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Clinton Portis practices for the first time since Oct. 3 injury

By Jason Reid

Veteran running back Clinton Portis participated in practice Tuesday for the first time since suffering a severe groin injury.

"He took a few plays today, which is a good sign," Coach Mike Shanahan said. "I can't tell ya if he's 60 percent, 70 percent, but he's biting at the bit to get back, which is a good sign. Hopefully, he'll keep on improving over the bye week."

Portis has been sidelined the past four games after suffering the injury during the Week 4 victory against the Philadelphia Eagles. The nine-year veteran was expected to be out at least four to six weeks.

After the bye week, the Redskins resume their schedule Nov. 15 against the Eagles at FedEx Field. Portis plans to continue to rehab during the Redskins' break.

"I think where he's got to gauge himself is on certain types of cuts," Shanahan said. "He can go straight ahead and kind of get a good feel. ... I don't know where his groin is at [in terms of his recovery], but you've got to be really careful when ya cut.

"He made a few cuts today, which was a good sign. He didn't have any repercussions by it, which is very positive. So this week, hopefully, he can just get some more endurance in, kind of test himself a little bit more and see where he's at on Monday."

Tight end Chris Cooley (ankle and back spasms), running back Ryan Torain (hamstring) and fullback Mike Sellers (heel) did not participate in practice. Safety Chris Horton (ankle) did not attend practice.

By Jason Reid  | November 2, 2010; 2:47 PM ET
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Comments

can't wait to hear Portis' thoughts on the McNabb benching. Should be good!

"uh you know, we all behind him. We know Donovan is the man. He's rock solid man. Anyone around here knows he been good for us. But you know, Shanahan the boss around here and what he say goes. I'm just gonna say nothin more on this. You guys tryin to get me to say somethin but it ain't gonna happen. Look we all a team here. We behind whoever our QB is. F Lavar"

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. CP and Torain will be a decent combo.

Its hard to watch Torain run east or west. It is great to see him running North.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the "ya"s in the quotes all of a sudden?

Posted by: zimbar | November 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I am a new big fan of CP26. He gets his haircut by the same guy I do, in Waldorf MD. CP is actually a cool guy in person. I wish him well.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

That druggy Russell should have gone to jail, nothing I hate worse than druggies!

Signed,
Dexter Manley

Posted by: monk811 | November 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

This is what quoting without context could provide you:

" ... I don't know where his groin is ...."

Posted by: fan3 | November 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

tyvm, rocco!

Go 'Canes!

suckit WaPo... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I think that the Shanahans need to drop some of their stuborness about implimenting their system and come up with some ways to alter their playcalling to adjust to the weaknesses of our personell.

Against Detroit, our O-line was getting dominated in the middle, but the playcalling was never adapted to counteract that problem. The Shanahans should have run plays that would get the ball out of McNabb's hands quickly, Moved him out of the pocket, thrown some screen passes (like the one that yeilded a touchdown), or some quick toss runs that get to the outside quickly. All of these things are effective at counteracting a strong inside pass rush, but the Skins called very few of these types of plays.

It is true that McNabb played poorly, but it is also true that the Shanahans did not call plays that would have given him a chance to excell.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the "ya"s in the quotes all of a sudden?

Posted by: zimbar | November 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse
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They are there because you touch yourself at night.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I am a new big fan of CP26. He gets his haircut by the same guy I do, in Waldorf MD. CP is actually a cool guy in person. I wish him well.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 3:01 PM |

I know a guy that set up and maintains/maintained his 100k+ aquariums/systems. He says Portis is a doosh and wants everything for free. I believe that without question.

If he can play, I'm totally down with him but when he has a crap attitude and then can't play to boot, I hate him.

He sucks at this point. Vlade Divac thinks he flops too much. Dick Fosbury is willing to sell his signature move "Fosbury Flop" to CP for a nominal sum.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

periculum

Campbell is starting to look a lot better.

Campbell is in a place with lowered expectations.

Campbell is in a place where the thinking is 'Run, first, pass second'.

Campbell is no longer a redskin, but as his career as a raider unfolds, the obvious comparisons between him and McNabb will as well.

Campbell has looked cocky and confident since his benching.

And before folks start tossing woulda, coulda, shoulda eggs this way, we have to remember that some of us wanted Campbell re-signed to play behind a re-building offensive line while a drafted newcomer sits.

Oh well..

..maybe Donovan McNabb will come out confident and cocky from his benching.

It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

This is what quoting without context could provide you:

" ... I don't know where his groin is ...."

Posted by: fan3 | November 2, 2010 3:04 PM

This is where a Rocky Horror audience would have shouted "Between his legs!"

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 2, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Cheese - you are spot on with that!

I think Mike was trying to let Kyle know that, rubber stamping the benching.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Vlade Divac thinks he flops too much.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And Michael Richards thinks it's time for you to get a new punchline.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

dcwun

CP and Torain will be a decent combo.


Enjoy them while you can.

I'd say the skins are going to draft a back who is faster than Torain and bigger than Portis.

L Blount would've been a nice addition, but he's made himself a player with the bucs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

That's a "legitimate question" in the fantasy world that is your mind. When will old white guys like you stop thinking that an African American (AA) needs another AA as a mentor?!?!

AA's, like all people, just need a "mentor" (i.e. someone to learn from), race is irrelevant. Your inclusion of a race-baiting question was ridiculous and therefore, you were referred to as a D-bag.

Get a grip dude!

Posted by: TheChampishere | November 2, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse
__________

First of all, I never said I was white, and you don't know how old I am. Don't stereotype me. Second, I never said that African Americans needed another African American as a mentor. I posed that as a question to the African American RI posters because I was curious to read people's opinions. I don't know the answer, but there is certainly oodles of commentary in academia and other sources, including in pop culture, on this very subject, so I thought it appropriate to ask here. I'm sorry you couldn't see the question for what it was.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | November 2, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

dcwun

CP and Torain will be a decent combo.


Enjoy them while you can.

I'd say the skins are going to draft a back who is faster than Torain and bigger than Portis.

L Blount would've been a nice addition, but he's made himself a player with the bucs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Outburst during team meal led to Moss' release


Sporting News
Randy Moss’ brash behavior during a team meal last week appalled his teammates and was a critical reason why the Minnesota Vikings released the wide receiver, according to Yahoo! Sports.

According to a Vikings player at the meal, Moss berated the servers who prepared the meal in an act his former teammates considered arrogant and out of line.

“It was brutal,” the player told Yahoo! Sports. “The truth is, he deserved to be cut after that. It was such an uncomfortable moment.”

It was one of several instances the Vikings have had with Moss since trading a third-round pick for the wide receiver in early October.

During an interview with the media after the Vikings’ 28-18 loss to New England last week, Moss praised his former Patriots coaches and teammates while questioning Vikings coach Brad Childress.

According to Yahoo!, Childress told his players Monday that Moss was to be released because the Vikings “want good people that are good football players, and this just doesn’t fit.”


Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2010-10/moss-to-vikings/story/outburst-during-team-meal-led-to-moss#ixzz149e2Eiff

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Am given to understand CP26 carried a lunch pail into Redskins Park today.

Reportedly contained his nuts.

Not that there were any female reporters around to look at his package or verify the story...

Seriously doubt we'll see him playing in a real game any sooner than mid-December.

Even the eternal optimist-liar Shanny the elder is predicting it will take at least a few more weeks to get him back into game shape.

In the meantime, we only have one healthy running back on the roster -- going into one of the toughest stretches of the season.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

perfect set up for this week's ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES -- a Clinton Portis edition

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the waiver wire order... Unless the Ram's take Moss we should have dibs on him. I don't see the Ram's taking a shot on Moss but who knows. They are doing well with Bradford and young hungry receivers..

So, should we take him?? My thoughts were no, but after the fiasco in Detroit.. unless we make the playoffs this season is a complete disaster IMO. Fat Albert has come a long way, we have McNubb for the rest of the season, there is no cap.. WHY NOT pick up Moss?

Posted by: ash10 | November 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is spot on....OL accountability...


The real problem on the Redskins offense

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 2, 2010 3:12 PM ET
Despite speculation that Clinton Portis could miss the rest of the season, he's starting to make progress in his return from a groin injury.

He "took a few plays" Tuesday at practice for the first time since suffering the injury a month ago, according to Jason Reid of the Washington Post. Portis has yet to cut hard while practicing, but it sounds like he's making progress and will continue to rehab. We're happy to have Portis back in our lives so we can hear him chime in on various issues.

On whether Rex Grossman could have won the game for Washington: "I don't know about all that, bro," Portis said to Holden Kushner on 106.7 Tuesday.

He's planning to vacation in Russia some during the bye week, via DC Sports Bog: "I think it's snowing in Russia right now, and to relax in the mountains would be great."

On the real problem on offense: "I think as a team, we've got to do a better job to give Donovan more time and let Donovan make plays."

We agree on the last point wholeheartedly. So does Chris Cooley and Joe Theismann.

Speaking on a conference call for the NFL Network Tuesday, Theismann said McNabb could have been sacked nine or ten times if he didn't escape pressure. Cooley strongly called out his teammates to pick it up.

"For whatever reason, someone has to step up and take charge of protecting Donovan. There's got to be a leader established on the offensive line," Cooley said on the Lavar and Dukes show Tuesday. "There has to be accountability up front for protecting the guy. . . . I think all game he was pressured, and it wasn't because our scheme wasn't good enough. We were just getting beat."

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Clinton Portis is done as a #1 RB. He showed little in 2009, and he wasn’t burning up the place in 2010 before his injury. Many RBs hit the wall at age 30, Portis hits that number next Sept 1.

Occasionally, a Tomlinson turns back the clock or a Thomas Jones ignores the calendar and keeps on churning. More often, you get Shaun Alexander. A beast at age 28, he tiptoed out of football at 31.

I’d like to highlight life starting at 30 from another perspective. Kevin Faulk. From age 30-33, he averaged 700 yards and 4 TDs a year. 55% of those yards came as a pass catcher. He averaged 8yds/catch and 5yds/carry, with about 45 catches and 60 runs per season, just over 100 touches. Portis had 133 touches in 2009 before his concussion, 53 so far in 2010. Of those 186 touches, only 13 were pass receptions.

Faulk is the prototype 3rd down back, used mostly in passing situations. There is a lot to being an effective 3rd down back; Portis would need to rethink and refocus his skill set for it. One area where Portis is already very effectively is in pass protection.

Faulk was never a #1 RB, his career looks similar before and after age 30. Faulk gets about $3mil/year and is probably overpaid. He is now 34 and on IR.

Portis was a top RB getting top money. If he wants to continue to play in the NFL, he will need to find a new role -- he isn’t who he used to be. It is a huge change in mindset, going from being ‘the guy’ to being a role player. Some RBs have a nice second act, most don’t.

Portis has a reason to consider a 2nd life as a 3rd down back that most guys don’t. The Hall of Fame. He has a coach that can put together a playoff team. Postseason success is not on CP’s resume, but it is on the minds of HOF voters. Portis is high on several all-time lists, but not high enough. He is #48 in yards from scrimmage. There are no recent HOF additions below him on that list. Add a Faulk-esque 2,700 yds, and Portis is in the hunt, top 25-ish. Another 1,300 rushing yards gets him to the fringe of elected/ electable players. 16 more TDs gets him to 96. All the eligible guys with 100 TDs are in the HOF or getting serious current consideration. Ricky Watters, with 91 TDs, isn’t getting considered.

So why do I bring this up now? Now is the time Portis should be seriously considering this. It is his turning point. If he wants the 3rd down back role, he can be very effective. But … is he studying pass patterns? Working on his hands? Watching film on good 3rd down backs to pick up tips? Calling Kevin Faulk?

Portis will need to decide soon which direction he wants to take his career. As a role player, he could be valuable here or elsewhere. If he wants to be #1, he won’t be of much use and he’ll be asked to tiptoe away … unless he gets kicked to the curb.

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, two if we pick up Russel... dohp!

Man, watching our RBs getting blown up sunday was NOT fun. Brutal.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

According to Yahoo!, Childress told his players Monday that Moss was to be released because the Vikings “want good people that are good football players, and this just doesn’t fit.”

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 2, 2010 3:23 PM
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And tell me again how one time pain killer addict and current sexual harasser Brett Favre personifies this ideal???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2010-10/moss-to-vikings/story/outburst-during-team-meal-led-to-moss#ixzz149e2Eiff

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who you are; you don't behave like that. No one deserves to be treated as such. Especially someone who's honest and hardworking.

I was intrigued by the notion of having Moss. But after hearing about this, I'm gonna say pass. You never insult someone like that.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 2, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

MAybe Russell came in to audition for RT? he is 6'6 300 right? "Very Athletic?"

Posted by: ash10 | November 2, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Even the eternal optimist-liar Shanny the elder is predicting it will take at least a few more weeks to get him back into game shape.

In the meantime, we only have one healthy running back on the roster -- going into one of the toughest stretches of the season.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 2, 2010 3:27 PM |

vic,

I'm sure your not naive enough to believe that coaches tell the media the truth.

Every NFL coach lies to the media on a daily basis, even the great Joe Gibbs lied to the media.

As far as RB go they have james Davis on the practice squad, Chad Simpson will be healthy by the Eagles game and so will Torain.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the waiver wire order... Unless the Ram's take Moss we should have dibs on him. I don't see the Ram's taking a shot on Moss but who knows. They are doing well with Bradford and young hungry receivers..

So, should we take him?? My thoughts were no, but after the fiasco in Detroit.. unless we make the playoffs this season is a complete disaster IMO. Fat Albert has come a long way, we have McNubb for the rest of the season, there is no cap.. WHY NOT pick up Moss?

Posted by: ash10

I'm thinking Shanahan needs to have a heart to heart with Galloway on this. Galloway should have insights into Moss that no one else at Redskins Park has. If Galloway knows how to motivate Moss, there is value. If Moss comes, we keep Galloway and probably drop Roydell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

And tell me again how one time pain killer addict and current sexual harasser Brett Favre personifies this ideal???

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 2, 2010 3:32 PM

He drives a tractor in the off season...sort of.

Posted by: edvar | November 2, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the waiver wire order... Unless the Ram's take Moss we should have dibs on him. I don't see the Ram's taking a shot on Moss but who knows. They are doing well with Bradford and young hungry receivers..

So, should we take him?? My thoughts were no, but after the fiasco in Detroit.. unless we make the playoffs this season is a complete disaster IMO. Fat Albert has come a long way, we have McNubb for the rest of the season, there is no cap.. WHY NOT pick up Moss?

Posted by: ash10

I'm thinking Shanahan needs to have a heart to heart with Galloway on this. Galloway should have insights into Moss that no one else at Redskins Park has. If Galloway knows how to motivate Moss, there is value. If Moss comes, we keep Galloway and probably drop Roydell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No man, CP is a good guy in person. He pays for his haircuts...and his haircuts Are double the price of mine. CP means well, he just doesn't hold his tongue sometimes.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see James Davis play.

I think at worst the Skins go 5-3 the second half, but probably 6-2.

My 11-5 prediction won't come true but 10-6/9-7 wildcard is a possibility.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

movable type gets me to double post ... me and CR22 falling for that double move

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

in their first 15 starts Jemarcus Russel was significantly better than Mark Sanchez (statistically), the numbers are almost identical except Sanchez had way more pickles.

that being said it's a bad sign

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 2, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's return to two-tight end, fullback lead, smashmouth football.

The offense's problems might solve themselves from that point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 12:00 PM

You on to something Moe.

The Shans should pull an AH with the line and develope schems to their strenghts, or something to that effect.

It was pointed out during the Lions game that Mcnabb is great at short passes, as he did for a decade in philly. Yes I know that he on top for most long yardage plays in the NFL to this point.

Why not comingle designed short plays to tight-ends with long passes second?

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 2, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see James Davis play.

I think at worst the Skins go 5-3 the second half, but probably 6-2.

My 11-5 prediction won't come true but 10-6/9-7 wildcard is a possibility.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse
Agree. I think he is Ryan Torain with speed. It would b nice to see him play, b/c with so many holes, I know Shanny wants to get the RB position squared away. Ryan and James could h a good duo.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I would not roll the dice on Moss. We struggle to protect the QB, so long throws (the kind that Moss thrives on) will be difficult.

If the team isn't winning, he quits. So he will quit on us. His "A" game is very intriguing, but I don't think we will get that from him.

Pass.

We need more stability and consistency - not more volatility.

Posted by: edvar | November 2, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Pass.

We need more stability and consistency - not more volatility.

Posted by: edvar | November 2, 2010 3:54 PM |

a-freakin-men, we still need to take out the trash we have on the roster now, let alone bring in that head case

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

After my depression over the last couple of days, I have decided to jumpstart the Optimism Bus.

McNabb benching means he comes out on fire against the Eagles in two weeks.

Jammal Brown gets completely healthy, the O-line practices as a unit together and we find an awesome RB duo in Torain/Davis.

Also they figure out how to get Banks into the offense.

Dude had 271 return yards, should have been more if not for the penalty.

Banks in space=devastating

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Why does every1 just talk about deep balls with Randy. U forget how big he is? He can so slants, curls, A REDZONE threat for goodness sake!!!!! Did u not see how the Pats had to use lyk 3 guys to cover him? If nothing at all, he demands respect from defenses. Tana can beat single coverage any day. Anothny Armstrong will benefit as well.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I would not roll the dice on Moss. We struggle to protect the QB, so long throws (the kind that Moss thrives on) will be difficult.

If the team isn't winning, he quits. So he will quit on us. His "A" game is very intriguing, but I don't think we will get that from him.

Pass.

We need more stability and consistency - not more volatility.

Posted by: edvar | November 2, 2010 3:54 PM |

I agree that Moss might not be a good fit, but we lead the league in long passes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't the guys get some time off during the bye?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 2, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Pick up Moss as wampum for McNabb.

Maybe Shanny and DMc can smokem peace pipe.

(wait, there has to be a way for someone to think that's racist)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will have his best game against the Eagles. I say 4 TD's and over 350 yards passing. This benching is the best thing that happened to him.

Posted by: TheJury | November 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will have his best game against the Eagles. I say 4 TD's and over 350 yards passing. This benching is the best thing that happened to him.

Posted by: TheJury | November 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Co-Sign

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

McNabb will have his best game against the Eagles. I say 4 TD's and over 350 yards passing. This benching is the best thing that happened to him.

Posted by: TheJury | November 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Co-Sign

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 4:15 PM |

A Moss will catch all 4 TD's

(Randy - 3, Santana - 1)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't the guys get some time off during the bye?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 2, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse
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WaPo said yesterday that they're off Wednesday through Sunday.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | November 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If anyone missed this epic mash up of Randy Moss quotes set to autotune, you MUST see this...LOL funny stuff:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-best-song-ever-made-using-Autotuned-Randy-Mo?urn=nfl-281733

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Ok you're right. We're F'ed, what the hell was Snyder thinking hiring a 3X SB champ and why did MS hire his son who OC'ed the #1 offense last year.

After 8 games into an 80 game contract let's fire the staff and go after Gruden or Cowher.

I'm not sure what your expectations were (mine 8-8) but judging by your 34-6 prediction of a blowout loss to the Eagles, you should be happy with 4-4.

Posted by: Diesel44

As for their record, they are where exactly I thought they'd be through eight weeks: That 3 to 5 win range.

And even though I had them at .500 eight weeks in, it still doesn't mean that I'm suppose to be thrilled with the mediocrity, or at times, all out GARBAGE I see on the field.

C'mon man... on Monday I didn't think that I'd be a millionaire today. That doesn't mean that I'm not a little disappointed I'm not as of Tuesday.

See, there you go again, why do you always point to what Shanahan did 12 years ago with an entire different roster, on an entire different team, in an entire different era?


Save the hyperbole for when it matters most. I'm not saying that he should be fired, but what I AM saying is that, he's not the baby Jesus so many of you THOUGHT he would be. The guy is shoddy when it comes to player personnel decisions, takes questionable approaches to play-calling (see: Jr.'s explanation on why they stopped passing in the Houston game), and is a 1st class, all-world a-hole when it comes to dealing with players who have a history of being problematic.


But if it makes people like you, psps23, and Flounder21 all the more happier eating chicken salad on wheat with a cup of ice cold apple juice all day, fine. Do you.
Don't worry, I won't ever tell you that every now and then you're really devouring a soggy sh*t on wheat with a cup of hot bubbly piss.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see James Davis play.

I think at worst the Skins go 5-3 the second half, but probably 6-2.

My 11-5 prediction won't come true but 10-6/9-7 wildcard is a possibility.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse
Agree. I think he is Ryan Torain with speed. It would b nice to see him play, b/c with so many holes, I know Shanny wants to get the RB position squared away. Ryan and James could h a good duo.

Posted by: roccoskins

With a bye week to practice and get to know playbook I think you will see Jdavis activated for Iggles games unless CSimpson is ready to roll. Either way we wont go into the iggles game with 2 RB's.

Vote NO NO NO for me on Moss---he used to take a few plays off, now he takes 50% of plays off---that will not get us to the PLAYOFFS. Stay the course, hope to finish 9-7 and see were that puts us. Def need to see more screens, reverses and throw in a HB option--we aren't good enopugh to win with a standard offense--must open the flea flicker chapter of the playbook this second half. HTTR

Posted by: kirkoman | November 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

want to see James Davis active and get some carries.

no thanks to Randy Moss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@roccoskins
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Randy Moss is a more a wide-out than a wide receiver-he COULD run the routes you're talking about, but he doesn't.

Also, he's big, but lanky, Moss has never run certain routes well, biomechanically he just can't break down well on say a square-in route.

Another thing, the chemistry issues....Haynesworth is stubborn, Shanahan is stubborn, Moss is moody, Hall is a chatterbox, Portis is a chatterbox that can't articulate well & McNabb is passive-aggressive. The mix is already wrong now.

Besides, Moss, at this stage of his career, wants no part of this mess-he's probably looking for a SB caliber team which we definitely aren't. So to me, the best team for him is the Steelers, who could use a some fortification to their WR corps and are a SB caliber team this year. Remember, his whole deal for going to the Patriots was to win the big one and the Vikings had SB aspirations for this year.

If Shanahan had a problem with the willful,individualistic Haynesworth, how do you think his personality is going to mesh with Moss's?

answer- DY-NO-MITE!!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | November 2, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm sure every one on our practice squad is just waiting to dominate

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 2, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"There's got to be a leader established on the offensive line," Cooley said.


Clear-headed thinking from a guy who's had several concussions.

Captain Crash sees straight enough to get through the finger-pointing fog clouding all redskin judgement.

If McNabb doesn't get hit like a stick, he doesn't throw a pick.

(Said with apologies to the estate of Johnnie Cochran.)

Next, Mrs. Cooley will encourage Redskin cheerleaders to follow that unit's rules about not fraternizing with the players.

But #47 is correct in one regard: protecting what might be a gun shy McNabb is job one moving forward.

Otherwise, Donnie might move forward into FA and not look back to D.C..

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 2, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

what this place needs is some good old fashioned power rankings. everyone loves power rankings.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse


want to see James Davis active and get some carries.

no thanks to Randy Moss...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 2, 2010 4:27 PM |

nice

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

what this place needs is some good old fashioned power rankings. everyone loves power rankings.

Posted by: dcsween | November 2, 2010 4:50 PM

1. dcsween
2. MistaMoe
3. diesel44
4. redDMV
5. chRiSLarrY
6. learnedhand
7. brownwood
8. BeantownGreg
9. RedSkinHead
10. Flounder
11. PortisPocketsStr8

Posted by: beep-beep | November 2, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Over at The DC Sports Bog, Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him
.


Doesn't keep his facts straight, but it's interesting hearing his opinion. I can't help wondering if he still bends Snyder's ear now and then.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 2, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

But if it makes people like you, psps23, and Flounder21 all the more happier eating chicken salad on wheat with a cup of ice cold apple juice all day, fine. Do you.
Don't worry, I won't ever tell you that every now and then you're really devouring a soggy sh*t on wheat with a cup of hot bubbly piss.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

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Red,

With all due respect, if you knew in advance that this is the level of play you were going to see coming in, and you're still throwing a fit at it, I think you're being unreasonable.

I want the Redskins to be far better than they are right now. Just like you, I felt they should be in the 7-9 win range, what with the upgrade at QB/Coach (he might not be holy, but he IS an upgrade over Zorn, I think we can all agree there). Therefore, at 4-4, I just can't be too pissed. No matter what any players or coaches say publicly, this is the first year of a total organizational overhaul.

Admittedly, I get pissed during games at the overall tomfoolery (did I just use that word?) that goes on sometimes during the games, but after some time to cool down, I let it go 'cause it just doesn't make any sense to scream bloody murder at an O-line we all knew going in wasn't very good, or at WR's that aren't so money, or at a coaching staff that has thrown duct tape on this team while they get more of the players they want.

I've seen decisions I don't like out of the coaching staff, like you. Still, I feel I'm ALWAYS going to see stupid s*&t from a coach from time to time, regardless of his ability. God knows Gibbs drove me nuts sometimes, even when they were in the process of a 3 SuperBowl Championship run over 12.

So: I don't begrudge anyone's desire to spout off at the idiocy we are going to see from time to time until this team gets better...but calls for MS's head, or demanding an exodus of DM, or claims that IT'S ALL FALLING APART sound like folks listening to 106.7 too much and panicking just like those dunderheads.

They're average. Next year, I'll expect better, around the board. Then, I'll be joining you picking them apart if they're treading water (or sinking).

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 2, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow i didnt even know we got Dirty Davis. He needs to see some play time.

We need a lot if help om the interior Oline. Suh is a monster but not that amazing.

Ive always thought Randy Moss was a very underrated blocker as well, I know not everyone will agree but thats just what ive always thought.
I could do with him or w/o him. Simply put he is the ideal WR for this system and would complement the receiving corps swimmingly, until he pissed them all off.

Ah f it STRAIGHT CASH MONEY HOMEY, go get him...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I find these strong, unbending opinions on Shanahan - both positive and those that are shall we say, a bit more "Red" - to be quite funny. It's 8 games, people. HALF a season. If we were so quick to judge Zorn like that, he'd have gotten a 5 yr, $25 million extension. Give the guy at least 2 full seasons before annointing him a bum or a god. Truth is, he's a guy with a proven record of winning, and he's also had his failures and has his flaws - i.e., nobody will ever mistake him for Bill Clinton in interpersonal relationships or diplomacy. I think he is the right guy for this job, but I'm reserving complete judgement until we have a real body of work - as a Redskin- to analyze. That loss hurt, but everyone take a valium.

If we beat Philly we are still very much in the mix, despite our issues. It's a work in progress.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Whats to risk with Moss?? He'll be a half-year rental and make the Redskins even more of a media lightning rod and hopefully fills stadiums and sells jerseys...Oh yeah, and scores bombin' TDs..If he can be brought into the fold a la the Haynesworth, maybe sign him long term after the year..

Posted by: frak | November 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


Over at The DC Sports Bog, Cerrato says McNabb benching "dumbfounded" him
.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 2, 2010 5:08 PM |

you mean someone found dummy ?

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

People are calling for a Moss signing after the drama of AH an now #5? Yeah, I'm sure The Shanahan's are all about that despite their 'Bat Phone' ringing incesantly from Li'l Danny.

Posted by: splitbill | November 2, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

People are calling for a Moss signing after the drama of AH an now #5? Yeah, I'm sure The Shanahan's are all about that despite their 'Bat Phone' ringing incesantly from Li'l Danny.

Posted by: splitbill | November 2, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

OK, most of us figured the Skins would be around 0.500 this year.

Why are some us complaining? As for me, it's because halfway throught the season we are 0.500...

...but the offense looks like it's regressing instead of getting better.

I was excited about being 6-2 a couple of years ago, too, and 2-1 in the division at the time.

...but the offense regressed instead of getting better.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 2, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

And good Lawd Jamarcus Russsel. I am not a happy skins fan today...no, no sir.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse


when will the madness end ? bring in no one, keep our draft picks, god bless america

Posted by: hessone | November 2, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

And good Lawd Jamarcus Russsel. I am not a happy skins fan today...no, no sir.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 5:39 PM

Stewie- Every Tuesday teams bring players in for try outs. Today there were NINETEEN (19) others guys here along with Jamacus Russell.

The media runs with the story because of the timing and because of the reaction that fans like you will have.

I'm more interested in hearing thr other 19 names and what position they play on the OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's my question: If Shananahan is upset with McNabb necause he didn't like the pace of his practice habits, why is he looking at JaMarcus Russel--a guy who allegedly (charges since dismissed) had Codeine in his Bosco?

Codeine slows you down. Knew a guy hooked on it. He realized he had a problem when the cops pulled him over for going 2 miles ad hour in a 70 MPH zone.

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I get that but give me one credible reason to try this particular player out. Yes the greatest draft bust of all times(and yes i called it at the draft). The guy bring little to no upside that I see, maybe u see it diffrently. I agree its not a big deal but other positions on this team are a big deal not who is backing up the back up to Dmac. How many centers did they bring in to try out????

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually it is a big deal, Jamarcus Russell is just the worst...How in the universe would he possible have a positive effect on any aspect of this team?

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

WRITES DIESEL 44

Every Tuesday teams bring players in for try outs. Today there were NINETEEN (19) others guys here along with Jamacus Russell.

The media runs with the story because of the timing and because of the reaction that fans like you will have.
I'm more interested in hearing thr other 19 names and what position they play on the OL.

Posted by: Diesel44

You’re interested? Really? Seriously? You’d be one of the very very few. Seriously, the efforts the wannabes here go to rip the Media rarely cease to amaze. Sure, the Media deserves it's share of criticism, but not for that.

Essentially no one gives a Rodent’s Rump about the other 19 Kmart Greeters and Pizza Delivery men out at Redskins Park proving they ain’t pros. If anyone cared who they were, aside from their immediate relatives, you’d see their names. If one signs, you’ll learn who that is.

But JaMarcus Russell is news in the world of sports. A former #1 pick dropped by the Raiders, who is the new Ryan Leaf? And the Redskins are so desperate they are trying him out? Who else has? Anyone?

No, Diesel, that’s news. And some slew-footed, surgery scarred, practice squad-cut OLman no one's heard of is not. That’s why the pros get paid and the clueless get to bleat their protests in Blog comment columns.

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I want the Redskins to be far better than they are right now. Just like you, I felt they should be in the 7-9 win range, what with the upgrade at QB/Coach (he might not be holy, but he IS an upgrade over Zorn, I think we can all agree there). Therefore, at 4-4, I just can't be too pissed. No matter what any players or coaches say publicly, this is the first year of a total organizational overhaul.

Admittedly, I get pissed during games at the overall tomfoolery (did I just use that word?) that goes on sometimes during the games, but after some time to cool down, I let it go 'cause it just doesn't make any sense to scream bloody murder at an O-line we all knew going in wasn't very good, or at WR's that aren't so money, or at a coaching staff that has thrown duct tape on this team while they get more of the players they want.

I've seen decisions I don't like out of the coaching staff, like you. Still, I feel I'm ALWAYS going to see stupid s*&t from a coach from time to time, regardless of his ability. God knows Gibbs drove me nuts sometimes, even when they were in the process of a 3 SuperBowl Championship run over 12.

So: I don't begrudge anyone's desire to spout off at the idiocy we are going to see from time to time until this team gets better...but calls for MS's head, or demanding an exodus of DM, or claims that IT'S ALL FALLING APART sound like folks listening to 106.7 too much and panicking just like those dunderheads.

They're average. Next year, I'll expect better, around the board. Then, I'll be joining you picking them apart if they're treading water (or sinking).

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 2, 2010 5:11 PM


Co-sign. 100% agree.

It's all about perspective...everybody gets riled up on gameday. But pull it together on Monday and realize you're watching a rough draft, not the finished product. Expecting anything else is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Red...you're my boy, but you gotta get off the Shanahan hate. Nobody up here is exalting Shanny as the all-knowing, Lombardi 2.0 (at least not that I've heard). I just think Skins fans are desperate for a winner and even you have to admit Shanahan and Allen represent our best hope for that in the Snyder Era. So while he may have screwed the pooch on a couple matters, we're just waiting to see the end of the story and not readily assuming it's Spurrier/Marty/Zorn all over again.

I mean, Belichick has attempted crazy 4th down plays in the 4th quarter of two games he was leading in the past couple years...one of which he lost to a hated rival. And that's just the first thing that comes to mind. EVERY coach makes a mistake (or ten).

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus is the biggest bust in the history of the league. Stu, you called it, I called and everybody but Al Davis did.

I couldn't see any scenario that he would make the 53 man now, next year, or ever. I'm not sure that he's Practice squad eligible either.

Like I said I'd be more interested in reading the other 19 names that were here today

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The good news is all you kool aiders have come back down to earth and nobody's talking playoffs.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 2, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato also reports being dumbfounded by zip-lock bags and swiss cheese.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | November 2, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Well dont tred on me for hatting the dude. That ish really put a funk over my day. Again i'll ask what possible point it served? Thats right it didnt it literally serves no purpose to try him out. none. I dont care if they want to "see where he is at".
Ill take Beck a thousand times over. I would have been happier to hear Colt Breenen resigns with Redskins, F Jamarcus Russel

Posted by: Stu27 | November 2, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

First Shanny decides to bench Donovan McNabb in favor of Rex Grossman, because he thinks Rex gave the team a better chance to win.

Then Shanny brings in JaMarcus Russell for a workout because he thinks that maybe JaMarcus can give something to the team.


Shanny's personnel evaluation has officially sunken lower than Vinny Cerratto.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear Wilbon, Jason whitlock, JThompson, and the rest of the race baiters give their educated opinion on a story like this. Kinda makes the Rex for Donovan switch a little trivial.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/teens_bragged_about_beating_of.html

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 2, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, looks like JPLossman was one of the other 19 at Skins workouts today.

From PFT:

The other news from the Redskins is that Russell isn't the only former first-round draft pick who worked out with the team today. J.P. Losman, who was taken 22nd overall by the Bills in 2004, also worked out.

There's no word yet on whether either Russell or Losman will actually sign with the Redskins. But they may just be there as part of Mike Shanahan's continuing quest to show McNabb that if he can't do things the way Shanahan wants, the coach will find a quarterback who can.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Mike Shanahan is officially nuts. Seriously, think about some of the things that have gone down this season regarding personnel decisions:

1) Pulling the trigger on the McNabb trade in a total "rebuilding" year.

2) Schizo decisions regarding our RB rotation - keeping Larry Johnson and Keiland Williams and Ryan Torain doesn;t make the roster, cutting Larry Johnson and Keiland Wiliams and promoting TOrain all withing a couple weeks.

3) Handing Kory Lichtensteiger the starting job at LG a couple weeks into the regular season after having had all offseason and preseason to evaluate the situation, and kkeping DOckery deactivated.

4) Continuing to play Joey Galloway for no apparent reason.

5) Cutting Devin Thomas for no apparent reason.

6) Keeping Banks on the 53-roster, but playing Buchanon ahead of him on returns. Releasing Banks. Re-signing Banks. Starting Banks. All within the span of a couple weeks.

7) Benching MCNabb in favor of Rex Grossman down by 6 with 1:40 to play when Grossman has taken all of 9 regular season snaps in the past 3 seasons.

8) Working out JaMarcus Russell in our Week 8 Bye.

The dude is friggin nuts. I mean Cerratto was incompetent, but Shanny is just certifiable.

I think he just plum lost his mind in the year away from football.

Seriously.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

That’s why the pros get paid and the clueless get to bleat their protests in Blog comment columns.

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2010 6:26 PM

Right back at ya.

If you want to make a big deal out of 19 guys plus the 2007 1st overall pick coming in for a tryout, then by all means, waste your last couple of days above ground doing so. Every team in the league holds tryouts on Tuesday and you'd have a better chance of posting something relative, informative, or humorous than JR of making this team.

Here's some things to consider..

Could be a favor to his agent.

Could be an attempt for MS to show that he could care less about any of the media drama surrounding McNabb.

Could be that Shanahan wasn't even aware of the list of 20 guys trying out today.

OR my guess...Shanahan holds a grudge like no other. This was his attempt to piss off Al Davis, yet again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, you should now be officially sorry you asked for other names besides Russell's:

JaMarcus weighs 286, J.P. Losman also meets with Redskins
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 2, 2010 6:31 PM ET

If you're already sick of hearing about the Redskins' quarterback situation, don't worry: Tomorrow Randy Moss and Shawne Merriman will be on new teams, and we'll probably hear more about them than about Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman.

If you're not already sick of hearing about the Redskins' quarterback situation, we have some additional details about today's surprising revelation that the team brought in JaMarcus Russell for a workout.

For starters, Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports that Russell weighed in at 286 pounds.

Although the 6-foot-6 Russell has said he's working hard at getting himself into shape, the scale would suggest otherwise. At the scouting combine in 2007, Russell looked pudgy when he weighed in at 265 pounds. So if he's now 21 pounds heavier than that, he probably has a lot of work to do on the cardiovascular endurance that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says is so important.

The other news from the Redskins is that Russell isn't the only former first-round draft pick who worked out with the team today. J.P. Losman, who was taken 22nd overall by the Bills in 2004, also worked out.

There's no word yet on whether either Russell or Losman will actually sign with the Redskins. But they may just be there as part of Mike Shanahan's continuing quest to show McNabb that if he can't do things the way Shanahan wants, the coach will find a quarterback who can.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

That’s why the pros get paid and the clueless get to bleat their protests in Blog comment columns.

Posted by: TheCork | November 2, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse


Hey Cork, are you getting paid to bleat your protests in the comment columns here?

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:07

gotta say, you made a pretty good case ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 2, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, you may be onto something...another player invited to workouts but declined saying he is retired...Matt Jones.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, looks like JPLossman was one of the other 19 at Skins workouts today.

From PFT:

The other news from the Redskins is that Russell isn't the only former first-round draft pick who worked out with the team today. J.P. Losman, who was taken 22nd overall by the Bills in 2004, also worked out.

There's no word yet on whether either Russell or Losman will actually sign with the Redskins. But they may just be there as part of Mike Shanahan's continuing quest to show McNabb that if he can't do things the way Shanahan wants, the coach will find a quarterback who can.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 2, 2010 7:07 PM

Oh My God!

WTF is Shanny thinking?

He's certifiable!

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

I've officially had it. I'm done with this team and Egohan. I'm going to the Ravens Insider, I'll be the one with the Ravensfansince2010 handle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Red...

I hear your valid concerns, but allow me to bring up one thing about Shanahan.

His ex players and his assistant coaches love him and routinely sing his praises to anyone who will listen.

I've lived in Colorado since 1999...I hate the Broncos and used to hate Shanahan, but I respect him immensely. He is many of the things you say, but he is a great NFL coach.

As others have said, we need to chill out and let him do his thing for 3 seasons before any reckoning can happen on whether he still "has it".

*Disclaimer...Jake Plummer may be the one high profile player you'll find that is not a huge fan, but whatever...he is a flake.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

*Disclaimer...Jake Plummer may be the one high profile player you'll find that is not a huge fan, but whatever...he is a flake.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse


Actually, there is an interesting article on Yahoo Sports about Shany's history of jerking around QBs.

According to that article, you can add Brian Griese and Bubby Brister to the list.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Another thing I don't get:

Regardless of the offense's mediocre play so far, I had been praising Shanny for the way he seemed to turn around the attitude/spirit of the team.

They've been competitive, inspired, they don't quit, and Shanny put a true field general out there to rally them in McNabb.

Now Shanny has turned around and nuked the stable positive lockerroom vibe that he himself created...why? To prove a point with Rex Freakin' Grossman??

And then turnaround and bring 20 UFAs in to workout during the bye week? Wonder how the guys in the lockerroom feel about that.

Whatever vibe of trust and cammaraderie was there has to be blown to bits.

Shanny is bonkers.

That's my working theory from here on out.

We are going to continue to see flashes of that coaching brilliance mixed in with mind-boggling decisions and explanations of a schizo.

It all adds up to Shanny not knowing all the plays for the 2-minute drill...if you know what I mean...

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

One of the better tv analysts said recently: "The Superbowl isn't won by the team with the best scheme. It's won by the team with the best 53 man squad." Let's try to keep that in mind before we suggest dumping Shanny and McNabb. We have one of the worst O lines in the league. You can't fix that in one year. And though Shanny has his faults as a personnel man, he always had solid O lines in Denver. This will take a couple more seasons to fix.

Meantime, we should all be satisfied but not thrilled with an 8-8 season.

Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Finally Have a WR Over 6' Tall; UFL WR Taurus Johnson Signed to Practice Squad

by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT in

3 months ago: Cleveland Browns wide receiver Taurus Johnson, right, catches a pass against cornerback Brandon McDonald (22) during practice at the NFL football team's training camp Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010, in Berea, Ohio. (AP Photo/Mark Duncan)

Here's the updated (but not full) list of players the Redskins worked out today courtesy of Jason LaCanfora:

JP Losman, Taurus Johnson, Chad Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, Charles Grant, William Joseph, Justin Miller, Ty Hill, and WR Bobbie Williams.

Taurus Johnson was a 4-year WR at South Florida. He was originally signed by Kansas City as an undrafted free agent last season, and he spent parts of the 2009 season on Detroit and Miami's practice squads. He was waived by Miami on August 12, 2010 and signed by Cleveland on August 16, 2010, but saw no time and ended up playing in the UFL catching 2 TDs.

Grant Paulsen reported that WR Chad Jackson, formerly of the Patriots and Broncos, was brought to Redskins Park to tryout as well but wasn't signed since he is not practice squad eligible. I have an idea, how about sign him and cut Galloway or Roydell Williams. 6'1, 223 lbs, 25 years old and has played in the NFL for 3 years (two under Belichick)....so he's used to playing under stubborn coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

One of the better tv analysts said recently: "The Superbowl isn't won by the team with the best scheme. It's won by the team with the best 53 man squad." Let's try to keep that in mind before we suggest dumping Shanny and McNabb.


Ummm...maybe you should tell that to Shanny next time he's thinking of going with Rex over McNabb because Rex knows the schemes.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I think he just plum lost his mind in the year away from football.

Seriously.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm low on my stash, can you lend me some of that crippler?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe there was a crazed Eagles fan sniper loose in the stadium and Shanny got the warning from the FBI and pulled McNabb to save his life, hoping Rex would take the bullet for him, as the sniper would surely expect McNabb to be under center.

shanny's message to his team: "I could tell you why I did it, but then I'd have to kill all of you and I'm not going to do that, so, next question."

Shanny's message to his son: "Son, it's just a game. It's not worth your starting QB's life."

See? There now. I made it better. Shanny doesn't look so crazy and impulsive under THESE circumstances, right?

So, who knows. I mean, there's a LOT we don't know behind the scenes that we're not privy to.

I mean, you don't think our new Head Coach is a maniac buffoon, do you?

Of course not. That would mean our team will suck for the next 5 years.

Better to believe there was a maniac bent on killing McNabb in Detroit. It's a much better feeling and this way, Shanny's a lovable hero instead of an immature idiot.

So, there ya' go!

Hail Shanny! (And his lovable kid Kyle! Yay!)

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

A day after criticizing McNabb's cardio endurance, Shanny brings in Jamarcus Russel for a workout.

...you can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that he should be fired, but what I AM saying is that, he's not the baby Jesus so many of you THOUGHT he would be. The guy is shoddy when it comes to player personnel decisions, takes questionable approaches to play-calling (see: Jr.'s explanation on why they stopped passing in the Houston game), and is a 1st class, all-world a-hole when it comes to dealing with players who have a history of being problematic.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 2, 2010 4:23

But that's just it Red. If you even think about calling Shanny out on anything some of the bloggas give you the proverbial "how dare you." No one is calling for Shanny's head but his garbage has become transparent.


Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm low on my stash, can you lend me some of that crippler?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse


Dude, you want some of what Shanny's got...

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:31 PM

Dude, He benched Elway a handful of times. The timing of the McNabb benching was bad and putting in Rex was worse.

Would McNabb have lead us to a TD in the 2 minute drill? We'll never know but if his play was anything like the 2 four and outs and the INT previously with the game on the line or like he was playing on that day, then you already know the answer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The happiest man in DC right now got to be Albert haynesworth. The focus is off him for the first time and people is starting to see how crazy shanahan really is.

Posted by: Jmel1 | November 2, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Not a single Olineman, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Point-Counterpoint: The Benching

by Rich Tandler

Mike Shanahan’s decision to pull Donovan McNabb out of Sunday’s loss to the Detroit Lions created a firestorm of criticism. His evolving, convoluted explanation for doing so has just about gone nuclear. Here’s a look at all sides of the issue in today’s edition of the wildly popular Point-Counterpoint.

Point—Wow, Shanahan really blew it this time. What in the world was he thinking? Rex Grossman? Does Rex really know the two-minute offense better than McNabb? There is some evidence that book learning, which is all of the exposure that Grossman has had to Kyle Shanahan’s two-minute offense, has some value. We saw Todd Collins, who knew Al Saunders’ offense from studying the playbook, came in and ran it well on the field in the 2007 run to the playoffs. But Collins had 10 years under Saunders. By comparison, Rex and Kyle had a cup of coffee together in Houston last year.

Counterpoint—I don’t think that anyone is buying any of the explanation, from the playbook through the “cardiovascular endurance” to the hamstrings. But it’s important here to separate the action of benching McNabb from Shanahan’s explanation for doing so. I don’t know who at Redskins Park had to shovel out all of the barnyard excrement that was spread around the auditorium there yesterday but I hope he had a big shovel. I’m not sure what Shanahan’s level of formal education is but it seems to me like he has his B. S. (we all know what that stands for), M. S. (more of the same) and PhD (piled higher and deeper).

Point—The thing is, Shanahan couldn’t tell the truth. His only options were to give no comment or to make something up. The no comment wasn’t doable, so the fabrication was the more tenable of the two evils. But what ultimately matters is not the message that Shanahan sends to the media and the fans. What matters is the message that he sends to his starting quarterback. Remember a few weeks ago when all the talk was about illegal hits by headhunting defenders? What everyone was saying was that the only way to get the players’ attention was to suspend them, to take away their playing time. Apparently, Mike Shanahan needed to get McNabb’s attention. So he took away a little bit of his playing time.

Counterpoint—There is getting someone’s attention and there is smacking him upside the head with a two by four in front everyone. This can’t be good for the long-term future of the relationship between McNabb and Shanahan. Now McNabb will be looking over his shoulder every time he makes a mistake. All of this has the potential to split the locker room, too. At the very least, the other players will have to wonder is something similar will happen to them.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

(Con't)

Point—So what is Shanahan supposed to do if he’s unhappy with how McNabb plays? Should he pat him on the back and tell him to try harder next time? Give him a smiley sticker to make him feel better? This is big boy football. If McNabb can’t take being benched maybe he consider finding a job that, unlike being an NFL quarterback, doesn’t require skin as thick as rhinoceros hide. The fact is that Shanahan had to do something. Here, from my own notes and observations on the game, are some of McNabb’s mistakes and miscues on Sunday. With the exception of the tripping issue, none of them are anything new:

*In the first few series of the game, McNabb twice tripped over the foot of center Casey Rabach. Admittedly, this could have been an issue with Rabach but it also could have been lazy footwork on McNabb’s part.

*Early in the game on second and 15, McNabb threw a sideline pass to nobody. Santana Moss had stopped on the route and McNabb threw the ball as if Moss was going to continue up the sideline.

*On the first play of second half, there was a fumble during a play action fake. It looked like McNabb didn’t pull ball out in time. McNabb did recover the fumble.

*On third and 6 on first drive of second half, McNabb had time while being blitzed and he overthrew Cooley by a mile on a short route. With even a marginally good pass, Cooley would have been able to turn up the field and get the first down.

*Late in the third quarter, with the Lions up 14-13, McNabb sidestepped the rush and threw for Cooley in the flat. The ball was low and Cooley couldn’t quite get it off of the ground. Instead of third and about four or five at worst, was third and 13.

*On the next play, Moss was open down the right sideline. But McNabb’s pass was late and the cornerback had time to recover and tip the ball away.

*With less than five minutes to go and the Redskins nursing a 25-20 lead, McNabb throws into triple coverage and the pass was intercepted.

*This wasn’t from this game, but McNabb has been atrocious in two-minute situations this year. Inside of two minutes in the first and second half this year he is 18 of 33 (55 percent) for 152 yards, 0 touchdowns and 2 interceptions. That works out to a quarterback rating of 41.5, 37th in the NFL. There is now what that he was going to lead the Redskins from behind in that game

I could go on, but you’ve seen the games, too. McNabb’s quarterback rating has gone down just about every week since the Houston game. He runs hot and cold and the cold stretches are much longer than the hot stretches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is bonkers.

That's my working theory from here on out.

Posted by: p1funk | November 2, 2010 7:38 PM

You nailed it p1funk.

He's outta his dang MAIND!

No ifs ands or buts about it. He's a loose cannon maniac.

Maybe he overheard DThomas use the F word or maybe he heard him talking about women in a derogatory manner.

The guy is obviously not all about winning games and building a team.

Seems he's about something we can't see... because we haven't been blessed with his visions and spirits don't talk to us.

I feel bad for the players dealing with a psycho every day.

Haslett seems like the sane, competent one all of a sudden.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

(Conclusion)

Counterpoint—Don’t forget that he’s learning a new offense and that the 10 other guys he is playing with also are learning. Some, particularly those on the offensive line, are not picking things up very quickly, either. To point the finger at McNabb here while Kory Lichtensteiger and Joe Galloway either start or get substantial playing time is just crazy. No doubt, he’s been hot and cold but his hot stretches have been long enough for the Redskins to have as many wins at midseason this year as they did all of last year. And McNabb’s two-minute numbers are what they are but if Rex is the answer in that situation, Shanny isn’t asking the right question.

Point—I don’t know if this rift is going to heal. If it doesn’t, McNabb will be one and done here and the Redskins will have blown two high draft picks for one-year rental. There is going to be an opening for a quarterback in Minnesota and Brad Childress is an old McNabb fave from their days together in Minnesota. If not there, Arizona needs a replacement for Kurt Warner. McNabb’s offseason home just so happens to be in the Phoenix area. If the rift between him and Shanahan grows any more, he’ll be so desperate to leave that he’ll go just about anywhere.

Counterpoint—For one thing, see the part about needing a rhino’s skin above. If the guy really needs to bolt town after taking one little owie to his ego, who wants him around anyway? The window on the Vikings is closing. They have a ton of players whose deals are up this year and no new stadium deal is imminent. They are not going to replace Bret Favre with another quarterback drawing an eight-figure salary. And Chilly might not be there; he could well be thrown overboard in the aftermath of the Randy Moss fiasco. Arizona could be a possibility but if they continue going downhill they aren’t going to pay top dollar for a short-term quarterback, either. And if you think there is doing to be any sort of permanent rift, see how Shanahan and Albert Haynesworth have gone from being mortal enemies to being best buddies. It’s a job. There are conflicts all the time. Players and coaches get over it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

All of you people ascribing reasons for Shanny's irrational and destructive behavior are ENABLERS.

The TRUTH will set you free.

The truth is...


Shanny's crazy.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

All work and no play makes Shanny a dull boy.

All work and no play makes Shanny a dull boy.

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All work and no play makes Shanny a dull boy.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Thinker_: the perfect example of why booze and the internet do not go well together...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 2, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Crazy Shanny's team address highlights from the first half of the year:

"Team, sorry, but I had to let Devin Thomas go. He was crazy. It's unfortunate, but that's the facts. So, we're moving on."

"Team, sorry I couldn't let Haynesworth play against Indy tonight. He missed practice attending his brother's funeral and we all know when you don't practice, you don't play. So, enough on that."

"Team, it came to my attention... through my headset, during the fourth quarter out here, today... Well, I'll just say it... McNabb's crazy, too."

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who we cut from the practice squad to sign WR Taurus Johnson?

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Redskins kick tires on 10 players in all, including five former first-rounders

Posted by Mike Florio on November 2, 2010 8:15 PM ET

Already making headlines -- and raising eyebrows -- was the decision of the Redskins to work out quarterback JaMarcus Russell on Tuesday. He wasn't the only failed first-rounder who worked out for the 'Skins on Tuesday; as MDS pointed out earlier, J.P Losman got a shot, too.

As it turns out, eight non-quarterbacks received consideration as well.

They are, per a league source, defensive end Charles Grant, cornerback Tye Hill, receiver Chad Jackson, receiver Taurus Johnson, defensive tackle William Joseph, cornerback Justin Miller, defensive back Sha'reef Rashad, and receiver Bobby Williams.

In all, five former first-rounders got a look-see from the 'Skins -- Russell, Losman, Grant, Hill, and Joseph.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll be the one with the Ravensfansince2010 handle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:21 PM

Let me fix that for ya:

I'll be the one with the Dukefansince1980 handle.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 2, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Thinker, Pfunk and the rest hating on Shanny- I'll be curious to read your spin after we beat Philly. Impetuousness of a 5 yr old...sheesh

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Way too much is made of what Shanny says in the pressers. The pressers are always either complete b.s. or self serving lies, regardless of coach. In fact, some of the greatest coaches of all time were the greatest bs-ers. Here's our beloved Gibbs after a tough loss: "I feel like our guys played their guts out." It all means nothing.


Ummm...maybe you should tell that to Shanny next time he's thinking of going with Rex over McNabb because Rex knows the schemes.
Posted by: p1funk

If DMac comes back fired up and has a great game and beats the Uggles, can I serve you some crow stew?

Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Or booze and the two minute drill, right?

Thought so.

Maybe booze is what it takes to stomach the continuum of insanity that afflicts my beloved Redskins.

I'll try it.

If that doesn't work, I'll watch the Dallas Cowboys every Sunday. At least I can take pleasure in watching their season explode.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

If DMac comes back fired up and has a great game and beats the Uggles, can I serve you some crow stew?


Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. That is exactly what I see happening.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Thinker, Pfunk and the rest hating on Shanny- I'll be curious to read your spin after we beat Philly. Impetuousness of a 5 yr old...sheesh

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Nobody's hating on Shanny. Folks are calling it for what it is. He's not getting the Zoron treatment but he's effed a few things up and he needs to own it. This isn't Denver and we know b.s. when we hear it.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If DMac comes back fired up and has a great game and beats the Uggles, can I serve you some crow stew?

Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 8:36 PM

You got a recipe for that or do you just buy the Hungry Man Frozen Dinner: Crow stew with green beans, corn bread, and apple cobbler?

Don't give them no stew. Let 'em eat it raw and with no Tabasco sauce.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 2, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I believe bringing in russell was more a favor for lucas than anything else. Perhaps KS and lucas met while both resided in houston, who knows who cares, just chum for the media

Posted by: hcic55 | November 2, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If DMac comes back fired up and has a great game and beats the Uggles, can I serve you some crow stew?


Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. That is exactly what I see happening.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 2, 2010 8:40 PM

McNabb better come back fired up and play better for his own sake. Not many teams would give a big bucks contract to him based on his play the first seven games this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 2, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

This isn't Denver and we know b.s. when we hear it.

Posted by: dcwun

You sound like a longtime DC resident. Living in proximity to congress makes you an expert on b.s. (I didn't intend that to start a political argument. No tea baggers, please!)

Posted by: biffsteakone | November 2, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

If it is true that McNabb is lackluster in practice, then has an awful game like Sunday...the benching is a message.

Andy Reid benched him in Philly against the Ravens. What happened next?

This will be fine everybody. Shanny is not crazy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

If it is true that McNabb is lackluster in practice, then has an awful game like Sunday...the benching is a message.

Andy Reid benched him in Philly against the Ravens. What happened next?

This will be fine everybody. Shanny is not crazy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

If it is true that McNabb is lackluster in practice, then has an awful game like Sunday...the benching is a message.

Andy Reid benched him in Philly against the Ravens. What happened next?

This will be fine everybody. Shanny is not crazy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | November 2, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

You got a recipe for that or do you just buy the Hungry Man Frozen Dinner: Crow stew with green beans, corn bread, and apple cobbler?
Posted by: beep-beep

Haven't had a HMFD since college. I also remember eating quite a bit of Dinty Moore. Is he still around?

Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

3 bagger for IH8..

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

John Wall 16 pts 10 asst 8 steals 2 boards

Evan Turner 3 pts 1 asst 1 steal 4 boards

Where's Red, 4th and all those guys that wanted Turner over Wall?

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44

8 steals? Good Lord, the kid is the real deal. Rebounding will kill them this year, though.

Every DC team is building/rebuilding, except the Caps.

Posted by: NYPDee | November 2, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ravens interested in Shawne Merriman at the right price

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 2, 2010 9:23 PM ET

Any team that claims former Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman off waivers owes him the prorated remainder of his $3.269 million contract.

The Ravens won't be that team.

Merriman reportedly would love to land in Baltimore, but they would only take him at a reduced cost, if he clears waivers.

"He's a guy we talked about," coach John Harbaugh said on his WBAL radio show Tuesday via the Baltimore Sun. "[G.M.] Ozzie [Newsome] and I had a long discussion today. We'll see if he gets through waivers."

It says a lot about Merriman's value that the Ravens may have interest, but don't think he's worth roughly $1.7 million for the rest of the season. Unlike Randy Moss, we doubt a boatload of teams will put in a waiver claim on Merriman.

San Francisco sounds like the most likely destination to us. If he passes waivers, it sure sounds like Merriman may have a chance to join a Super Bowl contender back near his hometown.


Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Red...you're my boy..."

How sweet. GROUP HUGS!!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 2, 2010 6:31 PM

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 2, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Doing some catch-up reading, and damn if there weren't TWO incredibly reasonable posts about Shanny and the state of the 2010 skins around 5:20. Well done shaunsherman and _LMG. Agree with you both.

And no thanks to Moss.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

…and I too would like to know the names of the 19 guys at tryouts not named Gomer Pile.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

John Wall is gonna be INTERGALACTIC!!! Maybe one of the best ever!! And a solid assist-dealin' team playa rockin'!! SWEET!!

Posted by: frak | November 2, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

frak-

Wall had 29 pts 13 asst 9 steals 2 boards

Probably could have had 20 asst if the Wiz could shoot.

First thing he said after the win was that he has to cut down on his turnovers. Superior talent, yet level headed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"First thing he said after the win was that he has to cut down on his turnovers. Superior talent, yet level headed."

Heh-heh..The CIA leveled my head years ago..Ever see "Lawnmower Man"???

The sheer FEARLESSNESS of that dude, blocking that shot by Iguodala, and the SPEED!! He's gotta be the fastest player in the league!! Awesome..

Posted by: frak | November 2, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Lovin' these election results.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Thinker, Pfunk and the rest hating on Shanny- I'll be curious to read your spin after we beat Philly. Impetuousness of a 5 yr old...sheesh

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

Nobody's hating on Shanny. Folks are calling it for what it is. He's not getting the Zoron treatment but he's effed a few things up and he needs to own it. This isn't Denver and we know b.s. when we hear it.

Posted by: dcwun | November 2, 2010 8:44 PM

Hey, if you're gonna speak for me... at least you F'ing NAILED it.

He needs to go on ahead and own that thing that he's got brewing.

And FURTHERMORE... NONE of this addresses the Numero Uno problem with the team =

The Offensively Offensive Line.

(Maybe its a ploy by Shanny to make us forget how pathetic the O Line is? NO. NO, it's not. So stop saying, "Maybe Shanny did it because...")

He did it because he's freaking out that we suck and he's like a drowning person... He's flailing away at the only ones who can save him (McNabb). I don't mind that he's crazy. I'd prefer crazy like a fox, but, oh well. I just want him to stop F'ing up and when he does, keep the BS Machine turned off. Nobody's buying it. It's juvenile and it's scaring possible free agents down the road (starting with McNabb).

Done.

(He IS crazy, though.)

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

That's a hell of a stat line, Dies. At least there'll be something fun to watch after football assuming he can stay healthy.

I'm shocked at all the lack of grey area, all the snap judgements, and unreasonable discourse today. Is the the RI I've come to know and…read?

No one up here is going to be satisfied with any personnel guy that doesn't draft and sign the next Hogs Oline (which would be nice). Shanny has made some questionable moves, but he's had some winners as well. If you want to call him a garbage personnel guy, first recognize the contributors and future stars he's gotten on the field as well, starting with Banks, Torain, T-will, Keiland Williams, a motivated AH, a CP with work ethic, Anthony Armstrong, and a turnover machine of a defense.

Take the good with bad. And he may have earned it with a different team, but in mind he still has earned the benefit of the doubt. It may seem like madness at times, I still think he has a method.

He just ain't sharing.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

NOW is the time for Snyder to get involved.

Call Shanny up and tell him...

"Dude, you can do what you want. Bench McNabb, whatever.

BUT!

Stop lying about it, man. It makes the organization look bad. Go the classier Belichick route and drop a 'no comment.' There's much less shame in that.

By the way, nice job getting to 500 so far. Any ideas for our O Line? It looks ridiculous."

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 2, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

dcwun-

'He's not getting the Zoron treatment but he's effed a few things up and he needs to own it."

He knows it's BS, we know it's BS. We'd like to know what's really going on and he doesn't want to tell us. Fine. I'm not holding my breath.

I don't see what he has to own here. And while I think it's not likely, he might be owning a wildcard playoff team yet.

Let it play out and if the result is failure, I'll join you in wanting answers (that we won't get to our satisfaction). The pudding's only half-way done.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 2, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato Dumbfounded by benching"

Well that settles it. Brilliant move

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"Cerrato Dumbfounded by benching"

Well that settles it. Brilliant move

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 2, 2010 10:51 PM

Also, "Cerrato dumbfounded by trying to tie his shoes."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 2, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

In hindsight, Eagles routinely had McNabb's back

Posted by Mike Florio on November 2, 2010 9:52 PM ET

Before the 2010 season began, Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb bemoaned the treatment he received during 11 seasons in Philadelphia.

McNabb said, basically, that the team didn't do enough to publicly prop him up in the face of criticism from media and fans.

Given the manner in which the Redskins have treated McNabb, as expertly chronicled by Jason Whitlock of FOXSports.com, McNabb should be longing for Philly in the same way Randy Moss was longing for Foxboro.

"Now he can see what it looks like when no one has his back and the coach is more than happy to throw you under the bus with the truth," explained a source with knowledge of the situation when McNabb was in Philadelphia. "Shanahan knew exactly what he was doing and what the consequences would be. I'll bet McNabb longs for the days when he thinks the Eagles didn't defend him."

There were plenty of things the Eagles could have pointed out about McNabb, during his career or after trading him within the division. McNabb struggled in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl XXXIX, either due to lack of "cardiovascular endurance" or his inability to master the two-minute offense. He didn't have many come-from-behind wins during his career. He blamed young players for struggles against the Cowboys last year. Those young players fully supported Kevin Kolb.

Through it all, the Eagles' organization has taken the high road. In Washington, Shanahan hasn't, adding insult to injury by first benching McNabb and then telling shifting, inconsistent stories regarding the reasoning for the move.

Whitlock thinks Shanahan is protecting his son, Kyle, the team's offensive coordinator. Regardless, Shanahan isn't protecting McNabb -- and that highlights the fact that the Eagles did much more for McNabb than anyone ever realized during his tenure with the team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

"lack of "cardiovascular endurance"" = Your QB was injured because of your inability to repair the offensive line in offseason and during season...

Posted by: frak | November 2, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock thinks Shanahan is protecting his son, Kyle, the team's offensive coordinator. Regardless, Shanahan isn't protecting McNabb -- and that highlights the fact that the Eagles did much more for McNabb than anyone ever realized during his tenure with the team.

Posted by: Diesel44

Shanahn is in a ridiculous position ... and he'd be wise to recognize it.

he is the team president, and the team GM (Bruce Allen holds the GM title, but is in charge of player reunions, subject to Shanahan's approval, of course). He is the head coach. He is the father and mentor of the offensive coordinator.

Now picture a business being run this way. Every senior position run by one guy, with a yes man at his side and his son in the position to get Daddy's job when Daddy wants to pass on one of the mgmt jobs.

Would you buy stock in that company?

Shanahan is a talented guy, but he has too many roles and conflicting interests.

I'm real curious as to which of these 'interests' was behind benching McNabb. The team president, the GM, the HC or the OC.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Somebody remarked , it would be better to get Logan Mankins than R. Moss- this actually might keep whoever the Redskins Quarterback is alive longer...

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Somebody remarked , it would be better to get Logan Mankins than R. Moss- this actually might keep whoever the Redskins Quarterback is alive longer...

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 12:22 AM

Co-Frakin'-sign

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 12:00 AM

Great post Zeke-

However what if the CEO and the VP hired an aging salesman that after selling the same commodity for 11 years just wasn't getting it done when he had to sell a slightly different product.

What if even after mortgaging the future they realized what a mistake it would be to continue moving forward with someone that wasn't worthy of coffee. After all coffee is for closers and the first prize is a new contract, the second price is steak knives, and does anyone want to see the third prize.

The ball is NOW in McNabb's court.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else posted this but, Fox's Jason Whitlock wrote an interesting piece on the recent goings-on...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Donovan-McNabb-Mike-Shanahan-benching-Washington-Redskins-110210

Posted by: CarbonChauvinist | November 3, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Carbon;
Haven't seen (or maybe noticed) you up here before, but that article is perfectly on point IMO.

Posted by: msrent | November 3, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Like the Whitlock piece, agree with kuch of it. He's hit part of the issue: Shanahan has a classic 'conflict of interest'. A choice between what is good for his son and what is good for the team. Those might agree much of the time, but not always.

Normally, there are tensions between various parties within an organization. This is because each party has an agenda and sometimes these conflict. Sometimes they don't conflict, but still, different people see different ways to get to the same desired point.

This tension is not inherently good or bad. It is a natural part of an organization. Done effectively, it provides both innovation and checks/balances.

However, Shanahan has too many roles. The result is the organization has limited innovation beyond Shanahan and essentially no checks/balances.

Snyder saw his franchise in financial decline -- and possible financial freefall. Snyder gave Shanahan the equivalent of a blank check and said "save my franchise".

We're seeing some of the unintended consequences of that deal. Not pretty, is it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 4:41 AM | Report abuse

JR, we as Skins fans are looking for the not-so obvious stories about our team, such as whether the team is interested in claiming Shawne Merriman off of waivers (?)

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 3, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else posted this but, Fox's Jason Whitlock wrote an interesting piece on the recent goings-on...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Donovan-McNabb-Mike-Shanahan-benching-Washington-Redskins-110210

Posted by: CarbonChauvinist | November 3, 2010 1:10 AM


Interesting? Or completely off-base?

All I see is Whitlock connecting dots without anything tangible to support his claim. I'd buy his assessment if Kyle Shanahan were some middle-of-the-road, nothing special coach that got a gig because of his name. But it seems to me, he's earned everything he's got.

His name may have helped land him gigs, but he's done more than enough to prove he belongs.

That said, he may or may not be up to the task here because he's got a fraction of the talent he had in Houston.

Seems to me, the bulk of this "professionalism" needs to fall on Mike Shanahan since he's the ultimate authority, not on Kyle. So that's why I'm a bit puzzled as to why Whitlock is jumping all over Junior. If Kyle is in the wrong, Mike should call him out on it. Hopefully, he's coach enough and man enough to play it fair.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan has too many roles. The result is the organization has limited innovation beyond Shanahan and essentially no checks/balances.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 4:41 AM


Now THAT is a possible problem...not nepotism. If Mike Shanahan was just trying to hook his son up like Whitlock makes it sound, then he would have been his OC in Denver...which he wasn't. I don't think he was ever an assistant for him until now. He specifically had him work under other coaches so as to prevent this very scenario--Kyle's accumen questioned because of his name. Kyle established himself elsewhere and THEN came to work for his dad, not the other way around.

Again...the onus is on Mike to ensure that he treats his son the same way he would/has Gary Kubiak--which is to say, like any other OC he's had. If having his boy on the staff is messing with his judgment, then that's on MIKE...not KYLE.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Somebody remarked , it would be better to get Logan Mankins than R. Moss- this actually might keep whoever the Redskins Quarterback is alive longer...

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 12:22 AM |

Well somebody obviously didn't know what they were talking about.

Picking up Moss off waivers has nothing to do with Logan Mankins.

Mankins is not a FA he belongs to the Pats the only way to get him would be to give up multiple picks for him. From what I've read people are tired of giving up picks for other teams players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 6:09 AM | Report abuse

The funny thing is if Shanny doesn't do what he did, then everyone on here except for maybe Brown is killing McNabb this week for the late interception.

All the media and the fans would be talking about is how bad McNabb has played and how he choked by throwing that pick and how he almost had a pick 6.

The o-line would be getting heat as well but the QB gets the most.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse


good morning RI, beeps peeps

Posted by: hessone | November 3, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Question: HOw much personnel power does Bruce Allen really have?? If he's turned into a "Yes Man" to The Shanny and the Little Napoleon, then this is gonna go south too.

Posted by: wagenstill | November 4, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Question: HOw much personnel power does Bruce Allen really have?? If he's turned into a "Yes Man" to The Shanny and the Little Napoleon, then this is gonna go south too.

Posted by: wagenstill | November 4, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is THROUGH! PERIOD, END OF STORY!
For the love of Pete, how much lipstick can one pig wear?

Posted by: burro2 | November 4, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

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