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Samuels Agrees to Restructured Deal

A few weeks back I mentioned that Chris Samuels and Cornelius Griffin were two of the players likely to agree to restructuring their contracts in order to become a little more cap friendly (and put more upfront money in their pockets).

Well, Samuels has agreed to a new deal, according to a source with knowledge of the situation. I don't have the full details yet, but it was in line with the Andre Carter and Antwaan Randle El deals of a few weeks back.

His $5 million salary will be lowered and the Skins likely will save a few million in cap space, tacking on a few more years at the end of the deal.

The Skins still have one of the worst salary-cap situations in the NFL, although they could be roughly $10 million under the cap by restructuring a few more deals and releasing a player like Shawn Springs. I still cannot see them being in any kind of position to set a spending record on a player like Albert Haynesworth, but we'll see what we dig up in the next few days.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 24, 2009; 2:26 PM ET
 
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So did this restructuring free up about $100M in cap room? Just asking, no random news report on PFT making me ask or anything....

Posted by: HustlerofCulture | February 24, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

i think it's so funny how everyone has been bashing the Skins and everything they do...Including statements on this blog from the writer that we are doomed ...But yet every other day we get news like this which makes the sky a bit brighter than the DOOM AND GLOOM PICTURE BEING PAINTED!

Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 24, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So basically, we stretched his contract out to like 2020, so it wont hurt as bad when we cut him in 2012?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

...But yet every other day we get news like this which makes the sky a bit brighter than the DOOM AND GLOOM PICTURE BEING PAINTED!

Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 24, 2009 2:46 PM

many of us do think its doom and gloom and agree with JLC. look at all of the annually successful teams in the salary cap era---NE,Philly,Pitt,NYG---do ANY of them do business like the Skins do? letting go a young DE from the system to keep 2 old expensive DEs. even if they give you 1 year of good service---then what? no depth, big whole to fill, nobody ready to step in.

they may be hoping for an uncapped year to clean house and get rid of excess dead cap space, but if not it will be the same old thing. doing business this way ends up in the same result---8-8; they put their finger over 1 whole in the bucket each year and the leak springs from somewhere else

Posted by: fnkyniedls | February 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse
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I am not agreeing with what the Skins gave up to get Taylor. It was way too much. But like you said, the picks are long gone.
The team has done a pretty decent job in the salary situation because EVERY year it is said the Skins screwed themselves over and won't be able to make moves BUT they find a way to still make some splashes by a lot of restructuring of contracts. As pathetic as it is you have to give credit to the finance department to allow the spending we do even though it hasn't shown for much which is the fault of player pers.. I mean Vinny.
My point is if Taylor get's back to form with 10 sacks and a couple forced fumbles he is worth 8 mil a year. (True or false?)
Look at what the top DEnds are being paid.
Also, do me a favor and take a look at the top sack producers from this past season and look at their stats from the year before. Guys can have one down year and come back. You act like Taylor is some beat up old man. Guy looks like he still takes pretty damn good care of himself to me.
Are you living in a dream world thinking that we should have contracts on a year by year basis? Good luck with that dude...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse
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continued...

2007 SACK NUMBERS
Joey Porter - 5.5
Julius Peppers - 2.5
Dwight Freeney- 3.5
Lemarr Woodley - 4.0
+++ guess these guys should have been let go and unemployed in 2008...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels is a war horse and a true Redskin. We need more players with his skill and heart.

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | February 24, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

It's being reported that REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS

Reports that the Washington Redskins will sign Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth upon the start of the free agency period.

A contract that could break $100 million with an average of $15 million to $16 million per.

On Monday, Peter King of SI.com predicted that Haynesworth will land in D.C., pointing out that Snyder was seen dining in Indianapolis with Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck.

Posted by: gavila5 | February 24, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

two thumbs up, Mr. Samuels!

LET'S GO CAPS!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | February 24, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ok, so this is it... half full half empty time.

after one year of 'smart' spending we may be back to our old ways.

now in this scenario, you have to suspend belief that the skins FO will ever do things the normal (see good) way.

Do you take the free wheeling DS or Mike Brown the owner of the bungles.

The Bengals had one good year, overachieving for the most part, but are consistently bad to poor

Or us, continually over achievers that spend wildly and have nothing to show for it but mediocrity?

DS will be here a long time, and nothing will change that.. same with bengals.

So who would you take.

Sadly, it is 'grain of salt time' as a redskins fan

Posted by: Zeebs | February 24, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Beware of SPS

SPS is characterized by a player who plays extremely well when playing for a contract. Once he gets a contract and his pockets are straight, his overall productivity falls off noticeably.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Snyder can sign both Haynesworth and Hall. Hall is not going to to work unless you bring Shawn Springs back. I still continue to believe they absolutely need Carlos Rogers as well.

As expected they will bring Jason Taylor back. He is worth keeping for 2 years. I would much prefer they do this while reducing his salary because of the salary cap. But the current regime is very much into crony-ism, and nepotism ... strangely enough.

They will go to the draft for the OL as they should. And God only knows what will happen. They will have to hope for the best. The draft can be unpredictable particularly given the Redskins penchant to select people based on their agent and not their talent/character.

Posted by: periculum | February 24, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

that should call us under achievers...

Posted by: Zeebs | February 24, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The beat writer here never breaks the big story for us, but he knows how to report negative decisions which are the truth. Just also give us the positive news also.

Posted by: EGENOUS | February 24, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Samuels is headed for right tackle that's for sure. I wonder if they mentioned that during the negotiations?

Posted by: periculum | February 24, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Here is a news flash for all the true fans. Unload Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs and anyone over 30 with large contracts. Don't sign any expensive free agents. Play the younger talent thats on the roster, draft players and sign more free agents from the college group not drafted. Field a younger team. Build up cap money like other teams are doing. The Over the Hill Gang is Done! Stop it now. Start over...Go Skins.

Posted by: eztiger44 | February 24, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

not to be a d*ck eztiger;

but that doesnt make much sense. cutting samuels, jansen, and other over 30er's would kill the cap more than it would help.

and its not a news flash, this is all that has been talked about the entire offseason.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 24, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It's being reported that REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS

Reports that the Washington Redskins will sign Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth upon the start of the free agency period.

A contract that could break $100 million with an average of $15 million to $16 million per.

On Monday, Peter King of SI.com predicted that Haynesworth will land in D.C., pointing out that Snyder was seen dining in Indianapolis with Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck.

Posted by: gavila5 | February 24, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It's being reported by a Houston sports talk radio host. I take that as being nothing short of fact. Please............

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 24, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

many of us do think its doom and gloom and agree with JLC. look at all of the annually successful teams in the salary cap era---NE,Philly,Pitt,NYG---do ANY of them do business like the Skins do? letting go a young DE from the system to keep 2 old expensive DEs. even if they give you 1 year of good service---then what? no depth, big whole to fill, nobody ready to step in.

they may be hoping for an uncapped year to clean house and get rid of excess dead cap space, but if not it will be the same old thing. doing business this way ends up in the same result---8-8; they put their finger over 1 whole in the bucket each year and the leak springs from somewhere else


Posted by: fnkyniedls | February 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Then why are you not hired as a gm or a consultant to the skins...you seem to know sooo much about players who they see run plays 1000s of times and have face to face meetings with and talk to regularly...You see what? few plays in preseaon and than a 16 game season with an avaerage of 40 plays...and you know whats best for the Skins...who to cut who to keep who to pay and who not to pay?

Why dont you at least get a scouting job for a hS team..or soemthing...you have sooo much knowledge...

BTW what has Philly actually won other than a good record??????

Posted by: leevi98 | February 24, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

periculum:"Samuels is headed for right tackle that's for sure"

I thought he was still too light for that.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

B mitch just said Haynesworth is going to be a Redskin.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 24, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

They're still obsessing on 40 times over at the Combine. I never understood that. So what if Malcolm Jenkins runs a 4.55 and Vontae Davis a 4.35? Two-tenths of a second running in a straight line isn't a decent test of anybody's football skills. A DB will spend as much time running backwards and sideways as forward.

Once heard it explained by a veteran safety: a skilled, intelligent DB can quickly make up for a gap in speed of two or three tenths of a second, simply by guessing right. If the receiver has a tell -- and most do -- that eliminates the edge right there. When DBs get beaten badly, it's usually because of a miscommunication about coverage -- not a clear speed advantage.

Exceptions for Bob Hayes and Randy Moss, of course. They're just a whole lot faster than most other people.

The veteran DB went on to say that it's much, much harder to make up a significant difference in size or quickness (between receiver and defender, that is).

Posted by: Samson151 | February 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

leevi98 is exactly right.

Nearly every jerk on this board is a self-proclaimed GM/football genius.... yet none of them are employed as such.

I guess instead of taking high profile gigs with NFL teams, they prefer to bestow their vast knowledge upon the readers of RI.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Really a side note, but Lance Zierlein is a fairly well connected guy (dad is Pittsburgh's OL coach) and has come up with solid information in the past. For example, he scooped everyone on the Pioli signing, and his draft stuff is usually fairly solid.

As for the Haynesworth possibility, I'll be curious what the numbers look like. I imagine the cap hit may be fairly small for 2009, with the Redskins putting a lot of hopes on an uncapped year.

That said, this team still needs a lot of things.

depth in the secondary - they can wait for cheap veteran free agents or undrafted free agents at safety, but CB depth is spotty.

depth at LB - Fletcher and McIntosh and ...? I don't like the Jason Taylor to SAM move that JLC suggests, as I'm not sure you can have Taylor cover consistently. Considering the limited resources this offseason, they can probably wait on LB. I'd still try to pursue Angelo Crowell if possible.

DL - I imagine, if Haynesworth happens, that Canty probably can't, and as such, DE may come through the draft. Can they keep Haynesworth and Griffin? It'd be nice, so that they have good depth with Montgomery and Golston, but it might be unrealistic to keep Griffin if they sign Haynesworth.

OL - Much as an OL overhaul is needed, my guess is one draft pick (Andre Smith or Michael Oher) and a veteran FA, along with maybe Pete Kendall being brought back, with Jon Jansen probably getting cut. Short of it is, I think Samuels/Rabach/Thomas will be starters, Rinehart as depth, and that they'll look to create challenges at RT and LG. It wouldn't stun me if the Redskins OL is Samuels/Oher/Rabach/Thomas/Heyer.

A young developmental QB and RB would be nice. They can probably find the later in FA, veteran or UDFA.
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WR/TE - They've made their bed with the moves last year. Not much to do here but hope. I wasn't huge on Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, or Devin Thomas pre-draft, but them's the options.

Posted by: toonsterwu | February 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:39 pm EST

Rumor: Redskins to back up the truck for Albert Haynesworth
By MJD
I don't know what Albert Haynesworth is doing right at this moment, but I'd imagine it's a pretty strange feeling to be hanging out on a Tuesday, knowing that when Friday rolls around, a number of people are going to be fighting for the privilege to give you around $100 million.

I don't know what I'd be doing if I were in his shoes. My best two guess are 1) Chilling out in a massage parlor, wearing a robe that's way too short, lighting cigars with $100 bills, and paying some woman to rub lotion on me, even though I have absolutely no desire to be smeared in a lotion of any kind ... or 2) hiding in an undisclosed location, surrounded by bodyguards, just to ensure that I'll live until Friday.

But I digress. Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle, who would like to remind you that he nailed the Scott Pioli-to-the-Chiefs report, is today reporting that it's the Redskins who will attempt to bury Haynesworth alive in cash.

This time around [the source] tells me that the Washington Redskins will break the bank to sign Albert Haynesworth. The Titans could come over the top of the Redskins deal as well, but my guess is that the Redskins will let Haynesworth get the best offer possible from the Titans and then "better deal" it.

My source tells me to look for a contract that could break $100 million with an average of $15 million to $16 million per.

I'd like to go on record as saying that if anyone out there is worth that kind of money, it's Albert Haynesworth. Dan Snyder's made his poor free agent investments in the past, but I'd fully endorse the signing of Haynesworth.

He's 27 years old, and the most dominant player in the league at his position, if not the most dominant player in the league, period. When Haynesworth is on the field he's going to occupy at least two blockers in the middle of the line, pretty much eliminating the possibility of the opposition running the ball between the tackles. He gets pressure on the quarterback, too. He is a one-man disruption.

And when you're facing Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber and Brian Westbrook six times a year, and the usually stout offensive lines in front of them, a guy like Haynesworth could be extremely valuable to have around.

Gracias, Pro Football Talk.

Related: Brian Westbrook, Washington Redskins

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Very DC tastic day today as the Senate passed the bill to give DC voting rights in the house.
Granted this makes citizens of washington 1/3 the citizen of every non Washingtonians.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

if b-mitch said it, it must be FACT.

This all stems from P. King stating that Snyder and AH's agent had dinner.

It MUST be true then.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

well, with AH, JT and AC, our pass rush may negate some of that lack of CB depth.

I am sure the haynesworth contract will be the same as most, huge signing, low first year with each year increasing after that.

we just need to fit that prorated portion of the signing bonus under the cap...

I think we are def banking on an uncapped year next eyar.,

Posted by: Zeebs | February 24, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

B mitch just said Haynesworth is going to be a Redskin.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 24, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

No he didn't

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 24, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Z's, SRS? Classic. Genius, I like it, therefor I must steal it from you...

I just wanted to say that RI is crack served up over the internet, highly addictive and should be viewed only in moderation... I've been reading the argument between psps vs. Floud21, and I must say that neither one of you have convinced me that one is right over the other.

Both of your arguments are that good.

BUT, I just don't see how you bring back Jason Taylor at 8.5 mil. I agree that he has something left, but if the defensive scheme isn't modified a little to fit Taylor then nevermind the fact what you gave up to keep him, it would be worse if you let him stay. Besides, the D line starts with the DTs, if they are ineffective you could put Reggie White at end and still come up with the same results. Reggie White always had a very good DT playing beside him in either Green Bay or Philly. So I guess that brings up...

Haynesworth? How are the 'skins signing anyone with his asking price?? 15 or 16 mil, did I read that correctly?

Cut: Springs, Taylor, and Griffin. What is so hard to understand about that? Sign: Hall and possibly Canty (For the right price). Draft: Orakpo, Smith, or one of the two LB's from USC at 13. - That's my offseason right there, plus three more picks of need , and a couple of FA signings during camp. That's it.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Here is a news flash for all the true fans. Unload Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs and anyone over 30 with large contracts. Don't sign any expensive free agents. Play the younger talent thats on the roster, draft players and sign more free agents from the college group not drafted. Field a younger team. Build up cap money like other teams are doing. The Over the Hill Gang is Done! Stop it now. Start over...Go Skins.

Posted by: eztiger44 | February 24, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Here's a news flash for you from true Redskin fans who pay attention. The organization does not do business that way. What rock have you been living under?

Posted by: virtueandvice | February 24, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

leevi98 is exactly right.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

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What do you two think the point of this blog is? We are all just giving our opinions based on the information we have. Clearly the FRONT OFFICE is making mistakes due to the lack of success despite the consistency in approaching and handling off-season changes the same year after year...

PLEASE indulge us with the worthwhile moves they have made and explain to us how all is right in Redskins Nation. Explain how the team is headed in the right direction not only for 2009 but the next couple years and we will all gladly discuss....

The floor is yours...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This whole Haynesworth thing is a joke. The only positive thing about it is he's only 27, so theoretically he has quite a few decent years ahead of him. I just can't see how paying one guy this much money, when there are distinct needs on both sides of the ball is a good thing.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | February 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking to myself why the skins if the rumors are true would go after Haynesworth so hard when he has some character flags, given that this FO always talk about character as one of the most important factor in player acquisition. Then it hit me that Sherman Smith most have really gone to bat for Haynesworth. I hope that Sherman is right in his assessment of the big fella.

Posted by: TWISI | February 24, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

He should agree to retire...he is a lahoooooser!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

true dat twisi

Posted by: Zeebs | February 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Explain how the team is headed in the right direction not only for 2009 but the next couple years and we will all gladly discuss....

The floor is yours...
Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 3:40 PM |
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What makes you think it's headed in the wrong direction? Zorn has been HC for one season, and they finished 8-8 (a record most would have been happy with back in August, but then fans were spoiled by the 6-2 start, and devastated by a 2-6 finish).

As for "holes" or "mistakes," there are 31 teams that are addressing those issues right now, because the only team that feels good about the job it did in '08 is the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth??? God no.... We scored 16.6 points a game. Only four teams scored less. So we are going to tie up a massive chunk of money on people who aren't going to score points for us.

Who do you trust to do more with less Blache or Zorn? My money is on Greg. Get Zorn more tools on offense by spending the Haynesworth dollars on the o-line!!

Posted by: will_ga | February 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

With our luck, Haynesworth will be another Big Daddy Wilkinson for us. Don't go for this dude!

Posted by: joeboggs | February 24, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Cut Jason Campbell first and foremost.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 24, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow.....

Like i've been saying.

Sit back and relax!!!

12:01 this friday great things will happen.

But where are all those people saying..

we don't have money, no money,blah blah blah.

We are upgrading a 8-8 team!! Relax.

Stay tuned for more....gosh

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"the only team that feels good about the job it did in '08 is the Pittsburgh Steelers."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:45 PM

I respectfully disagree.

I think that feeling of a loss season may have dwelled in the minds of the playoff teams in '08 from the time the clock struck zero in the 4th in their respected games until they were boarding their flights to a white sandy beach "some place where the degrees don't drop".

Fans are VERY delusional about how the players who actually play the game see the game, and what matters to them.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"As for "holes" or "mistakes," there are 31 teams that are addressing those issues right now, because the only team that feels good about the job it did in '08 is the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

Sure, that's an argument you can make. But beyond the surface, those 31 other teams also have more draft picks and more cap space to address those holes, and a majority of them have a younger average age for their projected returning starting lineup (that last part I don't actually know if it's true, but I'd put good money on it that I'm right).

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Who do you trust to do more with less Blache or Zorn? My money is on Greg. Get Zorn more tools on offense by spending the Haynesworth dollars on the o-line!!

Posted by: will_ga

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Well you could argue that the Haynesworth signing frees up the rest of the offseason for total concentration on the offense. That includes the offensive line during the draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Put the tape in from last year of Haynesworth and see why we want him..

Its not just that skins are falling in love with certain players.

They sit down and put in a tape and ask themselves.....can this player help us?

YES
YES
YES

He will create double teams and more.

Now I understand everyones problem with paying him soooooo much money.....but I would rather have him than sub-par players that took us 8-8 last year.

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

So all 31 teams have A) More cap space than the Redskins. B) More draft picks than the Redskins, and C) Have a lower average age among starters than the Redskins.

Is there a stat sheet that proves all this?

If so, then you're right: we have the worst franchise in the NFL.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Most overrated phrase(s) NOW and surely over the next few weeks leading up to the draft: Character risk, red flag, and cancer.

I wonder how many of you were character risk when you were 22 years old? The only reason that you didn't have your "character issues" out there for the whole world to see was because you weren't anyone the general public actually cared about.

I know there isn't anyone perfect on here. I know this. Some of you have done worse than skipping out on a meeting or stomping a opponents head (although Guroude[sp] f'd with Haynesworth the whole game).

throw, stones, glass houses...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So we can sign Haynseworth and Hall, pay Jason Taylor and trade Shawn Springs for a 2nd and 6th round picks, right?

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 24, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

VERY INSIGHTFUL! Thanks for contributing. The glass is FULL guys the glass is FULL!

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Javon Walker and Devin Thomas had something in common last season- 15 catches!

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 24, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Get ready folks........

......adding Haynesworth will allow Moe to polish off his 3-4, 4-3 hybrid D argument.

Only this time, they won't be an argument but a statement about what is about to happen.....

...but again, why so much money on D for a team that scores like a drunken virgin in a Las Vegas cathouse?

Neither Haynesworth or Canty block or score points.

If either he or Haynesworth is signed, the draft is going Orakpo at pick 13, then all o-lineman.

Bet your unvalued about to foreclosed upon house on it!

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

We can afford Haynesworth...Danny has made it work with less cap room...the guy is a cap genius...

Oh and Jason Campbell stinks, cut him.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 24, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

VERY INSIGHTFUL! Thanks for contributing. The glass is FULL guys the glass is FULL!

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:04 PM |
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You were expecting what? Made up stats that trash the franchise? Jokes about Vinny's eyes?

By the way, your use of "us" and "we" is very telling.

Do you ever do anything on your own?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Springs for a 2nd and 6th, Marcus Mason for a 2010 1st, and Leigh Torrence's old cleats for Michael Turner, Portis for Adrian Peterson, and Randy Moss, and finally Jon Jansen for Detroits 2 First rounders this year.

Did I miss anything.....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"Here is a news flash for all the true fans. Unload Jason Taylor, Shawn Springs and anyone over 30 with large contracts. Don't sign any expensive free agents. Play the younger talent thats on the roster, draft players and sign more free agents from the college group not drafted. Field a younger team."
Posted by: eztiger44 | February 24, 2009

NEWS FLASH straight from RKO Keith's Antenna:
The SKINS have ONLY 4 DRAFT PICKS. Most of last year's crop of 10 picks were flops. Especially Chad Rhinehart. NO, don't say Buges wouldn't play him because he was too young ... HE PLAYED HEYER as a starter in HIS FIRST YEAR AT BOTH TACKLE POSITIONS!!! So, Rhinehart at this point is a flop. As were the wide receivers. Only Horton ...

Now with 4 picks what do you do? You certainly don't trade down as they did last year because that did not help them. Cerrato does not know anything about talent ... he only knows agents who take him out for free meals.

You keep Jason Taylor for at least another year until you can find someone to replace him. You keep Shawn Springs because you need to draft a Champ Bailey to replace him, and guys like that are rare. You cut Marcus Washington and plug Jason Taylor in his place (apparently that's the plan). Taylor is the same age but much, much healthier.

You stop trading draft picks. You let guys go as you can to ease the cap numbers. You try to get more high round draft picks. You find someone who knows talent/character to help Vinnie.

Posted by: periculum | February 24, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I am sure the Patriots, Cardinals, Titans, Ravens and Falcons to name a couple are looking at their seasons as HUGE disappointments and feel they have to make just as many if NOT more changes/additions then the Skins for next year...

The first year coach thing doesn't exactly fly for this past year man. Look at the Dolphins, Falcons and Ravens...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

chris Canty at 8 million a year is starting to sound good, leave Haynesworth alone.

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 24, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The reporter who is insisting the Skins will sign Haynesworth is coming on 980 momentarily....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the glass is 1/4 empty then 1/2 full than after that 1/4 empty.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

will_ga

'...So we are going to tie up a massive chunk of money on people who aren't going to score points for us...'

Correct answer!

Would you like to go to the Double Jeopardy round where you can win the money Demetric Evans hoped to get?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 24, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Perc,

I think his name is Morocco.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 24, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora,
Do you think that you could provide some actual information of the cap numbers instead of generalities like "one of the worst salary-cap situations in the NFL" and "likely will save a few million in cap space"?

Posted by: amaranthpa | February 24, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

lisa, if you could please recap, I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

how many people really believed at the begining of the year the Cardinals would be in the SB?


An old old old QB led them with an old experience RB and two pair of young WR...and so on.

Each year any team can really win based on schedule, coaching, preperation....and so on...

No one had the Cardinals going to the SB...

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The first year coach thing doesn't exactly fly for this past year man. Look at the Dolphins, Falcons and Ravens...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:08 PM |
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OK. Look at 'em.

Why do people like you believe football is STATIC?

Just as they rose from the dung-heap in one season, they are just as likely to finish 4-12, 5-11 or 6-10 this coming year. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Why? Because that's life in the NFL, where parity is king and Pete Rozelle is considered a God because of it.

And what makes you think the less number of losses a team has in any given year, the less "holes" they need to fill in the offseason?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Its not just that skins are falling in love with certain players.

They sit down and put in a tape and ask themselves.....can this player help us?

YES
YES
YES

He will create double teams and more.

Now I understand everyones problem with paying him soooooo much money.....but I would rather have him than sub-par players that took us 8-8 last year.


Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 3:57 PM


Riiight, like that tape they studied on Archuletta, the same way they studied the tape on Randle El. Or maybe Vinny uses a board. The same board that told him 'f' the lines, get receivers and draft them like so: WR-TE-WR. I could go back further, but...

Dude, don't you know who the evaluators of talent are on this team? Save for a couple of no-brainers (Taylor & Landry), this FO has f'd up time and time again, and will continue to do so, if they never committ to a year or two of actually rebuilding.

I, myself would deal with zero wins for one season (i'd bet if they were to seriously rebuild they could get more wins) if the pay-off is a perennial playoff team for the next 10 years. Going winless isn't what it once was thanks to Detroit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't "trash" the franchise or make up stats.

There is certainly a great deal of trial and error and a lot of copy-cating in the league from year to year...

My issue is with the front office seeming to use the same philosophy year after with no results. Players and coaches change sure, but team philosophy should not. Just look at the Steelers, Patriots and Colts.

I have every right to voice my opinion as a STH. Will I stop watching the team? No, cause I love the team but that doesn't mean I can't criticize them either. I'm just as happy as anyone else when a move works out and will be first to give credit where credit is due...

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Maybe AH is coming in to play QB so we can run the wildcat!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

All 32 teams ranked by current salary cap space against the 2009 limit of $123 million per club. They are ranked from most cap room (Tampa) to least (NY Jets).

by John Miller, Draftsharks.com

1. Tampa Bay: $42 million

2. Arizona: $41m

3. Denver: $34m

4. Kansas City: $33m

5. Tennessee: $31m

6. Miami: $28m

7. Buffalo: $27m

8. Detroit: $26m

9. San Francisco: $26m

10. Houston: $25m

11. Philadelphia: $25m

12. Cincinnati: $22m

13. New England: $21m

14. Minnesota: $20m

15. Atlanta: $20m

16. Pittsburgh: $19m

17. Baltimore: $19m

18. Chicago: $19m

19. Green Bay: $18m

20. Cleveland: $17m

21. Jacksonville: $16m

22. San Diego: $14m

23. New York Giants: $11m

24. Dallas: $10m

25. Carolina: $9m

26. Seattle: $9m

27. St. Louis: $8m

28. Oakland: $4m

29. Indianapolis: -$2m

30. Washington: -$3m

31. New Orleans: -$5m

32. New York Jets: -$7m

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN 980
Lance Zierlein
"A bloodbath of cuts to try and get this guy"
Source is "Tied in pretty well with some important people in the process..."
"people are getting huffy and puffy bout, how the skins gonna do this... I know one thing, when u think that u can't make something happen cap wise, there is always a cap-ologist and a agent that can make it happen."
'adding Haynesworth is a great move, i'm not buy into the argument that he's gonna tank....'

Alludes to casey Hampton back when he joined the stellers..... and endorses him, severely. talking schemes....

On Jason Taylor: "I dont think he's gonna be a redskin..."

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss anything.....??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 4:07 PM

Ladell Betts and a 5th for a 2nd and 3rd.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

So all 31 teams have A) More cap space than the Redskins. B) More draft picks than the Redskins, and C) Have a lower average age among starters than the Redskins.

Is there a stat sheet that proves all this?

If so, then you're right: we have the worst franchise in the NFL.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

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Projected 2009 salary cap: 30th out of 32 teams:

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp


Traded 2009 NFL draft picks: only team to trade more - New Orleans. Redskins are 31st out of 32 teams here:

http://football.about.com/od/nfldraft/a/tradedpicks.htm

As far as the average age, I said I don't have anything for that, just an educated guess based on what I know from other teams.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

How many of you idiots said to stick with Jason Campbell? How did that work out for us?

I think my opinion is the only one that matters, since Campbell stunk up the joint... again.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 24, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

IF Haynesworth is signed, the draft is going Orakpo at pick 13...

Posted by: MistaMoe | 4:05 PM |

I think there is something to this. Orakpo may or may not be there at 13 but they will take the best defensive player they can at that spot. Why? Because they believe the offense will roll with Malcolm, Devin, & Sleepy contributing big time. So by having an awe inspiring defense to go with what the FO sees as a much more productive offense we can compete with any team this year. I can hear Vinnie & DS harmonizing now: "Championship!!!"

Posted by: will_ga | February 24, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Projected 2009 salary cap: 30th out of 32 teams:

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp


Traded 2009 NFL draft picks: only team to trade more - New Orleans. Redskins are 31st out of 32 teams here:

http://football.about.com/od/nfldraft/a/tradedpicks.htm

As far as the average age, I said I don't have anything for that, just an educated guess based on what I know from other teams.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:18 PM |

So you were wrong on every count (except the last one, which no one can seem to find a source on).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too sure about this Lance Zierlien dude. When asked how the Skins are going to pay Haynesworth, he said they will be cutting players - he said Randel El- and did not even know that El had just restructured his contract.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV

Totally agreee....yeah Vinny and the FO
f-up on more than a couple free agents...I agree.

But as far as this year....I just don't understand why people would not want hanysworth....

Don't get me wrong....hell yeah I'm affraid of what might happen...like we pay him tooo much money and then he bust out....

But as of right now....you and I both know we don't really have to look at tape on him.....we know he will comand a double team...and so on.

Why are most of the 32 teams in the leauge will be going after him.....

If haynsworth plays bad....then please get mad at all 32 or 20 team that will want him

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Dude Jason Campbell has been phenomenal considering his numbers progressively rise, year in & year out, and his protection conversely deteriorates.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 24, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Damnit Gurus here funs over.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

So you were wrong on every count (except the last one, which no one can seem to find a source on).

Posted by: MrRedskin21

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You're correct, I apologize. Instead of having 31 teams in a better offseason position than us, there are 29 and 30 teams in a better offseason position than us, respective to the salary cap and draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I just heard on the radio out here (Phoenix, AZ) that the Skins are going to sign AH when FA opens up.

Good think J Ca Ca got the info first.

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R
Good point on the cuts issue.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So, I should be optimistic for this season strictly based on the parity of the league and that any year a team can rise from the ashes and make a run?

Sure, I'll hang my hat on that. Like I said, the glass IS FULL!....

JUST ANSWER THIS..

What is stopping us from being like the Pats and the Steelers who are in the hunt every year, always being competitive?

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"leevi98 is exactly right.

Nearly every jerk on this board is a self-proclaimed GM/football genius.... yet none of them are employed as such.

I guess instead of taking high profile gigs with NFL teams, they prefer to bestow their vast knowledge upon the readers of RI.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse"

Isn't half the fun of sports having an opinion and thinking about moves/how you would do it, arguing with friends over brews...on a blog....having fantasy teams...playing madden....i means its f-u-n right...right?

Seems ridiculous point t rail against, but I am sure you both will continue....why stop now....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Were not the only ones who want canty, albert...and other free agents

Yall make it like the skins are the only team that want these players.

NO

We are very aggresive and know what to do to land free agents.

So are you guys saying that all 32 teams can't evaluate....

because all 32 teams want albert haynworth!!

wow i wonder why

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I posted the cap numbers for all 32 teams because I think it underscores how meaningless the numbers are.

The Redskins are 30th, and the Indianapolis Colts - a team people on here keep listing as elite - are right next to them at 29th... However, the pathetic Raiders are right there at 28th, while the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have the most room, even though I watched them pull a choke job last year that was second only to the 2007 New York Mets. It's team that has lots of cap space, but not enough sense to make sure Jeff Garcia is their starting QB.

It's all BS. The salaries can be deferred, contracts restructured, etc... I don't really see it as a hindrance to ANY team's success, not just the Redskins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth is signed for that money, he's playing DT and OT. Also gonna be the long snapper and the third QB on game days.

But he's not getting signed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not too sure about this Lance Zierlien dude. When asked how the Skins are going to pay Haynesworth, he said they will be cutting players - he said Randel El- and did not even know that El had just restructured his contract.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 24, 2009 4:21 PM

So he's just some bogus hack wanting a little face time?

Yeah, it's a lot of that going on in D.C.

If ain't Da Glaze (Glazer) or Scheffler reporting it, I keep it moving presonally. Glaze just has been on it with reporting it first lately, and Scheffler can't swell up a story, because I think the NFL owns the network.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

You're correct, I apologize. Instead of having 31 teams in a better offseason position than us, there are 29 and 30 teams in a better offseason position than us, respective to the salary cap and draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

++++

haha, well done psp

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM

What is stopping us from being like the Pats and the Steelers who are in the hunt every year, always being competitive?

Better players
Better coaching
Better scouting
Better everything
too much to write

but the skins are working on getting the first one right now as we speak.

Take a look at our team and the stellers and pats...what is the difference?

Answer that.

Better player.....and so on right?

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at our team and the stellers and pats...what is the difference?

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 24, 2009 4:28 PM

I don't have time to go into the differences. But the chief similarity is that none of them has Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You're correct, I apologize. Instead of having 31 teams in a better offseason position than us, there are 29 and 30 teams in a better offseason position than us, respective to the salary cap and draft.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:24 PM
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As I've said in the original post, it's YOUR THEORY that those numbers have real weight and are a determining factor in "other teams being in better position."

Better position to do what? Where are the examples?

There were teams in "better position" (to use your untested theory here again) going into last season, who still finished worse than the Redskins? No?

Is that your contention? Or do you even know what the hell you're ruminating on anymore?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i think it's so funny how everyone has been bashing the Skins and everything they do...Including statements on this blog from the writer that we are doomed ...But yet every other day we get news like this which makes the sky a bit brighter than the DOOM AND GLOOM PICTURE BEING PAINTED!

Hail!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 24, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid on this, even if they do sign Haynesworth. We've seen this movie before, where the 'Skins spend 10 zillion dollars on the free agent flavors-of-the-month and everybody gets all excited, only have the team go 8-8 or 9-7 every year because the supposed saviors of the franchise go bust, or because of some other weakness that the F.O. ignored.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 24, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It's all BS. The salaries can be deferred, contracts restructured, etc... I don't really see it as a hindrance to ANY team's success, not just the Redskins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

+++

I am 90% with you on this. I don't believe this has prevented the team from being successful. My issue lies with these things...

-The deep reliance on big name free agents.

-Relying too heavily on team veterans and keeping them longer than they should.

-Lack of draft picks and emphasis on the lines of both side of the ball.

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

matt thanks for posting that, sounds like a bunch of bs to me, considering that the guy didn't know ARE just redid his deal.

There you go corky....he's legit.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21

You don't feel that our lack of draft picks has prevented us from being successful? Year after year we are bottom of the barrel in terms of total draft picks..

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe it only because I can't believe the Skins are that stupid. If you plan to sign a guy during free agency, you don't have public meetings with his agent (innocent or not) while he's technically under contract. That could lead to a charge of tampering, especially if you are successful in wooing him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Albert could go ironman style and play guard too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Slimbo-Rice,
I make it a point not to post on here, but OH MY GOSH brother you are HILARIOUS!
Thanks for the laughs.

Can you imagine a defense with Jason Taylor at end, Haynesworth in the middle, someone at LB like, perhaps Orakpo, and Landry in the back. Having a solid defense, I think this is more luxury than necessity, but that would be FUN to watch. I might have just.....yup I pooped myself.

Posted by: chill | February 24, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

the question remains, could AH, play both fullback, and RB at the same time.....

had this hack journalist reported it, corky would have defended it to the death....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | February 24, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually though, I'm 100% serious about this, if they sign Haynesworth, they should take a long hard look and Alexander at guard.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It's always nice to have multiple draft picks, but you never know which ones are going to stick.

On the other hand, it's ludicrous for some fans and this tubby bag of pus to declare Thomas/Kelly/Davis "busts" 4 weeks into a season. Or even after one full season.

But that's a big part of the atmosphere on here.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Is that cL with the flash light, whistle, and mace.

1skin, why do you believe that all the 31 other teams are that hard pressed to sign Haynesworth or Canty. Haynesworth's asking price is very lofty. I don't think there are as many teams as you think that want his services - unless he brings the price down.

Way down.

And yes while Haynesworth will command a double team, will he have an impact on the game that much? Not saying that Haynesworth isn't good, he's damn good, IMO, but the only guys that I'll shell out that kind of dough to will be on the field every play and most likely would play QB.

As of today, right now, at this minute, there isn't anyone that commands a 100 million dollar contract. Not Brady, Not Manning (both), or Roethlisberger, and those guys are certainly more deserving than Haynesworth.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 24, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe it only because I can't believe the Skins are that stupid.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 4:36 PM

Mr. Hand1,

You're forgetting who you're dealing with. This is the same team that, a few years ago, posted pictures of its OTAs on its website. Then they NFL cancelled the OTAs because there was too much contact. The evidence? The stuff the Skins posted on their website.

And, dont forget last year when Jasno was turning them in for tampering because Vinny mentioned the name of a player on his radio show.

This is the Gang That Couldnt Shoot Straight.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"Better position to do what? Where are the examples?

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

You don't need examples. Common sense and simple logic tell you that if the Redskins can sign "x" amount of free agents with $2 million of cap space, they can sign "x + y" with $4 million of cap space. It's not difficult to understand. The creativity and ability of a capologist doesn't change the fact that, indeed, the Redskins would be better off with more cap space to operate.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't want Hanesworth, I have seen that film before. If we do sign him will Big Daddy, Stubbelfield, Sean Gilbert and Daryl Gardener be picking him up at airport?

This could all be a ploy to raise his payday with the Titans. A boy can dream...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Common sense and simple logic tell you that if the Redskins can sign "x" amount of free agents with $2 million of cap space, they can sign "x + y" with $4 million of cap space.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:42 PM

Is this a trick question? I dont think this is the right answer. I say that if they can sign x with $2 million, then they can sign 2x with $4 million. But, I dont claim to be a capologist, merely a mathologist, logicologist, and mixologist (in the evening hours).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the skins go after AH, maybe they don't. I'm sure it was no accident by AH's agent for him to be potentially linked to Snyder prior to free agency.

Posted by: skinswest | February 24, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

You don't need examples. Common sense and simple logic tell you that if the Redskins can sign "x" amount of free agents with $2 million of cap space, they can sign "x + y" with $4 million of cap space. It's not difficult to understand. The creativity and ability of a capologist doesn't change the fact that, indeed, the Redskins would be better off with more cap space to operate.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 4:42 PM |
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Actually, it doesn't. The Raiders, for example, paid a helluva lot more for the same player (DeAngelo Hall) then the Redskins ultimately did. They sent two picks - 2nd & 5th -to the Falcons for him, then had to cut him from his seven-year, $72 million contract after only eight games

And even at less than half a season, D. Hall did more for the Redskins than he ever did for the Raiders, stat wise. And he did it for the Skins at the veteran minimum.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

This could all be a ploy to raise his payday with the Titans.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:45 PM |

Bingo for ChriS lArRy! What we need to know to get to the bottom of it is this: When Snyder dined with the agent, did Snyder pay for the meal or did the agent?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I am DEFINITELY giving Kelly, Devin Thomas and Davis this year to prove people wrong. It's interesting though that MANY teams wrote Kelly off because they believed his knee issue would linger and MANY teams passed on Thomas because they believed he was a flash in the pan with only one good year and lacked the intelligence. Zorn said flat out the guy was a liability on the field because he did not understand the offense. Also, BOTH guys came into camp out of shape...

Regardless, you can't write them off as busts, no question about it.

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"Is that cL with the flash light, whistle, and mace."

Yeah that was me, how am I being a convo cop exactly by defending people's fun in armchair GMing? You make zero sense Red.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

what's the point of having a bunch of picks if the Skins will screw up the selections - see Davis, Fred; Thomas, Devin; and Kelly, Malcom.

I'd rather they (over)spend on proven commodities.

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

But, NFL parity is not the reason the Dolphins went from 1-15 to making the playoffs my man.

It's no coincidence that Parcells was running Football Ops and built through the draft and hand picked Spags to coach the team.

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"It's no coincidence that Parcells was running Football Ops and built through the draft and hand picked Spags to coach the team."

yeah no coincidence at all since he didnt hire spagnola but sporano....

JK...I feel your point.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see how well the Dolphins do this year when Tom Brady is back in NE, and Rex Ryan is coaching in NY.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: clarencelee | February 24, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

JK...I feel your point.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

haha thanks man. my fault.

Posted by: Skins211 | February 24, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

This could all be a ploy to raise his payday with the Titans. A boy can dream...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 24, 2009 4:45 PM

This was my first reaction. Speck is a smart dude. Haynesworth is a FA because Speck negotiated a deal where if he made the Pro Bowl the Titans couldn't franchise him. Now he's set to break the bank. Who better to use than the Skins to get the Titans FO to pony up big bucks out of the gate and essentially bid against themselves. Talks at the combine and dinner in DC may have been about a rookie client or a client on the Skins.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

More rumor on Haynesworth:

Posted by: clarencelee | February 24, 2009 4:58 PM

That`s not `more` rumor. It`s the exact same rumor. `More` rumor would be if he were in Washington today with a real estate agent.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

We can get Haynesworth.

He won't be as expensive as speculated...........

And he is a 4-3 Guy. Which means half the leagus isn't even giving him a looksy.

Don't beleive the hype!

If we can sign Haynesworth, all you have to do is cut JT55.

Simple and easy.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

leevi98 is exactly right.

Nearly every jerk on this board is a self-proclaimed GM/football genius.... yet none of them are employed as such.

I guess instead of taking high profile gigs with NFL teams, they prefer to bestow their vast knowledge upon the readers of RI.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 3:32 PM

Where else do you want us to do it? That is what RI is for. What did you think it was for?

If I had access to Redskin Park, do you think I would really be here?

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Who better to use than the Skins to get the Titans FO to pony up big bucks out of the gate and essentially bid against themselves.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:01 PM

Almost anyone. The Titans arent stupid. They know the Skins don`t have enough money to chase Haynesworth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

All of you talk about how we need to score more points for more wins.

Here is my thought. Albert can help by keeping the opposing Offense off the field. give our Offense more opportunities, hence hopefully more points. Also, when is the last time we scored a Defensive Touchdown, or several? WE have good ends ans great corners/safties.. Just think of what AH's presence could do for out back 7!! I am All for it, he may not be a sure thing but he is the best out there.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=66270

This should put some of this Haynesworth talk in perspective.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

skins211 - The Detroit Lions have had 36 draft picks in the last 5 years. What is the magic number of draft picks per year to insure success?

It is all about picking good players, regardless of whether it is via FA or the draft. As I posted on the last thread:

4 years ago we could have built for the future and choosen Jason Campbell or we could have tried to win then and signed over the hill FA Kurt Warner. It cost roughly 19M over those 4 years for both Warner and Campbell (not including the cost of the extra draft picks used to get Campbell). Where was the better value?

Posted by: amaranthpa | February 24, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=66270

This should put some of this Haynesworth talk in perspective.


YESTERDAY'S NEWS... It's the 24th today.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

HAynesworth will only average about $7-8Mil a year in real dollars no matter what the contract he signs says.

He only plays in roughly 50% of defensive snaps. No way he can get $10Mil plus on the open market....

No way.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Almost anyone. The Titans arent stupid. They know the Skins don`t have enough money to chase Haynesworth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 5:05 PM


What are you talking about? It's not as if they can't get there - whether responsibly or irresponsibly. They can easily free up $8.5M by dumping Taylor. Jettisoning Springs frees up another $8.4M.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me Danny isn't going to pull the trigger on Haynesworth! This makes no sense at all.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 24, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

What are you talking about? It's not as if they can't get there - whether responsibly or irresponsibly. They can easily free up $8.5M by dumping Taylor. Jettisoning Springs frees up another $8.4M.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:15 PM

Theyve already said they`re keeping Taylor. They may try to restructure his contract to reduce his cap hit, but he`s part of the team. And the only way they can cut Springs is if they sign Hall which would significantly eat into the savings.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

TE, this is business. Unless they have a signed agreement guaranteeing his return it is not guaranteed - just like his contract. If they think that the team would be better with AH than with JT, JT's sjk is outta here. Believe that. And why would they restructure the contract of a guy they can cut without cap ramifications? He doesn't have a lot of options.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

2 Words: Dana Stubblefield

Fat, lazy, unmotivated DTs who play great in contract years usually turn to worthless POS after they get the big money

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | February 24, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Let me be clear. I do not support signing AH. However, I do recognize that such an occurrence is not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

JT's sjk is outta here...
Posted by: learnedhand1


I thought ESPN showed JT back at his full salary of 8+ mill today?

Posted by: will_ga | February 24, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Stubblefield was on PEDs when we got him, wasn't he just convicted of perjury?

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

+++i think it's so funny how everyone has been bashing the Skins and everything they do...I But yet every other day we get news like this which makes the sky a bit brighter than the DOOM AND GLOOM PICTURE BEING PAINTED!

Posted by: leevi98++++

Oh yeah, baby...

Paying JT $8 million!! Yippeee!!!

Signed the kicker who lost the last competition? Right on!

Inked a 130 pound Canadian KO returner? Be still my heart!!!

Dumped Marcus Washington?? You had me at Hello, Vinny!!

Not offering contracts to gutsy, class acts Doughty and Evans??? Hip hip Hooray!!!!

Hall won't take the money offered, demands more??? All righty then!

Same Management team running the show? Here comes the big one, Elizabeth...

ACTUALLY, The "Samuels" redo sounds like a good move. So write that down before you claim I hate EVERYTHING the FO does...

Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Let me be clear. I do not support signing AH. However, I do recognize that such an occurrence is not out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: learnedhand1


no offense, but who cares what some schmo thinks?

Posted by: IHateJLC | February 24, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

We understand LH.

That's how I comment. I comment in the realm of Danny, not 4th.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth represents the ultimate 'putting all your eggs in one basket' signing.

If Haynesworth blows up for any reason (motivation, injury, off-field, etc), the Skins are done for 4 years.

Having Fletcher, Griffin and Haynesworth would make the middle of the line unreal ... add future HOF candidate Jason Taylor at RDE (where he belongs) and this a great defense.

Trouble is that NONE of those guys was healthy for an entire season last year.

Haynesworth is the wrong move for this franchise

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

"Is this a trick question? I dont think this is the right answer. I say that if they can sign x with $2 million, then they can sign 2x with $4 million. But, I dont claim to be a capologist, merely a mathologist, logicologist, and mixologist (in the evening hours).

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

What I may or may not have told is that "y" may or may not equal "x". Therefore my postulate can hold true.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Dana Stubblefield had SPS. I'm always skeptical about guys who are able to lift their game in the last year of a contract.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

REPORT: HAYNESWORTH TO THE ‘SKINS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 24, 2009, 1:09 p.m.
Our pal Lance Zierlein, a Houston radio host who has a blog at the Chronicle web site, reports that the Washington Redskins will sign Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth upon the start of the free agency period.

Unless, that is, the Titans exceed the offer that the Redskins will be making.

Writes Zierlein: “My source tells me to look for a contract that could break $100 million with an average of $15 million to $16 million per. My guy is almost never wrong and [Redskins owner] Dan Snyder gets what he wants.”

=======================================

Clearly, his source is his agent. No Way he gets $15Mil a year from Danny.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 24, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, it doesn't. The Raiders, for example, paid a helluva lot more for the same player (DeAngelo Hall) then the Redskins ultimately did. They sent two picks - 2nd & 5th -to the Falcons for him, then had to cut him from his seven-year, $72 million contract after only eight games

And even at less than half a season, D. Hall did more for the Redskins than he ever did for the Raiders, stat wise. And he did it for the Skins at the veteran minimum.

Posted by: MrRedskin21"

That's taking into account several different factors, such as an ability to negotiate.

What I do know is that with 500k of cap space, the Redskins could have signed Hall with no ramifications, but with $2 million of cap space, the Redskins could have signed Hall AND another player worth $1.5 million to the cap for that year.

I know what you're trying to say, but whatever creativity or ability the Redskins have up their sleeve to sign FA's with limited cap space would get multiplied with an increase to that cap space.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

TIMELINE:

At 2:20 PM, February 24, “MrRedskin21, acting as “self-proclaimed GM/football genius” bestows his vast knowledge upon the readers of RI:

“I doubt they sign Haynesworth. From what I've read, there's been no real interest in him from other teams, so this may be a ploy on his people's part to try and spark interest/raise the $$$ bar.

The Redskins don't need a DT that bad.

I think they'll draft Orakpo, and resign JT, and hope that between the two they get the pass rush they need. Other than a lack of sacks, this defense is solid.”

At 3:32 PM, “Mr.Redskin21,” acting as Snarky Badazz of Board, weighs in on others who have opinions on RI:

“Nearly every jerk on this board is a self-proclaimed GM/football genius.... yet none of them are employed as such.

I guess instead of taking high profile gigs with NFL teams, they prefer to bestow their vast knowledge upon the readers of RI.”

This was immediately followed by a response from "4th Floor," who asks the musical question: “Where else do you want us to do it?”

I’m not sure, 4th, but I suggest you take a nose clip and a miner’s lamp along because I’m sure where he’d suggest, the sun don’t shine.

I point out this latest bit of mean-spirited, egocentric hypocrisy on his part because, as “Mr.Redskin21” has pointed out to me and anyone else who doesn’t measure to his high standards, we are all just needy, self-loathing losers in desperate search for validation of our worthless lives.

Posted by: TheCork | February 24, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

And why would they restructure the contract of a guy they can cut without cap ramifications?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 24, 2009 5:27 PM

To push the cap hit into next year while paying him the full salary this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

If we sign haynesworth, the deal be about 6 years 60 mil with 30 mil guaranteed with huge incentives. Even if we do sign him to a huge contract, we can just release him going into the uncapped year and take most of the hit that year. I am not against this move, but i would rather see canty here. Either way, an upgrade to the line, but Haynesworth would make everybody around him alot better just by showing up

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 24, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Haynesworth's agent, I make sure to have dinner with Danny. After all, that's how I get bigger bids from other teams.

In fact, Danny could make big $$ just by making sure every free agent's agent had a 'secret' dinner with Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

there is no cap hit now! if they want him for cheaper money they should cut him and resign him to a 1 year deal, if someone jumps in the bidding let him walk!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 24, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe snyder is just buzzing this guy up so that Jerry makes the mistake we would have made 2 years ago. Either way, were either going to have a player who can be great, or somebody else is going to really overpay for the guy because of our "meetings" with him

Posted by: DaFunBunch | February 24, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Is this a trick question? I dont think this is the right answer. I say that if they can sign x with $2 million, then they can sign 2x with $4 million. But, I dont claim to be a capologist, merely a mathologist, logicologist, and mixologist (in the evening hours).

Posted by: talent_evaluator

What I may or may not have told is that "y" may or may not equal "x". Therefore my postulate can hold true.

Posted by: psps23 | February 24, 2009 5:44 PM

Ah, ha. Now you`re back-pedalling like crazy to get out of that corner you painted yourself into.

Did I mention that I work part-time as a mixologist (of both metaphors and alcohol)? I`m headed that way right now and suggest that you join me. If you ever get out of your corner, that is. ;-)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 24, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth just said he will be a Redskin! Quote, "I have always loved the Indian cat on that helmet. I want to eat it and then get paid by it." It's a done deal!!

Posted by: tdpillo123 | February 24, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth just said he will be a Redskin! Quote, "I have always loved the Indian cat on that helmet. I want to eat it and then get paid by it." It's a done deal!!

Posted by: tdpillo123

Wow, A DT and an intellectual

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 24, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think it's obvious that the Skins will be FINALLY getting rid of Springs. He's a Cowgirl at heart anyway. Get rid of that salary Vinny!!

Posted by: tdpillo123 | February 24, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cL. Playing that Redskins card probably ups the ante. I am no Cap expert, but I hope that's all it is.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 24, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins sign Haynesworth, Hall, Canty, and Montgomery, then I can imagine the Skins defense consisting of: Carter, Haynesworth, Montgomery, and Canty at DL; With Taylor, Fletcher, and McIntosh at LB; Plus Hall, Horton, Landry, and Rogers as DBs.

Griffin is the out if they sign Haynesworth... Hall for Springs... Phillips for Canty.

I'm not sure they will be able to afford both Golston and Montgomery.

Posted by: siris | February 24, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Based on the interest in the post shown above, my impact on Corksucker's life is now unparalleled.

But I doubt that's a healthy thing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 24, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

He's 27 years old, and the most dominant player in the league at his position, if not the most dominant player in the league, period. When Haynesworth is on the field he's going to occupy at least two blockers in the middle of the line, pretty much eliminating the possibility of the opposition running the ball between the tackles.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | February 24, 2009 3:33 PM

Great...so teams will run off-tackle against the tall, skinny DEs like they did last year. Three cheers for Danny!

I've said it here before and I'll say it again: signing Haynesworth is signing Dana Stubblefield 2.0--and if you recall, Stubby had 15 sacks and won Defensive Player of the Year before he signed here! The only thing to like about this signing is the possibility that Andre Gurode's head gets cleat marks on it again twice a year...but then again who knows if Haynesworth can play once he gets up to 400 pounds heading into training camp!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 24, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth probably will happen. We're going to overpay a guy who can't stay on the field, takes plays off, and stepped on a guys throat (albeit a cowboy). This is not the guy we need at Redskins park. Snyder needs to get it out of his head that we are only one superstar away from the Superbowl and realize our serious depth issues and address those first through youth. Cerrato read watch what Parcells does, mimick that!!! That way you'll build a great foundation...not get enough power and then LEAVE.

Posted by: carsonspence | February 25, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

Stubby had 15 sacks and won Defensive Player of the Year before he signed here

So who's fault was it that he did not produce?

Coaching, phylosophie,.....

What if he went to another team, would he have produced?

I don't get it. Why are the skins getting blamed for trying to get someone who has the facts/numbers.

they are not just getting an unproven rokie or kinda good player.

These players were proven.
I don't have the answer to why most free agents don't work out so well for the skins but

why would you not want the best DT in the league.

I don't get it

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

Stubby had 15 sacks and won Defensive Player of the Year before he signed here

So who's fault was it that he did not produce?

Coaching, phylosophie,.....

What if he went to another team, would he have produced?

I don't get it. Why are the skins getting blamed for trying to get someone who has the facts/numbers.

they are not just getting an unproven rokie or kinda good player.

These players were proven.
I don't have the answer to why most free agents don't work out so well for the skins but

why would you not want the best DT in the league.

I don't get it

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Why would you not want the best DT in the league?

8 1/2 sacks and commands double teams.

Why not.

Did anyone think about what if he does well?

Wow what if he does well and plays up to the contract.....

Posted by: 1skinfan | February 25, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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