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Clinton Being Clinton

What happens when you put a former Redskins running back, a present Redskins running back and a microphone together? Magic, sheer magic and an easy Bog entry for Steinberg, who owes these guys a nice gift basket. The ripper would be Riggo, the rippee Portis, the repartee pure gold.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 29, 2008; 1:04 PM ET
 
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I always thought most of you here overrated Betts. Yeah, the dude had ONE good season, and he HAS HAD chances to come in and spell Portis and contribute. Since '06 HE HAS NOT!!!!

The ones that are love struck with Betts are the same ones talking sh*t to those who think that giving up on Mason was a mistake, at least so soon.

I find it amusing that some of you think that Shaun Alexander AT THIS POINT IN HIS CAREER would've been the better option over Mason. I guess it comes from (Like Betts) Alexander's PAST success in the league.

*Blah*

Look, for all the Mason haters (Or just want to piss on the Mason parade, OR HATE TO BE WRONG ABOUT ANYTHING - you know who you are), by keeping the dude when Portis began to wear down, OR when it became clear that Betts just isn't that spell HB, change of pace HB, capable #2 HB; YOUNG guys like Marcus Mason (Ward, Bradshaw, Grant) come in fresh LATE in the season after given nearly a FULL season on the ACTIVE ROSTER to come in and give your main RB (Portis, Jacobs) rest when they need it most LATE in the season.

The 'skins did not have a RB that was able to do this, thus resulting in Portis taking on the form of DUST the last few weeks or so.

I'll never, EVER figure it out:
The fascination with OLD, hardly EVER contributing vets at their REAL/NATURAL positions, such as: Cartwright (He's been killing it on STs this year, huh? *blah*), Thrash (How is this stiff still on the damn field?), and Betts ('06 was a good year, so was '84, '76, and '96 - IT'S THE PAST PEOPLE!!!!)

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Riggo is so bitter about this team and Portis.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I wanna know where the gold at!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh LORD...

paging, Cue, and bring on the Portis haters...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Yes it's less carries for Portis...but they aren't productive carries...so what's the point?

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: SDMDTSU"

The point is the less productive carries from Betts leads to more productive carries from Portis, due to him being more rested.

Having said that, Betts is still just an average back-up. Always has been. He proved he was much better as a starter. Personally, I think this team would be better served having a threat like Darren Sproles, Jerious Norwood, Leon Washington, or Ahmad Bradshaw teamed up with Portis.

Still, Betts is far from a problem with this team. There are much larger issues looming than Betts.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Red,
I can't remember but did Mason get picked up before we grabbed Alexander?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

PATS GRANT PERMISSION FOR PIOLI INTERVIEW
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 1:12 p.m. EST
Well, so much for our hypothesis that the Patriots had finagled a new rule that would allow them to prevent V.P. of player personnel Scott Pioli from leaving.

Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Patriots have given the Browns permission to interview Pioli.

The disclosure appears in an unpate to Cabot’s existing story regarding owner Randy Lerner’s Monday morning meeting with the media.

Cabot also reports that Lerner said he’s interested in former Jets coach Eric Mangini, a former Browns employee. (”Former” as in “Ravens.”) In our view, however, there’s no way that Pioli would hire Mangini to become the Browns next head coach, given the extremely bad blood that emerged between the Patriots and the Jets over the past couple of years after the Spygate situation.

Cabot reports that Lerner said former head coach Romeo Crennel could stay with the team. As one league source explained it to us, Pioli likely would want to rely upon Crennel’s input and experiences in identifying the folks who need to be fired. Per the source, “There was a major disconnect between personnel and coaching in that building. Lot’s of back-biting and sniveling.”

That’s the one sure thing if/when Pioli lands with a new team. Like his father-in-law Bill Parcells, Pioli will quickly identify the folks who need to go, and he’ll make sure that they quickly are gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I will be SO, SO SO SO disappointed if we get rid of Carlos.

Unless we're talking about getting a first round pick that we'll go spend on Malcom Jenkins from Ohio State, it's just dumb.

Let's see, DHall was getting paid 485,000 this year over what, 6 games, and if he played well he'll have a chance to make freaking bank. Duh. Of course the guy is gonna go all out. But we have no clue what he's gonna do when he gets paid.

DHall was rock bottom and had a lot to prove because he had a lot to lose. Watch, I guarantee Rogers will go onto the Pro Bowl and DHall will get paid and content.

I've been a Rogers fan from day one, he's been one of my favorites.

Redskins have done a lot it seems to try to make their fans turn on 'em, and this won't do it, nothing will, but I'm just gonna be really, really pissed if they really get rid of him. Unexcusable.

ALSO, Alex, Mason was available when we got Alexander I'm pretty sure. I seem to remember people crying about that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The only thing is that Ward, Bradshaw and Grant are employed by the NFL, and have carried the ball in a REAL LIVE NFL GAME...

Marcus Mason, and Greg Marino(ME) have the same career stats in the NFL.

Zero Carries
Zero Touchdowns


I don't get it....I really don't get the love affair with Mason. Help me out here....The Redskins, Jets and Ravens all thought that he wasn't good enough. Not to mention that ALL 32 teams don't think he's good enought because ANY of them could sign him, and exactly ZERO have chosen to do so.

I know...all he needs is a chance.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Riggo is so bitter about this team and Portis.

Posted by: alex35332


I agree Alex. I listen to him after the game and was just shock how bitter he sounds.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 29, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Okay, off topic fantasy question:

Have a playoff fantasy draft tomorrow - one team, most points at the end wins. Who do you guys think will go to the SB? Ravens are looking strong, but strong enough? What about the NFC side? Not sure if the Giants can repeat? Any advice would be great!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I've got more respect for poops I've taken than I have for Vinny.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Yes it's less carries for Portis...but they aren't productive carries...so what's the point?

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: SDMDTSU"

The point is the less productive carries from Betts leads to more productive carries from Portis, due to him being more rested.

Having said that, Betts is still just an average back-up. Always has been. He proved he was much better as a starter. Personally, I think this team would be better served having a threat like Darren Sproles, Jerious Norwood, Leon Washington, or Ahmad Bradshaw teamed up with Portis.

Still, Betts is far from a problem with this team. There are much larger issues looming than Betts.

Posted by: psps23

------------------

Yup, such as his inability to hold onto the football. Stump Mitchell should call up Tiki Barber and fly him in to show that odd way of holding onto the football that solved his "fumblitis."

Posted by: mlandsjr | December 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember but did Mason get picked up before we grabbed Alexander?

Mason got picked up by the Ravens after we let him go. He couldn't make that team, then the Jets picked him up and he couldn't make that team. No one else picked him up after that...

Appearantly *everyone* in the NFL is blowing it big-time on this guy, he's a superstar waiting to happen.

If only he could get a chance!

You know, a....fourth....chance.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay, off topic fantasy question:

Have a playoff fantasy draft tomorrow - one team, most points at the end wins. Who do you guys think will go to the SB? Ravens are looking strong, but strong enough? What about the NFC side? Not sure if the Giants can repeat? Any advice would be great!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 29, 2008 1:37 PM |

Titans VS Giants

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

IN his own words you fools, dead cap until 2010. Just great.

Wasn't it Jim Brown who threatened to come back when Franco Harris was trying to break his record by running out of bounds before getting tackled? James meet Clinton Portis. I guess Riggo is doing the honors.


'The losses gone for me," he said. "I mean, it's over. You know, [it's not like] next week I'm gonna sit down and be depressed, looking at that TV. I probably won't watch a playoff game. I know I won't do anything associated with exercising or anything else at least until March. I'm gonna get away. When I say I'm gonna get away, I'm gonna get away. I'm done. It's over.'

Until March, came the follow-up?

'Probably later than that, if I can,' he said. 'What's the rush?'"

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

suzanne, i'm picking carolina vs. tenn.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

flound..thx for the PFT updates...keep 'em coming if anything big breaks

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Red so your reasoning to feel we are wrong about Betts is that Mason would have been better than Alexander.

Got it. Makes sense to me... Ok next argument?

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Portis is an azz!

(Parcells would trade this guy regardless of cap ramifications)

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay, off topic fantasy question:

Have a playoff fantasy draft tomorrow - one team, most points at the end wins. Who do you guys think will go to the SB? Ravens are looking strong, but strong enough? What about the NFC side? Not sure if the Giants can repeat? Any advice would be great!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 29, 2008 1:37 PM |

Gotta go with the Redskins, duh!!

Oh you weren't talking about offseason champions. Nevermind than.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Riggo is so bitter about this team and Portis.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 1:26 PM


'Bout to bash sacred cow John Riggins for a bit...

I'm SO tired of this narcissist d-bag of yesterday hating week in and week out on the Washington Redskins and Clinton Portis.

I think with Riggins its simple: He thinks he's the best 'skins RB of all time (and he probably is), Portis threatens that status, his legacy, so he must campaign against Portis every chance he gets. I bet most of the the *ALL-THE-SUDDEN* Portis bashers were either BIG fans of Riggns when he played or just have bought in to his propaganda BS.

Listening to this guy (Riggins) it easy to tell where you get you anti-Portis/Campbell sediments and comments from.

It must be right beacuse the "ALL-TIME GREAT JOHN RIGGINS" said so, right?

Tuh, please...

For those who don't have to hear him on the radio consider yourselves lucky and blessed, that jerk-off had his fifteen minutes of fame with the "John Riggins Show" it bombed, now he's just looking for anyone that'll listen to his tired, bitter, old ass.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

How many people here would have felt good if Clinton had actually gotten his 1500 yards?

If he had gotten them while averaging 5 yards a carry it would have been a difference maker. So many times his two and three yard carries left this team with 3rd and five, and you know how that usually goes. Campbell was the real rushing star yesterday for the Skins. Portis owes Campbell alot for keeping the drives alive, so that Portis could keep grinding out those two and three yard carries. I wish there was a way we could trade Portis, but we all know there is not.

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Have a huge amount of respect for mine poopy ... only problem is they sometimes get big heads like Clinton Portis and clog my commode.


"I've got more respect for poops I've taken than I have for Vinny."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Watch, I guarantee Rogers will go onto the Pro Bowl and DHall will get paid and content."

I couldn't agree more. I don't trust Hall for one second, and Los has been a solid starter.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | December 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

1) Someone mentioned Shaun Alexander. I had already forgotten he was on our team.

2) Sounds like Riggins has a point. IF what was reported about Portis is true, are we just gonna give Portis another bye on that one? Gimme a break. Portis is wearing out his welcome IMO.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

yes, i have more respect and regard for poops too now that i have kids that are always constipated.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

GRAY THE FIRST CANDIDATE FOR LIONS JOB
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 1:37 p.m. EST
With coach Rod Marinelli gone, the Lions already have commenced the process of finding his replacement.

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the Lions have requested permission to interview Redskins secondary-cornerbacks coach Jerry Gray.

Gray played for the Rams, Oilers, and Buccaneers, and he has worked for the Titans and Bills. He previously served as defensive coordinator in Buffalo.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Ah the truth finally trickles through!!!!!!! Or perhaps a 67 yard touchdown dash like Adrian Peterson had to help defeat the NY Giants.


"If he had gotten them while averaging 5 yards a carry it would have been a difference maker."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Appearantly *everyone* in the NFL is blowing it big-time on this guy, he's a superstar waiting to happen.

Posted by: VTDuffman"

You act like this has never happened before.

You also act like people are on this blog calling for Mason to be inked to a $30 million contract, given the starting spot, and have the entire franchise put on his back.

Shocker that there are people out there that think NFL front office's are infallible.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So, hey, it just ain't happen man. We had the opportunities, I touched the ball a lot, they fed it to me. You know, I can't complain. I think they gave me a lot of opportunities to get it, and I just fell short. +++

The problem with this CP crap, is that since the Danny and CP are so tight, CP can just fall short, and no one says sh*t.
CP is all about CP, and I so wish we could trade him.
Carlos "hands of stone" Rogers, is ok, not great. I'd trade him too if he'd command enough picks. He seems to think rather highly of himself so let's see. The team is in need of a major repair, not a mere tune up. For too many years now, the FO has been putting bandaids on gaping wounds and it's come home to roost! I always hear Rev. Wrights voice when I see that phrase now.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 29, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

flound, thanks, we'll send them Gray, for one of their first round picks...

On a seperate note, how did trading a 1, and a 3 for Roy Williams work out for Dallas....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Yup, such as his inability to hold onto the football.

Stats don't back this perception up. Someone posted it in an earlier thread, but his worst fumble year was 2006 (when he had 200-some carries) and even then it was only 4, of which he only lost two.

Clinton lost 3 this year, IIRC. does he have "fumblitis?"

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Look at Leon Washington's numbers with about 10 fewer carries than Betts over the last two years.

Betts:
2007 93 carries for 335 and 1 TD; 21 catches for 174 and 1 TD
2008 61 carries for 206 yds and 1 TD; 22 catches for 200 yds and 0 TD

Washington:

2007 71 carries for 353 and 3 TDs; 36 catches for 213 and 0 TD
2008 76 carries for 448 and 6 TDs; 47 catches for 355 and 2 TDs.

I don't want to hear that he hasn't had a chance junk.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Question to fans that saw the team in person this year because the TV doesn't show everything: When Campbell throws short alot, are there other guys open at different spots on the field on intermediate and deep routes?

Posted by: Realness1 | December 29, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

redmv, i like john riggins. a lot actually. he's the most genuine athlete i've ever heard in the media. and i respect his opinions.

i love cp too. john riggins gets paid to do what he's doing. cp gets paid to play. when cp retires i will have no problem if he gets on the radio and critiques the current skins back. none whatsoever.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Not sure if the Giants can repeat? Any advice would be great!"

The Giants have lost 3 out of the last 4, mostly to playoff (or almost Playoff bound) teams.

Except for the loss to the Redskins the Eagles looked up-and-coming. The Skins defense really put them back down. But they sure bounced back up against the 'Boys.

Have to like Philadelphia's chances.

On the other side Tennessee or Indy? Pick 'em.

Thats my guess.

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason has ZERO FUMBLES in his NFL career. That might be tops in the league.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

but his worst fumble year was 2006 (when he had 200-some carries) and even then it was only 4, of which he only lost two.

Posted by: VTDuffman

That's not true. In 2006 he had 6 fumbles, not 4, and he lost 3, not 2. He had 4 rushing fumbles and 2 receiving fumbles.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

speaking of critiquing...jm220, you never critiqued my workout!!!! you selfish person you!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I bet most of the the *ALL-THE-SUDDEN* Portis bashers were either BIG fans of Riggns when he played or just have bought in to his propaganda BS.

Listening to this guy (Riggins) it easy to tell where you get you anti-Portis/Campbell sediments and comments from

No sediment here! :)

Seriously,
I like the way CP plays with passion, but he's not getting the yards, or ther long runs, that break open games. His speed has to be down a bit now. I think the O-line would be better served to have a speedy RB too. They wouldn't have to hold their blocks as long etc..

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 29, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

On Gray.

He would make a good HC I think but has he ever been a DC or done any play calling?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If we were gonna make the mistake of getting rid of Leigh Torrence, why did we at least not trade him like the Lions did with Roy Williams?

A 1st and 3rd, or maybe a 1st and a 2nd, wouldn't have given us Leigh Torrence back, but it might've put us on the right path.


This FO is awful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

In all, Betts fumbles 1 in about every 79 touches.

Portis fumbles 1 in about every 91 touches.

Make of that what you will.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

That's not true. In 2006 he had 6 fumbles, not 4, and he lost 3, not 2. He had 4 rushing fumbles and 2 receiving fumbles.

So, his worst year he lost 3 fumbles...

...and CP lost 3 fumbles this year...

Should we be worried about Portis' "fumblitis?"

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

btw...if skins had a good coach what portis did would have never been tolerated. which goes all the back around to the point that this whole org stinks. just plain stinks.

we have another lavar gate going on with carlos now. seriously TNT and skins park go very well together...figuretively speaking.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The guy can play tackle as well. He may be the replacement for Jansen if Heyer continues as the "swing man". Seems like a good spot for him. Drafting great Left Tackles makes sense. Robert Gallery is playing guard in Oakland. I agree with Buges strategy to train them to play all the positions along the line ... albeit center is problematic.


"A well-paid free agent in competition with Chad Rhinehart could replace Kendall."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

LMAO! Sorry about that dealer. I have to put together another friend workout this week as well. Post what you are doing now and what you are trying to gain from your workouts.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

any guesses where Gregg Williams ends up since his brief tour in Jax appears to be over...?

Suppose if Jerry Gray got the HC job in Det...would he throw Gregg a bone (worked together in Buffalo as well)?

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting article from the AJC :

http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bradley/entries/2008/12/29/bradleys_buzz_right_on_ryan_wr_1.html


This guy makes predictions on everything and at the end of the year has an "Accountability Article" where he links to his original post\prediction and then holds himself accountable.


Ummm, JLC?


Just throwing a dog a bone

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan,
I agree another back wtih some speed would be nice but this line was not giving CP many holes to get through, doubt anyone else would have any either.

I would love to see a game where guys were not in our backfield right on the snap.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

here's a quote from the blog beneath that article, someone asked the author why he feels the need to make predictions :

" don’t think it’s such a recent phenomenon. People have been predicting outcomes as long as there have been sports.

Me, I think it’s a bit of a cheat for people in position to convey their opinions not to convey the most basic of opinion — who’s going to win? I’d rather be wrong — and I often am — than be noncommittal."

Hmmm

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

don't get it....I really don't get the love affair with Mason. Help me out here....The Redskins, Jets and Ravens all thought that he wasn't good enough. Not to mention that ALL 32 teams don't think he's good enought because ANY of them could sign him, and exactly ZERO have chosen to do so.

I know...all he needs is a chance.....


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 1:35 PM

Dude, you keep citing the fact that the 'skins (Like the 'skins haven't gave up on a guy too soon), Ravens (They have Ray Rice, and the dude McClain who are better backs than Mason - who also *gasp* are BETTER than Betts RIGHT NOW, not in '06), and the Jets (Who have Thomas Jones and Leon Washington - AGAIN they are BETTER than MASON and BETTS - at this point!)

As fans you like to see guys that have success in camp and in preseason to be kept on the active roster, even if its for a couple of weeks just to see how they pan out. Who would've been cut to make room for him? Thrash - yeah he's put up HUGE numbers this year, Cartwright - OOOPS, I forgot he's like GOD 'round here, SO HE MUST STAY, right?

You say the difference between Grant (There was NO REAL RB in Green Bay prior to his arrival - Gado? An aging Ahman Green?), Bradshaw & Ward (These guys get carries because Jacobs is better used to soften up the run instead of having him as your feature back.

Guys like Bradshaw, Ward, and Jacobs, all came up with the Giants, right? Dudes, like Pierre Thomas (Saints), Hightower (Arizona), Le'Ron McClain (Ravens) all had the same carries as Greg Marino and Marcus Mason.

They weren't given "a chance" they were given a legtimate chance. There is a difference.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Suppose if Jerry Gray got the HC job in Det...would he throw Gregg a bone (worked together in Buffalo as well)?

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

That would be a smart move IMHO, send GG to them so Gray has a DC who he trusts calling plays and he can focus as HC *unlike what we did for Zorn.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Red, call me when mason makes a play in a game...a real live NFL game....until then he's nothing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you should check Mason's stats.

He has less fumbles than Betts, Adrian Peterson, Portis, JOHN RIGGINS, BARRY SANDERS, the list goes on my friend. He's a stud, whether you like it or not.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Gray is an excellent coach. I really hope he sticks around. He's developed by far the best unit of this team.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Riggo and B-Mitch need to get an apartment together that way they can mix and drink their haterade together, i mean seriously if it ain't Riggo bashing Campbell about his "leadership qualities" its B-Mitch talking about how He used to do it,however did anyone here Steve who called in on the Monday morning QB show with Riggo and Kevin Sheehan? dude let Riggo have it with both barrels calling him a drunk reminding the HOF about how Riggo ditched the Skins after the 79 season and took the entire year off and left then coach Jack Pardee in the lurch leading to Pardee being fired and replaced by Gibbs after the 1980 season this caller(Steve) had Riggo on the defensive during most of the call until Sheehan had to play referee, it was LOL radio, noboby respects the Gibbs era more than myself i've been a fan since Bobby Mitchell came here in 62 but we need to curtail the hero worship of that era just a tad and Riggo and B-Mitch both sound a little envious of Portis yeah,yeah,yeah I know he's bit of a diva but he plays hard and he blocks like an O lineman he needs to keep his feelings out of the media and deal with that aspect of his career behind closed doors.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 29, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Red, call me when mason makes a play in a game...a real live NFL game....until then he's nothing.

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

Kind of like Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

On defense:

Fletcher 133 tackles 1 fumbles forced
McIntosh 87 tackles 2 fumbles forced 2 sacks
Horton 76 tackles 0 fumbles forced 1 sack 3 ints
Landry 65 tackles 2 fumbles forced 2 ints
HB Blades 60 tackles 0 fumbles forced 0 ints
Rogers 56 tackles 0 fumbles forced 2 ints
Smoot 54 tackles 0 fumbles forced 1 ints
Washingtn 44 tackles 3 fumbles forced 0 ints
Carter 37 tackles 0 fumbles forced 4 sacks
Springs 36 tackles 0 fumbles forced 1 sack 1 int
Evans 33 tackles 0 fumbles forced 4 sacks
J. Taylor 29 tackles 1 fumble forced 4 sacks
Hall 25 tackles 0 fumbles forced 2 ints

Base solely on this you keep Rogers, perhaps not Smoot. You start Rogers at CB and Springs at Free Safety per Rudy's coach. You keep Taylor. Given the paucity of games, and the effect he had in those games? The sheer number of tackles from his position? Better than Griffin, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander? He has a motor, that dog truly can still hunt!

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What a bitter group of old white guys !!!
Never thought you would have seen a black man make more money that you or your four fathers !!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice | December 29, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

They weren't given "a chance" they were given a legtimate chance. There is a difference.

If he did so well in Pre-season and training camp, how come he couldn't beat out Betts and Cartwright for their spots, since you insist that both are horrible?

If he's so amazing, why has not one single FO picked him up? Three took a look at him, all of them ended up dropping him, and not one single organiziation picked him up...

Why is that?

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Make no mistake I hope Gray stays but think he deserves being higher up the coaching corporate ladder.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a problem is that Portis isn't jealous of Riggins? You know, that thing called a Superbowl ring? Maybe Portis should strive for that instead of his 1500 yard rushing season.


Jeeze.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I am sick and tired of Riggins. For those of you who claim that because Snyder owns 980 the station is pro Redskins, listen to Riggins and you will see that is not at all true....it is mostly anti Redskins.

I heard Riggo's bash of CP this morning. After he went off, a caller phoned in defending CP and saying that he remembers a certain RB back in the late 70's who took his football, went home and did not return and got the coach fired - is that not a diva? He, of course, was referring to Riggins. Riggins response was that yes, he had done that, and that it helped the team because we then got Gibbs and went to 3 Super Bowls.

Even if CP did asked Zorn to allow him more carries in the hopes of reaching 1500 yards, what the heck is wrong with that? It was a meaningless game (at least playoff wise) and everyone knows we won more games when CP got 20 or more carries.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 29, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse


All have played in real live NFL games with little to no impact.

"Kind of like Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis."

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis.

LOL, actually, all those guys you listed are:

1. Currently Employed by the NFL
2. Have stats next to their career. Albeit small, but stats just the same.

Can you give me Mason's career stats??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is light in the loafers.

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 29, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

jm220, thanks!!!! i'm trying to lose about 5-7% body fat.

i wanted to do parts of upper body and lower body on the same day. is that a good idea? again i'm not too worried about building mass just want to lose the fat and gain strength. and i hate "resting" in between sets for more than 30 seconds.

so i was thinking i could do:

Day 1:
chest and triceps
glutes and leg extensions.

Day 2:
basketball

Day 3:
upper back and biceps
calves and shins

Day 4:
basketball

day 5:
shoulders, fore-arms
squats and hamstrings

my goal is to do 20 sets of 10 reps in 25 minutes in each day. i have been doing that the past 2 weeks. then i do abs and stretching for another 10-15 minutes.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

deal, go heavy, or go home!!!

Beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Look at Leon Washington's numbers with about 10 fewer carries than Betts over the last two years.

Betts:
2007 93 carries for 335 and 1 TD; 21 catches for 174 and 1 TD
2008 61 carries for 206 yds and 1 TD; 22 catches for 200 yds and 0 TD

Washington:

2007 71 carries for 353 and 3 TDs; 36 catches for 213 and 0 TD
2008 76 carries for 448 and 6 TDs; 47 catches for 355 and 2 TDs.

I don't want to hear that he hasn't had a chance junk.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 1:46 PM


There is this one guy who's always harping on facts up here, but with this information he may have sh*t his pants.

The fact that Mason didn't land on a team (Jets or Ravens) may have to do with the backs ahead of him having a FULL training camp with either the Ravens or Jets, AND that Marcus Mason probably wasn't better than those who were in front of him.

You can't necessarily say this about the 'skins.

Alexander wasn't better than Mason this year - he couldn't even move; looked like he was scared of contact - no cuts change of direction - NOTHING! He was done, why not bring Mason back?

Betts, well he was injured this year, but that doesn't change that when he did get in the game he did nothing. A few recpetions here and there, but nothing that you would expect from you #2 HB in todays NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Blades may move in permanently for Washington. Be better perhaps to go with a 3-4 and use both guys plus Taylor. Lose Carter. They need more linebackers. DTs just don't have what it takes

Posted by: periculum | December 29, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Never thought you would have seen a black man make more money that you or your four fathers !!

Posted by: Daggarforracialjustice

who has four fathers?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 29, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see more of the Gregg Williams blitzing bananza circa '04 and '05 back in DC...we created pressure and havoc thus resulting in TO's & points (Bal, Phi, Pitt)but I don't see that w Blache.

I like him and the D has played well but his philosophy of stopping the run first (then rushing the QB) and avoiding the big play is a recipe for success but not with our limited offense learning a new system...

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Although Riggins is not the right person to be calling someone out, I could not agree with him more. I can't stand Portis and his "to cool for school" attitude. He plays hard in the games, but is a terrible teammate. I feel bad for the other guys in the locker room who have to deal with his crap. They all know that he is untouchable and Danny Boy has his lips on Potris' ass constantly. Who cares if he plays hard 16 games a year. He is an absolute cancer to this team the other 349 days in the year.
I know that it is going to be next to impossible to unload Portis this off season, but his stock is about as high as it is going to get. There HAS to be a team out there that is as stupid as us who will make a trade with us and take on his contract! But, Danny Boy would never let his boy go, no matter how bad he is for the team!

Posted by: NCMatt1 | December 29, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Mason couldn't pass block a shell-less turtle. You cannot be a back in the NFL if you cannot help at least a little in protecting your QB, unless you have an OL like the Hogs of the 80's. Betts has averaged 4.1 yards per carry over his entire career. I think that's pretty good for any back.

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 29, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

CP reminds me of Dan Marino since both these pukes only cared about individual stats. Who would you rather have running for you Riggo or CP when you need a yard or two for a first down or TD?

CP is not HOF material. And never will be.

Best Redskin's running back ever was Larry Brown. CP is not in the same country code as Riggo, Larry Brown or Joe Washington.
Herb Mulkey was a better back than CP.

And CP is facing surgery in the off season. He is seeing proctologist, urologist and surgeon to have things tightened up for Danny Boy. Seems constant pounding has taken its toll and CP is loose. Danny Boy needs his friction.

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | December 29, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,
Your denigration of special team standouts like Thrash and Cartwright reveals your ignorance of the game of football. The last person on the depth chart at any position usually earns their bread on special teams. If they were good enough to perform well enough to start at their natural position, they wouldn't be last on the depth chart, they would be starting somewhere else. People like you take good field position for granted until you lose a Cartwright, then you cry like a baby for someone like Cartwright to return kicks. You're going after the wrong guys.

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 29, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

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