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Cerrato Speaks

Mark Maske reports that Vinny Cerrato spoke at the combine this afternoon and is promising a quiet free-agency period. According to Mark, Cerrato said:

"Our cap situation is okay. I just think there's a limited number of guys in free agency. The price of what guys are going to be paid is astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player. It'll be a shock to some, but I don't see us being a big player in free agency. I don't think Dan's plane will be getting fired up and ready to go. I just think it'll be a quiet start to free agency for us."
On Cartwright: "Rock was a very productive player for us. I think he wants to see what his value is on the open market."
On Collins, "I think he wants to see what's out there. I think he wants to see if there's an opportunity for him to be a starting quarterback. If not, I think he's very open to coming back."
On Springs: "I think we're on the same page with Shawn."

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  February 22, 2008; 3:37 PM ET
 
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Comments

First. I will now get a life.

Posted by: 012 | February 22, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 22, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

what does Cerrato's statement about Shawn Springs even mean?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 22, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

That they're on the same page. But who knows if they are reading the same book?

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Can we convince Snyder that he would make millions if him and Vinny C got into the ring with Kimbo Slice?

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | February 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

This is disinformation season. That said, maybe there is a reality the team is facing financially (e.g., as it relates to dead cap space after cutting Lloyd) ... and they can only restructure so many guys so many times before you get to a point of diminishing returns ... er, diminishing cap savings. Still, I have to think they need to bring in someone with experience who is ready to start at CB, even if just at the nickel back position, until Rogers is ready to go again. That nickel guy would be the insurance policy against against Springs or Smoot getting hurt before Rogers returns.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is denying us a chance at our Super Bowl. What will we do if the offseason is quiet??? Do they expect us to dissect "Lost" for 6 months???

Posted by: PDiddy | February 22, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

So I read up here that 2009 is a no cap year.
What exactly does that mean?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

From the previous thread;

BostonGreg, I thought your boy jjwil(numbers) was a funeral director. He said so himself a few months back:


Thanks for some insight Zebraskins. As for my opposing bloggers. i deal with grief every day... I am a funeral director. As i tell my families, keep your loved one in the back of you mind and in the centre of your heart but continue with your daily lives and keep busy.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | November 28, 2007 12:43 PM

Posted by: MsTeen_South_Carolina | February 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe nobody jumped on the suggestion a few threads back that we sign a dude named Tuba Rubin. I love this guy already, and I don't know anything about him. Sign him, Vinny!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

jjwil told the blog a month or so back that he made 6 figures, and was a computer engineer, or some type of engineer. Clearly you can see the intelligence it would require to be an engineer through his insightful, and well written posts...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Remarkably, cogent comment from Ms Teen.

Wow! Just wow!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy, we win the offseason championship every year, but this year it will be a come-from-behind victory due to the slow start. Have faith.

Also, this year for once we will be officially crowned the offseason champions at the offseason's Super Bowl, the Hall of Fame game. Sadly, I think the odds are fairly good that HOF weekend (inductions of Art and Darrell, the game) will be the height of glory for our beloved team this season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Can we convince Snyder that he would make millions if him and Vinny C got into the ring with Kimbo Slice?

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | February 22, 2008 03:49 PM

Would Danny and Vinny be wearing suits and ties or sweats??

Posted by: jimwell | February 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

i hope they stick to his words. There are no good CB's to be had, they have all been tagged. Mediocre players like Florence are going to cash in and probably suck. Maybe we can get a corner in the draft like Talib from Kansas. Torrence is just as good as Florence and hopefully Springs and Smoot will be healthy till Rogers gets back.

Posted by: cdubb | February 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, there is a feller out of Austin named Mark Rubin, bass fiddle master and sometime tuba player, who used to be in an awesome weirdo punk-bluegrass band called Bad Livers.

Here is a pic of this other "Tuba Rubin"

http://bp1.blogger.com/_-CEHWrFWgww/R6U6fgnkpnI/AAAAAAAAAjE/Mlm46xEEOIs/s1600-h/IMG_1067_2.JPG

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

So I read up here that 2009 is a no cap year.
What exactly does that mean?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 03:52 PM

A $250 million dollar payroll, and "Mr." Coach Snyder.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

SHAWN and him are on the same PAGE?? WTF? Same page as in SHAWN is a redskin or same page that guy is outta here?

Posted by: relishfilms | February 22, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, does the other Tuba Rubin have the proper posterior posture to perhaps take over for Rabach?

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | February 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: Shawn being on the same page, I just love it when Vinny belts out cliches in non sequitur fashion.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | February 22, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I think they have to get a Vet CB who has starting experience to play nickle. I like Torrence but if Springs get injured during preseason, I can't see him as a starter for half the year.

Posted by: mdvj | February 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

As long as they resign Fudge-Ums, I'm good.

Posted by: Dorf | February 22, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If pot were legal, would the NFL still ban players from smoking the reefer?

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

LaVar on Gregmarino -- D

ude never had even 15 seconds of fame. Time for him to move on. He brings $7.50 to my restaurant and he can have the fame of buying a beer from me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

By the way Greg, what do you do for a living?

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for some insight Zebraskins. As for my opposing bloggers. i deal with grief every day... I am a funeral director. As i tell my families, keep your loved one in the back of you mind and in the centre of your heart but continue with your daily lives and keep busy.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | November 28, 2007 12:43 PM

'Splain yo'self. like such as, maps, the iraq. beer.

Posted by: MsTeen_South_Carolina | February 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

LOL, ta, good one. Hopefully the beer isn't as over-rated as.....

jjwil, I'm a computer engineer just like you, and unlike you, I make 7 figures.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"So I read up here that 2009 is a no cap year. What exactly does that mean?"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 03:52 PM

If the statement were accurate, I think it would mean you are not supposed to wear caps. But I don't think its accurate. The hubbub is that 2010 would be the uncapped season. The CBA they JUST negotiated last spring was designed to last for four years, but the Owners could elect to opt out after two, and again after three.

If there is no CBA, there is no cap ... and The Owner becomes like Pac-Man Jones just raining money all over the place. Of course, none of the other stuff from the CBA would apply either, so things might get weird b/c the only "binding" documents in the NFL would be individual player contracts. I put that word in quotes b/c NFL contracts the are the contract equivalent of what Canadian money used to be.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, I remember that now, i was trying to prove a point and lied about being a funeral director to get my point across. Wow Teen South Carolina.... you are a big fan. How much of a loser do you have to be to actually go through past blogs to find these useless statements. Well outta here, to enjoy friday and actually talk to live people.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good, just like the 'thorough process' of the coaching search.

Just to be safe and out of my profound respect for history, I will assume the worst.

I you are board down here go over to "The Fix" blog and say something bad about "hope". Point black - they are full-on nuts up there.

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

What is "the fix" and who is "hope"?

Argh!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Yea new rule - no going back to old blogs to prove a point. Unless you are 'the evil one.'

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...a computer engineer moonlighting as a funeral director - sounds like a great plot for a FOX show - Call it "Buried in Bugs"

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Or, jjwil, is just a LAD....

Lying

Ass

Dog

Go talk to real people you fraud.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

It cannot be a coincidence that mul's incomprehensible comment was time stamped when it was, can it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else notice that Zorn says he wants Cartwright back, Cartwright has said he wants to be a Redskin for life, and Cerrato just basically said he's going to let him go test out free agency. Hmm, seems like DanVin is already taking over Zorn's plans. Great.

Posted by: tmwilliams | February 22, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Just joshing ya, mul. Awfully touchy up here today, include my fellow Portlander, podspeak.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

sween said something earlier about why we don't use the franchise tag very often.

I had a riposte ready but didn't get it up in a timely fashion... something along the lines of "why franchise when you're already paying every starting player at or above the average of the top five salaries at his position?"

Yeah, maybe I should have just kept this one under my hat...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Yea new rule - no going back to old blogs to prove a point. Unless you are 'the evil one.'"

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 04:22 PM

If that second line refers to He Who Must Not Be Named, no exceptions to the rule.

But while we're on the topic of exceptions to the rule, how can you prove an "I told you so!" if you can't travel in the way back machine to harvest an old post?

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What is "the fix" and who is "hope"?

Argh!

Posted by: Redcoat |

Hope is a dream of now and the future. It binds us and connects all life.

"The Fix" is a political blog on the WP. It is on the front page most of the time under the political story of the day.

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Nate, there might have even have been an inside joke about why no safeties got franchised in 2007 ... where the punch line is Adam Archuleta's effect on the average ... but that joke would never get delivered ... and the people waiting in line to punch the guy would get too long ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks mul! I'm a better man for that knowledge.

Now I know why I'm always hope-less, I never remember my dreams.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, (big surprise) I'm with sween, I vote nay on the proposed new blaw against using the wayback machine up here.

The Post is providing the archives, we might as well use 'em. Otherwise what have I been doing all this Great Work for?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

There are no real standout CB freeagents but D Hall is looking to get traded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

But while we're on the topic of exceptions to the rule, how can you prove an "I told you so!" if you can't travel in the way back machine to harvest an old post?

Posted by: dcsween

Have you ever 'proved' anyone wrong.

"Well the skins are not really a playoff team ...."

The rule is for ourselves, our own souls. To make my point I ask "who does the most of the thread searching."

Your mind is now coming up with BS why being like 'the evil one' is not bad.

That proves my first point.

I win. La la la la la

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If we can't continuously cross-reference everyone's current posts against their previous ones for complete consistency, what's the point of being a pedant 'up here'?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Panicking Nobleman: The peasants are revolting!
Pedant: Of course you mean 'rebelling'?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween

Have you ever 'proved' anyone wrong.

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 04:33 PM

I concur with fellow pedant Redcoat. Who has the time, energy, or negativity to try and "prove" someone wrong? I'm using every fiber of my being just to remind myself that occasionally I am NOT wrong ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yes, I remember that now, i was trying to prove a point and lied about being a funeral director to get my point across. Wow Teen South Carolina.... you are a big fan. How much of a loser do you have to be to actually go through past blogs to find these useless statements. Well outta here, to enjoy friday and actually talk to live people.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 22, 2008 04:19 PM"

Don't you love people who get caught teet deep in their own BS and than insult everyone else for engaging in exactly the same activity they are doing?!?!?! This post is one for the time capsule......

Posted by: chrislarry | February 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If we can't continuously cross-reference everyone's current posts against their previous ones for complete consistency, what's the point of being a pedant 'up here'?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 04:35 PM

I think the 'Un-nameable one' does enough of that for all of us 'up here'.

Also we are 'wasting' valuable screen space reposting and that is bad for Mother Earth.

Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

CL, no kidding. I'm an engineer, no wait, I'm a funeral director, no wait, I make a 6 figure salary, no wait, I'm so full of crap my eye's are brown.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Greg! On behalf of all brown-eyed peoples of the world I resemble that remark!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

CL,
Whatsay we trade jjwilson312003 for a 4th round pick, podspeak and a ham sandwich?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

On D'Angelo Hall ... didn't he get beat up this year ... in his OWN lockerroom ... by his own teammates? Am I remembering this wrong?

On of my fondest memories of this past season involved D'Angelo Hall (maybe it was last season). It was a night game against the Cowboys. Apparently, very early in the game, Terrell Owens SPIT right in Hall's face. After the show, Deion Saunders was interviewing T.O. and essentially lecturing him on how WRONG it is to spit on another man. And T.O.'s response was something like, "I think everyone should get over it ... I've moved on." No apologies, no regrets, just old news long gone ... like 2 hours earlier.

Posted by: dcsween | February 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Works for me stumped. All those in favo(u)r say 'aye'?

Any against?

Motion was passed nem con.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I guess I broke the blog.

I'll get me coat.

See you guys next week!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Be careful tonight, all you DC drivers - I don't miss the ice covered streets...

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 22, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I have an admission for you (especially with your fondness for ridiculously named players).

My name is Trevor Blank.

To me, that's a pretty satisfactory "odd name" to have on the Skins roster, which could be cool.

I'm just saying...

Posted by: TDawg | February 22, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Among the other topics covered by Cerrato:


From the Times Ryan O'Halloran


* After talking with Cerrato, Zorn and two team sources today, this appears to be the Redskins' want-to list: A receiver with size, one defensive end and one defensive tackle, a young center/guard and possibly a cornerback capable of playing the No. 3 spot until Carlos Rogers returns.


* Cerrato said the team and cornerback Shawn Springs "are on the same page" and he expects Springs to be back with the team in 2008.


* The Redskins don't expect to sign returner Rock Cartwright or QB Todd Collins before Feb. 29 because both players want to test the market. A team source said earlier today the Redskins expect Cartwright to return to the team after the money and job status he desires doesn't materialize.


* The Redskins are content to let Reed Doughty start at strong safety alongside LaRon Landry although they might sign a veteran to mentor the two youngsters.


* Don't expect the Redskins to be active in free agency because the pickings are rather slim: "Our cap situation is OK. There are limited guys in free agency and the price they'll be paid will be astronomical. I don't foresee us being a big player. It will be a shock to some not seeing us being a big player. Dan's plane won’t be fired up and ready to go. It will be a quiet start to free agency for us."


* Twelve teams used the franchise tag this off-season, something Cerrato sees as a continuing trend. "You know what you have and want to keep the core guys so keep the guys you know instead of the unknowns. Teams that are winning feel comfortable doing that and feel they don't need a big turnover."


Can this be a change in management's philosophy?

Posted by: marlonjohn | February 22, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It is.

They'll use the draft (like last year) to coach up some replacements.

Realistically, they know this is a transition year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"You're my boy, Blank!"


Heck, the owner in Atlanta might sign you to at least a taxi squad deal, sight unseen, with a name like that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato says he expects a slow free agency ...and the skins want continuity as well. Malarkey, all of it! The skins will do the same thing they always do. Pay too much for too little. Wake me up when something real happens.

Posted by: JustinBaker | February 22, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

And it's a badass name you've got there, a good solid fubbal name, in my opinion, Dawg. Especially if they let you put "DR." in front of it on your nameplate. Or either "PhD" behind of it. Since you'll be coming off the doctoral program. And such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I'll have one of whatever it is that mul was drinking/smoking/inhaling/injecting before.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

And so it's entered into the blog record, I've never been a computer engineer. Or a funeral director.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

You are such a liar, 4-12.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Not that anyone can look back and cite your 5:58pm comment later, of course. So I'll just get that preemptive allegation of lying on the blog record.

Not that anyone can look back and cite this allegation later, of course...

See how silly/insidious this is? Super silly. Super insidious.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

And it's a badass name you've got there, a good solid fubbal name, in my opinion, Dawg. Especially if they let you put "DR." in front of it on your nameplate. Or either "PhD" behind of it. Since you'll be coming off the doctoral program. And such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 05:55 PM

Haha, that can be my football nickname: "The Doctor"

I can see it now: "The Doc is putting a hurting on those linebackers..."

Posted by: TDawg | February 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Ah crap. You got me, Nate.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Remember when everything up here was super?

Golly, those were the days. Super, super days.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Mayberry? *sigh*

Nuthin but a bunch of lyin, BONG-smokin', merlot-sippin' hot heads up here these days.

(hmm, good times!)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

So Matt Millen says he'd blame himself too. Gee, ya think, Matt?!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/UPDATE/802220436

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

DUDE! WHAT ABOUT SAFETIES!!??

LaRon is a stud!! Doughty stepped up last year, but is he ready to be a fulltime starter?
If either Landry or Doughty gets hurt what are we gonna do? --Prioleau, Stoutmire, Fox? C'mon

We need a safety!

Posted by: kbrizzles | February 22, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

That's it. We need a "Return to Mayberry." Didn't they do a reunion show by that name?

[Of course, you know I'm off to search the intergooglesweb for it..]

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Yup, here it is. And Fife was running for Sheriff.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091846/

Posted by: 4-12 | February 22, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We need a good safety preferably via free agency b/c good rookie safeties are rare and being drafted at safety will be a bit daunting for any rookie given this teams' history.(god bless)
We also could use another corner although i like Torrence there seems to be a plethora of good corners this draft.

Or maybe we should get a big name WR and just cross our fingers and hope no one in the secondary gets hurt

Posted by: kbrizzles | February 22, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I repeat, I am NOT running for sheriff.

Do I like keeping an eye on things when jm220 is AWOL? Well, sure I do. Though he does keep the hammer locked up in his desk.

But that doesn't mean I want his job. Being deputy has its privileges. *demonstrative sniff*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Wonder which thread corkczar and Old School are hanging out on...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh!
Why do I alway have to be the one to go back and keep people moving?

(F losable)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I need to get the blood flowing before the Merlot transfusion this evening.

adieu.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 22, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

jwil, I'm a computer engineer just like you, and unlike you, I make 7 figures.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 22, 2008 04:15 PM

Greg, you're pulling 1M+ per year? Can I shoot you a resume?

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe I could shoot the WP a resume and take a crack at fixing this blog.

What a bloody shambles this loseable type thing is

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ctrl-C is your friend! Copy before you submit!


Learn it. Know it. Live it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Ctrl-C is your friend! Copy before you submit!


Learn it. Know it. Live it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I took Vinny saying they Redskins and Springs are on the same page is drawing a contrast to where they stood last year (where they were clearly not on the same page)...

Posted by: clearycommerce | February 22, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else feel good about the fact that we are not gonna shoot our wad before August? I mean maybe they did learn from Gibbs 2. Under the second era I remember when we lay low in FA we make the playoffs. Maybe VD learned it too.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 22, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I mean maybe they did learn from Gibbs 2.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 22, 2008 08:05 PM

I think they just don't have any money under the cap to buy a free agent this year. Otherwise, it would be bombs away.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 22, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

CBSsportsline mock draft.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10606857

Please not another UM reciever! Have mercy on us all if they really pick this guy.

Posted by: clearycommerce | February 22, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

As a Michigan fan I can say that this would be a good addition although I don't think we should take a WR in the first (or second) round. Worried about a Michigan receiver huh? I'd say that Braylon's pretty good. Don't let one bad apple way back when spoil your whole bunch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's the whole Cerrato statement concerning Springs:

* Cerrato said the team and cornerback Shawn Springs "are on the same page" and he expects Springs to be back with the team in 2008.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Found this interesting:

http://www.kffl.com/blog/index.php?mode=extended&blogger=58&blog=437&month=02&year=2008

Recently hired Washington Redskins head coach Jim Zorn offered up some tremendous insight as to how he plans to utilize his prized tailback, Clinton Portis, and the versatile Ladell Betts in the same backfield.

Here are a few excerpts of what he had to say:

Me: How do you envision using Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts?

Zorn: "In the passing game, or the running game?"

Me: Both, and specifically the combo approach.

Zorn: "The things I've seen from Clinton Portis is that he's not only a great one-back runner, I think he can run behind our fullback. I also think he's a heckuva pass blocker. To be able to leave Clinton in there in a critical passing down, to threat with the run or draw or screen, and then be able to have him pass protect in a blitz situation, yeah, I think that kind a wholeness of offense. That's what I'm hoping for with him."

Me: Can you see using Betts and Portis together?

Zorn: "Absolutely. Ladell is going to be a complement to Clinton. Ladell can come in - we had almost the exact parallel situation in Seattle with (Maurice) Morris and Shaun Alexander. We wouldn't be them in the same backfield as well, because Clinton right now is proving he's a really strong pass protector. Shaun was proving he was a strong runner, but a limited pass protection I would say in my mind. But I think that's luxury we're going to have is to put them in the backfield at the same time. It would be all the time. Those are change-ups. Those are add-ons, attachments."

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

scampbell, what are your thoughts on Merling? You are the stat man!

21. Washington Redskins--Philip Merling, DE, Clemson

Merling is an enormous defensive end with the quickness to get to the passer. With the departure of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, the Redskins can no longer rely on his scheme in order to be successful on the defensive side of the ball. Williams got the most out his players and I think the Redskins are going to miss him more than they think.

The Redskins are going to have to gravitate towards player with talent and instincts, and Merling fits that mold. Offensive tackle Jeff Otah could also be an option for the Redskins, but right now Merling is the pick.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 22, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Q: Clown says what?

A: Whatever Danny tells him.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 22, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Q: Clown says what?

A: Whatever Danny tells him.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 22, 2008 09:45 PM


Funniest (sp) post of the night. more toilet humor for you.

Clown calls arlen specter-

Arlen Specter: Hello

Clown Says: Shut the hell up and suck it!

Posted by: stivic | February 22, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

take my post, you worthless piece of sh*t piece of blogging software

argh indeed!

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

well i looked all around the site
and only this blog's performance is sh*te
so I gotta say
will they fix this someday
so I can blog with someone else?

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

blog with someone else
oh oh oh-oh
blog with someone else

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

what a joy it would be
to see comments not from me
so I could blog with someone else

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

egr- loseable type is eating more posts than a 350 pound bulimic at the Golden Corral All You Can Eat buffet

WP is a world class paper, could it at least upgrade to middle of the road wiki software?

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 22, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Adam, are you the only one awake? Don't mean to intrude on your blogging!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 22, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I think Philip is a beast. He's 6'5" tall and 280+ pounds with the build to add weight. He gets into the backfield very well. His 2005-2006 stats are decent but his 2007 stats are awesome with 78 tackles, 17 tackles for loss and 7 sacks.

40-Time: 4.75, pretty fast for a big man.

Overview: Returning starter and all-star candidate at defensive end...nearly doubled his tackle production as a sophomore over his freshman year when he was a freshman All-American...went from four quarterback pressures to 20 as a sophomore...has played 25 consecutive games over two years and has 13 consecutive starts...averaged 39 plays per game in 2006, up from 23 plays per game in 2005...has 14 tackles for loss and five sacks in his career...has had one caused fumble each of the last two years...nephew of Clemson Defensive Line Coach Chris Rumph, his position coach...played tight end and defensive end at Fork Union Military Academy in 2004, the same prep school Gaines Adams attended before coming to Clemson...played in the Tennessee/Kentucky All-Star game after his prep career at Cordova High in Memphis, TN...played his prep school ball with current Clemson teammates Durrell Barry and Elsmore Gabriel.

2006: Started all 13 games and totaled 46 tackles, third-most among defensive linemen...ninth on the team in tackles on Clemson's top-16 total and scoring defense...had 10 tackles for loss, second-most on the team behind Gaines Adams...finished the season strong with at least four tackles in each of the last six contests...had 30 of his 46 tackles during the last six games...finished the season with five tackles along with a tackle for loss against Kentucky in the Music City Bowl...had a season-high six tackles against Maryland...had three quarterback pressures against N.C. State...second on the team in quarterback pressures with 20...had two tackles for loss for 22 yards at Boston College in 60 snaps of action...had 1.5 tackles for loss at Virginia Tech...had five tackles in each of the last two games...played at least 42 snaps in each of the last five games.

2005: Won the 12th Man Award for the defense as a rookie...second-team freshman All-America defensive end by Rivals.com...played 271 snaps, fifth among Clemson freshmen and second among first-year freshmen...had his top game against #25 Boston College when he had six tackles, including five first hits, in a season-high 47 plays...had a strong game at N.C. State with three tackles in 18 plays; he had a caused fumble along with his first career sack...had a sack against Duke...played double figures in plays in every game but one...played 11 snaps against Colorado and had one tackle.


For more:
http://www.nfl-draft-site.com/2008/01/spotlight-on-phillip-merling-for-2008.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks scampbell. Seems to get better each year. Sounds like the kind of DL we need!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 22, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Old media + Old reporter = Crap IT


Posted by: mul | February 22, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Eagles Fan Adam/argh, dude, sometimes I just kill the browser, take a stroll, and come back with a fresh start. I know on an intellectual level that that has no bearing on the performance of Loseable Type, but it does make me feel a tad better.

And again, CTRL-C. It's a lifesaver.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Question for you, Adam/argh: I haven't seen a whole lot about McNabb except for a few rumors... do you think he'll be under center in Philly this fall? When do you think the Iggles will decide, either way?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 22, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I think getting either Merling or Campbell would be good acquisitions. Campbell's production dropped off last year while Merling's increased. the knock on Campbell seems to be that he doesn't always give it his best, at times looking quite apathetic. Calais is a little slower (but not much) but taller. Merling ca be either a DE or a OLB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 22, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I have heard mixed reviews on Campbell, but not much on Merling. Sounds like he would be nice on the other side of Carter.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 22, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, Miami played higher (somewhat) quality opponents in 2007 but I'd rather have a guy that gets better and plays hard all the time then a guy that takes a few plays off. Merling had a good game against BC which had a very good O line.

NFL Draft Scout wrote:
01/10/08 - Clemson junior defensive end Phillip Merling has decided to enter the National Football League draft. The native of St. Matthews, SC led Clemson in tackles for loss with 17 and quarterback sacks with seven in 2007, helping the Tigers to a top 10 national ranking in scoring defense and total defense. Merling had 78 tackles this season to rank fourth on the team, first among defensive linemen. He was named ACC Defensive Lineman of the Week three times, more than any other ACC player. It marked the first time since 2001 that a Clemson player was named ACC Player of the Week three times.

Here's a little more:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58111

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Agree, Merling looks really promising, but may work himself into an earlier draft then 21 with a good combine. Your first link made it appear he may be under the radar of most teams, but the combine could change that.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Love this comment:

* Zorn on if he has a feel for the Redskins' personnel: "No. If I do for a feel, it's really on the surface. Once you're around the guys in practice and meetings and you see the work ethic, see if they are any whiners, see what guys come ready to work. That's when I'll have a better feel for what the team is about."

Here is the link:
http://video1.washingtontimes.com/redskins/2008/02/day_2_combine_wrap_ryan_ohallo.html

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

"If the owners terminate the CBA, in which they felt they gave way too much money to the players, then Upshaw said there are four alternatives: a strike, lockout, union decertification (a tactic that would allow the union to sue under antitrust law, which the NFLPA used to get free agency) or a contract extension. A termination of the deal would make 2009 the final year with a salary cap and 2010 an uncapped year. The contract expires in 2011. The union went out on strike for 57 days in 1982 and 24 days in 1987."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2008/02/01/2008-02-01_gene_upshaw_threatens_strike.html

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 23, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

So who do we still like in the draft tonight? (We just wish Mike Mayock would stop screwing up some of these possibilities.)

1st Round: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

2nd Round: Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana

3rd Round: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

4th Round: Traded to Denver

5th Round: Donald Thomas, G, U.Conn

6th Round: Letroy Guion, DT, Florida State

7th Round: Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 23, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

This is your Zorn on drugs.

"One possibility on the roster is Brandon Lloyd, the former high-priced acquisition who fell into disfavor under former coach Joe Gibbs. Lloyd could be a candidate to be released, but Zorn said he'd like to speak to Lloyd first.

'He's fresh on my mind because he's fairly new to the program,' Zorn said. 'He hasn't had success for whatever reason, injury or lack of opportunity. But I'd sure like to sit down with him and talk and see what his mind-set is and where he's at.'"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/22/AR2008022202836.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 23, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Love the Rock!

As anyone who has ever lifted before on the bench press knows, the bench press is about measuring upper body strength. The NFL measures it by how many times a player can lift 225 pounds. Only repetitions that occur quickly and to the full arm length are recorded as official. The average number of repetitions by running backs is about 15. The most ever lifted by a running back was 30, lifted by the appropriately named Rock Cartwright of Kansas State in 2002. Cartwright now plays for the Washington Redskins.

http://www.theolympian.com/sports/story/367839.html

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

This is your Zorn on drugs.

"One possibility on the roster is Brandon Lloyd, the former high-priced acquisition who fell into disfavor under former coach Joe Gibbs. Lloyd could be a candidate to be released, but Zorn said he'd like to speak to Lloyd first.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 23, 2008 06:28 AM

"Fell into disfavor"? Don't you mean he leaped head first into disfavor and revelled in it?

I could understand this if Zorn had just taken the job yesterday, but after more than three days on the job how can he say this? Maybe he saw something when Lloyd was playing for the 49ers because Lloyd flat out stinks in Washington.

Someday Zorn may put on the last straw, the straw that breaks the camel's back, but this is the first straw.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Love the Rock!
Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 07:22 AM

I did not know that about the Rock. You learn something every day.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

As I recall Rock came out of college a FB, but due to the situation on the Redskins at the time he lost weight to play RB instead. He might not be able to bench 30 after losing the weight.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think about the Freak, Kearse being released? Any interest for the skins?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

HAvent posted in a while. Work has completely shut down our internets capability.

Havent read the 8000 comments since that forever Frost post... but in purusing the posts by EGR, does it seem like Zorn gets it and even more surprisingly Vinny may get it?

I know it could be smoke screen, but Vinny doesnt think there is a market for all the high priced guys out there and we arent gonna be players?

Go Combine and Draft!!

Posted by: Zebraskins | February 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think about the Freak, Kearse being released? Any interest for the skins?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 23, 2008 09:05 AM

He's washed up.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Good article on the Zorniac, I'm getting to like this guy.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/SPORTS01/360787168/1023

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes you have to use the phrase Sergei Bubka always used to motivate himself: "If not me, who? If not now, when?"

Posted by: Redcoat | February 22, 2008 03:25 PM

Don't see a lot of Sergei Bubka references outside of the Ukraine. Coat, were hit hitting the Pimms at lunchtime?

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

What do you all think about the Freak, Kearse being released? Any interest for the skins?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 23, 2008 09:05 AM

"He jumped to the Eagles as a free agent in 2004. After recovering from a serious knee injury in 2006, Kearse was buried on the depth chart in 2007."

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Here is another article on Zorn:

http://was.scout.com/a.z?s=71&p=2&c=731360

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

From the Wash Times article (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/SPORTS01/360787168/1023):

"We've told Todd he's important to this club, but he's not going to get that chance [to compete] because Jason is our starting QB and here's why: Jason must know he's the starter," Zorn said. "...He's going to play 16 games, and he's going to lead us into the playoffs as far as I'm concerned."
_____________________

This has an "aw, shucks" feel to it, as if it's going to turn up again on RI as a contrast quote the day Campbell goes down again (knee injury preseason, knee injury late regular season 2007) and Collins (or whomever is No. 2) has to step in.

I like Campbell, Joe Gibbs liked Campbell, but I got a sense that while he may be bright and studious and conscientious, he doesn't have the brand of smarts of Collins or Brunell, who didn't take so long to blossom. You can attribute it to 9 offenses in 10 years -- or however many -- but at some point, he's got to be able to deliver consistently. I think, and this is not a new thought, that the end of the season sort of proved that the problems Campbell was having early on were not really the fault of the receivers dropping the balls so much as it was the receivers were dropping balls because Campbell wasn't on the money.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Can no longer root for Zack.

ZACH GOES HOME
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2008, 11:57 a.m.
After receiving offers from the Patriots and the Saints in the past few days, linebacker Zach Thomas has opted to join a team that plays in his home state.

Per a league source, Thomas has agreed to terms with the Dallas Cowboys. He's a Texas native, and played college football at Texas Tech.

It's a multi-year deal. No further details are available at this time.

Thomas was a fifth-round draft pick of the Dolphins in 1996. He spent twelve years in Miami.

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/23/zach-goes-home/

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Pats have passed on their contract option with Dante Stallworth, who is now a free agent.

Anyone, anyone?

Bueheller?

Posted by: TDawg | February 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I would be cool with signing Donte Stallworth...

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Pats have passed on their contract option with Dante Stallworth, who is now a free agent.

Posted by: TDawg | February 23, 2008 12:41 PM

When he was coming out of college, Snyder and Cerrato were trying to trade up to draft him. Maybe their interest has waned. The guy has been on three teams and he has never had a 1000 yard season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

te,
touche, but i bet he'd be a nice option to pick up-- then we wouldn't have to necessarily draft a WR and could focus on more pressing needs, like the O-Line.

Posted by: TDawg | February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is no Bobby Bethard nor even Casserly. Cerrato seems to enjoy his leg humping position with Snyder, and like Peter Angelos these two seem to try to do the right things but somehow they both are snake bit. I the spring of 2003 I was working downtown closing a sales deal and it was a nice day outside and everybody seemed to have their windows open in their houses. This particular day Daniel Snyder called a press conference to introduce the next Coach of the Washington Redskins and when Joe Gibbs took the podium I honestly heard whooping, cheering, and loud happy yelling for blocks around, as all was good again in my town.
Is Zorn only going to be around until Bill Cowher becomes available? I would not want to be a player on that team with what 7 transitional coaches in 9 years? Leadership starts at the top and it is up to the owner to give up his idea that he knows anything about football or Cerrato knows anything about football and go out and get a proven General Manager and the Owner DS should back away like JKC did in the 70's-80's-90's. The only way this team is ever going to win is when the leg humper leaves town!

Posted by: jlawjr | February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is no Bobby Bethard nor even Casserly. Cerrato seems to enjoy his leg humping position with Snyder, and like Peter Angelos these two seem to try to do the right things but somehow they both are snake bit. I the spring of 2003 I was working downtown closing a sales deal and it was a nice day outside and everybody seemed to have their windows open in their houses. This particular day Daniel Snyder called a press conference to introduce the next Coach of the Washington Redskins and when Joe Gibbs took the podium I honestly heard whooping, cheering, and loud happy yelling for blocks around, as all was good again in my town.
Is Zorn only going to be around until Bill Cowher becomes available? I would not want to be a player on that team with what 7 transitional coaches in 9 years? Leadership starts at the top and it is up to the owner to give up his idea that he knows anything about football or Cerrato knows anything about football and go out and get a proven General Manager and the Owner DS should back away like JKC did in the 70's-80's-90's. The only way this team is ever going to win is when the leg humper leaves town!

Posted by: jlawjr | February 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Pats have passed on their contract option with Dante Stallworth, who is now a free agent.

Posted by: TDawg | February 23, 2008 12:41 PM

We need a tall reciever for our new offense.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

TDawg,

On Stallworth, I think it depends on who else is on the market and how much he would cost. He's productive, but hasn't lived up to what people were expecting coming out of college. This is a year when there are many good WRs in free agency, plus a deep group in the draft. Shouldn't be hard to upgrade here, provided Zorn can be convinced to let Brandon Lloyd go.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see him fall to our second pick. Can't always go with combine numbers. Most likely wishfull thinking.

OTAH'S STOCK COULD SLIDE
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2008, 11:24 a.m.
Pitt offensive tackle Jeff Otah ran a sssslow time in the 40-yard dash.

One scout had Otah's time clocked at 5.55 seconds.

Otah is regarded as having first-round potential. But running too slow at the Combine could hurt him.

You can watch live video, from multiple angles, of the Scouting Combine at NFL.com

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/23/otahs-stock-could-slide/

Most likely wishfull thinking.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Ticket invoice just arrived. Let the burning commence.

Dorf/anybody else interested in buying the whole season?

Posted by: johnw | February 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Otah clocked 5.55? Good thing he isn't a Guard. He'd better have a good field workout, or he will be back to being a 3rd round projection.

Posted by: tafka | February 23, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the combine right now and the worst thing about Otah is the fact that he stands straight up, bad for an OL, especially one of his height. That will hurt his stock more than anything, guess it can be corrected though. You would think that he would have learned it by now. Those NFL DL's will learn him in a hurry.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Can no longer root for Zack.

ZACH GOES HOME
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2008, 11:57 a.m.
After receiving offers from the Patriots and the Saints in the past few days, linebacker Zach Thomas has opted to join a team that plays in his home state.

Per a league source, Thomas has agreed to terms with the Dallas Cowboys. He's a Texas native, and played college football at Texas Tech.

It's a multi-year deal. No further details are available at this time.

Thomas was a fifth-round draft pick of the Dolphins in 1996. He spent twelve years in Miami.

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/23/zach-goes-home/

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 12:39 PM

Well, at least he'll be close to home when his brain gets scrambled and he needs a nursing home and someone to wipe the drool from his face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

pass on stallworth and his pricetag...

skins have dedicated to much moola to WR over the last 4 seasons...need to be thrify on that slot by:

- signing hungry for redemption vet at low salary with incentives (porter, moose or other)

or

- young 3rd guy in the Hacket/bryant jouhnson mold

and

- draft a guy from deep wr draft class

and

- look to develop mix

Don't overspend, again, at WR!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | February 23, 2008 02:19 PM

Agree with all but:
- signing hungry for redemption vet at low salary with incentives (porter, moose or other)

With the depth of WR in the draft, we should leave all FA WR alone. Give Mix his chance and draft youth.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Donte´ Stallworth is a good receiver with the type of performance/stats that was expected out of Brandon Lloyd. At 6'0 tall, he towers over Santana and ARE, but that makes him only about Caldwell's size. He would probably be a very good pick-up for the Redskins at a reasonable price. My guess is that some other team will offer him a lot of money.

Posted by: tafka | February 23, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Porter would be a really nice pick-up if you get the "good" Jerry Porter, rather than the "moody" Jerry Porter. Coming from the Raiders, he might even think the Redskins are a step up. Maybe Zorn can give Mix a copy of "Jerry Porter's Greatest Hits" and tell Mix to memorize those moves before he shows up for OTAs.

Posted by: tafka | February 23, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive. I think a Vet FA with a vet min plus incentives and rookie and Mix could be the answer...

BUTT

if it is a choice I agree draft/Mix route is best.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 23, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I think that by not going out and getting the big hot names, Dan and Vinny have shown that they did learn something from JG. In fact, im sure that was one of the stipulations when JG 2.0 started up. JG would teach the DannyVin how to run things...a rich man's tutor of sorts.

I mean cuz honestly, at first, Danny thought u could just throw money at players and coaches and that the team would win. After getting burned numerous times, it seems like they stopped going after the hottest new thing. Now it doesnt seem likely that ocho-cinco is coming here, or Lance Briggs.

Im proud to be a Redskin. An owner who does not balk at signing bonuses, who has learned from his mistakes. Someone who gives us a competitive edge.

HAIL!!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 23, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Dat Pot,

hopefully....sorta remains to be seen right? I mean FA hasn't even begun....but Bro I hope your right!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 23, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

We won't know for a while whether Dan and Vinny have learned the hard lessons of free agency. Gibbs was not a good example with Archuleta and Lloyd so if they learned from Gibbs it was from his mistakes.

But, more importantly, the Skins will not be active in free agency because they cannot be active in free agency. They don't have the money under the cap to do anything except, maybe, cut Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

And dont blame the cap situation either...that never been a problem.

Trust me, any FA signing will be low key. No big splashes. And as far as continuity, they HAVE kept the D intact. And given the restructured contracts, with more to come if necessary, I dont see a major player overhaul. Rock and Collins are replaceable. I really dont think how anyone can see Collins as being anything other than a guy who got good running one system...only cuz he was in it for what, 7, 8 years?

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 23, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Also, Jerry Porter is from this area. He was interviewed the other day and was wearing a Nationals cap.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hold up. FA busts and FA washups are two totally different things to me. BLloyd and Arch were decent players before they came here. Wasnt Arch a GG idea? Not that anyone can be for sure. But, neither player was on the downside of thier career. Not like Mark Carrier, or Primetime or George. They didnt give up Rocky for that Briggs trade last year. Mark Brunell was a Gibbs man. Lets blame Byner for TJ Duckett!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 23, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

And dont blame the cap situation either...that never been a problem.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 23, 2008 02:53 PM

Well, it is now. And the reason is that they never saw it as a problem in the past. Their hands are tied this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

In the past the Redskins would act fast and sign the guys they wanted on the first couple of days of free agency. It may be that this year they'll let the dust settle first and maybe look for a bargain. It may be that some FAs are expecting more than they'll get and the Skins will look to sign a player or two if their price comes down.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci about to interview Zorn on NFL Network.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 23, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

why is vasquez so undisciplined?

Posted by: dealer | February 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

TA,

Your discounting the one thing this FO does well, and that is creative budgeting and salary cap manipulation....they are not done cutting and restructuring, they will have some spending money....and I agree with skinsfanman, I hope they chill and bargain hunt FA with that post restructuring allowance.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You guys should check this guy out: Trevor Laws DT. If any of you saw the Senior Bowl, he was dominate. Also managed to accumulate 113 tackles in 12 games.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15894

Probably have to take him in the second, unless we move up in the third.

Posted by: anotherwes | February 23, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm all about having fun. You know, get a couple of cocktails in me. Start a fire in someone's kitchen. Maybe go to Sea World and take my pants off.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 23, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Viscount, you would take your pants off on porpoise?

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Posted by: mvdame | February 23, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic here: the reason there is no FO plans for pursuing FA is that there is no money in the salary cap bank. Consider:
-having restructured a high percentage of the high $ players, they are barely under the cap
-they are under the 51 player roster, so filling that out will count against it
-they have to reserve $5-7 MM for draft picks.

So before we congratulate VD on moderation, let's 1) realize that they basically can't do anything and 2) wait and see if they try anyway.

Posted by: laurajackson | February 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic here: the reason there is no FO plans for pursuing FA is that there is no money in the salary cap bank. Consider:
-having restructured a high percentage of the high $ players, they are barely under the cap
-they are under the 51 player roster, so filling that out will count against it
-they have to reserve $5-7 MM for draft picks.

So before we congratulate VD on moderation, let's 1) realize that they basically can't do anything and 2) wait and see if they try anyway.

Posted by: laurajackson | February 23, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

W/this FO you just have to hold your breath and hope. The thing about this years draft is we could meet most of our needs drafting smart and finding the undrafted FA that could be groomed. We do not need to be players this FA season.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

W/this FO you just have to hold your breath and hope. The thing about this years draft is we could meet most of our needs drafting smart and finding the undrafted FA that could be groomed. We do not need to be players this FA season.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 23, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Vinny finally said something I agree with. The players available in FA are gonna be past their prime for the most part and the cost is gonna be out of whack. If this team was 9-7 hurt with the problems of St. Joe's gameday mannagement why not let the same guys come back and see if it was a fluke.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Just heard that we are 1 of 2 teams after D Hall. The other is Dallas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Where did you hear that.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Jacoby looking for job in NFL
By Ryan O'Halloran
February 23, 2008
INDIANAPOLIS -- Joe Jacoby, car dealer/radio analyst, is trying to become Joe Jacoby, NFL assistant coach.

Jacoby, the former Washington Redskins offensive lineman who won three Super Bowl rings and played in four Pro Bowls, is attending this week's NFL Scouting Combine with the hope of starting his coaching career 15 years after he retired as a player.


http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/SPORTS/698628051/1005

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Lots of good info dudes. But I do think the blog is to focused on WR. Vinny and I put it as a secondary need (that is sort of a joke).

D line the big one. 2 of the first 3 should be D line because the FA are no good and will be $$$$. You don't hit on every draft pick but one thing Vinny has done well are 1st and 2nd round drafting - even before gibbs

My vote 1 DE and 1 DT plus best (CB, WR, LB, OL) in the first 3 rounds.

Posted by: mul | February 23, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I have been watching the combine and I saw the draft order and Minnesota is listed at #21 please tell me that is a mistake by NFL network.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 23, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I have been watching the combine and I saw the draft order and Minnesota is listed at #21 please tell me that is a mistake by NFL network.


Unless we made a blockbuster trade for their RB I doubt it.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

So I would not mind seeing us sign Joe Jacoby as Bugg's assistant. The article says that the Rams got him right now but why not you know.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

My vote 1 DE and 1 DT plus best (CB, WR, LB, OL) in the first 3 rounds.

Posted by: mul | February 23, 2008 06:44 PM

Mul,

Sounds good to me I would be very happy with that.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 23, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Mul, kmdp4

I agree with the needs but not the methodology. I am a deep believer in the rule from last year, with your first pick take the best available player. There is no such thing as a "blue chip" in the NFL, but I think you want to get as close as possible with that first guy.

look at the LL pick last year for a example of what I mean. Safety was not our number one need but it was a great pick, and I don't want to think what our position at that spot would be with out him now.

Fill the holes in with the other six rounds but I think you go best available regardless of position. That said I don't think you want to use it on a QB, RB, TE positions where we are set.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Where did you hear that.


Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2008 06:39 PM

espn

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I have been watching the combine and I saw the draft order and Minnesota is listed at #21 please tell me that is a mistake by NFL network.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 23, 2008 06:44 PM

I'm sure it's just a mistake. I haven't heard anything about a change there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 23, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love that the combine makes it possible for one man to say about another "Look at the body on this guy"!

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 23, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn taking a second look at Brandon Lloyd is a bad idea. Lloyd is a young, immature guy... but he's a professional athlete. Most athletes are competitive people, and don't like to be humiliated.

If Lloyd feels like he could get a fresh start, who knows? Maybe he'll decide he doesn't want to go out like a sucker. A lot of ex-Skins have gotten their fresh start with other teams and excelled.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Dare I say that maybe the REDSKINS Front Office is learning from their past mistakes??

No Big Splash Coaching Hire.....Almost all their draft picks.....making someone actually responsible (Cerrato is basically GM now)...not raising ticket prices.....Focusing on building around their youth.

Sorry to say to all the BOOBIRDS.....I like what I'm seeing from ZORN so far.

As they say....a happy worker is a productive worker....maybe this whole Front Office being in sync could be a good thing.

Can't wait for the DRAFT.....

IMO...top needs.....DE, WR, CB/S, LB, OL

Posted by: goosedude | February 24, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I think that I just sharted in my pants.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 24, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Zorn taking a second look at Brandon Lloyd is a bad idea. Lloyd is a young, immature guy... but he's a professional athlete. Most athletes are competitive people, and don't like to be humiliated.

If Lloyd feels like he could get a fresh start, who knows? Maybe he'll decide he doesn't want to go out like a sucker. A lot of ex-Skins have gotten their fresh start with other teams and excelled.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 23, 2008 10:26 PM

Lloyd acting like a B*tch is as predictable as Bush seeing progress in Iraq, Vinny kissing Dan's fat As$, and Dan acting like a stupid monkey.

I can not disprove what has not yet happened but we really should not give any of them the benefit of the doubt.

Right now we are not in Bad shape, it just does not look good. That is why people ran the other way (including Zorn) when Dan came calling.

Posted by: mul | February 24, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Official Draft Order (from NFLNetwork)

No. Team Notes
1 Dolphins
2 Rams
3 Falcons
4 Raiders
5 Chiefs
6 Jets
7 Patriots From 49ers
8 Ravens
9 Bengals
10 Saints
11 Bills
12 Broncos
13 Panthers
14 Bears
15 Lions
16 Cardinals
17 Vikings
18 Texans
19 Eagles
20 Buccaneers
21 Redskins
22 Cowboys From Browns
23 Steelers
24 Titans
25 Seahawks
26 Jaguars
27 Chargers
28 Cowboys
29 49ers From Colts
30 Packers
31 Giants
Note: The first round will have only 31 picks. The Patriots' first-round pick was revoked.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Official Draft Order (from NFLNetwork)

No. Team Notes
1 Dolphins
2 Rams
3 Falcons
4 Raiders
5 Chiefs
6 Jets
7 Patriots From 49ers
8 Ravens
9 Bengals
10 Saints
11 Bills
12 Broncos
13 Panthers
14 Bears
15 Lions
16 Cardinals
17 Vikings
18 Texans
19 Eagles
20 Buccaneers
21 Redskins
22 Cowboys From Browns
23 Steelers
24 Titans
25 Seahawks
26 Jaguars
27 Chargers
28 Cowboys
29 49ers From Colts
30 Packers
31 Giants
Note: The first round will have only 31 picks. The Patriots' first-round pick was revoked.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Official Draft Order (from NFLNetwork)

No. Team Notes
1 Dolphins
2 Rams
3 Falcons
4 Raiders
5 Chiefs
6 Jets
7 Patriots From 49ers
8 Ravens
9 Bengals
10 Saints
11 Bills
12 Broncos
13 Panthers
14 Bears
15 Lions
16 Cardinals
17 Vikings
18 Texans
19 Eagles
20 Buccaneers
21 Redskins
22 Cowboys From Browns
23 Steelers
24 Titans
25 Seahawks
26 Jaguars
27 Chargers
28 Cowboys
29 49ers From Colts
30 Packers
31 Giants
Note: The first round will have only 31 picks. The Patriots' first-round pick was revoked.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Official Draft Order (from NFLNetwork)

No. Team Notes
1 Dolphins
2 Rams
3 Falcons
4 Raiders
5 Chiefs
6 Jets
7 Patriots From 49ers
8 Ravens
9 Bengals
10 Saints
11 Bills
12 Broncos
13 Panthers
14 Bears
15 Lions
16 Cardinals
17 Vikings
18 Texans
19 Eagles
20 Buccaneers
21 Redskins
22 Cowboys From Browns
23 Steelers
24 Titans
25 Seahawks
26 Jaguars
27 Chargers
28 Cowboys
29 49ers From Colts
30 Packers
31 Giants
Note: The first round will have only 31 picks. The Patriots' first-round pick was revoked.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see the blog isn't working worth a damn, as usual.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Official Draft Order (from NFLNetwork)

No. Team Notes
1 Dolphins
2 Rams
3 Falcons
4 Raiders
5 Chiefs
6 Jets
7 Patriots From 49ers
8 Ravens
9 Bengals
10 Saints
11 Bills
12 Broncos
13 Panthers
14 Bears
15 Lions
16 Cardinals
17 Vikings
18 Texans
19 Eagles
20 Buccaneers
21 Redskins
22 Cowboys From Browns
23 Steelers
24 Titans
25 Seahawks
26 Jaguars
27 Chargers
28 Cowboys
29 49ers From Colts
30 Packers
31 Giants
Note: The first round will have only 31 picks. The Patriots' first-round pick was revoked.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see the blog isn't working worth a damn, as usual.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 24, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Chirp,
What's that schedule One more time? No I am kidding the blog's abilities to work has been bad I keep getting an error after I post.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me why the Bucs are drafting ahead of us when they won their division?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Here is how Danny boy can use his past mistakes to his advantage.

He finds out what players the giants, eagles, and cowboys are going for and flies them in and jacks their price tag up while alkl along he knows he wont sign them. Put the VaGiants, Cowgirls and iggles over the cap.

Posted by: mrodlauer | February 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

http://www.gbnreport.com/3-roundprojection.html

This is mock draft from GBN. Like a lot of drafts they have a lot of DLmen going high. If the Skins go DL they have their choice between Calais Campbell and Kentwan Balmer. If they go OL then the pick looks like it should be Branden Albert or Jeff Otah. Albert would have more versatility and would therefore be a better fit, and though Albert is projected here as early 2nd, it doesn't really seem a reach at 21.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Cardinals | Team will honor Fitzgerald's contract
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:56:24 -0800

During an interview at the NFL Scouting Combine, Arizona Cardinals vice president of football operations Rod Graves said he does not believe it was a mistake to structure WR Larry Fitzgerald's contract the way they did. "There's not many of the players taken in the top three that actually go on to be two and three-time Pro Bowlers during their rookie contract. So Larry has earned the right to be where he is and I think the contract is a good one for us. It recognizes his accomplishments. It is what it is. He has earned the right to be where he is and we also determined that if we should be at this point, we'd be back at the bargaining table to work out a long-term deal that was a little more palatable for the organization." When asked if the team would swallow the contract if no extension could be worked out, Graves said: "Yes, we will."

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Patriots | Samuel looking for 10-year contract
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:11 -0800

Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel, who will become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, is reportedly looking for a 10-year contract worth $100 million. He is also looking for $30 million guaranteed up front.

NFL | Balmer measures in at NFL Combine
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:27:36 -0800

Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports North Carolina DT Kentwan Balmer measured in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine with a height of 6-foot-4 1/2 and a weight of 308 pounds.

NFL | C. Campbell measures in at NFL Scouting Combine
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:54:38 -0800

University of Miami DL Calais Campbell measured in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine with a height of 6-foot-7 1/2 and a weight of 290 pounds with a 35 1/2-inch wingspan.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Lisa_R

I heard on the radio that the Skins played a hearder schedule than the Bucs. Hence we pick after them.

Posted by: mdvj | February 24, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

NFL | Albert weighs in at NFL Scouting Combine
Fri, 22 Feb 2008 09:25:51 -0800

University of Virginia OL Branden Albert weighed in at the 2008 NFL Scouting Combine Thursday, Feb. 21, at 6-foot-5 1/2 and 309 pounds. Albert said he plans on working out at the NFL Combine. His agent is Todd France.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, mdvj....

I have to say that makes absolutely no sense to me. Our schedule was harder so we are being penalized? The NFL world is truly strange.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I have been watching the combine and I saw the draft order and Minnesota is listed at #21 please tell me that is a mistake by NFL network.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 23, 2008 06:44 PM

Yea, it's stupid, but it means that we're better, so we draft later.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess it makes sense this time, Lisa. Better teams draft later, so if you achieved the same record against more difficult opposition, you must be the better team.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I copied Lisa's last comment and pasted it and it added one from last night instead. Wierd

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Patriots | Samuel looking for 10-year contract
Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:15:11 -0800

Karen Guregian, of the Boston Herald, reports New England Patriots CB Asante Samuel, who will become an unrestricted free agent this offseason, is reportedly looking for a 10-year contract worth $100 million. He is also looking for $30 million guaranteed up front


Is this guy smoking crack?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Is this guy smoking crack?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 24, 2008 10:44 AM

Most of these FA's are smoking something. This is the main reason we need to start building through the draft and develop our own players. Crazy!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 24, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, CRAZY!

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=1741&line=112906&spln=1

The Redskins could be interested in dealing for Javon Walker, according to the Denver Post.
The Redskins and Broncos often do offseason business, with Denver usually taking advantage of Washington (Clinton Portis-Champ Bailey, Ashley Lelie-T.J. Duckett-draft picks). Considering Walker's knee issues, this sounds like another potential robbery. The Post adds that if a Walker deal falls through, Washington could turns its attention to Jerry Porter. Feb. 24 - 12:37 pm et
Source: Denver Post

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 24, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins trade for a guy coming off an injury who may get cut, all signs will be pointing to going back to the stupid old ways of doing business.

Walker's deal - it might make it prohibitive to cut or trade him without a restructure - or any other contract maneuverings will have to be addressed at an appropriate date. Until then, the plan is to abide by the terms of the contract until any discussions occur.

Walker is owed $5.4 million in bonuses early in March.

The Broncos haven't spoken to Javon Walker's agent since the end of the season. The Denver Post expects him to be cut or traded within a month.

Walker isn't going to to take a paycut to stay in Denver. Considering the health of his knee, we seriously doubt that any other team will trade for him. Look for Walker to hit the open market. Feb. 8 - 10:52 am et
Source: Denver Post

Posted by: cdubb | February 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, that is what I like to think of as good news because I can't believe that this FO is that dumb (did I just type that?). Also consider the below good news:

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/24/panthers-close-to-signing-moose/

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for the DRAFT.....

IMO...top needs.....DE, WR, CB/S, LB, OL

Posted by: goosedude | February 24, 2008 12:08 AM

Here's CORKCZAR's

GM...DE....OL...CB...WR...More OL

Posted by: corkczar | February 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To be specific on what we need. Here is what I am saying for skins needs. Going position by position with a *hole* mark for the spots I think we need to fill not just starters but backups.

QB2: Need an old WC Vet QB to help teach JC and step in in the lurch. I am not a fan of bringing back Collins or MB, I don't see Todd doing well out of the Al Saunders offense but I might be wrong. I would look for a FA but I know those options are thin.

QB3: I think we need to use a late pick for some kind of other prospect, there are a lot of QB's going for the draft this year and I get the feeling we could see one available in the 6th or 7th round worth grabbing, keep him around for a few years and see what comes of it. Alwayse good to have a plan B at that position.

TE2: We have good blocking TE's but we need someone who can take over for Cooley in injury? WC offenses can work better with 2 catching TE's for mismatches.

WR3: As its been stated a billion times we need that big man, position type that everyone wants for the slot and end zone plays. I will be honest I would like to see us draft high for the WR spots.

T4: Need that apprentice for the next year or two when one of our T's leaves. I think Hoyer will be able to fill in for one of them someday but I think we need another rookie for that.

G3-4: * I know we got someone but same apprentice thing is needed I really think that in three years we are going to have a whole new line, due to the age.

LE: I think we could get away making this pick mid draft and ease him in with Daniels going out, like we are doing with our DT's.

OLB3: With RMac out for the season this is that spot they need to either fill in FA or use those 6-7 rd picks from last year. But we should not do this with the draft.

2MLB: Honestly, can anyone tell me who our number two MLB is? I can't.

Nickel/Dime CB: May be a spot we should look at a FA with, once Rogers is back I can't see some rookie supplanting him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network is reporting the Cwogrlz offered the Dolphins 3 #1's and Marion Barber for this years #1 ( D. McFadden). Please let it be..

Posted by: mdvj | February 24, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

That is almost as bad as the Herschel Walker trade that rebuilt Dallas in the 90's....wow would that be dumb!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

That move makes little to no sense to me.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

2MLB: Honestly, can anyone tell me who our number two MLB is? I can't.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 03:34 PM

H P Blades. He played MLB at Pitt, and the talk last year was how he was short like London. But because LF was solid in the middle Blades came in at OLB when needed.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

QB2: Need an old WC Vet QB to help teach JC and step in in the lurch. I am not a fan of bringing back Collins or MB, I don't see Todd doing well out of the Al Saunders offense but I might be wrong. I would look for a FA but I know those options are thin.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 03:34 PM

What about Tim Rittay? He played for SF and TB. Tim Hassleback is also out there. Maybe we bring back Casey Bramlet.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

T4: Need that apprentice for the next year or two when one of our T's leaves. I think Hoyer will be able to fill in for one of them someday but I think we need another rookie for that.

G3-4: * I know we got someone but same apprentice thing is needed I really think that in three years we are going to have a whole new line, due to the age.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 03:34 PM

*Branden Albert would apparently have the versatility to play G or T. They'd need to use their top pick, but you can probably plug him in right away at LG if Randy T comes back healthy and have Kendall for backup.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

WR3: As its been stated a billion times we need that big man, position type that everyone wants for the slot and end zone plays. I will be honest I would like to see us draft high for the WR spots.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 03:34 PM

I think the only way we upgrade over Caldwell is if we use our #1 pick. #2 we might be able to get his brother.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The problem as I see it is there are a lot of obvious top picks to replace those holes I listed above, but we cant make em all No. 1 picks. i was looking at http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ at some players available in the later rounds. Thats what we need to do find some quartz in the rough.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"You're really upset with us right Shawn?"

Shawn: "Yeah man."

"Good. We are on the same page."

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 24, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

OLB3: With RMac out for the season this is that spot they need to either fill in FA or use those 6-7 rd picks from last year. But we should not do this with the draft.

2MLB: Honestly, can anyone tell me who our number two MLB is? I can't.

Nickel/Dime CB: May be a spot we should look at a FA with, once Rogers is back I can't see some rookie supplanting him.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2008 03:34 PM

Rocky should be back from all reports. But don't take that to the bank.

My big needs for the Skins - DE DT, one O line guy, 3rd WR. A RT might fit because we could move John inside and have a backup for both R and L tackle.

Posted by: mul | February 24, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Mul, agreed with the needs and in that order DE, DT, one o-line guy, and 3rd WR but why in God's green earth will we try to move a guy from tackle to guard again?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 24, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

4th corner and 3rd safety are also high on the list.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I hope Vinny and Danny realize we're in the middle of a Seinfeldian opposite. Right now we're locked in on doing the OPPOSITE of everything we're used to doing.

No big-name coaching hire, no fancy trades. We've still got most of our draft picks, for god's sakes.

Keep it up, dudes! No free-agent splash, no wild trades. Downshift, OPPOSITE this baby all the way. Don't lose your nerve now!

Posted by: farstriker | February 25, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Draft Position rationale:

1st Round: DE or CB - neither one of these positions is deep in first-rate talent in 2008. If you want quality at these two positions, you have to select them in the first two rounds, because you need one of each. (Carlos Rogers will not be ready to be anything more than a Nickel CB, late in 2008.)

2nd Round: DE or CB - same as above

3rd Round: WR - the draft is deep in quality WRs with size and speed. Picking a WR higher than this is just plain dumb. The alternative is to bring in Donte Stallworth for a low price. If so, then draft best available OG or DT here.

4th Round: No Pick

5th Round: Best available OG or DT

6th Round: B/a OT or LB

7th Round: B/a OT or LB

Undrafted Free Agents: Backups for all positions of need.

Free Agency: Buy a cheap QB for slot #3 - maybe Bramlet will be available again. (He might do well in the WCO under Zorn, since he is accurate but does not have a big arm.) QB #2 can be Collins (he won't have a problem learning Zorn's system) or any of the WCO QBs who will soon be unemployed (after the draft).

This should be a fun week, since roster cuts will happen before Friday. Be ready to be surprised by some of the names on the cut list.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 25, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

If we're ready to be surprised, won't that to some extent mitigate the surprise?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

Nate, No, you can still be surprised. You will be suprised if, when expecting a suprise, none of the names on the list suprises you. "Wow. I was expecting a suprise. But there wasn't one. That's a suprise."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Whats up hamsters....just chiming in with some draft stuff.

I'm sold on Jordy Nelson, SOLD. He's got great measureables, and ran a 4.49, the Redskins need to be taking a SERIOUS look at this guy in round 2.

cricks, or any other draft guru's, do you know if/when the DL guys are running?
Vernon Gholston made himself a bunch of money yesterday. Did Calais Campbell run?What about Merling?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Forgot one thing, NO THANKS to Donte Stallworth. He's one positive test from a 4 game ban, and has been on the Eagles, Saints, and now the Pats, and not one team has made an attempt to re-sign the guy. That says something to me.

RC, only a matter of time before Zach is face down on the Texas Stadium turf wondering where he is...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Here's CORKCZAR's

GM...DE....OL...CB...WR...More OL

Posted by: corkczar | February 24, 2008 02:54 PM

Well done sir. Can't agree more with positions of need. CB and WR should be taken care of in FA, while D-line and O-line should be done exclusively through the draft. I would personally consider Vinny a genius if he simply drafted for the lines straight through. That said, it's more likely Vinny's draft will look something like this (in this order): WR, CB/S, LB, CB/S, QB, WR

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm sold on Jordy Nelson, SOLD. He's got great measureables, and ran a 4.49, the Redskins need to be taking a SERIOUS look at this guy in round 2.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 08:24 AM

Doubt he'll be there where the Skins pick at #2. Question has to be, do we take him #1?

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

skinsf, I think that he'll be a second round pick, there are going to be a lot of wide-outs, Sweed, Kelly, and a couple others that will go before he does. Or at least thats what I'm hoping happens.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

DL and LB are working out today with CB and S going tomorrow.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

I will post 40 times for DL as they are posted.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

KM, thanks man, I appreciate the efforts. I'm starting to think that Campbell, and Merling might be interchangable, a big discrepancy in 40 times/cone drill times might prove me wrong.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This appears to be the right year to look for an offensive lineman.

"It's the best group I've seen in 24 years collectively, and it was a good group before the juniors were added," Pittsburgh Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert said. "The majority of them can play the left side or both sides. It's unusual to have that many guys that big and that athletic and that productive."

Seems like people smahtah than me think its a good year to go ol.....some good players to be had...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

psps23, I couldn't agree more. Go heavy on O-line and D-line in this draft. I like that Otah kid from Pittsburgh. He's a little raw, but has great size. With a little help from Buges he could be the RT of the future.
There are a ton of WR available in FA this year that fit the skins' needs (a #3 to complement Moss & ARE). I love Bryant Johnson from Arizona, but wouldn't be upset if they signed Hackett instead. I also believe the tandem of Springs & Smoot will be fine as long as they stay relatively healthy. If Torrence continues to develop he might make a solid nickel, and hopefully Carlos can be ready to play some nickel by mid-to-late September. Possibly add another CB through FA just for depth purposes.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 25, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

People are saying Otah might fall because of his 40 time, are you kidding me the guy is huge and can maul people who cares how fast he can run. I think people put two much stock in the combine put the tape in of Otah and watch how he just crushes D Lineman if he slips to 21 that would be hard to pass up.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

RC, only a matter of time before Zach is face down on the Texas Stadium turf wondering where he is...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 08:28 AM

I really hope you're not right Greg, but I fear that you might be... I can't believe he needs the money, so this is just for the 'glory'. I hope he just has a quiet season, realizes he's done and retires.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think Otah will fall to #21 because he is considered by many scouts as raw due to his lack of experience (only been playing football for the past 5 years). But look at his size, he's a beast. The skins got a lot of money tied up in Jansen so we know that Otah would not have step right in and play. He can be groomed and in a year or two step into the starting lineup and dominate.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 25, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

people smahtah than me

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 09:06 AM

Greg, They may spell bettah but I really doubt whether they're smarter.

BTW, appreciated your comment Friday about the old guy sending soup back in the deli. If the shoe fits...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

RC, agreed, I hope that what I described above doesn't happen, but I just don't see this ending well.

Also, if the 'proposed trade' someone mentioned above, 3-number one's from Dallas, along with Barber, to Miami for the #1 over all pick happens, you're a lucky man.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I keep seeing Mock drafts with Mimai taking a QB number 1 do these people even watch football for one none of the QB's are worthy of a number 1 pick and two Parcells hates young QB's he would never draft a QB number 1.

RC anythoughts if they keep the pick I say no way the go QB.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

ta, the 'soup' comments are from a Seinfeld episode, specifically from the show were Kramer was hitting golf balls into the ocean and one got stuck in the blow-hole of a whale.

Also, the spelling of 'smahtah' was done in Bostonese. Drop the "r" and insert an "h" where necessary:

Park - Pahk
Car - Cah
Smart - Smaht
Super - Supah
Here - He-ah

Hopefully that helps....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4, I agree. I don't think Parcells will take a QB #1 overall, but didn't he once draft Bledsoe with the #1 pick.
I think it will be Jake Long.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Skins,

You are correct 1993 Bledsoe was number one overall pick by the Pats.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

RC any thoughts if they keep the pick I say no way the go QB.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 09:30 AM

Most likely scenarios seem to be:

7. Dulles sends us Marion Barber and their next 50 first rounders for our #1 (Jerrah left the combine as soon as McFadden was finished)
&. Atlanta trades us their #3 and Dante Hall (although I don't think we want Hall). There is a version of this that sends Hall to the Gints and their #31 to Atlanta so we then get #3 and #31 and probably something else for #1.

I can't see us taking a QB. We already have Beck who Parcells decided to keep, he's also added the Dallas QB coach who sped up Romo's reads and his throwing. I think we'll try to find a 1-2 year vet to keep us going while we build up Beck and/or someone like Joe Flacco who will go late 2nd round probably.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I never answered; I think Miami takes Jake or Chris Long having traded away the #1.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 25, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Where's the beef on the insider?

Lets get some juice. I understand restrained free agency, but Derek Smith just signed, aren't we targeting even any cheapo players? Zack Thomas for LB depth?

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 25, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Zack Thomas for LB depth?

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 25, 2008 10:01 AM

Thomas already signed with the Girls.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I know Jerry likes his Razorbacks but I just can't see him giving up alot to get the first round then use it on an RB where you have to commit so much money. I hope he does though. McFadden is big and fast but he runs upright and I think he's an injury waiting to happen.

Posted by: Skinz | February 25, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

So whats the deal with Anthony Mix?

i looked at nfl.com and see he's a three year "veteran" who hasn't really played much at all. Is that due to injuries or is he just not good enough to get onto the field.

The dude is 6'5, so it would be nice if he could fill that need for us and we could stick to drafting OL and DL in the first 3 rounds.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Don't sleep on the Cowpies picking Felix Jones with either of their 1st round picks.

McFadden is going in the top 5 - agreed, the Pies will not blow their load for him, but are still able to land thier Arkansas runner.....

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 25, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Mix brought it on Special Teams last year - he will def get a shot by being on the team.

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 25, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say I don't understand the love for Anthony Mix. I accept that he had some solid special teams play (tackle? tackles?), but that's about it. Other than being tall and having caught passes from Jason Campbell four years ago, what has he done lately, other than survive on the Giants' practice squad and not catch a pass in a game for the Skins?

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Mix the one that recovered the kickoff that should have secured the Seattle game for us?

Posted by: Skinz | February 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Im with the old saying that u pick the bets available talent with ur no. 1 pic. That being said, they need to stay away from WR.

I think im the only one who doesnt see the DL as a major weakness that we need to address. Maybe with the later rounds, pick some raw talent to groom. To be more specific, id say we need a DE, but thats about it. We still have Griffin, tho he may be gone in a year. Theres Golston, Montgomery, Carter, Daniels( coming to an end) and that pure speed rusher Clemons...or Chris something....
Do we really need to stock up on D linemen early? Knowing everyone in the NFL could try and get the best DLmen to copy the Giants. Why get all the scraps? F that.

What we need are OLmen. Without a doubt, our main weakness Then LB then CB then WR then DL.

I say LB before CB cuz besides BBlades and Sartz( we still have him?), who do we have developing. Rocky has knee probs, our ML is getting old, MW has been marred by injuries.

And although i previously posted that i think the CB position is OK.......we are just one injury away from disaster. Cuz i dont think Torrence, however good a job he did last year, is ready to start.

So.... heres my order

1st- OL( unless a good LB or DE falls)

2nd- OL

3rd- LB (unless we get one at no.1.) or best WR or CB (if we dont get one in FA.)

5th- DL/LB/CB

6th- LB/DL/ QB

7th- FS/CB/TE

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, those were my thoughts. i suppose if he is REALLY good on special teams, and we decide to part ways with thrash, its a wash there. But i find it hard to imagine he's any good as a WR if he couldn't crack the offense as a 6'5 WR on a team where the only WRs we have are 5'9.

As of right now, I see our WR corps looking like this:

Moss
Randel El
Caldwell / Espy
Thrash
New guy (through FA or the Draft)

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 25, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, agreed. Mix's size gives skins fans a reason to hope that we have an in-house solution to our problem (not having a tall WR to make big third down receptions). Realistically, we should try to find a guy in the draft or through FA to fill this need. If Mix develops into a great WR than that's great, but I wouldn't go into 2008 with my eggs in that basket.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 25, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

dc, I'm with you on Mix. While he seemed to play well on special teams, lets face it, he's done nothing other than that. Could he have potential? Sure. Could he be nothing more than a special teamer, yup, that could happen as well.

I still contend that the team needs to draft a WR early.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"... Mix's size gives skins fans a reason to hope ..."

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 25, 2008 10:35 AM

Ahhh, this makes tons of sense. I almost forgot about the wonder and beauty of the offseason ... when the Skins are undefeated again! That and the younger/cheaper James Thrash also make sense to me now. [I've been a little bitter since the re-ascension of The Owner and the EVP returning to the spotlight of professional fantasy football, so I forgot to put on my Nate face and get right with my mojo again.] thx

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Mix came in halfway through the season onto a team that already had 46 WRs. Not only that, but he came into an offense where even vets like Caldwell took more than a few weeks to be comfortable enough to play.

I say give Mix a chance in training camp to see what he can do. If he sucks, its back to special teams. But at least give the guy a fair shot

Posted by: -swb | February 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

dc, I'm with you on Mix. While he seemed to play well on special teams, lets face it, he's done nothing other than that. Could he have potential? Sure. Could he be nothing more than a special teamer, yup, that could happen as well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 10:37 AM

The same could be said about any WR taken in the draft. He was added to the roster in the middle of the season, so it's tough to take a shot at him for not "cracking the lineup." Longtime veterans Mccardell and Caldwell had a hell of a time cracking the lineup too, and they fared pretty well when they were given the chance. We've got 2 quality starting receivers, 3 serviceable veterans, and two young groom-able WRs. I think it's a little premature to pull the plug on these guys. I'd much rather secure both sides of the line with those higher picks than use it on a WR (who are extremely hit or miss in the draft anyway).

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

My other thought for this morning: if the Skins cannot re-sign The Todd (who I think could earn a starting spot on a team with a future QB recently drafted), then I think they should make a move for Leftwich. Granted, the man is immobile, but he has a solid and accurate arm, and if the West Coast offense is about quick hits and three step drops, I think Leftwich has what the Skins would need in a #2 guy.

Much has been made about the crappy FA market for QBs and the steep fall-off after Derek Anderson (and the perfect timing for The Todd would really would love to be able to start), but I also think that Brunell could start for the type of same type of team where The Todd would fit ... where the recently drafted QB of the future is just not quite ready yet.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

psp, I respect that point, but the difference between Mix, and say a Jordy Nelson is that Nelson will be most likely drafted in the 2nd, or 3rd round, while Mix was not drafted at all. Nelson is going to bring more to the table, than Mix is.

As far as Caldwell goes, he was a 2nd round pick, who has gone through a number of teams so far, and hasn't stuck anywhere.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

sween,

As blastfamous as this sounds, Brunell would be a very nice backup here. He's much better suited for a West Coast offense, which he ran his entire career in Jax.

You may all commense throwing vegetables at me now.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

original, I'm going to give you props for your spelling of blast-famous....nicely done....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have any results from the combine today?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My other thought for this morning: if the Skins cannot re-sign The Todd then I think they should make a move for Leftwich.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 11:00 AM

Part of the rap I heard about Leftwich is that there are certain throws he can't make. It's not due to lack of arm strength, obviously. And I forget if it's the ins or the outs, but there are certain throws he just doesn't make. He's like a hitter who can't hit a curve - there's a flaw in his game which means he can't stay in the big leagues.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't beleive in PH. it's all about fonetic spelling.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"... Part of the rap I heard about Leftwich is that there are certain throws he can't make. ..."

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 11:17 AM

Kind of like how Derrick Zoolander couldn't turn left ... he wasn't an ambi-turner.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

As blastfamous as this sounds, Brunell would be a very nice backup here. He's much better suited for a West Coast offense, which he ran his entire career in Jax.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 11:11 AM

He may not be the worst choice for a backup. Last preseason he looked like his arm strength was back. He had an injury in 2006 which made him look hopeless back there. I still don't like him. I think he takes plays off, which as a QB is hard to do. But I remember that game against the Texans when he showed he can consistantly hit the short stuff. Not the worst backup.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Kind of like how Derrick Zoolander couldn't turn left ... he wasn't an ambi-turner.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 11:20 AM

All will be forgiven if he can pull off Blue Steel in a game situation.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"... Part of the rap I heard about Leftwich is that there are certain throws he can't make. ..."

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 11:17 AM

Kind of like how Derrick Zoolander couldn't turn left ... he wasn't an ambi-turner.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 11:20 AM

Perfect example.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

From King's MMQB:

"7. The Redskins are telling agents they're not going to overpay in free-agency this year, which would take an incredibly valuable stalking horse away from the market. We'll see how long this lasts, but I hear Washington has put a number on its top free agents, and if the Skins are outbid, they will be willing to let them go rather than up the ante. Bad news for agents. Great news for teams who hate Dan Snyder paying jillions for the Brandon Lloyds of the world.

"

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

Merling and Campbell not participating in drills.

Chris Long unofficial 4.71
Marcus Howard unofficial 4.47
Louis Homes unofficial 4.77
Derrick Harvey unofficial 4.8

Everyone else was over 5

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Bench press

DL
Name Reps
Gholston, Vernon 37
Laws, Trevor 35
Rubin, Ahtyba 35
Ellis, Sedrick 34
Hayden, Nick 34
Okam, Frank 32
Harvey, Derrick 31
Jackson, Lawrence 31
Moore, Dre 31

Linebackers
Name Reps
Keglar, Stanford 29
Goff, Jonathan 28
Larsen, Spencer 27
Mapp, Durell 27
Kehl, Bryan 26
Williams, Thomas 26
Leman, Jeremy 26
Octavien, Steve 26
Bell, Beau 25
McClain, Jameel 24
Rivers, Keith 24
Wheeler, Philip 24

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg

how can u honestly want a WR early in the draft after all the busts we've drafted through the years?

Remember when Rod Gardner or Michael Westbrook was the next Micheal Irving? BAH!

And thats also why we shouldnt go DL crazy. Anytime we try to copy someone and get the next " big thing" we get some over-rated turd.

To me, with the exception of BLloyd, our FA WR's have been decent.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the update. Chris just made himself a bunch of dough..

Who is this Marcus Howard cat? Were there any other big names who didn't run? Has the pro-day schedule been set up yet?

P. King is such a douche. We're the only team that makes bad moves in the free agent Market, I guess. Good think Jevon Kearse worked out so well for the Eagles...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

gimme, I think there are a bunch of can't miss prospects this year. Not to mention that given that the WCO that Zorn is trying to install needs a bigger receiver,this draft seems chock full of them.

Perhaps in the case of Gardner, Rod, and Punch-out Westbrook, had the Redskins done more research, on the character or lack thereof, they wouldn't have drafted either of them.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Height:6'2"
Weight:245
College:Georgia
Conference:SEC
Hometown:Huger, SC
High School:Hanahan

Analysis
Positives: Good looking build for the position. ... Thick upper and lower. ... Good burst off the snap to generate pressure on the quarterback. ... Uses his hands well to slap away the hands of blockers. ... Can re-direct his charge if slowed and flashes lateral quickness. ... Generally a solid wrap-up tackler who flashes explosiveness. ... Forced three fumbles in 2007. ... Good straight-line speed. ... Unselfish player who handled the move from linebacker to defensive end.

Negatives: Lacks the size to remain at defensive end, but hasn't played linebacker since 2005. ... Questionable instincts for the position, as he can be fooled by misdirection and lose contain as a perimeter rusher. ... Flashes agility and balance, but will need to prove he can handle the change of direction to play in coverage.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

I think P. King is an A hole he never has anything good to say about the skins, and he is the main reason it took AM so long to get into the HOF. I think he is still pissed he did not get the Joe Gibbs scoup in 2004.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

P. King is such a douche. We're the only team that makes bad moves in the free agent Market, I guess. Good think Jevon Kearse worked out so well for the Eagles...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:37 AM

Don't forget Darren Howard or T.O. I'm sure the list would go on but the Eagles have the purse strings so tight that those are the only FA's they have singed for more than a pudding pop.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

km, agreed on King. Complete tool.

Howard is interesting, I don't know that the Redskins would want to have 2 defensive ends that weight less than 260. That to me, seems like a recipe for trouble...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

They put players like Chris Gocong on the field, that is how they pay back the fans.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

One man's guess.

I think the Skins are going to need to draft a WR as well. However, I don't see them doing that until the 3rd or 4th round (trading up to get someone they like). There are two reasons for this.

This draft is deep in th WR spot. For the WCO I think the ability to get separating and RAC is very important. The Skins could get away with drafting a Nelson or Simpson and be fine.

The second reason is that this team is cash strapped and already have a ton invested in the WR position. They need to address their line play early. When the Skins pick in the first round, there won't be any OL worthy of drafting most likely in the first except maybe Braden Albert (who's body looked soft to me at the combine), or Otha (Who isn't a natural "knee bender" as Buges would say). I see the Skins going DE, DT, WR, LB, QB, FS. FA pickups a CB, and OL.

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

In fact, all our FA's except BLloyd and ARch have been good players for our team. The fact that they are often overpaid, doesnt bother me cuz

1) We can afford to do it.

2) It drives up the going market prices for all other teams that cannot or dont want to afford it.

Now that i think about it, we might go OL in the later rounds as JB has a knack for taking cast offs and polishing them up to play. Surely Vinny listens to a little input from his position coaches.....

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Mix ran a 4.45 40 at the 2006 combine. He's 6'5" and currently about 235 lb, according to ESPN. He weighed closer to 250 in college.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Damn!! a 6 5 guy running a 4.45 at 250? never heard that.

But IMO, general DL is not a good pick in round 1. Maybe a DE, if hes big and strong against the run.

As for WR, why do we need another standout when we have ARE, Moss, Cooley, Portis and Betts and Sellers as the recipient of passes? Wont that just be another mouth to feed? I agree with getting someone for the future, but does that need to be early on in the draft?

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who can access at work, this is live at the combine.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/live

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 25, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Am i wrong in understanding that the WCO is built on short quick passes to WR's AND RB's? When we have 5 good recievers, why do we need 6? Especially when we have Mix and apparently Espy in the wings?

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The question is, with all that potential, why did Mix go undrafted? Hopefully he shows something early in the offseason so the skins can address other needs.

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

For that matter mvdj, why did Brady fall to the 6th round?

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Damn!! a 6 5 guy running a 4.45 at 250? never heard that.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:15 PM

It's such a shame that Jonah Lomu didn't join the Cowboys in the mid-90s. He would have been a lot of fun to watch.

Height: 6 feet 5
Weight: 270lbs
40 yard: 4.5 secs
100 metre: 10.8 secs

And he could catch a ball in stride!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 25, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I saw some discussion on Mix earlier and just thought that I would add some interesting facts. In his highschool, college, and pro career he's played at least 5 positions: QB, DE, TE, WR, and special teams

his draft ranking:

Anthony Mix Grade: 3.27
Position: TE
Class: Sr
School: Auburn
Conference: Southeastern
Ht., Wt.: 6-4.5, 235
40 Time: 4.51
Grading System


BIO: Part-time starter the past two years. Senior totals included 23/288/2 after 19/294/3 as a junior. Spent time at both receiver and tight end in college.

POSITIVES: King-sized pass catcher who can be used at a variety of positions. Displays excellent adjustment to the throw, eye/hand coordination and makes the reception away from his frame. Quickly gets into breaks, staying low on exit, and shields away opponents with his frame. Strong, defeats jams and physically beats down opponents to make the catch. Solid position blocker down the field.

NEGATIVES: Marginally productive in college. Never known to be a hard worker.

ANALYSIS: Improving his game as a senior, Mix has potential as a slot receiver in the NFL or possibly at H-back. Must continue to progress and has the ability to be an active part of an NFL offense.

PROJECTION: Late Seventh Round

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

That's an optimistic evaluation of Mix, i like it. I say give this guy a shot, we're not looking for the next Randy Moss here, so why not let this guy prove his value before judging our WRs as inadequate.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's change the name of this blog to Anthony Mix insider.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

For that matter mvdj, why did Brady fall to the 6th round?

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:29 PM

Brady was very average at the combine.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess he wasnt drafted cuz he had no concrete pos. to play coming out of college. To big for a WR, to small for a TE. But now that hes down to 235....his speed has to increase a little right?

Im with u psp, lets see how this current group pans out for 1 more season before we pass judgement. Cuz i'll just tell ya, I have a hard time giving everyone enough touches when i play Madden. Dont think i could handle another mouth!

HAIL!!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Name Time
Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67
Johnson, Curtis 4.69
Ellis, Chris 4.71
Gatewood, Curtis 4.74
Long, Chris 4.75
Smith, Bryan 4.75
Thompson, Jeremy 4.75

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

These are for Gregg I know he can not access the combine page.

DL verticle Jump

Name Height
Gholston, Vernon 35.5
Howard, Marcus 34.5
Long, Chris 34.0
Avril, Cliff 32.5
Smith, Bryan 32.5
Holmes, Louis 32.5
Thompson, Jeremy 32.0
Biermann, Kroy 31.5
Jackson, Lawrence 31.0
Laws, Trevor 30.5
Craig, Angelo 30.5

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess he wasnt drafted cuz he had no concrete pos. to play coming out of college. To big for a WR, to small for a TE. But now that hes down to 235....his speed has to increase a little right?

Im with u psp, lets see how this current group pans out for 1 more season before we pass judgement. Cuz i'll just tell ya, I have a hard time giving everyone enough touches when i play Madden. Dont think i could handle another mouth!

HAIL!!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:54 PM

His speeds not going to increase much, you got two seperate #'s from an earlier post. He was 250 as a sophomore and junior, 235 as a senior and ran a 4.51 as a senior. I know we're talking an awful lot about Mix sama but I think it's because we're trying to convince ourselves that our front office isn't going to burn us with some lunatic move at a tall wide receiver.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess he wasnt drafted cuz he had no concrete pos. to play coming out of college. To big for a WR, to small for a TE. But now that hes down to 235....his speed has to increase a little right?

Im with u psp, lets see how this current group pans out for 1 more season before we pass judgement. Cuz i'll just tell ya, I have a hard time giving everyone enough touches when i play Madden. Dont think i could handle another mouth!

HAIL!!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 12:54 PM

With our WR and RB we have enough pass catchers for this season. Concentrate on both lines, LB and DB with this draft. Smart cap work this year can help us next year get back into the FA game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Walker to Washington?

Believe the reports that the Redskins are going to try to pry receiver Chad Johnson from Cincinnati. Johnson has been vocal about his desire to be dealt but Bengals coach Marvin Lewis recently said the Pro Bowl player will not be traded.

If Johnson isn't traded, the Redskins could turn their attention to Javon Walker, who, like Johnson, wants to be traded. Yet, unlike Cincinnati, Denver wants to accommodate Walker with a trade.

Washington and Denver have been willing trading partners in the past and could easily make a deal. If not Walker, Washington could pursue Oakland's Jerry Porter.
"

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8342215

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 25, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=09000d5d806d6848&template=with-video&confirm=true

Maryland G Andrew Crummey, a projected first day pick, may now be had during the second day due to his injury. If he goes undrafted maybe Heyer can convince him to sign with the Skins.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

we need a new post

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

km, big thanks for hooking a guy up stuck at work. I really appreciate it.

Gholston made himself some serious money today as well...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

My bad....i thought he was 250 when he ran the 4.45. But still, hes big and kinda fast for his size. If he can catch as good as hes supposed to, we DEFINITELY dont need another WR.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I hear the Redskins signed this guy named Mix. Does anyone have any info on him, or even maybe an opinion about him???

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Gholston should add the nickname "get dat money"

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I hear the Redskins signed this guy named Mix. Does anyone have any info on him, or even maybe an opinion about him???

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 01:23 PM

Never heard of him. LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

With our WR and RB we have enough pass catchers for this season. Concentrate on both lines, LB and DB with this draft. Smart cap work this year can help us next year get back into the FA game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 25, 2008 01:00 PM


Couldnt have said it better...

BTW who, thats any decent , is gonna be available next year in FA? Im just curious.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

His name is Anthony Mix. People seem to like him because he is polite and he is rarely late. He likes to eat ice cream and he really enjoys a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell him that he has an I.Q. of 48 and he's what some people call mentally retarded.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor: thx for the javon walker post. he was dominant with the packers but hasn't done much in denver. red flag is potential selfishness... he demanded a trade from GNB, now same with DEN. he has a history of injuries. i hope the skins proceed with caution. i'd be upset if they gave him a big contract or traded away much -- even a 3rd rounder seems high. it's about time the skins did their own homework and made their draft picks count.

Posted by: chris_zz | February 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The linbackers 40 times were slow

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"So whats the deal with Anthony Mix?

i looked at nfl.com and see he's a three year "veteran" who hasn't really played much at all. Is that due to injuries or is he just not good enough to get onto the field."

NFL.com has a strange concept of playing experience. They add a year in the summary, as soon as the old season ends. When it says Mix is a 3-year vet, it really means he has only played for 2 years (at this time of year). Really dumb.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Gimmy,

What position or do you want all the 2009 free agents.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

We really need to address the spot left by ST. L2 is great, just not the type of S ST was. L2's hands arent that great and his coverage area just isnt what the reapers was. That being said, how do u replace a Sean Taylor?

Cuz with him gone, Rogers recovering, and Springs one hammy away from retirement, our secondary is looking shaky to say the least.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

No one is going to trade for Javon Walker because he has injury issues. Denver is making noise in the hope they will get something for him. When they get no offers this week, the Broncos will cut him.

Denver did the same thing last year, trying to get something for their injured middle linebacker. The Denver Post acts like the Broncos' agent to help create interest.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The only way you can possibly come close to replacing Sean Taylor is to draft Kenny Phillips (Safety, Miami) in the first round.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Gimmy,

What position or do you want all the 2009 free agents.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 01:30 PM

Agreeing with no WR's and that they need to address the OL and LB through the draft. Im not quite sold on DL. Remember last year alot of people had problems with going SS in round 1. Everyone was crying for DL. Little did they know, im glad, we had younger players coming along at DT. If Daniels moves inside, that gives us 4 solid DT's with DE the only really glaring need on the line.

But Christ almighty, our LB's are in shambles.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, this is how we address the WR spot

D.J. Hackett | #18 | WR

Seattle Seahawks | Official Team Site

Height: 6-2 Weight: 208 Age: 26

Born: 7/3/1981 Fontana , CA

College: Colorado

Experience: 3rd season

Not huge #'s but that's what you get when you play in Seattle's offense (our offense)

2007 Seattle Seahawks 6 6 32 384 12.0 59 3 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2006 Seattle Seahawks 14 5 45 610 13.6 47 4 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
2005 Seattle Seahawks 13 3 28 400 14.3 47 2


Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Three things on Mix - He had to beat out Plaxico to get a job on the Giants' roster. He had to learn the Saunders' playbook upon arrival in DC. He will only have value to the Redskins this year if he can run precise routes.

The last item is important for all the receivers on the team. Guys that run routes correctly, and come in and out of their breaks properly, will have jobs. The rest will be left behind. "West Coast" receivers have to run very precise routes.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 2009 free agenst anyone worth keeping next year.

WR Mike Espy UFA
OG Pete Kendall UFA
OT Kevin Sampson UFA
DL Demetric Evans UFA
DL Kedric Golston RFA
DL Anthony Montgomery RFA
LB Khary Campbell UFA
CB Leigh Torrence UFA
SS Reed Doughty RFA

I would say Golston and Montgomery

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hackett has injury issues also, similar to Javon Walker. At least Hackett would be familiar with the Zorn-concept offense.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The only way you can possibly come close to replacing Sean Taylor is to draft Kenny Phillips (Safety, Miami) in the first round.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 01:36 PM

I'll have to admit, i know NOTHING about college players. Thanks for all u who clue us impatient PRO watchers in on potential picks.

But i can recognize talent when i see it. I knew Peirce was the real deal when i watched him come up on special teams. You can just kind of tell. The same way u can tell Jon Jansen needs to hang em up, or that Rogers is overated.

Sigh...i have to go to work. Gotta make the world a prettier place. Enjoy work u white collar bastards!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I was reading a old SI from last year, the issue that came out right after the draft. The WR that Detroit drafted, from Georgia Tech, the Bronco's offered them 2 number 1 draft picks, 1 second round draft pick, 2-third round draft picks, and Al Wilson. Nice job Matt Millen.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

About the Free Agents in 2009 - If the owners abandon the players' contract as expected and it looks like 2010 will be an uncapped year, then 2009 will be sheer bedlam. Lots of free agents will come available as teams will have to accelerate the amortization of bonuses. (Salary cap hell for half the league.)

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

.....


HAIL!!!

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It's not so much that Mix has done much of anything. For me, it's the hope that they found a "diamond" in the rough that gets a chance to show what he can do. He COULD be a real find for us. Perhaps he could not crack the lineup due to the glutton of receivers (McCardell, Caldwell, Thrash) ahead of him.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Golston, Montgomery, Evans and Campbell are worth keeping. These are all young guns that contributed nicely this season.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps he could not crack the lineup due to the glutton of receivers (McCardell, Caldwell, Thrash) ahead of him.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2008 01:49 PM

I will be very surprised if any of those receivers are still on the roster next week.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hackett showed glimpses of being a very good WR with Seattle. He just couldn't stay on the field. With our gimpy receiving core already not sure if that would be the best route to go.

Kenny Phillips is a solid safety but nowhere close to having the all around talent that ST had. Guys that can cover ground and hit like that don't come around often.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Golston, Montgomery, Evans and Campbell are worth keeping. These are all young guns that contributed nicely this season.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2008 01:51 PM

I'd add Torrence to that list. And Espy pending quality recovery. Both those guys have shown flashes and you'd be getting them at the minimum salary. They're worth keeping around.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Reche brought back. He could fill the role of the 4th receiver very well, I'd think.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kenny Phillips is a solid safety but nowhere close to having the all around talent that ST had. Guys that can cover ground and hit like that don't come around often.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2008 01:55 PM

There is no one available who has the combination of size, speed, and skills of Sean Taylor. Sean was a unique athlete, the likes of which won't be seen again for a long time. LaRon has similar potential without Sean's height, if he can settle down and learn/mature quickly. Kenny Phillips has better size and good skills, and is generally regarded as the best safety in this year's draft. But no one player will ever fully replace Sean.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

how is it no one is putting doughty on that list? even if you discount doughtys impressive safety performance, he is a STRONG special teams player and is worth keeping for that alone.

doughty, montgomery, golston, and campbell are all locks in my book.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I thought Reche did a good job too, but there seems to be some serious concerns about his knees over at Redskins Park. Also, Reche is probably looking for more than a 1-year contract at league minimum.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins should keep Reche and draft his brother Andre (WR, Florida). He looked good at the combine yesterday. Then the Redskins could lead the league in Caldwells and Campbells.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

how is it no one is putting doughty on that list? even if you discount doughtys impressive safety performance, he is a STRONG special teams player and is worth keeping for that alone.

doughty, montgomery, golston, and campbell are all locks in my book.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 25, 2008 02:07 PM

didn't even notice doughty on that list. he definitely deserves to be kept. i personally think he'll be the starter at S alongside Landry for the near future, and he'll be a good one at that. doughty's a keeper.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Seth. Doughty and Torrence will both be on the "keep" list if they continue to improve in 2008.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Also, Reche is probably looking for more than a 1-year contract at league minimum.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 02:07 PM

But does he have any chance of getting it? He's with his third team now and hasn't really done well with any of them. And there are a million free agent WR's on the market this year, plus a deep draft class.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

It is going to be a bad year for veteran WRs. All those new talented WRs in the draft are going to send a lot of older players into forced retirement. Players like McCardell and Thrash seem very vulnerable, unless they bring something unique to the field. Caldwell seems like a good #2-3 receiver in the right situation, and he is still fairly young. But the money is probably going to be lower than usual. because the rookies will be playing for peanuts.

The players who are probably really going to take a hit are the Stallworths and Walkers and Porters.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Attn: JLa, TheCindy, E-G-R

You are KILLING this blog through inaction. Even a Maske post would be an improvement over these 3-6 day old threads.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Talent! Why don't you write a guest blog on this year's prospective draft talent and e-mail it to JLa? We need an infusion of life around here.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Caldwell have some kind a chronic injury? I thought I read that somewhere and am too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

etrod - Caldwell has some chronic knee problems, if I remember correctly. I read about it several weeks ago but can't find it now.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Caldwell have some kind a chronic injury? I thought I read that somewhere and am too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 02:24 PM

His eyes make him appear to be on chronic if that is what you mean.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you write a guest blog?

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 02:23 PM

Thanks, but...

The only way I'd write a guest blog would be if I signed someone else's name to it. Have you seen the abuse that guest bloggers take up here? Guest blogging would be the easiest way to expose my ignorance and reduce the smidgen of esteem which I still enjoy. My strength here consists largely of pointing out misspellings in other people's posts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thought so. Thanks, tafka.

I think that Landry is the closest thing we can get to the Reaper. Doesn't have the size, but has simlar range and brings a load when he hits. He needs to play under control more and avoid dumb penatlies, much as Sean did early on. I'm still not sold on Doughty but am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for another year or so.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Here are those comments about Caldwell, written by some hack sportswriter:

"Brandon Lloyd is almost certain to be released, according to sources who have talked to Snyder and Cerrato. Veteran Keenan McCardell is also unlikely to be back. James Thrash, a special teams standout for Gibbs, might not return, and concerns over chronic knee problems could mean that reserve Reche Caldwell also will not be re-signed."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021102433_2.html?sid=ST2008021102877

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Caldwell have some kind a chronic injury? I thought I read that somewhere and am too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 25, 2008 02:24 PM

His eyes make him appear to be on chronic if that is what you mean.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 02:31 PM

Or he may freebasing.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

All kidding aside, Caldwell is a talented dude. Unless the reported knee injury is that bad, I would love to see him back.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't sell yourself short, t_e. You're capable of far more provocative work up here than simple tut-tutting over misspellings!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

" ... This draft is deep in th WR spot. For the WCO I think the ability to get separating and RAC is very important. The Skins could get away with drafting a Nelson or Simpson ..."

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 11:55 AM

As in "HAH ha!" and "D'Oh!"

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

ta, don't sell yourself short, you're a tremendous slouch....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Watching the Combine activities yesterday, I noticed that Andre Caldwell does not have the same bug-eyed look that Reche has. Not sure what that means - just thought I would point it out.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Right. I'm good at fishing for compliments, too. Okay, with that maybe I'll try a guest blog, but I'll sign in NateinthePDX.

By the way, Greg in Boston had several misspellings this morning but he tried to pass them off as "Bahston" spellings or something like that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Come on, fellas, there's only one Caldwell who matters up here: RAVIN!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"I think the ability to get separating and RAC is very important."

I don't like this term (RAC). Didn't it used to be YAC?

Maybe on punts, they could change the terminology to RAP (Run After Punt). Randle El would lead the league in RAP, even if his total Return Yards were zero.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

ta, those are legit. Here are some more:

Harvard - Hah-vid.
Red Sox - Red Sawks
Smith - Smiddy
Sullivan - Sully

I've digressed....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see that WR from Michigan State at the Combine yesterday? (Devin something?) He ran fast, catches well, and they said he was a good kick/punt returner.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas ... he's a proverbial dude.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I saw him run the 40, how big is this cat though? He seemed smaller....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas is 6'2"

Hey, did Jehuu Caulcrick (MSU) run faster than that Owen Schmitt fella (WVU)?

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Here's the ESPN analysis of the WR combine performaces. It's a little long.

Wide receivers

DeSean Jackson and Texas' Limas Sweed solidified themselves as mid-to-late first-round picks with their performances at this combine. Jackson is admittedly undersized at 169 pounds, but he turned in the fastest 40-time (4.35) and is an explosive punt return man. Sweed had an even better day; the 6-4, 215-pounder ran in the 4.4s and had a 37-inch vertical leap. Those are great numbers for a player with his size, and he wasn't the only big man who turned some heads today. James Hardy, the 6-5, 217-pounder out of Indiana ran a surprisingly fast 40 (4.44.) and could move from the second round into the late first round.

There is no Calvin Johnson in this group, no receiver will move into the top five with an impressive performance the way Johnson did last year. In fact, there's a chance no wide receiver will be drafted in the first half of the first round. The good news, however, is that this class has more depth than any in recent years. So teams in need of complementary help at the position will find plenty of quality options to choose from in rounds 2 through 4. Virginia Tech's Eddie Royal is having a strong showing on the heels of an impressive week at the Senior Bowl, recording 24 reps on the bench press and running a 4.44. Meanwhile, Florida's Andre Caldwell ran a 4.32 and Missouri's Will Franklin ran a 4.33 40.
Michigan's Mario Manningham disappointed by running in the 4.5s and checked in at 5-foot-11½ and 181 pounds. It was also obvious to the trained eye that Manningham's running technique was sloppy, and that's putting it politely. Manningham stood up coming out of his stance and didn't control his upper body as well as other runners. His production was very good at Michigan, however. This only be a small bump in the road; scouts will clock Manningham again at Michigan's pro day.
Although he was a one-year wonder and a small a body of work can make front offices anxious, Michigan State's Devin Thomas is skyrocketing up NFL daft boards. He had a strong 2007 season, turned in the sixth-best 40-time (4.40) among all players, recorded the fifth-best vertical jump (10-6) and caught the ball very well. Much like Hardy, he could start creeping into that late-first round range and he would be a perfect fit for a West Coast team because of his ability to create after the catch.
Lastly, Richmond WR Arman Shields represented the Spiders well with the second-best three-cone drill (6.67), best 60-yard shuttle (10.87) and second-best broad jump (10-8). In addition, his 37.5-inch vertical jump tied for second, he benched 225 pounds 19 times and he ran a 4.44. Shields' production dipped during an injury-marred senior season, but he's slowly emerging as a great second-day sleeper.
Two receivers of note who didn't run Sunday are LSU's Early Doucet (own choice) and Oklahoma's Malcolm Kelly (lingering quad injury).

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas ran the 40 in 4.40. Here's some more stuff about him.

"In 13 games, Thomas registered 79 receptions for 1,260 yards (15.8 yards/catch) and eight touchdowns, leading Michigan State in all of those categories. He returned 39 kickoffs for 1,135 yards, a 29.1-yard average. Thomas also had 27 carries for 177 yards (6.5 avg.) and seven punt returns for 18 yards. For the season, Thomas totaled 2,590 all-purpose yards.

He ranked in the top 20 nationally in receptions, receiving yards, all-purpose yards and kickoff return yards.

Thomas, 21, is listed at 6-feet-2, 218 pounds."

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Schmitt ran 4.98. Caulcrick wasn't listed (so he was probably slower by a lot).

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Sweed is going to be tough to pass up if he's still on the board at 21.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas now has my full attention. Wow. I like his versatility, and that he's a bigger cat..Impressive. What kind of draft grade is he getting. I could be convinced to give up my man krush on Jordy Nelson if we can get this cat in the second....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Is Vinny dumb enough to draft a wide receiver in the first round? Especially a guy with a bad wrist. Vinny couldn't be that dumb, could he? Could he?

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Is Vinny dumb enough to draft a wide receiver in the first round? Especially a guy with a bad wrist. Vinny couldn't be that dumb, could he? Could he?

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 03:15 PM

We are talking about Cerrato right? With Snyder having "minimal" input? No way they take him with the 21st pick. They'll at least trade up to the 15th for him. At least.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Devin Thomas seems to be flying up a lot of draft boards today, so he may only be available in the first round. It seems like Jordy Nelson is flying under the media radar, even though the NFL Network guys seemed to like him a lot. Maybe Nelson will still be available in the second round.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas now has my full attention. What kind of draft grade is he getting.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 03:13 PM

Greg,

"Rocketing up draft boards" is nevah a good thing. This is the sort of thing where our front office is willing to give up picks in next year's draft to move up four slots to catch the rocket.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The only issue I have with Thomas is that he has one year of college production as a WR. It'll most likely take a little longer to adjust to thr pro game given his inexperience.

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

ta, nice job on spelling nevah, in proper bostonese.

Don't get me wrong on what I think this team needs. If Merling/Campbell, heck, I'll throw Balmer in there as well, are still on the board at 21, that is the direction I think the team needs to go. But Sweed, had high first round pick written all over him prior to the injury...

I'm just ecstatic that the Redskins at this point have their picks in the first 3 rounds.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to think of the players in recent memory that "rocketed up the draft boards" in their year. I'm talking about the guys who were question marks as the season ended, but pre-draft workouts and interviews had the scouts "wowed", coming out of seemingly nowhere. These are the marquee (1st round) guys I can think of:

-Troy Williamson
-Shawn Merriman
-Jay Cutler
-Ronnie Brown
-Matt Jones
-Jason Campbell?

I'm not really thinking clearly right now, but I'd like to see a subjective list of the guys who kind of fit that description, and see what the degree of success has been with these types.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The draft is a ways off, whereas free agency starts on Friday midnight. I don't believe that (1) the Skins don't at least go to the FA well for ONE guy (if you are counting the negatives in this sentence, that means I do believe they do go to the well once), and (2) before the twelfth bell tolls Friday night at midnight, at least one of our beloved Skins (or maybe not so beloved) will feel the axe fall on his contract. Obvious candidates are Blloyd and Brunell, but I'm thinking someone else ... not sure who, just someone else whose currently under contract.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

psps, I'm certain there are tons of additional guys who've rocketed up boards ... just not the mock boards ... but instead the private, dry-erase boards maintained by actual teams.

Posted by: dcsween | February 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The thing that bothers me about Sweed - how many offensive skill players come out of U. of Texas and then don't do much in the NFL? Maybe they are just good system players. Maybe Texas just gets the best recruits for talent but who have never had to work hard, and don't make the transition to the pro game. Have there been any star receivers in the NFL out of Texas in the past 20 years?

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

taf, Roy Williams(Det), and Ricky Williams immediately come to mind.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Roy Williams is the only one I can think of.

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"how many offensive skill players come out of U. of Texas and then don't do much in the NFL?"

A: Earl Campbell

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow you are showing your age to bring up big Earl. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Williams was good, and could have been even better if he wasn't a goofball - agreed. Has Roy Williams really done all that much in Detroit though? Even in a Mike Martz offense, we didn't hear that much about him. That's what I mean about U. of Texas players - they seem to disappear in the NFL after being touted as future stars. Anyone else besides those two come to mind?

We don't need Sweed if he is going to disappear. We already have Mix in the disappearing receiver slot.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I would also say that I don't put Jason Campbell in the category of rocketing up draft boards. If I recall, he had a late first, early second draft grade given to him.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Earl Campbell was 30 years ago. So we have Earl, Ricky, and Roy? One good-to-excellent guy every 10 years? That's why Sweed worries me.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

taf, 28 touchdowns in 4 years. Not bad, wouldn't you say? And NO-ONE does much of anything up in Detroit. Put this cat in a much better system, and he'd put up huge numbers.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Nah, JM. Actually I think I'm one of the younger dudes up here. I just know greatness from back in the day due to those highlights shown by NFL Films. Campbell and Sayers always comes to mind.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Earl was a monster. Him and Walter would just punish people.

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

sween, your dry erase marker comment reminded me of this gem from the Onion:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/nfl_draft_in_chaos_as_mel_kipers

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone recognizes Texas U, as one of those offensive juggernauts. Usually just their O-linemen get a lot of attention in the draft. They're more like Oklahoma, a school known for their defensive players.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I swear I heard something in the last day or 2 about Roy Williams being shopped by Detroit, must have been on NFL network or ESPN. Much has been said that he could be one of the most dominant WR's in the league if the effort was there all the time.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Besides, if I was Roy Williams of Detroit, I would change my name to Cosmo Williams or something. Roy in Dallas gets all the press for that name.

Maybe Roy the receiver would do better somewhere else - you're right, Greg. Detroit is a tough place to get a read on talent. Jon Kitna? It's like the 3 amigos in St Louis when Gus Frerotte is tossing the ball.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe Vince young was from Texas (although maybe not a great example.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Top Longhorns NFL Draft selections
Year Rd. (Overall) Player, Pos., Team
1982 1 (1) Kenneth Sims, DE, New England Patriots
1977 1 (1) Earl Campbell, RB, Houston Oilers
1966 1 (1) Tommy Nobis, LB, Atlanta Falcons
2001 1 (2) Leonard Davis, OT, Arizona Cardinals
1980 1 (2) Johnny 'Lam' Jones, WR, New York Jets
2006 1 (3) Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans
1973 1 (3) Jerry Sisemore, OT, Philadelphia Eagles
1948 1 (3) Bobby Layne, QB, Chicago Bears
2005 1 (4) Cedric Benson, RB, Chicago Bears
2002 1 (4) Mike Williams, OT, Buffalo Bills
1964 1 (4) Scott Appleton, OT, Dallas Cowboys
2002 1 (5) Quentin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers
1999 1 (5) Ricky Williams, RB, New Orleans Saints
1997 1 (5) Bryant Westbrook, CB, Detroit Lions
1947 1 (5) Hub Bechtol, WR, Pittsburgh Steelers


Texas' all-time first-round NFL Draft selection duos
Year Rd. (Overall) Player, Pos., Team
2006 1 (3) Vince Young, QB, Tennessee Titans
1 (7) Michael Huff, S, Oakland Raiders
2005 1 (4) Cedric Benson, RB, Chicago Bears
1 (15) Derrick Johnson, LB, Kansas City Chiefs
2004 1 (7) Roy Williams, WR, Detroit Lions
1 (23) Marcus Tubbs, DT, Seattle Seahawks
2002 1 (4)* Mike Williams, OT, Buffalo Bills
1 (5)* Quentin Jammer, CB, San Diego Chargers
2001 1 (2) Leonard Davis, OT, Arizona Cardinals
1 (19) Casey Hampton, DT, Pittsburgh Steelers
1991 1 (9) Stanley Richard, S, San Diego Chargers
1 (22) Stan Thomas, OT, Chicago Bears
1980 1 (2) Johnny 'Lam' Jones, WR, New York Jets
1 (17) Johnnie Johnson, DB, Los Angeles Rams
1 (24) Derrick Hatchett, DB, Baltimore Colts
1953 1 (10) Tom Stolhanske, E, San Francisco 49ers
1 (13) Harley Sewell, OG, Detroit Lions
1948 1 (3) Bobby Layne, QB, Chicago Bears
1 (10) Max Bumgardner, E, Chicago Bears
*first Longhorns duo to be selected in top five overall

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Gale Sayers...John Riggins...Jordy Nelson.

Three football players from Kansas schools.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Earl is in rough shape currently...trouble walking, standing....very sad. Someone needs to have Zach meet Earl....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Until Vince Young changes his mechanics, IMO he'll be very ineffective at QB. He won't be able to run like that forever. If you call that running. Looks like he just takes HUGE strides.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Who's the DJ mixing and scratching my post?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I left off Vince Young because he is a QB, and I was thinking about RBs and WRs only. The jury is still out on Vince, but he is talented, no doubt.

Great list on Texas draft picks. Lam Jones is the best/only receiver after Roy Williams? Hugh Bechtol? Who?

I vote "NO" on Limas Sweed.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Vince Young just needs Zorn as a coach. (Kidding - no retorts necessary.)

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

what if lloyd gets cut, re-signs for the vet minimum, works his ass off, wins back a starting spot, breaks santana's single-season receiving yards record, makes the pro bowl, and wins mvp next year? i think if that happens, we should all get free buffalo wings on our next order of papa johns.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

tafka, are you suggesting that we trade for...???

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

2nd favorite non-Redskin running back:
Earl Campbell

1st: Sweetness.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

tafka, I'm not trying to be an ass but it always seems as though you hate every name that gets brought up. Is there someone you think is a better choice?

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I think b. Lloyd will end up staying here. It seems Zorn thinks he may have lost interest, or just was unable to grasp those 700 pages of BS. If he does stay I think he'll end up having a decent year.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't seem to be too high on drafting first rounders from Texas....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

cdubb - I heard that about trading Roy Williams also, but check this from cbssportsline.

Lions coach Rod Marinelli clarified that the club will not trade WR Roy Williams this offseason. Williams enters 2008 in the final year of his contract. Marinelli wants to have Williams and Calvin Johnson together for a long time. "I know the rumors that are out," Marinelli said. "Those two guys together, I want to see those guys where they can really impact a game. They are special. They've got to have, and they will have, great years for us. We have to ensure they have great years. Those are explosive weapons. Not many people have two guys like that on a team. We've got to do everything we can do to protect our quarterback -- get the ball to those two big guys. I'm very confident he's (Williams) here. Very confident."
(Updated 02/25/2008).

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

We have a lot of positions of need. I suspect we're looking at the best available player with the 21st pick.

I doubt they'll use it on OL or WR. In fact, I'd bet they use it on the best defensive player.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Hi sams.

I am just saying that Sweed worries me, especially since he seems like he would have to be a 1st round choice and I think that would be a bad move. We have bigger needs than wide receiver, and the draft looks to be filled with lots of young talented wide receivers anyway. This Jordy Nelson guy that was brought up this morning seems very promising if he is still around in the 2nd or 3rd round.

It seems to me that the Redskins need to draft a more critical position than wide receiver in the 1st round this year. Drafting Sweed seems like a Matt Millen move, when what we seem to need is DE or DT or OL or CB in the 1st round.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

As far as FA goes, we may see some help on OL there. Anybody tracking that possibility?

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Sweed seems like a Matt Millen move

I disagree with this. Millen spent 3 picks on wideouts in the top ten picks in the draft, one of which flamed out in a huge way. The last WR that the Redskins drafted was Rod Gardner back in 2001.

I just think that Sweed has high first round pick talent, and had he not injured his wrist he'd probably be picked in the top ten.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, here are some guys I do like:

Calais Campbell and Phillip Merling and Derrick Harvey at DE. Kentwan Balmer at DT. Brendan Albert and Jeff Otah at OL. Kenny Phillips at S. And the -Cromartie kid at CB.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hi sams.

I am just saying that Sweed worries me, especially since he seems like he would have to be a 1st round choice and I think that would be a bad move. We have bigger needs than wide receiver, and the draft looks to be filled with lots of young talented wide receivers anyway. This Jordy Nelson guy that was brought up this morning seems very promising if he is still around in the 2nd or 3rd round.

It seems to me that the Redskins need to draft a more critical position than wide receiver in the 1st round this year. Drafting Sweed seems like a Matt Millen move, when what we seem to need is DE or DT or OL or CB in the 1st round.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 04:20 PM

Agreed, the only reason I keep going back to WR in my mind is because I saw what Owens did for Dallas. That O-line was a joke in 2005 and 2006, then all of a sudden they all went to the probowl. I really don't think they improved that quickly. Owens makes that team work.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Greg. By a Matt Millen move, I meant picking a player in the 1st round based on talent rather than need. In other words, why pick WRs three years in a row when your defense is full of holes? (The Matt Millen Method.)

We have Santana and Randle El and some guys with possibilities for the 2/3 slot. But we have big holes in the lines and other places. Picking the best talent available is great when you are stocked with talent. Picking for need is critical when you have big talent holes in your roster, due to injury or age.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I KNOW SOMEBODY IS WORKING AT THE POST....UPDATE!!!!!!

Posted by: elbooyah | February 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, the only reason I keep going back to WR in my mind is because I saw what Owens did for Dallas. That O-line was a joke in 2005 and 2006, then all of a sudden they all went to the probowl. I really don't think they improved that quickly. Owens makes that team work.

Posted by: sams3 | February 25, 2008 04:29 PM

Alas, this will be one topic that I will always disagree with you sams. Owens was on that 2006 team too, he wasn't working out for them nearly as well. That team improved because the O-line improved, because Andre Gurode was added to the starting lineup and Leonard Davis was added via FA. It's amazing how much one player can make a difference in an O-line. When Randy Thomas went down, the whole line went down with him. No receiver is going to make the line block better for Jason Campbell.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Not only do we need an update, but we need someone to tell Loseable Type to fix this damn blog.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Picking the best talent available is great when you are stocked with talent. Picking for need is critical when you have big talent holes in your roster, due to injury or age.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 04:32 PM

Agreed completely. We do not have the luxury of picking the best available at this point. If there's one position on the field that you cannot afford to have holes (other than QB), it's your offensive line.

Posted by: psps23 | February 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Stumped

Here are two FA names on the OL to check out. The could get them at a reasonable price.

Jacob Bell G/T Tennesse
Rex Hadnot G/C Miami

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

That Trevor Laws kid is impressing me at the combine (DT). The NFLN guys like him too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Look at Dre Moore too. 305 lbs and ran a 4.88 40.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

sams,

T.O was a 3rd round pick from a second tier school (UT-Chattanooga), so trying to find "the next T.O.' is problematic. (I think Vinny may have actually found the original T.O.) We would all like to have the next T.O. in DC, but it seems like picking WRs in the 1st round usually gets you talented guys like Westbrook and Gardner.

To me, using the 1st round to get critical needs is the most important thing, and then maybe getting a Jordy Nelson or someone similar in the 2nd or 3rd round at WR.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen

Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67
Johnson, Curtis 4.69
Ellis, Chris 4.71
Gatewood, Curtis 4.74
Long, Chris 4.75
Smith, Bryan 4.75
Thompson, Jeremy 4.75

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Trevor Laws (DT)
Height:6'1"
Weight:297
College:Notre Dame
Conference:IA Independents
Hometown:Burnsville, MN
High School:Apple Valley

Overview
With all of the attention heaped upon LSU's Glenn Dorsey and Southern California's Sedrick Ellis, some might be surprised to note Laws is by far and away the most productive defensive tackle eligible for the draft. Utilizing a quick burst, impressive hand technique and a non-stop motor, Laws' team-leading 112 tackles ranks only one behind Steve Niehaus as the most in Irish history from a defensive lineman. A strong performance at the Senior Bowl proved Laws wasn't a product of a leaky Notre Dame defense, but a standout despite it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

I liked what Dre Moore did in the senior bowl as well as what he's doing at the combine. The word is he is an underacheiver. They said the same about Montgomery and he's turning into a find for the Skins.

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

I agree about Laws. Very athletic for a dude his size. Mayock thinks he's well suited to play at nose tackle in a 3-4, but also a 3-technique guy in a 4-3, which I believe is on our list of needs.

Posted by: JustMe | February 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network used to list the workout numbers for all participants. Now it seems like all they list are the "best performances". That makes it really hard to check on individual players, especially since that draft scout site is getting hammered with users today.

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen - 20 yard shuttle

Long, Chris 4.21
Gatewood, Curtis 4.22
Ortiz, Chase 4.23
Thompson, Jeremy 4.23
Jones, Jason 4.23
Harvey, Derrick 4.36
Gholston, Vernon 4.40
Jackson, Lawrence 4.40
Smith, Bryan 4.40
Groves, Quentin 4.42

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen - 3 cone drill

Avril, Cliff 6.90
Gatewood, Curtis 6.90
Thompson, Jeremy 6.97
Long, Chris 7.02
Ortiz, Chase 7.03
Jackson, Lawrence 7.08
Biermann, Kroy 7.08
Gholston, Vernon 7.12
Smith, Bryan 7.22
Harvey, Derrick 7.27

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen - Vertical Jump

Gholston, Vernon 35.5
Howard, Marcus 34.5
Long, Chris 34.0
Avril, Cliff 32.5
Holmes, Louis 32.5
Smith, Bryan 32.5
Thompson, Jeremy 32.0
Biermann, Kroy 31.5
Jackson, Lawrence 31.0
Craig, Angelo 30.5
Laws, Trevor 30.5

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen - Broad Jump

Gholston, Vernon 10'5"
Long, Chris 10'4"
Jones, Jason 10'3"
Holmes, Louis 10'1"
Groves, Quentin 10'0"
Smith, Bryan 10'0"
Craig, Angelo 9'10"
Avril, Cliff 9'9"
Harrington, Chris 9'9"
Thompson, Jeremy 9'9"

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Defensive Linemen - 40 yard dash

Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67
Johnson, Curtis 4.69
Ellis, Chris 4.71
Gatewood, Curtis 4.74
Long, Chris 4.75
Smith, Bryan 4.75
Thompson, Jeremy 4.75

Posted by: tafka | February 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Tafka

From your last 2 post, the player that stands out to me is Lawrence Jackson. He should slide to the second round. The 20 shows his initial burst (the 10 yard split would be nice to know as well). The 3 cone shows his ability to change directions

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Trevor Laws 30.5' vert for a 300lb man? Pretty good. And 35 reps at 225lbs.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

Where is Laws projected to go?

Posted by: mdvj | February 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Lawrence Jackson (DE)
Height:6'5"
Weight:268
College:Southern Cal
Conference:Pac 10
Hometown:Inglewood, CA
High School:Inglewood

More on Jackson:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/lawrence-jackson?id=260&campaign=gsi_g

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Late second or third round for Laws, 2nd for Moore

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Laws jumped 8' 7" in the long jump. I'd like to see him get a shot with us. He would definately eat up some room on that line.

The NFLN guys seem to like Moore a lot too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

This blog is on fire!

Posted by: not Who Farted? This Blog Stinks/ February 25, 2008

Posted by: notguy | February 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I follow the Irish (consider myself an Irish fan), Laws is nasty - I believe he blocked a ton of field goals during his career at ND as well.

Dude that was drafted out of ND last year, Derek Landri, plays for JAX - he's sick nasty also......

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 25, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

so are we doing a Redskins Insiders march madness bracket again? I want an invite if so. I have to better my 4th place finish from last year.

Posted by: Dorf | February 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah...I forgot Doughty played well and he plays physical. What's interesting is that the FO was criticized for not addressing the D-Line in last year's draft, but they were able to coach up some good young talent. I thought that was a plus last season. Leigh Torrence is fast, but a bit small. I'd love to get a solid CB, because while Sean Springs is our best corner, but we need to get young at that position.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

So am i the only one who thinks we either

1)Draft OL or LB with the 21st

2) Trade down to get more pics

Wouldnt it be awesome if Vinny actually made a big boy move and got us more pics? Hes stupid not to do it because it gets him on the road to redemption and if we get lucky and someone wants someone at our slot, its actually a great move.

I mean, most of what ive been reading is that we need DEPTH...at WR, CB, DE, LB, and OL.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Why the beep is Cerrato talking. Why dosen't he just keep his mouth shut and let proffesoinals do this! Not Snyder, not anybody on the Redskins is proffesional enough to handle these kinds of things!

Posted by: tasoscilaris | February 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Why the beep is Cerrato talking. Why dosen't he just keep his mouth shut and let proffesoinals do this! Not Snyder, not anybody on the Redskins is proffesional enough to handle these kinds of things!

Posted by: tasoscilaris | February 25, 2008 08:40 PM


I hate to be a Danbot, but where the F have u been the last 3 or 4 years? Our drafts have been pretty good considering we never had a full compliment of pics. ST, L2, JC, Cooley (although im sure that was mostly Gibbs), were Golston and Montgomery draft pics or FA's? Hell even though he hasnt produced, Rogers has started for us all this time.

I may be a painter, but that seems like pretty PROFFESIONAL to me.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Not one to usually complain but did Jasno quit the blog? He hasn't posted since 2/16. FA starts in 3 days, gotta be something going on.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Dude, the outsider stinks. Where is the inside info. Who were the Skinz looking at at the combine? Get some talk moving...something.

I saw NFL channel guys saying they liked the big Saftey from Miami to replace Sean T with the 21st pick. Thoughts? Can we afford to draft three safeties in the past 4 or 5 years with our top picks???

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 25, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos

Zorn and Mooch interview. No way that Mooch is only 4.2% body fat.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 25, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

The skins are not picking a safety in the first round or second or third...

Posted by: jhess18 | February 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse


So am i the only one who thinks we either

1)Draft OL or LB with the 21st

2) Trade down to get more pics

Wouldnt it be awesome if Vinny actually made a big boy move and got us more pics? Hes stupid not to do it because it gets him on the road to redemption and if we get lucky and someone wants someone at our slot, its actually a great move.

Posted by: GimmyDatPot | February 25, 2008 08:40 PM

I would love to see us trade down, even if it was all the way out of the first round. Pick up a couple of mid-round picks and really give our team some depth. This seems like the deepest draft in areas of our need (OL, DE, WR, CB). As far as taking a LB in the first, I don't think there will be any worth the first round grade. If somehow Keith Rivers slides to 21, he would be a good choice, but otherwise its not a good pick. If Harvey is there take him, Calais Campbell if Harvey is gone, Aquib Talib, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Kentwan Balmer, I think one of those guys will be at 21 and we take the best of them.

I mean, most of what ive been reading is that we need DEPTH...at WR, CB, DE, LB, and OL.


Posted by: anotherwes | February 25, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Is this thing on?

Posted by: bangkokben | February 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I've been checking out other blog sites and it's amazing how many unfounded completely ridiculous rumors people will put out there and others will bite hook, line, and sinker. No backing up anything. I've got to say that is one of the reasons I like this blog the best. Tons of unfounded rumors but others willing to jump all over the idiocy. Thanks for some objectivity and somewhat cerebral opinions and thoughts.

PS. the latest rumor on the Warpath insider is that Randy Moss is going to Dallas and that it was posted on NFL.com. I checked (for the sake of accuracy) and couldn't find it anywhere. It's not even free agency yet, plus Moss has publicly stated that he wants to play with Brady. So I guess I'm a victim of my own curiosity because I at least checked it out, and was frightened by the thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Scamp

It wasn't ESPN it was FoxSport but it was nothing concrete just speculation. Here's the link.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7837770/Talk-isn't-just-about-college-stars-at-combine

Posted by: mdvj | February 26, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Pretty good article:

http://was.scout.com/2/732134.html

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Pretty good article:

http://was.scout.com/2/732134.html

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

James Hardy, the 6-5, 217-pounder out of Indiana ran a surprisingly fast 40 (4.44.) and could move from the second round into the late first round.

If Hardy is that fast I would like to get him. But not in the first round. I saw him play a few times very good college player - smooth.

With age and the depth at D Line in the draft we got to get some help there this draft.

Posted by: mul | February 26, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

We're still sticking with these picks until the Combine is over and the results scramble things a bit:

1st Round: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

2nd Round: Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana

3rd Round: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

4th Round: Traded to Denver

5th Round: Donald Thomas, G, U.Conn

6th Round: Letroy Guion, DT, Florida State

7th Round: Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 26, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Definitely the BIG QUESTION of the week:

Where's Jasno?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 26, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3263814

Phil Savage is a genius yet when JJG did this for Rogers and JC it was a reach.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 26, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

Q & A: Former Scout and GM Jr's Russ Lande

http://sea.scout.com/a.z?s=114&p=2&c=732134

Posted by: JustMe | February 26, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

We Need a new post what the hell is going on, I want to know what we are thinking going into FA and what we thought about players at the combine.

The sea.scout story was good but why does everyone think the draft was better with Gibbs he was never a good personell guy not in his first term (He had a great GM) and not this time he grabbed some good players but he missed on alot of late round choices and that is were you get depth. People hope the front office learned restraint from Gibbs in terms of FA when did Gibbs show restraint he went after FA like there was no tomorrow some were OK and some were terrible. I think we need to hold judgment until after the draft to decide how this FO handled the offseason.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | February 26, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Cricks, either we're related or we're sharing the same brain, because that draft you put together is about as spot on as I'd like it to be. My heart sank when Calais Campbell ran a 5.03 40. I think Balmers was even slower, not a good showing by some of the high profile guys.

No to a safety.

How big is Groves, and Chris Ellis?

All I know is that Merling can make himself a LOT of money with a good showing at his pro-day.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

I did not think Campbell was running but that is a slow time.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

km, I flipped on NFL Network last night, and it came on just as he was running. He didn't look good at all. When running the 40 he immediately stood up out of the blocks. He just didn't look like an athlete, I know he's got a whole college career that contradicts this, but he looked stiff, and awkward. In the other drills, this really stood out. He didn't look athletically inclined.....just my .02

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Cerrato spoke a week ago new thread!!! Something anything ie top performers at the combine...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 26, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

How are you going to maintain this intensity all the way to the draft?

Here's what Sports Illustrated is saying about Campbell:

"Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Rock, Collins are expected to test free agent market.

I do not blame them for testing the market Rock wants to be a starting running back or at least number two and that will not happen here. Todd wants to be a starter and if he can not fine that in FA then he will most likely resign with us.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I think that shows a real lack of work ethic that he was unable to get in shape for the combine when he had months to prepare.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

ta, thanks for the update, I'll simmer down here in a little bit. Its a marathon, not a sprint, I need to tell myself that.

As far as Campbell goes, I think there is a subtle reality that he's fallen out of the first and quite possibly the second round? If I were the Redskins and he was still out there in the 3rd, I'd take a shot at him.

Depending on what Merling does, I'd say that if the team was heading into this draft thinking DE, they need to refocus their energy on DT, and OG with their first round pick. I'll say again, the best thing for the team might be for Jeff Otah to slide to 21.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

km, thats a great point. This is the biggest job interview that Campbell will have, and he showed up out of shape. What kind of message is that putting out? Lets face it, once these guys declare for the draft, its not like they're still going to classes, and things of that nature.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Asante Samuel,

Wants between 10 and 11 million per year, I just do not think he is that good of a CB to warrant that kind of money.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

I would take Otah if he is there you will be able to get a good DE in the second round.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I can't see this front office passing up a WR in the first round. They love the sizzle and have to be frustrated by the anemic numbers their offenses have put up. Don Banks has them taking Malcolm Kelly, but thinks they could also choose Limas Sweed, Jeff Otah, or Calais Campbell, who are all on his board at #21.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Just read that Denver and Detriot have a deal in place to send S.Rodgers to the Broncos. It seems that Denver is willing to take on any teams's rejects as long as he can play on the D-Line.
What I find amusing is that the Broncos and Bowen do not get ripped by the national media quite the same way the Redskins and Snyder do for basically the same thing.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 26, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Otah is a stud. If a team can afford to let me sit the bench for a year or two while works on his technique, he will prove to be a great first round pick.
I can think of at least one team who has a RT in place that looks like he may winding down on his career in a year or two...

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 26, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Skins,

No team gets ripped by the national media like we do. I heard Billick say that he was never told why he was being fired and that he was givin a vote of confidence a week before he got canned, if that had been Snyder and not Bischoti the national media would have destroyed him.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, a new thread would be nice, but I don't think there is anything going on... Maske doesn't even have a new "NFL notebook" today, does he?

This is one of the few times in the calendar when the whole WashPo Skins team can take a break. I like to think they're going to come back rested and recharged and ready to bring the heat up here, as things get a lot more interesting in free agency and then draft time.

As Wooderson said, "Patience, darling, patience."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

No team gets ripped like the 'Skins, but this is solely related to Dan Snyder. It wasn't always like this. And Dan Snyder seems to have gone out of his way to earn the enmity of the media, and he doesn't seem to have a clue as to how to turn it around. Now that I think about it, he really doesn't seem to have a very good image with the fans, either.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

And so begins day 5 of the forced-march that is this blog entry....

Is SMACK around?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Now the bee takes his honey Then he sets the flower free
But in God's garden only
Man 'n the ants
They won't set each other be

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

ta, that stuff you wrote above from D. Banks, was that new? I mean, after the combine, there is NO WAY that Campbell gets taken in the first round. I also think that Malcolm Kelly ran a 4.6 40 at the combine, so he'd be a reach at 21 as well. I can't see the Skins taking a wide-out, I've been wrong before, but I can't see it.

What is Denver giving up in that trade?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

For anyone who wants to help rehabilitate The Owner's image, there's a vacancy at Ashburn...

http://www.redskins.com/tickets/article.jsp?id=25159#Sales

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

i can't fathom WHY they would take a receiver in the 1st round. i can definitely see them doing it, though. to snyder, we're always one playmaker away from from glory.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, not sure what Denver is giving up. The story is out of the Detriot News.
Hopefully you are right and they pass on WR with their first round pick. Historically, first round WR and D-Line are busts more often than they are not (unless you are picking top-5, of course). Play it safe, draft Otah. He fills a position of dire need, I do not believe he will be a bust, and they can go after a quality WR during FA instead.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 26, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm taking the part back about the receiver in the first round. That cat from Mich. State, I'd possibly take him in the first round, because he seems to be a multi-dimensional player, returns kicks, returns punts, could work in at the 3rd receiver spot. So, in hindsight, I take back the "receiver" in the first mantra. He quite possibly could be the best player on the board at that time.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow. A 6'8" 280 lb. dude that can only do 16 reps on the bench. If gmarino is on point about him standing up right away running and in drills his weak ass is gonna get pushed all over the field. Pass on him. Take the best available at either CB, OL or DE.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I read that Stephen Davis just signed a one day contract with the Panthers so he could retire a Panther.

It reminds me of the painful Steve Spurrier era where they got rid of a strong effective power runner, because he wasn't a quick scat back.

I also found it interesting that he played 6 years in Washington vs 3 years in Carolina and he had his best years here.

Yet he considers himself a Panther. He was just one of the first of many victims of a poorly run front office that makes bad decisions.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 26, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

No the Banks stuff was his mock draft #2, which was pre-combine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 26, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Laws jumped 8' 7" in the long jump. I'd like to see him get a shot with us. He would definitely eat up some room on that line."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 25, 2008 05:35 PM

... not to mention that, if he jumps offsides, someone in the back field is gonna feel it.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

dubb, he had that 'egg-beater' thing going on when he was running, he was all arms, and legs going every which way..definetly seemed like if a halfway decent tackle got his arms on Campbell, that would be it, game over.

skinsfan, just for fun, can you please, please, please list out all the bad decisions that were made 5-7 years ago? That should be fun....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Feb 25 - OT Chris Samuels restructures contract

Redskins' 2008 Salary Cap Situation
Last updated: February 26, 2008

$1.922m under the Skins adjusted cap of $117.821m.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

BOOORRRRIIINNNNGGGG!!!!

The Hamsters are hungry...

STOP THE STARVING - FEED THE HUNGRY!

Posted by: EinVB | February 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Another point of view:

Current Status
2008 Cap Fees for Redskins' Top 51: $109.5
2008 Redskins Dead Cap Money: $6.9
2008 Redskins Cap Total: $116.4
2008 NFL Salary Cap - Adjusted for WAS LTBE: $117.8
Current 2008 Redskins Cap Room: $1.4

Expected Transactions - savings(hit)
Clinton Portis - Basic Restructure of 2008 Base Salary: $3.2
Cornelius Griffin - Basic Restructure of 2008 Base Salary: $2.6
Santana Moss - Basic Restructure of 2008 Base Salary: $1.9
Casey Rabach - Basic Restructure of 2008 Base Salary: $1.4
Ladell Betts - Basic Restructure of 2008 Roster Bonus: $1.7
Clinton Portis - Basic Restructure of 2008 Roster Bonus: $0.4
Brandon Lloyd - Waived Prior to June 1: ($2.9)
Todd Wade - Waived Prior to June 1: $0.7
Total Savings(hit) From Expected Transactions: $9.0
2008 Redskins Cap Room after Expected Transactions: $10.4 million

Other Ways to Reduce the Cap Number:
Extend or cut Shawn Springs
Extend or cut Phillip Daniels
Extend or cut Pete Kendall
Keep Brandon Lloyd instead of cutting him
Cut Brandon Lloyd as a post-June 1 cut. This would mean the team carries some dead cap for him in 2009.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

And so begins day 5 of the forced-march that is this blog entry....

Is SMACK around?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 09:26 AM

Right here, Coat, like a grey adder at the end of the hall.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 26, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe they didn't get Paul Walker to star in that pretty boy MMA movie. I would really like to see Kimbo Slice kill anyone in that movie. He'd need about 10 seconds.

Never Back Down? Don't Back Down?

Kimbo Slice = Clubber Lang

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Good work on the cap, I think they will even go farther and have plenty of money for the offseason.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

skinsfan30420248... totally agree with you on Stephen Davis. I loved that man (don't mention the Dallas fumble though).

I wouldn't want to consider myself a skin if that was my career.

He did get punched in the face Westbrook. That's probably a bad memory if anything.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Scambell-

This is very helpful. How do the expected moves work - converting salary to next year or something?


Posted by: zornskins | February 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Gregg,

Corners
Bench Press
Name Reps
Molden, Antwaun 23
Tryon, Justin 21
Cason, Antoine 20
Wilhite, Jonathan 20
Williams, Jack 19
Branch, Tyvon 19

Safties
Bench Press
Name Reps
Johnson, Tyrell 27
Zbikowski, Tom 24
Campbell, Caleb 24
Barber, Dominique 23
Morgan, DaJuan 21
Parker, D.J. 19
Phillips, Kenny 19

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Lemmy just ran a 5.2 with a couple of DEA agents chasing him.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 26, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the hookup on the stats. How pathetic is it that Calais Campbell couldn't out bench any of the corners or safeties listed? Campbell cost himself MILLIONS of dollars by being weak and out of shape.

If I'm Merlings agent, I'm not letting this golden opportunity pass by.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Lemmy has ingested so many exotic drugs now that he can fly, he doesn't need to run!

Oh, RTF girl, are you stone?
Let me be your china gnome
Play me on your gramophone
And bury me in your garden

Now Fast Eddie Clarke would probably do the 40 in 4s dead!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I like how we look at these guys who can rep more than most people up here could probably max at and call them weak and lazy. I know its all relative to their competition, I just think its funny imagining some skinny punk behind his laptop saying those things.

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, amen. I'm not calling anyone weak and lazy until jm220 calls them weak and lazy (which is not his way ... except for calling out the weak and lazy chRIs Larry).

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

16 reps of 225? what losers can't do that?

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Scambell- This is very helpful. How do the expected moves work - converting salary to next year or something?

Posted by: zornskins | February 26, 2008 10:41 AM

I believe that they just spread this years salary out over the remaining life of the contract or convert some of it to bonus money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

16 reps of 225? what losers can't do that? gosh...

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

16 reps of 225? what losers can't do that?

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 11:20 AM

Me

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

We are not trying out for the NFL he is and if he is that weak compared to other guys trying out for the NFL he will get manhandled by OT's. He does not even have the speed to make up for the lack of strength.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Again, the Onion has a relevant tidbit.. relevant to the discussion of internet pipsqueaks or other mediots calling out fubbal players as insufficiently strengthy:

http://www.theonion.com/content/from_print/1985_photo_reveals_espns

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

That Rogers- Cromartie kid just ran a 4.28

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

And lest anyone misunderstand, I am of course in the internet pipsqueak category.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

From PFT.com

McFADDEN'S AGENT CONFIRMS PATERNITY ISSUES

With rumors swirling that Arkansas running back Darren McFadden has fathered as many as four children with four different women, his agent, Ian Greengross, confirms that there are three children who might be McFadden's.

McFadden submitted to a paternity test for a child born last year, and it was determined that he wasn't the father. But a problem with the chain of custody will require McFadden to take the test again. (Apparently, Kramer spilled spaghetti sauce on the last one.)

Two other kids, one due to be born in July and the other one in August, were allegedly fathered by McFadden. Greengross told the Miami Herald that McFadden will submit to testing after the kids are born.

Greengross says that McFadden has no other children.

How does he have time to play Football. LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Darren McFadden, meet Travis Henry. Travis Henry, meet Darren McFadden.
Travis Henry, Darren McFadden, meet Shawn Kemp.
Shawn, meet Travis Henry, and Darren McFadden.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Kimbo Slice is an animal!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 26, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Darren McFadden, meet Travis Henry. Travis Henry, meet Darren McFadden.
Travis Henry, Darren McFadden, meet Shawn Kemp.
Shawn, meet Travis Henry, and Darren McFadden.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 11:40 AM

All Hail Michael Jordan

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

psp, how many kids does Mike have?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, but there are definitely those rumors out there of illegitimate Jordan babies coming from his playing days. Obviously there's no definitive proof that's come out, but from the rumors that i've heard, he actually has spent good money keeping the mother's quiet. Of course, I have no factual basis for making these claims, but it's always more interesting to run with the rumors.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Scambell- This is very helpful. How do the expected moves work - converting salary to next year or something?

Posted by: zornskins | February 26, 2008 10:41 AM

I believe that they just spread this years salary out over the remaining life of the contract or convert some of it to bonus money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 11:21 AM

League rules say that teams need to be charged a minimum salary (the proverbial vet min) for each of the top 51 paid players per league year. Annual salaries for some guys are above that, and any of the portion above the vet min (which increases per years in the league) can be converted into bonus and paid out as such. In the current year, the player gets the total amount, but its proportional labels may change. Some of the bonus money does not need to be counted in the current year and can be spread out (forward) over the years remaining on the contract.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Travis Henry, Shmavis Henry ... none of those guys have anything on Screamin' Jay Hawkins.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Cerrato has spoken?

Javon Walker to Dallas for a 5th rounder...

Also talk of Randy Moss goign to Dallas...

This should be an awesome year!

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

dc, who is Jay Hawkins? I am ignorant as to who that person is?

tripsams, is the Javon Walker to Dallas, is that true?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Wide receiver Troy Williamson reportedly is headed to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Newspaper reports in the Twin Cities say the Minnesota Vikings have agreed to trade the former first-round draft pick to the Jaguars for a sixth-round selection in April.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Wide receiver Troy Williamson reportedly is headed to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

They are trading a pick for that bum.

I would hate to see what would be said if that was us trading for him. Since it is Jacksonville it will be considered a great move.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Also talk of Randy Moss goign to Dallas

This would be great TO and Moss would kill each other with in a week and we would not have to worry about either of them.

No way that those to get along TO will want the same money Moss gets and will b!tch and wine until he is cut.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Screamin Jay Hawkins is a legendary crazy RnB singer...

Most famous for "I Put A Spell on You"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 26, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

thanks cl....

Troy Williamson, is the text-book definition of a bust. A grand total of 3 touchdowns in 3 years for Minny, and never had more than 500 yards receiving in a single season. They use the #7 overall pick on this guy, and 3 years later trade him for a 6th.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Williamson for a 6th. You're getting a freak of an athlete that's still young, who's potential may or may not have been tapped. And don't forget, he's been trying to catch passes from Travaris Jackson the last two years...not exactly the prime situation to develop a young receiver. It's when you give up a 3rd and 4th rounder for guys like this (along with a $30 million contract) that you end up looking foolish.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Verticle jump
Corners
Name Height
Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique 38.5
Talib, Aqib 38.0
Molden, Antwaun 37.5
Sharpe, Glenn 37.0
Wheatley, Terrence 36.5
Jackson, Chevis 36.0
Walker, Marcus 35.5
Williams, Jack 35.5
Cason, Antoine 35.5

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Aqib Talib getting bashed on NFLN. Stock dropping.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't impressed with Talib. If you looked at video of Jordy Nelson, Malcolm Kelly he was getting beat for TD's. Plus when Kansa faced Missouri late last year he didn't perofrm well then either.

Posted by: mdvj | February 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

PSP,

There were 6 players on his team that had more receptions then he did I do not think it was the QB's fault alone.

There is no reason to trade for him they will most likely cut him anyway.

Receiving Statistics
Vikings 2007
NAME REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
Bobby Wade 54 647 12.0 40 3 2 1
Sidney Rice 31 396 12.8 60 4 0 0
Robert Ferguson 32 391 12.2 71 1 0 0
Visanthe Shiancoe 27 323 12.0 79 1 1 1
Chester Taylor 29 281 9.7 50 0 0 0
Adrian Peterson 19 268 14.1 60 1 0 0
Troy Williamson 18 240 13.3 60 1 0 0

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Why are they bashing him did he have a bad 40 time, I never thought the guy was a first round pick he gets burned all the time.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

stupid vikings... didn't they know the Redskins would have given them a 2nd and a 3rd for a former 1st rounder?

Danny loves when the commentators mention how many 1st rounders are on the field at the same time...

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Good thing McFadden will get a big contract. He has to feed his Kids.

-Latrell Sprewell

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 26, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Why are they bashing him did he have a bad 40 time, I never thought the guy was a first round pick he gets burned all the time.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 12:53 PM

Poor technique in the drills and getting burned and giving up on game films.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Good article on taking running backs at the top of the draft.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23343082/

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for another week of inactivity in-between posts then a "Man I'm so overworked" intro to the next one!

Resist the urge to work! Hold the line! You can do it Hatchetafora!

Posted by: makalb18 | February 26, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Poor technique in the drills and getting burned and giving up on game films.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 01:05 PM

Thanks Scamp,

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Jasno doesn't get paid to BHGO. I wouldn't go near this sorry group of hamsters on my time off... wait...

dang it

Posted by: Dorf | February 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

makalb = barno jr.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I am curious to get everyone's opinions on an idea which I think would make the league better. This is not my original idea, I think i saw something similar posted on pft a while back.

The money 1st round drafted players make is utterly rediculous. teams with high 1st round picks are forced to garauntee millions of dollars to players who may or may not pan out. so here is my idea:

The NFL should a standard rookie salary for players selected in the draft... Player salaries should drop incrementally from the 1st player selected overall to the 32nd. After that, a player should be given a standard salary based on what round they were selected in.

Players would only make this "apprentice" salary for their first year - however, teams would own their rights for 5 years. After the 1st year, teams and the player would negotiate a longer-term contract. The player would not be allowed to play for that team in the coming season until a contract was signed (just like rookies cannot play currently until they sign their first NFL contract).

This would benefit the teams and the NFLPA, as teams wouldnt be forced to throw money away at players who may or may not be able to perform in the NFL. it would also be good for all NFL players because salary cap space would not be "Wasted" on rookies. Hence, there would be more money available to go to veteran players who have proven their worth to the league.

So what does everyone think about an arrangement like this?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

kmdp4 - I'm not saying he was good in Minny, I'm just saying that giving up a 6th rounder for a guy with that type of potential is a risk that I wouldn't frown upon. Very few 6th rounders end up being significant contributors on teams anyway (although we've been fortunate the last couple years with out later picks), so might as well take a shot. It's not a bad move in my opinion. Even if he only develops into a solid 3rd receiver or even 4th receiver, then you come out on top with that 6th round pick in my opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Seth,

The rookie salary issue definitely needs to be fixed. Somewhere between your suggestion and the NBA model, the right answer can probably be found. The agents won't like it - too bad for them. Give the "saved" money to veterans in the form of higher minimums after 5 years.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Troy Williamson = Brandon Lloyd's role model

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What a lively blog today!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

So what does everyone think about an arrangement like this?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 26, 2008 01:13 PM

Seth,

This is how it is done in Basketball but the difference between Basketball and Football contracts is that the BB contracts are Guaranteed FB contracts are not, only signing bonus is guaranteed so if you wanted that plan to work, all FB contracts would have to be guaranteed.

Plus I do not think the NFLPA would ever go for that, they have alot of power.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Rookie salaries are only an issue in a salary capped universe.

I really don't have an issue with it other than envy.

I do think the salary cap makes the game, more of a game and less of a shopping spree, but I don't begrudge the players who get paid big bucks.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Colts president Polian says NFL draft needs updating

Associated Press

INDIANAPOLIS -- Indianapolis Colts president Bill Polian isn't sure if having a top 10 draft pick would be worth it.

His Colts don't have a selection until late in the second round. He explained Sunday at the NFL Scouting Combine why his team might be better off that way.

Polian said good teams like the Colts are less likely than in the past to trade up for an early pick because of the required financial commitment. Last year's top pick, JaMarcus Russell, missed all of training camp in a contract dispute before getting $29 million in guarantees.

"Trades are a unique thing in the first round anymore because of the cost of the top 10 picks financially," he said. "To take on that cost ... is almost counterintuitive."

Polian said agents have driven up the cost of the early picks, making it more difficult than ever for struggling franchises to improve. He said that cost can hamper teams for years, especially if they make a mistake on a pick or the player gets injured.

"The draft was designed to either allow the weakest teams, based on record, to choose the best players, or if they chose not to take a particular player, to gather a bunch of picks to further accelerate their growth and competitiveness," he said. "That's now been skewed by the cost of the picks in the first round.

"When that's skewed and changed because of the agents, that isn't a good thing for the game."
Polian said the system also makes it difficult for a team drafting early to acquire pieces to put around the high pick. He said making the right pick is possible, but difficult.

"What it can do, if you're fortunate enough to get a Peyton Manning, is it can change your franchise," he said. "It gives you a guy who can lead you to the promised land, can help you be a good team for a long time. If you miss on that pick, economics aside, you still set yourself back."

Polian said he expects the system to change eventually. He said the league could change the pay scale or create a slotting system like the NBA has, creating a fixed rate for draft positions.
But the current system, he feels, needs to be updated so the league can remain balanced.

"Our game is based on competitive balance and the fact that every year, every franchise believes they can win, unlike other sports. You can go from worst to first in a year.

"It's not about money, it's about the integrity of the game on the field."
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

greg(b), Screamin' Jay ... btwn 57-77 kids. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1116345 Spreading seed like a farmer in the springtime.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post should have sent Steinberg to the Combine. It might have been a weird slant on the bazaar atmosphere, but better than no slant at all. Interviews with the slowest runner in each group? Reviews of the best pretzels in Indianapolis? The possibilities are endless.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe JLa gave up the blog for Lent.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The owners are at fault as well, just like in baseball it is the owners who are paying these contracts and the owners who are negotiating with the NFLPA if it is such a problem they need to come together and fix the problem.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 26, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Cornerbacks - 40 yard dash

Branch, Tyvon 4.31
Scandrick, Orlando 4.32
Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique 4.33
Porter, Tracy 4.37
Grant, Michael 4.37
Wheatley, Terrence 4.37
McKelvin, Leodis 4.38
Wilhite, Jonathan 4.38
Jenkins, Mike 4.38

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Cornerbacks - Vertical Jump

Rodgers-Cromartie, Dominique 38.5
Talib, Aqib 38.0
Molden, Antwaun 37.5
Sharpe, Glenn 37.0
Wheatley, Terrence 36.5
Jackson, Chevis 36.0
Walker, Marcus 35.5
Williams, Jack 35.5
Cason, Antoine 35.5

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Everytime I read the title for this blog entry "Cerrato Speaks" it makes me think I should congratulate him for speaking. Kind of like a lap dog that you train to bark when you speak. Good job Cerrato, thanks for speaking, here is a treat....Danny has him trained well.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 26, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead throw Vinny a kibble.
Whoof!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Safeties - Bench Press

Name Reps
Johnson, Tyrell 27
Zbikowski, Tom 24
Campbell, Caleb 24
Barber, Dominique 23
Morgan, DaJuan 21
Parker, D.J. 19
Phillips, Kenny 19

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

a problem i have with the proposed rookie restructuring:

-teams owning the rights of players for 5 years. if the team has the option to void a deal after 1 year, then the player should have the option of truly testing his market value after 1 year. automatically giving the team a 5-year leash on a player without a contract isn't fair to the player, especially since there isn't any other viable market for him to go into if he feels he isn't being treated properly (meaning there's no other league to compete for his services...i don't count the cfl). if the team hasn't contractually obligated their pick to play for them beyond the 1st year, then he should be allowed to take his services to whoever is willing to pay for him after that 1st year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Roll over, Vinny.

That's a good dog.

Now, Beg!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

if the team hasn't contractually obligated their pick to play for them beyond the 1st year, then he should be allowed to take his services to whoever is willing to pay for him after that 1st year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 01:48 PM

Why not just treat them like RFAs at the end of that first year?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Limiting the term of all rookie contracts to one or two-year deals would reduce the payouts to a more reasonable level and allay the risk of top picks.

But then the teams with the top picks may not be able to hold on to the talent the so desperately need.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

*&@%*(#_@&$_^% Loseable Type _(*&@#%^_(@*&^%_@(

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent idea, Redcoat! It's clean, simple, and protects the interests of both parties. The drafting team gets to hold on to a good player or receive compensation (mandatory draft picks, same as now); the player gets a shot at getting market value earlier.

You're obviously in the wrong field. Send a resume to Goodell immediately!

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

We need some jibba jabba!

Favorite bumper stickers:

"Jet noise, the sound of freedom." - seen outside a military airbase.

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Bumper Sticker:

My Border Collie is smarter than your honor student.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, I think you've hit on the crux of the issue.

Something like restricted free agency, as Redcoat suggested, would give the drafting team the option of keeping the kid at market value. Think of it as pushing the pain of that massive paycheck to your promising kid player from the rookie season to, say, the third season. So a bad team that finds itself with a stud draftee would always have a shot at retaining that stud draftee.

The fact of the matter is that each team still has to get its picks right. Missing badly on a first round pick hurts, and it will still hurt under any new system that is rolled out. Because that pick could have been used for [insert name of stud player drafted that year after the player who was a bust].

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Favorite bumper stickers:

"I'd rather be stabbing you in the face"

On the back of a very scruffy pickup that I was stuck behind on an LA freeway for about an hour once! You can bet the guy driving it doesn't get carved up in traffic too often....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Potential Bumper Sticker:

Save hundreds on Geico while waiting for RedskinsInsider to refresh.

Posted by: tafka | February 26, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Favorite bumper stickers:

Visualize Whirled Peas-

Spotted on the back of a hippy mobile, not realizing that it's actually a jab at them and the fact that they're just as likely to put peas in a blender as they are to do anything but complain about world issues.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

So did anyone apply for the job with the Redskins that I posted the link to earlier?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

So did anyone apply for the job with the Redskins that I posted the link to earlier?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 02:27 PM

Don't like the bosses.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 26, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

if the team hasn't contractually obligated their pick to play for them beyond the 1st year, then he should be allowed to take his services to whoever is willing to pay for him after that 1st year.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 01:48 PM

Why not just treat them like RFAs at the end of that first year?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 02:01 PM

I could agree with that. Only the 5-year leash would still be too long in my opinion. Maybe a 3 year deal signed as a rookie, with set, guaranteed money. After the 1st year, the player has the option to sign elsewhere, and the original drafting team has the option to match any offer. If no offer is made, then the player plays out the rest of the existing contract as normal.

Posted by: psps23 | February 26, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

So did anyone apply for the job with the Redskins that I posted the link to earlier?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 02:27 PM

I don't apply for any job that has the word "channels" in the job description

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 26, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Beepity Beepity Beepity

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Bumper Sticker:

Club Soda not Seals

Posted by: sams3 | February 26, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 26, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

While we are talking about working for The Owner I thought I'd ask about the "worst job you ever heard of" :-).

Some years before we met Mrs Redcoat worked in a food plant out near where Dorf is. Although she didn't work out in the plant, her position required her to have a good understanding of the various jobs performed around the plant, one of which was "Tom Milker"

Take a look at this link and scroll down to the bench and read the accompanying text.

http://www.internationalai.com/aicatalog/aicatalog.pdf

Would you want to tell the hot girl you just met that this is what you do for a living?

And from what I understand, it doesn't even pay that well!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 26, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ah, but the fringe benefits, Redcoat...

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