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Cerrato 'Disappointed' by Taylor's Decision

Jason Reid reports:

Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, was surprised and "disappointed, totally disappointed" that Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor declined to participate in the offseason workout program at Redskins Park, prompting the team to release him yesterday.

The Redskins cut the high-priced Taylor after he balked at owner Daniel Snyder's request to have a workout clause added to his contract that would have resulted in the four-time all-pro performer receiving a $500,000 bonus if he took part in 75 percent of the conditioning program scheduled to begin March 16 at the complex. Taylor, who makes his year-round home in Miami, would have made $8 million during the final year of his contract next season - not including a $500,000 roster bonus he was scheduled to receive this week.

But Taylor did not want to be away from his family again after spending the season by himself in Ashburn, and he was also fed up with the Redskins, league sources said. Taylor switched positions (going to left end after predominantly playing right end), played through the pain of injuries, twice underwent surgical procedures and did not mesh well with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, who apparently was not in favor of the Redskins acquiring Taylor because he did not fit the team's defensive scheme, team and league sources said.

"The thing was, we talked to his agent, talked to Jason," Cerrato said today at Redskins Park. "Dan and I flew down [to Miami], had dinner with him a couple of weeks ago, [and] told him we wanted him to work out up here 75 percent of the time. And it's not a lot.

"It's 39 workouts to make 75 percent, and 14 of 'em are mandatory with the OTAs [organized team activities] and the minicamps. So it was 25 workouts in 13 weeks. He could come on Tuesday, worked out Wednesday, work out early Thursday and fly home. He'd just have to be here Tuesday and Wednesday, really."

That was unacceptable to Taylor, in large part, because the Redskins and Taylor's agent, Gary Wichard, had agreed that both sides would honor the final two years of the deal, without any restructuring, before Taylor was traded from Miami to Washington on the first day of training camp last July, sources said.

"Jason has been very professional about everything," Wichard said. "He really respects Dan and Vinny, and that's the way he's going to leave it."

Last offseason, Bill Parcells, then just starting as Miami's executive vice president of football operations, was displeased that Taylor decided to spend much of the previous offseason participating on "Dancing With The Stars" in Los Angeles instead of being with the team in Miami. Cerrato cited Taylor's participation on the TV show among the reasons Snyder wanted Taylor in Ashburn for the workout program.

"We felt like to get the best out of him, because he didn't work out all last year, because he was doing dancing" they needed him to be at the complex, Cerrato said. "And that's what Bill had the problem with, because he wasn't in [Miami's] offseason program. We just wanted to get him in shape to make sure that he was in shape."

Cornerback Shawn Springs, released last Friday in a salary-cap move, did not participate in the workout program at the complex, preferring to train in Arizona. "People say, 'What about Shawn Springs?' But Shawn went to Arizona to work out, not at his home. He [Taylor] just wanted to stay home with his kids."
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Jason La Canfora reports that Springs, released Friday in a cap-savings move, is in Philadelphia meeting with the Eagles. He also visited New England on his free-agent tour and Houston and New Orleans are options as well, a league source said.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 3, 2009; 8:04 PM ET
 
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Bye bye JT...thanks for nothing!

I heard the Snyder quote tonight on 980 on the way home. What an embarrasment. Even if he didn't really understand this...keep quiet about it. Really isn't he a communications expert?

Did anyone hear the interview tonight on the radio with Deangelo Hall? Szabe totally ambushed him about his past in Atlanta and Oakland. Way to celebrate his signing. Look he's 25 years old and since he has been here he has kept his mouth shut and played some good ball. Give the man a chance already

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I am first!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's FIRST sign Kendall and DEvans, then we can fill is some holes.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

F1rst

Posted by: Lipty | March 3, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Can I workout in Ashburn for half a mil? Heck, just give me $100K, and I'll be there!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Everyone thinks the Skins management is a total mess. Anyone look at what is going on recently in Tampa Bay and Denver? Tell me how Philly's D is going to be with out Dawkins? Dallas is still a wreck.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I heard the Snyder quote tonight on 980 on the way home. What an embarrasment. Even if he didn't really understand this...keep quiet about it. Really isn't he a communications expert?

What was Snyder's quote?

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | March 3, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't anyone calling b*lls**t on this story? Cerrato and Taylor's agent are friends. The Redskins said they wouldn't restructure Taylor's contract, but that was before Haynesworth. Now, they can't afford him. So, they agree to make some issue of something or other where Taylor gets to pretend he's still worth 8 million dollars. No, actually 8.5 million! Am I just being a cynic? How about you reporters pretend to be journalists and try to find out the truth? Or at least address that it's a possibility. The story as it stands is COMPLETELY LUDICROUS. How can anyone print this with a straight face?

Posted by: filmjoy | March 3, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I heard the Snyder quote tonight on 980 on the way home. What an embarrasment. Even if he didn't really understand this...keep quiet about it. Really isn't he a communications expert?

What was Snyder's quote?

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | March 3, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse
He said he finally figured out that you shouldn't give a 7-year contract to a 33 year old player. 7 year contracts should go to 26 year olds.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey filmjoy, no one is calling bs on this story because Taylor pulled the same bs last offseason. The exact same bs just with a different excuse.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Which players would fit better in Blanche's defensive scheme at DE and SLB?

The Skins need to draft or sign a gap control DE and a TE covering SLB who can both (fire zone) blitz...

Posted by: siris | March 3, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Still_Hope_Kendall_Returns_32671.jsp

Looks like Pete Kendall should be back.

He'll be good back-up and insurance for R. Thomas.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

He'll be last and least ... I suspect they will wait until after the draft. They have until just before the draft to decide if they want to pursue some RFA's.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO Dude, are you always wrong?!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Why is this Taylor story still an issue? He's gone, time to move on. And how do you call a player a true professional when after having the most disappointing yr of his career turns right back around and refuses to participate in workouts that would only make him better and familiarize him more with the D? If I refuse to do any overtime at my job, I doubt my boss will be calling me a true professional..

Posted by: ga8085 | March 3, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

FROM THE USA TODAY...DAN SNYDER SPEAKS:

Snyder insists that Haynesworth's signing — complemented by a $55 million deal to keep cornerback DeAngelo Hall and a $27 million contract to bring back guard Derrick Dockery— reflects a new approach.

"We've learned our lesson," Snyder said. "This is not the old ways at all. This is what I should have done a long time ago. He's a very young man.

"I've learned that you don't do a seven-year contract with a player that's 33. You do it when he's 27. That's the big difference."

Snyder said he's also learned why there's such a premium on certain players.

"If you look at the Reggie Whites and Warren Sapps, the dominating D-tackle is probably a harder find," Snyder says, "than the pass rushers on the edge."

Funny that he should mention Sapp. The former all-pro, now a fledgling NFL Network analyst, was openly critical of Haynesworth last season. Sapp studied the tape from Tennessee's victory at Baltimore in October, and concluded that Haynesworth wasn't worthy of early MVP talk after failing to dominate Ravens second-year guard Ben Grubbs.

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Very enlightening, younger guys are better to sign than older guys....Wow! Thank god we are learning!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I heard the Snyder quote tonight on 980 on the way home. What an embarrasment. Even if he didn't really understand this...keep quiet about it. Really isn't he a communications expert?

It sounds to me like he was making fun of himself. What's wrong with that?

Posted by: tparrish1 | March 3, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"He said he finally figured out that you shouldn't give a 7-year contract to a 33 year old player. 7 year contracts should go to 26 year olds.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009"

Already posted in the last two threads.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is not going to sign Kendall or Evans. At least not yet. He does appear to be following his new mantra of going after FA's who are well under 30 based on what has occurred at the beginning of the FA period.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Everyone thinks the Skins management is a total mess. Anyone look at what is going on recently in Tampa Bay and Denver? Tell me how Philly's D is going to be with out Dawkins? Dallas is still a wreck.


Posted by: redlotparty

I would also - to a degree - throw in Baltimore. According to reports, Chris Mcalister met with Harbaugh and they discussed how much they looked forward to the new season and working together. Almost as soon as McAlister left Harbaugh's office, he was summoned to meet with Ozzie Newsome and released. Bizarre. And now Samari Rolle is saying he wants out of Baltimore because he does not feel wanted there.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Funny that he should mention Sapp. The former all-pro, now a fledgling NFL Network analyst, was openly critical of Haynesworth last season. Sapp studied the tape from Tennessee's victory at Baltimore in October, and concluded that Haynesworth wasn't worthy of early MVP talk after failing to dominate Ravens second-year guard Ben Grubbs.

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Very enlightening, younger guys are better to sign than older guys....Wow! Thank god we are learning!

Posted by: redlotparty

Well, Sapp must have changed his tune because he praised Haynesworth on Inside the NFL and also on the NFL Network.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yo!

I know most of you guys don't watch 24 anymore, BUT.....

I just watched yesterday's 2 hour epiosode and that joint was off the Hoook!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins is a real see you next Tuesday.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I would also - to a degree - throw in Baltimore. According to reports, Chris Mcalister met with Harbaugh and they discussed how much they looked forward to the new season and working together. Almost as soon as McAlister left Harbaugh's office, he was summoned to meet with Ozzie Newsome and released. Bizarre. And now Samari Rolle is saying he wants out of Baltimore because he does not feel wanted there.

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Lisa, I totally agree on Baltimore...throw in Jim Leonard too...he was very under rated safety IMO...good punt returner too!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Talk about FO's that are a mess. One was just in the Super Bowl. The Cardinals FO is a mess. They don't seem to know how to treat their players or coaches. Won't sign Warner (or Warner won't sign, haggling over dollars), won't cut Edge (yet), won't pay released coaches their Super Bowl bonuses, the Boldin ugliness last year...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

When we get to the Super Bowl under this tyranny, then compare us to the Cardinals FO. Until then - fire Vinny, Impeach Danny Boy

Posted by: myskinsr1 | March 3, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Already posted in the last two threads.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I know that, peric. Someone asked the question of what Snyder had said. I just told them.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN article on Cutler - "Not only was he the NFL's third-most productive passer last season, but he has spent three years in a West Coast scheme ...". Let's see:

1. Alienation of affection between Cutler and Broncs
2. Broncs tried once to dump, could try again - would like to have Cassel
3. Cutler has good passing stats and a live arm
4. Cutler knows WCO - has 3 yrs experience

Skins are probably content to go with JC for another year to see what develops, even though JC isn't a prototypical WC QB. If JC doesn't work out, given the way the Skins have been spending, it is doubtful they would have the patience to go back to Square 1 and start over with another rookie QB like Sam Bradford, but some first year guys like Matt Ryan have been immediate successes. In spite of all the Skins' current spending, what will determine if they can be a solid playoff team is what happens at QB. Incidentally, the ESPN article that the quote comes from documents how in their own quiet, inobtrusive way the Vikes have outspent Danny Boy over the last 2 years to the tune of a $450 million outlay for players' salaries. Did not get any big time pub because for the most part the money was fairly evenly distributed over a number of players.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that QB is the Skins' issue. I would like to see JC behind a decent line. Let's give him some receivers who are open too.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

In this economy, why wouldn't someone be willing to earn an extra $500 K by flying in once/week for two days at a time for 13 weeks. I drove to Phila and back 3-4 days/week for a few years, lived in hotels, went to dinner by myself, while my wife was at home alone with three small kids, just so I could support my family. And I was only making $68 K at the time. Screw Jason Taylor - who needs him.

Posted by: Redman2 | March 3, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's not easy to find Reggie White or Warren Sapp -- especially if a team throws away its draft picks and has an inept GM.

As far as Sapp goes, by the time he was a free agent he was past his prime.

White still had some years left in the tank, which is amazing since he was actually in his early 30s when he left for Green Bay, but anyone who compares Haynesmworth to White is smoking something.

Haynesworth is good -- and a great run stopper but he not $100+, $40 mill. guaranteed good. That's a huge commitment. Reggie White was the complete package -- a guy who could play inside and out with equal strength. Haynesworth may even be a little stronger against the run, but White was a much better pass rusher. What's more White brought the intangibles -- he was a great presence in the locker room. A real team leader -- a very unselfish player. He stayed healthy too.

When will the Dan ever learn? When will he ever learn?

The thing that keeps Dan from being the worst owner in the league is that he is willing to pay through the nose for talent.

The thing that limits his upside is his love for Vinny, which knows no limits; and his understanding of the game, which is more advanced than when he first came into the league, but still not confidence inspiring.

Yeah, its good to sign young free agents -- especially to plug in holes, and especially if you can find value for them. But by the time a player is a free agent much of the chaff has been separated from the wheat. It takes real talent to build through the draft -- especially in the early to mid-rounds. That's where value regularly slips through (thanks to people like Vinny C.); that's where the better teams typically build.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse


"1. Alienation of affection between Cutler and Broncs
2. Broncs tried once to dump, could try again - would like to have Cassel
3. Cutler has good passing stats and a live arm
4. Cutler knows WCO - has 3 yrs experience"

Started only part of a season. Not really worth the salary he would ask and the Redskins salary cap probably couldn't afford. Would want to be guaranteed starter from day one.

Not even ...

There are far better alternatives.

Noting that Patrick Ramsay, who was also a member of that team is an unrestricted free agent. He had some fairly good games for the Redskins ... some key wins. Why not sign him then?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that QB is the Skins' issue. I would like to see JC behind a decent line. Let's give him some receivers who are open too.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:00 PM |

In a WCO you don't need a OL that can hold their blocks ad infinitum but you do need a QB like a Manning or a Brady who can check down their options real quick and find the best receiver target.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that QB is the Skins' issue. I would like to see JC behind a decent line. Let's give him some receivers who are open too.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009"

There are seem to be "fans" clamoring almost as much for Cutler as Orapko conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room ... "your offensive line is depleted" -- straight from Terrell Suggs.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"In a WCO you don't need a OL that can hold their blocks ad infinitum but you do need a QB like a Manning or a Brady who can check down their options real quick and find the best receiver target.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009"

Another foolish fan ala Danny and Vinnie.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Ummm....I don't think we have a WCO anyway. Zorn wanted one but adapted and gave the ball to Portis.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Redman,
500k doesn't make that much of a difference to a guy who has made the kind of money he has in his life. To you and me that money is huge but not to a guy like him, not condoning what he did, I too think it is absurd, but I also think both sides wanted a separation.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 3, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO Dude, are you always wrong?!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

Stick your head in your diaper genie baby ...

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"And now Samari Rolle is saying he wants out of Baltimore because he does not feel wanted there.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009"

Probably wants to go to the Jets ... but I wager the Skins could get him to come here ...

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

JPRS, you make a convincing argument that Hayneworth is no Reggie White. But I would respond by saying he's better than anyone else the Skins considered putting in that position. And I don't care about the money. Did they give up any draft picks? No. Did they fill a need? Yes. If they keep doing that going forward, all I can say is HTTR!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

periculum, completely agree. We had the 4th best D with crummy JT, Washington doing nothing and Springs hurt. We added the best DT in the game. Even if our D is not 4th in the league next year (we may actually be even better than 4th!) and somehow slipped to 8th.....if we focus on our real problem...off. line and scoring some points....we will have a championship team.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Lisa, I totally agree on Baltimore...throw in Jim Leonard too...he was very under rated safety IMO...good punt returner too!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009"

Seems like the Jets new coach is pecking away at the Ravens defense. Wants some of his boys at his side.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

JPRS, you make a convincing argument that Hayneworth is no Reggie White. But I would respond by saying he's better than anyone else the Skins considered putting in that position. And I don't care about the money. Did they give up any draft picks? No. Did they fill a need? Yes. If they keep doing that going forward, all I can say is HTTR!

Posted by: Alan4

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Amen brother!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Alright I like resigning Kendall, and Evans. Evans was our best Dlineman last year and immediately starts at Left D-end. Kendall gives us depth. Gotta sign an OLB and it should be Angelo Crowell from the Bills who also immediately starts with Fletch and Rocky. Blades gives us depth and I say resign Khary Campbell for Special Teams and depth. I dont know much about the FA crop of Olinemen but it looks like either Oher or Smith will be available at 13 and one of them immediately starts at RT. All your problems pretty much solved. Although picking up another DE would be nice. Maybe Mitch King, the White Boy from Iowa. That is very do-able

Posted by: jeffco01 | March 3, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Agree, QB is not the isse, ever since JC relieved Brunell. His first pass, a 50 yard bomb, hit his reciver in the hands in stride. Of course, blloyd dropped it like it was gonna hurt him. Continued good riddance to that lil b!tch.

If you had 20-25 mil in the bank, 500k would not convince you to hang out in Virginia vice Miami with your family. Not that it matters, this was a face saving move for everybody. JT was the best move at the time in the face of a horrible development: 2 DE down in the first two training camp practices. Parcells bent Snyder over to get a second and a sixth because he could. If JT stays healthy, its a a medium move...he gets hurt, never gets going as he struggled back (LIKE A WARRIOR, give him props for that) and it turns out terrible. In the stock market, the first loss is the best loss. Snyder took his loss on JT and can now attempt to get some other YOUNGER bodies. JT can move on, too. He is not a LE and Carter ain't going anywhere.

How is this Willis cat from Seattle? Sign him, lose Jansen and eat his cap hit now that JT is not consuming that 8.5? May as well. You updgrade overall, keep Heyer as b/u and then have options at 13 as you don't HAVE to go OT. Still need a DE/LB... Orakpo? Or trade back and get 2 or 3 bodies for the 13. This ain't over yet... lets see what develops.

One thing i DO KNOW, ri won't have the story before anybody else, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 3, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I would much rather have Ramsey than Collins right now. MUCH MUCH MUCH rather.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 3, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The Willis guy from what i have read is a lot like Heyer and I think they would compete for RT. I like the idea of Orakpo at 13 if he is still available, he could fill the need of both SLB and DE depending on our defensive package.
Is there any reason why Samuels could not play RT? and then plug in Smith or Oher(if that is the way we go) at LT?

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 3, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

In a WCO you don't need a OL that can hold their blocks ad infinitum but you do need a QB like a Manning or a Brady who can check down their options real quick and find the best receiver target.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 10:14 PM

Maybe true but it can't look like a jailbreak evrytime the ball is snapped.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Is there any reason why Samuels could not play RT? and then plug in Smith or Oher(if that is the way we go) at LT?

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 3, 2009 10:34 PM |

I could be wrong but I think the RT is usually the bigger of the 2 so Samuels may be just a little small. I could be wrong though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh

Dude! I hope you're not making the argument that the Skins should even consider Cutler.

Cutler = Jeff George.

Let's not.

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the Jets new coach is pecking away at the Ravens defense. Wants some of his boys at his side.

Posted by: periculum

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What is amazing is that both Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard had more tackles individually than Terrell Suggs. The Ravens let their 2nd and 3rd leading tacklers go to the Jets and still don't have Ray Ray signed yet.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

N Oreason Samuels could nto play RT, but I think it would be good to leave him over there at LT and let the new kid (if we go that way) work in at RT. New kid would be called on more to power run block from RT vice protect blind side at LT. I figure the Willis cat is no WORSE than Jansen, and is 10 years younger.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 3, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

filmjoy is right, the 'story' is total BS. Not that it matters, but of course it was all about money.

The only story is why these guys felt a need to make stuff up.

Clearly Taylor isn't worth $8.5 million. And his family time, while perhaps important, isn't worth walking away from that big a contract.

If he voluntarily walked away from $8.5million, his 'family time' would consist mostly of his wife calling him an idiot ... as any married guy up here would know.

Yeah, the story is BS. Heck, I predicted a month ago that JT would play this season in New England. Blows me away at how many people really believe the 'story'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

The verdict is out on Haynesworth and the Skins. It's good that they aren't giving up picks for a change. And, no one really knows how it goes until he steps on the field.

The salary cap issue isn't a joke though. A lot of guaranteed money there. A lot of money to commit on one player. The commitment to one player means that they have to cut corners somewhere -- and usually that's depth. It's a high risk, low-probability move. They're committing 15+ percent of their salary cap to one guy.

Couldn't they have done it for 10 percent with say 35 mill guaranteed? Were they expecting crazy Al Davis to get into a bidding war or something? (A long shot after he put down the big dollars on the great Nnamdi Asomugha and the punter Lechler, LOL). Couldn't they have done the deal for $75 mill. with half guaranteed and some incentives?

Even that is ridiculous, but I think management got carried away. That 5 percent could be used for another front line starter. Even better, they could have used a few mill. to get a real GM.

Sure, I hope they prove me wrong. Percentagewise though this seems like a recipe for .500 football.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

There are far better alternatives.

Noting that Patrick Ramsay, who was also a member of that team is an unrestricted free agent. He had some fairly good games for the Redskins ... some key wins. Why not sign him then?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 10:14 PM |

I ain't saying Cutler is the answer. But there are more than a few that are wondering if JC is the answer so it isn't beyond the realm of reasonableness to run thought experiments as to what alternatives there are. BTW, Patrick Ramsay ain't one of them. His failure to release makes JC look like Quick Draw McGraw.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh

This time, I gotta agree with you. I used to be a big fan of Ramsey, but that guy is damaged goods.

Posted by: edvar | March 3, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Is there any reason why Samuels could not play RT? and then plug in Smith or Oher(if that is the way we go) at LT?

Posted by: theFreshinAU | March 3, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse
It might make sense to keep Samuels at LT for another year or 2, then move him. Let the young draft pick learn the league at RT, then if possible move him to LT as Samuels ages.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I would much rather have Ramsey than Collins right now. MUCH MUCH MUCH rather.


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 3, 2009 10:34 PM |

A good two thirds of the time Patrick Ramsey was under center he was curling up into the fetal position or frozen like a deer in headlights. I don't think you could get Ramsey back here for triple what he makes now... he probably still has nightmares of his time in the Burgandy and Gold.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 3, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

JC is the answer for this year. If he performs well...he will need to be re-signed...if he doesn't goodbye JC. Next year is the year we possibly look for a new QB...not this one! My hope is we rebuild the line and he performs the way Gibbs thought and Zorn think he can.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Terps lose by 2....can you say NIT?

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

In a WCO you don't need a OL that can hold their blocks ad infinitum but you do need a QB like a Manning or a Brady who can check down their options real quick and find the best receiver target.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 10:14 PM

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If you need a future HOF QB to run the WCO, I wonder why anytime would run it

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 3, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Must be late I meant any team.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 3, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, bottom line is that JC is the Skins QB. The team has committed to him.

When a team goes out and pays max money for a free agent like Haynesworth they are saying that the free agent is a missing piece to an otherwise near complete puzzle.

You can't spend the next year developing a QB with that kind of money committed up-front to a DT.

This is assuming that the Skins FO knows what it's doing.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

JPRS, I understand your concern about the cap. Apart from the obvious problem of scoring that seems to stem from the O-line, there's a common theme on both offense and defense: no big-time game changers. What does it say when a 7th round rook (Horton) steps on the field and immediately becomes your biggest game changer?

We don't need more depth, more mediocrity. THAT'S a recipe for more .500 ball. We need game changers, the RB who's a threat to go all the way every time; the reciever who beats his defender on the regular; the DB who opposing QBs are scared to throw against.

In the good old days, our whole O-line was a game changer. They used to beat people up. Right now, the team's strength is obviously in the defense. If we can field a competent offense (low turnover, move the chains like in the first 8 games last year) and a scary D--one that take's the ball away and hurts people, not just a statistically workmanlike one--that might be our new formula for success.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked we won a few Superbowls without HOF QB's....forget the WCO. Rebuild the line....50 gut, 50 gut, 50 gut.

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

"..twice underwent surgical procedures and did not mesh well with defensive coordinator Greg Blache, who apparently was not in favor of the Redskins acquiring Taylor because he did not fit the team's defensive scheme, team and league sources said."

EXCUSE ME...WHAT PART OF "SHAMBLES" DON'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND??? CAN'T GET ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE HUGE DEFENSIVE SIGNING OF JT WITH THE DEFENSIVE HEAD COACH?!? WHAT, ARE YOU GUYS LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY???...jeeziz...'skins are in DEEP dookie as long as snyder is owner...'Skins have been lacking at DE for the entire time Danny has been in power- at first, Taylor's signing looked pretty good. Now, after hearing the apparent lack of FO teamwork and insight, particularly not respecting Blache's take of Taylor, FO is as big a pack of dummies as can be remembered in a major sports franchise..Designated losers for somebody's NFL account..

Posted by: frak | March 3, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

In the good old days, our whole O-line was a game changer. They used to beat people up. Right now, the team's strength is obviously in the defense. If we can field a competent offense (low turnover, move the chains like in the first 8 games last year) and a scary D--one that take's the ball away and hurts people, not just a statistically workmanlike one--that might be our new formula for success.
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Sort of like the 2000 team that has fans called Baltimorons! And I think JC is a better QB than Dilfer ever was!

Posted by: redlotparty | March 3, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

When has Blache ever been quoted as being against the signing? Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't but "league sources" is not proof.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 3, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey, just a note on one of the comments from the other thread -- specifically, to Megskin. I didn't mean my response in the chat to dismiss your analysis of the defense. I sincerely mean that I'd like to know more of what you're thinking.
And now, to a put up a fresh post...
Posted by: CindyBoren

I didn't take it as dismissive at all. I have some thoughts about the Defense and Blache in particular - sounds like I might need to write something up.

Posted by: Megskin | March 3, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I know Springs visit to Philly has been reported but it really looks like they will sign him. First, the Skins break my heart by releasing my man and now he will be playing for our division rival. Totally sucks.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-188/Springs-scheduled-to-visit-Philly.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Defense is a mentality -- and about a scheme, and, of course talent.

This Skins unit is nowhere close to the 2000 Ravens D. Nowhere near as talented; nowhere near as hungry either.

London Fletcher is a solid MLB, but he's nowhere close to Ray Lewis in 2000. Lewis is one of the best LB's in the history of the game. In 2000 he was in the prime of a hall of fame career.

Sam Adams the DT during his prime was Haynesworth like. Not as good, but no slouch. Tony Siragusa wasn't as good as Cornelius Griffin was in his prime, but Goose in 2000 compared to Griffin now?

Who's the answer on the Skins to McCrary and Adalius Thomas? There is no answer.

At LB Peter Boulware was a 4-time selection in his prime. Jamie Sharper was a solid compliment. Who is the Skins answer at LB to Boulware?

The two secondaries aren't that far apart. If Sean Taylor was still with us, I'd give the nod to the Skins. But at this stage, I'd say it's a wash.

To top it off the Ravens offensive scheme was designed to keep their defense fresh -- they knew that if they could dominate time of possession and field position on offense they'd win -- even if they didn't score TDs (that's a sign of just how good their D was).

They had a really good O-line with a future HOFer at LT in Jonathan Ogden. At RB they had a guy who could eat up chunks of yardage in Jamal Lewis; and an awesome 3rd down back in Priest Holmes.

Their special teams was pretty special.

The Skins mentality is geared towards an offense oriented approach. The coach wants to make the Skins more pass oriented, but doesn't really have the personnel (or at least hasn't found the answer in his 2nd rounders YET -- maybe one will pan out). The RB is a good guy with a lot of mileage on his legs.

The defense has some good players. The offense has some good players. But there's no coherent vision for the team.

Frankly, the team should probably be playing on field turf since the Dan seems intent on modeling his team on the 1999-2000 Rams. He also needs to get a lot more speed. And would probably be well-advised to put a dome over Fed-Ex.

The Skins have the potential to be a good defense, but it's going to take some serious over-achieving for them to be spoken of in the same breath as the '85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-188/Springs-scheduled-to-visit-Philly.html
Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 11:41

Well, that's depressing.

Posted by: will_ga | March 3, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Why have we not won the Super Bowl in 17 years?? Where to begin? Everything should start @ the top #1 Snyder and Cerrato. Beavis and Butt-head could have made better picks in the draft as well as quality affordable free agents i.e. David Thorton, Plaxico Burress Randy Moss just to name a recent few. Not to mention a coaching carousel that organizations such as the Steelers (most Super Bowl wins in the Super Bowl era) can at least count their coaches on 1 hand. Yes the Skins appear to have a decent defense heading into next season. With an aging team however, we probably should expect another 8-8, 9-7 year. O-line injury prone, QB-inconsistent, RB aging, overrated, WR-Moss and maybe Thomas or Kelly steps up. TE At best Cooley & Davis combine for 80 receptions and maybe 7 TD's. Best case scenario on Defense Haynesworth makes the aging Carter Griffin and Taylor a little better BARRING injury. Rogers Smoot and Hall have 15 INT's combined. Horton and Landry come into their own as the best safety duo in the league. Still ROLB and LOLB are questionable. All in all Redskins fans should be skeptical about our chances next year. Bad (or no) drafts and bad free agent signings in the past have given us a team of for the most part Snyder clones-- good businessmen but do they make the grade overall--no of course not.. Not to us the fans

Posted by: davetoobs146 | March 4, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Alan4,

I agree with you about game-changers. The team needs game-changers AND solid, better than average starters.

If you have game changers and below average talent, it's like putting up a Maginot Line. Teams just find away around it. As the cliche goes, a team is only as strong as its weakest link. In the NFL when teams find a weakness they will exploit it mercilessly. As good as Haynesworth is teams will just attack the 145 feet of the field that he can't cover; or they'll attack the field just over his head.

The other thing that gets me: It helps too if the team has a coherent strategy.

I remember a few years ago when Dan talked about how he wanted to make the Skins the Vermeil era Rams. It doesn't seem like he's entirely abandoned those dreams.

OK, if that's the case, you don't play on a grass field. If the goal is to have an offensive oriented attack based on speed; get speed; and put in a track that enhances the team strength.

A grass field is best for smash mouth football, not a finesse WCO game built on speed.

Posted by: JPRS | March 4, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

So did Jason Taylor get a big screen TV curtosy of the owner?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 4, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"Which players would fit better in Blanche's defensive scheme at DE and SLB?"

I'm telling the coach you called him Blanche.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2009 5:13 AM | Report abuse

davetoobs: "Why have we not won the Super Bowl in 17 years??"

Good question. What did the other 21 teams say when you asked them?

Or the five that have never, ever, even been to a Super Bowl?

Up until last season, the Bidwills were widely considered one of the worst ownership groups in the League.

Funny how a Super Bowl appearance changes that.

The question isn't why a team hasn't won the Super Bowl in years. That's easy to explain. The odds are against it, to begin with.

The mystery is how some teams overcome the odds.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2009 5:22 AM | Report abuse

jprs: "This Skins unit is nowhere close to the 2000 Ravens D."

Nobody is. Maybe that one Bears team. Those two defenses stand alone.

The Bears had a much, much better offense, of course. The Ravens were probably the most one sided team in NFL history.

You don't want to model your team on the 2000 Ravens. You want a balanced squad. You'll get to the playoffs more often.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2009 5:27 AM | Report abuse

samson,

Thanks for shutting those two idiots up.

The funny thing was he said 17 years and then contributed them to Snyder, I could be mistaken but Snyder has only owned the team for 10 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Can we actually move on from the JT story, he is gone who gives a sh!t why.

These idiots get no new news, so they have to keep harping on the past.

This is the 3rd story about JT, that pretty much says the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

It sounds to me like neither Taylor nor the Skins wanted him to be on the team and they're both making excuses as to why he won't be.

Just come out and say it: "It didn't work out and we're parting ways." The end.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

I really don't understand why most of the Post stories are negative. Every move can't be bad nor is every move good.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 4, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

jm,

Agreed, there have been some bad moves but there has also been some good moves.

The Jasons only vocus on the bad moves, and I'm sure it's because they are mad that they get no inside information from the FO's.

The funnything is if they weren't suck
d!ckheads, the FO's would probably talk to them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

"If you look at the Reggie Whites and Warren Sapps, the dominating D-tackle is probably a harder find," Snyder says, "than the pass rushers on the edge."

WHY IS SNYDER EVALUATING TALENT??? GOD HELP REDSKINS NATION!!!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

"If you look at the Reggie Whites and Warren Sapps, the dominating D-tackle is probably a harder find," Snyder says, "than the pass rushers on the edge."

WHY IS SNYDER EVALUATING TALENT??? GOD HELP REDSKINS NATION!!!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:21 AM |

I don't see were he evaluates any one, he is making a statement and a true one, that a dominating DT is harder to fine then a dominating DE.

Is that some great revolation no, I could have told him that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Yo!

I know most of you guys don't watch 24 anymore, BUT.....

I just watched yesterday's 2 hour epiosode and that joint was off the Hoook!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2009 9:35 PM |

4th,

I love 24 it's still the best show on TV, the 2 hours you speak of were awesome.

The show that is totally losing me and my Wife is Lost, that show is off in so many directions I have no idea what is going on anymore.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't see were he evaluates any one, he is making a statement and a true one, that a dominating DT is harder to fine then a dominating DE.

Is that some great revolation no, I could have told him that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:27 AM

Yeah Flounder, but you're not rumored to be a meddlesome owner who puts his nose where it doesn't belong. He can say that stuff in front of his TV in the luxury suite, not in front of a mic. I think he's waaaay more involved in the player acquisition process than he should be, which is a big reason why this team gets the wrong guys more often than not and underachieves.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Snyder evaluates talent for the same reason Jerry Jones does. They both want to be involved and identified with their team's success. Since they can't play on the field, participating in personnel matters is the way they do it. Unfortunately, amateurs rarely do better than professionals no matter how much money they have and bad decisions add up to lots of suffering by fans.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

brown,

Thats probably true, problem is he's the owner and can basically do what ever he wants.

I would still rather have him over most of the owners in the league.

He is never going to be an owner that just goes away, and lets someone else run the team.

I'm hoping that one day all this stuff will work out, and this team will win another SB or two.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I won't hold my breath, Flounder...I'd take him over the Bidwills and the Browns, but that's about it.

I'm still cooking up a scheme to get Snyder overthrown...maybe the same type of thing from "The Godfather Part II" with the dead hooker? Help me out RI Nation!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

jkc started the downfall of the skins to the bottom of the barrel with norv. then the son did not care about the fans like his father did and kept the piss poor norv. as far as qb goes we have a potentially good one with the colt. i beleive gibbs was the downfall of ramsey because the coaches did not try to teach him the proper qb ways and we all know gibbs wanted a washed up expensive qb over ramsey anyway. so who knows how good ramsey could have been with a good qb coach.

Posted by: rls1041 | March 4, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

brown,

You would take the Fords no thanks.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and I'd take Snyder over Al Davis or Jerry Jones. So I guess that ranks him 27th in my book...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Good call, Flound. Point taken...

Even if he's middle of the road, it doesn't detract from the fact that he's crushing this team's prospects for long term success. I just wish he'd wake up to the reality that this team needs a top notch GM and his own absense from the football operations to reach the ultimate goal.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has the potential to be one of the best owners in the history of the NFL. All he needs to do is hire a GM and let the people who know football make the personell decisions.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV is like The Waterboy before they found out he could play football.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 4, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has the potential to be one of the best owners in the history of the NFL. All he needs to do is hire a GM and let the people who know football make the personell decisions.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:01 AM

I can get behind this statement. He's obviously willing to spend which puts him ahead of most owners, but he's got to learn how to spend WISELY. The Pats owner has just as much cash as Snyder but he puts it in the right places and picks his spots in free agency. And most importantly, HE STAYS THE HELL OUT OF THE PERSONNEL DECISIONS! I wish Snyder would use him as a template to emulate instead of that career a$$hat Jerry Jones...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"I would still rather have him over most of the owners in the league."

Wha? Whoopdedoo you can name 4/5 owners who are historically worse. I would argue that Al Davis is crazy/senile not worse. Davis has decades where he was actually one of the better owners and is historically a waaaaay better football man than snyder. You can't argue the raiders as a historical franchise.

Oh and 24 sux, hard....

Lost rulz
24 droolz

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

actually I hope that Snyder is Davis in reverse. start out a know nothing meddling dueche who slowly learns while overseering a growing dynasty as oppossed to Davis who built franchise from scratch, managed it to sustained glory and then slowly atrophied into know nothing meddling dueche.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder in "The Curious Case of Daniel Snyder"

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

How do you really feel, CL? I don't understand how you don't like 24, but to each his own...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Lost= very confusing
24= Best show on TV

Davis was a great owner, now he is a senial lunatic.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Can we get some cap and draft entries? No one cares about Cerrato trying to shift attention away from the fact that he dealt a 2nd and 6th round draft pick for 3.5 sacks.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I'd like it if RI could get a hidden microphone on Coach Blache and have him talk about JT, I mean really express how he feels about this lightweight never won any game or dance match that mattered POS. Now, the transcript of that would be fit to print. Otherwise, enough already... And enough of any speculation about Jay Cutler. The man has jowls. He's in his twenties and has jowls. That's not a top NFL QB characteristic. If I want jowls I'll look at Ted Kennedy's (bless his soul) pumpkin-sized head, or laugh myself silly watching reruns of Droopy. Those are some good jowls. But not on my starting QB!

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 4, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has the potential to be one of the best owners in the history of the NFL. All he needs to do is hire a GM and let the people who know football make the personell decisions.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:01 AM

This is like saying the Rosie O'Donnell has the potential to be Miss Universe.

All she has to do is lose 85 lbs. and get extensive plastic surgery.

Ridiculous nonsense you speaketh.

Posted by: gdennie | March 4, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Cutler may be a very talented bright guy but he just looks dumb. Not sure why but he just does.....

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Lost= very confusing
24= Best show on TV

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 8:31 AM |

Well said, Flounder. I can't even stand the commercials for Lost much less the show itself. I would see the last 5 minutes of Lost waiting for Alias to come on a few years back...even that small dose of Lost was excruciating.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

For the record, and I am whipping out my degree in media arts to validate the following statement statement. Both 24 and Lost are tardville TV. Both shows should have ended in season 3.

I know for 24 because in season 5 I saw a preview which contained no less than 3 explosion in a 15 second spot. When promoting season 1 Sutherlend went on The Daily Show and said, that he did not want to do more than 2-3 seasons because its not realistic for one man to have that many bad days in a row and the show would become ridiculous.

I knew it with lost because at some point they were found and the show kept going, but the name makes no sense anymore. Its just like the issue with Prison Break. They broke out of jail in season 1 so shouldn't the name be changed to "on the lamb", similarly lost should be now changed to "sorta kinda found". Also its on ABC and anything related to Disney has to be secretly collaborating with the Nazi's.

In conclusion. Both shows are dumb and do for closure at this point. Everyone should accept this so we can get brilliant new non-reality based TV programing into those time-slots. I am thinking a show that pairs a talking fish with a feminin cat.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Funny Alex...but this is TV we're talking about. 90% of what's on TV is completely unrealistic. And that includes "reality" TV. The nature of TV today is to leave your sense at the door and enjoy the ride.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

The one problem I have with your 24 analasys, is that he does not have the bad days right in a row.

There are years that go by before the next bad day.

Also on being realistic name me one show on TV that provides a realistic view of what it portrays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I was unaware that Rosie O'Donnell was a woman.......learn something new every day....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I was unaware that Rosie O'Donnell was a woman.......learn something new every day....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 8:51 AM |

I was unaware that Rosie O'Donnell was still alive.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The nature of TV today is to leave your sense at the door and enjoy the ride.


Unfortunately, most of the current rides require a handful of dramamine to survive them comfortably.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

You guys have it all wrong. Comparing 24 and lost is like comparing apples and oranges. Let me break it down for you:

Lost is a so-called "Mike" television show, whereas 24 is more of a situational television show, a nickelback, perhaps. Does that clear things up?

(cue diaper comment)

Posted by: jstew06 | March 4, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

You never commented on Khalif Barnes for RT, he is young, big and still available.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

This is like saying the Rosie O'Donnell has the potential to be Miss Universe.

All she has to do is lose 85 lbs. and get extensive plastic surgery.

Ridiculous nonsense you speaketh.

Posted by: gdennie | March 4, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Now I understand why Beantown tells people to go root for another team.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Brown,
Cant disagree with the 90% #. And it has nothing to do with "realistic", in regards to the shows. It has to do with creating a reality, with rules and limitations to create a quality story line.

Lost seems to be unable to obey that rule anymore as it tries to top itself in preposterousness. It also has the weakness of if you did not see the first season its impossible to follow.

24 follows the rules a little better but not by much.


Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Have to agree, enough with the JT stuff, he's not on the team anymore, so time to move on. He's slowly approaching Pierce/Mason territory.

Can we get an update as to who the team is thinking about bringing in for DE/LB types, or how much the team is under the cap, or what ever happened with that Willis cat?

you know, something relevant, maps, and such....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Sign Cato June and bring Derrick Brooks in to compete as well.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Can we get an update as to who the team is thinking about bringing in for DE/LB types, or how much the team is under the cap, or what ever happened with that Willis cat?

you know, something relevant, maps, and such....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 8:57 AM |

Greg,

You will be able to get all that information, once it's posted on Profootballtalk.com I will post it here, and then the to Jasons will make a new blog post 3-4 hours later.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

And I know Brooks is old but we could use him for a year or so while we stockpile LB's in the later rounds this year.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

flound, I saw your post and meant to look up that guy last night, and see what the general consensus was on him. I think, and could be wrong, but given that he's yet to sign, he probably priced himself out of the first round of signings.

I think there could be some real values out there for the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't see were he evaluates any one, he is making a statement and a true one, that a dominating DT is harder to fine then a dominating DE.

Is that some great revolation no, I could have told him that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 7:27 AM

Yeah Flounder, but you're not rumored to be a meddlesome owner who puts his nose where it doesn't belong. He can say that stuff in front of his TV in the luxury suite, not in front of a mic. I think he's waaaay more involved in the player acquisition process than he should be, which is a big reason why this team gets the wrong guys more often than not and underachieves.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I hear what you are saying, Browny, but I think DS has changed somewhat. Yes, he is involved in signing key FA's. But I'm getting the impression that he took his direction from the coaching staff and personnel people undert VC this year in going after AH, DH and DD. Maybe he has learned a few lessons. I'm not a big fan of DS, but I think he is a smart businessman, and hopefully can learn from past mistakes.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I think Willis visited the Raiders yesterday but I don't see that he signed anywhere.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Sign Cato June and bring Derrick Brooks in to compete as well.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 8:59 AM

Dude, they're Cover 2 LBs...that's like signing Spud Webb to play center for your basketball team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Also on being realistic name me one show on TV that provides a realistic view of what it portrays.

Posted by: Flounder21

In terms of the template fiction drama 1 hour prime time shows. West Wing was still the best at that, but they had the greatest writer in the country. As did ER for a while, but again a show that lasted way to long. Law and Order was/is a great real fiction (though too focused on a narrow scope of characters and their ripped from the headlines bit). And the all time great at this was the Star Trek franchise, even the many series that bombed lasted 4 years.

But it has nothing to do with a realistic view of what it portrays, it has to do with the Writer/Producer/Actor knowing when a story has run its course, and they should know the repercussions for "jumping the shark" moments and know when to fold their cards and cash in the chips. A good writer should know in their head how a series is going to end and its clear that neither of these shows have that final script in mind.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Here's a list of UFA linebackers. Not impressed.

Jordan Beck, UFA, Denver Broncos
Monty Beisel, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Angelo Crowell, UFA, Buffalo Bills
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers
Tyjuan Hagler, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
Willie McGinest, UFA, Cleveland Browns
Carlos Polk, UFA, San Diego Chargers
Sam Williams, UFA, Oakland Raiders

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

signing haynesworthless is gonna put us in the superbowl! Hail to the Skins offseason! better than the regular season!

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

And I know Brooks is old but we could use him for a year or so while we stockpile LB's in the later rounds this year.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse
I think Brooks is signed already.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Angelo Crowell, UFA, Buffalo Bills

Bigfish,

This guy is the only one I would go after he is big and fast and can play strong side LB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins


Wasn't he re-signed? He's young and talented, wouldn't min picking him up if he's still available.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

signing haynesworthless is gonna put us in the superbowl! Hail to the Skins offseason! better than the regular season!

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 9:12 AM |

Way to chime in 5 days late, and to call the best DT in the league worthless, probably means you don't know to much about football.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

not an impressive list at all....I think Crowder re-signed with the phins....don't know about the rest of that group...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Rypien11 wrote:
"Sally Jenkins is a real see you next Tuesday."

HAHAHAHAHA... I had to look that up. You funny dude.

I am also amused by those who slam Synder for being a meddlesome owner who gets involved in personnel decisions and THEN critique the Redskins personnel decisions. As if you guys had any better football knowledge than those in the organization making the decisions. You know who you are.

We're all allowed our opinions, and it's part of the learning process to go back and reevaluate a decision after the facts are in: for example, signing JT was probably a bad decision. But WHAT should they have done instead? Signed a FA who wasn't in anybody's training camp IN JULY? Traded for somebody else? Who was available?

Should they have waited for the 53 man roster and then sign somebody who got cut? Maybe, but that's a lot of training camp to be without anybody at left DE.

I think they were really, really stuck, and while this was a bad decision, there wasn't a good option available.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 4, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

GET IGOR THE TERRIBLE!!!!

Young, big DE.

Igor, Griff, Haynes, Carter
Orakpo, Fletch, Rocky
Hall, Rogers, Landry, Horton

ooooooo baby.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Who the hell is this Igor person that keeps being mentioned?

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm disapointed as well Vinny, disapointed that you gave up a 2nd and a 6th for 3.5 sacks.

Posted by: Gweez | March 4, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Easy Rip!

They gotta score points. Let's think about getting a solid O-line, especially shoring up RT and center.


Posted by: dpc2003 | March 4, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Igor Olshansky #99 DE» Add Widget
2008 STATS
Birth Date May 3, 1982
Birth Place Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine
Height 6-6
Weight 309 lbs.
Age 26
Position DE
Experience 5 years
College Oregon

Defense Stats
YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2004 SDG 16 39 24 15 2 1.0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 SDG 14 29 18 11 0 3.0 0 0 0 0 0
2006 SDG 13 33 18 15 1 1.5 0 0 0 0 0
2007 SDG 16 49 35 14 3 3.5 3 0 1 0 0
2008 SDG 16 29 21 8 0 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
Career 75 179 116 63 6 11.0 3 0 1 0 0

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Alex put the text book down.....what are you teaching frosh seminar?

24 is simply unwatchable. But hey maybe its not bailiwick. I also enjoy reading.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know... but that D would look pretty scary. We could still trade up to the 2nd round and get Loadholt/Britton/Duke, and that would be fine with me...

Igor Olshansky.. 26 year old DE with Chargers.... 6'6 310... good player. Probably best DE FA available.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Can always count on Flounder w the stats!

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

24 is simply unwatchable. But hey maybe its not bailiwick. I also enjoy reading.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:26 AM |

CL,

To each his own, I find 24 totally watchable.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Frosh... CL your so old school *but not the old school. I am sorry but I take my TV watching as serious business.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

That guy has 11 sacks in 5 years. I hope we'd be bringing him in just to stop the run.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"They also need another veteran defense end, several linebackers and someone who could play center and guard for offensive-line depth purposes"

So, fellow RIers:

Who are the best available at each position:
DE - Evans?
LB1 - Crowell?
LB2 - Orapko?
C/G - ?


Posted by: HenryHog | March 4, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Ryp,

I try

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know... but that D would look pretty scary. We could still trade up to the 2nd round and get Loadholt/Britton/Duke, and that would be fine with me...

Igor Olshansky.. 26 year old DE with Chargers.... 6'6 310... good player. Probably best DE FA available.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

From what I have seen of Loadholt, I am not interested in him. He seems to be quite a drop-ooff from the top 4 OT's.

I think we are better of taking Smith or Oher at #13, picking LB in 3rd round.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"I am sorry but I take my TV watching as serious business.

Whoa do not step to me! I am a professional TV watcher! Shall we have a stare-off?

Flound: To each there own indeed. You can have the dreck and I'll keep the good stuff. Easy solution. (kidding kidding put the insult thesaurus down....)

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Go check out the Chargers sites. They are glad to get rid of him.


"Let him under-achieve for another team. I'm thinking the raiders will sign him to a 60 million dollar contract and guarantee at least half of that."

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Igor, Griff, Haynes, Carter
Orakpo, Fletch, Rocky
Hall, Rogers, Landry, Horton

ooooooo baby....."

vs.

"Let's think about getting a solid O-line, especially shoring up RT and center."

Should be interesting, the next FA signing should say a lot. Vinny has put himself in the position where he almost has to draft for need, which he is adamantly against.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Hmm. Well I woulnd't mind Evans coming back on the cheap, but hes not the long term answer.

Fredie - yeah, Id rather have one of the top 4 OTs, but if somehow theyre all gone and Orakpo is left, well Id be tempted to take him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"Tom Silverstein, of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, reports the Green Bay Packers will begin discussions with free-agent DL Igor Olshansky (Chargers) this week, according to a league source. Olshansky played defensive end in the San Diego Chargers' 3-4 scheme and would be sufficient as a starter or backup."

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo is like the chick who is crazy, but willing to do stuff the other chicks wont do.

Smith/Oher is like the chick that's respectable and you end up settling down with.

So which is it Vinny?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

From the Times:

So Dockery, who has never missed a game during his six seasons, rejoined the Redskins with a more chiseled body than when he left thanks to a rigorous offseason program.

“I was shocked that [they] could cut him,” Bugel said. “We came in Saturday and watched 12 tapes of him and said he has to come back here. I treated him as tough as I ever treated anybody in my life, and he begged for more. He comes early and leaves late. That fourth year, he became a man. He gives us 6-foot-6, 325 pounds. You need some beef inside.”

Good stuff from buges, but he needs to get all the guys ready to play this year. No playing favorites, if you can't pass block, you can't play....

Igor is an interesting case. He was listed as one of the top DE's in Free Agency, but doesn't seem to be garnering much interest.

I'm a huge 24 fan. HUGE.

Never got into lost, but people can watch whatever they want. No worries...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Vinny will pick the homely chick that everyone else has passed up and is neither freaky OR a good cook.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

CL,
Oh its on like Donkey Kong. How you want this throw down to go down?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Igor Olshansky, DE, Chargers: The hulking run stuffer is a proto-typical 3-4 defensive end. He plays stout against the run, freeing up linebackers by occupying multiple blockers at the point. Though Olshansky shows limited pass-rush skills, he is a high-motor player who falls into a few garbage sacks each year. With sturdy defensive ends valued at a premium, Olshansky is coveted by teams utilizing a 3-4."


So pretty much a young version of Phillip Daniels. I'm okay with that as long as it's cheap. Only issue is not having played in a 4-3.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The only shows on television worth watching are on FX : Rescue Me, It's Always Sunny, Damages...network is for the birds.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That guy has 11 sacks in 5 years. I hope we'd be bringing him in just to stop the run.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:29 AM |

True he is more of a Evans type DE but younger.

Maybe he could up his sack total with us, but even if not he would fill the role they want a LDE to fill.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of TV. Two HBO shows to watch:

Eastbound and Down with Danny Mcbride is funny as h e double hockey sticks

and

the HBO doc on the Duke v UNC basketball rivalry is very good.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

OK...gotta work (said in Fosse vice)...

You guys get back to measuring Igor triceps


a luke warm hail!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The only shows on television worth watching are on FX : Rescue Me, It's Always Sunny, Damages...network is for the birds.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:43 AM |

That new show Lie to Me is good as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Lie to Me is on Fox, but that actually looks good. I'll have to check out the season dvd when it comes out. Mad Men on AMC is always good.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Lie to me is definitely cool. Im a psych guy so I find it interesting.

Rescue me is also very good.

I hate Lost, that show only exists to confuse people.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

How about we show some support for Jason Campbell? is that asking too much? We have a big strong armed QB who is smart and classy, stays out of the paper and the police blotter played very well last year threw only six interceptions yet all i hear or read about is Colt Brennan,Jay Cutler,or some other wannabe i mean the guy did all he could do last year while running for his life would it be asking too much to show some loyalty? He had one receiver last year(Moss) and maybe a tight end(when he wasn't busy showing his private's on his website) a mouthy running back(who plays hard)rookie wideouts(KID n'PLAY) who contributed zilch yet you heard nary a peep, get this guy some help and i guarantee he'll lead us to a championship and oh yeah a long term contract would be nice.

Posted by: dargregmag | March 4, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I prefer House Hunters, Clean House and Property Virgins myself.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

A good measure of a show to me is how easy is it to get into the show if you did not get with it from beginning. To me if a show is good, you will watch it regardless of your knowledge of the back-story, if you stick with it for 3 episodes you can get into the current season story arch and its strong enough to make you watch prior season in rerun/netflix/internet.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Hail dargregmag!

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

For me though, I like comedy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen that Operation Repo show on either trutv? These guys repossess cars around L.A. and literally get shot at while trying. Most ridiculous show ever.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

yod, I watched about 5 minutes of that show, after which I wanted to rip my eye's out with a fork. The dude with the sunglass's, and the fat chick with the piercings were just way too much for me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bean,

hahaha, yea...it's pretty bad. I just remember one show in particular, they went to this ranch out in the middle of nowhere. They hooked up this guy's truck and all of a sudden 2 guys come out and starting shooting at them. One guy had to jump through the truck's window as the peeled out of there. Nuts.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if I missed this in a previous post, but if Jason Taylor ends up signing with a new team for about 8 million (sure, maybe nobody pays this much) then couldn't we have at least tried to TRADE him as opposed to just cutting him? Even if it was for a 5th rounder or something?

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | March 4, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

signing haynesworthless is gonna put us in the superbowl! Hail to the Skins offseason! better than the regular season!

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 9:12 AM |

Way to chime in 5 days late, and to call the best DT in the league worthless, probably means you don't know to much about football.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

funny, these FA splurges haven't panned out before, why should this one work? Best DT in the league, who cares, they still have depth and talent issues on offense and few dollars and draft picks to address them.

Until the skins prove that their player acquisition system works, the haters gotta hate, and so far there's enough hatorade to go around after everything we've seen from this FO in the last ten years.

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I believe there to be zero chance JT signs with another team for that kind of money.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

What's the LB talent look like for the 3rd round?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

they still have depth and talent issues on offense and few dollars and draft picks to address them.

They actually have a lot of space at this point, something in the vicinity of 11 million, so they could address depth/starters with that money.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

rookie wideouts(KID n'PLAY)

Posted by: dargregmag | March 4, 2009 9:53 AM

Best nickname for devin and malcom I have heard yet, lets take a vote a try to make this their official nickname

I vote yes for Kid N Play

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 4, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

CL wrote:
"Vinny will pick the homely chick that everyone else has passed up and is neither freaky OR a good cook"

Come on, you can do better than that, don't these guys go for star power?

Vinny will date the supermodel who can't cook. Once he shacks up -- because she won't put out until they do -- he finds she'a terrible lay, and can't resist maxing out a credit card. Then when he dumps her she'll claim she was a HOF "missionary specialist" and it's his fault she wasn't getting off.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 4, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I guess no one will pay him that much. We should have put a clause in the trade with the Dolphins a year ago, stating that if he didn't finish his contract we get a 4th rounder back! What a waste. Then again, we probably woulda drafted a pass catching TE in the 2nd round this year...

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | March 4, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

... But hey maybe its not bailiwick. I also enjoy reading.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:26 AM

Books are for suckers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

funny, these FA splurges haven't panned out before, why should this one work? Best DT in the league, who cares, they still have depth and talent issues on offense and few dollars and draft picks to address them.

Until the skins prove that their player acquisition system works, the haters gotta hate, and so far there's enough hatorade to go around after everything we've seen from this FO in the last ten years.


Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 10:20 AM |

A few dollars if you call 12mil in cap space a few dollars.

They have never before signed a guy that was in his prime, and the best at his position in the league.

The O-Line will be addressed, already has been on the left side. They need a RT and thats it, we already have enough backups what we don't have is a starter at RT.

As far as haters have to hate be my guest, let me know what it gets you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

newsflash

24 and Lost are both awful shows

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dargregmag | March 4, 2009 9:53 AM

Yeah!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I second Eastbound and Down. Hillarity.

Posted by: Gweez | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Also, F chRIs laRRy.

Also, doom.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

What's the LB talent look like for the 3rd round?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 10:23 AM |

Yoder,

All these guys should be available, the cody kid is who some mock drafts I have seen have us taken.


OLB 11 Cody Brown SR 6-2/242/- Connecticut Coral Springs, FL
OLB 12 Ian Campbell SR 6-5/249/- Kansas State Cimarron, KS
OLB 13 Orion Martin SR 6-2/255/- Virginia Tech Danville, VA
OLB 14 Victor Butler SR 6-2/235/- Oregon State Rialto, CA

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You all missed it, but there is a preview of coming attractions about an upcoming guest blog focused on the Skins defensive philosophy ... by a guest blogger who excels at spot-on analysis of defense. You'll see ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Call Kendell?

To do what?

Can he play center and back up Rabach?

Use Rhino as a back up guard.

Use Jansen to back up Rabach and rt.

Kendell--to quote the old song--is dust in the wind.

The sand has run to the bottom of his professional hourglass.

Shake his hand, give him a gold watch, and show him the parking lot.

Make cap space for the next new redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

You all missed it, but there is a preview of coming attractions about an upcoming guest blog focused on the Skins defensive philosophy ... by a guest blogger who excels at spot-on analysis of defense. You'll see ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 10:39 AM |

Not Corky please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Quoting Kansas is never good....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

ugh, if its corky....no thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

'...11 million, so they could address depth/starters with that money....'

Anyone have ideas about guys who might be possible early June, after the draft cuts we could slurp up with that 11 mil in space?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Beantown and Flounder....brothas from different muthas.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Flound,

Thanks, that's my ideal scenario. It seems obvious the offense needs the best impact player, so drafting a tackle in the 1st if available would be nice. LB's can come out of nowhere to be studs more often than tackles it seems. James Harrison was undrafted I believe. There's always exceptions though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I thought he was quoting Bill and Ted.......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 4, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

cl, thanks. I take that as a compliment.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

take it how you want, simply an observation.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Any LB's coming out of The U this year? They always seem to be good picks.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Is this written by a local Washingtonian, maybe a dude who worked for the EPA?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Me to Greg,

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

what did campbell and martin run at the combine? I'm assuming they were invited.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Until the skins prove that their player acquisition system works, the haters gotta hate, and so far there's enough hatorade to go around after everything we've seen from this FO in the last ten years."


What the hell is Hatorade anyway? ;-)

Yep hopefully this is the year that it finally works.
I want to see them work their cap magic and manage to sign Igor Olshansky .
Our team needs a Ukranian for sure. (good blue collar guy)
And then if we manage to sign Oher we are almost there.
Hopefully the FO reads this blog so you guys can identify the Correct OLB for them to pick in the third round.
Then super bowel here we come!

Posted by: sspiper_bs | March 4, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Fredie - yeah, Id rather have one of the top 4 OTs, but if somehow theyre all gone and Orakpo is left, well Id be tempted to take him.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse
I agree, Ryp. But I do think either one or two will be there at #13.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Greg Campbell strained a hamstring befor he could run the 40.

Orion Martin, DS #18 DE, Virginia Tech

Name: Orion Martin
College: Virginia Tech Number: 90
Height: 6-2 Weight: 262
Position: DE Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2009
40 Time: 4.81 40 Low: 4.69 40 High: 4.91
Projected Round: 6-7 Stock:
Rated number 18 out of 207 DE's 213 / 2596 TOTAL

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6022
Weight: 262
40 Yrd Dash: 4.81
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 24
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 09'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.63
3-Cone Drill: 7.90


Ian Campbell, DS #14 DE, Kansas State

Name: Ian Campbell
College: Kansas State Number: 98
Height: 6-4 Weight: 265
Position: DE Pos2: OLB
Class/Draft Year: rSr/2009
40 Time: 4.87 40 Low: 4.78 40 High: 5.12
Projected Round: 5 Stock:
Rated number 14 out of 207 DE's 162 / 2596 TOTAL

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6035
Weight: 265
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash: 225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump: 09'01"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.28
3-Cone Drill: 6.93
No bench, shoulder - No 40s, left hamstring strain



Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Here are the stats on Cody Brown who looks like the best LB in the 3rd.


Cody Brown, DS #9 OLB, Connecticut

Name: Cody Brown
College: Connecticut Number: 50
Height: 6-2 Weight: 244
Position: OLB Pos2: Rush DE
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2009
40 Time: 4.76 40 Low: 4.64 40 High: 4.84
Projected Round: 3 Stock:

Combine Results Pro Day Results
Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6021
Weight: 244
40 Yrd Dash: 4.76
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.63 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 36 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
3-Cone Drill: 7.10

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

a luke warm hail!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Sound like cl is really getting excited about the upcoming season. That's quite a reverberating endorsement of the FO.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Name: Ian Campbell
College: Kansas State Number: 98
Favorite color: Mauve
If was tree would be: weeping willow
Favorite TV show: Tool Academy
Consecutive hours of sleep record: 27
Listens to: Timberlake and Bone Thugs n harmony
Hot or Not rating: 7.5

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a FULL 2009 draft site? As in, every pick for every team?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

sue me its March...offseason champ dont make my nips hard, dig?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Listens to: Timberlake and Bone Thugs n harmony
Hot or Not rating: 7.5

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 11:01 AM |

I'm with him on the music, Get Your Sexy On.

Best Bone Thugs song "Crossroads"

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Its the Queen Bee, you dingi.

cL, good spot on the weeping willow. Carry on, my wayward son.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I guess no one will pay him that much. We should have put a clause in the trade with the Dolphins a year ago, stating that if he didn't finish his contract we get a 4th rounder back! What a waste. Then again, we probably woulda drafted a pass catching TE in the 2nd round this year...

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | March 4, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

But since he has the next 5 months off, he may make it up in endorsements, and movies.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

my FA wishlist:

Crowell
Keiaho
Kendall
Daniels
Evans
Willis
Devery Henderson

my bizarro world what I think Snyder might do:
Kendall
Willis
Trade our 1st for Peppers
draft LBs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a FULL 2009 draft site? As in, every pick for every team?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 11:02 AM |

Here you go:

Doesn't include compensatory picks.

http://www.nfldraftsite.com/

http://www.drafttek.com/round12009.asp

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

of that group, I'd take brown...however the change of direction Campbell showed on the 3 cone drill stands out.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The League hasn't awarded compensatory picks yet.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am really more a fan of yellow, his work doodling the turtle with a baseball cap on was impressive, although Filmore's stance on string theory floored me.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 4, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

of that group, I'd take brown...however the change of direction Campbell showed on the 3 cone drill stands out.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 11:08 AM |

We could get Campbell in the 5th most likely.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

of that group, I'd take brown...however the change of direction Campbell showed on the 3 cone drill stands out.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 11:08 AM |

We could get Campbell in the 5th most likely.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:10 AM

And Skins would lead the league in sacks ... once they start crediting sacks based on 3-cone drill speeds.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Igor Olshansky.. 26 year old DE with Chargers.... 6'6 310... good player. Probably best DE FA available.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009"

Seems to make sense. But does he play the run well? Evans did.

I guess one of us could join ESPN insider and find out what scouts.com thinks about him.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Millard Fillmore?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Still think they should go to Atlanta ... find out about RFA guard/tackle starters Clabo and Dahl. Those two plus a starting tackle at #13 should do the trick and shrink the age of the line.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Flounder: Use the pre-formatted <pre> html directive to retain spacing:

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Posted by: siris | March 4, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

funny, these FA splurges haven't panned out before, why should this one work? Best DT in the league, who cares, they still have depth and talent issues on offense and few dollars and draft picks to address them.

Until the skins prove that their player acquisition system works, the haters gotta hate, and so far there's enough hatorade to go around after everything we've seen from this FO in the last ten years.


Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 10:20 AM |

A few dollars if you call 12mil in cap space a few dollars.

They have never before signed a guy that was in his prime, and the best at his position in the league.

The O-Line will be addressed, already has been on the left side. They need a RT and thats it, we already have enough backups what we don't have is a starter at RT.

As far as haters have to hate be my guest, let me know what it gets you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Signed guys in their prime? Trung Candiate, Adam Archuleta, Brandon Lloyd, Chad Morton, Dave Fiore, Jesse Armstead, Jeremiah Trotter, Jeff Hall, Lavarneus Coles ring a bell? All in their prime and not very good pick-ups for one reason or another. This team somehow overvalues certain pieces and not others. They outbid themselves and always think they are one or two players away from being crowned champs. I think they are more than a RT away from anything special. But hey, this is all speculation, but if I was a betting man I'd look at how well we've succeeded in past free agent splurges............

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, anyone know if we are in line for compensatory picks? we should find out this month.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

here you go

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 79 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Olshansky is a physical freak with tremendous size and a body builders' frame. He is tall with long arms and big, powerful hands. His strength is rare and he carries very little extra fat on his powerful frame. He presses massive offensive tackles off his body with ease and is a very good player against the run. He stays square to the line of scrimmage and is very difficult to move off the point. His leverage and hand usage continue to improve, but moving this man backwards is a serious chore. Olshansky is very tough and works hard on and off the field. When he hits the ball carrier, he inflicts serious punishment and is very capable of jarring the ball loose on contact. He isn't an elite pass-rusher and needs to add more moves to his arsenal, but he still can bull rush most opponents into the pocket. He isn't the most fluid athlete, but does run well in a straight line. Due to his flexibility issues, his pass-rush skills suffer. He also could stand to be quicker off the line and consistently get off the ball with better pad level. Olshansky is still relatively young and is an ascending player. While his pass-rush and recognition skills need to be honed, he is an excellent fit as a 3-4 defensive end.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Still think they should go to Atlanta ... find out about RFA guard/tackle starters Clabo and Dahl. Those two plus a starting tackle at #13 should do the trick and shrink the age of the line.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

you wouldn't have a pick a 13 if you signed those guys, Atlanta would have it, that's the whole reason people don't sign highest tendered RFAs.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Sween and Flound, you guys are bada$$.

Heres my contribution, the ESPN insider scouting on Igor. Hes the 2nd highest rated DE FA, behind Peppers.

Olshansky is the starting RDE in the Chargers' 3-4 defense. He contributes mainly in regular situations, but also rush inside in sub. He has been a starter since the day he was drafted in the second round in 2004. In three of his four NFL seasons, the Chargers have ranked in the league's top seven in rushing defense. He is a blue collar type football player. He has good size and strength for the position. He plays hard on every snap and is very competitive. He's at his best versus the run and he is the Chargers' most consistent run defender. He has good recognition and play awareness to blocking patterns. Olshansky has good, strong hands with the ability to control blockers at the point of contact. He plays with good pad level and leverage. He can hold up at the point of attack and displays good shed ability. He is an explosive tackler who can find the ball, but he lacks great quickness off the ball and can be sealed off at times. As a pass-rusher, he shows good effort and motor. He has been productive with his rip move to the outside, while continuing to work up field. He doesn't have the closing speed and quickness to be an effective rusher off the edge. He lacks counters and the ability to redirect.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Make cap space for the next new redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009"

Be nice to get one of the top OT's plus an Unger or Mack in the draft.

Still here wondering, if Blache can convert Taylor to an outside linebacker, why he can't convert Wilson or Jackson? Carter was tried and didn't like the position. But Jackson and Wilson?

They are now pretty short at LB ... so Danny may go that way in the 1st round instead of getting the "T" they so desperately need.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

dad, couple things:

1. Lots of those guys listed, were 2nd or even 3rd level guys. Morton, Fiore, Hall, specifically.

2. Tampa offered more money. Each guy, AH, Hall, and Dock, took LESS money, its been reported to come to washington.

Do some research on this subject. And hey, how about if we let AH actually play some football before we declare him not worth it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Ryp,

Here's your probably answer as to why they haven't signed the guy as they should:

Greg Blache says "Sign the guy":

"He's at his best versus the run and he is the Chargers' most consistent run defender. He has good recognition and play awareness to blocking patterns. Olshansky has good, strong hands with the ability to control blockers at the point of contact. He plays with good pad level and leverage."

Uber RI-type fans Danny and Vinny say "no way!"

"He doesn't have the closing speed and quickness to be an effective rusher off the edge. He lacks counters and the ability to redirect."

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

'...Best Bone Thugs song "Crossroads"...'

There is no such thing as a best Bone Thugs song.

I never bought in the rap-harmonizing-sing-song thing.

Pete Rock and CL Smooth's "Mecca and the Soul Brother" continues to make the SUV shake.

As does anything by Brand Nubian or Gang Starr or Tribe Called Quest.

Then there's Public Enemy "Fear of a Black Planet"--a whole catagory of beats and rhymes by itself.

But we've had the rap discussion.....

....haven't we?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"you wouldn't have a pick a 13 if you signed those guys, Atlanta would have it, that's the whole reason people don't sign highest tendered RFAs.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009"

Yes, I know. Was thinking they could make a deal. Both are starters though wonder what it would take.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Signed guys in their prime? Trung Candiate, Adam Archuleta, Brandon Lloyd, Chad Morton, Dave Fiore, Jesse Armstead, Jeremiah Trotter, Jeff Hall, Lavarneus Coles ring a bell? All in their prime and not very good pick-ups for one reason or another. This team somehow overvalues certain pieces and not others. They outbid themselves and always think they are one or two players away from being crowned champs. I think they are more than a RT away from anything special. But hey, this is all speculation, but if I was a betting man I'd look at how well we've succeeded in past free agent splurges............

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:23 AM |

These are the guys you come back with, none of those guy were even, 30th in the league at there respected postitions.

Trotter was not in his prime.

Lloyd never had a prime.

Armstead was 3-4 years past his prime.

Since you only see the negative, how about these guys they signed who played very well.

Marcus Washington
London Fletcher
Shawn Springs
Cornelius Griffin
Randy Thomas
Casey Rabach
Moss


We didn't outbid ourselves for AH, the Bucs. had the same offer. He chose the Skins because he thought they would have a better chance at the playoffs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hall, Morton (sp teams), and Fiore were are all starters from the get, lest not forget. And whether or not our FAs took less money is moot. To me, it's whether or not AH ever lives up to the value of his contract, which he might.

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

'....Taylor to an outside linebacker, why he can't convert Wilson or Jackson?'

The answer to this is, "Why not?"

How can they be worst than what Taylor last year?

Remember: the NFL 2008 Defensive MVP is a guy who got cut 3-4 times. Then the stillers found a way to maximize his skills and, to speak metaphorically, turned a lump of coal into a diamond.

Let's get these guys--Jackson/Wilson/Buzbee on the field and see what they can do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Prime in terms of what we paid or traded to get them - yes they were. And of course I spot the obvious FA pick-ups that were beneficial to the team, but balanced against the litany of woeful signings you'd have to concede that they've made many mistakes at VALUING players and personnel.

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, anyone know if we are in line for compensatory picks? we should find out this month.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 4, 2009 11:23 AM

Of the free agents the Skins "lost" the season before this one, the only one I can recall is Brunell. And Smoot was signed. My guess is "none" compensatory draft picks.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm sold on Igor...I think not having to fight through 2 blockers, playing in the 4-3, could boost his career.

Vinny, git er dun...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 4, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

flounder/dadanimal,

To get a clearer picture of the skin's ability to scout and sign the right free agents, we should combine both of your lists and see what we come up with.

We're OK, but not great

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

periculum, first, quit pimping my find of Harvey Dahl, but more importantly, the Skins are NOT going to cough up a second round pick to match the Falcon's RFA tender offer. Third, stop.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Prime in terms of what we paid or traded to get them - yes they were. And of course I spot the obvious FA pick-ups that were beneficial to the team, but balanced against the litany of woeful signings you'd have to concede that they've made many mistakes at VALUING players and personnel.

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:37 AM |

That I agree with they have made alot of mistakes. They have also signed some good players.

Lets let AH suit it up before we call him worthless.

Who cares how much money they paid him, this team has proven the salary cap is a joke. They get what ever player they want and still have plenty of money.

100mil for AH is all I see, well guess what the contract is really 4 for 48 thats all he will see.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

flounder/dadanimal,

To get a clearer picture of the skin's ability to scout and sign the right free agents, we should combine both of your lists and see what we come up with.

We're OK, but not great

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

is there a website with all the signings/trades over time? starting in 1999/2000 I guess

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

is there a website with all the signings/trades over time? starting in 1999/2000 I guess

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:41 AM |

This one goes back to 2003 trying to find a better option.

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/transactions.php

This one goes back to 2002 can't find anyone that goes back to 1999/2000

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/transactions?team=was

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

is there a website with all the signings/trades over time? starting in 1999/2000 I guess

Posted by: dadanimal | March 4, 2009 11:41 AM

probably

:)

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"periculum, first, quit pimping my find of Harvey Dahl, but more importantly, the Skins are NOT going to cough up a second round pick to match the Falcon's RFA tender offer. Third, stop.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009"

First, I noticed the guy and thought they should try to get him when they originally lost Dockery. I lived briefly in Atlanta did you?

That was when they stunk and could have easily made a deal. But now Atlanta is good and even offering next year's picks (which would be worth it given there recent history with picks) would probably not get it done. Still wishful thinking ...

Finally stop whining its still early here ...


"Let's get these guys--Jackson/Wilson/Buzbee on the field and see what they can do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009"

Buzbee looks like more of a traditional DE in the 4-3. But the other two? I guess they don't stop the run otherwise? Maybe Blache can light a fire under them?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Manny agrees to 2 year 45mil for Dodgers by the way.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

The more I think about the Redskins & the East and the upcoming draft & Season, the more I like what we have done so far this offseason, as far as personnel goes.

Just glad to know that Brandon Jacobs, Bryon Westbrook and Marion the Barbarian will soon try to run through Haynesworth. That'll be fun to watch.

Happy to know that 'Los is with the team another year. O yeah a D Hall is Skin.

With Dockery back it's hard to imagine going OLine with #13. Very good post at DraftTek discussing Vinny's tendencies in the draft.

The Eagles have two picks (21 & 28).
Dallas has zero. and The G Men have the 29th.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 4, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

And sween ...

I think Mr. (Priest Holmes) Sproles is still out there ... :)

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone have ideas about guys who might be possible early June, after the draft cuts we could slurp up with that 11 mil in space?

Posted by: MistaMoe"

There will probably be little to none. The usual reason for post-June 1st cuts is so teams can spread the cap hits of the released players across 2 seasons, rather than taking it all at once. Because of the CBA situation, there's a rule that eliminates that possibility this year. If a guy is going to get cut, most likely it'll happen now, prior to the draft.

Posted by: psps23 | March 4, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

periculum, stop talking. You are a fabulist. Harvey Dahl was on Atlanta's practice squad when Skins lost Dockery. Also, I have gone back through the archives for the posts around the time Dockery walked to see whether a blind pig could have found an acorn. You did not. Finally, stop. Stop. Stop. Just stop.

[But please please PLEASE don't shoot me down by making fun of my diapers and my Barbies. You are such a master of rebuke, I don't think I could bear it.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sproles is franchised, we can't and won't be getting him. Stop suggesting people that are impossible....

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"With Dockery back it's hard to imagine going OLine with #13. Very good post at DraftTek discussing Vinny's tendencies in the draft.

The Eagles have two picks (21 & 28).
Dallas has zero. and The G Men have the 29th.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 4, 2009"

The need is still greater at OL. They do have guys in Blades and Sinclair. But McIntosh is an injury away from IR. Fletcher is aging but that is where Blades and Sinclair come in.

So, unless they convert Wilson and Jackson to OLB he may be right. They could still go with OLB in the lower rounds and draft the tackle first attempting to meet all of their needs. That would be my guess at this point.

But can't go into the season tackle-less. There is no guarantee that Samuels will look the same after these latest injuries. There is no starter on the other side.

My take is that the trouble-twins know they are well, in trouble, so they will feel that it is necessary to leverage next year's picks to supplement this year's picks. I expect Danny and Vinnie to trade away some 2010 picks to get a couple of seconds or perhaps a second and third.

Hoping they address both the OL and linebacker.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

periculum, stop talking.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 11:56 AM

I just got in from grocery shopping. I turned on the blog. Now, sween's arguing with periculum? periculum?

Sween, do you realize you're arguing with periculum? That's more futile than arguing with Jack or Truth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins cleared cap space - cutting JT - because they're thinking of moving up in the draft. Maybe they want the best OT. Or maybe they're going after Curry.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 4, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Sween, do you realize you're arguing with periculum? That's more futile than arguing with Jack or Truth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

at least most of the time my ideas are within the realm of possibility, not you know making Priest Holmes our #3 receiver.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"You are a fabulist. Harvey Dahl was on Atlanta's practice squad when Skins lost Dockery. Also, I have gone back through the archives for the posts around the time Dockery walked to see whether a blind pig could have found an acorn. You did not. Finally, stop. Stop. Stop. Just stop."

Sween there is no way you could have done that. I am a computer guy. I have been using regular expressions in things like 'grep' while you were poking your head in a diaper genie.

Stop lying.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"at least most of the time my ideas are within the realm of possibility, not you know making Priest Holmes our #3 receiver.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009"

I know I often fall into the bliss of wishful thinking ... what can I say?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

'...But the other two--Wilson/Jackson--? I guess they don't stop the run otherwise?...'


I think their not being big name players may have something to do with.

The Skins like the attractive nature of the 'the big name' a bit too much, and should invest more time into getting low cost, hungry guys on the field before they turn 30...like D Evans has.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

at least most of the time my ideas are within the realm of possibility, not you know making Priest Holmes our #3 receiver.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 4, 2009 12:07 PM

LOL.

I`ll give you that, Jack, given that you put in the qualifier, `most of the time.`

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins like the attractive nature of the 'the big name' a bit too much, and should invest more time into getting low cost, hungry guys on the field before they turn 30...like D Evans has.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009"

True, that doesn't sound like Blache but his hands may be tied?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Very good post at DraftTek discussing Vinny's tendencies in the draft."

Seems like that was written before they let Taylor go. With 3 starting positions to fill it's up in the air. Who they pick up in FA might force his hand.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 4, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Danny continues to be the kid in the candy store except that WE are the ones who get the upset stomach. Boy do I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

Posted by: chopin224 | March 4, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Sween, do you realize you're arguing with periculum? That's more futile than arguing with Jack or Truth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009"

One thing is for damned sure, don't ever argue with someone who's middle name is UNIX. Don't ever claim you parsed through archives. I have forgotten more than most here will ever know about these contraptions. Believe me.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Danny continues to be the kid in the candy store except that WE are the ones who get the upset stomach. Boy do I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

Posted by: chopin224 | March 4, 2009 12:13 PM |

So you miss a guy who signed a coach from Dallas, who let the team fall in disarray.

Then was such a great guy he did not figure out away to leave the team to his son.

This team was terrible for 7 years before Snyder baught it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

here you go

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 79 | Key
Alert: None

TWISI and Ryp, what do the scouts say about D Evans?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"This team was terrible for 7 years before Snyder baught it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009"

Guess its like the air florida flight to the 14th street bridge ... no hope left in sight?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys...I've been here just haven't posted in a while.....

So can someone explain how now the skins have a dearth of veteran corners compared to last season? I mean Springs was healthy for what 5 games. #24 was great when he was healthy but I'd rather see the Skins fill the roster spot if Tryon (or whoever) is going to dress as the 4th corner anyway.

Posted by: RambleOn | March 4, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"We didn't outbid ourselves for AH, the Bucs. had the same offer. He chose the Skins because he thought they would have a better chance at the playoffs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009"

Constantly changing coaches and acting out did not help matters early on, its why they lost Bailey ...

It appears they ended up wasting years when they had higher in the order picks and good free agent pickups through a lack of consistency, having a real long-term plan.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

what do the scouts say about D Evans?

Grade 63
Expert's Take Evans is a seven-year veteran who started 11 games last year for Washington. He is a versatile player who can line up inside or outside, depending on different situations. He has good overall size and strength for the position. He has adequate reactions to run-blocking schemes, but he has trouble recovering when he's late to read. He will get reached too easily at times or run behind blocks when wrong. He has enough upper-body strength and good hand use to stack and separate. He shows good lateral quickness to play off contact, but is missing speed on the outside to consistently make plays in space. The Redskins like to move him inside in passing situations where he does a good job creating pressure as a DT. He has good initial quickness and is strong enough to get early leverage on linemen with the bull rush. He understands how to work his hands and combine his moves, while working up field

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

'...I expect Danny and Vinnie to trade away some 2010 picks to get a couple of seconds or perhaps a second and third...'

....and that's not a bad thing, especially seeing how this is a draft where the top rounds are stocked with players in positions where the Skins have needs.

But will the team burn high picks on un-sexy positions like rt and c/g and dt?

Time will tell.

The 2010 1st round pick should be reserved for Sam Bradford.

This suggests that Moe has no confidence in J Campbell ever 'getting it.'

Guess what?: he doesn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

We seem to be about average when it comes to drafting quarterbacks post Heath Schuler.

One possible "great" in Trent Green. Gus Frerotte who is still out there. Sage Rosenfels. Jason Campbell (jury still out), Patrick Ramsay (guess his attitude with the Skins sunk his ship).

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

CONTEST:

Best team name for NCAA pool picks.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 4, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SmallPen15 | March 4, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"While his pass-rush and recognition skills need to be honed, he is an excellent fit as a 3-4 defensive end.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2009"

Too small? An outside linebacker in the 4-3?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Look. You're average defensive end is not exactly Phi Beta Kappa Material. I bet I could've gotten 3.5 sacks using the John Belushi " Look! A baby wolf " distraction method. Good riddance to another overpaid prima donna.

Posted by: bostskin | March 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"The 2010 1st round pick should be reserved for Sam Bradford.

This suggests that Moe has no confidence in J Campbell ever 'getting it.'

Guess what?: he doesn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2009"

Campbell isn't signed. You'd still have to bring someone in to "show him the ropes" until he comes up to speed. Do you think Danny has the patience to do that again? After Heath? After Patrick? After JC?

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

PER,

We did not draft Trent Green the Chargers did.

Ramsey was done in by Gibbs, he wanted to go with a small aremd game manager instead(Brunnell)

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

For the JC naysayers, I expect JC17 to take that “next step” this year. It sounds to me that the coaching staff may have realized (through the fault of the depleted O-line) that Campbell can be a dangerous scrambler. If we add this factor in (maybe they give him a bit more green-light to scramble) to the expected improvement of being in the same offense for a 2nd year (decision making), he should just get better and better. I didn’t think his decision making was too bad last year. The only thing that worries me is his accuracy. While it has improved statistically, he just doesn’t seem to hit people in stride very often. If he gets to trusting some of the new guys (last years 2nd rounders) he might take some more chances on the deeper routes. As a QB, I like his progress, but the keys are obviously the oline and receivers playing better next year, but if the defenses start to have to account for some extra scrambles here and there, it may take away some of the defense’s freedoms and the receivers may get that much more open. Plus it is a contract year for him, so I have the highest of hopes. Having said that, if he does not continue to improve, they should not renew his contract. He doesn’t have to get deep into the playoffs (it would be nice though) , just improve and I will be happy.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 4, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

periUNIXculum, although you clearly have the genius to pull this off, I will make your job easier for you. Dockery signed with the Bills on March 2, 2007. There is a link the blog archives at the top of the page, but here is a link to around the time Dockery left.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/02/25-week/

Kendall signed on August 23, 2007.

Btwn 3/2/07 and 8/23/07, I challenge you to find a post that use the word "Dahl" (much less one that you posted).

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Ramsey was done in by Gibbs, he wanted to go with a small aremd game manager instead(Brunnell)

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 12:43 PM
-----------
One might argue that Ramsey was done in by the lack of offensive line during the Spurrier years, seeing that he spent more time on his backside than upright, if you believe such punishment can actually ruin a young QB early in his career.

Posted by: RambleOn | March 4, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

One might argue that Ramsey was done in by the lack of offensive line during the Spurrier years, seeing that he spent more time on his backside than upright, if you believe such punishment can actually ruin a young QB early in his career.

Posted by: RambleOn | March 4, 2009 12:50 PM

Ramsey was done in by a lack of talent. He can't play the NFL game. He's been in three cities and had no impact anywhere. He's out of excuses and, probably, out of the league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

""http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/78315/gmailCerrato.jpg

Posted by: SmallPen15 | March 4, 2009 12:38 PM""

AWESOME!
Hilarious!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 4, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I have forgotten more than most here will ever know about these contraptions. Believe me.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:14 PM

I believe you've forgotten more. Problem is you've retained nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Danny continues to be the kid in the candy store except that WE are the ones who get the upset stomach. Boy do I miss Jack Kent Cooke.

Posted by: chopin224 | March 4, 2009 12:13 PM |

So you miss a guy who signed a coach from Dallas, who let the team fall in disarray.

Then was such a great guy he did not figure out away to leave the team to his son.

This team was terrible for 7 years before Snyder baught it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 12:17 PM

I'm going out on a limb and guessing** that chopinbroccoli is referencing the 3 Super Bowl wins under the ownership of Jack Kent Cooke, an owner who hired football people and then got the heck out of the way.

**[By guessing, I mean assuming...in no way am I stating this as fact, and as such, am unable to provide a link to back up said assertion].

Posted by: 4-12 | March 4, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I have forgotten more than most here will ever know about these contraptions. Believe me.

Posted by: periculum | March 4, 2009 12:14 PM

I believe you've forgotten more. Problem is you've retained nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 4, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

LMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | March 4, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

Jerry Jones has 3 SB he still sucks as an owner.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bradford...are you serious. It is obvious that he is a system quarterback. What happened with Josh Heupel, Nate Hybl, or Jason White. None of them made it in the NFL. I wish people would stop complaining about JC. Last year was only his second year starting, and what his third or fourth system in as many years. Let the man settle into a system, give him a true no. 1 receiver (I love Santana but come on) and then make a judgment. Most quarterbacks don't succeed when the first start playing. How long did it take Eli to make a positive impact? Ryan and Flacco were anomalies, but they also weren't asked to win games just manage them.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 4, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm not for giving up on JC but F Bradford. Colt McCoy will blow him away in the NFL. Plus the Skins could use more Colts.

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying JKC was a bad owner, he actually did some good things.

The thing that really pissed me off was the signing of a Cowboy coach, and then sticking with him for way to long.

Believe me those desicions had to go through JKC, they were not done by the GM alone.

Remember had Beatherd nopt persuaded JKC to hire Gibbs, the Skins probably win no SB's. Then he had to persuade him not to fire him after a 0-5 start.

So JKC did some good things thanks to a persuasive GM who knew what he was doing.

Don't think for a minute that JKC didn't have say in what was going on.

All owners have a say in what is going on, no contracts are agreed to our signed without the owner seeing them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 4, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: bigfish761 | March 4, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 4, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We are who we are

Posted by: hollabolla | March 4, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

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