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Posted at 2:12 PM ET, 02/28/2011

Redskins release Clinton Portis

By Mike Jones

Updated: 2:12 p.m.

The Redskins announced Monday that they have released running back Clinton Portis, the second-leading rusher in franchise history with 6,824 yards.

"Clinton provided excitement from the very first time he touched the ball as a Redskin and we were lucky to witness every ounce of energy, effort and passion he has given ever since," Redskins Owner Daniel M. Snyder said in a statement released by the team. "We have been through a lot both on and off of the field and we would like to wish him and his family the very best. He will always be a Redskin and go down as one of the franchise's all-time greats."

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Clinton Portis says that he expects to be released by the Washington Redskins on Monday.

Speaking with Washington Post columnist Mike Wise on his radio show with Holden Kushner on 106.7 The Fan, Portis said that the impending move "was a decision that was best for the both of us," and that he looks forward to continuing his career with another team.

The second-leading rusher in franchise history, Portis was owed $8.3 million for the 2011 season. But after Portis's past two seasons were shortened because of injuries, Redskins brass couldn't see retaining Portis at that price, Coach Mike Shanahan said Friday.

"If we're not going to sign Clinton to that high salary, I'll let him test the market out," Shanahan explained. "Not to say we don't want him, but for a lower price, and obviously we'll try to find the best deal."

Portis said he doesn't feel a need or desire to return to the Redskins, but money isn't his reason for wanting to leave.

"In Washington, it's nothing left me to prove," said Portis, who in eight years as a Redskin rushed for 6,824 yards and 46 touchdowns. "It's not about the money for me at this stage in my career. It's about winning. I hope to help a team win rings, and that's what I'm looking forward to. Going in onto someone else's team and not having to be worried about Portis, Portis, Portis, and just to be able to contribute in any way I can, that will be a wonderful thing."

Portis hasn't played a full season since 2008, when he rushed for 1,487 yards and nine touchdowns. The following season, he suffered a concussion and missed the last eight games. This past season, Portis played just five games. He started the first four, but suffered a third-degree groin pull in the first half of Washington's game at Philadelphia. Portis missed the next six weeks, attempted a comeback against Tennessee, but on his fifth carry of the game, he tore a lower abdominal muscle, which required season-ending surgery.

Portis, 29, has rushed for 9,923 yards in his career, which ranks 26th on the NFL's career list, but he refutes the notion that his days as a feature back are over.

More of the Portis interview is on The Early Lead.

"I think missing games the last two seasons provided me the opportunity to rest me up," Portis said. "Coming off the groin injury, being away from the game and being on the outside looking in, before that, I don't even think I was a fan of the game. I think the most exciting thing that I've seen in the last two years was the run [Tennessee Titans running back] Chris Johnson had. But I think it developed and gave me a passion for the game and an appreciation for the craft. A lot of people look at me now and it's a hype situation and who's the man opposed to having that grind for the game and approaching it as a craft, and that's something I want to bring back."

Portis later added, "I'll never do [a two-running back system]. I wouldn't adopt that mind-set."

Portis told Wise and Kushner that the passion he now feels is something that he has been missing since Joe Gibbs retired from his second stint as Redskins coach following the 2007 season. Gibbs' first major personnel move was the acquisition of Portis from Denver in exchange for cornerback Champ Bailey. Under Gibbs, Portis and the Redskins reached the playoffs two times in four years, but also endured the murder of Sean Taylor, the team's starting safety and Portis' best friend.

"I never seen nobody give up or with their head down with Coach Gibbs," Portis said. "As many close games as we played and came up short during his era, you can't say one time that we gave up. There was a passion and toughness amongst everybody on that field to fight until [time expired]."

Portis had said last year that the arrival of Mike Shanahn in Washington rejuvenated him. Shanahan drafted Portis in Denver and coached him two seasons. But in his interview today, Portis didn't speak as fondly of Shanahan as he did of Gibbs, and says Shanahan didn't feature him in the offense this year as he did back in Denver. He said that he still believes Shanahan will rebuild the Redskins into a contender, but "I just don't think it's right now."

It appears Portis' Redskins career will end with him standing 684 yards shy of John Riggins' franchise rushing record. At one point, Portis had said surpassing that mark meant more to him than anything other than winning a Super Bowl. But today, Portis said that that mark doesn't mean as much to him as he thought it did; otherwise, he would re-sign with the Redskins for less and go after Riggins' record.

"If John Riggins is the only one you can say did more than me as a Redskins' running back, then that's pretty good company," Portis conceded.

The Redskins now must decide if Ryan Torain and Keiland Williams give them the best opportunity to succeed at running back, or if they should pursue another back in free agency or the draft. Torain, a two-year veteran, led Washington last season with 742 yards and four touchdowns in 10 games. Williams, who just completed his rookie season, accounted for another 261 yards and three touchdowns.

By Mike Jones  | February 28, 2011; 2:12 PM ET
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Comments

Cool, it landed on the Easterns Commercials!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Speaking of those Easterns commercials, do you remember the one that had several Redskins they were giving nicknames to?

They had Carlos Rogers and his nickname was "The Interceptor" (see below).

That's a perfect 10 on the Unintended Comedy Scale.

http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-aGNwiCEvRA&feature=related

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I know it's just "Clinton being Clinton" but 2 head scratchers:

1. He won't accept a role in a 2 back system?

Unless that means he's looking for a 3 back system instead, he better get ready to retire.

b. Shanahan did not feature him like in Denver?

Correct me if I'm wrong but it's hard to feature a guy who's groin muscle is ripped of the bone no?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis didn't speak as fondly of Shanahan as he did of Gibbs, and says Shanahan didn't feature him in the offense this year as he did back in Denver.

*****

Hey CP, when you dive on the ground in the open field b/c you fear contact, you can expect to get un-featured pretty quickly.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey CP, when you dive on the ground in the open field b/c you fear contact, you can expect to get un-featured pretty quickly.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"In Washington, it's nothing left me to prove."


Can someone please interpret this statement for me?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ha, he's about to get an attitude adjustment once he tries to "test the market".

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Too long...where's the Cliff Notes?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

no more challenges or motivation for him here. to take the beating they take 'runners' i guess need a lil inspiration.

Posted by: aypub | February 28, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

no more challenges or motivation for him here. to take the beating they take 'runners' i guess need a lil inspiration.

Posted by: aypub | February 28, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Portis later added, "I'll never do [a two-running back system]. I wouldn't adopt that mind-set."

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You can feature on the scout team; I'm sure they'll give you all those carries...except, that's right...you don't ever do practice either...you just wouldn't adopt that mindset.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey CP, when you dive on the ground in the open field b/c you fear contact, you can expect to get un-featured pretty quickly.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse


What?

My statement, or the fact that CP dove on the field?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"In Washington, it's nothing left me to prove."


Can someone please interpret this statement for me?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:11 PM


I think Malcolm Kelly would say, "That's all out the water now."

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign on my favorite CP moment

http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/clinton-for-sean.jpg

There are a lot of others. I understand the business part of this deal: I can only hope that the Redskins can find a way to replace him. Last year he made a huge difference.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 28, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I'll miss is these interview transcripts where you have to try and decipher his gibberish.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 28, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Malcolm Kelly would say, "That's all out the water now."

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 1:18 PM

Who is Malcolm Kelly?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What?

My statement, or the fact that CP dove on the field?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Your statement. Saying Portis is afraid of contact is RIDICULOUS.

He went down to protect the ball because he thought he felt a strip coming...give me a break tough guy.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@p1funk
~~~
Exactly.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
We gave up arguably a young & in his prime hall of fame caliber cornerback for Portis, that's all I'll remember about Portis. Snyder wanted to give Champ a sham contract that stated 54 million but paid far less, Champ wrote a letter to the Washington Times describing the situation and Snyder traded him in a snit.

Unfortunately Champ leaving was part of a run of rotten star-crossed luck, he leaves, playmaking Shawn Barber can't stay healthy, Antonio Pierce goes to the Giants, Lavar gets hurt and ultimately has a far shorter and bittersweet career, Ryan Clark goes to the Steelers, and Taylor gets murdered.

And all we got out of this was a moody, inarticulate, sometimey RB that STILL believes that he is better than he actually is.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 1:18 PM

Who is Malcolm Kelly?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Right now, he's our #1 WR for the 2011-2012 season.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Portis has always been about Portis, and he's been a spoiled little b*tch for most of his time in DC, between his weird costumes, running around the coach to talk to the Danny when he doesn't get his way, to practicing when he felt like it. He is a perfect RB for the team that the Danny has crafted - likes to talk trash and fails to produce.

Compare him to Stephen Davis, a class act. He busted his butt and did not run his mouth. I remember one game SD had the flu, puked on the side line, put his helmet back on and got in the game.

Until there are more Stephen Davis types and fewer Clinton Portises on the Redskins, they'll never win anything that matters. Character and heart, not characters. Good riddance.

Posted by: publius88 | February 28, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I love lack of English sophistication..Shows a certain amount of sans succi..Cracks in the control structure reveal new cosmic avenues..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Your statement. Saying Portis is afraid of contact is RIDICULOUS.

He went down to protect the ball because he thought he felt a strip coming...give me a break tough guy.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse


So, he "thought" he felt a strip coming.

Gotcha.

And how is that different from being afraid of contact?

I guess he's good to run, so long as he doesn't "think" anyone is going to actually touch him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Come on, those guys were basically camp fodder given a look to see if there was anything left in the tank.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 11:59 AM |

One of them made the opening day roster. And if RSH were right that "The coaches on staff have a reputation for developing running backs so why should they occupy a roster spot with an aging veteran?" then they would have gone with young "camp fodder."

Fact is that the 'Skins are equal opportunity employers at RB. If 'Skins would give those guys a chance they'd give Portis a chance.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 12:03 PM
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The reason why Portis stayed had just as much to do with his contract as it did his ability. He looked better than Johnson and Parker, but he didn't look better than Torain or K. Williams. I don't want to say anything bad about Portis, but his best days are behind him and he is injury prone. If you take history out of the equation, keeping him around to be a pass blocking running back for a fraction of the season just doesn't seem prudent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey P1- if you're wondering, my "exactly" is in agreement with your observation.

Only boxers have higher, unwarranted opinions of themselves than Portis.

He has forgotten how much he only plays & practices when he wants to. We threw a RB that would lead the Panthers to the SB in Stephen Davis overboard and Champ and all we got was Janky Spanky.

More reasons why the Snyder's Redskins have become one of the NFL's weak sisters.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

So, he "thought" he felt a strip coming.

Gotcha.

And how is that different from being afraid of contact?

I guess he's good to run, so long as he doesn't "think" anyone is going to actually touch him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes...it's called instincts and field awareness. Maybe if you'd ever played a sport you'd understand.

Since you like to question NFL players toughness, maybe that means you've watched some NFL games. If you have you'd likely have heard many announcers and ex players and coaches lament how many times trying to stay upright for another yard or 2 is not worth it and if you are at the end of a good gain it's smart to go down if you can;t take it all the way to the end zone.

Go ask any of his coaches or any DB or LB that has been blocked by him on a blitz if he's afraid of contact.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"In Washington, it's nothing left me to prove."


Can someone please interpret this statement for me?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:11 PM


I think Malcolm Kelly would say, "That's all out the water now."


Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Or Carlos Rogers would say, "Man, you know, Portis got nuffin to prove. He got outstanin leg-cy here in Wash-tin, Don' make fun my boy!"

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Shanacan't will use Haynesworth as a running back, just like Refrigerator Perry.

Posted by: sameolddoc | February 28, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

He'll be in New England's training camp and will get cut with the 2nd waive of guys.

Posted by: overzealous08 | February 28, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh my...here comes the riff-raff.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: So, are you still thinking Cam's accuracy is a problem?

Scout: I think it's a big concern.

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: But what about his arm strength? I mean, did you see that eighty yard bomb he threw?

Scout: Yep

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: And you're still not impressed?

Scout: Nope

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: How could you not be impressed by that throw?

Scout: We asked him to throw a screen pass to the running back.

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: But still... it was an eighty yard bomb

Scout: Most bombs are thrown down the field - not into the twenty third row of the bleachers. That thing nearly hit my grandmother.

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: Okay. Well, I see you've made your mind up. I guess it is time for my secret weapon...

Scout: You don't mean...

Cam Newton's Dad to scout: Yep. I'm going for a Vinny Cerrato endorsement...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller looks strapped, and with the kinda steaptopygia ("bubble-butt-itis") you like in a strong sprinter and pass rusher..Tommie Harris not offerred a new contract..What's up with him?? He's 27 and his numbers have dropped significantly the past two seasons, from Pro Bowl levels..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

He looked better than Johnson and Parker, but he didn't look better than Torain or K. Williams. I don't want to say anything bad about Portis, but his best days are behind him and he is injury prone. If you take history out of the equation, keeping him around to be a pass blocking running back for a fraction of the season just doesn't seem prudent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You say he's injury prone, which is true, but you then say he didn't look better than Torain or Williams, but that's false. If he had stayed healthy last year he would have gained close to 1,500 yards.

He was in awesome shape and looked really good when he was healthy.

I agree we can't keep him just to block, then he becomes 1 dimensional and they will send multiple blitzers every time at him.

Cutting him is the right decision, now we just need to know when the right time is to cut other players before our team becomes old like when Vinny and Co. were here.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Last year when Portis carried the ball the Redskins were 3-2. Without him they were 3-8.

They are going to miss the guy. Not to say he won't be back for fewer $$$. But I don't know if Torrain can play a full season, and is Williams good enough? Lots of questions.

Posted by: dpc2003 | February 28, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@ WaitingGuilty-

Point taken-Portis is a good blocking back.

But, he's not the only good blocking back, and he had to learn same as any other back-nearly all starting RBs are good blocking backs, it's the least of what they are expected to be.

Having said that, the Skins' needed Portis to be a superior RB moreso than a good blocking back and Portis is the quintessential tease-some games he'll run hard when inspired, other times-not so much.

I'm taking into account how sorry our lines BECAME, it wasn't always the deal. When we had an in his prime Randy Thomas to go with Jansen and Samuels our O-line was at least "solid".

Portis was/is moody and sometimey. Personally, I'm glad that he will not sit atop many Redskins rushing records. Look at how he talks, it's no big deal to him.

He's played poorly enough that I keep forgetting he's only 29 and should still have some years left, particularly since he's been saving himself the last 3-4 years with his half-assed play.

As much as I love the Hurricanes and as fond as I was of Portis coming out, looking at him up close the last 5 or so years continues to make me rueful of the fact that we traded Champ for this joker.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

p1funk would hose down George Clinton for being too flamboyant..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

NO DISRESPECT FOR A SKIN WHO, WHEN HEALTHY, WAS THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE ENTIRE TEAM FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

Let him fade with dignity!

Posted by: keedrow | February 28, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If it seems like I went overboard on the blocking stuff it's because I was trying to explain to some Dolt that Portis was absolutely not afraid of contact.

How can anyone who watched Clinton Portis play RB say he was afraid of contact?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It seems like most of the RBs ran slower than expected. This is oddly enough good news for us. A lot of these guys could fall into the 5th round. We should be able to get a reliable RB this year that can play when Torain gets hurt.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 CP moments. Solid list and video of all. That block on Kiwanuka was sick.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/2/28/2020198/5-favorite-clinton-portis-moments-and-a-sincere-farewell#comments

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is the QB next season is going to miss Portis.

He was probably the 2nd most effective pass blocker on the team right behind Trent Williams.

Good luck, Sexy Rexy!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone who watched Clinton Portis play RB say he was afraid of contact?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:57 PM

Honestly did seem more weary of hits after getting bonked in the head a couple years ago.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Clit Port, I think it's in your best interest to just shut up and slip outta town quietly. My question is, what took so gd long? The most overrated player in team history! Make like a Superball and bounce!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Man, you guys have short memories... there were several years that CP was the only bright spot on this offense. No need to dog him out because he's been hurt the last two seasons.

The fact that his first injury was a pulled groin speaks to his off-season work-out program. The same program that probably injured Malcolm Kelly, and Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: truthbeknown | February 28, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't this sound like the tune one of the Malone brothers was singing back in the late 70's or early 80's. Underappreciated, underpaid... and then a month later that $40k or $50k or $90k (whatever it was back then)a year didn't seem so bad? This is all Shantheman. Since when did throwing away money on washed up pro bowlers worry Snyder? The best Portis can do is a deal like Tomlinson got, part time to nurse him thru until the playoffs.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | February 28, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact that his first injury was a pulled groin speaks to his off-season work-out program. The same program that probably injured Malcolm Kelly, and Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: truthbeknown | February 28, 2011 2:14 PM

Sure glad we don't have the Packers conditioning program.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Clit Port, I think it's in your best interest to just shut up and slip outta town quietly. My question is, what took so gd long? The most overrated player in team history! Make like a Superball and bounce!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 2:08 PM

Portis is one of only 8 players IN NFL HISTORY to rush for at least 1,250 yards in a season six times, joining Walter Payton (9), Barry Sanders (9), Jim Brown (7), Emmitt Smith (7), Eric Dickerson (6), Curtis Martin (6) and LaDainian Tomlinson (6).

An overrated list of players?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

C ya, pal. You played hard when healthy, but you were an average running back for most of your time in DC, even though you were paid like a super star the entire time. You should thank Snyder for the rest of your life for paying you the amount of money he did. Any other owner (one that actually know's fball or has people in place who know the game) would have waived bye-bye to you a few years ago or demanded you take a pay cut. It's time to move on. Run your mouth elsewhere. Granted, playing for the Skins under Snyder seems to be a bad experience for most players, but you would always compound the problems.

Posted by: matthewrayman | February 28, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller second fastest LB at 4.53..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, my last one now that CP is gone is Moss, and he'll probably not be resigned!

Look$ like I'm gonna have to $tart buying Jer$eys and making $nyder richer!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone who watched Clinton Portis play RB say he was afraid of contact?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
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No, you're right-he wasn't afraid of contact. In fact, one of the reasons I used to really like Portis was that, in college, Portis was so intimidating, he actually took the hearts of fellow Hurricane RBs Willis McGahee, Jarrett Payton & Frank Gore-by all accounts, they couldn't wait for him to go pro.

....Seriously, Portis actually cracked THEIR confidence with his physicality, true story.

That's what makes him such an enigma-he's physical, when he wants to, he runs hard, and he's only 29, so why is this guy about to be put off the team? A big salary can explain part but not all of it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM

At least you got to wear it for awhile, and didn't waste your money on a DM5 jersey.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what everyone would think of CP if he were to sign with Philly. The Pats and Eagles will have interest in his services.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I still have my Moss jersey to fall back on...aw crap!!

O well, at least I still have Cooley.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction
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You sound like me, my Darrell Green joint is timeless, but my Stephen Davis...ooops...the Jeremiah Trotter, that my cousin (the Burgundy one) and my girlfriend at the time (the white one)bought me( I didn't want Trotter jerseys at all!!)....ooops.
I have a Cooley pullover that was given as a gift....uh-oh.

All I need now is a Michael Westbrook and/or Bobby Wilson jersey to complete the irrelevance.

(Wait, can you imagine seeing someone walking around in a Trotter, Westbrook or Wilson jersey-what could be worse?) :-P

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis is one of only 8 players IN NFL HISTORY to rush for at least 1,250 yards in a season six times, joining Walter Payton (9), Barry Sanders (9), Jim Brown (7), Emmitt Smith (7), Eric Dickerson (6), Curtis Martin (6) and LaDainian Tomlinson (6).
An overrated list of players?

Posted by: Alan4 |

If you give ME the ball enough times I can eventually do the same. Without looking, I guarantee he is LAST on that list in the key stat... that is Yards Per Carry.. Port is FOUR measly yds with the Skins.. which is all that our fans are concerned about. Yes, that souds just lke an overrated player. I have always said bringing him here was a mistake, a fake and a headache.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Clinton. Good luck.

Posted by: j751 | February 28, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

A big salary can explain part but not all of it.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

No way we were going to pay 8.5 mil...I think that alone explains most of it. But I agree with you, there is something else.

I think it's just that the team is going younger and wants to develop new players.

And the fact that like many relationships, sometimes it's just time to move on...

All things being equal we may be able to use his skill set for a year or 2 more, but in the bigger picture I think Shanahan feels he needs to move on and Portis in many ways represents the old guard in DC...a guard Shanny is looking to change.

Same for CP...he has a lot of baggage here and may want a fresh start.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Good riddance.

Posted by: Ve1ostrummer | February 28, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who has seen Clinton pass blocking knows he's not afraid of contact. Don't let one play define his entire career!

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | February 28, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@ WaitingGuilty-Yeah, judging from the updated header, it's a wrap for him...moving on to Torain.

I have Portis going to a team like the Patriots, they like veteran backs.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see iubiquity given the ball 30x in a game so he could get knocked out. Can completely understand not liking Portis for some of his antics but he is one of the very few bright spots we had the last 20 years.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | February 28, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Portis can't stay healthy. That's the price of being 30 at a position that consistently results in the shortest careers.

There is no way the club could bring him back at $7M for 2011 under a salary cap.

It's a shame in a way that Portis was not able to stay healthy and be productive in 2010 because he did get into great shape and was doing what the coaches asked him to do.

So, in that regard Portis was a good teammate last year when it has become apparent that Donovan McNabb and Albert Haynesworth were not.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 28, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It's good to see the backstabbing fans on here..Reminds me of why I'm a blackhearted punk..Keep up the good work , guys..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

my favorite story is today's. his release

This is where I am.

Yeah, he did put up some nice yardage as a redskin.

But S Moss was more valuable to the team during their respective tenures as redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

8.5 is all you need to know.... and it is just time to move on.

I'll always respect CP26 as a great Redskin... that Dude BROUGHT IT ON SUNDAY.

One of my favorite CP26 memories not football related was the video he did with Cooley ram hunting in the woods behind Redskins Park. "One pubic inch"... right after Cooley had inadvertently displayed his mini chauncey all over the internet. Caca was so so stupid... but funny as hell.

I wish him he best, and thank him for the great years of service he gave to the Redskins.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller second fastest LB at 4.53..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 2:24 PM

He ran smooth as silk too.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be surprised if Portis has a great season left in him, but that $8 mil can be better spent elsewhere.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Come on people. Clinton was a solid player for us who was unfortunate to be on some dreadful teams. He was a tough player who did what he was told and was usually a breath of fresh air with some of his off field comments. I wish him the best of luck and hope Torain or Williams can give us that many decent years.

Posted by: VaBroker | February 28, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how fast Skins fans can turn on players who left it on the field in B&G.

I know I can be a pessimistic SOB sometimes, but I pretty much reserve that for players (and coaches) who haven't done squat in B&G. I don't care what they did elsewhere.

To seen continuous bashing here of players like LaVar Arrington, DHall, Portis, and even Riggo.... UFB.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

the Jeremiah Trotter, that my cousin (the Burgundy one) and my girlfriend at the time (the white one)bought me

Let me get this straight, your girlfriend was your white cousin?

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

old, injury-prone RBs? Shanny don't play dat.

Posted by: shanks1 | February 28, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

For his own sake, given the battering to his body esp. the concussions, Portis should just retire and be thankful that he can still walk, see, and enjoy life.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 1:39 PM

Biting vic1's style, right down to the unfunny center.

Posted by: mack1 | February 28, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he did put up some nice yardage as a redskin.

But S Moss was more valuable to the team during their respective tenures as redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 28, 2011 2:57 PM

Portis should have learned from Moss from Moss' secret to longevity ... getting his "tailed clipped."

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

He looked better than Johnson and Parker, but he didn't look better than Torain or K. Williams. I don't want to say anything bad about Portis, but his best days are behind him and he is injury prone. If you take history out of the equation, keeping him around to be a pass blocking running back for a fraction of the season just doesn't seem prudent.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You say he's injury prone, which is true, but you then say he didn't look better than Torain or Williams, but that's false. If he had stayed healthy last year he would have gained close to 1,500 yards.

He was in awesome shape and looked really good when he was healthy.

I agree we can't keep him just to block, then he becomes 1 dimensional and they will send multiple blitzers every time at him.

Cutting him is the right decision, now we just need to know when the right time is to cut other players before our team becomes old like when Vinny and Co. were here.

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 1:44 PM
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Don't know which CP you were watching but the CP I saw was running with his head down and giving two yards and a cloud of dust. He still blocked like a mad man, but his running game had slipped.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I have Portis going to a team like the Patriots, they like veteran backs.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I could see them bringing him in if for no other reason then to pass protect for Brady

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"It's not about the money for me at this stage in my career. It's about winning. I hope to help a team win rings, and that's what I'm looking forward to. Going in onto someone else's team and not having to be worried about Portis, Portis, Portis, and just to be able to contribute in any way I can, that will be a wonderful thing."

--

Unlike his time here in Washington.

It was only about the money.

And once he got his "pockets straight," he couldn't be bothered to come in shape, practice, work hard (even through injuries), or much of anything else focus on winning, or helping his team win rings.

And given his past couple of seasons, I will be very surprised if anyone even gives the Dude a workout, let alone signs him to a regular season roster.

See ya!

Posted by: Vic1 | February 28, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

For his own sake, given the battering to his body esp. the concussions, Portis should just retire and be thankful that he can still walk, see, and enjoy life.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but rumor is his left eye twitches and he sometimes just p*sses his pants. Other than that he's ok!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Shanahan would have kept him for a lower salaray and a reduced role. Portis made the decision to leave.


"Portis said on 106.7 The Fan that the Redskins offered to restructure his contract, but he did not want to return unless he was going to be the primary runner."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/02/redskins-release-portis##ixzz1FHoPeR9e

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Love him or hate him, CP did his thing here in DC.

I thank him for his service and wish him straight pockets wherever he lands.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 28, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Don't know which CP you were watching but the CP I saw was running with his head down and giving two yards and a cloud of dust. He still blocked like a mad man, but his running game had slipped.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

He had about 4 or 5 yards per carry, which is the best in years, so how had his running game slipped? Is it because he took a dive in the St. Louis game?

Remember, you can't comment on the games if you didn't watch them RSH, the rules still apply even though it's the offseason!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Caps Fans- Stecks for Arnott.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have got to be shaping up way off their traditional cap numbers.

I'm sure Carter is on his way out, and hopefully Rabach joins him. That leaves a few potential high salaries like McNabb, DHall, and Landry to work around.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't know which CP you were watching but the CP I saw was running with his head down and giving two yards and a cloud of dust. He still blocked like a mad man, but his running game had slipped.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

He had about 4 or 5 yards per carry, which is the best in years, so how had his running game slipped? Is it because he took a dive in the St. Louis game?

Remember, you can't comment on the games if you didn't watch them RSH, the rules still apply even though it's the offseason!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:16 PM
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Portis averaged 4.2 yards a carry and Torain averaged 4.5 yards a carry. So, with your limited knowledge of mathematics, can you tell me which running back did better?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see iubiquity given the ball 30x in a game so he could get knocked out. Can completely understand not liking Portis for some of his antics but he is one of the very few bright spots we had the last 20 years.

Posted by: ToddStinkston

Surely you jest! Bright spots? Like what, not taking responsibility for his inferior performances or blaming his futility on the Oline. Averaging a whopping 4 YPC or not practicing and playing out of shape? Not leading the team anywhere past first round abyss or his low character profile? What bright spots do you see my man?

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have got to be shaping up way off their traditional cap numbers.

I'm sure Carter is on his way out, and hopefully Rabach joins him. That leaves a few potential high salaries like McNabb, DHall, and Landry to work around.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM
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If and when the salary cap comes back they should be in good shape. Unfortunately for Snyder's wallet, he's paid out a lot of the big money already.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers is now the most tenured Redskin..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sad day to see CP26 gone. Wish he would of restructered his contract to stay on. He is still one of the best if not the best pass blocking backs in the league. Wish him the best.

Posted by: drkeller1 | February 28, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If and when the salary cap comes back they should be in good shape. Unfortunately for Snyder's wallet, he's paid out a lot of the big money already.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This is true. We do have to have some room though. We're going to have about 30% of our team becoming FAs next year. Even if we don't sign our guys we'll need to sign some guys.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Haters of CP in full force.

Portis was great for this team.

It's time to move on, but you guys act like he was some bust.

Idiots.

At this point in time CP's salary is more than his value as a player...simple as that.

Hopefully that cash is used on an offensive lineman.

Quit bashing CP, I bet the guys up here talking shi_ about him would act like 12 year old girls if you saw him out somewhere. "OMG Clinton can I have your autograph?! I remember your games...you were so awesome with the Redskins!"

Punks.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers is now the most tenured Redskin..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

He's done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

...Like what, not taking responsibility for his inferior performances or blaming his futility on the Oline. ...

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM

Portis said a lot of crazy ish over the years, but he was dead on about the Oline. It was absolutely atrocious by pretty much any measure, and I'm astonished you would even mention that example to support your point.

The horrible Oline is a major reason he's a 29 year old wreck.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Punks.

Posted by: iH8dallas"

I like punks, particularly British and German ones..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Awesome Vinny write up over on the Bog.

"Don't pay a lot for over 30 yo players and expect them to last 4 years..."

Brilliance Vincent, shear Brilliance.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers is now the most tenured Redskin..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

He's done.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

John Clay should be available in the 5th round and would make an excellent replacement. just sayin...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:16 PM
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Portis averaged 4.2 yards a carry and Torain averaged 4.5 yards a carry. So, with your limited knowledge of mathematics, can you tell me which running back did better?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

With this last discussion, we weren't talking about who did better, you had made the statement that his running game had slipped.

To me, even with my LIMITED knowledge of mathematics, I can tell that 4.2 is better than the 3.? that he had been putting up most of his career in Washington.

Try and stay on topic, nice try though....

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hahahaha!! Charlie Sheen is my dawg, I hate AA, too, whatta pack of hijacked mind-controlled drones, hahhaha!!

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

To P1funk.
Don't be an idiot. Portis is one of the toughest players in the league and one of the best blocking backs. He went down not because of the contact but because he had a wrist injury and he feared that with contact he would fumble the ball. All you Portis haters don 't haver a clue about football. When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

BOOM!!!

post combine draft prediction

R1: Cameron Jordan
R2: Jerrell Powe
R5: Casey Matthews
R5: John Clay
R6: Chris Culliver
R7: Ollie Ogbu
R7: Mark Dell

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

All you Portis haters don 't haver a clue about football. When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't haver a cluer either!

Have a good dayer!!! hahaha
SPG out!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Damn, the US just seized $30 BILLION from El Qaddafi..That should buy a lot of weaponry for the military..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Cameron Jordan at one makes me think PAskinsfan17 is secretly an Eagle..Only way he would go for that 5 sack a year slowpoke..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This is true. We do have to have some room though. We're going to have about 30% of our team becoming FAs next year. Even if we don't sign our guys we'll need to sign some guys.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse
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This team needed a good hose down anyway. We are not going to be able to build a contender around the Fletcher/Carter/Rabach contingent, so let's just move on.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse
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Denver. Next!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Cameron Jordan at one makes me think PAskinsfan17 is secretly an Eagle..Only way he would go for that 5 sack a year slowpoke..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

You mean the slow poke that just ran a 4.71 at the combine? The guy that impressed all the scouts with his interviews? The guy that dominated the senior bowl? The guy that got 5 sacks from the defensive end position in a 3-4? Are you talking about the guy that put up similar numbers in the same system as the guy taken at #8 overall last year? Do you mean the guy listed as the #12 best prospect by CBS Sports? If you are then that guy is Cameron Jordan.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM

Not the last few years but he ran behind a 6x pro bowler in Samuels and an underrated Jon Jansen.

No excuses need to be made for CP. He had 4 great years here out of his 7 and much like the guy he was traded for...His best years were in Denver.

I liked CP, he gave it all on the field but him trying to turn him self into a groundhog in the open field was a joke.

I wonder if he ever paid Ifeanyi Ohalete for the #26 jersey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

frak, 4.71 for a 286 pound guy....Cam Jordan/JJ Watt both put up impressive times today...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

the US just seized $30 BILLION from El Qaddafi..

We just froze the funds we didn't seize them. Now they'll be colder than Monk's fries.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Remembering Clinton:

Unfulfilled potential.

And yes, the quality of the offensive line and ownership/management team had a whole lot to do with it.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse
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Denver. Next!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Bwahahaha!! Knew that was coming and it's still funny..

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Remembering Clinton:

Unfulfilled potential.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse
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You said it. Most powerful man in America and you pick Lewinski to get your rocks off?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

the US just seized $30 BILLION from El Qaddafi..

We just froze the funds we didn't seize them. Now they'll be colder than Monk's fries.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse
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Bank of America is down. Coincidence?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

John Clay should be available in the 5th round and would make an excellent replacement. just sayin...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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Ooooh, I want to believe that, but....

Wisconsin and Penn State wear out the legs/bodies of their running backs with their too basic running games. All of the dive plays, I-formation and power-running plays cause so many backs coming from Big Ten schools to lose the pop and explosion in their legs. They also get hit on their hips too much, further diminishing their explosion.

Again, Big Ten schools all seem to do this, but the Badgers and Nittany Lions take the cake, they are notorious for sending in failures at RB.

I'm trying to be fair, but I can't think of any RBs other than Michael Bennett or Larry Johnson who's succeeded in the NFL coming from Wisconsin or Penn State in the last 20-odd years. Bennett had 4.2 speed, so while at Wis. he didn't get hit so much in the legs and Johnson was a part-time starter at Penn State and left early, helping to save his body.

Again, I want to like Clay, in fact, I do, but I wouldn't pick him. When he first got to Wisconsin, he looked like the second coming of Ricky Williams...no joke. Watching him the last two years, however, Clay looks like Ron Dayne...no exaggeration.

Plus, Clay is too heavy now, IMO. When he started out at Wis. he was listed at about 233lbs, now he's listed at 250-255lbs. The extra weight, along with constantly being hit on the hips and legs because of the he-man, no-frills run-game mentality of Big Ten programs sends up all types of red flags for me.

I'm rooting for us to take Carimi, the OL and make him a guard, while I don't love Wisconsin's RBs, I looooove their O-linemen and would take one in a minute, patting myself on the back the whole time.

....like your mock, particularly Casey Matthews and Culliver.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

We just froze the funds we didn't seize them. Now they'll be colder than Monk's fries.

Posted by: wireman65

CNN said "Seize"..Like I would "Seize" Kerrigan or Phil Taylor over marginal passrusher C. Jordan in a heart seizure minute..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Clay measured in at 330-something at the combine. But a 4.8 40. I would have no problem taking him. More over i really hope that we take someone at RB in the draft.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else following Portis out of Redskins Park? Sellers?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

He was a great back even though he came with baggage off the field.

But anybody who thinks we should pay him 8 million after playing less than half the games the last two years is a joke.

His offers are going to be 1 year 2 million range. And not as primary back. His ego is going to have a shock attack.

Posted by: sruppert | February 28, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised to see John Clay of Wisconsin tried at FB.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

When you're getting walked down from behind like he did against KC, and the last Giants game he participated in, and you're falling down before anyone touches you... It's time to take a seat. I guess Clinton was ahead of us on this because that's precisely looked like what he did against the Rams.
Can we put the Champ deal to rest..?
If not for an injury or two Clinton Portis is the Skins all time leading rusher by far. Trading a corner away for your 2nd all time leading rusher and one of your long time staples on offense, I'd say is fair. Aside from that we all know why Champ had to get out of town forreal. He had an issue keeping little champ in his place. That was a move to save his family.

Posted by: RobAnthony | February 28, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for us to take Carimi, the OL and make him a guard, while I don't love Wisconsin's RBs, I looooove their O-linemen and would take one in a minute, patting myself on the back the whole time.

....like your mock, particularly Casey Matthews and Culliver.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I will never complain about taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round. EVEN IF THERE'S A FIRE!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

if we're taking a fb, then its gotta be henry hynoski from pitt...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 28, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

What I'll remember about the Portis years:

The future Hall of Fame CB AND 2nd round pick traded for him.

The TD on his very first carry as a Skin.

Eastern Motors, where your job is your credit LOL

And the years of losing ... no matter who the GM, coach, QB, players, free agents and rookies here.

Posted by: morrisday1 | February 28, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Clay measured in at 330-something at the combine. But a 4.8 40. I would have no problem taking him. More over i really hope that we take someone at RB in the draft.

Posted by: Stu27
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330 Pounds?? Seriously?

Oh man...I'm stunned....330lbs....wooooow.

Guess, I would go to my back-up plan, waiting for the Giants to release Brandon Jacobs, who's asked to be traded and who the Giants can't afford to pay anyhow. Plus, signing him will keep him from running over our defense for a change.

I would also try to pluck Mathias Kiwanuka, their talented DE/LB who's caught up in a number game with them. His contract is up also. Between Umenyiora, Tuck, Pierre-Paul and Kiwanuka, they have too many DEs and can't possibly afford to keep them all.
Kiwanuka has been the 'isht' to me since he was at Boston College reminding me of Bruce Smith, I was pressed for us to pick him when he came out.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

FOX5Feldy Dave Feldman
Clinton Portis just told me he has not closed door on coming back to skins at reduced salary. Unlikely but he said all options open


We have Darryl Young and Sellers is still a stellar special teamer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Guys, we have a fullback....Darryl Young.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I will never complain about taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round. EVEN IF THERE'S A FIRE!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas
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I feel you...you know, in all the giddiness about all the possible permutations coming up for this year's draft, if we took O-linemen with our first 3 picks, I would be happy as hell. Even if we took one at 10, cool beans with me.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Peace out Hankity Jankity, you are washed up and over-rated.

Posted by: wburn42167 | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

frak, scouting reports and analysis like that are a dime a dozen. You gotta read them all. Jordan may have been slow that day when that particular scout wrote his report but most other scouts would disagree with that. He killed at the combine. He killed at the senior bowl. He's a legit top 15 pick.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-01/2011-nfl-draft/story/defensive-linemen-show-off-at-nfl-scouting-combine

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Noel Devine had more bench reps then Mark Ingram. muahahahahaha....
If anyone is interested in a change of speed back Noel can certainly do that too.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 28, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis said a lot of crazy ish over the years, but he was dead on about the Oline. It was absolutely atrocious by pretty much any measure, and I'm astonished you would even mention that example to support your point.

The horrible Oline is a major reason he's a 29 year old wreck.

Posted by: Alan4 |

That's a tedious and overused excuse. No, we didn't have the best Oline but the great ones can make their own yards.. a la Barry Sanders. Same terrible Oline that he averaged his usual mediocre 4 ypc, Betts averaged 4.7.. something Portis NEVER did in Wash. Port was an average back at best. I am not blinded by team.. I just outline the facts.. make of it what you will.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I will never complain about taking an offensive lineman in the 1st round. EVEN IF THERE'S A FIRE!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas
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I feel you...you know, in all the giddiness about all the possible permutations coming up for this year's draft, if we took O-linemen with our first 3 picks, I would be happy as hell. Even if we took one at 10, cool beans with me.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Most important guys on the field.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

He went down to protect the ball because he thought he felt a strip coming...give me a break tough guy.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse


So, he "thought" he felt a strip coming.

Gotcha.

And how is that different from being afraid of contact?

I guess he's good to run, so long as he doesn't "think" anyone is going to actually touch him.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

When you "feel" a strip coming you cover up with both hands, you don't slide into second base. I wouldn't go so far as to say he was afraid of contact(he was the best backfield blocking back in the league) but you can't slide in the open field. Come on, man!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Now if they could dump Fat Albert and Dan Snyder that quick...

Posted by: cbmuzik | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Guess, I would go to my back-up plan, waiting for the Giants to release Brandon Jacobs, who's asked to be traded and who the Giants can't afford to pay anyhow. Plus, signing him will keep him from running over our defense for a change.

I would also try to pluck Mathias Kiwanuka, their talented DE/LB who's caught up in a number game with them. His contract is up also. Between Umenyiora, Tuck, Pierre-Paul and Kiwanuka, they have too many DEs and can't possibly afford to keep them all.
Kiwanuka has been the 'isht' to me since he was at Boston College reminding me of Bruce Smith, I was pressed for us to pick him when he came out.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse
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Right. Let's snap up other teams fading stars who already have a ring and want to get paid.

It's time to remove the beer holder from your armchair.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

John Clay was part of a plan that I came up with to add a guy that can take some carries if Torain gets hurt again. We also need a change of pace back and we'd like to have a third down back for pass pro and to catch out of the backfield. The problem is that we should only have 3 RBs on the roster. I was thinking:

RB
Ryan Torain
Keiland Williams
Some super fast speedy guy

FB
John Clay

I wouldn't want him as the feature back. I'd want him as a FB that could play RB in a pinch.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

To see continuous bashing here of players like LaVar Arrington, DHall, Portis, and even Riggo.... UFB.

Posted by: Alan4

Who was bashing Riggo? Lemme at 'em!

I never could warm up to Portis, but he did give us a few good years. (Though three out of seven ain't what I'm looking for in a RB.) I don't wish him any ill will, but his problem has always been that he is clueless. Clueless about his body, clueless about practice habits, clueless about why so many people don't like him. He is already trying to dictate how he will be used by his next coach, just like AH.

Somehow, I don't see Belichick or anyone else using him as the featured solo back next season.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 28, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Now if they could dump Fat Albert and Dan Snyder that quick...

Posted by: cbmuzik | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM

+1

Posted by: skinswest | February 28, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Some notes looking over the 2011 linebacker group from day three at the NFL combine. Wes Bunting

• Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller was timed in the sub-4.5 range according to some stopwatches in attendance at the NFL combine and was a real standout during positional drills. He was fluid, cleanly got out of his breaks and possessed a good closing burst throughout. Miller is the most NFL ready pass rusher in the draft and I can’t see him making it past the top 6-picks at this stage.

Ayers had an inconsistent day at the Combine.
• I wasn’t overly impressed with the 4.83 40-time put up by UCLA’s Akeem Ayers Monday. However, when watching him throughout positional drills he displayed natural change of direction skills, had a real burst to his game and looked very athletic for his size. Honestly, based off the drills and tape alone, I would have said the guy runs in the 4.6 range. Therefore, in my mind you can’t read too much into his slower 40, as he clearly plays faster than he times.

• One prospect who made himself some money this week was Illinois LB Martez Wilson. Wilson didn’t quite have the type of natural bend to his game as a guy like Ayers. However, he ran much better 40 (high 4.4 range), was still fluid for his size when asked to open up his hips during position drills and overall could now get some looks in that late first round range as an intriguing 3-4 rush backer.

• The more I watch Georgia DE Justin Houston try to hold up in the space, the less I think the guy is a 3-4 OLB. Now don’t get me wrong, Houston can rush the passer. He timed in the high 4.6 range today, was explosive off the football and is natural from a three-point stance. However, I don’t think he has the type of natural agility in his drop to hold up in coverage at the next level.

• Another guy who seemed a bit tight during workouts today was UNC linebacker Quan Sturdivant. He didn’t demonstrate a real burst when asked to get out of his breaks and seemed to almost fight himself trying to get back up to speed. Sturdivant wasn’t overly fluid either and didn’t possess great short area quickness in any area of the game.

• Finally, one guy who I think is going to be a real mid/late round steal for a cover two team is Ohio State’s Brian Rolle. The undersized linebacker ran in the 4.6 range, was fluid/balanced during positional drills and really possesses a good burst to his game. He isn’t going to be much more than a nickel backer on most team’s draft boards, but the guy can run and hit with the best of them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Portis gave his all and played great ball. He played hurt, he tore himself up, he stopped blitzers. I wish his body could have held up, we will miss him. I hope he makes it to a contender and gets to the playoffs. Just hope he can get himself set as a change of pace, or third down back. His body just will not allow for him to be a future back.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | February 28, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Another big mouth whinner....
GONE !
YES!!

Posted by: 10bestfan | February 28, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, thnx for the clips. On those 40 times, do they have the splits at 10? The more I read/see/hear about Von Miller, the more I get excited about him falling to the Skins and the less I think it will happen. The reason I ask about the splits is b/c Akeem Ayers is my plan B (today anyway).

I just get the feeling that the best guy available to the Skins is going to be a receiver ... and it wouldn't be bad to take a receiver if it was Julio Jones.

Also, if the Skins DO use the top pick on a rushing OLB, then I think they should slide Lorenzo Alexander back over to the offensive side of the line of scrimmage. This time at fullback.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse


CNN said "Seize"..Like I would "Seize" Kerrigan or Phil Taylor over marginal passrusher C. Jordan in a heart seizure minute..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-
dyn/content/article/2011/02/28/AR2011022802797.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: wireman65 | February 28, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

My modified Scout, Inc's Sampler, but I'd take AJ Green..Think about it, the Cardinals and Bills of the world are STARVING for a top QB..Could be 3-5 QBs taken before 10..Orakpo fell to us gratuitously - It'll happen again..Top DL are preferrable, but if we take Carimi, Solder or Costanzo, that'd be nice..

1. Da'Quan Bowers* DE Clemson 97
2. Nick Fairley DT Auburn 97
4. A.J. Green* WR Georgia 97
5. Von Miller OLB Texas A&M 97
7. Marcell Dareus* DT Alabama 96
17. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin 92
24. Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue 90
9. Robert Quinn* DE N. Carolina 95
32. Phil Taylor DT Baylor 88
12. Nate Solder OT Colorado 94
Co25. Anthony Castonzo OT Boston ll 994
23. J.J. Watt* DE Wi
11. Corey Liuget* DT Illinois sconsin 90
13. Julio Jones*WR Alabama 94
14. Tyron Smith* OT USC 93
15. Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa 93
16. Aldon Smith* DE Missouri 92
21. Mike Pouncey C Florida 91
22. Muhammad Wilkerson* DE Temple 91


* denotes draft-eligible underclassman

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@mattsoundworld

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Uh, I don't know Matt, I think Jacobs still has energy in those legs, his beef with the Giants is that he wants to play more and doesn't want to share time with Bradshaw.

Perhaps Jacobs looks so good because the Skins do not enjoy tackling him at all, so he looks better than he is, I'll allow for that. I would try to acquire him before I would draft Clay, though.

Kiwanuka is almost untapped potential-the Giants are wasting this kid having him play LB, he's a natural 3-4 DE, that's what he played at BC. The Giants have piled up too many players at one position, so we should "help" them & take him off their hands the way they "helped" us by plucking A.Pierce off of the Skins'. This dude can play, hell, he almost took Tuck's job when he was hurt a few years ago, stopped only by his own injury. Plus, he has a non-stop motor, he's a hustler.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Portis on-the-field moments were the ones when he would grab the back of Sellers pants/belt and ride the Sellers-Portis dogsled for a safe 7-8 yards outside to the right. I think Randy Thomas might have been the actual first dog on that sled team, but it seemed like a reliable first down when the Skins were around their own 30.

Also, best pass blocking RB in the NFL. Ever.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Kiwanuka is almost untapped potential...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM

Eli Manning is tapped unpotential.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he can go back to the sixth grade and finish his education....

Posted by: grossman2 | February 28, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

A CP26 edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

The exit doors are open at Redskins Park and many big name players will pass through them in the near future. Few however, will have the complex legacy of Clinton Portis, magnificent in some ways, a disaster in others. Nothing about CP26 was average. My perspectives of CP26.

The trade. Yeah, Denver got the better of it, though it was quality for quality, and Bailey was leaving town anyway.

Sunday effort. Portis would give you everything he had on Sunday. But that isn’t the whole story.

Monday thru Saturday effort. Portis compromised his career by failing to prepare himself properly. He had an aversion to practice, citing a need to take care of his body. He said he knew what was best for him. He was only half right. Portis cost himself and the team significantly at times: too often out of synch with the offense, and especially in 2009, when he simply was not in football shape.

Diva? Yes. But he was a diva that you could work with. He undermined Jim Zorn. Who deserved it. But it still shouldn’t have happened.

Blocking. Special. An RB can block effectively without being spectacular. Portis was was both. There was something wonderfully visceral about his head hunting attitude. He’d block big guys in the backfield, then hustle downfield to lay people out. No doubt it added to the wear and tear on him. It was great to see, but more importantly, he was effective. His blocking was huge plus.

Leadership. His stint with the personalities was funny and positive – it helped the team. His ST21 tribute was touching. And there were the multi-game stretches where his brilliant running carried the team. But when things went wrong, too often Portis was leading the swirl in the wrong direction.

Use. Portis was a 12 game starter in a league that plays 16 games. Though he did get stronger in a few seasons, I always felt Portis would have benefitted from perhaps 4 games a year where he wasn’t the feature back. There was little effort to keep him fresh and in several seasons, he was so beat up by the end, he simply couldn’t carry the load.

Style. For a time, Gibbs and Portis weren’t on the same page. That got corrected, though it was never a perfect fit. He ran behind OLs that ranged from good (but never great) to horrid. Behind a good OL, Portis was one of the more effective ‘pound the rock’ runners in the game. He was a ‘December’ style runner – when grit and attitude are more valuable than shake and bake. Around the goal line, Portis was money. At his best, he was old school.

What next? I wrote earlier about him taking a Kevin Faulk-type role. He’d be good at if he’d apply himself to it. It won’t happen and he’ll likely exit the game in a year or 2, with little fanfare.

HOF? Coulda been a contender. As it is, not close.

There’s your ‘end of the CP26 era’ edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I predict we take Noel Devine in the draft later rds.. Him, and train will be a great 1-2 punch! He's freakin fast!

Posted by: SteveOman | February 28, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I give CP my best. The guy did a good job when healthy and this is a "what have you done for me lately arena". No need carrying a guy his age with a huge cap number and injuries. If he were younger without the big salary (ala Malcom Kelly) then you might wanna keep him around and give him a "last" shot. I would like to see the Skins bring him back at a lower salary, that is of course, if his preparation and work ethic is sound, allow him and Torrain to duke it out in camp. Think about it now. With no CP around, where else will we find such brilliant oratorical eloquence, ala "mouth running at NASCAR speed -- brain in neutral. Ya never know what's coming out of CP's mouth.

Posted by: norsad | February 28, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Zeke.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 28, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a twitter account set up to follow all things Redskins.

Nothing from his teammates!!!

Posted by: psssst | February 28, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

predict we take Noel Devine in the draft later rds.. Him, and train will be a great 1-2 punch! He's freakin fast!

Posted by: SteveOman | February 28, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Now we're cooking with gas.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?


This is an open letter from the "Things That Don't Add Up Department"


To wit:

Portis didn't have a great offensive line, but somehow became the 2nd best running back in the history of the franchise.

Now that just don't add up.

Either he was that good as a redskin or the numbers are lying.

And they don't

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a twitter account set up to follow all things Redskins.

Nothing from his teammates!!!

Posted by: psssst | February 28, 2011 4:53 PM

Yes, very weird.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo fell to us gratuitously - It'll happen again ...

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM

This is how A.J. Green might be the choice ... or, if Green is there, how Skins find a partner who wants to trade up.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Uh, I don't know Matt...

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse
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If Jacobs is cut, fine, give him an offer, but they are all looking for their last major contract due to age, and they are going to want a lot of years and significant guarantees to offset injury.

I just don't see any of them as good value. Kiwanuka/Umenyiora have had injury questions, but both will expect top dollar on the FA market, and we just aren't one DE away from winning it all.

These are the kind of moves that have gotten us into trouble in the past.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 28, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskins fan since the early 70s. It breaks my heart to see Portis leave but he hasn't been happy with the team for some time. Since the demise of Cooke, the team hasn't looked good. They need to clean house from top to bottom.

Posted by: skinfreak | February 28, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"HOF? Coulda been a contender. As it is, not close."

Watch him rebirth with the Patriots or somewhere (hard blocker for Brady?), and have a resurgence..It seems to be a habit of Skins cast-offs..

Sorry about the erosion of logic last night, Zeke..You ever hear of the punk band ,"Zeke"?? Saw them in Eugene..They were freakin' hysteric, throwing insults at the audience and rawkin' hard..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I think devine is up to around 180 lbs now. I hope he's still fast.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 28, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

good bye jerome(not from S.E.).....you had good moments, you had dumb moments. i don't think i'll miss you. looking for players that want to practice and be a part of the team and not on such an ego trip......memo to synder, oh heck, he never reads them anyway......

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 28, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy for Clinton. Hopefully he'll go to the Colts. Peyton will love this guy.
He still has a little sumtin..sumtin left in the tank. Get the H out of D.C. Clinton. The Skins are lost under the Shanny's. Run..Portis...run!!

I hate the Skins under Shanahan! He's a pure idiot. Should have heard him at the combines yesterday. Sound like an old old man out of his league. We are finished here in D.C.!!!

Posted by: kentonsmith | February 28, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

but can he still do those great Eastern Motors commercials?

Posted by: redsky28 | February 28, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM

Interesting point about Big 10 rb's. Joe Pa has been chewing them up for decades, with no end in sight. What keeps that geezer going? I'm half his age and I'm ready to retire right now.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 28, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

He turned into a fat, slow tailback, he was a thug from the U that had some good years.
Horrible trade for Champ Bailey, who had multiple pro bowl years with Denver.

Posted by: steveiev | February 28, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

That's a tedious and overused excuse. No, we didn't have the best Oline but the great ones can make their own yards.. a la Barry Sanders. Same terrible Oline that he averaged his usual mediocre 4 ypc, Betts averaged 4.7.. something Portis NEVER did in Wash. Port was an average back at best. I am not blinded by team.. I just outline the facts.. make of it what you will.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 4:23 PM

I personally think Sanders was the best of all time, so it's silly to use him as a benchmark for "great" running backs.

Emmitt Smith is a better example of an upper tier RB you can compare Portis to, but Smith had a better O-line and a more compete team most of his career. And similar yards per carry as Portis.

Anyway, if Portis was just an average back as you put it, we should have no problems replacing him. Let's see how that works out.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
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What do you think about Jacquiz Rodgers(Oregon State), Noel Devine (WVU)and my Dion Lewis from Pitt?

Rodgers reminds me of Jahvid Best, maybe not as fast.

Devine reminds me of M. Jones-Drew.

Lewis reminds me of a pocket LaDainian Tomlinson, very swivel-hipped in the hole, elite vision, elite feet, shifty more quick than fast.

Like you, I think it's a good idea to have a super-fast, quick change-of-pace squirt for a running back. None of these guys are exactly LeSean McCoy as far as catching passes, but not too many backs are.

Whatcha' think? I know there's some more (Nic Grigsby, AZ?) but in terms of the Skins' draft positioning, we might have a chance at one of these guys in the fourth round. Dion Lewis could be the steal of the draft.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"HOF? Coulda been a contender. As it is, not close."

Watch him rebirth with the Patriots or somewhere (hard blocker for Brady?), and have a resurgence..It seems to be a habit of Skins cast-offs..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 4:59 PM

Did a ZEKE'S column while Portis was out in midseason suggesting he consider becoming a Kevin Faulk type player -- Faulk had a nice second act with the Pats.

I think he'd do really well in that role, but he'd have to embrace it and I don't think he's wired that way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Same terrible Oline that he averaged his usual mediocre 4 ypc, Betts averaged 4.7.. something Portis NEVER did in Wash.

Posted by: iubiquity | February 28, 2011 4:23 PM

I personally think Sanders was the best of all time, so it's silly to use him as a benchmark for "great" running backs.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 28, 2011 5:10 PM

Its also silly to compare Ladell "Butterfingers" Betts' garbage time yards to Portis real time grinding yards.

Why all the hate for Portis? Because of his costume charisma? The guy was outstanding at chip blocking, downfield blocking, pass protection, and (when healthy) those 4.0 yards. Skins fans should be giving the guy an engraved gold watch (and a ham sandwich) and a holiday cruise, not grave dancing.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanny allready highlighted what we need.

This yr is olb, nt, de, a fs(or cb is barnes stays at fs)on defense, then the offense needs 2 og/c n a wr or 2.

Thats 4 new starters on both sides of the ball... About 1/3 turnover from last yr.

This yr n nezt we gotta add our core guys, in BOTH FA & DRAFT!

You cant have one with out the other...

Rnd1 - miller/quinn/ayers/kerrigan
Rnd 2 - phil talyor/ powe
5-casey matthews/ sands fs from wvu
5 - john moffit og from WISCoN
5- noel devine
6- og/cb/wr
7- bpa
7- bpa

Thoughts

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Best wishes to Clinton Portis. Probably a smart move on his part to get away from the Shanahan drama/saga!

His 6,000 plus yards during a great career have taken a toll and it will be interesting to see if he can click with another team. With a good year of conditioning he may very well have two more good years to give to another franchise. A good fit would be Phoenix.

Posted by: 15of18 | February 28, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy for Portis. Getting out of this hell hole of an organization is the best thing that could happen for him.

Hopefully he goes to a contender and can achieve the success that eluded him here.

The Redskins are a career killer. I feel sorry for anyone drafted by them. However, I am sure their agents will give them good advice tell them to just bide their time until they can leave and play for a real team.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 28, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Rnd1 - miller/quinn/ayers/kerrigan
Rnd 2 - phil talyor/ powe
5-casey matthews/ sands fs from wvu
5 - john moffit og from WISCoN
5- noel devine
6- og/cb/wr
7- bpa
7- bpa

Thoughts

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM

BPA with all picks, esp. at the positions of OLB, NT, DE, FS/CB, OG/C, and WR ... and that Shanahan is going to draft a QB.

Posted by: dcsween | February 28, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Clinton, you were like an old girlfriend...sometimes good and sometimes bad.
But unlike an old girlfriend, if you ever want to do it again--meaning sign another contract, obvioulsly a one-year-vet-min, our doors are open.

Signed, Mike Shan.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 28, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

jacquizz Rogers is 5'6 196 and only ran 4.64 40. Shockingly slow.

Noel Devine didn't run but at 5'7 179 but put up 225 24x

Dion Lewis 5'7 193 and ran a 4.57

The guy that might be a get in the late RDs is Mario Fannin from Auburn. 5'10 231 4.37 40.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Shanny allready highlighted what we need.

This yr is olb, nt, de, a fs(or cb is barnes stays at fs)on defense, then the offense needs 2 og/c n a wr or 2.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, and I like your picks...but due to the fact that Shanahan has publicly outlined the above needs, I am left to conclude that we will not draft any of those positions!!!

Joking-Kind of.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Portis. May your life be like a roll of toilet paper: long and useful--except in the NFC East.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 28, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, my ZEKE'S column on Portis becoming a 3rd down back a la Kevin Faulk is posted under the entry at:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/clinton-portis/injured-clinton-portis-practic.html

It covers what Faulk has done, why I think it'd be a good fit for CP and how its his best shot for the HOF.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Interesting point about Big 10 rb's. Joe Pa has been chewing them up for decades, with no end in sight. What keeps that geezer going? I'm half his age and I'm ready to retire right now.


Posted by: NYPDee
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Penn St. is a bizarre program.

On the one hand, they can recruit with any one. I mean ANYONE in college football.

On the one hand, Penn State's draft prospects test highly, they often pass the 'walking through the airport' eye-ball test. Penn St. players rarely bring up the rear at the Combine

On the one hand, Penn St. has been successful long enough to be considered a traditional power.

And we know, they can produce linebackers & interior OLs.

But, on the other hand....

The inability of Penn St to develop a quarterback other than Kerry Collins or an innovative, effective passing attack has kept the program at second-tier national status.

Though their players pass the eyeball test-Penn State players can best be described as "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane".

The lack of meaningful, intense games means that their players though talented, are oftentimes not tested in big-time, taut games-once you get up on Penn St. by about 14 points, it's a wrap, they don't do comebacks.

Like G'town in basketball, the habit of ducking tough opponents early in the season has the double-whammy effect of not allowing PSU program to test itself in early, taut games AND the players never gain the swagger, the arrogance that other programs have.

I used to think that Miami and Florida St. shouldn't play each other so early in their seasons(the losing school often swoons about the loss for about the next 3 games). However, after remembering what happens to a school like PSU, that refuses to play those type of games early, I've shut-up with that observation.

But, they can recruit though. It's the one thing Paterno can still do well. The problem is with skills development, guys just don't develop into good football players at PSU, they come in as good prospects and leave as good prospects, nothing more.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Finally...

A coach/GM has the nuts enough to recognize an aging, past his prime RB.

Finally...

Some fiscal responsibility in not paying a 29 year old RB 8 million dollars who has not played a full season in two years.

Having said that...I wish Portis well. For those that think we got the short end of the deal...you are idiots. We rode Portis to 2 playoff appearances. Comparing Portis's longevity to Bailey's is apples and oranges. They don't play the same position.

I, for one, hated the "Portis" rules...practice when you want, play when you want, come out of the game when you want.

Thanks for the memories Clinton....PEACE!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take...could be describing Notre Dame as well.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Sween

I think bpa at those poaitions for sure, depending on whos available.

I dont wanna see us draft the 5th best dt/nt when the 2nd bst wr or 1st best og is available

I think the shanny smoke screen is mcnabb. I have a feelin he may have another yr here. We got too many needs for 1yr n esp too many needs for a qb. I think next yr we get our franchise guy. Itll be a 1st rnd pic wether this yr or nxt.

Waiting guilty

I agree wthat what shanny has said publicly may mean hes goin comolete opposite but who knows. Im sure we will have a ton of time to debate also.

Everyone...... Anyone thinkin jj watt will be around in rnd 2?? He looks like he could produce for us

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Ah...I'd take that bet on whether McNabb would be here. I think he's as good as gone.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley just left ESPN's NFC Beast blog, so maybe Southeast Jerome could take over. Thanks for the memories, CP.

Posted by: swowra | February 28, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Draft eligible quarterbacks for 2012, not a bad class...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=436808

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley just left ESPN's NFC Beast blog, so maybe Southeast Jerome could take over. Thanks for the memories, CP.

Posted by: swowra | February 28, 2011 5:54 PM

In a recent chat, someone asked Mosley what the Skins could expect in a trade for Albert and McNabb. His response: a subscription to the Washington City paper.

Funny stuff, even if he was in a little too deep for the 'pukes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44
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Rodgers 40 time is sloooow. That'll cost him. Unless his shuttle time was quick- he just became a 5-7th rounder with that time.

Not suprised by Devine, sigh, we just don't have the picks lined up properly for him, using a second rounder on him with all of our issues is unwise, yet expecting him to be there when we pick in the 4th might be unrealistic.

Fannin's numbers (4.37 @ 230lbs) are ridiculous, put me on the "draft THIS guy" bandwagon.
If I'm not mistaken, the last guy to come in with similar numbers was Jonathan Stewart of the Panthers, so that's a good look for him.

Sort of why I don't like the read-option offense in college-only the QB gets the glory, though I remember some quality runs by Auburn backs during the Championship game. I can't remember if it was Fannin who had those great runs on the championship drive, but if it was, he showed good leg drive, balance and above all, desire.

This draft is delicious, we have multiple picks in what the 5th? We may need to take both plus either the 6th or 7th and move into the third, I have a sneaking suspicion that the 3rd round is where the gold is going to be this year.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

In a recent chat, someone asked Mosley what the Skins could expect in a trade for Albert and McNabb. His response: a subscription to the Washington City paper.

Funny stuff, even if he was in a little too deep for the 'pukes.

Posted by: zcezcest1

co-sign. He had that southern charm, a bit of humor, pretty good analysis even given a slight bias to his home team. Interested to see who will fill his role over there.

Posted by: swowra | February 28, 2011 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Kid Bro Sweets?!!?? Was a nice ride sir, thank you for your time in DC and enduring all the nonsense these last 7 years...

Posted by: chop1 | February 28, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers 40 time is sloooow. That'll cost him. Unless his shuttle time was quick- he just became a 5-7th rounder with that time.

Not suprised by Devine, sigh, we just don't have the picks lined up properly for him, using a second rounder on him with all of our issues is unwise, yet expecting him to be there when we pick in the 4th might be unrealistic.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011
6:01 PM |

Did I miss something? Last I checked we don't have a 4th.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter is the next guy to go. Skins should take a look at Marcus Spears, he's an ex-cowboy but a good 3-4 DE that's only 27.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Shanny allready highlighted what we need.

This yr is olb, nt, de, a fs(or cb is barnes stays at fs)on defense, then the offense needs 2 og/c n a wr or 2.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Shanny mentioned something about finding a qb on offense as well. From what I've seen on twitter and heard on the radio from Redskins "insiders" there's a strong contingent that want to draft defense with the #10 pick, and then a qb in round 2.

Posted by: TWISI | February 28, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011
6:01 PM |

Did I miss something? Last I checked we don't have a 4th.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 6:08 PM |

Think you missed a ride on ArmchairGM's golden unicorn.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think that we can trade 2 of our 5th rounders for a 3rd?
Is that too maddenesque

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | February 28, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes...it's called instincts and field awareness. Maybe if you'd ever played a sport you'd understand.

Since you like to question NFL players toughness, maybe that means you've watched some NFL games. If you have you'd likely have heard many announcers and ex players and coaches lament how many times trying to stay upright for another yard or 2 is not worth it and if you are at the end of a good gain it's smart to go down if you can;t take it all the way to the end zone.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse


Dude, you are RIDICULOUS.

His great instincts and field-awareness, got his arse parked promptly on the bench that game in the second half b/c Shanny didn't know WTH he was doing and thought he might have gotten hurt.

You're explanation that it was a move of superior intelligence and awareness is just alarmingly lame.

If it was such a great move, how come we don't see NFL backs taking dives in the open field when they see tacklers coming more often. I've watched plenty of football games in my life and I've never seen a RB take a dive without contact b/c he was afraid of getting the ball stripped. Have you? Can you name one other single instance of that happening?

CP took a dive and there was a collective national "WTH is he doing?"

And between Shanny saying CP did it b/c his hand was injured, and CP saying he did it b/c he was coached to do so; it of course turned into a national joke.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/clinton-portis/clinton-portis-says-he-fell-on.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Why-did-Clinton-Portis-take-a-dive-in-the-middle?urn=nfl-272973

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting take...could be describing Notre Dame as well.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty
~~~
True, true. I think all of these teams( Big Ten, ND) are making each other weaker, the sooner one of them becomes a juggernaut, the better all of them will be.

I really think that about the ACC, North Carolina is loaded, LOADED, but because the rest of the conference is weak, they don't get tested in the types of tough, taut games they need to draw the greatness out of their players.

Right now, the Tarheels are like 1998-2002era Hurricanes, in that you can go there and get a player or two at every position. But, those Canes' had the Gators, Hokies and Seminoles as elite competition while the Tarheels don't.

N.Carolina absolutely needs the Seminoles, Hurricanes and/or Hokies to get and stay elite.

Because PSU coaching is so mediocre, I believe they have helped drag OSU & Michigan down to their level. All three are able to get anyone they want, but their players aren't hitting in the Pros, not like they used to.

I could use many, but I'll use a few examples.
OSU's Vernon Gholston and Beanie Wells tested off the charts, just like Big Ten kids do. They were at the top of the Combine for 40 times and athleticism, but have so far been average players. It seems to be way more of these types of players coming from these schools than before.

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

Another thought, perhaps these schools should stop ducking an up and coming power such as Boise State, so they can see where their respective programs need to go & how far they have fallen off.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: #Jets will release Kris Jenkins, Vernon Gholston, Damien Woody and Jason Taylor, per sources

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

This is no surprise cutting CP. I think his ongoing groin injury will force him to retire sometime this year. It seems like every time he plays, bam the groin injury again. I have enjoyed seeing him play and yes I will miss him but his health comes first. Also I will never forget how he took over with Coach Gibbs when Sean Taylor was murdered, these two were the glue that kept the team and the fans together. Good Luck Clinton Portis in whatever you do.

Posted by: ladyredskins | February 28, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011
6:01 PM |

Did I miss something? Last I checked we don't have a 4th.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 28, 2011 6:08 PM |

Think you missed a ride on ArmchairGM's golden unicorn.

Posted by: beep-beep
~~~~
No, not unicorns, more wishful thinking and inablity to wrap my head around the trading/loss of so many draft picks. I get the Redskins picks mixed up sometimes.

Trust me, it won't be the last time I do that. I looked up the picks before I posted. The bleacher report site had us with 3 5th rounders, so I'm not the only one.

So we don't have a third AND a fourth rounder? Damn, sigh, the meat of this draft is going to be right there.

So adjust that post as an attempt to move into those two rounds.

Now, we do have two 5th & 6th rounders...right?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

When did Portis ever have a decent offensive line to run behind?

Posted by: renegade2 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Ummmmm.

He had a GREAT Oline to run behind from about 04-07 when Samuels and Jansen were arguably the best bookend tackle combo in the league, Randy Thomas was healthy and in his prime at RG, and Derrick Dockery 1.0 was steamrolling guys from the LG position.

It was the same Oline that made Ladell Betts look like an All-Pro back when CP went down for half the season in '06.

Sheesh, do you even watch the Redskins?

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe now he'll have time to learn to speak proper english!

Posted by: dfenner24 | February 28, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Ah, for the celebration when the fans' firing of Dan Snyder causes Snyder to release the team so the lost decade and more of Snyder's milk the fans while mismanaging the team tenure comes to an end and we can look forward to good times for the Skins again.

Posted by: jimb | February 28, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: #Jets will release Kris Jenkins, Vernon Gholston, Damien Woody and Jason Taylor, per sources

Posted by: Diesel44
~~~~
Too bad Jenkins can't stay healthy, I will never forget how dominant he was during the Panthers championship run, simply unblockable.

Even Jamarcus Russell is not the bust Gholston was. I watched Hard Knocks, if Rex Ryan couldn't get anything out of him, what does that say?

Oh yeah, Aaron Maybin...you're on the clock. Amazing how neither the Bills nor the Jets would even trust these two to play on special teams.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: #Jets will release Kris Jenkins, Vernon Gholston, Damien Woody and Jason Taylor, per sources

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse


The only intriguing guy on that list to me is Vernon Gholston.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he can go back to school and finish the sixth grade!

Posted by: grossman2 | February 28, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Listen and listen good you simple little man.

Both of the articles you link essentially say exactly what I said...he went down in the name of ball security.

Your nonsensical, ill informed, idiotic statement that "Portis is afraid of contact" stands alone to illustrate the diminished mental capacity with which you are trudging through life.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I no longer own a current player jersey. I'm thinking of a Laron Landry jersey, or maybe a Trent Williams. Nobody buys offensive linemen jerseys.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow...I probably shouldn't be surprised by all the Portis hate up here today...but wow.

I'm just as frustrated as the next Skins fan that he didn't win much here. And I hate that we had to give up Champ to get him. But dude had a great run in Washington. He was a consistent performer, did the dirty work (which is a big thing in Redskin Nation), and wasn't any more quirky and idiosyncratic than Riggins ever was. Yet some up here give Riggo the Favre treatment and can't get CP outta town fast enough.

I mean, some of the same clowns up here bashing Portis are the same ones that wrapped their arms and legs around NFL nothings like Marko Mitchell and Marcus Mason. Yet the franchise's 2nd all-time leading rusher can go pound sand. Totally baffling.

Let me to clarify: I'm not the biggest Portis fan out there (I actually grew pretty tired of his act the last few years, truth be told), but I do appreciate what he did as a Redskin. People who say "RBs are unimportant" or "his best days were in Denver" totally miss the boat on this guy. He played a style of ball that didn't particularly suit him and he was a productive and consistent performer anyway. He played hurt, played tough, and was usually the best offensive player we had (for whatever that's worth). Even though he's far from my favorite player, I tip my cap to the man and give him his props.

So let's not act like he was a bum taking up space for 7 years. He was a key cog on two playoff teams and didn't embarrass the organization like AH or Deion. There's absolutely no reason to look back on his Redskins career and not see him as a bright spot on an otherwise dark period of Redskins football.

Good night and good luck, CP. It was fun while it lasted.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The axe will come down on a lot of NFL players whose time has come to go. I am a cowboy fan and I wish Mr. Portis well. There are folks In Dallas who will see pink sleeps as well. It it all business.

Posted by: Lcolvin1 | February 28, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Listen and listen good you simple little man.

Both of the articles you link essentially say exactly what I said...he went down in the name of ball security.

Your nonsensical, ill informed, idiotic statement that "Portis is afraid of contact" stands alone to illustrate the diminished mental capacity with which you are trudging through life.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse


Wow WG, gettin personal eh?

Let's think through this - he went down in the name of "ball security" - and why was he afraid of losing the ball? My guess is that it had to do with impending contact...what's yours?

But whateves, not trying to give you a coronary here, so I have 2 little exercises for you and we can call it a day on this one:

First - find the place in my post where I said (as you quote) "Portis is afraid of contact". Because all I've been saying is that he feared contact on that play - which he did and you've basically said as much. Having diminshed mental capacity and all, I may be off on this one, but you may want to make sure someone actual said a quote before you make a big giant stink about it.

Second, take a couple aspirin, draw a warm bath and stay away from sharp objects until your Portis-rage subsides.

And from now on I'll give fair warning if I'm going make a comment about CP...that way you'll have ample time to take a dive off the blog in case you don;t want contact and all...wouldn't want you to drop your laptop and ruin it...

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think that we can trade 2 of our 5th rounders for a 3rd?
Is that too maddenesque

Posted by: brandon_in_cali
~~~~
Hey, if Ditka can trade all of the Saint's picks for Ricky Williams and the Vikings can trade a total of 11 picks/players for Hershel Walker, it's possible.

Teams such as the Patriots & Eagles appear like the "feel" of having a bunch of picks more than they like having a few high ones. So, the idea of getting two for one might with the two possibly being cheaper might appeal to them.

We could use two picks, but we could use more talented players even more, IMO. We're not having a problem acquiring 53 players-we need more talent. So, if say the Auburn RB Fannin (5'10, 231lbs, 4.39-40@Combine...had a nice end to his collegiate career with big time runs in the championship game) were to be sitting around in the 3rd-trade up and get him. We need the talent more than the bodies.

Honestly, our draft plans must be incredibly fluid, even more than the other teams. If we stand pat with our picks and positioning, we might not get the best out of this draft, not this year.

We need to get into the 3rd and 4th, if we can't get back into the 2nd...or 1st for that matter.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The only intriguing guy on that list to me is Vernon Gholston.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM


Why? Are we in the market for a new waterboy?

Kris Jenkins stands out a little, but I'd pass on him because A) he stays hurt and B) he hates the Redskins. He said so as a Panther and hated all the Redskins talk when he went to school at Maryland.

Truth be told, if I had to choose I'd take Shaun Rogers over Jenkins.

I'd rather see us draft a NT...so I'd take a pass on all of the newly cut Jets.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 28, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I will miss Clinton Portis. You can't run from Father Time. Clinton's body can't hold up anymore, but he may last in a reduced role on a contender such as NE or Indy. It would be nice to see him get a ring, something he never really ever had a chance to get in Washington, because of the inept ownership of Dan Snyder.
He left it all on the field on Sundays, even when his body was bloodied and battered, and when his body couldn't do the things it once could. In recent seasons we could see that the vision was still there, but the burst, balance and breakaway speed had faded.
We all know he was a ferocious pass blocker and that was sorely missed when he was injured last season and in 09

I'm amazed at all of the hating and negative comments about Portis. He was one of the lone bright spots on a team that has been pretty much a joke for the last decade or so. But what do you expect? The ignorance, immaturity, cruelty, jealousy and foolishness that is exhibited on this site(and others) is unfortunately pretty common fare in these days and times, a testament to the decline of our society.

Clinton Portis - John Riggins and Larry Brown will always be "my Redskins running backs", but your close, and I enjoyed watching you play, and you were your best around the goal line. Good luck and God Bless!

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 28, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Your nonsensical, ill informed, idiotic statement that "Portis is afraid of contact" stands alone to illustrate the diminished mental capacity with which you are trudging through life.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 6:43 PM

Just my 2 cents...

CP loves contact and that's what makes him the best blocking RB in the last 10 YRs. That block he put on Kiwanuka is legendary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dagF3Xoyq3Q

But after getting his bell rung so many times it's the contact he can't control that he fears...Thus the attempt at imitating a groundhog. It's the only way I can rationalize a RB taking a dive in the open field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Redskins without CLINT??!?

..." ♫♫ but where are the clowns ♫♫ ..."
..." ♫♫ there've got to be clowns ♫♫ ..."

Posted by: daveque | February 28, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The only intriguing guy on that list to me is Vernon Gholston.

Posted by: p1funk
~~~~
Me too, me too. Running down the thread, you know I've been talking trash about Big Ten players being busts and all that, but I refuse to give up this kid just yet. He's a bust at LB, but he's too athletic-perhaps like Aundray Bruce, Gholston can be tried at TE.

But, it is notable that the Jets felt they couldn't count on/didn't trust him to even participate on special teams that's....interesting.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Not that I have a crystal ball, but I thought Clinton was done before last season started. Was surprised to hear the Shanahans thought he was playing well in camp. Few running backs who carry the ball as much as Clinton last more than a few seasons anyway. Be something of a miracle if he hadn't deteriorated.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 28, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

WG,

You'd have to excuse p1's obsessive discontent for Clinton Portis. When Portis first got to town back in 2004, Portis jilted him when he asked Portis if he could sign his favorite pair of game day mittens.


p1, really dude. We get it; Clinton Portis took a dive to avoid getting hit. You're right. *In Stephen Hawking voice* "You da man, you da man"...

Even if your claim was 100% true beyond a shadow of a doubt, does that some way diminish what he's done for the last seven years? But go ahead and keep talking about the Lou game when he "took a dive". The dude has more heart then you have pimples on your face. How about looking at the total body of work instead of this one occurrence that you're FIXATED on for, what, how many weeks now?

Seriously dude, sometimes folks like to pile on and take shots just because. So go ahead and keep attempting to diminish another man's character to prove your point. Again, "you da man, you da man".

Posted by: RedDMV | February 28, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

How close is the NHL Western conference? Tonight, Minnesota plays Chicago. Both have 33 wins, 23 losses and 6 OT losses.

Literally, identical records.

In the listed standings, Minny is in 7th place and Chicago is in 9th.


-- 3 points separate the 7 teams from 5th place from 11th place. I'm never quite sure who to root against, other than dallas, of course.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I am so watching this whole show tomorrow night.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1818418306

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 28, 2011 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey CP, when you dive on the ground in the open field b/c you fear contact, you can expect to get un-featured pretty quickly.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

That's your quote. It seemed pretty clear to me that you believe Portis is a player who fears contact...and you ran with this take for hours before finally appearing to back track.

Now I don't know what you think and I truly don't care...You can carry on talking about how Vernon Gholston, perhaps one of the worst draft busts of the last decade intrigues you....I've put you on 'Permanent Disregard' status.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Now #26 could pick up a blitz real nice and he he had a couple of really good years in DC, especially 2005. But there were a ton of negatives. Sadly overall the Portis career becomes another installment in the many many mistakes of Dan Snyder, an owner who craves personal attention from and wants relationships with "his" star players.

So much dysfunction, will it ever end?

Posted by: Pepper5 | February 28, 2011 8:09 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: #Jets will release Kris Jenkins, Vernon Gholston, Damien Woody and Jason Taylor, per sources


...and so,.....?

I'm not interested in picking over Rex Ryan's unwanted toe nails.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is a terrible coach. He has one playoff win after Elway left. The Deadskins are doomed.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 28, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers is now the most tenured Redskin..


....and he might be the next ex-Washington Redskin.

I wonder who else might join him:

Mike Sellars

Andre Carter

Santana Moss

Clinton Portis

Kedric Golston

Ma'ake Kemoteau

Malcolm Kelly

Roydell Williams

Casey Rabach

Rocky McIntosh

Carlos Rogers

Albert Haynesworth

Donovan McNabb

....I can see it now on football blogs all over the land, "Say, didja see the guys the skins released?"

"Maybe we should take a chance on__________: championship, bro'!!!"

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah--burp, fart, wave of hand to disperse funky air--hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah-sneeze-hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah--say, this is some dumb azzed stuff I'm doing here.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey CP, when you dive on the ground in the open field b/c you fear contact, you can expect to get un-featured pretty quickly.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

That's your quote. It seemed pretty clear to me that you believe Portis is a player who fears contact...and you ran with this take for hours before finally appearing to back track.

Now I don't know what you think and I truly don't care...You can carry on talking about how Vernon Gholston, perhaps one of the worst draft busts of the last decade intrigues you....I've put you on 'Permanent Disregard' status.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 28, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse


I reference one play where Portis hit the turf and suddenly I'm running with a "Portis fears contact" take for hours, eh?

Exaggerate much?

Small wonder you can't get your quotes right - even ones you try to reference from me.

All I ask is that you please never take me off your "Permanent Disregard" list.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

NyallsStJohnSmytheI

Shanny is a terrible coach.


...and you suck at crafting an effective and clever screen name.

You got more names than Atlantic hurricanes.

Who spells 'Smythe' with a 'y' anymore anyways?

You're the 'I'?: what, your family breeds low class Roman numerals with personal pronouns or something?

I get 'StJohn' but what the F is 'Nyall'?

Get a screen name with some swagga to it.

And until then, you, and not Mike Shanahan, is the one who sucks.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

You talkin' bout releasing Santana is a serious fart, Moe..

And then there was Wendy O. Williams, fond of animals, blowing up and chainsawing equipment on stage...Oh yeah, did all her stunts real-time in her music videos..Beautiful mohawk..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q401R0JtuFw

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

p1, really dude. We get it; Clinton Portis took a dive to avoid getting hit.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 28, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse


Exactly. Now was that so tough?

You seem to get it, Red. Some other folks up here?...not so much.

And I haven't been piling on, just having a little fun stringing out some posters. I've said a couple times through-out the day that I'll remember CP as a tough do-it-all 3-down back who earned his cash for a good 5 year stretch here.

If he only could have straightened out his non-game-day attitude, I think he'd go out as one of the more appreciated/revered Skins in the post Gibbs 1.0 era.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Seriously dude, sometimes folks like to pile on and take shots just because. So go ahead and keep attempting to diminish another man's character to prove your point. Again, "you da man, you da man".


Posted by: RedDMV | February 28, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

You mean the way people pile on Shanahan and Snyder?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

But after getting his bell rung so many times it's the contact he can't control that he fears...Thus the attempt at imitating a groundhog. It's the only way I can rationalize a RB taking a dive in the open field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly what I was saying during the season.

CP never looked the same since coming back from the concussion. It's one thing to be the "hitter" and you can square up and deliver the hit. It's another thing when you are the "hittee", and you are wondering of someone is going to polax you from the blindside and knock you out for another 8 games.

Posted by: p1funk | February 28, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

frak

You talkin' bout releasing Santana is a serious fart...


True story.

One of my better 800M runners went to UM on an academic scholarship.

He wanted to stay in shape, so he found a way to work out with the Hurricane track team, a team lacking middle and long distance runners.

He knew nothing of Hurricane football.

He worked out everyday with a Who's-Who of early-mid 2000 Hurricane football talent and didn't know who the players were as they were just fast dudes at track practice.

So when I pointed out to him that the short dude who was always nice and postive and encourging was a triple jumper/sprinter named Santana Moss, my kid just shook his head and said, "Coach Moe, you just don't know how nice that guy is."

"Too bad he's not big enough to play pro football."

My kid is now a doctor somewhere in South Florida.

And of course, he was never big enought to play pro football himself.

But Santana proved to be.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sweet, Moe..But a doctor in South Florida can be a very, very scary thing...

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna make a bet on how long it will take Portis to do an interview ripping the Redskins organization?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

frak

But a doctor in South Florida can be a very, very scary thing...


Two things I ain't ever seen:

--a broke doctor

--a surgeon without 3 cars

--(the other is a Asian dude with a fine azzed black chick, but that's another observation)

--(but then again, no Asian dude ever saw me with a fine azzed Asian chick, so I guess we're even)


Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna make a bet on how long it will take Portis to do an interview ripping the Redskins organization?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM

I don't think that's coming. He has goodwill toward Gibbs, Shanahan and Snyder. Didn't care for Zorn. But maybe when things turn bad he'll be bitter.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone wanna make a bet on how long it will take Portis to do an interview ripping the Redskins organization?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Won't happen

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 28, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I just pooped in my pants.

Feels kinds squishy.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 28, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I just pooped in my pants.


So, today, you and the redskins have both released something you really have no need for.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Fools, and several of them, including the stinky one. Have no fear fools, your savior Allen Jr. won't be saving the day for the organization. So stick to your guns you fools, and get ready for another decade of Danny Boy witchcraft, on display for your agony, you fools.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 28, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I just pooped in my pants.


So, today, you and the redskins have both released something you really have no need for.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 28, 2011 9:15 PM

Half right -- the Redskins part. Poopy now has his brains in his pants. They feel squishy.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I dunno but bloggas with the _ seem like idiots/jerk faces...cept beep of course :D

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 28, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse


Anyone wanna make a bet on how long it will take Portis to do an interview ripping the Redskins organization?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM

I don't think that's coming. He has goodwill toward Gibbs, Shanahan and Snyder. Didn't care for Zorn. But maybe when things turn bad he'll be bitter.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 28, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

This is as close as he has come to anything negative..He said that Shanahan didn't use him like he did in Denver.

He also said this..

"You're entitled to your opinion, man," Portis said. "I think for myself, I always believe that I'm a No. 1 back....I don't think it's gonna be long before it comes out that there was something more left in the tank. I this this league is transitioning to a two-back system, but for me to sit with the idea that I'm a No. 2 back, I would never do that. I would never even let that adapt to my mindset. And I'm gonna always think I'm the baddest [BEEEEEEEEEEP] on the field."

I'm going to miss that crazy bastard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Portis was a warrior on the field, between the lines...and played his last game when he shouldn't have (re-injured himself). He carried us to playoffs a couple times. I understand with his salary number and all that figuring into today's NFL rosters.... but he'll be missed. fare Well, CP. In the meantime, we'll end up with either a young guy in later draft round or free agent to help out. Hail.

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | February 28, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

We could use two picks, but we could use more talented players even more, IMO. We're not having a problem acquiring 53 players-we need more talent. So, if say the Auburn RB Fannin (5'10, 231lbs, 4.39-40@Combine...had a nice end to his collegiate career with big time runs in the championship game) were to be sitting around in the 3rd-trade up and get him. We need the talent more than the bodies.

Honestly, our draft plans must be incredibly fluid, even more than the other teams. If we stand pat with our picks and positioning, we might not get the best out of this draft, not this year.

We need to get into the 3rd and 4th, if we can't get back into the 2nd...or 1st for that matter.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 28, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Armchair, you're going to trade 2 5th rounders for a 3rd, and take Fannin, who is projected to either be a 7th rounder or an UNDRAFTED free agent? I don't think that's very smart.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 28, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

catching up since this morning…p1 and wguilt have been arguing the same point for at least the last 10 hours. Hilarious.

I'm still curious about dude we picked up from Cleveland during the season, see if he isn't our own next anonymous 1250 yard back in a Shanny-led offense.

CP, hope to see you on third downs in B&G next year, but I also have the world's smallest violin playing for your hopes of remaining a feature back anywhere.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | February 28, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't be so quick to lock the door on Clinton, when he came back from the groin injury (which he was prematurely thrust into, aggravating it), he played HARD, ripping off nice runs and screens..Dude's a historic Skin, regardless of you square honky Puritans , like p1funk, that want to pour salt in the wound and belittle his effort..

Posted by: frak | February 28, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll miss CP, he did speak his mind and most of the time he was right. I wasn't a fan of the public way he would throw folks under the bus but truthfully somethings needed to be said.
He was a great Redskin.
HTTR

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

A little fun with numbers for you math geeks up here...CP26 (whom you may recall as loving his jersey #26 so much that he was willing to actually pay for it) ranks 26th in NFL history with 9,923 yards rushing.

Every other CP angle has been hit so that's all I got.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 1, 2011 5:18 AM | Report abuse

He said that Shanahan didn't use him like he did in Denver.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2011 9:29 PM |

Hard to use him like he did in Denver when he only plays in five games. Portis may have the same motor and a lot left in the tank, but he's not playing in the NFL after his wheels fell off.

I'm waiting to see if Diesel44 and monk811 change their handles to CP26 or CP261. More likely it will be p1funk who goes for cp26funk or 4thfloor who goes for 26thfloor.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Maybe injury or age or whatever, CP is a step slower today but I don't remember any rb laying the wood on blocks like he did. He was amazing. Good luck CP.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 1, 2011 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:16 PM
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Portis averaged 4.2 yards a carry and Torain averaged 4.5 yards a carry. So, with your limited knowledge of mathematics, can you tell me which running back did better?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

With this last discussion, we weren't talking about who did better, you had made the statement that his running game had slipped.

To me, even with my LIMITED knowledge of mathematics, I can tell that 4.2 is better than the 3.? that he had been putting up most of his career in Washington.

Try and stay on topic, nice try though....

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 3:34 PM
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I think you are the one off topic. The discussion was whether CP will be back. My reponse to that was why bring CP back when the team had better young guys. You decided to come in and jump on one point without understanding the whole conversation. On top of that you were wrong. Like I have said numerous times, CP was a great player - deserves to be one of the Redskins top 70 of all time - but he is on the downhill side and for running backs the downhill side is usually a steep dropoff. I wish him well, but the Redskins are going to be just fine at running back with the horses they have in the stable.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan reads JR's articles just to make him look like a fool.

Shanahan: "Looks like Reid has a rumor we are trading Haynesworth. Hang up, Bruce!"
Allen: "Sorry, Jeff, gotta go" *click*

Shanahan: "Another trade rumor. Oh, Danny boy, get out your checkbook"

Shanahan: "Oh, this is impressive. He want's me to dump McNabb and Haynesworth just as I have all the leverage... Bruce, page Clinton Portis to my office, please"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 1, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Vernon Gholston had a $9 million escalator clause in his contract for one sack or forced fumble or fumble recovery. Never got it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

24 tackles over 3 years is not what you are looking for from a #1 pick. Wow. And people think WE blew it with Rogers or Campbell. That's almost Ryan Leafy

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 1, 2011 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I dunno but bloggas with the _ seem like idiots/jerk faces...cept beep of course :D

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 28, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, beep doesn't have a _ on his ID, his is a -, so I guess he's only a half idiot/jerk! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Great...my lone remaining active player jersey...gone.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 28, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, my last one now that CP is gone is Moss, and he'll probably not be resigned!

Look$ like I'm gonna have to $tart buying Jer$eys and making $nyder richer!

Posted by: monk811 | February 28, 2011 2:26 PM

Well, my wholesale hookup is out of the business...so I guess I'm out of the jersey business for a while...no way I am paying 300 bones for a shirt...hopefully a player I like takes 26 and I can just change the name.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

The street has spoken. The word on the street is Aldon Smith at #10 and no chance of trade down unless A.J. Green falls that far. Then Stefan Wisznewski (sp?) in the second round. Street hasn't said anything beyond that.

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I think you are the one off topic. The discussion was whether CP will be back. My reponse to that was why bring CP back when the team had better young guys. You decided to come in and jump on one point without understanding the whole conversation. On top of that you were wrong. Like I have said numerous times, CP was a great player - deserves to be one of the Redskins top 70 of all time - but he is on the downhill side and for running backs the downhill side is usually a steep dropoff. I wish him well, but the Redskins are going to be just fine at running back with the horses they have in the stable.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you really told me off, I'm crawling in my shell as I type, kinda hard with a sock on your hand!

I didn't know your 'important discussion' was private, sorry to 'interupt' the NERD pow-wow.

But don't you think that in the grand scheme of things, there was more than 1 discussion based on your biased opinion?

I'm sorry I don't have the kind of time to be up your ass and log every conversation, so get over yourself.

I saw something I wanted to comment on, I did, and you can't handle the comment I made, because I was RIGHT, and you were WRONG, sorry to hurt your ego.

MY POINT, was that when Portis was in games he was running well and the running game was good. His hard work in the offseason paid off cause it raised his YPC, I never said he could be the workhorse running back like he used to be.

And don't go annointing Torain yet, he looked lousy at times last year, disappeared at times in games, in fact he never would have had 100 yds in Chicago if not for a long run in the 4th Qt.

So now come back at me with your 'no, you are wrong' comment, and we can keep this stupid conversation going a little longer and kick the dead horse 1 more time, your turn......

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

don't understand people ripping CP at this point...guy was the only game in town on this team for many seasons...

not sold on von miller...

trade next years #1 to the pats for #17, take Julio Jones at 10, JJ Watt at 17...SWEET!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

And people think WE blew it with Rogers or Campbell. That's almost Ryan Leafy

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 1, 2011 8:08 AM


Exactly...that's why I'll never understand how people can sit up here and call them "busts". There's a big difference between not living up to your draft status and being an epic failure. Rogers and Campbell are the former...Golston and Leaf are the latter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 1, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

So now come back at me with your 'no, you are wrong' comment, and we can keep this stupid conversation going a little longer and kick the dead horse 1 more time, your turn......

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 8:28 AM

If I may interject, someone posted yesterday the redskins were 3 and 2 with CP...3 and 8 without...wins are the bottom line...right?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 7:41 AM

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 8:28 AM |

Now, this convo has been downright scholarly relative to the p1funk/WaitingGuilty match or any of the drive-by's who think that Clinton Portis's command of the English language is not on a par with their own.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

trade next years #1 to the pats for #17 and Vince Wilfork, take Julio Jones at 10, JJ Watt at 17...SWEET!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 8:35 AM


Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 1, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I guess I missed CPoMo (Clinton Portis Monday).

I really wish he would have just taken the pay-cut and upcoming demotion. He's definitely off the bandwagon w/ Shanny et al, though.

I wish him luck and love him as mah 'Cane. I don't think he'll get the $$ he want's =- and I'm not sure the 'good teams' will want someone with his health record.

While I would love his talent at a reasonable price, I'm not sure his ego would let him perform nor his body hold up.

Add to that his representation of the way things ran before, and I think he's outtie for good.

So long CPo & thanks for the years of service.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 1, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

If I may interject, someone posted yesterday the redskins were 3 and 2 with CP...3 and 8 without...wins are the bottom line...right?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 8:37 AM

Are you new here? There are only three bottom lines, and this isn't one of them. Bottom lines:

1. Build through the draft like Green Bay -- only one free agent in 130 years.
2. SAVE THE WAILS!!!!
3. Boycott $nyder.

There's also a few middle lines: "I'm taking the high road." "Have a nice day." "I was just having some fun."

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"...when Portis was in games he was running well and the running game was good. His hard work in the offseason paid off cause it raised his YPC, I never said he could be the workhorse running back like he used to be.And don't go annointing Torain yet, he looked lousy at times last year, disappeared at times in games..."

I don't think the club should count on Ryan as the solution -- not with that injury history. But he played close to his potential, which turns out to be pretty good.

Portis exhibited about what you expect from a great RB nearing the end -- bursts of top-end running mixed with extended absence. Maybe if we'd had a stronger blocking line, he could have put up better numbers, the way LT did in NY. Ultimately however -- it's been fun, but it's done.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

To the jersey shy crew,

Don't worry about Portis & Moss jerseys - since their tenure here was so lengthy, you've no reason to be ashamed for wearing those. Pick up a Cooley while you're at it. I still wear my Arrington from time to time.

No problem with celebrating a talent from your squadl; a core Redskin.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 1, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

So now come back at me with your 'no, you are wrong' comment, and we can keep this stupid conversation going a little longer and kick the dead horse 1 more time, your turn......

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 8:28 AM
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The irony of you not wanting to prolong a "stupid conversation" is not lost on me. As I look back over the last few hundred posts, I would say RI could annoint you the "King of Stupid Conversations". Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with a convo about CP. It's football talk, ain't it? You think he was laying pipe last year, and I think he was showing his age. We disagree. You are, however, wrong, and I am right, but I forgive you because man-love for CP is clouding your judgement.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

One day after burning up the Combine, we learned some potentially damaging news about wide receiver Julio Jones.

Charley Casserly reported on NFL Network Monday that medical tests at the Combine revealed Jones will require surgery for his foot. It’s pretty amazing Jones was able to run a 4.39 forty anyway, but this must have been a pre-existing injury the wideout simply wasn’t aware of while training for Indianapolis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

don't understand people ripping CP at this point...guy was the only game in town on this team for many seasons...

not sold on von miller...

trade next years #1 to the pats for #17, take Julio Jones at 10, JJ Watt at 17...SWEET!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 8:35 AM
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It's so sad when people drink early in the morning.

Seriously though, Bean, I would love for the Redskins to have Julio Jones, but I don't think he'll hang around until the 10th. I am thinking the Browns will take him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The irony of you not wanting to prolong a "stupid conversation" is not lost on me. As I look back over the last few hundred posts, I would say RI could annoint you the "King of Stupid Conversations". Frankly, I don't see anything wrong with a convo about CP. It's football talk, ain't it? You think he was laying pipe last year, and I think he was showing his age. We disagree. You are, however, wrong, and I am right, but I forgive you because man-love for CP is clouding your judgement.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Ok, agree to disagree.

Wouldn't call it man love, would probably call it sock love, my puppets love him and cried yesterday when we cut him.

I'm actually glad he's gone now. Not because I don't like him as a player, but I see that he's not the player he used to be, and I've been wanting this franchise to cut players when it's time to let them go for years, and not hold on to them too long.

Dead horse kicked for the last time!

SAVE THE DEAD HORSES!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Let's not make this draft about flash. Lets make it about serious, hard driving, healthy talent in the positions we need.

Rok rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 1, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Believe me....I loved Portis when he played.

But let's be honest....if he really wanted to end his career in style....he would resign with the REDSKINS for a lower contract.

He is in shooting range of the franchise's running records.

We know that due to his injury history and that he has lost his burst that most teams will stay away from him and he will have to play for the league minimum anyway.

Then again.....its good for this team to remove all the me first players as we rebuild. Shanallen are correct in the process of getting young & hungry players on this roster.

Now get a new damn CBA so we can actually upgrade some via some reasonably priced younger free agents.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 1, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Dead horse kicked for the last time!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:09 AM

Nooooooo! I just grabbed my popcorn.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

C'mon now - you can't begrudge CPo's attempt to get a ring, can you?

I'm not saying he's going to get anywhere near it, but it's GUARANTEED he's not going to get it here in the next two years. And that's all he has left.

Good luck.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 1, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 8:47 AM

Haha...you're right again beep...as usual...I have heard that around here before...can't put my finger on who it was though.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't call it man love, would probably call it sock love, my puppets love him and cried yesterday when we cut him.

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:09 AM

It's not real sock love until one of your many puppets starts posting as monk261 or portis811.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I was watching Marcell Dareus do the footwork and agility drills and looking at his 10 yard splits -- I don't know how you could pick any DT ahead of this guy. Looked like Suh out there. Fairley is more of a DT/DE type. He doesn't have the lateral quickness of Dareus and he's 30 lbs. lighter.

Also listened to Casserly's comments on Newton: he doesn't get anywhere near the top ten. But Jim Mora had the Skins choosing Jake Locker at the 10th spot. It's a Shanahan-type pick -- the mobile, throw-on-the-run player over the more stationary type.

About the comparisons with Jake Plummer -- SI had an interesting piece on Snake and why he quit. A guy who was never really that interested in big-time football...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"not sold on von miller...trade next years #1 to the pats for #17, take Julio Jones at 10, JJ Watt at 17...SWEET!!!Posted by: BeantownGreg1"

BTW did you see that Jones has a foot fracture? That's enough that he might slide back down to the ten spot. I'm not entirely sold on his hands, but he's a terrific athlete.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/02/28/jones-combine-star-turn-came-despite-foot-fracture/

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Also BTW, Von Miller looks to me like he's every bit as good Jerod Mayo of the Pats was. Mayo wound up inside in NE's scheme and Miller has that versatility.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Even though Portis had some iffy moments in front of the media and didn't always take pre-season as seriously as he should ... he was still one of the best running backs we ever had.

Considering all the O-line problems, coaching turn-over and system changes that went on durring his tenure ... it's pretty impressive that he was able to put up the type of numbers he did, and now has his name listed right next to some of the best running backs in NFL history.

If not for the 3 seasons he was injured, he would have passed Riggins record, and he'd be the Redskins all time rusher.

I'm kind of glad he didn't break Riggins record ... just because it seems more fitting to have Rigo hold that record. But Portis was certainly a bright light on our team, durring many a dark season.

Good luck Clinton, and thanks for the memories!


Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 1, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

The irony of you not wanting to prolong a "stupid conversation" is not lost on me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey, get it right, I have 'stupid one-liners', I haven't had a conversation in years!

At least not with another 'real' person.

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Von Miller looks to me like he's every bit as good Jerod Mayo of the Pats was.

Don't mean Mayo 'is'?

And for me B Orakpo is a better 'backer.

And folks post about Von Miller like we don't have B Orakpo.

There are 13 defensive linemen with 1st round grades, and some redskin fans want to add a linebacker.

Go figure.

The draft is littered with very good defensive end/tackles.

We need to leave this draft with 2 interior linemen.

Draft a NT and an end.

Let's take from the draft what the draft has.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Dead horse kicked for the last time!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:09 AM

Nooooooo! I just grabbed my popcorn.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It's ok, me being the blog bully, I'm sure I'll get an argument started pretty soon! Keep the popcorn close!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Let's take from the draft what the draft has.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 9:53 AM

Makes too much sense moe...that kind of thinking would probably go over better in The Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I may be wrong but Julio Jones played most pf the year kind of banged up. Cant remember against who but he had a couple injuries, a knee injury really early in the year i think. On top of being a burner the dude has always seemed really tough to me. Be interesting to see if this injury effects his status. It wouldnt be a problem for me if I had to decide, games re a long way off.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Keep the popcorn close!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:55 AM

Well hurry it up...its getting cold...may I pick your opponent? Stu is available?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I may be wrong but Julio Jones played most pf the year kind of banged up.

The thing about guys like Baldwin, Jones, and Green is that the Shanahans like the idea of a big-bodied, powerful receiver.

We all ape about NT's and whatnot, when evidence shows that the Shanahans might take a receiver at 10 and quarterback in round 2.

If that happens, some of us apes will throw a whole like of turds out of the cage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Not a fan of Warren Sapp in any way shape or form, but his back ground chatter during the combine, was pretty good...especially during the DL drills....

have the cb's run yet?? What did Petersen/Akumura run??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

If that happens, some of us apes will throw a whole like of turds out of the cage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:08 AM |

If you're gonna throw some turds of this cage I hope you start with FrancoBegbie, psyops, baggervance, and those guys.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"We all ape about NT's and whatnot, when evidence shows that the Shanahans might take a receiver at 10 and quarterback in round 2. If that happens, some of us apes will throw a whole like of turds out of the cage."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:08 AM

In a pass-oriented era, when your best receiver is a 30-something, small, injury-prone guy who also happens to be a free agent, it's hard to knock taking a WR with your first pick. As I said before, the 'Skins have so many needs that there is bound to be somebody available at 10 who DESERVES to go that high and who fills one of those needs. That is why my biggest wish is that the 'Skins don't "reach" at 10 just to get a QB, or NT, or OL, or any other position.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 1, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Keep the popcorn close!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:55 AM

Well hurry it up...its getting cold...may I pick your opponent? Stu is available?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Naw, picking a fight with Stu would be pretty STUpid!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

...it's hard to knock taking a WR with your first pick.


No--taking a wide receiver at 10 is nuts.

There are so many kids coming out of college passing systems that you can develope a tight corp of 2-3 receivers in a way that's makes more sense than drafting 1 guy at 10.

Let's take a 2nd tier FA wide receiver and find another unpolished gem in rounds 5/6.

Let's also pretend that MK12 doesn't exist and search for another big-bodied X receiver.

But don't take a receiver at 10.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

We all ape about NT's and whatnot, when evidence shows that the Shanahans might take a receiver at 10 and quarterback in round 2.

If that happens, some of us apes will throw a whole like of turds out of the cage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't know, if it was A.J. Green at 10 and Christian Ponder in round 2 I don't think I could fault them for that. We need all of those positions badly so it really comes down to who they feel is the best prospect. Every pick should be BPA unless it's a tight end.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Let's also pretend that MK12 doesn't exist and search for another big-bodied X receiver.

-that was easy.

But big bodied receivers are a commodity that get taken early. Green and Jones grade out as well as anyone since Calvin. They certainly grade out better then the Nose Tackles in this years draft. There aint no Suhs nobody has the hype that Raji got.

You have to pay for a big bodied receiver just like you pay for a NT or a pass specialist OLB. Jon Baldwins age gone by the mis second round and it gets spotty at best after that.

I cant really say there is a position the skins shouldn't trake a t number 10( besides RB or TE). I personally dont like any qbs in this draft but thats just mo. After that literally any position of need would be appropriate at 10 as long as he pays off for us.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

As much as we need skill position players this draft is about the DL early and the Skins should draft DE in 1st and NT in 2nd unless they can trade back for more picks.

Any thing else would be vinnyesque. This from hogs haven sums it up:

6. That orgasmic sound you heard this weekend was Vinny Cerrato watching Julio Jones at the combine. There is no way he would slip past the Redskins at #10 if Vinny was still in charge. I am starting to wonder if he will slip by Bruce Allen to be honest.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/2/28/2020538/looks-like-someone-has-a-sixpack-of-the-mondays-charlie-sheen-clinton#storyjump

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 1, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Green and Jones grade out as well as anyone since Calvin. They certainly grade out better then the Nose Tackles in this years draft.


Yeah, but we need interior defensive lineman.

And as so many teams have proven, you can find and develop 3-4 solid receivers.

Too, if you notice, the playoff teams all had dominate interior defensive linemen.

And not a one featured a 'big-bodied' receiver.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's take a 2nd tier FA wide receiver and find another unpolished gem in rounds 5/6.

Sounds like Jacoby Jones to me.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 1, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

As much as we need skill position players this draft is about the DL early and the Skins should draft DE in 1st and NT in 2nd unless they can trade back for more picks.

Any thing else would be vinnyesque. This from hogs haven sums it up:


6. That orgasmic sound you heard this weekend was Vinny Cerrato watching Julio Jones at the combine. There is no way he would slip past the Redskins at #10 if Vinny was still in charge. I am starting to wonder if he will slip by Bruce Allen to be honest.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/2/28/2020538/looks-like-someone-has-a-sixpack-of-the-mondays-charlie-sheen-clinton#storyjump

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 1, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

At some point you have to use common sense. What if Marcell Dareus, JJ Watt, Cameron Jordan, and Von Miller are gone by pick #10 and A. J. Green or Julio Jones is still there? Are you suggesting we take the #8-9 best D lineman over the #1 or #2 WR? C'mon man!!

Besides, drafting Julio deosn't mean we have to get rid of Malcolm. There's room for both. Malcolm can play possession and Julio has the speed to spread the field.

It's going to take more than 1 year to rebuild this. We just have to take what the draft gives us. I want d line but I don't want to reach for it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"But don't take a receiver at 10."

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:33 AM

That was a commonly-held belief in years past in the NFL, that you don't take a receiver that high. But with the primacy of the passing game in today's NFL, that's no longer the case. Guys who demand double-coverage like Randy Moss, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson do so much to open up the field for their teammates that they warrant being taken in the first-round, even early in the first round. They don't grow on trees, and they usually don't fall out of round one. If there's one of those guys available at 10, the 'Skins should definitely consider him.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 1, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Green and Jones grade out as well as anyone since Calvin. They certainly grade out better then the Nose Tackles in this years draft.

Yeah, but we need interior defensive lineman.

And as so many teams have proven, you can find and develop 3-4 solid receivers.

Too, if you notice, the playoff teams all had dominate interior defensive linemen.

And not a one featured a 'big-bodied' receiver.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:47 AM
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Really good point, Moe, but I wouldn't mind seeing a big receiver with speed. I was kind of wondering if the Redskins should really look at one of those speedy pass catching tight ends that can't block and try to make them into a receiver - or be serious about converting Fred Davis. that way they could get a big receiver on the cheap. I don't have faith in MK, though.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Guys who demand double-coverage like Randy Moss, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson do so much to open up the field for their teammates that they warrant being taken in the first-round,


....let's count the playoff wins between these guys, shall we?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Jets are releasing KRIS JENKINS.....

What injury is he coming off of?? If he could be had at a reasonable contract would he be worth thinking of at NT for the REDSKINS (whether it be for depth or starter?)

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 1, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Moe, i guess the difference in our thinking is you assume this team will be able to develop a receiving crew from scratch. The past decade tells me that they cannot do that.

If receivers are a dime a dozen and all the other teams just pop up with wr corps, then whats our problem?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"Don't mean Mayo 'is'?
And for me B Orakpo is a better 'backer.
And folks post about Von Miller like we don't have B Orakpo."

I meant Mayo when he came out for the draft. He's developed some playing for Belichick, the LB sensei. That makes a difference.

Orakpo is a great talent, but he's not really a well-rounded LB in the sense that Miller and Mayo are. He'd benefit from having somebody on the other side to grow with, the way Woodley benefits from playing opposite James Harrison.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Keep the popcorn close!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 9:55 AM

Well hurry it up...its getting cold...may I pick your opponent? Stu is available?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Naw, picking a fight with Stu would be pretty STUpid!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 10:29 AM |

Stu vs PA/Monk = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

No--taking a wide receiver at 10 is nuts.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Not when our No. 1 next year, Armstrong, should be a No. 3.

WR is the 2nd hardest position in the NFL to come into as a rookie and perform well.

We could get a couple later in the draft, but then we'd be stuck with a roster full of scrubs when we need a go-to receiver.

Moss is probably leaving, and there is not another WR worthy of getting in FA without having to send a pick for, and him come in and be our No. 1 WR.

I still believe defense all around is a bigger need, however I would not be mad at all if we draft Julio Jones at #10.

He looked good running his routes and catching the ball, and showed toughness with what's going on with his foot.

SAVE THE ONE-FOOTED RECEIVERS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

PAsf17, there is no way that the skins are taking the "8th or 9th best DL" at #10. Don't talk like all of the teams ahead of the Skins will be taking DL players.

What will make this team better in the long haul is to fix the lines. In this draft the Skins can fix a huge portion of the DL and that should be the priority.

Me, I would take Prince A. over a WO at ten if the top three DL are gone by 10, but I do not see that happening.

But maybe we should do like vinny and get the pretty pieces first, that has certainly worked the last few years.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 1, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse


Stu vs PA/Monk = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:09 AM |

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good one

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

...but he's (B Orakpo) not really a well-rounded LB in the sense that Miller and Mayo are.

So Brian Orakpo--an often-held 2x NFL Pro Bowler--isn't as good as a kid in college or a 1 time Pro Bowler.

Sure--he really does need another linebacker to help him out.


(Sarcasm withheld.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I noticed Mat Mostly is leaving the ESPN NFC East blog. Mostly was mostly pro Cows which is no surprise given he is a Ft Worthless native. Do you think ESPN would have the horns to pick another Cow shill to do the blog? They prob want to have someone who knows the div and will pick a homer from DC, NYC, Philly, or Dal but having two in a row from Dal would be a little much and they ain't going to pick a dude from DC what with the low regard the Skins have at this point.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

If receivers are a dime a dozen and all the other teams just pop up with wr corps, then whats our problem?

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Green Bay dumped 4 good draft picks into the WR position. James Jones 3rd, Jordy Nelson 2nd, Greg Jones 2nd, Jermichael Finley 3rd. The only diamond in the rough is Donald Driver and he was a 7th rounder. We trade all of our mid round picks away so we can't get a platoon of decent second tier receivers.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Sure--he really does need another linebacker to help him out.

(Sarcasm withheld.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:17 AM |

A pile-pushing NT would work a lot better.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 1, 2011 11:12 AM


Co-sign.

The sad thing is the Fat Al has the ability to absolutely dominate on the DL when he wants to. If he wasn't such a diva, he could turn a key weakness into a team strength--and allow the team to put heavy resources elsewhere.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A pile-pushing NT would work a lot better.

This is where I am.

Each level of our Defense has a stud player--LL/BO--but our defensive line.

We need to leave this draft with two linemen.

Great d-lineman make average linebackers look great.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

^ didnt we beat GB this year.

Strategies like GB's approach just do not work out for this team. Our ownership and FO have a 180 aproach from those teams. You cant pick and choose and say we should develop guys from the mid rounds cause we wont ever have mid rounds.
We will always be shopping for the next big thing and when available we will pay for it.
So i say we get our superstars anyway we can. Drafting a WR at ten wouldn't fly for GB or Pitt but drafting mid round WRs haven't worked for us either.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Naw, picking a fight with Stu would be pretty STUpid!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 10:29 AM |

Prexactly the kind of remark that would have Lloyd Christmas and Hairy Done rolling on the floor laughing their asses off!

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Stu vs PA/Monk = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 11:09 AM |

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good one

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:14 AM

Yes, good one indeed...however I'm thinking monk will take issue with being "dumber"...I'm ok with it though....thanks for your input...now go F yourself.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

now go F yourself.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 11:27 AM |

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k

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

k

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:33 AM

Not you hess...the other ahole.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Guys who demand double-coverage like Randy Moss, Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson do so much to open up the field for their teammates that they warrant being taken in the first-round."

"....let's count the playoff wins between these guys, shall we?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 10:57 AM

While we're at it, let's count the number of playoff wins among dominant interior defensive linemen like Kris Jenkins, the Williams wall in Minny, Jay Ratliff and Ndamukong Suh. Then let's realize that winning in the NFL is a team effort, and that difference makers can be found at the "skill positions" as well as on the offensive and defensive lines.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 1, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

...didn't we beat GB this year.

But for a field goal, yes.

However, they got the ring, the trophy, and trip to Disney.

All we got was a trip to a Dan Snyder theme park, the one missing the letter 'L'.

Which is why celebrating the GB victory is what you do at Six Fags.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Bye CP, thanx for the memories.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

rufus_t_firefly


The packers, stillers, ravens, pats, colts all have something in common other than efficient passing.

They possess stud defenses centered around dominate interior lineman.

The jints come at us twice a year with a killa four man 4-3 line.

I don't know why imitating that format is such an issue.

There are 13 defensive linemen with 1st round grades, meaning defensive line talents abounds all over this draft and at any round.

Let's get some beefeaters.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse


k

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:33 AM

Not you hess...the other ahole.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 11:36 AM |

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k

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Stu vs PA/Monk = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Posted by: TheSheepF*cker | March 1, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that was so original, like I've never heard that before, someone give him a prize! Beep, an order of fries, pronto!!!

In all seriousness, it's good you finally got away from f*ckin the sheep on your farm, either that or you finally got wireless internet and the laptop is resting on the sheep's back.

Don't forget to pull out, we wouldn't want any half sheep, half retard kids walking around, we already have hess on here!

SAVE THE RETARDED SHEEP!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Aldon Smith

Posted by: WordOnTheStreet1 | March 1, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The packers, stillers, ravens, pats, colts all have something in common other than efficient passing.

-oh oh ahhh. Quality ownership and FO....

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

k

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 11:33 AM

Not you hess...the other ahole.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I think they are sock puppets, but not like socks on the hands, to them:
hands = d*cks
socks = anus

Have fun guys!!!! hahaha

SAVE THE ANAL PUPPETS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Prince Amukamara Neb 6-0 206 4.37 16 Reps
Rashad Carmichael VT 5-10 192 4.49 13
Ras-I Dowling UVA 6-1 198 4.40 19
Brandon Harris Mia 5-10 191 4.43 13

Peterson yet to run

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jebus Christmas...

Patrick Peterson LSU 6-0 219 15 Reps.........................4.32

1st pick in the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Seriously though, Bean, I would love for the Redskins to have Julio Jones, but I don't think he'll hang around until the 10th. I am thinking the Browns will take him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 9:07 AM

Word on the street is that both A.J. Green AND Julio Jones will be on the board at #10. The first nine picks include two QBs, one CB, and six DT/DE/OLBs.

Posted by: WordOnTheStreet1 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Peterson LSU 6-0 219 15 Reps.........................4.32

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM

Zoinks!

Posted by: WordOnTheStreet1 | March 1, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

dies, thats pretty much it...guy can play s, or cb, and has ELITE speed...wow...he just made himself a WHOLE lotta money...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Word on the street is....

Posted by: WordOnTheStreet1 | March 1, 2011 12:02 PM

What bogus crap. Word on the Street is supposed to be stuff like "Buy General Motors at $18. Sell Intel." Doesn't anyone want to get rich anymore?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 1, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Prexactly the kind of remark that would have Lloyd Christmas and Hairy Done rolling on the floor laughing their asses off!

Posted by: TheSheepF*cker | March 1, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you ACTUALLY knew those names!!! lmfao

I didn't know what kind of NERD I was dealing with, but now I do.

You and hess really do deserve each other!

Enjoy your salads boys!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

we already have hess on here!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 11:52 AM

Yeah, but he should lay off the internet porn for a bit and give his keyboard a break...seems he has only one key left available on there that hasn't been soiled shut.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Stu vs PA/Monk = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Posted by: TheSheepF*cker | March 1, 2011 11:09 AM |

Stu vs PA/Mook = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Better, no? BTW, in the addled world of RI, going from Monk to Mook makes a lot more sense than going from TheAnimalFarm to TheSheepF*cker. One letter vs a really, really long reach, one that was used before by that crack addled poster MistaMoeFo.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

HAHA yeh ive been saying for a while that Patrick Peterson is the one true cant miss player from this draft, he covers he tackles he catches. And he returns kicks for TDs. He had some Heisman hype for the first half year before Lemichal and Cam blew up.
I know cause they all said dont kick to him better not kick to that guy, my team kicked to him this year, we lost 14-20, ughhh.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 12:09 PM |

monk811 vs mook811. Change one letter and the handle fits like 811's cock in PA's ass!

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The packers, stillers, ravens, pats, colts all have something in common other than efficient passing.

They possess stud defenses centered around dominate interior lineman.

The jints come at us twice a year with a killa four man 4-3 line.

I don't know why imitating that format is such an issue.

There are 13 defensive linemen with 1st round grades, meaning defensive line talents abounds all over this draft and at any round.

Let's get some beefeaters.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse
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Your first statement is true, but there are other names on championship D's which standout as well, such as Charles Woodson, Clay Mathews, Troy Palomalu, James Harrison, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Teddy Bruski, Rodney Harrison, Antonio Pierce, Corey Webster, etc, etc.

The point being that Championship teams are not simply front loaded, but rather a cohesive combination of superior talent.

Now, it's perfectly acceptable to look at our roster and observe that our D line is our least cohesive collection of superior talent, but that has nothing to do with our competition, per se. You can say the same thing about our WRs, RBs, and interior Oline as well.

So I'm on board with drafting beefcake, and always will be, but it's because we specifically need beefcake at the moment, and regular intake of beefcake is essential for teams not wanting to collapse like the Skins did after Gibbs left.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 1, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

BTW, lest you RI pervs get any weird ideas, when I refer to PA's ass I am talking about the ass that he boards on the animal farm and spends the weekends with.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

^ didnt we beat GB this year.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 11:26 AM

Not that it means anything... but the Skins have recently held their own pretty well against teams that eventually win the SB no matter what kind of season they were having.

They are 3-3 (counting only the Week 15 playoff run road game vs the Gints, vice the Week 3 home game) over the decade, and a shanked field goal vs New Orleans from 4-2.

2010: Skins (OT): 16 - GB: 13
2009: Saints (OT): 33 - Skins: 30
2008: Steelers: 23 - Skins: 6
2007: Skins: 22 - Giants: 10
2006: Colts: 36 - Skins: 22
2005: Did not play SB winner
2004: Did not play SB winner
2003: Skins: 20 - Patriots: 17
2002: Did not play SB winner
2001: Did not play SB winner

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

This is how I feel about the front 7 prospects:

How many of them actually fit our scheme?

Yes:
Marcell Dareus
Cameron Jordan
Von Miller
Aldon Smith
JJ Watt
Akeem Ayers
Ryan Kerrigan

No:
DaQuan Bowers
Adrian Claiborne
Nick Fairley

Maybe:
Robert Quinn

How many of them would I take over A.J. Green?

Marcell Dareus


How many would I take over Julio Jones?

Marcell Dareus
Cameron Jordan
Von Miller

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2011 12:23 PM

If I remember correctly (which is very questionable) Champ won that game in 2003 with a TD pick? Also, the Colts and Steelers losses looked good for us around halftime, before the wheels fell off.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

monk811 vs mook811. Change one letter and the handle fits like ...

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 12:18 PM |

Not only is it just one letter, it's an adjacent letter!

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Stu vs PA/Mook = Watson vs Dumb/Dumber

Better, no?

Posted by: TheSheepFister | March 1, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Um, NO! That is honestly the most LAME thing ANYONE has EVER said on here!!! And that's saying a lot! Nice try, but you just struck out!!!

I've never been called a graffiti artist before, but I guess in your backwoods, hillbilly, sheep f*cking culture that is an insult! Way to burn me!

Sorry, didn't mean to copy you Moe. I think I like your new name better anyway!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

pa, he got close, not sure if he scored or not...Ifheainthere Ohowlatehe sealed the deal with a pick late in the 4th.....

let the record show

The ol' ball coach outcoached the 'genius'...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Good break down PA. Those seem like the scenarios we might face.

Im still keeping an eye on Marvin Austin, could be a great pickup if he starts falling.

"Three other defensive tackles with top-50 ability -- Marvin Austin (North Carolina), Corey Luiget (Illinois) and Muhammad Wilkerson (Temple) -- also helped themselves, but not to the point that any of them are likely to close the gap on Dareus and Fairley. However, Austin looked like the highly-recruited talent he was at North Carolina before a year-long suspension ended his career. His 4.8 40 and explosiveness in drills could allow a team to forget about the off-field issues to pick him early. Luiget isn't quite in the athletic stratosphere of Dareus and Fairley, but he acquitted himself well with his speed (4.95), movement and strong punch. Wilkerson ran a bit better than expected, coming in right around 5.0 in his 40 and showing some of the same agility his tape portended he would have."
cbssportsline.com

Great part of this draft is that in round two there will still be some amazing dline pickups to be had. This draft is just brimming with quality front 7 players.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

monk811 vs mook811. Change one letter and the handle fits like ...

Posted by: ThePitcher | March 1, 2011 12:18 PM |

Not only is it just one letter, it's an adjacent letter!

Posted by: TheCatcher | March 1, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If you're gonna talk to yourself, at least come up with another User ID so it doesn't look like your crazy!

There, changed them for ya!!!

So which one is it BTW? Or do you go both ways???

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

pa, he got close, not sure if he scored or not

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2011 12:38 PM

Ahhhh no touchdown...no yards even...but it was a big pick right before half...guess I get partial credit.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Great part of this draft is that in round two there will still be some amazing dline pickups to be had. This draft is just brimming with quality front 7 players.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 1, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Heck, some of those NTs may even fall into the 3rd round. I'd love to swap fat al for a 3rd rounder and walk away with Cameron Jordan, Justin Houston, and Jerrell Powe.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Here is another guy that will be a top 15 pick.

Jimmy Smith Colorado 6-2 211 4.38 24 Reps

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you ACTUALLY knew those names!!! lmfao

I didn't know what kind of NERD I was dealing with, but now I do.

Posted by: mook811 | March 1, 2011 12:09 PM |

Dude - "knew those names"? Christ Almighty. Ain't you never heard of the verb "to google"? HTF dumb are you? Do we have convert "dumber" to "dumbest"?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | March 1, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

And it looks like Chris Culliver just ran himself out of the 6th round.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm kinda surprised Portis has been the only player released thus far. Here's who I think is next, and they'll probably wait until after the draft now:

Phillip Daniels
Roydell Williams
Sam Paulescu
Phillip Buchanon

Players who are UFA's and won't be resigned:

Chris Wilson
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Stephon Heyer
Santana Moss

Players who will be cut if we can't find a trade partner:

Donovan McNabb
Albert Haynesworth
Derrick Dockery
Andre Carter

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

When your second best receiver last season was a slow footed tight end coming off of a broken leg, you need a receiver. I would like to see Julio Jones at 10. If not then another OLB.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 1, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Dude - "knew those names"? Christ Almighty. Ain't you never heard of the verb "to google"? HTF dumb are you? Do we have convert "dumber" to "dumbest"?

Posted by: TheAnalPuppeteer | March 1, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Way to do research for your lame posts!

And I call dumber, PA can be dumbest for thinking Bailey took it to the house!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

When your second best receiver last season was a slow footed tight end coming off of a broken leg, you need a receiver. I would like to see Julio Jones at 10. If not then another OLB.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 1, 2011 1:09 PM
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Or maybe you need an offensive line that can give the QB more time to check down to the third or fourth receiver. Improving just one aspect of the offense or defense will make the team a lot better. They need guys who can block and big guys on defense that can collapse the pocket. Sure, they could also use a big receiver or a pass rushing linebacker, but my point is, the needs are numerous. I'm not a fan of taking the best player available, but in this draft - with the holes Washington has - they could pretty much draft a janitor and improve the team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is another guy that will be a top 15 pick.

Jimmy Smith Colorado 6-2 211 4.38 24 Reps

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2011 12:56 PM
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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_17504551?source=rss
It's not all about the workout, Diesel. this guy has serious red flags.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

How many would I take over Julio Jones?

Cameron Jordan

Marcell Dareus


.......sure, next question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And I call dumber, PA can be dumbest for thinking Bailey took it to the house!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:15 PM

Maybe drunkest...but not dumbest...hessone holds that honor...maybe "next to last dumbest"?

I do remember it being a beautiful sunday afternoon...perfect drinking weather.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"I think missing games the past 2 seasons gave me the opportunity to rest up." Yeah, right, and it also told coaches that you are now injury prone, dummy...Rest up good because you will be at home this upcoming season...

Sometimes it's best for an athlete to just keep their mouth shut and just wish his old team good luck.

Posted by: pentagon40 | March 1, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard much chatter on Chris Horton...

What will happen with him?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe you need an offensive line that can give the QB more time to check down to the third or fourth receiver. Improving just one aspect of the offense or defense will make the team a lot better. They need guys who can block and big guys on defense that can collapse the pocket. Sure, they could also use a big receiver or a pass rushing linebacker, but my point is, the needs are numerous. I'm not a fan of taking the best player available, but in this draft - with the holes Washington has - they could pretty much draft a janitor and improve the team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not opposed to them drafting OL or DL. The Skins need both. It just seems those two positions are a little deeper in this draft as far as potential starters. I think they can get either a DL or OL or even OLB starter in round two. I think the drop off for WR is greater in round two.

If Moss is really gone then there is not another WR on the Skins roster that would start for any other team in this league.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 1, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Players who are UFA's and won't be resigned:

Stephon Heyer

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:07 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Heyer if they switched him to guard. He did pretty well subbing there as I recall. He'd provide some depth anyway.

Posted by: skinswest | March 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Haven't heard much chatter on Chris Horton.....What will happen with him?

I'd re-vamp our entire safety group.

K Barnes is now a FS.

R Doughty is fine.

M Harris deserves an extended look.

I bring in a drafted kid and FA vet safety.

But Moore and Horton are done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks...

Do you ever notice how we as fans talk ourselves into being losers. All the time I hear...

"You don't take a QB at #10 with so many other holes..."

OR

"A WR at #10 is nuts"

We are perennial losers for 3 reasons:

1) Since Charlie Casserly, we have not had a truely good talent evaluator picking talent for this team

2) We've had too much change in coaching and philosophies.

3) We have overpaid for inferior talent.

I am willing to put my confidence in Mike Shanahan in that he is a better talent evaluator than Vinny Cerrato....maybe not as good as Bethard, but better than Vinny.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I agree on Heyer...

We've invested a lot in him. I think he's a solid depth guy. Heyer's a guy that can spell you a few games if you're starter's down.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I do remember it being a beautiful sunday afternoon...perfect drinking weather.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wind was out of the NE, 65 degrees, light and variable. Both bongs were ready to go, both beer and weed. Coolers filled with ice, sock puppets were on!

I do remember it was nice enough that you did a drunken streak after the Bailey interception, good times!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree on Heyer...

We've invested a lot in him. I think he's a solid depth guy. Heyer's a guy that can spell you a few games if you're starter's down.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I wish people would quit doggin him. He's done pretty well for being an undrafted FA. If Heyer was any better he'd be a starter. We need depth too.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I do remember it was nice enough that you did a drunken streak after the Bailey interception, good times!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:35 PM

Ahhhh yes...I don't think the girls next to us appreciated the humor in my third sock puppet.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

I am willing to put my confidence in Mike Shanahan in that he is a better talent evaluator than Vinny Cerrato...

I feel the same way.

But right now, I feel something else: this offseason is extremely important and will show if M Shanahan has finally 'learned' the roster.

The McNabb, AH, Galloway, etc. mishaps are what they were.

But now, Shanallen should have some very concrete ideas about how the team will and should be fixed.

I trust them like you do.

But I will say when I see things differently.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind seeing Heyer if they switched him to guard. He did pretty well subbing there as I recall. He'd provide some depth anyway.

Posted by: skinswest | March 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, just don't think it would happen. I see us going for a more 'natural' Guard.

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh yes...I don't think the girls next to us appreciated the humor in my third sock puppet.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 1, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but it was funny seeing that big bird going after it like it was a worm. I've never seen you move like that before!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks...

Do you ever notice how we as fans talk ourselves into being losers. All the time I hear...

"You don't take a QB at #10 with so many other holes..."

OR

"A WR at #10 is nuts"

Posted by: rickyroge | March 1, 2011 1:33 PM

What you're seeing is that we are affected by our experiences. It kind of preceeds Vinny, really.

This is our list of 1st round draft picks since 1991:

1991 17 Bobby Wilson DT Michigan State
1992 4 Desmond Howard WR Michigan
1993 19 Tom Carter DB Notre Dame
1994 3 Heath Shuler QB Tennessee
1995 4 Michael Westbrook WR Colorado
1996 30 Andre Johnson T Penn State
1997 17 Kenard Lang DE Miami (FL)
1998 No first-round draft pick
1999 7 Champ Bailey CB Georgia
2000 2 LaVar Arrington LB Penn State
3 Chris Samuels T Alabama
2001 15 Rod Gardner WR Clemson
2002 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2003 No first-round draft pick
2004 5 Sean Taylor S Miami (FL)
2005 9 Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
2006 No first-round draft pick
2007 6 LaRon Landry S Louisiana State
2008 No first-round draft pick
2009 13 Brian Orakpo DE Texas
2010 4 Trent Williams OT Oklahoma

On this list, you see 3 WRs (Howard, Westbrook, Gardner) and 3 QBs (Schuler, Ramsey, Campbell).

Of those 6 QBs and WRs, the only one who even gave us average NFL quality performance was Jason Campbell--and half the fanbase seems to despise him.

The only real game-changers we've drafted in the first round in decades now were on the defensive side of the ball (plus a couple of top notch OTs).

As a Skins fan, I don't think I'm alone in feeling the burn from all those franchise-killing 1st round busts on offense.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 1, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook to me was the biggest disappointment. When he was on the field he took games over. He had size, speed, and big-play ability. What a waste.

Posted by: monk811 | March 1, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Given that Redskins do in fact have need positions strewn about both sides of the ball (except TE and don't take a RB in the 1st!),

and given that Redskins are lacking some picks in the draft,

It seems to me the best possible move with the ten pick is to take 2 players minimum with the pick.

Trade the ten for "The Player" some team wants. Patsies, for one, would love to get Julio, no? And they certainly have the picks.

Redskins don't need the best guy at ten, they need 4 or 5 guys in the top 96.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 1, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Afraid of contact but he is one of the best blocking rbs in the league.

Posted by: jagtiani1 | March 1, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Afraid of contact? Ever see him pick up a blitz?

Posted by: jagtiani1 | March 1, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

1. Jim Brown+ 104.3 1957-1965 cle
2. Barry Sanders+ 99.8 1989-1998 det
3. Chris Johnson (25) 97.8 2008-2010 oti
4. Terrell Davis 97.5 1995-2001 den
5. Adrian Peterson (25) 94.8 2007-2010 min
6. Eric Dickerson+ 90.8 1983-1993 4TM
7. Walter Payton+ 88.0 1975-1987 chi
8. Clinton Portis (29) 87.8 2002-2010 2TM
9. LaDainian Tomlinson (31) 85.9 2001-2010 2TM

Posted by: MonkMossMann | March 2, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

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