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Coach Joe's Press Conference

Been on the phone for about two hours since the end of Joe Gibbs's press conference.

People inside the organization were definitely thrown off by his noncommittal stance, but no one has seen any indication that he will actually leave.
Everyone I've spoken to thinks this is a bit of a negotiating process, and Joe doesn't want to say much until he gets something worked out with Daniel Snyder on an extension -- assuming they do get it worked out.
I believe they will. They will have to work out extension for the coaching staff as well if Gibbs gets one, and also address the scouts. They've done this before in short order -- 2005 -- and could well do it again.

The part about not committing to Jason Campbell was stunning to a lot of people in the organization who believe it will be a huge factor with Jason. "If I was Jason's agent, I'd be thinking about asking for a trade," one veteran said. Left some messages for Jason and have not heard back from him yet.

Perhaps if/when Gibbs does return as coach, he will speak more directly about the quarterback situation.
Maybe this all gets sorted out in the next 48 hours. My guess is Gibbs will get a salary bump next season and a two-year extension at about $7 million a year. Just my hunch for now based on all the calls I have made.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 7, 2008; 7:45 PM ET
 
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Underoos

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I was first twice today.

I swear I don't spend THAT much time here.

I missed the press conference, but can't believe St. Joe threw JC under the bus. But then again, he does have a thing for older white noodle armed qb's....not sayin'.....just...

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

very confusing, have not had a chance to listen to the press conference . . .

bery interesting, bery, bery interesting. . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

JC requesting a trade would be pointless. He has at least two years on his deal, is the future, and the skins would never part with him.

If Gibbs thinks Collins gives the Skins the best chance to go far next year, he's going to start. Why is anyone surprised by this?


Posted by: klong105 | January 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Seems that you're making something out of not much. Why say Jason will be starting and give Todd every reason to look elsewhere when free agency is still over a month away?

It could hurt Jason's feelings but asking for a trade? Have Qb's become that thin skinned? I would like to give Campbell more credit than Losman.

Posted by: bhayesp | January 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
You may be too close to see what's actually going on, this is no ploy by Gibbs. He's not a master negotiator, he's a man who loves God and loves the Redskins, but this year has taken it's toll on him. I'm 100% sure that this is it. I remember where I was when he retired last time and I had to hold back tears then. I'm not looking forward to see it again, but I'm afraid that time has come. Let's all rally around Coach Williams when it does.

Slick

Posted by: theslick50 | January 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I was concerned about JC after Jasno's post yesterday. It will be interesting to see how this plays out - but seriously, Collins is NOT our future.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason,
You may be too close to see what's actually going on, this is no ploy by Gibbs. He's not a master negotiator, he's a man who loves God and loves the Redskins, but this year has taken it's toll on him. I'm 100% sure that this is it. I remember where I was when he retired last time and I had to hold back tears then. I'm not looking forward to see it again, but I'm afraid that time has come. Let's all rally around Coach Williams when it does.

Slick

Posted by: theslick50 | January 7, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

JC requesting a trade would be pointless. He has at least two years on his deal, is the future, and the skins would never part with him.

If Gibbs thinks Collins gives the Skins the best chance to go far next year, he's going to start. Why is anyone surprised by this?

Posted by: klong105 | January 7, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The poor man is probably still exhausted i am withholding too much judgement until the next press conference.... which is when?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I am somewhat in favor of not just handing the starting job to Campbell. He should have to earn it. Still, unless he really stinks it up in the off/preseason, he should be able to claim it.

Posted by: rallenii | January 7, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Unreal.

He's finally got a young quarterback he can try to build a franchise around and he's throwing him under a bus for another Brunell.

We all know he can win with mediocre (Mark Rypien) but to actively make a choice to use mediocre when there's someone better already in your organization?

Time for the old man to go. No amount of team building makes up for messing with your quarterback like that.

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I say hold up on all this talk about JC asking for a trade and being thrown under the bus. Did I miss something? Did JG say there would be an open competition at qb? Seems like folks are making way to many assumptions. JC is our future and has been told as much according to all reports and recent articles.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | January 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Except when it was on the record Coach Joe refused to commit. That's pretty major.

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh man..If Gibbs goes with Collins hes just destroying the kid QB. At first I wanted him to stay, but now after hearing this..Now I think he must go..What is wrong withthis man. JCam has so much to prove and talent. Collins will only get you so far and then he will end up like Brunell.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 7, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I will be totally done with him if he does that. Collins is not the answer. Did he not see that Collins could not move at all? When Collins did try to run he was slower than Brunell. I can't believe he would do something like that

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

And I am in love with Siren on American Gladiators.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

If I were going to be the head coach next year, I would not say who was going to be the starting QB next year.

And, if I was not sure about being the head coach next year, it would be irresponsible to suggest who would start.

Where is the mystery here?

How has JC been thrown under a bus? We started him for the whole season, until he was hurt. We picked up Mix to be his tall possession receiver (e.g. we're building our offense around him).

(Let's just all be grateful that I won't be the coach.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What do you hope to gain by manufacturing a quarterback competition, Stumped? Especially when the competition is a career backup who's 35 and can't run and doesn't have great arm strength and really isn't employable anywhere else?

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely, this is much ado about nothing. Considering what he and the team has been through, he really can't commit to anything until he has a chance to sit back and get himself together. Rest up and regroup and decide then.

Posted by: rallenii | January 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

FOUND IT:

Adam Schefter of NFL.com:

Washington Redskins
After Monday, Washington's coaching situation becomes the most pressing, and intriguing, in the league.

Redskins Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs sounded wishy-washy on whether he was willing to continue on in Washington. He spoke with his family Sunday about whether he should continue coaching, and was scheduled to meet Monday night with Redskins owner Daniel Snyder.

Gibbs has one year remaining on his contract. The feeling within the organization throughout the season was that he would return. But Gibbs did not sound convincing Monday.

He made it sound as if he and Snyder have plenty to discuss. Gibbs never has wanted to leave Snyder, who has treated him royally, in an unfair position. But Gibbs said he believes these Redskins are on the right path, with the right quarterback and the right personnel. If ever there were a time to walk away, this might be it.

Gibbs said he would push to get resolution as soon as possible. But it's also entirely possible that Gibbs has his mind made up and Snyder won't be able to talk him out of it. Plenty more to come here.

---

Sounds like he's gone...

Posted by: redskinlaker34 | January 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Everybody should just cool off a little. It could be that Coach Joe is leaving it up in the air so they can get Collins to resign. They leave a glimmer of a chance for Collins and tell him to try to find more than that on the market.

No one in the market will make a 37 year old "SYSTEM" QB their starter based on four games (unless they hire Saunders also and teams wont bring in Saunders just because they love Collins' amazing ability to understand all 700 pages).

Collins will lokk at the market and see he will not get a better offer than back up. He almost has to come back if he wants $$$ and a chance to play successfully.

Lets face it, the chances of Collins being successful will depend on who his Offesive Coordinator is.

Posted by: Papken28 | January 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse


Exactly, suz. You play the noncommittal, open competition game with QBs who need the motivation. Perhaps it would work well with someone like Matt Leinhart, who didn't like to show up for meetings and practice on time, and seemed more interested in living a Hollywood lifestyle than putting in the work to keep his job. But, from all reports, JC doesn't need that kind of motivation. And, he must feel deceived as he's apparently been told that he would return to his job once his injury was completely healed. Hell, I heard Saunders say as much on ComcastSportsnet a couple of weeks ago.

I posted in the last thread that I thought that Coach Gibbs did not explicitly say the job was Jason's to make sure he didn't diminish the chances that Todd would resign here. But, he's a fool if he's willing to compromise his relationship with the young, potential franchise QB on the roster just to retain the old, noodle armed dude with obvious limitations.

Posted by: JustMe | January 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Collins played better than any qb in the league sans Brady the past month of the season. You don't win NFL Player of the Month because you're a good story. The Skins won four straight under him -- and very easily could have won five had our receivers not got a case of the dropsies.

I'm not saying he should start. I'm just not surprised by this. Gibbs wants to win a Super Bowl NOW. If he thinks Collins gives him the best chance, he's going to start him.

Posted by: klong105 | January 7, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the Skins value Collins highly and know he is a free agent. If Campbell makes no progress in the off season then who would blame Gibbs for having a second look at Collins? Campbell certainly was not learning anything by watching Brunell but hopefully he learned how to run this offense better by watching Collins perform. I think that the 4 wins under Collins convinced the doubters that Saunders can certainly design an offense that works here. It is just a question of personell.

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry didn't see the what you guys wrote. i was referring to whether JC or the Todd will start...

Posted by: Papken28 | January 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Suz, why is it major? I personally believe JC should be the starting qb. However, I really don't believe he is better at running this offense right now than TC. To take it a step further, I don't believe we would've made the playoffs with JC at the helm. As much as I think he has great potential, he was clearly not adept at running the O and Saunders clearly didn't trust him enough to cut it loose. If Gibbs believes TC gives him the best chance to win, and he feels he has the talent to make a run in the next couple of years(assuming he gets a contract extension), I wouldn't put it past him to keep the competiton open. I'd like to see JC win it outright personally.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | January 7, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I sat next to Stumped on Saturday, and I'm with him here, too.

We will probably know all within a couple of days, so let's just be patient and not jump to conclusions or put words in Joe's mouth.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

i read jason's recount of the game and couldn't disagree more. and people who think they saw the "real" collins in that game and actually blamed him for the loss? are you kidding? look at collins rating over five games and compare that to 5 best games for JC. you're comparing a probowl season to a guy who couldn't run a complete offense and let down a sean taylor led championship caliber defense.

jc lovers need to please tell me when they will stop counting the games he's started and when he will actually be considered not a rookie anymore.

jason, last time i checked collins drove down 84-86 yards down the field in the fourth quarter and completed another TD drive in the fourth quarter to complete a comeback. that is called a comeback.

it's not his fault that his tight end couldn't hold on to a perfectly thrown pass that would've ended in a TD and his fullback had a hissyfit on the same drive and wasn't lined up correctly to kill the drive.

it's not his fault that santana quit on the play.

every hit he took he got up like a champ and played.

so i think joe knows what he's talking about. he's got 2 more years at the best and he can't sit there and fck around with a qb full of excuses.

what's wrong with saying "qb position is an open competition, may the best qb win". why can't jc learn from todd and just sit on the sidelines and ABSORB?

do you guys really want to waste another year of rookie mistakes?

Posted by: dealer | January 7, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

There's no excuse for planning for Collins to start, though. He's a dead end.

If you've got a team that's totally complete except for an unfinished quarterback then MAYBE you consider going with the old guy (wow, it kills me to say this about someone younger than me) with no future. But reality is that the Skins aren't a quarterback away from domination at this point.

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I saw the press conference (at least some of it) and Gibbs in no way indicated that Collins would be the starter. He was simply noncommital and said that Jason knows he has a future here. He did say they would like to keep Collins. Geez.....

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Suz,
Exactly. I don't think there is really is a competition. JC is a far better QB. Collins knows the offense and had a quicker release (until Seattle). Seeing Todd run the offense will just motivate JC more.

But truth be told, the coaches will decide who starts during training camp.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse


I don't get some peoples' attitudes on this board. You think Campbell is tough enough to lead the Skins all the way to the Super Bowl, but he can't be expected to take a little preseason competition for his position? If he's not automatically guaranteed the number one slot he'll demand to be traded? What kind of competitive attitude is that?

And maybe it's just me, but Gibbs can't have been too happy when he heard the remark about the Redskins being Campbell's team. How many times have you heard the coach talk about "my" team? Never. That said, Gibbs clearly stated that Campbell knows that the team is committed to him and his future.

I'm wondering if the coaches would like to keep Campbell as the "starter" but work Collins into games regularly during the season instead of letting him sit on the bench. Not sure how or if it would work, but it is unusual to have two such strong quarterbacks on a team. Of course, that's just a totally wild speculation.

Gibbs obviously thinks highly of both men, however. I don't see why Campbell should take anything Gibbs said as an insult.

Also, not sure why Gibbs would need to go at it "hot and heavy" with Snyder if he's leaving. But who knows?

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 7, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

It also would be classless to, immediately after Collins has a great run, to turn and say, "... but he ain't starting next year." The Redskins need to let TC savor the success he did have, and leave any "QB controversy" until later, much later, if it exists at all.

I could see HUGE potential in offensive scheming in having a 1-2 punch at quarterback like the 1-2 punch at RB. Not that it's orthodox.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It's wierd redskins.com doesn't have the video or audio from the presser. Don't want to jump to any conclusions or get all lathered up over nothing...

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Refresh my memory. When Steve Young backed up Montana, did Montana think sharing the job with a quality backup was a great idea?

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If there's room on the couch, I'm with the other stumpeds'.

The non-committal to JC makes (some) sense if he's coming back. Sorta'.

But if you make that comment, why not say you're coming back too?

My guess is that he's not coming back as coach. But he stays as GM.

That's why he was non-committal to JC. Leave the question for the next coach to answer.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The presser was actually shown on Redskins.com - I watched it in progress.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Also possible that JC needs surgery on the knee (that hasn't been made public yet), and major rehabbing. May not be able to start when season opens. Anything is possible with regard to JC's injury.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Xlnt,

He listed all of the players who would need some type of surgical procedure in the offseason. JC was not one of them.

Posted by: JustMe | January 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. This is the NFL, you could lose your job at any moment. I like Campbell but he hasn't been spectacular to guarantee himself anything at this point. You don't give the QB the starting position unless he's proven himself for a whole season. While JC did some good things, I think having competition should only make him work harder. Gibbs is smart by being non-commital, make Jason bust his butt and earn the position next year. Don't spoil him into thinking he's the next great QB like some teams have done. Ex. Losman, Ryan Leaf, Grossman, etc.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I take Gibbs at his word. He's not sure.

The season just ended, he needs to rest, talk with his family, talk to the FO and Pray His Guts Out (PHGO).

Only then will he know what he will do.


Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anybody watching the college game? We need to draft LSU's LG, that dude is a hoss!

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Refresh my memory. When Steve Young backed up Montana, did Montana think sharing the job with a quality backup was a great idea?

Posted by: suz | January 7, 2008 08:44 PM

JC is no Montana at this point in his career. Montana had won SB's & was getting old, therefore he had more right to be upset than JC.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 7, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I think far too highly of Jason to think that he would mope or have his confidence hurt by not being named the starter today, two days after the end of the current season, eight months away from the start of the next season, while he is still injured, and after his backup played well enough for a solid month to get the team into the playoffs and earn NFC Offensive Player of the Month honors.

And if his ego is that fragile, then he has no business playing QB in the NFL.

But like I said, I don't think he's that fragile.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight...there are people on here having a hissy fit over the idea that TC might start? What do you think he's been doing the last five games?
Have you bothered to compare ANY of his stats to the best 5 JC games? to other QBs? You think 36 is old and he's a has-been? Immediately after 5 good games? We must have watched different games.

You think JC can't learn anything from the bench? If that's the case, you also think TC learned nothing there either....

Potential (everyone's favorite JC descriptor), folks, is normally defined as 'in the future', not necessarily as the first game of next season.

Amazing, just amazing. Almost as amazing is how much fun some of you are having spending Snyder's money...ROFLMAO

Posted by: forces | January 7, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Off topic, but who thinks Snyder will go after the unhappy, 6'3" Javon Walker from Denver (who the Skins have a trade history with)?

Posted by: sillj | January 7, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Nice poise by LSU to come back and tie it up. I thought they might start to come unraveled after going down by 10 so quickly.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"there are people on here having a hissy fit over the idea that TC might start? What do you think he's been doing the last five games? "

Who thinks TC can take the Redskins past the first round in the playoffs?

The only way the Redskins can advance past the first round is with JC as their quarterback.

TC hasn't been kicking around the NFL for the past decade because he's a stud QB.

He's a nice backup QB. And that's it.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I am probably wrong but I don't get the vibe that the skins think that "next year is the year" like they did in 05. I don't see us doing a big crazy FA frenzy like we did when we got Arch/Lloyd/Carter ect.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

TC is exactly what I would love to see in a backup QB, crazy fast short passes+High IQ smart safe passer who knows exactly when his OC wants the ball out of his hands. Maybe because it reminds me of how I play flag football. I also am a weak armed guy and cant throw more than a 10 yd slant or out rout.

But that does not work in a very vertical NFL you need the guy with the rocket arm.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Sweet TD pass by LSU.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Also Collins sounds like a cool fun silly guy.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks JC can take the Redskins past the first round in the playoffs NEXT year?

Ok, SteveMG...you took the bait. You can hang around and wait til JC learns the system, touch passing, reading the defenses, quick releases, the coaches trust him, and he learns to hold on to the pigskin. And if all that occurs, he might make the first playoff game again in 3 years.

Yes, we could have beat Seattle (and then Dallas) with TC if a few things NOT under his control had gone right...drops, O line, etc. TC hasn't been a backup for 5 games. He was one because he wasn't as good when he started for Buffalo. But he obviously learned something on that bench, didn't he?

Posted by: forces | January 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

One other off the wall thought..is it possible Gibbs didn't commit to JC as the starter and was vague about his own contract because he wants Collins and is afraid Snyder wants JC? Now that would be rich.... (pun intended)

Posted by: forces | January 7, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Come on everyone that is arguing about the "QB controversy." Why is it important that Joe totally commit to JC right now this very moment? This is not 4th grade peewee football where we worry about hurting a guy's feelings. I an a huge believer in JC but if not being guaranteed a job after posting a losing record is going to be the end-all for his confidence, than so be it and good riddance. That's weak stuff, the guy will be fine.

Posted by: pmd23 | January 7, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

We played 4 games against the NFC division winners on the road. And they ALL followed pretty similar script. Close in the 4th quarter, but turnovers hurt us when we had to throw. The o-line struggled (Ware, Kearney, etc) and we came up short.

The game vs Seattle, Collins looked just like Campbell did against that quality of team. Moss's drop Sunday took me back to GB. Cooley's drop on the low pass at the 2 reminded me of the pass he dropped at the 6 vs Dallas, the play before the pick that killed the last real drive.

I think the Skins mgmt knows Campbell is the starter. Gibbs was probably trying to be non-committal on things until he has had time to process everything. That day will come soon, just not this week. The news conference was a non-event.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

cosmo,

It's all good. As you know, I like the banter and respect your opinion as well.

Here is what bothers me about Gibbs and the Campbell situation: COMMUNICATION.

All week we heard how Saunders and Grilliams and Buges were telling Campbell that this was his team, and that he's the guy, and that they would have gone on this run with him at the helm, etc. But now 3 days later Gibbs is refusing to name the kid he gave up 3 picks to get the starter for next season? I don't get it. Does Gibbs not talk to his coaches? Does he realize that his refusal to name JC the starter contradicts everything his coaches have told the kid since his injury? No one wonder JC was upset and left out the back door the other day.

Besides all of the 2nd half losses, the one other thing Gibbs 2.0 should be known for is horrendous communication. We saw it with Ramsey, when he was flat out lied to, we saw it with LaVar, we saw it with Coles, we saw it with Archuletta, we saw it during Portis' injury. No one, or maybe it's just Gibbs, is on the same page down there.

If you're going to re-sign Collins and let him compete for the job, fine. I don't agree with it, but fine. BUT you cannot let your coaches tell the kid he's the guy only for you to refuse to name him the starter 3 days later. Do you realize what that will do to his confidence? Do you realize how many picks we've given up to get him?

As far as Gibbs himself, I will agree that he has brought a certain degree of respectability back to this franchise, but is 30-34 with 2 playoff appearances as the 6 seed (sandwiched around a 6-10 and 5-11 season) really something to write home about with a HOF coach at the reins?

In today's NFL (aside from Pittn 05) you need home playoff games to make a serious push. That's why I get so worked up over horrifying regular season losses to NY and Buffalo and Philly.

You also need to be on the same page with everyone in the organization, and you cannot seriously tell me that is the case. We've seen it for 4 years and it's time for a change.

Posted by: johnw | January 7, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

" You can hang around and wait til JC learns the system, touch passing, reading the defenses, quick releases,"

Er, when do you plan to start getting the "3 more years" of acquiring all of these skills into JC? He has to play in order to develop these abilities.

Will he start after the 2008 season? Or '09? '10?

So, the Skins can start him in '09 and then by 2012 he'll be fully ready?

Which means he was drafted (for a first and a second) in 2005 and then he'll be ready to play in 2012? Seven years?

Seven years to develop?

Anyway, I dispute your "3 more years" to learn how to play. I expect him at the middle of next year to be fully in command of the system.

The other QBs cannot - simply cannot - take the team past the first round in the playoffs. Collins was fantastic. But he's a 37 year old career backup.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Collins was great for us, I love what he did coming in at the right time, but he is nowhere near the future. He has such obvious limitations, there's no way this team is a super bowl team under his control. Like stated earlier "Yes, we could have beat Seattle (and then Dallas) with TC if a few things NOT under his control had gone right...drops, O line, etc." Remember, those things were the same things JC had to deal with the entire season. Todd Collins faced them one time and he folded, worse than JC did all season.
I can't remember the last time any QB controversy/competition has ever helped an incumbent quarterback. It almost always happens that the original starter fails. Leftwich/Garrard, Bledsoe/Romo, Losman/Edwards, Frye/Andersen, Ramsey/every backup the coaching staff used to undermine him, even McNabb/every other backup qb they've had. McNabb went from perennial pro bowler and consensus top 3 or 4 qb in the league to an inconsistent supremely hot and cold qb. And sorry, but collins is not Romo, Garrard, or Andersen. Doing this to JC could set this franchise back another 5 years, and something i'm not ready to go back to as a fan.

Posted by: alexan_simon | January 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

So, JohnW, the coaches are obligated to COMMUNICATE with their players through press conferences?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

It's only been about 48 hours since the season ended, and Gibbs has no obligation to placate anyone, including JC.

I think he (JC) will be the starter next year, but why let him feel he doesn't have to compete and show he can be the starter?

I think putting pressure on JC to study, prepare and perform in the offseason and going in to camp is the best thing for the team, AND JC.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Xlnt - they're not obligated to do so, but when they do, they have to be able to keep their players in mind first and foremost. gibbs did communicate to campbell, whether he realized it or not. he basically told his qb, we don't know if you're right for this job. even if he later comes in and names campbell the starter, it would sound eerily similar to when he named ramsey the starter over brunell. we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: alexan_simon | January 7, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

As they say (whoever they is; I've never found out), if you have two quarterbacks then you don't have one quarterback.

That's "they" talking. I'm just the messenger.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Forget the JC (non)story....

The story here is if Gibbs is done, or coming back...everything is irrelevant until that news is solved.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Again, we don't know that Gibbs is coming back, and if he's not, then it makes perfect sense that he would not name the starting QB for next season, because it would not be his decision. If he doesn't intend to come back, then it would be irresponsible for him to put the next HC in a bad situation if the next HC wanted to go a different direction.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21 - qb is different from every other position in sports. any other position, i would agree with you wholeheartedly. but qb involves so much study, so much preparation, having to look over your shoulder for your competition doesn't make you better. especially when it comes to workouts. when the OTAs and camps come around, and Jason has to split reps with his starting offense, there is no positive way to spin it; he will not improve his timing the same as if he had all the reps.

Posted by: alexan_simon | January 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Listened to the presser and to me it sounded as JG is done. He avoided the question about going back on his word about fulfilling his contract like the plague. He looks worn down, too much happened this year, I think he steps down as coach and remains prez, GW takes over with a new OC. I think Saunders leaves to run the offense elsewhere. Just my opinion, but I will say the presser was scary, especially about JC.

Posted by: tvalado | January 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"is 30-34 with 2 playoff appearances as the 6 seed (sandwiched around a 6-10 and 5-11 season) really something to write home about with a HOF coach at the reins?"

After years of being among the bottom feeders of the league? How long do you think it takes to build a consistently winning team? Gibbs has put most of the pieces in place. Sure he made some mistakes, but in two of the past three seasons his work has borne fruit -- and in the midst of unbelievable adversity this season! There's every reason to believe that this team will continue to grow in talent and return to its status as one of the elite teams of the NFL.

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I did not find the presser to be "scary" - really strange term there.

And why in the hell would Saunders go elsewhere? That is the LAST thing we need.....for our offense to FINALLY learn his system and then have to learn yet a new one.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Forget the JC (non)story....

The story here is if Gibbs is done, or coming back...everything is irrelevant until that news is solved.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2008 10:13 PM

Exactly CL

And when did Collins become Gibbs' guy? He didn't know who he was 6 weeks ago and now everyone thinks he has to have Collins playing or he is leaving.

Posted by: rbd202 | January 7, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"The story here is if Gibbs is done, or coming back...everything is irrelevant until that news is solved."

Or coming back in a lesser/different role.

I don't think he'll just walk away from everything.

He'll stay on in some capacity.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 7, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't know it just feels like the Saunders system didn't fit the build of this team. Even on our streak it never reminded me of the KC offense. I don't just a gut feeling I had. Pretty much non-sense. As to the term "scary" what I meant was that I expected more positive look to the future, here is where we're going and all there was non-committal about the future.

Posted by: tvalado | January 7, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Lisa if Gibbs is gone, everything is up in the air and totally conceivable Weird Al is gone...

If Gibbs stays, status quo all around...

Thats why this is all empty speculation until we know if Gibbs is staying or going.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Jason you are starting controversy that doesnt need to be started. If Gibbs says campbell is the starter collins is gone. Its all a ploy, the whole media needs to just shut up and report facts.

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 7, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

agreed McSteve, he could be changing his role...still that would signal a good amount of flux.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 7, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

tvalado, since when does Gibbs share stuff with the press? Not really ever. People always complain that he says the same thing over and over again....I'm proud of the guys...they have character.....they fought their guts out....it's difficult "up here." He touches on things here and there and that's basically it. Says a lot without saying anything. That's his way.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

You're right Lisa. I just felt after the season we had, in which I think the team, organization and everyone hit rock bottom, and to quote riggins, "rose from the ashes" (sorry I had to) I just wanted Gibbs to come out and be excited for what has become of this team. For the first time in many years it felt like this team was a just that a team and not a compilation of guys looking for a pay check. I guess I am the eternal optimist, but you are right Gibbs never tells the media anything, hence all the speculation!

Posted by: tvalado | January 7, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

That was a hilarious (and strange) comment by Riggo :)

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

gibbs press conference replay on comcast soon fyi

Posted by: rbd202 | January 7, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Just read Feinstein's column.

A word of advice to WaPo editors: If a guy doesn't have anything to say about a team (Redskins) all year long, why let him write a garbled column on religion/Joe Gibbs/Sean Taylor's death AFTER the season?

It's a sloppy piece, most notably when Feinstein asserts that the Giants had "little to play for" when the Redskins beat them in the Meadowlands.

Oh, really? They had a playoff berth to play for, and it was no guarantee they'd clinch with a win in Buffalo the following week (they fell behind 14-0 in the first quarter) or the mighty New England Patriots (they lost).

So I maintain that the New York Giants had a helluva lot to play for, at home, against the Redskins.

He (Feinstein) also does his best to minimize the Vikings victory.

He's a schmuck.

Stick to sensationalistic books about Bobby Knight, you know-nothing knucklehead.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Press conferences are about reporters asking questions, and most of the time, Coaches that provide non-answers.

So we speculate.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Just read Feinstein's column.

A word of advice to WaPo editors: If a guy doesn't have anything to say about a team (Redskins) all year long, why let him write a garbled column on religion/Joe Gibbs/Sean Taylor's death AFTER the season?

It's a sloppy piece, most notably when Feinstein asserts that the Giants had "little to play for" when the Redskins beat them in the Meadowlands.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 7, 2008 11:15 PM
_____________________

Felt the same way. I speculate Feinstein's ticked off the story line for his next book got ripped to shreds in Seattle.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else watch the pre-game on ESPN tonight?

Man, how dumb does Lee Corso feel right about now? Before the season, he picked LSU to win it all. Tonight, he reversed his pick and put on the Buckeye head.

Woops.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"Remember, those things were the same things JC had to deal with the entire season. Todd Collins faced them one time and he folded, worse than JC did all season."

The above has to be the most inane comment posted here today. And I suppose Collins didn't play better than JC in the previous 4 games either? Do you call this habit pot or hemp?

Posted by: forces | January 7, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone seriously needs to give the beat reporter a chill pill. Just when I thought he may have turned over a new leaf, and will simply relay information rather than shape it, he goes and starts a whole new issue over something that will work itself out during the course of the offseason.

But no, he has to resort to his usual tactics claiming anonymous veteran sources are baffled by Gibbs again. I'd love to find out who all these mystery sources are one day...

Posted by: Barno1 | January 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I just read Boz's piece, and I'm not saying he's wrong, but the way he arrives at his conclusion is pretty much just based on his gut. Granted, he's been covering Gibbs for I guess all of Gibbs' head coaching career, and I haven't. Also, I still haven't actually been able to watch the press conference.

I'm just trying to triangulate, based on Gibbs' non-committal approach to the QB issue.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

You can watch the press conference on redskins.com.

You may have to register, I'm not sure. But it's free.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 8, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Okay, cool. They finally put it up. Thanks.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Eh, part of what these guys (Boz, JLC) are paid for is their ability to interpret what they see.

Posted by: suz | January 8, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Stumped,

I think you'd make a great coach. Based on the topcoat you wore to the game, I think you'd have a "Lombardi" -esque presence on the sidelines.

So, everyone else can clamor for Grilliams if they want....me, I'm going to go stumping for Stumped.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 8, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Those of you who've not yet watched the PC, it's now available as noted. My interpretation, without being paid for my "ability to interpret" (Pray tell, what then is Wilbon paid for??) is fairly simple: Gibbs wants some thing or things specific done or changed if he is to continue. If you want to put that in the context of the burgeoning QB controversy, it is potentially that there will be a competition as opposed to Saunder's guarantee, and beyond that, that Saunders will clear such subjects with Gibbs in the future. As some have noted, this is a troika, wherein two of the three members don't appear to be communicating everything to the boss, who is subsequently embarassed by the media. And whom I note, is honest enough to avoid lying about his lack of knowledge, e.g. the 10 man formation.

Posted by: forces | January 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, my take on the presser is that its hard to come out and call JC your quarterback when you know in your heart that you won't be the HC next year.

All the comments could also be interpreted as though he were talking as the team president vs. the HC.

Although I hope he comes back for 2 more years (provided Gregg stays) I think he steps aside now. I'd call it 70:30. Vegas is calling it at 5:3.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

And as for me, now that I've finished actually watching the presser instead of just being able to read about it, I'd say flip a coin as to whether or not he comes back as head coach. About the only thing I feel confident saying is that Joe Gibbs will be part of the Redskins organization next season.

As for just what his capacity will be, I'd rather just wait a day or three for him to tell us, instead of burning up anymore of my brain trying to figure out what might happen.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 8, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

The defeat on Saturday was heart-breaking...no gut wrenching...no heart-breaking.

So which was it?

Well, it was certainly gut-wrenching if your name is Jasno La Confora. Maybe for Dchan too, since he must still be drunk.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 8, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

My take is precisely what St. Joe said: he disappeared to hang out with his family and didn't have time to talk to "Mr." Snyder. He can't make a decision without having his year-end meeting.

Jasno is right to read tea leaves given that the press conference ended with a cliffhanger heretofore unseen in the Gibbs 2.0 era. We are right to speculate because we're fans and we have nothing else to do until early February.

I think St. Joe has earned another season or two, but let's not forget the absolutely abysmal job by the coaching staff and players prior to the Sean Taylor murder. Even excepting the Buffalo game (which I'll grant had special circumstances), this was a fairly poor job by everyone in the organization up until game 13. Injuries certainly had an impact on the team, but there were some pretty specific blunders, some pretty obvious coaching gaffes, and some pretty poor play by marquee players in the games prior.

I adore St. Joe to death. He was my childhood hero, and, really, the only one in the whole organization who I come close to idolizing as an adult.

But it may be time to turn this over to someone with the attention to detail, vigor, and demeanor to turn a perennially under-achieving team and organization into a contender.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 8, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

i watched the Gibbs news conference live while at work, and just now finished reading Boz's article.

Boz knows how to read Gibbs-speak, and I agree with his assessment.

As for the whole non-committal comments about next season's starting QB, I was surprised by it as well, but it's a brilliant strategy to (1) make TC WANT to stay in Washington, which gives management an edge during negotiation, and (2) keeps JC on his toes, because he is still young and needs to PROVE he can play at the level TC played during the 4 game stretch to truly earn the starting job.

Posted by: hankkuo | January 8, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Back in Bangkok. Loved having meaningful games in December. Next year looking forward to meaningful games in January. Sucked be on a 16 hour flight with no way to get an update on the game.

Love next years schedule: NFC WEST, AFC NORTH, Lions and Saints.

Is it my imagination or are the 'skins picking number 21st?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 8, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Ahh....

How I love the smell of a Redskin controversy first thing in the morning.

Posted by: driley | January 8, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

The really surprising thing in all this is the part about Joe Gibbs being non-committal in a presser. Everything that comes out of his mouth at those things is usually so crystal clear and divulging what's really going on ... I just don't get the sudden change. [note to convey tone: sarcasm]

Posted by: dcsween | January 8, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

All of this seems like much ado about nothing. We'll all know the outcome by the end of the week. A few odd clues from the press conference, but not nearly as much as people seem to be making of it.

Regarding the alleged QB controversy: winners strive to be the best in the face of a challenge; losers pack their tents and go home.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 8, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Well said Crickets. If JC can't handle a little competition than we don't need him as a QB. Whatever veteran said that JC should seek a trade based on the vague comments Gibbs made is rediculous. I'm even surprise Jasno is quoting this guy and giving it this much press. Isn't position competition in the NFL good? Is JC that mentally weak that he can't accept competition from a 36 year old never was?

monkalicious

Posted by: scott | January 8, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

What? Coach Joe implied that Campbell would have to compete against a 136-year-old career backup? And for that Jason should demand a trade?

Jason Campbell really does need to raise his game a few notches -- too many bad passes and too many chokes when the game was on the line. He's not a rookie, and he knows this. He'll be ready next fall.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Coach Joe has always been an "every jobs under competition " guy. Also he always says that a QB has to be mentally tough. I don't see his non-committal stance as any issue. If he came right out and said two days after the season was over that there was No chance for any competition, what would that accomplish?

Why not have a chance at bringing Collins back in case something goes wrong with Jason? Is everyone really willing to blow another season becasue we have no capable backup, just so we don't make Jason feel mentally challenged? Maybe this gets Jason working harder in the offseason?

I think he played it perfect.

Posted by: Jason10 | January 8, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

For anyone who thinks Jason should have no challenge, remember his starting record. Also remember the game ending interceptions to Dallas and Tampa.

I like Clinton's take on the whole thing. Definitely bring Collins back, let Jason start, but if something goes wrong, you have a guy who can come in and win games.

Posted by: Jason10 | January 8, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I say one more year with Joe.. then onto Bill Cowher to build with the draft.. I love Joe and hate to say that, but 5 years is enough to see if Gibbs II is going to work.. they've done some good things but have made very big mistakes.. and you just can't keep winning on emotion.. in the end, its the players you have and right now, our players aren't good enough to compete with the big boys.. we also need to see how JC does next year as well.. if he can start scoring points and winning games instead of making mistakes and losing them.. if he's going to continue to improve, we'll know it by end of next year.. if you've got a great QB, you usually know by the third year..
In what i've seen of Collins, he's pretty good, can find the open guy, etc.. but a little slow getting the ball out and lacks a strong arm.. ball seems to float too much, which is a dangerous thing.. he's a good backup (with a good OL).. any pressure, he's done.. at least JC can run if need be..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 8, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Flashback to the press conf. following the '04 season. Gibbs named Patrick Ramsey his starter that day and was locked in. Ramsey had a horrible camp and was outplayed by Brunell in preseason, but Gibbs felt compelled to stick with Ramsey until he was knocked out of the game in the first quarter of the opener.
I don't blame him for not naming a starter. As long as JC does not regress this offseason he should start, but if he does regress, at least you haven't locked yourself into a starter.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | January 8, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Duh they just announced on Mike and Mike that the AP is reporting the Joe is stepping down as Pres and coach? Anyone heard that anywhere else?

Posted by: adamchall | January 8, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

NBC channel 4 in the local DC/MD/VA viewing area is reporting that Joe Gibbs has resigned as head coach and team president.

Posted by: skinz57 | January 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Just heard on sportstalk980 that Joe Gibbs and Dan Snyder are calling a press conference to announce his retirement as coach and team president of the Redskins. WOW!!!!

This scares me! Who is going to be GM/Pres. - please don't tell me Vinny!!!!

Here we go again!

Posted by: EinVB | January 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I just heard that on a DC radio station that i'm tuned into here at work.

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah im hearing the same thing. Gibbs is resigning!

Posted by: dave197391 | January 8, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Yup the AP has reported it according to elliot in the morning looking for a link now

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting it as well... not that means much considering how off they have been lately.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | January 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: swhitman | January 8, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I thought for sure when he stepped down as coach he would remain Pres...

I guess we should have known with that whole family meeting/event he had on Sunday afternoon with his Wife, Kids, Grandkids....

Well, I guess the Sean tragedy made him realize he that his family is most important and he just can't be a family man while running the Skins... I guess I can't blaim him. Good for him, at least he goes out on somewhat of a high note...

Posted by: EinVB | January 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Well I guess the big question now is will danny boy hire a gm to find a coach or do it himself, my guess is he will do it himself.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Do you think they hire Gregg Williams? If they dont, they owe him $1million according to contract he signed in 2004 as being Gibbs' successor

Posted by: skins | January 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I heard it around 15 minutes ago on Elliot and then my phone started to ring.

I really wanted him to come back for another two years as I think he would have done well.

I don't like Saunders and I'm iffy about Williams.

Posted by: bsohrabi | January 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh my Gosh - resigning from BOTH President and Coach?!!?

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

My guess, as promised and to keep continuity, Greg Williams is named coach.. although, i'd like to see Bill Cowher..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 8, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I hear Kerry Collins is available... but if Gibbs is gone, does the franchise still place "super smart" at the top of our player factors?

Posted by: Dorf | January 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear this guys. I really thought he would stay on for you as President.

I hope this doesn't mean that someone comes in and turns the whole thing upside down - again.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Williams did NOT do well in Buffalo - I just don't want another Norv situation where you are a great coordinator and a terrible head coach.

Sorry, just stunned - but there were too many sketchy things happening the last two days, so I guess I should not be surprised.

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 8, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Do you think they hire Gregg Williams? If they dont, they owe him $1million according to contract he signed in 2004 as being Gibbs' successor

Posted by: skins | January 8, 2008 09:16 AM

$1 million is chump change to Snyder. And, frankly, in the corporate world where Snyder lives, a $1 million buyout is nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

This is a sad day, and I'm not as elated as most of you probably think. However, I definitely believe that this needed to happen.

I hope Snyder stays in-house and gives the job to Gregg like he said he was going to do. I also hope we find a GM to deal the personnel decisions and not let Vinny handle this on his own.

Should be a very interesting few weeks...

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 8, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I think Williams gets the job, his def. has carried this team since he came over. But with him we would need a top notch OC to go with him would love to see big al stick around too, he has more talent here than he has had before.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

SAK, Im listening to Elliot as well. Hopefully hew is able to contact Painted Acres!!

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Why would Gibbs want to stay on as President of the Redskins? He's got better things to do with his life than this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

You guys are forgetting the Rooney Rule. The Redskins are going to have to interview candidates seriously for this position, they can't just give the job to Williams, regardless of whether they'd like to or not.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 8, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I bet Boswell feels like an ass.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

DID EVERYONE HEAR THAT GIBBS IS RETIRING AT 3PM TODAY ?????
WTF

Posted by: jessie31202 | January 8, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

If you listened to Cooleys interview on eitmonline.com, he said there was no talk of a coaching change. ANd he believes that Gibbs would tell the players.

Does that mean he was throwing smoke or once again the players are not as important as we thought?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

ITS ON REDSKINS.COM RIGHT NOW FRONT PAGE. ITS TRUE !!!!
CHECK IT OUT

Posted by: jessie31202 | January 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I bet Boswell feels like an ass.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 8, 2008 09:21 AM

Good point, etrod. The Washington Post is probably taking his column off the website. The newspaper boy just came to my door and said that today's edition has been recalled and demanded that I give it back to him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Coat, he can just give it, they will be assessed the fine... which to Snyder is peanuts

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs Retires As Head Coach, President
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
January 8, 2008


Head coach Joe Gibbs will retire as Redskins head coach and team president.
The Redskins will hold a press conference on Tuesday at 3 p.m. ET to make the announcement.

Gibbs will remain part of the Redskins family and serve as a special advisor to owner Daniel M. Snyder.

Gibbs and Snyder will both be in attendance at the press conference which will be held in the main auditorium of Redskins Park.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=33853

Posted by: jessie31202 | January 8, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Is Willliam's contract clause regarding becoming coach in violation of league policy re the Rooney Rule? (or is the Rooney Rule only a strong suggestion?)


Posted by: kingbonehead | January 8, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I just saw RickyBobby at Party City buying burgundy and gold streamers.

Posted by: dfly24 | January 8, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,
Yea I think Gibbs told his players yesterday during the exit interviews, so those would have been after the cooley interview so i doubt he would have has any idea of it when he called in. Im sure a player leaked the info after finding out yesterday.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Does that mean he was throwing smoke or once again the players are not as important as we thought?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 09:22 AM

I think it just means that the season is over and the players are gone. And, that Cooley was wrong.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Uhhg let the hand wringing begin. I don't want Williams as HC. He's a good soldier but seriously, the man just isn't a leader.

Open up the check book and get Scott Peoli Danny boy.

Posted by: Skinz | January 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Tough loss! My only hope is that they stay in house somehow. The last thing we need is a complete turnover of the coaching staff to go along with the normal roster changes. Wow! Just floored right now.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Exit interviews were Sunday werent they?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Exit interviews were Sunday werent they?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure Gibbs gave Snyder his input on the coaching/GM situation.

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I can understand. He has been through a lot.

Holding grown men together after the murder of the best player of your beloved team can be soo emotionally draining. With his age (67), health problems, etc. I can respect him for that. Can you imagine how much energy he exerted to get us to the playoffs despite all of this?

If this tragedy had not happened, I would have expected Gibbs to fulfill his contract.

I bet he thinks more of his own family's well being after all that has happened. In certain situations you have to put yourself and family 1st.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Mike & Mike along with Chris Mortensen are already speculating ridiculously that Snyder likes to make a big splash and that Pete Carrol could be a likely candidate... Come on... seriously?

Posted by: EinVB | January 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

You guys are forgetting the Rooney Rule. The Redskins are going to have to interview candidates seriously for this position, they can't just give the job to Williams, regardless of whether they'd like to or not.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 8, 2008 09:20 AM


Redcoat

Greg Blache, the former D-Cordinator for the Bears, is currently the d-line coach. My speculation, (which is all everybody has), is that he will be interviewed for the head coaching position in Washington then the job will be given to Williams.

Posted by: roweq | January 8, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is on Elliott - and says that he had no idea and that Gibbs did NOT tell the players - that is really surprising to me!

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Redskins site says gibbs will stay on as special advisor to dan synder.. which tells me its greg williams.. can't see him involved if its Bill Cowher or someone else..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I find it horribly strange that he did not tell the players but NBC 4 just reported it and they would not report it without it being true.

Just like 2006.....we go to the playoffs in 2005 and then Gibbs does something crazy like bring Saunders in. Here we go again. Can't win for losing.

Posted by: Lisa | January 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is on elliot now

Posted by: SAK2 | January 8, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Coat, he can just give it, they will be assessed the fine... which to Snyder is peanuts

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 8, 2008 09:23 AM

Understood Z, but to flout a diversity rule would be supremely bad marketing. And I don't think Snyder would do that. He could damage his 'brand' really badly.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 8, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"It also would be classless to, immediately after Collins has a great run, to turn and say, "... but he ain't starting next year." The Redskins need to let TC savor the success he did have, and leave any "QB controversy" until later, much later, if it exists at all.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 7, 2008 08:40 PM"

Great point!! Classic Gibbs. The man values his players. There are things that are meant for public consumption, but the reality is, behind closed doors, even Gibbs knows who the starter will be. He cannot afford to be committal 2 days after the season ended, which is why he leaves the chore of ensuring JC of his place to his lieutenants, i.e. Al Saunders.

Posted by: helmanan | January 8, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm cool with GG and Saunders, as long as Snyder hires a GM.

Hopefully Snyder has learned a lot from Gibbs, and that Gibbs has done more in turning this team around than is apparent right now. I wish Gibbs was 10 years younger, the skins could use more out of him still I think.

Monkalicious

Posted by: scott | January 8, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight...there are people on here having a hissy fit over the idea that TC might start? What do you think he's been doing the last five games?
Have you bothered to compare ANY of his stats to the best 5 JC games? to other QBs? You think 36 is old and he's a has-been? Immediately after 5 good games? We must have watched different games.

Posted by: forces | January 7, 2008 09:09 PM

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Are you for real? When was the last time TC played before his 5 game stretch? How much tape did they have on him?

And answer me this, looking at what Seattle did to him, do you not think that teams now have a blueprint of how to attack TC? Would you be willing to take a risk on a 36 year old QB to lead YOUR team with a limp arm and cement mixers for feet? Seriously?

Posted by: helmanan | January 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think Joe's decision can simply be summarized by this...

He is a devout Christian. He mentioned several times follwoing Sean's death that this was a big reality check for him and it made him check his priorities in life. I think he had a realization that he owes it to his family to be there with them and for them. He can't do that in the role he's maintained with the Redskins. He has worked non-stop between football and NASCAR and he's done with that level of committment. He wants to be the family man, better late than never...

How can you blaim him...

Hopefully, the special advisor role to Dan will allow this organization to move forward with a sound and very solid plan for the future and continuity with what they have built.

Although, I have to agree with DCSween what INTERESTING means with the Redskins under the Danny... I prefer boring. Maybe Danny has changed by working with Joe, but that is TBD in the coming years... I hope Joe helps Dan hire a new President or GM. And a damn good one at that....

Hail...

Posted by: EinVB | January 8, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

As for Gibbs, the one who should go is Snyder, that pompus ass.

Posted by: b1indc | January 8, 2008 01:50 PM

What part of capitalism do you not understand? He bought the team. He wasn't elected to be the owner.

Besides, he's becoming more lovable, especially the way he handled the Sean Taylor murder. There were as many as three positive posts about him, several days running.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The best analysis I've seen so far of Gibbs' resignation was in Peter King's column this morning:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/01/08/gibbs/index.html

"It's a family decision as much as a football decision. Gibbs' three-year-old grandson, Taylor, is being treated for leukemia, and Gibbs has been torn about the time requirements of football versus family over the past year."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 8, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

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