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Clinton Portis is the only player to miss Redskins practice

Six Chicago Bears players missed practice with injuries Wednesday, but only Clinton Portis (groin) missed the Redskins' first practice session of the week as the two teams began preparing to play each other Sunday.

Tight end Chris Cooley (head) and fullback Mike Sellers (heel) were both limited for Washington, according to the injury report.

For the Bears, linebackers Brian Urlacher (groin) and Lance Briggs (ankle) head the list of players who sat out. Also missing practice in Chicago were: cornerback Zackary Bowman (foot), guard Robert Garza (knee), and safeties Chris Harris (knee) and Danieal Manning (back). Safety Major Wright (hamstring) was limited.

By Rick Maese  | October 20, 2010; 5:30 PM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis  
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One player missing practice by week 6?

Shanahan's conditioning rigidity is paying off.

Posted by: psps23 | October 20, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Safety Major Wright (hamstring) was limited."


Let's see what happens when Captain Chaos takes Major Wright deep.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

One player missing practice by week 6?

Shanahan's conditioning rigidity is paying off.

Posted by: psps23 | October 20, 2010 5:41 PM

It also helps that he cut and IR'd most of the guys who were typically injured.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Re: Helmet Hits

I'm not sure why nothing has been done recently to improve helmet technology. It shouldn't be that hard to design a helmet with better padding, like a motorcycle helmet, but not as heavy.

If you've played football, or watched it up close, you know that helmet to helmet hits happen on every play. So is this new rule just designed to protect wides and Qbs? There is no way to keep a linebackers head from hitting a running backs head once in a while.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've thought bout it some, I do understand why the NFL won't use a partial destruction helmet like a motorcycle helmet: BAD PR. Imgagine a player having to come off the field to change equipment and his helmet is hanging half in two. It would look awful. Of course it WOULD be better than to have him carted off the field unable to recall what day it was. The NFL, it's all about the money.
Of course, they could put a gel pack filled with a viscous red liquid just under the surface of a partial destruction helmet. That way when it cracked it could look like blood dripping out. The NFL might like that.
Simple solution, folks: use partial destruction technology, and use it now! It is proven to reduce head injuries.

Posted by: MrChili | October 20, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

In a crazy year, I decided it would be fun to look at which stats seem to provide an insight into who is winning and why.

The top 4 QBs ,in yds/game, have led their teams to a combined 9-14 record. That’s Rivers, Orton, Peyton and romo – all with 90+ QB ratings, 2 with 100+.

The QBs ranked 16-19 in yds/game are 17-6. That’s Henne, Sanchez, Brady and Cutler. None have a 100 rating, 2 are in the 90s and 2 are in the 80s. Plus, Cutler has taken the most sacks.

The top 4 teams in yards/carry are philly, Houston, Jets, and KC. Combined record: 16-7. Of the top 8 teams in total rushing yards, 7 are above .500, 1 is at .500.

Another telling stat is rushing TDs. Hou (9), philly (7), Tenn (8), nyg (7), Bal (6), SD (6), nyj (6), Indy (5), Pitt (5), GB (5), Skins (5). 16 games over .500 combined. 11 teams have 5 or more rushing TDs, 10 of those are .500 or above.

Look at a mirror image of that rushing TD stat. Defenses on the 1 loss teams have given a total of just 5 rushing TDs; NE (1), NYJ (2) and Pitt (2).

But is this indicative of something else?

Of the 300+ turnovers in the league so far, there are 54 more INTs than fumbles. But let’s take that a bit further. On average, QBs have lost 1 fumble each so far this year – most of those on pass plays. Another 20 or so fumbles have been lost by WRs and TEs. What does this add up to? About 75% of turnovers occur on pass plays. For years, the stats have said that winning the turnover battle is the best indicator of who wins the game.

It has generally been accepted that runs are safer than passes, but that passes are needed to score since runs don’t gain the needed yards to move the ball consistently. Still, it is worth noting there are 4 teams that run more than pass. Jets, Chiefs, Steelers and Titans – combined 10 games over .500 – all leading their division. Now some may say that I have confused cause and effect, that winning teams get the lead though the air, then run the ball to shorten the game. But that really isn’t true for any of these 4 teams – all are committed ‘run first’ teams -- none even had a proven passing QB until Big Ben returned this week.

In short, the run game is meaningful again.

So where do the Skins stand? We’ve cleared out much of the old growth from our run game. From preseason in 2010, out are Portis, Johnson, Parker and Dockery. Going back to 2009, the only remaining RB or OL person starting for this team is Rabach. The Colts struggle vs the run, but signs of the Shanahan run game were everywhere, as the stretch plays and cutback runs worked well. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come -- because the run game matters.

And that is a wrap on ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 20, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Shefter just came on SC with a report that Dallas Clark is out with a hand/wrist injury. Landry delivered the blow, a legal hit, on the drive in the 4th that the Colts went 3 and out.

Also, still cannot figure out why the London Fletcher hit on Joseph Addai is lumped into some of this weekend's headshots. Seen it a couple times and it looked perfectly legal and he went in with his shoulder pad. Am I missing something? I know he didn't get fined or anything, it just seems weird. Also Greg Easterbrook wrote about it in his TMQ article this week as illegal, didn't seem to be the case.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 20, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse


Clinton Portis is the only player to miss Redskins practice

it's back to square one with portis

shanahan is ahead of schedule with this team. just think back to this time last year and how the season played out. at least we are well conditioned.

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This time last year we were 2-4, this time 2 years ago we were 4-2

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Responding to an earlier post about making helmets safer, today's helmets are far safer than those used in the past. That is part of the problem, not part of the solution. The safer the helmet, the more likely it will be used as a weapon or in the tackle. I propose the reverse, go back to the days of leather helmets and no face masks. The survival instinct will kick in and players will learn to tackle without using their heads or suffer broken noses and broken jaws. Another way to correct this problem is more punative penalties; 2 15 yard penalties and ejection for using the helmet or an illegal tackle. When enough players are ejected, the coaches will start enforcing safer tackling practices as a method of survival...THEIR job survival!

Posted by: rdstr93 | October 20, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Two years ago we went 2-6 over the final 8 games and missed the playoffs.

I don't see that happening this year. We might miss the playoffs, but I don't see us imploding and sliding like that.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 20, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse


pete rozelle just rolled over

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Too much fuss is being made over the stiffer penalties for helmet to helmet contact.

Hits like Meriweather's and Harrison's (helmet to helmet) are ILLEGAL and should be flagged and fined.

Hits like Dunta Robinson are LEGAL (shoulder to chest) shouldn't be flagged or fined.

It's that simple.

OR....Could this be the NFL's way to sell the player's union on the new safer NFL so that they can move towards a 18 game season?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

This time last year we were 2-4, this time 2 years ago we were 4-2

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 20, 2010 7:22 PM

I wonder how those seasons turned out?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

personally, i would happily trade 5 years at the end of my life or risk catastrophic injury to have a nice, 8-year career on the 47-man roster at the vet minimum.

Goodell, quit being such a p**sy about this.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

oh, and if it hasn't been said, FREE POOPY!

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse


personally, i would happily trade 5 years at the end of my life or risk catastrophic injury to have a nice, 8-year career on the 47-man roster at the vet minimum.

Goodell, quit being such a p**sy about this.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:00 PM |

now there's a man that knows what he wants

Posted by: hessone | October 20, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

He's not being a pussy, blame ESPN and the media for making it sound like he's trying to eliminate contact.

He's trying to eliminate ILLEGAL helmet to helmet hits and increase the fines and suspensions.

How is that a bad thing?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

personally, i would happily trade 5 years at the end of my life or risk catastrophic injury to have a nice, 8-year career on the 47-man roster at the vet minimum.

Goodell, quit being such a p**sy about this.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:00 PM

The idea is that people shouldn't have to choose. They should have the five years at the end of their lives AND a nice, 8-year career.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

He's not being a pussy, blame ESPN and the media for making it sound like he's trying to eliminate contact.

He's trying to eliminate ILLEGAL helmet to helmet hits and increase the fines and suspensions.

How is that a bad thing?

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:07 PM

i would answer that with a personal observation. have you noticed how defenders with free shots on the QB hold up at the last second now? cost Landry a sack on Romo in the first game this year.

different scenario, but you see where it's headed?

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Rich McKay: Illegal hits go beyond helmet-to-helmet
Posted by Michael David Smith on October 20, 2010 7:57 PM ET
Rich McKay is both the president of the Falcons and the co-chair of the NFL's competition committee, and that means he's walking a fine line in discussing the $50,000 fine handed down to Falcons cornerback Dunta Robinson for a violent collision with Eagles receiver DeSean Jackson.

But McKay attempted to walk that line Wednesday night on NFL Network's "Competition Committee" segment when discussing the hit that got Robinson fined. And while McKay didn't come right out and say that that Robinson deserved a penalty and stiff fine, he did say that a defensive player who launches himself at a defenseless receiver can be flagged and fined even if there's no helmet-to-helmet contact.

"A lot of people call it helmet-to-helmet but that's really not the way you can call it anymore because in essence it says that until a player has completed the act of a catch, you cannot initiate contact to the head or neck area with your shoulder, your forearm or your helmet," McKay said. "That was expanded two years ago because there were so many hits going on where there was a shoulder hit that was going to the receiver and causing injury."

So even if Robinson only used his shoulder to hit Jackson, it was still a penalty. That will come as a surprise to a lot of NFL fans who thought a hit with the shoulder pads is a textbook example of what a defensive player should do. But McKay said the NFL is just trying to make players safe -- not change the way players play.

"People get concerned that you're changing the game," McKay said. "We're not trying to change the game in any way, shape or form."

McKay said that the league's motivation is, "We're trying to get away from having situations in which players are subjected to unreasonable risk of injury."

NFL Network's Rich Eisen questioned why instant replay couldn't be used to check whether a hit is legal or illegal, pointing out that Jets safety Jim Leonhard was flagged for unnecessary roughness even though the replay appeared to show that Leonhard did nothing against the rules.

"Replay is not a panacea -- we're not a league that's going to try to get every play and call right," McKay said. "We're going to try to use replay as a complementary system to correct the obvious error on the big, big play. . . . I don't see us as a league that wants to get into the business of having penalties be reviewed."

But while referees won't use replay to review illegal hits during the game, we'll all continue to scrutinize replays to review illegal hits after the game. And some of that scrutiny will lead to fines and suspensions -- even for players who don't lead with their helmets.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 20, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:13 PM

Landry missed him. Landry has never passed up a shot. There is a strike zone for hitting QBs and defenseless players...It's below the the neck.

Harrison and Meriweathers went to the head. They deserved the flag and the fine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Harrison and Meriweathers went to the head. They deserved the flag and the fine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:18 PM

this i agree with. however, under the proposed enforcement, Jarmon would be facing a huge fine and suspension for his hit on Rodgers the other week.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Imagine a guy like John Wayne had been cryogenically preserved only to be awakend once the necessary technology came about. He would learn that dudes are marrying dudes, our military is run by civilians who only want to win an election and a fully-padded NFL football player knocking the ever-loving crap out of their opponent draws a flag.

A guy like Wayne would probably put a gun to his own head and say in a disappointed tone, "Wake me up in another hundred years."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d81b75b34/Playbook-Keys-t.

breakdown of our poor DL and OL play from last week.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Great, another crusade for Goodell. He already solved this problem by eliminating football next year.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

OR....Could this be the NFL's way to sell the player's union on the new safer NFL so that they can move towards a 18 game season?
Posted by: Diesel44

This is definitely part of it. Everything comes back to greed with the NFL. (Or NCAA for that matter.) I just don't see how they can referee this in a fair way. Everything is going to be so subjective. It's going to turn football into gymnastics. "Oh, that was a 9 of an illegal hit!" "Oh, that was a 2."

I think this is what happens when you put a lawyer in charge of a sport.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Great, another crusade for Goodell. He already solved this problem by eliminating football next year.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:27 PM

Is he also responsible for the Cowboy's season being over after week 6?

personal foul on me..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Great, another crusade for Goodell. He already solved this problem by eliminating football next year.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:27 PM

Is he also responsible for the Cowboy's season being over after week 6?

personal foul on me..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:33 PM |

Maybe Dr. Goodell will suspend all football operations after the last regular season game of 2010. That way, there would be no Super Bowl and Jerruh would get a re-do for the 2011 season.


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Is he also responsible for the Cowboy's season being over after week 6?

personal foul on me..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:33 PM

im'a write off the Cowgirls as soon as they lose to the Giants this week. i can't do it before that, even at 1-4 they have like a 7% chance to still make the playoffs.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Nicely put...for a fan with one fewer loss than a team whose season is tanked.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Nicely put...for a fan with one fewer loss than a team whose season is tanked.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM

two up in the win column, though.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Responding to an earlier post about making helmets safer, today's helmets are far safer than those used in the past. That is part of the problem, not part of the solution. The safer the helmet, the more likely it will be used as a weapon or in the tackle. I propose the reverse, go back to the days of leather helmets and no face masks.

Posted by: rdstr93

Safer doesn't mean making it more dangerous. But looking at the whole problem -- both the impact and the protection aspects, is needed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 20, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Everything is going to be so subjective.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 8:29 PM

There will be wrong calls. So what? There always have been wrong calls and there always will be wrong calls.

Do you deny that this will cut down on head injuries?

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

100 million up in the Albert Haynesworth column.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Nicely put...for a fan with one fewer loss than a team whose season is tanked.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM

It's all about expectations.

Mine: 8-8

Cowboy fans: Super Bowl or bust

Anyways I'm done busting your balls, you're a good dude..

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

at one point i heard someone up here calling the Cowgirls' stadium an overgrown Best-Buy store...brilliant!

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

merp

Posted by: JasonScrampbell | October 20, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

From an Andy Behrens:

"There's a non-trivial chance that either Brian Orakpo(notes) or LaRon Landry(notes) (or both) will do unspeakable things to Cutler on Sunday."

Hopefully legally unspeakable.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

man hes taking up space on my fantasy roster

Posted by: JasonScrampbell | October 20, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

From an Andy Behrens:

"There's a non-trivial chance that either Brian Orakpo(notes) or LaRon Landry(notes) (or both) will do unspeakable things to Cutler on Sunday."

Hopefully legally unspeakable.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 20, 2010 9:00 PM

a little of the old ultra-violence. real horror-show.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Do you deny that this will cut down on head injuries?
Posted by: beep-beep

Of course not. Just like over-protecting the Qbs has reduced injuries.

I don't want to see anyone seriously injured, but I admit I'm a little old school when it comes to hitting. I love great defense, and I don't think it is boring at all. The league has just reached a crossroads when it comes to the hypocrisy of promoting a violent sport and than trying to turn it into a safe sport. Football will never be a safe sport.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Nicely put...for a fan with one fewer loss than a team whose season is tanked.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Scoreboard, biatch.

Posted by: p1funk | October 20, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Chicago is a waaaaayyy beatable team.

2.5 favorites at home basically means we are equal, but they get a small bump for homefield advantage.

Of course DMac is from Chicago, so does he have homefield advantage? Maybe he gets his first multiple TD game of the year? I hope so b/c we're not going to run it well against these guys.

A couple of defensive TDs would be nice...maybe Brandon Banks finally breaks a big one, he's been close.

Posted by: p1funk | October 20, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is the only player to miss Redskins practice


Kirk: Spock, this headline, is it, is it, from last year?

Spock: According to my tri-corder reading it is.

This 'CP' fellow is once again missing a great deal of the redskin season.

But the fanbase, coaches, and team says he, a guy who's missed a ton of time is invaluable.

And that, Captain, is what's illogical.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

personally, i would happily trade 5 years at the end of my life or risk catastrophic injury to have a nice, 8-year career on the 47-man roster at the vet minimum.

Goodell, quit being such a p**sy about this.

Posted by: terrapin3

If that "end of your life" was say age 95-100, I'm not sure I don't agree. But that isn't what has been happening. Players in the prime of their life, 40's and 50's are suffering dementia, committing suicide, slurring words and showing other signs of brain injury.

It's real easy to sit behind a keyboard and call a commissioner a "p**sy" but the fact is Goodell is a good man with a near impossible task.

Keep ignoring brain injuries and he'll find out what baseball found out when they ignored Steroids. The Media, the people and then the lawmakers will start making the decisions for him..

There are solutions. Start with "no launching". Players know exactly what that means, and it's easy to enforce. Launch at a guy and put him out with a Concussion, you're suspended AND fined.

As (I think) Rodney Haarrison--non p**sy he--was saying the other night, it's just a matter of DBs adjusting their aiming point lower. There will still be hard hits.

And the Barcalounger heroes can sit back, sip your suds and say "that's the way the game should be played."

I love hard hitting football. Just aim at the torso, not the butterbean.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, p1. Just an ironic appearance.

I'm clinging to that 3/4 losses thing like democrats to the error margin of a gallup poll.

Which reminds me.

But does not beg the question.

Where are moe and Scamp anyway?

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I can perfectly see why the Robinson hit was fined. You can't see it from one angle, but another shows Robinson leading with his head and his neck snaps into his shoulders - just stupid as it's the same thing that got the Rutger's guy paralyzed. In this case it's not so much for Jackson, as Robinson contacting Jackson's helmet was incidental, but for Robinson. When you tackle properly, your head doesn't snap into your shoulders.

And anyone who thinks Harrison shouldn't retire or be banned is kidding themselves. His comments recently aren't bad (the hurt vs. injure thing), until you read the part about Cribbs "sleeping" on the field. WTFrig, a NFL football player "sleeps" on the field to get an extra couple seconds after crumpling to the field - Really? If a player wanted an extra few seconds to catch their breath, they'd do an AH job and pretend to need respiratory support or hurt a leg, not their brain.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 20, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:13 PM

he obviously doesn't have the body of work of a CP, but wasn't anyone reminded of a '99-vintage Stephen Davis when watching Torain with the ball last week?

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Right here SMACK....gotta run.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

It's real easy to sit behind a keyboard and call a commissioner a "p**sy" but the fact is Goodell is a good man with a near impossible task.

Posted by: TheCork | October 20, 2010 9:16 PM

i think implicit in my statement was the desire to have enough talent to get out there in the first place.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

100 million up in the Albert Haynesworth column.


Kirk baffled again: Spock, this Haynesworth fellow.

Is it me or does he dominate the threads but not the field during games?

Try a Vulcan mind reading with him.

Spock coming out of the mind reading daze:

I see great pain in the man.

There is longing for a place called Tennessee.

It seems this man once once a giant called Titan, but for now is a lowly underperforming Redskin.

He has a desire for hoochie mommas.

He owes people money and avoids paying them.

And on a deeper level, a clever force known as a 'stripper' has her vagina gripped tightly about his source of power--something called a 'bank account'.

And like so many of the people we've met in this primitive blog, this Haynesworth fellow talks loudly without saying or producing anything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

and as an aside, Rodney Harrison wasn't any better than Andre Waters, if you remember who he was.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Now I've got it Moe. I need to save your posts and read 'em really high. I ordered some pipes and they make me sign for them. Delivery window 8am - 7pm.

My first thought most mornings is fjk, it's not the weekend, and half the time when it is, I have to go to work tomorrow anyway.

What do you think AH's first thought most mornings is.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

"...but wasn't anyone reminded of a '99-vintage Stephen Davis when watching Torain with the ball last week?"


Yeah, sure.

And I want to talk to Brian Urlacher after the game this week.

I want to know how it felt seeing Mike Sellars lead blocking right at him with Ryan Torain coming up from behind.

The "BOB" lead power run play should create some dynamite collusions.

That is, if you think voilent play fits in with a league of men adorned in uniforms trimmed in pink.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I love hard hitting football. Just aim at the torso, not the butterbean.
Posted by: TheCork

That's easy to say from the sideline. There is no strike zone in football. The opposing player is not standing still. You can't always control exactly what part of the body you hit. And if everyone starts aiming lower then there will be new rules to outlaw knee hitting. What's next, protecting feet?

Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I ordered some pipes and they make me sign for them. Delivery window 8am - 7pm.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 9:31 PM

careful they don't pull a reverse Tommy Chong bust on ya.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

It's just tobacco pipes for a halloween costume. I didn't realize it was going to be a big deal.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

and as an aside, Rodney Harrison wasn't any better than Andre Waters, if you remember who he was.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:27 PM

It was Andre "Dirty" Waters.

Chuck Cecil was the king of the cheap shots.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

What's next? Putting flags on the QBs and WRs... the LBs can have red capes and if the WR goes through one, then he's out of the play and the LB can do an O-lay dance ;->

This is just plain stupid... let them play football.

Posted by: siris | October 20, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Cecil was the king of the cheap shots.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 9:43 PM

ironically (i think) ol' Chuck is a DB coach now. i wonder if Mark Carrier is still coaching DB's at USC.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It's just tobacco pipes for a halloween costume. I didn't realize it was going to be a big deal.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 20, 2010 9:41 PM

you're probably fine. i just get paranoid when i smoke out of those "tobacco" pipes, y'know?

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Now I've got it...I need to save your posts and read 'em really high.


I cannot say that I endorse this fellow's actions.

I mean, think of the children.

(Not like that, silly. Thinking about them like that is sick.)

And what makes the content of what I submit to this forum the stuff that means, like Dylan used to sing, that "Everybody must get stoned."?

Someone called me the blogs' Uncle Fester when I see myself a Gilligan on a island where both Ginger and Mary Ann are man-hating lesbians.

Reading my posts while under the influence of a narcotic is frowned upon as you might get me confused with frak and thus, sully his fine reputation.

The point of most of them--when there is one--is that snarky observation, irony, and football do all make a nice mix.

And when they don't, count on me to make a collage of bad ideas and jokes that would shock a stoned art teacher.

You don't need drugs to enjoy what I post as reading my stuff should kill just enough brain cells to achieve a similar effect.

(Even now, you haven't noticed the amount of time you've wasted for a punchline that will never come.)

Reading my posts is legal in every state where yours is altered.

So I encourage you to get high on my supply.

And remember: I'm just the friend who helps you get by with a little help, is all.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

This is just plain stupid... let them play football.

Posted by: siris | October 20, 2010 9:46 PM

What's next is fewer head injuries. What's stupid is not acting before now. And, they will play football. No one will stop them.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Cecil is the DC for the Titans. He was fined 2 weeks ago for giving the finger to a ref after a perceived bad call.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

You can't always control exactly what part of the body you hit. And if everyone starts aiming lower then there will be new rules to outlaw knee hitting. What's next, protecting feet?
Posted by: NYPDee | October 20, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

So, what you're saying is that the best football players in the world, i.e. NFL players, cannot control themselves when tackling such that they can distinguish between projectile launching headfirst and chop block tackling?

How about simply making a standard, textbook tackle in the numbers? Seriously, what happened to fundamental tackling we've all learned since pee wee football?

Posted by: HTTR | October 20, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Cecil is the DC for the Titans. He was fined 2 weeks ago for giving the finger to a ref after a perceived bad call.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 9:54 PM

That's not right. You can't always control your finger. What's next? Guys gonna get fired for looking at the ref cross-eyed? This is so subjective. He probably meant to hold up his index finger. Come on, this is the NFL. Guys have to be tougher than that.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You can't always control exactly what part of the body you hit.


Here's my rule:

"If a defender does not conform to proper tackling technique within three strides of a defenseless offensive player (determined via video replay evidence), and strikes, launches, or uses a forearm shivver or helmet to stop him, it is an automatic 1st down. The ball will be advanced 20 yards after the spot of the foul. The player will be subject to 1 game suspension and 4 game suspensions where the action occurs twice in a season."

I'd say this might clear things up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

How about simply making a standard, textbook tackle in the numbers? Seriously, what happened to fundamental tackling we've all learned since pee wee football?

Posted by: HTTR | October 20, 2010 9:58 PM

highlight culture happened to it. if you get a chance, watch some footage of Mike Curtis. very mean but very clean.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Re: Helmet Hits

There's a freakin' problem with players of a game/sport who enjoy going into a game trying hurt people.

It's one thing to tackle a guy - that's part of a game. It's another thing to play the game like you are trying to cripple someone.

All the sub-human meat-heads like James Harrison; and the have-no-life sadistic drill sergeant coaches who teach them to play the game to hurt people are just twisted human beings. It's that simple. If you're going in to try and hurt someone (as opposed to tackling someone) you should not only be suspended...you should be frickin' arrested.

Posted by: p1funk | October 20, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HTTR

Seriously, what happened to fundamental tackling we've all learned since pee wee football?

Agreed, bad tackling is the source of much of the problem.

Today's player in both college and professional spends more time learning to 'strip' the ball out of a guys' hands to get a turnover, and thus, the basics of a good hard tackle aren't really preached.

In each and every hit that folks are complaining about, the defenders have more than enough time to lower their bodies, and make a solid mid-section tackle.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 20, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

That's not right. You can't always control your (middle) finger.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 20, 2010 10:07 PM

co-sign.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: Helmet Hits

There's a freakin' problem with players of a game/sport who enjoy going into a game trying hurt people.

It's one thing to tackle a guy - that's part of a game. It's another thing to play the game like you are trying to cripple someone.

All the sub-human meat-heads like James Harrison; and the have-no-life sadistic drill sergeant coaches who teach them to play the game to hurt people are just twisted human beings. It's that simple. If you're going in to try and hurt someone (as opposed to tackling someone) you should not only be suspended...you should be frickin' arrested.

Posted by: p1funk | October 20, 2010 10:11 PM

you're right. i've been arguing against the policy and not doing a very good job at it. Harrison's hits were dirty. i have no issue with his punishment. but like i said to someone else, Jarmon's hit on Rodgers would probably draw a huge fine or suspension under these rules (unless i'm misinterpreting them). i know none of us agrees with that.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

James Harrison was right but completely wrong.

It's one thing to hit someone with bad intentions within the rules. He injured (not hurt) two different players with head shots.

He's now taking the cowards approach to his 75k fine. As is Rodney Harrison who made a career of helmet to helmet contact and is now calling out other players for what he was known for.

It's simple. There is a "strike zone" for making contact. It's below the neck and above the knees. It's that simple..

This isn't the pussification of the league, just an attempt to eliminate those players who can't accept the rules.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

This is just plain stupid... let them play football.

Posted by: siris | October 20, 2010 9:46 PM

What's next is fewer head injuries. What's stupid is not acting before now. And, they will play football. No one will stop them.

Posted by: beep-beep

I generally agree with the idea that the technical (micromanagement) aspect of officiating should be diminished. The ref's should be allowed to use some judgment on calls like this within the existing rules. However, the fact is that the game is in some way turning into "smear the queer" in only that the hits are chaotic enough and the management of defensive players and schemes so highly rewarding (to the tune of millions of dollars) brutal hits, that this is getting out of control from a human durability (as well as perhaps a legal and economic perspective).
Would you stick your head in front of a speeding car?? Probably not. The game is going to incur severe repercussions (no pun) from the gladiator sort of model of the game. The changes make sense and are from a very well managed org. (the NFL). Retards make your case to the otherwise...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | October 20, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

There's a lotta culpability with Kolb and the Eagles and his like for leading DeSean into a wicked zone- thank you , Steve Young for the observation..

Anybody else groovin' on the Medieval Japan splatterpunk serial "The Razor" at 1:30 on IFC?? Supercool samurai slashes and blood geysers, and the hero samurai officer has a huge, wart-covered erection that he tortures females into confession with!! A big-time Hollywood-like production, full of medieval realism, a must-see..

"The Redskins Slipped, Dawg...":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dm7AYZ-tg

Posted by: frak | October 20, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | October 20, 2010 10:30 PM

so we've been arguing this point without an insult in the whole thread, then you come and drop the R-bomb.

fnck you, monkeyspunk.

Posted by: terrapin3 | October 20, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

The NFL marketing offense and adjusting the rules to favor the O has brought this on.

50 passes per game, 170 lb WRs going across the middle, the spread O, etc..

I'll say it again...create a strike zone for contact and penalize those that don't play within the rules. Don't penalize and flag a guy like Dunta Robinson for his legal hit on D jack.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Diesel - why not penalize and flag a guy who was stupid enough to injure himself due to poor technique (leading with his head straight into DJ's chest)? I mean concussion-induced brain damage is one type of life-altering injury, but spinal cord injuries are no joke either.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 20, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

JesusFreakKaren-

That was a shoulder to chest hit. That's perfectly legal. 170lb WRs have NO business going over the middle.

I can't believe that was a flag and a fine.

I'm on the same side as you on this but I'm against leading with the helmet and completely for violent hits within the rules.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 20, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Diesel - you're looking at it from the wrong angle. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAR_zEvT7dM Look at that, approximately 1 minute 10 seconds - you'll see that the first point of contact is Robinson's head. He attempted to turn it to the side so he could lead w/ his shoulder, but thoroughly failed. If he just led with his shoulder, and therefore his shoulder hit DJ first, how could he have gotten a concussion?

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 20, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Freakin' "Rollerball" hypocrisy...Football is a warfare sport for a warfare state...If Americans were allowed to see the raw WAR we are perpetrating in the Mideast peoples, like in Vietnam, we'd be OUT of there by now...Instead the Rich Elites bought up all the mass media vessicles like you, Washington Post, and we're given bogus ersatz lies..Maybe it's trickling down to tha sports department (DUHHHH!!)...

Posted by: frak | October 20, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Looked like a good hit to me, same as the first time I saw it on TV. He didn't "try" to make helmit to helmit contact. The contact was a result of speed. That's football, good football.

Posted by: msrent | October 20, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say I really have no interest in this topic. Not that it doesn't deserve to be discussed I just really don't care.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 20, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren

You my friend are right. It's intent over what actually occured.

Fine stands...

I've seen the play 10x and had not seen that angle. Dunta lead with his helmet and deserves his fine and penalty.

I'm all for a full contact and violent sport but within the rules.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 21, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's the real deal people. Over the road truckdrivers and jackhammer operators destroy their bodies for their work over periods of years. They just aren't lucky enough to have jobs that society deems worthy of multi million dollar paychecks and you don't hear anyone making a giant stink on the tv about it. If you are too stupid to understand that football hurts then you probably deserve what you got.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 21, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Scott, football is and should be a violent sport, those that are gifted enough to play in the NFL are rewarded handsomely and know the risks involved.

Posted by: msrent | October 21, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for all this legal/illegal hits talk dies down...this whole thing is bullsh*t anyway. Funny how everyone is so outraged over this stuff...EXCEPT FOR THE GUYS THAT GOT HIT!

Seriously...someone should take note that offensive players are every bit as perturbed by these rule changes (or at least the change in the enforcement of existing rules) as the guys playing defense. That should tell you something...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

Keim's Notes and Analysis:

1. The Redskins received good news involving three key players Wednesday.
Linebacker Rocky McIntosh, who missed last week’s loss to the Colts with a concussion, practiced and is expected to play vs. Chicago on Sunday. Tight end Chris Cooley did not practice, but should do so Thursday and, provided he’s symptom-free by that point, he will play Sunday.

“He’s feeling much better so hopefully nothing pops up,” coach Mike Shanahan said.

Finally, Shanahan said they play on making defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth active Sunday. Haynesworth has missed the past two games following the death of his half-brother on Oct. 7.

2. Carlos Rogers’ thoughts on his hands. I will say, the guy is playing well and if he could hold onto those picks he’d be generating Pro Bowl talk. He is the Redskins best corner.

3. Think the new guidelines for hits will slow a guy like LaRon Landry? Think again.

4. Just how close were the Redskins to obtaining Jay Cutler a couple years ago? Maybe five minutes. I remember getting a call from a source who said the Redskins were out of the deal. But he said to hold off because things could change. Sure enough, 15 minutes later this source called back to say it was a “done deal”. The Redskins had Cutler and it would be announced soon.

5. Of course, a couple hours passed and Cutler ended up in Chicago. The source said the turning point came when Denver knew it could get Kyle Orton instead of Jason Campbell.

“It was definitely a possibility,” Cutler said of a deal with Washington. “That’s all we heard for a week or so, that Washington was trying to make it happen. At one point we were really close and I thought that’s where I was going. Then at the last minute it fell through. If that had happened, I would have been under Mike [Shanahan] again. It’s just a funny league.”

6. Would you rather have Donovan McNabb or Jay Cutler? McNabb is a good quarterback with strong credentials. But if the Redskins had traded for Cutler, they likely would have made a move to sign Shanahan shortly thereafter. And that combination was a strong one in Denver. Then again, among the names rumored in the deal: Cooley and Landry. So I’ll ask another one: would you rather have Cutler without those two players or McNabb with them?


more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 5:38 AM | Report abuse

continued...

7. Rogers is very honest about his assessment of the opposition. And he was dead-on with what he said about the Bears, who have allowed 27 sacks (23 against Cutler). The Bears’ line is dreadful; very young on the right side and in transition on the left side. They’ve started eight different players already this season, including ex-Redskin Edwin Williams at right guard.

Then there’s Mike Martz’s system, which does not protect quarterbacks that well. They want to throw long and don’t always have hot routes.

“It’s a combination of both,” Rogers said. “It’s him holding on too long and the line not picking up a lot of the stunts and blitzes. I’ve seen a lot of nickel blitzes open up, a lot of linebacker blitzes. They’ve been leaving holes open everywhere.”

8. And this is Shanahan on having Cutler in Denver: “I think he had 11 sacks out of 616 throws.” Hmmm, wonder what he means?

9. Bears coach Lovie Smith on why they wanted Cutler: “He’s everything you look for in a franchise quarterback. He has size, he’s able to make all the throws. He’s mobile also, which is an added bonus. Sometimes you need to be lucky to get some of the players you want. Most guys end up where they’re supposed to be and Jay is supposed to be a Chicago Bear.”

10. More Rogers. This time about the touchdown pass he allowed vs. Indy, in which he got frozen by Austin Collie’s fake run block, only to see Collie then sprint past him into the end zone for an easy catch.

“I’ll see it again this week,” he said. “It’s a copycat league; they’re gonna do it again in the red zone thinking I’ll be that stupid, but nah.”

11. Um, Smith might want to get a little more acquainted with Landry. He referred to him as LaRon Rogers in his press conference with the Chicago media today. Sure it’s just a slip-up.

12. Six players did not practice for Chicago: CB Zackary Bowman (foot), LB Lance Briggs (ankle), G Roberto Garza (knee), S Chris Harris (knee), S Danieal Manning (back) and LB Brian Urlacher (groin). S Major Wright (hamstring) was limited.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-notes-and-analysis-102010-105389093.html#ixzz12z6rTJWD

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler? What a mistake that would have been. Didn't want either one of them. Thanks again for all the memories Vincent.
It hurts my head just thinking back a few years ago.

Posted by: fat_back | October 21, 2010 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Funny how everyone is so outraged over this stuff...EXCEPT FOR THE GUYS THAT GOT HIT!

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 5:21 AM

Same as smokers. Everyone wants them to stop, except for them. Then, when they develop cancer, they sing a different tune.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 21, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Agreed...whatever Cutler has in arm strength and youth, McNabb more than makes up for in experience, leadership, and natural playmaking ability. I'd take him over Cutler 10 times outta 10 and twice on Sunday, Monday, and sometimes Thursday. The scenario of Cutler vs. McNabb/Cooley/Landry just makes it a total no-brainer.

And somebody needs to tell Rogers that effectively covering a WR and catching INTs aren't an either/or proposition. You can do both effectively...hopefully he'll ask Champ all about it next year when he comes back to D.C. as a free agent...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 6:11 AM | Report abuse

That should tell you something...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 21, 2010 5:21 AM

It should?

Okay, it tells me that we should bring back horse collar tackles, crack-back blocks, tackling by the face mask, blocking from behind. No more pass interference or fair catches on punts, either. Get the refs out of it. Let's make this a real men's sport again!

Posted by: beep-beep | October 21, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

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