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Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes (Turn and Face the Rooks)

Jim Zorn pointed out today that he will play for the playoffs and do whatever he can to get the team there while they have a mathematical chance. Soon enough (especially without Chris Samuels) it may be time to play for the future, but I can understand where Zorn is coming from.

I'd move that line around a little and see what Chad Rinehart can do in real games rather than wait until OTAs or whatever. Jason Fabini certainly has a ton more experience, and you want to keep Jason Campbell out of a full body cast, but I wouldn't let the Fabini experiment go on too long if it gets ugly. Let's see what the kid can do; this is the Bungles the Redskins are playing Sunday, not the Terrell Suggs Sack Explosion.

I'd like to see Justin Tryon a bit more, too. Let him start returning punts. Or Devin Thomas. Anyone. After watching Antwaan Randle El effectively down himself repeatedly, again, please turn over the reins. We're into year three of this debacle on punt return. Go back to James Thrash if you aren't ready to give the keys to a kid.

Let's take a look at Kareem Moore, as well. Use him in coverage in the Cobra with Shawn Springs and LaRon Landry also at safety. Find a package for him. He seemingly has been buried since he blew that blitz on the Donnie Avery bomb against the Rams, but get a read on him now.

I'm done with Jason Taylor on run downs. I know Rob Jackson is undersized and a speed guy, but they drafted him and kept him all year. He got a few reps last week. Give him a few more. Fred Davis should be up for this week, too, even if Todd Yoder's knee isn't a big deal and he could play. Give Davis a daily quiz to help him learn the offense. There's no sense in waiting any longer on the second-round pick.

It looks like the Redskins are going to have plenty of holes to fill in the offseason and depending on how this draft class comes along, they might have a few decent back-ups.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 8, 2008; 4:00 PM ET
 
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okay people

I'm sorry if this makes yall feel sick


but someone on ExtremeSkins posted this.

thought I would relay it


it's the Dolphin's draft last year :


1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

Posted by: TheTruth11

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

i wish we were playing the iggles this week not the lowly bungles.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Greg - It doesn't have to be Cowher, but I'd rather you admit your mistake now and regroup for next year (that being the WCO should not be in the NFC East).

Also, Mike Tomlin is a 4-3 guy coaching a 3-4 team. So that point is null and void....

Since we first hired him, I reserved judgement until later. Well, later is here and I've seen enough of Zorn to know where I stand (as if that matters)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

A post that I totally agree 100% WITH JLC. Hell they can't be any worse than what we have seen the 5-6 games.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 8, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

truth/rc, what was the dolphins draft prior to this one listed like??

Also, agree 1000% with this post. Time to see what the rooks are capable of....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

4th, i am begining to like blache as the better coach. i never liked him before but when he said "we don't rush the passer. that's who we are." told me alot about the dude.

as far as zorny goes he's going to lose the team. he's not accepting ANY responsibilty for the failures of this team and his god damn scheme. he embarassed us during half time by suggesting to kramer that the problem was that the players couldn't hear eachother. WTF?!?!

guys, you know where i stand (F Vinny!). there was a reason 32 teams have passed on this guy over and over and over and over and over for 20 some years. and it took our house genius to DISCOVER this guy.

what looked like a nut for the blind squirl is tasting more and more like dried up poop.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg, a quick Wiki shows :

1st round : Ted Gin Jr., WR
2nd round : John Beck, QB
2nd round from NE : Samson Satele, C
3rd round : Lorenzo Booker, RB
4th round : Paul Soliai, DT
6th round : Reagan Mauia, FB
6th round from NO : Drew Mormino, C
7th round : Kelvin Smith, LB
7th round from STL : Brandon Fields, P
7th round from NE : Abraham Wright, DE

ugh, looks like our draft last year lol

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:14 PM

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are still very much in the playoff picture and you never start playing for next year while you are still in it. The reason the Skins are in it is because ATL melted down and dal, got beat by Pittsburgh. We're in it because the others guys messed up. We are a game out and our schedule is perhaps the most favorable.

Zorn must play for the playoffs or he would lose this team.

One thing that I thought, and they showed a stat during the game, is how good Portis is in December. I've thought that Portis should have had games off during the season -- that he is good for 12 games a year, not 16. He is an ideal December player. Lets hope he and the line are healthy enough for a run.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I concur Jasno. What we had was not working and while we have a mathematical chance of making the playoffs, right now this team just needs to get better.

This team can win when everyone is healthy (we had very few injuries early in the season), and when no one makes mistakes (oddly, we're making more now then we did earlier).

It makes more sense to see who has go potential and who is just taking up roster space. You need talent and depth.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 8, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

it's the Dolphin's draft last year :


1st round: Jake Long - OT
2nd round: Merling - DE
3rd round: Langford - DT
4th round: Murphy - OT
6th round: Thomas - OG
7th round: Dotson - DE

Posted by: TheTruth11


What would you expect? Have you seen Parcells? Dude certainly knows how to shop for groceries.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

** FF **

Stumped- Something about counting chickens and hatching pops into mind. You're only a 50-yard Antonio Bryant TD reception from basically tying this thing up.

And your bench put up 83 points?! How'd that happen?

** End FF **

Posted by: 4-12 | December 8, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

On the post game show last night B Mitch and the guys were discussing the punt returning situation (Zorn repeatedly says he is sticking with El because he protects the ball). I believe El was a good punt returner when he played for the Steelers but he was not really used as a WR. Now that he is a #2 WR for the Skins he dances around on punt returns in order to escape injury. B Mitch noted the drop off for Devin Hester in Chicago this season now that he is playing the WR position.

Zorn needs to put someone hungry back there and take a chance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - I too like Blatche.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Agree with everything except more of Tryon (at least on defense). That's one position where people don't need their snaps given up. And besides, Hall is still in his "audition" of sorts. I wonder what his numbers are in terms of passes thrown against and passes completed against since joining the Skins? Seems to me like they have to be pretty good.

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I think this group of players have reached their peek. There are only a few salvagable parts to this team. If not for salary cap implecations, I'll cut the following players

Jason Taylor
Shawn Springs
Washington
Casey Rabach
John Jansen
Randy Thomas
Griffin
suisham
Pete Kendall

Sorry Bugel and Vinny also have to go

Posted by: Ejayraptor | December 8, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i want to see more Devin.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 8, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

why is rogers sooooooooooo suceptible (sp) to double moves? they always go after him when they have a double move on. i was so sure that flacco thrww was an interception till i realized that 22 got double moved and LL was on the line.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know who had the missed assignment on that play where Flacco stared down the right then hit the wide open TE on the left?

Was it the FB? Someone was telling me it was DHall the other day (not on here), but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins for some reason, have never been a WCO style of club. Even in the days when Air Coryell was the fad and Joe Gibbs was hired, Gibbs soon learned (after 5 straight losses) that it just did not fit this team. He changed, he adjusted and the myth of the Hogs and smash mouth football arose. Gibbs and Bethard analyzed the competition and realized that you had to beat the Giants to win the division and to do that you had to have a dominant run game. The NFC East when it is an elite division has been a very physical division. Gibbs at his supreme height was a run, run, run, run, long bomb for TD coach. He would have loved the Ravens last drive.

Gibbs 2.0 tried to recreate the past but failed because he did not invest his first draft in the offensive line. The offensive line that he tried to build through free agents, Jansen and Samuels was never as good as what he once had known. Secondly, Portis was a back who was heralded as a the 'score a touchdown on any play' kind of back but that never happened as advertised either. The big bruising, run you over type of back has not shown up in DC for too many years now. Riggins used to get his yards in a huge surge of the line and him. It seemed that he would be stopped but the whole mass of humanity would grind forward, inevitably, making first downs.

So what am I trying to say? Simply that the WCO may work here at some point, but it will take twice as long to implement it as anyone thought. Is it worth it, to change the culture of this team to do that?
The WCO is going to require pass blocking linemen first, and the good surging type of Hog second. Is the WCO a ball control type of offense? Not in this configuration. Will it work against a resurgent Giants and Dallas defense? Not at this rate. How long is long enough to measure whether this WCO will be a success or a failure?

Posted by: driley | December 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

(Zorn repeatedly says he is sticking with El because he protects the ball).

That's what the problem is. Zorn is so worried about a turnover he plays to lose damn games.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

and by "other day" I mean last night

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

1. freakzilla, Ravens can have two kickers on their roster b/c they have a bunch of hybrid guys who are LB/DE or DE/DT or DT/NT. Skins have a depth chart that is a stovepipe at the position. Ravens have a bulletin board of guys called "defense/non-secondary".

#. Redcoat, get your slipper and GET OFF MY LAWN!

T. 4th, you said something and I was going to say something, but I'm in my declining years (aka my "Redcoat Era"), I don't remember what it was.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

and by "FB" I mean "linebacker"

jeeze

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll start with the obvious assumption. The Skins need to win out to make the playoffs. They are a game behind dal, who has tough games to play, and ATL who also has tough games left. I'll assume that both Car and Tampa make it, though one team will have 4 losses after today.

Can the Skins win out? Yes!!! The defense is capable of stopping most teams, including all 3 that we face. Even though our offense looks like a mess, we probably don't need a ton of points. And only Philly has a top defense, though SF is playing better.

We've got a lot of experienced guys who have played ... and won ... these stretch games. While Portis sat out much of last night, I'd hope that the limited action helps him to recover, because he can be a total beast in December. We've all seen that.

In order to win all 3, we will likely need a couple of breaks at key times. And while I won't go so far as to say we will win all 3, I wouldn't be surprised if we did. Not at all.

Win 3, make the playoffs, and see what happens.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

1st round : Ted Ginn Jr., WR
2nd round : John Beck, QB
2nd round from NE : Samson Satele, C
3rd round : Lorenzo Booker, RB
4th round : Paul Soliai, DT
6th round : Reagan Mauia, FB
6th round from NO : Drew Mormino, C
7th round : Kelvin Smith, LB
7th round from STL : Brandon Fields, P
7th round from NE : Abraham Wright, DE

Of whom:

Ginn is now the #1 receiver.
Beck is the #3 QB
Satele is in the running for the Pro Bowl
Booker was traded to the Iggles for a 4th this year
Soliai is still on the Fins squad (but may be a bust)
Mauia was picked up by the Bungles after we cut him this off-season but is now on IR
Mormino was cut after spending all 2007 on IR - a bust
Smith is still on the roster but may be a bust...
Fields played as our punter from day 1 and still is
Wright was waived this off-season - a bust

So, 6/10 still active on Miami's roster. One was traded (which we then traded again to get Shaun Murphy in 2008) and one is still in football but on Cinci's roster.

Not perfect but certainly not a disaster.

And hurrah for Wikipedia!!

Posted by: Redcoat | December 8, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sween - The only thing I have been talking about today is JZ and the WCO......

I said last week I am Anti-Zorn and last night fortified the thought.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

guys stop arguing with Greg, it doesn't impact him, he lives in the wait and see of in the distance future, and in that world he is never wrong and the Skins are always good.

and this makes sense with this owner's history for stability and shrewd moves that always pay off in the long run doesn't it?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

No idea who missed the Heap assignment. I thought he was blocking a LB and came off it as the playfake arose. I don't think it was Hall (although interstingly enough, I do remember a 3rd or 4th & short play where Hall was the sole CB out there shadowing a WR, not Rogers).

Posted by: psps23 | December 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I cant understand why our coach wont instill a sense of urgency

he is pissing me off

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know who had the missed assignment on that play where Flacco stared down the right then hit the wide open TE on the left?

Was it the FB? Someone was telling me it was DHall the other day (not on here), but I'm pretty sure it wasn't.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 8, 2008 4:27 PM
I believe it was Blades who had coverage on Heap.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 8, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

And the Dolphin's first draft with Parcells shows that he has a clue how to turn around a program. Plus you find a sucker to take your over the hill players for draft picks. The Dolphin's picks should have been our blueprint last summer, not fluff that we got.

Posted by: driley | December 8, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

why is rogers sooooooooooo suceptible (sp) to double moves? they always go after him when they have a double move on. i was so sure that flacco thrww was an interception till i realized that 22 got double moved and LL was on the line.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

There is not a corner in the league who wont sometimes fall prey to the double move from a savvy, great route runner like Mason. They were probably setting that up all game. And our secondary gets ZERO help on pass rush. How can anybody cover for that long

Posted by: brownvb | December 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

well said psp, tryon is a way backup for a way long time, but I like the idea of he or hall or anybody taking punt returns away from on his way out of town Randel el. I like El but he is the most highly paid bad punt returner borderline #3 wideout ever.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

zj, whats the matter, you not get your, "See guys, I'm always right" trophy yet....

Guys, in case we didn't know this, we are in the presence of true greatness. zj has the ability to see things LONG after they've happened. And then the ability to claim that he knew this was going to happen the entire time.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

It makes more sense to see who has go potential and who is just taking up roster space. You need talent and depth.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 8, 2008 4:18 PM

I dunno, seems a little early to start the preseason to me ... but if it does happen that way, my new tune will be "Never too early to start the preseason!"

Truth, to my eyes, it looked like D Hall (#23, right?) was the guy responsible for the outside protection and Heap definitely got outside.

Posted by: dcsween | December 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If you want a punt returner who doesn't fumble, I have a suggestion. Put no one back there. Put everyone on the line, cover the eligible guys with man coverage and go after the punter. You'll get burned on occasion with a punt that rolls. You'll also get some poor kicks because the guys rushes it and perhaps some blocks. But no fumbles. Just don;t be roughing the kicker.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: driley | December 8, 2008 4:28 PM

Great post, dude......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 8, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

beep beep...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 8, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Most teams could not do that 2 kicker thing btw. Ravens are doing something rare there, with the non traditional front 7 attack and monster DB, I think that the skins could easily do that themselves.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 8, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

we dont even do a good job of evaluating our own talent.

our o-lineman are built for run blocking and that is it, a pass here and there, typical NFC east football, they dont like to pass block and dont do good when they are asked to do too much pass blocking

Look back at when AL saunders first got here, gibbs had to take the plays back and start running again.

if you want a WC system, then put pass blocking lineman in there, ie heyer

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 8, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Everybody has got to face the facts

Lost to St Louis, record 2-11
Beat Cleveland 14-11, record 4-9
Beat Detroit 25-17 record 0-13 were losing to them almost through 3 quarters. If Moss does return the punt for a TD?
Beat Seattle 20-17, record 2-11

Analysis: It is time to get real. The Skins are not that good. They will be lucky to win one out of the next three. It is great to see such loyal fans, that do not give up, but it time to see who can contribute next year.

Posted by: oldtimer4 | December 8, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

THE REDSKINS HAVE GIVEN US THEIR BEST AND NOW THEY ARE BEATEN DOWN. THEY DESERVE A LOT OF RESPECT AND PLAYED WITH THE FERVOR AND ROADMAP OF A J GIBBS TEAM. MANAGEMENT IS NOT EFFECTIVE WHEN DRAFTING PLAYERS. WE DRAFTED THREE PASS RECEIVERS--NONE OF WHOM CAN CATCH. THEY APPEAR TO BE MENTALLY SLOW BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW THE PLAYS.TWO OF THEM SHOWED OUTRIGHT FEAR WHEN THEY STOPPED AFTER ONE STEP ON A SLANT PATTERN WHICH MAY
HAVE TAKEN HIM INTO R LEWIS. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT SCOUTS ETC EVALUATED HEART.SKILL AND INTELLIGENCE. J TAYLOR IS 'STEALING' OUR MONEY. I HAVE SEEN BETTER PLAY FROM GUYS ON ONE LEG. HE IS STILL DANCING. PLEASE GET OUR MIDDLE LINEBACKER INTO THE PROBOWL. FINALLY I AGREE WITH J MADDEN WHEN HE SAID WE HAVE A GOOD TEAM BUT NOT AN ELITE TEAM DESERVING OF OF PLAYOFF SPOT.PREDICTION ZORN WILL FAIL.HE THINKS THIS IS CHESS--SORRY!

Posted by: kcandlc | December 8, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Playing for the playoffs would mean a switch to Collins.

The line is a trainwreck. You need a guy at qb who can see the field pre-snap and make quick decisions. Sadly, that ain't JC.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | December 8, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Merling and Langford from Dolphins have 3 sacks combined. Jason, Griffin and Carter have 5 sacks for the season with their salary cap of 6.1, 7.5 and 2.8 million.

Posted by: thewayitis | December 8, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

First of all the Skins are not a very good football team, don't be surprised if we only win one out of this last three, we're not a playoff caliber team and do not deserve to be there. Second, give Shawn Springs the fastet ride out of town possible he has only played a handful of games the past 2 seasons and his body cannot take it anymore, same with Marcus Washington, Griffin, and Jansen should retire. How Zorn in his right mind wants to put an injured Jansen on the field when he can't even get the job done healthy just boggles my mind. Either put Erasmus James on the field or get him out of town, same with Fred Davis, there is too much dead weight on this roster. J Taylor has only 1 sack and a few pass knockdowns, not a good return on the $, also get ARE"The Dancer" from back there returning punts he has accomplished nothing back there since coming here. The FO really has their work cut out for them.

Posted by: 72Redskins | December 8, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

+++why is rogers sooooooooooo suceptible (sp) to double moves? they always go after him when they have a double move on. i was so sure that flacco thrww was an interception till i realized that 22 got double moved and LL was on the line.

Posted by: dealer1+++

Can't blame Rogers for that last TD last night. Nine straight power runs set up the double move perfectly. If the defense had been able to stop the run, it would not have been an issue.

Posted by: TheCork | December 8, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I bet in Cincy they are chomping at the bit to play the lowly Redskins. Who of late are joing the lowly Nationals as joke fodder in their respective leagues.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 8, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

it is very simple....dan snyder needs to sell this team to someone with patients
vinny c should leave the country..he and snyder should be ashamed of themselves...they hire these guys to bolster the offense, but have terrible draft choices..we are faced w/ the same problem as saunders was....cant score a damn touchdown
utnil snyder is out this team will never be good
i say we start the petition now
otherwise i will continue to cry every sunday at a team that should be great

Posted by: jj44skins | December 8, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll keep saying this until...until something changes.
The 'core' of the Redskins, the o and d lines, is simply not as physical/aggressive/talented enough against the best teams to compete for a championship. Watching the Ravens overload the line was classic 1980's Joe Gibbs, as was stated earlier. Last year I said we should have gone after Jake Long, and look what he's doing in Miami. In the Skins' heyday when the o and d lines were healthy, they ALWAYS competed for a championship. Bugel has wrung as much out of this group that he can. Greg Blache has pulled out the smoke and mirrors as well, but the good teams expose that weakness (soft defensive ends and non-pass rushing tackles) every time. AGAIN, when it comes to personnel point the fingers at SNYDERRATO.

DeAngelo Hall may be a nice pick-up because he's young and still has an upside. If you're not tough, and fast, and mean along the lines, you'll never compete; Snyderrato must fix this now. I'll also lay the blame at Zorn, but I sense he may change faster than most.

Instead of 'Campbell's been in x number of systems', build your offense around your franchise quarterback. Every team in the NFC east has dbs than can be beat deep; hell, using deep passes to set up the short stuff seems sensible to me.

Snyderrato is in the spotlight, or rather the ugly light; either they scramble like roaches or stand up, take the heat, and get better.

Posted by: pdfordiii | December 8, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The bad news: the Skins won't score more than 10 points on the Bengals.

The good news: that'll be enough.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 8, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins are serious about rebuilding, we all have to accept that it's a 3 year process. Otherwise, let's just pretend the Skins are one player away -- and just like the Giants of last year, they'll magically win a Superbowl.

But if they do want to rebuild, there are only about 20 players on the roster you'd want to keep. Of the 9 starting linemen (both sides of the ball), 9 will change over the next three years. All 9 starters. You can't do that in one year, so the Skins have to plan through the draft and FA (but NOT by trading for a 30 year old who'd rather be dancing) over the next three years. That means discipline. No trading a first rounder for a "great" linebacker. Can't do it. Don't have the luxury. The Skins need volume, and they've already wasted two picks in the 2009 draft.

Given that we're rebuilding, the Skins should entertain trade offers for their "stars". Even Portis. Even Campbell. And use whatever they get to build the lines first. Tough love.

Of course, Danny and Vinny will never do it. Stars sell t-shirts.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | December 8, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

What happend to the Colt talk? Clearly we have a quarterback who isn't smart enough to play the position. He can't work through his progressions, he can't read defenses, he can't make a decision.

Colt Brennan spent 2 years as a pocket passer, while shattering NCAA records. Colt deserves a serious look in this off season. JC is not the answer, but maybe Colt Brennan is.

He had a great preseaosn, and yes i know he was playing against 3rd stringers, but here's the deal. Those guys were playing for a roster spot, and his qb rating in all but one preseason game was out of control. We need to seriously consider Colt as the qb of the future in the offseason, and send Jason packing, because homeboy can't play qb at this level.

Posted by: AlexPKeaton | December 8, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

"Soon enough (especially without Chris Samuels) it may be time to play for the future, but I can understand where Zorn is coming from."

------

That is because your a QUITTER, JLC!!

With all due respect to C. Samuels, he has been crap this season.

3 WINS and we're IN!!!

Posted by: filmchis | December 8, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Well is anyone going to say that maybe throwing a hissy fit about Jim Fassel wasn't such a great idea? This had all the trappings for a Fassel hire, yet apparently Danny and Vinny heard some people (ahem) say otherwise. (FireJimFassel.com?)

If we can't fire Vinny. (Sigh)
We shouldn't waste our breath on Zorn. I think he can coach. But clearly he doesn't have the players. That being said, might Fassel's presence have helped ease the transition? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Either way, the fans did have a say in all this.

Posted by: ColumbiaUSkins | December 9, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I said before the draft in here to draft all lineman and after the draft I called it a disaster. What happened? All the kool-aid drinking fans in here shouted me down!

I told you so!

You can't win with average lines especially when they are old and injury prone with no backups! We have simply worn down bc of the nature of football. It has almost nothing to do with coaching. How would you know? Campbell has about a half second to throw the ball to anyone and all those receiver picks sure panned out as well.

As long as Cerrato picks and/or Danny boy, we will be a middle of the road team!

Drink that kool-aid!

-Rob P

Posted by: rphilli721 | December 9, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

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