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Chris Cooley's football camp is this weekend

We've told you about Donovan McNabb's football camp on June 12 -- which, incidentally, is expected to move to the Washington area next year -- so it's only fair that we tell you about one that's taking place a bit closer to home.

Redskins tight end Chris Cooley will host his camp this Saturday and Sunday at Fairfax High School. All of the details can be found here but the camp is open to both boys and girls, ages 7 to 14.

Cooley will be providing instruction at the camp the entire weekend, and because he has more than a couple of friends in the locker room, it shouldn't surprise you if a few teammates showed up as well.

By Rick Maese  |  June 1, 2010; 11:59 AM ET
 
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With mandatory mini camp and training camp beginnning soon, I am officially proclaiming my annual..."I'm Roooting for These Guys to Make the Team"

1) Selvish Capers- If he can be coached up, we may have the Left and Right Tackle spots sewn up for years to come.

2) Brandon Banks- I'd love to have a "little speedster" that is a return specialist. I've seen this dude in college and he's fast as daylight and fearless.

Honorable Mention: Terrence Austin...again a small speedy wideout.


Peace!

Posted by: rickyroge | June 1, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104 | June 1, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104

Haynesworth won't show out of fear of being served with child support papers in the middle of warmups.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 1, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104

Haynesworth won't show out of fear of being served with child support papers in the middle of warmups.

Posted by: Predator48

I was confused about the whole Fat Al lawsuit thing......the baby isn't born yet right? Is he legally required to support the mom before the baby is born?

Not defending a guy who knocks up a stripper and splits, but curious?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | June 1, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I expect him to have a very good year now that his body has had a chance to catch up to his weight loss.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe

I have no idea how good BMW will be this year, but I agree -- and like the way you phrased it -- it would take a year for his body to catch up with that much weight loss.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for Big Mike to do very well this year.

I really trust Shanny's choice of O-linemen, in Denver he always made it work.

I also really hope we can get Otogwe.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Otogwe is a SS. Do we really need another SS on the roster?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I was confused about the whole Fat Al lawsuit thing......the baby isn't born yet right? Is he legally required to support the mom before the baby is born?

Not defending a guy who knocks up a stripper and splits, but curious?

Posted by: rupertpupkin

You think it didn't occur to her that if she quit taking "the pill" she could win the pro-athlete lottery? The conversation probably went something like this.

AH: "Hey, hey, hey, you best be taking that pill everyday"

Stripper: "Oh-b, cay-b fat Al."
AH:"Cuz I jus' wants to play, and not end-up havin' to pay."

Then she "dated" him for nearly exactly the amount of time it takes to ensure she was fertile during their "relationship." Funny coincidence...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Otogwe is a SS. Do we really need another SS on the roster?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

ummm....yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 1, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I hope BMW does well.

Always thought he would struggle in 2009. Step 1 was change the body, step 2 was relearn the new body and step 3 is relearn the subtleties of the game played at a high level.

I think he got thru step 1 and was into step 2 in 2009. He should get thru step 3 early this season ... we'll know if he can play at this level within the first handful of games this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

if you have a chance, check out the Sports Bog, Jon Jansen still is whining about being released....time to move on.....get over it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe is 5'11", 205...


You sure he's a SS? Seems like he's built to play FS, IMO.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

This one time, at Chris Cooley's Football Camp..........

Posted by: monk811 | June 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Link Greg...You know we here on RI is lazy.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter: in Haslett's 3-4 there isn't truly a FS and SS because they are sort of asked to do the same things on different halves of the field. Atogwe could play here.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104

Haynesworth doesn't show then he loses money, among other things (trade value, the potential to regain the support of fans, etc). He'll be there with bells on.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

JJ did a great job making sure the PK got his kicks off unmolested.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

It's not Jon Jansen's fault the Redskins decided to "reward" his years of dedicated service with a massive contract just as his career was on the decline. It's the Redskins' fault. And in doing that they virtually guaranteed he'd be cut in pretty much the fashion he was cut.

How Jansen could act like this was a surprise, let alone an insult, is beyond me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Not quite a "Thanks for making me a millionaire"

Must have been tough being unemployed for all of 24 hrs.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | June 1, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Not personal? After giving so much of myself, physically and emotionally, to an organization, how was I supposed to see myself as a business transaction?

............

Plenty of people across the state of Michigan can attest that no matter what the circumstances are, when you lose your job, it is very personal for you and your family.
"

By Jon Jansen

Ok, Jon...trying to have the people of Michigan losing their auto job vs you having banked maybe $20Mil+ for your fam and then getting cut is comparable?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Just curious about whether Jansen can still play. If so, would we be in the Oline nightmare we are now had we kept him?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Jansen was injury prone and a shell of his former self by the end of his career. To be honest, the Redskins kept him a year or 2 too long.
Think about it: He was let go because he lost his job to Stephon Heyer! Yeah, that's right, you gotta be pretty bad to lose your job to him. Enough said!

Posted by: monk811 | June 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Bad choice of words; by trouble for BM@, it appears it was junk food, laying around watching TV, movies etc.

But not breaking laws, committing immoral acts etc.
Sorry, guys, and more importantly sorry BMW.

Am truly hoping this second year in his "comeback" will be successful for BMW and the Skins.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | June 1, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"He (J Jansen) was let go because he lost his job to Stephon Heyer! Yeah, that's right, you gotta be pretty bad to lose your job to him."

That's like losing your job as a lookout to Stevie Wonder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Jansen started 2 games for the Lions last year. He hasn't been relevant since 2006. Very good 2nd round pick for us but his story is no different than countless other players released because their production doesn't equal their pay grade as they age.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 1, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Very good 2nd round pick for us but his (J Jansen's) story is no different than countless other players released because their production doesn't equal their pay grade as they age."


That's because like most men, the older they get, they better they think they are.

Or were.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey MistaMoe,
A good reminder you provided.
Perhaps we incorrectly over evaluated Heyer because we thought he was good enough that Jansen could be released...
However Jansen according to the other 31 teams was done.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | June 1, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

tears for Jansen? Won't be mine.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame JJ for going to his home town team if they were gonna pay him.

At least the Redskins told him straight up what the deal was and offered to let him take a victory lap etc for his years of service.

He chose to hang around and get some more ducats... cool. But this continual banging of the I was wronged drum seems like a way for him to self motivate.

He has always had media aspirations... I assume this writing gig for the Detroit rag is just a way to get close to that so he gets his next gig as the 7th analyst... doing those scintillating Rams Lions games on Fox.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Will be interesting if JJ gets thrown in the mix on Halloween... I'd really love to see the Redskin's young edge rushers clean his clock and azz plant Stafford 4 or 5 times after all the crap he has talked. Maybe Haynie can line up over him and bull rush him into submission.

It wasn't personal, but it is now with his extended whine fest, LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

http://www.freep.com/article/20100530/SPORTS01/5300455/1356/SPORTS/Why-I-decided-to-play-for-Lions

pft update to follow shortly.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse


OK. My "personal" opinion of Jon Jansen has just hit an all-new low.

First, the dude acts like he played here for free. He was getting handsomely paid during those 10 years and throughout all those coaching changes.

Second, broken bones and surgeries happen in football, Jonny-boy. It comes with the territory of your career. Stop using it to gain some sort of personal sympathy and sentimentality.

Third, he conveniently ignores the notion that his level of play abruptly fell off a hundred foot cliff. If you've got so much great football left in you, why couldn't you even win a starting spot on the atrocious bottom-dwelling Lions? It's not like they're rolling out a bunch of Pro-Bowlers on that line.

Finally, the cherry on the sundae is the totally out-of-touch mentality that comes across from the highly-coddled athletes of our society. Jon, you were flown out to Washington on a private plane and given a choice for your career direction. You are a millionaire many times over. YOUE EXPERIENCE GETTING RELEASED FROM THE SKINS IS NOTHING LIKE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE AVERAGE GUY LOSING HIS JOB AND THEN HAVING TO SCRATCH AND CLAW TO FEED AND SHELTER HIS FAMILY.

What a chump...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

That's like losing your job as a lookout to Stevie Wonder.

Posted by: MistaMoe

LOL...very Funny sh!t!
---------------------------------------------
However Jansen according to the other 31 teams was done.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 |

actually it was 30 teams

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I like how Jansen says the Lions beating the Skins last year was a great personal victory for him. Was he even active for the game?

I'm sure that laid-off auto workers appreciate Jansen comparing his being released from an over-sized NFL contract to the demise of the companies they work for and the loss of their jobs. Yes JJ, everybody takes the loss of a job personally. You're a victim...blah blah blah
Yo, Jon. It was over because it was time for it to be over. Glad you got a new gig. Now put a Honolulu blue sock in it over your release from the Skins. It was never the interesting story you assume it is. You say you always hoped your career would carry you home? Lookee there. It did! Seems like the perfect time to quit whining about it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

However Jansen according to the other 31 teams was done.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 |

actually it was 30 teams

Posted by: jcnjcnj |

my bad...31 teams

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Jansen was a class act while he was here, and put in some good work for us. sure he dropped off toward the end, but then we got rid of him.

that's as it should be.

looks like the Free Press piece is just an introduction for the audience up in Detroit... sounds as if he'll be writing a weekly column, and wants to place himself as a "Lions insider" type of guy, despite the fact that the majority of his career was with the 'skins.

and that's fine with me.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104 |

The other key issue, of course, is will it interfere with Johnson setting up his audio system.

Posted by: TheCork | June 1, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Will Haynesworth be there? I think definitely yes.

Posted by: Section104 |

And he'll be in great shape..and then all the hate can cease...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

So, what is your list of guys-who-were-admirable-Redskins-until-they-got-released-and-then-went-out-like-total-donkeys?

Here's mine:

1) Jon Jansen
2) Rock Cartwright
3) Antonio Pierce
4) Brian Mitchell
5) LaVar Arrington

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

."I'm Roooting for These Guys to Make the Team"

2) Brandon Banks- I'd love to have a "little speedster" that is a return specialist. I've seen this dude in college and he's fast as daylight and fearless.

Honorable Mention: Terrence Austin...again a small speedy wideout.


Peace!

Posted by: rickyroge
-------------------------------------------

i'd like to see one of these speedsters make it also...Banks will be the crowd's favorite if he makes it...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

...though technically, I guess that Pierce and Arrington didn't really get "released" but you know what I mean.

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So, what is your list of guys-who-were-admirable-Redskins-until-they-got-released-and-then-went-out-like-total-donkeys?

Here's mine:

1) Jon Jansen
2) Rock Cartwright
3) Antonio Pierce
4) Brian Mitchell
5) LaVar Arrington

Posted by: p1funk |

Why Rock?...did he say something..did i miss it or what?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

1) Jon Jansen
2) Rock Cartwright
3) Antonio Pierce
4) Brian Mitchell
5) LaVar Arrington

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 2:06 PM

LaVar is, and always will be, the top donkey.

Posted by: MColeman51 | June 1, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Why Rock?...did he say something..did i miss it or what?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse


Oh yes. He went out about as sour-grapes as you could go.

He ripped the organization for not taking care of him and other dedicated Redskins.

This, of course, after he went out to test the FA market and not one team offered him ANYTHING, so he came slinking back to the Skins who were still willing to extend him a contract and make him a millionaire...that's why I put him at the top of the list because...the Skins were the ONLY team in the NFL willing to take care of him.

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT $NYDER,MAYBE YOU'LL WAKE UP BY WEEK 8

Posted by: hessone | June 1, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

_________________________________

OR YOU WILL... Wanna make a bet?

We're not talking about money... we're talking about never posting your hate here again... LOL

We are here to support our team because we LOVE THEM... It doesn't matter who owns the team, we just want them to have success...

hmmmmmm... obviously, there would have to be something in it for you, if I'm wrong... maybe you got an idea?? Others??

I'm just saying, the fans forced Snyder's hand last year & if changes were not made, I'm not so sure Fedex Field would be full this season... We have a GM that is HIGHLY regarded around the league & we have a coach that is HIGHLY regarded around the league... these guys have EGOS as big or bigger than Snyder probably when it comes to Football & their abilities to be successful. Danny had 10 years of playing fantasy football but failed to realize how true teams are built & not bought... and how role players play a major role to a team's success & not just stars that sell jerseys.

The problem is, even if the Skins' aren't winners this year, that doesn't mean they aren't going in the right direction. The true way to judge them will be how they perform the last 8 games when teams are playing for their seasons & there is a lil bit of a scouting report on the Redskins.

Posted by: tony325 | June 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Second, broken bones and surgeries happen in football, Jonny-boy. It comes with the territory of your career. Stop using it to gain some sort of personal sympathy and sentimentality.

...

Finally, the cherry on the sundae is the totally out-of-touch mentality that comes across from the highly-coddled athletes of our society. Jon, you were flown out to Washington on a private plane and given a choice for your career direction. You are a millionaire many times over. YOUE EXPERIENCE GETTING RELEASED FROM THE SKINS IS NOTHING LIKE THE EXPERIENCE OF THE AVERAGE GUY LOSING HIS JOB AND THEN HAVING TO SCRATCH AND CLAW TO FEED AND SHELTER HIS FAMILY.

What a chump...

Posted by: p1funk |

I LOVE the smell of Shadenfreude in the morning.

And I REALLY love it when one of the keyboard warriors here lectures a pro football player on how he should gut it out through injuries.

The tough guys here call in sick when their pre-menstrual cramps act up, and then rip a guy who comes back from a snapped achilles followed by a compound ankle/leg fracture.

You're right about how awful it is to lose your job, even if you'd expressed your sentiments in non-capital letters.

At the risk of straying into the political realm, I think it's safe to say Jon Jansen didn't personally cause the recession that has led to it.

.

Posted by: TheCork | June 1, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

cork, at this point in time, its whining, he knew the type of business he was getting into, and injuries are part of the price you pay, in return for taking that risk, you are rewarded handsomely. Was he this whiney when he was VASTLY overpaid......or is it just when HIS feelings get hurt....

he should have retired rather than doing what he's doing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 1, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT $NYDER,MAYBE YOU'LL WAKE UP BY WEEK 8

Posted by: hessone | June 1, 2010 10:10 AM

this sh!t is played out...why don't you BOYCOTT the BOYCOTT bullsh!t...you'll be buying an Orakpo jersey by Sept 1...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | June 1, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse


Cork,

I'm not sure how old you are now, but your stuff up here makes less and less sense as time goes on...not that it ever made much sense to begin with...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

cork, at this point in time, its whining, he knew the type of business he was getting into, and injuries are part of the price you pay, in return for taking that risk, you are rewarded handsomely. Was he this whiney when he was VASTLY overpaid......or is it just when HIS feelings get hurt....

he should have retired rather than doing what he's doing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

agreed...good point Greg

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

who really gives a bale of hay for what any of those ex-players say?

if Darrell Green turned all nasty on the organization, then I might listen.

but pretty sure that Philly and NY fans don't have their panties in a wad about Jurgensen and Huff doing the broadcast stuff and rooting for the 'skins.

that might not be a fair comparison, since they seem to be pretty level-headed and respectful with regard to former teams.

but still... give it a few years, and you probably won't care much about Jansen, Arrington, etc.

also surprised that Riggins didn't show up on p1funk's list.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

also surprised that Riggins didn't show up on p1funk's list.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

Yes..Riggos' a big hater he should be here...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow!Plenty of hate going around here. All I read in the article is that Jansen was very disappointed at being released, not that he hated the 'skins.
If you were cut by a team you considered the opus dei of the last ten years of your life, wouldn't you feel sh'tty about losing your job and going to Detroit? I mean get over it Jansen, but sheesh, enough with smack-downs on him; he gave it his all for ten years.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Does this mea ntaht jj won't be coming to BA's "bring all the old Redskins in from the cold" barbecue?


Cork... yer an azz hat. That is all.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 2:48 PM

monkey-cow mutualism is a wonderful thing:

http://www.loupiote.com/photos/3705727201.shtml

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes..Riggos' a big hater he should be here...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | June 1, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse


I've been critical of Riggo, but I can't possibly put someone who almost single-handedly delivered a SB to this city in the top 5 of that list...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

monkey-cow mutualism is a wonderful thing:

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo


mooo.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I remember being critical of the major extension for Jansen -- he was getting older and showing sings of breaking down. The odds of it working out weren't good.

Not one of Gibbs finer moments.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I always kind of liked Jansen. Plus, on that ankle thing, some people are born double-jointed, some have it forced on them. That was one of the nastiest looking breaks I remember (other than the one on Willis McGahee in college ... which wins the lifetime achievement award for nasty looking breaks).

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Some people are born double-jointed, some people have it forced on them. Willis McGahee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ifz2qqtm8&feature=related

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the nastiest looking breaks I remember (other than the one on Willis McGahee in college ... which wins the lifetime achievement award for nasty looking breaks).

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Another fun-n-cheery list: Nastiest-Looking Breaks in Football

(In no particular order)

McGahee @ Miami
Jansen's 180 ankle
Theisman - 'nuff said
Ed McCaffery's leg dangling in the wind

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Most players have a lot of pride and get their panties in a bunch when they get cut because they all feel like they can still play, so I do see Jon Jansen's side of it, just a little bit. But he's a fool if he can't see how much his skills diminished over the years. He really shouldn't be complaining because he is a millionare, and it really can't be compaired to an average blue collar guy getting fired. I do respect what he did here and understand the injuries that he's gone through. He's probably the most underrated Redskin in team history, dude definately should have made a couple probowls. But this is a young man's game, it's just that in this league an old man is over 30.

Posted by: monk811 | June 1, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

JJ did a great job making sure the PK got his kicks off unmolested.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 1, 2010 1:11 PM

But as a placekicker himself, Jansen's options are much more limited ...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0cbt3f69Cz2f6

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Tim Krumry in Super Bowl 23, San Fran vs. Cincy, dude's leg looked like a rubber band bouncing back and forth.

Posted by: monk811 | June 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Okay....June 1st is here and the day has come whether the RAMS pony up the dough or let ATOGWE fly free.

Do the REDSKINS have any interest in Atogwe??
I'd have to assume since we have a need at safety, deep pockets, and Haslett's experience with him that the REDSKINS have to be one of if not the top contender to grab him.

Opinions??

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | June 1, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Opinions??

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | June 1, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse


I bet they don't sign him. Shanahan and Haslett have both repeated over and over since before the draft that they love the safeties on this roster and that it is a strength of the team. I read somewhere that Kareem Moore has looked good in camp and might be a strong candidate for FS, if there is indeed a designated FS. Of course, I could be wrong and they'll swoop him up. Adding him definately wouldn't hurt the roster.

Posted by: monk811 | June 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No to Atogwe....You only need one highly paid safety, and one good workman like Safety.

See Clark, Ryan for example.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I was surprised the Skins held on to Jansen as long as they did. I thought they would have been justified in trading him after the '07 season, which he missed. Coming back from that injury, he probably had a little value. I wonder if it was Bugel's loyalty that kept that from happening. But when a guy is 32 & has missed two of the past five seasons with injuries, he should expect to be shopped, and at Target prices rather than Nordstrom's.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:07 PM

aside from death or paralysis (which happens rarely and extremely sad when it does), I would have to put Theismann on the top of your most recent list.

it's a dangerous sport that takes a physical/mental toll, and I respect players that tough it out. Jansen seemed to be one of those.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Opinions??

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | June 1, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse


No, unless we can move Laron Landry and get a decent pick in return and create room for Atogwe - then it makes sense to me.

But I don't think we have a skill/talent issue at safety. I think our mess at safety over the past year had to do mostly with asinine coaching/scheming with the personnel.

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

On nasty injuries:

Does anyone remember the Skins V. Girls Thanksgiving game, probably 7- 10 years ago?

Our punter at the time got his nose broke, and his nostrils were literally facing forward. Worst football injury I've ever seen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember the Skins V. Girls Thanksgiving game, probably 7- 10 years ago?

Our punter at the time got his nose broke, and his nostrils were literally facing forward. Worst football injury I've ever seen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse


YES!

Bryan Barker.

I believe he was holding on a blocked FG, and there was a scrum to recover the ball. He slid in to cover it right as someone else slid in (knee-first) and bashed his face through that dinky 1-2 bar facemask.

He came up with a pig snout...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No to Atogwe

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 3:20 PM

Well, if he's against it, I'm for it.

Actually, I've been an Atogwe fan before I was a fan of using a draft pick on a punter.

I wouldn't count on him as a tackler, esp. b/c of his bad wing (IR this year b/c of shoulder injury) ... but he is a LEGIT ballhawk ... WITHOUT taking stupid risks like DeAngelo Hall ... as well as super smart and plenty fast for not getting burned deep (like Landry).

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Napoleon McCallum, anyone? Make a wish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ8yOie0BY8

Posted by: SMACK1 | June 1, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

YES!

Bryan Barker.

I believe he was holding on a blocked FG, and there was a scrum to recover the ball. He slid in to cover it right as someone else slid in (knee-first) and bashed his face through that dinky 1-2 bar facemask.

He came up with a pig snout...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Is that on YouTube? That was the worst injury I've ever seen, including McGahee and Theismann.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 1, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

No to Atogwe

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 3:20 PM

Well, if he's against it, I'm for it.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:06 PM

This is Washington DC, how else can it go? Agreeance? Ba...hum-bug....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Agreeance?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 4:14 PM

Irregardless, if Haslett wants him, then I want him. If Haslett doesn't want him, I don't want him.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"as well as super smart and plenty fast for not getting burned deep (like Landry).

Posted by: dcsween"

Is Kareem Moore as smart and as fast?? We need Ryan Clark circa 2007 back there..

Patrick Crayton looks available for a trade- he had 5 rec. TDs AND 2 PR TDs last year...I say give the Boys a Santonio Holmes 5th, and we got two flying squirrels with one boomerang, oi...

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

He came up with a pig snout...

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 3:39 PM

The only "hog" who was not an offensive lineman.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

but he is a LEGIT ballhawk ... WITHOUT taking stupid risks like DeAngelo Hall ...

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


?????

Care to point out any "stupid risks" that DeAngelo Hall has taken in coverage since he's been a Redskin?

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Is Kareem Moore as smart and as fast?

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM

I figure we'll be finding out soon enough.

And DeAngelo Hall missed plenty of coverages b/c he was jumping routes. About "pointing out" specific instances, I think they are called "receptions" by the other team.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers had the #1 defense and the #20 offense that year.

The Colts and Cardinals (without running games) both lost the superbowl. Using them as arguments is like talking about the Bills, Broncos, and Dolphins of the 80s and early 90's. None of which were winning superbowls.

BTW that Steelers team had 506 passes and 460 runs that year. When you adjust for the 43 passes that were thrown to running backs (Mewelde Moore and Parker) you have balance. NOT PASS HEAVY!

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 1, 2010 1:07 PM


Alright, first of all, the Steelers were all Roethlisberger that year on offense. The main reason they were 20th on offense was because their running game was in the bottom 3rd of the league (somewhere around 23rd, I believe). The passing game wasn't prolific, but if you watched that season (and living in PA, I did watch a good amount of Steeler games that year) it was all Big Ben on offense.

Second, dismissing the Colts and Cardinals from the argument is shortsighted at best...I mean, since when is finishing the year as the best team in your conference a bad thing? Just because they came up a few points short of a title in the Super Bowl doesn't mean they weren't an elite team in that season. If you take Manning or Warner off those teams, they don't get to the big game without a ticket.

I think you're misinterpreting my remark that this is a passing league. That means you can't win without the ability to pass and pass well. NOT "pass heavy offense".

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 1, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Crayton looks available for a trade- he had 5 rec. TDs AND 2 PR TDs last year...I say give the Boys a Santonio Holmes 5th, and we got two flying squirrels with one boomerang, oi...

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 4:21 PM

for better or worse, Jones has Crayton by the balls, and doesn't seem to be loosening his grip. all of the noise is coming from the player/agent side at this point.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I hate being so agreeable, but Brownwood is right. This league rewards passing.

Why? Its economics.

The NFL decided the passing game is more fun to watch, so they've adjusted the rules to encourage passing the ball -- and get more eyeballs in the process.

The bias is in the rule book -- the game has changed and its useful to recognize it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Napoleon McCallum was one of the worst injuries. He blew out his knee and it bent 90 degrees the wrong way.

Posted by: NYSkinsFan1 | June 1, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Irregardless, if Haslett wants him, then I want him. If Haslett doesn't want him, I don't want him.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:19 PM

And what if HAslett wants DCSween to jump off the bridge?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 1, 2010 5:07 PM

done correctly, bridge jumping is an exhilarating experience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYqWazlL1uw

Perrine Bridge in Idaho is 100% legal for BASE jumps all year-round...

if dcsween has his name called, I hope he will respond accordingly.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for running through the all-time gruesome injury list, fellas. Really. Didn't even have to click through to the pix to have my stomach turned, just at the memory of those awful images seared into my brain.

Excited for the resumption of real-ish fubbal action, whenever that happens, just because the conversation seems to operate much better up here when we're stimulated by real-ish news... such as...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I figure we'll be finding out soon enough.

And DeAngelo Hall missed plenty of coverages b/c he was jumping routes. About "pointing out" specific instances, I think they are called "receptions" by the other team.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse


According to the stat-keeping at profootballfocus.com -

Among cornerbacks who played at least 50% of their teams snaps -

DeAngelo Hall was tied for 7th fewest receptions surrendered in the league(36), tied at 20th in the league for completion % in his coverage (56.3%), and was 4th in the league in cumulative opposing QB rating when throwing into his coverage (54.2).

You must be thinking of a different cornerback.

I know you are too smart to fall into the ignorant-but-popular knee-jerk criticism that DeAngelo Hall has been this giant liability in coverage, when the numbers clearly indicate he was actually one of the top cover-corners in the league last year.

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

time for the Atogwe to Philly rumors to start

Posted by: noluvdr | June 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noluvdr | June 1, 2010 5:29 PM

makes sense to me... Marlin Jackson ruptured his Achilles tendon, would anticipate that he'll be out for the season.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

And what if HAslett wants DCSween to jump off the bridge?

Posted by: 4thFloor

...something similar happened t 4thfloor, but somehow he lived to blog about it.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

How good would a team be if it was made up of players who happily accepted being cut from the roster? Maybe even worse than ours?

Posted by: mack1 | June 1, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | June 1, 2010 5:41 PM

exactly!

even if Jansen was in decline, he viewed himself as a competitor and acted as such.

would you rather have JaMarcus Russell types that go quietly into the night?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Goddam. Dante Hall is one of the only playmakers in our secondary. He produced picks and is a respected cover corner: who would you rather throw to all things equal, the receiver covered by 'los rogers or D Hall?
It isn't like Blache's system produced a lot of turnovers, and opposing teams threw to other receivers more, so I'm surprised he accomplished as much as he did. Hall will flourish under Haslett's scheme and 'los better get his f'cking azz in gear.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 5:20 PM

Did you actually watch the games or just read the stats?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 1, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

According to the stat-keeping at profootballfocus.com -

Among cornerbacks who played at least 50% of their teams snaps -

DeAngelo Hall was tied for 7th fewest receptions surrendered in the league(36), tied at 20th in the league for completion % in his coverage (56.3%), and was 4th in the league in cumulative opposing QB rating when throwing into his coverage (54.2).

Posted by: p1funk | June 1, 2010 5:20 PM

Once again, you prove that 81% of stats can be 69% misrepresented 92% of the time.

Using your metric of "played at least 50% of their teams snaps," DHall is ranked 43rd out of 65 CBs, while Carlos Rogers is 31st out of 65. [link to your profootballfocus.com boys provided below]. So, according to these "experts," Rogers was 18.5% better than DHall last year.

Also, F statistics.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=50&numgames=1

Posted by: 4-12 | June 1, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

time for the Atogwe to Philly rumors to start

Posted by: noluvdr | June 1, 2010 5:29 PM

Eagles just drafted their free safety of the future, Nate Allen, in the second round. Marlin Jackson was a dot dot dot anyway.

Save the stats for zcezcest. D. Hall jumps routes and gives up long passes with the same bad timing as Betts used to fumble.

Out partying with Jamarcus Russell recently and, after returning home, he was stumbling around knocking all sorts of stuff over ... the opposite of going quietly into the night.

If Jim Haslett wants D. Hall to jump a route, he should do it.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rage at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas

g'night all.. glad to see that football talk is back!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

... who would you rather throw to all things equal, the receiver covered by 'los rogers or D Hall? ...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 5:52 PM

Rogers. He can't catch a cold, but he keeps it out of the receiver's hands. Also, Hall goes by the name his mother gave him -- DeAngelo.

Dante is his infernal brother.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 6:08 PM

which circle of hell do you place him in? purgatorio seems about right for now.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Dante is his infernal brother.

Posted by: dcsween

Thanks, I'll make a note of it.
His mamma prolly don't 'llow him tuh call hissef Dante, no how. Still Dante is cooler than Lemongello or whatever.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

which circle of hell do you place him in? purgatorio seems about right for now.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

Third level with the hoarders, gluttons, and hedonists...look at his contract.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

which circle of hell do you place him in? purgatorio seems about right for now.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

Third level with the hoarders, gluttons, and hedonists...look at his contract.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 1, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

does the header on this blog seem outdated to anyone?

haven't heard much from Jason Reid lately.

most of the posts have been from the likes of Rick Maese, Paul Tenorio, Mark Viera, Zach Berman, and such.

don't really care where the lack of news comes from, since the participants are what make this blog happen.

Cindy Boren leaving is symbolic, just because it's nice to have a woman on top.

clearly seems like some type of transition is in progress.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

moo, I think the convention across the WaPo is to have one or two people as the lead on each blog, so we can identify a person or people with a blog, see his/her/their picture in the header, etc....

I'd guess that market research has shown we in the audience tend to connect with a blog more if it's associated with a person (even if that person changes over time) than with a subject. Just guessing, but that's my theory on this phenomenon.

This here blog has long seen posts attributed to various authors. No biggie to me. It's indicative of the amount of resources the WaPo has dedicated to covering the Skins and the NF of L. So ultimately I think it's a good thing. Many people contributing posts up top, many people contributing comments down here, that's how things roll.

Here I am blathering on again... carry on... as you were...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there's a Redskins Insider the Movie in the works?

Posted by: mack1 | June 1, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Huh. I prefer mack1's theory to my own.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 7:28 PM

more a minor point of interest in the larger stream of consciousness.

just seems like we don't have a singular scribbler to hate on right now, which might actually be a good thing.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Nate. But really it's your fault for thinking too much.

Posted by: mack1 | June 1, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

nah, we can still hate on Reid even when he's not in the credits.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 1, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

not sure how to handle Larry Johnson. i think outdoor concert sized speakers placed strategically in the tiny backyard a townhouse has and blast his dumb azz. problem is the other considerate neighbors....

maybe just go up to him and ask if he's Clinton Portis and ask for his autograph. that ought to make him sulk....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 1, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Regardless what is written or who writes it, there will be hating. Book it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 1, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

whatever happened to the guy who used to start the threads by saying "Panties"?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 1, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

while I'm at it whatever happened to

Gifford's ice cream

Double "R" Bar burgers

and

Pappy Parker's Fried Chicken

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 1, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

1. There's still a Gifford's in Bethesda Row, and (yay) it is good.

2. Roy Rogers?

3. er...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 1, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

"7-11" brand beer, the single worst substance ever conceived..I remember Jimmy Hefernan ("Landfill", Beerfest) from Joyce Kilmer Junior High in Vienna...We were both wastrels but good ball players, and were on the same intra-school team..I got expelled or suspended again for the umpteenth time and he writhed like a maggot on the gym floor when he heard, knowing he had lost the best player on his team...I thoroughly could represent the USA in a beer olympics, as well, believe me..You may actually see me in "Beerfest" 2 or 3, no sh*t..It would be set in a post-apocalyptic Hell, a la "Thunderdome", where the desert-rat brew competition would determine who gets the human meat and gets to reproduce with the mutant deformed women to further the grotesque species..There will be Oscars and vomit on the red carpet..

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"Riggos' a big hater he should be here...(on the list of people who leave and talk smack)."

I have to disagree.

Any guy who earned a ring can say what he wants how he wants.

John Riggins can complain about the skins from afar, and I'll listen even when I disagree.

But should anybody listen to Lavar, Rock, B Mitch, Jon Jansen, et al when it comes to fatmouthing the skins?:

Don't think so.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, frak's street cred just got bumped up a notch in my book.

"It's $10 for a BJ, $12 for an HJ, $15 for a ZJ..."
"What's a ZJ?"
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
"I've got $4."

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 1, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

whatever happened to the guy who used to start the threads by saying "Panties"?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 1, 2010 7:58 PM

He became the defensive coordinator for the Saints and won a Super Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | June 1, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I see someone said something disparaging about Angelina Hall and p1funk took the bait.

Attention RI: p1funk hearts #23

As far as the sour grapes list..

1. B-mitch: played for both the eagles and ginas. Has been essentially fired by Snyder 2x (skins & espn980).

2. LA: Actually his story is quite funny. He should have actually read the contract he signed and remembers things on his radio show slightly differently than they actually occurred.

3. Jansen: He was compensated quite nicely especially since his career was over 2 yrs before we cut him. (6 mil on the books last yr)

4. Rock: Always liked the little 7th rd pick out of K-state that beat the odds to stick with the skins all those years but he should have displayed a little more class as he was shown the door.

5. Marko Mitchell: Not him but the fans that lost their minds when he was cut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpimRrhWi4E

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 1, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Punks will be invited with "FREE BEER!!" ads...Me and the Geico caveman laying pipe on diamond studded bimbos on top of limousines, with their eyes rolled up in their heads...Rockers making itt with starlets , screams everywhere, limos in flames, beercans bouncing off of heads, the police call in an airstrike and the entire Acadamy gets napalmed...Screaming stars and Hollywood types in flames run madly in all directions...Me and my co-star heroine sit on a corner , draining a brew, and kiss, the end..

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody have a good explanation for why Capers fell to the 7th round?

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Do Not Go Gentle Into That Detroit"

I believe the poem actually goes something like this:

"Do not go gentle into that Detroit.
Old age should rage
at shoddy representation.
You craved bright Nike, and all you got was Voit."

"Though wise men know that Lion-hood is right,
when both knees rattle all through the night,
You need an excuse most adroit
To keep from going to Detroit."

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

There is a Roy Rogers at the Maryland House Rest stop off 95 North.

Posted by: rickyroge | June 1, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody have a good explanation for why Capers fell to the 7th round?"

He's a converted tight end who scouts believe doesn't have the upper body strenght needed to play right tackle.

His bench press totals at the NFL Combine in February were less than stellar.

Thing is, a guy can get stronger, so once he does, he'll have tight end athleticism in a right tackle body.

Selvish Capers is a 'win-win' for the redskins no matter how you project it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 1, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Well done Samson.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 1, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

There is a Roy Rogers at the Maryland House Rest stop off 95 North.

Posted by: rickyroge

When I read the blog starting at the bottom, its always fun to see a post that makes me wonder ... what could have ever inspired that entry?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 1, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"It's $10 for a BJ, $12 for an HJ, $15 for a ZJ..."
"What's a ZJ?"
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
"I've got $4."

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 1, 2010 8:53 PM |

If you can't afford $15 you got issues. Shouldn't bj's cost more than hj's?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 1, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

They used to run some particularly viciouso pryops on the street here , back in the day, scampbellpost..They had one-legged pregnant Puerto Rican b***ches thet would frame your honky a**cheek in a 102nd St. second, split open you manhood, suck all your innards out in one gulp, throw your a** to the Federalis to scavenge for body parts, without the whip cream and cherry, then sign off your tender to trade you to the same Persian Devil that killed Father Karras in ""The Exorcist"...

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are you talking about frak?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 1, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Senators can't get any love from the Jersey umps, they keep gettin' jobbed over and over, worse then a Scarsdale whiteboy tryin' to sell hip-hop in Harlem, jeez..

Posted by: frak | June 1, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"He's a converted tight end who scouts believe doesn't have the upper body strenght needed to play right tackle.
His bench press totals at the NFL Combine in February were less than stellar.
Thing is, a guy can get stronger, so once he does, he'll have tight end athleticism in a right tackle body.Selvish Capers is a 'win-win' for the edskins no matter how you project it.Posted by: MistaMoe"

Makes sense. Somebody said he was working at left tackle in camp so far.

I don't get the emphasis on the bench press. First, guys with long arms are at a natural disadvantage. Second, you don't play tackle lying flat on your back (at least, you're not supposed to). When you watch scientists measure football talent, they never even check the bench press.

So how did it get to be a combine test? Beats me.

You know, they even use it at the NBA combine. I think Kevin Durant did one rep. Of course, his arms are 34 feet long.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 2, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

..really, what's to hate on a Redskins blog, besides the 4-12?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 2, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

O.J. Atogwe is now a free agent and not a word about the Redskins...not one single rumor. The next couple of days should be interesting...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 5:18 AM | Report abuse

But is His Atogwe-Ness an FS???

Hip-Hop was invented by a Scarsdale whiteboy, it's documented..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

frak, Atogwe is a FS...not sure why so many up here keep asking that question when that's the only spot that I've seen him play.

On a side note, has anyone else seen where there's this push to get Donald Glover to be the next Spider-Man? I mean, really...I'm a black guy, but this is certainly a black cause I just can't support...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Frak is crazy as hell.

Sign me up for the Frak fan club.


brown, Not that I really care what color Peter Parker is, but what's wrong with a black spider man?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 2, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Red, nothing's WRONG with it per se...it's just that the character is white in the comics. And the cartoon. And the movie. So why change it up? It's not hooking us up to make Spidey black, it's a little condescending actually. I mean, I don't know how into comics/superheroes you are but don't you feel like making a move like that is a bit forced and phoney?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

anyone know when Chris Cooley's football camp is??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 2, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | June 1, 2010 9:53 PM

MOL... very nicely done.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure about a black Spiderman (didn't they have an evil black Spidey, with a long lizard tongue and sharp teeth?? Kinda like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde?? Or Larry Johnson??) , but they sh*t-sure could have fat-a**ed Queen Latifah as a calypygean Black Widow, with a giant red hourglass on her mungus butt..She'd have half of Hollywood spun like mummies and hanging from her massive web, with her ear glued to a cellphone..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Nobody seems to agree, is he a FS or is he FOS, don't tug my weenis..

Nothin' wrong with a black Spidey, the demographics ain't 'Bama 57 anymore..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

dude, go sell crazy somewhere else, we're full up here....you run out of medication or something....no liquid drano for you to put in your coffee??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 2, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

O.J. Atogwe is now a free agent and not a word about the Redskins...not one single rumor. The next couple of days should be interesting...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 5:18 AM

as far as rumors -- and we're talking major speculation -- the only thing I've seen is Miami, Dallas, Minnesota, San Francisco... I don't think he'll get 7 million per year, but the price is likely to be steep, which might be why we're not hearing anything about the 'skins.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Beantown, you need to file down those sharp corners on your square head, I suggest a Chelada..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 8:52 AM

hooray! is it chelada time already?!?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Have the NBA Finals started yet?

I'm just sayin'.

The regular season ended, what, six months ago?

It's June 2010 and the playoffs started at the end of the Carter Administration.

How much rest do those guys need?

The first game should've been in prime time Memorial Day.

Game 2 would've been tonite.

C'mon, Dave Stern, you gotta keep feeding the people your sport while the interest is high or folks will think the Celtics have already won the darn thing.

(Which they will.)

Between the the Gore divorce, bad summer movies ('cept Shrek), the World Cup, Venus Williams' thong issue at the French Open, Wimbledon, baseball, NFL Ballas gettin' suspended, and the Gulf of Mexico Spill Cam, a brotha has only so much of an attention span.

At least until football starts up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 2, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Ah, no visits scheduled for Atogwe and no rumors, it's a new cleaner, greener Redskins organization, pumpin out the old toxic waste and repelling the pesky $7 million knats and bugs that come along. Gotta love change.

Posted by: monk811 | June 2, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

as far as rumors -- and we're talking major speculation -- the only thing I've seen is Miami, Dallas, Minnesota, San Francisco... I don't think he'll get 7 million per year, but the price is likely to be steep, which might be why we're not hearing anything about the 'skins.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 8:47 AM


I could see that...maybe the media is finally coming to the realization that Vinny's not here to facilitate Danny's "fantasy football in real life" fettish. Boy, that would be refreshing if true...

San Fran could have a unique appeal...it came out during last season that Atogwe was dating Mike Singletary's daughter. Not only is Atogwe a good player, but apparently he's got cajones the size of basketballs for making a move on Samurai Mike's baby girl.

I she's grown and all, but how would you like to show up to the door to take her out for the first date and Mike Singletary is there giving you the "Bad Boys" routine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRiT3ISEN3M

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

moe, 1st game doesn't start until 9pm, est....could the NBA be more mismanaged?? I get that their in a different time zone, but thats just stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 2, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"It's not hooking us up to make Spidey black,..."

In my mind Superman has always been black.

Why?

Think about it: how many brothas do you know can think straight after smoking a blunt of kryptonite?

Like I said, Supermman is a black man.

He even has a dance named after him, something no respectful white superhero can say.

Thing is, when you consider the flaring red cape, the colorful tights, the sudden need to change outfits, his bald enemy, the Doc Maartens boots, the identity issues, you have some gay dudes who'd claim the Man of Steel as their own.

I can hear our effeminate bloggas loudly claiming Superman as a gay icon now:

"Not only is he super, he's so hard he's a man of steel."

"You couldn't ask for anything more."

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 2, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

moe, 1st game doesn't start until 9pm, est....could the NBA be more mismanaged?? I get that their in a different time zone, but thats just stupid...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 2, 2010 9:08 AM


Agreed that the NBA is wildly mismanaged, but I can't fault 'em for the late start time...I mean, that's a 6pm start in the West Coast. After navigating the LA traffic, you're lucky if you're just getting home for tip-off. It's tough to set a time that's beneficial for both sides of the country.

The only issue I have with the schedule is why the hell they feel the need to give both teams damn near a week between the Conference Finals and the Finals. Why they couldn't get things going Tuesday or Wednesday is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 9:07 AM

good catch and laughing at that one! hadn't heard the dirt on the Atogwe-Singletary connection.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I she's grown and all, but how would you like to show up to the door to take her out for the first date and Mike Singletary is there giving you the "Bad Boys" routine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRiT3ISEN3M

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse
ROFLOL. I believe Coach Mike could really play that role, with his beady stare!

Posted by: frediefritz | June 2, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

for a classic take on the question of superheroes straight from the 70s era of blaxploitation, how about Luke Cage?

http://elmcitytree.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/luke-cage.jpg

interestingly, there is a movie in the works with John Singleton directing.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Luke Cage?

The Orginal Black Hulk? And why is he looking for someone to hire him? I thought Super Hereos worked for free? I guess he was like SJK that...I done worked for free for 400 years, and I'm not doing that anymore. Straight Cash Homie......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 2, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Fred The Hammer...IS....BLACK RETIRED MAN!!!

Nats need to get that disgruntled Astros pitcher, just for getting jobbed last night..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

They get the Astros pitcher and Strasburg in 10 days , they'd have some serious lockdown, indubitably..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Steve Phillips said he'd trade Strasburg for Oswalt straight up...

Maybe Steve Phillips should STFU and sticking to piping gutter-faced-ballooned-bodied interns.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 2, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

THAT'S who Steve Phillips ruined his career and his marriage over?? OMG. No wonder I never trusted his analysis.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | June 2, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

That trade would be the stupidest thing thing ever...So it probably will happen..

Hey, Reid the guinea pigs are chompin' on the cage, some of our more "rationally" addicted types , like Comrade Beantown, are starting to blow their circuits, chanting, "WE ARE BORG", throw 'em some hamsterchow or a grenade or a Chelada..

Posted by: frak | June 2, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

He even has a dance named after him, something no respectful white superhero can say.
Posted by: MistaMoe | June 2, 2010 9:09 AM

Apparently you have forgotten about the Batusi.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 2, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Yep... threw it all away.... for that.

Last I heard about him, he checked himself into a "sex clinic" a la Tiger Woods.


WTF is up with that? Since when did it become a "bad habit" to like to get your bone on?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 2, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Black superheroes?

Um, Spawn?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 2, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Steve Phillips should STFU and sticking to piping gutter-faced-ballooned-bodied interns.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 2, 2010 10:04 AM


Between that, Jesse James' massive brain fart and Hugh Grant's downgrade from Elisabeth Hurley, it just goes to show that when a man is horny, he's gotta have it NOW...and any wet and willing hole will do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 2, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

football-related post on the next thread...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | June 2, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Blade is a good cereal if you want to get your Tarantino-Explojohowicz on ..Wesley got guttersniped by the IRS, jealous d***s..

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