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Clinton Portis, in shape and motivated, will enter camp determined

Don't be surprised if Clinton Portis is among the top candidates for this season's NFL comeback player of the year award.

Although Portis has said little about his personal goals for 2010, the eight-year veteran is determined to show he's still an elite back capable of rushing for a 1,500-yard season, people familiar with his thinking said recently. Eager to prove his critics wrong, Portis has done everything Coach Mike Shanahan has asked of him, team sources said, and is expected to hold off fellow Pro Bowl backs Larry Johnson and Willie Parker for the starting job. Portis has surprised many in the organization with his positive outlook and hard work throughout the offseason program.

As many Insider readers are aware, I've been critical of Portis because of his lackadaisical approach toward practice, among other things. But he was energized by the firing of former coach Jim Zorn and the hiring of Shanahan, whom Portis played under during his first two (and best) seasons in the league, and will approach training camp and the preseason with enthusiasm, he has told several players.

In fact, after Shanahan in March publicly challenged Portis to improve his conditioning, Portis trimmed down to about 217 pounds after playing at more than 230 pounds last season, sources said. Portis's strong showing apparently has made a favorable impression on Shanahan.

To be sure, Johnson and Parker will have opportunities to unseat Portis when camp opens July 29 at Redskins Park. Portis, however, is in top shape and highly motivated.

He's also guaranteed $6.4 million of his $7.2 million base salary, so management presumably would prefer for Portis to be highly productive after a concussion cut short his ineffective 2009 season.

I'm scheduled to be part of today's panel on Comcast SportsNet's Washington Post Live with Ivan Carter. I'm sure we'll talk about the Redskins. We always do. Later.

By Jason Reid  |  July 15, 2010; 1:57 PM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis , Mike Shanahan  
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Not interested in being first, just the BEST.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

First to say hmmmm....

Posted by: hbu_dog | July 15, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"If Jarmon becomes a quality future replacement for Andre Carter it will have been worth it."

A Carter leaving means B Orakpo plays with his hand on the ground for the rest of his time as a redskin.

And that's when the fun will start.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The BEST to say hmmmm....

Posted by: hbu_dog | July 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Cut him, cut him, cut him, and then cut him. Hopefully, if he stays, Shanny will have the cajones' to shut his cake hole and Snyder will have the intelligence to cut off the line of communication from this locker room destroyer.

Posted by: KDSmallJr | July 15, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

A Carter leaving means B Orakpo plays with his hand on the ground for the rest of his time as a redskin.

And that's when the fun will start.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought all three are now OLBs?

If we were still running a 4-3 then I would want JJ and KpO as our starting DE's but now they are hopefully our starting linebackers.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how CP's speed is now? I'd love to see his 40 time.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Small, you're nuts.

Portis was not the cancer. You seem to forget CPo busting up his shoulder on a hit in PRE-SEASON.

Portis is a bell weather.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Portis is back in a system he likes and has had sucess in, with a coach he likes and has had sucess under. The O-line stands to be better than he has run behind the last two years. He has been a full and enthusiastic participant in the offseason program. He hasn't uttered a single word of negativity this offseason, only strong optomism. There is no reason to suspect that Portis won't be the #1 RB for the Skins this year, and put up numbers similar to what he has done in sucessful seasons past.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

alex

The B Orakpo I liked in college at Texas played with his hand on the ground.

It was Vinny's idea that he should be an OLB/d-end.

I bet we see some look where The Rackman is a three-point stance this Fall more than just a few times.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I have a bigger man crush on Portis than Troy Aikman.

I was a little shocked to read he was playing at 230lbs.

I'm picking him up in my fantasy league....CHAMPIONSHIP!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit, CP is def someone I'll be focused on at training camp. If he plays like he CAN in this offense, he could have a huge year.

I'm thinking about going on day 1...2 weeks and counting! Should be quite the nationwide media circus due to fat boy.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if Orakpo is in a crabwalking stance. Just let him go after the QB every play.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

DT has been a major disappointment followed only by MK regardless of an incompetent coach.

On a positive note....Lo Alexander was on 106.7 earlier representing the Skins and himself quite nicely. He's pretty much the anti- AH.

He said the starting LBs going into camp will be him, 59, 52, & 98 and 98 and 99 in nickel situations.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

On the Devin Thomas rants people were going on.
Don't try and fit a number like 50 catches or 1000 yards on him, I honestly think he will never be that type of WR.

I would say judge him this season by how many 1st downs he can get, and his YAC. The guy should be a physical WR, not a speed guy not a deep guy. But we should be running him on 10-15 yard routs, getting him the ball so he can run over someone for another 5 yards.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm a huge CPo fan - but let's face it, he's on the decline side. If we get a grand from him, that's good. Anything more is gravy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

He said the starting LBs going into camp will be him, 59, 52, & 98 and 98 and 99 in nickel situations.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised Carter won't be starting.

But it is refreshing to see the coaches set the lineup based on performance now, and not performance past.

Lorenzo is a beast though.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I bet we see some look where The Rackman is a three-point stance this Fall more than just a few times.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

A smart coordinator would have guys with the raw talents of KpO, JJ, lining up all over the place in a 3-4 as both should be skilled enough to play either end or olb spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

this article is laughable. lets see what happens when the season starts. you can't turn back father time

Posted by: slim4 | July 15, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking about going on day 1...2 weeks and counting! Should be quite the nationwide media circus due to fat boy.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like fatboy could be a-little-less-fatboy, according to reports.

I really hope he bottles up all his anger and unleashes it on Doug Free and Tony Romo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

this article is laughable. lets see what happens when the season starts. you can't turn back father time

Posted by: slim4 | July 15, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

125 yards rushing and a TD against the Cowboys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

An is shape and motivated CP26 is a good thing.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 15, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

slim, I think you can apply that to Moss - but CPo's ability was never based on breakaway speed. He sint' that kind of RB.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It's a sad sign of the past staff that they let any of that BS he did before fly.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | July 15, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Don't try and fit a number like 50 catches or 1000 yards on him (DT), I honestly think he will never be that type of WR."

I'd say he's not worthy of his draft position (2ND ROUND) if he can not meet those numbers.

I think he'll step up from time to time and play well.

M Kelly is the dude who has the most to prove and the least amount of time to do it in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking about going on day 1...2 weeks and counting! Should be quite the nationwide media circus due to fat boy.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like fatboy could be a-little-less-fatboy, according to reports.

I really hope he bottles up all his anger and unleashes it on Doug Free and Tony Romo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:46 PM

He'll always be fat boy to me ;)

If he's here and rips Romo's head off in Sep, MF's will be trippin over themselves to buy Hayney jerseys.

I think that one play might be worth all the money he's been paid so far!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

An in shape and motivated CP26 is a good thing.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The FIRST HMMMM to be BEST. What's with the first neurosis? Sheesh.

Posted by: WorstSeat | July 15, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yo mr Moe!!!

Could u imagine, carter, carriker, maake, haynesfatbody n rak all goin at the qb?????

Ohhhh man got me excited..... hope our corners hold up.....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

M Kelly is the dude who has the most to prove and the least amount of time to do it in.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Now thats the guy we should be expecting to be a deep ball expert.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Arrrgh - it wasn't BS! It was an indication of the problems that existed.

The problems were there already, CPo was just letting folks know.

And you're right, there's no way Shanny will put up with that. He won't have to. Zoron had to because Clinton was going to be here after Zoron was gone. It was a given. Shanny was hired in last year's bye week (like week 4 or so?). It was reported on Snyder's own station!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Am I supposed to be excited that he is doing what he is paid to do? What does he want, a cookie?

Posted by: HokiesSkins | July 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Re: Clinton Portis, in shape and motivated, will enter camp determined

I do indeed hope it’s true because it would be a refreshing change of circumstances for Clinton and the burgundy and gold -- after several seasons of nothing like it.

However, have also been expecting a more likely scenario -- Clinton will go all out for a game or two, then realize that getting hit and gaining no yardage isn't much fun anymore. Soon, someone will catch an unauthorized film clip of him at the local Greyhound Station, throwing some of his teammates under a bus.

Somewhere around the second quarter of game 3, Clinton will unexpectedly run left when the blocking scheme is actually set for him to go right, jump into a pile of opposing players, and suffer a mysterious injury -- "not exactly a concussion," he'll say, but still reason enough to take it easy for a while.

The next week, we see him wearing a pair of 3-D glasses he "borrowed" from a late night showing of "Despicable Me," purportedly to help him see better. In week 6, he'll complain that he is still suffering from the after-effects of the earlier injury, and try as he might -- he just can't seem to make it out to the practice field.

By week 9, the team will be wondering if Clinton will be back at all this season, and finally, he will placed on the injured reserve list in week 11.

Around week 14, he'll be back on the sidelines, explaining how none of the aforementioned was really his fault, and promising to "go get 'em next year."

In the meantime and as always, he'll still manage to take home every dime of his $6.4 million guaranteed. Book it!

Posted by: Vic1 | July 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

CP bashers???


Hard to do when his #1 venom spewing hater is actually giving him props.


Portis will prove a lot of people wrong this year. Get your deep fryers and hot sauce ready...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Yo mr Moe!!!

Could u imagine, carter, carriker, maake, haynesfatbody n rak all goin at the qb?????

Ohhhh man got me excited..... hope our corners hold up.....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I am actually one of the few that might think our secondary is actually pretty darn good.

I think we have solid depth there.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

brandon

"Could u imagine, carter, carriker, maake, haynesfatbody n rak all goin at the qb?????"

Yeah.

But what we all have to remember is that the new players and scheme change is not about sacks.

In fact, the way referees throw flags when a guy is sacked, I'd take 'pressures' over sacks.

Why?: An interception that comes as a result of pressure and confusion is like an unexpected punt reurn.

And the occasional touchdown/field from an INT or fumble from a sack like finding money in a place where you forgot you put it.

So I can see all those players rushing the quarterback.

Thing is, I'd also like to see a redskin defender meeting his teammates in the end zone from time to time, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess logic doesn't apply to you, does it, Vic?

Did you SEE the hit(s) he took on the noggin?! That was LaVarr/LT scale smashage.

The man played hard. I'm sorry. You're wrong. I see no one making any reference to the pre-season injury under Gibbs 'cause it destroys your case.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Now thats the guy we should be expecting to be a deep ball expert.

Jim Zorn, is that you??

Send the possession receiver on the deep routes, and the fast receiver over the middle....haven't we seen this before?? Don't we know how this goes??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Spoke a minute too soon...


Funny how there are people who really want players on the team they so-called "root for" to fail.


Amazing how people bash the guy like he's f-ing Devin Thomas or Albert Haynesworth... all he's done is put up numbers and CARRY the team on his back when healthy.

smdh... like it or not, he WILL pass Riggins as the all-time leading rusher in 'skins history, he WILL be the STARTING running back for YOUR Washington Redskins in 2010.

What's funny is when this guy is running all over defenses this season, the haters will no doubt be in front of their TV all donned out in their Redskins apparel, screaming their f-ing lungs out, and hi-fiving their buddies with hopes of super bowl aspirations in their eyes.

And Portis will have a lot to do with that.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

1st to say CP26 will make 1st team ALL Pro....

...And Troy Aikman will continue to bust nuts dreaming about 'Clinton Portis'

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Fool me once...

I ain't buying what Tortoise is selling cause it smells like the same stale fruit he's offered before.

Just run the ball, block and catch and be a help not a hindrance to your team's success...then you won't have to say a word

Posted by: kahlua87 | July 15, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We will definitely be pressuring the QB this year.

I can remember the Pittsburgh 3-4 giving Peyton Manning fits.

I think we match up very well with the other NFC East teams this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Kelly can't get separation from NFL corners.


Hate it, because we can use some of his more raved about abilities, but come opening day he's as good as gone.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw the hit and thought, so what? And dare I say it, I thought it was nowhere near the monumental slam to the noggin you purport it to be -- but instead, a rather routine tackle.

I don't claim to be a neurosurgeon... or an ankle surgeon... or even a team doctor or coach.

All I know is that Clinton always seems to suffer from one phantom injury after another, consistently contradict those who should purportedly know and report about such things, and then make himself unavailable for treatment of same.

Just saying...


Posted by: Vic1 | July 15, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to believe that the offense is going to be nice this year. I'm still skeptical about the defense. Too many guys playing out of position in an unfamiliar scheme. Alexander wasn't that good as a down lineman. I'll have to see how mobile he, Orakpo, Carter, Jarmon, etc... are in space against TE's and RB's.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 15, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@ 4th and Red- Double fist bump blow ups.

As for the haters, what has Clinton done this year other than show up, in shape, keep his mouth shut and set an example?

Leads the NFC in rushing yards....yes, over Adrian Peterson.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

tyvm iH8!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I saw the hit and thought, so what? And dare I say it, I thought it was nowhere near the monumental slam to the noggin you purport it to be -- but instead, a rather routine tackle."


Amazing.

Care to notify the board as to which number were you wearing and whether you were suited up for either the Redskins or Falcons on that day.


People also said the Dale Earnhardt didn't look serious either. I'm not a doctor either, but we all know how that one turned out...

Bottom line is if you weren't there, then you really don't know. From all accounts it was a serious hit. Dude did catch two helmet to helmet hits at the SAME TIME.


Could he have come back? Probably. Was it necessary? Hell no!


And I don't know where you pulled the malingering stuff from. Besides him probably milking that concussion last year, what else ya got?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

tyvm iH8!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

What does this mean?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

^^^Thank you very much

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what Portis you were watching Vic, perhaps you confused him for a fat blob wearing #92. I have seen Portis play through more injuries than any other player for this franchise over the past five years. He may not be the best conditioned player, which I personally feel is because of his lack of work ethic in the offseason. Wasn't the big blowup between Zorn and Portis in Crackimore a couple of years ago because Portis wanted back in after an injury and Zorn said no? I could be wrong, but I thought that was what sparked that problem.

If this is really true and Portis really is putting in the effort in the offseason, I'm pretty excited about his potential this season.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | July 15, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have been motivated playing behind that crap o-line they had last year either. 80% of the time he was getting smack behind the line of scrimmage and had to bust his rear to get back to gain anything at all.

Shanny will play all 3 backs, haven't we learning anything from watching him in the past? Which order no one knows.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | July 15, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ok. You're welcome.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

red, kelly doesn't have to get that open, he just needs a small amount of space, and he can use his body to shield the defender, and use his long arms to snag the ball.....he'll be on the roster...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

nobody cares about the preseason anymore around here. just show up during the real season and put up or shut up. we're tired of getting psyched up just to look like poop when it counts!

Posted by: astroman215aolcom | July 15, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No, I wasn't on the field... and don't claim any special medical expertise... but I can recall several instances in recent years where Clinton has allegedly sustained mysterious injuries that kept him off the practice and playing fields, and in follow up press interviews about the same -- he has managed to contradict team coaches and medical staff reporting about the same.

Ain't saying anyone is right or wrong, just that they're consistent.

And again, I hope this season is different.

For instances, see
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/5937/injuries.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81405a3d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/02/AR2007100202418.html

Posted by: Vic1 | July 15, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope Portis does have a breakout year. That will go a long way to improving our record in the conference, nevermind the rest of the league.

Its been nice being back and being able to hear all the jibba jabba for myself instead of second hand.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 15, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Ruh roh.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan will find a way to use Malcolm Kelly effectively.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Reid,
Please let Portis know that most skins fans still believe that he's a cancer on this team and could really care less if he stays or goes. We just want him to keep his mouth shut and play ball, something I don't think he's capable of. He won't be running any better than the offensive line is blocking and there's a BIG question mark there.

Posted by: keedrow | July 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So if DT were smarter he would have been able to make Zorn's scheme work?

I really don't follow your logic that Zorn's D III playbook was betrayed by a dumb receiver. You are saying that DT is dumber than the coach who felt that sprinkling some 'work' sauce on his plays made a difference?

If you want to argue Zorn's playbook stank, fine. If you want to argue DT should be in the special Olympics, fine.

But saying that DT is stupid because it took him 1.5 years to have a half decent game in a broken system? That's just not thinkin with yer dipstick.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse


OK. You continue to miss the point.

Before a player has any shot of successfully executing a play on the field in a game, he first needs to learn/understand how the play is supposed to work and what he's supposed to do in it.

Under Zorn, the other receivers seemed to have no problem figuring out where to stand, where to run and where to expect the ball to go - doesn't mean the plays worked so great in the game, but at least they knew what they were supposed to do in theory - not DT11. Which is why he fell down the depth chart.

Is this making sense so far? It's the difference between "The play doesn't work so well in a game" versus "I don't get the play".

While the other receivers were having a hard time with the latter, DT was struggling with the former.

So, if DT11 had a hard time learning/memorizing the basic concepts of Zorn's simpler schemes; he's probably also going to have a hard time learning/memorizing Shanny's more complicated schemes. It's not like Shanny is going to be running the same plays that DT11 finally learned over the past year and a half. He's going to have to learn new stuff.

Which, IMO, makes visions of a 60 catch season with 900 yards a bit ambitious for young DT11.

Make sense?

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, I saw the hit and thought, so what? And dare I say it, I thought it was nowhere near the monumental slam to the noggin you purport it to be -- but instead, a rather routine tackle."

Posted by: Vic1 | July 15, 2010 3:29 PM |


Can you think a little before posting stuff like this. Really? Dude had multiple doctor visits regarding this situation. FYI concussions are no joke. I guess those doctors were in the whole lie too. Medical practices have evolved just because some bama played with a concussion (eg LaVar) that he suffered during a game doesn't make it sound practice for players to continue doing so. I little thought to your post would be nice.

Posted by: TWISI | July 15, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like a lot of the folks here have already made up their minds about the team and its key players. They're mainly looking to the upcoming season to be proved correct in their judgments.

Sort of like writing the review before you've seen the movie...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

brownwood26

Wouldn't it be nice if we all thought alike. This board is for folks opinions. I see plenty of other folks criticize $nyder and casting their doubts about the upcoming season, and not just myself. Due to the response from posters in regards to BOYCOTT $NYDER, I have cut back on my request, and I'm now concentrating on the upcoming season. I'll continue to post how I feel and I'm sure you will to.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Clinton = Fall Forward

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I have a bigger man crush on Portis than Troy Aikman.

I was a little shocked to read he was playing at 230lbs.

I'm picking him up in my fantasy league....CHAMPIONSHIP!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Picking up any running back in a Mike Shanahan system is fantasy suicide.

CP will get the start, get 5 carries and then Ryan Torain will get the next 25. Then next game Larry Johnson will get all the goal-line carries. Then as soon as you've traded away CP because you think he's fallen down Shanny's list, he'll get 30 carries/150/2 TDs.

Trust me...I've made the mistake of drafting Shanahan RBs high...it's always a mistake.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"So, if DT11 had a hard time learning/memorizing the basic concepts of Zorn's simpler schemes; he's probably also going to have a hard time learning/memorizing Shanny's more complicated schemes"

p1, remember JZorn stating that he wanted them to run the route PERFECTLY....now, recall for me how many other coach's have ever uttered this idiotic statement....

lets put the zorn error behind us, and see what these guys have now that there is a real head coach instructing them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Is this making sense so far? It's the difference between "The play doesn't work so well in a game" versus "I don't get the play".

While the other receivers were having a hard time with the latter, DT was struggling with the former.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


Sorry. The "latter"-"former" stuff should be flip-flopped.

Hope that sufficiently confuses things...

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

p1, remember JZorn stating that he wanted them to run the route PERFECTLY....now, recall for me how many other coach's have ever uttered this idiotic statement....

lets put the zorn error behind us, and see what these guys have now that there is a real head coach instructing them...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse


I'm as happy to put the Zorn era behind me as anyone up here.

Unfortunately, I don't think getting rid of Zorn is going to suddenly boost DT11's IQ.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Bigfoot=hybernation

Wake up Bigfoot once season commences

Do not forget to wake up Bigfoot, Bigfoot will find you at the games and eat your children, then drink a ton of beer and throw up all over the remaining childrens

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 15, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Under Zorn, the other receivers seemed to have no problem figuring out where to stand, where to run and where to expect the ball to goPosted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It was very simple: Run three yards in front of the first down marker and stop.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

HIBERNATION

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 15, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Go Portis

Posted by: Vicc | July 15, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

p1, all I'm saying is that there is the thing called adapting...JZ had no idea how to do it...I'm willing to wager that if Shanny/Shanny/McCardell realize that DT is a doofus, they'll figure out a way to simplify the plays....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Under Zorn, the other receivers seemed to have no problem figuring out where to stand, where to run and where to expect the ball to goPosted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It was very simple: Run three yards in front of the first down marker and stop.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse


Yes. It was alarmingly simple.

Which makes it all the more discouraging when you consider that it took Devin Thomas a year and a half to learn it...

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Picking up any running back in a Mike Shanahan system is fantasy suicide.

CP will get the start, get 5 carries and then Ryan Torain will get the next 25. Then next game Larry Johnson will get all the goal-line carries. Then as soon as you've traded away CP because you think he's fallen down Shanny's list, he'll get 30 carries/150/2 TDs.

Trust me...I've made the mistake of drafting Shanahan RBs high...it's always a mistake.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The only fantasy suicide is being in the same league as iH8dallas.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"to show he's still an elite back capable of rushing for a 1,500-yard season, people familiar with his thinking said recently."

I'm familiar with his thinking and I think he is thinking: Florida. party. Chicks. Money.

Posted by: coolcraig | July 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes. It was alarmingly simple.

Which makes it all the more discouraging when you consider that it took Devin Thomas a year and a half to learn it...

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey now p1. Devin hangs out with Fantasia, and she's pretty smart.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 15, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hess, I don't know where you're going with that random post, but fine. We're all here talking about the upcoming season, it's just you're the only one doing so starting with the sentence, "It'll never work as long as $nyder is here" and predicting doom and gloom in absolutes. A little cautious optimism never hurt anyone...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Under Zorn, the other receivers seemed to have no problem figuring out where to stand, where to run and where to expect the ball to go - doesn't mean the plays worked so great in the game, but at least they knew what they were supposed to do in theory - not DT11. Which is why he fell down the depth chart.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse
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Fell down the depth chart? You mean when MK took the #3 spot coming out of the camp in which DT struggled with hamstring issues? The same #3 spot that DT took back less than 2 months later?

Again, there is no way you can attribute his lackluster performance in comparison with seasoned vets to a learning disability. NONE of the triplets did anything until injury forced Davis onto the field. What happens when DT is just told to 'go play ball, son'?

You have absolutely no objective evidence that Moss and El outperformed him based on intelligence rather than experience at the NFL level. Further, how does that theory explain how pathetically bad El was on special teams? Was he too stupid to learn Danny Smiths playbook?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2010 4:08 PM
That's what we do here bro, this is RI. We all have preconcieved notions and no matter what happens during the season we will claim we have been proved correct. Nobody on this blog has ever been wrong about anything.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

But what we all have to remember is that the new players and scheme change is not about sacks.

In fact, the way referees throw flags when a guy is sacked, I'd take 'pressures' over sacks.

Why?: An interception that comes as a result of pressure and confusion is like an unexpected punt reurn.

And the occasional touchdown/field from an INT or fumble from a sack like finding money in a place where you forgot you put it.

So I can see all those players rushing the quarterback.

Thing is, I'd also like to see a redskin defender meeting his teammates in the end zone from time to time, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 3:14 PM |

i'll take the sack. the more time a qb gets hit, the more quickly he wants to get rid of the ball. that's when the quarterback feels pressure, before it's even there. leads to poor decisions, incompletions, and yes, interceptions.

of course, pressures aren't bad either, i just see 'em as incomplete sacks.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 15, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA...Portis knows that Shanahan will deep six his buttocks at the drop of a dime! I say get rid of him!

Posted by: carterm1 | July 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter if Portis is the best running back in Sept. He'll break down by the 8th game.

Posted by: mugengsr1 | July 15, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I am actually one of the few that might think our secondary is actually pretty darn good.

I think we have solid depth there.

Posted by: iH8dallas

I agree with you on this....we shut down some top passing offenses the last few years without much of a pass rush... if we any type of pass rush with this 3-4 we'll be good on the back end

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 15, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The B Orakpo I liked in college at Texas played with his hand on the ground.

It was Vinny's idea that he should be an OLB/d-end.

I bet we see some look where The Rackman is a three-point stance this Fall more than just a few times.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Gotta disagree with you here. His best position is OLB similar to Woodley and Harrison in Pitt. At 260 he is on the small side for a 4-3 DE. Having him be able to stand up and move around should make him more effective rushing the passer.

Carter on the other hand is going to struggle with the transition. Jeremy Jarmon to me is a 3-4 DE. He should be looked at as a replacement for Daniels spot. He is too big to be an OLB.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I don't think getting rid of Zorn is going to suddenly boost DT11's IQ.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:17 PM

why not? is Zorn some type of genius?..he was wrong about Fred Davis..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 15, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if this is a contract year for Portis? If it is whoa be unto the team that thinks he has changed. If it is then of course he is doing everything to be as good as he can be, until he gets another fat contract and can go back to being a 230 pound, getting caught from behind by a DL, complaining, injured slug.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | July 15, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Vic1,
Instead of misdiagnosing head injuries, why don't you stick to writing humorless, long winded posts I routinely ignore.

Posted by: mack1 | July 15, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Clinton = Fall Forward

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 4:09 PM

I'll take a RB who "falls forward" for a 4 yards per carry and 1100 yards per season average. That's what he has done as a Redskin. The yards per season average would be higher if not for the two seasons that he only played 8 games. He has never gained less than 1250 yards in a season that he has played in at least 15 games.

None of that includes what he did the last time he played for Shanahan. Then he averaged 5.5 yards a carry and over 1500 yards per season.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

@p1 funk
and beantown greg
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This won't be popular with you guys, but it takes most NFL players about 3-4 years to fully "get it". Too many,far too many fans use the exceptional player as a barometer for comparison. So, to many fans because a receiver such as Desean Jackson developed quickly, DT and MK are failures, stupid, lazy and so on.
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When you keep switching everything-it matters!!!!!!!!
You can crush the development of your young players, you can stall the development of your team.
It's like so many of you want to gloss over Snyder's screw-ups. "It's in the past", "get over it" and so on. Alright, fine,but have perspective when young players don't develop as you'd like. As the meddling owner of the team, he has a big-ass role to play in the this teams recent history.
Another way to put it, D.J. developed quickly in Philly-did he have to learn a bunch of new offensive systems? Did he have a new head coach putting his "stamp" on the franchise? Did he have a young QB trying to break in with him?
With stability our young-ins should be fine.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 15, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I don't think getting rid of Zorn is going to suddenly boost DT11's IQ.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:17 PM

why not? is Zorn some type of genius?..he was wrong about Fred Davis..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 15, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse


??

How was he "wrong" about Fred Davis?


And why in the world is Jim Zorn to blame for Devin Thomas's very slow learning curve? Once again, the rest of the wide receivers did not have a difficult time learning Zorn's schemes. Devin Thomas did. I doubt that Jim Zorn stayed up late trying to discover some diabolical way to slow down DT11's learning capacity - the dude is just slow on the uptake.

It was the same deal with him at Michigan State, which is why he only had the one breakout year - it took him a year to figure out what to do on the field. Do we blame Jim Zorn for that as well?

Maybe the Shanny's have some ground-breaking teaching techniques that will allow DT to pick everything up real quickly; but I don't think it was a real encouraging sign that after the OTAs were done, the FO went out and signed Mike Furrey.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if this is a contract year for Portis? If it is whoa be unto the team that thinks he has changed. If it is then of course he is doing everything to be as good as he can be, until he gets another fat contract and can go back to being a 230 pound, getting caught from behind by a DL, complaining, injured slug.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | July 15, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

In 2004 CP signed a 10 year contract which runs to 2013.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 15, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey p1- you already know that teams routinely sign "bodies" for camp, so that frontline players don't wear out. Perhaps that's the case with Furrey.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 15, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

At 260 he is on the small side for a 4-3 DE. Having him be able to stand up and move around should make him more effective rushing the passer.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 5:09 PM


I fought this tooth and nail last season and still do...in no possible way is 260 pounds too small to play 4-3 DE. I won't rehash that whole argument again, but I'll suffice it to say that Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Trent Cole, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis all say 'hi'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Portis was an is fine. The local media specifically espn980 has a few characters with some sort of personal vendetta against Portis. Since Portis has been a Redskin he has never had an offensive line or more then one receiver therfore teams easily keyed on him. also with all the dysfunction in changing coaches , schemes etc the guy still got it done.

The fans here are so fair weather Portis has never done anything illegal or been arressted etc but the local media has done a high tech lynching on his character..

Posted by: BeatDontStop | July 15, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

We need to make this move...grab up Hixon, stash him on IR, and have a solid WR/KR/PR come 2011. He's an instant upgrade in all those spots...here's the skinny from PFT:


Giants make injured Hixon available to waivers
Posted by Evan Silva on July 15, 2010 4:31 PM ET
The New York Giants announced Wednesday that they have waived injured receiver/returner Domenik Hixon, and replaced him on the 80-man roster with career special teamer Adam Jennings.


The Giants' decision to waive/injured Hixon, as opposed to wait and place him on injured reserve, makes his situation slightly interesting. The rest of the league now has the opportunity to claim his rights. Though Hixon is out for the season with a torn right ACL, he is a game-altering return man and effective sub-package receiver when healthy. He ranked second in the league in punt return average last season.


Claiming off waivers a player who's been waived/injured is widely seen as a no-no in league circles, but the Jaguars executed the rare "snatch-and-stash move" with cornerback Don Carey last offseason. The Browns waived Carey after he suffered a season-ending shoulder injury in August. Jacksonville claimed Carey, stashed him on injured reserve for all of 2009, and inserted him with the first-team defense this spring.


The catch for Hixon is that he isn't signed through the 2011 season. Therefore, any team interested in the 25-year-old would most likely want to re-sign him before the start of free agency next offseason while monitoring Hixon's rehab from reconstructive knee surgery. They'd also have to pay him $1.684 million to sit on injured reserve.

Most likely, he'll wind up on New York's I.R., or be released with an injury settlement.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Portis was an is fine. The local media specifically espn980 has a few characters with some sort of personal vendetta against Portis. Since Portis has been a Redskin he has never had an offensive line or more then one receiver therfore teams easily keyed on him. also with all the dysfunction in changing coaches , schemes etc the guy still got it done.

The fans here are so fair weather Portis has never done anything illegal or been arressted etc but the local media has done a high tech lynching on his character..

Posted by: BeatDontStop | July 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Portis was an is fine. The local media specifically espn980 has a few characters with some sort of personal vendetta against Portis. Since Portis has been a Redskin he has never had an offensive line or more then one receiver therfore teams easily keyed on him. also with all the dysfunction in changing coaches , schemes etc the guy still got it done.

The fans here are so fair weather Portis has never done anything illegal or been arressted etc but the local media has done a high tech lynching on his character..

Posted by: BeatDontStop | July 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"of course, pressures aren't bad either, i just see 'em as incomplete sacks.Posted by: zatoichi77"

I think of it the other way around. Sacks usually result from the QB being unable to find a receiver, whether because of coverage or because he's just taking too long to get rid of the ball. Good QB pressure is more likely to result in INTs or 'throwaways'. The Skins last season were able to significantly improve their sack numbers without creating many INTs. They had an improved pass rush but still weren't able to consistently pressure the QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Imagine that. You make it plain to the useless back that he's ready to be replaced unless he steps up. Wow, isn't life amazing.

Posted by: 44fx290 | July 15, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I honestly don't know how Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly will look in training camp. They've been dinged up etc., way too much to tell. I do think Shanahan will improve that running game this year, which should help the receivers more than we know.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I do think Shanahan will improve that running game this year, which should help the receivers more than we know.
Posted by: Samson15
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Ummm...maybe having a QB will help the receivers more than we know too!

Posted by: isnadd | July 15, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse


Malcolm Kelly was the one with the bigger injury issue - he had microfracture knee surgery his rookie year. Even with that, he initially beat out DT for the #3 spot in Year 2, b/c he displayed better acumen knowing the plays. Then Kelly disappointed and Thomas got more opportunities showing something - a year and a half later.

And what in the world does it mean to tell someone to "just go play ball" at this level?? Seriously, is that how it works? You just let the receiver line up and run whatever he wants like some playground pickup game?

The Fred Davis thing was totally different. The guy was stuck behind a pro-bowl player on the depth chart. By comparison, the coaches/FO were practically begging Thomas to step up and take a starting position (especially when Kelly went out with knee surgery); instead he failed to beat out James Thrash or Antwann randle El or Malcolm Kelly for that matter.

If you want some "objective" evidence that Thomas had a hard time specifically learning and digesting the playbook and that was something that held him back, then here are a couple of tidbits for you...let me know if you need more, b/c there are plenty more that I didn't post:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/31/AR2009073103689.html

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/campbell-rates-thomas-progress.html


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/the-education-of-devin-thomas.html


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/devin-thomas-seems-to-be-close.html

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

portis will have a strong final season with us.

I predict 1200 yrds this yr then to be traded in the offseason.

His money is secure right now n he's our best option so we keep him for this yr, hopefully trade him in a swindle deal like shanny used to before to get rid of CP.

Win win scenario.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, I don't get how posting old stuff about DT somehow applies to him now with a new coaching staff in place. I mean, if Shanahan can get knuckleheads like Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie to play ball, I'm guessing he could coax DT into being a player. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 6:07 PM

P1funk...we only have Zorn's word that DT was slow learning...we all know by now how much of an ego-maniac Zorn was...he would not admit to being wrong on anything. and that one of the reason's he's gone...so i'm one who'll give these guiys the benefit of a doubt because of Zorn..and we'll see this season if its DT or the inventor of the Z-shades

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 15, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I fought this tooth and nail last season and still do...in no possible way is 260 pounds too small to play 4-3 DE. I won't rehash that whole argument again, but I'll suffice it to say that Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, Trent Cole, John Abraham, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis all say 'hi'...

Posted by: brownwood26

You notice that I said on the small side. Not too small. I realize there are quite a few DE's about his size. I also know that the reason why teams are moving to the 3-4 is because having a DE that small with his hand in the ground makes you more susceptible to the run. Orakpo's better position is a 3-4 OLB. In a 4-3 I do agree he is a DE. There is a reason why 4 of the top 5 rush defenses were 3-4s.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse
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Is there an award for sinking your own battleship?

"he has been attentive in his position group meetings, works hard in drills and knows the playbook, three things that could not be said about him as a rookie last season." - 4th article, August 1st 2009

But according to you he was just too stupid to 'learn the playbook' until the Saints game. Not maturity issues (Article 1). Not rookie inexperience (Article 2). Not missed practice due to injury (Article 3). Stupidity.

Yeah, dude. Epic FAIL.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 15, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Lets suppose DT is having difficulty learning the playbook. Then as a Coach, it's your job to do something about it. Spend extra time with him, hire him a personal tutor, find someone to read him the playbook as bedtime stories, hook a device onto his satelite dish that inserts the plays into whatever he's watcing as subliminal messages. Whatever you have to do to get that knowledge into his head, YOU DO IT. Smart and dedicated coaches know that. Let's hope Shanahan is that kind of coach.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Vick claimed about $20 million in debt when he filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in July 2008, while he was serving a 23-month sentence at the federal penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kan. Last summer, a bankruptcy judge approved a plan that allows Vick to keep $300,000 of his $5.2 million salary from the Philadelphia Eagles, with the rest going to creditors.

So riddle me this. If Dog Killer is living off of $.3 M then how is it that in the shooting incident at the Va Beach night club, he was reported to have left with his entourage minutes before the bullets flew. I don't see how no dud living off of that kind salad can afford to have an entourage like he did when he was with the Falcs. It just don't make no sense, do it?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 6:07 PM

P1funk...we only have Zorn's word that DT was slow learning...we all know by now how much of an ego-maniac Zorn was...he would not admit to being wrong on anything. and that one of the reason's he's gone...so i'm one who'll give these guiys the benefit of a doubt because of Zorn..and we'll see this season if its DT or the inventor of the Z-shades

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 15, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

You obviously didn't click any of the links.

The first article I posted was one where DT's own father was talking about how it has always taken Thomas a little longer to learn/digest the play.

Plenty of other folks like teammates and the QB also weighed in.

Seriously, the way folks portray things is sometimes as if Zorn had it in for Devin Thomas and just found ways to hold him back. Nothing would have made Zorn look better than to take Thomas and have him become a playmaker...WE SAW IT WITH OUR OWN EYES...Thomas got on the field and was getting flagged for offensive PI and motion penalties - he didn't have a clue what he was doing!

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

...let me know if you need more, ...

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 7:01 PM |

Otay, how about the dud's Wonderlic. When you have a situation where Camp's Wonderlic is throwing to DT's Wonderlic it ain't hard to see why the Skins had a sucko passing game in 2009.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse


@kaasmaster
I'll take a RB who "falls forward" for a 4 yards per carry and 1100 yards per season average. That's what he has done as a Redskin. The yards per season average would be higher if not for the two seasons that he only played 8 games. He has never gained less than 1250 yards in a season that he has played in at least 15 games.

None of that includes what he did the last time he played for Shanahan. Then he averaged 5.5 yards a carry and over 1500 yards per season.


I would to, but I think Westbrook makes more sense than Portis, having played with McNabb. As far as Clinton goes, his numbers in the past don't mean that much now as to what he'll do this season. I think Westbrook and McNabb could be reborn, and also determined to show their critics they're wrong.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I would to, but I think Westbrook makes more sense than Portis, having played with McNabb. As far as Clinton goes, his numbers in the past don't mean that much now as to what he'll do this season. I think Westbrook and McNabb could be reborn, and also determined to show their critics they're wrong.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse
If it was a choice of one or the other, I would stick with CP. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. I'm hoping we can get both playing. That would give us CP and LJ to pound the rock, and WEstbrook for passing situations. It would also keep BW and CP from getting overused and less likely to get a career-ending concussion.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 15, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse
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Is there an award for sinking your own battleship?

"he has been attentive in his position group meetings, works hard in drills and knows the playbook, three things that could not be said about him as a rookie last season." - 4th article, August 1st 2009

But according to you he was just too stupid to 'learn the playbook' until the Saints game. Not maturity issues (Article 1). Not rookie inexperience (Article 2). Not missed practice due to injury (Article 3). Stupidity.

Yeah, dude. Epic FAIL.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse


Dude what are you talking about???

The very quote that you lifted says clearly that he didn't know the plays his rookie year!!!!

That's what I've been saying!!

WTH are you talking about?

When they came out of training camp in Year 2, he was BEHIND MALCOLM KELLY. Malcolm Kelly was also a 2nd year guy, also had inexperience, also was immature as an NFL player, also was coming off of injury.

You are an epic MORON, and you have nothing.

I've contributed several articles that back up precisely what I've been saying - that Devin Thomas's development as a receiver was stunted by his inability to grasp the playbook and run the plays consistently.

I don;t even know how to continue this conversation with you.

You are using a quote that clearly says that DT didn;t know the plays his rookie year as evidence that he didn't have a problem picking up the plays.

I'm at a loss...maybe the MARTY_S_EMAIL_ADD guy can pick up this discussion with you, b/c that's about the level of thinking you've brought it to.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

We need to make this move...grab up Hixon, stash him on IR, and have a solid WR/KR/PR come 2011. He's an instant upgrade in all those spots...here's the skinny from PFT:

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 6:28 PM |

that's funny. shanahan drafted hixon. he returned kicks for the broncos for a while. hurt someone seriously running back a kick and he wasn't the same afterward. shanahan cut him and he was claimed by the giants.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 15, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Eager to prove his critics wrong, Portis has done everything Coach Mike Shanahan has asked of him, team sources said, and is expected to hold off fellow Pro Bowl backs Larry Johnson and Willie Parker for the starting job.

Inasmuch as the dude had a serioso conk last season, this statement don't sound too smart. He should be easied back into action with the other RBs getting the majority of the action initially in training camp and in preseason. If no adverse reaction occurs then they can think about opening up the throttle.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, I don't get how posting old stuff about DT somehow applies to him now with a new coaching staff in place. I mean, if Shanahan can get knuckleheads like Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie to play ball, I'm guessing he could coax DT into being a player. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse


Brownie,

Nothing would make me happier than to see DT go for 1300/10TDs this year.

All I've been saying is that the guy has always been slow to pick things up.

THE MAN'S OWN FATHER SAID THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE EVER SINCE DT WAS PLAYING FOOTBALL.

Yeah, maybe Shanny has some Matrix link up that will just insert the plays into Thomas's brain. Who knows.

The point is that we are dealing with a guy who has a record of struggling early with new systems; so before we start projecting 60 catches and 900 yards for the guy, let's just see if he can hold down a starting spot come season opener.

That's all.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I would to, but I think Westbrook makes more sense than Portis, having played with McNabb. As far as Clinton goes, his numbers in the past don't mean that much now as to what he'll do this season. I think Westbrook and McNabb could be reborn, and also determined to show their critics they're wrong.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:08 PM

I have stated previously that I would love to have BOTH Portis and Westbrook on our team. I believe that their styles of play would compliment each other, and certainly McNabb's familiarity with Westbrook would be an advantage. Portis is the guy we definately have. It still remains to be seen weather we will have Westbrook. I'd rather be excited about someone we know is on the team than someone who might possibly be on the team maybe.

But then again, McNabb and Westbrook's numbers in the past don't mean any more than Portis' as to what they'll do this season. For us outsiders, those numbers are among the best indicators we have to predict a player's future sucess. To say that one player's past numbers are meaningfull and another's are meaningless doesn't make much sense.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

A little cautious optimism never hurt anyone...just sayin'...

Agreed, and all the forum is good. If this organization becomes a class act like it was before "you know who owned the team," then I'm back 100%. Not picking things apart, but I was never a big Portis fan. He had me on his first carry from scrimmage in his first game with us, I think a 64 yard run. He's a heck of a pass blocker, and he's had some good games for us. You'll have to admit, he falls forward to much. Westbrook would be my choice, with a running back drafted in the first round in 2011 or 2012. Please note, 1st round. Please don't trade anymore draft picks! Jeez

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I think of it the other way around. Sacks usually result from the QB being unable to find a receiver, whether because of coverage or because he's just taking too long to get rid of the ball. Good QB pressure is more likely to result in INTs or 'throwaways'. The Skins last season were able to significantly improve their sack numbers without creating many INTs. They had an improved pass rush but still weren't able to consistently pressure the QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 15, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately for the Skins' offense last year, Campbell was unable to find any blockers in front of him...

Posted by: randysbailin | July 15, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

DT, unfortunately, is dumb as a rock. Great athlete. But stupid as they come.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse
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Unfortunately, I don't think getting rid of Zorn is going to suddenly boost DT11's IQ.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 4:17 PM
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All I've been saying is that the guy has always been slow to pick things up.

Posted by: p1funk | July 15, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse
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And I'm the moron? At least I know what the f*ck I was arguing 4 hours ago.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Is there an award for sinking your own battleship?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 7:25 PM |

Mebbe. That's what the Gerries did to their fleet at Scrappa Flow at the end of WWI.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse


@kaasmaster

I referred only to Portis' past numbers, and not McNabb or Westbrooks. The advantage is both McNabb and Westbrook have played together, or maybe you didn't read my whole post.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

DT went to a CC for 2 years because he didn't have the grades/SAT/ACT to get in after his senior year of HS. He then went to MSU where had 1 year of production. He essentially caught 60 bubble screens and set a school record with 79 catches.

I know this because I'm a football junkie and probably watched more snaps of DT than Vinny did before he was selected with the 34th overall pick.

He came to the Redskins without the ability/skill/practice running the most basic of routes. His first year he couldn't even run a 9 route which my 5 yr old could run. A 9 route is running in a straight line, his route had a few too many zigs and zags. In fact he spent the 2008 season not even knowing where to line up.

I was on this very board proclaiming the 2008 draft an absolute bust the Sunday of the draft and believe you me, 2+ years later I wish I was wrong.

And Fantasia is a fat pig..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 8:37 PM |

Got any Klipsch Heresy III's on sale?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I know this because I'm a football junkie and probably watched more snaps of DT than Vinny did before he was selected with the 34th overall pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 8:45 PM |

Vinny never watched no snaps. That's what scouts are for. And Wonderlic scores too.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 8:37 PM |

Got any Klipsch Heresy III's on sale?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse
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Sorry. My products are strictly lo-fi.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 15, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Hess, at this stage of his career, I don't want Westbrook any higher than 2nd on my depth chart. Too many miles, too many injuries...playing him in small doses is mutually beneficial for team and player.

Like it or not (and I don't like it), Portis is the starter here for at least one more year.

And a big fat NO to burning a 1st rounder on a RB next year...we have waaay more pressing needs, and even if we didn't, Shanahan routinely plugs in mid-round picks and undrafted slappies and make 'em 1,000 yard rushers. I mean, Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder for God's sakes...not saying we'll pluck a 2,000 yard rusher in Round 6 as well, but we don't exactly have to take one at the top of the draft to get an effective one either.

Two more things: pfunk, we'll see about DT this year. 2010 is his make or break season, no questions asked.

And co-sign 100% on Diesel's assertion that "Fantasia is a fat pig". Easily one of the most heinous lookin' chicks ever on American Idol. I wouldn't f*ck her with hess's dick and beep_beep pushin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse


people familiar with his thinking said

Is that the same as "several sources," or "spoke under the condition of being anonymous"?

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse


brown
Too many miles, too many injuries

Same could be said for Portis. We'll have to wait and see. We need to draft O-line and D-line, no question. But the right RB going in the first round with what you assume is a good O-line now, ya never know. I love a mid to lower round pick to excell at any position, but a top notch RB? C'mon, keep stockpiling draft picks and it could happen. Now how's that for optimism brown?

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Now how's that for optimism brown?

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:16 PM |

Hey, what is the color of shti?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 15, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sample wonderlic, only 10 questions and the real deal is 50..

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/2/17/762095/combine-the-wonderlic

I just took it and scored a 45..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse


Isn't life Wonderlic!

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse


@Diesel44
Sample wonderlic, only 10 questions and the real deal is 50..

Got a 40. Now I'm worried about McNabbs score on the test!

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"Let's suppose DT is having difficulty learning the playbook. Then as a Coach, it's your job to do something about it."


Didja ever see the inside of any kind of football playbook?

They are all kinda complicated, especially the NFL ones where a lot of times, a guy has to digest the play and the various protection schemes that go with it.

So why even draft a guy not smart enough or motivated or experienced enough to learn what he has to do on his own?

Or: if he's not that smart, don't draft him so high.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:41 PM

I acknowledged that McNabb and Westbrook's familiarity would be advantageous, or didn't you read MY whole post. No, you did not mention numbers for both players, but you were infering that past history for Portis IS NOT an indicator for the future, while in the next sentence infering that past history for McNabb and Westbrook IS an indicator for the future.

My point is that history is often the best indicator for the future that we have available. It doesn't always work, but it's better than a blind guess.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

hessone

"Isn't life Wonderlic!"

Actually, life is full if the lick is a wonder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

hessone- nice score. I stared at that stupid match the block with the 3 that make up the sequence of blocks for awhile and probably got that wrong.

I'm not worried about McNabb's score as much as I worry about him playing 16 games. BTW…DT11 passed on the wonderlic during the draft, in retrospect probably a pretty good move by him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse


@kaasmaster

Breath in the good and breath out the bad, jeez. I indeed read your whole post and we agree on the McNabb / Westbrook connection. And I understand your stance as far as statistics and the future.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

(yes, I stole this)

"Shanahan reaffirms: Redskins won't pursue Terrell Owens"

In April, when Terrell Owens first began talking about a reunion with Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan quickly doused the fires, saying "we will not go in that direction right now." Sounds like "right now" might have meant "ever."

We endorse not bringing in T.O..

There is no reason for this opinion.

And that's what makes it right.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

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The Dallas' used their 7th round pick to select that future Pro Bowl NT in the supplemental draft.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

So why even draft a guy not smart enough or motivated or experienced enough to learn what he has to do on his own?

Or: if he's not that smart, don't draft him so high.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:49 PM
Those are good questions Moe. I often wonder why certain players are drafted so high when they clearly don't seem to be bright enough to grasp the game at an NFL level. Heath Shuler is a clasic Redskins example. I guess when you're as dumb as Vinny seems to be, it's hard to judge the mental faculties of the players you're drafting.

As a Coach though, you often have to work with the "talent" that you inherit. In that case it is your job to get the most out of what you have to work with. Sometimes it takes a lot of extra effort and creativeness to get your concepts into someone's thick skull, but the best Coaches/teachers do what it takes to make it work.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse


@Diesel44

hessone- nice score.

Not bad for runner up, thanks! I know I got the three blocks wrong. That last question though, I was looking for 5%, and I just couldn't find that sucker, so I answered 4%. Wrong!

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Kass-

Heath Shuler was plenty smart. He just wasn't good enough. A better example would be Jeff George...100 mil arm, 10 cent head.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is bringing in winners. Period.

I suspect next yr well praise all the moves then.

After year two we will look more like shannys team.

Only so much can be done in one offseason.

4 new starters this year.

I'm hoping for 4 more next year.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

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The Dallas' used their 7th round pick to select that future Pro Bowl NT in the supplemental draft.

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:07 PM

Hey perineum, we don't need any Dallas Brokeback slurpers up here. Go away.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 15, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

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Clinton Tortoise is frail. The sooner the Redskins lose him and that dumb fan whose last name rhymes with scramble, the sooner they will be better

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse


Diesel

I do believe Jeff George was a boy playing in a men's game to go along with his low score. He always looked as if he had a load in his pants.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

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Clinton Tortoise is frail. The sooner the Redskins lose him and that dumb fan whose last name rhymes with scramble, the sooner they will be better

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:24 PM

Get lost taint boy. The Dallas Donkeyshows have their own blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 15, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how CP's speed is now? I'd love to see his 40 time.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


FASTER THAN HE WAS WHEN HE TIED LANDRY IN THE 40 RACE. I THINK HE WOULD EASILY BEAT HIM NOW. CP LOST WEIGHT AND LANDRY PUT ON WEIGHT.

Posted by: artsnsportz | July 15, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse


Clinton Tortoise is frail. The sooner the Redskins lose him and that dumb fan whose last name rhymes with scramble, the sooner they will be better

Now that's funny!

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Tortoise is frail. The sooner the Redskins lose him and that dumb fan whose last name rhymes with scramble, the sooner they will be better

Now that's funny!

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:29 PM

That says a lot about you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 15, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how CP's speed is now? I'd love to see his 40 time.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

He could race scampbald and that would be an even match. Then afterwards scampbald can do a headstand and spit nickels while Tortoise paints his perinuem


Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse


@scampbell1975

What, because something is funny? Quit taking things so seriously and lighten up. Jeez

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

kassmaster

"As a Coach though, you often have to work with the "talent" that you inherit."

The irony with the redskins, though, is that both Jim Zorn and Mike Shanahan wind up having to accept players they might not have otherwise wanted.

Zorn took whatever Vinny drafted as his Faustian deal procluded his involvement with talent acquisition.

Shanahan has say over talent, but must put trust in guys like Thomas/Kelly who have more question marks on them than the Riddler's costume.

In any event, where millions of dollars and talent are involved, I'm taking the smartest guy with smarts.

Which means if I'm GM, maybe low I.Q. Thomas gets drafted only if he has a ton o' college experience at the position.

And he didn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse


@skinshaveaGM

scampbald thinks your a cowboys fan I think. Even if you are, keep the humor coming.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

skinshaveagm/periculum

You have to teach me the bold-face trick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

@skinshaveaGM

scampbald thinks your a cowboys fan I think. Even if you are, keep the humor coming.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:40 PM |
My God perineum has found a fan. I actually believe they're the same person now. Talk about a new low. Someone blogging on 2 computers at once to back themselves up. Pretty sad actually. But if anyone was going to do it it's perineum/skinshaveaGM/hessone. I was wondering why all of hessone's posts were so retarded. Now it all makes sense.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 15, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry not gonna happen. I love Portis for what he brought to the Redskins in 2005, but this is 2010 and that dude is all worn out, no matter what shape he comes to camp in. Come to think of it LJ and WP are too. Hmmm.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 15, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse


@scamp

I think someone needs to get laid. Go warm up the hand and come back in a better mood.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm out.

Cormac McCarthy's "The Road" will put me to sleep tonite.

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse


MistaMoe = Nighty-night

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

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Moe
Click Here to find out

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Portis HAS BEEN a cancer...there's no doubt about it.

If he gets over the "first hit and down" problem he's had,he still isn't fast enough anymore.

Love it when these so called professionals won't work because "I don't like the coach..." so stop taking the pay checks...

Posted by: petebowling1 | July 15, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

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Try This One Moe

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse


scampbell1975 = Vivid Imagination

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Listen to mike Shanhan
Thursday July 15th- The Washington Redskins head coach joins Joe and Evan to preview his new team and the upcoming

http://www.wfan.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=4802543

Posted by: suliman215 | July 15, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Great, first it was annoying all caps posts, now bold type, next it will be all caps and bold, after that: all caps, bold, and underlined, coming soon: angry red letters.... When will it end?

"He who speaks loudly will surely be heard, but a whisper can not be ignored"
- Warren Haynes

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse


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Try This One Moe

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM

cool

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

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Don't worry about SCRAMBLYBRAINS1975, hessone.

He likes dishing it out, but runs away when the same is done to him

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | July 15, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

And what's with all the plus signs? Are the dotted lines between posts suddenly not good enough?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 15, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

This is boring. It's the worst time of year for sports.....Any way Mel Gibson is dat Ni**a!

Posted by: GOmellyDOTcom | July 15, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

CP's comical and idiotic statements over the years aside. The dude's burst to the line of scrimmage has been terrible for the past couple of seasons even on the occasions he had decent blocking in front of him. He actually got less yardage on 90% of his carries than he should have. Now, if that magically changes, he was dogging it for a couple of seasons without doubt. So, his "fans" can't have it both ways except of course to find some sort of excuse, which CP is perfectly capable of doing himself.

Posted by: rphilli721 | July 16, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Ha, having a conversation with himself. Pretty sad. Have a good one perineum/skinshaveaGM/hessone. You sure have created a new low for RI.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I was encouraged to see NFL teams passing on Harvey Unga til the 12th choice of the 7th round. He's probably a legit value at that level. The other player, taken by Dallas, also went in the 7th.

Nice to see teams not jumping over hoops for marginal college players.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 16, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Samson- you mean like the skins taking JJ w/ a 3rd and a yr later he might be cut?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 16, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

John Riggins, Earnest Byner, Joe Washington, Stephen Davis and Larry Brown all took time off during the week in order to be ready on Sundays. Portis is one of the top 5 RB's in football. Rushing, Pass Catching, Blocking, Recovering Fumbles and tackling people who get turnovers. He is a freak, who changed his game to fit the scheme. Now the scheme has change to feature his strong suit. Give him a break, he will come through or be carried off on a cart, for that is the only way he knows how to play, hard and solid.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | July 16, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

red, kelly doesn't have to get that open, he just needs a small amount of space, and he can use his body to shield the defender, and use his long arms to snag the ball.....he'll be on the roster...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse
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I hope he's our Ed McCaffrey

Posted by: AnthonyMix | July 16, 2010 2:22 AM | Report abuse

"But he was energized by the firing of former coach Jim Zorn and the hiring of Shanahan"

Yeah, "energized," alright. He thought he'd be next.

And he wasn't lackadaisical, he was lazical. He took last year off, left his team and his coach out to dry. Actually, probably a smart move.

That said, he talks to much and seems not to have a very loose grasp of reality and fact while also remaining impervious and oblivious to the irony and contradictions inherent in many of his own statements.

I hope he DOES go for 1500 yards.
I aint holding my breath, though.
He looked AWFUL last year. Pathetic. I hope getting in shape can improve his balance and vision and heart, because THOSE are the things that seemed to be lacking, let alone "enthusiasm."

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:25 AM | Report abuse

you know what I mean. maybe.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

I sure do.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:29 AM | Report abuse

hey, can we say "penis" on here?

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

what about "vagina?"

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

And "tits?"

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about Free Speech!
This must be what we're fighting for!
It's great!

God Bless America!

Penis, tits, vagina, ass, dick.

You don't get Freedom like this in every country, you know.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 16, 2010 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to the dark side, hess...now optimism doesn't feel so bad, does it?

And who started the whole Wonderlic thing? I mean, really people...WTF difference does it make what McNabb got on his Wonderlic in 1999 if he's now AN 11 YEAR VETERAN AND 6 TIME PRO BOWLER??? I'd like to think his 216 TDs and 32,873 passing yards would count for a bit more than what shakes out to a brain teasers quiz over a decade ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

I guess TO ain't gonna happen here...from NFL.com:


When asked about the possibility of reuniting Owens with former teammate Donovan McNabb as a Redskin, Shanahan told New York's WFAN-AM (via The Washington Post) that "I made a commitment relative to T.O., that we were not gonna go in that direction."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81923fbd/article/shanahan-says-no-to-to-wait-and-see-on-haynesworth

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Pat Kirwan has an interesting way to get TO under contract without paying him big money:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81922c39/article/want-to-roll-the-dice-on-to-this-contract-proposal-could-work

Wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Skins did something like this, but I wouldn't be in favor of giving TO anything more than a one year deal...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan knows how to get the most out of CP. Seems like CP is motivated by these public challenges and a little competition behind him. I am ready to jump on his bandwagon, because he is now letting his actions speak for him instead of engaging his mouth without much thought. I have one linger doubt, however: the bone spurs. One would think he is still bothered by them. They don't go away without surgery. Either he was amking too big a deal about them last year, or this is going to eventually slow him down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan knows how to get the most out of CP. Seems like CP is motivated by these public challenges and a little competition behind him. I am ready to jump on his bandwagon, because he is now letting his actions speak for him instead of engaging his mouth without much thought. I have one linger doubt, however: the bone spurs. One would think he is still bothered by them. They don't go away without surgery. Either he was amking too big a deal about them last year, or this is going to eventually slow him down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Pat Kirwan has an interesting way to get TO under contract without paying him big money:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81922c39/article/want-to-roll-the-dice-on-to-this-contract-proposal-could-work

Wouldn't hurt my feelings if the Skins did something like this, but I wouldn't be in favor of giving TO anything more than a one year deal...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 6:59 AM
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Okay, Brownwood, this contract is something even I could live with "IF" there was just one additional clause that concerned itself with relinquishing all bonuses for conduct detrimental to the team. What that is specifically can be drawn out, but there's got to be something in there that hammers him if he mouths off to the media about one of his teammates or coaches. One could argue about free speech and all of that, but even a high ranking general has to be held accountable for being critical of the boss...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse


scampbell1975

You're a hoot scampbald!

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

RSH, Portis has played in this offense before so I think he will play well...to me, it's a matter of whether he can hold up over 16 games. Having LJ around helps guard against a dropoff if that happens, but I still think we'd be better off with Westbrook and Torain as the primary backups. I guess we'll find out soon enough...can't wait for camp to start!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis is at the point in his career where running backs usually break down.

I also find it funny that Shanahan now has to coach Portis again. It is probably poetic justice after fleecing the Redskins in the trade for Bailey.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 16, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that the Cowboys took the NT in the supplemental draft yesterday?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Okay, Brownwood, this contract is something even I could live with "IF" there was just one additional clause that concerned itself with relinquishing all bonuses for conduct detrimental to the team. What that is specifically can be drawn out, but there's got to be something in there that hammers him if he mouths off to the media about one of his teammates or coaches. One could argue about free speech and all of that, but even a high ranking general has to be held accountable for being critical of the boss...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 7:47 AM


Oh, that goes without saying, my friend...you don't sign TO unless and until you address that. As I've said before, I think he's past all that stuff and he knows he's nearing the end of the line so I think he'll be on his best behavior (as he always has been in Year 1 of a new place anyway). Either way, you still guard yourself against the possiblity of an outburst.

I mean, it's like getting a prenup...if you're rich, it doesn't matter how in love you are and how much she "love you for you"...you get the damn prenup anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

RSH, Portis has played in this offense before so I think he will play well...to me, it's a matter of whether he can hold up over 16 games. Having LJ around helps guard against a dropoff if that happens, but I still think we'd be better off with Westbrook and Torain as the primary backups. I guess we'll find out soon enough...can't wait for camp to start!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 7:53 AM
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You and me both. I am right with you on Westbrook and Torain, as well. With Willi Parker, there has just been too many things written about his lost burst and how bad he looks when held up against the other backs. Plus, when the Steelers have milked a running back to the point of cutting them, you have to imagine there is not much left in the tank. Cut Willi, sign Westbrook, and let's get this season started...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that the Cowboys took the NT in the supplemental draft yesterday?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 8:03 AM


Yeah, saw that last night...it's of no consequence, IMO. Like I said yesterday, I'm not impressed with a guy playing NT only being able to manage 22 reps in the bench press. Plus, if the dude was expected to be a solid player, he woulda gone a lot sooner than the 7th round.

Unga to Chicago is a bit more interesting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I love how you're omitting the 'e' at the end of Willie's name...as if he's a woman. I don't know if you're doing that intentionally, but either way it's hilarious...

I'll never understand why they signed him to begin with. He's a poor man's Clinton Portis...you don't need the poor man's version of a guy that's already on your team.

I'm intrigued by Torain if he can stay healthy. I could see him having a big preseason and getting all the Marcus Mason fans up here all in a tizzy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

read through the comments last night, and sometimes you can't fix stupid:

"How was he "wrong" about Fred Davis?"

just wow....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 7:53 AM
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I am right with you on Westbrook and Torain, as well.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 8:07 AM

Two of the groundskeepers from the Grass-Is-Always-Greener or the Pig-In-A-Poke crowd are out early this morning. They think that Westbrook, who won't sign with the Redskins, and Torain (whose name they can't spell) who they'd never even heard of before the Redskins signed, and has 15 carries in his NFL career are the guys! And they base this on what? hope, prayer, Madden ratings, and unbridled naivete. Certainly not based on anything they've actually seen with their own eyes since they're effectively blind.

Redskins Insider: Where you always get the best analysis of the Redskins' roster!

Posted by: lxy32 | July 16, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm intrigued by Torain if he can stay healthy. I could see him having a big preseason and getting all the Marcus Mason fans up here all in a tizzy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:21 AM

Every time I hear a soundbite regarding the RB situation from players, Torain's name keeps coming up. Lorenzo mentioned his name yesterday in an interview. Torain;s has the speed, vision, and youth this team needs. He just has to stay healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

lxy32, I don't know who pissed in your Cheerios this morning or where you're going with that remark, but I don't think it's out of the question to think a Mike Shanahan offense throws a curveball in the ground game. I mean, what part of "anybody they put in that offense at RB gets 1,000 yards...and I mean ANYBODY" are you not grasping? Again...Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder playing special teams as a rookie and a couple years later, he's one of a handful of players in league history to go for 2,000 yards. Undrafted dudes and late round picks routinely flourish in that system.

I fail to see why it's baseless to think that Torain (a guy Shanahan was high on when both were in Denver, by the way) would do well here.

So why don't you actually state a position on the topic, instead of just lobbing grenades onto the blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"Every time I hear a soundbite regarding the RB situation from players, Torain's name keeps coming up."


A moment of clarity is in order.

Last year, Marko Mitchell's name is the one that rolled off the defensive player's lips as a guy to watch.

And now, MM is at the bottom of the vikings receivers roster looking up at S Rice and P Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Exactly TWISI...all I hear is good things about this guy. Far greater than we've ever heard about Marcus Mason...yet MM has a successful run as the RI chic pick to be the next undrafted HoFer and going on a limb to say a guy Shanahan thought enough of to bring here from Denver is taboo.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

A moment of clarity is in order.

Last year, Marko Mitchell's name is the one that rolled off the defensive player's lips as a guy to watch.

And now, MM is at the bottom of the vikings receivers roster looking up at S Rice and P Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 8:46 AM

This is true about MM. However, you have to think that the coaching staff is high on him too since they brought him to the Skins. They could've trade for Hillis or brought Selvin Young in, but Shanahan went with Ryan. This leads me to believe that Shanny thinks he has a player in Ryan.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

A moment of clarity is in order.

Last year, Marko Mitchell's name is the one that rolled off the defensive player's lips as a guy to watch.

And now, MM is at the bottom of the vikings receivers roster looking up at S Rice and P Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 8:46 AM


You make a solid point Moe, but playing RB is a different animal than playing WR. That's comparing apples and oranges, especially in this offense. Plus, you're discounting Torain's prior experience with this staff and MM was a holdover from the old regime.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

You speak highly of the 6th rounder Davis, and deservingly so. The Bronco's had an excellent O-Line as well, with the former Redskin Schlereth in the mix. How ironic Davis injured his knee making a tackle on an intercepted pass. Still, stock up on draft picks and get a top notch RB through the draft. You can use your high picks on any position and still have a bust. But the odds are going to be higher in the first round of getting a premium RB. As you would say, just sayin....

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

3.6 SCALE EARTHQUAKE ROCKS ASHBURN

ASHBURN, VA -- Things were shaking, rattling and rolling early this morning in Ashburn, Virginia, site of the Washington Redskins training camp.

The U.S. Geological Survey Team in Colorado said an earthquake measuring approximately 3.6 on the Richter Scale was noted shortly after 5 a.m. local time this morning, centered in a rock formation about 3 miles beneath the training camp.

While there were no reports of injuries or property damage, things did get off to a comical start at the Redskins camp, because team officials thought initially that overpriced defensive tackle Albert “Jabba” Huttsworth might be reporting early to the camp, which is not expected to officially open until July 29.

“I hate to say it, but this morning’s quake wasn’t much different than what we hear and feel when Albert is taking his morning constitutional,” said one team official, who went on to explain that the highest paid lineman in the NFL seems to have a special affinity for mass quantities of beef and bean burritos.

“But then we soon realized how absurd that idea was,” said the official. “Some things happen, and other things don’t. Earthquakes happen -- that’s true. But Albert reporting early to camp? Impossible -- it just would never happen.”

Posted by: Vic1 | July 16, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

As I said hess, if you can get a 1,000+ yard rusher in Round 5 or 6 instead of in Round 1, you get him for a lot cheaper and you can use one the 1st rounder to improve the line play. It's the smart move. Having a guy like Shanahan here with his RB-friendly offense, taking a RB in Round 1 would be the equivolent of taking a punter in the 2nd round...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Funny, brown26. The only one that constantly mentions Marcus Mason's name is, um, uh... YOU! Dude has been gone for a minute now, I think you can let it go, seriously.


Do you jizz your Levi's on being right on that or something? I mean, it's just sort of lame and really lost it's punchline zeal MONTHS ago... like the Leigh Torrence thing... No one ever said dude was HOF bound, but keep pimping that hyperbole sentiment manufactured by none other than, uh, um... YOU!


Don't forget to pat yourself on the back on how you "called that one". Matter of fact, fu_k it, do it with both hands.

Really fu_king hard.....

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

*passing the doobie to Red*

You need this thang more than I do this morning

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 16, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"I also find it funny that Shanahan now has to coach Portis again."


Select the vocabulary word that best fits the outcome of the redskins/broncos relationship with regard to CP and Shanahan:

a.) ironic

b.) serendipity

c.) fortuitious


I don't know what any of those words mean, but we are lucky that an odd situation worked out in our favor for a change.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld

*passing the doobie to Red*

Let me bogard it so I won't be politickin' and ramblin' all morning:

(INSERT image of Moe holdin', holdin', holdin', holdin', holdin', and holdin' the blunt, and then choking to exhal a cloud of turning smoke.)

Here you go, bro'.

I'm straight for the rest of the day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Double Marcus Mason! All the way!

...what does it MEEEEAAAANNNN???

Double Complete Marcus Mason! In my front yard!! Too Much. It's so intense

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow Red, speaking of pissing in Cheerios...

I never said anything about being right or "calling that one" or any of the stuff you said so I really have NO idea where you're going with that. All I'm saying is that if some up here can get geared up about an undrafted local kid, I (and anyone else here) have way more reason to feel good about a young player who has actually played in this offense.

Sorry if you burned $100 on your Mason jersey, but that's your problem if you thought that highly of the guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking at this Domenik Hixon story on NFLN...I really hope the Skins get him off waivers and stash him on IR. I'd feel 100% better about the WR spot in 2011 if we've got him here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is a beast. yeah i know people say he lost a step and all of that last year but i just saw a player who wasn't motivated and wasn't inspired he knew Zorn was a lame-duck and was going to be fired so he didnt run hard in a effort to keep his body fresh for this season, why get broke up for a 4-12 season. let's not forget who the only true offensive weapon is besides cooley and moss. Clinton has put so much on the line for us fans during his time here. remember the 5 and 0 or we dont go (both times) he did his thing. the best pass-blocking back in the league. #2 all-time in redskins rushing history 75 years of tradition and he is number 2 and still going. I hate when people bash him i guess they forgot who Southeast Jerome was or Kid-Bro Sweets (my favorite) or forgot all the pounding he took for us in the NFC Beast. i'm rooting for CP to have a stellar year and leave us as the number 1 rusher in redskins history I'll back him untill he leaves us he's earned it.

Posted by: cpt55back | July 16, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 9:29 PM |

Provides link to mini Wonderlic quiz - 10 questions instead of 50. None of the questions are brain teasers. The only real challenge is working quickly. Question #9 is downright baffling. I had to try all 10 possible choices to find out what the "right" answer was. And when I found out I did not agree with their choice.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

shanahan drafted portis in the second round, which is the highest round he's drafted a rb in. then he turned around and traded him after back to back 1500+ yard seasons. there's a lot to read between the lines there.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Pete Carroll dances on tampering line with Albert Haynesworth
Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2010 9:35 AM ET
As if Seahawks coach Pete Carroll hasn't created enough problems for himself via potentially reckless disregard of the rules that applied to his team's activities at USC, Carroll possibly has re-launched his NFL tenure by getting himself in line for a tampering claim.

In Thursday's appearance on 106.7 The Fan in D.C. with Chad Dukes and Brian Mitchell (who was subbing for LaVar Arrington), Dukes sought out Carroll's opinion on recalcitrant Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, and Dukes prefaced his question by pointing out the existence of rumors that the Seahawks could be interested in the man who isn't interested in playing nose tackle in a 3-4 defense.

In such situations, prudent NFL coaches say something like this: "Haynesworth is under contract with the Redskins. So, guys, I just can't talk about him."

Prudent NFL coaches take that approach because the league's Anti-Tampering Policy contains the following language: "Any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player to that player's agent or representative, or to a member of the news media, is a violation of this Anti-Tampering Policy. (Example of a prohibited comment: 'He's an excellent player, and we'd very much like to have him if he were available, but another club holds his rights.')"

Here's what Carroll said about Haynesworth: "I'm not gonna make a decision, declaration on something like that without knowing the player, hearing the situation, and gathering as much as you can. Because you don't ever really know the whole story until you dig in. . . . We were interested in the thought of him because he's such a fantastic player, but if he wants to play the game. That's what you have to figure out. Where's the love of the game in all this? And where does this all fit in? Because if you're getting a guy that's, regardless of what you're playing him at, if his heart isn't in it 1000 percent, he wants to be great and part of a great team, then you need to get another guy. It just depends, and I would look deep into it and we started the process because we thought maybe they weren't gonna be able to come to a deal and they were gonna make him available, but it didn't work out that way."

continued...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

A couple of points about plugging 1000 yard rushers into Shanahans offense.

The last two years in Denver he did not have a 1000 yard rusher.
2008 - no 1000 yd rusher
2007 - no 1000 yd rusher

Since Alex Gibbs left the Broncos the rushing numbers have dropped to the low that was Shanny's last two years.

2003 - 2629
2004 - 2333
2005 - 2539
2006 - 2159
2007 - 1957
2008 - 1862

So how much of the credit should go to Gibbs and how much should go to Shannny?

Falcons who Gibbs went to in 2004. 1900 yds rushing in 2003 and 2600 to lead the league in 2004. They were number 1 through the 2006 season when Gibbs left. Fell to 1520 yds and 26th place the next year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 16, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

continued...

On the surface, Carroll's words could be interpreted as ultimately indicating that the team has no interest in Haynesworth. Thus, there's no violation.

But read between the lines. Carroll makes it clear that the Seahawks were interested, and he indirectly provides some clues as to things that could renew that interest, such as a demonstration of the "love of the game" and a desire to "be great and part of a great team."

Moreover, it's not as if the situation has been resolved via Haynesworth and Shanahan hugging it out. Haynesworth hasn't rescinded his statement regarding his desire not to play in a 3-4 defense, and if he and/or his agent know that the Seahawks could still be interested, maybe Haynesworth will behave differently at training camp.

Of course, the notion that the Redskins would suggest that the Seahawks or anyone else tampered with Haynesworth would ooze more irony than a Brett Favre biceps tattoo that reads "4ever young." After all, it's widely believed (albeit not proven by the league) that the Redskins had contact with Haynesworth and/or his agent before the launch of the free-agency signing period in 2009. Moreover, the league rarely pushes tampering cases aggressively, and even then only when X-rays show the cookie jar residing in the stomach of the offending team.

So while Carroll most likely won't get into any trouble over this, the fact that he'd even take the risk shows that either he doesn't know the rules, or he doesn't care.

In other words, the guy who coached at USC, for better or worse, hasn't really changed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

And now, MM is at the bottom of the vikings receivers roster looking up at S Rice and P Harvin.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 8:46 AM

This is true about MM.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 8:54 AM |

Look at it this way. He could be on some other team's WR corps looking up at shti, as he was with the Skins last year. I ask you, which is better, ranking-wise?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Clinton Portis is a beast."


So let's keep him in a cage for most of the season.

Rather than having Portis rush for 1,400+ yards, I'd take him having fewer attempts early on with the idea that he'll be 'fresh' should a playoff run suddenly be in the offing.

Then, I'd unleash him like he was Godzilla and the NFC, Tokyo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:45 AM |

Riddle me this. Do you have anything else to do in life other than posting on this blog?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

said the man posting on the same blog.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me Carroll all but admitting he wants AH a couple days after AH's trainer publicly says #92 is lean and mean as ever isn't a coincidence...this three-way deal to send AH to Seattle and get VJ in D.C. may have some merit after all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what any of those words mean, but we are lucky that an odd situation worked out in our favor for a change.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 9:16 AM |

As to what words mean, check out question #9 in the Wonderlic link in:

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 9:29 PM |

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Matt, thanks. But if it ain't exotic (kush, 'dro, diesel) I'll pass. Can't smoke that regualr anymore. Just make a dude tired...

Brown, two things: I don't eat Cheerios, 2) I haven't a brought a jersey since I copped my authentic burgundy Sean Taylor jersey (which would be more than a yard [$100], ya dig?).


Every time a brotha curses, why he gotta be mad though? There wasn't any insults, just made an observation how you like to make hyperbolic references when talking about Marcus Mason -- all the time.

I mean, I hated (using term loosely) Cartwright as much as you hated Mason, but you don;t here me talking about how the 'Skins will rue the day they cut Rock Cartwright (sarcastically speaking)...

I mean for all the mucho pimping you did on Rock's behalf he turned out to be a real punk ass.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 9:51 AM |

You're another one of whom the riddle could be posed. Done any work lately? Your co's HR dept should have a firewall to keep you away. You might ask the same question of me. But I took the day off. Hey, TGIF dude. How many of my posts have you seen during working hrs?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

shanahan drafted portis in the second round, which is the highest round he's drafted a rb in. then he turned around and traded him after back to back 1500+ yard seasons. there's a lot to read between the lines there.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 16, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Shannahan had enough confidence in his system that he believed he could make almost any running back a 1,000 yard back. With that trade he got the best shut down corner in the NFL plus a second round draft pick. Denver desperately needed a corner back at that time.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 16, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

shanahan drafted portis in the second round, which is the highest round he's drafted a rb in. then he turned around and traded him after back to back 1500+ yard seasons. there's a lot to read between the lines there.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 16, 2010 9:38 AM

Yeah...like Portis was tryna get paid and Shanny wasn't trna pay him. Same as the current Chris Johnson situation.....

Talking about mischaracterization of a situation....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

It's shaping up to be one of those days...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

4th&1, its called multi-tasking...I'm sure you've done it before...flipping burgers, and making fries at the same time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

How many of my posts have you seen during working hrs?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse
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Sounds like someone is jealous their IT department blocked them.

Anyway, most of us who have been here awhile apparently get our work done regardless of posting habits.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 16, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

'Portis, however, is in top shape and highly motivated.'

I'd be motivated to muck horse stalls for a living if I was drawing his paycheck. Just put some damn points on the board this year, will ya?

Posted by: ericenderle | July 16, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

RedD, it all starts with an Earthquake... all downhill from there..

Too much!!!! what does it MEEEAAANNNN??

Leigh Torrence. Maps. Suchas.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm intrigued by Torain if he can stay healthy. I could see him having a big preseason and getting all the Marcus Mason fans up here all in a tizzy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:21 AM

Every time I hear a soundbite regarding the RB situation from players, Torain's name keeps coming up. Lorenzo mentioned his name yesterday in an interview. Torain;s has the speed, vision, and youth this team needs. He just has to stay healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Torain could be a real steal for us. He won the starting RB job in Denver in Shannahan's last year until he got hurt. He got cut the next year by McDaniel.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I can't wait for week 1.

It's going to be fun at FedEx, with my dad, iH8newyork.He has a serious disdain for the Giants.

my 28-17 prediction still stands.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Torain could be a real steal for us. He won the starting RB job in Denver in Shannahan's last year until he got hurt. He got cut the next year by McDaniel.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


Move over Cult of Colt. Time to make room for the Torain Train!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Riddle me this. Do you have anything else to do in life other than posting on this blog?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | July 16, 2010 9:49 AM


Between the hours of 9am and 12pm? No.

I have a job that keeps me busy from 5 am to 9 am and yet completely bored the rest of my shift. So count on seeing me here most Mondays thru Fridays 5 am to 12 pm.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Torain could be a real steal for us. He won the starting RB job in Denver in Shannahan's last year until he got hurt. He got cut the next year by McDaniel.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


Move over Cult of Colt. Time to make room for the Torain Train!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Torain could be a real steal for us. He won the starting RB job in Denver in Shannahan's last year until he got hurt. He got cut the next year by McDaniel.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 16, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


Move over Cult of Colt. Time to make room for the Torain Train!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I usually only post between 9am and 5pm, until the fall semester starts back up.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Red, I made a passing reference about Mason and you took it as the subject of the post. Are we supposed to never speak his name again just because it was a hot button topic here for a while?

4th and 1, who are you to tell people what they can/can't do at work? Seems to me you're doing the same thing, so what's your point?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What makes you more of a loser?:
a)Posting while bored at work
b)Posting while at home on a beautiful day

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Well said, ih8...I'm sure most of us up here are underpaid so time stealing is only appropriate...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Well said, ih8...I'm sure most of us up here are underpaid so time stealing is only appropriate...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Huge co-sign

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It's not stealing time if you're working at the same time.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

And who started the whole Wonderlic thing? I mean, really people...WTF difference does it make what McNabb got on his Wonderlic in 1999 if he's now AN 11 YEAR VETERAN AND 6 TIME PRO BOWLER??? I'd like to think his 216 TDs and 32,873 passing yards would count for a bit more than what shakes out to a brain teasers quiz over a decade ago...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

LOL. I think we should cut DMN. He only scored a 14 on his Wonderlic. I scored a 50, so let me play QB.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 16, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Right fritz...if Wonderlic were the end-all-be-all, then Ryan Fitzpatrick would be the best QB in the league...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Undrafted dudes and late round picks routinely flourish in that system.

I fail to see why it's baseless to think that Torain (a guy Shanahan was high on when both were in Denver, by the way) would do well here.

So why don't you actually state a position on the topic, instead of just lobbing grenades onto the blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:42 AM

You want an opinion? Here's four of them.

1. You should rely on the judgement of professionals who have actually seen these men on the field, not shoot from the hip. For you to think that you know better is the mark of an idiot.

2. If anyone can get 1000 yards in the system, then so can the guys who are already on the roster and we don't need to bring in anyone else.

3. You and RedSkinHead are having a circle jerk.

4. Agree that most of us here are underpaid. But most is not all, and you are overpaid.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 16, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

lxy32,
I think you misunderstood. No one wants your opinion. Go drive-by another blog, please.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

lxy, nobody up here is a pro and I have yet to hear someone say they know better than pros (other than Vinny...who probably doesn't count as a pro anyway). We're fans who like to talk Redskins. That means speculation, wishful thinking, and other opinions not based in fact. That's what we do.

My advice to you would be to avoid the comments section of the blog altogether if you have issues with things rooted in concepts outside of concrete facts.

And maybe don't take yourself so seriously. Lighten up Sandy baby!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What makes you more of a loser?:
a)Posting while bored at work
b)Posting while at home on a beautiful day

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:45 AM


I am falling into the A category right now. B is more the loser lifestyle no doubt. This is the first string I have read in like 2 weeks and whoever the dudes on here last night were are losers no matter what time of day or the situation.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 16, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I think WaPo or advertisers are putting trolls in to keep us browsing.

...you'd think purient content would be enough.. works for PFT....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Damn, I can't wait for week 1.

It's going to be fun at FedEx, with my dad, iH8newyork.He has a serious disdain for the Giants.

my 28-17 prediction still stands.

Posted by: iH8dallas
Don't we play Dallas week 1?

Posted by: richardgovea | July 16, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

rite?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

dead. "D" "E" "D" dead.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

So why don't you actually state a position on the topic, instead of just lobbing grenades onto the blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 8:42 AM

No one wants your opinion. Go drive-by another blog, please.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 11:27 AM |

First Mutt asks my opinion and then Jeff tells me to shut up. So, yeah, I guess I did interrupt a circle jerk. I'll let you two get back to the business at hand.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 16, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"shanahan drafted portis in the second round, which is the highest round he's drafted a rb in. then he turned around and traded him after back to back 1500+ yard seasons. there's a lot to read between the lines there."

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 16, 2010 9:38 AM

"Yeah...like Portis was tryna get paid and Shanny wasn't trna pay him. Same as the current Chris Johnson situation.....Talking about mischaracterization of a situation...."

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse


I also remember reading somewhere that Shanahan was less than enchanted with Portis' fascination with the Denver night life, at the expense of things football-related. So the money was definitely an issue, but I don't think that it was the only one.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 16, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't we play Dallas week 1?

Posted by: richardgovea | July 16, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes we do Richard. I just threw in the comment about my dad hating New York.

I'm very aware of who we play week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

brownwood

"So count on seeing me here most Mondays thru Fridays 5 am to 12 pm."


An Open Letter From the Head Blog Hogg:

There is some character here admonishing folks about the amount of time they spend in this forum.

You must remind this 'individual' that you have a right to spend your time in any manner you want.

And so, if you want ot spend your free or paid for time blogging on a computer, that's you option.

And if someone wants to be a whining fish wife and complain about what you do with your time, let them.

But no real man let's some unseen clown tell him how to spend his time.

Don't feel guilty about expressing yourself in this forum during your waking hours.

Unless, of course, you work for me.

Do what you feel, fellas, and remember that because trolls live under a bridge, you don't have to see them unless you want to.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Seriously lxy, what's your deal? Did I bang your wife or something? If you don't like the comments section then--I don't know---don't hang out at the comments section. It's really not a difficult concept...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Well said Moe...just giving the clown a window to avoid me if my comments are so "offensive"...I'm starting to think hessone started up a couple other handles today just to screw with me, but whateves. I'm almost off the clock anyway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Seriously lxy, what's your deal? Did I bang your wife or something? If you don't like the comments section then--I don't know---don't hang out at the comments section. It's really not a difficult concept...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 12:04 PM

My impression is that the only thing you've been banging is RedSkinHead's hand. Aside from your own hand, that is.

Hey, this works both ways. If you don't like my comments then just don't read them? Is that hard for you to understand? You keep lapping them up and responding to them like you need the attention or something.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 16, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Never post here but like to occasionally stop by to catch up on what skins news I may have missed, or added insight that the "insider" never provides. Having to sort through all the bs on here really blows...

Posted by: PlayAction | July 16, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Red, I made a passing reference about Mason and you took it as the subject of the post. Are we supposed to never speak his name again just because it was a hot button topic here for a while?

Posted by: brownwood26


Judging how some people like to get pissy about the same names being drummed over and over, I would say 'yes'.

I'm sayin', why stop at Mason? Let's bring up all the names from yesteryear. Hell, I'll start it:


Deion Sanders
Mark Carrier
Bruce Smith
Trung
McCants
Pierce
Jessie Armstead
Trotter
Campbell
Rod Gardner
Brandon Lloyd
Lemar Marshall
Demetric Evans
Archuleta
Randle El


...............

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

My impression is that the only thing you've been banging is RedSkinHead's hand. Aside from your own hand, that is.

Hey, this works both ways. If you don't like my comments then just don't read them? Is that hard for you to understand? You keep lapping them up and responding to them like you need the attention or something.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 16, 2010 12:12 PM
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Are you jealous? Sounds like you have repressed homosexual tendencies that you need to address the way you keep fantasizing about wanking. Not that there's anything wrong with the tendencies, but man, don't project them on me. Check the yellow pages. I am sure there is some hot line out there that can help you work out your problem.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes we do Richard. I just threw in the comment about my dad hating New York.

I'm very aware of who we play week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas
My bad I just wanted to make sure I was like dam I was wrong this whole time

Posted by: richardgovea | July 16, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Funny how perception works. Most mocked JC for his leadership abilities in DC, but in Oakland they've embraced it so far.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=5385390

Starting in all 16 games for the Washington Redskins, in his fifth NFL season, Campbell completed a career-best 64.5 percent of his pass attempts (327-of-507), and the one-time first-round pick (in 2005) also notched career zeniths in yards (3,618) and touchdown passes (20).

So not too bad, right?

Well, for the Oakland Raiders, such otherwise modest passing numbers are deemed downright astronomical.

Not since 2002, when Rich Gannon connected on 67.6 percent of his attempts, have the Raiders employed a starting quarterback with a completion mark in excess of 60 percent. The last time an Oakland quarterback threw 20 or more touchdown passes was in 2005, when Kerry Collins recorded 25. And the Raiders have gone four straight seasons without as many aggregate passing yards as a team as Campbell rang up individually in '09.

So for the Raiders, who ranked No. 29 or lower in the league in passing offense each of the past four seasons, and were last or next-to-last from 2006 to 2008, Campbell represents a dramatic upgrade at the game's most critical position.

"He's brought stability, and leadership, and professionalism," assessed fourth-year tight end Zach Miller, the club's leading receiver in 2009, of Campbell's arrival.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It's all good richard.

what does upset me though, is that apparently there is a circle jerk going on, and I wasn't invited.

That's fine. See if anybody gets an invitation to my circle jerk!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

playaction

"Having to sort through all the bs on here really blows..."

Anyone looking for 'real' redskin football news in an open sports forum in the middle of July is like a guy hoping to find a virgin wife in a brothel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone looking for 'real' redskin football news in an open sports forum in the middle of July is like a guy hoping to find a virgin wife in a brothel.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 1:02 PM

good one...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 16, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I thought some of these guys would get some looks from NFL teams during training camp.

Shawn Andrews, Charles Grant, others land in Omaha
Posted by Mike Florio on July 16, 2010 1:04 PM ET

To date, former Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell has not yet reciprocated the interest of the UFL's Omaha Nighthawks.

But other former NFL players have. Plenty of them.

The Nighthawks have posted at their website an impressive roster of fallen stars who still may have some football left in them.

The list includes, among others, former Eagles guard Shawn Andrews, former Saints defensive end Charles Grant, former Cardinals defensive tackle Wendell Bryant, former Steelers and Panthers cornerback Ricardo Colclough, former Raiders receiver Ronald Curry, former Raiders running back Justin Fargas, former Packers and Vikings receiver Robert Ferguson, former Seahawks, Packers, and Texans running back Ahman Green, former first-round quarterback Patrick Ramsey, and former Raiders quarterback Andrew Walter.

Earlier this week, the Nighthawks apparently jumped the gun, posting various names on their roster before the players actually had agreed to terms. We're in the process of confirming that the current roster is indeed legit, and not a mistake.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Well, for the Oakland Raiders, such otherwise modest passing numbers are deemed downright astronomical."


I think there might come a season real soon where redskins fans regret the team not re-signing JC.

Oakland and the AFC (SOFT) West is the perfect place for a guy like him to showcase his skills set for a quarterback hungry franchise.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

If by "virgin wife" you mean one that wasn't married before - a brothel is prolly a good place to start.

jibba jabba rules. bite it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone looking for 'real' redskin football news in an open sports forum in the middle of July is like a guy hoping to find a virgin wife in a brothel.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 1:02 PM

You're right, just getting up to speed for training camp, guess I'll just embrace the circle jerks until then...

Posted by: PlayAction | July 16, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 1:13 PM

Wait for the season to start.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but our friends out on the Left Coast are in for some severe disappointment. Dude always manages to play down below the level of his competition, and consistently finishes up 2nd in a two-man race. In short, L O S E R.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Ron Burgundy: Thanks for watching Channel 4 News. You stay classy, San Diego. I'm Ron Burgundy?

Ed Harken: Damn it, who typed a question mark on the teleprompter? For the last time, anything you type, Burgundy will read!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Anyway, most of us who have been here awhile apparently get our work done regardless of posting habits.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

and think they own the board

brownwood = career poster

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

MILK WAS A BAD CHOICE!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 16, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Brian Fantana: I mean come on, Ed, it's bullcrap! Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong in the newsroom!

Champ Kind: It is anchorman, not anchorlady! And that is a scientific fact!

Brick Tamland: I don't know what we're yelling about!

Brian Fantana: You're with us, Ron, what do you think?

Ron Burgundy: Sh*t! Sh-- it's terrible! She has beautiful eyes, and her hair smells like cinnamon!

Brian Fantana: Mm-hmm!

Brick Tamland: Loud noises!

Ed Harken: Look, she's not gonna take anyone's air time, okay?

Brick Tamland: [voice quavering] I heard somewhere their periods attract bears. The bears can smell the menstruation!

Brian Fantana: [somberly] You hear that, Ed? Bears. Now you're putting the whole station in jeopardy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Today you posted:
4th and 1, who are you to tell people what they can/can't do at work?

Yesterday you posted:
If you posted more stuff like your remarks to Greg at 8:50, you'd be good.

Sorry to break the news to you brown, but you're sounding like the RI police.

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell stinks.

I will never regret trading him to Oakland!

EVEN IF THERE'S A FIRE!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you get your clothes... from the... toilet store?

Posted by: PlayAction | July 16, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think Grandma's Boy is one of the funniest movies ever.

"We don't have any alcohol, but we do have shots.....of wheat grass."

"Ugh, if you wanna be sober and vomit."

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to break the news to you brown, but you're sounding like the RI police.


Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 2:06 PM

Damn the RI police are getting more recuits...say it isn't so...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 16, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at this Domenik Hixon story on NFLN...I really hope the Skins get him off waivers and stash him on IR. I'd feel 100% better about the WR spot in 2011 if we've got him here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 9:32 AM

Not sure if it's worth it, mostly due to the CBA situation. Since Hixon is going to be a free agent next year, the Skins would have to extend his contract in order to guarantee that he'd be a Redskin in the future. Teams (including the Skins) have been reluctant to sign those kind of deals this year. The owners are clearly pushing for a labor situation that is much more in their favor, and believe it is in their best interest to wait until the new CBA is in place to make any long term deals. Plus, there is the possibility of a lockout next season. I don't think it makes sense to bring in a guy and pay him this year when you know he wont play until next year or possibly even the year after. Since he will be a free agent anyway, why not wait untill next year and sign him then, without having to pay him for not playing now?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 16, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"We don't have any alcohol, but we do have shots.....of wheat grass."

"Ugh, if you wanna be sober and vomit."

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:13 PM

or if you want to live long....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 16, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What makes you more of a loser?:
a)Posting while bored at work
b)Posting while at home on a beautiful day

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:45 AM |

I pick

c) calling other people losers for posting on a blog while posting on said blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

) calling other people losers for posting on a blog while posting on said blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:21 PM

nicely done....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 16, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

What makes you more of a loser?:
a)Posting while bored at work
b)Posting while at home on a beautiful day

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:45 AM |

I pick

c) calling other people losers for posting on a blog while posting on said blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

This, coming from the guy that routinely posts at 3AM

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


@ scampbell1975

I think they're talking about folks that post the most. Free country you know. Free to post whatever, whenever.

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Well, for the Oakland Raiders, such otherwise modest passing numbers are deemed downright astronomical."


I think there might come a season real soon where redskins fans regret the team not re-signing JC.

Oakland and the AFC (SOFT) West is the perfect place for a guy like him to showcase his skills set for a quarterback hungry franchise.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 1:14 PM
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Gotta disagree. Bad teams are bad for a reason and JC is going to a bad team. I mean, you've got a geriatric crack user for an owner, a head coach that slugs his assistants, a receiving corps that will have him longing for the mediocre Washington receiving corps that he left behind, and the offensive line is exceptionally porous. I'm thinking JC won't hold up for another full season taking a pounding like he got last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This, coming from the guy that routinely posts at 3AM

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:26 PM

yeh..whats with that?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Last week we put liquid paper on a Bee... and it, died...

Hey, fu_kers! Welcome to the neighborhood! My name is Craig. If you guys need any fertilizer, I've got a lot of it; Close to 80 tons.... Hey, Derek! Sprechen Sie Dick?


Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What makes you more of a loser?:
a)Posting while bored at work
b)Posting while at home on a beautiful day

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 10:45 AM |

I pick

c) calling other people losers for posting on a blog while posting on said blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

This, coming from the guy that routinely posts at 3AM

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:26 PM |

Huh? That makes no sense. I said that calling others a loser for posting on a blog while you yourself are posting on that blog makes you a loser. What does time have to do with it. And oh, by the way, I'm on the West Coast so it ain't 3 am here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@ scampbell1975

I think they're talking about folks that post the most. Free country you know. Free to post whatever, whenever.

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 2:29 PM |

So they're calling people losers for posting while they are posting? I see that the irony of that is completely lost on them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Huh? That makes no sense. I said that calling others a loser for posting on a blog while you yourself are posting on that blog makes you a loser. What does time have to do with it. And oh, by the way, I'm on the West Coast so it ain't 3 am here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

You don't make any sense either.

Why are you bothering me?

Were you offended by my comment, because you are sitting on your couch with your laptop right now?

Then you thought, "Hey, that's me....WTF."

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to feel like a loser for reading all of this...but I can't look away...

Posted by: PlayAction | July 16, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Brennan: Where did he go to medical school?

Nancy: He went to Northwestern and Johns Hopkins, is that good enough for you?

Brennan: No, it’s not.

Nancy: Well, Brennan, those are very prestigious schools.

Brennan: I smoked pot with Johnny Hopkins.

Nancy: You don't know anybody named Johnny Hopkins.

Brennan: It was Johnny Hopkins and Sloan Kettering. And they were blazing that sh*t up every day.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Nancy: You yelled "rape" at the top of your lungs.

Brennan: Mom, I honestly thought I was gonna be raped for a second. He had the craziest look in his eyes. And at one point he said, "Lets get it on."

Dale:That was about the fighting. I am so not a raper!

Brennan: Look, I didn't touch your drum set, okay?

Dale: I witnessed with my eyes your testicles touching my drum set.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree. Bad teams are bad for a reason and JC is going to a bad team. I mean, you've got a geriatric crack user for an owner, a head coach that slugs his assistants, a receiving corps that will have him longing for the mediocre Washington receiving corps that he left behind, and the offensive line is exceptionally porous. I'm thinking JC won't hold up for another full season taking a pounding like he got last year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse
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I've said this before, but the crack user owners team won 5 games with a guy who had his plays mapped to combo meal numbers.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 16, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Dale: You're right about your brother.... Total dick.

Brennan: Told you. You know what? I still hate you, but you've got a pretty awesome collection of nudie mags.

Dale: Yeah, I got them from the '70's, '80's and '90's. It's like masturbating in a time machine.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

MoFo's need to get a life, LMAO!!! Life, "the sh*t that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come...."

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Why are you bothering me?

Were you offended by my comment, because you are sitting on your couch with your laptop right now?

Then you thought, "Hey, that's me....WTF."

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 2:38 PM |

I thought you were making fun of someone for making fun of people for posting on a blog. Didn't realize you were the tool making fun of people for posting while posting.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were making fun of someone for making fun of people for posting on a blog. Didn't realize you were the tool making fun of people for posting while posting.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse
Shut up, nobody likes you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh its refreshing to tune in to the blog and see everything is par for the course.

For future insults, please refer to the dialogue below....

Ricky: With all due respect, Mr. Dennit, I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.

Mr. Dennit: What did you just say to me?

Ricky: What? I said it with all due respect!

Mr. Dennit: Just because you say that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to say to me!

Ricky: It sure as hell does!

Mr. Dennit: No, it doesn't--

Ricky: It's in the Geneva Conventions, look it up!

So the below should be:

With all due respect, Shut up, nobody likes you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were making fun of someone for making fun of people for posting on a blog. Didn't realize you were the tool making fun of people for posting while posting.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse
Shut up, nobody likes you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:00 PM |

Whatever dude. You're a tool and no one disagrees. I'm gonna head back to life now while you do what you call others morons for. Ironical retard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"He's brought stability, and leadership, and professionalism," assessed fourth-year tight end Zach Miller, the club's leading receiver in 2009, of Campbell's arrival.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 1:00 PM

No mention of accuracy or ability to read a defense, but yeah we luv JC!!

Goes back to my chant from last year:

Go JC! (and take Zorn with you!)

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 16, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse


@ iH8dallas

How old are you my man!

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Will the UFL become our only (professional) football to watch come next season?

Is it like going to a strip club(sticking with Moe's setting) expecting to see an "A" list stripper and then having to settle for the preggo stripper?

We can all watch the rebirth of Patrick Ramsey playing for Omaha...

Speaking of Omaha, I thought it was a fictional place that only produces steaks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh Don Banks, with all due respect you can lick my scrotum.

See #9

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/07/15/20.nfl.camp.questions/1.html

Putting us on last place.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Marx said "Religion is the opium of the masses"..That's right and reality is the opium of the masses, hell, reality is the opium of God...What do you think God is doing here????

July is for the Circle Jerks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1KA5GXUGM

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

hess, if you wanna discuss your obsession with me off the blog hit me up at brownwood26@yahoo.com. Maybe talking out this issue will help you deal with it in a more constructive way...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

can someone post the body of what davis/kelly said...much appreciate....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Whatever dude. You're a tool and no one disagrees. I'm gonna head back to life now while you do what you call others morons for. Ironical retard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

When you say life, do you mean sitting on your couch, eating hotpockets, waiting to have pi$$ing contests on the internet.

I'm waiting until 5o'clock so I can leave work.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

When Fred Davis showed up in the Wizards' video welcoming John Wall to DC, I was a little surprised to think of the third-year tight end as an elder statesman of the D.C. sports scene. And I'm not the only one. Fan emails regularly refer to Davis, and fellow 2008 second-round draft choices Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas, by youth-based epithets like "the young receivers".

It's not just me and the fans. During the last mini-camp, someone from the local media asked new head coach Mike Shanahan about "the youngsters" at the receiver position, and Shanahan was overtly surprised at the description. "Well, 'youngsters,'" he said, nonplussed, " I think of youngsters as rookies. These are old veterans."

The coach is right. This is their third year, generally thought of as the year when wide receivers establish themselves as pro players -- if they're ever going to. And, amidst suggestions that the Redskins lack under-25 talent, these three 24 year-olds are likely to going to have to be contributors on the field for the team to establish a new offensive attack.

Fortunately, while it's taken some time for those of us who don't play the game to get used to the idea of Fred Davis, grizzled veteran, the players themselves know that they're going to be expected to perform like NFL veterans.

"I mean, shoot," Kelly told me, "we HAVE to."

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

He continued, "Even though it's a new offense, I have to take responsibility to know exactly what I'm doing so I can go out and play at a high level. I mean, it's crazy to think about, but, yeah, we're veterans now."

Davis, best known in his rookie camp for oversleeping an alarm clock, knows that expectations are exponentially higher for him now -- even from himself. "You see yourself a lot differently," he said. "I think by your third year you kinda HAVE to. All that rookie stuff is done with."

It's taken Kelly a little bit of time this offseason to find his groove in the new offense -- "At first it was running together a little bit," he said -- but as of the final mini-camp he claimed that things were falling into place and "it's all becoming a lot easier."

Which is good, Davis said, because there's no longer any margin for error if these guys want to be considered viable NFL starters. "You been in the league for two years," Davis said, meaning not just Kelly, but himself and third-year players leaguewide, "if you're not doing by your third year, I don't think you're really gonna be a great player. I mean, if you wanna be a great player, I think the third year kinda shows where you're at mentally and where you're at physically as a player. Me? I feel like I'm good."

And, Kelly is quick to point out, being considered a veteran doesn't mean that the learning is done. "I still look up to Santana [Moss], Joey [Galloway], those guys like that to lead me," he said, "So I'm maybe helping the rookies out a little bit, but still following behind all those other guys."

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Vince Lombardi ranks us in what he calls "red chips", or playoff contenders for the NFC.

He says NO and GB are title contenders, and we are grouped in with Dallas, NY, Minn.

We seem to be a bit of a mystery to the "experts".

I say 11-5, NFC East Champs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis:

I think the third year kinda shows where you're at mentally and where you're at physically as a player. Me? I feel like I'm good."

________________________________________________

Reads to me like a player who knows (not thinks) he can compete at a consistent level in the NFL.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

thanks g/s....

good stuff...sounds positive...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I say 11-5, NFC East Champs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ahh the Super Secret Formula.

In all reality iH8, 8-8 or 9-7 record would be a successful season in my eyes.

Shanahan ideally would have us in double digit wins for the 2nd season.

However if your prediction holds water, I would be a happy man.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 16, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And I meant Micheal Lombardi, not vince

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

And I meant Micheal Lombardi, not vince

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:55 PM

He-he, I bet Vince would be onboard too.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 16, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Skins might be the SHOCK...A decent head coach and management and a fire under they a** might be the IT..I can't see them carrying FOUR former all-pro fogeys at RB, though, somebody's got to play SPECIAL TEAMS!!

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The SSFFF worked for Miami and Atlanta a couple of years ago.

Don't doubt the power of the SSFFF.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Skins might be the SHOCK...A decent head coach and management and a fire under they a** might be the IT..I can't see them carrying FOUR former all-pro fogeys at RB, though, somebody's got to play SPECIAL TEAMS!!

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 4:01 PM

Plenty o' bodies to play teams, no worries your frakness.

It'll be 3 fogeys at RB, once Westy signs (some doosh named stevek says he will sign next Friday), Willie P is history.

S'long as they don't need said fogeys to be every down material, we good.

Check the SSFFF, you'll see.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 16, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Steve and I drive the Optimism 2010 Bus.

Pouring kool-aid all over the place.

Unfortunately hessone doesn't have a ticket.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Steve and I drive the Optimism 2010 Bus.

Pouring kool-aid all over the place.

Unfortunately hessone doesn't have a ticket.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 4:22 PM

I don't know, seems like he's warming up to the idea...yo Hess, we'll save you a seat man.

You don't have to be a charter member, just get on the friggin bus!! If it's week 8, you might have to hang on the bumper.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 16, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Not sure where I missed this, but what is SSFFF?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

why want redskins take a look at shawn andrews

Posted by: robertg238 | July 16, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Andrews would make perfect at rg leaving hicts to back rt and og

Posted by: robertg238 | July 16, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Andrews would make perfect sense at rg leaving hicks to back ot and og if he is healthy

Posted by: robertg238 | July 16, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"You don't have to be a charter member, just get on the friggin bus!! If it's week 8, you might have to hang on the bumper.

Posted by: stevek20147 "

Just so long as I can sneak my sh*t passed security, I'm in..

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

When you say life, do you mean sitting on your couch, eating hotpockets, waiting to have pi$$ing contests on the internet.

I'm waiting until 5o'clock so I can leave work.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:42 PM |

Well, what I mean is, since I work for myself, I'm going to take the afternoon and go ball your girl while you work your pathetic little 9-5 gig. Someone needs to make up for your shortcomings and your girl likes it dirty. I'll hit your Mom up after cuz she says the same thing about your Dad as your girl says about you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

You just can't take a joke, can you brown. My hope is you can join along some day and laugh with me. Anyhow, I guess you didn't find being the RI police was funny. Heck, the only GM worse than ole hess here is Cerrato. LMAO

C'mon my man, lighten up!

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse


Happy Friday RI World!

BOYCOTT WORK FOR 2 DAYS!!!
BOYCOTT WORK FOR 2 DAYS!!!
BOYCOTT WORK FOR 2 DAYS!!!
BOYCOTT WORK FOR 2 DAYS!!!
BOYCOTT WORK FOR 2 DAYS!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 16, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

MASN announcers are talking uncritically about trading Dunn to the Yankees, fer crisesake..What, are we the freakin' Orioles??? WE HATE DEANGELOS'S ORIOLES, THAT'S WHY WE GOT A NEW FRANCHISE!!! DEANGELOS SUCKS!!!! Strasburg cant win with just one earned run on him , and they want to unload the most potent offensive weapon on the team on a drought-ridden, desolate savannah of no-runs-produced Nats team to the Damn Yankees??? Remember , their buying of championships ( and a owner chickensh*t of playing in blackest DC at RFK) are what drove the Senators out of town- now, the Nats are just another farm club..They'll be moving to New Orleans or Vegas before long, at this rate...

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

bum.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | July 16, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

carbon-farting d*ck Post flunky tool of the Apocalypse..I boycotted the All-Star game to help save your Globalist-inflicted impoverished peeps, that Arizona owner bigot..*burp*..

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton Portis, in shape and motivated, will enter camp determined."

By Jason Reid | July 15, 2010; 1:57 PM ET

Just like every other man on the 80 man roster hoping to make it to the final 53. Does this imply that until now he wasn't.

I know it's July, but step up your game..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 16, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em , Riggo...Not like the crowd that Arizona owner hangs with ain't gonna use undocumented immigrant labor for pickin' their fancy-a** wine and sh*t...They do make a convenient political scapegoat ,though, like the fake "War On Drugs" (Prohibition MADE Capone, Bugsy and Da Mob, to this day...)..U.S. Government is just a prop that Corporates on the take hide behind to give the criminals the "appearance" of decency, 'cuz all the Gangstas want the "appearance" of decency....(JP Morgan and Goldman-Sachs exempted, mind you)...

Posted by: frak | July 16, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

"MASN announcers are talking uncritically about trading Dunn to the Yankees, fer crisesake..What, are we the freakin' Orioles???"

Our farm system is barren, and by the time the Nats are ready to seriously contend, Dunn will be over the hill. He's one of the handfull of players who make the team watchable (along with Willingham, Zim, Strasburg, Storen, Clippard and Capps) and I love him, but if we can get two or three top-knotch prospects for him, I say pull the trigger.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 16, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

When you say life, do you mean sitting on your couch, eating hotpockets, waiting to have pi$$ing contests on the internet.

I'm waiting until 5o'clock so I can leave work.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 3:42 PM |

Well, what I mean is, since I work for myself, I'm going to take the afternoon and go ball your girl while you work your pathetic little 9-5 gig. Someone needs to make up for your shortcomings and your girl likes it dirty. I'll hit your Mom up after cuz she says the same thing about your Dad as your girl says about you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

When you say work for yourself, do you mean cutting yards because you're a convicted felon and can't get a real job?

That's a much more likely scenario than you "balling" my girl and mom while I'm at work.

Everyone believes that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

When you say work for yourself, do you mean cutting yards because you're a convicted felon and can't get a real job?

That's a much more likely scenario than you "balling" my girl and mom while I'm at work.

Everyone believes that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:05 PM |

That's exactly what I mean, and yet still ballin' your girl. What does that say about you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

When you say work for yourself, do you mean cutting yards because you're a convicted felon and can't get a real job?

That's a much more likely scenario than you "balling" my girl and mom while I'm at work.

Everyone believes that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:05 PM |

That's exactly what I mean, and yet still ballin' your girl. What does that say about you?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Look scamp, whatever dude. I'm tired of having this immature little war of words with you. Can we both simply come to the conclusion that we're both d-bags and leave it at that?

Squash this thing?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Look scamp, whatever dude. I'm tired of having this immature little war of words with you. Can we both simply come to the conclusion that we're both d-bags and leave it at that?

Squash this thing?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:17 PM |

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Look scamp, whatever dude. I'm tired of having this immature little war of words with you. Can we both simply come to the conclusion that we're both d-bags and leave it at that?

Squash this thing?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:17 PM |

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse
Cool. Fist bump

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"I'm starting to feel like a loser for reading all of this...but I can't look away..."

I'd say reading through posts in this blog is like walking into your parent's bedroom, taking a chair, and deliberately deciding to watch them have sex.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Cool. Fist bump

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:25 PM |

I hate Dallas too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'm starting to feel like a loser for reading all of this...but I can't look away..."

I'd say reading through posts in this blog is like walking into your parent's bedroom, taking a chair, and deliberately deciding to watch them have sex.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2010 11:28 PM

We do need a new thread. This one has grown stale and painful...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I hate Dallas too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

We all have common ground.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I almost wish DeAngelo would say something stupid so we could have another CR22 vs. DH23 debate....anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Johnny "F'in" Cash

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 16, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

ool. Fist bump

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2010 11:25 PM |

I hate Dallas too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 16, 2010 11:28 PM |

Get a room.

Posted by: mack1 | July 16, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Get a room.

Posted by: mack1 | July 16, 2010 11:57 PM

Don't you f'in' start too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 17, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not judging scamp. It ain't my thing but I fully support you and iH8dallas in whatever direction your new relationship takes.
Goodnight.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

So glad that's settled ....

Thought I was readin the lost boys or something....

Glad we all agree that were stale old d bags who blazeee....

K not everyone blazes....... ;)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 17, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm not judging scamp. It ain't my thing but I fully support you and iH8dallas in whatever direction your new relationship takes.
Goodnight.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 12:38 AM |

Glad we have your blessing. Phuker.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 17, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

So glad that's settled ....

Thought I was readin the lost boys or something....

Glad we all agree that were stale old d bags who blazeee....

K not everyone blazes....... ;)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 17, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

LOL

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

Posted by: Wittan | July 17, 2010 4:37 AM | Report abuse


I don't know, seems like he's warming up to the idea...yo Hess, we'll save you a seat man.

Thanks!
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@iH8dallas

Dude, are you 10 years old? You couldn't be an adult.
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@brownwood26

Have you taken your happy pills this morning? Have a wonderful day.
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@scampbell1975

Did you make up with your man skinshaveaGM yet?
I think he's ready for you to forgive him.
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@MistaMoe

Whatching your parents having sex? You better pass me that joint my friend!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse


I don't know, seems like he's warming up to the idea...yo Hess, we'll save you a seat man.

Thanks!
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@iH8dallas

Dude, are you 10 years old? You couldn't be an adult.
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@brownwood26

Have you taken your happy pills this morning? Have a wonderful day.
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@scampbell1975

Did you make up with your man skinshaveaGM yet?
I think he's ready for you to forgive him.
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@MistaMoe

Whatching your parents having sex? You better pass me that joint my friend!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse


Can the post incorporate software that blocks the infamous double post? Or should hess take computers 101? JUST SAYIN'

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

i wrote a short post about this on my 'skins blog. there's a cool high-res photo of CP as well...

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/816098353/portis-losing-weight

Posted by: bcarothers | July 17, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

"I almost wish DeAngelo would say something stupid so we could have another CR22 vs. DH23 debate..."

Select the redskin corner who will have a 'step up' season due to the changes in the changes in the defensive scheme:

a.) Kevin Barnes

b.) Carlos Rogers

c.) Philip Buchanon

d.) DeAngelo Hall

e.) Justin Tyron

Moe rolls with 'b' Carlos Rogers as he stands as the one corner passing offenses will choose to 'go after' fearing D Hall.

We'd like to see Prez Buchanon returning punts and K Barnes getting some on field time against big receivers.

And as for Justin, well, he's the one draftee from the Class of '08 who's stepped up his game already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse


MistaMoe

f) None of the above

You knew that was coming, didn't you Moe? Carlos will never be any better than his last play. You've got to go with 'd', as he has been working on his tackling technique. We'll take any improvement from the collective class of '08 though. Keep all draft picks please, and trade dead weight for more picks!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

I'm hoping that Kevin Barnes steps up and shows that he's true NFL material, otherwise he's a waste of a third round pick. I do like Tyron against the smaller speedy WRs, but it is understanably a challenge for him to cover the big guys.

I expect we'll get more of the same from Hall and Rogers.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I guess that Larry Johnson is too busy playing video games to complete the community service he was given by the K.C. court in lieu of jail time (see article in todays K.C. star paper). He will not make your team, he refuses to block, and Mike S. will not put up with his crying. Skins should not have attempted to rehab this pathetic loser. Chiefs fan in K.C.

Posted by: garylindemann | July 17, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I guess that Larry Johnson is too busy playing video games to complete the community service he was given by the K.C. court in lieu of jail time (see article in todays K.C. star paper). He will not make your team, he refuses to block, and Mike S. will not put up with his crying. Skins should not have attempted to rehab this pathetic loser. Chiefs fan in K.C.

Posted by: garylindemann | July 17, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


@garylindemann

Thanks for the heads up, and good luck to your Chiefs. I felt the Skins shouldn't had signed this guy either, but I think Shanahan's thinking he'll create competition at that position in training camp.

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I guess that Larry Johnson is too busy playing video games to complete the community service he was given by the K.C. court in lieu of jail time (see article in todays K.C. star paper). He will not make your team, he refuses to block, and Mike S. will not put up with his crying. Skins should not have attempted to rehab this pathetic loser. Chiefs fan in K.C.

Posted by: garylindemann | July 17, 2010 10:31 AM

LJ has done but work hard this offseason, and by many accounts is destined to win the #1 RB competition sometime during the season. He also has towed "the company line" by being present for the OTAs and minicamps. I wish LJ the best because ot only makes the Skins a deeper team.

Posted by: TWISI | July 17, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think Larry Johnson being on the roster depends on Brian Westbrook not being signed. If Westbrook becomes a Redskin, then I fully expect that our RBs will be Portis, Westbrook, and Torain. I think that unless he flops big time in the pre-season, Torain will make the team. He's the only young RB with long term future potential that we have, and also the the only RB that would likely play special teams.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Dead or alive, Albert will be a Skins this year! Based on recent interview with Shanahan on NFL Access, Shanahan seems willing to welcome Albert back into camp provided he is in shape,and accept to do everything required of him on defense.

Posted by: abxinc | July 17, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I always had my doubts about LJ as a person, but reading about all of the conditions of his probation that he's bagged out on makes me realize just how much of a deuchbag he is. PLEASE redskins, sign Westbrook so we can throw LJ to the trash heap were he belongs.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

fwiw, Frank Hanrahan this morning on 106.7: gold pants for the home games this year, no white-on-white crime, and no he's not making it up.

Also talked to the reporter from Fredricksburg that interviewed AH's trainer. Dude is not optimistic about our chances, thinks McNabb will have trouble learning a new offense and defense will be worse for the switch to 3-4. 7-9 was best case scenario.

Here's me disagreeing with that, but it will be interesting to see how fast the 5 car gets going. Also more blitzes=more turnovers=better D, I don't care what the overall yardage says.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think Larry Johnson being on the roster depends on Brian Westbrook not being signed. If Westbrook becomes a Redskin, then I fully expect that our RBs will be Portis, Westbrook, and Torain. I think that unless he flops big time in the pre-season, Torain will make the team. He's the only young RB with long term future potential that we have, and also the the only RB that would likely play special teams.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 11:09 AM

They will carry four RBs and LJ will be one of them if healthy and able to play.

Posted by: TWISI | July 17, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Based on recent interview with Shanahan on NFL Access, Shanahan seems willing to welcome Albert back into camp provided he is in shape,and accept to do everything required of him on defense.

Posted by: abxinc | July 17, 2010 11:34 AM

Don't read too much into Shanahan's statements. It's all part of "The Script", and Shanahan would be dumb to say anything else. If you notice, Shanahan uses almost exactly the same word-for-word response every time he is asked about Fat Albert. It's all well rehearsed. If he made any statements that even suggested that he doesn't want Fat Albert on the Redskins, that would lead other teams to belive that the Redskins are desperate to be rid of him. That hurts the team's ability to get decent value for him in a trade. Both the Redskins and Hanesworth's people are following "The Script" to the letter, ensuring that as many teams as possible will be interested in Fat Albert, and that the Skins will be able to get some value in return. Only AFTER he is traded (and he will be) will the Skins change their tune and complain about being screwed over by Fat Albert.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@RomoLongballs | July 17, 2010 11:44 AM

Andy Reid learned under Mike Holmgen in Green Bay. Both Holmgren and Shanahan learned under Seifert in San Francisco. I can't picture that Shanahan's offense would be so different from Reid's that McNabb would struggle to adapt to the switch. That reporter from Fredricksburg needs to do his homework.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

f) None of the above

You knew that was coming, didn't you Moe? Carlos will never be any better than his last play. You've got to go with 'd', as he has been working on his tackling technique. We'll take any improvement from the collective class of '08 though. Keep all draft picks please, and trade dead weight for more picks!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 8:58 AM

G) Barnes, Tryon, and Rogers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse


@scampbell1975

I think I read somewhere that Tryon is working out with Darrell Green this off season. That could make a huge difference for Tryon, being the same size as Green. And he'll be a better tackler if he's listening up too Green .

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

LaConfora's picture is up instead of jreids's. not on the main blog page but on the little insert on the post's redskins front page.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | July 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

LaConfora's picture is up instead of jreids's. not on the main blog page but on the little insert on the post's redskins front page. weird.

Posted by: kdjsgreen | July 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Barnes has a bright future with the Skins, however it's not as a CB. He should be groomed as our FS of the future. He's 6'1 190 and has above average hands and tackling ability. He should be battling it out with Moore for the FS rotation rather than Buchannon & Tyron for the 3rd or 4th CB.

His hit on Javid Best..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCO0sRPJEZ8&feature=related

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse


@Diesel44

Barnes hit on Javid has FS writen all over it!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Andy Reid learned under Mike Holmgen in Green Bay. Both Holmgren and Shanahan learned under Seifert in San Francisco. I can't picture that Shanahan's offense would be so different from Reid's that McNabb would struggle to adapt to the switch. That reporter from Fredricksburg needs to do his homework.

Posted by: kaasmaster

the mentor was Bill Walsh, not Seifert. Seifert was a defensive guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Barnes hit on Javid has FS writen all over it!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 1:04 PM

What it has "writen all over it" is "once in a lifetime" since the guy hasn't been able to follow it up in the NFL.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse


@kaasmaster

It's not going to matter who's doing the teaching or who's system is used if McNabb continues to throw dirt balls.

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

@scampbell1975

I think I read somewhere that Tryon is working out with Darrell Green this off season. That could make a huge difference for Tryon, being the same size as Green. And he'll be a better tackler if he's listening up too Green .

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 12:36 PM

I think he did that last year and his improvement was vast. Let's hope he does it again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 17, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


@lxy32

What it has "writen all over it" is "once in a lifetime" since the guy hasn't been able to follow it up in the NFL.

That's just it lxy32, move Barnes to FS, where he'll "follow it up." Didn't you read and comprehend the entire post?

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

lxy32-

He's going into his 2nd season and played in 4 games last year. The previous coaching staff refused to play the younger guys and did a terrible job with their development.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who love to hate on DeAngelo Hall, here's one more reason:

http://www.delmarvanow.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20107170301

Northampton County is one of the poorest in Virginia, and DeAngelo hasn't managed to pay his $6400 property taxes for the house he owns outside Cape Charles.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

the mentor was Bill Walsh, not Seifert. Seifert was a defensive guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 17, 2010 1:17 PM

True, but when Shanahan was hired in SF Bill Walsh was no longer the Head Coach, Seifert was. Holmgren was the Offensive Coordinator at that time, so I guess you could say that Shanahan was a student of Holmgren's making the two offenses that much closer on the tree.

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It's not going to matter who's doing the teaching or who's system is used if McNabb continues to throw dirt balls.

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 1:21 PM

I was responding to a post about statements by a reporter who said that McNabb would have difficulty learning the system. There was no mention of his physical capability in the system, only his mental capabilities to learn the system.

And weren't you commenting just yesterday that you liked the idea of a McNabb/Westbrook reunion in Washington?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

@beep-beep | July 17, 2010 1:48 PM

That's why I would prefer that Barnes be able to make it as a real-deal CB, so we can get rid of another head case in Hall. Fat Albert, D Hall, L Johnson: the sooner we can replace these guys with better options the happier I'll be.

The backup plan to move Barnes to FS does have some merrit though.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse


@kaasmaster
And weren't you commenting just yesterday that you liked the idea of a McNabb/Westbrook reunion in Washington?


Yes I did, and if you read my comments I stated that playing Mcnabb/Westbrook made more sense than Portis and his numbers from the past. What does that have to do with McNabb throwing dirt balls? Jeez!

Posted by: hessone | July 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Given the choice. I'd rather have a QB that misses low rather than misses high. It's harder to intercept a ball thats thrown into the ground at the receiver's feet than one that sails over his head.

I also wonder how many of his "dirt balls" were intentional throw aways. If the ball lands at a receiver's feet, it's hard to get called for intentional grounding. It could be that he was coached to throw those kind of passes in order to avoid losing yards on a sack and at the same time minimize the chances for an interception.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

kaasmaster

"That's why I would prefer that Barnes be able to make it as a real-deal CB, so we can get rid of another head case in Hall."

I think D Hall will be on the money this season.

But if C Rogers wants to get paid, he must stand up to the challenge that'll come when teams choose to go after him.

And if he can't, we should expect to see K Barnes on the field.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I can live with Hall's production on the field. It's just that when he runs his mouth, the most obnoxios stuff comes out. and to not pay a few thousand in property taxes when you're making millions doesn't make much sense either.

It's true that I've had some tax issues, but I'm just financialy scraping by. Sometimes it can be a challenge just to put food on the table, and keep the utilities turned on. I doubt Hall is having those kind of problems. If he is, he's dumber than I ever would have thought.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's to the beer we love to drink, and the food we like to eat.

Here's to our wives and sweethearts, let's pray they never meet.

Here's champagne for our real friends And real pain for our sham friends.

And when this life is over, may all of us find peace.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Devin ready to bring it on the field. I read about two weeks ago he was training with Ochocinco. Good for him. Now no more hammys.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Thomas_Ready_to_Jumpstart_Season_129387.jsp

Posted by: TWISI | July 17, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"...And when this life is over, may all of us find peace...."


These are good words to read after spending another day at the funeral of the nicest woman I've ever know.

She lived to be 99, and died peacefully surrounded by family and friends.

I've attended 4 funerals since the end of March and, let me tell you, this perspective is the best emotion to walk away with as you watch another friend/relative descent six feet under.

Live long and enjoy your day, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, that article on Devin is from last summer.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

TWISI, that article on Devin is from last summer.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 5:50 PM

If that was written last summer, then I want the guy who wrote it picking my lottery numbers.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

It's not Kass. I'm just kidding. But it might as well have been. Or it could be about Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I like the idea of Brian Westbrook on this team, if only operating out of the slot. He solves a fair number of problems all by himself. Maybe it's not the best thing for him, but for the Skins, it might be.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

It's not Kass. I'm just kidding.

Posted by: mack1 | July 17, 2010 6:11 PM

So was I.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

Sorry for your loss. 99 is a pretty good run..

Here's to a long life and a merry one.

A quick death and an easy one.

A pretty girl and an honest one.

A cold beer and another one!

Since you don't imbide, I'll drink one for you, my friend..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 17, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

Thanks for the kind words....and enjoy!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed that even on Redskins.com, the site which has the job of hypeing the Skins in the most positive way at all times, Malcolm Kelley has faded into the background. Probably not a good sign when your team's own media outlet isn't showing you much love.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

kaasmaster

"Malcolm Kelley has faded into the background. Probably not a good sign..."

Let's all hope we are totally wrong about Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Larry Johnson Scolded by Judge for Lackluster Community Service Efforts"

"Children who go to PAL don't go there for art class," Municipal Court Judge Joseph Locascio said at Johnson's Friday hearing. "The idea that you would draw pictures with kids who want to participate in athletics is absurd..."


I guess the judge didn't get that he didn't mandate Johnson to play sports with the kids.

Plus, I wonder about using troubled athletes as substitute daddies.

I don't see how a guy who has been arrested for beating a woman or violence of any kind is someone benefiting kids by playing touch with them.

Or being a proper role model.

And as for his wanting to start arts class for the kids instead of encouraging another poor boy to play football, well, L Johnson is a very good artist.

He is creative in the same way his judge lacks wisdom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

With Bobby Turner in charge of the running game, Portis just might get 1800 yards this year - if he can avoid another concussion. Unfortunately K. Barnes won't be able to avoid being cut in preseason.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 17, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Ih8

Can I get a ticket on the bus???

Ill spike the cool aid

Also I saw somethin bout my three way trade floatin round.....

Carrol p may have heard it too, let's see....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 17, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ih8

Can I get a ticket on the bus???

Ill spike the cool aid

Also I saw somethin bout my three way trade floatin round.....

Carrol p may have heard it too, let's see....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 17, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Brandon,

Where might you have seen it floating?
(Besides the sewer that is Redskins Insider)
If it works, I could live without V Jackson for three games if it meant I never had to look at Fat Albert in Burgundy and Gold again.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 17, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

The Colts had just beaten the Cowboys. This blog feels...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp6NRUbsZA

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 18, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about your loss Moe.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

mack1

"Sorry to hear about your loss Moe."

Thanks for the kind words.

We've been to four funerals in 5 months, and as we have a lot of older types in the family, it's a sad pattern that'll continue.

The best lessons from all of it is that you learn to double check your insurance, write a will, and pre-plan as much as possible.

It's a terrible thing to have to plan for a funeral for people with little insurance, no savings, and a lot of debt.

The other thing you learn--outside of enjoying each day with the people you love--is to take things in stride as anger is wasted emotion.

And hate, the dumbest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

True on all counts Moe. Have a good Sunday.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Man, if that hell week article on the main page doesn't get you fired up and excited for the changes coming this season, ESPECIALLY AT QB, nothing will.

This is how a REAL leader rolls, and I couldn't be happier he's on our side.

Can't wait for training camp, think I'll have to go on day 1 to soak it all in.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/18/AR2010071801107.html

JC ever do anything like this? Anybody in the last decade or so?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

So I guess that when McNabb tells you to go to hell, it's a good thing.

But seriously... I am impressed. This really shows McNabb's dedication to the game and our team. This will be especially good for DT and MK to see and be part of this kind of effort in training and team building. I am enthused by Thomas' comments about this opportunity. He seems excited about this year, and I'm thinking we might be impressed by his performance this season. Hopefully Kelly will surprise us too. I would love to see a full list of the Redskins that are participating in these workouts.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

JC ever do anything like this? Anybody in the last decade or so?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 12:47 PM

Nothing this intense, but to his credit, he did spend a lot of extra time working one-on-one with Malcolm Kelley durring last year's offseason. He wanted to work with DT as well, but he had hamstring issues.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Randle El: Dan Snyder held Jim Zorn back

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 18, 2010 2:21 PM ET

In the days following Jim Zorn's firing, not many people stuck up for his coaching abilities, outside of saying what a nice guy he was. Former Redskins receiver Antwaan Randle El, however, says Zorn never really got a fair chance because of meddlesome ownership.

"When Jim Zorn was there, he was hands-on," Randle El told the Northwest Indiana Times. "He had great potential, but Dan Snyder was too involved because he didn't trust coach Zorn as much as he did coach (Joe) Gibbs, and those were things that prevented us from success as a team."

Posted by: beep-beep | July 18, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Man is more deader than Ham Hock's up here, so allow me to interject:

Randle El: Dan Snyder held Jim Zorn back

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 18, 2010 2:21 PM ET

In the days following Jim Zorn's firing, not many people stuck up for his coaching abilities, outside of saying what a nice guy he was. Former Redskins receiver Antwaan Randle El, however, says Zorn never really got a fair chance because of meddlesome ownership.

"When Jim Zorn was there, he was hands-on," Randle El told the Northwest Indiana Times. "He had great potential, but Dan Snyder was too involved because he didn't trust coach Zorn as much as he did coach (Joe) Gibbs, and those were things that prevented us from success as a team."

There are many reasons why the Zorn era didn't work. There are even more reasons why the Redskins have recorded a 80-96 record since Snyder took over.

Snyder figures to take the same approach with new coach Mike Shanahan that he took with Gibbs, which can only be a good thing.


You know, ARE may have a point but I'm willing to say that his east/west approach on punt returns didn't contribute to the team's success either.

Also is probably a little sour that he wasn't brought back too.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Quit jocking my style, beep-beep!

Where the hell ya been anyway?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Red--I've pretty much retired from RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 18, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"This is how a REAL leader rolls, and I couldn't be happier he's on our side."


At what point will the folks who love the new 'real' leader turn on him?

After the second 'ball in the dirt' bounced pass to a wide open C Cooley on 3rd and short.

What kind of numbers does the new 'real' leader have to put up to justify his addition?

He can put up the same as JC, just give us the occasional come from behind victory or 3-4 touchdown passes game we haven't had in a while.

Do you trust Rex Grossman in a situation where D Mac gets hurt?

Would you trust your wife with Mel Gibson in a hot tub?

You used to say, "Leave Albert Be." Whaddya say now?

I say I'd rather have him switched out for Vincent Jackson.

Will the team make the playoffs this year?

To be honest, next year's draft is more important to me than this year's playoffs.

Who is more important this Fall, D Mac or Kyle Shanahan?

The guys up front blocking.

Which redskin receiver must 'put up or shut up' this year?

All of them.

Finally, just where are you sittin' on the Redskins Fan Optimism Bus?

Near the emergency exit.

As usual.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, beep.

Used to be honor amongst thieves. But before you hang up the keyboard, remember there is a season around the corner. Sure there will be plenty to talk about once it pops off.

Besides, what would the board be without one of it's elder statesman?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

4.9 in the 40.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | July 18, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 3:11 PM

Nkay, thanks Moe.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 18, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Red--I've pretty much retired from RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 18, 2010 3:07 PM

You're calling it a retirement? You were fired. YRed--I've pretty much retired from RI.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 18, 2010 3:07 PM

You're calling it a retirement? You were fired. You were replaced by 5 much cheaper posters, who collectively haven't replaced your insight or wit but have increased the total post count by a few.

They choose quality over quantity. Enjoy your "retirement" Cindy..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Love this:


Redskins' receivers to join Donovan McNabb for "hell week"

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 18, 2010 12:40 PM ET

The Redskins will open training camp in Ashburn, Virginia, on July 29, but Donovan McNabb and some of his teammates are getting a head start.

Rick Maese of the Washington Post reports that receivers Devin Thomas, Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly are among the players who have accepted McNabb's invitation to spend this week in Arizona for an intense series of workouts in the desert heat.

"I think it's important for the specialists on the offense to have that chemistry, to have that bond," McNabb said, "where they can trust me and I can trust them."

McNabb calls the workouts -- which he also did with teammates in Philadelphia -- "hell week."

"It's a different mindset," McNabb said. "I prepare guys the way I prepare."

For some players, a week of relaxation might make more sense than a week of hell right before the start of camp, but Thomas is among those expressing excitement at the opportunity to get extra work in.

"Can't nothing but good come out of the situation when you go out and work out with your quarterback before the season starts," Thomas said. "It's a great time to build that chemistry without the coaches being there. You just get a little of that extra bonding time to lead into training camp."

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 18, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what happened..

F Apple

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"You're calling it a retirement? You were fired."


What, you guys all work together or something?

Don't tell me I'm posting on 'Paid WaPo Blogger' Day.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'll Bite

Q: At what point will the folks who love the new 'real' leader turn on him?

As soon as the Skins draft the next "QB of the Future", or Colt throws for 300 yards in a preseason game, whichever comes first.

Q: what kind of numbers does the new 'real' leader have to put up to justify his addition?

8 or more in the W column.

Q: Do you trust Rex Grossman in a situation where D Mac gets hurt?

Only as far as I can throw Fat Albert

Q: You used to say, "Leave Albert Be." Whaddya say now?

I say "Leave Albert be somewhere else".

Q: Will the team make the playoffs this year?

Only if EVERYTHING goes better than expected. Maybe we could get in as a wild card.

Q: Who is more important this Fall, D Mac or Kyle Shanahan?

The guys up front blocking. I've said that before the last two seasons too. This year I actually have some reason to believe it will work. the last two years it was more like a prayer.

Q: Which redskin receiver must 'put up or shut up' this year?

Any that still want a job next year. Some if they still want a job in September.

Q: Finally, just where are you sittin' on the Redskins Fan Optimism Bus?

Half way between the keg and the "Smoking Section".

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Besides, what would the board be without one of it's elder statesman?"


Beep-beep/talent_evaluator, twisi, paskinsfan, flounder21, periculum/skinsneedagm, samson, and brownwood are some dudes who really are on their own level in this forum.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for July 29 because the last 2 weeks have been BOOOOORRRRRIIINNNNGG

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Tip of the cap, Moe. I know you probably thought it would look bad, but you really should add your own name to that list as well. If for no other reason, you've made the "one sentence is its own paragraph" writing style an art form...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 18, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is having the offensive specialists over to his training place to experience "hell week". Who takes the leadership role on defense? Why doesn't London Flecher do this? He can invite Haynesworth for wind sprints without oxygen bottles. Of course, what happens when a player collapses at your personal workout? If it were Haynesworth he would probably sue for... I don't know... $21 million?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

brownwood

"I know you probably thought it would look bad, but you really should add your own name to that list as well."


I do the best I can with the little I have.

And when that's not enough, the right amount of ego and coffee will help me find more.

Thanks for the props.

HTTR

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb is having the offensive specialists over to his training place to experience "hell week". Who takes the leadership role on defense? Why doesn't London Flecher do this?"

I don't think this idea translates as well to defense as it does to the passing game. Timing and co-ordination between a QB and his receivers is more of a key thing than among defenders. It seems to me that the things that matter most on defense, i.e. (i/>), being in the right place and knocking the cr@p out of people, are things that they really can't practice until there is an offense facing them in training camp.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 18, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb is having the offensive specialists over to his training place to experience "hell week". Who takes the leadership role on defense? Why doesn't London Flecher do this?"

I don't think this idea translates as well to defense as it does to the passing game. Timing and co-ordination between a QB and his receivers is more of a key thing than among defenders. It seems to me that the things that matter most on defense, i.e., being in the right place and knocking the cr@p out of people, are things that they really can't practice until there is an offense facing them in training camp.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 18, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

rufus

"....Can't wait for July 29 because the last 2 weeks have been..."

I feel you.

But I'm also a lil bit more patient than most.

My hope is that one last big personnel move comes down before camps starts.

I'd still like to see:

a. another vet interior linemen added

b. another vet 'big' receiver added

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Randle El: Dan Snyder held Jim Zorn back
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 18, 2010 2:21 PM ET
In the days following Jim Zorn's firing, not many people stuck up for his coaching abilities, outside of saying what a nice guy he was. Former Redskins receiver Antwaan Randle El, however, says Zorn never really got a fair chance because of meddlesome ownership.

"When Jim Zorn was there, he was hands-on," Randle El told the Northwest Indiana Times. "He had great potential, but Dan Snyder was too involved because he didn't trust coach Zorn as much as he did coach (Joe) Gibbs, and those were things that prevented us from success as a team."

There are many reasons why the Zorn era didn't work. There are even more reasons why the Redskins have recorded a 80-96 record since Snyder took over.

Snyder figures to take the same approach with new coach Mike Shanahan that he took with Gibbs, which can only be a good thing.


Who didn't know DS was too involved? azzhole owner strikes again.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 18, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, I can understand DS not having the same level of confidence in Zorn as Gibbs, but what makes him think he's any better?
Hire good football people and get the h*ll out of their way!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 18, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Beep-beep/talent_evaluator, twisi, paskinsfan, flounder21, periculum/skinsneedagm, samson, and brownwood are some dudes who really are on their own level in this forum.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 4:28 PM |

I can't see how this could possibly be a compliment with perineum in there.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc

If you don't like this, please let me know. I'm creating a list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Just watching 2012 on Starz

I guess we'll have to enjoy this season because 2010 football, 2011 lockout, 2012 world ends

Maybe that's Shanallen stocking up for this

Just sayin...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

44, that song is from a commercial. Not too bad for a country joint, real talk.

For real, I kinda listen to a variety of music as long as it sounds good... to me.


Man, this ARI/GB game was one for the ages... all that offense and the game was won a defensive play... ironic epic ish right there.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

D44, that would be a great song for True Blood

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

tampa, saw 2012 for the first time last night... great effects, but HORRIBLE storyline...

Should be no coincidence that the end of the world will somewhat coincide with doomsday.

It will be the beginning of the end.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd still like to see:

a. another vet interior linemen added

b. another vet 'big' receiver added

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 6:00 PM
They're both good ideas, but I doubt either one will happen before training camp starts.

Can't picture the first happening until teams start making their cuts. If there were anyone available now that the Skins were interested in, I think we would have signed them already.

Brandon_in_calli mentioned that he had heard more recent rumblings about the three way trade involving Fat Albert to Seatle, draft pick to San Diego, and V Jackson to the Skins, but he didn't mention where he had heard it. Without a source it is hard to put any real stock into it. At any rate, I think teams are waiting to see what Albert looks like when he shows up for camp before they're willing to make any offers.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

@Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 6:38 PM
I got nothing but respect and admiration for the man in black. Don't give a damn about half the people in the video though.

Just out of curiosity, why are you making a list of Johnny Cash haters?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll have to enjoy this season because 2010 football, 2011 lockout, 2012 world ends

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2010 6:49 PM


I don't know what world you live in, but in my world a football lockout IS the end of the world...

That's why my prediction that the Wizards, Caps, and Redskins will all win titles in 2012 isn't as bold as it sounds. I mean, what greater sign that life as we know it is coming to an end than the D.C. sports scene becoming a de facto "Titletown"?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 18, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess we'll have to enjoy this season because 2010 football, 2011 lockout, 2012 world ends

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 18, 2010 6:49 PM

It's not supposed to end until December 2012. At least we'll get most of the 2012 season in.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

nooone- true blood is a fantastic show..

snookie..ftw

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Should be no coincidence that the end of the world will somewhat coincide with doomsday.

It will be the beginning of the end.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 18, 2010 6:56 PM

Or maybe, just maybe, the end of the beginning.
(It's fun to post when goofy on painkillers.)

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I know it's snookie btw, just a lil humor

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 7:44 PM

Oh, and here I thought that you might just be making a list of who to not send Christmas greetings to this year.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

**start benign and unprovoked personal attack**

Glawrence, I was reading this blog, mindin my own GD bidness when I came across this picture and, well, stop it. I want to read your posts but can't get past this.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D_Z-D2tzi14/S5q2GbeW8UI/AAAAAAAACKY/_K7zjrrZ7tY/s1600-h/capitalizing+words+unnecessarily+.png

**end benign and unprovoked personal attack**

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 18, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"I can't see how this could possibly be a compliment with perineum in there."

I guess you don't keep your enemies close and your frenemies closer.

(frenemy= friend + enemy)

Advice: patch up your beef with periculum/skinsneedagm and move on.

Life is too short for any of us to be mad at people we can't see.

Unless, of course, he's posting away in the cubicle right next to yours.

You can't ride the "Redskins Fans Bus of Optimism" and have hate in your heart for some other dude ridin' along with us.

Save the hate for when the bus breaks down: then, we're all fightin' each other to get to the emergency exit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"true blood is a fantastic show..."

I like Hung.

I identify with the main character in that I'm a morally confused adult male who has no problem bangin' chicks for cash.

'Cept that in the show, the main character gets paid to have sex.

And I usually have to pay to have it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I'd chuck a beer on an Eagles fan for anyone up here.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Moe, don't confuse utter disdain with hatred. I hate no one. I also very much doubt that perineum would be allowed on the bus since he is quite obviously a Dallas Brokeback fan. See his posts under his newly assumed name skinshaveaGM. Slurpin' them Cownuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I'd chuck a beer on an Eagles fan for anyone up here.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Single tear mack. It would be my pleasure to throw a tray of nachos on an uneducated Dallas fan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd chuck a beer on an Eagles fan for anyone up here.

Posted by: mack1 | July 18, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Single tear mack. It would be my pleasure to throw a tray of nachos on an uneducated Dallas fan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 9:08 PM |

It would be an honor to piss on any fan from another NFC East team for any mutha phuker on this blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, Why did you have to turn it all gay? Just when the blog was having a moment you want to give some dude a golden shower..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline (this one is true):

"Aventura man accused of having sex with dog named Christie Brinkley"

AVENTURA — An Aventura man was arrested on Friday and charged with having sex with his dog, a Great Dane named Christie Brinkley.

"She doesn't seem to enjoy it as much when we have sex. Maybe it's because I haven't been as energetic lately and that's why she's not enjoying it," he allegedly told the staffer when she asked about the dog's health, the arrest warrant said.

Usually, a snarky remark is needed to add some comic fuel to this fire of idiotic behavior.

But, obviously, nothing more needs to be said.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, Why did you have to turn it all gay? Just when the blog was having a moment you want to give some dude a golden shower..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 9:16 PM |

Whoooaaaa!! I think you just turned it gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

But, obviously, nothing more needs to be said.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 9:18 PM
...Or maybe it does.

He needs to be thrown in the kennel with a big male great dane named Billy Joel that wants to make him his Bi_ch.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Daniel M. Snyder

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 18, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Now its gay

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 18, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey scamp- do you want to be gay 2gether?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

mack1, is that a full, unopened can of beer or a 20oz, $50 FedEx beer in a plastic cup? I'm not sure which one I'd be more impressed with. If it's an Eagles fan, probably the unopened one. Thanks, man.

My yoga instructor is from Philly and gives me the hairy eyeball during Eagle Pose. Throw one at her.

There, just brought up yoga on a skins blog. THAT'S gay.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 18, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey scamp- do you want to be gay 2gether?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 9:59 PM |

I'll pass, but thanks for the offer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this would be gay or awesome, or a combination of both:

Dumping a Smirnoff Ice on the head of a Dallas fan week 1.

2 years ago there was some obnoxious couple, wearing matching Marion Barber jerseys, who danced the entire f-ing game.

They deserve it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I guess you've never seen that terrible movie, Saving Silverman..

Anyways...props to me for making it extra gay with spelling it 2gether.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Beep-beep/talent_evaluator, twisi, paskinsfan, flounder21, periculum/skinsneedagm, samson, and brownwood are some dudes who really are on their own level in this forum.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 18, 2010 4:28 PM


Man, I leave town for one stinkin' week and I'm off Moe's list...

Posted by: edvar | July 18, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this would be gay or awesome, or a combination of both:

Dumping a Smirnoff Ice on the head of a Dallas fan week 1.

2 years ago there was some obnoxious couple, wearing matching Marion Barber jerseys, who danced the entire f-ing game.

They deserve it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 10:20 PM

Let me help you with that. The fact that it was poured on Dallas fans was awesome. The fact that you had a Smirnoff Ice makes you gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess you've never seen that terrible movie, Saving Silverman..

Anyways...props to me for making it extra gay with spelling it 2gether.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 18, 2010 10:22 PM |

I think I did see that but just didn't connect the two. Maybe too inebriated at the time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this would be gay or awesome, or a combination of both:

Dumping a Smirnoff Ice on the head of a Dallas fan week 1.

2 years ago there was some obnoxious couple, wearing matching Marion Barber jerseys, who danced the entire f-ing game.

They deserve it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 10:20 PM

Let me help you with that. The fact that it was poured on Dallas fans was awesome. The fact that you had a Smirnoff Ice makes you gay.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

No, wanting to suck on your balls does.

**disclaimer** movie quote not at all intended to insinuate actual gayness.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 18, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

With the price of beer at the stadium, I'm not pouring any on anybody. Not even the most obnoxious Cowpukes fan. Every drop of that beer is going into my gullet.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

kass: clearly more impressed with mack1 tossing the $50 FedEx beer.

That's unopened can:1
$50 $nyder beer:1

Which would more closely endear mack1 to your heart?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 18, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I believe Westbrook will end up here with an incentive laden contract.Cooley,Davis,Westbrooke,Portis all targets out of the backfield.Scary prospect for opposing linebackers.T.O. would be a welcome addition to that list in my opinion.McNabb could probably get him if he lobbied on his behalf?I'm sure Shanahan asked for Donovan's input.I'd like to have been witness to that convo.

Posted by: mark65 | July 18, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

kass: clearly more impressed with mack1 tossing the $50 FedEx beer.

That's unopened can:1
$50 $nyder beer:1

Which would more closely endear mack1 to your heart?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 18, 2010 11:06 PM |

To me, at least, the unopened can of beer. Especially if thrown with all his might. Might catch a charge though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 18, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Many years ago I used to work in the concession stands at University of Maryland football games. We sold soda in plastic souvenir cups. The students would have battles in the stands using empty cups as projectiles. The administration of course did not like this, so they switched to paper cups. The students soon figured out that you could drink the soda and then fold the top of the cup down over the remaining ice, thus creating a projectile that was actually dangerous. Needless to say, the plastic cups came back pretty quick.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 18, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

kass- less than 20 years ago I was on the sidelines of Byrd stadium..Always a dry stadium but a little more civilized than the fans a few hundred yards away at Cole Fieldhouse, although a crumbled up newspaper never hurt anyone..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 19, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

If you're gonna throw stuff at Cowboy fans, can I get the nachos followed by the tequila and a lime.

By FAR the best beer throwing in the world happens at Preakness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD0VG2NpkOA&feature=related

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 19, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if this would be gay or awesome, or a combination of both:

Dumping a Smirnoff Ice on the head of a Dallas fan week 1.

2 years ago there was some obnoxious couple, wearing matching Marion Barber jerseys, who danced the entire f-ing game.

They deserve it.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 18, 2010 10:20 PM


The only thing that would make it un-gay, would be to immediately follow up the Smirnoff Ice dousing with the lighting of a match and setting said Dallas fans on fire. Nothing gay about that.

Also nothing gay about looking forward to training camp. Just 10 days and counting!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 5:17 AM | Report abuse

“McNabb invited the Redskins' wide receivers, tight ends and running backs to Arizona to take part in his regular offseason workout program....Wide receivers Devin Thomas, Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly are among those expected to participate.”

Now we’re talking…Good stuff.

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 19, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

CP saw the writing on the wall. Too little, too late, his skills have diminished.

40 yard speed, what speed? never had it. The only thing he can do now is block. And that is not good enough.

We need a threat each time they touch the ball. As of now we have no one. Why not deal albert, portis and the tight end (what's his name, you know the one that always fumbles near the goal line) Get a real "back."

Posted by: agra09 | July 19, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

CP do your thing you are finally with a coach who knows how to utilize you to your strengths and your now in a scheme that accentuates your talent and you at least have some blocking up front..All those haters on ESPN 980 and fairweather fans will be all on your jock and if I were you I wouldn't give them the time of day.

CP has never been in any legal or crimminal trouble, he got frustrated at Vinny and Danny aka dumb an dumber bringing in new coaches an schemes every year an voiced his opinion which is his right! Anyway do your thing!!!!!!

Posted by: BeatDontStop | July 19, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Practice all you want. Your legs are done and you have lost a step. You have been late hitting holes for the last 2 years and it shows.
Sorry. Those are the facts

Posted by: dbeins | July 20, 2010 6:57 AM | Report abuse

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