work done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

---------------------------------

I concur.

Posted by: countystyle | April 22, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Everyone complains we never have any draft picks well we could have more if we traded the guys as they hit the down side of their carreers while there is still value bfor them rather then wait till we can get nothin in return for them like portis next year or 2 he will have no trade value to any one so lets get sumthin for him while we can

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

now that is stupid. Nobody is giving us a 1st for CP and there's no way in the world we could trade CP for even a punter, his cap hit would mean we couldn't field a team next year.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"CP is easily one of the top 3 RBs in Skins history. JC17 is the best QB the Skins have had since our last Super Bowl. They are not the problem.

Posted by: Alan4 "

How 'bout Todd Collins, who performed much better with the exact same supporting cast?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

yup..."trade portis for a first rounder"...time to go get some work done....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 22, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

---------------------------------

I concur.

Posted by: countystyle
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

my scenario said if possible a first i dont think we couyld but the draft i laid out had us tradin portis for a second and 3rd which if hes is as good as you guys think shouldnt be aproblem especially to a team like arizona or new england who are in contention for a super bowl and have lotsa draft picks!with the 13 we draft moreno then if we get a 2nd and 3rd we draft C MACK if there OR DUKE ROBINSON WITH THE 3RD WE DRAFT LOADHOLT IF WE TOOK MACK WITH THE SECOND IF WE TOOK ROBINSON THEN WE LOOK AT CB AND WITH OUR OTHER 3RD WE LOOK AT WELL OLB? OR WHATEVER IS THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE REGARDLESS OF POSITION THEN WE HAVE SAMUELS AT RT ROBINSON/LOADHOLT AT RG ALEX MACK AT CENTER DOCKERY AT LG AND HEYER AT RIGHT GUARD WITH MORENO AND BETTS SPLITTING CARRIES OUR TRIO STEPS UP WITH COOLEY AND MOSS SOUNDS LIKE A TOP FLIGHT OFFENSE WITH ZORN OPENING UP THE BOOK FOR A SECOND YEAR IN THE SYSTEM CAMPBELL

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

re-enter reality dude, CP is impossible to trade thanks to his salary, so just stop saying it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Somehow, I can't help thinking the Steelers #1 ranked defense had more to do with them winning the Super Bowl than Big "17 TDs, 15 INTs" Ben.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:29 PM "


Let's see :

Great defense :

Pitt CHECK
Washington CHECK

Crappy OL :
Pitt CHECK
Washington CHECK

Great QB :
Pitt CHECK
Washington

Yall are way too loyal to JC. I liked the draft pick and I like him as a person and I'll admit he's an average NFL QB. But he ain't getting it done.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

zfjr2-
Last year was scheduled to be Campbell's breakout year, but injuries across the entire offense tore him down second half of year. Give him a young sturdy tackle over there that can handle DeWare, Tuck, etc., and he'll revert to the 12-4 clip we were at before injuries struck..And if no top OT, then we go pass rushing DE and give them a taste of their own medicine..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If Mack is a once in a generation player at center/guard (earlier post talked about him being referred to as the best center propect in 10 years), you take him. Steve Hutchinson was talked about similarly in 2001, but wasn't taken until the 17th pick because he was a guard. He will be in the HOF. I remember this draft because I was screaming at my TV when we took the great Rod Gardner instead of Hutchinson at 15.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

i agree no first for portis Zjrjz?? but he is a top 3 rusher so why cant we get a 2nd and a 3rd or even just a second for him and dradft moreno 13 mack/robinson with the 2nd and with our 3rd get loadholt bam a solid OL with samuels rt loadholt rg mack c dockery lg and heyer lt??

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

i'm done. All this bs has made my head hurt

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

i agree no first for portis Zjrjz?? but he is a top 3 rusher so why cant we get a 2nd and a 3rd or even just a second for him and dradft moreno 13 mack/robinson with the 2nd and with our 3rd get loadholt bam a solid OL with samuels rt loadholt rg mack c dockery lg and heyer lt??

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

ugh, since you love caps maybe this will help HE MAKES TOO MUCH FREAKING MONEY TO TRADE HIM AWAY BECAUSE THE CAP HIT WOULD CRIPPLE THE TEAM AND WE WOULD HAVE TO CUT HALF THE TEAM!!!!! does that help?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

ROTHLESBURGER IS FAR FROM A GREAT QB COMPARE HIS NUMBERS TO JC17 THEY ARE DAMN CLOSE

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout Todd Collins, who performed much better with the exact same supporting cast?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:43 PM

Or Timmy Smith, who had a record breaking Super Bowl after George Rogers struggled? Some people are meant for the moment, and that's all. Collins moment has passed. I don't mean to belittle what Todd Collins accomplished, but that was 2 years ago, and Collins was playing in an offense he had mastered over 7 years as Al Saunders’ protege. He was primed.

JC17 has undeniably steadily improved since that time.

How 'bout we give JC17 2 years under the same coach for once and see what happens?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

AWWWWW IS SUMONES FELLINGS HURT CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS CAPS!!!!!

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

SORRY MY EYES ARENT AS GOOD AS YUR GUYS SO TALK SH*T CAUSE OF ONE MANS DISABILITY

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout we give JC17 2 years under the same coach for once and see what happens?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Love it, more excuses. Pennington needed two weeks in Miami to take them to the playoffs. Ryan and Flacco anyone? but I know I know, he needs olineman and a system and receivers and blah blah blah

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"How 'bout we give JC17 2 years under the same coach for once and see what happens?


Posted by: Alan4 "

Got no problem with that. All you JC fanboys are way too defensive. I don't think we should draft a QB this year. Never said we should have. I hope he dominates next year and wins 5 Superbowls.

But I wouldn't count on anything like that.


I wonder....last year weren't people complaining about our FO telling potential head coaches that they HAD to use JC as their starting QB? I seem to remember that (could be wrong).

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, Brad Johnson has won more Super Bowls than Pennington, Ryan, and Flacco combined. What's your point?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

RI, we need fresh meat. Perhaps a meatloaf story from a potential rookie free agent signing?

Posted by: CTSkins | April 22, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

All Godz's Quarterbacks need O-Line protction..

Posted by: frak | April 22, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Look, even if I agreed we should trade Portis, and I don't, it's impossible without a huge cap hit:

Clinton Portis:

3/1/2004: Signed an eight-year, $50.5 million contract.

The deal contains $17 million in bonuses, including a $9.3 million "signing bonus" in 2008.

Portis' 2009 salary is guaranteed, as well as $4.4 million of his 2010 salary.

2009: $745,000
2010: $7.1905 million
2011: $8.254 million
2012-2013: $8.5 million
2014: Free Agent

Cap charges:
$9.9785 million (2009)
$11.042 million (2010)
$12.1055 million (2011)

From Rotoworld:
http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=nfl&id=94

If my math is right (and it probably isn't), trading Portis would count $14,445,000 against the cap after the remaining guaranteed bonuses and salaries were added up.

Posted by: countystyle | April 22, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, Brad Johnson has won more Super Bowls than Pennington, Ryan, and Flacco combined. What's your point?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

my point is that reading defenses, making quick decisions, challenging D's, making the back shoulder throw, taking chances, going deep, quick release, and being accurate doesn't change based on the system. I'm real happy that he threw 6 picks, that's great, but INTs can be deceiving, if he throws a 45 yard bomb on 3rd and 5 and its picked how much worse is that than a punt? if a ball is tipped up in the air and picked how it that the QBs fault? Yards and TDs are more important certainly you don't want a QB who throws a ton of bad picks but just saying he doesn't throw a lot of INTs as a defense for him is misleading. he also makes very very few big plays with his arm.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Our Defense is top 5 truth, I wouldnt say it is great. We dont create enough havoc. We are solid, not great.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 22, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Love it, more excuses. Pennington needed two weeks in Miami to take them to the playoffs. Ryan and Flacco anyone? but I know I know, he needs olineman and a system and receivers and blah blah blah

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 22, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse


Right zj; I guess you would have cut Aikman after one season, or Steve McNair, or Matt Hasselbeck or Eli Manning

...or any other of the dozen QBs that developed in a system over the course of a couple seasons before they led teams to playoffs and Superbowl victories.

You really do come from the Snyder School of Football...

Posted by: p1funk | April 22, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

beep beep....updating with the live presser.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | April 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Truth, w’all get it….you think JC17 ain’t gittin er done….those of us-all that “have such a crush” on JC17 aren’t saying we should keep him around no matter what because he’s a nice guy. I think you could sum up most of the JC17 “supporters” up here with the following statement;

“The front office may have actually done the right thing by not extending his contract yet. It is now totally up to him and how he performs in the 2009 season before a decision should be warranted whether to keep him around or not. If he plays well and shows further improvement, yeah re-sign the guy. If he sjk’s the bed, then seeya later.”

Most everyone up here roots for the uniform, not the player. In JC’s and CP’s case those of us “arguing” to keep them around say so for many reasons; other greater needs, JC should get one more year, let’s see what they can do behind a better O-line, etc. Not because of a blind fanboy mancrush. Get over it. We all loved Rypien in 91, but when he started throwing grounders to the wideouts, we all knew it was time to go.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 22, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and Danny on now......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 22, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

ok country now i can understand that good research and post ty for that bit of knowledge but that goes to show how idiotic our fo can be because to give him allthat money through 2014 is rediculous he will barel be able 2 walk in 2014 so we then spend and trade away our future to get him with no way of getting anything in return:(

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 22, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"Pennington needed two weeks in Miami to take them to the playoffs."

Yet for 8 seasons in New York, he was tortured for not being a "franchise QB" (meaning all-world, 4500 yards, 84 TDs a season). Funny how you use the exact example of why you shouldn't trade a QB like Campbell to attempt to prove your point.

Posted by: psps23 | April 22, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, aren't you tired of the QB merry-go-round? Some QBs light it up early, many don't. Hasselbeck, in his 3rd year in the NFL, was worse than JC17. That was Hasselebeck's first year with Zorn, and he got pulled in favor of Trent Dilfer for awhile and was sported a QB Rating around 70 that year.

Instead of giving up on him, Zorn actually spent time *coaching* him (!!) and improving his techniques (!!!). I know that sounds bizarre to a Skins fan, but giving Hasselbeck time to *develop* allowed him to become a 3 time Pro-Bowler! When Snyder hired Zorn, it was kind of implied by management there would be some time spend with him developing JC17. One year is not enough.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If Mack is a once in a generation player at center/guard (earlier post talked about him being referred to as the best center propect in 10 years), you take him. Steve Hutchinson was talked about similarly in 2001, but wasn't taken until the 17th pick because he was a guard. He will be in the HOF. I remember this draft because I was screaming at my TV when we took the great Rod Gardner instead of Hutchinson at 15.

Posted by: CTSkins
_____________________

Right on. It's hilarious how some people are stuck on him not being graded to be picked at 13, so we can't choose him there. What's he graded at by most experts, 20? 23? How many eventual superstars or HOF'ers were graded low in the first round or in lower rounds, and how many busts or mediocre players were graded high? Those grades are absolutely not any kind of scientific prediction of success.

I do hope one of the top 4 OT's falls to 13 but if not, this is the guy (after trying to trade down for him 1st). If I can't get an OT after him in R3 or whatever, maybe I supplement OT with an FA for a year.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 22, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, Brad Johnson has won more Super Bowls than Pennington, Ryan, and Flacco combined. What's your point?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 22, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You guys bring up johnson, Big ben, trent dilfer, etc... as super bowl QBs but you failt to mention that they played with the very best defense in the league that season. The best, not 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Yes, the Skins defense was good last year and ranked 4th overall but how many points did the D put up? How many sacks, or turnonvers did they create. How many points did they generate. The bucs defense took the ball away from other teams, the Ravens scored more points on defense and ST than their opponents did in multiple games. So my point is that argument is weak.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 22, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Crappy OL :
Pitt CHECK
Washington CHECK

Great QB :
Pitt CHECK
Washington

Yall are way too loyal to JC. I liked the draft pick and I like him as a person and I'll admit he's an average NFL QB. But he ain't getting it done.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 22, 2009

Franchise QBs do not grow on trees. You don't just go out and draft someone until "you get it" Danny boy. You develop them. You give them ONE OFFENSIVE system to grow with (Peyton Manning, etc.). The **OLD** Redskins used to draft a QB in the 1st every other year. Yet they had Sonny. And their records were terrible, and yes they blamed Sonny. Then they got a defense, an offensive line and a real running back ....

You have to have a supporting cast. One impact player (Haynesworth) does not a defense make. What happens if he goes down?

So, you think the OL is crappy in Pittsburgh eh? Doesn't matter much since every OL in the BEAST is younger and better than the Skin's but okay let's see ...


Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Lets assume all the guys "we" would want are off the board and we are sitting at 13. Just because Redskins don't need Moreno, or Wells, or Maualuga to a lesser extent, doesn't mean somebody sitting at say 20-25 would not want to come up and get Moreno ahead of the other teams in the running back market.

LOVE to see us move back and get Mack and another pick. It would be the best move, and there are teams with LOTS of picks who just may be willing to come up and get their guy at the top of the second tier at 13.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 22, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

MAX Starks LT Pittsburgh Steelers
AGE: 27. HT: 6'8" WT: 345 EXP: 6 years.
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 72

Comment: Starks can handle himself as a starting tackle on either side. He has tremendous size and height, gigantic hands and very long arms. He has good balance and body control, but because of his height and average knee-bend he has trouble playing low. He can be pushed back by powerful defensive ends who get under his pads. He hasn't been a strong finisher or shown much of a nasty streak, though he has made strides in this area. He isn't a quick-twitch player and he has just ordinary downfield speed. He's limited in space and struggles to recover when he loses position.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Willie Colon, RT Pittsburgh Steelers.
AGE: 26HT: 6'3", WT: 315 lbs.

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 66

Comment: As tackles go, Colon is shorter and squattier than ideal and doesn't have the prerequisite agility and quickness out of his stance. He has only played the position a short time at this level and has progressed since entering the league. While he is a wide-bodied guard type, he isn't the road grader you would expect, but is athletic enough to get downfield and strike a smaller moving target. He should pull and trap well as a guard. His strength is okay, but he doesn't unload his hips and punish defenders as much as he should on a regular basis. Pure speed rushers gave him a more difficult time than power defensive ends. For now, his technique is raw and he can improve his awareness of picking up blitzers and stunts. He is a quick learner and should adapt to guard quickly. He should be a valuable and versatile lineman for his entire career.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Snidely Owl just said that PATIENCE is one of the lessons of going through ten drafts has taught him. I didn't think that word was in his vocabulary. I wonder if he knows the meaning of the word.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 22, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The two guards for the Steelers are both under 25 years old Talent. How old are the Redskins starters at those positions? How much upside do you think the young Steeler have compared to a Randy Thomas or even a Samuels at this point? Age makes a difference. The only 30 year old on that line is the center Hartwig.

Sorry, but the Steeler's appear to make your assessment appear to be more than a tad incorrect? Apparently that last couple of years they needed to get young fast on that line. It looks like they were right now doesn't it?

If anything the Redskins need to have the BEST OL because that is now their mantra, their claim to fame. Not the great franchise QB, but the great franchise HOF Offensive line. Is it not?

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

LOVE to see us move back and get Mack and another pick. It would be the best move, and there are teams with LOTS of picks who just may be willing to come up and get their guy at the top of the second tier at 13.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 22, 2009

They need lots of young offensive offensive linemen if they want to be like a Pittsburgh or to even just compete in the BEAST. So, yeah that would be great to do ... if Vinny and company would actually draft those folks. Plus a couple of LB's and a DE type. They need to get young fast on the offensive line.

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

years ago, and Collins was playing in an offense he had mastered over 7 years as Al Saunders’ protege. He was primed.

And as soon as he got to the playoffs against Seattle they managed to fluster, frustrate and flush Collins didn't they? Its not like Seattle had the best "D" going in. They looked at the film and exploited his weaknesses even in that offense that he knew backward-and-forward. Mistakes and interceptions were the result

Posted by: periculum | April 22, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

And as soon as he got to the playoffs against Seattle they managed to fluster, frustrate and flush Collins didn't they?
______
Well if Collins was so flustered why did the Skins have the lead in the 3rd quarter??


Its not like Seattle had the best "D" going in.
_______
They had a good Dee but more important they had the 12th man. The fans are crazy there. Seattle didn't lose one home game that year...

They looked at the film and exploited his weaknesses even in that offense that he knew backward-and-forward. Mistakes and interceptions were the result.
___
The interception happened because Moss never saw the ball.. The 2nd interception happened because it was late in the game, the Skins were down by 2 scores and Collins had to force the ball. But what we do know is the Skins were a better team when Collins became QB. You have to wonder if Collins have started a few weeks earlier and the Skins therefore had a better record than the Giants.. the Skins would have played an easier TB instead. Than Dallas who the Skins had just beat.. Then??? Well makes you wonder...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 22, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

First no long term contract for Campbell, then Snyder tried to trade for Cutler, then Snyder worked out Leftwich, now snyder is looking to draft Sanchez.. Only thing we know for certain is the Skins don't think Campbell is the future. That's why there should be an OPEN COMPETITION for QB this year.. give ALL 3 QB's a chance to be the starter.. let the best man win. I never thought much of Campbell.. but Colt was impressive last summer. Give him a SHOT at being the starter THIS YEAR!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | April 22, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

periculum: "And as soon as he got to the playoffs against Seattle they managed to fluster, frustrate and flush Collins didn't they? Its not like Seattle had the best "D" going in. They looked at the film and exploited his weaknesses even in that offense that he knew backward-and-forward. Mistakes and interceptions were the result"

A vast oversimplification, as usual. Some things about the Seattle game that didn't get a mention:
1) The Seahawks were one of the best pressure-the-QB teams in football that year. They stuffed the run (total 75 yards) and pressured Collins the entire game, with 3 sacks. Despite the pressure, he completed 58% for 266 yards (9.2 a pass).
2) The Seattle offense started strong, going up 13-0 before Washington scored. Collins through 2 TD passes to take a one point lead.
3) Seattle was playing at home, where they had a 7-1 record, second only to NE's that year. The following week the Seahawks went to Chicago and got their helmets handed to them.
4) Not that it matters, but Washington actually outgained Seattle, and had a 21-14 edge in first downs.

A loss is still a loss. But to pin it on Collins is a mistake. He got them there despite losing 6 (count them, 6) starters to injury, including the starting QB. Whatever they paid the guy that year, he earned it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 22, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

if and until the O-line is addressed with seriousness rather than bandaids, it'll be like running any qb through a wood chipper.

Posted by: mdrockjock | April 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I would actually prefer if we trade some of next year's picks to get more this year. A lot could be accomplished with an additional 1st or 2nd or 3rd rd pick. We could pick hopefully take Mauluaga with 13, then any combination of C/G/T. I think all 4 elite tackles are gone by 13, but Britton and Beatty will be there late first, early 2nd and all the top C/G will be there. Maybe one of the teams with two picks in the first won't want the second (Det, Buf (cash could be a problem)or Den(would probably prefer more picks).

Also would love to see the Skins take Ramses Barden from Cal Poly in 4th or 5th round. He's 6'6" and set all kinds of D-IAA. We need a possession receiver. He clearly has talent on film and he's worth the chance.

Posted by: brian58 | April 22, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Personal Observation..

I believe Sanchez has nothing to do with needing an elite QB (if he is one).. If Sanchez played for the Oregon Ducks with the same skills and stats Dan wouldnt give him a second notice..

Sanchez represents "Hollywood". You might recall the media buzz and partying around Leinert. USC is long considered the Hollywood college in the Westwood LA area. Sanchez is just another cog in what seems to be Dan's quest to be considered a "celebrity" and/or hang out with the same.
Its called buying influence..

If Jason Taylor had never become such a Hollywood recognized personality (Dancing with the Stars winner) Snyder never would of considered him for picks last year. Remember what he did the previous year, when Gibbs took control of personnel.. He bought into Tom Cruise's film production company. With Snyder's investment in United Artists, Cruise and Kate became an "instant buddies" showing up at the games sitting next to Dan..etc.
further evidence..recall most recently, Dan and Portis found in Vegas hanging out with some A and B level celeb's....

Here's a passage from the Las Vegas Review Journal, via ESPN 980's Sports Reporters:

Spotted....at N9NE Steakhouse (Palms) on Saturday: [Hugh] Hefner, celebrating his 83rd birthday with girlfriends Karissa and Kristina Shannon and Crystal Harris and "Girls Next Door" Kendra (with her NFL boyfriend Hank Baskett) and Bridget, Eva Longoria, Jamie Foxx, Joe Don Rooney of Rascal Flatts, and Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder with star running back Clinton Portis.
(close quote)

So we draft USC's Sanchez and the Redskins schedule a few Redskins "home games" in football starved LA at the Coliseum?? Snyder gets a foot in the door with the NFL to have a vested share in LA's next franchise.

Dan needs to grow out of his "Hollywood celeb wanna be syndrome" that seems to influence his "GM decisions".. Or, get a real GM like he did with a real coach (Gibbs) and then step aside and "go Hollywood" without us.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Please please DO NOT waste a pick on DIRTY Sanchez. This team can win now - hence bringing Haynesworth in. But we need BIG, FAT LINEMEN. Honestly, Collins is still the best QB of current bunch and definitely Sanchez. This guy is going to be a huge bust. There hasn't been a good high drafted QB since Matt Ryan - and that is not the norm. Campbell is not the answer - I think Colt could be if given a chance. But don't waste the draft picks and cap space on 16-start USC QB - why not just get Leinart on the cheap???

Posted by: ar652 | April 22, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Might as well trade any draft picks they still have. They never do squat with them anyway. Shouldn't the Redskins be eligable for something under the toxic assets bailout plan for all of the players SnideSir\SirRotto have traded the farm for in the past.

Posted by: barham56 | April 23, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company