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Shanahan knew 'something wrong' with Cooley

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan didn't offer any hopeful words on the status of tight end Chris Cooley, who was knocked out of Sunday's game with a concussion.

Cooley was not seen in the locker room following the game, and Shanahan said it was pretty obvious that the reliable tight end had his bell rung in Sunday's 27-24 loss to the Colts.

"I knew just looking at him," Shanahan said. "You could tell that there was something wrong. I really don't know when it was. I just looked at him on the sideline and could tell that there was something wrong."

Cooley was taken to the locker room late in the third quarter and did not return. At the time of the injury, he led the Redskins with five receptions. (He finished the game with 37 yards.)

Shanahan might offer an update Monday, but with concussions, it typically takes several days before teams can offer anything meaningful about a player's prognosis.

Possibly making matters worse for Cooley: This is apparently not his first concussion. Cooley has said that he suffered at least three in college.

By Rick Maese  | October 18, 2010; 12:56 AM ET
Categories:  Chris Cooley, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

I hate this for Cooley, but doggone if I'm not delighted for Vinny Cerrato... his decision to draft Fred Davis when we had a Pro Bowl tight end is looking good for the second straight season. Hooray for being proven right via injuries!

Ugh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

A few comments on the game from a Skins fan in Washington State.
1. Time for Sleepy to show up
2. We need a DB that can hang on to the ball. There were easily 3 INT's in that game.
3. We need one good interior OL.
4. It's time for AH to start playing
5. When I looked at the schedule I thought if we could win four games out of the first eight we would be lucky-now I will be a little disappointed
6. To the people who don't like Coach, we lose this game by a good margin last year and have no more than one win
7. Armstrong and Torain will be around for a while.
8. Would it be possible to get an announcer who isn't our opposing teams homer. Is it just me or does it seem that whether we win or lose the announcers always talk about how great the opposition is.
9. One last thing-when was last time you can remember having to play not just the caliber of QB's we have to start the season but also the DE's that our tackles have gone against.
Oh and Dallas lost so the day wasn't a total loss.

Posted by: jandlml | October 18, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Also, anybody left out there who doesn't think it's time to get serious about head injuries at every level of football?

It's inexcusable for Cris Collinsworth to talk about how totally awesome it was for five-year-old LaRon to lie about his age so he could play with older kids and start to establish his hard-hitting reputation. On a day when a bunch more dudes went down to head injuries in a league which *should* be taking this issue much, much seriously than they appear to be doing.

You can't have it both ways... the league and the union can't expect anyone to believe they give a damn about player health (in the near term, let alone the long term) when they persist in praising the awesomeness of gigantic hits.

Even this post from Maese employs the familiar euphemism "bell rung," which I think we can all agree is a cutesy way of saying "endured some degree of brain injury."

Again I say unto you, ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you bring up some great points about hypocrisy. (I love exposing hypocrisy. It's like finding money in your couch cushions)

But, as long as helmets and shoulder pads are worn, there will be violent explosive hits. What are the purpose of shoulder pads?

To protect your shoulders? I disagree. They DO protect your shoulders however when launching one, top f'ing speed, into another player.

Make the head off limits and a 15 yard penalty for lowering your head when you have the ball and I'm not sure people keep tuning in.

We love the violence. I'll vote for wearing flags. It's much more simple to transition, without all the years of hand-wringing.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 18, 2010 2:59 AM | Report abuse

you boys are over analyzing this AH92 thing.

Basic facts: AH92 trekked around the Eastern US burying his brother and dealing with those issues. He probably slept very little. It was an emotionally draining and mentally exhausting six days. Shanahan met with him when he got back and had a chance to evaluate how he was doing. He found him to be emotionally drained and mentally exhausted. Reports out of Redskins Park verify this situation. Shanahan made the easy decision to sit him for the week.

He simply wasn't ready to get ready to play. Nobody was at fault. Nobody was trying to punk anybody. After sitting out, now he can fully participate in the preparation for Chicago. Its really that simple.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 18, 2010 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Good points, Thinker and Kaneohe. Complicated issues, and I won't pretend to have all the facts or have anything more than a simplistic take on either (Albert or head injuries). But that's why we have the internet, so dopes like me can voice uninformed opinions :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 3:28 AM | Report abuse

I also love the internet, as a dope such as.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 18, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Point by point responses to jandlml, my comrade from the great state of Washington:

1. Fred Davis will be fine. He's waaaay down the list of things to worry about on this squad, down there with the place kicker.
2. Seems like we're due for some "good luck" on catching INTs, given all the bad luck we've had, doesn't it?
3. I'd say we need two good, relatively young interior OL. Top priority for the coming offseason, in my opinion.
4. Agreed that it's time for Albert to be playing. Maybe the silver lining to his family tragedy is that the time he's missed will serve as a "reset" for him and the coaching staff and it will be smooth sailing the rest of the way. I hope.
5. I was hoping for 8-8 this season, so 3-3 looks right on track. I'm not happy with the way it happened, especially getting our butts kicked by STL (which looks better every week, though, doesn't it?), but I never expected to win tonight's game, and to come back and lose it so closely felt good.
6. Absolutely a different team under Shanny, six games in, than we've been used to. Competence and "fight" count for so much.
7. Loving Armstrong and Torain. A reminder that you don't have to waste high picks and FA dollars on skill positions; get cheap, fast, hungry guys and set 'em loose in a solid system, with a good to great O line and QB, and you'll be fine.
8. I reckon every fan feels aggrieved about the announcers, no matter what team is involved; we just think it's particular to us.
9. It's the NFL... we go against at least a few great players every week. That's the way the league is engineered, and that's how it oughta be, frankly. I'm never going to complain about that, because I want my team to excel against the best possible competition. That's why I want the NFC East to be acknowledged as the best division in the league, so it means more to compete in -- and win -- that division.

Also, F Dallas. May they win just enough games the rest of the way -- except the rematch with the Skins, of course -- to save Wade's job so he can continue sucking next season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I am a Dallas fan against every NFC team they play from here on out... especially iggles and ginas. Its a strange confluence of events, but it is what it is. They have underwhelmed so spectacularly that we now need them to help us by beating other NFC foes in competition for playoff spots.

Next Monday: ginas at pokes. go tony go.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 18, 2010 3:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh, good golly, hell yes, Kaneohe, I relish Dallas in the spoiler role the rest of the way.

But I still want them to finish last in the NFC East... and I still don't think the Skins can win the division this year (much as I'd love it).

And I want the Giants to start losing games, pronto.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Five Thoughts: Colts 27, Redskins 24
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
10/18/10 1:38 AM EDT


1. The Redskins got caught vs. the run. The problem facing Peyton Manning is that you need to play for the pass and you want to give him different looks. So the Redskins would spent a lot of time shifting before the snap. It did cause problems at times but the reason Indianapolis could run the ball so well is that they caught the Redskins doing too much movement. That left some defenders unable to get to their gaps and Joseph Addai ran a little crazy because of it; he had too many clean holes. As Brian Orakpo said, “You have linebackers and defensive backs going against 315 pounders. You do the math.” Even I can add that one up and if you’re wrong, it’s a mismatch. But that’s the problem; if you play Manning straight up, he hits you with the pass all day. He does what he needs to in order to win. The Redskins did counter a little late in the game by using Kedric Golston in their dime package; sometimes he would stand up and rush. But it added a 300-pounder to help vs. the run.
2. Missed opportunities. It’s obvious, but the Redskins aren’t good enough to drop as many interceptions as they did vs. Manning. It’s like facing a pitcher like Roy Halladay who feeds you a meatball down the middle and you swing and miss. You just don’t get that many chances. Carlos Rogers dropped a pick; and had his hands on another. Kareem Moore dropped two. The game changes on those picks. Moore covers ground back there, but he still has a long ways to go. He missed too many tackles – again – and didn’t make up for it with the big play. The Colts did not get a lot deep, save for the Pierre Garcon 57-yard touchdown. Moore is a work in progress.
3. Manning is awesome. Another obvious statement. But there were times when the wideouts were turning and the ball is right on their hands. Once, safety Reed Doughty had Dallas Clark covered inside, but he turned it more inside and Manning read it, staying patient and delivering the ball sidearm to a perfect spot. It’s damn hard to defend a guy like that when he’s on his game. Manning also tired out the Redskins’ defense, and prevented a lot of substitutions, by keeping a fast tempo, whether from a hurry-up or quick huddles. He’s like a point guard in basketball who knows how to control the pace of a game. And yet the Redskins still had chances. Sometimes Manning’s throws are perfect, but that also means if he’s off a smidgen it’s an opportunity. Manning was a surgeon at times.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

4. The Redskins run game worked well. The Colts are a fast front, but Washington did a much better job of sealing the ends and also creating some good cutback lanes. But the real credit goes to Ryan Torain. Can’t wait to see how many times he made guys miss in the backfield. But when he turned upfield, the key is that his shoulders were square and that his feet were quick. He seemed to make the first guy miss all the time. He looks so different than the guy we saw this summer and it’s mostly because of how much lower he’s running.
5. The Redskins really missed Albert Haynesworth. Jeremy Jarmon was not a good matchup vs. the Colts; he got driven out of his gap too many times. And Vonnie Holliday is a bit small for this matchup. They really could have used Haynesworth’s combination of size and speed. It would have given them someone who could have penetrated some gaps and maybe disrupted more plays. That said, I’m sure the Colts would have allowed him to penetrate to a side and hit them the other way. Still, he would have held his ground better than what the others were able to do. I wasn’t surprised that he was inactive; he’s someone who hasn’t yet learned all the nuances of this defense and he missed a day of work. Didn’t think he’d have a good grasp of the game plan. But he was missed.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Five-Thoughts-Colts-27-Redskins-24-105155954.html#ixzz12hjNmSDF

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Disappointed with the result but pleased with the attitude. We played another SB tough and had a chance to win.

I have a feeling the 'Skins will be one of the teams to watch down the stretch. The fact is that Shanahan has turned a 4-12 team into a side that can compete with anyone.

This isn't like Zorn's first 8 games, where every bit of fortune went our way. We've dealt with adversity (some admittedly self-made!) and are in a position to have a good season.

The division will be a dog-fight, where teams beat each other, and we're 2-0 already. The Jints look good right now, but they've got all three division teams to play twice, as well as away games in Green Bay an Minny to come - tough schedule.

The Iggles still have to play the Colts, Minny, Houston, us in Washington and the Jints and C*wb*ys twice - again, tough.

If we can win in Chicago and Detroit before the bye, I like our chances.

Oh, and can I recommend subscribing to the D*ll*s Moaning News - high comedy!

HTTR!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | October 18, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I, of course, meant "SB contender". D'oh!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | October 18, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Well good game I love the fact that this team has a chance to win every week. To bad about Cooley, Davis will have to step up like he did last year.

What a POS AH is instead of being on the sidelines supporting his team, he's sitting up in a booth with his wife. Give me a break I will be happy if they trade this A-Hole for Steak & Cheese.

For anyone coming on here claiming how he makes a difference for us if he plays I call BS, he doesn't like the game and has no heart. I would rather stay with the guys we have, atleast they give a sh+t about there teamates and the fans.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

The word "compassion" is not in Shanahan's vocabulary. He is 100% about winning football games. Depending on your point of view, that's either a glaring personality disorder or a virtue. Gibbs would have given Albert a big fat hug.

Posted by: howjensen

I dunno. Keeping an out of shape, unprepared, emotionally scarred $100 million dollar bust from embarrassing himself on the field, or dying of a heart attack seems pretty compassionate to me.

Oh, and how do you know Shanahan didn't give him a big fat hug?

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Agree Cork with the lack of substitutions AH would have been laying on the field after about 10 plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible we that we could petition the league to throw the flag for intentional grounding when opposing qb's throw the ball at Rogers?

Posted by: Gweez | October 18, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Five Thoughts: Colts 27, Redskins 24

1. The Redskins got caught vs. the run. The problem facing Peyton Manning is that you need to play for the pass and you want to give him different looks.

By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer

Allow me to retort.

Actually, the problem facing Peyton Manning is you are facing Peyton Manning. All Redskin losses hurt, but watching Manning carve up Haslet's "stategery" was liking watching Picasso in a paint-off against your five year old.

His So-called "Amoeba" defense managed to hold Manning to a mere 469 yards of offense. Manning was constantly ahead of the defense--what else is new? The man is far ahead of any other QB in his ability to make critical decisions on the fly--in fact, far ahead of any coach he goes against. He even knew which Redskin DBs would drop his interceptable passes.

And Haslet is no rocket surgeon. He's taken a top ten defense and turned it into the worst in the NFL.

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Can't really blame the defense that much because they did what they are supposed to do, give the offense an opportunity to win the game. Of course though, 3 dropped picks didn't help at all but bottom line is we just needed a TD with 2:33 left with 3 timeouts.. on our 38 yard line!! I think K. Shanny wants some of those play calls back. I don't understand how you can throw a 50 yard bomb that sails 20 yards over everyone on 4th and 10. McNabb missed Fred Davis wide open on that play. Again I can see why Philly fans were frustrated with him. He can be extremely unaccurate at times. He can look amazing one drive then the next overthrew receivers or throw it into the ground. Very frustrating, but he still makes some amazing plays by escaping pressure. Woulda liked to see him run a few times last night, but oh well.

This was a tortrous stretch that we went through but we came out of it 2-1, I'll take 3-3. We played Philly, GB, Indy... I'd like to see Philly or Giants play Indy and see how they do. I bet not really well. Bears and Lions up next are huge. NFC east is still wide open and it only helps that Dallas is not threatening right now.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should be 0-6.

Your team is awful, your coach is clueless, you QB routinely chokes and your owner still thinks he can buy championships.

Since you have the oldest team in the league it isn't getting any better anytime soon.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

disappointing night for the db's, the offensive playcalling, and the defense in general....can't drop that many int's and expect to win...offensive playcalling after the addai fumble was poor...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

And Haslet is no rocket surgeon. He's taken a top ten defense and turned it into the worst in the NFL.

Posted by: TheCork

The yards allowed are very alarming but we've faced three great offenses in a row. 3 great quarterbacks, including the best one ever. (Yes, I called Kolb "great") I think pretty much every team looks like that against Peyton Manning. I'm happy this defense causes turnovers.. that's the only thing that kept us in the game. Think about it, we could've had about 6 turnovers. One more and it could've been the difference, since that one Kareem had in his chest subsequently led to Indy's second TD. We just gotta take advantage of opportunities with Manning because he doesn't give you many. And when he did, we didn't capitalize. Ball game. I've just come to accept the fact that Los will never be able to catch. Like everyone's been saying, Los wants that big contract, but he's not gonna get it because of this issue.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Hah seems like you're speaking about your own team... dbag. how does 1-4 feel? losers. you have by far the worst coach in the league, I hope you never fire him b/c I love watching you guys lose and embarrass yourselves. and romo, what a choke.. most overrated qb in the league.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

"I saw a lot of great things today," said McNabb, who finished 29 of 45 for 246 yards, a touchdown and two interceptions."


In the year Donovan McNabb is working to earn an extension, the dude himself is like a coin--he has two sides.

One side is the leader, media personality who is altogether compelling.

The other side is the erratic passer whose occasional cut-fastballs into the dirt and weird overthrows annoy.

Thing is, when you grant a player an expensive extension, you pay both guys.

When all you want is the one you hope makes you complete and a contender.

In five weeks as a redskin, we've yet to see from Donovan McNabb the complete, game to game, 4 quarter controlled masterful performance we saw out of Peyton Manning last night.

And yet, we want to assign McNabb to the same elite quarterback class presently occupied by the Bradys', Schaubs', Flaccos', Brees', Mannings', and Roethlisbergers' of the world.

And those guys are on point game in and game out.

5 games into the 2010 season, it seems at times we've replaced a young Jason Campbell with an older version of himself, just in a #5 jersey.

When you spend the afternoon spinning around to different NFL games, you see that there are a lot of young, accurate passers from Josh Freeman to Matt Cassell to Sam Bradford.

And you wonder if the redskins should 'train up' a young'n instead of bestowing a ton 'o money and attention to a player in McNabb who is essentially a finished 35 year old product.

Perhaps the rest of the season for McNabb should be an audition for next season--just as it has been for so many players this year.

The 2010 Washington Redskins are far from a finished product.

The rest of this season should be spent determining if the starting quarterback already is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

There is absolutely no shame in losing to a tough team. And for all those STUPID idiots who were saying that Manning is showing his age and has lost a step: exactly what has he lost, and where??? Dude has the mind of a computer and can read defenses better than anyone, still has the touch to go deep and the arm to get it done.

Carlos Rogers had better start jacking off in his hand before the game without a tissue or something, you know, since stick-um is illegal. I didn't think ANYBODY could blow soooo many interception chances in one season, or one game for that matter.

I think I'm starting to lose faith in Gano, he needs a couple good games in a row to restore my faith in him. Other than that, Danny Smith has got 'teams' playing on all cylanders.

Torain looked good, but the announcers were right, he missed some of the cutbacks in that game that could have kept some drives going and gotten more yards, possibly more points.

It's amazing to me the amount of game changing/drive killing penalties we are getting called on us, yet when WE need the flag thrown on them the refs seem to look the other way! F the Zebras this year, they suck!

I question the play calling at the end, not so sure we should have thrown deep those 2 times, Kyle needs to get it together!

Sucks that we lost, but there are 2 positives:
1. It was only an AFC game, we are still 3-1 in the Conference and 2-0 in the Division. We still control our own destiny cause we play the G-men twice and the Eagles once, and I'm sure they'll fizzle out here soon.
2. DALLAS IS 1-4!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 8:35 AM

Say what you wanna say but McNabb is the best option we have right now. I would hate to see how this game turned out with Jason Campbell in there. But still disappointed he couldn't lead us to the victory at the end.

offensive playcalling after the addai fumble was poor...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Talking bout that toss sweep? I think that was the worst call of the game. Why not just run it straight at them? Makes no sense.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

monk, there is shame in having the opportunity to beat a great team, and dribbling it down the front of your shirt...which is what the redskins did last night...should have had at LEAST 3 interceptions...if a guy that the Colts picked up 2 weeks ago can make a 1 handed int...then rogers needs to be able to catch a ball that hits him in the numbers...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys have you nutjobs right where they want you. You're actually thinking you have a shot to do something this year. ROTFLMAO!!!

I told you your luck is running out. You really should be 0-6 (and you know it). Your team has been outplayed EVERY game. Expect to be blown out next week.

Sincerely,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins should be 0-6.

Your team is awful, your coach is clueless, you QB routinely chokes and your owner still thinks he can buy championships.

Since you have the oldest team in the league it isn't getting any better anytime soon.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe this dingleberry has the balls to come on here today! Look in the mirror buddy: EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT US IS TRUE FOR YOUR TEAM!

YOU should be 0-5

YOU have a QB that routinely chokes, on d*ck!!!

And it will only get worse......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So keep coming on here, you just make yourself look more STUPID!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

and romo, what a choke.. most overrated qb in the league.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:35 AM

oops, I wanted to say what a joke.. oh well, that works too

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

monk, there is shame in having the opportunity to beat a great team, and dribbling it down the front of your shirt...which is what the redskins did last night...should have had at LEAST 3 interceptions...if a guy that the Colts picked up 2 weeks ago can make a 1 handed int...then rogers needs to be able to catch a ball that hits him in the numbers...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Very true, however we didn't get blown out, and the guys are fighting till the end! If this were Zorn's team we would have folded when it was 17-7, things are progressing!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Miles Austin is a MORON.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow talk about delusional.. that's what YOU guys are. Shows what a big dbag you are still talking trash after Dallas lost the panic bowl. You're an efffing MORON if you think any team is out of it. The NFL is up in the air this year (Except for Carolina, Buffalo and Dallas.)

"Should be, should be, should be.." well we're NOT. You are what your record says, (your former coach said that.) You guys are 1-4. Okay, and you have fun watching Homo get sacked 10 times and the Giants and Hakeem Nicks score 35 points on you guys. he-he-he, as your best friend/lover would say.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Guys, the positive we can take from the first six games is that the Redskins are 3-3 instead of 1-5. Dwelling on the "what ifs" is a fruitless endeavor and an attitude of a losing team. We play the Bears and Lions in the next two weeks, and the Redskins should be able to win this game.

Donovan had another mediocre/bad game last night. Once again, I attribute this to inconsistent O-line play. Freeney and Mathis collapsed the pocket pretty quickly. DM5 was hit and hurried often. Obviously, the O-line helped Torain run, but I'm taking this with a grain of salt since the Colts run defense is bad and Torain broke a lot of tackles. The great thing was that the offense strung two drives of 89 and 92 yards.

The defense was terrible, but if there is one stat that stuck out, it was four dropped INTs. If you catch two or three of those, then you have rattled Peyton, which almost never happens.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 18, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

rachel...enough please...don't encourage them...ignore them and they go away...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"Say what you wanna say but McNabb is the best option we have right now."


What I'm saying is that McNabb will never satisfy.

He'll have spurts of great play intermixed with stretches of complete mediocrity.

We knew what we had when we got him.

But, 5 games in, I'd like to see the complete game overall performance you expect out of an 'elite' quarterback.

The comebacks and close games are getting stale.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 8:27 AM

Quotes like this are why you are a Dallas fan.

Enjoy the rest of your 2010 season looking up in the standings.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 18, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

That 3rd and 1 toss to Torain was the worst call I've seen all season. Slow back in space against a fast D?

Should have done the Donovan push up the middle, or Torain between Brown and Hicks.

And man, how close was that very last bomb to Galloway? Another yard longer that may have been 6.

McNabb missed a throw or two, but I thought he had a good game overall.

Manning missed a couple throws even more egregiously, we just couldn't come up with them.

Lorenzo and Orakpo are straight beasts.

Hope that CC47 is back this week... and AH and Rocky. Have to think if those guys had played the whole game, we may have had a better chance....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 18, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

MyPostIDisAfake,

You forgot one thing: you d-bags lost to the Rams, THE RAMS!!

Beating ANYONE is not a given for you hopeless losers! Didn't the Lions beat you last year too? he-he-he (my apologies Peterbilt).

Take Care.

Informatively,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

rachel...enough please...don't encourage them...ignore them and they go away...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 8:54 AM

This is her posse. The only reason she posts up here is to be with those guys. Last week she said "I can't wait for the Dallas crowd to show up."

rachel -- There are lots of cowboy blogs. Go post there. You can do this tit-for-tat stuff with your posse 24/7. Up here you just sound like a slightly more coherent version of peabrain.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

except i was being sarcastic.. seriously beep beep stop responding to me. you, peabrain people, no punt intended... sometimes I feel you guys are worse than Cowgirls fans. I will just scroll right pass..

At least poopy mcpoop is not as annoying as you three and can be funny sometimes.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

tampax

The Redskins should be 0-6,

but they're 3-3.

A big improvement ferom last year already. I am pleased with the effort the team brings and I think we're on the right track,

however,

the Cowboys are 1-4 and dead last in the NFC east. Their record indicates that they're no better than the lions, 49ers, and the browns. Phillips is toast and Jones gets to watch out of town teams play the SB in his ass wipe POS statium.

tampax, your best player had a meltdown yesterday that probably cost your pathetic ego driven team a win, but that's ok. The Cowboy players are a reflection of the owner and fans, all over-inflated with themselves.

this one goes out to MrIrvinAA*, tampax, 10"petersuck, and BlueStarOintment,

Cowboys wide receiver Miles Austin had a tough first half. He was flagged for excessive celebration when he leapfrogged Williams in the end zone after the first touchdown. Then, he got called for pass interference on what would've been his 68-yard touchdown catch and run when his one-handed shove of Asher Allen sent the Vikings cornerback falling to the turf.


Last week, Cowboys right tackle Marc Colombo slipped while trying to chest bump a teammate after a touchdown and got a penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct because of the NFL rule that prohibits going to the ground to celebrate.

jerry jones circus

* AA = AA battreies for his vibrator

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Rams are not that big of a joke anymore idiot. You're more stupid than I thought you were. Do yourself a favor and shut up. Rams have more effing wins than you guys. LOL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow PlayAction, I thought we were pretty close to our predictions! At least we got the 24 right!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Good points, Thinker and Kaneohe. Complicated issues, and I won't pretend to have all the facts or have anything more than a simplistic take on either (Albert or head injuries). But that's why we have the internet, so dopes like me can voice uninformed opinions :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 3:28 AM

Not that complicated at all. Even if you only use him for 10-12 plays - "Albert, go push the Center 5 yards deep into the backfield for us."

We had no push up the middle at all. Anytime they wanted to run, they blew our D line off the ball. How much worse could it have possibly been to put Albert in? How much better?

We've got him. We have to put up with the headaches anyway, why not get some benefit back in return? The games count and we need to win them.

It's not like he's an untested prima donna high round pick WR or something...

Posted by: edvar | October 18, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow PlayAction, I thought we were pretty close to our predictions! At least we got the 24 right!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 9:13 AM

Haha...was going to say the same thing monk...but too tired.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Rams are not that big of a joke anymore idiot. You're more stupid than I thought you were. Do yourself a favor and shut up. Rams have more effing wins than you guys. LOL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 9:10 AM

Thanks to the Redskins. LMFAO!!!!!!!!
The gift that keeps on giving!!!!!!

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Tampon, frekkin' hilarious. Your comedy musings always inspire..........
....the Cowboys to suck, again!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

PamperTex shouldn't you be at the Cowboys prayer breakfast this morning?And when you get there,have yourself a nice hot bowl of Cowboys suck and a tall glass of shut the hell up.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


The rest of this season should be spent determining if the starting quarterback already is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 8:35 AM |

never ever should we trade draft picks for older veterans. DMcNabb cannot run a 2 min offense with urgency and pull out these games. JBrown, another wasted draft pick, thrown to the wind.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

but watching Manning carve up Haslet's "stategery" was liking watching Picasso in a paint-off against your five year old.

His So-called "Amoeba" defense managed to hold Manning to a mere 469 yards of offense. Manning was constantly ahead of the defense--what else is new? The man is far ahead of any other QB in his ability to make critical decisions on the fly--in fact, far ahead of any coach he goes against. He even knew which Redskin DBs would drop his interceptable passes.

And Haslet is no rocket surgeon. He's taken a top ten defense and turned it into the worst in the NFL.

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse


Wow.

A rare "agree 100%" and "co-sign" with the Cork on this one.

I was up here at midnight last night b1tching about Haslett's STUPID ameoba strategy which did NOTHING to stop/confuse Peyton (300 yards/2TDs/108 rating) got almost NO pressure on him (I recall a Zo pressure that forced a short throw and Rak's strip - that's it) AND allowed one of the worst rushing teams in the NFL to post 170 yards on the ground.

Great strategery their Haslett.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow PlayAction, I thought we were pretty close to our predictions! At least we got the 24 right!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 9:13 AM

Haha...was going to say the same thing monk...but too tired.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The person that put this Sunday night game on the schedule = NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

They have 3 wins.. even if you take away the redskins game, they would have 2, still more than you. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!! You're a fool.

And speaking of the "gift that keeps giving" there's no team that does that more than you cowgirls. No reason you should be 1-4 with all that talent. But you have a clown as your head coach.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Rachel,

I only speak the truth about the woeful Redskins and this it the thanks I get?

You delusional Redskins fans are absolutely hilarious! You really think a team that has players with AARP cards is going to make the playoffs? I think you all better get in Joey Galloway's retirement RV and travel the country with him! LOL.

Conversely, my Cowboys are still in the thick of things and doing just fine. The football gods have been salty toward us but things are starting to change.

See you next week.

Optimistically,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I was up here at midnight last night b1tching about Haslett's STUPID ameoba strategy...

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM |

Of course you were. That's what you do. If Moore and Rodgers hold onto the picks that were right in their arms, Haslett looks like a genius.

The problem with this defense isn't Haslett. Of the four starting DB's, only one did his job last night.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse


Great strategery their Haslett.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM |

we need 3 or 4 d-linemen with their hands in the dirt. this stand up at the line of scrimmage isn't traditional football and it's hurting our run defense.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

And speaking of the "gift that keeps giving" there's no team that does that more than you cowgirls. No reason you should be 1-4 with all that talent. But you have a clown as your head coach.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 18, 2010 9:25 AM

Rachel, do you follow the Redskins or only the Cowboys? Why do you keep feeding the trolls?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Things to b1tch about:

1) Haslett's overall defensive strategy
2) The secondary
3) McNabb's mind-numbingly dumb read/throw on 4th and 10, and overall up-down play
4) WR corps having trouble getting open
5) Questionable playcalling - What was with all the redzone bootlegs?

Encouraging signs:

1) Individuals stepping up to make plays - Zo, Fletch, Rak
2) Running game finally found a groove
3) Banks still providing some spark
4) Coverage teams delivering brutal hits (Sellers, Zo)
5) TW did commendable job on Freeney

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

just a few thoughts:

It sucks we lost, but we have a good team.

Ryan Torain is the guy, even when CP comes back.

Anthony Armstrong is the new #2 receiver, no doubt about it.

We will see alot of Fred Davis next week.

This week will be the week I root for Dallas to beat New York.

I think we will kick the snot out of Chicago.

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 18, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm starting to lose faith in Gano, he needs a couple good games in a row to restore my faith in him. Other than that, Danny Smith has got 'teams' playing on all cylanders.
***
I question the play calling at the end, not so sure we should have thrown deep those 2 times, Kyle needs to get it together!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 8:36 AM

Re: Gano, his miss wasn't a chip shot (48 yds), and Vinatieri also missed a couple. Apparently, FEDEX isn't the easiest place to kick in.

Re: the play calling, I'm pretty sure that McNabb had shorter options on both of those passes. I know he did on one; NBC showed Davis wide open in the flat on the fourth down play when DM5 tried to hit Armstrong down the middle; Davis almost surely would have had the first down.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

never ever should we trade draft picks for older veterans. DMcNabb cannot run a 2 min offense with urgency and pull out these games. JBrown, another wasted draft pick, thrown to the wind.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM

Somebody is grumpy this morning!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse


Optimistically,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:29 AM |

ok joe, now that you have explained to us the Redskins problems, at 1-4 and in last place in the division, give us your thoughts on the Cowboys. Remember too speak the truth.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So.. pretty amazing game last night, eh?

The turnovers really surprised me. I read Keim's pieces on how the missed turnovers were a big problem. I'd argue the opposite - that they didn't matter. Fact is, we were big plus in that category.

Our biggest problems were 1) Offense management and 2) Run control. Called that second one... should have expected the first.

But all in all, very impressive. A loss... but still, impressive.

It's too bad about Cooley, but if he's got the konkies... he's getting close to done.

OH - and one more thing: You know how I'm alwasy shtumpin' for CPo; my main point being "until you find something better..."? Well, I'm convinced. Torain really read the zone blocking well. Let's keep him as starter when CPo comes back. Even KWil did some good chipping there, too. I still love Clinton, but he should concentrate on making 3rd down count.

Seriously, who runs a sweep there on 3rd and 1?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So.. pretty amazing game last night, eh?

The turnovers really surprised me. I read Keim's pieces on how the missed turnovers were a big problem. I'd argue the opposite - that they didn't matter. Fact is, we were big plus in that category. And who expects that against the Colts?

Our biggest problems were 1) Offense management and 2) Run control. Called that second one... should have expected the first.

But all in all, very impressive. A loss... but still, impressive.

It's too bad about Cooley, but if he's got the konkies... he's getting close to done.

OH - and one more thing: You know how I'm alwasy shtumpin' for CPo; my main point being "until you find something better..."? Well, I'm convinced. Torain really read the zone blocking well. Let's keep him as starter when CPo comes back. Even KWil did some good chipping there, too. I still love Clinton, but he should concentrate on making 3rd down count.

Seriously, who runs a sweep there on 3rd and 1?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The person that put this Sunday night game on the schedule = NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 9:25 AM

Good News - Next game at 1pm

Bad News - Game not televised here

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, who runs a sweep there on 3rd and 1?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 9:35 AM

Jim Zorn

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

In five weeks as a redskin, we've yet to see from Donovan McNabb the complete, game to game, 4 quarter controlled masterful performance we saw out of Peyton Manning last night.

And yet, we want to assign McNabb to the same elite quarterback class presently occupied by the Bradys', Schaubs', Flaccos', Brees', Mannings', and Roethlisbergers' of the world.

And those guys are on point game in and game out.

5 games into the 2010 season, it seems at times we've replaced a young Jason Campbell with an older version of himself, just in a #5 jersey.

By MistaMoe
======================================

You are starting to sound cranky and old there.....

Have you seen the OLine McNabb is working with and the magicianary he has used to some how keep the play alive?

How can you compare one guy in his 6th game in his 1st season with this scheme vs a guy in his 6th game in his 13th season in the same scheme...

No way DMac compares to JC.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

How to beat the colts:

1) Pressure Manning
2) Run the ball well

Why we lost to the colts:

1) Our Defensive game plan was terrible: "confuse" Peyton on coverage and rush 4 on most plays. The result was no pressure. And when you give Peyton all day, he will carve you up, no matter how many guys you have in coverage. And I think everyone with an nfl brain knows that. We should have attacked their suspect O-line but we totally let them off the hook.

2) We ran the ball great, but the run-pass ratio was backwards. We should have been running 2 out of 3 plays. Torain was ready willing and able to take this game over, we just didn't give him the ball enough.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Of course you were. That's what you do. If Moore and Rodgers hold onto the picks that were right in their arms, Haslett looks like a genius.

The problem with this defense isn't Haslett. Of the four starting DB's, only one did his job last night.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse


The defense had 2 turnovers, and it didn't make Haslett look like a genius.

The 2 would-be picks were simply bad throws/reads early on by Peyton before he found his groove. He wasn't pressured on them on in any way, and they weren't disguised coverages.

So tell us - Do you think the amoeba defense "worked" by "limiting" the Manning to 300 yards passing and "limiting" the rushing attack to 170 yards and 6 ypc?

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Even though the Redskins lost I didn't feel bad about the way the offense played in this game. Ryan Torain got his first 100 yard game with another TD, and, lo and behold, Keiland Williams got a touchdown on a reception. Let's hear it for the young backs... woop, woop!

The defense is a work in progress. No, let me re-word that: the defense has more work to do than the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission. Let me first say that Doughty should never be dropped into coverage. When he is on the field there are generally seven guys on the field with more athletic ability and the problem is that four of those guys play for the other team. I know he is a beast at the LOS but he is too small for linebacker and too slow to react to be a safety. The team needs an upgrade at safety and Horton is not it - he is Doughty's poorer tackling doppleganger.

Buchanon acquitted himself late, but generally he stunk it up, as usual. At one point in the game, they swung the camera over to Haslett and Buchanon talking about Bucky's latest foopah and you could see the frustration on Haslett's face. Is Barnes really so bad that you have to keep Bucky in the lineup ahead of him? I am thinking the practice roster will gain another CB this week.

Moore seems to have caught the same disease Rogers has with too many thumbs. I counted two interceptions he could have had. With his missed tackles, I am starting to wonder if he is all that they thought he would be. Clearly, the guy can cover some ground, but if he can't tackle, what good is it? I hope a little bit of Landry's attitude rubs off on Moore.

Haslett needs to make faster adjustments. If the opposing team is running the hurry-up, then he needs to empower Fletcher with the ability to make changes while the game is in progress. In one series, Manning hit the slot receiver several times on little wide receiver screens because one of the corners was playing five yards deep - and stupidly, continued to do so.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 18, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

loseable type? = double post.

srry :[

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Tampax, with a pitch-perfect example of why the rest of the world hates Dallas: Its fans.

Nice.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 18, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Have the people who think that we missed Haynesworth last night been paying attention?? Is there ANYONE out there, apparently other than Keim and a couple of posters, who think that AH wouldn't have been totally gassed and useless against the furious pace of the Colts' no-huddle offense??

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

So tell us - Do you think the amoeba defense "worked" by "limiting" the Manning to 300 yards passing and "limiting" the rushing attack to 170 yards and 6 ypc?

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 9:40 AM |

The defense worked. It kept the Redskins in the game until the last play. And, if the defenders had done their job of holding onto sure interceptions we would have won the game going away. Moore and Rodgers are the goats on defense, not Haslett.

And, I also believe that the offense should have scored more than 24 points last night. McNabb was not solid and some of the playcalling was throwback to last year.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


@beep-beep and beantowngreg,

you guys are coming off as cowboy cronies. either bash the cowboy fans or let others do so, but by all means don't stand up for cowboy fans in any regards whatsoever, it make YOU look worse than anything rachel has done.

hail to the redskins and f u c k dallas fans, and above all, f u c k the dallas cowboy's !!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Also, anybody left out there who doesn't think it's time to get serious about head injuries at every level of football?

It's inexcusable for Cris Collinsworth to talk about how totally awesome it was for five-year-old LaRon to lie about his age so he could play with older kids and start to establish his hard-hitting reputation. On a day when a bunch more dudes went down to head injuries in a league which *should* be taking this issue much, much seriously than they appear to be doing.

You can't have it both ways... the league and the union can't expect anyone to believe they give a damn about player health (in the near term, let alone the long term) when they persist in praising the awesomeness of gigantic hits.

Even this post from Maese employs the familiar euphemism "bell rung," which I think we can all agree is a cutesy way of saying "endured some degree of brain injury."

Again I say unto you, ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you bring up some great points about hypocrisy. (I love exposing hypocrisy. It's like finding money in your couch cushions)

But, as long as helmets and shoulder pads are worn, there will be violent explosive hits. What are the purpose of shoulder pads?

To protect your shoulders? I disagree. They DO protect your shoulders however when launching one, top f'ing speed, into another player.

Make the head off limits and a 15 yard penalty for lowering your head when you have the ball and I'm not sure people keep tuning in.

We love the violence. I'll vote for wearing flags. It's much more simple to transition, without all the years of hand-wringing.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 18, 2010 2:59 AM

It's part of the game....I have no problem with Landry's story and Collinsworth shouldn't be ridiculed for coming out of the closet about liking it either...

@Thinker, I got rotator cuff injury I suffered 2 years in a row back in high school and it still hurts my shoulder to this day, but I don't regret it.....and I wasn't getting paid....I think they all understand what they are dealing with.....

Helmet to Helmet and Cucussions will always be part of the game...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Have the people who think that we missed Haynesworth last night been paying attention?? Is there ANYONE out there, apparently other than Keim and a couple of posters, who think that AH wouldn't have been totally gassed and useless against the furious pace of the Colts' no-huddle offense??

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly

The gassing is a good point. But I counter that it's a mistake to take a guy out of an emotional game. For whatever reason, when tragedy strikes in players real life, they usually come into games playing insanely good.

Consider Favre after his dad died and he threw like 4 TDs in the first half, or the Giants after their old GM (i think?) died and they DESTROYED us.

I think if you have a player like Haynesworth coming in with that kind of emotion, you need to play that guy, if he's ready and he wants it. And Haynesworth wanted it.

By next week that feeling could fade.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

hessone,

You got it all wrong. Didn't MrIrvin88 straighten all that out over the summer? It's "Hell to the Redskins". Don't forget it.

If not for a renegade referee making a very questionable call on Barron in the Cowboys-Redskins game, your dog team would be in the cellar right now, where they belong.

To borrow from MI88:
Peace Y'all

Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

As for last night's game, I am glad we finally have an NFL team again....

We just need a NT and some inside OLineman....Championship...

#91 does not look like those NT on Pittsburgh's and BMore's team.....

And the only thing I would say about the Defense is I wish the coaches didn't substute unless their defense did....I mean it was just 60 years ago, they use to play both ways and special teams....

BIG UPs to the special teams...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

you guys are coming off as cowboy cronies. either bash the cowboy fans or let others do so, but by all means don't stand up for cowboy fans in any regards whatsoever, it make YOU look worse than anything rachel has done.

hail to the redskins and f u c k dallas fans, and above all, f u c k the dallas cowboy's !!!!

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:47 AM

Show me anything that Beantown or I have posted that supports the Cowboy trolls or the Cowboys. It's just not there.

We're both down on you, Rachel, and a few others who keep feeding these guys. You're the ones who are supporting them.

They throw out a post, you respond then they come back and answer you point-by-point. They even write your name so that you'll know they're with you. You're maintaining the conversation and you're inviting them back. If you want to go heckle them, take it to their blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"How can you compare one guy in his 6th game in his 1st season with this scheme vs a guy in his 6th game in his 13th season in the same scheme..."

McNabb's erratic play has nothing to do with not knowing the scheme as after OTAs, summer practices, and 5 weeks of games, he should be well-versed in it.

Every game, he's followed 1 good throw with 3-4 middlin' over/underthrows.

He did the same things when he was an eagle.

That's why, after 11 years, he's a redskin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

hessone,

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:54 AM

Ah, that's so nice! Hessone and Pampa Tex are working it together. Why don't you guys keep rehearsing this little dance you're doing and take it to Dancing with the Stars? Just go rehearse it on the Cobwoy blog, okay?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I think the Skins defense looked good. They never set until 4-5 secs before the play to increase confusion, but Payton Manning is a very good QB, the Colts took what was opened (e.g. runs when the defense was in the dime to prevent a pass), and they were helped by some incredible WR catches. Still those dropped INTs were crucial as -- I believe -- the Colts scored on every one of those drives.

On TV -- the game had a play off type atmosphere -- and the Skins could have won if that last play was a completion. The Colts CB just made an awesome play, because McNabb made a perfect pass and Galloway was behind the defense; where a completion would have gone for a long gain or TD.

Posted by: siris | October 18, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

WOW!!! Just saw highlight of Desean Jackson getting knocked the F-ck Out. That kid will never go up the middle or run crossing patterns again, his brains will be scrambled eggs before he turns thirty.

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"And Haslet is no rocket surgeon. He's taken a top ten defense and turned it into the worst in the NFL."

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2010 7:45 AM

They weren't one of the top 10 defenses last season. I know that they ranked no. 9, but that's just in yards surrendered; they couldn't stop teams in crunch time, they forced the fewest turnovers in the league, and they benefitted from offenses playing conservatively against them because other teams knew the 'Skins' O couldn't score against a stiff breeze.

And they're not the worst defense this season. Yes, they've given up the most yards, but in points surrendered, which is what really counts, they're in the top half of the league. They've been a classic "bend but don't break" defense, and it doesn't help that they've played three of the top five (statistically, anyway) offenses (Indy, Philly and Houston), either.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The defense worked. It kept the Redskins in the game until the last play. And, if the defenders had done their job of holding onto sure interceptions we would have won the game going away. Moore and Rodgers are the goats on defense, not Haslett.

And, I also believe that the offense should have scored more than 24 points last night. McNabb was not solid and some of the playcalling was throwback to last year.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


There is a difference between the defense "working" and having a couple individuals step up on defense to make plays.

When a defensive strategy works it is evident in doing things like limiting some aspect of the offense, getting 3 and outs, taking some key player out of the game that throws off the rhythm.

The Colts had a field day on offense. They ran, they threw, they dictated tempo.

The defense opened the game with a couple 3-outs and didn't have another one until the end of the 4 th quarter when the Colts went into "tighten-up-nurse-the-lead-and kill -the-clock" mode.

Orakpo beating his man around the edge and getting a sack-strip is not evidence of the "defense working" - it's just a great individual play. Same deal with Fletcher stepping up and crushing Addai to force a fumble.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bad News - Game not televised here

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

What? Are you sure? Why?

Thanks PA, now added onto me walking around like a zombie today now I'm depressed cause I can't watch the game next week!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

By next week that feeling could fade.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 9:51 AM


Dude.....Really?! Really!? His bro he grew up with, was a father figure to....his feelings will fade by next week....Really?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

That kid will never go up the middle or run crossing patterns again, his brains will be scrambled eggs before he turns thirty.

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM |

His brains were scrambled last night. He suffered memory loss. NFL has to suspend players after hits like that.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

They've been a classic "bend but don't break" defense, and it doesn't help that they've played three of the top five (statistically, anyway) offenses (Indy, Philly and Houston), either.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse


THey've played some high-power opponents, that's for sure.

But the inconvenient truth about this defense is that it's best performance of the season came against Philly.

Also the same game where AH showed up to play, stuffed the middle of the line and got pressure up the gut.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse


If not for a renegade referee making a very questionable call on Barron in the Cowboys-Redskins game, your dog team would be in the cellar right now, where they belong.

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:54 AM |

I'd agree with you if it were questionable. you said you "speak the truth". c'mon tampon, if barron wasn't holding on the TD play than he would have been flagged for a close-line.

facts stipulate that your cowboy's are in the cellar so you have no room to argue that point, loser


when you got nothing you've got nothing to lose you moron


Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

WOW!!! Just saw highlight of Desean Jackson getting knocked the F-ck Out. That kid will never go up the middle or run crossing patterns again, his brains will be scrambled eggs before he turns thirty.
Posted by: bhoang888 | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM

Saw that play….it was an awesome hit and the DB did his job. The receiver dropped the pass because the QB led him over the middle and he got trucked and separated from the ball. I know they need to “protect” the players, but it just sucks (IMO) that the DB got a flag and will probably be fined. Kolb’s the one who decided to throw the buddy pass which got him laid out. The DB just did his job. “Defenseless receiver”….give me a break. I hate that rule. I have no problem with the helmet to helmet rules, but that defenseless receiver stuff is weak.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 18, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

CR22 gets a pick againt Manning this week... book it!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 14, 2010 10:26 AM |


I thought my prediction was on in the first quarter... right place, right time, dropped ball. If CR22 holds onto it, different ballgame!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

3-3 ain't so bad.

And to finish 5-3 before the BYE would make things better.

Consider our next two opponents:

WAS @ CHI

WAS @ DET


Anyone what gots sense knows those are 2 winnable games.

MMartz will look at the tape of last night's game and come after the redskin defense.

But the bears can be beaten.

The lions are improved, but we have to hope that just because we're playing a Mickey Mouse team, we don't play like mickey mouse on Halloween.

5-3 before the BYE is an achievable goal.

5-3 after the BYE is 10-6, playoffs.

And anybody what gots sense knows we can do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

when you got nothing you've got nothing to lose you moron


Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:10 AM

Wow, hessone! You sure told him! I bet he won't be back here after you put him down so harshly! What do you call that, anyway? "Speaking truth to power?" "Lowering yourself to the level of an idiot?" "Last Tango in Pampa?"

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

They throw out a post, you respond then they come back and answer you point-by-point. They even write your name so that you'll know they're with you. You're maintaining the conversation and you're inviting them back. If you want to go heckle them, take it to their blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

All hail beep-beep, 'self appointed king of the blog'. Thanks for telling us what to do fearless leader!

You don't get it, whether you answer them or not, they are still here. They are like annoying little bugs, you don't like them buzzing around your head but it's impossible to get rid of them all. Pretending they are not there just makes you look silly. If you don't like people anwering them, there's the door......

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Is it possible we that we could petition the league to throw the flag for intentional grounding when opposing qb's throw the ball at Rogers?

Posted by: Gweez | October 18, 2010 7:43 AM |

I'd like to nominate this for post of the year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse


They throw out a post, you respond then they come back and answer you point-by-point. They even write your name so that you'll know they're with you. You're maintaining the conversation and you're inviting them back. If you want to go heckle them, take it to their blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 9:59 AM |

beep, you should try law enforcement dude, always telling everyone what to post, ALL DAY LONG.

I'll say it again

F U C K dallas and their fans.

want to disagree on that one beep ?

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Haynsworth play 7 seasons with the Titans? He's played against the Colts and Peyton Manning more than any other player on the Skins defense.

The guy couldn't help push the pocket, tip a pass or get a few QB pressures?

Notice how fans are the only folks giving Big Al crap for being 'out of shape'. Offensive linemen keep their mouth shut for a reason: they have to block him every play. Believe me Jeff Saturday was smiling ear-to-ear when he saw the Skins inactive list.

Posted by: elfreako | October 18, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If not for a renegade referee making a very questionable call on Barron in the Cowboys-Redskins game, your dog team would be in the cellar right now, where they belong.

Posted by: PampaTex | October 18, 2010 9:54 AM |

Talk about living in the past. I bet you're the type of guy that goes to the bar and talks to the girls(boys) about how great you were playing football in high school. But you're 40. Al Bundy anyone?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

They are like annoying little bugs, you don't like them buzzing around your head but it's impossible to get rid of them all. Pretending they are not there just makes you look silly. If you don't like people anwering them, there's the door......

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:15 AM |

Really? How do you know this? When have hessone, rachel, others ever refrained from answering them?

If you don't like me expressing my views, go post on another blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

NFL has to suspend players after hits like that.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:09 AM

The DJack hit was legal. No Helmet to Helmet. The guy even knocked himself out of the game....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I was really surprised that they didn’t call the Rogers “pick” a pick, then fumble. I know he wasn’t fully in control and didn’t make a “football move” but I counted his feet hitting the ground for 3 or 4 steps (backwards, mind you) and he had full control of the ball until he hit the ground. I was fully expecting it to be Colts ball where he recovered it….oh well. I agree that Rogers is solid and if he could catch he would be great. Buchanon had a few nice plays as well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

5-3 before the BYE is an achievable goal.

5-3 after the BYE is 10-6, playoffs.

And anybody what gots sense knows we can do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Very acheivable (the 5-3 mark I mean...unfortunately the Eagles and Giants look like they are coming on now).

THe Bears Oline is just bad and, we need to play them with a straight up pass rush - no fancy-pants "amoebas" where our linemen dance around and flirt with each other until the ball gets snapped.

Against the Lions, stafford will be back. Against our DBs, our best hope of winning is to somehow "limit" Calvin Johnson to 200 yards and 2TDs, and hope we can shut everyone else out.

Roll out Kevin barnes on Jahvid Best for psychological purposes.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Notice how fans are the only folks giving Big Al crap for being 'out of shape'. Offensive linemen keep their mouth shut for a reason: they have to block him every play. Believe me Jeff Saturday was smiling ear-to-ear when he saw the Skins inactive list.

Posted by: elfreako | October 18, 2010 10:17 AM |

Please AH would have been laying on his back after 10 plays with the pace the game was going and no ability to substitute.

AH is a worthless and should be traded for a 4th round pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I thought my prediction was on in the first quarter... right place, right time, dropped ball. If CR22 holds onto it, different ballgame!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 10:13 AM

If Carlos holds on to that the colts retain possession. He fumbled the ball. The incompletion forced the punt.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

F U C K dallas and their fans.

want to disagree on that one beep ?

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:16 AM

No. I agree with that. And I agree that you and PampaTex make a cute couple. I just encourage you to get a room, keep it behind closed doors.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If you don't like me expressing my views, go post on another blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hypocrit, you sound just like the trolls. You're complaining about what they right, yet you don't want me complaining about you complaining! Just shut up and go with the flow, which it sounds like you are on your monthly one anyway.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

What? Are you sure? Why?

Thanks PA, now added onto me walking around like a zombie today now I'm depressed cause I can't watch the game next week!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:05 AM

Sorry monk...meant here in B'more...STUPID NERD Ravens!!! Skins Bears is the national 1pm game for gosh sakes...what are they scared of here?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It's the Calvin Johnson rule.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse


get this, beep-beep wants to defend the rights of cowboy fans to post on this board. he says, just leave them alone. then when a redskins fan on a redskins board wants to confront the cowboy fans he tells them not to do so, they might look bad in doing so.

just what kind of redskin fan are you beep ? I don't give a rats ass what a cowboy fan has to say, and I could care less about feeding them, which is just a dumb ass opinion of yours.


Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe any of you actually think pampatex is a real cowgirls fan, it is one of are regualrs just being an a-hole. Real Cowgirls fans are stupid but they hide when there team loses they don't come post on a Redskins blog.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I was really surprised that they didn’t call the Rogers “pick” a pick, then fumble. I know he wasn’t fully in control and didn’t make a “football move” but I counted his feet hitting the ground for 3 or 4 steps (backwards, mind you) and he had full control of the ball until he hit the ground. I was fully expecting it to be Colts ball where he recovered it….oh well. I agree that Rogers is solid and if he could catch he would be great. Buchanon had a few nice plays as well.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 18, 2010 10:23 AM

Agreed. If that's not a case of the ground causing a fumble, I don't know what is.

When someone takes 3 or 4 steps with the ball, they've caught it.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Notice how fans are the only folks giving Big Al crap for being 'out of shape'. Offensive linemen keep their mouth shut for a reason: they have to block him every play. Believe me Jeff Saturday was smiling ear-to-ear when he saw the Skins inactive list.

Posted by: elfreako | October 18, 2010 10:17 AM

No, they're not. One of the lineman who faced him regularly talked last year about how Haynesworth was out of shape and that they had a strategy of wearing him down. He wouldn't have lasted yesterday.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Dude.....Really?! Really!? His bro he grew up with, was a father figure to....his feelings will fade by next week....Really?

Posted by: 4thFloor

You know what I meant. There's a window of time where that emotion effects your game (in a good way) and makes you play crazy, and that seems to be the game immediately following the event. That's the feeling I'm talking about.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Please AH would have been laying on his back after 10 plays with the pace the game was going and no ability to substitute.

AH is a worthless and should be traded for a 4th round pick.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse


Maybe if AH gets a real push or 2 up the middle to throw of Peyton's rhythm, they wouldn't have had a bunch of 10-play hurry up possessions?

Instead Haslett thinks that if Vonnie holliday and Andre Carter do a foxtrot together before the snap it will "confuse" Peyton...confuse him into a 108 rating.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

NFL has to suspend players after hits like that.

The former D2 strong safety in me has issues with this idea.

You cannot encourage more passing, then demand that no one gets tackled or hit in an unacceptable way.

If a defensive back spends too much time thinking before tackling and doesn't make a correct play, what, he can get away with it by telling his position coach, "I was considering just how to tackle the 6-4 245 athletic tight end when he ran me over or a score."

"I'm sorry, my bahd."

Let the guys make plays or put flags on their hips and call the game something else.

Like Fag Football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I care what they have to see. Their tears and cries are like sweet nectar!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah clearly Ahays fault we lost.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. If that's not a case of the ground causing a fumble, I don't know what is.

When someone takes 3 or 4 steps with the ball, they've caught it.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 10:30 AM |

First the ground can't cause a fumble if your not touched if you just fall down and the grown causes the fumble it is a fumble.

Second the refs said he didn't have possesion long enough before losing the ball it's a judgement call.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

5-3 before the BYE is an achievable goal.
5-3 after the BYE is 10-6, playoffs.

And anybody what gots sense knows we can do that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I see a split, with the Skins losing to the Lions. That has the team looking at 8-8 (out the playoffs) or 9-7 (in the playoffs as a wildcard).

Posted by: TWISI | October 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse


If you don't like me expressing my views, go post on another blog.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:21 AM |

hypocracy at it's best folks.

beep, you tell people what to post then tell them to go to another post if they don't like what you post.

may I suggest you take your own advise if you don't like what others post !

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.

BOOK IT.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Svrluga just said on Kornheiser's show that there was some resentment on the part of the coaching staff that AH did not get back from funeral in time to practice on Wednesday through end of week.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 18, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

If Carlos holds on to that the colts retain possession. He fumbled the ball. The incompletion forced the punt.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:26 AM

Good point. Maybe if he ever solves his catching problem, we'll discover he has a fumbling problem. But I thought it was a great effort and should have been an INT, even thought it turned out for the best that it wasn't called that way.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.

BOOK IT.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 10:38 AM |

I'm thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Bad News - Game not televised here"

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"What? Are you sure? Why?"

"Thanks PA, now added onto me walking around like a zombie today now I'm depressed cause I can't watch the game next week!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:05 AM

Methinks PlayAction is either pulling your leg, or has taken one too many KO shots to the head while going over the middle. All road games are required by contract to be televised in the road team's market, which means that next week's 'Skins-Bears game will be seen here.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Svrluga just said on Kornheiser's show that there was some resentment on the part of the coaching staff that AH did not get back from funeral in time to practice on Wednesday through end of week.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 18, 2010 10:39 AM

That's just stupid.

Posted by: TWISI | October 18, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Well, they say you are what your record says you are, so kudos to everyone (thus far, anyway) who predicted 8-8. It looks like this team is just that. It’s winning some really close games and losing some really close games. The only game that sucked was against the rams, and it looks like they might not be as bad as we all thought before the season started. At least we are in every game, and none of our losses are to teams with losing records. This team is competitive, and hits people like I haven’t seen in as long as I can remember. At this point I think every game on the schedule is winnable, but they have enough weaknesses that they will probably finish out just as we thought, at 8-8. Maybe that will actually be enough to win the division…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

It was his best drop yet Alan.

Also blogging while flying sorta rules!

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Bad News - Game not televised here"

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"What? Are you sure? Why?"

"Thanks PA, now added onto me walking around like a zombie today now I'm depressed cause I can't watch the game next week!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 10:05 AM

Methinks PlayAction is either pulling your leg, or has taken one too many KO shots to the head while going over the middle. All road games are required by contract to be televised in the road team's market, which means that next week's 'Skins-Bears game will be seen here.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 10:41 AM

That was my bad rufus...didn't mean to freak the monkster out...answered him up the thread a ways...I have STUPID baltimore stations.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse


All road games are required by contract to be televised in the road team's market

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 10:41 AM |

rufus, I don't think these guy's live in the teams market

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You cannot encourage more passing, then demand that no one gets tackled or hit in an unacceptable way.

Like Fag Football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:35 AM

That's cute, Moe.

But, of course you can penalize guys who endangering other people's well being. People who can't do their jobs without unduly injuring other players don't belong on the field and don't belong in the league.

How many guys had concussions yesterday? If the league can't reduce the injury level then the Occupational Safety and Health Administration will step in. League is big this year on breast cancer, but they're going to have to answer for the injuries the players are causing each other. Suspensions for egregiously dangerous play are coming. Book it.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.

BOOK IT.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

I don't think we'll get enough value for any team to make it worth trading him. I'd trade him for a 2nd and a 3rd at this point, but I don't think we'll get that from anyone. At this point the league is wise to Big Al's don't give a f@!# attitude.

So I think considering we won't get enough value, it's better to keep him and try to manage him. He CAN help our team.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.


So far, three non-trades that should happen, haven't:

V Jackson

A Hanyesworth

L Mankins

Analysis:

The VJAX situation perplexes as the Chargers are falling fast, and so you wonder why hold on to a guy for a Super bowl push that might not occur.

AH's need in what might be the league's worst defense is at best arguable and laughable as he's rarely played.

The pats have morphed into an offensive machine were various skill postion parts have all changed, so why hold on to a lineman (after trading RMoss)?

If anything, the GMs/coaches are playing a game of ego and poker that onl re-enforces the players' complaint that what is just a game to fans is a bidness to them.

And what annoys is when teams give them the bidness and won't trade them when they want to be elsewhere.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse


It was his best drop yet Alan.

Also blogging while flying sorta rules!

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM |

where are you at mack ?

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We really need a big WR. All the Packers WR's are big, and they are all pretty good. Why can't we trade for a James Jones? As much as people are over this, I heard that VJacks asking price has gone down...We really need a bigger WR. We when the game with a bigger WR on that last play on offense. Joey Galloway couldn't out man that guy on the Interception. It was a well thrown ball. I think one big possession WR changes a lot for us on offense. Santana is a beast in slot. With a bigger WR and AA13, we would be playing a lot better on offense.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 18, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.

BOOK IT.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 10:38 AM |

I'm thinking the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:40 AM |

People were waving their PC flags at me when I suggested that Fat Albert would take advantage of the compassion and generosity of the Redskins organization when grieving for attending the funeral of his half-brother.

I knew this would happen. Haney could have flown to TN to be with family and attend services with more than enough time to fly back on the Redskins' private plane last Wednesday at the latest. If he needed to go back to TN this week, I am positive that would not have been an issue either.

Turns out from most reports, Haney turned it into a week of lying around, riding motorcycles and blowing off his job.

Trade the bum for a 3rd and call it a day. I hope he pops an Achilles for his new team or has to be carted off the field every 3rd play because he's 'winded'. My only prayer is that he is traded to a team on the Redskins' schedule so T-Will can abuse him a little.

The man is a bum and he doesn't want to play anymore. If he cannot in fact be traded today, cut his fat butt.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"see" shoulda been "say"... duhhhh. srry.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

may I suggest you take your own advise if you don't like what others post !

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 10:36 AM

Only if I may suggest that you take your own advice if you don't like what I post. Otherwise, you're the hypocrite.

hessone and PampaTex, sitting in a tree...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we'll get enough value for any team to make it worth trading him. I'd trade him for a 2nd and a 3rd at this point, but I don't think we'll get that from anyone. At this point the league is wise to Big Al's don't give a f@!# attitude.

So I think considering we won't get enough value, it's better to keep him and try to manage him. He CAN help our team.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:49 AM |

I would trade him for a 4th today, don't care what he can do for our team. He doesn't want to play, he has no heart for the game. Get his a$$ out of here and stick with the guys who actually want to work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I would trade him for a 4th today, don't care what he can do for our team. He doesn't want to play, he has no heart for the game. Get his a$$ out of here and stick with the guys who actually want to work.

Posted by: Flounder21

If he plays the rest of the season like he played against the Eagles, he's worth a lot more than a 4th round pick to me.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Heading to Cali from VA hessone. Dropped $12 on internet access just to read the hysteria on RI.
Dude next to me seems to be watching soft-core porn on an iPad. Slightly awkward.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow so now were calling out the way Ahay grieves a family members death. Hate just seethes through some of you...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Heading to Cali from VA hessone. Dropped $12 on internet access just to read the hysteria on RI.
Dude next to me seems to be watching soft-core porn on an iPad. Slightly awkward.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM

Sounds to me like he's getting more for his $12 than you are.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

things i liked: mcnaab, hussle of almost all the players on the team.

things i didn't like: Haze-let's Scheme. have you ever seen the patsies ever dance like that on the line? it was ridiculous! i was actually ashamed to be a fan of this team when i saw my beloved team's D-friggin-line dance like that!

c'mon! hit him just once! the dude had the whitest shirt i can rember after a game played on natural grass. c'mon! F manning! play your f'ing game! seriously i've never seen linemen dance like that in my 25 years of watching football. EVER!

so F Haze-let for that! but decent adjustments at halftime by him. just wished he stopped dancing.

ohh either play AH or trade or cut him. there's no dominant team in the nfl, this guy makes the D better. play him!

Posted by: dealer1 | October 18, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

If he plays the rest of the season like he played against the Eagles, he's worth a lot more than a 4th round pick to me.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:57 AM |

He's not going to play the rest of the year like he played against the Eagles, you might get one more game like that and the rest duds. The point is to change the philosophy here and getting rid of AH helps to meet that goal.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

I would trade him (AH) for a 4th today, don't care what he can do for our team.


In hindsight (which is always correct), AH shouldn't been moved for that 4th you want before the draft.

We'd already be on the road to 'training up' his replacement had that happened.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

That was my bad rufus...didn't mean to freak the monkster out...answered him up the thread a ways...I have STUPID baltimore stations.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Where do you check to see the availability of games? Or are you guessing?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I would trade him for a 4th today, don't care what he can do for our team. He doesn't want to play...

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM

The best coaches find a way to motivate their best players. Dealing Haynesworth for a low draft pick is a coaching fail.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be traded this afternoon.

BOOK IT.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

I don't think we'll get enough value for any team to make it worth trading him. I'd trade him for a 2nd and a 3rd at this point, but I don't think we'll get that from anyone. At this point the league is wise to Big Al's don't give a f@!# attitude.

So I think considering we won't get enough value, it's better to keep him and try to manage him. He CAN help our team.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 10:49 AM |

Your notion of not getting value for Haney makes literally no sense. What value? Money? Who cares? The Redskins didn't cough up any draft pics for him - they only paid money. It's Danny's money so WHO CARES????

There's no value to lose, get it? He only cost money so there is no reason not to cut the fat bastard.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

There is a difference between the defense "working" and having a couple individuals step up on defense to make plays.

When a defensive strategy works it is evident in doing things like limiting some aspect of the offense, getting 3 and outs, taking some key player out of the game that throws off the rhythm.

The Colts had a field day on offense. They ran, they threw, they dictated tempo.

The defense opened the game with a couple 3-outs and didn't have another one until the end of the 4 th quarter when the Colts went into "tighten-up-nurse-the-lead-and kill -the-clock" mode.

Orakpo beating his man around the edge and getting a sack-strip is not evidence of the "defense working" - it's just a great individual play. Same deal with Fletcher stepping up and crushing Addai to force a fumble.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse
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I realize that Shanny hasn't been able to acquire all of the personnel he needs for the 3-4 defense in just one off-season, but it seems to me our obviously atrocious pass defense has been largely the fault of our secondary and OLBs, which is a bunch of young guys, not old guys who Shanny brought in on the cheap (like he did for the Dline). Our front seven has been getting decent pressure on the QBs, and until yesterday, I hadn't gotten that sense that they were getting consistently carved up by a running back. I also realize that we've faced a good percentage of the top passing offenses in the entire league, but it sure seems to me that the root of our defensive problems (which I'm really tired of seeing week after week) lies with the LBs and safeties. In my view, we've been getting killed on seam routes and the underneath stuff. I haven't seen a ton of blown coverages on long vertical routes by our CBs. Yes, they've screwed up, too, but the Skins haven't been able to stop a 8-10 yard in or out pattern to save their lives this entire season. The longer passes that have happened seem to be the fault of safeties more than anything. I think Rogers and DHall are both decent enough cover guys (we all should just accept that Rogers has hands of stone and will never catch anything) on the mid to long routes, but the real problem is these shorter routes. Our D will have to figure out how to deal with them or they'll never be good. The good number of turnovers and big hits are all that's kept us in these games.

I think calling a defense a "bend but don't break" defense is just code for saying that it isn't all that great. They fly around alot, use alot of exotic formations and blitzes, and get their share of turnovers, but at the end of the day they can't really stop anyone without some big plays as help, which isn't what will build a consistent winner, in my opinion.

Sorry for the long rant, but I found last night to be an exceedingly frustrating game.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 18, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep and Beantown,

This is a blog. Rachel can respond to whoever she wants to. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Stop admonishing her for responding to the Cowboy idiots. As many back & forths ya'll have had with posters, you guys should be the last one's directing orders.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

There's no value to lose, get it? He only cost money so there is no reason not to cut the fat bastard.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

I don't think you understand opportunity cost.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

No, don't cut him NPI. Keep him benched. If he goes somewhere else and starts ballin', we'll never hear the end of it! lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse


hessone and PampaTex, sitting in a tree...

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 10:54 AM |

beep-beep's true age surfaces

dude, all the nursery rhymes in the world won't change the fact that you're a hypocrite

dead horse buried

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe any of you actually think pampatex is a real cowgirls fan, it is one of are regualrs just being an a-hole. Real Cowgirls fans are stupid but they hide when there team loses they don't come post on a Redskins blog.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 10:29 AM

Could be Flounder, but Pampa seems like a pretty esoteric choice. I mean, the State of Texas has a million worthless little cowtowns to choose from. I guess if it is a fake Cowpuke fan, he had to choose one of them. You think he's fake because his arguments are so stupid and he's too dumb to know you don't try to mock a team that beat your team and is ahead of them in the standings? Here's some income data about Pampa, Texas:(I would rather have referenced education data, but that must be so dismal it wasn't as readily available.)

The median income for a household in the city was $31,213, and the median income for a family was $39,810. Males had a median income of $32,717 versus $20,492 for females. The per capita income for the city was $17,791. About 12.1% of families and 14.8% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.7% of those under age 18 and 9.4% of those age 65 or over.

If he is a fake poster, you have to hand it to him. He's mastered the voice and desperation of a Bovine Cartel fan living in a hellhole called "Pampa".

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM

Sounds to me like he's getting more for his $12 than you are.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:00 AM |

Good one beep. It's all funny until he tries to slide past me to the bathroom.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

My 2 cents:
1. AH shouldn't have played. He wasn't prepared, he would have NEVER kept pace with Peyton's frenetic play calling, and he couldn't run fast enough to get off the field in time for substitutions creating penalties for us. TRADE him next year please...he doesn't have the heart or dedication needed for this game.
2. What the Hell kind of play calling was that on 3rd-and-1? We pitch backwards to Torrain standing 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage with no motion, no additional blockers in the backfield, no attempt at all to misdirect the D. Seriously stupid call that killed our chances of winning (don't get me started on the bomb on 4th down, too, when Davis was WIDE open).
3. Rogers? Really?! You couldn't catch an F-ing cold. God, you PISS me off. Yeah, I know Moore dropped a couple, too, but with CR's history of repeated drops...it's truly un f-ing acceptable.
4. I know McNabb had some off throws, but I love this guy. He's such an upgrade over anybody we've had in a long time. We need to get him a contract, so we can use our next year's draft picks on much more important needs.
5. Torrain was looking GOOD last night! I would imagine Portis is going to suddenly start feeling better here soon. Play like that will make him irrelevant real quickly.
6. Loving the competitiveness of this year's team. Real fun to watch and makes me proud to be a Skin...despite the loss.
HTTR

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This is a blog. Rachel can respond to whoever she wants to. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Stop admonishing her for responding to the Cowboy idiots. As many back & forths ya'll have had with posters, you guys should be the last one's directing orders.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM

Thanks for sharing your interesting thoughts. This works both ways. If rachel can respond to her posse, we can respond to rachel. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The best coaches find a way to motivate their best players. Dealing Haynesworth for a low draft pick is a coaching fail.


Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM |
I disagree theres no coaching up a guy who doesn't care about anything but money, which he already has. This was the former regime's fault Shanny just needs to get rid of him and move on. This regime never makes the move to pick him up, so why should they be stuck wasting time trying to coach up a guy thats been paid 41 mill.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Where do you check to see the availability of games? Or are you guessing?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM

You only have baltimore channels too monk? I checked foxbaltimore.com for myself. Been lucky so far this year with 5 of the 6 games on tv because of all the late games...I guess that run is over for a while unless the ravens play a late game.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Am guessing that Shanny understands that any trade involving Haynesworth would probably be contingent on the lunkhead passing a physical for the new team.

And given the oaf's demonstrated unwillingness and inability to exert himself in such situations, the coach is probably trying to maneuver into position where he can honestly pawn this joker off to the next team without so much as scratch, bruise or blemish.

If anything, last night's game showed us the defense can do just as well as -- if not better -- without AH92.

The time is long overdue to deal this joker already.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse


Heading to Cali from VA hessone. Dropped $12 on internet access just to read the hysteria on RI.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 10:58 AM |

that's pretty cool. have a safe trip mack.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

5-3.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

dead horse buried

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Can I still poke it with a stick?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Cutting Haynesworth = Coaching FAIL.
Dealing Hayensworth for low pick = Coaching FAIL.

Dealing Haynesworth for equal value = Good.
Motivating Haynesworth to be his best = GREAT.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Thanks hessone. Battery is dying on the laptop. Have a good one RI. Skins will be fine.

Posted by: mack1 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

5-3.

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 18, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse
______

Sure hope you're right. We really should be able to win the next two games.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse


Beep Beep and Beantown,

This is a blog. Rachel can respond to whoever she wants to. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Stop admonishing her for responding to the Cowboy idiots. As many back & forths ya'll have had with posters, you guys should be the last one's directing orders.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM |

well said and I agree 100%.

it's beep-beep more so than beantowngreg. the thing with beep-beep is he'll never admit to being wrong even when he makes himself out to be a hypocrite. well done beep, you're coming off like a major ass.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with this statement by Dan Picca. But here an opinion on Haynesworth:

Speaking of mega-millions, the most disgusting sight of the day in the NFL besides seeing the Eagle’s DeSean Jackson nearly DeCapitated by a Falcon cheapshot was the Redskins’ deactivated defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. Rather than be down on the field cheering and coaching his teammates on (like defensive captain Gary Brackett of the Colts was doing), he was in the luxury suite adjacent to owner Dan Snyder with his girlfriend. What Halloween costume should Albert wear? Do they make 350-pound parasite costumes? Snapping pictures during the game with female friends in his designer jeans while hard-working players were being carted off to the locker room with concussions. Sprawled out in splendor with frosty drinks while the hapless Skins’ defensive line is gashed for 150+ rushing yards by an Indy team that doesn’t average half that amount normally. Haynesworth is a disgrace. Do you really think he will turn into the next Reggie White? That is an insult to the memory to the late Hall of Famer

Posted by: demonj21 | October 18, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I seem to be the only one wanting to keep Al, which is crazy to me because I do hate the guy and wish we never got him in the first place. But that's done, and the situation stands on its own right now.

A lot of people here seem to have Haynesworth Amnesia. The fact is last year and this year when he's started in games, he make an impact. He's a big presence, he makes huge stops and he draws holding calls. He helps our team, a lot. He's way better than anyone here seems to want to give him credit for. He's definitely a better nose tackle OR defensive end than our starters at those positions right now.

He's better than any 4th round pick by a LOT, unless you get some miracle lucky pick, which you can't count on. Just looking at it right now, do you think you could get a starting NT or DE as good as Haynesworth in the 4th round next year? I sure as hell don't.

Before his brother died he was integrating more and more with the team. The locker room bull was settling down, teammates wanted (and still want) him out there. There was less drama, and Haynes was making more plays week to week.

Despite every facet of Haynesworth the Redskin trending for the better, some people here still want to get rid of him. I guess people don't recognize trends, and don't realize how much better he is than a 4th round pick.

It kills me to be the one rooting for him to stay on the team, but that's just how I see the situation right now.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep, good hustle.

Trollz feeding Trollz. huh?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

4. I know McNabb had some off throws, but I love this guy. He's such an upgrade over anybody we've had in a long time. We need to get him a contract, so we can use our next year's draft picks on much more important needs.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 11:08 AM

Does anyone know what Plan B is if we don't sign McNabb? My assumption is that if we decide we don't want him, or he doesn't want us, then we franchise him and try to recover some draft picks in a trade to Arizona or Minnesota. But does anyone else know otherwise?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I disagree theres no coaching up a guy who doesn't care about anything but money, which he already has. This was the former regime's fault Shanny just needs to get rid of him and move on. This regime never makes the move to pick him up, so why should they be stuck wasting time trying to coach up a guy thats been paid 41 mill.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:08 AM

Most coaches would have given up on Riggo, when he sat out a season demanding more money. Joe Gibbs went to his house, and talked to him.

The rest, as they say, is history.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Where do you check to see the availability of games? Or are you guessing?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:02 AM

You only have baltimore channels too monk? I checked foxbaltimore.com for myself. Been lucky so far this year with 5 of the 6 games on tv because of all the late games...I guess that run is over for a while unless the ravens play a late game.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what I have. I live in Delaware, and the package I get let's me get ComcastSportsNet plus the Redskins seem to be on FOX every Sunday, but they also try and show the Ravens also. When and who do the Ravens play?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I don't think they really needed to do too much different in the personell or overall gameplanning.

I mean, even when us fans were pulling our hair in that epic drive in the last 6 min; we all thought they were wasting time. But it turned out to be perfect clock mangement. Too bad we couldn't execute in the last drive...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Saying that it is the coaches fault for not motivating AH, is like blaming someone for not being able to fill a glass with no bottom.
There's only so much you can do with the shell of a player. Coach has given a lot of opportunities that AH has continually dropped the ball on (Philly game aside...but even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while). All I think of when I see AH is a little kid in a big body basically crying out, " I don't WANNA!" he's the big piece of crap, not the coach. How come all the other players bring it? If less than 2% of the players (ie...AH) have motivational problems, then it's kind of hard to point a negative finger towards the coach.
I saw a lot of heart out there last night, so I have to give Coach his kudos. He IS doing a lot right.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I live in Delaware, and the package I get let's me...

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM

Sounds like you need to be looking at someone else's package.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It was a competitive game.

The Skins had the ball with over 2 minutes left and all three timeouts, so they had their chance. I don't understand throwing deep there. Just get a first down.

The play that bothers me most is the early would-be INT by Rogers.

If they aren't already doing it, someone needs to work with that guy every day on catching... or maybe a few sessions with a hypnotist could help him gain some confidence in catching.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sure hope you're right. We really should be able to win the next two games.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM

This defense gives up a ton of yards, It can't stop the pass nor the run. The team may will be without it's second best pass rusher. The QB is erratic, and prone to make drive stopping decisions at crucial times. This team sucks on 3rd downs, they suck in the red zone. The Skins has played poorly on the road, and they face two defenses that put a bunch of pressure on the QB at their home field. I'm not seeing the half full glass here. These aren't "book them" wins. The Skins aren't that good yet.

Posted by: TWISI | October 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Most coaches would have given up on Riggo, when he sat out a season demanding more money. Joe Gibbs went to his house, and talked to him.

The rest, as they say, is history.


Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM |
Please comparing Riggo to AH how much money was Riggo being paid, does your boss have to motivate you to do your f_cking job. I know if my boss had to motivate me to do mine I wouldn't have one any more.

Cutting Haynesworth = Coaching FAIL.
Dealing Hayensworth for low pick = Coaching FAIL.

Dealing Haynesworth for equal value = Good.
Motivating Haynesworth to be his best = GREAT.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM |


Getting rid of a lazy locker room cancer = Priceless

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"...he would have NEVER kept pace with Peyton's frenetic play calling,..."


You have to admire the way the colts were able to alter the tempo of the game by essentially using a play calls at the line to disrupt the redskin defense.

They changed how they played and were effective along the way: the efficiency of it all makes you jealous.

But again, we also have an 'elite' quarterback.

And what irritates is that we've yet to see the 60 minutes efficient, well-managed play from him that we see from the other elite quarterbacks in the league.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what I have. I live in Delaware, and the package I get let's me get ComcastSportsNet plus the Redskins seem to be on FOX every Sunday, but they also try and show the Ravens also. When and who do the Ravens play?

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM

Yeah the skins are typically on here on FOX as well, unless they are on at the same time as the Ravens on CBS. They play the Bills at 1pm this week...so I'm screwed. Since you are out of the baltimore market you may have the skins game since it's the national game on FOX. I'd check the website for whatever your FOX station is.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21,

Comparing AH to Riggo makes a lot more sense than comparing any of these professional athletes to us. Our bosses don't have to motivate us because we're not 25 year old multi-millionares with the world telling us we're great.

Dennis Rodman, Riggo, Dexter Manley... there are MANY, MANY examples of wierdos who are great athletes, and YES, they need adult supervision and motivation. Unlike us. Sometimes it's not about money because they all make a ton of it. I don't know the secret, but Phil Jackson and Joe Gibbs are examples of coaches who do.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I live in Delaware, and the package I get let's me...

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM

Sounds like you need to be looking at someone else's package.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone translate this STUPID joke, he's starting not to make any sense like the trolls. Oops, I think I hear a beep, your fries are done!

I'm lovin' it!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse


beep-beep, good hustle.

Trollz feeding Trollz. huh?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:17 AM |

more like redskin fans making their point, but beep-beep knows more about psychology than the rest of us

F U C K I N G H Y P O C R I T E

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

If they aren't already doing it, someone needs to work with that guy every day on catching... or maybe a few sessions with a hypnotist could help him gain some confidence in catching.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 18, 2010 11:26 AM

I love it. Most extreme suggestion before today was an exam by an eye doctor. Hypnotist takes it to the next level.

Why not a Freudian psychoanalyst? "Now Carlos, are you afraid of holding the ball because it might be dirty? What do you think of when a big ball is flying at you? As a youth, did you see your father's balls? Do you ever hold your own ball? ..."

Why I think that in, say, three years of twice weekly sessions he could be a real ball snatcher instead of a snatch baller.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Random thoughts following loss:

1. For our long-term interest, I'm starting to think Nate Allen might have been a better value for our 2nd rnd pick last year.

2. Please make a trade for V-Jax, DUIs notwithstanding (give him a personal driver as part of his contract extension - what is that, maybe an extra $50k a year?).

3. Please trade Fat Albert for a ham sandwich (have any 4-3 teams lost a starting DT to injury recently? That's probalby the only chance we have to get any sort of value for him).

4. Please draft a real center in April! The kid out of Penn State is getting some buzz as being a smart player and a good fit for a zone blocking sceme.

Posted by: PDXskin | October 18, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Alan,

Agree to disagree

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

But again, we also have an 'elite' quarterback.

And what irritates is that we've yet to see the 60 minutes efficient, well-managed play from him that we see from the other elite quarterbacks in the league.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Which one of those other elite QBs is playing in a new offense with a new team?

I think the injury in training camp set Donovan back more than he would care to admit.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


Motivating Haynesworth to be his best = GREAT.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:13 AM |

GREAT = IMPOSSIBLE

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what Plan B is if we don't sign McNabb?

I don't know about y'all, but my PLAB B has two words:

Ryan Mallett

He's big, has a strong arm, comes from a NFL style passing scheme, he's a solid deep ball thrower, he's been a multiple year starter, and he's played big SEC games on national tv.

Mallet looks just like SamBradford looked two years ago.

And I'd say he'd look better in burgandy and gold.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Coulda used haynesworth in that one Shan-a-Cool

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Everybody take a chill pill. We lost by three to the best team of the past decade. The Skins are punching people in the face and filling out injury reports.

Ryan Torain looks good.

Anthony Armstrong looks good.

Fred Davis will fill in for Cooley, and we know how that goes.

Brandon Banks is awesome.

We will be 5-3 at the midpoint of the season.

Hopefully the Cowboys beat the Giants this week.

I don't know who the Eagles are playing, but I hope they lose too.

This is a good football team!

HTTR!

Optimism Bus needs a fill-up

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 18, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Alan,

Agree to disagree

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 11:34 AM

No, I disagree!

Just kidding, agree to disagree.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Most coaches would have given up on Riggo, when he sat out a season demanding more money. Joe Gibbs went to his house, and talked to him.

The rest, as they say, is history.
Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:19 AM

It wouldn't be so bad if this was all about a single issue of money, but AH has had so many issues this offseason and into the season that it goes way further than that. He's had coaches, co-workers, and trainers continually coddling him this year and he still doesn't perform at the top level he's capable of.
I know his half-brother passed away, but how much grieving time do you need during a 16-week season? Look a Favre's history. His Dad dies and he's on the field playing at the top of his game. His wife is diagnosed with cancer and he's on the field playing at the top of his game. When Sean Taylor was taken from us all so tragically did the team pack it up? No! They used it as motivation and dedicated themselves to his memory. AH just doesn't have "IT", you know what I mean? He's just too selfish and immature (as well as having proved himself to be a liar).

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

My observations:

1. Ryan Torain played like a star last night. We haven't had running back play that hard since Stephen Davis. CP will get his share of PT due to pass protection when he returns, but Torain will own the starting spot and the bulk of the carries from here on out.

2. Donovan McNabb had a poor outing. It's encouraging to see our team play the way they did with McNabb playing the way he is, but it's discouraging seeing our 'star' QB playing completely mediocre on the big stage. He has to be better. Missing Davis wide open for a first down while overthrowing Armstrong by 10 yards on a bomb on 4th down is inexcusable.

3. Our defense and special teams are legit. Eff the yards. We came up with 3 huge turnovers, should have come up EASILY with 2 more, and could have had another 2 on top of that. If firing on all cylinders, this D/ST should have had 7 turnovers. On top of that, this defense came up with a massive 3 and out against the greatest late game, 4th quarter QB of all-time. We went toe-to-toe with the game's greatest, and we forced him into numerous mistakes. That's the start of a great defense.

4. That said, we have to take advantage of those opportunities that we create. Rogers once again had phenomenal coverage only to drop another INT. Moore uncharacteristically dropped one and stumbled while approaching another. That can't happen if you want to beat the elite.

5. Banks once again had a big return and consistently got positive yardage on his other returns. This kid is a stud.

6. Trent Williams showed why he was a #4 pick. He was key in plowing the road for Torain in the run game and he held arguably the games fiercest pure pass rusher to zero sacks. He was excellent.

7. Non-Redskins note: Watching Manning is like watching an artist on the field. He's the league's greatest offensive coordinator. The way he dictated the Redskins defense with his hurry-up offense is unmatched by any other QB. It's one thing to not allow substitutions on defense; it's another thing entirely to not even allow the defense to call a play or align properly.

8. We still have the death-touch. Joseph Addai and Dallas Clark knocked out of the game. Here's one instance where a cliche fits perfectly for this defense; everybody is scared to come over the middle on us. Even on an innocent incompletion forced by a batted pass, Landry is able to deliver a blow.

It was a somewhat disappointing loss, but definitely an encouraging game to watch. We're improving weekly. I can't wait to see what we look like next week, and the week after, and the week after. This team has real potential this year.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

more like redskin fans making their point, but beep-beep knows more about psychology than the rest of us

F U C K I N G H Y P O C R I T E

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

To paraphrase:

when you're fighting trollz be careful not to become a troll yourself.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

portispockets

"Which one of those other elite QBs is playing in a new offense with a new team?...I think the injury in training camp set Donovan back more than he would care to admit."

Go take a look at some of the criticism launched against McNabb after the Pats v. Eagles Super Bowl.

One of them was that he couldn't manage the two minute drill at the end of the game.

He is what he is, guy, and we're amazed by him after years of watching Brunnell/Campbell/Matthews/Banks/Ferotte and others.

I'm not saying McNabb sucks.

But what I'm saying is that I'd be hard-pressed to give big money and years to a guy who's making the same mistakes in D.C. that he made in Philly.

Trust me, Andy Reid knows McNabb better than anybody in this blog.

And if he let him go, he knows that #5 is good, but not great.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

And the sad reality is:

We're only one ahead of the Cowboys in the loss column.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

when you're fighting trollz be careful not to become a troll yourself.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM

Thanks, PPS8. When you're fighting trolls, the proven RI strategy is captured in three letters:

ITA = Ignore The Asstroll

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The problem with McNabb isn't McNabb, it's that the Skins gave up a second and a third/fourth for him.

That puts management in a bind, where they basically have to pay big bucks to resign him or look like utter idiots.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse


Trust me, Andy Reid knows McNabb better than anybody in this blog.

And if he let him go, he knows that #5 is good, but not great.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM |

and we need to get out of the business of dealing our draft picks or it'll be more of the same as the past decade. build through the draft and compliment those players picked through FA's and trade, not the other way around.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

That puts management in a bind, where they basically have to pay big bucks to resign him or look like utter idiots.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:47 AM

Why? Why can't they franchise him and trade him and then draft a young stud QB?

What makes you look like an utter idiot is when your Plan A doesn't work out, but you stick with it anyway because you don't want to look like an utter idiot by switching to Plan B.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

more like redskin fans making their point, but beep-beep knows more about psychology than the rest of us

F U C K I N G H Y P O C R I T E

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:32 AM |

Sure hope Jack's kid don't read the blog anymore. Seems like a lot of people aren't on the blog anymore.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

and we need to get out of the business of dealing our draft picks or it'll be more of the same as the past decade. build through the draft and compliment those players picked through FA's and trade, not the other way around.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 11:47 AM

Co-sign. The problem is, we fall in love with other team's stars and then pay top dollar (and draft picks) for them

Our team is a classic case of buy high, sell low.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Re: AH and Colts Hurry-Up

To all the Einsteins on the blog who are noting that AH would not have been able to keep up w/ Colts hurry-up -

The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it.

The reason they kept getting positive plays with it is b/c there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run.

The reason there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run is b/c instead of having a legit hands-down disruptive tackle in the middle (like AH); we had Vonnie Holliday and Andre Carter standing up trying to "confuse" Manning with a furious game of pattycake getting blown off the LOS with ever snap.

The point?

The point is that if you get AH in there to disrupt things and create negative plays, the Colts get out of the hurry-up b/c it's not effective.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only person on the face of the earth who thought Carlos made a clean interception of fart face on the opening series of the game?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

scamp, this place has become toxic....used to be some good discussion, but now its just personal attacks.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Thx, SCamp. It's getting that way, isn't it. Of course, the content could have something to do with that, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

pepper5

"That puts management in a bind, where they basically have to pay big bucks to resign him or look like utter idiots."

Amen, reverend, amen.

The path out of this would be not to extend McNabb, but find a clever way to flip him to, say, Arizona or Minnesota with the hopes of getting picks in return.

Some very interesting and solid college quarterbacks will be in the draft next year, and anyone from Luck to Ponder to Mallet to Locker might be worth 'training up'.

The alternative?: playing a veteran in #5 who just won't satisfy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only person on the face of the earth who thought Carlos made a clean interception of fart face on the opening series of the game?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:51 AM

Not at all, read further up. I'm convinced it was an INT, but we're not talking about it because if it had been ruled and INT the resultant fumble would have hurt us.

But I'm still convinced that when you catch the ball and take 3 or 4 steps, and the ball pops loose after you hit the ground, you've got an INT.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

But what I'm saying is that I'd be hard-pressed to give big money and years to a guy who's making the same mistakes in D.C. that he made in Philly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I think he gets the years he wants, but maybe not the dollar amount.

To put it simply, I disagree with your idea that the plan at QB for next year should be to spend another high draft pick at QB to grab a guy like Mallet.

I think that it would better serve the team to spend that pick elsewhere.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Why? Why can't they franchise him and trade him and then draft a young stud QB?

What makes you look like an utter idiot is when your Plan A doesn't work out, but you stick with it anyway because you don't want to look like an utter idiot by switching to Plan B.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Two questions. How much does it cost to franchise a veteran QB like DMN? How much of that very high cost do you have to eat when you "trade" him?

How does the loss of all those resources impact your dealings with other players on the roster you may want to sign?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Re: AH and Colts Hurry-Up

To all the Einsteins on the blog who are noting that AH would not have been able to keep up w/ Colts hurry-up -

The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it.

The reason they kept getting positive plays with it is b/c there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run.

The reason there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run is b/c instead of having a legit hands-down disruptive tackle in the middle (like AH); we had Vonnie Holliday and Andre Carter standing up trying to "confuse" Manning with a furious game of pattycake getting blown off the LOS with ever snap.

The point?

The point is that if you get AH in there to disrupt things and create negative plays, the Colts get out of the hurry-up b/c it's not effective.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

scamp, this place has become toxic....used to be some good discussion, but now its just personal attacks.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM

What I miss the most is that we used to get early feeds on PFT stories, most of which were so early that they never actually appeared on PFT. Man, that was some insider stuff!

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

There's no value to lose, get it? He only cost money so there is no reason not to cut the fat bastard.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended

I don't think you understand opportunity cost.

Posted by: rexforab | October 18, 2010 11:05 AM |

Econ 101 my man - even though that was over a decade ago for me. I don't agree that 'opportunity cost' ramification is applicable here because of the added factor of the new staff (GM, Head Coach, new staff, etc.). This cost was incurred only really by the owner of the team and the impact was only really on the staff that is no longer with the organization. That puts the cost of Haney into a vacuum. Further, there is an additional potential cost to consider and that is the negative impact on the rest of the organization due to the rapid decline of the initial investment.

What this means in English is best summed up by the "One rotten apple..." axiom. If in fact Haney is a bad apple - and he is - then it can be expected that the longer he remains as a part of the organization, the greater the chance that he will "spoil the whole basket". This includes coaches, players and FO folks and their inter-organizational relationships that may be strained or suffer from keeping on the "bad apple".

There comes a time in every person's personal or professional life where they have to admit they screwed up and must force them self to realize that they won't be able to move forward and heal until they have completely divorced them self from the problem they created for them self.

So, if that wasn't clear enough, let me sum up with THERE IS NO VALUE HOLDING HAYNESWORTH WHILE HOPING FOR SOMETHING IN RETURN THAT MIGHT MAKE THE MISTAKE OF SIGNING HIM A LITTLE LESS PAINFUL.

The game is over, Danny and the Redskins lost. Admit that to your self, rid your organization of him and move on.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Two questions. How much does it cost to franchise a veteran QB like DMN? How much of that very high cost do you have to eat when you "trade" him?

How does the loss of all those resources impact your dealings with other players on the roster you may want to sign?

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM

You don't eat anything if you trade him.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

AH certainly could have helped with the defense, no question.

That is, if he was fit to play. And I'm not talking about cardio fitness. I'm talking about if he was able to get sleep. If his mind was focused on football and not wandering when he was on the field. If he was up to studying the gameplan at night rather than grieving for his brother.

The truth is, nobody knew his mental state during the week. It's never a question of his ability. He played for Tennessee for 7 years; he knows how to play Peyton Manning.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

scamp, this place has become toxic....used to be some good discussion, but now its just personal attacks.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Thx, SCamp. It's getting that way, isn't it. Of course, the content could have something to do with that, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM |

Yea, and I feel bad for ever having been a part of it. We do still get some good discussion but it doesn't seem to be all that often anymore. Tried over the last couple of days to weed out the trolls but a big group seems to love 'em. Oh well. Best we can do is to scroll on past certain handles.

My $.02: This is still a team in transition and looking for an identity. I never thought we would be rip roaring and rearing to go this year. If history has shown us anything it's that teams with this many "new beginnings" takes time to get it together. The fact that we are even winning ANY of these close games is a difference from recent past. I think that has more to do with team morale and will than mastering the schemes. Eventually this team will start to gel (if we can keep the same group of guys out there) and we will start to seperate ourselves from the chaffe. I figured it would take half the year to even get to where we are now. I think we are ahead of the curve and that is a credit to coaching and player character. By the end of the season we will have the playbook down and then we should be able to put a couple more pieces (players) in place that fit a little better. This team is an 8-8 team with loads of room for improvement. We still have glaring need on the O and D line plus some linebacker, WR, RB, and secondary issues. Some of those issues are more glaring than others. It will take AT LEAST another offseason, probably 2, to deal with these holes. Having said all that, we are a little bit ahead of where I thought we would be, especially with the schedule that we have. We have 2 tough games coming up. The Bears are no joke but more beatable than the Colts. They have a tough D. The Lions are getting better and can't be underestimated, especially looking forward to a bye.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

And the sad reality is:

We're only one ahead of the Cowboys in the loss column.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 18, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but even though we are right above them, it's actually by a lot cause we are 2 1/2 games ahead of them. Plus I'm not convinced both Philly and NY will remain hot, at least one has to slip. We've just gotta keep winning!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe's Urban Dictionary:

F U C K I N G H Y P O C R I T E

Definition:

Someone who not only has a double standard, but also uses a condom while operating it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

scamp, this place has become toxic....used to be some good discussion, but now its just personal attacks.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 11:54 AM


No kidding.

Last week after the GB victory, I kept peeking on the blog and it was a week-long curse-trading grond over Devin Thomas takes.

Seriously lame.

Just ignore them - the fake Cowboy trolls that are really RI sock-puppets, pabrian, schmucks like Poopy who come up here to bring schtick and Simpson quotes instead of actually trying to talk football

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Someone who not only has a double standard, but also uses a condom while operating it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:05 PM |

Bang! The real MistaMoe's back. LMAO.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Last week after the GB victory, I kept peeking on the blog and it was a week-long curse-trading grond over Devin Thomas takes.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

They should provide a rating scale at the top of the blog!

"This blog is rated R today cause of the hypocrites, trolls, and the fact that we lost. Enter at your own risk!"

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell will undergo an MRI on injured knee
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 18, 2010 11:58 AM ET
Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell had a quarterback rating of 10.7 on Sunday against the 49ers. That's worse than any start JaMarcus Russell ever had.

Campbell's struggles were exacerbated by a knee injury. He told Comcast Sportsnet Bay Area that he will undergo an MRI on Monday after suffering the injury in the first half.

Despite all the talk of progress this offseason, the Raiders offense looked rather familiar on Sunday. At one point, they had five straight three-and-outs. They had only two first downs during a ten possession run. The 49ers allowed only 179 yards of total offense, their best day since 2004.

Raiders coach Tom Cable said after the game he never considered pulling Campbell for Kyle Boller, who was the team's backup with Bruce Gradkowski hurt.

Campbell's effort could go a long way towards ultimately giving Gradkowski his job back. Only Jimmy Clausen has thrown for fewer yards-per-attempt than Campbell this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 18, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

My $.02: This is still a team in transition and looking for an identity.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


That's exactly what it is.

DMac makes plays for the offense, but he doesn't have command of it yet and I think he and Kyle are still feeling each other out (no homo).

Yesterday was the first game all year that we established a legit running game that was moving the chains - took us until Week 6 to find it.

We are calling the defense "bend don't break", but that's NOT the idea. The idea is to be the Pittsburgh Steelers which is NOT a "bend don't break" defense.

On the positive side though:

1) This team is clearly competitive - 3 wins against 3 teams that all went to the playoffs last year ain't bad at all. They play to the end and they don't give up. THere's definitely a different kind of all-around kick-a$$ attitude that didn't exist under Zorn.

2) We are unearthing some homegrown gems - Zo, Anthony Armstrong, Banks and a couple of other unheralded guys making lots of plays for this team is good. No more relying on overpaying some other team's diva to come in and make plays for us. OUR draft picks (Orakpo, Landry) are guys to build around.

3) In defense of the defense, we've been playing against some really good offenses - Dallas, Houston, GB, Indy. That's a murder's row of offenses to play against, and while there's alot to gripe about the games have been close.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse


scamp,

what started out football talk was quickly doused by one beep-beep who, like so many times before, has to tell folks what and what not to post. you even responded to tampax for crying out loud. according to beep-beep, you shouldn't have.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Alright, on to next week. Jay Cutler vs Brian Orakpo.

Does Cutler make it through the game?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

An int & a fumble... I'm really starting to wonder what SJK'ng game we're watching...

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what Plan B is if we don't sign McNabb?

I don't know about y'all, but my PLAB B has two words:

Ryan Mallett

He's big, has a strong arm, comes from a NFL style passing scheme, he's a solid deep ball thrower, he's been a multiple year starter, and he's played big SEC games on national tv.

Mallet looks just like SamBradford looked two years ago.

And I'd say he'd look better in burgandy and gold.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

I disagree....Cam Newton all the way!!!!


Posted by: Lisa_R | October 18, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Re: AH and Colts Hurry-Up

To all the Einsteins on the blog who are noting that AH would not have been able to keep up w/ Colts hurry-up -

The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it.

The reason they kept getting positive plays with it is b/c there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run.

The reason there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run is b/c instead of having a legit hands-down disruptive tackle in the middle (like AH); we had Vonnie Holliday and Andre Carter standing up trying to "confuse" Manning with a furious game of pattycake getting blown off the LOS with ever snap.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM

You're joking, right?

After 4 no huddle plays, AH wouldn't have been a hands down DT, he would have either been stretcher or bench-and-oxygen fodder. That pace would have especially destroyed AH. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's "all that". That's what Cerrato did and see how that turned out?
Haynesworth looked mighty comfortable eating shrimp cocktail and drinking fuzzy navels watching his teammates do all the work, as usual. He may never want to play again.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

what started out football talk was quickly doused by one beep-beep who, like so many times before, has to tell folks what and what not to post. you even responded to tampax for crying out loud. according to beep-beep, you shouldn't have.

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM

I really don't care who started it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

From Twitter:

"RedskinsInsider - RB Ryan Torain appeared in locker room with left knee heavily wrapped. Asked if he was dinged, he smiled broadly and said he was fine."


Gadzooks! Not the new bell cow...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Re: AH and Colts Hurry-Up

To all the Einsteins on the blog who are noting that AH would not have been able to keep up w/ Colts hurry-up -

The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it.

The reason they kept getting positive plays with it is b/c there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run.

The reason there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run is b/c instead of having a legit hands-down disruptive tackle in the middle (like AH); we had Vonnie Holliday and Andre Carter standing up trying to "confuse" Manning with a furious game of pattycake getting blown off the LOS with ever snap.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM

You're joking, right?

After 4 no huddle plays, AH wouldn't have been a hands down DT, he would have either been stretcher or bench-and-oxygen fodder. That pace would have especially destroyed AH. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's "all that". That's what Cerrato did and see how that turned out?
Haynesworth looked mighty comfortable eating shrimp cocktail and drinking fuzzy navels watching his teammates do all the work, as usual. He may never want to play again.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

yikes...cooley has had 3 previous concussions.... ugh... he could be a short-timer... big bummer... ugh... go fred davis!

torrain was awesome.

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good. can you imagine indy with a regular quarterback? (on the other hand, can you imagine if cr22 could catch?)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Re: AH and Colts Hurry-Up

To all the Einsteins on the blog who are noting that AH would not have been able to keep up w/ Colts hurry-up -

The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it.

The reason they kept getting positive plays with it is b/c there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run.

The reason there was no pressure on Manning and no one to stop the run is b/c instead of having a legit hands-down disruptive tackle in the middle (like AH); we had Vonnie Holliday and Andre Carter standing up trying to "confuse" Manning with a furious game of pattycake getting blown off the LOS with ever snap.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 11:57 AM

You're joking, right?

After 4 no huddle plays, AH wouldn't have been a hands down DT, he would have either been stretcher or bench-and-oxygen fodder. That pace would have especially destroyed AH. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's "all that". That's what Cerrato did and see how that turned out?
Haynesworth looked mighty comfortable eating shrimp cocktail and drinking fuzzy navels watching his teammates do all the work, as usual. He may never want to play again.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Early Chicago forecast for Sunday --

65 degrees, chance of a shower, 11 mph winds

Not bad at all for this time of year!

There, I posted more info than RI today.

Goodnight Hessone.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse


cutler is beyond trying to figure out, but if you can get him on the ground one time, you own him. dude holds the ball to long, which should make it a long day for the bear's

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

well it's afternoon and the skins haven't traded AH. and i really hope they don't. the dude seems like a sharp dude, slightly over confident in his god given athleticism but sharp.

the fact that he was in the owners box last night does lead me to believe that he's not going anywhere. i hope he stays and i hope he stuffs forte and TC/cutler next week. but their D is freakishly good.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 18, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

P1funk, I also am in support if playing Haynesworth. Everyone has an ego, sometimes the players won't be able to check theirs, but the coach should be able to.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good. can you imagine indy with a regular quarterback? (on the other hand, can you imagine if cr22 could catch?)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 18, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Not only Manning was good last night. Those receivers were right where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. A lot of those passes were simply impossible to defend.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

cutler is beyond trying to figure out, but if you can get him on the ground one time, you own him. dude holds the ball to long, which should make it a long day for the bear's

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:26 PM

Indeed. Having said that we have ANOTHER pass rusher to look out for this weekend. Pullius Jeppers on the books. Honestly, can anyone remember when we've had a string of D lineman to play against like we have so far this year. It's gonna get worse in Detroit. At least so far the strength of our oline has drawn the matchups. With Detroit it's a beast against our interior line. That's scary. Bet Donovan rolls out a whole lot in the Detroit game.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Rogers has to take off the gloves, i dont understand how Coach doesnt make him take off the gloves

if u cant catch with the gloves, take 'em off, because it clearly dont make a f-in difference

Rogers, take off the gloves

remember how ST21 used to

ive really never seen anything like it

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 18, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the triple post...my router is acting real goofy today.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

like so many times before, has to tell folks what and what not to post

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:18 PM

Jes tryin to help you out hess. You keep making a fool of yourself up here. You're like one of those screechy little yap dogs that starts barking when he hears a strange noise and then can't stop. If you don't value my advice, don't read it.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

That pace would have especially destroyed AH. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's "all that". That's what Cerrato did and see how that turned out?
Haynesworth looked mighty comfortable eating shrimp cocktail and drinking fuzzy navels watching his teammates do all the work, as usual. He may never want to play again.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


OK. Not sure if you got the gist of my post, but whatever.

The inconvenient truth is that our best defensive effort this season was against Philly - that was also AH's best game disrupting things in the middle.

There's nothing "foolish" about trying to get at least 10cents on the dollar's worth in terms of game-time work from our best DT. AH sitting in the owner's box eating shrimp is the coach's fault. Period. Next time activate him and make him play.


Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse


me thinks AH should be on the sidelines with the team like CP was.

we seriously need to upgrade our FS position in the upcoming draft. KM looked horrible last night and just can't tackle for squat

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Since you have the oldest team in the league it isn't getting any better anytime soon.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex |

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement, PampaTex. Good luck to your 1-4 Cowboys, too.

Posted by: TheCork | October 18, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Beep's never told PlayAction what to post...you have though hess haha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

That pace would have especially destroyed AH. Don't fool yourself into thinking he's "all that". That's what Cerrato did and see how that turned out?
Haynesworth looked mighty comfortable eating shrimp cocktail and drinking fuzzy navels watching his teammates do all the work, as usual. He may never want to play again.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | October 18, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


OK. Not sure if you got the gist of my post, but whatever.

The inconvenient truth is that our best defensive effort this season was against Philly - that was also AH's best game disrupting things in the middle.

There's nothing "foolish" about trying to get at least 10cents on the dollar's worth in terms of game-time work from our best DT. AH sitting in the owner's box eating shrimp is the coach's fault. Period. Next time activate him and make him play.


Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I am here to talk football. I'm just not on the opti-bus. I question shannahan as a personnel man. I think he brought in a bunch of old duds.

He's trying to sell that he doesn't need Hayney. I totally disagree.

What was the whole LJ Willie Parker thing about?

Why didn't bidwell or gano have competition in camp?

Lichtensteiger? Really?

Trading picks for big splash McNabb made us off season champs, but then what?

The 3-4? Not sure about that one either.

Devin Thomas? They could have cut Logan Paulsen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse


beep

like one of those screechy little yap dogs that starts barking when he hears a strange noise and then can't stop.

you used this one just last week on someone

NICE ONE

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

From Twitter:

"ryanohalloran - Defensive players agreed that Haynesworth could have helped pass rush against undersized guards/center."


Play the mofo, or get rid of him. This is just mind-boggling.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"The reason that the Colts kept going to hurry-up is b/c they kept getting positive plays with it."

They were successful because the hurry up prevented the substitution pattern Hazlett's been using all season.

And if AH plays, the interruted pattern would've blocked him from getting on the field anyways as the colts knew what schemes/down distances are used when he's on.

They never let the redskin defense get set or a complete read on their formations as soon as the ball was placed, the colt's went right into using hand signals and line calls.

Too, the crowd quieted down during that time which made it easier for the colts to use line play calls.

And because they knew from game film that reading LL was the key to what the coverage was, all they did was exploit the side of the defense from where he might be blitzing from.

The touchdown to Garcon was the best example as LL was faking pressure, but at the snap, couldn't get back in time to help KMoore.

The whole 'amoeba' defense concept only works when an offensive team works slowly.

And the colts knew that if they slowed the game down early, we'd have a better chance against them.

Give them, and not a lack of AH, credit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Who doesn't think Haynesworth could have helped against Indy?

Some of you act like this was a novel offense that Haynesworth never could have kept up with. He played SEVEN seasons in the NFC South. And the Titans were relatively successful against Indy (as successful as any team has been during the 2000s).

It was his mental state that I would have been worried about, not his physical ability.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth did just fine against the colts as a Titan, so how about canning all the speculation about how he WOULD have played

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 9:24 AM

Somebody is grumpy this morning!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 9:33 AM |

Goodnight Hessone.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 12:24 PM |

Beep's never told PlayAction what to post...you have though hess haha

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 12:36 PM |

ax to grind play ?

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"Play the mofo (AH), or get rid of him. This is just mind-boggling."

What happened to all the goodwill extended to Prince Al after his brother's untimely death?

The same folks who thought he shouldn't played against the packers are aping that he missed the colts' game.

Just goes to show you the power of a loss.

The team's, not AH's.

Had we beat the colts in his absence, folks wouldn't have jack to say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The whole 'amoeba' defense concept only works when an offensive team works slowly.

And the colts knew that if they slowed the game down early, we'd have a better chance against them.

Give them, and not a lack of AH, credit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The "amoeba" concept only works when you've got a QB that gets confused/gittery about where the rush is going to come from.

Peyton doesn't get confused/gittery with stupid gimmicks like that.

That's why I fault Haslett and his dumba$$ gameplan that backfired totally. Did he think Manning was going to freak out b/c Holliday, Carter and Golston are playing ring around the rosy?

The best way to disrupt Manning is with some good old fashion push/pressure up the middle b/c he's not a mobile guy. Our best shot at getting push/pressure up the middle comes from AH - that's a fact. I know it's an inconvenient fact b/c he's a selfish a$$ and we hate hit attitude, but it is still a fact.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

ax to grind play ?

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 12:49 PM

Yes...I'm grumpy and tired...and taking it out on you...my apologies hess...it is all true though...except the going to sleep part...I wish.

Redskins 24, Bears 20

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post... move it on over...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Damn right PA.I've been waiting all day for someone to point that out.All I've heard is that AH should've played,McNabb blew the game,CR22 cant catch,Haslett sucks,etc...Maybe,just maybe,we ran into greatness on the wrong night.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What happened to all the goodwill extended to Prince Al after his brother's untimely death?

The same folks who thought he shouldn't played against the packers are aping that he missed the colts' game.

Just goes to show you the power of a loss.

The team's, not AH's.

Had we beat the colts in his absence, folks wouldn't have jack to say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:55 PM

Um, my comment was in response to what his teammates said. They said he could've helped. He apparently was chomping at the bit to get back out there. But the coach decided to deactivate him because he missed practice on Wednesday.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 18, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Damn right PA.I've been waiting all day for someone to point that out.All I've heard is that AH should've played,McNabb blew the game,CR22 cant catch,Haslett sucks,etc...Maybe,just maybe,we ran into greatness on the wrong night.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Beep Beep and Beantown,"

"This is a blog. Rachel can respond to whoever she wants to. If you don't like it you don't have to read it. Stop admonishing her for responding to the Cowboy idiots. As many back & forths ya'll have had with posters, you guys should be the last one's directing orders."

Posted by: ga8085 | October 18, 2010 11:04 AM

So, lets see... You're criticizing Beep and Bean for telling others what they should and should not post by telling Beep and Bean what they should not post. Ooooo-kay

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I am here to talk football. I'm just not on the opti-bus. I question shannahan as a personnel man. I think he brought in a bunch of old duds.

He's trying to sell that he doesn't need Hayney. I totally disagree.

What was the whole LJ Willie Parker thing about?

Why didn't bidwell or gano have competition in camp?

Lichtensteiger? Really?

Trading picks for big splash McNabb made us off season champs, but then what?

The 3-4? Not sure about that one either.

Devin Thomas? They could have cut Logan Paulsen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse


I understand your frustrations brainiac, I do. I want the Redskins to win as bad as anyone, but in your case I think you either:
1. Expect too much to get done in one offseason.

OR

2. It doesn't really matter who we picked up this year, you would still find a way to b*tch and complain.

Only so much can be done in 1 offseason. Vinny and Co. really screwed this team and it's gonna take time.

Like it or not, McNabb is a major improvement to the 'old soupster'. Torain and KWilliams could be developed into our starter/3rd down backs respectively. Young will probably take over for Sellers next year at FB. AA is making strides as a starter. Trent Williams held his own against a dominating DE last night, even after being out cause of an injury! In fact, the whole OLine is better, not perfect, but much improved! Gano, Sundberg, Smith, Banks, Sellers and Alexander are having good years for Special Teams. Carriker is a solid young starter at DE. Our future ILB's are here with Riley and Henson.

The 3-4 will be better next year with players getting better at it AND more pieces plugged in.

By the way, Gano DID have competition in camp. Rayner was here kicking with him for weeks, but they decided to go with Gano.

I know we're still a little ways to go, but you make it sound like we are hopeless and in last place.

I for one am aboard the Optimistic Bus, but can still complain here and there about the organization for messing up. Staying positive and supporting your team doesn't mean you have to agree with EVERYTHING they do, but you kind of take it to extremes.

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Peyton doesn't get confused/gittery with stupid gimmicks like that."

"That's why I fault Haslett and his dumba$$ gameplan that backfired totally. Did he think Manning was going to freak out b/c Holliday, Carter and Golston are playing ring around the rosy?"

If Manning wasn't the slightest bit confused, at least initialy, then why was he throwing the ball at our guys like nobody's business in the first quarter-plus of the game? The problem wasn't the game plan, it was with the 'Skins' execution of that plan. By my count, the D should have had four picks. That would have made the game plan, and the game itself, look a lot better from a 'Skins' perspective.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Some input seems intended to prove how knowledgeable the authors are. Nuts! Be thankful you have a team that is finally focused because the coach knows how to coach. (Look at the Chargers...led by a guy who never will be a top head coach) Sure there are issues but I think that we all know that it will take about 3 years to fix the draft mistakes of the past...you have to use your top picks to get top offensive linemen who have the youth and smarts to help you for years. The new kid will be good but "in time"...right now he gets caught holding. For now appreciate how hard the guys we have are playing...and they are competitive...they will win some of the tight ones so what else can a fan want?

Posted by: fatdadret | October 18, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The reason we lost is because we did not get to manning enough and when we did and forced him to make bad throws we did not capitalize. Imagine if we had forced six turnovers instead of the three we got. I try to defend Carlos because to drop an sure INT you have to at least be doing a good job of covering butt dayum he drops them all. If there was a career stat for dropped INT's he would be in the record books. But like I said, at least he is there to drop them. I wish he could hang on to a couple. Those three dropped INT's were worth 3-7 points. That would be a tie or a win.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Damn right PA.I've been waiting all day for someone to point that out.All I've heard is that AH should've played,McNabb blew the game,CR22 cant catch,Haslett sucks,etc...Maybe,just maybe,we ran into greatness on the wrong night.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 1:02 PM
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We ran the "Greg Williams" defense on Manning better than Greg Williams himself, but when you keep dropping the picks, you're going to run out of chances.

Bottom line, given that CR is never going to learn how to catch, if Moore continues to develop into the opportunistic FS he seems to be, and we get some OL specifically C|RG|RT to compliment what we are developing at LT, LG we'll be where we want to be.

Until then, let's keep it close and try to squeak it out at the end.

This is a better start than Marty Ball. Gotta be happy about that. Lots of upside to this coach and his plans for a well disciplined team.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | October 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I do like there fight. If they can keep up the intensity and improve in some positions they could contend. There biggest problem to me is focus. They tend to play good against the good teams then play lousy when they think their opponent is not soo good. I guess they know if they dont play good against the Eagles, Packers and Colts they will get embarrassed. But getting embarrassed is playing lousy against the Rams or Lions. If they can beat the Bears they may have a chance to be 500 or better by the end. They still have not met the G-Men yet and NY usually dominates them. If they can split with the NFC east and beat the other NFC teams on their schedule they may can win a wild card tie breaker with a 9-7 record.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 18, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

man was ever i hatin' on manning last night... he's unbelievably good.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Manning is good and he will pick you apart if you play your defensive hand too fast. But he will also make a mistake because he is playing QB and coach at the same time. Thats how he gets beat sometimes in big playoff games against the good teams. He is coaching on the field against defensive coordinators who have the time to think of ways to beat him while he is trying to outsmart them and play QB at the same time. Thats why the Bellichecks and Greg Williamses outcoach him in big games. Its hard to be player coach against great coaches and coordinators when they have time to study and game plan for just you. But he was reading the skins schemes so well the receivers were making catches standing still, thats how open they were getting. One guy caught a pass and walked out of bounds. But all in all the skins did a decent job but should have had those int's. They were worth the points they lost by.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 18, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The announcers for the Redskins are the worst. Have you ever heard the interviews after the game on Redskins.com? Where do they come up with these questions? They amaze me that they can even get a single player to come over and be interviewed. Have you noticed that only the newer guys will even talk to them? After a win they still point out every little mistake the player made and ask the player what went wrong.
“you almost broke one, you almost stopped’em, what can this team do differently?” And that’s after a WIN!!!
After a loss? Oh man! I cringe when I hear the questions. I feel embarrassed for the players that have to put up with incompetence, unprofessionalism and lack of true journalistic ability. They are almost as bad as the reporters at the post-game press conferences. But there’s a difference here. These guys are paid by the Redskins organization! They are not trying to sell papers! I love the idea of getting that raw emotion and instant analysis from the players immediately following a win or loss but these three stooges belong in a bar trading stupid question with each other, not Redskin Nation.

Posted by: lorenzoac | October 18, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

When the colts started fast pace the skins could not sub and was getting tired. They also could not call any exotic plays. Our best hope was what we were doing, running the ball and keeping it for as long as possible. In order to beat the colts you have to score at least 27 points and you probably need a pick six along the way and a couple of sacks to throw Manning off.

Posted by: ged0386 | October 18, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

3-3 isn't a lost season when looking at the records around the NFC.

They need to fire Haslett today!!!!! This defense isn't even a bad punch line. They outright suck!!

I couldn't believe what I was seeing last night. Guys standing around on the front line!!! 1 guy in a three point stance!!?? sometimes none!!??

We need to get a new coordinator in here and fast. we have personal to be in the top 10 without question.

Posted by: skins91r | October 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Does AH92 get a pay check for a game when
he's on the inactive list? I had heard that
he normally gets a 800K check per week. Does
that apply even when he's inactive and physically able to play? Tks...

Posted by: DeployedFan | October 18, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I know the way Shanahan and Allen run this organazation it might take 2,3 years to win a super bowl. I also know haynesworth will not be a part of it. I'm a very positive person and that includes when you see one mole with cancer cells you get rid of the mole. when you have a guy with nothing but bad coming out of his mouth it brings alot of others down. Haynesworth needs to be put on IR next fake injury then take legal action for breaking his contract screw us srew you

Posted by: southportwave | October 19, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

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