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Coaching Update/Skins Rebuffed In Attempt To Land Another Offensive Coach

Former Coach Joe Gibbs began calling members of the staff today to update them on the coaching search, league sources said. Gibbs is telling the coaches that it could be several more weeks until a decision is made, apologized
for how this has left them unsettled and for the process taking longer than they had hoped.

The coaches will gather at Redskins Park next week to be given more information on what their duties will be in the interim and will meet individually with Gibbs.

It had been 16 days since most coaches had been given any information from management whatsoever.

League sources said the Redskins have also told other parties involved in this process that they anticipate expanding the process to include coaches involved in the Super Bowl and Jim Fassel, who emerged as the leading candidate this week, has been put on hold.

The team was trying to assemble a staff around Fassel, guys they knew he could work well with, and hoped to make that hiring shortly, but several of the men they hoped to hire were blocked - including an attempt to lure San Diego QB coach John Ramsdell to interview for an offensive coordinator or QB coach job here, league sources said (Jason Reid will have more on that later; Ramsdell agreed to new 3-year deal with the Chargers today) - and others like Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams. Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process.

Steve Spaguolo and Josh McDaniels would be the names to watch among the Super Bowl coaches. Barring another drastic turn from Daniel Snyder, all indications coming from the braintrust point to us heading to February without a resolution. Lauren and the kids are going to love that.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 24, 2008; 4:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

J-la, don't end up in divorce court just for us hamsters....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

first holy smoke?

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | January 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I wonder if I'm first. If I'm not, then I may have to do some pushups.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

We all might aswell just buy the team...or let Snyder continue to alienate continuity...

Posted by: AdeebM | January 24, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, looks like some pushups.

The question I have is whether or not this is a trend. Do coaches around the League view working for the 'Skins as radioactive to their careers? Or is it simply that, well, San Diego 12 months a year is better than DC 12 months a year and that Zorn is a lifelong Seahawk and that Rex Ryan has no interest in doing anything laterally. In other words, is it because of the circumstances involving the individual, or is it because the 'Skins are a moribund franchise in search of leadership?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The saga continues....poor Gregg....

Posted by: Lisa | January 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

They make it soooo hard to root for the skins. unbelievable.

Posted by: jlastmango | January 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Is The A Team's relationship with the coaching staff so poor that they have to ask Gibbs to talk to people?

And, if so, does this leave any doubt as to where the trouble originates?

Posted by: skins.sox01 | January 24, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Following that invigorating news break, we now return you to...pies

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 24, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

No offense but if you don't like the job, quit.

Do you realize how many people would love to have your job?

Posted by: makalb18 | January 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What's the record for longest head coaching search in league history? Maybe the Skins could get a reality show deal out of this? Hell, with no writers strike, this crap is drama gold!

Posted by: novus_0 | January 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This coaching process sounds more like americas next top model, who looks better standing next to Dan Snyder

Posted by: AdeebM | January 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The solution to all of this is plain and simple: Gibbs relents and comes back for one more year, and then everyone leaves at the end of their contracts.

Then the Danny and Vinny Show can hire any fool they want.

someone please create this: http://www.joeweneedyouso.com

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 24, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

er.. *WITH the writers strike...

Posted by: novus_0 | January 24, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

skins.sox:

Remember, Joe is still some kind of liason for Snyder.

And these are HIS coaches; he probably feels that he owes them an update, and even now, if he were to say "Just Fooling!" Snyder would bend over backwards to say "Joe's Back, Part II.5!" So Gibbs has enough pull to get Snyder to cough up; Gibbs cares enough about the coaches to not leave them hanging (remember, some of these guys could easily interview for other positions with the big coaching changes going on in some other cities, too), and he's a class guy... so he's going to speak with them.

Posted by: williamward | January 24, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What a mess Danny has made. I was almost embarrassed to put on my redskins hat when I jogged this morning. We are the Laughing stock thanks to Danny boy.

Unbelievable that all of the coaches have no idea what is going on. So much for continuity. So much for treating people who work for you with respect. So much for the "Redskins family".

If I were a prospective coach for this owner I would say no thanks. Look at how Danny treats any coach not named Gibbs.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 24, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

This is a trick! Danny sees how angry everyone is and he is setting Joe up to trick folks into calming down. When everyone is relaxed, he will swoop in and hire Fassel at 12:01 midnight just like the Baltimore Colts heading to Indy!

On a serious note, how pathetic is it that Dan has to get Joe to come back and call the coaches? Obviously, they wouldn't take Dan's calls. What a dik.

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

You stay classy Joe Gibbs.

SHABINGUS

Posted by: Dorf | January 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Laurel vs. beautiful downtown Annapolis? Sure you don't want us common-folk heading for the water, Redcoat?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 04:49 PM

Well, as SMACK has baled out (some poor excuse about "being in the air at that time" or somesuch) it's really just wherever works best for your good self and Mark (from Tomorrow).

Speaking of whom, why don't we just get Mark (from the Future) what the decision was? Or is ther some sort of elaborate rule about not revealing the future to us poor people in the past so as not to interfere, like such as, maps?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, good news!

I wonder if this blog and other fan sites had anything to do with it? ; )

Here is where I stand.

Gregg Williams - Love ya man, but you need to tell the Skins to f off and get a better gig. You were disrespected big time by Snyder and Vinny. Can't see you sticking around for 5 years of that stuff. Too bad cause I was rooting for you.

McDaniels Head Coach Washington Redskins with Blache/Gray assuming the defensive staff and being coordinators thus maintaining "Continuity" on the defense.

Sorry Al, but we didn't see much change since you joined, and that could very well be the fault of Vinny and Dan and their "processes".

Hail.

Posted by: the_squire | January 24, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Why did Joe have to make the call?

He resigned.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

No offense but if you don't like the job, quit.

Do you realize how many people would love to have your job?

Posted by: makalb18 | January 24, 2008 04:56 PM

AMEN!!!! Seriously, enough with the complaining about how the Redskins coaching search is affecting your personal life. My God, do you realize how ridiculous you sound Mr. Beat Reporter???

And anyone who believes this kind of stuff (long coaching search process affecting his personal life) has no effect on his coverage is simply being naive.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Dramatic interpretation of Gibbs phone call:

Gibbs: Hello

Coach X: Hey joe hows hick town?

Gibbs Carburator issues you know how it goes...anywhoo so remember how I said sure put that deposit on that new joint in Great Falls...maybe chill on that.

Coach X: Really? I though you had bib baby cowed?

Gibbs: Look I did, he was eating peanut m n m's outta wrinled hands, but than that little lucifer Cerrato got in the way, again, that little damned soul was harshing my rapture at every turn.

Coach X: what does that mean for me, should I stop workin?

Gibbs: Idle hands are the devil's playthings, but I gotta say bub, if I were you I quit breakin down film from Buffalo and like have supper with you wife if you get my jib.

Coach X" gotch. Whats next?

Gibbs: Who knows with this crue? Fear & loathing stalks the halls like a jezebal in Sodom and Gamora. G-Dub is climbing the falls, keeps callin jeff fischer to see if he has a car he can wash. Rumor has it they are talkin to Sam Wyche and lookin to bring in the corpse of Al Coryell b/c he know weird Al's system. I was like "Danny Air Coryell...ever heard of it..uts his system" but he couldn'nt look away from Halo 3 long enough to hear me.

Coach X: Well alright Joe, thanks for update anyway.

Gibbs: Oh almost forgot...all staff meeting next week...travel exspenses on your dime and eat a big lunch if you know what I mean...I hear Cerrato's cut the cafe budget again....Alright I am out, got hit a Huckabee stump event....peace!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The operative phrase "...and that they will gather at Redskins Park next week to be given more information on what their duties will be in the interim."

Must be incredibly embarrassing for them to watch their jobs float away in a very public manner. How odd and uncomfortable.

Posted by: jrizzo | January 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Stupid skins FO

Posted by: goskinsgo | January 24, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah Beat Reporter blah blah blah naive blah blah straw man blah blah blah wow, just wow blah blah biased blah blah blah

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

CTRL+C CTRL+V

Lather, rinse and repeat (ad nauseum).

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Start worrying now - after this clusterfutz, there won't be many victories on Sundays for a very long time. How does 3-13 sound to you for 2008? Get used to it - the organizational damage heaped upon the team by Beavis and Butthead will resound here for years. It will be WORSE than the bad old days of Spurrier and Norv. No decent coach will want to work here. No decent player (UFA) will want to come here. The days of starry-eyed optimism are done. Get used to it.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense!

Posted by: oilcart | January 24, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Finally some good news!

Bring on Spaguolo and McDaniels!!

Posted by: montybrns9 | January 24, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And they can get up and quit...and walk immediately away from a severence/buy-out. Not a smart move. They have no other choice but to wait it out, pick up their check, and look for something else, assuming there are still unfilled slots available throughout the league.

Posted by: jrizzo | January 24, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, they wouldn't take Dan's calls.

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 05:00 PM

And here we have the winner of the most idiotic comment of the day. Congratulations Herb! Your prize is a TiVo'd copy of Washington Post Live starring host Russ Thaler and The Beat Reporter. And yes, it will be signed by Barno, and should arrive in the mail sometime before Christmas.

Of 2028.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The man can't buy a break. He doesn't hire a guy because the FANS went nutzoid at the mere thought of it and he's still a putz?

That said...Why are they meeting individually with someone whoe retired from the organization? Maybe he is a putz.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

And the three ring circus continues.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

2 of my very good friends, 1 a die-hard Cowgirls fan and the other a die-hard Eagles fan, are both praying that we hire Fassell. That should say enough!

Posted by: jsabalbaro | January 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the prize Barno. It's a little something nice to have on an otherwise poopy Redskins day. I'll park it right in the heavy metal parking lot bro.

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ditto Barno

Posted by: herb | January 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Dannyboy has to use Gibbs to give us info. What the heck does Vinny do? They are bunch of cowards!

Posted by: mofares | January 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Continuity. You have to love it. If Dan and Vinny hadf their druthers this playoff team who finished this passionate season as the hottest in the league would not just change it's entire coaching staff but also scheme to be a west coast offense with a 3-4 defense. because Vinny and GW are not best buddies you throw away four years of building, trading draft picks for players that fit his scheme? Our best defensive player last year, London Fletcher came here to play for Williams. Our drafting of Landry, McIntosh, C Rogers were for Williams. And now because Vinny is upset that it was GW that had Gibbs' ear and not Vinny's we will dismantle everything? This is ASSININE!!!!

Posted by: babushka79 | January 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

You wonder why Gibbs couldnt give his coaching staff a better endorsment. He tried, but I am sure it went like this.
Dan- What about Greg
Joe- Well he's super smart
Dan- ok what about Al
Joe he he hehhheeee heeee heee heeeeeee heeeee heeeeee. Real couragous
Dan- Don Breoux?
Joe- he's still alive?

Posted by: tlyden | January 24, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

AMEN!!!! Seriously, enough with the complaining about how the Redskins coaching search is affecting your personal life. My God, do you realize how ridiculous you sound Mr. Beat Reporter???

And anyone who believes this kind of stuff (long coaching search process affecting his personal life) has no effect on his coverage is simply being naive.

Posted by: barno | January 24, 2008 05:02 PM

And here we have the winner of the most pathetic comment of the day. Congratulations Barno! Your prize is an empty "Heavy Metal Parking Lot" DVD box, a copy of "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" to improve your two-fingered typing speed, a lifetime supply of prescription strength deodorant and 5c to buy yourself a better life!

Broken Record is a legitimate negotiating stance but it isn't the only one, you know? Give yourself a break.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Politcal Strtgst- Seriously? You're going there with the religious insults? WTF?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Look, I think Snyder is a pr!ck too, but there is NO REASON to even mention his religion. That's just ugly. Bash the man all you want for his business practices, his ineptitude as an owner, his poor choice in cronies, etc. but leave religion out of it. His religion does not make him a bad person. The fact that he taking our beloved football team and turning it into the laughingstock of the league, on the other hand...

Posted by: jaradel | January 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This is just a scheme by Snyder. No one knows he's actually a promoter for Barnum & Bailey Circus. Ingenious!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I have an update:

HIRE GREGG WILLIAMS!

If Snyder doesn't, he is a boob.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone in the NFL is probably pi$$ed at Snyder. He's interviewing guys for jobs that they can't take and pushing the price up. Danny pull the trigger!!!!! Are you really going to wait until after the Super Bowl and interview a DC who has one year at the job and an OC who has already said he isn't interested in a HC job. What you think you can buy Bellichek?

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I was a little worried that maybe a late hiring of a Head Coach might effect the team. San Diego was the last team to sign a Head Coach last season, and they didn't do that until Feb 20th. Didn't seem to effect them too much.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

a copy of "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" to improve your two-fingered typing speed, a lifetime supply of prescription strength deodorant and 5c to buy yourself a better life!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 05:14 PM

LMAO!!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Okay guys take a breath. Yeah, Snyder screwed up with Griliams. What I want to know is why? Why do they not want him to be the HC. If he and Vinny aren't that close so what? Give him the job, if he doesn't get you to the playoffs the first year then get rid of him (bad move I think but..). As far as league rep goes, that can change fast. Remmeber when the Pats were the league laughing stock? Or how about the Colts? UFA's care about one thing, getting paid. Some are looking for a ring and will take less to win but if you survive long enough to test the waters, you know it is your big chance to get set up for life. Issues aside, The Danny has never been shy about coughing up the cash. I think he's making the wrong move on the coaching thing but no reason to drive off the cliff yet. Heck, maybe Jack Pardee is available!

Posted by: rmfsports | January 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow! All those who were foaming at the mouth over how long the process was taking are going to love this. I genuinely fear for the sanity and safety of some of the people who have been blogging on here the last day or two. We just need to chill and let what will be, well, be.

Was rooting for Williams to get the gig but that ain't gonna happen now. Would like to see McDaniels get it now.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Apologies - I can see how that reads badly...I did not mean it in that way...I would be happy someone (webmaster) strikes my note off...gives the wrong idea...it was written with a different perspective.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have an email address for Coach Gibbs?

Posted by: Lisa | January 24, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe's gone for two weeks and look what happens. No communication by management with the coaching staff at all in 16 days?!!! This seems like the shabby underbelly of corporate America Darwinian politics at its worst. Where's Dilbert?

The great thing about being a 'Skins fan with Gibbs in charge, and especially under Mr. Cooke, was that the organization had dignity and class. When the 'Skins won you could feel the good guys won. The players had gravitas and character. You felt an emotional respect for the organization. And when they won, it made you feel maybe a little better about yourself, about what is possible. You felt it like a nostalgia, like the gold and orange light of a late October afternoon, to see your breath in the cool air and to think about last week's game and next week's, with a sense of connection and heightened possibility.

This fellow who owns the team now seems bent on destroying every last shred of that. Eventually he'll blow up his P&L statement too.

I am about to retire as a 'Skins fan. Who to root for now? I can't bear to root for Philly. Dallas is totally out of the question. Maybe New York? They're kind of classy, and the way they took Coughlin to the wood shed about his drama queen act rather than fire him--and now look at them.

Can I bear to say it, Go Giants! Oh my God. :-0

Posted by: Craazyman | January 24, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense...

Ya think?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, there is a "contact us" link on his website, (joegibbsonline.com) but I'm not sure it goes directly to him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

If the coaching search is really going to last for 2-3 more weeks, TheCindy will need to revise her blog count goal. At the current rate, we will reach 200,000 by Draft Weekend.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced if the NFL let them draft a dream team of coaches from across the league, the team would still struggle as long as Chief Beltbuckle Danny and his squaw Vinny Kissbutt are running the show. What a joke.

Posted by: bbake | January 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

That was a terrible comment by "Political_Strategst" - we definitely need some comment review on here.

This coaching search is a debacle. Will Williams be willing to stay as HC now, even of the job is offered? Doubtful. I thought, perhaps, they were going to make Williams HC, Fassel OC and Ryan or Schwartz DC - but I guess that would make too much sense.

By the way, if our "talent evaluator" is sitting in Potomac, who the heck is scouting for this team? Not our future ex-assistant coaches, that's fo sure.

Posted by: MKPAPPAS | January 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs with the classy move, giving the coaches an update. I can see why people love working and playing for him.

Skins were lucky to have him.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line - none of the candidates in the Super Bowl are markedly better than what is already available.

This appointment should have come this week.

This process is like a pregnancy - the baby must be born no later than 9 months.

Later is not good in any way.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Seems like there should be a way to track which assistant coaches have contracts that are about to expire (and which ones are still under contract), you know, and how to defer the interviews that seem like they would be used as leverage by the interviewee to get his own team to re-negotiate and enhance that contract.

Actually, seems like there might be lots of ways to do this more nimbly.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process."

I wish I could believe that Jason, but all indications over the years is that Leprechaun Danny could care less what the fans really think and more about his change purse.

Again, hiring a new coach is part of the process. Gibbs retired after all. But whomever told him Fassell could coach is beyond me. How many times does a guy get canned before people realize that he can't coach?

It's not so much Gregg Williams, but it's about Leprechuan Danny. At least to me.

You bring a new coaching staff in and they are going to blow up the team, it always happens.

How many years are they going to be "rebuilding" this team anyway?

It's very frustrating being a Redskins fan right now, the team clearly has NO direction and it's only getting worse not better.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Apologies - I can see how that reads badly...I did not mean it in that way...I would be happy someone (webmaster) strikes my note off...gives the wrong idea...it was written with a different perspective.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 24, 2008 05:18 PM

Really. You see how that reads badly. I'm so proud of you. Please enlighten us on what the right idea and that different perspective are supposed to be. I'm dying to know.

Posted by: kleewrite | January 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The reactions of our comrades at Extremeskins to this coach search debacle is just as hysterical as here. Beavis and Butthead must be proud.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the NFL wont touch the Redskins now. Can you say....
COACH SYNDER?!?!?!

Posted by: harrelsonw | January 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Why are they ASSuming that those SB coordinators would even be interested in interviewing? McDaniels already said he's not interviewing and there will be more jobs next year with better front office/ownership structures.

It's like your first 3 choices in the vending machine are gone. Just go ahead and take E4: peanut butter crackers.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Redskins fan for more than 30 years, and if this nimrod owner hires anyone but Gregg Williams I will not watch one single game next year(though it's sometimes difficult to see games anyway, since I live in the Tampa area). All the crap Snydley spewed about wanting continuity and wanting to build off of last year makes him look like a big fat liar. Granted, it's his perogative to hire whoever he wants and JKC Stadium(refuse to call it the other name) will still be sold out no matter who he hires. But if he truly cared about his players and Redskin fans he will hire GW and give him a year. If they tank, you fire him and hire Cowher. If he's successful then he's a genius. If this dink hires Fassel, he should be run out of town on his jet never to return.

Posted by: dsheppard | January 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line - none of the candidates in the Super Bowl are markedly better than what is already available."

If this is truly the case then why not hire Williams as head coach and give it a shot? What is the worst thing that can happen?

If it doesn't work out then you fire him a year from now and bring on Cowher. You don't just blow everything up because you want to prove you're the owner to everyone.

It seems like Leprechaun Danny just wants to play with his toy is all, it sucks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

where's Pepper when you need him?

Posted by: jclansburgh | January 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

OK, waiting until after SB seems reasonable. If only to prevent Dan from anointing a stale retread like Fassel. I think GW should walk away now too, but he ain't stupid. Make Dan fire you and pay out the rest of the contract. What a win-win - don't have to work for Vinny, and still get paid. I hope the rest of the staff get the same deal, because it must suck to twist in the breeze like that.

It is indeed a sad state of affairs when Dan and Vinny, flying around the country in Redskins One loaded with bags full of cash, can't close the deal on a bunch of assistant coaches.

Man, I love this stuff! I can't believe how quiet it's been the past four years!

Posted by: terrdeac | January 24, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"If they tank, you fire him and hire Cowher."

Lol, exactly!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The scouts who work for Vinny are who is scouting right now, at the Senior Bowl primarily this week.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

so maybe flapjacks really did piss coach joe off when he sent 10 guys out to start the game without telling anyone . . . . he must have really hurt Danny's feelings.

Posted by: jclansburgh | January 24, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

The big wheel turns. Did Snyder really think that Norv would let his QB coach go to the Skins. Time for a little payback for the Danny.

Posted by: i155133 | January 24, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could believe that Jason, but all indications over the years is that Leprechaun Danny could care less what the fans really think and more about his change purse.

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 05:25 PM

Hey why are you picking on the Irish. I happen to know that Snyder isn't Irish and no leprechaun would mess up this badly.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"The scouts who work for Vinny are who is scouting right now, at the Senior Bowl primarily this week."

Yeah well it's not like they are going to draft any of those guys, they will just trade the picks away.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

If Gregg doesn't get the HC job it would be an insult!!! He carried us to our last two postseason appareances...and carried us on our only postseason win in a decade.
Yes, he had a bad year last year...and it was evidenced directly in the record, because the offense couldn't compensate (just like he did two years ago and this year). Come on. He got the job done, other coaches want him, players want him, fans want him...but the only person that matters...Baby Snyder, doesn't...what a shame..

Posted by: SKINS4LIFE2 | January 24, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought Snyder was a scientologist (the people that believe E.T. and Tom Cruise will one day mate and produce millions of little green men with creepy grins who will lead us to the promised land for a reasonable seven-figure donation).

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 24, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Other teams around the league are getting on with the off-season ... you know, hiring assistants, finding the available free agents who can be brought in now that the the roster isn't capped any more, maps, such as ...

See, for example, San Diego. Not only do they fire a position coach, they also replace him. http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80634d72&template=with-video&confirm=true But, you know, its probably OK to wait on these types of decisions, because they can just be filled by anyone, whenever. Good thing the VP of Player Personnel got promoted to EVP of Football Operations. Things are running as smoothly as silk. Keep it up!

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Hey why are you picking on the Irish. I happen to know that Snyder isn't Irish and no leprechaun would mess up this badly."

Lol, you're probably right. :)

Sorry little green guys. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Snyder just doesn't get it fans and players don't want Fassel, Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels. We want Greg Williams!! DO YOU HEAR THAT SNYDER? If Williams sucks hire one of these guys next year, i can promise Fassel will be free.

Posted by: taylorje757 | January 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I gave up my season tickets this past season. This coming season I may give up rooting for the team and watching the games. This owner simply makes it too difficult to enjoy being a fan any longer, and the only thing he will understand is his revenue dropping. As long as Washington fans pay for this unprofessional mess, it will continue. It's become clear Snyder is incapable on his own of learning how to be an owner or run a quality NFL franchise like Pittsburgh or New England.

Posted by: dperelman3328 | January 24, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is an ignorant delusional clown. It's a real shame that this guy owns our team, to say the least. My anger and frustration with him are very strong.
But this idiot nazi "stratgyst" should be kicked out in the alley for good too.
- Goldenfried

Posted by: Matetyahu | January 24, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the NFL wont touch the Redskins now. Can you say....
COACH SYNDER?!?!?!

Posted by: harrelsonw | January 24, 2008 05:28 PM

Yep. I've been saying it for about a week now, but that was based on Snyder telling the truth about continuity:

1. Coach Williams
2. Coach Snyder
3. Coach Spineless Pawn

If Snyder blows up the team, all bets are off. Likewise, since Snyders seems to be burning so many bridges along the way (with his current staff), all bets are off.

The burning question in my mind: What happened in those 4 interviews with Williams? What was (were) the sticking point(s)?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh no. Just when things couldn't get any worse ... Kucinich just dropped out of the Presidential race.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep the heat on the whole Fossil thing. It bought us a little time (maybe we had something to do with it) but we're not out of the woods yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION: SEASON TICKET HOLDERS!!!

When you get bad service at a restaurant, do you keep going back, hoping it will improve? When the chefs burn your food, do you keep returning because you are hopeful they will slowly return and get better? When you buy furniture that turns out to be garbage, do you buy more from the same place?

THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP RENEWING YOUR SEASON TICKETS???

Send Beavis and Butthead the only message they will understand: CANCEL YOUR SEASON TICKETS AND STOP SUPPORTING THESE JOKERS FINANCIALLY.

Thank you very much. We will now return to our normal programming.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Apologies -


Pol_strat you should have stopped there. I know you weren't thinking. Going further only confirmed it.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I know that the Constitution outlines the procedures for impeachemnt and removal of a president but doesn't make any reference to how this is done in regards to an NFL team owner???

If anyone is aware of how to do this, please share...

Where's Capt'n Kent Cook when we need him???

(He died, Bob...)

Oh???

Beam me up Scotty... It's gonna be another 100 years of 8-8, 7-9 and and a few 9-7 teams....

Posted by: bobnpvine | January 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

February? Is Williams really in the mix then? I can live with an extended coaching search if that's what it takes to find someone they're comfortable with. But this whole soap opera with keeping Williams (and now Fassel too) around ostensibly as a coaching candidate is ridiculous. Addtionally, if Fassel's their guy they should ignore what the fans are saying and just hire him. Isn't Vinny being paid to make these sort of calls now?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 24, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

If Fassel is coach then I find another team to root for.

Danny Boy... take your head out of we all know where.

Posted by: rl_cameron | January 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous Prediction Time

I give it 2 weeks before the unveiling of Joe Gibbs, part III

You know Tom's texting Dan about all the successful hollywood trilogies and the box office bonanza they produced. Plus, he's already unmasked Gregg Williams as a Suppressive Person, so Gregg's HC chances are up in smoke.

Just give it some time...

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I just want to take a moment to praise myself for my excellent self control.

I work as a consultant at a big company that has many buildings spread out over its campus (no, not that one), and I had to go to a meeting today in a building to which I had never been. As I turned to walk down a corridor toward the conference room that was my destination in this unfamiliar building, the name plate on the very first cube that I passed read "Dan Snyder."

I didn't lay a finger on the guy. Didn't even give him a dirty look.

I am in the shabingus, but I am not of the shabingus.

Thank you.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

With all these baseless worthless opinions about the coaching search, I'm becoming numb.
Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be. This is much ado about nothing. I would be with everyone if the leading candidate was Rich Kotite, but this nonsense is getting ridiculous.

Posted by: croftonpost | January 24, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Snyderrato are just doing their due diligence. There's a plan, people. Remember, nothing's broken here!

Posted by: cvdterp | January 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Kotite? Fossil? What's the difference?

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Re: the anti-Semitic post: what Herb et al. said. I'd be inclined to accept PS' retraction/apology, though. I can't understand what would motivate such a comment, but most real WWW anti-Semites would never retract it; they'd be proud.

Good news is, Fassel was run up the flag pole, nobody saluted, so it looks like the search is on again. I'm personally not enamored of GWill, not pro, not anti either. I'd consider D Green. He's of the Walsh coaching tree, he was pretty decent in MIN (he got B Billick a nice little run in BAL), he wasn't successful in AZ (but who is) and he didn't exactly leave the cupboard bare there. I'm not saying hire, but I'd talk to him. I'd sure take him over Jim "Has anyone seen Kotite and him in the same room" Fassel. But then, I'd take Bruce Coslet over Fassel . . .when one of your best friends fires you because you are THAT BAD, you are, in fact, that bad.

PS You should never hire someone beyond their demonstrated competency. Give Fassel QB guru status; he has still not demonstrated competence as an OC or HC.

Posted by: gbooksdc | January 24, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Next step in the search:

OPEN COACHING AUDITIONS!

Have you ever wanted to coach a professional football team? Well, here's your chance! Apply immediately - auditions begin soon!

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Snyder just doesn't get it fans and players don't want Fassel, Steve Spaguolo or Josh McDaniels. We want Greg Williams!! DO YOU HEAR THAT SNYDER? If Williams sucks hire one of these guys next year, i can promise Fassel will be free.

YOU don't get it lol, Snyder doesn't care what the fans want or the players for that matter. Becreful what you wish for, GW was 17-32 in Buffalo and no playoffs ! the team will continue to be mediocre as long as little napoleon owns it !

Posted by: Davo61 | January 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, Danny, it is ALL about YOU, isn't it?

Posted by: driley | January 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Hi. I'm Dan Snyder. I'm an idiot."

Posted by: philipwhite1 | January 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the post yesterday outlining the pending insurrection on the D side of the ball in 2006 should give everyone pause on the Grilliams hire. Yeah, he got the control back and changed his scheme to match his talent. How much of that was him and how much was Gibbs. I can see Gibbs and Vinny looking at GG and saying "You get one FA and Landry, that's it go make it work or start packing." But as HC can you imagine GG berating CP or ARE or Moss in front of everyone. I still believe that Snyder wants a calming influence at the top and I'm not sure GG is the answer.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be.
Posted by: croftonpost | January 24, 2008 05:43 PM

We may not know this but we can sure make an educated guess.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Tafka has a point- remember when Facial took the G-men to 4-12? (I believe one of his final losses was to the skins when Danny handed Bruce Smith his sack record robe...stains and all)

Anyway, the NY fans literally stopped going to the games and the ownership responded. Ridiculous that the guy responsible for all that is the coach that Snyder wants to tap.

Posted by: jeffhayes | January 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey,

Hillary is looking for a job in Washington lol. Bill can be the DC !

Posted by: Davo61 | January 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

What to think??? On one hand, I dread a new set of actors, new playbook and more waiting for a good team to show up. On the other hand, IF Danny senses that Williams is NOT the answer, then maybe, just maybe, the extra time interviewing prospects will finally get a team of coaches here to make us think we're back in the 80's. Let's not forget, before we lost Sean, this season was about as frustrating as I can remember. What a sad commentary that it took the death of a teammate to motivate these professionals to play up to their talent level. Something needs to change!!!

Posted by: copley | January 24, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Danny is the young, hot chick with no class (metaphor people, work with me) and Greggggorio is the nice, hard working, loyal boyfriend who deserves better but doesn't have the stones to say "Cya, you ain't worth it honeycakes" I love the guy, but he needs to man up and walk. As much as I don't want him to, he doesn't deserve to be yanked around like a 2 dollar yo-yo. We've all been there. Women...billionaires...

Posted by: lmgaffney | January 24, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"The burning question in my mind: What happened in those 4 interviews with Williams? What was (were) the sticking point(s)?"

That should be easy to figure out, Williams didn't kiss Leprechuan Danny's arse.

It's kinda like that scene in Gladiator where the wuss Comodos(sp?) set his ring out for Maximus to kiss after he killed his father, and Maximus walked away knowing Comodos was a back-stabber.

I'm sure it was something like that. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

And now, as previously promised, a return to normal programming.

I bid you all Quiche.

Posted by: tafka | January 24, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has been around long enough now that the league knows his behavior. No more surprises. He has no political capital or goodwill to spend to get the next wave of coaches. And I am sure that some of the more established owners are chuckling that he is getting taken to the woodshed in a public humiliation. The once proud and storied franchise can't find a new coaching staff. Even junior coaches are willing to sit this out and stay with their current organizations. Somewhere tonight Norv, Marty and Spurrier are all having a laugh at the expense of Snyder & Co. If this debacle drags on into February, any new staff will have to rely on the off-season work being done by Williams and Saunders et. al. Some irony there - a new regime playing out the agenda of the previous staff. The next wave will be agents refusing to have their client's contracts renegotiated and demands for trades out of town. This is only the beginning. Snyder is reaping what he has sown. Don't confuse making money with being a successful, principled leader.

Posted by: i155133 | January 24, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I was a Williams fan, but Fassel isn't the worst choice in the world. What IS ridiculous is how this process has turned into a three ring circus. It also demonstrates that Danny Boy and Vinny learned nothing from Gibbs about football, the football business or common decency. Which is really disheartening.

Posted by: poguesmahone | January 24, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder is looking for someone that can provide a calming influence emotionally but has the drive and passion that Gibbs lacked this time around. That is not GG. You get in his dog house and you are done. Ask Arrington.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Lauren and the kids are going to love that.

By Jason La Canfora

Please cut JLC some slack, people. After what he did on the Sean Taylor story, he's earned it. This space is a blog, not a column. It's supposed to include dopey stuff like "My kid has a cold..."

This is also the price we pay for watching sausage being made (i.e., sports reporting as it happens, warts and all). I for one would still prefer Jason's updates (imperfect as they may be) to the once-a-day inanities and inaccuracies of the "other Washington newspaper."

Posted by: jaypem | January 24, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Not FOSSIL."

What's the difference? They are both OLD and used up. :P

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It's clear The Danny didn't learn much during Coach Joe's tenure. He's right back to acting, well, like The Danny. Big splash or bust!

Hire Williams!

(Of course, The Danny is more than likely to wave millions under Cowher's nose next year, no matter how well the next coach does. He can't help himself.)

Posted by: bmorris11 | January 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 05:56 PM

Freudian Slip

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | January 24, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Everyone at my work who aren't Ravens dorks are so depressed with what has happened. Seriously Mr Snyder and Mr Cerrato, do you enjoy knowing that literally all the people with whom you share this metro area DESPISE YOU WITH ACUTE PASSION? JIM FASSELL? By god man do you know now that no good coach will ever EVER come to DC again to lead this once proud franchise while you own it?? That you have destroyed that which you love?

Sell this team now. You've made what $500 million? Call it a day sir.

Posted by: settleten | January 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

NEWS 4's top story is a written proposal from fenty to the skins to bring them back to dc

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

So what are the odds that this extends beyond the Super Bowl, Snyder is further rebuffed in his efforts to find another coach, and he finally gives in and offers the job to GggW? It's a "Well, look who's come crawling back" moment, and Snyder's hand is forced into giving GggW whatever it was that GggW wanted in the first place.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Bring back the Tracker...I think we're gonna need it.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

This process is like a pregnancy - the baby must be born no later than 9 months.

Later is not good in any way.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 05:25 PM


I was two weeks late, what are you saying??? Haha

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

His Momma called him Fossil, Ima call him Fossil.

Dude, we know, everyone gets a nickname up here.


"all indications coming from the braintrust "


Sorry Jason what is this "braintrust" you speak of?

Posted by: Skinz | January 24, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

u know every year there a new circus in town, unfortunately its the Redskins.

In this last go round, i lost many years of adoration and respect for joe Gibbs. Being the messenger boy today is a classic reason why.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 24, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

With all these baseless worthless opinions about the coaching search, I'm becoming numb.
Here's the truth people, none of us know who will ultimately be a good coach and who won't be. This is much ado about nothing. I would be with everyone if the leading candidate was Rich Kotite, but this nonsense is getting ridiculous.


Posted by: croftonpost | January 24, 2008 05:43 PM

Wow, someone who makes some sense. What happens if GW takes the team next year to 6-10. Well, I can tell you. Fire GW!!!!!!!!! I love it how emotionaly attached everyone is to Joe Gibbs and who he brought in. Let it go people and stop living in the past.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Real Redskins player news! Young guys signed to the off-season roster.....

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34070

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

McDaniel, being schooled in NE, would never come close to this situation. Career killer. He knows where his bread is buttered. Same for Zorn. Fassel just wants back in the game as well as the big payday - get his chips on the table. Schwartz is a disciple of Williams and I would doubt that he would submarine his mentor. Snyder & Co. are too clever by half. And it's delicious irony that all this mayhem follows the Cerrato EVP announcement. Last I checked, the sorry, no account Dolphins aren't having problems staffing up.

Posted by: i155133 | January 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The Owner (and this EVP) are probably thinking about how to take a mulligan on this one. He is, after all, a marketing and communications genius. Maybe re-branding Fassel might work ... how about Coach Fassizzel? The all new, young, go getter coach? No? OK. Never mind.

[Personally, I am not strong anti-Fassel ... just having some fun with words here.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Please people, If we learn anything through all this, the name if FASSEL!!!!! Not FOSSIL. I feel better now.

Posted by: jmich001 | January 24, 2008 05:56 PM
Hey moron! We know that! Ever heard of sarcasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

To jaypem's point... as a former newsman, being on assigment beats you down. The demands of a 9-5 job are no comparision whatsoever. I know because I have one now. Your phone never stops ringing, you never know when you'll be off the clock and it definitely takes its toll on your home life. Plus, part of the blog is getting a look into everyone's personal life beyond the stories that get filed here. Show the guy some respect.

Posted by: jeffhayes | January 24, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

WTF??? Are you saying that your wife and children have a problem with you doing your job? Jason, you need to either grow a pair or find another line of work. I know that the life of a newspaper schlub like yourself is not always glamorous, but sometimes a beat reporter needs to hunker down for a while and follow the story no matter where it goes. You have a ton of downtime between the draft and training camp, so suck it up...no one cares about how hard your life is.

Posted by: reddog_22039 | January 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey moron! We know that! Ever heard of sarcasm.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 06:06 PM

"Earth to Meekus..."

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take and preference:
1- Apologize to Williams and get him as HC
2- short of that, take a gamble on a new coach hotshot. Russ Grimm anyone?

If I don't see Williams as coach, Grimm, or someone new, I'm done as a fan. I get my Sundays back. And I say this as a 3rd generation hard-core fan, pulled out of elementary school to attend two championship parades.

Question I have is how much of an influence can Gibbs have over Snyder and Smithers (I mean Vinny) if this is how things are run?

Posted by: hyperbanana | January 24, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Snyder is indeed looking for an offensive mind (no pun intended) to be the head coach.

Because there is a limited pool of talent out there, the best thing that Snyder can do (besides the obvious promotion of Grilliams) is to hire away the best talent he can afford from other teams, preferably those in the NFC East.

This would at least have the happy side effect of disabling our opponents.

Bright young minds would help a lot.

On that note, please save Olivetti.
Pretty please!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Olive....confetti....Olivetti!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is running this franchise like a Corporation and not a Football organization...he doesn't get it...this is FOOTBALL...not some company with an IPO...FANS are the ones that are keeping you in business...and have been making this team the NUMBER ONE grossing franchise in the league...you can still make money AND keep us happy you IDIOIT!!! All this would have been done if we hired Gregg on...come on DAN...are you getting too old? Are you at the end of your ropes trying to bring a Super Bowl back to DC??...you are a CLOWN!!! Vinny your butt-buddy is the absolute WORST...the perfect definition of a Martini Redskin fan that gets drunk in the 1st quarter and finds out what happened in the game AFTERWARDS...this is such a joke..

Posted by: exp23 | January 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Joe will u please call the coaches and tell them lil danny is sorry. I know i tried to give there jobs away last night, but i was just foolin. Cmon dan i know u suck but i thought u were better than that. Guess not!!

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

It's really a shame how the "so called" leadership in Ashburn is treating it's coaches....leaving them in limbo like that...it really is sicknening!!

How can Snyder expect to have anyone respect him?!

Posted by: lsg45 | January 24, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts...

- If The Danny is not convinced that Williams is his guy, he should not hire him.

- The fact that Ryan and Zorn are not coming to Washington (assuming the FO wants them) does not mean that no one wants to work for The Danny. I know I would not want to uproot my family for a lateral move (it is essentially a lateral move for Zorn giving the expectation, i.e. promise, that he will be Seattle OC in a year).

- It is good that this process is taking time. No need to rush into big changes.

- It may have been a foregone conclusion that Weird Al was gone next year unless he was named HC. With him being gone, there was always going to be a new offensive system.

All that being said, I am still not a Fossil fan. As I look back on his tenure, I can't recall any standout Gints. He certainly never had a quarterback - K. Collins I seem to recall. What talent did he have to work with? Tiki during his fumblitis years?

Help me out here - I know Fossil's overall win/loss record is not stellar, but he did bring them to the Super Bowl. What talent did he have on the team?

Posted by: CBT | January 24, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Let it go people and stop living in the past."

Read more then one bloggers notes before you pass judgement on us all please.

Give Williams a year, if he fails then you cut him loose and bring in Cowher.

This all started when Fassell got into the mix anyway. It's not so much Williams as it is that Fassell has been fired so many times it's not even funny. This and you know he's going to blow up the team right after he praised "continuity" at Gibbs presser.

If there is nothing better out there right now then what does it hurt to give the guy a shot? If he fails then you've lost nothing. Leprechaun Danny has learned absolutely nothing.

Jim Fassell, your NEW head coach of the Washington Redskins.

Yeah right....barf!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

4-12, good to see they're locking up potential young guys like Mason, Eubanks and Westbrook!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

U know its not so much Fassel its not so much not hirin Gregg. Like its been said on here a couple times it just the way its being handled. Have some respect for the coaches that have been here and worked for u through Gibbs tenure. I mean just show some class for gods sake!! I mean these guys have familys let em no where they stand. Just hangin them all out to dry like this is sickening. Why would anyone want to come here and coach if this is what they can expect.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually happy for Jim Zorn that he's staying in Seattle. Can't argue with quality of life, and in a year he'll be OC for the Seahawks and will get to remain in the city he knows and loves and which knows and loves him.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Real Redskins player news! Young guys signed to the off-season roster ..."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34070

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 06:04 PM

4-12,

Peeps coming here nowadays aren't interested in Redskin Player News; they just want to b!tch at the head coach situation (or b!tch at peeps who are b!tching about the head coach situation).

Nice pull though. Still, I'm not sure I would call it "news" ... it was "news" back on January 18th in THIS thread at 3:57pm. http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/meeksmora.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

4-12, good to see they're locking up potential young guys like Mason, Eubanks and Westbrook!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 06:17 PM

Verdun-Wheeler has some real potential, too.

Whatever happened to Dallas Sartz? Is he a free agent or did another team pick him up?

Posted by: CBT | January 24, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I think it's a little unfair to automatically blame Danny for all this, for all we know Gregg is the candidate Snyder likes best, but Williams might have demanded the same sort of control that Gibbs had, so Danny is holding out, looking at other candidates, maybe in the hope that Williams will back down from his demands.

We don't know what the specifics of the situation are, there is a chance, albeit small, the The Danny IS doing the right thing.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

kost, sween- Figured I try to get a little football talk going. Not much left to gripe about with the coach situation, and it's been a slow day for "bizarre yet irritatingly relevant" news.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh no. Just when things couldn't get any worse ... Kucinich just dropped out of the Presidential race.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 05:38 PM

This is good news. We have an opening for an offensive coordinator and he's about as offensive as they get. Does Mr. Snyder have his number.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

And for that, 4-12, I applaud you.

Did you notice my attempt to try and recycle the "bizarre but delicious" deep fried hot dogs wrapped in bacon and stuffed with cheeze-whiz link?

Also, that bacon cheddar meatloaf with pork and veal has been haunting me all day.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

kost--

I'm in agreement with your scenario. I think Williams overplayed his hand and Snyder spent four meetings with him trying to find a compromise. But I also think what the sticking point could have been was not player control but coach control. Dan may want to select the OC and the DC. Remember, that's why he fired Marty when Marty wouldn't switch his OC. Snyder's a bit of a micromanager, no?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 6:03 p.m. EST, January 24, 2008

RYAN WILLING TO WORK FOR HARBAUGH by Michael David Smith

Despite getting passed over for the head coaching job in Baltimore, Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan says he's content to stick around next year on the staff of new head coach John Harbaugh.

"I know people in the organization, I'm not uncomfortable with what happened, I know John Harbaugh and I like him. If I don't get hired, I'm glad he did," Ryan said today, per Jamison Hensley of the Baltimore Sun.

Ryan is still under contract to the Ravens, has been scouting for them at Senior Bowl practices this week, and he tells Hensley that he's happy to stay there. He did hint that he would like a raise, however.

"I hope everything works out financially, but I'm going right to my office at the Ravens tomorrow," Ryan said.

from pft.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I missed that attempt sween. Been dropping in and out up here today...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I find the mention that Gibbs is telling the assistant coaches what the poop is is actually hilarious. Didn't Joe go to North Carolina for the fortnight? I think that whatever Joe says now is basically without credibility. If I were a an assistant coach I would be wondering WTF even as Joe was talking.

On the other hand, maybe Joe said something like, "Boys, we cashed in on Danny's money for 4 mediocre years. This gig is all played out now. I would be speed dialing for other team's openings now. ....Oh gosh, I guess it might be kind of late in season for that. Sorry."

Posted by: driley | January 24, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Hayes is the man!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

The Packers Bikini Girls are back. "More pub, but won't wear less." Uh, somebody get Heff on the phone.

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/14179697.html

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

TE - Definitely, maybe Dan wants to cut ties with Saunders and Gregg does not.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

sween--

You had some player names the other day that you'd gotten out of Wikipedia. Have you found out whether they're really on the roster or just another Wikipedia hoax?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

sween--

Never mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

maybe Joe said something like, " This gig is all played out now. I would be speed dialing for other team's openings now."

Posted by: driley | January 24, 2008 06:31 PM

More likely he's trying to hire six or seven of them to change tires on the pit crew at Joe Gibbs Racing. I'm sure Bugel and Breaux are good with a lug wrench, or could be for the right price.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

What's the rush - no other team is looking for a head coach anymore.

Posted by: david | January 24, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has as much class as a street-walker. He is the one who created this mess. Everyone kissing his butt, it is time you take your head from where the sun don't shine and smell the roses.

I don't agree with Snyder not giving the head coaching job to Williams but that is his prerogative. I don't blame Vinnie for trying to get as much power as he can, who wouldn't.

I blame Gibbs for creating such a mess.

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs has as much class as a street-walker. He is the one who created this mess. Everyone kissing his butt, it is time you take your head from where the sun don't shine and smell the roses.

I don't agree with Snyder not giving the head coaching job to Williams but that is his prerogative. I don't blame Vinnie for trying to get as much power as he can, who wouldn't.

I blame Gibbs for creating such a mess.

Posted by: opita | January 24, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

What's the rush - no other team is looking for a head coach anymore.

Posted by: david | January 24, 2008 06:42 PM

No, but they're looking for assistant coaches and coordinators. After they're finished all we can do is raid Steve Spurrier's staff at South Carolina.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 24, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

At this point, Snyder SHOULD wait until after the SB. My motto is "don't settle, always look for the best." For a guy like Snyder, to who money is no object, all the more reason to look for the best available. If all else fails, and he really wanted Cowher, he could have deposited $2M in Cowher's bank and let him smell the money that would be his if he coached the Skins. That ship of course sailed when Vinny was officially made head "Yes Man" at Redskins Park. Cowher ain't no Yes Man, no are most of the other 'candidates' including Williams. That's why Danny keeps looking.

Posted by: bfjam | January 24, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing here is that Dan and Vinny now have stomped out any positive vibes the club had at the end of the season. Dan is rubbing the current coaches and players the wrong way without Gibbs there to smooth everything over. Does Dan really think these players are going to want to restructure there contracts for this crap. Coaches are now running away from us and reupping with there current teams. You are not going to pull coaches away from moderately successful teams for this and to coach under Fassel. No one is going to drop what they are doing for good old Jim. Danny and Vinny have made a big PR problem and internal problem which only hire Greg Williams will now solve. Greg most likely will not take the job.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | January 24, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

bfjam - That's right, when you're hiring someone, you don't hire the best applicant if you know they can't do the job properly, you bide you time, and wait for the right person for the job.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder blows this he will be run out of town...Gibbs won't be able to save him.

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | January 24, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Just read Don Banks from SI's Mock Draft. He has DE Calais Campbell being taken before we pick, and then has us taking Limas Sweed.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

hey guys i just drove by snyders house and i saw chris hamburger walking in with dave butz and what looked like an agent.

Posted by: gpizzano | January 24, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"That's right, when you're hiring someone, you don't hire the best applicant if you know they can't do the job properly, you bide you time, and wait for the right person for the job."

And that person is Jim Fassell?

Com'on now.

He would have been hired last night if they could have gotten Zorn and Ryan.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Ryan Seacrest will be leading us into training camp....

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 24, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Ray, we don't know that though, do we? That's just what apparent 'sources' are telling us.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The latest I heard on WRC was the GW had "not been ruled out." Wow, what a ringing endorsement. If I were him, I'd be close to packing my bags and heading out of town. He'll be snapped up in minutes.

Seems like the only reason Fassel hasn't been hired yet is Snyder is having problems filling out the rest of Fassel's staff.

Fassel had three winning seasons in seven years with the Giants despite a lot of talent. They finished third or worse four of those years. In the three years they made the playoffs, they went one and done in two of those years. So, the Giants under Fassel never won a playoff game except for 2000, when they got blown out by the Ravens in the Super Bowl, 34-7.

In his two full years with the Ravens as offensive coordinator in 2004/2005, they were near the bottom of the league statistically, 20th and 25th respectively, culminating in Billick firing him, taking over the job after six games, improving the offense (finished at 12th), and winning 9 of the last 10 games to finish 13-3.

Am I missing something? Isn't there a reason he hasn't landed another head coaching job since getting the axe in NY four years ago? Isn't there a reason he was out of coaching totally after his firing in 2006? Why is he even being considered?

Leave it to Snyder to completely burn up the good will he earned as a result of his classy handling of the Sean Taylor tragedy.

Ugh.

Posted by: johnwp | January 24, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Great news.

Hey, how about Sonny/Sam as co-head-coaches?

Posted by: info | January 24, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

would somebody punch snyder in the face so he could feel how it hurts because he is hurting the redskins and their fans

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok you guys are just plain ridicules...I don't undertsnad why you are bashing Danny for taking his time to find the RIGHT guy for the HC position...I would be doing the samething...It's not like willaims has the best track record being a HC so you must be cautious...I DON'T SEE any OTHER TEAMS BANGING DOWN GW's DOOR FOR A HC JOB!!!! Their is reason for that...he was a hc once and he failed...and failed badly...I just am beside myself that all of you think anyone is being treated badly....HOW? EXPLIAN HOW? By taking your time to pick the right guy? Investigating coaches to see what and if you culd get a coach if you wanted to? IT's Called OPTIONS folks....I see NOTHING wrong with thinking it through....I bet ya if he would have hired somebody quickly you would all be bashing him for doing it too quick...You guys just crack me up...ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Ok you guys are just plain ridicules...I don't undertsnad why you are bashing Danny for taking his time to find the RIGHT guy for the HC position...I would be doing the samething...It's not like willaims has the best track record being a HC so you must be cautious...I DON'T SEE any OTHER TEAMS BANGING DOWN GW's DOOR FOR A HC JOB!!!! Their is reason for that...he was a hc once and he failed...and failed badly...I just am beside myself that all of you think anyone is being treated badly....HOW? EXPLIAN HOW? By taking your time to pick the right guy? Investigating coaches to see what and if you culd get a coach if you wanted to? IT's Called OPTIONS folks....I see NOTHING wrong with thinking it through....I bet ya if he would have hired somebody quickly you would all be bashing him for doing it too quick...You guys just crack me up...ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:15 PM

All of us huh? I never bashed Gibbs. And I'm not bashing Danny for taking his time. I'm bashing him because he is alienating people with his closed lipped approach and even considering someone like Fassil.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

leevi you should be upset

the only reason people are upset because we want some stability. Lets not change our scheme, coaches, or players. lets work to get better at what we do. rather than learning something all over again, which is what snyder has done since he has been here... plain and simple

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

hey levi 501s (button fly) that not true, i know jack! he used to post often. at the time he seemed cranky but you new school crank-offs make him look like an Librarian in an Iowa elem. school!

jack did have one lasting legacy wich i will show here:

SJK Barno!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

no way that mcdaniles will get a job in here no brady,moss,welker or something

Posted by: kirubel94 | January 24, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

All of us huh? I never bashed Gibbs. And I'm not bashing Danny for taking his time. I'm bashing him because he is alienating people with his closed lipped approach and even considering someone like Fassil.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 07:20 PM

Yes 90% of people in here have been bashing Gibbs for 4 years...Who has he wronged in his coaching search? WHO? He is looking at all his options...I see nothing worng with that.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

I am not new here

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Chats-

Andrew (Indianapolis, IN): Do you know of any way Redskins fans can formally protest Dan Snyder's debacle of an owner to the league? This is getting outrageous, year after year it is the same thing.

Matt Mosley: Andrew:

I'll look into this for you. I'm not sure a formal protest will accomplish much with this guy. He's not really known as being an effective listener. I'll admit this coaching search has been somewhat bizarre. But you have to admit it's sort of fun to see who he pulls out of a hat every week. If he was smart, he'd hire Williams or Jim Schwartz from Tennessee and move on down the road. Don't see it happening though.

Kevin (Manassas): If you had to guess as of now, will Jim Fassel be the Redskins next head coach?

Keith Kidd: You know what, I don't know. Obviously, they want to get it right and I guess Gregg Williams has yet to close the deal. I think Fassel is the leader in the clubhouse right now. The process is not over, but is nearing an end. The only guy I would guess they would want to talk with in the Super Bowl is Steve Spagnolia.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I tell you who he has wronged. Greg Williams. the only reason we have been as good as we have been Greg Williams and his defense

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

leevi you should be upset

the only reason people are upset because we want some stability. Lets not change our scheme, coaches, or players. lets work to get better at what we do. rather than learning something all over again, which is what snyder has done since he has been here... plain and simple

So what your saying is you want to keep having 9 & 7 seasons ..with a midseaon meltdown every year and then have to win 6 games to get into the playoffs? OK I do NOT share your opinion

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to Jack

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes 90% of people in here have been bashing Gibbs for 4 years...Who has he wronged in his coaching search? WHO? He is looking at all his options...I see nothing worng with that.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:21 PM

Check your math 90% is not 100%(all).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I tell you who he has wronged. Greg Williams. the only reason we have been as good as we have been Greg Williams and his defense

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 07:24 PM

You talking about the SAME defense that has caved so many games after we have had the lead I cant even count? The Same Willimas who a year ago lost his players and the defense was one of the worst in the league? The Same defense that let the Hawks march down and get a TD to take the lead after allowing a TD and two fGs before that? You talking about the same williams that was a complete failure as a HC and nobody in the world wants as a HC except Skins Fans? OH YEAH THAT WILLIAMS

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

once again leevi you are not getting it. we need to build on what we have. not change it up completely

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

*Bounce the anti-semitism from political-strategist. If someone don't have the filter to think before you send it, they don't deserve the freedom of using these boards -- apology or not. Something else he wrote seemed pretty hateful the other day but I forget what it was...

Gibbs is just trying to instill some sense of professionalism in this dysfunctional mess. Doesn't want to be a part of it/can't stand what a clusterF things become the moment he walks out the door.

In 1997 I took my Orioles hat to the backyard, took some kerosene, and lit that baby up. Promised myself I'd never root for them until Angelos sold the team. The Nats moving in has made things easier, but I haven't looked back.

Are helmets flammable?

Posted by: minorthread | January 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

levi's acid wash, i know ur not new, i was speaking to the new school angst monsters! sorta had ur back in a lighthearted jokey way...

jeesh rough crowd, i hear the veal is good and dont forget to take care of the wait staff...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If I was GG and did not get hired I would not mind setting at home relaxing making like 2 million a year. Also we do not know if GG has been in the loop or not. All we are getting is rumors. Let's just see how all of this shakes out.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I think that most of the problem here is that there is a lot of speculation and opinion going around and no facts. People were interviewed, no one hired yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Why this failed coach? they can't do better than Jim Fassell. Idiocy again with the Redskins. Why not Russ Grimm? Or Coach Williams?

Posted by: jerryva460 | January 24, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Im sorry but dont bash me because I do not agree with most of you that Greg Willaims is all of sudden a Great coach and somebody we can't live without...I do not think Greg Williams will take this team to greater places

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Seriously, how long can it take you to post on or two updates a day that you don't even bother to spell check ?

Obviously the only two people that know anything about the coaching search are Danny Boy and Vinny, and they aren't talking. Those two schmucks couldn't run a Pop Warner team.


Posted by: joeallen5 | January 24, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

he is not the choice as evidenced by his averaging less than 6 wins a year in his buffalo days. having said that, i would rather see him signed to a lifetime contract than see fossil or any other retread coach come in here.
snyders biggest asset in his past business dealings was his creativeness and willingness to take chances and i would rather see him hire a no name with potential than a coach with a history of losing.
also why has none of the many former coordinators that are already on staff been interviewed for hc, while we search for continuity.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Chrislarry..I misunderstood....I'm just reponding to many people who bash me because I don't agree that Williams is the right man for the Job....I dont want Fassil either but at least the guy was a better HC

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

From News 4 about moving the skins to dc

http://www.nbc4.com/sports/15131681/detail.html?dl=mainclick

I wonder if they owner has to move with them...

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

once again leevi you are not getting it. we need to build on what we have. not change it up completely

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 07:27 PM

I get it perfectly....You think that the last few years was a success to bulid on...You act like this team was ready for primetime...I'm just saying that I dont want a team that has mid season melt downs every year...and has to win 20 games to get in the playoffs...I want a team that people hate! I want fed ex to be feared I want to be a team that other teams fear...Not the team we have now..

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

There was a commercial on TV in which some guy was trying to catch a crocodile for shoes. My wife burst out laughing thinking of your blond story.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 24, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Do people make stadiums with natural grass anymore? What do you guys think of the sway towards turf fields, knowing that it could point towards the demise of smashmouth football?

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I get it perfectly....You think that the last few years was a success to bulid on...You act like this team was ready for primetime...I'm just saying that I dont want a team that has mid season melt downs every year...and has to win 20 games to get in the playoffs...I want a team that people hate! I want fed ex to be feared I want to be a team that other teams fear...Not the team we have now..

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:36 PM

I agree with part of this. But the last few years in comparison to the previous 13 is something to build on. Our offense played some decent to good games this year. JC had trouble at the end of a few of those games but familiarity with the system and time in it should cure those things. Your "feared" team has to start somewhere. That somewhere is already in place.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

ALl of you bashed Gibbs for 4 years in here...and now that he is gone he is GOD again after a 9 & 7 season because you are sad about Taylor....bottom line is you guys are NEVER happy...and all of you act like you know more than coaches and other people who have spent their entire lives and careers doing this and spend hours and hours and hours and hours of time watching film and players...BUT OH NO YOU GUYS KNOW MORE....THEN WHY ARE NONE OF YOU UP FOR THE HC JOB? WHY cause you no JACK NOTHING THAT"S WHY...Bunch of whining babies!

Posted by: leevi98

No NO. This is the problem the inmates are running things i.e. Dan and Vinny. If we had a football man then no sweat. but we don't. Not all of us were Gibbs haters like me. Some of use look at things sort of rationaly.

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Moving the team to anothe stadium? That dumb Fed ex is only 11 years old

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I am all for grass and no turf. The game is designed to play in the mud. Turf is for speedy fancy dome teams not smash mouth football teams. IMO

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

j la, dont worry about the haters on this site. balancing a family and an always on call job is hard and i for one respect the hell out of what you do in this page. if the haters dont like it tell them to go the mustache capital about 45 minutes north on 95 and root for the baltimore browns and and their new coach.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

No NO. This is the problem the inmates are running things i.e. Dan and Vinny. If we had a football man then no sweat. but we don't. Not all of us were Gibbs haters like me. Some of use look at things sort of rationaly.

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 07:42 PM

Inmates are running things? That would be the players my friend...Sorry but Danny is the owner not the inmate

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

at least, the fans have won for now. danny boy has heard the protests against FOSSIL!

Posted by: muktech | January 24, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

The general idea is to allow the team to build a 100,000-seat domed stadium that also could be used for Super Bowls and other major events.
from news 4

This this some sort of bad dream.

No dome no Vinny no brakes for Dan.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 07:32 PM

I will remind you that Pettibon had a better 1st season (4-12) than Norv (3-13). We will never know if Pettibon could have been a successful HC, because he was never given a chance to prove otherwise.

I will also remind you of Jim Fassel's record in his final season with the Giants: 4-12.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

for all the people who want double g, i have 2 words for you:

richie pettibone

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 07:32 PM

I will remind you that Pettibon had a better 1st season (4-12) than Norv (3-13). We will never know if Pettibon could have been a successful HC, because he was never given a chance to prove otherwise.

I will also remind you of Jim Fassel's record in his final season with the Giants: 4-12.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 07:46 PM

The team that Rich took over was very old and the Skins were at the rebuliding stage...Cant blame either of them.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse


listen up guys!!!

I realize that I may be the only fan of Danny, but cut the guy some slack. be smart and wait until he/they actually make a decision.Then if it's unacceptable to us, then we can give him the business.

What mistake has he made? just because he doesn't want Williams as his coach? Gibbs walked on his own and left this thing on his lap.We all love Joe, but let's be clear.....this team and staff was assembled
for Joe.Now Snyder must do what's in the franchises best interest.I remember once when many of the fans wanted Terry Robiskie .Danny is doing his best for us.Remember that he is actually one of us.He just happens to have billions.Dan Snyder didn't create this mess.So to put everything into perspective, it's all based on the fact that he is not comfortable with Gregg.Vinney has nothing to do with it either.What makes us think that Gregg would be a good coach? This team is close to doing something special.The mistake would be to just hand it over to Gregg and not look at other options.

As fans.....we truly don't give a damn who the coach is......we just want to win.But at least give the process an honest chance and watch this thing play out.

Posted by: getup123 | January 24, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is Dans butt boy. Dan calls the shots we know how that story goes. Do you remember!

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 07:42 PM

Inmates are running things? That would be the players my friend...Sorry but Danny is the owner not the inmate

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:45 PM

No crazy fans with lots of money are the inmates in this case. But please while I have your attention make the case for the Dan-Vinny two headed monster. Dan and Vinny, those two running the show.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Mark, haha I guess some Marketing Execs have heard the joke too!


Hawkeye, I agree, it just worries me that with the tendencies towards domes/turf, the game is going to end up being a bigger version of Arena Football. It's the NFL's fault for giving Superbowl hosting preferences to dome/turf stadiums in an attempt to continually make the game a wonderful spectacle for their world wide audience. Who cares where it's played, and if it's snowing or raining, you're changing the culture, and heart of this game.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

i remember the 4-12 season as well as the 3 13 season but until about 2 weeks ago every coach except cam cameron looked like roses next to norv.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

getup123

How much are you being paid to say this. How much is your soul worth.

I do care how they win I don't want to be like the steelers or have to look at TO every week.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Sick of this bi-annual re-suffle. First we bring in Saunders right after we make the playoffs and confuse the hell out of everyone. One year lost to learning his vaunted (we are starting to wonder what for...) offense.

People are finally up to speed, and things are looking up. If it weren't for injuries and a lack of halftime-adjustments, we could have easily been 12-4.

Now, to make sure we have another 7-9 season, let's switch it all up again and bring in not one, but two new systems.

Makes a lot of sense to me Danny Boy.

Posted by: nlevigar | January 24, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I imagine the only reason double-g is still on staff is the million dollar pay he gets for not being chosen head coach. If he resigns, he forfeits that little bonus. And don't let them kid you; that is a part of his deal...

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

getup123, how come you use spaces after question marks, but not after periods?

Is it a gang thing or something?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse


www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Posted by: paul.bortnick | January 24, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

You know who The Danny reminds me of...

Washington area weather forecasters...

Both never say anything true and everyone hates them.

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

your wrote

Im sorry but don't bash me because I do not agree with most of you that Greg Willaims is all of sudden a Great coach and somebody we can't live without...I do not think Greg Williams will take this team to greater places

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 07:31 PM

you dont' think greg williams should be given a chance after all he did with the defense. You think Fossil (I know I misspelled his name and don't care) would be better!! Giant - Raven reject? As a coach with the Giants a losing record to Norv Turner? No one bothered to talk to him about a head coaching job for at least 2 years! And let's not forget, he had talent on the Giants. Name one player that GW had on buffalo

That is a good choice? You need to apply for a job on Bevis and butthead's staff you would be perfect!

Posted by: kathymac1 | January 24, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

i will renounce my lower bowl season tix if fassell is hired. the man would be lucky to get a qb coach offer after the way he was fired by his best friend in midseason, but hes good enough to be our hc? what an effing joke

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I still think Norv is a fair to mediocre coach. Not good. I consider him a placeholder.

But a lot of people regard Pettibon a disaster based on 1 season, and somehow Norv gets a pass, although he tormented Skins fans for 7 seasons.

I just think Pettibon gets a bum rap, he was no worse than anyone who followed (probably excepting Marty--who also got just one season, although I think he's a near-great coach--and Joe 2.0).

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

getup123

Cindy can you trace this URL to redskins park. I know Dan has people on the pay role at the moment writing the crap.

getup123 - Did you really write

What mistake has he made? just because he doesn't want Williams as his coach? Gibbs walked on his own and left this thing on his lap.We all love Joe, but let's be clear.....this team and staff was assembled
for Joe.Now Snyder must do what's in the franchises best interest.I remember once when many of the fans wanted Terry Robiskie .Danny is doing his best for us.Remember that he is actually one of us.He just happens to have billions

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

As I said earlier in the week, no self-respecting coach wants to come to a team where his staff his already picked for him and he has little to no say in the matter.

Unless you're Barry Switzer....say, come to think of it...nah; they wouldn't do that would they?

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Heres the Bottom Line:

Joe Gibbs SHOCKED EVERYONE including Mr. Snyder when he quit. All of us thought that Greg Williams would be the right and obvious choice to succeed Gibbs...but sources say that as Head Coach Greg Williams also wants to have a lot of authority on player personell.

I think we are all in favor of Greg Williams becoming the next Head Coach, but can we really blame Mr. Snyder for Not wanting to give him any authority beyond that? Afterall, Greg Williams is the main reason for the Archuletta fiasco.

So lets all just Chill the F#c% Out and let the process play itself out...RELAX people and lay of the owner...he actually does have good intentions, but was left with essentially a football emergency.

And No, I am not in anyway shape or form related to Mr. Snyder or anyone in the skins organization!

Posted by: vinnyisagenius2one | January 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Danny picking the assistant coaches?
This guy is messing up the franchise so bad he's making the Redskins so dysfunctional.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | January 24, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

vinnyisagenius2one

You must be the most Ironic poster I have ever known.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I agree with you that domes and turfs is changing the way that the game is played. As far as not playing in cold weather stadiums to keep the game exciting is crap. I think that a game played in the rain and snow is just as exciting is more exciting than running up and down the field in the controlled environment.

Posted by: Hawkeye | January 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

vinnyisagenius2one

is a great user id name though

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION: SEASON TICKET HOLDERS!!!

When you get bad service at a restaurant, do you keep going back, hoping it will improve? When the chefs burn your food, do you keep returning because you are hopeful they will slowly return and get better? When you buy furniture that turns out to be garbage, do you buy more from the same place?

THEN WHY DO YOU KEEP RENEWING YOUR SEASON TICKETS???

Send Beavis and Butthead the only message they will understand: CANCEL YOUR SEASON TICKETS AND STOP SUPPORTING THESE JOKERS FINANCIALLY.

Thank you very much. We will now return to our normal programming.

This is probably the most senseable thing I've read, through all the angry posts. I love the Skins, but if you want all this nonsense to truly end stop going to the games. Danny boy doesn't care about wins and losses by the Skins, he cares about the losses that hurt his business in a big way. If the Skins aren't a profitable team, he'll finally probably hire a REAL GM and start making wise moves for his franchise. If someone offers me Skins tickets, I'm passing. Please stop complaining about this team if you intend on going to the games and giving money to Danny boy. How tacky was it for Snyder to make Gibbs call all the coaches. He hasn't learned anything since Gibbs arrvied in the last 4 years. Truly sad.....

Posted by: redskins4da00 | January 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

alan 4,
my point in bringing up pettibone is simply that a genius dc does not always make for a good coach.

on this team with so many stars on the offensive side, i thinf double gg's abrasive style would rub many the wrong way. he had a shot at hc and failed, why not give someone else a shot. russ grimm, ron rivera, leslie frazier, these are up and comers who deserve a shot.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

you dont' think greg williams should be given a chance after all he did with the defense. You think Fossil (I know I misspelled his name and don't care) would be better!! Giant - Raven reject? As a coach with the Giants a losing record to Norv Turner? No one bothered to talk to him about a head coaching job for at least 2 years! And let's not forget, he had talent on the Giants. Name one player that GW had on buffalo

That is a good choice? You need to apply for a job on Bevis and butthead's staff you would be perfect!

Posted by: kathymac1 | January 24, 2008 07:56 PM

First off...I never said I wanted Fassil....I'm just saying I do not think Willaims is the man either. His defense may have ranked well with stats 3 out of 4 years...but his d is also the reason for allowing teams to comeback after a halftime lead more times then I can think...His defenses never could step up when it counted like the last game with the Hawks...they allowed them to march right down the field and take the lead back....He was also a very very very bad HC with teh Bills going something like 17 and 37 not sure the exact record...and completely lost his team and got fired...So yeah I don't want Williams

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Dan doesn't respect anyone but Gibbs enough to give them any serious authority.

That's what makes him passing over Grilliams so astounding: Grilliams comes with Gibbs endorsement.

As I said before, the burning question in my mind is this: What happened in those 4 interviews? We don't know. But it looks like Snyder wanted to follow Gibbs advice.... what the heck happened?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

you cant put all the blame on gg for the late game collapses. when the o goes 3 and out and only takes 1 min off the clock 3 consecutive series, it makes the d's job nearly impossible. saunders and gibbs need to shoulder some of that blame for the calling plays more conservatively than mike huckabee.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1,

You asked to name one good player Williams had in Buffalo...How bout London Fletcher, Eric Moulds..Peerless Price...Willis Mcgahee..Nate Clemens..Spikes..Shoudl I continue?????????

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I am a season ticket holder since fedex field opened and i go back because no matter what its still football. It might be bad football but its still football and even bad football is 10 times better then every other sport. I am mad as hell, but I know if I get rid of my tickets i'll miss the tailgates and games more then anything and regret it. Its like a cigarette company, you know its probably going to kill you, but your addicted and they have you by the throat and can do whatever they want.

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

leevi98

So what about the Dan Vinny team? Picking players, 'all' the main coaches, HR skills. That is the problem a few bloggers will not accept.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1...almost forgot Travis Henry as well...I'd say Willaims had some talent

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

First.
Jla, you are the man...covering a team like this with an owner like this takes dedication and tons of patience, not to mention the folks who rely on this blog for daily affirmation and direction in life (me being one). SAVE THE FAMILY!!!

Second.
Does anyone else feel like a Knicks fan right now...seriously. SELL DANNY SELL!!!

Third.
when do pitchers and catchers report?

Posted by: kenneth920 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

i agree with leevi for the most part. gg had talent in buffalo. but i wouldnt count moulds and price among the talent. was evans there back then?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

i agree with leevi for the most part. gg had talent in buffalo. but i wouldnt count moulds and price among the talent. was evans there back then?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1...almost forgot Travis Henry as well...I'd say Willaims had some talent

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I am a season ticket holder since fedex field opened and i go back because no matter what its still football. It might be bad football but its still football and even bad football is 10 times better then every other sport. I am mad as hell, but I know if I get rid of my tickets i'll miss the tailgates and games more then anything and regret it. Its like a cigarette company, you know its probably going to kill you, but your addicted and they have you by the throat and can do whatever they want.

Posted by: grizlies98

Season tickets are not the answer but there are other ways. Fan buy out, publicity, don't by beer or t-shirts.

Posted by: mul | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1...almost forgot Travis Henry as well...I'd say Willaims had some talent..and I also don't see any other teams beating down Greg Willaims's door for a HC job except Skins fans

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

on this team with so many stars on the offensive side, i thinf double gg's abrasive style would rub many the wrong way. he had a shot at hc and failed, why not give someone else a shot. russ grimm, ron rivera, leslie frazier, these are up and comers who deserve a shot.


Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 08:04 PM

He had a shot with the sorry Buffalo Bills and failed. Give him the Chargers and people would have called him a genius.

Regarding the offensive side of the ball, do you remember Portis talking enviously about Grilliams defense? If not, a refresher:

Portis said the offense isn't crisp in practice, either.

"You watch our defense at practice and they're flying around, they're quick, they're smooth," Portis said. "We have dropped balls in practice. We have turnovers in practice. We're doing the same things in practice that we're doing on the field. We have to iron it out."

http://www.examiner.com/a-1004477~Redskins_ponder_reason_for_lackluster_offense.html

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1...almost forgot Travis Henry as well...I'd say Willaims had some talent

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

i agree with leevi for the most part. gg had talent in buffalo. but i wouldnt count moulds and price among the talent. was evans there back then?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I am too much of a skins fan to quit the team. If Williams isn't hired, I will watch every game and cheer against the Redskins for 2008. I want them to lose every game. I want Snyder to feel true pain, the pain of loosing. I will enjoy every time they show the little bltch up in his press box with that deer in the headlights look. I thought he had learned something under Gibbs. I was willing to wipe the slate clean. This has just been too much.

Posted by: elvis.presly | January 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Moulds and Price had HUGE numbers in Buffalo

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL REDSKINS FANS:

Daniel Snyder will never get this team a championship.

Love,
Redskins Fan

Posted by: Brian_P_McConnell | January 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I also don't see any other teams beating down Greg Willaims's door for a HC job except Skins fans

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 08:15 PM

There are no HC vacancies. When there were, Williams was making more than most HCs and everyone thought he would succeed Gibbs. His contract expires next year (and Gibbs had been promising to fulfull his own contract, which expires next year).

If people knew Williams was actually available, I'm pretty sure he would have gotten some offers.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Peerless Price was never a good player, he was average at best

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I would feel alot more like a knicks fan if vinny cerrato is found guilty for a 12 million dollar sexual harrassment lawsuit...

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 24, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

SCREW YOU SNYDER!!!!!

Posted by: jumpmansgp | January 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

No hc Vacancies? HUH? The Flacons Just hired a coach yesterday The ravens a few days ago..There were Jobs

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked, the sorry, no account Dolphins aren't having problems staffing up.

Posted by: i155133 | January 24, 2008 06:05 PM

Hey! Who are you calling 'no account'? Oh, that's right we sucked this season. As you were.

So current (baddest pun) coach search status is:

Zorn is Gorn
Fassel has 'ized'
Jim Jr. is now no Mora
Snyder's seen his fillyums of Grilliams
Saunders has been laundered

Can't think of anything for Spagneto and Charlie McDaniels

What am I saying here, I got nuthin'.

I'll get me coat.


Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

elvis,

The only thing Snyder learned from Gibbs is that he is a Quiter and the only thing he learned from Grilliams is that he is a below average personel evaluator

Posted by: vinnyisagenius2one | January 24, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I just checked...GG had some good drafts with the bills. He could build the skins that way

Posted by: mdvj | January 24, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Well Fassel's been available since Oct 06. No one interviewed him.

Williams was still enduring 4 HC interviews with Snyder while the Falcons and Ravens were finalizing details of contracts with their new coaches.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree he did have some good drafts...Just could not win games

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"You watch our defense at practice and they're flying around, they're quick, they're smooth," Portis said. "We have dropped balls in practice. We have turnovers in practice. We're doing the same things in practice that we're doing on the field. We have to iron it out."

this sounds just as much as an indictment of the offense as it does backing the d. how will cp handle the daily beratings that williams is so quick to give the d. my guess is that he would not handle it too well.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

It all comes down to one word ... RESPECT

Snyder has shown GG that he doesn't respect him. He has told the players that he doesn't respect them.

But around the league, the Skins players and coaches are respected. They did some pretty remarkable stuff this season.

So it means no one will trust or respect Danny.

That is why hiring GG was the right thing to do. It shows respect. If it fail in a year or 2, Danny could call Cowher and probably get him.

But Danny has lost respect from others at OJ-like speed. After this debacle, you think Cowher would be interested in working for Danny? No chance. Cowher will have plenty of options and being the highest bidder is not going to make a difference if Cowher doesn't respect you.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

moulds was a good player:

through 2005: 675 receptions, 3 pro bowls

please people this blog is starting to read like a football conversation you might see on Redbook or Good Housekeeping's website...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, apparently the Schvwartz was with Jim either.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The Danny has taken this organization, it's players and fans to an all-time low. He has no concept of continuity or loyalty. He can generate money but he can't run a football organization. I recommend the current staff put out their resumes quickly and begin to look for other positions. (They should be doing that while at the senior bowl.) This team will not be competitive for the next 5-7 years if they hire a new coach! As I've said before, if you want to win a Super Bowl got another organization, but if you want to paid for life come to the Deadskins! Ask Deon, Bruce, Jeff George and others! They've become a joke and I'm departing as a fan. Anyone want any free Redskins hats? Go Patriots! (You know what you're going to get with them!!)

Posted by: ronnie.griffin | January 24, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, apparently the Schvwartz wasn't with Jim either.

Anyone get the impression Snyder just want's to hire a guy named Jim?

Jim Fassel
Jim Mora
Jim Caldwell
Jim Zorn
Jim Schwartz


Could this all be pointing towards Jimmy Johnson??

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The extra time is a good thing. Less likely Fassel will get the job and maybe Gibbs and public opinion convinces the Danny to go with continuity and Williams. We should keep shouting for it anyway.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Snyder learned from Gibbs is that he is a Quiter and the only thing he learned from Grilliams is that he is a below average personel evaluator

sean taylor aside, williams was intregal in picking rocky mac, c rog, landry, among others, as well as signing carter, griffin, lfb, marcus and smoot. while i still dont want gg as a hc i dont question his personell choices, archeletta aside.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

At least we remain Champions of the Offseason!

Thanks, Dan!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

No doubt Williams is the best thing for the team at this time. Some other time maybe not. But right now, he knows the players, he understands what the team went through this year. His defense will be good at a minimum.

A new coach will have a tough time winning over the players. Frankly, I don't see it happening next year unless the guy is exceptional. Hello under 500.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess Lord Danny hasn't found the right host to implant with his new mind-control parasite yet. God forbid he might hire the wrong zombie, and the team might finish better than 10-6 next year.

Posted by: ericenderle | January 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

i think its safe to say that the family as dan and joe called them 2 wweks ago is splitting up. dan botched this one worse than dan turk in the 99 playoff game. it sickens me to think of how the skins hc job has gone from the most desired opening to a joke. now if youll excuse me, i have to put on my walking boot and take my girlfriend flowers.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

First off...I never said I wanted Fassil....I'm just saying I do not think Willaims is the man either. His defense may have ranked well with stats 3 out of 4 years...but his d is also the reason for allowing teams to comeback after a halftime lead more times then I can think...His defenses never could step up when it counted like the last game with the Hawks...they allowed them to march right down the field and take the lead back....He was also a very very very bad HC with teh Bills going something like 17 and 37 not sure the exact record...and completely lost his team and got fired...So yeah I don't want Williams

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 08:05 PM

His defense single-handedly kept us in that game. When our offense consistently moved the ball 2 inches on a 3 and out series, his defense kept them out of the endzone despite having awful field position (for the skins). And his defense had two picks, one that set up the go-ahead score and one that attempted to take away the momentum-changing missed FG. There are only two games this year where I can put the blame on his defense, @Dallas and @NE. And NE was a blowout on both sides of the ball.

Williams' defense has given this team FAR more victories than given up losses. There's a reason this team has the record for the lowest offensive production by a winning team in postseason history.

Posted by: pspe23 | January 24, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Gregg, if you really want this job, cave in to Danny's demands and change your name to Jimm (The second M stands for manboobs).

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Snyder had only 2 choices coming into this process. Hire GG because the players on both sides of the ball believe in him ... and that is a huge part of being successful.

Or hire someone who has a very strong track record (ie Cowher, perhaps Marty, Shanahan, Gruden -- that level)

Anything else and he loses a ton of respect. Which is the most important thing an owner can have. And guess what? Danny has lost the respect of just about everyone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

zc- one of the better posts i've read (don't get me wrong, there have been many.) You really hit the nail on the head with the respect issue. I really don't want Cower, but all the respect The Snyd earned from me after losing Taylor and flying Collins up to see his baby, has been lost through this debacle. If he doesn't want to hire my favorite Williams (for some strange reason)then an update would have been nice. Keeping us all in limbo and then wanting Fassel is ridiculous!
And notice, if I respected him I'd call him Mr. Snyder, after all he owns the greatest football team in the NFL. But I call him the Snyd because that is what he has put us on... on the Schneid.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 24, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Will Snyder ever get a clue? He needs to hire a GM and stop acting like a fan. Until that happens, the Skins are not going to win again.

Posted by: emilstein1 | January 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the coaching fiasco notwithstanding, the long-term damage to this franchise will ultimately flow out of the office of Mr. Cerrato.

This man is a certified moron. His stupidity is immeasurable.

His upcoming bone-head personnel moves will make the Duckett and Lloyd acquisitions look like deals of the century.

Posted by: gdennie | January 24, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

kathymac1,

You asked to name one good player Williams had in Buffalo...How bout London Fletcher, Eric Moulds..Peerless Price...Willis Mcgahee..Nate Clemens..Spikes..Shoudl I continue?????????

Posted by: leevi98 | January 24, 2008 08:10 PM

williams didnt have mcgahee or spikes. spikes was in cinci at that time and mcgahee was only healthy after williams left. Clements was only there for his first 2 years and wasn't elite yet, and Peerless Price is awful. The only "talent" he had was London Fletcher for one year(he was with the rams before that), and Eric Moulds, who might be a solid receiver, but nowhere near elite.

Posted by: pspe23 | January 24, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

The Danny is one of those guys who has been so successful that he has lost touch with all reality. He sucks but he believes he is the man. Vinny is an enabler and is good at only one thing, sucking up to the Danny. The whole thing is pathetic. The Danny is about to find out that you can't buy respect, and for that reason, no respectable coach will want to coach for him. Maybe we can hire Wade Phillips next year after he gets canned by the Cowboys.....

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Gregg, if you really want this job, cave in to Danny's demands and change your name to Jimm (The second M stands for manboobs).

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 08:45 PM

LMGO!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to Snyder to completely burn up the good will he earned as a result of his classy handling of the Sean Taylor tragedy.

---- Couldn't have said it better myself!-------

Posted by: oldnova | January 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

kjghjhkggkkj

Posted by: robncnc5 | January 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Officially, Gibbs is Snyder's advisor.
So, Gibbs either 1)recommended a member of his staff to replace him as head-coach, or, 2) he didn't. If he recomnmended someone, say GW, he wasn't, or hasn't, been hired. One would think that Mr. Gibbs would take umbrage to that and resign as his recommendation was not accepted. If he didn't recommend a member of his staff, we can only assume that he advised Snyder to look somewhere else for a replacement. One would think that all members of his previous staff would take umbrage to that and resign. No one on the Redskin organization has resigned.
At this point, one can only wonder that if Mr. Snyder indeed has an advisor, what exactly has the advisor been advising. If the advisor is not advising, and has not played a role in this fiasco, then why is the advisor...oh, never mind.

Posted by: al852 | January 24, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It all comes down to one word ... RESPECT
snip...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 08:32 PM

zcezcest1 you are correct. It does come down to one word. I believe that word is...RELIABILITY

Over the last days we have been serially told that this process would be a short sham and that in the very near future, Wiliiams would be the coach. That never really happened

Then we were told that the team was talking to Jim Fassil and that within the next few minutes he would be hired as the coach. That didn't exactly happen as planned.

Then we were told that Jim Zorn would be the OC under the Fassil regime that never materialised.

Then we were told that the Rex Ryan would be coming and there was even discussion of the trades that were being offered to get him. Then he denied even talking to the Redskins.

All the while, Ashburn has been silent. So, while you can criticise Snyder all you want, and I'm no apologist, the bulk of your agita has been due to sloppy reporting. This is a classic case of trying to be first, not accurate.

Why do you think that people with IQ's above a house cat refer to WAPO as fiction?

Posted by: bambijihad | January 24, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I really think Snyder liked when Gibbs stepped down, now he can play his games. This is like a game to him, I can see him rubbing his hands together like someone that thinks he has a plan. What a joke!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 24, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

anyone see this real sports thing on fan drinking at nfl games, redskins fans featured although not in a positive light...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, apparently the Schvwartz wasn't with Jim either.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 08:33 PM

LMGO Kost! How could I have missed that one?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 24, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Haha, reading the venom and hate on this blog is funny. I'm not saying it's not well deserved; it certainly is and it's good to see fellow Redskins fans banding together to voice their concerns.

It's mind-boggling how Snyder has handled this. Just blows your mind. Not because he hasn't hired a coach yet or because he's conducted so many interviews. As an owner, that's his right (although I feel like it's a mistake not to go with Williams, but who knows what went on behind closed doors). But man, what a PR disaster! What a media circus this has become. And to get Gibbs to call his staff to let them know what's going on has to be a new low. Always classy, that Gibbs. It surely is not his job, but reaching out to his staff even after his job is done speaks to the man's class.

As I've mentioned here, Gibbs will be missed:

http://hailbg.blogspot.com/

Posted by: hailbg | January 24, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Nothing could be as bad as Norv!!!

And that was on JKC ... at least Dan ended that 7 year nightmare!!!

Posted by: theclevz | January 24, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

this is beyond painful and now a joke. wouldnt blame anyone for not wanting to come here the way the "brain(dead)trust" handles things. and the hypocrisy of all the continuity statements!

the idea of fassel was enuf to make me hurl ... my season tickets back at danny. williams probably wanted too much "roster" control hence the shot with vinny's press release. wouldnt blame him if he said no , even if the "trust" changed its minds. it would be funny if it werent so painful.


Posted by: sdefife | January 24, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

AS LONG AS SNYDER REFUSES TO CHANGE THE NAME TO 'SKINS' THE FRANCHISE IS CURSED.

Posted by: rehundt | January 24, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

We probably would have been better off with Howard Millstein owning the Skins. Maybe he would have backed off and just let the staff make the decisions. It still boggles the mind to think Snyder makes other good decisions with his other business ventures.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 24, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Nothing could be as bad as Norv!!!

And that was on JKC ... at least Dan ended that 7 year nightmare!!!

Posted by: theclevz | January 24, 2008 09:25 PM

Yeah right. Fire the guy when he had us in playoff contention and we had a winning record that year. That was bad timing in firing Norv........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Synder is a buffoon (to be nice about it). How he amassed his wealth given his lack of people skills and management savy is beyond comprehension. He is one of the all time worst owners in NFL history. The "little man" syndrome strikes again. Jack Kent Cooke must be rolling in his grave.

Posted by: lyburch | January 24, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Hailbg, interesting comment.

I think it was Snyder's idea that no one would know he was even considering Fassel. Therefore there would be no PR disaster (at least until they were able to openly make whatever case they could for the hire if they indeed decided to go with him). Then someone leaked it to Jason--has to be Fassel or his agent. Whoever it was not only leaked the interview but told Jason he was just about to be hired. Finally, late last night, the team had to issue a denial, when clearly they had not wanted to comment at all.

I think it will be interesting if Fassel doesn't get the job now--did his agent screw him out of it by playing media games? Notice all the other interviewees are silent (except Mora who dropped out). I wonder if they're the smart ones after all.

Posted by: Burgundy | January 24, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that funny?

The rash of calls into talk radio stations, comments in chat rooms like these and even more likely, Skins season-ticket holders threatening to ask for refunds on their purchases has made an impact and spooked the Boy King into withdrawing his offer to Fossil!

Truly amazing!

And now, Gibbs is telling his former coaches that it will be "several weeks" before a new Head Coach is found.

Well, we know something now - Williams and Fossil will NOT be hired!

What former great NFL coach will the Boy King summon now - Jimmy Johnson? Don Shula?

Posted by: 2greekdc | January 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, just too many names to pick from! I'm sure there'll be more to come too!

I'm worried now. Since I've uncovered Danny's "Jimskins" plan, I've discovered another Jim. This one is currently a coordinator, so available, he has not only has Head Coach experience, but also has a playoff victory under his belt. That's right folks Jim Haslett. Career record of 45-51. In his 5 seasons as HC of the Saints, he recorded 1 season worse than 7-9, and that was the Hurricane Katrina season.

Sounds like he fits every catergory Danny and Vinny have been after, expect him to be offered the job in minutes.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That was bad timing in firing Norv........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2008 09:32 PM

Only in that it was either 4 or 7 years too late, right?

Posted by: daggar | January 24, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that funny?

The rash of calls into talk radio stations, comments in chat rooms like these and even more likely, Skins season-ticket holders threatening to ask for refunds on their purchases has made an impact and spooked the Boy King into withdrawing his offer to Fossil!

Truly amazing!

And now, Gibbs is telling his former coaches that it will be "several weeks" before a new Head Coach is found.

Well, we know something now - Williams and Fossil will NOT be hired!

What former great NFL coach will the Boy King summon now - Jimmy Johnson? Don Shula?

Posted by: 2greekdc | January 24, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

bambijihad -- first, let me compliment you on one of the more interesting names on the board.

From reporting side, maybe its reliability. But from the hiring side, it is respect. The players stepped up and made it clear they wanted to play for GG because they respected him. When Randle El spoke up for GG, I thought it was most telling because he is on the other side of the ball. This process has had ample time to accomplish pretty much everything. Which is why the announcement should have been on Tuesday, give or take a day.

But the idea that you are interviewing OC candidates without a HC, that tells you the process has run amok.

Danny brought in and paid for these players and coaches. At some point, he has to respect them. Because that respect buys you a lot of goodwill, and a lot of wins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

You guys know I think I have finally figured all this madness out........just a thought, What if Greg Williams turned down the job? What if he wanted Joe Gibbs' job and Danny only wanted him as coach and to give Vinny more power........what if the 4 interviews where Danny trying to convince him to take the job?

That could explain the move away from Greg and the look at other candidates..........food for thought......since we have no facts.....

Posted by: redskins1 | January 24, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Kneel before Zorn!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

heck lets hire jimmy johnson. he hates the cowboys and jerry jones now.. he will be looking for the kill against jones. that would be exciting

Posted by: fbailey | January 24, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Nate, he sounds like a character out of Flash Gordon, or Barbarella or something doesn't he. I looked it up and the closest I got was Danny Zorn from the Bourne Supremacy.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the Danny even knows Ethan Albright (the pro bowler!)is on his team!!!!!!!!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 24, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

zorn.....ahhhhhaaaaa he saved every one of us!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm against Zorn because Buzz Lightyear always beats him.

Posted by: daggar | January 24, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i've got a nasty zorn on my heel...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so I work for a storied franchise whose owner has driven its teams into the ground and Danny boy is doing the same thing.


Get rid of Vinny, he has absolutely NO clout or respect in the league, he is a disaster. Dan listens to him because he has no one else to believe in...scary huh!


Williams should have gotten the job, "continuity" the players believed in him, what other coach have the players believed in since Gibbs 1.... none, except Gibbs 2 and maybe Marty.


But the real question is, did you EVER not respect COOKE! Never, he knew how to hand over the reigns.


Dannyboys ego will never let him do that.


Until he does, we will never see another championship! We are a laughing stock in the league!


This is embarrassing!!!!!!!

Posted by: jdsa | January 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Is it about plainly obvious now that Snyder is sheltered well from reality? How else can you explain a coaching search that has become a PR disaster and has led many to question what exactly Snyder indeed did learn from Gibbs. Can anyone imagine this sort of speculation had Coach Gibbs led the search? Common decency dictates that you let the players and the staff updated with progress and/or decisions as they are made. Instead, Snyder chooses to play dictator and Gibbs has to come out and do his dirty work for him. There's really no incentive for Gibbs to do that. He's simply empathetic enough to feel for his staff. Man, a guy in charge who actually cares about other people, tries his best for the Redskins, and doesn't act like an a__hole. Snyder had a front row seat for four years and still learned nothing. Sad, just sad.

Posted by: hailbg | January 24, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

you can def tell i had zorn for dinner last night by looking in my toilet bowl...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

my fave zorn star is isabella soprano

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

this whole Bells Palsy thing is a zorn in my zide.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, in my face, actually

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, we know GG isn't going to Jax to become the DC. Jax just signed a DC. Can we at least say that the lowly Falcons have a plan in place and we still don't. SHOCKING!!!!!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 24, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

"...league sources said..." and we should believe any of this because why?? Oh that's right,because you JLC, and all the other media flame fanners and dead horse beaters said so and since you were all soooo right about today's announcement about Fassel being the new head coach we should all bow down and let you pour that koolaid down our throats.
PHOOEY! I'm not bitin' until the Redskins tell me themselves what their decision is. You are not news reporters you are newsmakers. Shame on you all!

Posted by: cmtdodge | January 24, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I loved Rip Zorn in Senseless.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

On an unrelated note, I like the OC from the Pats except that he looks like he might still measure his age in half years.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Since Coach Joe retired I have read all of jason's posts, but actually only read our reader's responses, interacting myself w/ only two posts myself.


So, have we been getting answers as to why in the world the FO is trying to land three candidates instead of just one?

Honestly, I am so frustrated w/ this attempting 3 stuff! Can they not figure it out that the reason they cannot land a HC yet, is because they are busy trying to land three coaches?

1. How about some focus here on a HC
2. Let the HC hire who he wants as his OC and DC.
3. Then Jason and his wife can get reacquainted and enjoy their marriage bed!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

after reading so many asinine posts i wish i was never zorn

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

2greekdc, I still think Fassel will be hired :( Danny Boy did not back down due to fan outrage....he simply wanted a package deal....Fassel, Ryan, and Zorn. When he saw that was not working out...he had to backpedal for a bit. I'm guessing he is now looking at other coaches to compliment Fassel. If he delays the decision beyond tomorrow or early next week, it will be to interview Spagnuolo.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 24, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

kost rip zorn! hahahaha game/set/match...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Eeewww! I can't unthink the image of Jasno enjoying his marriage bed. Plus, as long as they keep looking for coaches at least there won't be anymore mini-Jasnos running around.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

if the skins blow this hire i will go into zorning

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I cant' decide which I like better, "Zorn to Be Wild" or "Zorn Between Two Lovers"

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

i always preferred "Zorn Free"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

cmtdodge -

I'm not sure if it's Jasno's fault, he can only report what people tell him, it's not his fault if it's true or untrue, that's why he says "a source says".

Look at this -

"There are all kind of rumors and speculation going around about the Redskins pursuing a name coach and shocking everyone with their choice....Chatted with Jim Fassel a few days ago and he had not heard from the Skins"

By Jason La Canfora | January 18, 2008; 9:38 PM ET


That means Fassel flat out lied to him, that's not Jasno's fault.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Do you think he calls his kids "Children of the Zorn"?

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that one was a little zorny.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

If we hire him, we can become Children of the Zorn!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

did you guys know ethanol fuel is made by zorn?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

So, Zorn... Is that an Irish name?

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You beat me LarryBud!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

if janso got a night off mayeb 9 months from now a new child would be zorn?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

So that's almost all I got. The right side of my face is starting to freeze up. Never, ever get Bells Palsy if you can help it. It is preventable in some cases. And, no, mine was not caused by herpes.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Peace out, hamsters.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

sorry to hear that larry bud, i am sure that must make you feel zorn out.

(sorry couldn't resist, i hope you the best!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

So, Zorn... Is that an Irish name?

Posted by: LarryBud | January 24, 2008 10:12 PM


Not sure, I think he's from Calizornia.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's a scenario:

Dan and Vinny - The DaVinny Code - meet with Steve Spagnuolo at a hotel in Scottsdale, AZ late in the evening of February 3 after the Super Bowl. Spagnuolo does not fly home with the team, but remains behind to meet with The DaVinny Code through the night. Early the next morning, the three of them board Redskins One for the flight back to Teterboro, where they will drop Spagnuolo off.

During the flight home, Dan attempts to close the deal. Spagnuolo asks for the moon, because his team has just won the Super Bowl and his stock cannot get any higher. Besides, the rule is, when Dan Snyder asks you what it would take to get the deal done, you think of a number you would never even think of in your wildest dreams. Then you bump that number up another 35% and tell Dan that's what it would take. The DaVinny Code raise their eyebrows and look at each other for the briefest moment, then Dan says, "Done."

Spagnuolo brings on Chris Palmer as O Coordinator to continue to develop Jason Campbell, who has to learn yet another system. He also brings on Bill Sheridan as his D Coordinator.

In one of their last acts as Redskins employees, the junior members of the offensive coaching staff are ordered to stay up all night at Redskins Park shredding 100 binders worth of the 700-page playbook. The shredded paper is loaded onto an 18-wheeler and trucked to Dan's mansion, where it is utilized on a project to improve drainage in the back area of his property sloping down to the Potomac River.

Posted by: terrdeac | January 24, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Why? Why all of this? Why can't the Danny give a shot to GW? Is it not sexy enough? Please. Jim Fassel is as sexy as my grandmother drunk at a bar trying to pick up lumberjacks. It's stupid that I care so much about a group of millionaire men paid to catch an elongated ball thrown about a field made of grass and / or plastic, but one of the beautiful things about football is it is one of the few remaining sports that requires camraderie and a feeling of family unity for a team to be succesful. If Fassel is hired, any strides the Redskins have made towards that goal over the past four seasons will have been lost, and it is sad to see that Joe Gibbs will have had a hand in it, regardless of how insignificant his input into this process has been.

Posted by: spf1302002 | January 24, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

i hear he was zorn in calizornia but rasied in arizornia

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Night LarryBud!!

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I know I was like five threads late on the Zorn joke but it was killing me.

As Cat Stevens sang, "I can't keep it in, I gotta let it out."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

During the offseason he does charity work in Tanzornia.

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely hate the comments posted up here by Zorno.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Ummm, Zornish Game Hens?
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder - it is not too late for redemption. Hire Greg Williams as the HC.

Rushing to piece meal something in place of the current staff makes no sense. You have a quality staff now that deserves a chance. Too much was invested by the organization and the fans to give up on what is in place now.

Posted by: cabraman | January 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of symmetry in the most trying season in Redskins history, owner Dan Snyder decides to interview **21** candidates in the search to replace retired legend Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 24, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, did you zorn my zorn post last zorn? *

* - Translation: Nate, did you see my beer post last night?


I re-posted it expressly for your perusal.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The Danny sucks ...

say it again and again and again

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

OK last one for me, A Zornucopia of Zorn
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 24, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Romo and Jessica
Danny Boy and Tom Cruise

Every game that The Danny has brought Tom to a game, the Redskins have lost.

Posted by: halogen4 | January 24, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

yum...i love zornish game hens

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,
You'll get no argument from me on your points. I was merely trying to point out the possibility...no, the probability that a lot of the hysteria has been driven by the media. They are trying to be the first to announce the next Joe Gibbs, and look to be rushing to accept the word of sources who, in retrospect, don't appear to be all that reliable.

Was Zorn being interviewed for the OC job? We only have the word of an unnamed source. Was that the same source as the one who provided the apparently bogus claim that the skins were talking to Ryan? The same source who made the bogus claim the the Fassil hire was imminent? We simply don't know. Yet, the same "repoters" potentially using the same sources are still "reporting".

I still go back to the littany of bogus reports that have spun everyone up. Reports which have turned out to be wrong.

At this point, until there is a press conference, I'm not inclined to believe anything I hear from anyone covering the team. Their MO has proven to be; ready, fire, aim.

Until there's REAL news, I'll sit this one out.

Posted by: bambijihad | January 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

The Danny zorned us

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Yep, zilla, sorry for the delay. I'm fighting a miserable cold, and I've been finding it an uphill battle to not only catch up with the blog but have the gumption to jump into the fray.

I'll try and answer your questions in order.

a. beer is good
2. I don't remember the name of that English beer that somebody was loving on up here. I do remember the loving, just not the name of the beloved brew.
r. Red Seal is good. I just had a sixer of that last week.
22. bomber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_bottle#Bomber

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Could Dan Snyder screw this up even more if he tried? I doubt it. Belt Buckle Boy is now rapidly approaching Peter Angelos in terms of incompetence. He had a coach the fans were/are behind staring him in the face and could have carried the momentum of this season into next, and made a small mint in the process because of the excitement of all the returning vets from injury helping another run to the playoffs, perhaps still in the memory of Sean Taylor.

Now all of that is shot. The new staff doesn't have history with Taylor so they can't carry his memory and what they learned from his passing into next season, and we're probably going to lose Clinton Portis too. With the disaster Belt Buckle Boy has created and how he's refused to listen to the players, there's no way Portis is going to agree to restructure his deal.

Joe Gibbs is WAY too close to Dan Snyder. He needs to use the bully pulpit that his name and experience gives him in the DC area to put some pressure on Snyder to hire Double G! Vinny has got to have some incriminating photos of Snyder or something, because no rational person would go to bat this much for Vinny.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | January 24, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"The Danny zorned us"

beautiful, just beautiful...the best anti-snyder post in 48 hours!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I totally screwed up..in a really bad way...and...I'm sorry. I just wasnt' comfortable in our relationship and...well I have done a lot of thinking...I am sorry I screwed this up so bad...you have meant a lot to us the last 4 years...now 06 was tough and I did not like how you handled Arch or Arrington and we can't operate like that...but I feel we are a family and Joe and us with your important help have built very solid foundation and I am sorry I lost site of that...I am truly sorry...we need to get along and work together and trust each other...can we do that? I think so to...are you ready to win a Super Bowl...ya me too...big time...so you want the HC job? That is great Gregg, should we keep Al and everyone else?...ya I agree we have to see if we can build on what we've already worked so hard on...you'll make sure he feels good about it? Fanastic then...lets do this! Vinnie, Chris(PR guy) set up a Press Conferance in two hours...Gregg Williams is the new Head Coach of the Washington Redskins....

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 24, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The new Boswell column sums the current situation up well:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012402958.html

I think it expresses very clearly (and sanely) what a lot of us are thinking.

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 24, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

If we must be coached by a Fassel, at least let it be this one:

http://www.sortkrudt.dk/galleri/dm2003/Jens%20Ole%20Fassel.JPG

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Motherzorning Zornable Type...

zilla, I recall that I myself was repping some English brews up here, and maybe that's what you were thinking of? The Samuel Smith family of beers, which you can peruse at the link below. You cannot go wrong with the Nut Brown Ale, and all the other ones I've had have been pretty good, too.

Cheers.

http://www.merchantduvin.com/pages/5_breweries/samsmith.html

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone get the impression Snyder just want's to hire a guy named Jim?"

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 08:36 PM

Nice! If it ain't broke, don't fix it, i.e., find someone named Todd!

Good to see that over the past couple few hours, the blog is back to doing what it does best: drinking.

Note to new posters: Typically, the chit chat up here is alot more fun.

Thought ... Sean Taylor's death was the Skins' 9/11 ... this coaching search is the Skins' Iraq.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

makers mark here!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thought ... Sean Taylor's death was the Skins' 9/11 ... this coaching search is the Skins' Iraq.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 10:46 PM


So that would make Jason La Zornfora our Donald Rumsfled??

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Nate, not Samuel Smith. You can find that stuff all over the place. This was some other brand that I'd never heard of, and then I think I saw it at Cost Plus, but can't recall the name. I guess I'll have to go back and look again.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm already on beer 4, wish I could crack beer 5 over Snyder's head.....

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Concha y Toro Frontera (Cabernet Sauvignon/Merlot)

Had lasagna for dinner.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

So if he decides to stay in Seattle, are we "Zorn Losers?"

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe that Mexican beer? Zornona? La Zornveza mas fina!

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 24, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, zilla, I figured Sam Smith was too mainstream to be your mystery brew, but thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

Cheers, all the same. You too, bootsy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side, at least our starting qb next year is not Shane Matthews or Danny W. Man we sucked that year.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Wayne Fontes! Now there's a man who stands alone at the foot of the heap! What's the chance Vinny "the weasel" Cerrato and Danny Boy bring him in for an interview?

Or what about June Jones? He only got his butt kicked forty ways to Sunday by Georgia. Or everybody's favorite, Buddy Ryan? Why take the son when you can upgrade to the original for a buck more?

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

great boswell column!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Snyder and Cerrato get a sick pleasure out of this fiasco. This is how they operate, with complete and utter chaos. They need this sick attention (all of these posts and interest) like a narcissitic person. They are stupid, arrogant, clueless, out of touch with reality. Joe Gibbs was like their Dad who had them reined in, and once he left, all of their asinine behavior became exposed again. And here we are!!

And that's what this is: childish. We need to keep pouring it on Snyder and the Redskins. Make them relent. This IS UNACCEPTABLE> Heck, if he won't hire a coach, WE will. .... I want Howie Long, Terry Bradshaw, anyone on those shows, someone from ESPN, to blast this guy continually, repeatedly....Make him cry!! That all of the owners and coaches are spurning Snyder like he's a bad date.....is a good sign. He can't push his way around anymore. Word's out, he's a terrible boss.

But what saddens me is this is the opposite of how the Redskins of the past used to be. We didn't have this relatioship with JKC because there was a STRUCTURE in place to win football games. A FRONT OFFICE STRUCTURE!!!

SYNDER and VINNY is football's equivalent to DUMB AND DUMBER.....DELUSIONAL AND DENIAL.
Snyder and Vinny need psychological help!!!

Posted by: petefaggen | January 24, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, sween, it IS usually more fun up here.

And I don't say that simply as a 'regular' who tends to lose his bearings when there are a lot of unfamiliar voices in the conversation. There is a tendency for a heckuva lot of new people to start commenting on the blog in troubled times like these, as opposed to not-so-troubled times when newer people saunter in at an easier-to-accommodate pace.

This is what I posted last night:


"200k by late summer, gee whiz. It would take a whole series of shabingi to generate that much blog action.

"Let's see, quick back-of-the-envelope calculations... after the coaching search shabingus will be the staff shakeup shabingus and then the free agency shabingus and the mass contract restructuring shabingus and then the draft shabingus and all manner of minicamp-related shabingi and... yeah, okay, no sweat."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 12:14 AM


I will add to that list the rather ugly possibility of a Hall of Fame-related shabingus about a week from now.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm blanking, did Sage Rosenfels ever get a start when he was on the Skins? There was a game this year that made me think the Texans might have a QB controversy next year btwn Sage and Schaub.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Nate, the Ethan Allbright thread actually got going OK today (i.e., nearly head coach discussion free) ... lots of new folks didn't understand what beep beep meant and never jumped.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

bourbon rulz
beer drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

chRIs Larry, if I drink enough of anything ...

anything rulz
dcsween drulz

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Nate, We are both on record of irrelevancy to a new coach as the burgundy and gold lines run too deep and try as Danny might he will not get rid of me (in my best Richard Gere) I got no place else to go!!! But Monk not in the HOF does steam my Zornups...
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

dane cook, worst stand up of all time?...discuss...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Did I break the blog or is everyone out doing Sage Rosenfeld research?

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I am all zornclemnt, talk amongst yerselves...

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 24, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Coaching candidates:

1. Lou Holtz, the lovable lisper. Who thought 4-12 could be so much fun?

2. Steve "tee-time" Spurrier. We'd be the Patriots of the pre-season, complete with running up the score!

3. Jerry Glanville. He could leave "will call" tickets for our offense, if it decides to show up.

4. Matt Millen. We'd be a team of 53 wide receivers. Oh wait; we'd be the 2nd team with 53 wide receivers.

5. Jim Fassel. We'd have...we'd....oh crap!

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

do you think we will ever vote via text message? is mitt romney warmblooded? are snyders e-grams out of whack, did eli make a deal with satan, dc or marvel, should fake meat be banned, does anyone miss Lums....

?????

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

With a few off-season moves, a healthy team, and JC at the helm, we can do some damage next year even with a monkey as the head coach. I just hope the monkey's initials are GW. Hail.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The Danny wanted a big name.
he was turned down by Jim Zorn.

Perhaps he will now try Bjorn Borg?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, 320, I guess I'm getting ready for any of these possibilities, which I am ranking in descending order of relative probability (as I guess it):

Darrell Green is elected*
no Redskin is elected**
Green and Monk are elected
Green and Grimm are elected*
Green, Monk and Grimm are elected
Monk and/or Grimm are elected, but not Green*

* Monk snub shabingus
** complete, colossal shabingus

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 24, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Many feel our owner wants the big hire so he can toot his own horn.

I don't know but all of this sure make us want to scorn.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

get your hip waders on and prepare for this:

no Redskin is elected**

Posted by: chrislarry | January 24, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Our effing luck, Vinny Cerrato will probably end up being selected to the Hall in a secret ballot....

Posted by: Soups1 | January 24, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Whatchu talkin' bout CL??


Sween, remember during the pre-season there was one blogger who was saying Rosenfels was an All-Pro quality QB?

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

We lost Jim Zorn [big deal]
All continuity will soon by torn

Hey, I got it, if he wants to hire a really "bad" deud,
he can hire Jason Bourne!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | January 24, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I second cL on the Wilbon piece. Pretty well sums it up.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

There's a couple of ways to look at all this. Yes, Williams is Gibbs's choice to succeed him. Well, so was George Seifert with Bill Walsh in SF and that didn't work out too well longterm. You want this next choice to be more than a one off and if it doesn't work out we'll sign Cowher as there's no guarantee that Cowher would come here in the first place given what looks like a Snyder/Vinny veto decision on player personnel picks.

Two, other than avoiding a repeat of another injury-plagued season the biggest ? for the Skins next year concerns Jason Campbell raising his game another level. Wiliams is a defensive guy and a team tends to reflect the interests of its head guy which may be one reason, with the exception of Mike Tomlin and Dungy and to some extent Belichick, you see so few defensive-backgrounded head coaches in the league what with the new rule changes that favor the offense and the importance of the qb position, now more than ever in a league generally typified by poor play at the position.

Posted by: VirgilCaine | January 24, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

thanks freakkong, but its Boswell!!!!

Posted by: clawrence | January 24, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

speaking of Jason Bourne.

We need a tag for 200k.

Cindy blog-mistress is already cracking the blog-whip.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

citizenvirgil, melow out my man its afterhours...grab a drink or your favorite intoxicant and mellow out....it will be what is...we cant change anything......just contimplate just how much mark rypien actually did rule

Posted by: clawrence | January 24, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, geesh. My infinite apologies to Mr. Boswell for thoughtlessly misspelling his name as "Wilbon."

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who were interested in the worlds biggest music poll, for which I posted a voting link to a few days ago, will be on tomorrow, starting from about 6pm EST (I think?), you can listen to it on triplej.abc.net.au

I'll be at a BBQ, celebrating Australia Day, listening to the Hottest 100 countdown, watching the Aussies try and salvage a draw from the Indians in the cricket. I might also be sinking a few ZB's

Posted by: kost52 | January 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I expect I'm going to get grief for posting this, but here goes! It's corny, but heartfelt:


Dear Mr. Snyder,

I imagine it came as a pretty big blow to you when Coach Gibbs left a couple weeks ago. Apparently, you wanted him to continue coaching your team for many more years, but family obligations prevented that. Lifelong Redskins fans such as myself remain grateful that you were able to coax "St. Joe" out of retirement. We were also impressed with the way you and the organization handled the terrible tragedy of Sean Taylor's death. There is no doubt you genuinely care about the team and want it to win another championship.

I guess that is why many of us find the events that have transpired over the past two weeks so puzzling. It seemed evident to us that when Gibbs retired he felt confident that he was leaving the team in good hands coaching-wise. Coach Gibbs personally recruited Gregg Williams to be his defensive coordinator. Over the past seasons, he clearly appeared (to us) to be grooming Williams to be his successor after he retired. Coach Williams clearly learned many important lessons working with Joe Gibbs, which was amply demonstrated in the way he handled the death of his most talented defensive player in mid-season.

Of course, it is the owner's prerogative to choose his own Head Coach. But two weeks ago you were ready to trust Coach Gibbs with your football team for the next several years. Doesn't it make sense to trust his instincts now on who could best continue building this team and lead it to victory in the Super Bowl? I think I speak for a lot of fans when I ask you to put your trust in Coach Gibbs one last time and select Gregg Williams as your next Head Coach. You will earn the gratitude of thousands of fans in the greatest football town in the nation!

Respectfully,

John Touhey

Posted by: johnptouhey | January 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Joey T over the Rip anyday. But DW in the 2nd Q of the 87 bowl was tops.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

According to Jasno and Reid's new article Snyder has managed to piss off the two leading HC candidates - oh and lets not forget about the fans.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/24/AR2008012403212.html

How does this guy continue to F things up? Nothing he does seems to go right.

Posted by: david | January 24, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Have at it kost!
Happy Aussie day and like, such as...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 24, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Amen Touhey. Now if we could only get "Jimmy" from the Black Donnelleys to deliver a copy of the letter to the Danny in person, torture Vinny in the process, and refuse to leave until the Danny hired GW.

Posted by: boot1 | January 24, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

"Fan reaction to Fassel has been intense, and the team has taken pause in the process."

TAKEN PAUSE??? Are you kidding? I am sick to my stomach thinking that this damn owner has the audacity to tear this team apart and simply nullify the work these players have put into this past season. Only arrogant men such as Snyder and Vinny C would be clueless enough not to understand the importance of handing the coaching job to GW.

My dearest and most heartfelt condolescences to GW and the current coaching staff. Your work this past season was tremendous and honorable. I am sorry that you have been so dishonored. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. If GW doesn't get the job, I will no longer be a Skins fan. This is utter chaos.

Posted by: dasguptad | January 24, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. Wish our team had an owner with a clue. Why wait until after the SB? There aren't any good candidates there either. My vote is for Schwartz. (Originally Williams, but obviously that's not happening.)

Posted by: lordtwang | January 24, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

just hire Williams already. sheesh. i'm tired of the drama of this team.

LETS GO CAPS!!!

CapsFanInHollywood

Posted by: blushfilms | January 24, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

So grand coach retires and he is replaced by long time successful defensive coordinator and......sucks......can we say Pettibone anyone?

Williams and this staff have sucked it up for four years minus to good winning streaks we're way way way below .500 and choked away so many games with bad decisions and bad coaching. How many games did we watch the defense fold late and give away the game. How often did we see run run pass punt with a second half lead? And Gibbs did nothing on this staff but decide when to go for it on fourth down and when to call too many timeouts. And how quickly did all of those players who are now "endorsing" GG criticize him during the one year his system faltered, how do you think his ego'd do through a 5-11 season? I'm sorry but Williams just isn't the guy, and neither is Saunders, we should thank Joe for the very talented roster he put together, thank him that most of that roster is under contract, and find the right guys to properly coach that talent. This hire needs to be two things, somebody who can work with the Danny and the Vinny and somebody who will develop the #1 asset of this team...Jason Campbell. And that aint GG!!!! Or Al Saunders who has built the most unnecessarily complicated offensive system in the NFL that relies on experience, quick decision making, and reading defenses...all of which will take a long time for Jason to get good at.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

R.I.P. JKC. They don't make em like they used to (I'm 27). Scientology is mind control.

Posted by: jddeyoung | January 25, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh man I'm so beat about this. Football ain't all x's and o's. Norv could do that all day. It's about team, baby. Something Dannyboy never learned about. You can't get a heart transplant every other season. Doesn't work that way. Williams as HC.

Posted by: hyperbanana | January 25, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Psst *whispers* Is it not too late to throw good ole Pepper Rodgers name into the head coaching search? LMFAO. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH. Honestly this is sad. Truly a sad situation. Of course I can see Snyder now..."Patience, patience, and patience." Sure patience is required but c'mon how many interviews have you had to this point. No offense but Williams knows plenty more football than your butt buddy Vinny *bug eyes* Cerrato. Ugh fearing that we are once again going to be a laughing stock franchise. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Jonamath | January 25, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse


THIS IS ONE OF THE COOLEST PICTURES I HAVE EVER SEEN.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/longterm/cooke/gallery/jkchap.htm

VERY TELLING.

Posted by: the_squire | January 25, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Virgil -- not sure what you are looking at, but saying that Seifert didn't workout following Walsh is just wrong. Seifert got to 100 wins faster than any coach in history and won 2 Super Bowls. By those standards, Gibbs 1 wasn't all that good either!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

NASA has just announced that Dan Snyder has leased time on the Hubble Space Telescope to continue his search for a new head coach.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Ok Fassel tanked is own bid by blabbing. That is awsome.

GW does not like Vinny. No one does but unlike gibbs GW can't hide it. We can have a coach that can't stand Vinny.

We need to buy the team.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Jla you need to be more careful in your reporting.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

No greater fan base in the US or maybe the world. We gots lots of rich people just need 1 billion and some partners.

2-4 years it can happen. Then move the team back to DC.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Let em take all the time they want I say.
Snyder has the right to interview every eligible quality candidate and the OC of the Patriots and the DC of the Giants are definitely viable candidates.

Everyone needs to calm down.......

The Redskins coaches will do their jobs and the scouts will do their jobs for the draft....

THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS....thats what they are paid to do....and paid well.

Posted by: goosedude | January 25, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

VAMOS UNITED!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 25, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Just got off the mountain after night boarding on effectively a sheet of ice. I got knocked around and now know what it feels like to be GG.

Now, more to the point, I have one drink in me this evening: should it be tequila or Jaeger?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

BTW, can't wait for Barno to leverage his inside sources to refute JLaC's interpretation of events. I really want to know the real story and am waiting with baited breath.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

>>> "Let em take all the time they want I say."

The problem with this sentiment is that the head coach, his assistants, and his scheme dictates the personnel the team needs in free agency and the draft. As we all know, "Mr." Snyder is quite gifted at going out on day 1 of free agency and getting everyone he (and, presumably, the staff) wants. And, as we all know, if you wait until day 2 or 3 of free agency, the pickin's are pretty slim.

A head coach is needed ASAP in order to imbue the organization with a purpose, philosophy, and scheme with which to subsequently match players in free agency and the draft.

I have no problems with waiting until February 3rd to pick a coach, particularly if it's McDaniels. But right now, at this very moment, reading what JLaC has written in his article today, it's fairly clear that "Mr." Snyder has a) no clue what he's doing and b) alienated everyone involved in the process.

And, yes, I lend infinitely more credence to JLaC than I do to, say, barno.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Just finished reading Boswell and Wilbon's articles. You may have sentiment against JLaC (and by "you", I mean barno...the same dude who spouted lies defending President Bush earlier this week), but if every single columnist using every single source they have corroborates the facts found by "the beat reporter", then I tend to believe "the beat reporter" more than I do some random dude on the Internet. His reporting has reflected the truth: an organization without purpose and direction, that is twisting in the wind with whatever decision its mercurial and impetuous owner desires, and is utterly devoid of a man with sufficient ballast to protect the hardworking football people from his randomizations.

I tend to defend "Mr." Snyder's business and marketing acumen quite a bit, even if I chastise his abilities as an NFL owner. But this whole process, veiled in secrecy and paranoia, is a fairly accurate summation of how not to run a business of any kind.

What we have here is worse than a clueless Bill Bidwill. We have a man who is wantonly destructive of those who dare challenge him. He seems to be immature and pathetic.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm headed to Vegas tomorrow for no particular reason. I have three projects: 1) learn how to bet on sports, 2) get immaculately intoxicated, and 3) break even at the craps table.

I humbly ask for three things: 1) no head coach announcement, for I would like to commiserate with my fellow hamsters when "Mr." Snyder names Ray Handley, 2) no discussion of pie...in Vegas, you can get anything your little heart desires, and what I would love right now is a Quiche Lorraine and a Pumpkin Pie, 3) "Mr." Snyder to challenge me to one hand of blackjack for control of the team.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey Diddy, you still thinking about coming down here for a bit of a holiday? Or did you decide on Europe?

Posted by: kost52 | January 25, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

My boy Bogut is having a good January. Starting to reach some of his potential.

Posted by: kost52 | January 25, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

I could come down there! Why not? I love ANZAC Day celebrations...

I won't go to Melbourne, though :-) I'm an honorary Aussie, and, specifically, an honorary Sydneysider.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Let em take all the time they want I say.
Snyder has the right to interview every eligible quality candidate and the OC of the Patriots and the DC of the Giants are definitely viable candidates.

Everyone needs to calm down.......

The Redskins coaches will do their jobs and the scouts will do their jobs for the draft....

THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS....thats what they are paid to do....and paid well.

Posted by: goosedude

How come every time someone says something MF crazy it is from a previusly unknown poster.

goosedude you are a tool. Go F your self. You were up in here last night with a kdjf kind of name. Vinny Sucks everyone knows that, even Snyder deep in his hart.

F registration if we can't keep Snyders minions off the blog than what is the point. We could have a blast with this.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Please a challenge to all Tools out there.

Make your case for a 3rd round of butt boy Vinny and Dan the man running the show.

I am not talking about the coaching which is a joke but those two fools.

yelling at coaches, vanilla ice cream, the ball coach, jeff George ect.

Earn your pay minions.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

OMG

Dallas fans are going to come in hear talk seet and what are we going to retort?

King Card is going to rip us a new one.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

has anyone ever dreamed about blogging their guts out?

I just did.

It was weird.

Posted by: Dorf | January 25, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Kost52-
I was referring to JLC's & the local TV & radio station's reports that Fassel was to be announced coach on Thurs. They based these conclusions on heresay (not admissable in a court of law!)--"according to league or team sources"-- who is that?? The janitor? The team tech-geek? Unless you speak directly to the person you are reporting on or have an OFFICIAL announcement from the team you are merely rumor mongering in a sea of speculation. A reporter (at least a good one) will VERIFY his/her sources and not just go on "someone said that Snyder/Gibbs/Fassel/Redskins did/will/think/feels" Snyder and the FO are keeping this thing deep under cover-no one outside of probably Dan & Vinny truly has any idea what is going down. Yeah, maybe Fassel lied to JLC OR looking at the date that piece was written (1/18), maybe Fassel hadn't talked with the Redskins yet! If reporters want to express their opinions they should preface their remarks and repeat it often that "THIS IS MY OPINION OR I AM (TEAM SOURCES ARE) MERELY SPECULATING THAT..." because readers focus on the meaty bits of the news and when the small caveat "team/league sources" is added in toward the end it is lost and people believe you are stating a fact. JLC's article this morning states that Joe Gibbs called up the other coaches to fill them in " team sources said". Last I heard, JG was in Charlotte playing with his race cars and grandbabies-why would he call all the way back here when the "team sources" are in the same building as the coaches? Why wouldn't the FO let the coaches know what is up?? The team will have someone not involved in the process provide info.?? "He/she said that Joe said..." Sounds like middle school to me! I'll believe the HC news when it comes officially from the Redskins, period!

Posted by: cmtdodge | January 25, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Mr Snyder are you and Vinny Cerrato deciding on the coach? Both of you are excellent where money or business decisions are concerned, but terrible at making actual football judgements. Hire a GM that knows football to hire a new coach or go with who Joe Gibbs recomended. If Mr Cerrato doesn't like that person or can't get along with them, then find someone else to replace him. Piss or get off the pot! Your turning the Redskins into a joke.

Posted by: visionist37 | January 25, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Boswell's column hits the nail on the head.

Key words--"CONTINUITY" by Danny boy and Gibbs--"STABILITY"

Who's kidding whom? We're a joke around the league. Who the hell wants to work in the Redskins front office with 2 such self-proclaimed football gurus?

After they raze the team for another dream in the sky, I'm hoping one day we hear chants of fans imploring Snyder to leave much like Detroit did last year for ole Matt Millan. That would be sweet. Enough is enough.

Posted by: copley | January 25, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Ron Meeks coached our secondary in 2000 when we were 2nd in the league against the pass. I think that's the Deion/Carrier/Bruce Smith year. Make GWilliams the head guy with Zorn as OC and Meeks as DC. That would appease everyone and Meeks or Zorn could be successors if GWilliams doesn't work out. Simple. Done. Finished.

Posted by: freedom0125 | January 25, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Today is student success day and I volunteered to take the kids who got excessive referrals and house them during the educationally theme related dramatic media presentation. I brought in Elf to watch (cause I can) on my laptop while the angels do their work.

Why am I saying all of this?

Daniel Snyder reminds me of the "angry elf" Miles Finch from the movie.

I see a resemblance!

http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/0319343/Ss/0319343/elf_col64-28a.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0319343

Posted by: Dorf | January 25, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree with the 'Skins of Gibbs/Cooke were honorable winners, which is the ONLY reason I've remained a Redskin fan at the return of Gibbs. The only franchises left like that now are Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Indy, Ravens, Jacksonville and Carolina. I'd include the Pats but Belechick makes it hard, yet Bob Craft runs his organization the right way.

When, NOT IF, Snyder screws this the last act as a Redskin Gibbs should perform is taking Snyder out to the woodshed and givng this little boy an old' fashioned but-whuppin, letting Snyder know how disappointed he is in his lack of class, veracity, and infidelity (Continuity? CONTINUITY?).

This crap is probably why Sixx Flaggs are loosing money and failing, too: Snyder is HORRIBLE with people, and we must keep praying those Rosaries for him to sell this team.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 25, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Speaking personally, what really has me livid is how this terrific coaching staff has been disrespected and treated like crap by a couple of punks! Fassell may be a good coach, but under these conditions there is no way he would have any support from the fans. In other words, he would not even have a "honeymoon" period. I use to just not like Snyder, now I have a visceral hate for that moron. Who cares if he doesn't feel "comfortable" with Williams! It's not like they are going to sleep together!!!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm, I wonder if Cerrato can say anything other than "Yes, sir" to Danny when they have their executive meetings. Oh, well I guess that Cerrato may have added "Danny, Gregg Williams actually thinks that he is smarter than me. Ha, ha, ha, we will show him something, won't we Danny?"

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

What will happen if the Redskins end up getting either Spagnoulo from the Giants, or McDaniels from the Pats?

Just curious....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

SENDING GIBBS TO TALK WITH STAFF
snyderboy totally lacks interpersonal skills and communication skills -- he's obviously uncomfortable speaking in public and seems unable to cultivate friends and relationships (vinnie excepted) --- makes you wonder how such a flawed human being could get so rich --- i guess his bulldog personna did it --- god knows he's got nothing else to work with

Posted by: bestmick1 | January 25, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Boy some of you all are never happy. All i've heard for days is NO FASSEL!!!!!! now that danny didn't hire him and is still searching, you all are giving him a hard time for taking to long. Lets face Williams isn't the man, get over it. I for one am glad he's taking his time to find what he thinks is the right person for the job.

Posted by: drumer1972 | January 25, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I'll believe the HC news when it comes officially from the Redskins, period!

Posted by: cmtdodge | January 25, 2008 07:49 AM

That seems like a pretty good idea, since it sounds as if you already work there.

If Dan and Vinny had even the slightest clue how to operate a professional football team properly, none of this mess would exist, and then none of it would have to be reported. It's THEIR choice to keep everything a big secret, so they get what they deserve for not being honest and transparent with the fans.

Since you seem good at making suggestions, why don't you suggest to Dan and Vinny that they step away from the day-to-day operation of the team, and hire a competent and NFL-respected General Manager to do the simple and mundane things like conduct a coaching search? Vinny can go back to running the Scouting organization, and Dan can get back to impressing us with his marketing skills.

Have a nice day.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Boy some of you all are never happy. All i've heard for days is NO FASSEL!!!!!! now that danny didn't hire him and is still searching, you all are giving him a hard time for taking to long. Lets face Williams isn't the man, get over it. I for one am glad he's taking his time to find what he thinks is the right person for the job.

Posted by: drumer1972 | January 25, 2008 08:19 AM

I also want Snyder to find the right guy for the job, but there is nobody out there he can hire. They either can't make lateral moves, don't want to come here, or already have coaching gigs. He might as well start looking at college coaches again or someone within the current staff. It's sad, but true.

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 25, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Is there any doubt left? Snyder and Cerrato have NO CLUE how to run and NFL team, and Washington will never win a championship with them at the helm.
Brace yourselves for the Nuclear Winter that is upon us and get used to it.
Snyder's arrogance will haunt this franchise for years to come. It will be a long, long time before this team is run correctly. Likely decades.

Posted by: SavedByZero | January 25, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

This must be a sobering experience for Vinny and Dan. For once, all the money in the world can't but them what (or who) they want.

Most openings for head coach are for loser teams -- Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami. The Redskins were in the playoffs, so they've got talent. And people won't even talk to Mr. Snyder about the job or, if they do talk to him, it's only to get a better offer from their present employers. That is squarely on the ownership.

I'd like to think that Dan Snyder is smart enough to see what's happened to the 'Skins, but his last pronouncement on the subject was, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." That's not encouraging.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does Danny remind you of Michael Corelone in GodFather 2? Maybe it's the black hair and people all around him kissing his body part. Seriously, he's Al Pacino in another role.

Posted by: copley | January 25, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me we might be having some more "Marty ball" around here....and I like it.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I really don't think we know the full extent of the disaster that those 2 a$$clowns have gotten us into. How good of a job do you think our contingent at the senior bowl is doing?? They don't know the status of their jobs and are getting laughed at. I'm sure they are doing great evaluations, NOT! For the guy that said he appreciates Snyder taking his time, Snyder has no choice! This coach search is a complete debacle in every way! No team is willing to accomodate that jerk. I bet Norv enjoyed telling the boy king that he couldn't interview the San Diego QB coach.

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Dallas fans are going to come in hear talk seet and what are we going to retort?

King Card is going to rip us a new one.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 05:17 AM

Got news for you mul,I talked to one of my boys yesterday who happens to be a Cowboys fan and we always go at each other.He wouldn't even rub it in.What does that say about our pitifulness when our most hated rival's fans wont rag on us.I guess they feel like what could they possibly say to make us feel as dumb as we look right now?This shti is FUBAR.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me we might be having some more "Marty ball" around here....and I like it.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 08:39 AM

I would loose alot of respect for Marty if he came back to work for Snyder after the way he was treated the last time. Marty would simply be a prostitute by coming back here!

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Dallas fans are going to come in hear talk seet and what are we going to retort?

King Card is going to rip us a new one.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 05:17 AM

Dallas is the least of our problems right now. I pray every night that Joe Gibbs will use his Nascar dollars and buy the Redskins!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but what snyder is doing isn't helping the coaching search. By being "patient", he's effectively taking potential candidates out of the picture. Being patient only makes sense if the wait will benefit you, most likely by opening up room for other potential candidates. While waiting will allow snyder to interview Pats' and Giants' staff, it will also sour the relationship with current candidates. Snyder will end up alienating the current coaching staff, as well as other people he's been talking to, and will end up with a choice between two guys he hasn't interviewed yet and have expressed negative interest in other jobs (spagnuolo & mcdaniels) and jim fassel.

Don't you think there's a reason Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn are opting not to come here? I'm willing to bet the reason isn't financial...

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Again, what happens if we end up with Spagnulo, or McDaniels?

Is it ok to reserve judgement until something actually happens?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me we might be having some more "Marty ball" around here....and I like it.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 08:39 AM

I would love to have Marty back. I thought he got a bad deal last time.

Posted by: drumer1972 | January 25, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

To those of you saying we are contradicting ourselves, it's not really about the head coach as much as the position the Redskins are now in to find a head coach.

Promoting Vinny is a huge negative and ensures years of the same crap we have been through since before Snyder even bought the team. Very few teams without a professional GM are successful. Look at how much better the Wizards have become with a real GM (Grunfeld)instead of the franchise son (Unseld).

Not giving the job to Williams is emotional more than anything else, but the main concern here is that the Skins (not the blog) publicly stated and emphasized the desire to continue down the path that Joe Gibbs II started...and that didn't send the message that we are going to hire a new head coach and gut the staff.

Also, the lack of communication with the players is unprofessional.

They have turned this situation into a joke and I will admit that my enthusiasm for the Redskins organization as a whole as taken a hit. I would compare it to how I have felt about baseball since the strike in 1994 wiped out the season and World Series. I still watch the game, I like it when the Orioles win, but I am very inddifferent to the team and spend as little money trying to be a fan.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree with the 'Skins of Gibbs/Cooke were honorable winners, which is the ONLY reason I've remained a Redskin fan at the return of Gibbs. The only franchises left like that now are Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Indy, Ravens, Jacksonville and Carolina. I'd include the Pats but Belechick makes it hard, yet Bob Craft runs his organization the right way.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 25, 2008 08:07 AM

What? Pittsburgh has the most arrogant and annoying fans of any pro football team, I should know, I live in Ohio. The team itself, maybe, but the fans, no. And Baltimore, their team is a bunch of whiners and hoods.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Warning: Speculation.

It seems to me that Danny must have been happy enough with Gregg's defensive coaching, otherwise why interview him for the HC job? And it must also be the presumption that if Gregg doesn't get the HC job he won't want to stick around to be DC under someone else. So what's the problem? Maybe the impasse is over offensive philosophy. Maybe Gregg wants to keep Al and Danny wants him gone. Maybe it all boils down to that.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Shorter News Update:

Danny: Guys? Anyone got any ideas? Hell, I'll just do it myself. Guys?

Vinny: Don't worry Danster. I'm here for you buddy.

Danny: At least I got you Vinny

(Warm Embrace)

Scene

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should start a "No Dollars for Danny" movement.

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Did I miss something?

Why does everyone keep talking about McDaniels as a possible head coach? He was quoted all of this month in numerous places for numerous jobs saying he was "not interested".

And with how successful the Patriots are I would guess that they could match any financial offer to keep him as their OC.

This leaves the Giants guy, Meeks, Barno, and Idi Amin as the only other alternatives.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Why hasn't anyone talked to Russ?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Is hiring Barno as Head Coach really the wise thing to do? The first thing he would probably do is cut Chris Cooley, all because of a signature on a DVD. That wouldn't be very good.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This leaves the Giants guy, Meeks, Barno, and Idi Amin as the only other alternatives.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 08:55 AM

Now that is funny.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Why hasn't anyone talked to Russ?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 08:58 AM

I have ask the same question ?
He knows redskins football. I wouldn't mind having him as our coach.

Posted by: drumer1972 | January 25, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Is hiring Barno as Head Coach really the wise thing to do?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 09:00 AM

Crix,

I'm sure that the Post's coverage of the 'Skins would become more objective. Or else.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Warning: Speculation.

It seems to me that Danny must have been happy enough with Gregg's defensive coaching, otherwise why interview him for the HC job? And it must also be the presumption that if Gregg doesn't get the HC job he won't want to stick around to be DC under someone else. So what's the problem? Maybe the impasse is over offensive philosophy. Maybe Gregg wants to keep Al and Danny wants him gone. Maybe it all boils down to that.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 25, 2008 08:53 AM

In my opinion the impasse is over Vinny C. I think Gregg wants to have the same input on personnel that Gibbs had, but snyder has given full authority on the roster to that bug eyed fool Vinny. On another issue, I bet Gregg Williams intimidates snyder and cerrato, so they want to get some yesman to be the coach.

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Got news for you mul,I talked to one of my boys yesterday who happens to be a Cowboys fan and we always go at each other.He wouldn't even rub it in.What does that say about our pitifulness when our most hated rival's fans wont rag on us.I guess they feel like what could they possibly say to make us feel as dumb as we look right now?This shti is FUBAR.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 08:43 AM

Cowboy fans have no reason to rag on anyone after they lost to the Giants and have now been raped by the Dolphins. The Redskins could still come out ok if Danny just reverses course and hires Williams and just retains everybody. The Boys are screwed.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 25, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This leaves the Giants guy, Meeks, Barno, and Idi Amin as the only other alternatives.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 08:55 AM

Now that is funny.


Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 09:00 AM

If Idi Amin gets the gig, we can only hope he would eat snyder and cerrato!

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Hahaha! Can you imagine the press conferences with Barno as Head Coach and Jasno as the Beat Reporter???

Priceless!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

You've got to wonder whether Snyder might be forced to sell the Redskins. He could make a ton of money off his investment in the team, and he's losing a ton of money on his other big investment -- Six Flags.

He's probably financially structured to prevent it, but he could find himself in a position where he has no choice but to sell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I hear you skinfanman,but you're talking about on the field stuff and we're always gonna rag on each other about that,but we have some serious issues with our front office situation and if Huggy Bear and the Boy Wonder dont change the way they operate this is how its gonna be for a long time.

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Can someone at the Washington Post please take Jim Fassel's face off the Redskins page on this web site. The thought of him potentially being our coach makes me sick. I really don't want to see his face everything I try to get an update on the coaching search. Thank you.

Candy Angle

Posted by: cangle12 | January 25, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm just stupid but who is Barno?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Barno is one of the better-known contributors here on the RI blog.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

So so tired of the Snyder's an idiot....CONTINUITY!...I'm not going to be a fan anymore rants....what a joke, you all will be fans, continuity is only a good thing when there's been a modicum of success (which outside of two lucky playoff runs this franchise has been floundering still with bad gameday decisions and lots of questionable personnel calls), and Snyder had no idea this was coming so he absolutely should take his time and find the right guy, and please him of the manboobs is not that guy, I hope and pray that Snyder goes after McDaniels who has engineered the most prolific offense in history and gets him to come here and guide Campbell to becoming a great QB. The league has 5-10 guys who can coach a defense just as good or better than GG and Saunders 700 pages of BS doesn't work for JC, we need a different offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks cricket.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

zjfr, STOP USING LOGIC AND BEING SENSIBLE!!!!

There is no place on this blog for that kind of stuff!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

So so tired of the Snyder's an idiot....CONTINUITY!...I'm not going to be a fan anymore rants....what a joke, you all will be fans, continuity is only a good thing when there's been a modicum of success (which outside of two lucky playoff runs this franchise has been floundering still with bad gameday decisions and lots of questionable personnel calls

Saunders 700 pages of BS doesn't work for JC, we need a different offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 09:23 AM

Lucky? We beat a lot of good teams to get to those twp playoffs. A modicum of success? Do you not remember the level of success for the 13 previous years? And try not to forhet that when the playbook was opened up for JC he did pretty well with some good numbers. He had late game issues and OL issues. Collins showed what that offense was capable of and JC's got more talent and youth. He just needs some more experience.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

zjfr,

Peter Angelos of the Baltimore Orioles seems to have had a similar attitude toward the fans, and the fan base there has been eroding for the past 10 years. Fans will only put up with so much lunacy, and then they begin to walk away for good. Don't say it can't happen here, because it can. And it will, unless dramatic changes occur in the next year or two.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

This is from FoxSports

Team Report: Inside Slant

Inside Slant | Notes and Quotes | Strategy and Personnel
It appeared increasingly likely by Jan. 23, 15 days after coach Joe Gibbs' surprise retirement, that former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel would be his successor.

Redskins owner Dan Snyder and newly promoted executive vice president Vinny Cerrato have done their best to keep the coaching search quiet, but word leaked out on Jan. 22 that they had interviewed Fassel in Arizona on Jan. 11 and met with him again on Jan. 21 in Washington. Snyder and Cerrato had interviewed Fassel in 2004 before luring Gibbs out of retirement.
Hiring Fassel would be a slap in the face not only to Gibbs' presumed successor, assistant head coach/defense Gregg Williams, but to the Hall of Fame coach who had hoped Snyder would live up to his professed belief in continuity after Washington's second playoff season in three years.

Williams produced three top 10 defenses in four years in Washington -- doing so in 2007 despite the murder of Pro Bowl safety Sean Taylor in November and season-ending injuries to cornerback Carlos Rogers in October and linebacker Rocky McIntosh in December.

However, Williams clearly didn't mesh with Snyder and Cerrato during multiple meetings after Gibbs' Jan. 8 retirement. So although the rest of the coaching staff and the players were universally supportive of Williams taking over, the owner opted for a bigger name.

Fassel, 58, first earned acclaim in working with quarterbacks John Elway in Denver (1993-94) and Boomer Esiason in Arizona (1996) before becoming the Giants' coach in 1997.

Fassel was 60-56-1 in New York, surprisingly winning the NFC East in his debut season and then leading the 2000 Giants to the Super Bowl thanks to a seven-game winning streak. He was fired after a 4-12 season in 2003 and moved on to Baltimore where he failed to turn around a long-laggard offense and was fired again in October 2006. He failed to land the offensive coordinator's job in Kansas City that was recently filled by Chan Gailey.

Fassel's hiring would likely trigger a mass exodus on the coaching staff, including Williams and associate head coach Al Saunders. The latter's departure would mean that quarterback Jason Campbell would have to learn a third offense in his fourth NFL season and his seventh in eight years dating back to his Auburn tenure.

"Any new coach is going to want to bring in his own staff," said a veteran Redskin. "You would hate to see a young quarterback start over again with another new offense."

Cerrato's newly announced control over the roster had players shaking their heads about a return to the bad old days of 2002-03 when Cerrato and Snyder dominated coach Steve Spurrier and the Redskins went 12-20, their worst two-year record since 1993-94.

"Vinny's not a bad person, but he was here when they made some terrible mistakes with the personnel," one player said.

"I hope they don't change the Joe Gibbs way of running things," a veteran said. "I would hate to see what we've got going ripped apart."

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

The league has 5-10 guys who can coach a defense just as good or better than GG and Saunders 700 pages of BS doesn't work for JC, we need a different offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 09:23 AM

Only two problems. None of the 5-10 guys you mentioned is willing to come to the Redskins, and JC, himself, says that he's happy in the Saunders system.

Look, it's become obvious that the Redskins cannot find two better coaches than Williams and Saunders. We could find a better owner, or a better GM, but given that we're stuck with Mutt and Jeff, we can't find better coaches.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Your better off never knowing Barno...hang out, it will rear his head...

To me, and I have said this since middle of 06 season and it only makes more sense now, they must hire Russ Grimm. Its the only path outta this mess now. Why you ask:

- He will now act has some semblance of staying to gibbsian philosophy while also mixing in fresh, hungry ideas. He could probably keep the younger and talented coaches around ie Byner, Olvi, Danny Smith, Blanche.

- He would keep Buges which keeps continuity in the position that most needs it. O line.

- It would bring someone in to help the PR mess.

- He has worked for snyder before so he knows the gig somewhat.

- He has been an understudy under these guys: Gibbs, Buges, Hanifan, Cowher, Malarky, Norv, Whizenhut. All have been headcoaches, a few superbowls in there, and lots of successes as coordinators. Not a bad schooling.

- He has been working in, studying and networking in the modern NFL and brings that perspective.

- He will utilize the talents we already have ie depth at RB, get the most from vet o line, and he has schemed to protect young QBs (Big Ben anyone? Big arm and can move, does make some boneheaded descions at times, has a leadership quality intangible..sound familiar?)

- He has deep and rich exp. Were now waiting 2 weeks to hire guys who have little exp as even OC/DC???

- Oline explayers and position coaches make good HC: Andy Reid, Holmgre, Madden to name a few...

Just do it! at least interview for f's sake!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

awwwwwwwwww... are poor Danny and Vinny frustrated by the rules surrounding poaching other teams assistant coaches?

well I tell you what, you Panda Jerk Napolean freak, I'm also frustrated with having to stop at red lights and paying taxes.

the nerve of this guy. is he beyond the rules? would he like it if some idiot owner was sending a private plane and throwing 20 gagillion at one of his hand-picked assistants or coaches?

I hate you Ron Burgundy!

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"... 3. He is a horrible writer who masks his lack of talent with vocabulary, the sure sign of someone who lacks confidence in their ability."

Posted by: PDiddy | January 24, 2008 03:33 PM

" ... the truth: an organization without purpose and direction, that is twisting in the wind with whatever decision its mercurial and impetuous owner desires, and is utterly devoid of a man with sufficient ballast to protect the hardworking football people from his randomizations."

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 03:06 AM

Just kidding, PDiddy ... the second one is print edition-worthy ... to me, its poetic diction rather than mere vocabulary.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Barno is one of the better-known contributors here on the RI blog."

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 25, 2008 09:22 AM

Better-known ... but some might suggest that its because he doesn't know better. ;)

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, Barno is far more than 'one of the better-known contributors.' He is the lone voice of reason up here, ever challenging us to shed our oblivious natures and question every word written by Jason La Canfora, Redskins beat reporter and host of this blog.

Barno despises the way Jason covers the team, and he meticulously documents every grievance against the reporter, every journalistic misstep he perceives. Barno wants Jason to lose his job as the beat reporter, and his tireless campaign will apparently continue unabated until that day comes.

Barno's polemics used to be vaguely entertaining, but nowadays I hate his comments as much as he hates everything Jason writes.


Also, Barno won a contest up here during training camp '06 by writing a fake song, and he never received the prize Jason promised, a 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot' DVD autographed by Chris Cooley. Barno denies that this has anything to do with the animosity he bears against Jason's reporting, but I have my doubts.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

would he like it if some idiot owner was sending a private plane and throwing 20 gagillion at one of his hand-picked assistants or coaches?

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 25, 2008 09:33 AM

It's time for Jacksonville to force the issue and ask for permission to interview Gregg Williams to be its Defensive Coordinator.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Even in that 4 game win streak we only had one good win, we beat a bad Bears team that has no quarterback and only a punt returner as a true weapon, inexplicably the Giants called 60 passes in a hurricane and they dropped 20 passes in that game, we got a disinterested Cowboys team at home with nothing to play for....the only good win in that stretch was at MN, and yes that was a remarkable win but not for the only good in game move of Gibbs 2.0 (the 12 man challenge) that game looked like another one slipping away in the 2nd half. I just don't see where this team was that special....we pulled off a backs against the wall stretch of wins after a great tragedy pulled the team together and gave it an emotional reason to play to get to third in our division in a year that McNabb was 80% for half the season, at the most it is a highly talented roster that underachieved, which has been the norm for the highest paid/least performing coaching staff in history but I tend to think without the emotion of the Taylor tragedy this team was headed to somewhere around 7-9 and mediocrity again.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Here are two things I would like to clear up (my own opinions of course):

A Number 1: No one has any evidence that Cerrato's new role will be a bad thing. If he becomes a defacto GM, that is a good thing. IDIOT FANS have somehow decided to make Cerrato a skapegoat for everything that is wrong with this organization. Cerrato has become the fall-guy for every bad decision that Gibbs, Williams, and The Danny have made, and this is entirely unfair. I think Cerrato may have benefitted from Gibb's tenure here more than anyone else in the organization. He is young, and should only get better in his "GM-like" role as time goes on. He has the respect of alot of people in other organizations and in the media... because he's a smart dude. If Snyder will just let the man keep his draft picks, we can expect to get some good talent in the coming years.

B Number 2: I think its atleast 90% certain that Greg and Danny didn't see eye-to-eye over two things:
1) Total Control. Double G likely wanted the same control Gibbs had - which would have been a foolish move on Snyders part. Snyders ignoring Cerrato and giving GG what he wanted led to us screwing Arrington over and going after Arch-Deluxe... did we all forget about William's arrogance costing us the franchise's most beloved playmaker? Which leads us to...
2)Williams hates Cerrato... likely because Cerrato has been right about a number of personnel decisions where GG has been wrong. Greg probably wanted Cerrato gone. I mean, why keep around a guy who is going to make you look bad? Snyders response to GG's feelings on Cerrato was to give him a new title and extension. Good for Danny.

C Number 3:What about Meeks? He seems woefully overlooked in this whole process. At the present time, I think he may be the best man for the job.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

zjfr,

Give it up. You're never going to convince anyone with those tired arguments about why the 9-7 season was a failure.

The 'Skins overachieved last year in the face of numerous injuries that kept seven starters off the field, and others at half speed, while they faced the toughest schedule in the NFL. Saunders and Williams have outstanding records of success in this league and losing either or both of them will be another sign of ineptitude in ownership and management.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

We want continuity and to have this decided as quickly as possible. Dan Snyder is a complete lying scumbag. I hope he somehow loses all his money and has to live in a cardboard box since he has single handedly turned this franchise into a laughingstock. Why wait for the Super Bowl. McDaniels already said he is staying and why would you want to leave NE for this joke of a team. Spagnuolo?? Only idiotic franchises like us and Atlanta would get all excited about him because of 3 playoff wins. F'ing embarrassing.

Posted by: cdubb | January 25, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

My man your wearing me out. Is there anything more soul crushing the ripping apart the few fun times its been to be a Skins fan the last 15 years. Football is about building year to year its a progression, its hard to argue that the Gibbs years didn't leave with a healthier team that he entered with and it would have been practical, smart, pragmatic, interesting, fun, wise to see if that foundation could be expanded. Worst case scenario is, it couldnt and you can rebuild in 2 years when a bunch of contracts were up anyway....


Read Boswell's column and tell me that doesn't ring true. But for the love of Loki quit shouting and repeating the same post 348 times!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

and I think Russ Grimm would be an absolutely perfect hire, and he or McDaniels are who I'm hoping for...

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Regarding his success with John Elway and Phil Simms, maybe Fassel could be the QB coach.

Isn't Gilbride's official title with the Giants "offensive coordinator - QB coach"?

For all the bad things muttered up here about the Baltimore Browns, with a new head coach with 9 years of special teams (both offensive guys and defensive guys), Cam Cameron at OC and Rex Ryan at DC, it sure seems like they might have gotten a fairly smoothly running organization up there.

I said it before, I'll say it again ("Yes, yes. You told Brant, Brant told me. Did I piss on your rug?"), the only guy who needs to be replaced is Joe Gibbs. Gregg Williams is still under contract. Al Saunders is still under contract. Joe Gibbs/Team President was apparently replaced by Vinny Cerrato/Executive VP for Football Operations. Skins ONLY need a head coach.

dcsween's new lead candidate: Danny Smith.

[I may hit the intergooglewebtubes for special teams stats to see (1) if there is a team with better stats on K yards allowed and P yards allowed who (2) has a contract that expires 1/31. This job of amateur GM is tedious, but someone's gotta do it.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

From Extreme Skins. Danny-Poo has really destroyed a once proud franchise!

Had a long chat with my AFC North scout friend this morning. He is still down at the Senior Bowl and here is the latest he has heard:

He spoke directly with a Redskins coach yesterday while eating dinner. This coach said that, at this point, nobody thinks Gregg Williams would even take the job if it was eventually offered to him. This coach said that the other redskins coaches he has talked to feel very disrepected by being kept in the dark about their status. They all want out of the situation and released from their contracts so they can find employment with another team and some of them have specifically requested a release from their contracts. Snyder didn't allow it and that is when Snyder had Gibbs step in to talk with the coaches and set up meetings with them all next week.

This coach said that here is what the Redskins are looking at for next year: "They will either have a whole new staff or, if most of us are not released from our contracts, they will have a bunch of disgruntled coaches that will hate coming to work everyday."

My buddy's GM told him that he thinks the Redskins have such a mess on their hands right now that it will probably be hard for us to fill a whole staff right now with competent coaches.

My buddy leaves the Senior Bowl tomorrow so I will post anything else I hear.

With all of the discussions I have had with my buddy this week I just don't think as fans we can truly comprehend how toxic this situation is right now inside the Redskins organization. UUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH

HTTR

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I feel the Redskin's fans must take matters into their own hands. We should boycott the Redskins. Buy no merchandise and stop attending the games. We must force this scumbag to sell the Redskins. He has created a toxic environment that will not get better till he is gone. Joe Gibbs, wash your hands of this mess. You should resign as special advisor to this moron!

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Saunders and Williams are great COORDINATORS...they both have miserable records as head coaches....

and why should I stop saying the same thing when my 348 posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of "Snyder is a moron, I hate Cerrato, we need a GM, continuity!, hire Williams, I'm gonna stop being a fan" shabingus.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Barno is an idiot, without reason. He posts what he perceives as missteps when it goes without saying that Jasno "reports" rumors that wouldn't make it into the print edition on the blog. That's the whole point of the blog. Not everything he hears is going to play out. But there are nuggets in there that provide insight into the behind the scenes stuff that doesn't make it into the daily.

The more I hear from Barno the more I think he's actually the Danny in hiding. Because only a real insider who wanted to discredit Jasno's excellent reporting would be such an illiterate nob. Fans want all access even if that means that sometimes what we see and read doesn't play out in the long run. Life is like that.

In my office one of the bosses has been rumored to be leaving for some time. First she was, then she wasn't, and now she is (officially). The rumor mill was flying and there were just as many people on both sides arguing that she would or wouldn't. The TRUTH was they were all right. She confessed to making the decision, recanting, and then making the decision again. The indecision in her that she leaked to the office led to credible accounts on both sides.

I'll ignore the fact that my microcosm is infintesimally small and irrelevant and make my point: EVERY single thing that Barno complains about COULD BE TRUE for a period of time. When Jasno said it looked like Gregg had the job, that was credible! For eff's sake, he had 4 interviews!!! That he didn't end up getting the job doesn't mean that Jasno reported something inaccurately. It means that our owner was as fickle as we all thought.

But Barno can't see the difference. Instead he chooses to spend his time documenting percieved reporting failures and being the Lone Gunman on the hill fighting the Oppressive Force that is Jasno. It's pathetic.

But hey, at least he pushes up number of posts which gives cred to this blog and, in the long run, helps Jasno big time. So keep it up, savant. The more shrill you become, the more posts you write, the stronger Jasno's blog cred goes, so too goes his career trajectory. Who knows. Maybe in 5 years he'll be the next Lenny P and we'll all hate him. But for now, Jasno is the only line we have to the insanity that operates out of Redskins park and I thank him for his dutiful work. Without him we would have to rely on Lenny P.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

" ... we beat a bad Bears team that has no quarterback and only a punt returner as a true weapon, inexplicably the Giants called 60 passes in a hurricane and they dropped 20 passes in that game, ..."

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 09:38 AM

Gong! and thanks for playing ... it was cold (slightly above freezing by game time), but there was no wind to speak of ... and the Skins also lost their starting QB early in the game ... and the Bears' inexplicable passes by Brian Griese lead to nearly 300 yards in the air ... Skins rushing game was dud, but the advent of Toddball spreading the ball around meant double digit yardage by something like six receivers.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Were we watching the same game? there was a ton of wind, it blew Todd's weak armed TD to Cooley in the corner of the end zone to a batted down ball, and led to Eli sailing 20 passes over people's heads, and Moss missing a deep ball cause it got blown 10 yards of course, there was a ton of wind in the meadowlands that day

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Saunders and Williams are great COORDINATORS...they both have miserable records as head coaches....

and why should I stop saying the same thing when my 348 posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of "Snyder is a moron, I hate Cerrato, we need a GM, continuity!, hire Williams, I'm gonna stop being a fan" shabingus.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 09:50 AM

This is a different Gregg Williams than the one that coached Buffalo. He has learned from a master for 4 years and already has his coach's and players in place, as opposed to starting from scratch in Buffalo.

Posted by: jimwell | January 25, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

I agree with you that this team is barely above the average and barely clawed its way into the playoffs. However, I disagree that bringing a whole new regime in will drastically improve it. I think that we are about 6 players removed from being a very good team. With a continuity of staff we could hit that mark in 2 years. Bringing in a regime change at this moment without having a payroll below the salary cap or a surplus of draft choices available is not likely to produce a winner in less than that time span. The personnel options for the new regime will be limited. Hence the concept of blowing this team up will not work out for at least the next 3 or 4 years.

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

why should I stop saying the same thing when my 348 posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of "Snyder is a moron, I hate Cerrato, we need a GM, continuity!, hire Williams, I'm gonna stop being a fan" shabingus.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 09:50 AM

Is that how you see yourself -- a beacon of reason among ranters?

You're not a beacon of reason. You're boringly tedious and illogical. That's why you should stop posting the same thing repeatedly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Your both mutating 2 games into 1. But my point still remains, lets not tarnish the beautiful fun that was the last third of 07 season? Z-Man you spoke to none of my points other than that your spiitting in the wind against the anti snyder posts ect. Your a broken record attacking a straw man.

I get you don't support GW. And your core arguments have some merit but you have to agree that this whole thing at this point, no matter what happens is a shabingus. A text book shabingus.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 - the giants are in the super bowl. the skins may not be "special" in the 18-0, patriots sense of the word, but there's no doubt that they have the talent and ability to win the nfc. if you're willing to throw away that opportunity and start from scratch, then go ahead and hire someone else, and be ready for another 2-3 years of sub .500 performance before you actually reach the level this team is currently at. if you actually want to win next year, you have to do your best to keep the roster in tact and the morale high. sometimes this can happen by bringing in a fresh face, but for this team (as voiced by the players themselves) it comes from keeping the staff, system, and way of operating the same.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

See what happens when we have no structure?THE INFIGHTING BEGINS!TE and zjfr2 don't make me come back there!

Posted by: smittdiddy | January 25, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You're boringly tedious and illogical. That's why you should stop posting the same thing repeatedly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 09:58 AM

How has one thing I've said been any less logical than all the other reasonless rants on here? And why if everyone in here can just scream their opinion am I not entitled to mine? I just don't think Williams is a good hire....I want Russ Grimm or Josh McDaniels

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, how 'bout those Caps??

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

One thing is abundantly clear. No matter if you want him, dont want him, players want him...whateves....Double GG Grilliams, manboobs, flapjacks is NOT coaching the skins next year.

Aint happenin, its done, forget it, move on, its over, syonara, adios, all that.

In my best Pincess Lea to R2D2 voice:

Save us Obi Wan Grimm, your our only hope!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

And I've never said start from scratch, we have a great roster and almost all our picks, the hire needs to be a guy who understands that and plans to go get those few missing pieces this roster needs and implement systems on offense that better utilize our talent and keeps the defense in a similar system. I don't want to "blow it up" but I do want to change it a little and get an offensive HC to bring JC along.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The only issue with getting Russ Grimm that I can see is... Actually getting him. I think Russ probably has the good sense to stay the hell away from this ownership and FO. Good for him...

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree that the Skins are about 6 players away from being a very, very good team but I don't know if the old regime or a new regime makes any difference.

For better or worse, NFL franchises live and die by their QB. Cleveland, this year, was "good" because they finally found a guy who could throw the ball. NE is unstoppable because they've got a QB that doesn't (generally) make mistakes and puts the ball exactly where it's supposed to be every single time. The list goes on.

So yeah, we need a DT and a CB and a more stable and effective OL, but all of those things will only take us so far. The most critical step for the Redskins and all of us is the development of Jason Campbell. If he turns into what I think he can be, then we'll be clapping ourselves on our backs for how great our team is for the better part of a decade.

That's why this decision is so important. The next HC has to not only commit to JC but also has to develop the guy. I don't think that Gibbs II really developed JC. In fact, Gibbs never really developed a QB. So I understand Snyder wanting to bring in a guy who will coach our guy up and make him into the winner we all want to see.

What I don't understand is why the Danny didn't have a much clearer/tighter plan in place. This appears to be his calculus as well (why else think about the Fassel/Zorn team) but all indications are he stumbled into this when he should have sat down and developed a strong plan based on what the Skins need most. In other words, if Gregg isn't the guy to develop a QB, why interview him 4 times?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2 - the giants are in the super bowl. the skins may not be "special" in the 18-0, patriots sense of the word, but there's no doubt that they have the talent and ability to win the nfc. if you're willing to throw away that opportunity and start from scratch, then go ahead and hire someone else, and be ready for another 2-3 years of sub .500 performance before you actually reach the level this team is currently at. if you actually want to win next year, you have to do your best to keep the roster in tact and the morale high. sometimes this can happen by bringing in a fresh face, but for this team (as voiced by the players themselves) it comes from keeping the staff, system, and way of operating the same.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:04 AM

I see where you are going with this, however, with the retirement of Gibbs it is no longer possible for it to stay the same. Take the hall of fame head coach and arguably the best motivator in football out of the equation and you have the inmates running the prison.

Does anyone really think Gregg Williams will haveall day to devote to the Defense once he is head coach?

Does anyone really think he can keep this team together like Joe Gibbs did?

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Very intriguing pick.

Posted by: zap123 | January 25, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, how 'bout those Caps??

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 10:08 AM

I am with you on this one Nate. My co worker is teaching me about hockey now. If Fassel becomes coach it's on to hockey for me until Dan is gone.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Dude I am LOVVIINNG ME my Capitals right now...now there is a spunky team...Nate you wanna meet in DC sometime for a game...RI meet up at a Caps game...that sounds F-U-N!

And since were being retro 70 movies referencial. If its a Godfather comparrion, to me Vinny and Danny are both fighting over who would be the best Fredo Corelone

"'m smart, no one thinks I'm smart, but I'm smart"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Oops, gong retracted. cL got it right. we were both watching the same game, except that it was two different games.

I got to go to that Bears game ... and we started tail-gating around noon ... it was MUCH colder before the game (my yarbels are just now starting to descend) ... and nothing quite warms you up like beer ... which we had to keep in the cooler to keep from freezing. Awesome game. Just awesome. Reveries.

What were we talking about again?

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

And I've never said start from scratch, we have a great roster and almost all our picks, the hire needs to be a guy who understands that and plans to go get those few missing pieces this roster needs and implement systems on offense that better utilize our talent and keeps the defense in a similar system. I don't want to "blow it up" but I do want to change it a little and get an offensive HC to bring JC along.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 10:11 AM

what about this suggests that gregg williams isn't the best guy for the job. he knows the players, knows who should stay and who needs to go, and obviously he'll keep the defensive system the same. if you want a new offensive system, then hire a new o-coordinator.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Are we going to have to jump over to the Caps Insider blog? Oh dear.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Hiring Grimm or McDaniels or anyone other than Williams will guarantee a turnover in staff. Williams has the support of the players now. Don't you think that the whole Redskins team is demoralized by this blundering search outside the organization?
If you want to shoot this team full of holes then go ahead and hire someone else, that sounds like your intent anyways. Do you dare to predict what Grimm's or McDaniels won-loss record will be after one year and after two years?

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone want Grimm so badly, because he was a good player? He didn't get the Steelers or the Cardinals head job.

I'm not saying that makes him bad, I am just saying why does that make him so golden? If Joe Gibbs didn't even want him on his staff when he was looking for a job why do you think people with no emotional ties to him would want him?

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Hockey rulz
Offseason drama drulz

Caps Insider blog:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/2008/01/brashear_resigns.html#comments

Tarik, the caps "beat writer" is the bomb

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

i think it's time we all accept that Williams aint getting the job as HC... for that matter, I think he is pretty much out of the picture all together.

So let's just quit harping on Williams all together.

Time to start pushing for JMac!! We derailed the Fassel train for the time being, time to get the McDaniels train going!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone really think Gregg Williams will haveall day to devote to the Defense once he is head coach?

Does anyone really think he can keep this team together like Joe Gibbs did?

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 10:12 AM

all joe gibbs did was devote himself to the offense. he had no idea what was going on on defense, with the exception of a basic philosophy of what he wanted them to do. clear evidence of this with the 10 men to start the game fiasco.

belicheck was comlpetely focused on the defense when he started out with the pats and trusted his offense to charlie weis. you don't have to be a do-everything head coach to be successful.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Tom Boswell's column hits the nail squarely on the head. Snyder is essentially flushing Gibbs 2.0 down the toilet by giving Grilliams the snub. A new coaching regime will spend the next 2-3 seasons getting 'his guys' in place within the coaching staff and on the roster. I have lost my faith and respect for the current Redskins ownership. It's time to sell the club.

Posted by: jontp007 | January 25, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Sams, what makes you think St. Joe didn't ask Russ to join the staff and he declined? (Due to the shabingus that is the Snyder regime) Fandom's call for Russ is obviously an emotional attachment partially, he was part of the glory days. However, I still firmly believe that his coaching accomplishments equal or exceed his on-field accomplishments. Any team that hires him will be lucky to have him.

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Josh McDaniels, 31 yrs old...
Coache under -probably the greatest coach of all time in regards to game prep and game management (with or with spygate)- Belicheck since 2001. Great offensive system and hungry to succeed. If we are going to blow this up, let's go with a young field general who could be here for years.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh, also, I have reason to believe that The Owner is inherently sadistic. A friend (one of the nicest and smartest dudes I know) used to work for him. This friend (40 something) grew up around here and was hardcore (and, from what I gather, during those Gibbs' Super Bowls times, this town was sicker in love with this team than Packers fans ever have been). One Sunday (not football season) we were invited over for a gig that started at 2pm. My buddy didn't show till 5pm. I don't mean to be a Long & Foster shammer/scammer, but if I gave the details of how and why The Owner held him up, my buddy would be outed. This buddy NEVER has a bad word to say about ANYBODY or ANY situation ... he's solid like that. The Owner, however, is sadistic. I tried to talk to my friend about a year ago (the 2006 season, the team was struggling) and he couldn't/wouldn't engage ... just "The Redskins are dead to me."

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Don't play yo self Triple Sams

Gibbs DID want Grimm as OC when he took over. Was blocked by Cowher and Steelers b/c get this, HE IS GREAT COACH!

Go look at what he did for Cardinals O-line in one season. Really if you need me to explain to you why Grimm would be perfect for this job than you simply are a lost cause..

And driely, I agree with you in theory, if I was owner I would have promoted GW. But that ship has sailed buthas and sistas! Read the tea leaves, not happenin. He wont even accept if offrered!

So we need a safety valve parachute option that saves us from smackin the ground at 200 MPH, RUSS GRIMM!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Based on everything we've heard so far it sounds like Williams was the first (and main?) choice, but he probably wanted more control than Snyder wanted to give. That shot across the bow that one scout referred to re: Cerrato's new role was probably aimed at Williams who probably wanted Cerrato gone. Snyder then tries to drum up some leverage against Williams by going after Mora, Fassel, etc. Fassel's right to feel used. If he's the guy they really wanted then not getting his first choices at OC?DC (Zorn/Ryan) shouldn't have mattered. The next shot at Williams will probably be the UPS guy delivering his widescreen.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Dick, I agree with you. Grimm don't wanna come here. But it is the best scenario. A boy can dream...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I said Grimmy day 1. Former Hog. Coached up both Samuels and Jansen when he was our O-line coach. Would make an easier transition than someone totally new. Has done great work in the NFL as a coach. Can drink more brewskies than Wayne Fontes.

We can call him Grimmy.

What else do we want in a HC?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I am not sold on Josh McDaniels. Its not like the Patriots were a bad team before he came and had no talent. If we were to hire from the Patriots I would prefer we took their entire front office staff. That personnel department is what found Josh McDaniels, Brady, etc. That of course would mean a new job title for Cerrato, and I am all for that.

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I know what peoples thoughts are on GG being given the job. Lets say he gets it (hypothetically) who is the OC. What about Byner or Lazor. What do people think about that? Gives continuity and youth.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I hope Fassel is feeling the misery we all felt when we thought is was a done deal Snyder was giving him the keys to the kingdom! If so, then he shouldn't want to step foot in DC!

Thank God!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is retreads at HC rarely dramatically improve, and GG would have to dramatically improve just to be mediocre he was a train wreck as a head coach and if Gibbs was under .500 with this team and owner what in the world makes anybody think GG is going to be so much better? And GG and weird Al aren't who I want bringing JC along, I've been saying Grimm or McDaniels but the more I think about it I've changed my tune I purely want McDaniels!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Yes Go Caps! and the way they're playing they could tide you over until May - but then what are you going to do?

Listen to Poopy McPoop and give DCUnited a chance - it's not the Premiership by any stretch but it's still a good time. Don't be afraid of futbol! Really!

The Post's Soccer Insider is also very well done

Posted by: mmok | January 25, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Things that make you go hmmmm has now been replaced with things that make you go WTF?!?!

- GG interviewed 4 times, not the man, Vinny promoted instead, WTF?!?!

- Snyder preaching continuity yet goes after Fossil, Ryan and Zorn, WTF?!?!

- Snyder not knowing the rules about bring over coordinators is worse than Gibbs second timeout call against Buffalo. Gibbs only had a split second to make the decision where as Snyder has had weeks, WTF?!?!

- Waiting for unknowns to emerge from Superbowl teams and keeping the whole staff in disarray, WTF?!?!

- Gibbs takes a trip to Carolina and decided to retire does not jive with human nature. Makes you wonder if Snyder might have forced him out, especially with the potential overhaul of the team, WTF?!?!

- And the biggest, Gibbs has to call the staff to calm down the insanity that Danny has created, WTF?!?!, Over!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 25, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I think working with Belicheck and Brady for 6 years is more than enough experience and preparation to take over this team. I mean the guys will have 4 Super Bowl rings by the end of next weekend. How can you not respect a guy with 4 rings?

Telling you guys JMAC is wild card here.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

CL, yeah... but Russ is a smart guy. We will never get him as long as the Dan is here.

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

i really feel like snyder has made these jobs the most unattractive coaching jobs to any candidate with ambition. i truly feel that as of now, the only coaches willing to take come here are one of two things:

1. extremely proven, veteran coaches who command respect and can't really tarnish themselves (Marty, Cowher...not this year but he would consider it if he wanted to coach).

or

2. desperate coaches looking for their next/last shot at redemption (Fassel, Marriucci, etc.)


I think any young coach that has HC ambition,is sought after in the league, and wants to prove themselves would rather avoid this opportunity and wait until different options open up next year. These guys know they'll be put in an almost insufferable situation and would rather take their chances waiting for another opportunity.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

i agree dick, I sadly agree....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

JoeyV,

And another WTF? Imagine what the Redskins assistants were thinking when Gibbs was talking to them yesterday...WTF?

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Dcsween interesting story. I was never a huge fan of the late Will McDonough - he always came across as a Parcell's suckup to me. But I remember an interview he did early on in the Snyder regime. He ripped Snyder pretty good. Said a friend of his who runs a hotel in New Orleans (I think) nearly had Snyder removed from the hotel because of his horrible treatment of staff members. In dealing with Sean Taylor's death Snyder seemed a more compassionate, respectful figure than what the media usually portrays. However, if you hear enough of the horrible stories you have to wonder how big the grain of truth is in them.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan, I cannot type a bad word about The Owner opening up his wallet in response to Sean Taylor's death. That would be ingratitude, even for a skeptical conspiracy theorist like me.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

One more WTF?!?!

- Madden 08 makes it tough to use the Redskins online because you have to constantly alter the roster before every game in order to get the original starters in the right position. For the Redskins that's lots of alterations. WTF?!?!

Posted by: JoeyV | January 25, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

George Michael is telling it like is on WTEM right now!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I think any young coach that has HC ambition,is sought after in the league, and wants to prove themselves would rather avoid this opportunity and wait until different options open up next year. These guys know they'll be put in an almost insufferable situation and would rather take their chances waiting for another opportunity.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 10:34 AM

Actually, I totally disagree with this comment. Young coaches don't turn down head coaching gigs. It's what everyone wants and even if the owner is petulent and has his paws all over the goodies, it's still a HC gig.

But more than that, the Danny gives any young HC who flames out, total cover. He can always say:

1. I wasn't allowed to institute my system.
2. The front office was a mess.
3. They don't have a GM and drafted crap players.

Etc.

And it would be TOTALLY believable. No owner is going to say that a Redskins HC who flamed out did it on his own (because he's a bad coach) given the reputation of the Danny and the Vinny.

Besides, HC gigs pay money and the bottom line is, it's always about the $.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Also, on the veil of secrecy surrounding this process, I can understand why a powerful organization (for example, the White House of a presidential administration) would want to maintain silence, esp. re: internal deliberations. My understanding is that, if you speak with a single voice, you can control the message. Stay on message. Message is a matter of no small significance to control -- managing the symbols.

What I don't get is whether the Skins FO even HAS a message. If they do (Karl? you reading?), what is it?

Continuity? nope
Stability? nope
Ain't broke, don't fix it? nope

The Owner pays plenty of folks plenty of money to do PR for the Skins. What are these people even doing?

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

One other random thought, and I'm sure someone said this but I didn't see it...

What free agents would want to come to the Redskins at this point? If I was an agent I would keep my talent far away from VinSnyderatto.

Conversely, 30 days ago the Skins were probably Top Shelf choice based on how they banded together and built an indestructible locker room. They won with dignity, they lost with dignity...now, they are the laughing stock.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I should also add that none of the previous applies to a coordinator position.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan, I cannot type a bad word about The Owner opening up his wallet in response to Sean Taylor's death. That would be ingratitude, even for a skeptical conspiracy theorist like me.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:39 AM

Sorry if I wasn't clear - I wasn't knocking him for how he dealt with the Taylor tragedy. It was actually somewhat enheartening to see him step up in that regard. It's just that you hear so many horrible stories (McDonough, plasma TV's, etc.) that it does make you wonder where the truth lies.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor - for those of us outside the listening area please give a synopsis.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

F George "golf cart" Michael, what a tool

Glen Brenner 4 eva!

And young coaches do and should turn down some jobs, Jason Garrett being just the latest example within weeks...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

4th what is being said?

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

One other random thought, and I'm sure someone said this but I didn't see it...

What free agents would want to come to the Redskins at this point? If I was an agent I would keep my talent far away from VinSnyderatto.

Conversely, 30 days ago the Skins were probably Top Shelf choice based on how they banded together and built an indestructible locker room. They won with dignity, they lost with dignity...now, they are the laughing stock.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:45 AM

Dignity and respect are overstated when The Danny is writing the checks. NFL players want the $. Danny pays the $. End of story.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe this has already been brought to light, but I don't have the time we keep up with every post on this blog lately...

I think its funny that some of you Armchair GM's are screaming about hiring Fassel, because you think GG deserves as chance. You try to preach patience... Which I agree with, he does deserve this opportunity.

BUT!

Then you turnaround and say what is the worst that can happen, Hire GG, if he doesn't make the playoffs, get rid of him and go another direction.

Wow... So you are so patient, that you're actually willing to give him one whole season as the Head Coach.

As if advocating that is so much better than starting over this year...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"The Owner pays plenty of folks plenty of money to do PR for the Skins. What are these people even doing?"

Kissing Leprechaun Danny's butt and feeding anyone else who will listen Kool Aid.

You know how it goes around here, if you disagree with his Royal Shortness then you have no clue or you're lying.

Ask Jason about that, he's been hammered the last couple years by Leprechaun Danny's PR guys for reporting what we all already knew/know.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Sams, what makes you think St. Joe didn't ask Russ to join the staff and he declined? (Due to the shabingus that is the Snyder regime) Fandom's call for Russ is obviously an emotional attachment partially, he was part of the glory days. However, I still firmly believe that his coaching accomplishments equal or exceed his on-field accomplishments. Any team that hires him will be lucky to have him.

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 10:21 AM

The reason I can safely assume this is because you would have to be hard up for meth money to consider even going to the cardinals. They are in the worst division in football and can't get a wild card.

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"... What free agents would want to come to the Redskins at this point? ..."

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:45 AM

The ones who want alot of money.*

* As I type this, it occurs to me that it seems like the contracts of every highly paid player are mostly year-to-year things. Has there been a player (making more than vet minimum) who has actually played out his contract with the Skins? Seems like those out years are illusory.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Dignity and respect are overstated when The Danny is writing the checks. NFL players want the $. Danny pays the $. End of story.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM


You think that Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd are glad that Snyder "showed them the money?" Really?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Wow... So you are so patient, that you're actually willing to give him one whole season as the Head Coach."

No we're stating that Fassell is not the answer and we'd all rather have Gregg Williams as coach.

The worst thing that happens is he tanks it, but we'd still rather give Williams an opportunity then hire some old "has been" that still has a footprint on his arse from his last gig up the road.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

And young coaches do and should turn down some jobs, Jason Garrett being just the latest example within weeks...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:48 AM

Only because he was basically promised to be the next HC of the Cowboys and received $3 million to stay. I'm sure he wasn't particularly tempted by the disaster that is Atlanta or Baltimore given that the Cowboys are loaded and he'll be cashing very large checks while he waits his turn to man the con.

This would be considered the exception, not the rule.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Triple Sams that was one of the dumbest statements up here in awhile. Cardinals got mad talent right now. Made crazy improvement under Whizzy/Grimm. They were one missed kick from being in the redskins shoes this season.

"hard up for meth money" not funny, and shows me you really don't know what your talking about....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

4th, could you give an update for us?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Shocker. The big confusing mess just gets messier and more confusing, doesn't it?

I tell ya, the comments from that guy on extremeskins, as well as from our own "beat reporter", about major ill will from everyone inside the organization is disturbing.

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today, even if Gregg were to be hired a week from now, the damage has already been done. This process has been one giant cluster fcuk. Snyder has not only alienated the current coaching staff, but he has now solitified to other coaches around the league that he hasn't changed. Washington is still one giant, confusing mess.

Don't you guys think that's going to affect the quality of coaches we can get from here on out? No one will want to come here except to get that big pay day and then leave or get fired 2 years later.

So much for continuity. I have never been more down about the Redskins in my life.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Dignity and respect are overstated when The Danny is writing the checks. NFL players want the $. Danny pays the $. End of story.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:49 AM


You think that Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd are glad that Snyder "showed them the money?" Really?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM

Uh, yeah. They made an awful lot more money than their second rate talents deserved and would have gotten anywhere else. The Wide Receiver had already worn out his chances in San Fran and might have been out of football had The Danny not bid against himself to give him a huge contract AND give up a draft pick to get the guy.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I put 0 credence in what Mr. Sports Machine would have to say. He is a stooge, a spin doctor.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

There are times when we may find ourselves struggling or even fighting with our thoughts and emotions. We may feel that something must be done in a certain way or not at all, or there may be some other situation that feels absolutely black and white. But life is not this way--it's the way we are looking at our experiences that is causing the turmoil within us. When we become aware that the struggle we are having is with ourselves, we can turn our attention to the source in order to solve the problem, but we must be being willing to look where we need to and feel emotions that may make us uncomfortable at first. Then we can choose to really open ourselves to understanding all the options we can imagine. We are likely to discover that we are resisting something based on a limited understanding, and we must then open ourselves to willingness.

When we are willing to look at all the possibilities, we also become willing to accept that there is room for more than we can imagine. We can release ourselves from the grip we had on our emotions and stop limiting ourselves. We may have been unwilling to experience feeling loss, confusion, fear, or even joy for some reason or another, but when we realize that our understanding was limited we allow space for the universe to move in our lives.

Opening ourselves to willingness may feel like we are surrendering or abandoning all that we believed. But at the same time it is an act of power and courage because it is a conscious choice we make about how to apply our personal will. Being willing is to be in a state of willing something into creation. It is at once allowing ourselves to be while also choosing to direct our energy in a focused way. It is being and doing from a place of openness, where we can work with the universe rather than resist it. It is an open hand rather than one that is clenched into a fist. When we make a step toward willingness, we open ourselves to truth, possibility, and the movement of the wise universe in and through our lives.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

There are times when we may find ourselves struggling or even fighting with our thoughts and emotions. We may feel that something must be done in a certain way or not at all, or there may be some other situation that feels absolutely black and white. But life is not this way--it's the way we are looking at our experiences that is causing the turmoil within us. When we become aware that the struggle we are having is with ourselves, we can turn our attention to the source in order to solve the problem, but we must be being willing to look where we need to and feel emotions that may make us uncomfortable at first. Then we can choose to really open ourselves to understanding all the options we can imagine. We are likely to discover that we are resisting something based on a limited understanding, and we must then open ourselves to willingness.

When we are willing to look at all the possibilities, we also become willing to accept that there is room for more than we can imagine. We can release ourselves from the grip we had on our emotions and stop limiting ourselves. We may have been unwilling to experience feeling loss, confusion, fear, or even joy for some reason or another, but when we realize that our understanding was limited we allow space for the universe to move in our lives.

Opening ourselves to willingness may feel like we are surrendering or abandoning all that we believed. But at the same time it is an act of power and courage because it is a conscious choice we make about how to apply our personal will. Being willing is to be in a state of willing something into creation. It is at once allowing ourselves to be while also choosing to direct our energy in a focused way. It is being and doing from a place of openness, where we can work with the universe rather than resist it. It is an open hand rather than one that is clenched into a fist. When we make a step toward willingness, we open ourselves to truth, possibility, and the movement of the wise universe in and through our lives.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Guys, we need Alec Baldwin to go in and have a "sit" with the Redskins ownership and executive management.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TROhlThs9qY

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

" ... If we are going to blow this up, let's go with a young field general who could be here for years."

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 10:21 AM

I had a long response that got eaten by the registration kickout. I wrote that I agree totally, and that textually, the Skins FO' probably agrees ... where by "years" plural you mean two or three.

I wrote about this the other night. Over 34 years, the Steelers had THREE head coaches. Since Art Modell pimped the Browns to Baltimore 12 years ago, that team has had THREE head coaches, including the guy just starting.

Since The Owner out-hostiled Milstein 11 years ago, he's burned throw FIVE head coaches ... and I'm not counting Pettibone or the coach-yet-to-be-named.

Then I went off on analogies to Sean Taylor/Sept. 11th ... universal spirit through despair ... good mojo ... then this coaching search and that country where our guys are getting killed and maimed (country that is not Afghanistan). Perceptions of hubris (which are often associated with, for example, actual hubris). Analogies too palpable.

There were more words before the blog ate my post, but you get the idea.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"... You think that Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd are glad that Snyder "showed them the money?" Really?"

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 10:53 AM

Archuleta, no. Lloyd, yes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

There are times when we may find ourselves struggling or even fighting with our thoughts and emotions. We may feel that something must be done in a certain way or not at all, or there may be some other situation that feels absolutely black and white. But life is not this way--it's the way we are looking at our experiences that is causing the turmoil within us. When we become aware that the struggle we are having is with ourselves, we can turn our attention to the source in order to solve the problem, but we must be being willing to look where we need to and feel emotions that may make us uncomfortable at first. Then we can choose to really open ourselves to understanding all the options we can imagine. We are likely to discover that we are resisting something based on a limited understanding, and we must then open ourselves to willingness.

When we are willing to look at all the possibilities, we also become willing to accept that there is room for more than we can imagine. We can release ourselves from the grip we had on our emotions and stop limiting ourselves. We may have been unwilling to experience feeling loss, confusion, fear, or even joy for some reason or another, but when we realize that our understanding was limited we allow space for the universe to move in our lives.

Opening ourselves to willingness may feel like we are surrendering or abandoning all that we believed. But at the same time it is an act of power and courage because it is a conscious choice we make about how to apply our personal will. Being willing is to be in a state of willing something into creation. It is at once allowing ourselves to be while also choosing to direct our energy in a focused way. It is being and doing from a place of openness, where we can work with the universe rather than resist it. It is an open hand rather than one that is clenched into a fist. When we make a step toward willingness, we open ourselves to truth, possibility, and the movement of the wise universe in and through our lives.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

JM220 - I'll take your last post... wrap it in a Swisher Sweet and smoke it. That will definitely open my mind!

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

so about that. Don't know what is going on with my computer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Here's your Reality Check Mr. Snyder:

At this point, the only way you can avoid a total fan upheaval and boycott is by hiring one of two candidates:
Grimm or McDaniels.

You cannot hire Williams because you have made it clear to him that he is not your #1 choice.

You cannot hire Fassel because you have made it clear to him that he is your #1 choice only if you can hand pick his assistant coaches, which you failed to do.

You cannot hire Cowher because he has too much class to work for a prick like you.

The fans will accept Grimm because of his history with the team.
The fans will accept McDaniels because he is the only young talent out there worth giving a shot.

One or the other, Danny... just have Vinny flip a coin for you and make the call.

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

JM220

Quoting Tony Robbins will not help us right now. Get back to your seat and row.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

McDaniels would be a fantastic head coach. But I don't think he's stupid enough to step into what appears to be an epic disaster. Don't forget that as much a "genius" as Belichick is, his personnel guy, Scott Pioli, is one of, if not the best in the League.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't buy into all of the hype of McDaniels quite yet... Besides, I heard he's not a bit interested in coming here.

Not to take anything away from him, but he's has a stud QB, O-Line, RB's, TE, WR's... It's pretty hard not to be successful with that talent...

This is his fairly short coaching/personnel background..

1999-2001 Mich St
McDaniels began his coaching career in 1999 as a graduate assistant at Michigan State

2001-2008 Patriots
Personnel assistant in the scouting department and assisted the defensive coaching staff for three seasons. He began serving as the Patriots' quarterbacks coach in 2004 and was named offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach on January 20, 2006. He began serving as the Patriots' quarterbacks coach in 2004 and was named offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach on January 20, 2006


THIS IS NOT A NO-BRAINER... What makes you think he is ready to be a H/C already? Without further info or insight into his interview, personality, etc...

I wouldn't be in favor of him just yet...

As an OC. Probably, but that is it right now

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Too much negative energy last couple of days. I thought I would post something positive.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Besides, HC gigs pay money and the bottom line is, it's always about the $.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 10:44 AM

I disagree. If you're a sought after coach, one who is highly regarded around the league, you don't need to jump on your first opportunity to be the head man. Especially if you're young. Those opportunities will present themselves again. Jason Garret turned down multiple HC jobs to stay as coordinator. He knows he'll be a HC soon enough.

And I wasn't just referring to the HC position, but also coordinating positions as well. There's a reason Rex Ryan wants to stay in B-more as a coordinator. And there's a reason Jim Zorn won't take a promotion to come here as our o-coordinator. And I can guarantee you, neither reason has to do with the $.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think what jm220 is trying to say is "I'm calm, Dude ... calmer than you are."

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ok, he just about contradicted everything that's coming out from the 'sources'.

He prefaced everything with he is a very very good friend of Gibbs and they talk very often.

They were talking about Taylor's death and how Gibbs basically fell on a grenade and took all of the blame for the lost while everyone for got the fumbles and turnovers that swayed the game earlier. He said Gibbs had no problem because he needed the team t ostay focused on the goal (SB). He said he had to blank out Taylor's death and his grandson's Talyor's leukemia and focused on getting the team o the playoffs. He told George before the Seattle game that he was 99.9% sure he would win that game. After the kickoff was recovered by the Redskins, Buges walked up to Gibbs and said, 'You were right'. And that's when everything unraveled. The surprise was soo unbelievable to Gibbs because he exerted so much energy in getting this team going straight. So, that led to the untimely resignation.

The resignation surprised everyone, including all the coaches and management. They didn't really have a plan. Micheals said if they had hired Greggg after the 1st week everyone would say that the Skins should've looked at other candidates as well. He said Gregg Williams was interviewed 4 times and nothing ever leaked out to the media. That's how its supposed to be.

After the 4th interview, Management told Greggg that the process will not be fast and that they will not contact him again until after the process is over, which may take a few weeks. Gregggg complied.

He said the media pushed too hard to make this coaching search a daily drama when it was actually supposed to take some time in the 1st place.

He said that the internet report (from RI) that the Fassel HC hiring was imminent was no where near the truth and talks were still preliminary. He says that that leaked upsetted Fassel and Williams and that all the information coming out is hindering the process.

That's all that I was able to retain in my head, if more comes back, I'll post it........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Bring in Josh McDaniels, pay him 6million per year and let's roll with JMAC!

McDaniels, 4 Super Bowls-4 Rings.
Fassel, 1 Super Bowl-no rings
Williams, 0-0
Spagnola, 3 playoff wins

Seems like an easy decision to me.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

JM220

Quoting Tony Robbins will not help us right now. Get back to your seat and row.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:03 AM

******************

I agree. That was useless dribble. And did we have to see that crap 3 times, as if that makes us any more likely to read that empty-headed philosophical nonsense

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

OVER THE LINE!!!!

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

sheidt99, I guess we'll just disagree.

Lloyd averaged 45 catches and 5 touchdowns his last two seasons (out of three) with San Fran playing for a terrible team.

Most would say he was a 24 year old ready to bust out. I acknowledge he had locker room problems.

Now I would say his career is over, I think you are way off base to say it was over when we signed him.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

yup its the media's fault!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing to see here, move along, everything's fine...

George Micael = tony snow

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"... He said the media pushed too hard to make this coaching search a daily drama when it was actually supposed to take some time in the 1st place. ..."

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 11:07 AM

I see. So The Owner and Mr. Cerrato are actually the "victims" here. Now it sounds like they're back "on message."

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

4th thanks for the update.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

George Michael said that Gregg Williams was told after his interviews that it could be awhile before a decision was made and that they would not be contacting him and he agreed not to contact them. Michael said the media (I'm sure he was referring to the WaPo) jumped the gun and reported untruths without any confirmation and blew everything up (I'm paraphrasing here). Michael also said Gregg Williams has not said anything to anyone. I missed part of his radio interview due to work but he did say that Gibbs needs to come back up here and straighten things out.

Posted by: Lisa | January 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"... That was useless dribble. ..."

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 11:10 AM

First of all, that was rude. Second, if you don't like useless dribble (actually, I think the word you're looking for is "drivel"), then why come here?

No one out-drivels the RI.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Damn Internets! Ruin everything every time!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"... He said the media pushed too hard to make this coaching search a daily drama when it was actually supposed to take some time in the 1st place. ..."

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 11:07 AM

I see. So The Owner and Mr. Cerrato are actually the "victims" here. Now it sounds like they're back "on message."

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:11 AM

All this equals to, Vinny and Snyder being upset that the leaks (or what we call updates) gave away their ignorant thought process and thus led to an enormous uproar of discontent over there perceived selection. Now they have to go back to the drawing board, and they are pissed.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Glen Brenner ruled
George Michael drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I bet no one out dribbles us either.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm just reporting what he said. The insight he gave about Gibbs seemed sincere.

I think the truth, as always, lies somewhere in between Michaels and WaPo....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Seth, easy...

I was just kidding with JM. All types of posts and posters are welcome here.

I saw a comedic moment, it didn't pan out so well, we've all learned something.

Oh, and Lemaster is a rocking last name, is it real?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Not attacking you 4th! I do say thankee for the info-bits as always...

I agree the truth always pitches a Tee Pee somewhere in the Grey Tundra

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that information 4th and Lisa. Thanks dcsween

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Remember that scene late in Animal House when the marching band turns into an dead end alley and gets stuck.

I can imagine any good asst coach (McDaniels, Meeks) having that visual when they think about working for Danny. A career cul de sac.

The really good asst coaches will not come to DC to work for Danny.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks jm220!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

thanks 4th floor!

Media's fault? Media's fault for providing some insight into something that greatly affects every facet of my life. Again, I don't mind the time period but a heads up now and again would be great.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks chrislarry!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

F jm220 (heehee)

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

This would be funny if Gregg was the coach all along and they were simply interviewing Fassell for an offensive coordinator position.

I would be the first to say I still think Snyder is a punk and reiterate Jason is a NY Times style journalist.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

goodnight John Boy

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

What's the matter CL? Someone took your pink panties again? lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Lemaster? Are you related to a Greg Lemaster? We might be related.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

good night Pa

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

sheidt99, I guess we'll just disagree.

Lloyd averaged 45 catches and 5 touchdowns his last two seasons (out of three) with San Fran playing for a terrible team.

Most would say he was a 24 year old ready to bust out. I acknowledge he had locker room problems.

Now I would say his career is over, I think you are way off base to say it was over when we signed him.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:11 AM

Agree, we'll disagree. While you're right, Lloyd could have been considered to be on the rise after his 3rd season, there were significant flags. His rap album exploits for example (which questioned his interest in football) and the fact that the Redskins bid against themselves to get him (he was not particularly in demand). Not to mention the general uproar from Redskins nation when we gave up 2 draft picks to get him.

Plus, Lloyd got paid a lot of money over his time here while he's been a surly, unproductive, and uncommitted player. I think you would have to get the truth from him to prove this, but for a guy that doesn't seem particularly interested in football, it's worked out pretty well.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks isnadd!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's what I think happened. When Joe suddenly quit - which I personally thought was pretty lame (after Gibbs PROMISED to stay for five years) - Danny being blind-sided by his idol, had his big ego severely bruised. If Gibbs was going to do this to him, he decided just to do things his way. Screw Gibbs.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It's a good day on RI when we're debating Receiver, The. It's a bad day when we're organizing a movement to ditch a coach before he's even hired. It's a great day. With beer.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if I offended anyone, especially jmm... I just get irritated when people feel the need to post something several times in hoping of getting people to read it I'm sure jmm was having problems with his internet or something.... Plus, i can't see how anyone can see this situation is anything but an utter disaster for the redskins. I sincerely worry that Gibbs health may be adversey affected by seeing what Snyder is doing to his lifeswork.

and i was wrong, dribble is not a word, but it should be. As in, everything that comes out of snyders mouth is dribble... the redskins organization is dribble... fassel is dribble, etc.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

It's a good day on RI when we're debating Receiver, The. It's a bad day when we're organizing a movement to ditch a coach before he's even hired. It's a great day. With beer.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:26 AM

Agreed. With beer, everything is better. Is it lunch(beer)time yet?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

so about that. Don't know what is going on with my computer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:02 AM

Reading it three times actually made it more soothing - like a chant. I enjoyed it.

Posted by: mmok | January 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

beer and pie.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think the triple move is Losable Type's fault not JMs. I am sure he only intended one post.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The other thing that seems to be happening is that all the assistant coaches that Snyder is approaching seem to be getting extensions and pay raises from the team that they are already on.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

all the problems george michaels described as far as media and the coaching search comes from one thing; communication. it's so ridiculous that the team refuses to make any statements about what's been going on. maybe someone can help me out here, but i literally see no advantage to keeping everything about the search a secret. the media will try to extract any information they can, whether or not you give them info. might as well avoid any mis-reporting and give out that info in the first place.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

pie IS soothing...discuss

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. With beer, everything is better. Is it lunch(beer)time yet?

Posted by: sheidt99 |

I disagree. A 1999 Napa Valley Cab makes everything better. Beer is beer is beer.

OK...I'm kidding...but not about the wine.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

pie...makes EVERYTHING better.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

SETH.LEMASTER I posted after the last one saying something must be going on with my computer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't buy into all of the hype of McDaniels quite yet... Besides, I heard he's not a bit interested in coming here.

Not to take anything away from him, but he's has a stud QB, O-Line, RB's, TE, WR's... It's pretty hard not to be successful with that talent...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 11:05 AM

Could be another Norv Turner/Brian Billick. They're geniuses when they have all kinds of talent playing for them.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Do they make beer pie?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Jason... pick up some pie on the way home for your family. The soothing comfort of pie will be needed these next few weeks.

Posted by: larjan2004 | January 25, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

SETH.LEMASTER,

What's your mom's maiden name? And last 4-digits of your social? Oh, and what was the first elementary school you attended?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Second, if you don't like useless dribble (actually, I think the word you're looking for is "drivel"), then why come here?

No one out-drivels the RI.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 11:13 AM

So when Loseable Type posted jm220 twice in a row, was that a double-drivel?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

JM220,

I like that post... I think you may have posted that before a few months back... or something simliar to it... Thanks for sharing

If only more people could try to be open-minded, have some humility and take words like that to heart.

I agree to much negativity and over-reaction right now. Some of us need not take everything you hear or read immediately as the ulitmate Truth. There is usually always more to it... I'll admit that I have overreacted to much of what I've read or heard these past 2+ weeks, but we could all benefit from taking a step back and letting this play out...

I wouldn't necessarily believe that we're the laughing stock, take it for what it's worth... Heresay, hearsay, hearsay...

JLC is just providing as much info as possible for us to decide...

and if so who cares...


Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

How many times has Snyder blown this thing up? And how many times has it succeeded?

When the plan is to hire Fassel and try to lure Zorn and Ryan away from their teams ... and you can't even get those guys ... there is no plan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we will trade Grilliams to the Fins for the top pick???

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 25, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

What if you're already so awesome that you don't need to be open-minded and humble?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

My question exactly diddy!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

EinVB,

Are you and JM220 going to light candles together?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Well, then you might, eventually, have to eat humble pie.

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What if you're already so awesome that you don't need to be open-minded and humble?

That's when you feign interest. It's polite.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I love Joe Gibbs but all the smiles and giggles as he ran out the door with his $20 million didn't make me think "his health would be in jeopardy" after watching Snyder "screw up his life's work." It appeared to me that today's NFL kicked his butt, that he can still lead and motivate but can't coach in today's league "up here", he knew it after Buffalo, and was just happy to be getting out of town after a playoff run and his legacy somewhat intact.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Two things I love about McDaniels: 1) he managed the egos on that team extraordinarily well, 2) his offensive scheme and playcalling are awesome.

I'm a football nerd. One of the things I love to do is watch games on the TiVo and diagram all the plays, then sit back and sift through how the playcalling worked. You can see a lot and learn a lot about the game that way ("Ah, that's why they're shifting here, that's why they're motioning here, that's why they run through that hole, then that hole, then that hole, etc").

In any event, given that I was just bored watching Weird Al's offense and JC have the typical young QB struggles, I turned to recording the Pats games and doing the TiVo thing with McDaniels' offense a couple of times. It's gorgeous: a thing of beauty.

Again, I think he's a good player manager, and I think he's a fantastic strategic and tactical offensive mind.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The humble pie thing was brilliant. Well played, sir!

You are awesome. You can be close-minded and patronizing the rest of the day. You've earned it.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

PDiddy said:
"One of the things I love to do is watch games on the TiVo and diagram all the plays, then sit back and sift through how the playcalling worked."


Wow, just...wow.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"Do they make beer pie?"

I've had Guiness cake. It was killer.

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/107105

but this might be more up peoples alley here:

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/230754

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

MCDANIEL!
MCDANIEL!
MCDANIEL!
MCDANIEL!

kinda feels like that scene in braveheart when they win the battle and start chanting something I've never understood like"Mcaleesh" or something....anyway, I'm hoping for an offensive coach to take over and I hope is him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Again, I think he's a good player manager, and I think he's a fantastic strategic and tactical offensive mind.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:41 AM

He may be too smart to come here then.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, the thing is that St. Joe represents to many of us a slice of our childhoods. He will forever be a revered figure. It was painful watching him make poor game management decisions time and again. I'm glad he went out with a semblance of success behind him, and I'll forever believe that it was his presence that made the organization react in such a classy manner to the Sean Taylor tragedy. I can't imagine it being handled better, and I think that's in large part to the dignity of our beloved coach.

I believe that many things in life happen for a reason. Though St. Joe's second tenure was mediocre at best, his "purpose", if you will, in DC this second time around was not to win a Super Bowl, but to be the bedrock of the franchise during its darkest hour.

That may be a bit too spiritual for some, and, if so, please carry on...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I've had Guiness cake. It was killer.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 11:45 AM

Hmmm. Guiness.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

isnadd, yeah, I know...I have too much time on my hand. Oddly enough, sitting there with the TiVo just diagramming out plays is therapeutic. Then again, my other form of therapy involves sitting at a bar and drinking tequila.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Diddy

Mcdaniel could be an excellent canidate but i get the feeling he doesn't think he is ready to run his own show..... if you are going to blow the whole thing up get a young coach with energy and fresh ideas....no matter who they end up with its still largely about campbell growing from the hope and promise phase of his career to the franchise QB stage

Posted by: Oldschool | January 25, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Not sure, oldschool. I think it could be that he doesn't feel that he's ready (how old was Gruden when he got the gig for the first time?) But it could also be that his team is on the verge of NFL history, and he'd prefer not to mess with that in any way, shape, or form. Those guys are about to accomplish something very special, and to take away from it with head coach talk during media week would be unfortunate.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Maske has a good blog today: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/

Posted by: JoeyV | January 25, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

In Trinadad and othe Carribean countries they have Guiness Ice Crea, I here it rulz.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Man - you are a nerd... ;-) Actually, I do the DVR thing with Skins games, and replay and slow-mo plays to break them down once in awhile (you can then skip the commercials when you're a bit behind the live action) but that is about it...

I don't know his scheme-ing and playcalling to that degree, so I'll take you word for it...

As far as keeping all the egos in check... I think that has to do with the team's expectations, Head Coach, veteran leadership, Brady, and recent history of that team (many factors... more so than J-McD, but that is just my take...

I certainly didn't expect Randy Moss to behave himself so professionaly... that has been nice to see...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I was at a wedding once wjere they had beer ice cream floats. Also A joint here in Brooklyn "Schnack" that serves them....

Good stuff

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I like the idea of bringing in someone who understands the NFC East. Marty understood that. Gibbs understood that. The Giants DC understands that.

So does Grimmy!!!!

Fridays are meant for early and long lunches.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

psps23, Bram Weinstein said the same thing yesterday on Redskins Radio. Larry Michael was saying that the media (I'm sure he meant the WaPo) had jumped the gun without any relevancy and started an uproar. Bram agreed to a certain extent but said the Redskins brought in on themselves by telling the media absolutely nothing. All the media outlets (at least the local ones) want to be the first to post the "story" - this is no story so they are going with "sources" that seem valid.

Bram also said that he had contacted the Skins PR department about Fassell and was told "we cannot confirm this" but they also did not deny it.

Posted by: Lisa | January 25, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Larry Michael, another stooge. I wouldnt trust that tool if he told me the skins colors were burgndy and gold.

Frank Herzog rulz
Larry Michaels drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Lets be real about Gibbs 2.0. The record was so-so. The cap mgmt was and remains poor. The FA and trades have been mixed. We all know the ones that worked and the ones that didn't. There are plenty of both. Gibbs was hardly the razor sharp game day manager he was the first time. Certainly, several losses can be linked pretty directly to Gibbs game day work.

What he did bring was pride and respect. He showed the league that this group of players and coaches, despite all that happened, can compete at a high level.

Gibbs is a remarkable leader and that quality is the most important one of all.

There is no foundation that is more critical than respect. You want to attract quality people. Guys like Fletcher and Kendall (I know, Kendall was a trade). Coaches like Bugel, Saunders (whose system worked well everywhere else he has been) and Williams.

Build an organization that is respected and you get talent like Randy Moss to play hard for you. And Adelius Thomas to sign with you.

That is what Gibbs brought to the Redskins. A different attitude. Some real success on the field. Good talent. And respect to the team.

Respect, is the best possible foundation a team can have.

Which is why the last few days have been so insane.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

We need a new post, this page is bogging down

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The problem with REDSKINS RADIO is that it is owned by Snyder and you will never get an objective point-of-view. Snyder is always quick to tell Riggins, that he listens to the show "all the time". Who is going to say anything negative with the boss listening?

Posted by: JoeyV | January 25, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

What if you're already so awesome that you don't need to be open-minded and humble?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:37 AM

People, I'd like to introduce you to Congressman PDiddy

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"zjfr2, the thing is that St. Joe represents to many of us a slice of our childhoods. ..."

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 11:47 AM

Speaking of childhoods sliced, did we ever jibba jabba re: Clinton Portis on Santana getting his manhood sliced? Scroll down to the part about "tail clipped".

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/01/redskins_insulting_each_other.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - well said... those are great points...

He brought respect, that has been missing for years, back to the Skins...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

road to 1,000 comments...do it.

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've seen Cloverfield, we should have a separate post about Cloverfield, where we can discuss Cloverfield, and we can feel free to post spoilers about Cloverfield, and we can give fair warning that the comments contain spoilers about Cloverfield, so that we won't spoil Cloverfield for anyone who hasn't seen Cloverfield.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

zjfr -- we've been disagreeing the past few days. So you want McDaniel.

I've been saying its about respect. If the Skins had hired Williams and he failed, people would still respect Danny. So a guy like McDaniel would consider the Skins job.

But things have sure changed in the past few days.

Why in the world would McDaniel work for Danny? It won't be for the $$$. Because Danny has been a nightmare for most every coach who has been here. Tell me, if Danny blows this thing up, do you think Gibbs will be happy he came back? 4 years of hard work gone in a flash.

How about Marty? Spurrier? Even Norv, who I can't stand. Any of these guys 'glad' they came to DC? You think GG is happy he stayed at this point? Or Saunders?

Hire GG and McDaniel would see a patient owner who respects his guys. Who gives them the chance to succeed. That is a quality most employees want in a boss.

But Danny has shown his colors and it will cost this team dearly. Think Al Davis.

When McDaniel wants a HC job, he'll get it. On his terms. Philly? Seattle? NYG (you know Coughlin will self destruct soon)? Those are the places on McDaniels radar screen. Not Danny boy

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, you have to be kidding me if you think the Cardinals aren't a joke. Every year some idiot tries to tell me about how "this will be their year". I know you aren't that guy.

For some reason you are all over my ass today, is Grimm your lover?

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The Cardinals have two of the best recievers in the NFL. One of the best running backs in recent history and a superbowl MVP at QB. Somehow they still don't win. When the Cardinals actually do something you let me know. Until then I must know something because I am correct.

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Still no coach? Sweet.

"Not another day, not another day. Can't take this, not another day!"

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

When Snyder was in Reskinsland...LET MY PEOPLE GO

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 25, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I've been hanging back lately due to all of the negativity. Just trying to ride this whole thing out and not get caught up in speculation, because as of now it is ALL speculation. There is no garauntee that whoever is hired will do a good or bad job. Even if Dan and Vinnie are the FO, we could get suprpised and have a magnificent season next year, or after a few years of rebuilding. Am I sick of the mediocrity? Yes, but I still have the highest hopes that the team will move forward in a positive direction. No matter who they hire there might be initial disappointment, but I will be able to talk myself into being happy about it after a while and move forward. The waiting sucks, but I think they are doing right by interviewing so many. I am not going to get rid of my tickets, burn any jerseys, or root for any other teams. Any who jumps off is welcome to. Just means I can get better seats, so thanks and good riddance.

I definitley know who I would want to see hired as coach, but I won't cry if it isn't him. What I will say is that I am not in favor of this New England OC. The guy is 31 years old, and would be a head coach? That's not much experience if you ask me. One thing to keep in mind is that his genius playcalling has had Tom Brady playing QB. Enough said there. The other thing to consider (aside from the whole Tom Brady factor) is that Belicheat could be the real and only genius on the coaching staff. What have his disciples done so far? Mankini (Soup rules) with the Jets, Crennel with the Browns, and look how Weiss has taken down once proud Notre Dame. I don't want to rule out a guy because of his age, but come on.......

Lastly, I checked ahead on TV guide, and the night before the Super Bowl, NFL network is showing SB 7, where the Dolphings beat the Skins to go undefeated. If you get a chance, watch this game. I have it on tape, and although the Doplhins win, the game ends up being a real nail biter. One of the things to notice is how little attention the announcers give to the fact that the Dolphins could go undefeated. I am willing to bet that we will be very sick of hearing how "If the Patriots win.........." during the broadcast. Also not that Manny Fernadez should have gotten MVP of the SB7..........peace out.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 25, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

OK...Top 3 Favorite Movies

1. The Usual Suspects
2. Gladiator
3. Shawshank Redemption

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, you have to be kidding me if you think the Cardinals aren't a joke. Every year some idiot tries to tell me about how "this will be their year". I know you aren't that guy.

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 12:28 PM

sammy- Substitute the word "Redskins" for "Cardinals"
Other than our couple of blips on the playoff radar the last 15ish years, we've been just like them. 'Cardinals of the East'...I've heard that comparison up here many times, and it's unfortunately accurate.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

How can a guy with zippo inter-personal communication skills, with zippo media communication skills, with zippo public speaking communication skills, with zippo business communication skills make zillions in the communications industry?

I don't know. I can't figure it out.

Anybody know?

Posted by: bestmick1 | January 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

1. Casablanca
2. Citizen Kane
3. Godfather, Part 1

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Triple Sams,

Gay jokes? That is last refuge of a bad arguement. Grimm and Whiz been there one season and the team improved by leaps and bounds. With 900 year old Kurt Warner. They hit a kick against us and they are the NFCs final play off team.

You trashed Grimm in an unfunny, uninformed way for taking a job in AZ claiming that was a value judgment on his abilities as coach. It isn't. He was just barely the Steelers coach and got late in the process of hiring.

But whateves, yeah he is my BF, he gives it to me real good, you caught me.

Keep droppin your knowledge on us Trip Sams your def one of the smart ones up here....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

bestmick, that is an outstanding question.

I built my career partly on dealing with the media. The one thing you have to appreciate it is if a reporter doesn't write, they don't eat. So, if you wrap yourself in a cloak of secrecy and paranoia, what you're going to get is coverage that reflects the opinions of a number of second and third-hand sources. If, however, you are transparent, open, and direct with the media, you will build good, professional relationships with them and they will cover your side of things at a minimum, and in all likelihood use the way you frame a problem or discussion in their articles.

Karl Swanson is hardly a PR genius. I honestly don't know how the guy has a job. Forget about Vinny. Karl is horrendous.

What the 'Skins should have done is every time they had a coach come in to interview, they should have held a little press gaggle. The coach could have uttered all the usual platitudes ("it's a good organization with a dedicated owner, amazing fans, and a rich tradition", blah blah blah). The story the journalists who cover that team write? Such and such coach came to town to interview, include a few puff quotes from colleagues who think highly of him, recite his resume, talk about his latest accomplishments, and before you know it you've got your cover story for the Sports Page and there's little additional room for editorializing. You (the 'Skins) win the day in terms of coverage.

Instead, they feed the media nothing, and as a result we get information from assistant coaches who are worried about their jobs, sources "close to" candidates who have their own agendas, a healthy dose of editorializing and speculation, and a lot of gossip thrown in to the mix.

What this tells me is that "Mr." Snyder is as much a "marketing genius" as he is a "football guy".

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Humpty Danny sat on a wall, Humpty Danny will have a GREAT FALL, if he doesn't pull his head out of his third point of contact and hire from within. While I am just a pup of a Redskins fan (only 36 years worth), I am totally at the point that my belief in the Skins is being overcome with cancer called Dan Snyder. Maybe his mom or dad should help him recall the most important survival trait that one person can have.....COMMON SENSE....Don't embarrass us AGAIN Dan, JUST SAY NO and DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!!!

Posted by: charles.bean | January 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

With JLC being quiet all day, it looks like the leaks have dried up.

Therefore, its reasonable to assume the activity has slowed/paused. This confirms yesterday's speculation that we're in for the long haul.

Posted by: gdennie | January 25, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

4-12

No one in the media ever picks the Redskins to do anything, while the Cardinals are always the new up and comer.

As far as the Redskins being the Cardinals of the east, The Cardinals were teh Cardinals of the east long before the Redskins were.

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Skins vs Miami? Be good to see Mike Bass make a play. But that damn goal post gets in the way when Kilmer goes for the end zone.

Better game for Skins fans vs Miami. Sonny vs Greise in RFK a year or two later. Rusty in his first start of the year, Sonny throws 3 picks in the 1st half. 2nd half, the rust is gone and Sonny is magnificent. Brilliant. He brings the Skins back to take the lead. But Griese fights back and the Fins get a TD inside 2 minutes and the Fins lead by 4.

The Skins get the last chance and Sonny was never better. Perfect. Threw to every receiver he had. Charley Taylor, Roy Jefferson, Jerry Smith, Moses Denson and Larry Smith for the winning TD.

Sonny's only incomplete pass on the winning drive was because the refs decided not to call pass interference on the most blatant pass interference ever. After the game, the Fins LB said it was interference ... he tackled the receiver because if he didn't, it would have been a TD.

I'd love to watch that game again!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Forrest Gump
The Sting
The Graduate

though Casablanca, Blues Bros, Animal House and Slap Shot aren't far behind ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

OK, top three favorite Romantic Comedies:

NO, this stops right here.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

i can't just pick 3 movies...

this second:

lotr trilogy

slap shot

rushmore

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Since 83 the Cardinals have been to the playoffs one time. The redskins have beaten that in the past 3 years alone, in a tougher division. How does that compare?

Posted by: sams3 | January 25, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Diddy - speaking of marketing, I can only imagine what the post is getting for advertisements or this blog (considering the number of "hits" this page is getting).

Posted by: BT23 | January 25, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

You must have a really good memory to recall all that.......not many pre-Gibbs games out on the trading circuit. I have a 1971 Skins/Rams MNF game which is cool (Kilmer has an awesome game), but only a few other games from the 70's. 1982 forward you can find just about anything.......

Posted by: dlhaze | January 25, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Just a question. If Gregg Williams is the coach how much blowing up do you think will happen? Do you all think he would leave everything else as is, as far as coaches go? Al stays, someone is promoted to DC, and the offensive and defensive systems stay the same? Or do you think he does some blowing up of his own?

Posted by: fgtdr | January 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
Fletch
The Longest Day

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest
Fletch
The Longest Day

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What this tells me is that "Mr." Snyder is as much a "marketing genius" as he is a "football guy".

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 12:50 PM

Diddy,

Every day it gets harder to give a sympathetic spin to Snyder's actions since Gibbs resigned. He's always handled adversity in the past by throwing money at the problem, but this time money's failed him. Short a miracle, he doesn't seem to have a backup plan. He's way out of his element.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

A $10 million dollar idea

OK, here's the solution. Make a life-size wax model of Gibbs and with headphones and a Redskin jacket on and put it on a track that goes up and down the sidelines.

Let Al call the offense and Gregg run the defense. If you're going to freeze the kicker, only do it once.

You may have to pay Joe some royalties but it's a lot cheaper than hiring a new HC, and you'll probably have a better record at the end of the season.

Keep the continuity . . . .

Posted by: Craazyman | January 25, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Talent,

Not to mention his religion,...right?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

argh, who am I, Jimmy Two Times?

sorry.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Top:
American Beauty
Seven
The Big Lebowski

Favorite Movie I Don't Like to Admit to but is Awesome Anyway:

The Fifth Element

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

psps - this unchecked aggression will not stand. Not to mention, I don't think it's legal to have a Marmot.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

If Gregg Williams is the coach how much blowing up do you think will happen? Do you all think he would leave everything else as is, as far as coaches go? Al stays, someone is promoted to DC, and the offensive and defensive systems stay the same? Or do you think he does some blowing up of his own?

Posted by: fgtdr | January 25, 2008 01:03 PM

My theory is that Al stays and that he doesn't change much.

If he gets the job, he's on a short leash and has to produce fast. He doesn't have time to re-invent the Redskins -- he needs to win now with this owner. I think he tries to get younger on the O side, but without major disruption.

I also think that's why Snyder won't hire him. Snyder wants to fire Saunders and Williams wants to keep him and that's why they're at an impasse. Remember that Snyder fired Marty because Marty wouldn't fire his O-Coordinator.

Just a theory, hunch, or wild-ass guess. And just one of many that fits the known facts, which are precious few.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

TE - Marty Quit. He quit because he wanted total control and The Schneid wouldn't give it to him

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

you want a coach? i can get you a coach. hell, i can get you a coach by 3 o'clock today, with nail polish. there are ways dude, you don't know.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This thing is going to 1000. I can feel it.

Fletch was great, an all time classic. I think Talledega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby will top it in time. In fact, I think the entire Will Ferrell era is going to top that of any comedian (even Eddie who peaked and then dropped off the deep end).

Favorites of the moment:

Empire Strikes Back
Shawshank (pre-TNT ruination)
The Life of Brian

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,
And let's not forget what that basic level of communications and transparency would do to cool the heads of the coaches and players.

Even if all the news were not good, they might at least feel there was some kind of openness to the process, that DS is trying to do the right thing for the team in a public way, or that there would be some rational outcome...instead of stone walling.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"SETH.LEMASTER,

What's your mom's maiden name? And last 4-digits of your social? Oh, and what was the first elementary school you attended?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 11:35 AM "

Lol... apparently when the whole anonymous posting stuff here ended, it just used my email address as my username... are you asking me that information so that you can submit my name in every timeshare database in existance so i get even more offers? if so, that would be swell.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

JustinBaker--

This is the way they tell it on Wikipedia, not always the most reliable source:

"In a controversial move, Daniel Snyder, the owner of the Redskins, fired Schottenheimer on January 13, 2002 after just one 8-8 season to make room for former University of Florida head coach Steve Spurrier."

I remember it differently -- Snyder fired Schottenheimer when Marty wouldn't change O-Coordinator, and a few days later Spurrier announced that he'd like to try his hand at the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Star Wars (the real first one)
LOTR trilogy
From Here to Eternity

also... Fletch, Rushmore and anything with John Belushi, almost anything with Bill Murray, John Candy, Steve Martin... blah blah blah... we need a new freakin' post!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Wolfs nipple chips. Get em while they're hot, they're lovely.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I saw that too. I think it's inacrate. My sources told me that Marty quit. My sources have been wrong before.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Watched the 'Superbad' on the DVD the other night, that was AWESOME. Way better than 'Knocked Up,' which I did like a lot. A worthy entry in this welcome run of grown-up comedies over the past few years that cleverly balance the smart and the obscene.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

but if wikipedia prints it it must be true. Right?


-A knock at wikipedia, not you my friend.


Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

fgtdr,
I reviewed the roster with the thought of Grilliams being the new head coach and it looked like to me between 15-20 percent of the roster is vulnerable for next year. With a outsider at head coach, there could be a real house cleaning.

As for coaching staff, it's anybodies guess. Its changing the play book and schemes that will be a real setback.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

McLovin are violating that girl? LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

In fact, I think the entire Will Ferrell era is going to top that of any comedian

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 01:14 PM

I think Old School is going to be the defining comedy of this generation. That really was the launching point for all the comedies of the last few years. It brought back vintage Vince Vaughn, transitioned the Wilson brothers into pure comedy, and launched Will Ferrell out of the SNL shadow. Everything has moved from there. Will Ferrell to Judd Apatow with Anchorman, Apatow to Seth Rogen with 40 year-old virigin, Seth Rogen to Michael Cera (Superbad). Not to mention that Old School is still the best comedy that anybody in this whole extended group has been in.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Cantreporta - what no updates in almost 24 hrs? Not even a guest blog to help pass the time? Sigh...how long will this coaching search last, me thinks?

Posted by: mrhanki9 | January 25, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

this is DAN SNYDERS WORLD, we just breath in it. this is not our team it's Dan's team.

Posted by: sthai75 | January 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I loved Super Bad AND Knocked Up...but there sorta different..

On the Judd Apatow tip I LOVED Walk Hard. If your a comedy and music nerd, as I am, its the perfect way to kil and hour and a half.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Empire Strikes Back
Shawshank (pre-TNT ruination)
The Life of Brian

Posted by: sheidt99


Who knew it would take movies for us to finally agree on something.

Shawshank, hard to believe that was a Stephen King piece of literature.

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by "fatbastard" on Mark Maske's blog:

"I would like to fill all of my fellow fans in on something regarding Grilliams and his chances of becoming HC.

I actually ran in to him yesterday evening (YES, I really did). I told him how much we diehards want him to be the HC and asked him if he thinks he still has any chance of becoming that...wellll, this is what Grilliams said:

"If I were a betting-man, I would place a hefty wager on me becoming the next HC of the Redskins" as he smiled and got into his car......"

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/2008/01/waiting_for_super_bowl_assista.html

Well I hope your are correct first of all.

Secondly, if this is the case I don't think Williams is too cracked up about this offense and maybe some of those on the offensive side of the ball anyway.

Case in point on one of Portis's many fumbles this year he came whining to the sidlines only to be greeted by Gregg Williams. He shooed Portis away and you could read his lips saying "I don't want to hear it."

If he becomes HC, then he should have say in who he wants as his offensive corrdinator I would think.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 25, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Psp,

I concur on your thesis on Old School %100, good work!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Holy Schnike, a ray of sunshine...

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Guess it could be true. I mean, it is theoretically possible that a random fan who posts on internet boards ran into GWilliams at a grocery store, asked him a question, and that GWilliams answered in a way that said fan wanted and that he's not lying about any of it.

Then again...

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

re: wikipedia

Nature magazine did a large study comparing the accuracy of Science content on both wikipedia and Encylopedia Britanica.

Guess who won?

wikipedia

don't hate, appreciate!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate, we can't stop now! Maske's post about the risk of waiting 'till after the Super Bowl has literally tens of comments.

There will not be a comment gap! Not on my watch!

Speaking of which
1. Dr. Strangelove
2. Monty Python (I'm not gonna choose one)
"Mom, Judith... Judith, Mom!"
3. Animal House

Posted by: daggar | January 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Gladiator is all time best movie with 10 Commandments a close second. Moses Moses Moses. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody really think that GG has a shot at this point? I mean several days of screaming about it doesn't change that more than likely we're looking at a different coach and major change. (I remember when Al got here though and Greg was on record complaining about the lack of ball control in the offense hurting his defense so I think weird Al's gone no matter what) I think the question now becomes out of all the outside guys who do we want?

for me:
1) McDaniel
2) Grimm
3) Fassel
4) Meeks
5) Anybody else

Also, I'm just throwing this out there, now that we are the only team with a HC opening, and we historically offer the biggest bucks, we could be pretty tempting to any of the big names sitting out the year after the Super Bowl and time away from broadcasting and all that, I'm just asking, is it too late to still make a real run at Cowher or Marty when your the only game in town and you got the biggest bucks? P.S.- Executive V.P. implies there is a President, and I don't see one right now in the organization, could it be that the Danny wants the same triumvirate of power and is still planning on big a splash hire and making the president too.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

but if wikipedia prints it it must be true. Right?

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 01:21 PM

It's only right when I says what I want it to say.

I rummaged around the archives at Sports Illustrated and came up with some Don Banks columns from that era. The issue was Dan Snyder wanted to take power back from Schottenheimer that he'd given to him. He was discussing bringing in a GM -- Ron Wolf and Beatherd were mentioned (by the press, which is less reliable than Wiki, unless they're saying what I want them to say). Banks column quoted Marty as saying he'd be willing to accept a GM in order to keep his job, but Spurrier stories were circulating before Marty was fired.

I'm sorry, but it looks to me like a firing, not a resignation, and I also remember that Snyder was paying him for a year he was out of football and also was topping up his new salary when he took over at San Diego since the Chargers realized they didn't have to pay as well as the 'Skins paid.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Young Frankenstein

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

True story:

The other day I was on the subway, I ran into Jim Morrison. I was like "man i thought you were dead"

He said, nope been working as a bus boy at Scores since 1990. Before that kicked around selling touquise jewlrey in south west canada.

So how about it Lizard King, you gettin the Doors back together?

As he exited at Canal Street he said, "I was a betting man I lay down a fat wad we play MSG on June 13th"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Star Wars One (the first one released)

The Commitments

Most John Ford directed westerns

Posted by: driley | January 25, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Your sources are wrong. Schotty was fired

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE1D81438F937A25752C0A9649C8B63

"Schottenheimer was fired just hours after he and his agent, Tom Condon, met with the Redskins' principal owner, Daniel Snyder. Schottenheimer, who was also the director of football operations, finished his first season with the Redskins with an 8-8 record after an 0-5 start.

The Redskins said they fired Schottenheimer because he refused to relinquish some of his authority.

''Our decision was a difficult one and based on philosophical management issues, not on coaching ability,'' Snyder said in a statement. ''We wish Marty all the best in his future coaching endeavors.''

Schottenheimer will receive the $7.5 million remaining on the four-year, $10 million contract he signed a year ago."

No way was he walking away from 7.5 mil.

Anyone remember this story?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00E2D8143BF933A15752C0A9649C8B63

"Want to know how ugly things got between the coaching staff of the Washington Redskins and the team's principal owner, Daniel Snyder?

Three of the fired assistant coaches said they suspected that Snyder used listening devices to eavesdrop on members of the coaching staff, bugging their telephones and offices.

Why? They said they believed Snyder was attempting to learn negative information about the coaches, in case he had to fire them, so he could use the information as justification not to honor their contracts. The coaches said they believed this very strongly."

Something says that Snider didn't do that on Gibbs' watch.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Mad Max

Caddyshack

Blue Velvet

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Best movie to skip: There Will Be Blood.

2.5 hours I don't get back. Hopefully I can save some others from the same dreary fate.

Do something more fun and useful like blogging your guts out.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody really think that GG has a shot at this point?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 01:31 PM

This is me, raising my hand. Yes, I think he has a shot, and probably a better shot than Fassel. He's the best man for the job, and Snyder may yet convince himself of that. And, maybe not. I think he's in the running until Snyder names someone else.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Top 3 movies :

Grandma's Boy

Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

Super Troopers

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 25, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Empire Strikes Back
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Juno

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"If I were a betting-man, I would place a hefty wager on me becoming the next HC of the Redskins" as he smiled and got into his car......"

This sounds just like another tale posted on ES a couple of days ago, where GggW was at a dealership buying a truck for one of his sons.

Either it's an urban legend that is morphing but keeping the same punch line, or else GggW is giving the same line to anyone who asks.

Flip a coin as to which it is, because either is plausible.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Tombstone
Man on Fire
Big Lebowski

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Comedies:

Swingers
Old School
Road Trip

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Brazil.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's something for us news-starved hamsters! [from the Columbus Dispatch]

"Cowboys hire former Browns defensive coach

Todd Grantham was hired as the defensive line coach for the Dallas Cowboys, less than two weeks after the Browns unexpectedly fired him as defensive coordinator.

Grantham is familiar with the 3-4 alignment favored by Cowboys coach Wade Phillips, having coached it under Romeo Crennel and former Houston Texans coach Dom Capers.

Under Grantham in 2007, the Browns defense was 30th in total yards allowed, 27th in rushing defense, 26th in sacks, 24th in passing defense, 21st in scoring defense and 14th in interceptions. Still, his dismissal was considered a surprise because the defense improved late in the season."

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Single thread comment count record is in excess of 1,000.

Maybe, if there is no news till COB EST...just maybe. Of course, Cindy is the only one who would care.

As for me, I'll take a new post, anytime now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

who do you think is the best movie villain of all time?

my vote actually goes to Commodus from Gladiator. as much as i don't like to use modern movies in all-time discussions, i've never hated a movie character more in my life.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

true story - I ran into Marty at 31 flavors last night and he said it was the media's fault that everyone thinks he was fired. He told me that he quit. He then smiled and got into his flying car.

Thanks for the research. I stand corrected! My sources, who sacked my original sources have been sacked. My new source is Tommy the Wonder Llama.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I'm ready for a new post

Posted by: gocards05 | January 25, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Movies:

Anchorman, The Legend of Ron Burgundy

Old School

Braveheart

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Madame Medusa from The Rescuers (my kids loved this one).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

beep beep (testing...testing...) beep beep

Posted by: chris_skins_balt | January 25, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Best movie ever Wedding Crashers!:)

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

JustinBaker,
If he had flown off on a winged unicorn, that would have been the post of the day. :)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

After long deliberation, I will state this as articulately and eloquently as current circumstances permit:

Snyder You Suck

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The Princess Bride?

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

U missed the appropriate Top Gun quote:

sniff sniff

"Snyder, you stink..."

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 25, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Hoosiers
Master and Commander
The Decline of Dan (still in writing...)

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if I can pick just three movies but if I had to, as of right now:
Shawshank Redemption
Old School
Jungle Book (Baloo is my favorite).

Top three pies:
Pecan Pie (had some last night...mmm)
Pumpkin Pie
Apple Pie

Top books:
Sword of Shannara by Terry Brooks
State of Fear by Crichton
The Wealthy Barber by David Chilton

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Dean Wormer ... that double secret probation thing, WOW!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Gladiator never really did anything for me. I think Darth Vader has to be the greatest villian... although his redemption might disqualify him from truly being a villian.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I tend to believe "the beat reporter" more than I do some random dude on the Internet. His reporting has reflected the truth

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 02:54 AM

"The Truth"
by Jason La Canfora

"This franchise went from 900 million to 1.5 billion since Gibbs came here in 2004. That's the bottom line here. Snyder is not gonna give the head coaching job to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"former Baltimore DC Rex Ryan would replace Gregg Williams if it goes down this way" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"The Redskins have still said nothing to Williams and the rest of the coaches and all signs pointing to Fassel." -Beat Reporter, January 22

"I Need A Job Where I Can Just Make Things Up And Create The News" -Beat Reporter, January 21

"In an era of rampant speculation I am being as careful as I can." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"For all of the yapping about continuity and stability, sure sounds like a blood-letting is upon us. Owner Dan Snyder was given multiple opportunities to endorse an in-house candidate, and specifically Gregg Williams, and declined to do so." -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Jim Fassel, former Giants coach and Baltimore assistant, could be getting a look." -Beat Reporter, January 21

"Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to. Now, as I mentioned earlier Cowher would want full roster and personnel control and probably want to bring some of his own people in as well" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Cowher is off the market...He knows the kind of $$$ Snyder spends and he is not wavering in his stance" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I'd be stunned if the Skins don't reach out to Cowher soon" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"If it's Gregg Williams, the process will be over in 3-5 days" -Beat Reporter, January 8

"Several NFL sources said that they took the identification of Schwartz as a candidate as another sign that Williams, who the players strongly support, does not appear to be the front runner." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"It doesn't come off as a great sign that they bring in Williams's former assistant, obviously" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"We've just started this process. It's the first interview of many. We need to slow down. It's impossible to see the entire picture right now. It's a fluid situation and this isn't free agency - you don't hire every guy you bring into town." -Beat Reporter, January 10

"I thought he and Gibbs could have sent a much stronger message about the validity of their in house people as candidates at the press conference" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Wouldn't it be an indictment of this entire Joe Gibbs 2.0 era if Snyder went through the process then handed it over to someone with little-to-no head coaching experience - without at least talking to the in-house guys first" -Beat Reporter, January 10

"Greg Williams will most definitely be a part of the process and, as I posted earlier, he is expected to interview at the end of the cycle, likely the final interview." -Beat Reporter, January 11

"But to this point I do not have anything firm enough to meet the Post's standards" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"It would really be something to have none of Gibbs's guys even get an interview" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"the consensus I keep coming to is Williams is the guy" -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Got an email from one of those on-line casinos with the odds for the next coach of the Skins. It's notable for what it doesn't say more than what it does:

Gregg Williams - 2/1
The Field - 2/1
Bill Cowher - 5/1
Al Saunders - 5/1
Brian Billick - 6/1
Jason Garrett - 9/1
Mike Singletary - 12/1
Rex Ryan - 12/1
Jim Caldwell - 15/1

So, basically, Vegas has no idea at this point" -Beat Reporter, January 9

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Looking back, I could have made that three separate posts. Need to brush up on my BMGO ettiquette.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hans Gruber by Alan Rickman.

Best. Movie. Villain. Ever.

He even had a little book that he wrote all his "evil talking points" in. Combine the little speeches, the diabolical plan, and the cold hearted nature and he wins by a mile.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Master and Commander:The Far Side Of The World

The Truman Show

Singles

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

barno actually has a pretty good wit and sense of humor. If only he could get over his obsession with "the beat reporter". Pretty sad.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

BCB, good expansion.

Books:
The Devils Teeth
Sowbelly
I Had A Hammer

Pies
Blueberry
Apple
Mince Meat

No pie is really complete without Breyers Natural Vanilla...fyi..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Barno got a few hours of internet time from the mental ward. Good job. Glad to see they've taken that cathetor out of your willie. Now you can increase the number of posts on Jasno's blog and make him some more money.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I could talk pie for days...

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Man, how did I forget my favorite comedy of all time:

Raising Arizona

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Breyers is the tops. Went to the store last night and got all economical. Bought Turkey Hill because it was $3 per half instead of the $6 per half for Breyers. I'll spend the extra money next time.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Other great villains:

Tony Montoya in Scarface

Al Pacino in the Devil's Advocate (I mean, he was pure evil, right?)

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

In the villian category, the young Damien from The Omen II gets my vote.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The dude in 'The Vanishing' (the original one, I think it was Dutch) wasn't the scariest villain per se -- scary in that apparently 'normal' person capable of heinous acts kind of way -- but that was the scariest freakin' movie I've ever seen.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

O Brother
March of the Penguins
Deep Throat (The one with Dustin Hoffman)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Villian- Nurse Mildred Ratched. You can't tell me you're not rooting for RP to kill her.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hans Gruber by Alan Rickman.

Best. Movie. Villain. Ever.

He even had a little book that he wrote all his "evil talking points" in. Combine the little speeches, the diabolical plan, and the cold hearted nature and he wins by a mile.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 01:59 PM

Hans Gruber was a good movie villian. Very good, in fact. Alan Rickman's delivery, his silky but ice-cold tone, cemented his place in the pantheon of great movie villain actors (it's also what makes him the best Snape ever). But how can you ignore another 80's classic?

Khan Noonien Singh.

Discuss.

Posted by: jaradel | January 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

bcb, and its not even close either, its Breyers...............and then everyone else.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I also think that Christopher Walken as the Angel of Death in The Prophecy was fundamentally bad ass. That dude was made to be a villain and he had a number of incredibly good lines in that movie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to Starbucks and I'm not coming back until they say who the coach will be. Or, until the start selling the $1 coffees here in DC. Or, until 2:30. Whichever comes first.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

the shark in Jaws

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

barno...the same dude who spouted lies defending President Bush earlier this week

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 02:54 AM

lie: a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

If you're going to say I "spouted lies" you better come with some examples. Please cite exactly which false statement I made that was made with deliberate intention to deceive.

Thank you.

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

BCB, Turkey Hill does make a mean ice cream sandwich, now.

I used to bring boxes of Double Deckers over when I watched football with my friends, and there were never any leftovers. (And no, Diddy, that's not a Brooklyn Decker joke.)

http://www.turkeyhill.com/products/ice-cream-sandwiches.asp

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

kim jong il in team america: world police

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hagen Daz. And Hannibal Lector i mean the man was eating people

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Barno calling someone out for what he wrote on the Redskins Insider blog?

Wow... just wow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, but Barno really makes me laugh sometimes.

jm,

Close Encounters is a good movie, huh? I've never seen it and it's sitting on my DVR. I'll check it out over the weekend and give you my review.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Alan Rickman as the Sheriff of Nottingham... Rickman just plays villains like no other... However, not without his comedic talents as well.

See Dogma. Another favorite...

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

yea pretty much everything with Alan Rickman rocks. Sorta like Robert Duvall. I don't think that guy has ever played a bad part. Even bad movies he's been in (Days of Thunder) are better because of him.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

great movie villains:

david lo pan and the three storms

big trouble in little china

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

" ... And Hannibal Lector i mean the man was eating people ..."

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 02:11 PM

You people are going over the top! How do we know that he even LIKES eating people?!?!?! Because The Beat Reporter says so? The definition of "eat" is chew with intent to ingest. Please point to one instance when we saw Hannibal Lechter chewing, much less with intent to ingest. Thank you.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

maybe villains should be categorized into 2 groups; villains you hate, and villains you love.

hannibal lecter is a great villain, but he's also the one you've got to love. you just can't hate the mad doctor.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I also think that Christopher Walken as the Angel of Death in The Prophecy was fundamentally bad ass. That dude was made to be a villain and he had a number of incredibly good lines in that movie.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 02:08 PM

Most definitely. But did you catch Viggo Mortenson's cameo as the Devil? That was excellent casting.

Not a movie villain, per se, but a really unlikable character, was Peter Gallagher's character in "sex, lies and videotape". Sleeping with his wife's sister was beyond low. He also played smarmy Buddy Kane, the Real Estate King, in "American Beauty" (one of my absolute, all-time favorite movies EVER). It took me a looong time to warm up to Peter Gallagher as a good guy in other movies, after playing two really smarmy bastiges in those movies.

And speaking of Kevin Spacey... John Doe in "Se7en" and Keyser Soze in "The Usual Suspects."

Posted by: jaradel | January 25, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Never seen close encounters? What? How is that possible?
I wouldn't say it's good by today's standards but it's place in history is firmly cemented. It's just a clasic. Sort of like gone with the wind, it's just one of those movies that everyone should see at least once.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

barno actually has a pretty good wit and sense of humor. If only he could get over his obsession with "the beat reporter". Pretty sad.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 02:01 PM

but barno seems to have no point, other than to display his incredible ctl-c/ctl-v skills

From his post

"I keep hearing that Jim Fassel is in a great position to get this job" -Beat Reporter, January 22

"Gregg Williams is by far the leading candidate for this job." -Beat Reporter, January 12

"Bill Cowher fits the bill for what Snyder would be attracted to" -Beat Reporter, January 8

All three of these statements have a couple to many different corroborating pieces of evidence. It's quite possible that all three were true AT THE TIME THEY WERE WRITTEN and that Danny/Vinny either can't make up their minds and/or couldn't close the deal (either due to other contractual obligations, last minute deal sticking points, etc.) with the then target candidate.

Hence, the contradictory statements may accurate reporting of a process run amok, not irresponsible and innacurate reporting by "the beat reporter".

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Johnny and his Sensei in Karate Kid.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

He was cooking the guys brain and feeding it to him thats good enough for me.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Best ice cream ever:

http://www.crepesywaffles.com/

Crepes and Waffles. It's a Colombian brand/restaurant chain. They're up to Mexico now. Soon I imagine they'll be in the US.

The food is ok. The ice cream is by far the best I've ever had. And it's not even a contest. Probably something to do with the fact that Colombian milk farmers don't use steroids/hormones/antibiotics etc or something.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

What did Dan Snyder do to Sportstalk 980? They hate him. I've never seen bashing like that. "Smokin" Al Coken is a joke!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 25, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

While not from a movie per say, the 3 greatest villains of all time in my opinion are from The Wire:

Marlo Stanfield
Stringer Bell
Avon Barksdale

Greatest movie villain:

King Edward Longshanks

"If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out"

Greatest cartoon villain:

Charles Montgomery Burns

"This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you."

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

jaradel, i actually had american beauty and seven listed in my top 3 movies above. usual suspects is awesome too. basically, kevin spacey is the man.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

barno, here's an entire website of bush/cheney lies/misrepresentations/falsehoods about the Iraq war for you to troll through

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Have fun

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

He wasn't a villain, IIRC, but John Turturro was pretty freakin' creepy in "Secret Window."

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Biggest Villian Ever.

Watching the movie called Redskins Offseason.

Stars this short maniacial Danny guy. Scares the crap out of me

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge what are they saying?

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Adam, I'm against barno's ranting about Jasno. It's when he's not posting about Jasno that he's shown a skill for some great comments. My lament is that he can't get over his obsession with Jasno.

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Johnny and his Sensei in Karate Kid.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 02:17 PM

put him in a bodybag johnny yeaaaaaaa!!!

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Barno, I almost always love it when you post on topics other than the Beat Reporter. 2:20 is a perfect example, man.

When you grind your anti-Jason axe, you come off as a joyless crank on an utterly pointless one-man crusade. Maybe this is not how you mean to come off, but there it is.

And it adds nothing, nada, nil, zilch -- amazingly, even less than what I add! -- to the conversation up here to post your updated list of grievances. Maybe when you get to 95 you can nail them to the door of the WashPo office!

Lighten up, or get a life, or something, dude... please, for your own sake! I've suggested this before, because it really seems to me that Jason's reporting and blogging get you upset all out of proportion to what is merited. I think fixating on Jasno in this way cannot be a healthy thing, dude. Just saying is all...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, BCBarney.

I'm off to Vegas! Wish me luck, fellow hamsters. I promise to buy everyone a round of beer and pie if I hit it big.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

you know who makes a really good villain that you love to hate...gene hackman

in superman, unforgiven...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Villian i hated. The warden in the shaw shank redemtion. I really wanted to see him get it. Great movie to.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck diddy!!

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Greatest comedic villain nominee...

Buford T. Justice - Smokey and the Bandit series..

"Junior, when we get home I'm gonna punch yo Momma straight in the mouth..."

"You'll always be my little tick-turd"

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Villian i hated. President Logan on 24. Damn I wanted him to give him the beat down.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

jack nicholson as the joker?
or devito as the penguin?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Barno,
Your 2:20 proves it, you're one of us. Keep bring it. It's all good (even the worn out axe). You can dish it out and you can take it.


zcezcest1,
There is no end to the sequels....

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- Look out....Vegas is on fire. No, literally on fire...put on the tv!!!!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

you know who makes a really good villain that you love to hate...gene hackman

in superman, unforgiven...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 02:23 PM

you know what's an underrated "hatred" role for him, the captain in crimson tide. not really a villain, but i really hated him by the end of the movie.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

diddy, you'll have to tell us all about it when you get back. HA
Good Luck.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Greatest movie villain:

King Edward Longshanks

"If we can't get them out, we'll breed them out"

Greatest cartoon villain:

Charles Montgomery Burns

"This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That's democracy for you."

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 02:20 PM

Longshanks was dispicable but not overly evil. In fact, I don't think he was a particularly dangerous villain as he constantly discounted the Scots to the point that a rabble of poorly armed and barely trained northmen were able to defeat the best trained army in the world. Not much of a villain if you ask me. Even if he did launch "prima nocta" into pop culture venacular.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

and ohh freakzilla, unlike you i couldn't control myself and....*puts on armor*...i had lunch at john rockets!

i know i know...i deserve all of it...but i wanted some beef...and 5 guys was no where to be found...i even asked people...i did everything i could to not eat there...i'm ashamed.

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

you guy's watchin cnn. montecarlo in vegas is on fire right now.

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 25, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Deep Blue
True Romance
Blue in the Face

Though its really not right to talk about best "movie" ... the category is way too broad. [On that point, someone told me the other day that Anheuser-Busch is going to stop marketing Budweiser as a "beer" but instead as a "lager".] If its shown in the cinemas, is that a "movie"? What about straight to video or straight to DVD? or made-for-TV movies?

Frankly, "movie" is not even a category, its a meta-category. Categories would be things like "comedies" or "horror" or "violence" or "buddy-cops" or "documentary" or "biopic" or "by the Coen Brothers." Those would be categories.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

good call 4-12

gives new meaning to a hot streak at the blackjack tables

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla, unlike you i couldn't control myself....*puts on armor*...i just had lunch at johny rockets!

i know i know...i had no choice. someone put a gun to my head...there was nothing else around...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Good call on True Romance there, sween...

Got a flash of Gandolfini's greatness pre-Sopranos.. and an execllent cameo from Walken.

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Soruon was priety evil even though he was just an eye. Why would u want to mess with the lil gay hobbits like that.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

not that im for bringing in anyone from the baltimore browns, but why is no one talking about billick for the skins job. he won a superbowl with no qb and he has had a winning record every year he has had any kind of qb play at all. it seems like he would also fit snyders need for a name.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Villian i hated. The warden in the shaw shank redemtion. I really wanted to see him get it. Great movie to."

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 02:24 PM

Not sure if he's a villian, but "The Man with No Eyes" in Cool Hand Luke never seemed like the kind of guy I'd like to have as head coach.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Blue Bell Key Lime Pie Ice Cream - Pie and Ice Cream in one container -

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

barno, here's an entire website of bush/cheney lies/misrepresentations/falsehoods about the Iraq war for you to troll through

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

Have fun

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 25, 2008 02:21 PM

Liberals always love throw the word "liar" around when they believe something someone said is untrue. It's really amazing that liberals of all ages fundamentally don't understand the meaning of the word "lie." Just because something is untrue or not proven to be true, does not make it a lie. The United Nations, U.S. congress, NSA, CIA, Great Britain, our military leaders, and many intelligence agencies around the world all believed in large part that Saddam Hussein had stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. Hell, he had even used WMD against his own people, had a Nuclear facility that had been destroyed by the Israelis 2 decades earlier, and from every indication seemed intent on acquiring a nuclear weapon. John Kerry stood on the Senate floor back in October of 2002 and spent 45 minutes outlining his support for the war. Hillary Clinton supported the war and voted to give president Bush the authority to invade. Bill Clinton's official policy during his 8 years as president was "Regime Change in Iraq." 90% of Americans supported the War in Iraq when we invaded.

But it appears, though still not yet conclusively, that Hussein did not have the stockpiles of WMD that the broad consensus of the Western world thought he had. And yet liberals would still like to believe in their own little worlds that this makes President Bush and Vice President Cheney "liars."

Liberals in large part simply have no shame. They care more about getting back in power than they care about this country. Don't believe me? Take a look at the newsletters from Moveon.org about the "recession" and about the war. They are actively rooting for us to fail in Iraq and for our economy to tank--because they know this is the best hope at getting a Democrat back in the White House.

These are not lies...these are facts.

Interesting...

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

best scenes: 4-way tie all from the same movie; pulp fiction

1. picking up the case from brett
2. breakfast diner
3. cleaning out the car
4. adrenaline shot

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

worst villian? Lady Catherine de Burgh, Pride and Prejudice. Talk about a witch!

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The scene in True Romance where Patricia Arquette smashes the cover of the toilet tank over Gandolfini's head stands out quite vividly. You don't see a lot of that in motion pictures.

Best car chase: Blue Brothers (though I haven't seen that Bourne movie with a car chase, which I understand is pretty sweet).

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

what aint no country i ever heard of

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, don't drink and gamble. Think about it. Alkeehol clouds the ol' judgment, and the drinks are free if you're gamblin'. Eh? Eh? Yes. Think about it.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If u ever read comic books Thanos from the silver surfer was a mean dude. I know im a comic geek i still have them all from when i was younger.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the best villain of all time was definitely the sled in Cloverfield.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Come on' Stay Strong we're almost at 1,000 comments!

Posted by: david | January 25, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

True Romance - Gary Oldman's "Drexel" character was pretty great too... and of course Brad Pitt's stoner roommate gig was pretty funny. Tarantino wrote that one too didn't he?

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, how come I get brain duty!?!?!

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Best Movie Villains:

The Warden in Shawshank.
Hannibal Lecter
Jeff Bridges in The Vanishing

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Id definetly take Billeck over Fassel if i had to pick between the two. Though neither are very apealing.

Posted by: outlaw22 | January 25, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

150 more posts to 1K. We can do this, people!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Dan "The Fan" is trying to reach out to Richie Pettibone!!! Dan Henning is also being considered!!! But it may be "Donald Duck" who will be the last "man" standing.
Unless Dan "The Fan" shames St. Joe "Gut Check" Gibbs to come back one more time, just for one more year.

The Redskins continue their well-deserved reputation as the laughing stock of the NFL.

The reason G. Williams is not getting the job is because he refused to kiss Dan's big fat a##. St. Joe was an expert is kissing owner's a##, whether it was Mr. Cook's behind or Dan's. G. Williams won't do it and that's why he is Da'Man!!!!

P.S. Why does everyone think that Pettibone was a failure as a head coach? He inherited an aging team, which was on its way down. Gibbs saw it and bailed out just in time. Pettibone tried for continuity for one year and the offense stalled completely. If he had more time, certainly he would have made changes, but the owner was infatuated with what Johnson was doing in Dallas, so he wanted to hire Norv and that's why he fired Pettibone so quickly.

Posted by: auto_d20 | January 25, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX and Stumped,

Thanks fellas. I know we don't agree on JLC and I'm pretty sure we don't agree on most political issues. But when it comes to pop culture, we're on the same page...I think.

Happy Friday.

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Best scenes are from boondock saints
When he rips the toliet out of the wall and drops it of the top of the builing on top of a guys head
when the thugs try and take over the bar and they set the one dudes ass on fire.
And the one at the strip club when they look for the guy whos in the can.
Great movie on my top ten.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 25, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

what does marcellus wallace look like?

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

im not givin her the shot, you f#%$ed her up, your givin the shot. the day i bring an od ing B!&@# into your house ill give her the shot

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ah, it's all clear now. Barno is part of the 1% who still support Bush/Cheney and believe that all the "bad" news that we're hearing about these days is part of the vast left wing conspiracy. Got it.

Moving along.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My top 3 movies, subject to change with passage of time and my present mood:

Man on Fire
Out of Sight
The Empire Strikes Back

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Wild Bill" in The Green Mile. By the time that douche Percy shot him, I was ready to cheer.

Kiefer Sutherland in "Eye for an Eye". Ewww.

Spacey's Lex Luthor was ten times more evil than Hackman's. Another Hackman villain: The Quick and The Dead. He was a real bastige (by the way, intentional misspelling; obscure reference from Johnny Dangerously).

Nicholson in The Shining was far more evil than in Batman. Nicholson's Joker, I fear, will pale in comparison to Heath Ledger's Joker, if the trailer is any indication.

Top Dollar (Michael Wincott) in The Crow. He was a sadistic badass, and he slept with his sister. Double Ewww.

Unexpected villain: Tom Sizemore in "Strange Days". Also Vincent D'Onofrio as a deranged cop. That movie was surprisingly good, and still holds up rather well post-millenium. Ralph Fiennes was rather good as the good guy for a change.

Speaking of Ralph Fiennes: Francis Dolarhyde in "Red Dragon" and, love it or hate it, Voldemort.

Posted by: jaradel | January 25, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Denzel Washington...what was that movie's name? "King Kong aint got shti on mee!!!"

zoron was pretty scary too...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Barno,
I'm very far to the left based on the DC area, but when I moved to the PDX. I'm barely left of center.

(get outside of town and its another story)

Stay for the jibba, jabba.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

John Q is another very good movie

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

barno, even you have to admit that politicans are inherently liars, regardless of left or right. I'm assuming that you are on the right and apparently can't see the faults of the current administration.
Bush and company are liars.

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

This is what I asked for earlyer in the day. A Vinny defense. But I asked for a defense of Dan-Vinny part III. Remember our history is part one before Marty Part two 'ball coach'.

Notice -"He has the respect of alot of people in other organizations and in the media."

What about our fans 'who are smart'. What about this organization.

Look another tool

SETH.LEMASTER

Here are two things I would like to clear up (my own opinions of course):

A Number 1: No one has any evidence that Cerrato's new role will be a bad thing. If he becomes a defacto GM, that is a good thing. IDIOT FANS have somehow decided to make Cerrato a skapegoat for everything that is wrong with this organization. Cerrato has become the fall-guy for every bad decision that Gibbs, Williams, and The Danny have made, and this is entirely unfair. I think Cerrato may have benefitted from Gibb's tenure here more than anyone else in the organization. He is young, and should only get better in his "GM-like" role as time goes on. He has the respect of alot of people in other organizations and in the media... because he's a smart dude. If Snyder will just let the man keep his draft picks, we can expect to get some good talent in the coming years.

B Number 2: I think its atleast 90% certain that Greg and Danny didn't see eye-to-eye over two things:
1) Total Control. Double G likely wanted the same control Gibbs had - which would have been a foolish move on Snyders part. Snyders ignoring Cerrato and giving GG what he wanted led to us screwing Arrington over and going after Arch-Deluxe... did we all forget about William's arrogance costing us the franchise's most beloved playmaker? Which leads us to...
2)Williams hates Cerrato... likely because Cerrato has been right about a number of personnel decisions where GG has been wrong. Greg probably wanted Cerrato gone. I mean, why keep around a guy who is going to make you look bad? Snyders response to GG's feelings on Cerrato was to give him a new title and extension. Good for Danny.

C Number 3:What about Meeks? He seems woefully overlooked in this whole process. At the present time, I think he may be the best man for the job.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 09:42 AM

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

barno,

I think the reference to "lies" have more to do with the fact (and it is now a fact) that Bush/Cheney had reason to believe Saddam had no WMDs and he withheld that information and purposefully presented the case for war to the world and, more importantly, to the American People and their Congress as airtight. Right or wrong, many people believe that we invaded Iraq because perpetual war is considered virtuous by certain radical neocon philosophy that holds some sway in the current White House. Given what we now know about the pre-war intelligence about the lack of WMDs and given the laughable nexus Bush has tried to draw between 9-11 and Iraq, people are inclined to believe it was all pretext.

Also, "liberal" (much like "conservative") is a malleable term. I'm a liberal in the sense that the founding fathers were "liberals." I don't think you can point to any one source (and certainly not a radical source like moveon.org) as the single definition of "liberal" thought.

Posted by: LiberalMike | January 25, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Best car chase: Ronin

Best Soundtrack: Grand Canyon

Best Fight Scene: Kill Bill vol 2

First time I saw Boobs: Bachelor Party

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Simon Bar Sinister... nuff said.

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - blues brothers is definetly one of the best car chases. The Borne one is pretty good too... but I have to cast my vote for the best car chase is the one in Ronin. A great movie with Robert De Niro that you chould check out if you havn't seen it.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

In the category of Jarmusch movies:

1. Mystery Train
2. Down by Law
3. Sling Blade

[And Sling Blade JUST edged out Ghost Dog.]

Best Crispin Glover cameo: Dead Man

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

the best scene from b dock saints is when they fight each other in the ac duct and fall throught the ceiling only to be caught by the rope they were fighting over and cap 8 dudes while spinning upside down.

classic!!

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

You know the board is getting long in the tooth when someone actually stands up and defends Vinny C. I thought I'd seen it all...

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Three movies that I never want to see again:

American Beauty
Seven
21 Grams

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Training Day was the movie

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd object to politics but I keep talking about beer, pie, and movies so go right ahead.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

dealer, Training Day.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Best soundtrack: Fandango

[Pretty good movie too ... has Kevin Kostner in his only good role (and it may have been his debut), plus Sam Robards, and Judd Nelson.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

3 movies I've not been able to make it through without falling asleep....

Last of the Mohicans

Little Miss Sunshine

Edward Scissorhands

Posted by: dick | January 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

No more politics.

We need change change change change change change change.

Vinny is smart smart smart smart smart.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

best fight seen: obi-wan vs. annakin skywalker in Ep. 3

i know it's almost sacreligious to put this on the same level as Eps. 4-6, but that was a crazy scene. And when culminated by Annakin having the Vader helmet put on and taking his first breath with complete silence in the background....simply badass.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

dcsweeny, ya know I got mad luv for you, but gotta call you out again.

Sling Blade NOT a Jarmush movie. Stared and directed by BB Thorton.

So put Ghost Dog back in your JJ top three. Ghost Dog had a great score by The RZA as well!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Boswell's column tomorrow will say that the Redskin fans in preparation for boycotting the team next season turned their attention to various topics such as pie, quiche, and movie villains?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

car chase : the transporter 1
more bad guys: curly bill and the cowboys from tombstone
side note: bush has raised the national debt more than 3.5 trillion since he got the office according to russert in last nights debate. thats a 70 % increase over the 5 trill it was when he took over. he might be the worst prez ever. ps. i am strongly considering switching my party affiliation after the embarrasment that was "dubya"

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

thanks marino!

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I seriously think that the Hunt for Red October has a vastly underrated soundtrack. I mean, there's nothing Russian opera to get your blood pumping to kick soms soviet arse, no?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Best fight scene: Hardboiled

[Actually, lots of Chow Yun Fat's Hong Kong gangster flicks run circles around domestic flicks when it comes to handguns.]

jaradel, I was REALLY disappointed by Fiennes Voldemort. Also, best deranged D'Onofrio is in "Salton Sea" (minor spoiler: fake nose) ... better derangement than his character in Full Metal Jacket.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

In the category of Jarmusch movies:

Night on Earth is one of the funniest movies I have ever seen.

I also liked Stranger that Paradise in that every shot was from a stationary camera (no movement)

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Let me weld shut the politcal can 'o' worms. Let's all weld shut the redskins coaching search can 'o' sjk and try to enjoy the super bowl.

I think I am done with this for a while...

Posted by: JoeyV | January 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I am over analyzing but

"He is young, and should only get better in his "GM-like" role as time goes on."

That has to be the best phrase I have read in a long time.

GM-like = paperboy like
GM-like = pick my corns like
GM-like = Condi Rice like
GM-like = pick the peanuts out of my shet like

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Transporter is that the car chase just wasn't reasonably possible. It just got stupid after awhile. That's why I think Ronin still has the best car chase.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

mathew, NEVER ever say that! party switching is for people who switch teams. it's so lame! would you switch your team from skins to say panthers? even though skins don't have a coach or a clue and panthers have one of the best coaches and a couple of clues like a gm, an owner that knows what to do, an owner of a team that stole skins market share, a qb and a rb.

i hate people who switch teams. ugh! nasty! go panthers!

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Three Amigos!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

my gis crashed again. if we were at 1,000 comments, I'd call it a week.

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

another car chase is the italian job. something about the things minis can do that other cars just cant

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think Boswell's column tomorrow will say that the Redskin fans ... have turned their attention to various topics such as pie, quiche, and movie villains?"

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 02:59 PM

I sure as flip hope so.

Also, chRIs Larry, Jarmusch had a role in Sling Blade, so I count it. He worked the truck that sold french fries. [Also, part of the reason I bought Ghost Dog on DVD was the RZA soundtrack ... but the DVD doesn't have subtitles. D'Oh!]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I saw something on CNBC last night where a bunch of rich white guys were basicall laughing at Bill Gates for giving away so much money. It reminded me of Will Ferrell.

"What an idiot!"

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh and for the record, I enjoy none of Barno's posts. Pretty sure the feeling is mutual.

No worries bro, it takes all kinds.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder is killing this team as far as being productive on the field! He has no idea on how to run a football team, were not talking about his marketing obviously, but he gives Vinnie Cerrato a promotion - he's truly a court jester! I have no respect for Joe Gibbs either as he came back only for the money and his popularity! If he really liked Gregg Williams then he would be the new coach! Gibbs owes it to Williams as Willams and he defense saved Gibbs ass for the last 4 years. Snyder truly needs to hire someone who knows about football personnel and a coach with continuity would go along way for the fans and the team.

Posted by: Davlatt | January 25, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

dealer, at this point i have more faith in the danny than the gop, but your right, i am not really making a switch, just making a point about how terrible he is, but your right about party switching and team switching, im no bmore browns fan

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I love the talk of people boycotting the team.......like that's realistic.

If you don't want to root for them.....go right ahead....real REDSKINS fans don't need you or your fairweather ilk.

I've been thru all the hard times with the 'skins......I've been thru 3-13....I've been thru 0-7 and Frerotte slamming his head into a wall......I've been through Norv and the failure of Shuler......and this year the darkest moment in skins history with the death of Taylor....

None of this coaching brouhaha even comes close to those cataclysmic periods....and Snyder wasn't even present for most of them. Change happens....

I find its the years that no one expects anything from our beloved Skins that they actually do something.....

So let the Boobirds boo....let the media make fun....and let the boycotters leave....

The real Redskins fans will be there while all the haters will be trying to jump on the bandwagon like the new gen of Red Sox and Patriots fans.....


Posted by: goosedude | January 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Switching parties is nothing like switching teams. Circumstances change over time which influence a party (Dems were the pro-slavery party once, right?). Politicians desert the principles of their party because they're slack-jawed yokels who can barely read (what was that about the GOP being the party of small government?). And people grow and see that sometimes ideas they held when they were younger weren't terribly clever.

Teams have owners but the goal and value remains the same. Fight for ol' DC!

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe there's no news! Not even a bit of rumor... and Cindy must be off today, or she would definitely have hooked us up with a new thread. Ah well.

Less than a hundred to go to 1,000 comments on this thread, and it's been a while since we could say that.

Nice work, everybody. And by "work" I don't mean that thing we're all neglecting when we're busy up here.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Joe Gibbs ... came back only for the money and his popularity!"

I'll let a lot slide, but that has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard!!

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If i had any real work to do at my "job" I would be doing it. Instead, I'm inhabiting this board in the hopes that Jasno learns something juicy and puts it up.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm with what JoeyV said ... after I say this ... I'm with matthew-the-switcher's reasoning ... I can get on with my life over ideology, but the whole "drowing the baby in the bathwater" to destroy the country with debt (brought to us by Grover Norquist) is my main gripe.

Now, back to movies and pie (and meatloaf!).

Cult movie I tried to catch onto, but I think I was born too late: Rocky Horror Picture Show.

Also, why are motion pictures like Repo Man, Brother from Another Planet, This is Spinal Tap, (maps, such as), etc. called "cult" classics? They were well received when they came out and people still like them. Is it just b/c they didn't cost too much money to make?

Also, I've been taking breaks to search the intergooglewebtubes for actual football news from time to time, but nothing is coming up. I think Redskins Park faxed out a notice to all clubs to ice Big Media for the afternoon.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Work?!? Is that what I'm supposed to be doing. I've been on this blog all day and playing chess against the guy in the cube next to me. They pay me for this!

Posted by: BCBarney | January 25, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjTWmK_M22cbpYjwUSHJ6bQ5nYcB?slug=retreadcoachesoffersures&prov=tsn&type=lgns

Here's an article arguing that re-tread coaches have a better record of success than 1st timers for all of you out there hoping we hire a 31 year old wonder lick.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

goose, just to clarify, you had it right on the 'new generation' of Sox fans, and ALL pats fans. Once Brady goes south, that place will be a ghost town...

Going old school on the movies, but Cadillac Man is GREAT....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

is it possible that all the complaining about jla and his complaining led him to strike. did barno finally win?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that the damage has already been done. There is nothing Snyder can do at this point to restore faith of the fans, players, and coaches, in this franchise. we are the laughing stock of the league. no one will want to coach here. we will be like oakland, who had to get a wide receivers coach from college to be the HC because no one else wanted the job. Washington's organization is just as rediculous as Oaklands.

What Joe Gibbs spent 4 years rebuilding, Daniel Snyder managed to destroy in less than a week.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Something for Barno from two days ago. It's not "lying" it's "misleading".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/01/23/BL2008012301758.html

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

smells like we need an update Cindy... the blog is starting to go bad.

Posted by: Dorf | January 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

cult movie classic is big trouble in little china. kurt russell as jack burton.

"this is jack burton comin to you from the pork chop express and im talkin to anyone whos listening.....on this rainy night remember one thing, ol' jack burton only drives as fast as he can see, after that its all in the reflexes......people ask me, jack have you paid your dues, i tell em yeah i paid my dues, the checks in the mail!!!"

anyone else with me on this?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that the damage has already been done. There is nothing Snyder can do at this point to restore faith of the fans, players, and coaches, in this franchise. we are the laughing stock of the league. no one will want to coach here. we will be like oakland, who had to get a wide receivers coach from college to be the HC because no one else wanted the job. Washington's organization is just as rediculous as Oaklands.

What Joe Gibbs spent 4 years rebuilding, Daniel Snyder managed to destroy in less than a week.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 25, 2008 03:20 PM

Just win baby! That's all we need!

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I have no respect for Joe Gibbs either as he came back only for the money and his popularity!

Posted by: Davlatt | January 25, 2008 03:09 PM

This is known as projecting. It's what Davlatt would have done, so it must be what Joe Gibbs did.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

In honor of us closing in on 1000 comments, I'd just like to say one thing. No matter how this goes down, I'm proud of you fellas. You all kept your head on a swivel, and that's what you gotta do when you find yourself thrust in the middle of a vicious cock fight.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Who is Cindy?

Posted by: teden | January 25, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Catching up ...

"How can a guy with zippo inter-personal communication skills, with zippo media communication skills, with zippo public speaking communication skills, with zippo business communication skills make zillions in the communications industry? I don't know. I can't figure it out. Anybody know?"

Posted by: bestmick1 | January 25, 2008 12:41 PM

I'm thinking maybe he has a zippo lighter. You know, the lighter with a MySpace page. http://myspace.com/zippolighters

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Cockfighter, a GREAT cult classic 70's flick starring the lovable Warren Oates.

I am not even kidding...

http://imdb.com/title/tt0071338/

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

thousandth!!! much better than first

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

yep, new new england/boston fans are forgetting their history.

but i hope chicago cubs, bulls, bears never win anything ever again as long as one sports writer of wapo is still alive

speaking of which i really miss richard justice. he was damn good. listening to him on the radio with tk reminded me of the glory years. :(

another side note, did tk get funnier or am i just getting old?

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sween - Why didn't you like Fiennes' Voldemort?

I admit, he was not my first choice for the role (that would have been Jeremy Irons, but I guess he's getting a little long in the tooth for that sort of role), but I thought he brought an appropriate level of creepiness to the character, particularly in the most recent installment.

Posted by: jaradel | January 25, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I love the talk of people boycotting the team.......like that's realistic.
If you don't want to root for them.....go right ahead....real REDSKINS fans don't need you or your fairweather ilk.
I've been thru all the hard times with the 'skins......I've been thru 3-13....I've been thru 0-7 and Frerotte slamming his head into a wall......I've been through Norv and the failure of Shuler......and this year the darkest moment in skins history with the death of Taylor....
None of this coaching brouhaha even comes close to those cataclysmic periods....and Snyder wasn't even present for most of them. Change happens....
I find its the years that no one expects anything from our beloved Skins that they actually do something.....
So let the Boobirds boo....let the media make fun....and let the boycotters leave....
The real Redskins fans will be there while all the haters will be trying to jump on the bandwagon like the new gen of Red Sox and Patriots fans.....

Posted by: goosedude | January 25, 2008 03:13 PM
Bravo, Bravo goosedude. Couldn't agree more. Adios to the turncoats. See YA!!! Don't come back.

Posted by: mikejeffgillis | January 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

" ... You all kept your head on a swivel, and that's what you gotta do when you find yourself thrust in the middle of a vicious cock fight."

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 03:27 PM

Heads on a swivel ... blogging out the drivel.

[heh heh heh ... you said [thwap!] ... OW ... cut it out, Beavis, you butt munch]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

seriously... even no news is news... give us something here....

Please tell me that Russ Grimm is on Redskins 1 right now making the trip to the Snyder residence for his interview...

This whole thing is just soooo dam skethcy...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

seriously... even no news is news... give us something here....

Please tell me that Russ Grimm is on Redskins 1 right now making the trip to the Snyder residence for his interview...

This whole thing is just soooo dam skethcy...

Posted by: EinVB | January 25, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

You know, just realized that Fiennes plays Voldemort. Not sure why I didn't see that before. But I don't like him much in the role. In fact, the movies aren't particularly excellent when you take out the effects and whatnot.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

926

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Three favorite musical groups/artists:

1. Starflyer 59 (& anything else involving Jason Martin, e.g., Bon Voyage, The Brothers Martin, Neon Horse, etc.)

2. Lifesavers Underground (& anything else involving Mike Knott, e.g. Aunt Bettys, solo work, etc.)

3. The Pixies (& anything involving Frank Black/Black Francis/Charles Thompson)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

The Warriors - A great cult classic.

"Warriors come out and plaaaayyyyy"

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

best non violent bad guy... Hans Gruber in Die Hard, the original....."get me my detinators!"

Posted by: gregskins | January 25, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

teden, welcome... you must be awfully new!

Cindy is Jason's editor, and she posts up here as "TheCindy." Sometimes she'll throw up a new thread when there's news or we just need a new thread because the current thread is so long it takes for freakin' ever to reload... ahem.

Again, welcome.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

cL, I LOVE that movie ... and how can you NOT mention that its also a HDS flick!?!?

jaradel, maybe it was just the make up ... first, he was too small ... they should have used CGI to make him bigger (like a few feet), also, the nose didn't work ... should have made the camera out of focus on his shots ... mostly, he just looked too human, too much like an actor playing a character, rather than THE character ...

Favorite HDS flick remains Repo Man ("Hey kid, you want to make ten bucks? I need to get my car out of this BAD area.")

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | January 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The real Redskins fans will be there while all the haters will be trying to jump on the bandwagon like the new gen of Red Sox and Patriots fans.....

Posted by: goosedude | January 25, 2008 03:13 PM

Don't leave out Dallas fans. I live in Ohio and there's thousands everywhere and most of them have never even been to Texas nor could they find Dallas on a map. I'm pretty sure I saw some of them in Green Bay jerseys not too long ago.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Mack - another cult classic

...actually it's a blacksploitation flick. Do these count as cult classics or are they a genre all their own.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

snyder is in chicago interviewing ditka. for both the head coach and a part in tom cruises new movie kicking and screaming 2

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Where's Zebra?!?!? Flag on the play on freakzilla changing the subject. We are nowhere near exhausting movies ... cannot shift to bands yet, not till 250K minus 4K.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman, nfldraftcountdown.com said that the Skins scouts were eyeballing/jawboning Leodis McKelvin on Wednesday.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Who is Cindy?

Posted by: teden | January 25, 2008 03:27 PM

You don't know Cindy? Hey, fellas, get him! He don't know Cindy.

First of all, she's TheCindy, to you, ya mook.

Second, she gots the key. She can get you in, or she can make it so's you were never born, ya follow?

When she's here, you'll know, and when you know, that's when you'll know.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The good news? No more Troy Vincent Facts. The bad news? Next Week: Jeff Posey!

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

best heroic performance: samuel l. jackson, snakes on a plane.

"ENOUGH! IVE HAD IT WITH THESE MFin' SNAKES ON THIS MFin' PLANE! Everybody fasten your seatblets. I'm shootin' some Fkin' windows."

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I confess to this blog that I once was spotted proudly wearing a sweatshirt that said "I root for the Redskins and anyone playing Dallas". Those were happy, Super Bowl winning days.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

This year, the Senior Bowl is coached by Lane Kiffin and Mike Nolan, for the North and South teams, respectively.

Could these guys look more depressed?

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/press/12308.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Sween, peeps were talking bands up here just a week ago, I just couldn't make it to that party. I expect a make-up call in the second half.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Barno is part of the 1% who still support Bush/Cheney and believe that all the "bad" news that we're hearing about these days is part of the vast left wing conspiracy. Got it.

Moving along.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 02:47 PM

Please do not put words in my mouth, and please get your political phrases right. "vast left wing conspiracy"? Um, no. There is no such thing as a vast left wing conspiracy, since the Left is entirely disorganized and in shambles.

And the phrase is actually "vast RIGHT-wing conspiracy," which Hillary Clinton inexplicably claimed was responsible for the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Do you think that The Schneid has been converted scientology and that is why Joe left and the reason for our dismay. It has to be hard to find a scintologist for a coach. Maybe the same media sources that leaked this fassel garbage leaked that tom Cruise video.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

And the phrase is actually "vast RIGHT-wing conspiracy," which Hillary Clinton inexplicably claimed was responsible for the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Posted by: barno | January 25, 2008 03:47 PM

Thank you barno. I had no idea.

Seriously.

Really.

I mean, none.

Honest.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

i recently bought my friends baby a shirt that read

i may still crap my pants but even i know that dallas sucks

im starting to doubt the wisdom of indoctrinating the kid into a lifetime of the danny and his infinite bufoonery.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I had a fantastic lunch of wat and injera at this great Ethiopian place today.

posted by: not daveb55 / January 25, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone remember that old Fox show "Werewolf"?

It was about a good werewolf versus a bad werewolf.

Totally changed my outlook on werewolves.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Approaching 1,000 posts! Have we broken 1,000 posts before?

Any movement at all today by Redskins 1? Where is our Redskins 1 tracker?

Posted by: fgtdr | January 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

i feel like freakzilla may be a jack handy reincarnate.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

anyone remember the old fox show hermans head. completely changed my out look on heads

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Going back a few posts - we now have the multi-talented Richard Justice down here in Houston - and the local hamsters hate his usually accurate take on things...one of the good things about living in Houston!

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Best movie villain? Marathon Man ... I can descrive him in 3 words you never want to see together .... sadistic nazi dentist

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

recently bought my friends baby a shirt that read

i may still crap my pants but even i know that dallas sucks

im starting to doubt the wisdom of indoctrinating the kid into a lifetime of the danny and his infinite bufoonery.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 03:49 PM

matthewwmccarthy -

where did you get this shirt? I want 1 for my son.

Posted by: Big_Money20 | January 25, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

what about the fox show 'the tick'...by bro and I still say 'spoon' at anything cool

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

recently bought my friends baby a shirt that read

i may still crap my pants but even i know that dallas sucks

im starting to doubt the wisdom of indoctrinating the kid into a lifetime of the danny and his infinite bufoonery.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 03:49 PM

Do they sell this in adult size? Because I think I'm gonna be needing one after I hear who our next HC is.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Better Warewolf movie - Van Helsing or Underworld?

my vote underworld. Kate Beckinsale is smokin' hot

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla, in case you didn't realize, that was a compliment to the randomness and hilarity of the your comments posted up here.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

This one may only work for long-timers, but ...

Top Three Random Absurdities (from someone we haven't heard from in awhile):

3. Abiding manlove for Dallas Sartz
2. Bangkok Pizza Hut
1. The Invincible Priest Holmes

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

big money got it on ebay. it was like 20 bucks on buy it now which seems ridiculous for a shirt that is the size of a nintendo wii but whatever. you can also get it made at montgomery mall in bethesda

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

okay okay okay...i'm not fillin the whole chloe/lauren/family cold thing jason. sorry. it may be the off season but it's not for us not yet anyway. sorry.

just MOVE already!

also did someone say diddy started that fire up in monte carlo?

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Better Warewolf movie - Van Helsing or Underworld?

my vote underworld. Kate Beckinsale is smokin' hot

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 04:00 PM

Um. She's in both. And yes she is hawt.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me, TheCindy, BTW she was referenced as 'Cindy' a few posts earlier... Anyhow, why jump on my case? It's not like I said anything nice about Vinny or Danny...

Posted by: teden | January 25, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait, is Jack Handy dead?

Zilla are you channeling?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

adult sizes too but why would you want to broadcast as an adult that you still crap your pants?

i apologize and withdraw the previous question if your kid is that big that he needs an adult size

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

LMGO@nate!!! wooooooohoooo hoooo haaa haaa!
deputy, you just made another fan! :)
LOL...i'm just messin..

okay...does anyone know if diddy's okay?

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

sween

never understood why we never brought in Priest Holmes for a tryout at receiver

Posted by: fgtdr | January 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

968th!!!!!

Posted by: carocanesfan | January 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

she was in both? Man you're right. She's being typecast. That is twice in one day that I came up short. I'll try harder from here on out. It is 4pm on a friday, it's not like my brain is working anymore.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

btw, that cloverfield monster got some serious hops! for being a sled and all...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

adult sizes too but why would you want to broadcast as an adult that you still crap your pants?

i apologize and withdraw the previous question if your kid is that big that he needs an adult size

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 04:06 PM

No, I want it for myself for I'm sure that as soon as I hear the news about who the next coach is, I'm going to crap my pants. Consider the T-shirt my first aid kit.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

teden, disregard the case jumping ... its been tense times up here ... lots of reactionary posts, over-reactionary posts, counter-reactionary posts, equal-and-opposite reactionary posts ... peeps have been coaching-search-bashing their guts out up here ... I'm certain no one intended any offense or jumping on your case (at least not a demonstrated "intent to offend") ... and welcome to the Redskins Insider: come for the football, stay for the jibba jabba.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Priest Holmes can be our new head coach???

Posted by: mmok | January 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

What? Diddy is on fire in Las Vegas?

He said he'd buy the drinks if he hit the big one.

Make mine a Makers on ice, no, no, make it a absolute martini up with olives.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

New wire;

Al Davis just sent a letter of resignation to Lane Kiffen at the senior bowl "for lane to sign!".

OK it could be more F up.

Lane got good reviews is young and if he can get some control over personal could save us.

Naaaa.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Random Observation:

If you close your eyes, Kelly Tilghman and Jodie Foster have identical voices.

Hey, it's a post right?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

scheidt99

if fassel is named coach ill buy the tp and laundry soap for everyone

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Lane was coach for 1 freaking year!

And has experince working with dumb A $ $ owners.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

teden, just hazing you because you're new. Welcome to the shabingus. :)

psps23, I love Jack Handy. Twas taken as a compliment.

Stumped, gosh I hope he's not dead.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I miss my friend Jack. SJK

Posted by: not Periculum / January, 25, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Best car chase? C'mon!

Bullitt (1968) Steve McQueen baby!

Best chase - honorable mention...

The French Connection (1971)

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

what prize should be given out to the 1000th poster? Maybe the next HC job?

Posted by: andrewtimbie | January 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'll see your Makers and raise you a Blanton's

http://www.blantonsbourbon.com/DefaultFlash.aspx

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,
If you're JH reincarnate, well, you know....

Oh, wow, just wow!

Periculm was Jim Fassel.

It all makes sense now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I am watching Larry trying do defend Snyder on redskins radio (comcast). Even Wienstine is playing along.

I feel sorry for those two.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

j la's got some nice ties

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 25, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis ... just Al Davis.

Daniel Snyder is a younger version of Al Davis without the sweat suit and coaching experience.

Al can't be long for this world though ... he's gotta be near 80. Whereas, Daniel Snyder?

Al Davis is to Daniel Snyder as former Chief Justice Rehnquist was to Associate Justice Alito.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

On the way to work this morning, I passed a pickup truck bearing a logo reading "Pride Disposal," and I thought, "Man, they could make a killing in Ashburn right now."

Turns out it's just an awkwardly named garbage & debris disposal company.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Old school SNL,well old school for me, I think its cool that everyone has their generation of good SNL and then followed by years of bad.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Does Jason get paid for today?

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a Vodka Gimlet please.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

best chase...on foot was in casino royale's opening scene...

Posted by: dealer | January 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Great resume line item Mul:

Works well with dumb a$$ owners

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Im hearing clayton is saying zorn is accepting the OC position with the skins. Not sure how i feel about that.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis ... just Al Davis.

Daniel Snyder is a younger version of Al Davis without the sweat suit and coaching experience.

Al can't be long for this world though ... he's gotta be near 80. Whereas, Daniel Snyder?

Al Davis is to Daniel Snyder as former Chief Justice Rehnquist was to Associate Justice Alito.

Posted by: dcsween

I don't think dan is long for this world either.

But thanks for bringing me down.

"we have a plan"

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, SMACK,
Doesn't it make sense?

Periculm was Jim Fassel...it explains so much. It's like anepisode of The X-files that ties it all together in a tight little bow.

OMG!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

1000

Posted by: isnadd | January 25, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

So, do you suppose this whole coaching vacancy shabingus is raising or lowering The Danny's thetan levels?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Best Movie ad campaign of all time:

"I'm fat, can i have my plant?"

or

"Volvo, boxy but good."

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

lane kifin fired, thats just wrong....

F HC for a prize, i say HJ!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

1000??? where do i sent my resume??? :-)

Posted by: SeanMichael13 | January 25, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If hired, I wonder if my favorite trucking company, A. Dewey Pyle, would be the ones to move Fassel to town.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Nearing post 1,000, so be raising your game. And no typos. And Barno, keep it short ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

We're over. I just checked and it was 1006.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Not fired. "Asked to leave."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214665

well, as screwed up as our franchise is, at least we got the raiders to feel good about!

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Barno rulz
Punk rock drulz

Posted by: not cHriS LArRy / January 25, 2008

Posted by: notguy | January 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

lane kifin fired, thats just wrong....

F HC for a prize, i say HJ!

Posted by: chrislarry

Not exactly, but it looks like he is on his way out. I don't know what happens if Lane does not sign Al's letter.

We are not going to get a top HC without Vinny giving up some control, even they might know that.

Lane at this point would be a PR coup.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching Redskins Radio in front of the Big Screen outside the Verizon Center and Larry Michael was ripping JLaC saying that no coach would turn down a coaching opportunity if it was offered, especially if the The redskins offered Greggg Williams the position........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/rings

Is it me or is Doug Williams wearing a Tampa Bay uniform in the picture for Super Bowl XXII in 1987. I know he played for them but the story's about the Super Bowl.

Fun to read the 'Skins stuff though.

Posted by: fgtdr | January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Okay, cool, we hit 1,000.

Now screw you guys, I'm going home.

After I do two more hours of that other thing to which Nate was alluding earlier.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Literally, a bingus. Be honest, if at his next press conference, snyder pulled off his mask and he was kodos from the Simpsons, you wouldn't be that surprised.

The basic picture now is that no matter what the outcome of the 'coaching search', it will be a disaster. This is the greatest mishandling of a situation in the history of pro sport.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Better uniforms: white or burgondy?

I say burgondy.

(Note: I can't spell that word.)

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

1007

Cindy, what's the length of the longest comment thread? If I recall it was between 1,100 and 1,200 or thereabouts.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, you are the second guy to say that ... how can you WATCH a radio?

Also, ESPN said Kiffin said "no." What was Al Davis thinking?

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

good one not guy and to make it weird timing I was listening to early 80's Syracuse Punk band The Penetrators just as you posted that!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's go for the record!

I have another 30 minutes to kill.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, I asked her recently and she said there were several threads that exceeded 1K circa the Sean Taylor tragedy.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Kiffin needs to get fired and collect. Since I'm about respect, you get respect by screwing over Al Davis.

Of course, Danny is the student, Davis is the master.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

AMMTS, are saying that Kodos might still be available for the HC spot?

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Now who is Al Davis planning to replace Kiffin with? Gregg Williams or Jim Fassel?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, you are the second guy to say that ... how can you WATCH a radio?
Also, ESPN said Kiffin said "no." What was Al Davis thinking?
Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 04:29 PM

Dan Snyder made it happened. And it's in HD!

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

F Larry Michaels, seriously the guy is corporate shill. Dana Patrino in a blazer!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

we could hire kiffin. he's seems smart enough. and if al davis doesn't like him that means he's probably pretty good, right?

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

larry michaels in HD.....shudder!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

4th, ever since you said Verizon Center (which is what they call the MCI Center now, right?), I've been obsessing about the big bowl of Hong Kong style wonton soup at the Full Kee w/no noodles but extra wontons. Best. Meal. In DC's Chinatown.

Mmmmmmm ... HK-style wonton soooooooup.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

speaking of chinatown, i recently had a raspberry frambois at RFD. i never knew beer could taste like a berry soda.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

rasberry beer pie

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Great more rumors. ESPNs' John Clayton just said that Zorn is expected to take the OC position for the Redskins.

Posted by: dave197391 | January 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hail 1,000+ comments!
Hail white on white uniforms!

Posted by: david | January 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I say hire Williams and if he doesnt work out Snyder can always fire him next year and get Bill Cowher.

Posted by: Redskins001 | January 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

1034st

Posted by: Moose33 | January 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Danny is the student, Davis is the master.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 25, 2008 04:32 PM

There can be only one Sith Lord at a time, and Davis is old. Danny's time is drawing nigh.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Another rumor ... RI is reporting that John Clayton is a turtle that not only lacks a shell, but also a chin.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

...or 1034th depending on your grasp of the english language

Posted by: Moose33 | January 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Al Davis must've gotten jealous with all the attention the skins are getting for dysfunction and wanted to blow up his team too.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

So have we turned into the East Coast version of the Raiders?!?!

Posted by: david | January 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Is there any precedent for a HC-less team hiring a new OC or DC before hiring a new HC?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Is there any precedent for a HC-less team hiring a new OC or DC before hiring a new HC?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 04:51 PM

Dallas, last year.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Is there any precedent for a HC-less team hiring a new OC or DC before hiring a new HC?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 04:51 PM

Dallas just did last year. Hired Garret before Phillips.

Posted by: david | January 25, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

the cowboys did it last year. they hired garrett before phillips.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I ate at Tony changes today for lunch. That was the 1st and last time. When I was watching Redskin Radio, it was because I needed to get a milkshake to get the nasty taste out of my mouth. If that was authentic American Chinese food from the 1 block Chinatown, than they have nothing to offer.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

That should say Tony Changs

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

thank god for al davis...if it wasn't for him we would be the worst run organization in the nfl.

Thanks Al

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

4th, next time, walk another block further east on H Street. The Full Kee is a dumpy hole in the wall on the north side of the street. Notwithstanding the appearance, you will NOT be unhappy with the food ... I recommend the HK style wonton soup with wontons. Also, the egg rolls come with a SUPER hot mustard (as well as duck sauce, though I don't think actual ducks are involved), so if you have a cold, start with that.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to Redskins Radio around lunch time today, when Larry Michael was busy ripping into the WaPo and the press for doing their jobs and reporting. What a douche! My absolute favorite thing that he said was something like:

"You know I'm here in the building constantly, and we didn't know Gibbs was going to quit. I got to say I think that Fossil was a good choice and am shocked at the reaction of our fans. I think Dan and Vinny did a great job and you know I'm a neutral person here. I'm not part of the PR machine here. I'm just telling you what I think and that's that they are doing a great job."

Honestly, I know we can't expect much from Larry Michael, but I mean please, how can that guy with a straight face say that he isn't part of the PR machine for the guy who pays his salary and who's building he just finished saying he was at constantly.

I wish there was a way to shut up Larry Michael, he's just awful.

Posted by: rawk | January 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Stick with PF Changs. I never thought much of Tony Changs when I lived in DC.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Can someone hit the Oakland blog, get someone over here to give us some advice on what to do, how to deal with no hope.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the PR shop just figured out the "message" today ... the victim thing (which chRIs larry might refer as the "victim meme") ... and they are getting around to getting the word out.

So GET WITH THE PROGRAM ... you, you FANS ... the Skins FO is being PERSECUTED by Big Media!

[Next week's theme/meme: "At least we're not Al Davis"]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone hit the Oakland blog, get someone over here to give us some advice on what to do, how to deal with no hope."

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 05:07 PM

Dude, I am NOT going to start dressing up and putting on stage make up to go to a football game.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | January 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ESPN has an article up saying ZORN IS hired as the OC in Washington.

Posted by: dave197391 | January 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dave197391 | January 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the PR shop just figured out the "message" today ... the victim thing (which chRIs larry might refer as the "victim meme") ... and they are getting around to getting the word out.

So GET WITH THE PROGRAM ... you, you FANS ... the Skins FO is being PERSECUTED by Big Media!

[Next week's theme/meme: "At least we're not Al Davis"]

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 05:09 PM

Ha ha dcsween, I think you got it.

I mean after all, think as poor poor obscenely wealthy Dannyboy would, if only people realized how hard it is to ignore widely spread conventional wisdom and do whatever it is you want? I mean haven't all of us thought about how hard it must be for boy billionaire to have all that money and to own the Redskins? I mean what a chore, poor poor Danny.

Posted by: rawk | January 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

i've heard of utopia, which they mention, but that beer's another level. i wonder what the alc content of that beer is? gotta be close to 20% or so..

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Where is PF Changs in Chinatown?

Who's the HC?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh god, according to that ESPN article, they did indeed hire Zorn as OC...

I think the important line to remember in the article is the very last one (which is probably why Danny hired Zorn)...

"The Seahawks were 2-0 in playoff games against the Redskins with Zorn coaching quarterbacks."

So obviously that means that we must hire him.

Posted by: rawk | January 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone hit the Oakland blog, get someone over here to give us some advice on what to do, how to deal with no hope."

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 05:07 PM

Dude, I am NOT going to start dressing up and putting on stage make up to go to a football game.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 05:11 PM

It will be better then watching the games after next year. Or maybe this coming year.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Finaly some good news!! ZORN in SAUNDERS OUT!!

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Is there any precedent for a HC-less team hiring a new OC or DC before hiring a new HC?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 04:51 PM

Dallas, last year.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 25, 2008 04:55 PM


Ah. Well, that explains Danny hiring Zorn as OC without a HC, if it's true.

Danny once again singing "Anything you can do, I can do better" to Jerrah.

I think I might have it figured out: Danny is Francis from Pee-Wee's Big Adventure.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

and it begins...

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Finaly some good news!! ZORN in SAUNDERS OUT!!

Posted by: greg_hughes90

Yes sauders was so horrible. WTF.

O wait you work for the building don't you.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's a shame for poor Al. Hopefully, Mr. Zorn has a bag of tricks that isn't too much for our guys.

This does NOT (necessarily) mean that GWilliams is not the HC (and/or that anybody else is), much less that Grilliams is no longer the DC.

As far as I can tell, the only significant change is that NOW we have a need at QB (or that Brunell has more lives than my cat).

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

greg_hughes90

Tool do you think we have not notices a spike in MF crazy post after 5 when you guys get done with what every you do at redskins park.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Finaly some good news!! ZORN in SAUNDERS OUT!!

Posted by: greg_hughes90

Yes sauders was so horrible. WTF.

O wait you work for the building don't you.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 05:24 PM

He's probably Larry Michael's intern.

Posted by: rawk | January 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

My absolute favorite thing that he said was something like:

"You know I'm here in the building constantly, and we didn't know Gibbs was going to quit. I got to say I think that Fossil was a good choice and am shocked at the reaction of our fans. I think Dan and Vinny did a great job and you know I'm a neutral person here. I'm not part of the PR machine here. I'm just telling you what I think and that's that they are doing a great job."

Posted by: rawk | January 25, 2008 05:03 PM

That is so sad and absurd that it's funny. Not part of the PR machine? Larry, you're the freaking host of Redskins.com TV, and the "voice of the Washington Redskins" on the radio!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

No new post on this means that the Danny has probably kidnapped JLaC and will not let him loose until this shabingus is over - Cindy is MIA because she's gone undercover to rescue Jason

Posted by: johndinhouston | January 25, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I forgot how prolific the Redskins offense has been over the past 3 years.. I keep forgetting about the 5 false starts every game with too much motion. Wasted time outs because no one understood the plays Yeah, Al was great..

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

dallas did it last year. In case you hadn't heard.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

1073?

Posted by: jaradel | January 25, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, how about Wade Phillips as head coach? Has anyone hired him lately?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I have no negative feelings toward Jim Zorn. In fact, now I am pro-Jim Zorn. I do feel bad for Saunders though. I liked Saunders ... I was pro-Saunders ... though I sensed there was some tension between him and Portis. Of the three, I am MOST pro-Portis.

Also, I think Saunders' son might have been an assistant coach (Bob Saunders?). Seems like he might be out of work too ... I'm guessing that, in the divorce, Saunders gets his son and The Todd.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I forgot how prolific the Redskins offense has been over the past 3 years.. I keep forgetting about the 5 false starts every game with too much motion. Wasted time outs because no one understood the plays Yeah, Al was great..

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 25, 2008 05:30 PM

2 years he has been OC for 2 years.

1st year JC learning and Mark. Good run game.

2nd year not too many penalties. No O line much of the year. JC making progress.

Sanders has a proven track recored and players like CP work well in the system.

I am not saying Sanders was the answer but with Collens playing we looked good on offense untill the O line gave out.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

i kinda feel bad for Al. i think he got a bad deal here (other than the $, which is always nice). he was hamstrung by gibbs even when gibbs turned over playcalling duties. i truly believe with a healthy line and another year for jason, this would've been a top 5-10 offense next year. oh well.

here's to zorn making JC a pro-bowler.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

New post in 10, 9, 8....

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

seems this rulz out that Pat's OC kid as HC right?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

With a QB coach as OC, from a team like the Seahawks, something tells me the roster is not going to carry more than three running backs, including the fullback.

Also, I was sensing that Al Saunders (maybe it was Gibbs) was trending toward adding a second TE more routinely ... second TE as a receiving TE who actually got the ball thrown to him. If that was right, then maybe that changes too.

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Way to be on top of this one...

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

JLA is getting ready to "break" some news that Zorn is the new OC

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

So we are now doing as Jerry Jones does? Hire our OC first?

So what are we Cowboys Jr. or Starbucks Jr.

ESPN reports this about Zorn before the Post or Redskins Website?

Can someone take that ugly huge picture of Fassel's big head off of the Redskins splash page, that stinks.

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Zorn as long as he doesn't come with Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

it is painfully obvious that JLC has no insider sources.

what a joke this franchise and blog are.

Posted by: john.comstock | January 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 25, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we either keep GG or hire Spag from the G-MEN now for HC

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I have no negative feelings toward Jim Zorn. In fact, now I am pro-Jim Zorn. I do feel bad for Saunders though. I liked Saunders ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 25, 2008 05:33 PM

Al Saunders, meet Al Davis.

Lane Kiffin, welcome to D.C.

[urp]

Posted by: johncnichols | January 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

amen JM220....and put that pork sandwhich down already!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

That's not Fassel, thats Robin Williams.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

maybe JLC's feeling a little sensitive from being ripped the last 24 hours.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Kiss this thread goodbye.

No really.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, if Zorn is really in, at least he would run a West Coast offense.

We all talked about JC having Stability, but it was almost set in stone anyway that Saunders was gone.

Zorn does have ties to Grilliams apparently, correct? Heres to hoping for olny half of a team upheaval.

But I guess at this point it doesnt matter, Danny wants full control again and whoever he hires will give it to him,.

So either way we are screwed.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 25, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

This confirms the new order. Dan and Vinny f*cking things up. That is great news.

It really does not matter who they get now.

Jerry Jones got lucky with the trade with the Vikings and could have won 5 supper bowls but let his ego get in the way. He got Barry to be the coach won a Superbowl on legacy and that was the end.

We had good OC and DC but not the same talent. The darkness has fallen.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

John Clayton on ESPN reporting it. If the professor says it, then it is true.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Williams HC
Zorn OC
Olivetti DC

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

It good to see you still got jokes CL

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I liked Al myself and thought another year would do it. Not sold on Zorro's west coast thing yet but Jason looked pretty good in a no-huddle style this year when he was selecting his own plays...maybe a better fit in the long run.

Posted by: johncnichols | January 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Well thats cool then, I'd rather have Robin Williams coaching the team than Jimbo Fossel

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

can we please put an end to the chris larry overuses the word "meme" meme?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Riggins going to be on XXX much longer. He just called for Dan to sell the team. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | January 25, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

pat5387,
Imagine the pressers.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I've got no qualms with Zorn, but feel sorry for Al, since I don't think he got a fair shake. That engine had a governor on it the whole time, albeit a beloved governor, until JC went down.

Jim Zorn is actually one of the first non-Redskins players with whom I became familiar, because his picture was in the NFL kids activity book that I had as a young'un circa 1984.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Runaway Redskins team, we are going to get our butts kicked again for another decade unless he hires Williams (Gregg, not Robin)

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I give up. Do any of you have 1.5 billion.

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with Zorn, just the process. Now they need to find a HC who would want Zorn as OC - unless they've already got that guy (Fassel?) in mind, this is just bass ackwards.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

i think i have zorn's rookie card. i gotta frame that baby.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

There's only one word that comes to mind when looking at all of this. Can you say clusterfu**?

Who hires the offensive coordinator before the coach? It might make sense if Snyder was trying to be a pioneer that the rest of the league may choose to emulate, but it's insensible. Zorn doesn't even know who his own boss is! And he's supposed to have Seahawk blue running through his veins. Yup, money certainly has a way of talking. Does anyone else think any other motive is in play? Clusterfu** indeed.

Posted by: hailbg | January 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

jm220 i got mad jokes my man!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

1.5 Billion? that nuthin, we could just get George to put the war in Iraq on hold for a day or two and we would be good to go - America's Team

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

As I've posted before, this is just another example of Snyder turning the Redskins into the hated Cowboys.

Jones hires a college coach and wins,
Snyder hires Spurrier

Jones hires old man Parcells,
Snyder hires Gibbs

Jones hires a fomer NFL QB as OC before hiring a head coach,
Snyder hires Zorn before hiring a HC

Jones builds a huge new stadium,
Snyder begins new stadium talks with DC


THIS is why some of us can no longer be Redskins fans. Because of Snyder, the Redskin's VALUES have changed... 180 degrees to the lowly values of the despicable Cowboys.
BOYCOTT!

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 25, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Ok predictions the next 3 years.

6-10
4-12
3-13
Vinny gets the boot.
5-11
Vinny comes back

Posted by: mul | January 25, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hail to the Danny, Hail Vinny C, they've got our money, give some of it to me!

Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

"Yup, money certainly has a way of talking. Does anyone else think any other motive is in play? Clusterfu** indeed."

yea that and a promotion into a situation with a talented offense. i have no problems with zorn. and as bad as snyder's looked the past couple days, i don't think he's dumb enough to hire his o-coordinator without talking to his potential head coach(es) first. i think both fassel and williams were well aware of this possibility and gave the ok.

i do think this effectively removes any josh mcdaniels speculation out there. i think fassel's probably the only offensive candidate from here on out.

Posted by: psps23 | January 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Jasno wrote above that "Rex Ryan and Jim Zorn look like they are staying with their current teams."

How do you feel about that?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: johnmarktaylor | January 25, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

JLC is slow on this one. Guess Fassel may be getting the nod soon after all.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3214785

Posted by: cdubb | January 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

tweet tweet

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

*beep beep*

But not before we got to 1117 posts (at least). Way to lay the wood, hamsters.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 25, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

That DC for the giants is just as likely to break bad on Vin-Dan as GW would, so this likely means the Fassel Hassle again.

Franken-Danny and Egor at it again, what money sucking monstrosity will they build this time?


Posted by: pat5387 | January 25, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

If we are going to be stupid, let's just re-hire Steve Spurrier since that worked out so well the first time around!! Welcome back ball coach!

Posted by: cmabell62 | January 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

1100+... hmm, not bad. I seen better. But not bad.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 25, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I would like to invite 50,000 of you to a Rally at Redskins Park this Sunday at 2PM.
The Theme "Impeach the Owner"

Posted by: halogen4 | January 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is the type of guy who would give Spurrier another year but fire Schottenhiemer.

I'm done with this "team".

Posted by: Everwill | January 26, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

I was on the season ticket waiting list for 10 years and finally got them last summer. I paid two grand for them and enjoyed the remarkable season.

I will not be renewing them, even though my plan all along was to finally get them and remain a ticket holder for life. I am 29 today.

Not because Gregg wasn't hired, although I was rooting for him, and I believe he learned a lot from Gibbs and will be a great coach. I don't factor his Buffalo stint, because, well, it's Buffalo...they've been a mess as much as the Redskins. No coach has succeeded there since the mid 90's. I am just appalled at the way Snyder and Vinny have handled this. FUBAR says it all. Those two chumps haven't changed since 1999. Disturbing.

On a side note I need to mention something about Gregg as a person. In 2005 my family went to dinner in a restaraunt in Leesburg. There was nowhere to sit, it was packed. A man was sitting at a table by himself and saw my older parents standing. The gentleman rose from his table and offered it to us and then quietly walked over and stood at the bar. The man had his hat pulled down low. We said thank for the kind gesture and realized it was Gregg Williams. What a nice and random thing to do. There were other people there that could have done it but it was Gregg Williams, the millionaire coach, that did. Without us even asking. Just a REALLY SMALL example of the type of person he is. DO NOT LET THE REDSKINS SMEAR THIS MANS CHARACTER.

Snyder, Vinny. When are you going to LEARN?
Do us all a favor, and WITHDRAW YOUR NAME FROM THE INTERVIEW PROCESS. It should not have been Williams that withdrew. Snyder and Vinny blew up the Redskins.

Done.

Posted by: the_squire | January 26, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Redskins management is a joke.

As a lifelong Redskins fan (up to this point), while I am impressed by Mr. Snyder's love for the team, I am disgusted by his approach. It will NOT produce winning teams. He will see the franchise value fall short of its potential because of his approach. His prior "success" in business (one major instance) is irrelevant here.

Frankly, I will probably be moving my loyalties to another franchise -- a professionally run franchise.

Goodbye and good luck, Dan -- you'll need it.

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