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Posted at 11:50 AM ET, 02/14/2011

Coin toss: Should the Redskins go after Plaxico?

By Washington Post Sports

There's been a fair amount of discussion on the blog lately about the Redskins' options at wide receiver. Some of it has been over whether the team should re-sign Santana Moss. But there are other receivers available as well.

Take Plaxico Burress, for example. Here's what Samson 151 had to say in a comment about that:

Strikes me that Plax is the sort of risk that somebody like Shanahan might just take. The contract would probably be favorable and there'd be an out clause if needed. Shanahan has actually had a pretty good record with difficult personalities (Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, assorted defenders) when he isn't hamstrung by contract issues (Albert). Even two years out of the game, that's one of the most reliable big receivers around. I imagine McNabb would welcome him, if McNabb is still here.

This is such a good topic that there's a poll up about it over on The Early Lead.

What do you think?

By Washington Post Sports  | February 14, 2011; 11:50 AM ET
Tags:  Redskins Plaxico Burress, Redskins free agent receivers, Redskins receivers, Redskins wide receiver, Washington Redskins  
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Comments

It wouldn't hurt to bring him into camp. He's got a lot to prove and probably won't be much of a disruption. Guys like Plax are a win/win situation.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 14, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

After our experience with His Fatness? This doesn't even deserve a coin toss. Ans: No f'ing way.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Holy smokes...a real Coin Toss question!

I flipped Heads...which is Yes.

I'm not going to The Early Lead.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Strikes me that Plax is the sort of risk that somebody like Shanahan might just take."

"Shanahan has actually had a pretty good record with difficult personalities (Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, assorted defenders"

Sammy: Wrong on both counts. Shanahan had no idea Cutler & Marshal would turn out to be head cases when he drafted them. Coming to Washington he knew of Fatty's dark side and it was a season-long encumbrance that he still has not been unable to shake. Definitely don't need another one.

Their building plan now will take more time but is one we've been missing since DS's take over. Let's don't topple the cart with another pouting POS.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Plaxigun?

Sure, why not?

In the immortal words of Kenny Mayne....

"He's tall."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

A. Does he still want to play football or would he play just cause he needs the money?
B. Has anyone at all checked up on his conditioning?
B2. Did that gunshot to his leg f up his leaping ability?

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

They do need a tall receiver but not Plax obviously
the guys not real brainy. I would like them to
take a look at MFloyd. Then resign Moss and we
wouldn't have to spend a pick at receiver.
Use our picks on DE,NT,OLB and OL

Posted by: BleedBurgandGold | February 14, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Just say "NO" to Plaxico. Can't ditch Moss in the name of a youth movement and then pick up a guy at least 4 years his senior. Can't have it both ways.

Repost for my fellow jazz enthusiast Moe:

Haha Moe...she won't make you "stop listening" to them per se, but she'd be a nice addition to the rotation.

I'm more into contemporary jazz than some of the classical jazz legends you mentioned, but I think you'll find that Spalding sits somewhere in the middle of the two.

This was the first time I heard her...let me know what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9DwUUGCiPE

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 14, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

supposedly he's been lifting and running 5 days a week in jail and hungry to get back on the field.

I say bring him in and see what he has, he CANT be any worse than a number 3 receiver on our team, and he would fit the mold of tall physical receiver we have sorely lacked. Don't know about ya'll but I'd much rather have Plax out there than Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: Neverender84 | February 14, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Sure as a short time fix. They don't have enough draft picks to address all their needs.

Posted by: skinswest | February 14, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why not. We have Albert beating up citizens on the parkway, Banks getting in a knife fight. Why not bring Burress into town for a gunfight and round things out. Hey he can hang out with the Bullets, oops I mean the Wizards and have a bang up time!

Posted by: agrimech | February 14, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd offer him a lowball incentive laden 2 year deal and watch him walk away as some team in contention or on the brink of contending over bids for his services.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss: Should the Redskins go after Plaxico?

Yes on Plax.

Yes on Rogers.

Yes this contradicts the idea of getting younger, faster.

Yes on a FA guard and center (provided they are both under 27).

Yes on Ponder in round 2.

Any more questions?

'cuz I'll answer 'Yes' to them, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Plaxino thank you.

Sign two of Floyd, Naanee, James Jones, or Jacoby Jones along with keeping Moss if possible.

With Armstrong, Moss, two of the above, and either MK12 or T. Austin we're just fine at receiver. Younger guys except Moss, no giant contracts, and no need to waste draft picks at a position we've never ever been able to draft.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 14, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

why not!! low risk high reward. Give the vet min. and see what he can do.

He has to prove himself and the NFL that he can still play

Posted by: Bigmon411 | February 14, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It never hurts to bring someone in to give them a look, but even if we do sign him, there's no reason to ditch Moss. Have to wait and see what happens with Kelly, too. Moss, Kelly, Plax, Armstrong...... could be what Rex and our rookie QB need to throw too, cuz (hopefully) McNabb is gone!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | February 14, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

They have nothing to lose by bringing him in for a look. As we've seen with Vick, sending a rich man to prison can do wonders for his perspective.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 14, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Wrong on both counts. Shanahan had no idea Cutler & Marshal would turn out to be head cases when he drafted them."

Head case isn't the term I would choose, but there was in fact some evidence that both would require handling. Marshall was something of an underachiever for much of his career at Central Florida -- not even first team All-Conference. Even at Vanderbilt, Cutler was known as a 'big' personality -- euphemism for showboat -- and scouts were pretty well divided on where among the top 3 QBs to draft him (he went after Vince Young and Leinart).

You recall that both were pretty upset when Shanahan left.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"'Strikes me that Plax is the sort of risk that somebody like Shanahan might just take.

Shanahan has actually had a pretty good record with difficult personalities (Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, assorted defenders'

Sammy: Wrong on both counts. Shanahan had no idea Cutler & Marshal would turn out to be head cases when he drafted them. Coming to Washington he knew of Fatty's dark side and it was a season-long encumbrance that he still has not been unable to shake. Definitely don't need another one."

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 12:27 PM

Whether or not Shanny could have forseen that Cutler and Marshall would become problem children, the fact is that both of those guys produced like crazy for him, and Cutler's issues didn't seem to surface until after Shanahan's departure. If Plax would agree to an incentive-laden contract with no, or a limited amount of, guaranteed money, I say sign him. If he becomes a distraction, you cut him. Where's the downside?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 14, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Also seems to me that a receiver like Plax could make a big difference to McNabb, because he makes the off-target catch. I always suspected that's why Eli experienced a fall-off without him -- he wasn't used to having to put the ball on the money.

Depends on how much Burress has lost during his enforced absence, of course. Something we have no way of knowing at this point.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

As if the Redskins don't have enuf lazy overpaid dumbazzes?

Hell, AH92 fills the quota for the entire division, all by his narcisstic bloated azzed self.

Don't need no Plax -- nor any of his loafing, lawyers, guns or money either.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm generally in favor of low-risk, high-potential-reward contracts as a short-term solution to fill holes in the roster. Just don't think anybody should mistake them for permanent fixes.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

First off, letting Moss go is dumb, which means instead of NT being our main need it now becomes WR. Then we would have to draft Jones at #10, and there is no guarentee that he'll be ready to be our #1 receiver cause it's the 2nd hardest position to play as a rookie in the NFL, and it's looking more and more like Vincent Jackson and the rest of the #1 receivers in FA will be franchised! Not signing Moss will cause a chain reaction that will set us back further.

Secondly, there might not be a decent NT to take at #10, and with very few options it would be smart to sign Rogers and pick up a NT in the 5th round or later. Rogers can't play a full season, but he is a 3-time pro bowler, so he could split time with the rookie, who probably won't be ready to start anyway, and mentor him for a year. Don't look at it as another 'Snyder signing' of a 30-something year old player. You could sign him for cheap, maybe with incentives, and have good depth at NT with 2 players rotating the position.

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

No need we have MK12.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I'll take your word for it. But, even so, the upside to Plax doesn't come close to negating the the baggage he brings. . We spent all last season agonizing over fat ass, do we really want to repeat that? TO/Ocho/R.Moss/Plax - none worth the trouble.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"They do need a tall receiver but not Plax obviously the guys not real brainy. I would like them to take a look at MFloyd. Then resign Moss and we
wouldn't have to spend a pick at receiver. Use our picks on DE,NT,OLB and OL"

Posted by: BleedBurgandGold | February 14, 2011 12:36 PM

If being "real brainy" in the traditional sense was a requirement for football, there would be a lot of players, not to mention more than a few posters, who would be disqualified from participation.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | February 14, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The clogged toliet bowl called the Washington Redskins. Plax is a floater. .

Posted by: tomass169 | February 14, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't need no Plax -- nor any of his loafing, lawyers, guns or money either.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 1:11 PM |

Nice Warren Zevon pull.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll rather gamble on Malcolm Kelly than Plax.

Posted by: abxinc | February 14, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

As if the Redskins don't have enuf lazy overpaid dumbazzes?


Redemption: signing Plax makes sense as anyone barred from playing in the NFL this past year has had the Curious Case of Mike Vick to probe.

You think Plax is unaware that Vick has parleyed his story of redemption into popularity and possible Franchise Tagging?

Plax has had more than enough time away from the NFL, its attention and money to know if he had a second chance, he'd make the most of it.

Plax wants a payday and the redskins need a big framed receiver running downfield.

It'll be a marriage of convenience--Skins n Plax.

S

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Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What was the question again?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:21 PM |

The above referenced dooshbag clearly never got any attention from mommy or daddy. Such actions are akin to stomping feet or flipping a bowl of cereal onto the floor to garner any level of attention.

What a loser.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Just say "NO" to Plaxico. Can't ditch Moss in the name of a youth movement and then pick up a guy at least 4 years his senior. Can't have it both ways.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 14, 2011 12:38 PM

Re-sign Moss. If I was the first poster on this thread, I'd say Re-sign Moss FIRST. But I think the first order of bizniz really is to re-sign Moss.

On free agency, should be a strict diet of three free agent signings. Actually, I think its fortunate that everything is bass-ackwards btwn the first round of free agency and the draft this year.

Free agency should be about receivers or, at least, a receiver. Skins need Malcolm Kelly insurance. Even if Kelly is fine, then it would be good to have another big fella. My first choice would be the other Malcolm (Floyd), but Plaxico would be a fine serving of sloppy seconds if Floyd is unavailable. No to other divas (Braylon Edwards, Vince Jackson, T.O., and that lot). Actually, I put Ochojackson in a maybe box ... b/c I really don't think he's a diva (but my maybe is over how long he can continue to perform ... feels like Burress just got two years younger than Ochojackson by comparison).

Needs (no order): NT, outside pressure oppposite Orakpo (either OLB or DE), RB, OG/C, FS. [Mostly this means that Carlos Rogers also is a high priority to re-sign.]

Draft early: the DL and/or OLB and/or RB.

Free agency: everything else (but only three)

The presumably tagged and therefore unavailable UFA targets I used to covet -- LaMarr Woodley and Haloti Ngata -- mean the draft (probably) for those spots.

Sloppy second free agents: after Woodley, D'Qwell Jackson (but maybe the Browns don't let him go either) or maybe Tamba Hali (tho should be the Cheeves strategery to get him first).

If we can't re-sign Rogers at CB, then Chris Carr, Baltimore.

But only three free agents, at least the top shelf ones.

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

It would take one week when Plax ankles are sore and he doesn't want to practice before he is in the coaches doghouse. Does anyone remember how many practices he has missed in the last two years that he played? And someone actually thinks Shanahan is going to put up with that?

Horrible fit and horrible thread.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | February 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Nope, nothing personal Plaxico, but nope. 1.Plaxico would be running the same routes as Anthony Armstrong, deeper, longer routes because although he's tall, he's a long strider, making it difficult to break down on shorter routes.
2.Shanahan has shown NO ability to handle difficult personalities-he still doesn't know how to handle the AH and DM situations. Don't forget Devin Thomas either.
3.It would scream business as usual at Skins' Park, running out and signing a player just because he's available and not necessarily because he's needed. I also hope we don't sign Shaun Rogers, who was released from the Browns not because he couldn't play, but because he was a headache.

I just don't think Shanahan wishes to have an old WR that's coming out of jail (albeit, for some nonsense-all the mobsters and assorted knuckleheads in NY and this guy gets a two-year bid for an illegal gun and shooting HIMSELF-it's an over the top punishment).

Plaxico will be on his best behaviour...until he gets here and like Coles, Lloyd, Haynesworth and McNabb before him among others, gets a good whiff of the dysfuntion with the Redskins and sours on the team like I believe they have.

If we are still talking about receivers it's still fair to ask why cut Devin Thomas so ruthlessly? He barely received a chance w/the Shanahans-now we're looking at more receivers...great.

I'm starting to wonder if Thomas wasn't badmouthed by Shanahan the Younger and then cut. Perhaps McNabb & Thomas had each other's backs against Kyle and they cut Thomas to break that party up. It seems odd to keep talking about receivers while not giving a young, promising one already on the team a full and fair chance. Forget the junk about how he did in practice-put him in the game and see & not just on kick-off returns and end-arounds.

I sure would have like to see Devin Thomas running some of those deep routes that Armstrong made his name on, it wouldn't have hurt a thing to try w/ Thomas.

If I'm Plaxico, I try to move on to my next gig, local or hometown sports TV talking head. I do as many interviews as possible to show I'm bright,personable and articulate.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Redemption:

Dude sought and received redemption during his time in Pittsburgh following multiple infractions of team rules and other civil and legal issues -- including domestic violence charges

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Prob wont get much out of a 5th round nose tackle. It would be a long shot for him to contribute anything at any point.
And if people didnt like Ahays conditioning then wait till they set their eyes on Shaun Rogers. He might never pass Shannys rigorous conditioning test.
he might be the only dude in the league that Ah could call fat @ss.

Bottom line unless we get really lucky somehow, FA, draft, unknown player to be named later, were not going to run an effective 3-4...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Redemption:

Dude sought and received redemption during his time in Pittsburgh following multiple infractions of team rules and other civil and legal issues -- including domestic violence charges, car theft, numerous traffic violations

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The clogged toliet bowl called the Washington Redskins. Plax is a floater. .

Posted by: tomass169 | February 14, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

That would make Snyder the original turd that clogged up the works. Pump him out and we start flushing correctly.

Anyone feel like they need to take a crap now???

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm generally in favor of low-risk, high-potential-reward contracts as a short-term solution to fill holes in the roster. Just don't think anybody should mistake them for permanent fixes.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 1:11 PM

I favor high-risk, low-reward situations, but that's b/c I'm an Ophiuchus.

http://www.examiner.com/humanist-in-national/new-zodiac-sign-ophiuchus-astronomer-parke-kunkle-throws-astrology-for-a-loop

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If we take a NT it won't be at #10. We'd still get one of the top rated NTs if we took one in the second round. I'd take either an OLB or a DE at that pick though. This is barring any unforssen scenario in which an A.J. Green or someone falls to us at #10.

We should send AH92, Andre Carter, and any other 4-3 players we need to get rid of to Detroit for a 3rd rounder and a ham sandwich. We could take a NT like Jerrel Powe with that pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Armchair

I'm starting to wonder if Thomas wasn't badmouthed by Shanahan the Younger and then cut.


I too wonder if dad's effection for Kyle's 'scheme' is abit too much.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The clogged toliet bowl called the Washington Redskins. Plax is a floater. .

Posted by: tomass169 | February 14, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

That would make Snyder the original turd that clogged up the works. Pump him out and we start flushing correctly.

Anyone feel like they need to take a crap now???

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:30 PM

Its certainly this kind of chatter that gets McPoop posting ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The above referenced dooshbag clearly never got any attention from mommy or daddy. Such actions are akin to stomping feet or flipping a bowl of cereal onto the floor to garner any level of attention.

What a loser.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:24 PM
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Shut up you big doody-head.

You're mamma is so fat that when she puts her red dress on and goes out in public everyone goes "Hey look it's the Kool-Aid Man"

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm a sagittarius now? Wtf?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

We should send AH92, Andre Carter, and any other 4-3 players we need to get rid of to Detroit for a 3rd rounder and a ham sandwich. We could take a NT like Jerrel Powe with that pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 1:31 PM

Andre Carter's contract says his contract voids if he gets traded, i.e., he becomes a free agent and can't be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Redemption:

Dude sought and received redemption during his time in Pittsburgh following multiple infractions of team rules and other civil and legal issues -- including domestic violence charges, car theft, numerous traffic violations, other personal misconduct and conduct detrimental to the team.

Went to New York -- sought and received redemption for all sorts of other personal and professional issues -- including the much publicized self inficted gunshot wound, contract disputes, additional traffic offenses and other conduct detrimental to the team and league. And amid all of this, he sign another fairly lucrative deal with the Giants.

Won't argue that he once had a tremendous amount of raw talent.

He might even offer a worthwhile case study on the subject of wasted talent.

But with everything else going on already in the Redskins locker room, do we really need to deal with another headcase?

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

That was a good one Mr. Poop.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter's contract says his contract voids if he gets traded, i.e., he becomes a free agent and can't be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM

And he's not going to renegotiate the contract to allow the 'Skins to trade him because the contract is for big $ and no one wants to pay him that. He will be cut.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 14, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Shut up you big doody-head.

You're mamma is so fat that when she puts her red dress on and goes out in public everyone goes "Hey look it's the Kool-Aid Man"

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:34 PM |

Your mom's pussy is so dry...her crabs gotta carry canteens.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Prob wont get much out of a 5th round nose tackle. It would be a long shot for him to contribute anything at any point.
And if people didnt like Ahays conditioning then wait till they set their eyes on Shaun Rogers. He might never pass Shannys rigorous conditioning test.
he might be the only dude in the league that Ah could call fat @ss.

Bottom line unless we get really lucky somehow, FA, draft, unknown player to be named later, were not going to run an effective 3-4...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

But picking up Rogers and a later round NT would mean we wouldn't have to reach for a NT in the 1st round of the draft. He could take some time to develop and be ready in a year, look at Cook, he should be ready this next year to push for playing time at G or C.

The highest rated NT that I've seen is the dude from Baylor, he'll probably get picked in the late 20s of the first round. That would be sh*tty value if we grabbed him at #10. Best case scenerio is if we trade down to like #23 or #24 and then grab him, otherwise we should grab a passrushing OLB while we are there at #10 if we can't trade down.

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter's contract says his contract voids if he gets traded, i.e., he becomes a free agent and can't be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that. I just thought he had a trade refusal clause.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Re; Devin Thomas. Yeah, I'd like to give him another chance, but don't you think it's odd he was never thrown to by both Carolina or Giants. There's more there than the Kyle conspiracy that everyone likes hang on to.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

That was a good one too Mr. Fowl.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

There's more there than the Kyle conspiracy that everyone likes hang on to.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM

I would have said that there's LESS there. Pretty simple: the guy can't be a reliable receiver in the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 14, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Your Mom is soooo fat...

... so fat..

that.. her general practitioner had to put her on cholesterol lowering medication..

..which, come to think of it, is the same thing my GP told me.

..so it's not really that..ba...

..hey, can I get your mom's number?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Your mom's pussy is so dry...her crabs gotta carry canteens.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:42 PM
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Your mamma is so greasy she used bacon as a band-aid!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

That was a good one too Mr. Fowl.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It's a good change of pace to just sick back and watch other people argue with each other! I can't see what the next momma joke is.....

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Yo Daddy jokes never caught on.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

because the connotation of daddy jokes is just too damn creepy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Andre Carter's contract says his contract voids if he gets traded, i.e., he becomes a free agent and can't be traded.

Posted by: dcsween | February 14, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that. I just thought he had a trade refusal clause.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The 'no trade clause' that he has in his contract isn't a major issue. He'll waive that clause right away, just look at how bad he played in the 4-3, he looked like a fish out of water. In fact I think he was interviewed last year as saying he would have waived it last offseason. The big question is how much can we get for him??? I'm guessing 4th or 5th round pick.

Ok, let the momma jokes continue.....

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Your mom's pussy is so dry...her crabs gotta carry canteens.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:42 PM
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Your mamma is so greasy she used bacon as a band-aid!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 1:50 PM |

Your mom is so hairy....bigfoot takes pictures of HER.

Don't mess with the master.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Re; Devin Thomas. Yeah, I'd like to give him another chance, but don't you think it's odd he was never thrown to by both Carolina or Giants.Posted by: bones21"

Yep, it's unfair. They kept wanting him to catch it.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hell no! Signing Plexiglass would only prove that after all these years we've still learned nothing!!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I wonder why Yo Daddy jokes never caught on.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 1:53 PM

Divorce. Or otherwise. Too many kids being raised by mothers with no father around.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 14, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Your mom is so poor she got married just for the rice.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I would have said that there's LESS there. Pretty simple: the guy can't be a reliable receiver in the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 14, 2011 1:49 PM

Funny how meanings get twisted. By saying "there's more to the story," I'm saying the same thing as you. The guy didn't perform and hasn't done so for two other teams either. Not Kyle's fault.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The problem with our Redskins Fanbase, is we get so tired of the foolishness with the Washington Redskins, and don't even realize when we've got a good thing, we're so ready for immediate results.

I can't BELIEVE someone's talking about Devin Thomas, when it was archived in RI that McNabb, and other veterans constantly pulled Thomas aside to address his maturity level. THEN Carolina picked him and cut him. Carolina!!!! The team with the top pick in the Draft and more need at WR then we have, cut Devin Thomas, then he went to the Giants, who were missing several of their starters, he didn't even start for THEM. I mean Zorn wouldn't even start this dude. That's 4 different coaches who didn't trust Thomas on the field. But somehow that's Shanahan's fault? Mike has done a great job finding young talent such as Banks, Armstrong, Riley, Lichtensteiger, Williams, with the little amount of Draft picks. We need to face the fact that it's gonna take 2-3 years to get this together.

I wanna Super Bowl like everyone else. But considering the fact that our Offense Line was in shambles, we had no WR, a TE, no RB, No Defensive Line, No Free Safety, One Pass Rushing LB, One inside Linebacker, and decent corners, I think Shanahan has gotten us a little bit better. Honestly the only mistake he's made, is the pick we gave away for McNabb, but who knows. With some more Lineman on both sides and Torain and an added WR, maybe McNabb could look good this year...

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Re; Devin Thomas. Yeah, I'd like to give him another chance, but don't you think it's odd he was never thrown to by both Carolina or Giants. There's more there than the Kyle conspiracy that everyone likes hang on to.

Posted by: bones21 | February 14, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

He was thrown to by Carolina but he dropped it. It was a quick screen. The ball was a little low but nothing he shouldn't have been able to hang on to.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Your mom is so poor she has the ducks throw bread at her!

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I agree about trading back to get more picks but with this years talent pool i dont really see any teams clamoring to get to the #10 spot. But a lot can change.

What im saying is that if you draft a 3-4 nose tackle in the 5th round or later then it would be a miracle for him to be an impact player in a 3-4 D. For that matter there arent really any beastly looking 3-4 NT this draft, no BJ Raji types, certainly no Suh's.
Shaun Rogers for those that dont know aint all that. Dude can run block for sure but isnt much of a pass rusher. Takes up space and numbers on shere mass alone. I dont this would be a good fit for us. we need help pressuring qbs.
If we are to get an impactful 3-4 NT we will have to pick one up in FA invest a early round pick and hope it works or just get plain old lucky.
Bottom line this time is whether its a 5th round NT or Shaun Rogers our D wont look much different next year or the year after. Getting a impactful 3-4 NT takes significant investment. This is not a position that you can patchwork and make it happen. Especially with our overall lack of 3-4 defenders.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Your mom has such bad acne she models for pizza hut.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Personal_Fowls mom is so nasty that she pours salt water down her pants to keep her crabs fresh.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 14, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas...but don't you think it's odd he was never thrown to by both Carolina or Giants.


I hear what folks say about Devin Thomas.

Yes, these are modest numbers:

2009 Washington Redskins 25 catches 325 yards

2008 Washington Redskins 15 catches 120 yards


I'm just wondering how a guy goes from hainv some potential to having none at all.

After the 2009 season, one would expect Thomas to be in line for a 40-60 catch season.

You gotta wonder what made the guy fall like he did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You gotta wonder what made the guy fall like he did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:08 PM

I heard that his momma jokes in the locker room were very, very poor.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Yep, it's unfair. They kept wanting him to catch it.

Posted by: Samson151
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How soon we forget....

Unless you actually hate Devin Thomas, Samson, even YOU can admit that the kid at least looked PROMISING during the last few games of Zorn's tenure. He looked better than Malcolm Kelly ever has.

The Shanahans came in with certain pre-conceived ideas about certain players, why did it take them basically all year to "discover" Fred Davis? Why did they cut Brandon Banks a few times before giving him a shot? Because they can be wrong on a player, Samson.

Plus, how do you know he can't catch, we barely saw the kid on the field for more than a play or two?

Carolina had serious issues at QB and the Giants have one the deepest corps of WRs in the NFC short of Green Bay, so to point out that he didn't make an impact with either team is a bit fallacious.

Personally, I would feel much better about the Devin Thomas situation, if he had flopped on the field, but the Shanahans are not going to TELL me he's no good, I have to see if for myself and the last thing I remember about Devin Thomas is that he looked promising at the end of the 2009-2010 season. I was looking forward to seeing him grow and improve along with F.Davis, but the Shanahans decided they didn't like him w/o really playing him in games.

Hell, even Anthony Armstrong dropped passes, Santana Moss dropped passes, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings and Andre Johnson drop passes.

So, how many did DT drop last year for Skins'? Oh, that's right to drop passes, you have to be targeted, was he, Samson?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh good...now Haynesworth being accused of sexual assault.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 14, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't touch him. The dude is getting old. There's the attitude, and oh yeah, the dude F-ing shot himself. For that singular act of stupidity the team should leave him alone.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 14, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem w/ Plax, conceptually. I'm just certain that we'd be able to magnify any horrible personal flaws he has.

This town corrupts - absolutely. Even a 5-7 rinki-dink gets shafted. You think folks won't test Plax once he's here?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Why did they cut Brandon Banks a few times before giving him a shot?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 2:16 PM

BB had a mild case of fumbleitis.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

...the dude F-ing shot himself. For that singular act of stupidity the team should leave him alone.


Depends on how you look at it.

I'd say a guy who shot himslef has good aim.

And accuracy is something the redskin offense is sorely missing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss: Is dude's bong half empty or half full?

The Skins track record for these kind of signings is atrocious at best.

It's great that Michael Vick seems to have redeemed himself with the Iggles, but NOBODY redeems themselves with the Skins. Every flaw a Big Name free agent has is magnified by a bergundy and gold microscope: McNabb's low tosses, Haynesworth's attitude, Arch Deluxe's footspeed, BLloyd''s whatever... if Shanahan signs him, both men will soon be added to this list.

Hell to the no.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 14, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse


Haynesworth Accused of Sexual Assault: Sources

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41584110

Sources say a waitress claims that Albert Haynesworth sexually assaulted her over the weekend at the W Hotel in Washington.
Police are investigating the complaint made by the waitress.

The U.S. Attorney's Office is expected to review the evidence in the case to see what, if any, charges may be brought against Haynesworth.

Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, provided the following statement to NBC Washington's Dan Hellie:
"There seems to be no truth to these allegations. We are currently evaluating facts and considering our own legal action against those involved."

On Saturday morning, Haynesworth and his lawyer went to the Reston police station, where he was charged with assault stemming from an incident on February 2 in which a man said the football player hit him while he was sitting in his car.

Haynesworth, 29, signed a summons releasable warrant, charging him with assault, and then departed the police station. He is due in Fairfax County Criminal Court at 9:30 a.m. on March 31.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 14, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, welcome back to me.

Just catching up:

Congrats to Chris Hanburger, long long long overdue

Jason Whitlock's article was extra special stupid

No to Shaun Rogers

But open to Plaxico, he really (literally) shot himself in the foot and the punishment far exceeded the crime.

Chris Samuels was, is and always will be a class act.

The less said about Fat Albert, the better

And we got our new blog owner. As best as I can tell, no one is bashing his mama, yet.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 14, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Your sock puppet is so smelly that horse sh*t holds it's breath when it walks by!

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

...the dude F-ing shot himself. For that singular act of stupidity the team should leave him alone.


Depends on how you look at it.

I'd say a guy who shot himslef has good aim.

And accuracy is something the redskin offense is sorely missing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Your sock puppet is so crusty that it's attending rape counseling.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Poop's mom is so fuc*ing retarded and disgusting, she named her illegitimate kid poop because when she squatted over a S.E. DC sewer vent to poop, she realized she just shat out a kid.

Now if that's a fact...tell me...am I lying?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Your sock puppet smells so bad that it made the Snuggle bear cry.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth Accused of Sexual Assault: Sources


I thought the sexual assault was something he did to himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Shanahan is.... he doesn't start you if you don't show up in practice. And reports from training bamp all indicate that Devin Thomas wasn't getting in done in practice. So it makes sense that he never saw the field for us....

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Your sock puppet is so crusted with dried semen that Jenna Jameson is jealous.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

joflood - that logic is impenetrable.

No wonder us Skins fans don't understand it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Jesus scamp!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

can't BELIEVE someone's talking about Devin Thomas, when it was archived in RI that McNabb, and other veterans constantly pulled Thomas aside to address his maturity level. THEN Carolina picked him and cut him. Carolina!!!! The team with the top pick in the Draft and more need at WR then we have, cut Devin Thomas, then he went to the Giants, who were missing several of their starters, he didn't even start for THEM. I mean Zorn wouldn't even start this dude. That's 4 different coaches who didn't trust Thomas on the field.
by joflood1987
~~~~~
Believe it bro'.

1. Zorn managed to get Thomas on the field long enough for him to show the promise that so many of us saw.
2.You "trust" Malcolm Kelly?
3."Veteran players pulled him aside"...
Soooooooooooo What? That could mean they saw the same promise that I did, so how is that an indictment, better yet WHAT is that an indictment of? Maturity? He was a third year player. They can be immature OR they can be OchoCinco, you know the PARAGON of Maturity at what 10 years in the league?
4. He got cut from Carolina. Again, Sooooooo What?!? We're talking about when Devin Thomas was HERE with us, not Carolina and not the Giants....HERE. As in, when Thomas was HERE.
5. Did Plaxico play last year? And yet, we're on here talking about him, so why can't we talk about DT?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd say a guy who shot himslef has good aim.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 14, 2011 2:30 PM

And he's capable of catching a speeding bullet. What more do you want?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 14, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Shanahan is.... he doesn't start you if you don't show up in practice. And reports from training bamp all indicate that Devin Thomas wasn't getting in done in practice. So it makes sense that he never saw the field for us....

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM

Hard to argue with the logic, but it begs the question: was Joey Galloway really getting it done in practice?

If so, there may be a need to re-examine criteria for giving players a shot during games.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 14, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Shanahan is.... he doesn't start you if you don't show up in practice. And reports from training bamp all indicate that Devin Thomas wasn't getting in done in practice. So it makes sense that he never saw the field for us....

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM

Hard to argue with the logic, but it begs the question: was Joey Galloway really getting it done in practice?

If so, there may be a need to re-examine criteria for giving players a shot during games.


Posted by: Alan4

Great point. Galloway eventually got cut, though correct?

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess Casey Rabach is just killin dudes in practice then. Cause i just aint seeing it on gameday.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess Casey Rabach is just killin dudes in practice then. Cause i just aint seeing it on gameday.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I hear Kareem Moore broke the tackling dummy in half.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I love how Haynesworth's agent assumes since he and Haney were answering to a warrant on Saturday morning that he would never have the time to assault anyone else.

At the same time, let this serve as a PSA for female waitresses, bartenders, bar/club promoters (a.k.a. payrolled hookers), pageant contestants, strippers/exotic dancers, stewardesses (a.k.a. air-waitresses), NFL hostesses (again, payrolled hookers) or employees at in-patient rehab centers....

Everyone knows you're a hooker outside the hotel room and mother Teresa once inside.

When you go with an athlete or celebrity to where their bed is, you're going to end up in it rather than discussing the finer points of international politics.

This is why athletes don't pursue Rhode's Scholars or prospective monastery candidates.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 14, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

" And reports from training bamp all indicate that Devin Thomas wasn't getting in done in practice. So it makes sense that he never saw the field for us...."
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Not to me, put him in the games first, let him see for himself that he can't half-ass it in practice,if that was the case.

Some guys can't be told, they have to be shown, they have to see for themselves that how they are going about their business is flawed.

We used a second round pick on this kid. A second rounder. So, before we cut him we owed to ourselve to try HARD to get him to succeed.

Put him at WR, if flops, then try him at safety, if he flops there, try him at cornerback, if flops there try him as a punter, a kicker, a linebacker, a tight-end....whatever.

But don't just cut him after two years w/o a history of either injuries or off-field trouble making. That's shortsighted.

I'm old-school, high draft picks don't just get cut before I would try them at every spot.

Let's also not forget how dysfunctional the Skins' are-Zorn got the head-coaching job because Snyder couldn't get Spagnuolo to return his calls. So Zorn cobbled together an offensive staff on the fly. With Santana Moss on one side, there was only one spot open and the Skins' were hell-bent on wedging brittle Kelly into that spot, remember?

Then we have the O-line problems, the Jason Campbell "gun-shy" problem. Nevertheless, the kid showed promise at the end of his second year....and that was with "new" OC Sherman Lewis being forced on Zorn.

So yeah, Devin may not have been the best practice player and he may have had some drops, but there's much more to why drafted Redskin players don't do as well with the team as we would hope.

Laron Landry is a good example-one coodinator (Blache) didn't know what to do with him, another (Haslett) does.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Your sock puppet is so old that he used to be Jesus' favorite socks.

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Galloway eventually got cut, though correct?

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 2:54 PM

The first step to correcting a mistake is admitting it.

Cutting Galloway was a late admission that no matter what he did in practice, he didn't belong on the 53 man roster.

And a younger player was denied an opportunity as a result.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 14, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 14, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Skins practice is like bizarro world. CR22 is pick 6 all day. Dhall looks like Patrick Willis. And Maake and Rabach go against each others in epic battles that put Greek mythology to shame.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 14, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

BEEP BEEP BEEP

Posted by: PlayAction | February 14, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Dive Ass Haynesworth Sexual Assualt Beeps!

Posted by: monk811 | February 14, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Believe it bro'.

1. Zorn managed to get Thomas on the field long enough for him to show the promise that so many of us saw.
2.You "trust" Malcolm Kelly?
3."Veteran players pulled him aside"...
Soooooooooooo What? That could mean they saw the same promise that I did, so how is that an indictment, better yet WHAT is that an indictment of? Maturity? He was a third year player. They can be immature OR they can be OchoCinco, you know the PARAGON of Maturity at what 10 years in the league?
4. He got cut from Carolina. Again, Sooooooo What?!? We're talking about when Devin Thomas was HERE with us, not Carolina and not the Giants....HERE. As in, when Thomas was HERE.
5. Did Plaxico play last year? And yet, we're on here talking about him, so why can't we talk about DT?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 2:48 PM


1. And by "long enough" you mean one game against the Saint, whose defense was run by Williams. The same defense that let Marshawn Lynch break a zillion tackles on the way to exiting First Round. ANY WR can have one good game. As a matter of fact, didn't DT put up half his seasons stats in that one game?
2. No I don't "trust" him. And if he doesn't show up in training camp, cut him too. I'm actually a bigger fan of Thomas than I am of Kelly.
3. Maybe they did see that promise. Or better yet, maybe they got tired of watching him waste the talent with immaturity AFTER 3 YEARS. DeSean Jackson isn't the most mature guy on the block, but he produces on the field doesn't he? A lot easier to let it slide, when the guy can damn near guarantee you a Pro Bowl and a 40+ yard TD every Sunday.
4. And he didn't get it done HERE. And guys like you argue he didn't get a chance, and yet he's been on 2 more teams and still has done nothing. I could see if he went to another team and beasted, like say a Brandon Lloyd (who I enjoyed seeing Hall pick off in the Pro Bowl)
5. Plaxico has produced EONS more than Thomas ever will. Granted he hasn't made the best personal decisions outside of football. But the bottom line is if we had Thomas and Burress,teams would gameplan for Burress at 32 and DARE us to throw to Thomas. That about sums it up.


You have some great points, though dude. Nice to debate with someone who isn't a buffoon, lol.

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

OMFG - Do you detractors ever see anything besides your own frame of reference? Is considering someone else's outlook anathema?

Galloway was on the team for the same reason Fat Al was on the bench and the same reasons McNabb made his way there; that is: to establish the basepoint for which you play for this coarching staff.

Final output was not a measuring point for this staff - adherence to protocol was. In otherwords - if you suck doing the job you're better than someone not sucking, but doing a different job.

I can understand not agreeing with the methodology. But it's like you don't even acknowledge the methodology.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 14, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

As for the rest of you. The fact that Rabach, Moore and Kemoeatu are starting, is probably less of an indictment of what Shanahan sees in practice, or more of an admission of how lacking in talent we really are. LOL.


That's the problem with this blog, people are so busy trying to prove each other to be dumbasses, instead of having intellegent convos and bouncing ideas around. lol. Makes for a fun read on every post though. lol

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah DeSean Jackson sticks in craw. Boy, does he stick in my craw. That's why I'm not stuck on getting a "big" receiver-you go for the best, not the biggest.

If we were using that type of logic instead of "draft a big wideout" logic we might have had both Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson. Curse you, Randy Moss! :-)

~~~
Sigh, Brandon Lloyd....you know joflood, I keep hearing that the Redskin Scouts tend to think as we do, but they were getting overruled by Snyder and Cerrato.

Lloyd reminds me of another point. When Snyder thinks a position is needy, he tends to pile too many players into the position at the same time. That way, they are stepping on each others toes, getting in each other's way and taking reps from each other.

We piled Lloyd on top of Randle-El on top of Moss on top of Kelly and Thomas.

I wonder how either Kelly or Thomas would have done if they were the "only child".

You know what I mean? Snyder thought we needed safeties, so here come Matt Bowen, Archuleta, Prielou, Taylor, Clark, Landry, Horton, Moore, Doughty,Carrier and didn't Matt Stevens play for us as well? How can any of them get good when their replacement is already on the team?

Bottom line, we screwed up that draft like so many others. Again, before I cut DT, that joker would've become Steve Tasker.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Someone explain the "Beep-Beep" move to me please.

Is it to begin a new conversation on the thread or is it an acknowledgement of a point made or taken?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 14, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Never sign a guy who's been off to prison. Those never work out...

Oh, wait a miniute...

Posted by: TheCork | February 14, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Unless you actually hate Devin Thomas, Samson, even YOU can admit that the kid at least looked PROMISING during the last few games of Zorn's tenure...Because they can be wrong on a player, Samson...Carolina had serious issues at QB and the Giants have one the deepest corps of WRs in the NFC short of Green Bay, so to point out that he didn't make an impact with either team is a bit fallacious.Personally, I would feel much better about the Devin Thomas situation, if he had flopped on the field, but the Shanahans are not going to TELL me he's no good, I have to see if for myself...the Shanahans decided they didn't like him w/o really playing him in games. ...you have to be targeted, was he, Samson?
Posted by: ArmchairGM"

Wow... called out by name three times on a subject I don't particularly care about. Guinness, please. I believe we have a record.

OK, I'll pretend to have strong feelings on the issue.

Thomas' problem in Washington was in fact named Shanahan. Mike insisted that WRs come to practice and do more than ride the exerbike. Run patterns and such. That's where the problem emerged -- when the music stopped, Devin was rarely where he was supposed to be. And the other WRs, though not so magnificently muscled, were.

I know, it's unfair, and Jim Zorn wouldn't have made a big deal about it, but there you have it -- Zorn was in Baltimore messing up Joe Flacco, and couldn't be reached for comment.

To make the story short, they cut him loose. We're not used to that in DC. Vinny would have given the guy a three year extension.

Now I like Devin. Personally. Probably mostly because I've never met him, but still, I'm sure he's a nice God-fearing Christian boy. Or Muslim, Jew or Pagan, it doesn't matter. Point is, there's no overt sign he's anything but a good soldier.

So now he has a chance to prove it in somebody else's air corps.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 14, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to get any older on offense and choose another bad free agent.

Posted by: ajglenn | February 14, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@ ArmchairGM"

I can certainly agree with wanting to see him, and not taking Shanahan's word for it. And you are MORE than correct about us over-recruiting for one position. I still think that Shanahan got the call right. I mean he DID take Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey and do wonder with them. It's hard to believe he wouldn't have wanted it to work with a specimen like Thomas. I think it wasn't mentally there, for Thomas.

Final note. Wouldn't it have been amazing if Cerrato would've looked at the offensive line as a need, and stockpiled a bunch of O-Lineman like he did WR and Safety? LOL. smh at my wishful thinking.

Posted by: joflood1987 | February 14, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Why not since the Redskins are clearly intent on being the Bengals of the NFC.
After next season, they should go after Big Ben or Vick to complete the transition from storied franchise to halfway house for felons and lowlifes.

Posted by: JONJJ | February 14, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I say YES ,take a run at Plax .... The Vick example shows guys can do a couple years in the slammer and still come back & be effective (AND stay out of trouble , no guarantees of course ) .... And no reason to fear another AH boondogle, it still remains to be seen if they can judge talent / pick players , but Shan/Allen have shown no inclination to throw crazy contracts around (even McNabb's contract leaves the 'Skins with little exposure if they decide to get rid of him) .... So sure , might as well take a shot

Posted by: RoidRage | February 14, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Sure, bring him and give him a chance. He didn't kill animals or trap a college girl in a bath room stall. He accidentally shot himself! If he can still play-let him!

Posted by: 4merskinsfan | February 14, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Having him try out is a no-brainer....1) because he still has skills, 2) has something to prove, 3) could be had on a cheap conditional contract, 4) will cost no draft picks.

If he doesn't work out before the season...he can easily be released and the Redskins will be out nothing. He will have all of offseason and training camp to prove his worth and whether he will fit into Shanallen's plans.

Let's be honest...if a new CBA is agreed to...there will be ALOT of quality WRs to restock this team with.

Posted by: goosedude | February 14, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Of players currently out of the league and on suspension and unlikely to be reinstated until after Week 1 of next season, whenever that happens to be, the one I can most likely see being a Redskin at any time in future is Tanard Jackson, FS most recently of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, drafted by Bruce Allen.

Second vote would be for Odell Thurman, who was a pretty decent player for the Bengals for a year or two, but had some off-the-field issues and suspensions and then played for Jim Haslett in the UFL in 2009, leading the team in tackles. I'm not sure if he remains suspended from the NFL.

Either of those is unlikely, but both are younger than Plaxico. And, as far as I know, neither has been in prison for much of the last couple years.

I'd say Burress is a very long shot, but you never know...

Posted by: csh2000 | February 14, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I vote ABSOLUTELY NO.

He is an always has been a mentally defective punk.

Not that he isn't a good receiver, he is..

Do we really need another talented head case?

Posted by: murrayh | February 14, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Freakin' suck. So does the owner.

It's over. These are not the guys we grew up with.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 14, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Sign him as in Vick he will make it. I realize never make a decision based on anything but talent but Santana has talent and for once a guy who didn't complain just played. I'm just afraid were in for more of the same

Posted by: southportwave | February 15, 2011 1:17 AM | Report abuse

No. Not one more stupid has-been player. Plaxico could play at one time, like before he shot HIMSELF IN A BARROOM FIGHT!! Now? Dunno. Don't care. Cut the drama-filled non-players stuff. We need football PLAYERS.

Coin Toss by Dave
NFL stands for which:
1) National Football League
2) Nobody Forgets Losers
3) Not For Long
4) No Friends Left
5) Never Follow Laws

Posted by: davedeltawhiskeybravo | February 15, 2011 5:49 AM | Report abuse

No.
Stop it already with the low class, bad dude, re-treads.

Posted by: kone | February 15, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I truly wish that this was being proposed as a joke. ANOTHER whack-o to bring an added dimension to the dysfunction? The nuttiness of this clown dates back to the MSU days. Can we not at least start down the path of normalcy? PLEASE?!!?

Posted by: fanfromafar | February 15, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Look if we were a good receiver away from the Super Bowl I would say sure why not; sign him to a 2-year deal. We are so far away from a Super Bowl run it isn't even funny. So I say NO, draft, trade, and look at young FA talent coming out of their rookie contracts.

Posted by: dwilcox2 | February 15, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Good thing DC's gun laws have been loosened up a bit I guess.

Posted by: lapopessa | February 15, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

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