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Poll: Redskins' MVP on offense

By Washington Post sports editors

After eight games, The Post's Barry Svrluga says Chris Cooley is the Redskins' most valuable player on offense. Do you agree? Vote in the poll below.

By Washington Post sports editors  | November 4, 2010; 12:33 PM ET
Categories:  Chris Cooley, Polls, Santana Moss, wide receivers  
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This is a really hard choice, because the offense has been so bad. However, I chose McNabb solely based on gut feel. I'm thinking if we had the qb from last year, the Skins would be 2-6 right now. That a 25% increase in winning just because of McNabb's intangible.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,

I actually think we would be 0-8 with the previous QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the MVP. McNabb hasn't been the same without him.

Portis being MVP is pure hyperbole. Not reality but something to think about.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 4, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I chose Cooley. Not only does he catch the ball, but he breaks tackles and blocks, as well. I agree that McNabb doesn't deserve all of the vitriol that has been cast his way, but Cooley has proven himself with a variety of quarterbacks and offenses. This season, I think he has taken his blocking to a new level. He used to be just an okay blocker but now he is taking guys right out of the play. Antonio Gates may catch better, but he blocks worth snot. Trust me, I am not even a big supporter of Cooley, but the dude has impressed me this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,

I actually think we would be 0-8 with the previous QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 12:52 PM
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Have to agree there. If you put Campbell behind some of those long passes the Redskins would have lawsuits - from cheerleaders, mascots and band members. No one in the stadium would be safe except Anthony Armstrong, Joey Galloway and Santana Moss...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Under Shanhan/McNabb and Co...

We're playing with:

Rabach at center
Stephon Heyer at RT
Jamal Brown coming off hip surgery
Anthony Armstrong and Joey Galloway at WR
a new defensive and offensive scheme

AND WE'RE 4 AND FREAKIN' 4 AT THE BYE WEEK, 2-0 IN THE DIVISON, STILL IN THE HUNT TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 4, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Banks

Special teams...whatever...he is our best offensive player throught the first half...leads the team in total yards...in only five games...constantly puts our offense in GREAT position...and they do squat with the ball.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Best answers are "none of the above" or "not on this roster."

Unless you consider being head turd in a pile of shi+ some sort of special honor.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

This survey needs "N/A" as a choice.

Posted by: wahoo2x | November 4, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

dude, how many of those worst to first teams won championships and which remained close to that level. I stand by the concept of building a powerhouse and not a one year wonder.


Posted by: hessone
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Don't know how many won Championships, and don't really care. Coming off of a 4-12 campaign and with the 'Skins last playoff appearance fading in the rear-view mirror, I will take any wonder at all, even if it is of the one-year variety.

In all seriousness, though, how is ditching McNabb, a perfectly servicable QB that the team already burned draft picks on, part of a rebuilding strategy for long-term success? McNabb is plenty good -- not perfect, but plenty good. Build up the rest of the squad, and then find a prominsing young QB when the right opportunity comes along (rather than forcing the issue -- a strategy more likely than not to result in failure) and raise him while DM5 is still around to show him the ropes and give him a chance to acclimate to the NFL. I don't think that is so crazy.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If Cooley didn't have sooooo many drops this year I would pick him, so I'm picking my azz instead!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Punter Hunter Smith is the MVP - no other offensive person comes close. If we didn't have a good punter they would really be in trouble...............

Posted by: FrancisHerbert | November 4, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The ROSTER is why after 8 games it's a mistake...

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse
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The ROSTER didn't throw a pick into triple coverage up 5 with 5 to go. The ROSTER didn't take a sack on 4th and 10 at their own 20. And he had time to get rid of the ball, even if only to a check down.

Those were BAD decisions which cost us the lead and the game and had nothing to do with the beating he took all day.

How do you force a throw when you are up by 5? Then how do you not force a throw on the 4th, when an INT might actually be better than a sack depending on field position? Instead, you get to the end of your drop and just stand there looking stupid.

I'm sorry, but that's not going to cut it. It's one thing to NOT make plays. But making negative plays will piss off any coach.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:25 AM

That's an isolated quote as to why it was a mistake to trade for McNabb. I wasn't absolving McNabb from the blame because we've won in spite of him more than because of him. We were more than a 33 yr old QB away from being a legit playoff contender. Our OL and DL are are the worst in the league and we're at least two years away from getting those straight.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

We have got to get Bradon Banks more involed on Offense. Wild Cat, running back, 9 routes, screens, reverses. We are suppose to have two of the greatest Offensive minds in the NFL. I want to see BB on Offense.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Banks

Special teams...whatever...he is our best offensive player throught the first half...leads the team in total yards...in only five games...constantly puts our offense in GREAT position...and they do squat with the ball.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Then so is DHall, he's scored as many touchdowns as Moss has and almost has as many interceptions as Galloway has catches!

Can't we just send our Defense along with BBanks out on the field the full 60 minutes?

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse


In all seriousness, though, how is ditching McNabb, a perfectly servicable QB that the team already burned draft picks on, part of a rebuilding strategy for long-term success? McNabb is plenty good -- not perfect, but plenty good. Build up the rest of the squad, and then find a prominsing young QB when the right opportunity comes along (rather than forcing the issue -- a strategy more likely than not to result in failure) and raise him while DM5 is still around to show him the ropes and give him a chance to acclimate to the NFL. I don't think that is so crazy.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 1:12 PM |

agree, 4-4 is much better at this point, but the point you make in having mcnabb while we rebuild is the point I've been trying to make here. I agree with you 1000% about building an offensive line, in which we have started too in twilliams.

I'd rather have the picks we deal for older veteran players and don't really care who the QB is, cause I'm sick of trying to be a worst to first kind of team.

DRAFT FIRST

FA's LATER

TA-DA

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Then so is DHall, he's scored as many touchdowns as Moss has and almost has as many interceptions as Galloway has catches!

Can't we just send our Defense along with BBanks out on the field the full 60 minutes?

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:23 PM

Good point...we don't need an offense it seems.

BTW...how is "picking your azz" doing in the poll? I can't see it.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We are suppose to have two of the greatest Offensive minds in the NFL.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy! We dug up the brains of Bill Walsh and Don Coryell!!!!

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

....so I'm picking my azz instead!


azz: Why am I getting picked?

RI: 'Cuz like Cooley, you're a good tight end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Dallas SUCKS!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

...so I'm picking my azz instead!


azz: I still don't I deserve this award.

RI: I understand.

But don't get so upset that you fart in my general direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

AND WE'RE 4 AND FREAKIN' 4 AT THE BYE WEEK, 2-0 IN THE DIVISON, STILL IN THE HUNT TO WIN THE DIVISION!!!!!!!!!!!

I WILL TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 4, 2010 1:07 PM

I'm curious at the end of the year to compare Marty's team to Shanny's team. Marty was able to adjust to the lack of talent he had on his team, coaxing a strong finish to the year. We'll see how Shanny handles his charges.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

BTW...how is "picking your azz" doing in the poll? I can't see it.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

It's been categorized on the Other category. My azz is popular, 5% already!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

We are suppose to have two of the greatest Offensive minds in the NFL.

mind 1: You know things suck when your azz is your best offensive player?

mind 2: Think of the bright side.

When he gets the runs, he's hard to stop.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Dallas SUCKS!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Troll Call!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Best answers are "none of the above" or "not on this roster."

Unless you consider being head turd in a pile of shi+ some sort of special honor.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 1:09 PM

My thoughts exactly.

We don't appear to have an Offensive MVP on the team at the moment. Some guys are playing well in stretches, but no MVP.

Posted by: edvar | November 4, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious the clear choice is Trent Williams. We'd be down the John Beck as our QB if it was anyone else in there with the amount of quality DE's and LB's he's faced.

Ware,
Mario Williams,
Clay Mathews
Trent Cole
Dwight Freeney

Am I missing anyone?

Posted by: Devo2 | November 4, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather have the picks we deal for older veteran players and don't really care who the QB is,"
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I hear you, but the trade deadline for this year has passed and McNabb is only under contract through the end of this year. So the most the 'Skins would get for McNabb is a compensatory pick, and they would still need a starting QB.

This fan base is not going to put up with Rex Grossman in that role for any extended period of time, nor should we. Moreover, that would seriously harm the morale of the team because it simply reinforces a culture of losing.

I have to believe it would be terribly depressing to play on a team that made it clear from its choice of a starting QB that it was not even trying to win. With McNabb at QB, the team is making a statement to its fans and players that they are trying to win, and in the bargain gets a figure in the locker room who is a natural leader and a guy who has won an awful lot of games in the NFL. That can only help the team develop the right mentality to be a consistently successful franchise.

All of that said, if DM5 asks for outlandish (Manning/Brady-level) coin, then the team should move on because that would not be a good investment.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Just to spite Daddy & Kyle Shanahan and their bonehead decision just before the bye week:

Donovan McNabb.

DM05 clearly has made this team exceed expectations, and they are playing at a higher level.

Seriously, though, this offense deserves to be pistol-whipped.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 4, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Troll Call!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:43 PM

Yeah...been kinda lame in here today...speaking of lame...where is beep-beep this afternoon?

I'm glad to hear your azz is doing so well...I hope its beating out Galloway!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Troll Call!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 1:43 PM

Yeah...been kinda lame in here today...speaking of lame...where is beep-beep this afternoon?

I'm glad to hear your azz is doing so well...I hope its beating out Galloway!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Guess he picked up that extra shift at McDonalds!

Galloway's like a hemroid, he just won't go away!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, though, this offense deserves to be pistol-whipped.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 4, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What did last year's squad deserve then?

Posted by: Devo2 | November 4, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"All of that said, if DM5 asks for outlandish (Manning/Brady-level) coin, then the team should move on because that would not be a good investment."

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I remain convinced McDude could be had for $7 or $8 million per year guaranteed over the next two or three seasons.

And that's why I remain baffled that they've not already done it. Either mcDude thinks he's worth a lot more than market rates, or the front office has once again miscalculated the fair value of a player.

If McNabb wants anything more, make it contingent on hitting some incentive clauses. And if front office honestly believes they can find a player of this caliber for anything less, then prove it.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What did last year's squad deserve then?

Posted by: Devo2 |
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Executed?

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse


All of that said, if DM5 asks for outlandish (Manning/Brady-level) coin, then the team should move on because that would not be a good investment.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 1:46 PM |

I agree with you in regards to trying to win, I mean, all teams try to win I assume. I think the jury is out on whether mcnabb is a natural locker room leader. I'd rather see him get on a players ass for not performing at a high level then watch him roll his eye's and shrug his shoulders. Too me, that's not leadership at QB.

draft, then aquire the final pieces thru FA's

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

What did last year's squad deserve then?

Posted by: Devo2 |
___________

Executed?

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hypothetically speaking; castration would have been more appropriate since they played like a bunch of ladies.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 4, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"...if DM5 asks for outlandish (Manning/Brady-level) coin, then the team should move on because that would not be a good investment."


Usually, the athlete is made an offer--they don't demand how much they want to get paid.

And if I'm right, the skins have him in that they can franchise him, and pay him/trade him accordingly.

This whole system is one of the reasons why footballers don't make MLB/NBA money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Twisi,

I actually think we would be 0-8 with the previous QB.

Posted by: Flounder21

Can't argue a hypothetical, but a clarification please....

Which one? Ramsey? Brunell? One of them Florida boys? Theismann? Jurgensen? Kilmer?

Look you could put freaking Starr, Unitas, Marino, or God himelf behinf that sieve of a line without a running attack and with limited receivers and they'd stink up the joint.

Campbell is lucky to be out of this mess, putting up 59 and 33 points behind a decent line with decent RBs and decent receivers.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, though, this offense deserves to be pistol-whipped.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 4, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse


First take a cat-o-nine-tails to one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Usually, the athlete is made an offer--they don't demand how much they want to get paid.

And if I'm right, the skins have him in that they can franchise him, and pay him/trade him accordingly.
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True Moe. I should have selected my words more carefully. Subsitute "insists on being paid" rather than "demands".

On the franchise tag point, you are correct under the current CBA but that is ending and unless the new one has a franchise tag option that is not a possibility.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hess,

I don't think there's any question that D Mac is a natural locker room leader. Have you heard any player say otherwise? You(and others) may have a problem with his leadership style, but it seems to me he has the full confidence of the players(less perhaps Rexy?). The jury is out on the coaching staff based on their actions during the Detroit fiasco.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"And if I'm right, the skins have him in that they can franchise him, and pay him/trade him accordingly."

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 2:15 PM |

Trouble is, if they franchise him, they also commit to pay him the average of the top three (or is it five?) players in his position -- which would put him in line for PManning or Brady money -- presumably something in the $17-20 million per season range.

He's good, but not that good... and never has been.

Or is the front office just being pragmatic and damning up their cash flow commitments against the real possibility of a lock out / walk out with the expiration of the CBA -- and refusing to commit to anything beyond the first week of January 2011 -- at least until they have a better understanding of how next year and beyond will actually shake out?

Alternately, what would Little Danny do if the Redskins melt down for the remainder of this season and "succeed" in landing another top draft pick? Remember this was the same midget and megalomaniac and principal owner who was entertaining Sam Bradford and others last off-season... despute so many other, more pressing, needs up and down the roster.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

draft, then aquire the final pieces thru FA's

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 2:04 PM

FA is before the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I voted "other" - other teams' mistakes.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | November 4, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"He didn't "singlehandedly" win us either the Cowboys"

actually he did...in the cowboys game, the Redskins scored 13 points, and won 13-7. Take away halls TD, and its 7-6, and the redskins lose....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

that's absurd. you have no idea how the 2nd half would've played out. and how many plays did he give up that game? if he scooped and scored on that final play of the game and we won by 6, fine. But don't give me this "he won us the game all by himself" garbage. The guy had a beast of a game against a terrible - not bad, not average, TERRIBLE - QB with an ego problem, which didn't allow him to stop trying to beat DHall. Other than that he's a soft corner who gambles too much, can't tackle and plays too soft. You take the good with the bad, and there's plenty of both with Hall. But don't give me this MVP nonsense.

As for offense - with such lack of achievement it's hard to make a clear cut case for anyone, but I could make just as strong a case for Torrain as the others I've seen. He has been very solid; you think we'd be .500 with zero running game and a 34 yr old signal caller playing to a 75 QB rating? I don't. 46 deserves it at this point as much as anyone. Let's hope it's McNabb in the 2nd half. I have to think he'll play better.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I was in the minority when I said I wouldn't trade for Cutler. Turns out, that would have been a horrid trade.

Didn't like the McNabb trade, though I wasn't nearly as against it as the Cutler trade. The issue was priority -- I felt OL was more important. Thought we should have turned those picks (+ perhaps Fred Davis) into Pouncey -- he's now the C for Pittsburgh.

I buy that McNabb is a better QB than Campbell. I also buy the argument that McNabb also brings intangibles to the table, which makes his value greater.

I bought the argument that McNabb would get sacked a lot. This article says he has 23 halfway thru this year. Anyone want to bet that Campbell had about 46 sacks last year? Anyone want to bet that McNabb had about 40 sacks last year in philly (he missed a game or two)? Don't even need to check to know I'm right.

What bothers me the most, however, is the criticism McNabb appears to be taking from the Shanahans.

McNabb isn't a mystery.

He's been in this league over a decade -- there is a ton of film on the guy. Shanahan should have known what he was getting.

Shanahan is credited with being very detailed and very prepared. But I get a sense that he didn't do his homework on McNabb. If he has footwork issues, Shanahan should have known that. If he had 2 minute issues, Shanahan should have known that (and practiced it).

Instead, there appears to be this sense that they got less in Donovan than they expected. I'm not buying that.

Nor am I buying that McNabb had lots of years of greatness left in him. I looked at his peer group (guys with similar resumes) and the averages within that group were that he'd have 4 years -- and they'd be about evenly split between very good (90+ QB rating), good (80's) and not good (below 80).

Ultimately, Shanahan decided to win now instead of rebuild. Donovan is a 'win now' guy, though I think his presence in the locker room is also a good thing for younger players -- better than Campbell.

Me, I wanted a young, developing OL. Pouncey, TW, Jammal Brown (he's still young) and I'd have even paid for Mankins to add to it. Yeah, my OL would cost $35million a year. But it'd have 2 guys around 22 years old, 2 around 28 and only Dockery at 30. Its an OL that could be together for 3-5 years.

I've said all along that Shanahan is wearing too many hats -- the problems with that are starting to become clear.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I voted other, cause look how awful we are without Portis

He's the guy D's have been worried about, now there's no one

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be fun when we beat NY for the NFC East title on the last game of the season.

Skins make a historical push 2nd half of season. I'm predicting 7-1 or 6-2.

Running game gets going with Torain/Portis/Davis. The Skins will lean on the running game heavily.

Banks gets into the offense on gadget plays.

HTTR.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse


draft, then aquire the final pieces thru FA's

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 2:04 PM

FA is before the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 2:30 PM |

I think you know what I'm sayin 44, over a 2-3 year span.

oh, and let's just sign FA o-linemen if we sign any FA this offseason. I'm in tune with that.

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It is obviously McNabb. No question. He's not perfect, not very accurate, but he can juke in the pocket.

Without his ability to juke 2 tacklers in a span of 2.4 seconds and still complete a pass, we win ZERO games so far.

And I think with Campbell, who knows, maybe we win a game or two. Not to take anything away from him. He's a QB, after all. He's not SUPPOSED to be able to run for his life and complete passes consistently. But, McNabb is one of the best at that.

The common denominator between both Campbell and McNabb sucking HERE and looking pretty dang good on other teams is the JOKE of an Offensive Line we have. And it's actually BETTER this year than last.

How can a team whose fan base was the first to lionize their Offensive Line be so ignorant about why "the Offense" "needs to be pistol whipped?"

Because you're all stupid, that's why.

Thanks.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, if I really had to go with an "other," it would have to be DHall. He has more pass receptions than two-thirds of the receiving corps and more yardage than all of the backs -- save perhaps McNabb and his bad hammies -- combined.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to vote for Jason Campbell for the "air player of the week" at nfl.com

15 for 27 300 2 tds or somethin

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

zce, that's all fine and well. but you assume that we could've had Pouncey. you assume the asking price for Mankins was something we could afford. If we could've gotten those two guys instead of McNabb, I don't think there's any doubt it would've been done. it's not that simple - never is. pretty sure Shanny knows more about football than all of us on this blog combined. he knows you need an O-line to win. he drafted the best OT and brought in another pretty good one. We need better guards and time for 71 to mature, not a QB in better shape. 5 has at least 2-3 years of good football left in him (by "good" I mean better than what he's done in the first half). That would be good enough to win. If we improve our interior line. You know it, I know it. Don't think Shanny and Allen don't know it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to vote for Jason Campbell for the "air player of the week" at nfl.com

15 for 27 300 2 tds or somethin

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM

Sorry...already voted for Stafford.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Look you could put freaking Starr, Unitas, Marino, or God himelf behinf that sieve of a line without a running attack and with limited receivers and they'd stink up the joint.

Campbell is lucky to be out of this mess, putting up 59 and 33 points behind a decent line with decent RBs and decent receivers.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2010 2:21 PM

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Well, not ALL of you are stupid. Cork isn't. And Zcest isn't. Moe's not. Diesel's usually not.

But flouder, and mattsoundworld, and twisi? They count as 3 or 4 stupid fans each, based upon their level of ignorance multiplied by their propensity to post and preach to everybody about it.

I wish we could watch them take a few snaps each behind our line. They'd learn real fast that they don't know what the F they're talking about.

And McNabb throwing into triple coverage? Dumb play. Should have probably just taken the sack. He might have gotten it there if a) Galloway comes BACK to the ball like every HS receiver knows.

or b) McNabb's arm isn't hit as he's throwing.

Post away, morons. You'll still be stupid and you'll still never understand the game of football.

Hint: The fat guys up front make everybody look good and get no accolades. Case in point.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

PS --

Of course, we will also allow that DHall has also been the beneficiary of better blocking schemes on his run-backs.

Few would argue the D-ballers will put it out there when they have the chance.

Unfortunately, the midgets, gimps and geezers on the O-side don't appear nearly as ready, willing or able.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to vote for Jason Campbell for the "air player of the week" at nfl.com

15 for 27 300 2 tds or somethin

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just go and lick the Old Soup's 'Black Hole' already, you've been doin it figuratively for the past 5 years.

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

We should trade every skill player we have for decent O Lineman... As I said for the last 3 years.

What good is Santana Moss if the QB can't see him because he's got a chest in his face?

Cooley? Good, but not as important as a Center who can actually hold his ground or run block.

I've said it over and over again. It's really old now.

New England's back ups could EASILY outplay our line. NYGiant's Practice squad O Line could, too.

Lichdensteiner? RockBack? Heyer? Gimpy Brown? And the cocky sloppy ass rookie. It will take years. Multiple years.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

all in all, I'd give the front office a B+ so far. we're competitive right now - we've been in all but 1 game late, 4-4 is not bad and we easily could be 5-3, even 6-2. we're building for the future - drafting a franchise left tackle - while at the same time giving you a QB that is good enough and has enough tread on the tires for 3-4 more solid years (assuming they agree on a contract extension).

Bottom line is, IMO, this - it's not "win now" or "blow it up/rebuild/win 5+ years from now". This team IS rebuilding, all the while trying to be competitive this year in the hopes of parlaying our modest success into a deep run in the next couple years. Consider what next year's team will/could have:

-Borderline elite QB, 35 yrs old. motivated to beat his old team.
-Elite pass rusher, 24 yrs old. nasty. game changer. just entering his prime.
-Elite safety, 25 yrs old. see above.
-franchise LT, 23 yrs old. the real deal, just scratching the surface but far more polished after a solid but trying rookie season.
-Pro Bowl tight end, 29. still in prime, lot to prove after mixed results in 2010.
-Elite return man (which I called 3 months ago - hey, even a broken clock is right twice/day), 23 yrs old. Scary. game changer.
-Solid power back, 24. very tough to bring down, knows the system, has coach's trust, works hard.

these are franchise pieces that you can buld around. address the interior line, pick up one more WR weapon - I love Moss but how many more years does he have in him? Love Armstrong but at this point, he's not a #1 WR.

We can win a Super Bowl in the next 2-3 years with this core, plus a few more pieces. I truly believe that.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I am definately in the build through the draft camp. One thing that we will almost surely see in the new CBA is some sort of rookie pay scale. That will make daft picks even more valuable when compared to free agents because teams will no longer have to pay top dollar for talent that is completely unproven at the NFL level.

The high probability of a lockout next year may also affect teams' draft stategy. Players drafted next year may be playing in a significantly shortened season, and we likely will have two drafts before any of the 2011 picks play in a full season.

My thought is maybe we SHOULD use our 1st round pick on a QB in this coming draft, knowing that we would only have to keep him on his feet for half of a normal season. Then we would have two years to complete the renovation of the O-line before our new QB would have to face a full season schedule.

Under normal circumstances I would definately say build the O-line first, then get the QB, but next year may not be normal.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, though, this offense deserves to be pistol-whipped.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 4, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse


First take a cat-o-nine-tails to one Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | November 4, 2010 2:22 PM
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That's one creepy sexual fantasy you got going there, Corkie. Maybe you and Brownwood should exchange notes...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

New England's back ups could EASILY outplay our line. NYGiant's Practice squad O Line could, too.

Lichdensteiner? RockBack? Heyer? Gimpy Brown? And the cocky sloppy ass rookie. It will take years. Multiple years.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

(been waiting all day to say this) You, sir, are an idiot.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

New England's back ups could EASILY outplay our line. NYGiant's Practice squad O Line could, too.

Lichdensteiner? RockBack? Heyer? Gimpy Brown? And the cocky sloppy ass rookie. It will take years. Multiple years.

Posted by: Thinker_McThinky | November 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

There, fixed your User ID for ya!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to wait til the end of the season to tell you all...but I'm Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to wait til the end of the season to tell you all...but I'm Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I guess I can come clean too, hey daddy, it's Kyle!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

(been waiting all day to say this) You, sir, are an idiot.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 3:02 PM

co-sign

Posted by: cosmofla | November 4, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Redskins offensive MVP = Hottest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to wait til the end of the season to tell you all...but I'm Mike Shanahan.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:07 PM

Hey, this makes sense! We all know that everyting Mike Shanahan says in the media is utter bullsh!t. Finally we understand the rationale behind your posts!

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Redskins offensive MVP = Hottest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

How fat are we talking about. Anna Nicole fat, or biggest loser fat?

B/C Anna Nicole as the Guess Jeans girl was smokin!

Posted by: Devo2 | November 4, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this makes sense! We all know that everyting Mike Shanahan says in the media is utter bullsh!t. Finally we understand the rationale behind your posts!

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 3:19 PM

I knew eventually that you Jason Reid worshiping morons would put two and two together...Kyle...lets get the f*ck outta here!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Redskins MVP in wins

A. Alex Barron
B. Jason Avant
C. Mason Crosby
D. Jay Cutler
E. All the above

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Redskins offensive MVP = Hottest girl at fat camp.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 4, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

How fat are we talking about. Anna Nicole fat, or biggest loser fat?

B/C Anna Nicole as the Guess Jeans girl was smokin!

Posted by: Devo2 | November 4, 2010 3:20 PM

...and pre-camp...middle of camp...or post-camp? Very important.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

You must really be bored for a topic...there is no MVP on this 4-4 team where most of the Wins were fools Gold wins....and put on your seat belts.....this season is about to get very very bumpy.....losing often and losing ugly....

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | November 4, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Its a trick questions, but to choose one its gotta be either Dmac or Tana. Unfortunately a case could be made for Mike Sellers...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 4, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Funny that the guy with the most votes is the one who just got benched for poor performance. Very telling.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Redskins MVP in wins

A. Alex Barron
B. Jason Avant
C. Mason Crosby
D. Jay Cutler
E. All the above

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 3:24 PM

Cutler. Not only did he contribute to a win, but also to adding another Redskins to the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Redskins MVP in wins

A. Alex Barron
B. Jason Avant
C. Mason Crosby
D. Jay Cutler
E. All the above

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 3:24 PM

Cutler. Not only did he contribute to a win, but also to adding another Redskins to the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: TWISI | November 4, 2010 3:38 PM

Agreed...and I'd like to throw Wade and Garrett into the mix...they really started the season off on a good foot for us.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway.

"He coached a team to almost perfection [with Elway] so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

----Yahoo Sports full article link below:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Ex-NFL-QB-Jake-Plummer-is-playing-a-new-sport-th?urn=nfl-282499

Posted by: CarbonChauvinist | November 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Silverback has been the offensive MVP - but his performance dropped significantly against Detroit, maybe he's hitting that rookie wall

Posted by: coparker5 | November 4, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway.

"He coached a team to almost perfection [with Elway] so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

Posted by: CarbonChauvinist | November 4, 2010 3:43 PM

Wow. Shanahan's searching for John Elway? So is every coach in the league.

If you're looking for a QB to say something bad about Shanahan, Plummer's the go-to guy. He played his best football under Shanahan and he's very bitter because Shanahan sat him for Cutler. I wonder how he'd feel if Shanahan sat him for Grossman?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how he'd feel if Shanahan sat him for Grossman?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 3:55 PM

Haha...well I guess he would be ok with it as long as it is with the game on the line...since Rex is the Two Minute Drill Specialist.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If you're looking for a QB to say something bad about Shanahan, Plummer's the go-to guy. He played his best football under Shanahan and he's very bitter because Shanahan sat him for Cutler. I wonder how he'd feel if Shanahan sat him for Grossman?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 3:55 PM

Plummer was 7-4 when he got benched. Cutler NEVER had a winning at any point under Shanahan.

How is Plummer wrong?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I went with Santana for offense MVP. Not a lot to chose from, but he's had a good year. He's also the guy who'll get extra coverage most of the time and the only reason teams can't put 8 in the box. 50+ yards in 7 of 8 games. of course, he got shut out in our win over philly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

New England's back ups could EASILY outplay our line. NYGiant's Practice squad O Line could, too.

Lichdensteiner? RockBack? Heyer? Gimpy Brown? And the cocky sloppy ass rookie. It will take years. Multiple years.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 4, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

(been waiting all day to say this) You, sir, are an idiot.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 3:02 PM
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Nothing personal, but I think you are so very wrong: you shouldn't have to wait all day to call Thinker_ an idiot. Just log on your computer first thing in the morning and say, "Thinker_, wherever you are, you are an idiot". You'll feel better and you won't have to go through all of that anxiety throughout the day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

During this bye week Shanahan should give Bill Romanowksi a call and explain to him his problem with a puny offensive line. Maybe there is something Romanowksi can to do help from *ahem* a medicinal level.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

thinker,

You are a sjk idiot if you could read you would understand that I was saying we would be 0-8 with JC17 because of how bad the o_line is. I wasn't beating JC17 up he is no longer here he is doing fine in Oakland and thats great. Although those dumb a$$es are getting ready to bench him again.

Why don't you do what your name is instead of posting all this dumb sh_t up here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is lucky to be out of this mess, putting up 59 and 33 points behind a decent line with decent RBs and decent receivers.

Posted by: TheCork

Really? His OL is so-so -- they have gotten better -- and his receivers are bad. His RBs and TE are really good and that fullback, Reece, is making a difference in blocking.

Campbell has played well the past couple games. But the breaks that went against him in other games were going for him the past couple weeks. Things evening out.

One example, his WR had a ball hit him between the numbers vs SF. It bounced out and turned into an INT. Last week, Campbell threw a pass right on target for about a 10 yard play. It bounced out, into the hands of another Raider and went for 55 yards. Two good throws. If caught normally, 2 completions for 20 yards. But -- its an INT and a 55 yard play.

fwiw, Miller, the Raider staring TE, is hurting and might miss the game Sunday. Starting group of receivers would be Hayward Bey (9 career catches coming into 2010), Jacoby Ford (rookie) and Brandon Myers (4 career catches coming into 2010).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be fun when we beat NY for the NFC East title on the last game of the season.

Skins make a historical push 2nd half of season. I'm predicting 7-1 or 6-2.

Running game gets going with Torain/Portis/Davis. The Skins will lean on the running game heavily.

Banks gets into the offense on gadget plays.

HTTR.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 2:37 PM

4-4, With the most difficult part of our schedule behind us. We're 2-0 in our division and 4-2 in our conference. This is a week to week league and the OL and DM5 can't play any worse, right?? Great time for a bye week..

Positives- There are guys playing well

LL30 - 1st half MVP
Dhall - pro bowl
Orakpo - pro bowl
LFB - pro bowl
Lo-A - pro bowl Sp. teams
BB16 - pro bowl return man
CC47 - 3rd in the league in TE catches
RT46 - is a keeper
SM89 - having a solid season
TW71 - has played well despite having ZERO help on the OL
AA13 - would make a nice #3
RM52 - playing better than most think

How's that for sunshine, sunshine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb has to be the offensive player of the mid-season. That man has been running for his life since day one and has avoided numerous sacks (or safeties a couple of times). If anyone thinks that this team would have been 4-4 with Rex Grossman or Jason Campbell behind that line, they are delusional.

Clinton Portis has to be an honorable mention because I'm sure Donovan misses his ability to pick up the blitzes. 16 sacks since Portis' injury is proof to that.

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 4, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

How is Plummer wrong?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 3:59 PM

I'm not sure I understand your question. "Wrong" in what sense? Wrong to be bitter? Wrong about Shanahan? I already said that he was right about Shanahan -- he is looking for the next John Elway -- every coach in the league is.

Jake was 7-4 and he'd just lost two games. His play was "lackluster" that season and his QB rating was 68.6, his worst under Shanahan. He was also at the end of his career. He retired from football at the end of the season.

So if you're asking is he wrong for being bitter, definitely not. If he's bitter, he's bitter. Can't help how he feels. But if you're looking for an unbiased assessment of Shanahan, you don't call Jake Plummer.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

'I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating.

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Yeah, cos every time I want to know about football I would make Plummer my first port of call.

Deliberately extrapolating but here goes:

Analysing what a player could do better then telling them so they could do so?

Called 'coaching' sparky.

A head coach wanting perfection?

Gosh, thats unusual.

What do the following coaches have in common: Bill Belichick, Joe Gibbs1, Vince Lombardi, Bill Parcells, Bill Walsh.

And what do the following coaches have in common: Wade Phillips, Rich Kotite, Norv Turner.

Which group was more successful and why? You have one hour.


Posted by: craig81 | November 4, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

McNABB has changed the ON-FIELD atmosphere of this club, and he is the MVP in my opinion. DONOVAN's outlook vs. SOUP's is dramatic even with all McNABB's foilables.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 4, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb has to be the offensive player of the mid-season. That man has been running for his life since day one and has avoided numerous sacks (or safeties a couple of times)....

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 4, 2010 4:54 PM

How can that be? Rumor has it his "cardiovascular endurance" is kind of poor!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep,

there was no indication of bitterness on Plummer's part that I could see.

Sure, he was having an off-year when he was benched at 7-4, but Cutler came on a proceeded to go 2-3.

In fact, Cutler NEVER had a winning record with Shanahan after Plummer.

I keep hearing on the boards how we can't judge a QB by his stats, and it's all about intangibles and the "W's".

Well, Plummer's team was 13-3 in 2005 when he led them to the AFC Championship, and 7-4 when he was benched the next year.

He chose to retire after being traded to the Bucs, but he was no more "at the end of his career" than McNabb is now. He was 31 years old at the time.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm not one to pile on McNabb, but his ex-teammates certainly are:

Freddie Mitchell, former Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver, weighed in on Washington Redskins coach Mike Shanahan's decision to bench quarterback Donovan McNabb, his former teammate.

According to Tim McManus of phillysportsdaily.com, Mitchell said that McNabb should have been benched in Super Bowl XXXIX.

"I can only wonder what would have happened in the Super Bowl if Reid stepped up and said, 'You know what? You're playing like [expletive], you're benched.' I don't know many coaches that have the balls to do that," Mitchell reportedly said. "He was playing like [expletive] and he should have been benched. And don't say he doesn't have a record of this; he did the same thing in every single championship game."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

He chose to retire after being traded to the Bucs, but he was no more "at the end of his career" than McNabb is now. He was 31 years old at the time.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 5:27 PM

What part of "end of his career" is not clear? He after the season ended. He never played another game in the NFL after the season in which he was benched. He didn't want to play football anymore. He said he would retire BEFORE he was traded to Tampa Bay, not after. Tampa traded a pick, anyway. He even gave back money (to Tampa) in order to retire.

If McNabb retires at the end of this year then, right now, he is at the end of his career. If he plays three more years, then he is not at the end of his career.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Plummer said that dealing with Shanny was frustrating, and I can see his point of view. Some people in charge don't know how to motivate people to seek perfection long term. Meaning - most people like to know what they've done well in addition to what they've done poorly. It sounds like Shanny was only really focusing on the negative, which irritates people. People don't mind being told they have to improve things if they're commended for what they do well, even if it's the basics of their profession and what they should be doing anyways. If you add a bit of sweetness (commendation), the bitterness (negative sounding criticism) doesn't taste so bad to where you can swallow it (listen and make your game better). You can say Plummer's a pro and shouldn't need it, but I don't think anyone would want to do their job after months of only hearing what they do wrong, and nothing about what they do right.

And I do believe that JC would have been able to do well behind Z's proposed line: "Me, I wanted a young, developing OL. Pouncey, TW, Jammal Brown (he's still young) and I'd have even paid for Mankins to add to it. Yeah, my OL would cost $35million a year. But it'd have 2 guys around 22 years old, 2 around 28 and only Dockery at 30. Its an OL that could be together for 3-5 years." The best part of this line is that it would stay together and even if we drafted a QB this year, he would have time to learn behind JC if we had done it. It's not possible of course b/c of the McNabb trade, but it definitely would have been the better option (even if you want to include whoever the second best C was in the draft instead of Pouncey).

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Some people in charge don't know how to motivate people to seek perfection long term. Meaning - most people like to know what they've done well in addition to what they've done poorly. It sounds like Shanny was only really focusing on the negative, which irritates people.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 5:56 PM

How's this.

MS: You've done a nice job with your pocket presence and have avoided some sacks and made plays with your legs. You've also been a class act and a leader.

DM: Thanks coach, anything I can improve on?

MS: Everything else: Accuracy, footwork, seeing the field, clock management, 2 min drill, learning the playbook, timing (you're late with the majority of you throws, and your decision making. And to top it off you've been outplayed by a rookie QB, a 2nd YR guy that hasn't played in 7 weeks, and in 5 of our 8 games the opposing QB has been better.

DM: Wow, but we're 4-4.

MS: True, but in spite of you. Now enjoy your bye week and you'll have 8 games to EARN a contract here.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Plummer said that dealing with Shanny was frustrating, and I can see his point of view. Some people in charge don't know how to motivate people to seek perfection long term.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 5:56 PM

That could be. But Shanahan motivated him for three years and he played his best football under Shanahan. In the fourth year, it kind of fell apart. He was off his game and he retired after that year. He was done with football at 31. Maybe Jake couldn't motivate himself?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

That could be. But Shanahan motivated him for three years and he played his best football under Shanahan. In the fourth year, it kind of fell apart. He was off his game and he retired after that year. He was done with football at 31. Maybe Jake couldn't motivate himself?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 6:18 PM

Similarly, one could say Andy Reid motivated McNabb, and Shanahan's not motivating him?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

How can that be? Rumor has it his "cardiovascular endurance" is kind of poor!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 4, 2010 5:16 PM


Well, the Shanahans' "psychological/professional endurance" is a bit questionable as well.

Posted by: Neisha_H | November 4, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

who is motivating Rabach?

Posted by: coparker5 | November 4, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

MS: You've done a nice job with your pocket presence and have avoided some sacks and made plays with your legs. You've also been a class act and a leader.

DM: Thanks coach, anything I can improve on?

MS: Everything else: Accuracy, footwork, seeing the field, clock management, 2 min drill, learning the playbook, timing (you're late with the majority of you throws, and your decision making. And to top it off you've been outplayed by a rookie QB, a 2nd YR guy that hasn't played in 7 weeks, and in 5 of our 8 games the opposing QB has been better.

DM: Wow, but we're 4-4.

MS: True, but in spite of you. Now enjoy your bye week and you'll have 8 games to EARN a contract here.


Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 6:17 PM

Seems that maybe Jim Zorn as our head coach wasn't as unpopular with all Skins fans as we thought.

Apparently they prefered that to a coach who makes players accountable, (generally) if they want to play makes them practice, tries to rectify mistakes and help them to not make them again and pushes them to play as well as they can.

Well for those 'fans' perhaps they can take consolation from the fact that Wade Phillips and probably Norv Turner will be available at the end of the year.

Posted by: craig81 | November 4, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

If the season were to end now and McNabb was considering contract offers, he'd be getting some very modest offers compared to the company he thinks he keeps (Peyton, Brady).

I can't help but think part of the issue with McNabb and Shanahan is about $$. As team president, managing costs is part of his job description -- and it'll be a big part if the salary cap stays.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: craig81 | November 4, 2010 6:44 PM

Sorry Diesel, realised I hadn't made it clear I was agreeing with you there!

Posted by: craig81 | November 4, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

CoParker - sometimes players are just done. Rabach fits that category, and even more so once we find his replacement. Good teacher maybe with the signals/protection calls, but not good on the field.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget to vote for Jason Campbell for the "air player of the week" at nfl.com

15 for 27 300 2 tds or somethin

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Just go and lick the Old Soup's 'Black Hole' already, you've been doin it figuratively for the past 5 years.

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You always have men doin stuff to other men on your mind??????

wrong team, sorry. Maybe try only using one website at a time.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Rabotch could call signals during WW3,(WHO- CARES) dude sucks...Hopefully this team sees that and finds a replacement

Posted by: skinswillwin | November 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Some people in charge don't know how to motivate people to seek perfection long term. Meaning - most people like to know what they've done well in addition to what they've done poorly. It sounds like Shanny was only really focusing on the negative, which irritates people.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 5:56 PM

What's sad is that a grown man has to have SOMEONE ELSE motivate them. Pathetic, be a professional, be an adult and MOTIVATE YOURSELF.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Your chance to vote was Tuesday, you nincompoop.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Some people in charge don't know how to motivate people to seek perfection long term. Meaning - most people like to know what they've done well in addition to what they've done poorly. It sounds like Shanny was only really focusing on the negative, which irritates people.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 4, 2010 5:56 PM

What's sad is that a grown man has to have SOMEONE ELSE motivate them. Pathetic, be a professional, be an adult and MOTIVATE YOURSELF.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 7:56 PM
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Shanahan is a perfectionist which isn't a bad thing to be if you are a head coach. It was time for Plummer to leave football if he couldn't strive any longer to make himself better. It's a game of inches and fractions of a degree better performance determines the outcome of the game. If you don't come to practice every day hoping to get better, then you really shouldn't be in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

If you don't come to practice every day hoping to get better, then you really shouldn't be in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:10 PM

That's the philosophy I bring to my posts up here.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

who is motivating Rabach?

Posted by: coparker5 | November 4, 2010 6:43 PM
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Rabach is motivated by turf. He can't wait for that next game so some defender can smash him into the beautiful, cool turf. Sure, some centers are motivated by blocking, but why bother when you can get paid to lie on your back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Your chance to vote was Tuesday, you nincompoop.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:06 PM
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Back off on pabrian, Diesel. The poor kid is saving up, scrimping and scrounging every dime so he can afford to pay for his assectomy to get rid of his rectal-cranial inversion. Under Obama's healthcare plan he would have gotten the procedure done for free but now that the Repulbicans are going to repeal it, he's a little tense from having to gather all of that cash.

Hang in there Pabrian. There's light at the end of that colon, Buddy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

If you don't come to practice every day hoping to get better, then you really shouldn't be in the NFL.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:10 PM

That's the philosophy I bring to my posts up here.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 8:13 PM
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We know, and we appreciate the effort beep-beep, but we will probably be replacing you in the last two minutes with a blogger who has a better handle on the two minute drill.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Under Obama's healthcare plan he would have gotten the procedure done for free but now that the Repulbicans are going to repeal it, he's a little tense from having to gather all of that cash.

Hang in there Pabrian. There's light at the end of that colon, Buddy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:18 PM

Correction, everyone that works for their living was going to pay for it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Under Obama's healthcare plan he would have gotten the procedure done for free but now that the Repulbicans are going to repeal it, he's a little tense from having to gather all of that cash.

Hang in there Pabrian. There's light at the end of that colon, Buddy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:18 PM

Correction, everyone that works for their living was going to pay for it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 8:23 PM
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Hey, I'd chip in a little if Pabrian got his head out of his rectum.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

We know, and we appreciate the effort beep-beep, but we will probably be replacing you in the last two minutes with a blogger who has a better handle on the two minute drill.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:23 PM

...and in the spirit of Rex Grossman and his fumbling bafoonery it will be Peabrain2003.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

We know, and we appreciate the effort beep-beep, but we will probably be replacing you in the last two minutes with a blogger who has a better handle on the two minute drill.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:23 PM

Final two minutes, hell. Because of my lack of cardio conditioning I usually take myself out of the final four hours. This place is a marathon and I'm not even a sprinter unless you count the distance from here to the fridge.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'd chip in a little if Pabrian got his head out of his rectum.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:25 PM |

Lol, that's gotta be worth a dollar.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

RSH- Nice effort in your last few posts

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Seriously people? McNabb is your pick for offensive MVP? The 26% of you fools who picked him need to stop watching football and pick another sport to watch; womans volleyball perhaps? Whatever you're smoking it's illegal! Please explain to me how the 25th ranked QB in the NFL gets the MVP vote for this team?

Posted by: dwilcox2 | November 4, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Will we ever see another republican president?

I mean if all the new voters that suddenly turned out for Obama ensuring his victory in a landslide, plan on continuing to vote and America is liberal by an overwhelming majority how could a republican president ever be possible again?

Unless of course all those new voters were black and only decided to vote because a black candidate was available right?

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dwilcox2 | November 4, 2010 8:54 PM |

So who was your pick?

I picked CC. He's 3rd in the NFL for TE catches.

But the most valuable guy has been BB16. He should have 2 TDs and has flipped the field for the O a few times a game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Why do idiots think cutting out carbs will help you lose weight?

If carbs were the source of making people fat, then what purpose do fat, calories, sugar and cholesterol serve?

What ever happened to good ole fashioned exercise?

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I picked Trent Williams. Just figured he was doing the best.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Why do imbeciles get upset when the government wants to rid our country of illegal immigrants. What part of "illegal" don't these morons understand?

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Do entertainers influence our youth to vote democrat?

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse


Why do idiots think cutting out carbs will help you lose weight?

If carbs were the source of making people fat, then what purpose do fat, calories, sugar and cholesterol serve?

What ever happened to good ole fashioned exercise?

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:04 PM |

folks with health concerns like diabetes need to watch their diet, this we know. damn idiots


Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

go vote-don't be a hater

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Your chance to vote was Tuesday, you nincompoop.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:06 PM
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Back off on pabrian, Diesel. The poor kid is saving up, scrimping and scrounging every dime so he can afford to pay for his assectomy to get rid of his rectal-cranial inversion. Under Obama's healthcare plan he would have gotten the procedure done for free but now that the Repulbicans are going to repeal it, he's a little tense from having to gather all of that cash.

Hang in there Pabrian. There's light at the end of that colon, Buddy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

red skin head, is that how you give oral or are you chaffing?

hiiii yooooooo

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 4, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

But the most valuable guy has been BB16. He should have 2 TDs and has flipped the field for the O a few times a game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 9:01 PM

You're a day early. Banks will be the easy winner of tomorrow's special teams poll.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

You're a day early. Banks will be the easy winner of tomorrow's special teams poll.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 9:26 PM

MVP of the Special Teams

A. Banks
B. Gano
C. Lo-A
D. Sellers
E. Wilson
F. Doughty

I'll go with Banks followed by Lo-A then Sellers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Debaitor | November 4, 2010 9:00 PM

Debaitor = Chia_Pet

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I'll go with Banks followed by Lo-A then Sellers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 9:30 PM
What?!?! You're not going with Reed Block-in-the-Back Doughty?

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Debaitor = That guy on the boat who always smells of dead fish, rancid squid, and worms.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

We've only seen it on special teams but Banks is the one guy we've got who actually scares opponents. And that's a recent development. We're never scary on offense. Portis has been nice over the years, Cooley too, but we've been looking for a #1 receiver for like 20 years now. It's pretty pathetic.

Posted by: mack1 | November 4, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep = one who makes false assumptions.

beep-beep = one who plays with the entrails of dead horses.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | November 4, 2010 9:49 PM

Agreed. I find it hard to believe that the Shanahans don't seem to be trying to find a way to use him on offense. He was effective on WR screens in the preseason. I'd bet he would be dangerous on a reverse or end-around. Send him deep and see if the secondary can keep up with him. Even just having him on the field as a decoy might create some openings for other players. He's a unique talent that defenses would have to account for. It makes no sense not to try and find ways to get him on the field more.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

It makes no sense not to try and find ways to get him on the field more.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 10:05 PM

He's the fastest guy on the field but his middle school physique wouldn't hold up. He's a guy that is deadly in space but I'd fear for his life in the wildcat. I'd cosign a few plays a game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

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But hey, we suggest you skip the test. I mean... you undoubtedly already know you're a jerk of the highest order. Let's cut to the chase, shall we?

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3. Work on your self-esteem

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Quick like a hamster, beep-beep.

Time is short.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 4, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

It makes no sense not to try and find ways to get him on the field more.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 10:05 PM

He's the fastest guy on the field but his middle school physique wouldn't hold up. He's a guy that is deadly in space but I'd fear for his life in the wildcat. I'd cosign a few plays a game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

He does kick returns. The only time during football when 1 guy is pretty much guaranteed to get the ball, and 11 other guys are running full speed and trying to kill you.

Put him on offense...Might as well use him as the third receiver IMO.

Redskins get back on track 2nd half...7-1 or 6-2.

brandon Banks will be just fine sunshine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I want a Brandon Banks jersey.

He is definitely the most fun player to watch on the Redskins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

He's the fastest guy on the field but his middle school physique wouldn't hold up. He's a guy that is deadly in space but I'd fear for his life in the wildcat. I'd cosign a few plays a game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 10:15 PM

I agree that he's probably not an every down kind of guy, but a couple of plays here and there might be enough to scare/trick defenses into doing stupid things. If his presence on offense creates even one big play per game, either by him or someone else when he is a decoy, that can make a huge impact.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

brandon Banks will be just fine sunshine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 10:43 PM

BB16 is special. He can take it to the house everytime he touches the ball or he could be broken in half. I'd like to see him out there for 5-10 plays on Offense.

He gives me a "fear boner" (courtesy of The League).

Good night sunshine

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I agree that he's probably not an every down kind of guy, but a couple of plays here and there might be enough to scare/trick defenses into doing stupid things. If his presence on offense creates even one big play per game, either by him or someone else when he is a decoy, that can make a huge impact.


Posted by: kaasmaster

He's an every down Kick/Punt Returner and appears to be a pretty good one too. That's it.....

Posted by: dcwun | November 4, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

BB16 is special. He can take it to the house everytime he touches the ball or he could be broken in half. I'd like to see him out there for 5-10 plays on Offense.

He gives me a "fear boner" (courtesy of The League).

Good night sunshine

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

he's been popped a couple times on the sideline this year, and I thought "Oh No!".

But he just gets right up...the kid is tough.

nighty-night diesel.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Give Brandon Banks a few screen passes and see what happens.

I'm going to look for his jersey online.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

MADELEINE, this place reeks of MOLE!!! BRING me THE STOAT!!!

http://tuxxie.org/predators/mammals.html

Posted by: frak | November 5, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee0ZQ4uoCcM&feature=player_embedded

Looks to me that Lo-A caused the fumble on Choice.

Either way....F Dallas

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 5, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

Jason Whitlock is actually capable of being pretty funny when he's not wearing out the magnetic strip on the race card:


"If Tom Brady and Gisele Bundchen ever break up, I bet she points to Brady’s manipulation of Moss as the moment she recognized Brady was capable of pimp-level deception.

Seriously, game recognizes game and what Brady has pulled off is game at its highest level.

The Patriots put a clown suit on Moss on the field and Moss walked around the field hugging every Patriot and then whined in his postgame press conference about missing “every helmet” in the New England locker room.

He has no clue the Patriots didn’t give him a new contract and traded him because they never loved him. They hit it and quit it.

Randy is the crazy ex-girlfriend that you take calls from and return her texts for several months because you don’t want to be responsible if she does something drastic. Brady is letting Moss down easy. He knows it's important for Moss to be able to brag that “me and Tom exchanged text messages last night. He still loves me and wants me back.”

By January, Brady will have a new cell-phone number and he hopes Vince Young, Brett Favre or some other NFL quarterback will be satisfying the needy and insecure receiver."

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 5:56 AM | Report abuse


happy friday folks !

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse


Looks to me that Lo-A caused the fumble on Choice.

Either way....F Dallas

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 5, 2010 2:29 AM |

looks like you're right

draft, then the final pieces thru FA's

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is the only answer. Where would this team be without his guile and ability to escape trouble? Moss and Cooley have been great but without McNabb's ability to move around some of the balls they've caught wouldn't have even been thrown.

Posted by: largetony86 | November 5, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is the only answer. Where would this team be without his guile and ability to escape trouble? Moss and Cooley have been great but without McNabb's ability to move around some of the balls they've caught wouldn't have even been thrown.

Posted by: largetony86 | November 5, 2010 6:36 AM

I agree. Now, imagine if Snyder had gone full-out Snyder and locked up Vick when he came out of the slammer. hessone would still be mumbling his "boycott $nyder mantra" and we'd be 6-2.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is the only answer. Where would this team be without his guile and ability to escape trouble? Moss and Cooley have been great but without McNabb's ability to move around some of the balls they've caught wouldn't have even been thrown.

Posted by: largetony86 | November 5, 2010 6:36 AM


100% agree. You can't assess McNabb's impact by simply looking at the box score...the stuff he's doing to help us win is mostly intangible. Hopefully, the numbers can catch up as well once we get the 2nd half of the season going...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Now, imagine if Snyder had gone full-out Snyder and locked up Vick when he came out of the slammer. hessone would still be mumbling his "boycott $nyder mantra" and we'd be 6-2.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 6:45 AM


How do you figure we'd be 6-2? A big reason Vick's had success in Philly is because they have a good organizational structure, good QB coaching, and McNabb essentially taught him how to prepare like a pro football player instead of a disgruntled office worker. I'm pretty sure none of those things happen if he walks into the Zorn debacle last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse


I agree. Now, imagine if Snyder had gone full-out Snyder and locked up Vick when he came out of the slammer. hessone would still be mumbling his "boycott $nyder mantra" and we'd be 6-2.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 6:45 AM |

now beep, stop living in the past

tough to beat a division opponent, the eagles in this case, twice in one year. hoping vick will have visions of dhall and kmoore dancing in his head

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse


also beep, are you too proud to say good morning ? jeesh

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure none of those things happen if he walks into the Zorn debacle last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 6:58 AM |

I'm not talking about last year. I'm talking about this year. I'm not talking about Zorn. I'm talking about Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan.

Anyway, it didn't happen so we'll never know. I say 6-2, you say 2-6. Agree to agree: 6-2.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

also beep, are you too proud to say good morning ? jeesh

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:12 AM

It's not about pride. It's about good manners. I smiled and nodded.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

tough to beat a division opponent, the eagles in this case, twice in one year. hoping vick will have visions of dhall and kmoore dancing in his head

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:06 AM


I don't care what's in his head...I just hope they dance on his chest cavity again...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I'm just sayin' that's a stretch since to have Vick in 2010 we would have had to get him in 2009. And even if he only played for Shanahan, who's to say he'd be any better at picking up this offense than McNabb has been? Apparently, mobility and the ability to make a play when there isn't one just isn't as important to Shanahan as running his precious scheme to perfection...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse


ok beep, you got it, hope you're having a great morning.

brown, bet you'd take AH sitting on vick's chest cavity and blasting a big one. they might just go ahead and plant a tombstone right where vick lays

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I want a Brandon Banks jersey.

He is definitely the most fun player to watch on the Redskins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 4, 2010 10:48 PM
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They only ocme in small sizes. You think his jersey number is 16 but if you look really hard you can see the decimal point in front of the 1. Oh, and did you hear Banks' hobby is playing handball with the curb? I'm not saying the guy is small, but the Redskins had to paint the helmet colors on a thimble just to get him a helmet that would fit...

BTW, love Banks, too, but holy cow, the guy is small. He looks like a little kid playing with grown men.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

also beep, are you too proud to say good morning ? jeesh

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:12 AM

It's not about pride. It's about good manners. I smiled and nodded.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 7:17 AM
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The morning after is always awkward, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

brown, bet you'd take AH sitting on vick's chest cavity and blasting a big one. they might just go ahead and plant a tombstone right where vick lays

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:59 AM


Are you kidding? They'd probably have to build a new stadium...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

They only ocme in small sizes. You think his jersey number is 16 but if you look really hard you can see the decimal point in front of the 1. Oh, and did you hear Banks' hobby is playing handball with the curb? I'm not saying the guy is small, but the Redskins had to paint the helmet colors on a thimble just to get him a helmet that would fit...

BTW, love Banks, too, but holy cow, the guy is small. He looks like a little kid playing with grown men.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:10 AM


Actually, due to popular demand they're going to start selling them in "smedium" as well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

hope you're having a great morning.

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:59 AM

This morning I'm in Accomac, VA. You can't have a bad morning in Accomac. Especially when the wife, kids, and dog are all in DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

This morning I'm in Accomac, VA. You can't have a bad morning in Accomac. Especially when the wife, kids, and dog are all in DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I didn't know they built a McDonalds in Accomac. Wow, you learn something new every day!!!

I thought hess would be over keeping you company by now!

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

love Banks, too, but holy cow, the guy is small. He looks like a little kid playing with grown men.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:10 AM


It's like one of the real players thought it was "take your kid to work day" and dressed him up in a little uniform and let him come out on the field. "Gee, dad, this is fun. What should I do now?"

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse


This morning I'm in Accomac, VA. You can't have a bad morning in Accomac. Especially when the wife, kids, and dog are all in DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:18 AM |

going fishing beep ?

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Good morning hessone.

I'll start off the morning with the much anticipated PlayAction's Lock Tight 100% Guaranteed Prediction for this week --

Redksins 0, BYE 0

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse


Good morning hessone.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 8:29 AM |

top of the morning too you play

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

This morning I'm in Accomac, VA. You can't have a bad morning in Accomac. Especially when the wife, kids, and dog are all in DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:18 AM |

going fishing beep ?

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 8:25 AM
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The goose hunting is pretty popular at this time of year on the Eastern Shore. Good old US 13. That has to be the flatest stretch of road east of the Mississippi...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

What bothers me the most.. is the criticism McNabb appears to be taking from the Shanahans....McNabb isn't a mystery....He's been in this league over a decade


And when you look at the tryouts given to Willie Parker/Larry Johnson, and game time to Joey Galloway, it makes you wonder if the Shanahans are stuck in the NFL from about 5 years ago.

Maybe what they watched of these players was an endless loop of highlight reels of them making great plays in the Fall of 2005.

We should all chip in and get them a calender.

Maybe then they'll see the folly of depending on guys who used to be good.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse


Actually, due to popular demand they're going to start selling them in "smedium" as well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 8:17 AM
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They're coming out with new sizes just for his jersey: small, extra-small, extra-extra-small, and Pabrian.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

They're coming out with new sizes just for his jersey: small, extra-small, extra-extra-small, and Pabrian.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:36 AM

Careful though...no refunds on the Pabrian...and I heard they are all mis-printed with the number 17.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

also beep, are you too proud to say good morning ? jeesh

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 7:12 AM

It's not about pride. It's about good manners. I smiled and nodded.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 7:17 AM
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The morning after is always awkward, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:12 AM

I laughed at this

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 5, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse


The morning after is always awkward, isn't it?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:12 AM

I laughed at this

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 5, 2010 8:41 AM |

good stuff

Posted by: hessone | November 5, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

The goose hunting is pretty popular at this time of year on the Eastern Shore. Good old US 13. That has to be the flatest stretch of road east of the Mississippi...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:33 AM

The highest point on the Virginia part of the Eastern Shore is 30 feet above sea level. As the oceans continue to rise, the Route 13 Causeway will be a picturesque ride. You'll be able to see the Atlantic out one side and the Chesapeake out the other for about 85 miles.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 5, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Only 1 hour and 15 anxious minutes until the final chapter of the Epic Redskins Insider Bye Week Trilogy! Yes!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Today is a Moe Mental Health Day.

I'm not at work and my co-workers are thankful.

Without me around, someone else will have take that after lunch dump that stinks up the unisex bathroom for hours.

The women will have to ask someone else what is it that he eats that comes out smelling like microwaved roadkill.

It makes me no nevermind.

And if prepared properly, roadkill satisfies like a late night snickers bar.

I am enjoying the quiet of a house where the wife and children have taken to the Florida turnpike for a weekend trip to Tampa.

Today, I intend to get all those chores done.

NOT!!!

The lawn will be mowed, flower beds cleared, check book balanced, fruit trees pruned, and mistamoe's glorious SUV detailed.

NOT!!!

Saturday morning I will awake in a quiet house where my own trumpeting farts will signal my arrival.

Ahhhh, yes!

Happiness is a man with no one around to point out what he hasn't done.

And pleasure, his not caring that he hasn't done anything he didn't want to do.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

mrsmoe's glorious SUV detailed


fixed it for ya.....

beep, you out chasing stripers or you after tuni.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

beep, you out chasing stripers or you after tuni.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 8:57 AM

Stripers or strippers? I buy whatever's on sale at the Wal-Mart.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

So what is it for today? Redskins at the bye week: Special Teams followed by a poll as to who the special teams MVP is.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

So what is it for today? Redskins at the bye week: Special Teams followed by a poll as to who the special teams MVP is.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 5, 2010 9:05 AM

May I go ahead and vote for BB now...and head home?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Good morning hessone.

I'll start off the morning with the much anticipated PlayAction's Lock Tight 100% Guaranteed Prediction for this week --

Redksins 0, BYE 0

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, I'm sure if we COULD find a way to lose during a bye, we would!!!
Oops, Reid Doughty just got called for another holding penalty, canceling ANOTHER BB touchdown. Word is he cried, threw a tantrum, then got changed and laid down for a nap! Poor little guy......

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I split the award between Brandon Banks and LoAx.

I can't find a Brandon Banks jersey.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Agent says Jeter's value can't be overstated

Jeter: I just want the same kind of compensation Donovan McNabb and other 35 year professional athletes want.

I want financial security.

Yankees: We want financial security, too.

That's why we've traded you for Kevin Kolb.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, yes!

Happiness is a man with no one around to point out what he hasn't done.

And pleasure, his not caring that he hasn't done anything he didn't want to do.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I hear you Moe. I'm here at our beach house, and wife is in Galveston with girlfriends for the weekend. Sure is quiet. Ahhh.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I can't find a Brandon Banks jersey.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I know, tiny ain't it?

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

moe, no way they don't bring Jeet back....his game is still strong...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

This morning I'm in Accomac, VA. You can't have a bad morning in Accomac. Especially when the wife, kids, and dog are all in DC.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:18 AM |

Buying that old colonial home that's for sale there this a.m. beep?

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 5, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I split the award between Brandon Banks and LoAx.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 5, 2010 9:14 AM

I wonder if the Hit Stick will make a push for MVP.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

don't know, I'm sure if we COULD find a way to lose during a bye, we would!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:11 AM

Nearly posted Redskins 24, BYE 20...old habits die hard.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Hit Stick will make a push for MVP.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

This just in: PlayAction has just been fined $20,000 from the league for saying the words "Hit Stick"!

Wow PA, can you afford that?

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Maybe its too early and my eyes are still blurry, but I could have sworn I saw a FredEx sighting further up the board. That guy should be on a milk carton, and a former first-rounder, if I recall.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 5, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

no way they don't bring Jeet back....his game is still strong...

Derek Jeter is not going anywhere.

So let him and Mo Riviera dangle in the wind for awhile.

They are both worth 2-3 years deal at around 30 mil per annum.

The cheap Steinbrenner sons, though, will let them hang until 20-25 million for fewer years (2) is what gets signed.

There are obvious issues with age and declining performance with one player, and the need for too much rest, non-use for the other that makes it pointless to keep them past 3 years.

With the mythology surrounding him, Derek Jeter is worth the world.

But with his already being wealthy and famous, he'd be hard-pressed to demand 'financial security' from the people--and Yankee brand--that's already made him secure.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

moe, no way they don't bring Jeet back....his game is still strong...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 9:17 AM


I hear his pimp hand is too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 5, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The goose hunting is pretty popular at this time of year on the Eastern Shore. Good old US 13. That has to be the flatest stretch of road east of the Mississippi...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 8:33 AM

The highest point on the Virginia part of the Eastern Shore is 30 feet above sea level. As the oceans continue to rise, the Route 13 Causeway will be a picturesque ride. You'll be able to see the Atlantic out one side and the Chesapeake out the other for about 85 miles.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 5, 2010 8:44 AM
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Yep, know it well. I grew up in Millsboro, Delaware and, when I was in the Navy, I was stationed down in Norfolk. I used to wear 13 out trying to get home for a few weekends before we deployed again. If the water level rose that high they would have to raise 13. There are parts that used to flood whenever a hurricane went through. Maybe we'd have one long Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel from Norfolk to Philadelphia...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This just in: PlayAction has just been fined $20,000 from the league for saying the words "Hit Stick"!

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:23 AM

Great...put it on my tab.

Did this joint just turn into Yankees Insider?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

moe, no way they don't bring Jeet back....his game is still strong...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 9:17 AM

He's reached Gehrig, DiMaggio, Berra, and Mantle status as far as franchise history goes. Having him suit up for the Angels for the last few years of his career would be an embarrassment the Yankess can't abide. They will dance a little in the press and pay him more than he's actually worth at this point.
Players who reach that status enjoy the benefits of having the team over the barrel. For their part though, fairness would demand they retire when they aren't of any real use any more (Jeter's not there now) instead of squeezing one more contract out of them or forcing them to actually let you go elsewhere and do the Willie Mays in a Mets' uni deal.
Not going to happen in this case. Jeter has too much dignity for that. He wants this one to be in the ARod range though.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Yep, know it well. I grew up in Millsboro, Delaware

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Awesome. I live in Laurel and my in-laws live in Millsboro. Gotta love the Hick Towns of Slower Lower Delaware!

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

So what is it for today?


I suggest All NFL topics.

Today's Poll:

At the mid way point, we might be the BEST AFC Playoff matchup?

a. Pats v. Ravens

b. Stillers v. Colts

c. Titans v. Jets

d. Chiefs v. Raiders


Doesn't matter: the AFC is the BEST conference as the top 5 teams in the league come from that conference.

It doesn't mean the NFC can't win the Super Bowl.

It just means if an NFC team does beat one of the top 4-5 AFC teams in the Super Bowl, it'll be a heck of a game.

Which is why it'll be nice to see the Pats lose it.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Yep, know it well. I grew up in Millsboro, Delaware

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Awesome. I live in Laurel and my in-laws live in Millsboro. Gotta love the Hick Towns of Slower Lower Delaware!

Posted by: monk811 | November 5, 2010 9:34 AM
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I wouldn't mind moving back there some day. Syracuse is nice, but I miss being close to the ocean. Lake Ontario just doesn't cut it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

b for me moe...or should I say, anything that doesn't involve the pats winning...would be fine by me.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It just means if an NFC team does beat one of the top 4-5 AFC teams in the Super Bowl, it'll be a heck of a game.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 5, 2010 9:35 AM

Most of the Super Bowls the past 15 years or so have been a heck of a game. Just remembered that the Pats last four Super Bowls have been decided by exactly 3 points...now that's something!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Yep, know it well. I grew up in Millsboro, Delaware

Posted by: RedSkinHead
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I'm from Kent Cty Md. Slower Shore has nothing on the upper bay!

Posted by: manlius1 | November 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

STUPID WORTHLESS BORING beeps

Posted by: PlayAction | November 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

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