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Redskins are last in red zone offense

Among the Redskins many problems on offense and defense is the fact that they rank last in the NFL in red zone offense.

In nine possessions inside opponents' 20-yard line, the Redskins have scored only 29 points. Their two touchdowns in those nine possessions is an average of 22.2 percent - tied with the Pittsburgh Steelers at the bottom of the NFL.

What does running back Clinton Portis think about Washington's poor performance in this key area?

"We really haven't tried to run the ball in the red zone," Portis said. "When we did, we tried the Houston game, and we came away with two touchdowns. You know, last week, I don't remember trying nothing but one play on goal line.

"There was some miscommunication on that play. Other than that, it's really just penalizing ourselves once we get in the red zone. ... Offsides, delay of game, a holding penalty here. You can't have that."

By Jason Reid  | September 30, 2010; 4:51 PM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis  
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If I recall we ran in the red zone three straight times last week, but never got inside the 5.

I say let Donovan use his feet more. And maybe, oh, get Fred and Devin involved?

Posted by: AdamCr | September 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)

I mean being a skilled offensive/defensive weapon.

Witness:

Austin Collie

Clay Matthews, jr.

Wes Welker

James Laurenitis

Dallas Clark

Jason Witten

Peyton Hillis

Kevin Walter

Dave Ball

Adam Carriker

Jared Allen

Aaron Hernandez

Jeremy Shockey

Dustin Keller

Chris Cooley

Bret Hartline


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

mistamayor

Redskins are last in red zone offense

"Among the Redskins many problems on offense and defense is the fact that they rank last in the NFL in red zone offense."


Shouldn't this outcome be expected when the playcallers attempt missed deep passes on 1st down that are missed and then create 2nd and long, then 3rd a 7, then punt?

It's the playcallin', son.

What about that don't you understand?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Where exactly in Iraq is the red zone?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Among the Redskins many problems on offense and defense is the fact that they rank last in the NFL in red zone offense."


Shouldn't this outcome be expected when the playcallers attempt missed deep passes on 1st down that are missed and then create 2nd and long, then 3rd a 7, then punt?

It's the playcallin', son.

What about that don't you understand?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 5:13 PM

This is a head scratcher. I'm trying to remember the last time they punted in the red zone.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What you never did that in Madden? Just punt it through the uprights?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This is a head scratcher. I'm trying to remember the last time they punted in the red zone.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This is from the alternative universe where Jim Zorn is still the coach. In that universe, during the opening game against Dallas, Hunter Smith audibled into punt formation out of a called Swinging Gate play at the 4 yard line.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

What you never did that in Madden? Just punt it through the uprights?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 5:25 PM |

I've never done it, but I think Jim Zorn may have worked it to perfection -- the ole' swingin' gate punt through the uprights.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

If only the Skins had a tall, strong receiver with good hands who could catch a fade.

Posted by: elfreako | September 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I think this is from 2008...but here ya go...
Down/distance Success Pct. 

Third-and-1 67

Third-and-2 52 

Third-and-3 49 

Third-and-4 47

Third-and-5 42 

Third-and-6 41 

Third-and-7 37

Third-and-8 32 

Third-and-9 32 

Third-and-10+ 20
Posted by: PlayAction

I just did a quick count on the Skins on 3rd down so far this year:

3-6: 0/2

7-10: 5/22

>10: 0/5

What's most relevant -- out of 33 plays on 3rd down, 27 were from 7 yards or more!!!

I counted 5 times the Skins made life harder on 3rd down via a penalty:

3rd and 1 to 3rd and 6

3rd and 3 to 3rd and 13

3rd and 4 to 3rd and 9

3rd and 7 to 3rd and 12

3rd and 20 to 3rd and 30

We got 1 3rd down conversion via a penalty

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Is Clinton serious?

On our two TDs in the red zone -

#1 - 10 yard pass to 1 yard line. We ran it in from the 1.

#2 - 62 yard pass to 1 yard line. We ran it in from the 1.

That's HARDLY running being the solution.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

ack!!! missed a line

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Is Clinton serious?

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 30, 2010 5:37 PM

Clinton is serious. He's had a few concussions and he has a falling-down problem. This is what you get when he's serious.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

ack!!! missed a line

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 5:38 PM

You doin' drugs?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

No real running game makes it nice and cozy from the twenty in for the defensive backfield.."Here, honey, I'm your escort for this evening.."

Posted by: frak | September 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Drugs are bad, mmmmmmm-kay.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse


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hessone


Posted by: hessone | September 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

We have to pick out thw worst problems from a long list of problems just to stay focused!

Zorn-a-Han!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Too often during the first 3 games, the skins were 3rd and 4 or 3rd and 7, etc, and the ball would be thrown 20-25 yards down the field resulting in an incompletion. It would be wise to have a high percentage play to get the 1st down to keep the drive going.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | September 30, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse


Zorn-a-Han!
Shan-a-Horn!

Posted by: hessone | September 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse


It would be wise to have a high percentage play to get the 1st down to keep the drive going.

kingpenn1, that would be the logical approach.

Posted by: hessone | September 30, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

kingpenn1, that would be the logical approach.

Posted by: hessone | September 30, 2010 6:08 PM
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I have faith in Shanahan but his actions are not very logical so far...not playing DT and not dropping the ego trip in order to get Haynesworth on the field. He should also give Banks at least one game to see what he can do on PR/KR

Posted by: kingpenn1 | September 30, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 5:50 PM

mkay.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 30, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

It's because the best receivers on the team are short. Which is fine for the other 80% of the field. But short receivers make it really hard to throw a fade pass, which frees up the defense to worry about something else.

Portis didn't say this because he's taking enough risk by complaining about play calling, but there's no way he'd blame his teammates.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | September 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Did Legarette Blount get cut or is he on someone's practice squad? He'd be a good red-zone power back - or at least would be better than anybody currently on the roster. Go get him Bruce.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 30, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Torain is not elusive at all, it takes him forever to make a cut, he almost comes to a complete stop before he changes direction, giving defenders time to close in. He runs akward, not athletic at all.

He is another Betts, only worse, he needs perfect blocking because he doesn't have the vision to see other lanes. This team needs a Chirs Johnson, CJ Spiller, Javhid Best type back, and you only get them in the draft. Whatever we have now, are only band-aids, there are no athletic fast home run type backs on this team, that of course includes Portis, who quicker than last year, is unfortunately in decline.

Can we stop all this BS and put DT on the field? Design specific plays and routes for him since he is supposedly so dumb. Is he that dumb that he doesn't know how to run a go, which is a straight line? A simple slant? The guy knew enough about route running and catching to make it to this level. I don't understant this crap with ShanaMan, this team needs all the youth, speed, and athleticism it can get on the field.

Who in the hell are we going to beat with Grandpa Galloway, and something called Roydell Williams?

When is the last time this team had a dynamic game changer who could take it to the house from anywhere on the field? On offense or special teams? Somebody who was exciting and fun to watch? Who? When?

It has been so long I can't even remember.

What is the purpose of BBanks making the final 53, being released, being resigned if he's not going to be used? This will be the fourth game of the year and he hasn't seen any action at all. Let him return a punt for crying out loud. Bucchanon hasn't done anything, hell he's worse than ARE.
At least ARE would attempt to run some back, although he just danced from side to side. I haven't seen Bucchanon attempt to run 1 back, he just fair catches or lets it hit the ground. A joke!!

We fans want something and somebody who can help us win AND ENTERTAIN US and make it FUN to watch.

As Maximus asked the crowd in "Gladiator"; "are you not entertained"? We Redskins fans yell a resounding HELL NO!! And we're sick of it, I know I am.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 30, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 30, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Anybody see rhino got signed to the jets practice squad?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 30, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

...and ganther got released, oh happy day!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 30, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, I didn't miss a line ... WaPO won't take an entry for a line that begins with a 'less than' sign.

less than 3 yards on 3rd down -- Skins are 1/4

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I heard the Skinnies are practicing the drop kick.

Posted by: jnsbear | September 30, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I don;t know why CP is complaining; after all if he doesn't get the ball then it's a safe bet he won't fumble it...right?


Anywho, I'm thinking that the Rams defense may actually be a little bit legit. They are only surrendering 16 pts/game which puts them 9th in the league. They lead the league in forcing fumbles (12) and are tied for first in recovering them (5). They are 9th in opponent's QB passer rating.

Does that make our loss feel any better?

No.

Posted by: p1funk | September 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Did Legarette Blount get cut or is he on someone's practice squad? He'd be a good red-zone power back - or at least would be better than anybody currently on the roster. Go get him Bruce.

Posted by: coparker5 | September 30, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse


Blount is on the Bucs. He may take over as their starter.

If you say he's on the practice squad within earshot, he may cold-cock you in the mouth.

Posted by: p1funk | September 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NFL_team_rosters

Shows practice squads of every team. Gotta be something we could use out there, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 30, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Is Clinton serious?

On our two TDs in the red zone -

#1 - 10 yard pass to 1 yard line. We ran it in from the 1.

#2 - 62 yard pass to 1 yard line. We ran it in from the 1.

That's HARDLY running being the solution.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse


Of course he's serious; don't you see his point?

Once the team gets the ball to the 1 yard line; he's the perfect back to fall forward for a yard and get the TD.

...unless it's against the Rams...

Posted by: p1funk | September 30, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Anywho, I'm thinking that the Rams defense may actually be a little bit legit. They are only surrendering 16 pts/game which puts them 9th in the league. They lead the league in forcing fumbles (12) and are tied for first in recovering them (5). They are 9th in opponent's QB passer rating.

Does that make our loss feel any better?

No.

Posted by: p1funk

Its called great defensive coaching with a bunch of no names (excluding OJ and Long). That's what Spags is know for. Imagine that, putting together a great scheme to maximize the talent you have.

And no, it actually makes me feel worse.

Posted by: dcwun | September 30, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

OK, I didn't miss a line ... WaPO won't take an entry for a line that begins with a 'less than' sign.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 6:39 PM


The blogware reads a less-than sign as an open bracket for html code.

Posted by: freakzilla | September 30, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I found our goal line solution - after watching Fat Albert roll head over heels on a block in the Rams game (it was a truly delicious play by the rams defender), we could make Fat Albert our bowling ball from the one.

Only problem with this new play is whether Fat Albert has enough energy to be able to hold onto the ball - perhaps we could convince him its a pizza.

Posted by: laserwizard | September 30, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

My .02 on Clinton...

He left a few yards on the field. Fred Davis didn't give 100% on a FG and his man blocked it. JG didn't really stretch for a bomb that would have scored. Our pass D gives up 500 yards throught the air. Heyer gets a couple false starts, at least one of them on 3rd down. Moss coughs it up while fighting for a few more yards. Gano misses a kick after getting iced...from 52 yards out. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.

What do all of these things have in common? They're all things bad to mediocre teams do, usually during a losing effort.

Arguably none of them by themselves are the "play that lost the game". Collectively they represent things that good winning teams don't do and need to be corrected.

All of them, including having your FRICKIN TAILBACK run as hard as he can, no exceptions. If he's too injured to do that, sit him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

For those who aren't completely phobic about stats, the adjusted numbers at footballoutsiders give some props to McNabb. Their method is to measure the QB's performance versus replacement, then adjust for opponent and situation, to yield two numbers: overall value in relation to other QBs, and the player's value per play. After the first 3 games, McNabb ranks 10th in both categories, ahead (curiously) of both Schaub and Vick, and way ahead of Bradford. Peyton leads with Brady, Rodgers, and Brees in the top 6, along with (surprise) Kyle Orton and Tony Romo.

Jason Campbell is next to last among the QBs.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 30, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Mike Spurrierhan is such an idiot not to play Devin Thomas.

Oh so he can't get on the field because he doesn't practice better than Galloway or Armstrong? How was Larry Johnson practicing? How was he performing in the game?

Shanaplan is failing due to his ego. UFB!

So Jim Zorn can get some use out of Devin, but Genius Shanahan can't?

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

For those who aren't completely phobic about stats, the adjusted numbers at footballoutsiders give some props to McNabb. Their method is to measure the QB's performance versus replacement, then adjust for opponent and situation, to yield two numbers: overall value in relation to other QBs, and the player's value per play. After the first 3 games, McNabb ranks 10th in both categories, ahead (curiously) of both Schaub and Vick, and way ahead of Bradford. Peyton leads with Brady, Rodgers, and Brees in the top 6, along with (surprise) Kyle Orton and Tony Romo.

Jason Campbell is next to last among the QBs.Posted by: Samson151 | September 30

Right Hater, just wait til Jason leads a team to a Superbowl. Gibbs knew how to pick QB's. McSoup will never win one, especially in DC. One year rental!!!

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

What the F is your point? Jeez.. Please, someone take out the WHITE TRASH!!

Posted by: iubiquity | September 30, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

So Jim Zorn can get some use out of Devin, but Genius Shanahan can't?

Posted by: pabrian2008

WTF man? I'm agreeing with you twice in a week......

Posted by: dcwun | September 30, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Right Hater, just wait til Jason leads a team to a Superbowl. Gibbs knew how to pick QB's. McSoup will never win one, especially in DC. One year rental!!!

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 7:57 PM
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Dude, you need to let the Campbell thing go. The guy is sitting on the bench for a team that isn't very good. He's headed the route of Patrick Ramsey, Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels as former Redskins QB's who became NFL nomads.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 30, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

No Redskinface,

I had to sit and here and listen to everybody criticize a strength on the team.

So eat it hater!

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Justin Tryon is better than Phillip Buchanon, who btw can't return punts any better than our 2nd best receiver ARE last year.

Looking at the output of our #2WR carousel, we should have kept ARE

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Bucchanon = NERD!

WE WANT BARNES!

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

we should have kept ARE

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

If we had used him CORRECTLY in the slot, we would have gotten some use out of him!

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

What the F is your point? Jeez.. Please, someone take out the WHITE TRASH!!

Posted by: iubiquity | September 30, 2010 7:57 PM

Uh, Moe's black retard.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

BARNES = BANKS

My bad, I shoulda known Maryland players can't return punts.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

So what did I cover in ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES ... YESTERDAY? I surely covered red zone and 3rd down.

Here it is:

It was argued that McNabb would be the veteran difference maker, the guy that does the 3 things you pay a premium QB to do: 3rd down, 4th quarter and red zone. The Skins only TD came from outside the red zone. Inside the red zone, we netted 3 FGs. Third down? 1 for 10. Fourth quarter, ZERO.


So what do the RI bloggers cover TODAY?

Entry: Redskins are last in red zone offense
Entry: Portis on why the Redskins can't convert on third down

It appears RI is still missing a piece of 4th quarter scoring ...

I'll repost the whole thing in a few minutes for those who missed it earlier in the week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"This is a head scratcher. I'm trying to remember the last time they punted in the red zone."


Everybody is allowed a temporary moment of stupidity.

Thanks for showcasing mine.

But getting back to the playcallin' point, consider this unique perspective:

from, zceszcest

I just did a quick count on the Skins on 3rd down so far this year...What's most relevant -- out of 33 plays on 3rd down, 27 were from 7 yards or more.


That's more like what I was thinking about--the redskin aren't doing well on 1st down on a consistent enough basis to maintain drives.

This is happening all over the field.

And it is just magnified in the red zone.

Plus, in the 3rd quarter with leads, we're punting a lot and giving opponents more chances to come back against us.

And folks blame the defense for 'collapsing' when we all know the best offense keeps the ball away from the other team once you get a lead late in games.

We need to use a short passing, ball control-style offense in lieu of a running attack in order to help the D, and get 2nd an 4/6.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll repost the whole thing in a few minutes for those who missed it earlier in the week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I expect nothing less from KING OF THE NERDS!

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

What the F is your point? Jeez.. Please, someone take out the WHITE TRASH!!

Posted by: iubiquity | September 30, 2010 7:57 PM

Oh I get it. You thought that only a white person would post a list of good white players. I believe that makes you a rascist. Hoisted on your own petard. What an absolute jack ass.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by the great people at Yahoo!

I WAS looking forward to writing a forward-looking column about the Skins vs philly and glossing over a W over the Rams. But an L to the Rams can’t be glossed over.

Statistically, the game was even. Turnovers, penalties and kick returns were even. They blocked a punt, we blocked a FG. On yds/pass attempt and yds/carry, we did better. Torain had a 36yd run, Portis a 27yd run, McNabb a 26yd run. Moss had a 56 yard catch. 4 plays of over 25 yards – but none led to a TD.

Big plays and averages may look good, but the Rams ran 25 more plays than we did because they made the modest plays. The Rams had only 2 plays over 20 yards, yet scored 6 times. Until the game’s final (and meaningless) drive, the Skins had only 1 play in the 2nd half that gained between 4 and 10. During the game, prior to the final drive, the Rams had 17 of these modest plays, the Skins just 9. We had 3 big runs, 13 other runs netted 2 yds/carry.

In the offseason, Skins mgmt had a plan and made 3 key decisions. #1: win now with veterans. #2: a 3-4 defense. #3: deal with Albert on our terms. Team Prez M. Shanahan made the calls and gave HC M. Shanahan the responsibility to make it work.

We followed the plan.

We got older. Veteran teams make fewer mistakes, play with poise and find ways to win.

We installed a 3-4 defense to confuse the QBs and force lots of mistakes.

We confronted Albert, to make an example of what happens when you cross MS.

None of that worked on Sunday.

It was argued that McNabb would be the veteran difference maker, the guy that does the 3 things you pay a premium QB to do: 3rd down, 4th quarter and red zone. The Skins only TD came from outside the red zone. Inside the red zone, we netted 3 FGs. Third down? 1 for 10. Fourth quarter, ZERO.

The big play 3-4 defense? It has created QB pressure, but it’s also been full of holes, and those holes showed up in a major way. A QB with 2 NFL games under his belt was able to pick through it more than adequately.

The 3rd issue, the confrontation with Albert, could have been managed in many different ways and who knows if any of them would have gotten a better result. What is clear is that the league most dominant D lineman in 2008 has little impact – or trade value -- in 2010.

A veteran team with a clutch leader, a defense forcing mistakes led by a DL beast? Hardly. We’ve been outscored 22-3 in the 4th quarter (and OT) and 46-13 after halftime.

Win now, use the 3-4, confront Albert. Each decision is defendable. Each played major roles in the losses vs the Texans and StL. Under different circumstances, the coach and the team president might find themselves at each other’s throats. That won’t happen here. But if things don’t change soon, it will be obvious who the finger will be pointed at.

And that is a wrap on this week’s ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE

I also noticed that noone is criticizing McSoup for not pulling off a come from behind 4th quater comeback.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

What the F is your point?


My point was to shine a light on a trend in the league that is, well, kinda cool: white athletes succeeding where the stereotype holds that they can't, is all.

I'm sorry for trying to be positive.

But are you sorry for having parents who couldn't pull together the nerve and money for an abortion in the months after you were conceived?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

We need to use a short passing, ball control-style offense in lieu of a running attack in order to help the D, and get 2nd an 4/6.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

What we need is a possession reciever that can make the tough catch when we need it. I thought Anthony Armstrong would be that guy during the preseason, then he sucked against Dallas and dropped a few. Then he made a couple nice catches to get my hopes up against Houston, but then he was non-existant against St. Louis. It would be nice if he'd be consistent and show something so I can at least say he'd be worth a roster spot.
Now that I think about it, we could really use a guy with size, at least 6'2", with speed, maybe in his 3rd year, to step up and come around. Can anyone suggest someone......

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

What the F is your point?

My point was to shine a light on a trend in the league that is, well, kinda cool: white athletes succeeding where the stereotype holds that they can't, is all.

I'm sorry for trying to be positive.

But are you sorry for having parents who couldn't pull together the nerve and money for an abortion in the months after you were conceived?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 8:39 PM |

I'm pretty sure they had the nerve. It's pretty obvious to me that the coat hangar hit something. The money part must've been the issue.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong... was non-existant against St. Louis. It would be nice if he'd be consistent and show something so I can at least say he'd be worth a roster spot.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Kinda hard to catch a ball while inactive, just sayin. I'm still open minded about him, but don't expect too much.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong... was non-existant against St. Louis. It would be nice if he'd be consistent and show something so I can at least say he'd be worth a roster spot.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Kinda hard to catch a ball while inactive, just sayin. I'm still open minded about him, but don't expect too much.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 8:46 PM |

I still think he will be our best receiver outside of Santana.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Armstrong... was non-existant against St. Louis. It would be nice if he'd be consistent and show something so I can at least say he'd be worth a roster spot.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Kinda hard to catch a ball while inactive, just sayin. I'm still open minded about him, but don't expect too much.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 8:46 PM

Romo--Monk appears out of it because he didn't actually watch the game. During Sunday in his monastery they spend most of their day in worship except when they're eating and drinking Benedictine and Brandy. I think he also missed the replay on ESPN which was while he was attending vespers.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

See, that's why a few swift punches to the stomach is more reliable than the coat hanger method.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

imposter! But he/she's making a good arguement.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

imposter! But he/she's making a good arguement.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Damn, we got 2 of you guys to deal with now? How many McSoups can we hear about in a day?

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Damn, we got 2 of you guys to deal with now? How many McSoups can we hear about in a day?

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:02 PM

It's like the blind leading the incredibly stupid.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2008

That's funny...I actually thought it was the real pabrain. You nailed everything, right down to his asinine comments.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I still think he will be our best receiver outside of Santana.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope so, for our sake.

I'm still waiting for the vaunted 2 TE set to take hold, and for Davis to have his first big day. I have to admit it's a good point: Zorn can get production out of Davis and Thomas but Shanny can't? I know DT didn't do all that much, but Davis looked straight beast for a minute.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

By Rich Tandler
Redskins Blogger
CSNwashington.com

Saving Portis
Theories attempting to explain the disappearance of Clinton Portis from the Redskins’ lineup in the second half of the loss to the Rams abound. That’s in part because the team has given out multiple explanations. On Sunday, Mike Shanahan indicated that playing Ryan Torain more and Portis less was part of the game plan. Then on Monday, Shanahan said that Portis had a hand injury.

There is a lot of intrigue surrounding the situation now, with Portis saying on his weekly radio appearance on 106.7 The Fan in Washington on Tuesday that he doesn’t know what his role is.

People are over thinking all of this. The truth may be very simple. Shanahan may be saving Portis for later in the season.

The 2008 season was Portis’ last solid season. He rushed for 1,487 yards in 342 carries and went to the Pro Bowl.

But when you look at the numbers you can see that ‘08 was really two different seasons for Portis. In the first eight games, he racked up 944 yards on 187 carries, a strong average of 5.0 yards a pop. Portis finished off the first half of the season with five straight games with at least 100 rushing yards and the letters “MVP” were being used in conjunction with his name.

All of that talk faded in the last half of that season. In the final eight games, Portis carried 155 times for 543 yards, an average of 3.5 yards per attempt. He had just one game with over 100 yards on the ground. There was no injury noted other than the bumps and bruises that come with being an NFL running back.

Shanahan may be trying to minimize the cumulative effect of those bumps and bruises and limit his carries, much like a baseball manager will put pitchers on a pitch count. Shanahan may be looking to spread Portis’ carries over the course of 16 games and not burn him out midway through the season.

Going into the Rams game, Portis was on pace to carry 248 times this year. That may be too many for him to remain effective. Now, he is on a 203-carry pace, a clip that is more manageable.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Romo--Monk appears out of it because he didn't actually watch the game. During Sunday in his monastery they spend most of their day in worship except when they're eating and drinking Benedictine and Brandy. I think he also missed the replay on ESPN which was while he was attending vespers.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

True, I didn't pay attention to the inactive list, so I wondered why he was non-existent.
My monistery only had Bud for the game, so get it right.
I did watch the game, sadly, but that's beside the point.
Even more sadly, I did see the replay. Why, I don't know.
But the argument is still valid, AA hopefully will see the field enough to show something, and DT will hopefully see the field at some point (practice squad field will suffice for now).

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Redskins notes and analysis 9/30/10
By: John Keim

1. Sounds like Josh Bidwell will punt Sunday, which is a bit stunning. After hurting his hip in warm-ups last week and being carried from the field, it was hard to imagine him punting a week later. Yet coach Mike Shanahan said he would be. Said he punted on the turf early Thursday and looked fine.

2. Left tackle Trent Williams said he’s still uncertain about his status. He did participate in the Redskins’ walk-through (more on that in a minute) and said he expects to play. However, “I expected to play last week also, so that’s not saying too much,” he said.

3. Williams said his toe still bothers him and because he puts more pressure on that than his knee when he sets, that’s the bigger issue. Don’t know if he was limping today, but he definitely was Wednesday. We’ll see if he can work in full Friday. If not, can’t imagine that he plays. But that’s just a guess.

4. Defensive lineman Anthony Bryant still hasn’t been cleared from his concussion and it’s highly unlikely that he’ll be ready Sunday. Not that he would be active anyway.

5. Corner DeAngelo Hall didn’t do a lot in the walk-through, but Shanahan said he’s fine. So that’s that.

6. The Redskins had to rent a hangar at Dulles Airport to conduct their walk-through. With heavy rains today, the fields would have been a mess. Yes, the Redskins are in the minority with no indoor facility. Joe Gibbs never wanted one, but the other reality is that the fields they have now are built on a flood plain. But I wouldn’t be surprised if one gets built within a few years.

7. Yes, Clinton Portis will start Sunday. Not sure that was ever really in doubt. But will Ryan Torain continue to get more carries? That will be interesting to watch. I wasn’t all that impressed with him this summer; thought he was OK, nothing special. His 36-yard run was nice, but the hole was huge. To get a good feel on the kid, you’d need to give him a lot more carries. Can he move the pile? How is his vision? How does he press the hole? This summer I thought he ran way too upright through the hole. But let’s see how he develops.

8. Anyway, back to Portis. He said he doesn’t regret taking the intentional fall. “If I had the chance to do it again, I would do the same thing with five people around me,” he said. “Maybe I could have picked up four more yards. Four more yards I don’t’ think is going to determine the outcome of that game.”

9. And he hasn’t lost confidence in himself. “I consider myself the feature back,” he said, “one of the best backs, and I’m gonna always feel that way. For myself, I don’t think anything has changed. Sunday just didn’t work.”

10. I’d tell you what Torain said, but, really, he doesn’t say a whole lot. He’s polite, seems like a good guy. Says nothing. At all. Ever.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

hilarious! props to whoever is peabrain2008, you nailed his message, misspells, syntax, asinine viewpoints (except that one good one I referenced above, which was actually yours, I guess), everything. Well done.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

11. Shanahan loves trotting out how the Redskins’ average gain on first down is 7.49 yards, tops in the NFL. Darn good number, no doubt. But it is no indicator of consistent success on first down and to be a good offense, that’s a necessity. Rather, that figure was built by a number of explosive plays. The Redskins have had seven pass plays of 20 yards or more on first down; and 20 of at least 10 yards. That shows how aggressive they’ve been trying to get downfield.

12. Donovan McNabb has completed 31 of 43 passes on first down for 474 yards and two touchdowns. Clearly the passing game is clicking on this down (as opposed to third where it’s failing).

13. However, the run game is way too inconsistent and it’s why drives aren’t sustained. Against Dallas, the Redskins rushed nine times for eight yards; vs. Houston, it was 13 for 49 yards (including one for 18 yards) and vs. St. Louis it was eight for 57. So in three games they’ve gained 114 yards on 30 first-down runs.

14. Problem is, of those 114 yards, 54 have come on two runs. That means their other 28 carries have managed 60 yards. Which means the Redskins are in second and long way too often. Or, just as bad, third and long.


Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Justin Tryon is better than Phillip Buchanon, who btw can't return punts any better than our 2nd best receiver ARE last year.

Looking at the output of our #2WR carousel, we should have kept ARE

Posted by: pabrian2008

OK...

Now you trippin' a bit. Buchanon and ARE suck!

Posted by: dcwun | September 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I just won the pissing contest here on the blog.

I'm receiving the proverbial Haterade shower

Posted by: pabrian2008 | September 30, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

1. Sounds like Josh Bidwell will punt Sunday, which is a bit stunning. After hurting his hip in warm-ups last week and being carried from the field, it was hard to imagine him punting a week later. Yet coach Mike Shanahan said he would be. Said he punted on the turf early Thursday and looked fine.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Well, now I know why we didn't sign Hunter the Punter. Way to pick up on this and let us loyal fans know RI Reporters. Hey Diesel, you need a job?

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)

I mean being a skilled offensive/defensive weapon.

Witness:

Austin Collie

Clay Matthews, jr.

Wes Welker

James Laurenitis

Dallas Clark

Jason Witten

Peyton Hillis

Kevin Walter

Dave Ball

Adam Carriker

Jared Allen

Aaron Hernandez

Jeremy Shockey

Dustin Keller

Chris Cooley

Bret Hartline


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Honestly are you retarded? First what does that president remark have to do with anything. Everybody gets four years at first and unless they are as useless as GHW Bush they usually get reelected as Obama surely will judging by the competition. Second, that list also makes no sense. Hernandez is a hispanic TE, just like the greatest TE of all time Tony G. Actually most great TE's aren't black so that's dumb. Laurinitis plays the same position that Romo, Greene and countless other white guys have dominated. The only sensible points were the WR's, but this is nothing new either. Largent was the greatest receiver of all time at one point about 25 years ago. And then you had several players who aren't even very good on your list. Don't comment if you're this stupid. Go watch some Glenn Beck to get your race baiting fix.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel, you need a job?

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:18 PM

Hardly. He just got promoted to late night manager of the McDonald's in Wheaton. He won't be posting up here between midnight and 8 AM.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)

I mean being a skilled offensive/defensive weapon.

Witness:

Austin Collie

Clay Matthews, jr.

Wes Welker

James Laurenitis

Dallas Clark

Jason Witten

Peyton Hillis

Kevin Walter

Dave Ball

Adam Carriker

Jared Allen

Aaron Hernandez

Jeremy Shockey

Dustin Keller

Chris Cooley

Bret Hartline


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | September 30, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Honestly are you retarded? First what does that president remark have to do with anything. Everybody gets four years at first and unless they are as useless as GHW Bush they usually get reelected as Obama surely will judging by the competition. Second, that list also makes no sense. Hernandez is a hispanic TE, just like the greatest TE of all time Tony G. Actually most great TE's aren't black so that's dumb. Laurinitis plays the same position that Romo, Greene and countless other white guys have dominated. The only sensible points were the WR's, but this is nothing new either. Largent was the greatest receiver of all time at one point about 25 years ago. And then you had several players who aren't even very good on your list. Don't comment if you're this stupid. Go watch some Glenn Beck to get your race baiting fix.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Honestly are you retarded?

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:25 PM |

Big Boss Man, The way we usually identify the retarded guys up here is that they make double posts.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2008

spurrier-han? That's a good one

I'm tired of all the attention, so I'm going to be an RI sheep:

I hate Portis, ba ahahah
I hate Haynesworth, ba ahahah
McNabb is awesome, ba ahahah
Shanna-zo..wait shannahan is genius, ba ahah

peaBrain2008 is an idiot and we don't want you up here, ba ahahah.

let's see what else?

brandon banks awesome ba ahahah
3-4 great, ba ahahah
DT dumb, ba ahahah
Haynesworth cancer Kemo cure ba ahahah

love me daddy, wahwah

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

monk- I can cut and paste with the best of em but I wouldn't be interested in taking a pay cut.

Are you a Carthusian monk or a Buddhist monk?

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe

dustin keller?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Honestly are you retarded? First what does that president remark have to do with anything. Everybody gets four years at first and unless they are as useless as GHW Bush they usually get reelected as Obama surely will judging by the competition. Second, that list also makes no sense. Hernandez is a hispanic TE, just like the greatest TE of all time Tony G. Actually most great TE's aren't black so that's dumb. Laurinitis plays the same position that Romo, Greene and countless other white guys have dominated. The only sensible points were the WR's, but this is nothing new either. Largent was the greatest receiver of all time at one point about 25 years ago. And then you had several players who aren't even very good on your list. Don't comment if you're this stupid. Go watch some Glenn Beck to get your race baiting fix.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM

Another jack ass showing his true rascist colors. How about you shut your retarded trap until you actually understand what is happening around you. As a matter of fact, why don't you go shoot yourself in the face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Everybody gets four years at first and unless they are as useless as GHW Bush they usually get reelected

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM

...or Jimmy Carter...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Are you a Carthusian monk or a Buddhist monk?

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:30 PM

He said he only has Bud in the monastery. He's from a German order: Anheuser-Busch.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Honestly are you retarded?

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:23 PM

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:25 PM |

Big Boss Man, The way we usually identify the retarded guys up here is that they make double posts.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious... Its the storm of the century out there so excuuuuuse me for having some technical difficulties. That guys is still too dumb to be in such a prestigious place.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Was so wishing beeps had one Chartreuse too many and double-posted on that last one...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

monk- I can cut and paste with the best of em but I wouldn't be interested in taking a pay cut.

Are you a Carthusian monk or a Buddhist monk?

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm studying at at special Monk school for the Arts. It's called Art Monk.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm studying at at special Monk school for the Arts. It's called Art Monk.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:37 PM |

Man I should have realized that when I saw the 811 behind your name. I feel so stupid. Do you think the Redskins will retire his number -- 811 -- now that he's in the HOF?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep- don't be late again. 1:00 am means 1:00 am, not 1:05 and please stop eating all of the apple pies. Your pants were also on backwards again but we'll save that for another day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Another jack ass showing his true rascist colors. How about you shut your retarded trap until you actually understand what is happening around you. As a matter of fact, why don't you go shoot yourself in the face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm white. I'm just saying that list makes no sense. Football has never been dominated by black people so why is he trying to grasp on to a few random crappy players in some kind of attempt to show how the white man is overcoming or something. Their is no racial divide in football except at CB and to a lesser degree, WR. Its a random stupid list and it made me mad to read such idiocy in a forum for Redskins. I can't even make sense of the presidential comment or what it means.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Was so wishing beeps had one Chartreuse too many and double-posted on that last one...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 9:35 PM

I wish I had one too many, too. Why don't you send me a bottle?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Real funny beep, I'll have to tell that to my fellow Monk Artists over a few Bud, apparently in Germany!
By the way, 811 is for his number 81, and I think I'm his number 1 fan, so 811. That's what I tell myself anyway, the truth is I typed in monk81 and I think my finger hit another 1 when I hit enter. I've cut back on the Bud at the monastery since.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,
Looking through all of your be-a-tchy and whiney posts here tonight and I have just one thing to say:

Midol

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 30, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm white. I'm just saying that list makes no sense. Football has never been dominated by black people so why is he trying to grasp on to a few random crappy players in some kind of attempt to show how the white man is overcoming or something. Their is no racial divide in football except at CB and to a lesser degree, WR. Its a random stupid list and it made me mad to read such idiocy in a forum for Redskins. I can't even make sense of the presidential comment or what it means.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM |

Moe isn't white and doesn't typically post stuff to aggitate. Most of is up here are familiar with each other and each others motives. I would say that Moe may have been attempting something more closely resembling humor than race baiting. I'll take back the "shoot yourself in the face comment" because it was uncalled for but I would say be a little less uptight when dealing with us fools up here...we're mere mortals.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep- don't be late again. 1:00 am means 1:00 am, not 1:05 and please stop eating all of the apple pies. Your pants were also on backwards again but we'll save that for another day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:42 PM

Take this job and shove it. I got a better deal from the Pizza Hut, plus it includes a company bicycle.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I wish I had one too many, too. Why don't you send me a bottle?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Sure, just need to ask my elderly next-door neighbor were he got his. It'll be there by Saturday morning, just move those doily lace curtains aside and keep a lookout for the postman.

Actually, I'd send you something a hell of a lot better than that. Tried it a couple of years ago. I'd rather drink the Duke flavored kool-aid than that stuff.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 30, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Real funny beep, I'll have to tell that to my fellow Monk Artists over a few Bud, apparently in Germany!
By the way, 811 is for his number 81, and I think I'm his number 1 fan, so 811. That's what I tell myself anyway, the truth is I typed in monk81 and I think my finger hit another 1 when I hit enter. I've cut back on the Bud at the monastery since.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM

Lighten up Francis...Moe was just trying to create a little dialogue.

And Brian Davis, Jason Sehorn, and Martin Mayhew would like a few words with you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Moe isn't white and doesn't typically post stuff to aggitate. Most of is up here are familiar with each other and each others motives. I would say that Moe may have been attempting something more closely resembling humor than race baiting. I'll take back the "shoot yourself in the face comment" because it was uncalled for but I would say be a little less uptight when dealing with us fools up here...we're mere mortals.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. I guess we're all Redskins fans. I usually just read the posts and comments and move one but something about that one irked me and its flooding out there and I have nothing better to do than this. I'm sure the Redskins felt just as angry about this rain while they were doing pansy drills today. Meanwhile the Iggles were going full speed because their owner cares enough to give them an indoor practice facility. Thanks again Snyder for all your great work.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious... Its the storm of the century out there so excuuuuuse me for having some technical difficulties.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:35 PM

Try taking your computer inside. That might help.

Same suggestion to you, too, monk811.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Snyder = Cheap Billionare NERD

Isn't that an oxymoron? Nope, he's just a moron.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Same suggestion to you, too, monk811.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Dually noted. I'll mention that to the head Monk when he sobers up tomorrow.

Posted by: monk811 | September 30, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile the Iggles were going full speed because their owner cares enough to give them an indoor practice facility. Thanks again Snyder for all your great work.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM |

Snyder believes in incentives. They give him a Lombardi, and he gives them an indoor facility.

Vince Lombardi never let his teams practice in no indoor facility.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Jerrell Powe – NT 6'2 330– Mississippi

As more and more teams switch to the 3-4 defense, the value of nose tackles is starting to skyrocket. Players such as Powe figure to see their stock rise far higher than similar players in years past. He’s a physical presence on the interior line, capable of taking on multiple blockers and anchoring a defensive line.
NFL Comparison: Vince Wilfork

Haslett has made the comparison of playing a 3-4 without a legit NT is like playing baseball without a catcher. So I know it's early but this guy could be available in the 2nd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,
Looking through all of your be-a-tchy and whiney posts here tonight and I have just one thing to say:

Midol

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 30, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

1. only some of those are my beatchy comments, I'm not pabrian2008 (that guy's an idiot)

and B. eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, burn

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,
Looking through all of your be-a-tchy and whiney posts here tonight and I have just one thing to say:

Midol

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 30, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

1. only some of those are my beatchy comments, I'm not pabrian2008 (that guy's an idiot)

and B. eewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, burn

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 30, 2010 10:16 PM

RSH- Not sure Midol has an indication for a sandy vagina.

pabrain- "that guy's an idiot"...too funny. 1 then 2, A and then B, never is it 1 then B.

You continue to add to your legacy.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The Post writers should be told to never talk to Portis again, he's a walking ass talker, makes no sense and cant complete sentences for chit. I'd rather they make up some BS than interview him ever again.It's bad enough were not where we thought we'd be yet since we finally dumped loser cerrato but to listen to CP makes it 5 times worse. just stop please.

Posted by: bigfuff | September 30, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:43 PM

Lighten up Francis...Moe was just trying to create a little dialogue.

And Brian Davis, Jason Sehorn, and Martin Mayhew would like a few words with you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report Abuse

DICK LEBEAU!!!

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 30, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather they make up some BS than interview him ever again.

Posted by: bigfuff | September 30, 2010 10:35 PM |

Sounds like you're asking for another Albert Haynesworth post. Don't worry, you won't have to wait long.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Moe isn't white and doesn't typically post stuff to aggitate. Most of is up here are familiar with each other and each others motives. I would say that Moe may have been attempting something more closely resembling humor than race baiting. I'll take back the "shoot yourself in the face comment" because it was uncalled for but I would say be a little less uptight when dealing with us fools up here...we're mere mortals.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. I guess we're all Redskins fans. I usually just read the posts and comments and move one but something about that one irked me and its flooding out there and I have nothing better to do than this. I'm sure the Redskins felt just as angry about this rain while they were doing pansy drills today. Meanwhile the Iggles were going full speed because their owner cares enough to give them an indoor practice facility. Thanks again Snyder for all your great work.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM |

If it makes you feel any better I'm a giant hypocrit for telling you to be a little less uptight. Although I have been taking my own advice since the season started.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

If it makes you feel any better I'm a giant hypocrit for telling you to be a little less uptight. Although I have been taking my own advice since the season started.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 10:39 PM |

Also, if it helps, you can call him ass hole. He doesn't mind that, at all. Watch. Hey, scampy, you're an ass hole.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Also, if it helps, you can call him ass hole. He doesn't mind that, at all. Watch. Hey, scampy, you're an ass hole.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 30, 2010 10:56 PM

I've been called worse things by better people. Anyway, you're not a lefty so that really hurts...ok I'm over it. Thanks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to dedicate this song to Mike Vick. F U, you "paid" your dues but I hope that LL30 puts you down this Sunday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtbuUlSGXzc&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 1, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

great old Soundgarden pull there d. He did some pretty interesting covers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 1, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Keim: "11. Shanahan loves trotting out how the Redskins’ average gain on first down is 7.49 yards, tops in the NFL. Darn good number, no doubt. But it is no indicator of consistent success on first down and to be a good offense, that’s a necessity. Rather, that figure was built by a number of explosive plays. The Redskins have had seven pass plays of 20 yards or more on first down; and 20 of at least 10 yards. That shows how aggressive they’ve been trying to get downfield."

A strange argument. Of course every club would like to get 8 yards on the vast majority of first down plays, but none of them do. To average a glossy number like 7.5, a team invariably relies on a bunch of 10-20 yard gains. Has to be to offset the inevitable stuffed run, botched play, or incompletion.

Shanahan's correct in his evaluation of this stat as a sign that something is going right with his offense.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 1, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

If a QB completes, say, 60% of his throws on first down, that means the remaining 40% gained a grand total of zero yards. To get your yds per play up to 7, quite a few of those completions had to be above 10 yards.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 1, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

scamp- he does. He does a justice to Tom Petty, NIN, & Soundgarden...oh and his own stuff ain't bad either.

HTTR bro, g'night

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 1, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

scamp- he does. He does a justice to Tom Petty, NIN, & Soundgarden...oh and his own stuff ain't bad either.

HTTR bro, g'night

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 1, 2010 12:27 AM |

His own stuff is pretty good too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 1, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Has to be to offset the inevitable stuffed run, botched play, or incompletion.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 1, 2010 12:18 AM |

...and with practice and familiarity with the system those things will happen less and less.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 1, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

there are no athletic fast home run type backs on this team, that of course includes Portis, who quicker than last year, is unfortunately in decline.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 30, 2010 6:34 PM

Actually, Chad Simpson is REAL fast. He smoked the Redskin's D in preseason (not that that's saying much), but looks like he will not get a chance under Weirdahan.

Why sign a RB with skills when we're peddling this garbage and NOT play him?

Torain is like Betts. Only, you have to wait until Betts turns 40 years old to get to this level of Suck. Why is he taking a roster spot? Pathetic.

I'm not saying we need Adrian Peterson, but a nice Reggie Brooks, a Terry Allen, an Earnest Byner... SOMEBODY with decent balance, some speed, and half a brain!

NOBODY?!?!

I'm starting to wish we'd signed Westbrook's concussed ass.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 1, 2010 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Moe isn't white and doesn't typically post stuff to aggitate. Most of is up here are familiar with each other and each others motives. I would say that Moe may have been attempting something more closely resembling humor than race baiting. I'll take back the "shoot yourself in the face comment" because it was uncalled for but I would say be a little less uptight when dealing with us fools up here...we're mere mortals.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 30, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. I guess we're all Redskins fans. I usually just read the posts and comments and move one but something about that one irked me and its flooding out there and I have nothing better to do than this. I'm sure the Redskins felt just as angry about this rain while they were doing pansy drills today. Meanwhile the Iggles were going full speed because their owner cares enough to give them an indoor practice facility. Thanks again Snyder for all your great work.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | September 30, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Scamphole stepped in it again! Told the guy to "shoot yourself in the face"

Nice.

Why don't you go ahead and do the same, RedneckRacist1975?

By the way, Hoover also got 4 years. Look it up, Beatch. I would explain all the circumstances to you, but you're a Glenn Beck/Rush Limbaugh disciple, so I don't want to interfere with the history lessons they give you.

Dingbat.

Called the man racist for nothing. While defending a racist post.

You should change your handle to ScumBall. You're a F'king disgrace to your team's fans.

And put the beers down, Alchie. A bit early in the day, isn't it?

Redneck piece of sh!t.

Posted by: Thinker_ | October 1, 2010 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Notes and analysis from Keim:

1. Sounds like Josh Bidwell will punt Sunday, which is a bit stunning. After hurting his hip in warm-ups last week and being carried from the field, it was hard to imagine him punting a week later. Yet coach Mike Shanahan said he would be. Said he punted on the turf early Thursday and looked fine.
2. Left tackle Trent Williams said he’s still uncertain about his status. He did participate in the Redskins’ walk-through (more on that in a minute) and said he expects to play. However, “I expected to play last week also, so that’s not saying too much,” he said.
3. Williams said his toe still bothers him and because he puts more pressure on that than his knee when he sets, that’s the bigger issue. Don’t know if he was limping today, but he definitely was Wednesday. We’ll see if he can work in full Friday. If not, can’t imagine that he plays. But that’s just a guess.
4. Defensive lineman Anthony Bryant still hasn’t been cleared from his concussion and it’s highly unlikely that he’ll be ready Sunday. Not that he would be active anyway.
5. Corner DeAngelo Hall didn’t do a lot in the walk-through, but Shanahan said he’s fine. So that’s that.
6. The Redskins had to rent a hangar at Dulles Airport to conduct their walk-through. With heavy rains today, the fields would have been a mess. Yes, the Redskins are in the minority with no indoor facility. Joe Gibbs never wanted one, but the other reality is that the fields they have now are built on a flood plain. But I wouldn’t be surprised if one gets built within a few years.
7. Yes, Clinton Portis will start Sunday. Not sure that was ever really in doubt. But will Ryan Torain continue to get more carries? That will be interesting to watch. I wasn’t all that impressed with him this summer; thought he was OK, nothing special. His 36-yard run was nice, but the hole was huge. To get a good feel on the kid, you’d need to give him a lot more carries. Can he move the pile? How is his vision? How does he press the hole? This summer I thought he ran way too upright through the hole. But let’s see how he develops.
8. Anyway, back to Portis. He said he doesn’t regret taking the intentional fall. “If I had the chance to do it again, I would do the same thing with five people around me,” he said. “Maybe I could have picked up four more yards. Four more yards I don’t’ think is going to determine the outcome of that game.”
9. And he hasn’t lost confidence in himself. “I consider myself the feature back,” he said, “one of the best backs, and I’m gonna always feel that way. For myself, I don’t think anything has changed. Sunday just didn’t work.”
10. I’d tell you what Torain said, but, really, he doesn’t say a whole lot. He’s polite, seems like a good guy. Says nothing. At all. Ever.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 1, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

continued...

11. Shanahan loves trotting out how the Redskins’ average gain on first down is 7.49 yards, tops in the NFL. Darn good number, no doubt. But it is no indicator of consistent success on first down and to be a good offense, that’s a necessity. Rather, that figure was built by a number of explosive plays. The Redskins have had seven pass plays of 20 yards or more on first down; and 20 of at least 10 yards. That shows how aggressive they’ve been trying to get downfield.
12. Donovan McNabb has completed 31 of 43 passes on first down for 474 yards and two touchdowns. Clearly the passing game is clicking on this down (as opposed to third where it’s failing).
13. However, the run game is way too inconsistent and it’s why drives aren’t sustained. Against Dallas, the Redskins rushed nine times for eight yards; vs. Houston, it was 13 for 49 yards (including one for 18 yards) and vs. St. Louis it was eight for 57. So in three games they’ve gained 114 yards on 30 first-down runs.
14. Problem is, of those 114 yards, 54 have come on two runs. That means their other 28 carries have managed 60 yards. Which means the Redskins are in second and long way too often. Or, just as bad, third and long.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-notes-and-analysis-93010-104117344.html#ixzz1165c9nqH

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 1, 2010 5:23 AM | Report abuse

McNabb will have at least one fan in Philly on Sunday
Posted by Mike Florio on September 30, 2010 8:08 PM ET
As debates rage regarding whether former Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb will be booed when he returns to Philadelphia on Sunday, there's at least one person who'll be in his corner.

Former Philadelphia 76ers star Charles Barkley told Howard Eskin of WIP radio that Barkley will be wearing a McNabb jersey -- in his new Redskins colors -- to Sunday's game.

Maybe Barkley is simply hoping to draw some of the fire away from McNabb.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 1, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Why wasn't I thinking...What's our salary cap hit this year?

Posted by: fat_back | October 1, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Our Oreo Moment O' The Day:

From aroud the NFL various players are standing out for doing what has be tranditionally, a black man's job.

(No, not being President of the USA for just four years while everyone else gets 8, you silly.)

I mean being a skilled offensive/defensive weapon.

Witness:

Austin Collie

Clay Matthews, jr.

Wes Welker

James Laurenitis

Dallas Clark

Jason Witten

Peyton Hillis

Kevin Walter

Dave Ball

Adam Carriker

Jared Allen

Aaron Hernandez

Jeremy Shockey

Dustin Keller

Chris Cooley

Bret Hartline


....and when you throw in quarterbacks and kickers, you get the result that, well, white dudes are scoring points and runnin' thangs just like their black counterparts.

The dif?: the helmets make all the players faceless.

Which is why we encourage you to root for the team.

But not the colors.

Posted by: gimmesummoe |


"All you ni**as are taking orders from me now!!"

-Terminator Rex

C'mon, Moe, everybody knows that white people have some black in 'em, and black people have some white in 'em , some more than others (his name ain't Schwarzenegger fer nuthin").
Cooley?? Obviously a shot of Africa..Randy Moss?? Probably more West Virginia Redneck than anything else..The black woman used to stand around the Miss America Parade in Atlantic City, judging which "white girl" had the most "black" in 'em..The KKK would melt away if they knew how much black they had in their blood...

The Goth Queen is about 50/50- ALL HAIL, AALIYAH!!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.queenofthedamned.de/akashanew.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.queenofthedamned.de/Darsteller.htm&usg=__3W6Re7dCB2uvdPVt85yhCY-X1to=&h=500&w=375&sz=29&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=qIzkFaNHqFZGiM:&tbnh=172&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daaliyah%2Bqueen%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bdamned%2Bpictures%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26prmdo%3D1%26biw%3D965%26bih%3D647%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=421&vpy=283&dur=1927&hovh=259&hovw=194&tx=110&ty=248&ei=lbGlTLeqFYP88AaG1IDjCQ&oei=lbGlTLeqFYP88AaG1IDjCQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=13&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0

Posted by: frak | October 1, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Not in play.

Posted by: fat_back | October 1, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

From John Clayton's mailbag on ESPN.com:

Q: I was wondering what you think of this potential trade: Steve Slaton to the Skins for Albert Haynesworth. The Skins get a speedy complement to Clinton Portis and a potential back for the future, and the Texans get another guy to put pressure on Peyton Manning. Slaton seems to have fallen out of favor and Haynesworth should be happy about playing in a 4-3 next to Mario Williams. What do you think?

Andrew in New Orleans

A: Nice try, but Redskins coach Mike Shanahan seems to be locked into getting nothing less than a second-round choice for Haynesworth. As a backup running back, Slaton wouldn't garner value. No trade. But let's look at the possibility of the Redskins giving up a draft choice for Slaton. That would work. He's played for offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan when Kyle was in Houston, and Slaton would add some needed speed to Washington's backfield.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 1, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

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