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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 12/28/2010

Chris Cooley says he's embarrassed by drops

By Rick Maese

Redskins tight end Chris Cooley didn't even wait for the question to come up. He opened his weekly appearance on "The LaVar Arrington Show with Chad Dukes" on 106.7 The Fan and immediately addressed the dropped passes from Sunday's win at Jacksonville, saying he "about lost my mind" because of them.

"There was a lot of positive from the game, but I'm going to start with the negative because that's just the way I am," Cooley said Monday evening. "I was really disappointed with my performance in the first half. Obviously, I'm embarrassed by the first drop that I had in the end zone. That's just a shame that I did that. I guess, it happens. I don't have much to say about it. I don't know really why it happened. I watched it again. But I'm embarrassed."

Cooley was referring to the first quarter pass from Grossman that he inexplicably failed to handle. Fred Davis caught a touchdown pass one play later for the Redskins.

"And then it kind of compounded for me because there were a couple of more catches that were catches -- they were tough -- but they were catches that I normally make," Cooley said. "I think the third or fourth time the ball hit my hands that I didn't catch it, I mean, I about lost my mind. It blew my mind. That just never happened to me in my career. It's like a bad hitting slump."

The NFL doesn't track dropped balls and it's obviously a difficult stat to track. Stats, Inc. does attempt to track dropped passes, and according to their numbers Santana Moss leads the Redskins with six. They credit Cooley with four, which seems like a dubious figure considering that he seemed to have at least three on Sunday alone.

Cooley said he'd never had a game like that but says the drops are easy to shake off.

"Everybody comes up and they talk about, 'Keep your head in it.' That's not an issue for me," he said during the radio appearance. "I don't drop a couple of balls and go in the tank. I kept playing, I made a couple of catches in the second half. But that's the negative for me. It wasn't that I wasn't running good routes. I was running good routes, I was getting open, I was doing a lot of things right. I just had a couple of drops."

Cooley finished the game with 48 yards on five catches. His 72 receptions on the season are the second-most of his career, 11 shy of his career high. He also enters next Sunday's season finale with 796 receiving yards, also the second-most of his seven-year career. He needs 54 yards against the Giants to set a new career high.

Related: In the Redskins Tailgate Zone, join the debate over whether the Redskins should trade Chris Cooley and let Fred Davis start.

By Rick Maese  | December 28, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Rex Grossman  | Tags:  Chris Cooley  
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Lmao! I'd be embarrassed about the TD drop too. I jumped out of my chair when the ball was in the air because he was so open!! He did redeemed himself with some key blocks and nearly trucked two defenders into the end zone in the second half. I'm not giving up on Cooley just yet.

Posted by: skins91r | December 28, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

What we've learned, 12-27-10

By: John Keim


1. It's easy to see why Vonnie Holliday has lasted so long in the NFL » Though he's best suited for a backup role at this stage of his career, just to keep fresh over 16 games if nothing else, he can still play. Holliday is adept at setting up blitzes for teammates the way he slants his rush and occupies blockers. But Sunday, he also excelled at staying low on almost every snap he played and using leverage to shuck blockers and make tackles. It happened several times, and his ability to win one-on-one battles made a huge difference at right end.

2. Redskins players are more interested in winning than draft position » Yes, winning drops them lower in the draft, but picking high doesn't guarantee success. Otherwise, the Browns and Lions would be perennial Super Bowl contenders. The key isn't drafting high; it's drafting smart. Just look at the New England Patriots. There's no doubt the Redskins could use a high pick, but they also needed wins. Had they gone from four wins under Jim Zorn to five under Mike Shanahan, it would have led to serious questions.

3. The offensive scheme really does work » It's amazing how many times receivers such as Santana Moss and tight end Chris Cooley get open, especially compared to the previous couple seasons. For Moss, it helps that they put him in the slot and move him around, giving him a chance to use his quickness and route-running ability to get open. But the design of the plays helps, too. On Moss' 38-yarder, there was confusion in the secondary partly because Anthony Armstrong's presence occupied the safety, allowing Moss to get free.

4. The 3-4 is a good defense when the line plays as it did Sunday » Heck, any defense would be good in that situation. The line excelled at creating traffic in the middle, by getting penetration or occupying blockers, enabling the inside linebackers often to run clean to the ball. And the outside linebackers were able to pinch any holes on the edge. It was a good example of team defense. Yes, it would have made a difference had Maurice Jones-Drew played, but there weren't many holes available for anyone.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/redskins-confidential/2010/12/what-weve-learned-12-27-10#ixzz19OxlzvdB

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

I'ma need some folks up here to read #2 of the Keim article VERY carefully...tanking games for the sake of draft status is the stuff of losers...PERENNIAL losers at that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I'ma need some folks up here to read #2 of the Keim article VERY carefully...tanking games for the sake of draft status is the stuff of losers...PERENNIAL losers at that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:25 AM |

You don't have to convince me anyone suggesting we lose games for draft position is a f-cking loser.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

True talk, Flound...I'll never understand how anyone can honestly think that's the way to go and yet be able to look themselves in the mirror without seeing abject failure staring right back at them...

I just got really scared for the offseason when I read that Moseley article on ESPN.com...he sort of half-jokingly referenced the possibility of the Skins trading for Michael Vick. I'm about 60% certain my head would explode if we were to do something so blatantly reckless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I just got really scared for the offseason when I read that Moseley article on ESPN.com...he sort of half-jokingly referenced the possibility of the Skins trading for Michael Vick. I'm about 60% certain my head would explode if we were to do something so blatantly reckless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:39 AM |

Thats not going to happen, I think they came in and thought we had more talent then we did. Hence the terrible trade for Mcnabb I believe they will start from scratch now and build this the right way. It sucks that it will take another year but them's the breaks.

We are far better off in the management of the team, and I know the coaching is 100 times better. It was always going to take time but I think they are headed in the right direction. If they trade for Vick I will have major problems.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

from Matt Mosley, ESPN

If you can beat the Giants at FedEx and finish 7-9, you can carry a little momentum into the offseason.

You're preaching to the choir, sir.

Ending the year on a high note by beating a hated divisional foe is at the top of this week's list.

The Giants come to town like a pack of sorry dogs after letdowns against the Eagles and Packers, and we should put them out of their misery.

They won't take us seriously and should take it to them like serious killahs.

Pair Orakpo and RobJax at outside linebacker and let them hit Eli early and often, and maybe the game is ours.

Feed the ball to Torain and let Rex pull together an ugly smashmouth final home game win.

Big Blue got that sinking feeling and we feel we should sink all their hopes for the playoffs.

The redskins should treat Sunday's game like it was a playoff game and lay everything on the line.

We just haven't beaten the Giants in some time and we are about due for a win against Big Blue.

Would knocking the jints out of the playoff race and finishing 7-9 make up for all the nonsense we've endured this season?

Yes!

F draft slotting!!

We want a win!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

We are far better off in the management of the team,...


Amen.

This is why the upcoming offseason will be so interesting to watch.

We have a serious head coach and name talent guy who've both had time to evaluate the entire roster.

A lot of guys are about to become ex-redskins, no doubt.

But it's the guys they add the second go 'round--in FA and the draft--that'll intrigue and show what long term vision they have for the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Flound...some of this mess is of Shanahan's making, but he was in a rough spot to begin with because of years of mismanagement. It's gonna take at least two REALLY good drafts to accelerate the process, so I'm anxious to see what the 2011 offseason looks like.

I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better about the offseason if we can knock the Ginas outta the playoffs with a win on Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure we'll all feel a lot better about the offseason if we can knock the Ginas outta the playoffs with a win on Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:54 AM |

Amen!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Would knocking the jints out of the playoff race and finishing 7-9 make up for all the nonsense we've endured this season?

Yes!

F draft slotting!!

We want a win!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 7:46 AM


Amen...preach preacha!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Thats not going to happen, I think they came in and thought we had more talent then we did. Hence the terrible trade for Mcnabb I believe they will start from scratch now and build this the right way. It sucks that it will take another year but them's the breaks.

We are far better off in the management of the team, and I know the coaching is 100 times better. It was always going to take time but I think they are headed in the right direction. If they trade for Vick I will have major problems.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse
Cosign, Flounder. I think Shanny wants someone like Ryan, Flacco or Bradford, not MV. He took a chance on DMac. And he might have stayed with #5 if Sexy hadn't performed reasonably well. But when you compare what Sexy would cost to resign, vs. $16 mill for DMac, and then compare the results of the two, it's hard to justify keeping #5. So MS will scour the QB's available in the draft to see if he can live with any of them. I don't see him moving up higher in rd #1. We have too many other needs right now. I think he will use either our 1 or 2 pick to get someone he can groom.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 28, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I think we have to use FA this year to fill a lot of holes, I know a lot of fans think FA's is the devil around here but when used correctly it is a great tool. Instead of signing one superstar to a 40mil guarantee you sign 8-10 good players that fit your system for the same money.

The QB situation has to be figured out, I think we can find a good QB in the second round. The first pick should be used on the best linemen or a rush OLB, it wont be a top 10 pick so I think O-linemen is a good choice as well.

Not sure if there is any QB in FA's worth getting for the long haul, so sign Rex you already have Beck and draft a QB in the second round. Let Beck and rex fight it out for the starting job and let the kid take over when ready.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Cooley said Monday evening, "I was really disappointed with my performance in the first half."


Nice, measured, adult response: the guy is a professional.

Guys like him who are fan favs and solid NFL citizens are hard to come by.

So why do folks want to trade Chris Cooley while, at the same time, aping about the immaturity of other players on the roster and the league itself?

Yeah, I know, CC isn't in the class of, say, Antonio Gates or Jason Witten.

He is a solid blocking tight end who's excelled as the 'checkdown guy' for the middlin' quarterbacks we've had play for us.

(You do wonder, though, what would CC's career numbers be if he played in a better offense.)

Chris Cooley is of more value on the field and in the locker room as the team transitions than any rookie we'd have to draft to replace him.

Not everything a guy like CC does for a team can be measured by stats and ESPN highlights.

Too, maybe Cooley and Davis are used more in tandem once the offensive line's protection improves, and they don't have to help out so much.

In any event, need to keep Cooley.

The silly chatta about moving him is what we need to trade.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I think we have to use FA this year to fill a lot of holes, I know a lot of fans think FA's is the devil around here but when used correctly it is a great tool. Instead of signing one superstar to a 40mil guarantee you sign 8-10 good players that fit your system for the same money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 8:09 AM


Exactly...people thought I was f-ing nuts when I was up here saying we'd regret signing AH to that $100 million contract when we could have had guys like Rocky Bernard, Chris Canty, and Jason Brown to fill 3 holes for the same money. How bad would we rather see Brown in at center instead of Rabach right about now?

FA is like guns...the tool itself isn't what's bad, it's the misuse of them that'll kill ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

moe,

Knocking out the Ginas might have another consequence, that might make them fire Coughlin and hire another coach. We might see Cowher in the NFC East.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz

I think Shanny wants someone like Ryan, Flacco or Bradford,...


I agree.

But select the guy who, your mind, satisfies that desire:

Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Christian Ponder
Jake Locker
Dennis Dixon
Matt Flynn
Rick Stanzi
Ryan Mallett
Carson Palmer
Kellen Moore


I tossed NFL vets in with the draftees to highlight just how tough finding a new starter will be.

Me?: I'm sold on Ryan Mallett or Matt Flynn.

We won't get Luck.

Locker is the guy who'll impress Mike Shanahan.

Ponder is very good, too, and is worth a second rounder IMO.

Newton and Moore should stay in school.

And I'd rather take Flynn (Dixon is a project by comparison) as I won't have to burn the draft pick.

Palmer might wind up where ever McNabb doesn't go (Minn. might be the best fit).

But finding the next new starter will be tough--and that's why the upcoming offseason will be so intriguing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who heads over to the Redskins Tailgate Zone, to join the debate over whether the Redskins should trade Chris Cooley and let Fred Davis start...is a NERD!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 28, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Knocking out the Ginas might have another consequence, that might make them fire Coughlin and hire another coach. We might see Cowher in the NFC East.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 8:17 AM


I'll wait for the part where that's a bad thing...

I like Cowher, but his success in Pittsburgh was largely the by-product of working for a patient organization. How many owners do you know would have put up with all the AFC title losses at home? Or that 6-10 season in '03? It took that dude 14 years to win a SB...an organization with that kind of history didn't have to wait around, and I doubt anyone else would have.

He's a good coach...I just don't think he's a guy that can swoop in and save an underachieving outfit like the Ginas because for a lot of his tenure in Pittsburgh, his squads were in the same boat.

Moe...great stuff on Cooley. 100% agree.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

not sure what happened to my pants, but since thanksgiving every single one of them seems to have shrunk...weird...

CC needs to step his game up...been a season long series of drops...

Hope ya'll had a great Christmas...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 28, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

lol @ deez for retitling this post a "cooley concussed"...

and nate, your reasons for rooting for vick are much nobler than mine. i'm rooting for him to pi$$ off misinformers (vick bludgeoning dogs...) and all of a sudden PETA lovers.

and now that obama has spoken it's going to be even more sweet to watch the faces of suddenly-PETA-lovers when vick wins the superbowl and beats brady(who is my boy and the best QB ever to play the game but like schilling he also caters to the red party.) all in all it's going to be the best superbowl ever.

and i'm also hoping that the mad genius bellichoke creates a blueprint to stop vick and DJ that the skins can follow next season. and wouldn't it be nice also to get lucky in the draft and get the next bradford?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

F draft slotting!!

We want a win!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 7:46 AM


Amen...preach preacha!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Cosign 100%. Let's lick them ginas!

I'm not familiar enough with college QB's to pick. I'm sure they don't want Carson Palmer, can't imagine they want MV.

I think MS wants a tall strong-armed qb with some mobility, who can be trained to read defenses(needs to be smart), move around in the pocket, and throw accurately. MS believes in the scheme, and wants domeone who can perform in his scheme.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 28, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

beantown

CC needs to step his game up...been a season long series of drops...


I'd suggest that perhaps the Shanahans reverse the roles played by Davis/Cooley.

Let Cooley block more and use Davis as the 'checkdown' guy, especially this week.

Cooley is the better blocker, and maybe the Shanahans should showcase Davis more to assess his value moving forward.

Just a thought.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys read my report on Cam Newton. I really think Shanny will fall in love with this guy. I think people look at his huge success and try to say he will be a bust. But if you watch him throw, he is highly underrated. He has one of the better deep throw passes in collegiate football.

We always say the Skins need playmakers, and there is no doubt Cam is one.

www.roccoskins.com

Posted by: roccoskins | December 28, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Haha, Greg...welcome back, dude. Yeah, I've had the same problem with my pants...I've made the switch to sweats, so problem solved.

NOBODY is more pissed at CC for that drop than I am...everybody was saying he was a must-start fantasy TE, so I put him in my flex spot and benched Danny Woodhead. That move, plus the epic disaster that was Ryan Fitzpatrick effectively ended my season and ensured that my bench handily outscored my starters. Not a good year for football...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

think about it...let's say mcnaab was simply benched without the soap opera...

to move up a couple of slots this should've been enough:

mc5+2011 first. especially to silly orgs like the vikes...

or minus the haynesworth debacle:

i mean this looks really good:
mcnaab+haynesworth+1st=move up 3/4 slots to take a worthwhile QB.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

i mean this looks really good:
mcnaab+haynesworth+1st=move up 3/4 slots to take a worthwhile QB.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2010 8:45 AM


Looks like somebody's playing Madden in real life again...

Good idea with switching the TEs, Moe...hopefully Shanahan has the same idea.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Is Chris Cooley good for the locker room? I guess that why we been promenading in the basement of the NFC East since he was drafted.


Trade him.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 28, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm not familiar enough with college QB's to pick.

There are about 6 solid college quarterbacks we know about, meaning there are a couple of more kids we don't know about.

Point is, there are some nice choices for quarterback in the draft.

And if you have a good standard--multiple year starter, pro-style offense, elite arm, mobility, accuracy--you can get a starter.

Thing is, how do you know if a guy you get to start will be a star?

That's the tricky part.

Me?: I say the skins are due for success at the q-back position and we'll draft the right guy or move to add a groomed under 27 vet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Is Chris Cooley good for the locker room? I guess that why we been promenading in the basement of the NFC East since he was drafted.


Trade him.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | December 28, 2010 8:52 AM

Right. That's exactly why the Redskins have been losing, it's ALL Cooley. Just like Ken Harvey before him and Sonny Jurgensen before him. I hear Lions fans are just coming around to the idea that Barry Sanders is why they sucked in the 90s.

Idiot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

There are a few young QBs that will be out in FA.

I am guaranteeing you that if Chris Simms is available he will be here.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 28, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Idiot...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:02 AM

Haha...Happy Holidays!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 28, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

dmlopez1

guess that why we been promenading in the basement of the NFC East since he (CC) was drafted.

Well, if you see failure in Cooley, how do you think NFL GMs won't?

And if they see failure in him like you do, what trade value does he have when weighed against what you take from the overall team?

And what drafted rookie do you replace him with as we'll need another tight end, btw?

You guys overvalue Cooley's market value as you don't get that he's of more value to us than if he's out on the market.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I am guaranteeing you that if Chris Simms is available he will be here.


Posted by: alex35332 | December 28, 2010 9:02 AM

Seems to me that if KS really wanted his butt buddy here, he would have made that move last offseason when he was available.

Plus, Rex Grossman is already here...can't have BOTH your hoes in the same place!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I think Colley should be traded...not because he is bad, but because he has value and the best teams trade players when they have value before they begin to decline. Cooley is not much better than Davis.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 28, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

The amount we'd gain by losing one more game is minimal.

Plus - it's IN DIVISION. Let's go kick some Gina butt! huhu ... 'ginabutt.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 28, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Rex Grossman is already here...can't have BOTH your hoes in the same place!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:15 AM |

Ain't the truth I keep one of mine at home and have the other stached in my cube at work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 28, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

...can't have BOTH your hoes in the same place!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:15 AM

If they're into it you can!

Posted by: PlayAction | December 28, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you're trying to apply common sense with an idiot...that's about as one way a conversation as breaking down the theory of relativity with your own nutsack...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

PA, that only lasts so long and there's hell to pay, afterwards.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 28, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

6-10 right about where I said they'd be at the end of the season. 7-9 would great, but there was improvement this season.

Great to see my man LO-A come into his own this season.ROB JACKSON was bringing it Sunday. There's a keeper. The defense looked pretty good overall. Of course the d-backs weren't seriously tested, that's why we won. BARNES was good once in his career at least. Anybody still missing SEAN TAYLOR? What a crying shame. Our d-backs haven't been the same since.

On offense, HEYER was the same old,same old. Man we need another high OT pick. And I sure hope MIKE WILLIAMS' career isn't over, and WIL OLDENBURG can finally show us some inspired 0-line play.

Looks like RYAN TORAIN will now supplant CLINTON PORTIS. KEILAND WILLIAMS not so much. CRIS COOLEY may be past his peak as a player, but I don't think DAVIS is in the same league, and may never be. Worst hands I ever saw on a REDSKIN TE.

Pretty obvious, SHANAHAN wants a QB in this upcoming draft. I don't think that will happen. The GROSS-man will probably be the starter next year.......if there is a next year at any rate. I really doubt it myself.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 28, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

brown

you're trying to apply common sense with an idiot

Well, to be honest, who knows what'll happen.

Dude might not necessarily be an idiot the way Shanny has been operatin'.

We might see some guy get traded that we didn't think would.

I mean, dudes like LL and CC do have value on the trade market that Shanny might choose to pursue in order to stash picks.

(Think about it: LL is indeed worth a number 1 and not trading him might be like turning down free coochie.)

I hope not, though.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I think Colley should be traded...not because he is bad, but because he has value and the best teams trade players when they have value before they begin to decline.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 28, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse


Where you err, my friend, is in assuming that we are one of those "best teams" that knows when to trade players.

We have a collection of previously tradeable players that we will end up releasing, or they will just walk from the team.

Andre Carter, Haynesworth, perhaps McNabb, Carlos Rogers, Rocky MacIntosh.

Posted by: p1funk | December 28, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

p1, CRogers just had a pick, so his value is SKY HIGH!!!!

hahaha...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 28, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

NOBODY is more pissed at CC for that drop than I am...everybody was saying he was a must-start fantasy TE, so I put him in my flex spot and benched Danny Woodhead. That move, plus the epic disaster that was Ryan Fitzpatrick effectively ended my season and ensured that my bench handily outscored my starters. Not a good year for football...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse
________

Funny, the team my son and I have (just a little free league - I'm not a big fantasy guy but he wanted to learn how it works) has made it all the to the championship round for a 20 team league with Fitpatrick and Cooley, and then they both have their worst fantasy games of the year this weekend. Thanks.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | December 28, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Losing is the dark cloud. Draft position is the silver lining. No one wants more dark cloud just because they like the silver lining. Okay, maybe the Washington Nationals.

Would be great to finish the season with a win over the Ginas and with a lot of positive momentum going into the off season. It would sure help in attracting free agents, and free agents will be more important this year than draft picks.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 28, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

But select the guy who, your mind, satisfies that desire:

Cam Newton
Andrew Luck
Christian Ponder
Jake Locker
Dennis Dixon
Matt Flynn
Rick Stanzi
Ryan Mallett
Carson Palmer
Kellen Moore


I tossed NFL vets in with the draftees to highlight just how tough finding a new starter will be.

Me?: I'm sold on Ryan Mallett or Matt Flynn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 8:21 AM

Let me add another QB to that list. A QB that you can watch tonight.


Blaine Gabbert, Missouri

Gabbert has excellent size and mobility. In fact, Gabbert is deceptively quick and fast and shows very good pocket presence. He can make the tough and accurate throws on the run, showing good field vision and poise. Gabbert shows a very good arm and he throws a great long ball. He also shows the ability to throw the deep out. Gabbert can also throw with touch. He is accurate and smart.

http://alabama.scout.com/a.z?s=14&p=8&c=1&nid=2775826

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 28, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

i'm not a believer in robjax, yet... practice squad to nfl starter is a huge jump... consistancy is key!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 28, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think Colley should be traded...not because he is bad, but because he has value and the best teams trade players when they have value before they begin to decline.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 28, 2010 9:17 AM

If you're serious about this you would be asking us to trade Orakpo or Landry, not Cooley. Orakpo has value. Cooley has his blog.

beep-beep's law: The only ones you can trade for value are the ones you don't want to trade. It's accurate about 85% of the time.

Posted by: beep-beep | December 28, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Rex Grossman is already here...can't have BOTH your hoes in the same place!

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 9:15 AM |

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Sure you can, remember Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerffel?

Posted by: TreezieFoSheezie | December 28, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

We have a collection of previously tradeable players that we will end up releasing, or they will just walk from the team: Andre Carter, Haynesworth, perhaps McNabb, Carlos Rogers, Rocky MacIntosh.

So true.

And not moving Andre Carter and AH prior to last year's draft stands as one of the two dumb moves not made by the FO.

Carter was coming off an 11 sack season, had value despite his age, and where he does have a no-trade clause (who does that in football?), I'm sure something could've been worked out to render a pick(s).

4-3 edge rushers always have value.

4-3 edge rushers with a history of not being good 3-4 outside linebackers at age 31 have no value.

The idea to change the very professional and committed Carter into what he proved in San Fran that he couldn't do was a major F up by Haslett & Company.

AH signalling he didn't want to play nose tackle should've been enough for the FO to get him gone--but oddly, he wasn't, despite signalling his intentions to anyone who wasn't blind or tone deaf.

The history of AH's lack of professionalism was enough by itself to have him gone.

But Shanny felt the team had to hold on to him like he was some kind of trump card that proved to be a joker.

Thing is, in both respects, the team--and fanbase--is what got played.

And AH and Carter will soon be ex-redskins like so many other FAs who've come.

And now are gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I mean, dudes like LL and CC do have value on the trade market that Shanny might choose to pursue in order to stash picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 9:43 AM


Again...Cooley doesn't have the kind of value folks up here think he does, so you're better off keeping him. Even discussing this is assinine.

As for Landry, the point of giving up picks for players is to give away an asset you don't necessarily need in exchange for a pick you do need. Take Landry away from the defense, and you've got...what we've seen the last month. Again...you're better off keeping him than getting a pick for a player that may or may not be as good.

Trade for picks to fill holes...not create more. It's really that simple...

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 28, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson Beeps

Posted by: kerzon417 | December 28, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I have no porblem keeping either Po or Angela Landsbury... but I do see the wisdom to trading them.

Po more than Landry, tho. Landry seemed to fit the scheme better.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 28, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Palmer might wind up where ever McNabb doesn't go (Minn. might be the best fit).

But finding the next new starter will be tough--and that's why the upcoming offseason will be so intriguing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2010 8:21 AM


Agreed, I only see Palmer doing well where there is a top notch Oline, he can throw a great ball.

I know this sounds crazy, but what about a project like Tyrod Taylor, runs almost as well as Vick, throws a lot better than Vick...quiet good kid?

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 28, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

True talk, Flound...I'll never understand how anyone can honestly think that's the way to go and yet be able to look themselves in the mirror without seeing abject failure staring right back at them...

I just got really scared for the offseason when I read that Moseley article on ESPN.com...he sort of half-jokingly referenced the possibility of the Skins trading for Michael Vick. I'm about 60% certain my head would explode if we were to do something so blatantly reckless...

Posted by: brownwood26

First off the only losers are the fans that actually believe they are part of the team and have a say in the outcome of the game. There is nothing wrong with wanting the team to lose a few more games to get a higher draft pick. There is also nothing wrong with wanting the team to trade a few valuable pieces and committing to rebuilding.

The win now plan that was put into place in the off season worked out well. Where are all of the fans who were excited about the off season acquisitions and predicting the playoffs?

If players or coaches are blowing games because of draft picks then there is a problem. But fans are not playing the game.

Drafting smart is defnitely key to being successful. That being said the work that NWE does in the draft is overrated. Their drafts look a lot better because they have a stud QB. Same with Colts. Steelers and Baltimore do better in the draft. They building winning teams without having a Manning or Brady. They make most wr/te and Oline selections look great. The difference between 4 and 5 slots is a big deal. Ask St. Louis if they are glad they ended up with the first overall pick. What if they would have ended up 2nd and Tampa or Det were first. They may have traded the first pick to the Redskins who wanted Bradford. How different things would be for both franchises.

Vick will be a free agent after the season. I would expect the Eagles to sign him to a long term contract or franchise him. Close to zero percent chance he is in DC. If you think your head would explode imagine the Shannys'heads.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 28, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

You trade guys that only have about 2-4 good years left in them. The Redskins are not winning anything in the next 3 years. You don't hold onto a Cooley to have him be a solid player on a good team and then be on the decline when the team is finally good.

I don't trade Landry. Dude is only 26 and just finally starting to get it. He is someone you keep around.

Drafint a QB is a very tough thing to do. So many of them flame out. They need to have all of the physical traits and on top of it they need to have the mental aspect. The mental aspect is so hard to predict.

Luck looks like the best in this class. He plays in a pro style offense and is learning from a great coach in Harbaugh. A guy who knows what it takes to QB in the NFL. Newton and Locker have huge upside but scare the daylights out of me. Mallet may have a million dollar arm and ten cent brain. Also worry about his accuracy.

The thing with QBs is that they have to continue to progress year to year. You often see QBs start out well and then regress when DCs figure them out. Also do well when the team is losing but crumple under pressure when the team starts winning.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 28, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins wind up selecting at the 14th or 15th draft slot, I expect Shanny to trade the 1st round pick for Carson Palmer or Matt Hasselback. Shanny doesnt have enough time to fool around with developing a rookie QB.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Trading Cooley would downgrade us a bit at TE (I believe Davis is a starting quality TE, but I think Cooley is in the top 6 in the league). Moving him could be a significant loss in the locker room, but we're not in the locker room to know. All we know about the locker room today is that we aren't winning with the people in it.

Fred Davis showed us last year that he can play football as a starter if given the opportunity to get into a rhythm - I really don't think that's a concern.

It's bad timing to talk about trading Chris Cooley right after he has an uncharacteristically bad half (not even a full bad game) with a glaring TD drop... the truth is, with two quality TEs and a need to rebuild, we should have been talking about trading the older one all along. Sometimes it takes one glaring mistake to get people thinking, though.

So - where else do we have depth that we could deal?

Fletcher and McIntosh are both quality MLBs, but we need two in the 3-4, and with Fletcher's retirement looming, we're more realistically looking at Rocky & H.B. Blades in coming years... I love the guy, but if we're not looking at a Super Bowl run next year (we're not), we may want to get something for London Fletcher.

By retaining the rights to McNabb, we can trade him as well - I don't think we'll get the 2 & 4 we gave up for him, but I don't think Shanahan's "Hold out for the compensation we want" plan will work any better with McNabb than it did with Albert Haynesworth.

Orakpo and Landry's names keep coming up, but those are young players we need to build around. If we trade one of them away, it needs to be for another young stud, a la the Bailey for Portis deal, which made sense at the time, but we probably shouldn't have done in retrospect.

Santana Moss may still have trade value - we have found some depth at receiver in Anthony Armstrong... Banks is small, but warrants defensive attention. The Shanahans saw something in Malcolm Kelly that they didn't see in Devin Thomas, so we may have something there.

It's true that moving Moss would reduce the quality of our receiving corps - but what good are receivers if you haven't got a QB?

The one thing nobody is talking about in all of this is the fact that we're unlikely to see football next year. I'm sure this is something the front office is bearing in mind as they mull through all their personnel decisions.

Posted by: KellyInBC | December 28, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Trading Cooley would downgrade us a bit at TE (I believe Davis is a starting quality TE, but I think Cooley is in the top 6 in the league). Moving him could be a significant loss in the locker room, but we're not in the locker room to know. All we know about the locker room today is that we aren't winning with the people in it.

Fred Davis showed us last year that he can play football as a starter if given the opportunity to get into a rhythm - I really don't think that's a concern.

It's bad timing to talk about trading Chris Cooley right after he has an uncharacteristically bad half (not even a full bad game) with a glaring TD drop... the truth is, with two quality TEs and a need to rebuild, we should have been talking about trading the older one all along. Sometimes it takes one glaring mistake to get people thinking, though.

So - where else do we have depth that we could deal?

Fletcher and McIntosh are both quality MLBs, but we need two in the 3-4, and with Fletcher's retirement looming, we're more realistically looking at Rocky & H.B. Blades in coming years... I love the guy, but if we're not looking at a Super Bowl run next year (we're not), we may want to get something for London Fletcher.

By retaining the rights to McNabb, we can trade him as well - I don't think we'll get the 2 & 4 we gave up for him, but I don't think Shanahan's "Hold out for the compensation we want" plan will work any better with McNabb than it did with Albert Haynesworth.

Orakpo and Landry's names keep coming up, but those are young players we need to build around. If we trade one of them away, it needs to be for another young stud, a la the Bailey for Portis deal, which made sense at the time, but we probably shouldn't have done in retrospect.

Santana Moss may still have trade value - we have found some depth at receiver in Anthony Armstrong... Banks is small, but warrants defensive attention. The Shanahans saw something in Malcolm Kelly that they didn't see in Devin Thomas, so we may have something there.

It's true that moving Moss would reduce the quality of our receiving corps - but what good are receivers if you haven't got a QB?

The one thing nobody is talking about in all of this is the fact that we're unlikely to see football next year. I'm sure this is something the front office is bearing in mind as they mull through all their personnel decisions.

Posted by: KellyInBC | December 28, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is solid. We can't trade him. He hasn't had a game that bad since he's been here. He's clutch. It was a bad day....now if it coninues, then there's a problem. But there won't be with him.
He's a smart guy, good blocker, good route runner, great hands. Wish he had more speed, but hey, you can't have everything.

Posted by: Riggo2 | December 28, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Stats Inc. is full of sh!t.

They wouldn't know a drop from a drop kick if it landed in their faces.

Why are they still being referenced? The only reference they should be getting is the one saying, "They cannot count." This poses a problem for statisticians.

Cooley is not and never has been a blocking TE, as Senor Moe asserts. He's always been a great route runner, smart guy, tough runner, and most of all, sure handed. To say he's "no Jason Witten" is a slap in the face to Cooley. Cooley's stats make Witten look like a lumbering dork with average hands... and that's just what he is.

I really like Cooley, more than Moe apparently, but if we can get something for him and the ShanaTans think a decent second RB is more important to the team, then, by all means.

It's just business. Cooley is valuable. Teams trade value. I don't see anyone lining up to get their mitts on Fred Davis. Every team has 5 or 6 Freds on it. They're on special teams.

But, if the Shanazis want to trade Cooley away before he stinks, then, by all means.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 29, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

The Shanahans saw something in Malcolm Kelly that they didn't see in Devin Thomas, so we may have something there.

Posted by: KellyInBC | December 28, 2010 11:19 AM |

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Oh, like what?! Do tell! You think we might just have another Shanafraud F UP?

Smells like one. Sounds like one. Limps around like one...

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 29, 2010 6:01 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins wind up selecting at the 14th or 15th draft slot, I expect Shanny to trade the 1st round pick for Carson Palmer or Matt Hasselback. Shanny doesnt have enough time to fool around with developing a rookie QB.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

why in God's name would we want carson palmer standing still behind our o-line? You trade a first rounder you can spend on a lineman or a up and coming rookie on two has been qbs that have won nothing?Carson seemed like a franchise qb before his knee injury, but the last coupla seasons it's been nothing but poor performances and excuses. I dunno why the skins would waste a draft pick to rescue him from cincy or old a$$ hasselback from seattle. If we trade draft picks for another qb not named Brady,Manning or Vick there will be bedlam.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 29, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Rexy's touch on the ball is differnt then McNabbs the ball in the end zone was a floater thrown with the strength of a 12 year old, Cooley grabbed it with bear claws and he dropped it. End of story.

Posted by: dannyboyrules | December 29, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Its hard to believe how die hard some Skins fans are. Now Shanny is an expert on talent? What season have some of you been looking at? The Shanahans are another example of mismanagement by our talent evaluators and they have the Skins looking like a joke around the league. I cant believe that people can sit here and attempt to make sense out of an otherwise dysfunctional team. If talent evaluation was really going on then Cooley would be an example, as was Mcnabb of a player who should be benched based on production and having a capable young backup, who should be given a chance. Trade him while he still has value and before the Shanahan puts him in their doghouse and devalues him. The only way to change the Skins culture is to stop buying tickets for a product that is not up to the standards set for a once proud organization. The only thing Synder cares about is your dollars and if you're too naive to see that then keep drinking the cool-aid and become a draft expert once again next year.

Posted by: Jizel | December 29, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to believe how die hard some Skins fans are. Now Shanny is an expert on talent? What season have some of you been looking at?

Posted by: Jizel | December 29, 2010 12:49 PM

I was just going to say, how refreshing it was to read optimism from real fans such as Moe, Brownwood and Flounder, and then I got to yours.

Shanahan was handed a mess. It is obvious to everyone his offensive system makes wide receivers open and running backs productive. Every coach has flaws, Shanny is no different, but he is excellent at getting production from undrafted free agents such as Banks and Armstrong. He and Belicheck have done this all their career, taking nobody's and making them somebody's.

It will take some time to get rid of the baggage and change the culture in washington and I for one would like to begin with fans like you. Go cuddle up with ESPN and the rest of the naysayers, leave the real fans alone.

HTTR!!

Posted by: rodskin | December 29, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Two words about the QB : Blaine Gabbert. Perfect fit in the Shanahan's offense.

Posted by: rwill991 | December 30, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Two words about the QB : Blaine Gabbert. Perfect fit in the Shanahan's offense.

Posted by: rwill991 | December 30, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is embarrassed because Farve posted better pictures than him!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 30, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Swap Cooley for 3rd round draft pick. He isnt on board with Shanihan. Fred Davis is more than a capable replacement. 3rd round pick will get it done! Time to rebuild!

Posted by: zap123 | December 30, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is dropping balls because he's still thinking about that hit that put him down. It may not be easy to overcome...

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 31, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

@rodskin:

mentioning shanahan in the same sentence as belicheck should be a punishable offense: report yourself for an extended flogging!

Posted by: dcjazzman | December 31, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

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