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Kelly Puts in OT; Thrash Looks "Promising"

Rookie WR Malcolm Kelly was the last player off the practice field today, spending extra time running routes with receivers coach Stan Hixon and trying to get his injured ankle ready to play Sunday. Coach Jim Zorn said Kelly would likely be "questionable" for the Arizona game Sunday, but is pleased with how he is pushing to play.

Receiver James Thrash (ankle) was limited in practice and he, too, could be a game-time decision. "He's not 100 percent yet, but it's promising," Zorn said. Zorn hopes both receivers are able to do more Friday, the final practice of the week. The Redskins have just five receivers on the active roster, and Zorn would love to get Kelly on the field.

"We'll try to have him push through it, and he wants to go in a bad way," Zorn said. "He'll push himself to try to get in there."

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Linebacker London Fletcher was at Redskins Park for meetings but was excused from practice to attend to a "serious family problem," Zorn said. Fletcher will report back to the team Saturday morning and will play Sunday, Zorn said. The situation is totally unrelated to Fletcher's minor rib injury and the team is not worried about his health.

By Jason La Canfora  |  September 18, 2008; 3:32 PM ET
 
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To further the distinction... umbrella cover 2 is both safeties at the same distance deep in the secondary. Cover 2 strong and weak are other formations which pertains to which safety is 5 yards in front of the other safety in either run support or zone d.

If it is zone d, the usually the LB will roll over on underneath coverage with the CB playing 10 yards off the LOS and the safety playing deep sideline coverage.

The other players on the opposite side in this instance is a CB in short zone, LB covering the middle ins and the other safety creeping up to play intermediate.

This is usually dictated by the strong and weak side of the o line (ie where the TE is lined up) or where their possession WR vs Speed guy lines up.

See the first pass to buress where Rodgers was in mid zone and safety over the top but there was a miscommunication.

They do this to confuse the offense, to make the QB have to read the d post-snap which will help a struggling d line get to the QB since he has to think a bit more.

When you have good dline (gmen) you rush four, play man on the outs and LBs with safeties close to the line since your QB will have to throw the ball sooner.

Which they did very effectively against us and kept us from getting first downs.

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 3:41 PM

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Best to Fletcher and family

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Love to see the work by Kelly; where's Devin Thomas? sounds like he could use some extra reps too.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

All our thoughts and prayers are with the Fletcher family at this time. Hopefully this problem works itself out for the best.

Posted by: Redskins Nation | September 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Thrash is back practicing already? I though "high ankle sprains" kept guys out for several weeks, not just days. I seem to recall Stephen Davis being messed up for like two months when he had one.......They mentioned Thrash heals fast, but this is great!

Posted by: dlhaze | September 18, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Kelly working hard--but injured every week, Devin Thomas not doing anything, and a 7th round pick being the one bright spot of a complete disaster of a draft class thus far. No wonder Vinny is doing the radio show. When you butcher a draft as badly as he did, it becomes obvious that he doesn't do any "real work."

Posted by: Glass Half Empty | September 18, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor painting article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/17/AR2008091703152.html?tid=informbox

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 3:08 PM

I've seen this painting at Children's Hospital (or whatever its called). In the hallway just off to the left from the reception desk. It is a VERY cool painting.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

First!

Posted by: Cool Guy wannabee | September 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

NFC East QB ratings 9/18

6. D. McNabb QB, PHI 114.1

7. Tony Romo QB, DAL 113.1

13. J. Campbell QB, WAS 94.3

14. E. Manning QB, NYG 93.0

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

NFC East QB ratings 9/18

6. D. McNabb QB, PHI 114.1

7. Tony Romo QB, DAL 113.1

13. J. Campbell QB, WAS 94.3

14. E. Manning QB, NYG 93.0

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 3:44 PM


Yet again JC has a higher rating than Eli Manning. EVEN when Eli supposedly "outperformed" JC in game 1 and played a cupcake defense in game 2. Facts don't lie.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Checking out for a little while ... heading over to Cilizza's political blog, The Fix ... you know, so I can talk about the Skins.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Thrash is back practicing already? I though "high ankle sprains" kept guys out for several weeks, not just days. I seem to recall Stephen Davis being messed up for like two months when he had one.......They mentioned Thrash heals fast, but this is great!

Posted by: dlhaze | September 18, 2008 3:50 PM

You forget James Thrash is actually the X-Men Wolverine heals from what would take others days in minutes.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

to glass half empty:

are you kidding me ? what do you expect out of rookies ? moore willplay this week. horton is on his way to being a starter. davis is getting better every week. jackson, colt are long term projects. reinhart is going to solid by the end of this year.

kelly will get better and so will thomas.
brooks will play his way out of his slump or off the team this week.

your assessment is grossly premature. wait until the end of the year, at the very least before you start grousing..

sheesh

Posted by: shally | September 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Checking out for a little while ... heading over to Cilizza's political blog, The Fix ... you know, so I can talk about the Skins.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 3:58 PM

Enjoy, dc. I hope that you return a tad bit more informed.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

QB ratings really don't mean much...

3. Philip Rivers, SD 122.5

I believe his team is 0-2. Just sayin...

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

As someone new to the area and into football I come to the Washington's Post to get insight. I find that this blog provides bare minimum facts followed by ill-tempered reviews by Mr. LaCanfora. Not only that but these responses are political and pointless. I was directed to check out the DC Sports Blog and found it much more informative and useful. I'm saying this because I'm glad someone pointed me that way and would advise all others who haven't heard of it or who are sick of this blog--which seems to be everyone--to go over there.

Posted by: AreUKidding | September 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Shally,

Go read my post again. I said "thus far."
I also mentioned Horton and called him a bright spot. But let's look at this objectively and be reasonable: there are several rookies who are playing well and contributing to their team's success right now (Jackson and Royal at WR for example), and the two WR's we draft have done nothing. I'm not saying they won't but they haven't; and when you avoid glaring needs along the Offensive and Defensive lines in favor of drafting 3 pass catchers then that screams of an "immediate help" move. So it is completely fair to expect more out of them than we have seen so far. We also used a draft pick on a punter who has been terrible thus far. Only a couple of games, but still a questionable move at this point.

Posted by: Glass Half Empty | September 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

QB ratings really don't mean much...

3. Philip Rivers, SD 122.5

I believe his team is 0-2. Just sayin...

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:00 PM

His team has also put up 62 points in two games. When Rivers starts playing defense, then you can put the blame on him for being 0-2. Until then, he can only control so much.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Yet again JC has a higher rating than Eli Manning. EVEN when Eli supposedly "outperformed" JC in game 1 and played a cupcake defense in game 2. Facts don't lie.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 3:57 PM

That Saints rookie cornerback was even more cupcake.

Posted by: Geico Cave Man | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

thanks, kidding. I knew there had to be a better option.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the Chargers record be:

0 Wins, 1 Loss, 1 Hochuli ?

Posted by: Really just sayin... | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Chris, I think that more shows that QB play is not the only thing that results in a W.
Chargers should be 1-1 and their D blows.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually the chargers should be 2-0... thats how quick a game can turn...

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

One of the power rankings had the 3 NFC East teams at 1st, 3rd and 5th, with the Skins somewhere in the middle. The East is going to be a beast. Considering the NFC East plays two weak divisions ... there's a pretty good chance that both wild cards will come from here.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

hmmm last I checked, Hochuli didn't fold over and allow the Broncos to march down the field and give up the game winning td and 2pt conversion.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Eli 'outplayed' Soup much except for winning.

Eli had more pics - that's fo sho.

As far as facts not lying... depends on how you use them ;)

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM

That was exactly my point! QB ratings don't lead to W's. Who cares about QB ratings is what I was "trying" to get across...

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Chargers got Hoch'ed on

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Alex - Yes, that's what I was saying. See above.

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

That Saints rookie cornerback was even more cupcake.

Posted by: Geico Cave Man | September 18, 2008 4:06 PM

Was he? I could swear that the pro bowl tandem of Jeff Garcia and Joey Galloway didn't quite have the success against him that JC had. But that's probably because the rookie corner lost his talent the Thursday before our game, right?

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Having Rivers as my FF QB has been good. Having the Chargers defense ... not as good. My FF team got Hoch'ed on by that call. Still won though. Right Alex?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

QB Ratings show how well that individual player is playing and puts his role in perspective relative to the other parts of the team and it's w/l record.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Czabe and Polly are ripping Vinny's new radio show who coincidentlly is on the same radio station.

You can really hear it Andy's voice......

Posted by: 4th | September 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

As far as facts not lying... depends on how you use them ;)

Posted by: Dik | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM

Facts don't lie. People lie using facts. Such as. Maps anyone?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

psp....not sure if you watched the game, but the rokkie cb was a replacement for the veteran cb that got hurt in the late 3rd/4th quarter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That was exactly my point! QB ratings don't lead to W's. Who cares about QB ratings is what I was "trying" to get across...

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:09 PM

You care because you want your QB to be playing as well as possible. That is not judged by W's and L's....It is judged by what he controls - measured in the QB rating. W's and L's are a measure of team success, and are not directly attributable to one single position.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young ain't got nothing on me.

Posted by: Armadillo Man | September 18, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I agree.

The nice thing about our position is who wins and loses in those in-east games, the records and "whose' better" matters less. i think even though we are lower in the pecking order, we can beat any other East team.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I know how to go deep, you dorks. That's how I do.

Posted by: Devin Thomas | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You know, some of you will go to your graves insisting that Campbell's better than Eli Manning, despite the evidence of your own eyes and the Lombardi Trophy.

Posted by: OhGeeBarno | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Anon, how to lie with maps.... good book eh?

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I know how to go deep, you dorks. That's how I do.

Posted by: Devin Thomas | September 18, 2008 4:17 PM

Ahh yes.....the manifestation of our liberal government controlled education system.

Say yes to private school vouchers!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Rivers has been an absolute stud. His defense got worked big time by Carolina in that last drive. Gates coughed up a fumble that got returned for 6.

He put up huge points without LT vs Denver. I'm not sure, but I think the Chargers defense only played with 5 guys on the field. At least, thats what it looked like.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

psp....not sure if you watched the game, but the rokkie cb was a replacement for the veteran cb that got hurt in the late 3rd/4th quarter.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:14 PM

Actually he wasn't. Tracy Porter was starting that game with Aaron Glenn (who later got hurt), just like he started the Tampa Bay game - as a replacement to Mike McKenzie.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Having Rivers as my FF QB has been good. Having the Chargers defense ... not as good. My FF team got Hoch'ed on by that call. Still won though. Right Alex?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM

Yea I am diein with these weak WR's I got back there.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - Zorn said after the game that they actually game planned to go after Aaron Glen but it just happened that he got hurt before that play took place.

Also - still don't understand why you're so hung up on QB ratings. You said yourself that it only indicates how well that particular individual is performing but doesn't necessarily determine wins and losses. So, why care about them????

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's a reference to Porter's "cupcake" ability - as a starter. From football outsiders on ESPN:

"Another place where corners made a difference was in New Orleans, where Saints second-round pick Tracy Porter and free-agent signee Randall Gay started in place of the injured Mike McKenzie and the woeful Jason David. Their performance on the outside was a significant improvement, and limited star Buccaneers wide receiver Joey Galloway to 56 receiving yards on the day. If they can stay at this level, the Saints would go from being an automatic matchup to exploit to a potentially effective defense."

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny...at the bottom there it says, "entries that are unsigned or contain 'signatures' by someone other than the actual author will be removed." Weird.

Posted by: My Butt Impersonating My Butt | September 18, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I missed them. I thought they didn't talk NFL until at least 5?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey wait...that wasn't me!

Posted by: My Butt | September 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Skins will need to do very well outside of the NFC East and get 2-3 W's in the division. Do that and they are contenders. The 10 games outside the conference aren't that brutal. The Cards and Steelers are the best of the bunch, and both are beatable. We all ready beat NO.

Browns, Lions, 49ers, Seahawks (with those WRs!), Ravens, Bengals, Rams. We could literally run that table. Probably won't, but there is no one in that group looking good either. 4 wins total for these 7 teams ... and 2 of those came from playing each other

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Also - still don't understand why you're so hung up on QB ratings. You said yourself that it only indicates how well that particular individual is performing but doesn't necessarily determine wins and losses. So, why care about them????

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:25 PM

Haven't seen your name around here too much, so I don't know how long you've been following this, but a lot of people up here LOVE to attempt to rip Jason Campbell for any poor performance this team has - most recently the Giants game in week 1.

Then, I come back with factual statements (like he posted 60% completion, zero turnovers, a TD, and hitting his top 2 WRs for 12 receptions) to show that it in fact was NOT Jason Campbell's fault, instead it was a team effort (or lack thereof).

It hardly gets through their heads though. But that's why I care about passer ratings.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

oops, sorry 2 wins so far for those 7 teams, not 4 (accidentally including the Steelers). And both wins came because teams played each other in that group

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Was he? I could swear that the pro bowl tandem of Jeff Garcia and Joey Galloway didn't quite have the success against him that JC had. But that's probably because the rookie corner lost his talent the Thursday before our game, right?

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM

No, it means the Saints were depleted on Defense. Quit sniffing JC's jock strap.

From Rotoworld:
Saints CB Aaron Glenn left Sunday's game with a strained ligament in his ankle, and it will reportedly take a "little while" for him to return to the field.
On top of Jason Craft's Tuesday release, the secondary already has injuries to Mike McKenzie (knee), Randall Gay (hamstring), and Roman Harper (hamstring).

Posted by: WhinersRUs | September 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

... Browns, Lions, 49ers, Seahawks (with those WRs!), Ravens, Bengals, Rams. ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:30 PM

The Giants are in the squishiest part of this schedule now. I think part of the reason they aren't getting media attention (see a few threads ago) is b/c the first part of their schedule is so soft to begin with. They are looking like they should be 6-0 by the time they get there ... and if they aren't, Big Media will call it failure. Giants schedule to start the season: Skins, Rams, Bengals, Bye (!), Seattle, Cleveland, SF ... Look to Week 8 when the Steelers wake them up.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

From Rotoworld:
Saints CB Aaron Glenn left Sunday's game with a strained ligament in his ankle, and it will reportedly take a "little while" for him to return to the field.
On top of Jason Craft's Tuesday release, the secondary already has injuries to Mike McKenzie (knee), Randall Gay (hamstring), and Roman Harper (hamstring).

Posted by: WhinersRUs | September 18, 2008 4:33 PM

(1) I never said their defense was not depleted. I said their "depleted" defense had no problem containing a pro bowl tandem of Jeff Garcia and Joey Galloway. They couldn't do the same to JC and Moss.

(2) Nothing you posted above shows that Porter was not a starter vs. the Redskins (or Buccaneers). So again I'll repost what was posted earlier, in case you couldn't comprehend it.

"Another place where corners made a difference was in New Orleans, where Saints second-round pick Tracy Porter and free-agent signee Randall Gay started in place of the injured Mike McKenzie and the woeful Jason David. Their performance on the outside was a significant improvement, and limited star Buccaneers wide receiver Joey Galloway to 56 receiving yards on the day. If they can stay at this level, the Saints would go from being an automatic matchup to exploit to a potentially effective defense."

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Was he? I could swear that the pro bowl tandem of Jeff Garcia and Joey Galloway didn't quite have the success against him that JC had. But that's probably because the rookie corner lost his talent the Thursday before our game, right?

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:11 PM

All the corners around the rookie corner WERE INJURED! When healthy, they did great vs Garcia and Galloway.

Posted by: Geico Cave Man | September 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ripping Campbell either, nor do I ever want to rip him. I now understand your point of view.

However, 60% completion percentage for only 133 yards. Says a lot about the type of throws he was completing. Yes, the O-line gave him sh!t for time to allow him to make deeper throws but that 60% gets a little distorted. That's also why I think QB ratings get a little too much attention. Anyway, agree to disagree.

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Earth to psp, the Saints top CBs were all INJURED!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

My labia hurts.

Posted by: Ouch | September 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

All the corners around the rookie corner WERE INJURED! When healthy, they did great vs Garcia and Galloway.

Posted by: Geico Cave Man | September 18, 2008 4:38 PM

So Tracy Porter was torched by Santana Moss and Jason Campbell because his teammate who was covering Randle El was an injury replacement. Got it.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Chris -

Fair enough. All I'll say is that he hit Moss for 5 receptions and ARE for 7 in that game. Meanwhile, he hit Portis for 0 and Betts for 1. He wasn't dumping the ball off. He can't complete downfield passes if his top WRs are running 4-yard routes. That's why the 133 yards is the misleading number, not the 60% completion percentage.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | September 18, 2008 3:41 PM

Zebra,
Thanks for the education!

Posted by: will_ga | September 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Is there something odd about this photo? [not that there's anything wrong with that]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/09/vegass_week_three_power_rankin.html

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's do an example, so that the idiot can understand.

Take out Smoot, Landry, Fletcher and put the rookie CB on the other team's top receiver. Then give the rookie CB no help, because the other good CBs aren't dressed to play.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Take out Smoot, Landry, Fletcher and put the rookie CB on the other team's top receiver. Then give the rookie CB no help, because the other good CBs aren't dressed to play.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM

The rookie CB actually had pretty good coverage, it was the throw more than anything. It wasn't like TO's touchdown the other night where you didn't see a CB within 10 yards.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - that was me.

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's do an example, so that the idiot can understand.

Take out Smoot, Landry, Fletcher and put the rookie CB on the other team's top receiver. Then give the rookie CB no help, because the other good CBs aren't dressed to play.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM

No, you have it all wrong... JC is just that great, so much better than Eli. JC torches depleted teams like no other.

Posted by: WhinersRUs | September 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Take out Smoot, Landry, Fletcher and put the rookie CB on the other team's top receiver. Then give the rookie CB no help, because the other good CBs aren't dressed to play.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM

The rookie CB actually had pretty good coverage, it was the throw more than anything. It wasn't like TO's touchdown the other night where you didn't see a CB within 10 yards.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:51 PM

That's cause the ball was underthrown moss had to slow down

Posted by: A12 | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

That's cause the ball was underthrown moss had to slow down

Posted by: A12 | September 18, 2008 4:55 PM

Barely had to slow down. If it was underthrown, it would have been picked off.

Posted by: Chris | September 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 4:48 PM

How about let me give you an example, so you morons can get it.

Take out Sean Taylor, Carlos Rogers, and Rocky Macintosh. Then insert backups HB Blades, Randall Godfrey, Reed Doughty, and Leigh Torrence. What do you get? Instead of giving up 4 TDs to Terrell Owens or 52 points to Tom Brady, you hold Marion Barber and Adrian Peterson to 21 yards rushing combined over 2 games.

It makes ZERO difference what player is missing as long as the defense plays well. Tracy Porter and their banged up secondary held a Pro-Bowl Playoff QB and Pro-Bowl Playoff WR to near nothing. They could not do the same to JC and Moss.

Get it? Or is that information too dense for you?

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Browns, Lions, 49ers, Seahawks (with those WRs!), Ravens, Bengals, Rams. We could literally run that table. Probably won't, but there is no one in that group looking good either. 4 wins total for these 7 teams ... and 2 of those came from playing each other

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 4:30 PM


The Ravens (1-0) D is probably the toughest of those seven mentioned, followed by Seattle. God willing we can finish 4-2 or better in the division and run the table outside the div.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

JC torches depleted teams like no other.

Posted by: WhinersRUs | September 18, 2008 4:53 PM

As opposed to what? Losing to depleted teams? Wow, I wish I had your persuasion skills.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens (1-0) D is probably the toughest of those seven mentioned, followed by Seattle. God willing we can finish 4-2 or better in the division and run the table outside the div.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM

Is that a 14-2 prediction? I thought I was optimistic.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

It makes ZERO difference what player is missing as long as the defense plays well.

Then insert backups HB Blades, Randall Godfrey, Reed Doughty, and Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 4:59 PM

Blades and Godfrey are LBs, they'd be covering TEs not WRs...

CB Mike McKenzie (knee), CB Randall Gay (hamstring), LB Scott Fujita and SS Roman Harper (hamstring).

It makes a world of difference when so many players are out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Tracy Porter was the Saints' Chris Horton in Week One.

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index.ssf?/base/sports-4/1220937622173520.xml&coll=1

I thought he had pretty good game (Skins were losing till the 4th quarter), but it was clear the Skins were targeting him.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

As opposed to what? Losing to depleted teams? Wow, I wish I had your persuasion skills.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 5:01 PM

As opposed to making it seem like Tracy Porter was all world, and that JC and Santana owned all world Tracy Porter. As opposed to Eli having less cupcake competition.

Posted by: WhinersRUs | September 18, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Blades and Godfrey are LBs, they'd be covering TEs not WRs...

CB Mike McKenzie (knee), CB Randall Gay (hamstring), LB Scott Fujita and SS Roman Harper (hamstring).

It makes a world of difference when so many players are out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM

Look man, why don't you just take off? Since you have nothing positive to say about the Skins, just go, we won't miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought he had pretty good game (Skins were losing till the 4th quarter), but it was clear the Skins were targeting him.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 5:13 PM

The Saints couldn't provide help or put Porter on other receivers, because of all the injuries.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Look man, why don't you just take off? Since you have nothing positive to say about the Skins, just go, we won't miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM

Who had more cupcake competition, I'd definitely say JC takes the cupcake for last week's Saints' DEPLETED defense.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens (1-0) D is probably the toughest of those seven mentioned, followed by Seattle. God willing we can finish 4-2 or better in the division and run the table outside the div.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM

Is that a 14-2 prediction? I thought I was optimistic.

Posted by: psps23 | September 18, 2008 5:03 PM

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Just best case thinking. If they continue to improve and play up to their God given abilities and hustle. I came into the season thinking we're in the 8-8 to 12-4 range, depending on QB play. I think the rest of the team is solid enough, despite the FO errors. If JC can stay in the 95 plus rating zone consistently the boys can do it.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

And stay healthy as possible.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's see.
The questions are can we beat: Cowboys, Eagles or Giants?

Okay then, can we beat the Steelers?

After that, can we beat the Cardinals or the Seahawks?

Can we afford to lose to any of the teams not mentioned above?

This Sunday is a big tell.

Posted by: stumped | September 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens (1-0) D is probably the toughest of those seven mentioned, followed by Seattle. God willing we can finish 4-2 or better in the division and run the table outside the div.

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 5:00 PM

Ravens: starting QB, Joe Flacco
Seattle: their top WR is Billy McMullen

and that's the tough part?!

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Look man, why don't you just take off? Since you have nothing positive to say about the Skins, just go, we won't miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM

Who had more cupcake competition, I'd definitely say JC takes the cupcake for last week's Saints' DEPLETED defense.


Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:20 PM

I'm just happy for a win. Last I checked a win in the NFL is a win no matter who the opponent is.

Like I said earlier, why don't you leave-- I'm sure there are a bunch of folks over on some Cowgurls blog who miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm.... Interesting:

Former LB Ken Harvey joins Redskins as boss of responsibility

By Anthony Brown | September 18th, 2008

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Maybe the timing is coincidental, or maybe the Redskins think the antics of some of the players put the a** in embarrassing, the the team named former Redskins linebacker Ken Harvey as Director of Responsibility.

Harvey will “serve as a resource and advisor in the development of responsibility initiatives focused on education and advocacy. The former linebacker will also work with the Washington Redskins Charitable Foundation in bringing responsibility programs directly to the fans and the community at large,” according to the team press release.

Harvey will lead the team’s “Coaches in the Classroom” campaign that invites graduating high school football players to FedEx Field to discuss social responsibility and life after a football career.

Buried deep in the press release is this nugget:

“Additionally, Harvey will oversee the team’s “Responsibility is a Team Sport” initiative. This effort, with the support of long-time team sponsor and social responsibility advocate Diageo (NYSE: DEO), is dedicated to the development and implementation of responsibility programs that address the team, players and the community throughout the year.”

I thought the player reference was interesting, but the announcement also references the NFL’s and the Redskins Fan Code of Conduct.

Harvey was drafted by the Phoenix Cardinals, the Redskins opponent this Sunday, but had his most successful years with Norv Turner’s Redskins. He was named to four consecutive Pro Bowls between 1994 and 1997. Harvey’s Redskins honors include the 70 Greatest Redskins list and the Redskins Ring of Fame at FedEx Field.

http://mvn.com/nfl-redskins/2008/09/18/former-lb-ken-harvey-joins-redskins-as-boss-of-responsibility/

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Blades and Godfrey are LBs, they'd be covering TEs not WRs...

CB Mike McKenzie (knee), CB Randall Gay (hamstring), LB Scott Fujita and SS Roman Harper (hamstring).

It makes a world of difference when so many players are out.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:09 PM

Look man, why don't you just take off? Since you have nothing positive to say about the Skins, just go, we won't miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:16 PM

I don't see anything negative about that post towards the Skins. Some people don't like realism.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, I hadn't noticed that the depleted Saints defense actually played the entire 4th quarter with only 4 defenders on the field.
They really were depleted... and when they put the Double Move on you, what can you do?

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

We're 1-1 with 14 games to go.

Seven games are against weak teams:
Ravens, Browns, SF, StL, Lions, Seattle, Bengals
go 6-1

Seven against good teams:
NFC East teams (5 games) plus AZ and Steelers
go 3-4

Overall record 10-6

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Like I said earlier, why don't you leave-- I'm sure there are a bunch of folks over on some Cowgurls blog who miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM

You first, I'm sure there are a bunch of Kool-Aid chuggers on extremeskins that miss you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

actually they werent trying to target porter...if you listend to zorns comments...they were targeting the other cb...and zorn was disappointed when porter followed moss when he motioned...zorn even said it was lucky that the play worked

Posted by: jason/mimic/jjmat84 | September 18, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Prayers go out to Fletcher and his family. Hopefully all is well.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

14-2? 8-8?

Gimme 2-1 baby!!!

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

sween- You're on to something here...it's the new RI game...
Is there something odd about this photo? [not that there's anything wrong with that]

http://www.funnyearth.com/Photos/Funny_Soccer_Images.jpg

Posted by: 4-12 | September 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

take your butt out

Posted by: | September 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Like I said earlier, why don't you leave-- I'm sure there are a bunch of folks over on some Cowgurls blog who miss you.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:24 PM

You first, I'm sure there are a bunch of Kool-Aid chuggers on extremeskins that miss you.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:27 PM

I never said JC was the best thing possible. I thought he played pretty well last week and we got a good win, that's all. As an actual Skins fan, I appreciate a good win and hope JC and JZ can build on it. Simple enough for most...

Meanwhile you have nothing good to say, only negative. I feel sorry for you kid.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile you have nothing good to say, only negative. I feel sorry for you kid.

Posted by: f_smoot27 | September 18, 2008 5:31 PM

Don't feel sorry for me kiddo, feel sorry for yourself. I don't see anything disparaging towards JC or Zorn in those comments.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Calais Campbell is coming to town. He's #2 on the debth chart ... at DT ... behind Darnell Dockett.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 18, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Calais Campbell is coming to town. He's #2 on the debth chart ... at DT ... behind Darnell Dockett.

Posted by: dcsween | September 18, 2008 5:37 PM

i wonder how a DT who can barely bench more than me would fare?

Posted by: jason/mimic/jjmat84 | September 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | September 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | September 18, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Just...Damn.

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/irvin-slashed-teammate-in-neck-with-scissors-19960

Posted by: 4-12 | September 18, 2008 5:45 PM

I was thinking the same thing when I read this. What a great HOFer he is.....

Posted by: 4th | September 18, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Riggins and 980 guys are ripping Vinny's show. They are about to take calls.

Czabe just brought up the possibility of tampering if he slips.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

where every1 go?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

4-12, Man u doing what they do best. LMAO

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

4-12, Man u doing what they do best. LMAO

Posted by: Realness | September 18, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

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