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K. Shanahan: Skins already have a third-down back

There's been plenty of talk about Brian Westbrook coming to play for his hometown Redskins. And on the surface, it makes sense. Westbrook is a versatile back and will be a great third-down weapon for some team.

While the Redskins are still waiting to hear back from him, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan recently noted that the team already has a third-down back.

"First thing with a third down back is you want a guy who can block. We have the best blocker as a back in Clinton Portis that I've ever been around," he said. "So I think we do have a third down back."

This isn't to say that the Redskins wouldn't be in the market for another back who might expand their arsenal on third down. It just might be a luxury.

"You would always love to have that bonus as a coach, have some catching guys, stuff like that. But that's just a bonus," Shanahan said. "That's not necessarily what you're trying to win games with...But what you've got to have is a guy who can block and pick up
protections. And we've got that."

Shanahan recently said that Portis will enter training camp as the team's No. 1 running back. He said an actual depth chart doesn't exist, so it's difficult to say how the backfield actually stacks up. With Larry Johnson and Willie Parker on the roster, the competition in
August should be interesting.

"We honestly don't even talk about it. We haven't even talked about Clinton being the first. I just said that because I assume he is," Shanahan said. "It really doesn't matter. Whoever is best for that defense that week. There's no two or three. There's really no four or five. Bobby Turner, he's as good as any running back coach there ever
was. He's got his way of working with those guys. He'll throw our last guy in with the second group sometimes to get that guy going, help someone out. So no one really knows until cuts come."

And it doesn't really matter to coaches how the yards are distributed. Just that they pile up. "It doesn't matter to me. Any way that you can do it," he said. "However we can always get over four yards a carry, whether it's one guy doing it, whether it's five guys doing it, whether it's three. It does not matter to me at all. You just want to call run plays that get positive yards."

By Rick Maese  |  June 25, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis , Kyle Shanahan , Larry Johnson , Running backs , Willie Parker  
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A guy who can get touchdowns and FIRST downs is fine with me!

Still...get Westbrook.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

I think Mark Moseley of ESPN.com is schmuck who is so far up Dallas ass that he can't see much else in the division. But I gotta say, dude is dead on with this:

"The bottom line is that Haynesworth and Shanahan won't be able to function together in Washington. The coach can't afford for any of his new players to have the perception that Haynesworth won this standoff. And that's why Haynesworth's announcement that he intended to show up for training camp meant nothing.

If the Redskins haven't traded or released Haynesworth by that time, I think they'll ask him to stay home. The time for healing or compromise has passed. In reality, Haynesworth hasn't been on this team since March.

Soon, it will become official."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15143/shanahan-has-to-win-this-standoff

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

"Always" getting four yards a carry would be outstanding. Can't wait!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 25, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

At least the coaching staff realizes they have to designate the owner's boyfriend and bottom as the #1 running back. I am sure this was discussed in the hot tub.

How has CP's production been over the last three years? And lets see his backups all have had too many carries and are washed up too.

Only hope for the Redskins is to package Haynesworth and CP and the #1 pick for the next five years and maybe some team will take these two knuckleheads off Mikey's hands. They could throw Cooley in just to sweeten the pot and get rid of bad locker room influence.

With their schedule and the knuckleheads on the team they will lucky to equal their record last year. 3-13 then 5-11 and Mikey retires and Brucie makes way the Return of Vinnie part III.

Posted by: sheepherder | June 25, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
First off, agree with getting Westbrook. Word is Willie Parker is burst-less, so Westbrook comes into the picture a little more. It would be a luxury, no doubt, but there's nothing wrong with have too many good players. If one of the young guys starts to develop, then they've got Westbrook, Portis or Johnson as trade bait.

Second, I think Haynesworth saying he will report to camp is another step in the dance. I don't think this team lets him go until they recover some of that bonus. This is $21.0 million we are talking about, and even though that is chump change for Snyder, it still is a lot of money. Yes, Shanahan and Haynesworth might be in a battle of wills, but I don't think Shanahan wins that battle until he gets some of that signing bonus back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's say the RBs get between 20-30 touches a game (rushing & receiving). Would having a rested Westbrook getting about 5-10 touches a game make a difference? Hell yeah it could, especially on third downs, or late in the game in hurry up mode Westbrook would stress the opposing defense. So I am hoping he comes to Washington. If he doesn’t, I’m with Kyle in that I think CP would do a solid albeit a less effective job as the third down specialist.

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

RSH, I get that man...I just don't see AH here when camp opens, no matter what. I can't imagine a disciplinarian like Shanahan letting this guy onto the field or in his locker room. Doing so would undermine every shred of his credibility.

sheepherder, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning? I mean, really...you somehow managed to jam every hair-brained, lunatic ranting RI has ever seen all into one idiotic post...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

sheepherder, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning? I mean, really...you somehow managed to jam every hair-brained, lunatic ranting RI has ever seen all into one idiotic post...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 7:59 AM

Sorry - it was me. I really had to go bad and the bowl was just so inviting. And it was one of those morning dehydrated pees.

Posted by: Section104 | June 25, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, Westbrook is a legit receiving threat coming out of the backfield that the defense HAS to account for. I get the sentiment that CP is a solid blocker, but he's not much of a receiver and you're pretty much announcing that he's there to block. Seems to me there's a greater chance of keeping the defense off balance by having that familiar safety valve there for McNabb on 3rd down instead of CP.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"I think Mark Moseley of ESPN.com is schmuck ... Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 6:13 AM"


Oops. I think you mean MATT Mosley.

Posted by: barriesargent | June 25, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone else notice the story about Devin Thomas getting a role in Fantasia's new music video?"


A lot of chicks find Devin Thomas to be one of the best looking men in all professional sports.

I just wish his wide receiver game was Sterling Sharpe ugly.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I just don't see AH here when camp opens, no matter what. I can't imagine a disciplinarian like Shanahan letting this guy onto the field or in his locker room. Doing so would undermine every shred of his credibility.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 7:59 AM

I think you underestimate the coach. He can let anyone into his locker room and humiliate the guy in front of his teammates -- gets more credibility than just cutting/trading the guy.

He is also capable of working out a win-win solution with Haynesworth on the team and the team better for it.

This isn't Zorn. Coach Shanahan controls Haynesworth's future with the Redskins, not Haynesworth.

Posted by: greenback | June 25, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Have Faith In The New Regime!

---PS, IF ALBERT IS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CHANGING HOW THE NFL SEES THE NT POSITION---

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I think you underestimate the coach. He can let anyone into his locker room and humiliate the guy in front of his teammates -- gets more credibility than just cutting/trading the guy.

Posted by: greenback | June 25, 2010 8:17 AM


There's a fine line between being tough on players in the name of instilling discipline and being a hard-ass for the sake of being a hard-ass. Ask Tom Coughlin.

Doing what you suggested does nothing but demonstrate to the players that Shanahan is the latter. He's already won them over, so it's not about impressing them with his handling of Haynesworth. It's about establishing a standard and holding EVERYONE accountable.

Shanahan departs from that by saying players need to show up, work hard, and put the team first--then inviting a guy into the locker room who does none of it.

So you're right...Shanahan isn't Zorn. If he was, Haynesworth would be in training camp living the example of what a football team doesn't need.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse


@Diesel44

You should try being the low hanging fruit on the tree, like hessone is. Oh, the humiliation of it all.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

---PS, IF ALBERT IS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CHANGING HOW THE NFL SEES THE NT POSITION---

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2010 8:18 AM


Amen to that.

What I don't get is why so many people are overlooking the fact that he's only supposed to ROTATE to NT on occasion. He's not gonna be the full time NT. He'd play RE and his natural RDT spot in the nickel/dime packages. If this clown ever showed up to get a full explanation of his role, he'd know this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 no doubt having Westbrook in as a 3rd back would make the offense that more dynamic. In fact, in Houston Kyle designed a number of plays to take advantage of Steve Slaton's skill set. I think with Westbrook, he'll do the same a design specific plays to taken advantage of his skills. Without him, I think the RBs would play a small part in the passing game, screens, outs etc. No specific play designs down field. That will fall to space killers like Moss, Wade, Davis etc.

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"Shanahan departs from that by saying players need to show up, work hard, and put the team first--then inviting a guy into the locker room who does none of it."

Whereas I understand and agree with where you're coming from, the situation is a bit more complex and deeper than what went on in the days of Lombardi.

Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen would be deemed complete idiots if they cut AH without even considering trading him for whatever meager draft picks they could get for him.

You release Albert Haynesworth, he goes to Dallas, and he shows up twice a year to beat up on the very loyal but not as able Casey Rabach, and folks will ask, "What were y'all thinking?"

And that's how today's NFL is different: no matter the situation a coach/personnel guy is in with a noxious player, he must play the game to where he comes out with value.

Too, who's to say Haynesworth--who can be a forceful,dominating player--won't show up to camp and find a home in Haslett's new defense?

Let's just ride this all out and see what godd we can get out of it as we've already had the bad.

After all, that's what the front office is doing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

What I don't get is why so many people are overlooking the fact that he's only supposed to ROTATE to NT on occasion. He's not gonna be the full time NT. He'd play RE and his natural RDT spot in the nickel/dime packages. If this clown ever showed up to get a full explanation of his role, he'd know this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

But then what would we talk about all off season???

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"IF ALBERT IS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CHANGING HOW THE NFL SEES THE NT POSITION"


The nose tackle position isn't what is at the bottom of Haynesworth's complaint.

What he wants is the freedom to play anywhere on the line--sometimes nose tackle, sometimes end, sometimes tackle--so he can make one-on-one plays against a guy singled up against him.

Thing is, without his having appeared in camp, he doesn't even now what Jim Haslett has in store for him.

AH doesn't want to be Shaun Rogers or Casey Hampton: and that's what's sad as those guys are willing to subvert their egos for the good of the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Moe, the stuff you're proposing is all fantasy. "You've gotta work with the guy because he's talented." All this stuff about AH from the same people who are dead set against bringing in TO. Completely baffling...

If the Skins cut AH, he's NOT going to Dallas. He doesn't want the 3-4. Period. So going to a 3-4 team--even a division rival--isn't in the cards. And the Skins are obviously not worried about that possibility since they offered him to Philly in the McNabb deal.

He'd go back to Tennessee or go to Detroit--places where he knows they'll run what he wants and let him be the f-ing d-bag that he is, unharrassed by petty things called rules.

All this best case scenario "IF IF IF" stuff with AH is completely misplaced. I mean, how many different ways does this guy have to demonstrate he's unreliable before he's more a liability than a help?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

At least the coaching staff realizes they have to designate the owner's boyfriend and bottom as the #1 running back. I am sure this was discussed in the hot tub.

How has CP's production been over the last three years? And lets see his backups all have had too many carries and are washed up too.

Only hope for the Redskins is to package Haynesworth and CP and the #1 pick for the next five years and maybe some team will take these two knuckleheads off Mikey's hands. They could throw Cooley in just to sweeten the pot and get rid of bad locker room influence.

With their schedule and the knuckleheads on the team they will lucky to equal their record last year. 3-13 then 5-11 and Mikey retires and Brucie makes way the Return of Vinnie part III.

Posted by: sheepherder | June 25, 2010
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And the fools rush in........go back to your sheep!!!!

Posted by: RealConservative | June 25, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Don't think Albert is as upset about playing a 3-4 as he is worried that someone else might be calling the line schemes. Remember, to date this Dude has been able to tap out whenever he wants a breather... which seems to be about every other play. He also seems to especially dislike lining up for third and short, for whatever reason. Just saying...

Posted by: Vic1 | June 25, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

sheepherder, who pissed in your Cheerios this morning? I mean, really...you somehow managed to jam every hair-brained, lunatic ranting RI has ever seen all into one idiotic post...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse


Almost. There was no mention of Marcus Mason in there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 25, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

And the fools rush in...

Posted by: RealConservative | June 25, 2010 9:02 AM

Speaking of foolishness, how does one make $51 million in 12 years and still end up having to file for bankruptcy?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/25/mark-brunell-declares-bankruptcy/

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

What I don't get is why so many people are overlooking the fact that he's only supposed to ROTATE to NT on occasion. He's not gonna be the full time NT. He'd play RE and his natural RDT spot in the nickel/dime packages. If this clown ever showed up to get a full explanation of his role, he'd know this...

Posted by: brownwood26

I don' think it would have mattered what they said to him. I am guessing the reasons he does not want to show up have nothing to do with how he is going to be used. My guess is that it is a combination of lazy and just got paid, high expectations that come with being paid and a coaching staff that is not going to put up with his immature ways.

I do agree with your earlier post that he is out of here because Shanahan cannot be seen as giving into Fat Al.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 25, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of foolishness, how does one make $51 million in 12 years and still end up having to file for bankruptcy?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/25/mark-brunell-declares-bankruptcy/

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth will have an answer for you by 2012.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 25, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Shanny Jr. praised his o-line, then proceeded to acquire guys to replace most of them, so I'm not attaching too much significance to these comments. I'm thinking he would still love to have Westbrook to put in there in passing situations.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 25, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

With at least a 50% improvement in both the offensive line and QB, the backs as well as the WR/TE will definitely improve from last year(s).

Posted by: fearturtle44 | June 25, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of foolishness, how does one make $51 million in 12 years and still end up having to file for bankruptcy?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/25/mark-brunell-declares-bankruptcy/

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 9:08 AM
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If you are about to be sued for making illegal loans, it makes sense to have no money. Would anyone be surprised if this guy didn't have forty million dollars squirreled away in a bank in the Cayman Islands?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

C.P will make a run for MVP this year!

Posted by: Michael_ASU | June 25, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Never liked Brunell. Always was a pompous a$$, thought his sh!t smelled sweeter than everybody elses.

Nights that we would come into town and stay at the team hotel the night before games, you could just tell he had an attitude problem.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

CP is the number one back period, the guy had one bad year the media trashed him and for what? He has been th best weapon this team has had. ...Through all the coaches, schemes etc the guy has been the best offensive weapon

Posted by: BeatDontStop | June 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I have 2 predictions -
1. Where ever Brian Westbrook ends up will be his last stop in the NFL and there won't be many touches before his head gets dinged again and he has to call it a career. He has amazing talent but once these concussions start re-occuring you know how the story ends. So as much as i think he'd be a good 3rd down back for us, I'm fine with passing on him.
2. Albert Haynesworth will end up with another team and eventually will play us again. When he does, I envision him doing something stupid ALA Mike Tyson after his invincibility was taken from him and he bit Holyfields ear off. Dude has been paid and doesn't want to work.His natural ability will be overtaken by his lack of conditioning and when he can no longer impose his will he will lose it. He has anger issues and will snap eventually. It isn't going to end pretty for this guy.

Posted by: scottmando | June 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see them sign Ian Scott for insurance and then let AH play outside all the time, b/c Daniels is not getting any younger. That would make that fat tubby happy and Shanahan wins as well. I am not sold on Carriker or Kemo - only Kemo cuz the Achilles is a big injury. Have a great weekend everyone.

Posted by: mhartz1 | June 25, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Even if Albert stays on this team, which seems very unlikely, I think he's benched.

I believe Shanny will purposely ruin this guy.

When CP is falling in line and minding his P's and Q's, you better be sure nobody else is going to get away with any BS.

AH92 is done in Washington.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 25, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

C.P will make a run for MVP this year!

Posted by: Michael_ASU | June 25, 2010 9:23 AM


Only if you mean "Most Valuable Portis"...which, as we know, he wins only by default...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"IF ALBERT IS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN CHANGING HOW THE NFL SEES THE NT POSITION"


The nose tackle position isn't what is at the bottom of Haynesworth's complaint.

What he wants is the freedom to play anywhere on the line--sometimes nose tackle, sometimes end, sometimes tackle--so he can make one-on-one plays against a guy singled up against him.

Thing is, without his having appeared in camp, he doesn't even now what Jim Haslett has in store for him.

AH doesn't want to be Shaun Rogers or Casey Hampton: and that's what's sad as those guys are willing to subvert their egos for the good of the team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 8:47 AM
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Moe, I think you hit the nail prexactly on the head. What AH wants he will never get with Haslett and that is permission to just do whatever he wants on the football field. How many times did Blache last year mention players "free-lancing"? Guess who he was talking about?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Even if Albert stays on this team, which seems very unlikely, I think he's benched.

I believe Shanny will purposely ruin this guy.

When CP is falling in line and minding his P's and Q's, you better be sure nobody else is going to get away with any BS.

AH92 is done in Washington.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 25, 2010 9:36 AM
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Things might start out that way, with Shanahan claiming that Haynesworth is not in football shape (part fo the dance, folks), but you couldn't resist to put a beast like Haynesworth into some game at some point. I believe that if he stays, he plays. If he goes, he pays back some of his bonus. I just believe that is how it will all play out.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"First thing with a third down back is you want a guy who can block. We have the best blocker as a back in Clinton Portis that I've ever been around," he said. "So I think we do have a third down back."

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How Many of you CP26 Haters just cringed reading that......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 8:35 AM

Did you read with the D-Coord said about AH and the NT position? If not, you should so you won't keep repeating this misinformation.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Sheepherder, Portis was in the Pro-bowl 2 years ago and you bash his production over the past 3 years? Do your research you yocal. And if i give you a concussion will you still be productive at your job? Here, let me fill that cheerios bowl for you.

Posted by: wewbank1 | June 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I think Mark Moseley of ESPN.com is schmuck who is so far up Dallas ass that he can't see much else in the division. But I gotta say, dude is dead on with this:

"The bottom line is that Haynesworth and Shanahan won't be able to function together in Washington. The coach can't afford for any of his new players to have the perception that Haynesworth won this standoff. And that's why Haynesworth's announcement that he intended to show up for training camp meant nothing.

If the Redskins haven't traded or released Haynesworth by that time, I think they'll ask him to stay home. The time for healing or compromise has passed. In reality, Haynesworth hasn't been on this team since March.

Soon, it will become official."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/15143/shanahan-has-to-win-this-standoff


Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 6:13 AM

Mosley is a former Dallas Beat Reporter.

This post is B.S. because HAyneworth has won if he is released or traded for Peanuts.

The Skins ONLY win if he stays and plays in the 3-4.

They break even if we trade him for a 1st.

Everything else, Haynesworth wins.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818d3505&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

The above link is to a story about the plea bargain that the HGH doc's assistant is making. It sounds like if there is any scrap of evidence that Moss took HGH, it will come out. They have this woman cooperating with authorities and seized the doctor's incriminating records labeled "NFL" and "CFL".

BTW, what is the CFL's take on HGH?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The nose tackle position isn't what is at the bottom of Haynesworth's complaint.

What he wants is the freedom to play anywhere on the line...

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse
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I think that's what he wants you to believe. But what isn't said is that his golden goose is all out of eggs for the next 2 years, and you have a guy who just essentially made $32 mil in one season staring at a paltry $3+ mil salary this season, and $5+ next season.

As things stand, the 3rd season will be his last in DC, and his contract will be untradeable, so he is going to get cut. Period.

So he has a window where if he can force a trade, there is a chance the receiving team will be amicable to restructuring his contract for some more cheddar up front.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | June 25, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"If the Skins cut AH, he's NOT going to Dallas. He doesn't want the 3-4."

Son, again, it's not the 3-4 that rankles AH it's not having the freedom to play anywhere along the line.

He doesn't want to be locked into the nose tackle position a la C Hampton and S Rogers.

He wants to roam anywhere along the line to make plays, and you can do that in the 3-4 or 4-3.

And guess which NFC East teams rotate its best defensive linemen into multiple spots to make plays?

The Dallas Cowboys and New York Giants.

Again: if he is to go, it must be via trade so you keep him out of the division or conference if possible.

And you must take whatever value in picks you can get for him.

Otherwise, come July 29th, he's better off being a Washington Redskin, and if the FO felt otherwise, he'd be gone already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 25, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The Skins ONLY win if he stays and plays in the 3-4.

They break even if we trade him for a 1st.

Everything else, Haynesworth wins.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 10:00 AM


This is where we disagree.

To me, moving on and having a locker room full of guys who are all together in the cause to win and win now is a win. Engaging AH in a pissing match on who's right and who's wrong and who-said-what-and-when is a distraction that AH wants to get the ticket out of town that he's clamoring for.

Either way, Haynesworth has his money. That's all he cares about. So based on what you're saying, he's already won no matter what. Keeping him here when he doesn't wanna be here or trying to go after his money is doing nothing but being spiteful and trying to get back at him. If this is a football decision, there's only one option and one option alone: GET HIM OUT.

I'm for trying to trade him and getting something out of the deal. But to me, that's more about saving face than it is accomodating AH. Teams around the league have to have red flags up about this guy and they also have to be aware that the Redskins are not in a position of power when it comes to negotiating the asking price. So cutting him isn't a loss, IMO since it's apparent that Shanahan wants no parts of this guy.

The bad investment has been made. Nothing is going to change that, so now you cut your losses. If this is about the team and giving this squad the best chance possible to compete at a high level immediately, the only scenario that can be called a win is one that involves AH being shown the door.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

y'know what would be really funny in all of this Stompy mess:

After all the off-season problems, Stompy shows up in shape, begrudgingly plays the position he's assigned. We begin to win games. Sack totals climb for the D, as do turnovers. And we make the playoffs.

Everyone stops beyothcing. Maybe the coaches know wins can do that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

I don't think that Snider will see any of his bonus money back. As long as Fat Albert shows up for camp and doesn't do anythin openly disruptive, the Skins can't go after it through any legal challenges. I can't picture Fat Albert giving any back voluntarily. When has he EVER willingly gave up any money? Hell, he doesn't even want to part with his cash even when he is legally obligagated to.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

y'know what would be really funny in all of this Stompy mess:

After all the off-season problems, Stompy shows up in shape, begrudgingly plays the position he's assigned. We begin to win games. Sack totals climb for the D, as do turnovers. And we make the playoffs.

Everyone stops beyothcing. Maybe the coaches know wins can do that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 10:14 AM
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You forgot the unicorns and dancing penguins in this fantasy of yours.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The bad investment has been made. Nothing is going to change that, so now you cut your losses. If this is about the team and giving this squad the best chance possible to compete at a high level immediately, the only scenario that can be called a win is one that involves AH being shown the door.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I could not agree more with this. Right now everyone is on board and practicing hard, even Clinton freaking Portis.

Get him out, get him out, get him out.

I would rather have Maake anyday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 25, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I agree with adding Westbrook. He is still a match-up problem for defenses even at this stage of his career. As for AH letting him just walk\trading him is a WIN for AH and looks bad for Shanny\Allen. An unhappy player demands a trade and you just give it to him to avoid a confrontation. That looks like weakness and sets a bad precedent for the locker room.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 25, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor,
I agree with brownwood's assesment of the AH situation, but will add this to the equation.
Remember that a new CBA has to be negotiated this year. If Fat Albert appears to "win" in this standoff it will be good for the owners in the long run. The owners will be able to use albert as a rallying point to receive concessions from the NFLPA, especially on issues regarding salary guarantees and legal recourse for recouping bonus money when players try to pull this kind of BS in the future. Right now, the process of recovering bonus money from players is decidedly in the players favor. If that changes in the new CBA, then this could be considered a win for the owners that would save them more money in the long run. It might also prevent players from ever trying to emulate Fat Alberts precident if they know that the labor rules are no longer benneficial to this tactic.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

I don't think that Snider will see any of his bonus money back. As long as Fat Albert shows up for camp and doesn't do anythin openly disruptive, the Skins can't go after it through any legal challenges. I can't picture Fat Albert giving any back voluntarily. When has he EVER willingly gave up any money? Hell, he doesn't even want to part with his cash even when he is legally obligagated to.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 10:19 AM
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Then so be it. I wouldn't trade him and I would make him work his butt off, too. That's not being spiteful, that's trying to get a return on the investment. I am thinking that if a team comes up that is more agreeable to his terms, then he is going to give at least some of the money back to get traded. Possibly, he could get the team where he'd be going to compensate him for what he gives back to the Redskins. I don't think they'll get all of it back, but they could get a portion.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 25, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Of course getting 4 yards a carry is a LOT easier with Williams and Brown at OT.

Turner is a good offensive coach but his backs wouldn't run for ANY yardage behind Stephon Heyer and William Robinson.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | June 25, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

wewbank1

Posters keep referencing the pro bowl. How many of you even watch the pro bowl? I don't consider it a benchmark of a players capabilities. Again, I mention London Fletcher and all the years he has been snubbed. And I do mean elected to the game, not a sub. And what is remarkable is using it as a worth of a player that hasen't been elected to the game for several years.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth already F'd it up for them....Ish is gonna get changed irregardless of what hapens going forward....

Now, that being said, HAynesworth is gonna play his fat a$$ in the 3-4...Or he can chill @ home and continue to get fat and we'll go after his $$ next year....

Or someone can give us ample compensation for him...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

How so? I mean we are talking about 'professionals' here. Granted it doesn't seem plausible now. But remember all that noise in Philly when TO was there.. and they still went to the superbowl...

just sayin' is all...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

If this is about the team and giving this squad the best chance possible to compete at a high level immediately, the only scenario that can be called a win is one that involves AH being shown the door.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Get him out, get him out, get him out.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 25, 2010 10:27 AM

Agree to disagree. There's plenty of time to solve this problem and there are two expert problem solvers working on it. (I'm referring here to Allen and Shanahan, not to Brownwood and iH8.)

Posted by: greenback | June 25, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

anyone else find it funny that our women's softball players have more ballz than pro soccer dandies? hehehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you once again make the assumption that AH is motivated by something other than money. I've only seen him beast out when he's playing for money. So the assumption that Dallas or NYG will get the best out of him is presumptive at best.

The guy you saw in '08 no longer exists and I doubt he ever will exist again. The guy we have now is the lazy POS that would rather be home eating bon-bons than forging some sort of cohesion with his teammates.

I just don't know how much worse this has to be for you and others to realize this ain't gonna work. I mean, the FO AND the coaching staff AND the players aren't happy with the guy. Unless you're hearing some level of support from the groundskeepers, I'm not sure who else there is for him to piss off.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

To those who think forcing Fat Albert to actually play is a good idea:

"Oops, sorry coach. I thought I was supposed to rush outside on that play, not inside."

"Oops, sorry coach. I thought I had him wrapped-up"

"Oops, sorry coach. I didn't mean to jump offside. Was that third and short?"

"Oops, sorry coach. I thought he was still inbounds"

"Oops, sorry coach. I didn't mean to grab his facemask."

Doesn't have to be all the time. Just enough to hurt in crucial situations.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying a AH is not a headache worth getting rid of. But I think it sets a precedent for the players and how they deal with the coach\front office. I think they need to bring him to camp and try playing him at right DE. I've heard some analyst claim that is his best spot in the 3-4. Not NT. There is a reason there are no 6-6 NT in the NFL. I'm sure he may need to drop down there for a series to give someone else a blow. Like Shanny said the from line has to play all 3 positions to some extent. If he comes in and quits on the team and gives zero effort then that is another issue.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 25, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, how can you say Stompy is motivated by money? We already gave him the most ever, and he still isn't motivated.

Something tells me he needs a SJK-whoppin and that might do it.

...then again, mebbe he's just a sociopath.

Your conclusions don't seem off to me, tho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

...I just don't know how much worse this has to be for you and others to realize this ain't gonna work. I mean, the FO AND the coaching staff AND the players aren't happy with the guy. Unless you're hearing some level of support from the groundskeepers, I'm not sure who else there is for him to piss off.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:00 AM

The same could have been said about Portis not too long ago (except with respect to the FO, which seemeed to love him regardless--to the chagrin of his teammates).

Change is the only constant here.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 25, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

This can't end well either...from PFT:

Albert Haynesworth possibly lands on Twitter
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2010 9:28 AM ET
So with Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth not showing up for work this summer, what is he doing with his free time?

He possibly has launched a Twitter page.

It started on Wednesday night, with this entry: "bored in tennessee. just thought i would made a twitter page."

Though we're skeptical about the legitimacy of the account, ESPN's Chris Mortensen said on his own verified page that "his recent tweets makes me believe it is."

That said, his use of the phrase "just thought i would made a twitter page" tends to persuade us that maybe it really is Haynesworth.

UPDATE: Mort also explains, via Twitter, that he has sent to the Haynesworth account a direct-message question that only Haynesworth would be able to answer. (Our guess is that it's probably some obscure fact about Titans coach Jeff Fisher, Haynesworth's former boss.)

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't have to be all the time. Just enough to hurt in crucial situations.


Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 11:01 AM

That won't happen.....He has teamates who would prob whoop his azz....And if he did, there's ways to handle it or he won't see a football field for a long time....unless it's Flag Football...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

he better be careful or he'll accidentally a whole urinal cake.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Lazy McHaynesworth stuff aside, am I the only one getting psyched?

These guys really seem to be getting this act together finally.

Posted by: kone | June 25, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The same could have been said about Portis not too long ago (except with respect to the FO, which seemeed to love him regardless--to the chagrin of his teammates).

Change is the only constant here.


Posted by: Alan4 | June 25, 2010 11:10 AM


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Portis never said he's not coming to Redskins Park because he doesn't like being used as a power runner or his teammates coming out publicly and saying "he's selfish".

I think he's got his own set of issues and his schtick has worn thin on me as well. But he's falling in line with this new regime because he knows Shanahan means business.

Plus, he's been productive here. Which AH can't say. Even though I disagree with management having a double-standard with regard to his treatment, Portis put up numbers and helped this team to the playoffs twice. AH doesn't have a leg to stand on because he hasn't done a fraction of what CP has done.

A guy with no body of work in burgundy and gold shouldn't be able to call his shots here, new coach or not. Anything less than making an example of his ass is unacceptable.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Wake me up when Joey Galloway is no longer on the roster.

Posted by: ShovelPlease | June 25, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Giants rookie injured in car crash
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2010 11:15 AM ET

Giants safety Chad Jones, a third-round pick in the 2010 draft, has been injured in a car accident in New Orleans.

A member of the local media sent to us a photo of the vehicle. It's a frightening image.

Per WWL, Jones was alert when taken by ambulance to the hospital.

Two weeks ago, Jones signed his rookie deal with the Giants. He also was drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers after playing both football and baseball at LSU, winning a national title in each sport.

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

A guy with no body of work in burgundy and gold shouldn't be able to call his shots here, new coach or not. Anything less than making an example of his ass is unacceptable.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:23 AM


Wasn't he the best d-linemen on the Skins last year? Didn't other guys have better numbers because of him? Why are you, among others, acting as if you have some personal stake in this? At this point, he hasn't done anything to hurt the team. This is just a part of the "business" of football.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Personally, the only victory I see out of this for Shanallen is if AH plays with the Skins this year. Anything else would be giving into AH's demands and sets the worst precedent for this FO.

If he gets him to play (and especially if AH plays well), Shanahan comes across as THE MAN!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 25, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

anyone else find it funny that our women's softball players have more ballz than pro soccer dandies? hehehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2010 10:57 AM


Well to be fair, female softball players are often stereotyped as liking other women. Many of them are more a man than a lot of men :p. Haynesworth could learn a thing or two about being a man from the women's softball team.

Posted by: ecale25 | June 25, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

That won't happen.....He has teamates who would prob whoop his azz....And if he did, there's ways to handle it or he won't see a football field for a long time....unless it's Flag Football...

Posted by: 4thFloor
Like I said, JUST ENOUGH. It would be tough to proove, but deadly to the Skins season. NOT worth the gamble.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 25, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

@AH92
Just remember…There’s always someone on the side lines smiling.
Let’s hear more than just a prepared statement. Pride got your tongue?

Posted by: camp_fodder | June 25, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

...AH doesn't have a leg to stand on because he hasn't done a fraction of what CP has done.

A guy with no body of work in burgundy and gold shouldn't be able to call his shots here, new coach or not. Anything less than making an example of his ass is unacceptable.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:23 AM

Let me make it clear, I'm not defending Haynesworth's behavior. But let's not pretend he's not in the conversation as one of the best defensive players in the league. He's a pampered prima donna, just like Portis has been over the past couple of years. The biggest difference is Haynesworth is making enemeies in the front office... he doesn't care, because they gave him way too much guaranteed money up front.

Hayneworth hasn't changed--he showed this same behavior last year when Zorn reprimanded him.

It remains to be seen if Portis has really changed. Let's see how he responds when things start going wrong.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 25, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@kass

I geuss we will see then....but he'd have to be one stupid MoFo to think that will get him out the door quicker...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't he the best d-linemen on the Skins last year? Didn't other guys have better numbers because of him? Why are you, among others, acting as if you have some personal stake in this? At this point, he hasn't done anything to hurt the team. This is just a part of the "business" of football.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 11:26 AM


AH may have opened up some things for 'Rak and Carter, but I'm a little sick of people giving him all the credit for their seasons. I mean, really...Carter had 10.5 sacks here just a couple years ago. Not as a 49er, as a Redskin. Orakpo was the best pass rusher available in last year's draft and was a STEAL at 13th overall. Even though it was the Raiders, 'Rak had far and away his best game as a pro WITHOUT Hayney on the field, so let's stop making it sound like AH played with a bunch of slappies that got their big break because of him.

And it's not about having a "personal stake in this"...we ALL take Redskins football pretty seriously up here, otherwise we wouldn't waste countless hours on this blog. It just chaps my ass that at a time when there are pieces in motion to end the long drought here, you have this one d-bag undercutting the whole effort. Some of us up here--myself included--missed out on the glory years for one reason or another. If the Norv Era is the best era of Redskins football I've seen, then surely you understand that I'm staunchly opposed to ANYTHING that stands in the way of this team FINALLY turning things around.

Plus I'm genuinely annoyed by people who think that they're getting the '08 edition of Albert Haynesworth here. Hell, the team that drafted him didn't get that version of him till the time came for him to get a new contract, so what makes you think you'll EVER see that level of production from this guy now that's he's got his money?

Keeping this pain in the ass is just pointless. By my count, there have been 44 Super Bowl champions who earned their trophy without Albert Haynesworth. It just baffles me how Skins fans--the one fanbase in the NFL that should understand more than anyone the value of having a cohesive TEAM instead of a collection of talented individuals--think getting rid of this obvious cancer would set this franchise back in any way.

KEEPING HIM is what will set the franchise back. No doubt about it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Oops...nevermind on the AH Twitter acct:

Haynesworth Twitter account quickly goes dark
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 25, 2010 11:13 AM ET
That didn't take long.

The supposed Twitter account for Albert Haynesworth quickly was deleted Friday morning after ESPN's Chris Mortensen did some sleuthing.

Not that we should have needed too much help. One of the fake account's first messages: "i wonder if i search my name what will come up."

The next time Albert Haynesworth cares about the opinion of football fans will be the first. He doesn't exactly strike us as the self-reflective type.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow TWISI...I just saw the pic of that car crash. If that kid is still alive, he ain't playin' ball this year--if ever again. I mean, that car looks like it was dropped from a plane!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This post is B.S. because HAyneworth has won if he is released or traded for Peanuts.

The Skins ONLY win if he stays and plays in the 3-4.

They break even if we trade him for a 1st.

Everything else, Haynesworth wins.

Posted by: 4thFloor

If you think Albert getting his way or not is the only win/loss in this than you are wrong.

The Skins could hold onto him and try to make him play. This undermines Shanny's authority as he now has to play a malcontent that defied him every step of the way. AH will be a malcontent that will half a$$ it because he does not want to be here and he does not want to play for Shanny. The other players will look at AH. Shanny will have lost some of the respect of the other players because AH did what he wanted and is still on the team and playing him because he is talented. How is this the Redskins winning?

If they cut him or ship him out every other player knows it is Shanny's way or the highway.

Any protracted contract games and fining of AH is only a distraction. He is not in shape so you fine him and go after his bonus. Every player gets asked every day about AH and what is going on. Major distraction. He is a cancer of epic proportions and needs to be removed.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 25, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Shooting occurs at Mike Vick's birthday party
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2010 11:30 AM ET
Eagles quarterback Mike Vick, who remains on federal probation following a two-year prison term for dogfighting, celebrated his 30th birthday with a party at a Virginia Beach club. And, apparently, one of the games was pin the tail on the donkey.

With bullets.

A shooting reportedly occurred as the club was closing. A fight broke out, and then someone whipped out the ultimate peacemaker.

One man was shot, per WTKR, which also cites unnamed sources in reporting that the shooting occurred at the party. The victim initially refused treatment but then went to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

A police spokesman said that the victim and witnesses were being "uncooperative."

The invitation to the party boasted that Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall and Colts safety Antoine Bethea would be attending, along with former NBA star Allen Iverson. (That is, we think they meant Antoine Bethea of the Colts; the invitation says "Antwoine.")

Though there's no indication that Vick was involved in the shooting, the mere fact that someone possibly came to the birthday party of a guy on federal probation with a gun in his (or her) possession could invite the feds to examine very closely whether Vick has honored all terms of his supervised release -- which usually includes not hanging out with folks who carry guns.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

...It just baffles me how Skins fans--the one fanbase in the NFL that should understand more than anyone the value of having a cohesive TEAM instead of a collection of talented individuals--think getting rid of this obvious cancer would set this franchise back in any way...

I think you've misjudged the fanbase. There's a good portion of the fanbase that fondly remembers the playoff and Super Bowl TEAMS that wore burgundy and gold, but there's another SIGNIFICANT portion of the fanbase clearly conditioned by the decade-long Fantasy Football approach to building a team.

For those fans, it's exciting to have superstars who made a name in other cities on your team--even if there best years are well behind them.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 25, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

AH needs a "blanket party" more than anyone I can recall.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 25, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mark Brunell bankrupt??? I find this just ridiculous. its like a parody of a cliche at this point. Just put the friggin money in a saving account...52 million in contracts and bankrupt???? Wow...Where is Jesus when you need him Mark!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/25/mark-brunell-declares-bankruptcy/

Posted by: chrislarry | June 25, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:43 AM

His career numbers are fairly consistent season over season. Guys are entitled to a career year. It happens ya know. If it comes in a contract year bully for him. He had his money last season (2009) and he was the team's best DLineman. To say Carter didn't benefit from playing next to him is laughable. You weren't screaming and crying about Haynesworth until his OFF SEASON. So what you're really upset about is the dude said he didn't want to play NT. Now go rub some aloe on that butt.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

could invite the feds to examine very closely whether Vick has honored all terms of his supervised release -- which usually includes not hanging out with folks who carry guns.


Posted by: brownwood26


not the sharpest knife in the drawer now is he?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 25, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Brown- only fans raised by ESPN say things like setting the franchise back. You don't remember that Wilber Marshall didn't care for how he was used in Petitbon's scheme, Art Monk thought he should get more balls thrown to him, same as Gary Clark. Kelvin Bryant thought he was used incorrectly at times.

Kobe Bryant demanded to be traded and unlike AH denigrated A.Bynum and the Laker's organization when he did. Did he get traded?

My point and Learnedhand's point is...these things happen in the offseason all the time. While, no one has a "personal stake" in this, if you're a poster like me-when you come onto these boards-you'd never know that these posters DIDN'T have a personal stake.

The venom in the comments, day after day after day after day after day is stifling. I mean,I get it-many posters are upset with AH, OK, OOOHHKKKAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!! But you once mentioned to me that you were "tired of the same Snyder will never change, comments", right. I'm tired of frat boy insults at AH, " tired of same 'fat albert', he sucks comments"

Let's all move on please.

As I like to mention, when I was younger I would killed for the ability to talk Skins' all day, every day. All we had were barbershops for this. Now, that we have the internet & to my horror, every thread de-volves in name-calling, traded barbs & who can make snappy retorts.

That's not discussing football, man.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

You weren't screaming and crying about Haynesworth until his OFF SEASON. So what you're really upset about is the dude said he didn't want to play NT. Now go rub some aloe on that butt.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 12:01 PM


You apparently don't know my stance on AH because I shouted from every rooftop I could find LAST offseason for the Skins to stay as far away from this guy as possible. I thought he'd turd out by slacking off now that he's got his money (which he did), not try to bully his way outta town. So in actuality, I probably gave his fat ass TOO much credit.

And I didn't say that Carter and 'Rak didn't benefit from him at all...I'm just sick of people like you giving AH all the credit for those guys having big years. If Chris Wilson goes for 11 sacks, I'd give you that point. But Pro-Bowl caliber peformers having Pro-Bowl seasons isn't the product of AH.

What's REALLY laughable is you thinking that AH having a "career year" in a contract year is some kind of coincidence. If you believe that, I've got a bridge in London for sale that might interest you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Vick has a party at a nightclub. Person comes to nightclub with a gun. Vick violates parole/probation? No. Clubs throw these promotional events all of the time. The players are used to draw women who in turn draw men. The players don't personally know 99% of the people who attend. They get money to show up and/or get comped on the tab.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow TWISI...this sounds bad:


Chad Jones in critical condition after car accident
Posted by Mike Florio on June 25, 2010 11:50 AM ET
Giants safety Chad Jones, a third-round pick in the 2010 draft, was listed in critical condition and in surgery as of 11:15 a.m. ET following a serious car accident.

Per WWL-TV, Jones suffered a fractured leg, with "arteries and nerves exposed."

The headline to the item characterizes Jones as being in "guarded" condition, but the article uses only the term "critical."

Either way, it's a serious situation and our prayers are with Jones and his family.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

My point and Learnedhand's point is...these things happen in the offseason all the time.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 12:06 PM


If that were true, AH's Redskin teammates wouldn't have been coming out in droves calling him "selfish" and saying there's no viable reason for him not to be there sweating his ass off to 1) justify his contract like he said he would and 2) try to shake the stink of a 4-12 season off him. You wanna talk football, that's talkin' football, dude.

Fans ALWAYS blow stuff outta proportion. But the minute his teammates lined up against him, I knew it wasn't a media thing anymore.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 12:10 PM

Read and comprehend. I'm not talking about whether you supported the Skins signing him. You did not complain about his play last season. End of story.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

AH may have opened up some things for 'Rak and Carter, but I'm a little sick of people giving him all the credit for their seasons. I mean, really...Carter had 10.5 sacks here just a couple years ago. Not as a 49er, as a Redskin. Orakpo was the best pass rusher available in last year's draft and was a STEAL at 13th overall. Even though it was the Raiders, 'Rak had far and away his best game as a pro WITHOUT Hayney on the field, so let's stop making it sound like AH played with a bunch of slappies that got their big break because of him.
brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 11:43 AM

Amen to this. Seems those who keep quoting AH as the reason for everyone else having a good year seems to ignore what the Redskins D achieved, usually without much help from the offense, in the several years PRIOR to AH.

Much is made of the increase in sacks from 2008 to '09, which is I will admit is nice, but did it result in the team making more turnovers or a allowing fewer points?
All else is window dressing.

Posted by: craig81 | June 25, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

That should of course have said 'force' more turnovers.

We don't want to make anymore.

Posted by: craig81 | June 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

glad to see that all the hate is still flying around up here. The article I read said KS acknowledged CP as the best blocking back he's been around.

Haynesworth was one if the few bright spots last year, very few bright spots, without him our D will suffer!

I didn't want him, but we got him and we payed dearly and he's very talented, make it work coach that's your job.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Either way, it's a serious situation and our prayers are with Jones and his family.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2010 12:13 PM

Dude was just getting his career started, and now it's over. Tragic.

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

" This undermines Shanny's authority as he now has to play a malcontent that defied him every step of the way. AH will be a malcontent that will half a$$ it because he does not want to be here and he does not want to play for Shanny. The other players will look at AH. Shanny will have lost some of the respect of the other players because AH did what he wanted and is still on the team and playing him because he is talented. How is this the Redskins winning?

If they cut him or ship him out every other player knows it is Shanny's way or the highway.

Any protracted contract games and fining of AH is only a distraction. He is not in shape so you fine him and go after his bonus. Every player gets asked every day about AH and what is going on. Major distraction. He is a cancer of epic proportions and needs to be removed.

Posted by: srobert111

Funny, how when Snyder's name is mentioned many posters like Kaas go "here we go again" But Dan Snyder is the center of the Redskins universe,it revolves around him.
He is the team's chief saboteur and this AH/Shanahan episode shows it again. Dan Snyder must solve this, because only he can. Both AH and MS have taken hard, though not, inflexible positions.
If Snyder is half the charismatic schmoozer and back slapper he believes himself to be, this will be solved at training camp.
How do you know AH will half-a$$ it? How do you know his teammates will lose respect for Shanahan? You don't KNOW these things. Despite what you and fans like you believe,you're the negative & pessimistic ones.
If AH were to come to camp and be a distraction, just like B.Marshall with the Broncos, he'll be sent home for 'conduct detrimental..." AH knows this, so he won't do that.
All I'm saying is don't "catch" feelings as a fan toward AH, some of you are making yourself hate the guy and.....he may still be on this team next year!!!
If Dan Snyder felt the way YOU ALL DO-he would have eaten the contract-there's no CBA in play right now-but he hasn't, so some of you are going to have to get over you feelings for AH. Or not, it's a free country.
But AH is not going anywhere for the time being.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: TWISI | June 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

just popping into the comments section for my daily beep beep

Posted by: --swb | June 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable that people are b*tching over the Haynesworth b*tching.

B*tching is two fold. Deal with it and accept that you're going to have to read people knocking "your guy". Just like you have the right to carry the flag for "your guy" they have the right to burn that summah b*tch.

I haven't been one to express my heartfelt discontent day in and day out like some, but to think that Haynesworth sh*t doesn't stink in this one, is just crazy. Or you have some soft spot for overpaid, irresponsible, narcist fat fu_ks who haven't done ANYTHING with THIS team.


I mean, it's really simple. They gave you 21 million under the condition that "you're going to be the best NOSE TACKLE" in the game. Hanyesworth said "okay, gimme my money", then acts as if he was lied to....

Um, by WHOM!?!?!?!

Bottom line is that they gave him 21 million dollar BONUS to play football. So yeah, excuse the fu_k out of me if I'm not too thrilled about this Haynesworth bullsh*t. He should have had his ass here with his teammates learning the new scheme.

To give him a pass, down play it, or to just simply look the other way on it is foolish.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 25, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Fans ALWAYS blow stuff outta proportion. But the minute his teammates lined up against him, I knew it wasn't a media thing anymore.

Posted by: brownwood26

Brownie baby, the team hasn't LINED UP against him. What, because they expressed their opinion on the AH? They're grown men,homey.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

@RedDMV- That's why Snyder must step in and massage this situation.

"...learning the new scheme..."
If Farve can dawdle with 3 franchises waiting to see if he'll retire or come back to them and then learn a new offense with the Jets and Vikings, then surely AH can learn whatever he needs to in camp.


You all are giving the guy false power-he doesn't have influence that you are ascribing to him.

"Your guy"

I don't know who you were talking to, but AH isn't "my guy". Posters like you are catching feelings over SOME ELSE'S money. Now, that's foolish.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Brown, you've been belly-aching about Stompworth as much as I belly-ache about $nyder. How come you get a pass here. Be honest with yourself. Didn't you feel the same with the second coming of Gibbs as you do now with Shanahan? Just a thought.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I must say I love this team! I've been a fan of the Washington Redskins for 24 years now and I still love this F'n team. Though always proud to show off the greatest tat I ever got, this year, this season, this new regime makes me hopeful once again. Every year we all celebrate prior to every season and yet we have know reason other than our loyalties to a great team and even greater history. Right now we are better than we ever were. Right now we have the people in place to bring back the respect this orginization once had. Right now we move forward to better times. I can't wait for the season to start. Right now I am searching for tickets to opening day vs the cowgirls. Right now I'm excited to take my nephew to his first home game. To date he's only witnessed the 41-0 preseaon horror show at the hands of the ne cheetahs and the 52-7 remake of that horror show. Well he will witness the glory that is beating the cowgirls at home this year. HTTR!

Posted by: Rep281 | June 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been one to express my heartfelt discontent day in and day out like some, but to think that Haynesworth sh*t doesn't stink in this one, is just crazy. Or you have some soft spot for overpaid, irresponsible, narcist fat fu_ks who haven't done ANYTHING with THIS team.

So yeah, excuse the fu_k out of me if I'm not too thrilled about this Haynesworth bullsh*t. He should have had his ass here with his teammates learning the new scheme.
Posted by: RedDMV

Hahahah...well said.
The Haynesworth situation, despite the merits of the argument that Haynesworth is being asked to do something he didn't sign-up for, is something which is so typical of Haynesworth that it is impossible to ignore that this is just another example of people being stepped-on by him.
Everything you hear about AH points to him as being a low-life POS. His financial dealings, personal life, on-the-field indiscretions, conditioning, attitude, and relationship with his employer, all point to the fact that he won't take responsibility, keep promises, or refrain from being selfish.

Why the hell would someone defend someone like AH who is despised by everyone who either knows him, or interacts with him?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Some fans, are acting as though, only 'other' teams have headcases. You're being broken in, I guess AH is busting your cherries.
So yeah, even the mighty Redskins can acquire a headcase player, we don't like it but, it happens, sorry.

Now, back to football-it's a trip how the Post is driving the B.Westbrook story, I don't recall any of us posters writing about Westbrook coming here except to say we don't like it.
Somehow the Post doesn't realize that as fans, once you have played for a division rival and/or acquired the term 'Redskin Killer' like Westbrook, we are not eager to have you join the Skins'!

"His hometown Redskins"
Ha! That joker is an Eagle-forget the romantic "hometown" crap. And he's old, and brittle.
Sorry, WaPo, I still hate that Deion was on the team, shoot I hate that Cowboys'safety James Washington was here. I'm still trying to get over the fact that Norv came from the Cowboys and that was a decade ago. So, ah, forgive me for not doing cartwheels over the prospect of Westbrook...and McNabb. I'm still remember the pyschic pain caused by these two on many a Sunday. I'll get over McNabb, but only when I see in the 1st scrimmage.

HEY, REDSKINS NATION-THE SCRIMMAGES WILL BE HAPPEN IN JUST A FEW WEEKS!!!!!!!

Are we scrimmaging the Steelers 1st as usual?
I'm interested in seeing Robert Henson, our 2nd year LB. I don't know how many of you saw him at TCU, but I caught games on FoxSports and he was good at dropping into coverage there. He reminded me of a poor man's Derrick Brooks, but naturally bigger that DB was coming out at Florida St.

However, if it was, say five years ago, hmmmn....I'm no fool! :-p

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Everything you hear about AH points to him as being a low-life POS. His financial dealings, personal life, on-the-field indiscretions, conditioning, attitude, and relationship with his employer, all point to the fact that he won't take responsibility, keep promises, or refrain from being selfish.

Why the hell would someone defend someone like AH who is despised by everyone who either knows him, or interacts with him?
monkeymayonaise
---------------

Hey, Monk-Are you here as a football fan or a social conservative?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

It's been awhile since I last posted.

The AH situation is a direct result of Vinny Cerrator and Dan Snyder continuing to interfere with the management of this team. Its no way that contract should have ever been offered.

Now AH, is a different story within the story. First of all, his present actions are a direct correlation with his history. He's a spoiled athlete, not typical of most NFL players. But this is his history. When signing that contract he promised to be the best player in the league, what happened to that promise?

When he plays hard, he is a very good player. I'm not sure he is in shape to play, much less play. He wasn't last season anyways, I'm not sure what he's done over the summer but I'm willing to gamble - working out isn't high on his to do list.

My prediction, he gets hurt early and has to sit out much of the preseason and season. Pulled groin/hamstring.

We don't deserve to get money back, Vinny offered up the stupid contract now Danny Boy has to live with it or should I say pay it off. AH is looking good.....now his legal ordeals are other stories..... and I bet he's broke by 40, if not sooner. IMHO, he's not a football player, doesn't have the fortitude or mindset. Give me 11 London Fletchers and I'll beat the socks off 11 AH's. (easily)

Posted by: Rando | June 25, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

To all who point out that he stepped on another players head,as a sign of his charachter, you DO know that was Andre Gurode from the COWBOYS right?!!?

I remember how much I enjoyed the replays of it at the time.

Stepping on a Cowboys' head is a virtue to me.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse


@ArmchairGM

I can't find the humor or sportsmanship in your comments here, Armchair. That's another human beings head you're talking about.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

@ArmchairGM

You are correct sir. Hessone, Cowboys aren't human beings. Go back to Texas pansy.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | June 25, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

@ArmchairGM

You are correct sir. Hessone, Cowboys aren't human beings. Go back to Texas pansy.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | June 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse


@bosshog7169

Real tough guy. You put yourself in the same company as Haynesworth with that comment. And the name calling is predictable from someone as tough as you are.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't joking. Football players do mean things to each other ALL the time. Didn't Univ of Florida LB B.Spikes poke someone in the eye last year. Players gouge eyes, twist balls, and step on each other.

Michael Irvin had no problem punching Darrell Green in the grill WHILE running routes. Or the ribs. Or simply knocking him down.

Geez Louise, you all don't remember Conrad Dobler, Dan Dierdorf, Bill Romanowski and players like that? Remember, late 80s when the Packers and Bears were really going for it and used to write hit lists about each other on their towels?

What type of football fans are you people?

The world is not Disney, this is rough and tumble sport.

I don't know, I think some of you are too soft.
You all are types that are cheering for the personal foul penalty because someone got hit a step out of bounds. Soft.

Oh, I get it, you all are the types that cheer for personal foul penalties when guys are plucked off of piles. Soft.

Oh, I see, you all cheered when Vernon Davis was kicked out by Singletary for talking trash to the opponent two years ago. Soft.
So to you the QBs shouldn't be hit huh? Soft.
I like the violence of Pro Football that's why I watch.
I love rivarly-do you all remember how the Eagles and Cowboys used to fight in the tunnels?
See, I LOVE Sh&T like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, as I said AH stomping on a Cowboys' head is a virtue. The Cowboys have no mercy for us, remember how J.George was treated by them, being dragged after sacks.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Hess
I just want to remind you about the late Sean Taylor-he was one of those guys, man.

Remember, he spit in Terrell Owens' face and he had no problem tackling with his forearms.
Some dudes are nasty.
Shoot, if #21 could gotten away with a clothesline-he would have done it with a passion.
That's why we loved that joker-he was a mean,nasty young safety!!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


@ArmchairGM

Doesn't make it right to stomp on someones head when they're laying on the ground. Especially when you take off their helmet and stomp on it. And the things you mention happen during a play, not after the whistle blows. C'mon dude. Football has rules and they are broken. You get a penalty. But I think Haynesworth should had been charged with assault if you ask me. Athlete's seem to get a break when it comes to breaking the law.

Posted by: hessone | June 25, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hess- You're right, it shouldn't be done, but it's a rough & tumble contact sport.
Acts such as that are called cheap-shots for a reason, that's why L.Landry already has the nickname Dirty 30. He had Brandon Jacobs, a RB who famously trucked him in the 1st game against the Giants, worried to distraction the second time we played the Giants, remember. Jacobs kept wanting to mix it up after plays and later complained after the game about Landry.

That's why there's what I call Field Justice-namely, if you're the type that steps on heads, pokes eyes and what not-You'll get yours on that field from someone.

Sometimes it's Karmic-Deion Sanders, as we all know, was a irritating,showy,prancing, hot-dogging pain in the butt,a-hole,creep, jerk. I loathed him and still do,with those bright,non-matching suits he wears.
And guess what? Back in, I think it was the early 90s during a game against the Steelers, Deion went up to contest a ball for the Cowboys with the receiver and the safety and fell right on the top of head and laid out on the field while the trainers attended to him.
I laughed and chortled and.....laughed and chortled some more because, you see, I knew the Football Gods were at work evening up the score.
You don't get to be an a-hole on that field w/o paying for it. AH will get his from someone playing for the Cowboys at that time. They'll settle that score. So, I dont' feel any mercy for them, nor will I condemn AH-it's football baby!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | June 25, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rabach, keep your chin strap buckled when Haynesworth lines up against you in practice.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 25, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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