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Chief Taylor

Just got off the phone with Chief Pedro Taylor. He sounded overjoyed at what the Redskins have accomplished.

"It's outstanding," he said, speaking in a rapid-fire cadence unlike his normal speech, clearly excited to talk Redskins. "It's awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome! They have a great organization and great coaches and hard-working players and Mr. Snyder has done a great job with everyone there and Coach Gibbs and Coach Williams have rallied the team. I'm very happy for them."

Chief Taylor said he has seen every game since Sean's passing, on the edge of his seat for every play. "I'm a diehard Redskin fan," he said.

I told Chief Taylor about how often the players have reflected on his words to them at Redskins Park after Sean's death, how he urged them to play with Sean's spirit and find a way to get in the playoffs. He deflected all credit away from himself, though the appearance of Chief Taylor and his family here was clearly a seminal moment in this profound season.

"It's all about believing," Chief Taylor said. "It wasn't me, it's the character of the team and the players believing in what they could accomplish. I'm not sure I did anything at all, it just comes down to the character of those guys."

I asked Chief Taylor if he believed the Redskins had another four wins in them. His response evoked what any veteran coach would say in such a situation.

"We just have to take it one play at a time, and one game at a time," he said. "As long as everyone believes they can do and they play hard, that's all you do, and let the chips fall where they may."

Chief Taylor said all and all his family "was holding up pretty well, taking it one day at a time," while still obviously grieving for Sean. They all miss him terribly, but believe his spirit is still impacting lives, both at Redskins Park and around the world. Chief Taylor said prayers and best wishes have come in from all corners. He wanted to give a "shout out and thanks" to everyone who has reached out to the family and said Sean's foundation continues to take donations.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 31, 2007; 4:10 PM ET
 
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Hail to the Chief!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,
I sent you an affirmative, can you confirm?
Not sure my reply made it passed the spaminator.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

On Saturday, I'll be past out on the floor.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Class act, all the way around

Posted by: erthdog | December 31, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, most of us - I know I would - would withdraw from the world, cursing it along the way. I would just be telling the world to go to hell.

For his father to be so happy for the joy of others, the success of others, is amazing.

Simply amazing.

Thanks Jason. You should be as proud of your work covering this tragedy as anything you've ever done.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 31, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Sean's father is amazing. And he resembles Sean sooo much - or vice versa.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't mean this to sound disrespectful in any way -- like you all, I take this situation very much to heart, and I am floored by how gracious Mr. Taylor has been.

But I cannot see the name "Chief Taylor" without envisioning some dude dressed up in a big Indian headdress, rooting on the Skins. You know, like Chief Zee. Sorry, just had to put it out there.

HAIL

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

thank you jasno for the classy way you have covered our beloved Redskins in this tragic, exciting, and crazy season!

Hail to the Redskins!

God bless the Taylor family!

We love you Sean!

Posted by: jonthefisherman | December 31, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

It's all good, Nate - understandable vision, there, given the team name and all.

Posted by: johndinhouston | December 31, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

You know, any of those ridiculous columnists (ahem, Schrutebag) who thought Sean was just a thug with no sense of moral purpose should spend 2 minutes speaking with, reading about or listening to Pedro Taylor. It would immediately remove any doubt that Sean had a great upbringing from a great man.

But that would require giving Sean's life and background more than 1 second of consideration, so I guess I ask too much.

Posted by: jgperras | December 31, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Nothing but respect for Mr. Taylor.

Posted by: jm220 | December 31, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Springs out in the last Playoff game? as I recall we were one dropped Carlos Rodgers INT from a win there.

Chief, 4th floor, Bugues, Grandpa Gibbs...so much strength in adversity. I'm glad I'm behind a team that doesn't stay in a game to set a record. 1 yard rushing erases Joey T's 1 yard punt don't ya think?

Posted by: terry_busch | December 31, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

You can just see where Sean got so much of his ability to deal with the world - from his father.

Posted by: Annie-Jazzy | December 31, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Springs played in the 2005 playoff game against the Seahawks:

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/28851/SEA_Gamebook.pdf

Posted by: PDiddy | December 31, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I thought of Chief Zee at first glance myself. Its all good.

I wouldn't trade all of the lows of this season (except to have Sean alive)for where this team is now. They played with so much heart. I still get emotional watching Sean Taylor tribute montages. I can't imagine its too difficult for his teammates to find inspiration in any memory they have of him.

I believe they said last night (Troy and Joe mind you) that the Redskins have lost 6 of their original 22 starters to injury this season. I have nothing but admiration for the way the team has come together.

Hail to em and bring on Seattle!

Posted by: Dorf | December 31, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh, those three beautiful little words:

"Tickets in hand." :)


Just got a visit from the friendly FedEx man. I feel like what's-her-face in Almost Famous: "It's all happening!"

Yes, that's right, I'm giddy like a boy-crazy groupie, minus everything but the giddy.

(Stumped, in case my e-mail reply hasn't reached you for some reason, the extra ticket belongs to you, sir.)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Winning may not cure everything, but it sure puts things in perspective. I don't know who heard the Dan Patrick show today but Dan Steinberg was sitting in and basically said, "what does it say about your coach if you need a tragedy like the death of your best player to motivate your team. Why couldn't he get them to play like that before?" Part of this may be true, but this is actually a good (not great) team peaking at the right time. Gibbs is the man and should get some credit regardless of the circumstances.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Freakzilla, who are you taking to the game? Mrs. Freakzilla? Your gentleman friend?

Posted by: TheCindy | December 31, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

We talked about Gibbs, Collins, Williams, and players getting credit...What about the FO. This is a better, more deeper team going to Seattle. I think Williams should get credit for going younger on defense, and the FO for signing depth players who are contributing big time (H.B. Blades, Godfrey, Wilson, Caldwell, McCardell, Yoder, etc.) This is not the most talented team, but it finally looks like a team with an identity. We just need a few more pieces.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone!
HTTR!

I need to ask you, "Did any NFL Coach come off as arrogant to you as the Raven's Brian did?
Was it just me?
I always felt like he was so condescending and so arrogant.

Coach Joe comes across so much more humble, so willing to listen, and even took the blame for the Buffalo game before anyone suggested anything.

The irony?
Heard Philip Daniels last night on Fox Sports Interview: he clearly respects and loves Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 31, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

What the F@&K is a "Seahawk" anyway? Is it a pigeon that lives in Washington State?

ESPN has reported that Jim Zorn is #2 on the depth chart

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

TheCindy,

I will be drowning out the Seahags fans with Stumped, dchandl3r & wife, puttinforbird, and if the planets align just right, Nate.

My gentleman friend will be sitting elsewhere with some other friends of his. He's a memorabilia hound and likes to sit near the Skins tunnel. I like to sit up where I can see everything and stay out of the rain.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge, we covered the FO in the previous two threads, I believe. General consensus: FO deserves kudos for this team and all the depth they found, much of it before the season even started.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 31, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know where to get the #21 hat that Gibbs was wearing yesterday?

Posted by: COskins | December 31, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who heard the Dan Patrick show today but Dan Steinberg was sitting in and basically said, "what does it say about your coach if you need a tragedy like the death of your best player to motivate your team. Why couldn't he get them to play like that before?"

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 05:44 PM

That's a pretty callous swipe at a HOF coach. Who the hell is Dan Steinberg anyway. I'm admittedly biased but I think it's more about Gibb's character and ability to help the team navigate through that tough time than merely using it as a motivational tool like some cheap bulletin board material. As has been stated in several posts, articles in the WaPo and elsewhere, most other teams would've quit (i.e. Atlanta) but Gibbs and the Skins persevered and are a now playing like a team to be reckoned with.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | December 31, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Diddy...

I hear you...I was just adding my two cents. No hate here!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Boy, a lot more happy people up on this here blog, now that we're in the playoffs.

Okay, I like the match up against the Seahawks, and yes maybe they've had an easier schedule, and we definitely have momentum, but I gotta say, I think it will be a very tough game.

Turnovers will be the key (hmmm, maybe apple or pear, we'll have to wait and see).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@COskins you have to go on the redskins online store, but when i checked last night they wasnt selling them anymore. I had one, but I gave it away to another skins fan thinking I could just go on the website and oreder another one, but the online store has a lot of Sean Taylor merchandise and all the money goes straight to the foundation. I order a few things from there, the rally towel, They are also selling his Pro Bowl jersey for anybody that may want that.

Go Skins...About springs against seattle in the playoffs...if you remember he was hurt the last time, I just think if we can jump on them early we had a real good chance of beating them. To be honest they are the only team in the NFC that worries me, I honestly believe it we win this game this weekend we just maybe superbowl bound.

Posted by: lil_rj1 | December 31, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan...

Yeah...when I heard this I wanted to jump through the radio. Gibbs has always been strong in December. This is nothing new. What's interesting is not only would most teams would have quit after the death of a teammate, but they didn't after the Buffalo loss which is even more impressive.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks lil_rj1.
The Redskins shop only had the winter hat. Since it's been snowing like crazy here I guess I'll get that one.

Seahawks are pretty good, but if the Cowgirls get TO back, they're a totally different team, and a tough one to beat.

Posted by: COskins | December 31, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

As a Skins fan...and after what I have seen from them, I am not afraid of any team is the NFC. The Skins kicked the door in on this one and did not skate in. The only thing they haven't done, if I'm not mistaken is come from behind.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see the HBO Real Sports people roaming the green lot yesterday? They were filming footage for an episode on drinking at NFL games. Are there any other fools on here (like me) who spoke to these people, and let them film me, while drinking? I'm sure it's doubtful they'll put me on because a) I was screaming for Bryant Gumbel to be fired and b) they got great footage of a fight nearby, but I wouldn't want friends/work people to see something like that... at all.

-Ricky Bobby

Posted by: johnw | December 31, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, RB...you gotta watch out for those journos.

As I'm sure folks are aware, I'm a huge fan of drunkenness. But it's important to maintain decorum. Real men hold their booze well.

Now, it might be my mid-30s, old bones self talking, but the drinking at NFL games is appalling and a big reason why I prefer the miracle of HDTV to actually being present at the stadium.

That said, screaming for Bryant Gumbel to be fired is probably a sign of sobriety.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 31, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Hilarious. I wasn't drunk at the time but they did get footage of me doing a beer bong. Dagger. I also gave a sarcastic (shocker) answer to the question "how many beers to do you drink and how do you get home?". I think my answer was something along the lines of "20, and then I drive myself home", obviously joking since we have a DD.

Again, i'm sure they won't put me on, but it was definitely a stupid thing to do on my part.

P.S. You should have seen this fight in the green lot. Ridiculous.

Posted by: johnw | December 31, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

F Dexter Manley.

I said it and I will never take it back.

I was in my car going to pick up my son when he called into the Riggins radio show. This ignorant MFer had the nerve to essentially say that the team is winning games now with Todd Collins because Jason (and other black QBs) might be more athletic, but lack the necessary ingredients "upstairs" in order to successfully play the position in this league. To support his position, he said that he didn't blame Charlie Casserly, when he was still the GM in Houston, for not drafting Vince Young for that very reason.

I was absolutely flabbergasted and, as an African American person, extremely embarrassed to hear him say something like that -- particularly since he is someone whose mental acumen has never been considered a strong suit.

His comments were insulting and disgusting, but they do get at part of what really annoys me about this TC vs. JC debate some fans are engaging in. There is a nasty undercurrent to some of the criticism of JC that I truly believe is based on race, and the fact that some fans feel the same way he does, but don't have the courage to come out and say it, even cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet. I have not really seen much evidence of that here, but on other sites I have been holding my breath as I wait for some of the posters to say the very thing Dexter did.

I just don't even know what to say. I suppose I'm so disappointed in him because I never thought as someone who has been at the receiving end of the kind of ideas he espoused on the radio that he would promote those same ideas himself. What a loser.

Posted by: JustMe | December 31, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

justme,

yeah, I heard what Dexter had to say and a lot of people are ticked off.

Posted by: johnw | December 31, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Justme, I find it very shocking that Dexter would say that. I understand he was in the locker room yesterday firing everyone up. It was mentioned on Washington Post Live that Dexter was on Riggo's show and that what he said would not be good to repeat on the air.

Plain and simple the reason Collins has played the way he has is because he knows the offense from studying it for 8-10 years! He trusts the WRs to be where they need to be and if they are not, he might not be making plays either. Jason is still learning like any new QB. Not to mention that our WRs were hurt most of the time while Jason was playing and were not even available to practice with him. I understand Keenan McCardell has been speaking with Jason and he admits watching Todd is helping him for the future.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Just me...

I heard that same interview and was equally shocked. The only thing I give him credit for is that he had the guts to say it. I too have heard people use terms like "short bus", "processes slow", "not smart enough" to describe Jason Campbell. More blacks have gotten a chance to play QB but are given a shorter leash and less time to develop. Philly fans want Mc Nabb out! That's insane but I think rooted in racism. We play to win the game and I think Collins is the guy for this run, but Campbell is still developing.

I'm not complaining that blacks don't get opportunities, they are jsut scrutinized more.

Let me give one final example. Did ya'll see the highlights of Brett Favre slapping hands with an OFFICIAL and the official slapped hands back!!! That's inexcusable and unprofesssional! But...it's Brett Favre. Had that been Steve McNair, Vince Young...WHEW!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Hello Just Me,
I was listening and heard the entire conversation.

If you believe as you stated that Dexter's mental acumen is not his strong suit, then why get all upset about his comments.
Dexter was always and still is a quote machine. The media wants quote machines not necessarily those who are intellectuals.

I went on record the very night JC threw the game in Dallas and then the next week when he again threw 2 4th Quarter Int. I was adamant on this forum not bending in my opinion that JC was crushing this team in cruch time for two consecutive weeks.

Be careful. Were my comments motivated by racism? Absolutely not! In fact, the thought never even entered my mind until I just read your comments.

Are there racists? You bet.
But when anyone criticizes a black man, many folks out there resort to playing the race card, rather than consider the evidence.

Racism goes both ways.

We all love JC, wish him a speedy recovery, but yes, we want TC to continue being the starter "this" season and it has absolutely nothing to do with race. We love the Skins and they are winning.
My favorite Redskins of all time were #28, 81. They were men of character and skin color never played into it.

Slow down, be careful, and realize this is not racism.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 31, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, the Brett Favre/Referee handslap was discussed on First Take today. They said that it was an impromptu move by Brett....the ref just happened to have his hand out (not to shake Brett's hand) and that the NFL will come down hard on the ref.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the 411, Freakzilla. I have an inquiring mind.

Posted by: TheCindy | December 31, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Rickyroage,
I agree wholeheartedly that the official should never be slapping hands with any player from any team.

But goodness, why do you say, it would not have been the case for vince Young or Steve McNair?

It is not an issue or race.
The issue is Brett Favre has become a legend.
Come on, let me ask this?
Would the offical have been slapping hands with Casey Raubach? Todd Yoder?
How about John Jansen?

Goodness, people play the race card sometimes [notice I did NOT say "all the time"] when it is so irresponsible.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 31, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, I am off to a New Year's Eve Party.
This is my last post of 2007.
Happy New Year
HTTR!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | December 31, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Say hey, kids! We've got us a big ball game to win in five days, so let's keep the positive love vibrations a-flowin', and table some of this other talk until sometime in February. Yes?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Why have we been starting Jason Campbell if Todd Collins is such a great quarterback?

TC has had some playing experience and has had YEARS to learn the play book. The miracle is that he could shake off all that rust.

I can only guess that they've simplified the play book for Jason based on what he's learned so far. I'm a little surprised that they were so conservative with JC and didn't open things up a bit more for him.

Another factor to consider is that the offensive line has really started to jell,
since we're starting the same guys on consecutive weeks. Most of the time Jason was back there he was running for his life.

In all of this, I'm not worried about Jason Campbell, we know who his is.

If I where Saunders, why not start Campbell in the first half and starting Collins in the second half. Assuming Jason is fully recovered.

How many games would we have won this season if the halftime score were the final score?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the 411, Freakzilla. I have an inquiring mind.

AND you work for a major newspaper. Nicely played!

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Ray...c'mon man? You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person...why is it that the "race card" is only appropriate when it seems cut and dry, but not subtle.

Answer me this question, would a black quarteback even be given a chance to hold the record for touchdowns AND interceptions. Brett Favre throws interceptions like water (he throws touchdowns too). I hear what you are saying, but I think it's a bit naive to think that Brett Favre and Donavan McNabb have the same playing field

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Ray...c'mon man? You seem to be a reasonably intelligent person...why is it that the "race card" is only appropriate when it seems cut and dry, but not subtle.

Answer me this question, would a black quarteback even be given a chance to hold the record for touchdowns AND interceptions. Brett Favre throws interceptions like water (he throws touchdowns too). I hear what you are saying, but I think it's a bit naive to think that Brett Favre and Donavan McNabb have the same playing field

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Ray...

I don't think anyone who asks questions about race or criticizes a black player is necessarily racist. I have been critical of Jason Campbell, but when you start questioning the man's intelligence with no basis, then you start to move into that territory.

But I also think we give people way to much benefit of the doubt. I think some people only concede racism if the "n word" is used or some actuall hate crime.

That's my social commentary for the year...

HTTR ( I now much go move some butts, as I am a DJ) Happy New Year to all and drive sober!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 31, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs said today is his presser that Jason is not ready to even be placed on the active roster so debating whether he will play again this season is a moot point. We will not see Jason again until next season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 31, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year Skins Fans!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year Skins Fans!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't question Soupy's intelligence because he's black, that's just flat out racist, and, frankly, stupid. I'd question his intelligence because he scored a 14 on the Wonderlic test.

Still, I'm not worried about him. Once they open up the offense, and he's had more time to study, he'll be a good NFL QB, maybe a great one.

Posted by: PBL4 | December 31, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Know what TV show I miss? "Dinosaurs"! Remember that one?

"Not the mama! Not the mama!" Gosh, that was great!


Happy New Year, everbuddy! I'm off to tend to party hosting chores.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Dexter Manley played, and he's earned the right to state his opinion on pro football.

Whether you agree with it or not is moot.

btw, I am a hug JC fan, but Vince Young is a joke; he hasn't improved at all since last season - he still can't throw (backup Kerry Collins has better passing skills) and the Titans are in the playoffs because A) They have a stout defense, B) a decent running game, and C) Young does occasionally make a big play with his feet.

Given a choice, I'd rather have Mario Williams.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

That should read, huge* JC fan... I'm typing like Jasno tonight.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 31, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year Skins Fans!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 31, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

So, MrRedskin21, you're saying that given the chance, you WOULDN'T hug JC?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 31, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

PBL4,
So, JC got a 14 on the Wonderlic test? For those who are wondering, 50 is a perfect score on this "intelligence" test. Here are score of some other QB:

Dan Marino - 14
Donovan McNabb - 16
Terry Bradshaw - 15
Jim Kelly - 15
Steve McNair - 15.

Akili Smith - 37
Joey Harrington - 32
Patrick Ramsey - 32 (I still like this guy!)
Kyle Boller - 27
Ryan Leaf - 27
Rick Mirer - 31

Which group would you draft from?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 31, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I grew up in the '70s and '80s and the 1982 team that won the '83 Superbowl has always been my favorite Redskins team that I have always compared every other Redskins team to. This year's team may just be my new favorite. As a fan, I'll never forget this season and this team and the character and guts they displayed. Hail!

Posted by: ebberger | December 31, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm just popping on real quickly before my company gets here.

Jason did score a 14 on his Wonderlic as a junior when I imagine he wasn't expecting to be drafted and took the test without taking it seriously. As a senior, he scored a 28.

Posted by: JustMe | December 31, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, is that true? If so, I wasn't aware of that. I just remember hearing around the time he was drafted that he scored a 14. I'd feel much better if his senior year he scored a 28.

Alan4, it really doesn't make any sense to cherry pick Wonderlic score #s from a random group of QBs. Not only does that not tell us anything, but the numbers were obviously chosen in order to prove a point, so I don't believe that's a particularly unbiased selection.

Additionally, all the lower scores tend towards older QBs while the higher scores tend towards QBs in more recent times. Now THAT'S a trend that I think we should look at. And if JustMe is correct that JC scored a 28, then I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make....

In case anyone is wondering, AFAIK, the only player ever to score a perfect 50 on the Wonderlic was a punter from Harvard.

Posted by: PBL4 | December 31, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

PBL4,
Evidently, it is not uncommon for players with elite agents to score significantly higher the second time around on a Wonderlic test. The theory is that perhaps these agents have given copies of one of the 18 versions of the test to their clients. So JC doubling his score on the second attempt is not necessarily meaningful. (source: http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm )

Yes, I cherrypicked results to make a point. You're more than welcome to cherrypick your own results--or better yet, show a thorough compilation--if you wish to challenge the question I'm raising about the relationship of the Wonderlic test to actual on-the-field performance...

Can you show me any actual correlation between Wonderlic scores and on-the-field performance of QBs?

Posted by: Alan4 | December 31, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

...by the way, if agents are giving copies of the Wonderlic to their clients, that might also explain why recent QBs score higher than the older QBs. The older QBs may not have had that "edge"...

Posted by: Alan4 | December 31, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Little googling on the past 4 drafts:
2007:
1st: Landry
5th: Dallas Sarz
6th: Blades
6th: Jordan Palmer
7th: Tyler Ecker

Landry and Blades contribute. Sarz and Palmer are gone. Ecker is a question/IR.

2006 draft:
2nd: Rock McIntosh
5th: Anthony Montgomery
6th: Reed Doughty
6th: Kedrick Golston
7th: Kili Lefotu
7th: Kevin Simon

Four starters or quality contributors out of six picks.

In 2005, they got Campbell and Rogers with the two firsts. Six picks, other four are gone.

In 2004, Taylor and Cooley. Only had 4 picks.

So, in the last 4 drafts, the Skins have had only 21 picks. Out of that 21, they've gotten 10 starters or quality contributors.

Pretty good. Almost 50%.

Lesson: Hey, stop trading all of our damned picks!

SMG

Posted by: SteveMG | December 31, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Hail to the New Year, Redskins Insider!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 31, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year... this is the only FIRST post that matters in 2008.

Posted by: daggar | January 1, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year!!

Racism BAD
Wilbon BAD
Chief Taylor GOOD
JC Smart/hard working and athletic

IT seems like the family is taking hart from the team, fans ect. I still feel sad when LL makes a play like the Lust for mayham.

Some times Blacks, Jews, women, ect. can be harder on their 'group' then white men. Sad but true.

As for the QB thing I think there are two points. Running QBs black or white take longer to develope because the run first many times. Two black QBs who are like Todd in physical gifts are hard to find in the NFL. Maybe the are not given a chance in college or the NFL.

Posted by: mul | January 1, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Sad to say, but I think we need to ITA Manley's comments because the vibe isn't going in the right direction.

We should save this for after the SuperBowl (wink, wink)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 1, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

O, and Happy New Year!

4th post of the year! 4th!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 1, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Happy New Year!

I love how a good Cowboy thumping can make the world just seem a whole lot brighter!

To win by 21 was just great.

To watch with my whole family was awesome too.

Posted by: mmok | January 1, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the post yet (the style section)? Apparently, the Domino's Oreo Pizza is out and KFC's Double Chocolate Chip Cake is in. This could be good news for PDiddy.

Posted by: sherryz710 | January 1, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Two quick thoughts. First, don; bash Real Sports untill the story airs. They are good journalists who do great work. Second, JC is in his second year as a starting QB, The Todd has had 10 years to study this offense, the play makers are finally healthy and the new offensive line (Fabini, Steph, Kendall)finally jelled. A little bit of good luck and a little bit of expertise. If everyone is healthy to start '08, JC should be crazy good. For now though, The Bandwagon rolls to Seattle!

Posted by: rmfsports | January 1, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the typo. Make that "don't bash."

Posted by: rmfsports | January 1, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to start any problems- but the defense has been so good I'd be curious to hear from a football perspective how it is now compared to when Sean was around. To a casual observer, it seems like it's been much more disciplined and thus everyone is in the spots they're supposed to be in to make the plays. Am I wrong on this?

Posted by: stever2.geo | January 1, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

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