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Posted at 12:24 PM ET, 02/ 3/2011

Coin toss: Should they stay or should they go?

By Washington Post editors

J.I. Halsell this morning explored one of the unexpected consequences of the uncapped salary year--teams such as the Redskins used the opportunity to restructure contracts. That helped them, but it also may help any players hit with the franchise tag by their teams, because of the way salaries are calculated for those players.

So today we're asking: Assuming the owners and players reach a contract deal, should the Redskins apply the franchise tag to anyone? Who should they target in free agency? Which of their free agents would you let go?

By Washington Post editors  | February 3, 2011; 12:24 PM ET
 
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this one goes out to beep, enjoy !

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 11:24 AM

Fingers in ear. La-la-la-la I can't hear you.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 11:30 AM |
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uh beep, you read with your eyeballs, not your ears. try covering your eye's the next time

HTTR!!!

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Allen came in, looked at the books and said "Holy F#$k!" Good thing it was an uncapped year. They didn't make any big splashes in FA and re-structured existing contracts to take adavantage of the uncapped year and free up cap space for the future(assuming there is one).

Let the rebuilding begin! HTTR!

Posted by: kerrdawg | February 3, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

When are we gonna get that ugly face off the top of this blog? The guy is a hack!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 3, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

the good thing about a 6-10 team is there are very few players that are candidates for the franchise tag.

the list of Redskins pending free agents is not impressive.

Moss is productive but 32 years old.

McIntosh doesn't fit the 3-4.

Carlos Rogers at 28 isn't worth a long-term extension.

the others are eminently replaceable in the offseason.

the simple truth is there isn't much talent on this roster right now.

there are perhaps 7 or 8 guys you have to keep and other than that the rest is all negotiable.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 3, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

These are not coin toss type of questions, but here we go...

Should the Redskins apply the franchise tag to anyone? Heads

Who should they target in free agency? Tails

Which of their free agents would you let go? Tails

Posted by: PlayAction | February 3, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't see any of our free agents as franchise material. We need linemen on both sides.

It all starts up front! I hope this regime at least understands that. Games are won and lost in the trenches!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 3, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I see only three players when their contract is up may be worthy of a franchise tag. They are Rak, T Williams, and LL playing SS. Other than it, I'd take the approach of get what ou can for the player and on to the next guy.

Posted by: TWISI | February 3, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss?

Is this another thread about Gilbert Arenas?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | February 3, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

He (mistamoe) has been found out to be perineum/skinshaveaGM which has a number of other handles that I can't presently remember. He slips up by using several insults that only he would use.

Swing, miss.

Perineum is my mentor as when I first started posting two years ago, he was the only blogga who would 'holla back'.

He, advised me to develop my own style, and sadly, I have failed in that regard.

But I am not 'skins' or 'perineum'.

I am mistamoe, madmoe, and gimmiesummoe.

I decided the different handles would allow me to say the same things wearing different screen name-masks.

And as no one ever reads my posts, this strategy, like my poor sense of humor, has failed.

And so, I will adopt another screen name to garner the world's attention: mubarackmoe

And like him, you probably want me to leave, even though I don't want to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Okay here is my list.

Let Walk:
Carlos Rogers DB
Rocky McIntosh LB
H.B. Blades LB
Kedric Golston DL
Stephon Heyer OL
Josh Bidwell P

Re-sign:
Rex Grossman QB
Santana Moss WR
Chris Wilson LB
Reed Doughty S

Free Agent Wish List:
Vincent Jackson WR
Kamerion Wimbley OLB
Richard Seymour DE
Champ Bailey DB
DeAngelo Williams RB
Logan Mankins OG

Posted by: kerrdawg | February 3, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Okay here is my list.

Let Walk:
Carlos Rogers DB
Rocky McIntosh LB
H.B. Blades LB
Kedric Golston DL
Stephon Heyer OL
Josh Bidwell P

Re-sign:
Rex Grossman QB
Santana Moss WR
Chris Wilson LB
Reed Doughty S

Free Agent Wish List:
Vincent Jackson WR
Kamerion Wimbley OLB
Richard Seymour DE
Champ Bailey DB
DeAngelo Williams RB
Logan Mankins OG


Posted by: kerrdawg | February 3, 2011 12:59 PM

Oh yeah, and franchise no one.

Posted by: kerrdawg | February 3, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm out of coins, can anybody help me out.

Posted by: wireman65 | February 3, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975/brownwood

The franchise tag guarantees that player gets paid as a top 5 player...higher than #5 yet lower than number 1...that's a good paycheck in anybodies mind.


I beg to differ.

I believe in the free market, not some socialized system of controlling pay.

You two probably enjoy yhe idea of Obamacare, too, right?

I thought not.

A player should be paid according to his worth and not by a percentage of what some other guy gets.

That's the free market.

Remember: I'm a baseball fan who likes how that sports allows teams to spend freely.

And if a team spends foolishly, that's their concern, and not the concern of the entire game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

A player should be paid according to his worth and not by a percentage of what some other guy gets.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 1:09 PM

An excellent argument for less guaranteed money and more incentives, although Jamarcus Russell and Albert Haynesworth might disagree.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 3, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Assuming the owners and players reach a contract deal, should the Redskins apply the franchise tag to anyone?"

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Only if a player on the current roster is somehow ranked among the top five players in the league at their respective position -- and they are not already under contract with the team.

I don't think we have anyone who even remotely qualifies.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 3, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Resign:

Dave Butz
Ron McDole
Daryl Grant
Dexter Manley
R Grimm
J Jacoby
J Lachey
M May
J Bostic

Posted by: iubiquity | February 3, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this.


So I'm looking over our free agent list and I'm not seeing anything I'd label as "franchise" just to keep it.

..'cept mebbe Grossman, just to have insurance.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 3, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Channelling my inner Rick Pitino:

Dave Butz is not walking through that door, fans. Russ Grimm is not walking through that door, and Dexter Manley is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

alan4

An excellent argument for less guaranteed money and more incentives,....


Albert Haynesworth was not F-Tagged.

But imagine if that 21 mil he got was tied to the number of snaps, practices, tackles, Pro Bowl appearences, etc. he participated in this past season.

He would not earn the money based on what happened.

But if that's what he had to do to get the money, the defense would've seen him playing NT to the best of his abilities I bet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Of those that are up for free agency none would fall into the franchise player category. Draft or pick up OL/DL but make sure first choice is Vonn Miller the OLB for Texas A&M!

Posted by: pechins | February 3, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

From WaPo:

According to Donovan's letter, "Probably the most obviously reckless and false statement is the assertion in the lead of the story that 'Dan Snyder . . . got caught forging names as a telemarketer with Snyder Communications.'" McKenna's reference was to an investigation by officials in Florida who fined Snyder Communications in 2001 for the unauthorized switching of customers' telephone service, an illegal practice known as "slamming." Snyder denied wrongdoing at the time.

Apparently there is a lot of this forgery shti afoot. From ESPN:

Just when you thought you'd heard it all on national signing day, we run across a situation where a mother actually forges her son's signature and sends in the scholarship papers. In this case, it was the mother of defensive back Floyd Raven of Reserve, La., and the thinking for much of Wednesday was that he had signed with Ole Miss. But when Ole Miss officials had a hard time reading the first letter of intent sent by Raven, they asked him to re-send it. Raven declined. That's because he had changed his mind and wanted to go to Texas A&M all the time. He explained that his mother had forged his signature and sent the papers in earlier without knowing that he had changed his mind and was planning on signing with the Aggies.

Christ on a crutch!

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | February 3, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

A financial boycott of the team is the only way to rid this town of the worst owner in all of football.

Posted by: jmurray019 | February 3, 2011 10:25 AM |

He'll never be the worst owner until someone drives a stake through Al Davis's heart.

Can someone please name one sports team where the owner has sold the team in response to a boycott?

A successful "boycott" would simply result in renaming the team: Los Angeles Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011


...... on second thought ..... that might not be a bad idea. We'd be rid of Snyder and the league would backfill a franchise into DC, much the same way they did in Cleveland. I'm warming to this inanely brilliant idea

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse


...... on second thought ..... that might not be a bad idea. We'd be rid of Snyder and the league would backfill a franchise into DC, much the same way they did in Cleveland. I'm warming to this inanely brilliant idea

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:47 PM |
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if it rids us of $nyder, sign me up zz !

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

MEMO
To: George Allen
Fr: Danny
Re: Free Agents

Here's our top free agent list

1. QB: Brett Favre
2. WR: Plaxico Burress
3. RB: Ricky Williams

Those guys are awesom. By the way, George, what do "OL" and "DL" stand for?

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | February 3, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was still here I'm pretty sure he'd try to apply the franchise tag to Trent Williams.

This year.

"You gotta think outside the box Dan!!!"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 3, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Very good prior post on the impact all the money that got pushed into a non cap year will have on franchise tags.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse


Dave Butz is not walking through that door, fans. Russ Grimm is not walking through that door, and Dexter Manley is not walking through that door. And if you expect them to walk through that door, they're going to be gray and old

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 1:31 PM |

Dr. Ben Sobel: The girl has got to go.
Paul Vitti: You know, Doc, I think you might be jealous.
Dr. Ben Sobel: Oh and what exactly might I be jealous of?
Paul Vitti: I don't know, I didn't hear nothin' comin' out of your room.
Dr. Ben Sobel: We just don't think it's necessary to wake the neighbors every time we have sex!
Paul Vitti: If you're quiet enough, you can do it without waking your wife.

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | February 3, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

pechins

make sure first choice is Vonn Miller the OLB for Texas A&M!

And if you add Miller without having elite (there's that word again!) defensive linemen in front of him to occupy blockers, how will he be effective?

If you look at each of the final 4 defenses (Chicago, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Jets) they had a superior player on each level.

Presently, we already have a stud linebacker and outside linebacker.

Maybe the next item would be adding a space consuming, run-stuffing tackle or athletic rush end.

Strong defenders up front make average linebackers play better as there are fewer blockers to deal with.

Too, 3-4 defenses invite '2 level blocking' from uncovered guards, tackles.

We don't need Miller.

We need a NT, D-end, and swing defensive tackle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd also resign Carlos Rogers, Jamaal Brown, and Stephon Heyer.

Jamaal Brown is pretty much a no brainer. I don't see many other right tackles on the roster and I doubt we land an FA or starter in the draft.

I would let Carlos test the market first and then I'd do a little better than match whatever 4-5 million a year deal someone else offers him.

I'm surprised people want to let Stephon Heyer walk. The guy is about as good of a backup you'll find and we know he can play 3 spots on the line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 3, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

He'll never be the worst owner until someone drives a stake through Al Davis's heart.

Can someone please name one sports team where the owner has sold the team in response to a boycott?

A successful "boycott" would simply result in renaming the team: Los Angeles Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011

...... on second thought ..... that might not be a bad idea. We'd be rid of Snyder and the league would backfill a franchise into DC, much the same way they did in Cleveland. I'm warming to this inanely brilliant idea

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys are insane. The only rational way to rid our beloved franchise of Dan Snyder is actually quite simple. We have to use Inception type technology and invade Snyder's dreams and make him grow up as a Cowboy's fan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

...... on second thought ..... that might not be a bad idea. We'd be rid of Snyder and the league would backfill a franchise into DC, much the same way they did in Cleveland. I'm warming to this inanely brilliant idea

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse
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That would only work if Snydely renamed the team, ala the Ravens. So what someone has to do is convince Nike to design a killer uni for a fictional team called the Los Angeles Snyder and leak it to the press.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 3, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse


You guys are insane. The only rational way to rid our beloved franchise of Dan Snyder is actually quite simple. We have to use Inception type technology and invade Snyder's dreams and make him grow up as a Cowboy's fan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 2:11 PM |
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oh no, jerry $nyder

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I respectfully disagree Moe. The 3-4 IMO is based on 2 bad MF-ers coming off the edge (OLBS) and anywhere from 1-3 Huge MF-ers clogging the middle.

At this point we have one of the requisite Mf-ers (Rak).

Adding Miller and someone like the Baylor DT Taylor gives us a solid young core to move ahead with the 3-4.

And it would allow "Hazelett" to play that formation GB uses with 2 or 3 NTs on the line with hellfire coming from both outside LB spots.

I REALLY want Miller and a DT with our first 2 picks.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 3, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hellfire sounds downright scary.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 3, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure who is under contract for 2011, but I'll take a stab at this:

Sign as potential starters: CWilson, WMontgomery, SMoss, RGrossman, CRogers, JBrown and PRiley.

Sign as backups: KGolston, SHeyer, PBuchanon,HBBlades, BWestbrook, RDoughty, RHenson, VHolliday.

Walk: Rocky, PDaniels, ACarter, DDockery, MSellers, CPortis, CRabach.
I think Rocky will be asking too much, PDan I love, but we need to get younger, AC is too much $ for being out-of-position, and DD is too expensive to be inactive, MS has lost a step, CP & CR too expensive.

No one is worth a franchise tag.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

...... on second thought ..... that might not be a bad idea. We'd be rid of Snyder and the league would backfill a franchise into DC, much the same way they did in Cleveland. I'm warming to this inanely brilliant idea

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse
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That would only work if Snydely renamed the team, ala the Ravens. So what someone has to do is convince Nike to design a killer uni for a fictional team called the Los Angeles Snyder and leak it to the press.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 3, 2011

Ridding this franchise of Snyder requires innovative, outside the box thinking, like this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I REALLY want Miller and a DT with our first 2 picks.

I understand your desires, but Mike Shanahan really wants a quarterback.

So one of the 1st 2 picks is going to be a young quarterback.

Miller will not be a redskin.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Very good prior post on the impact all the money that got pushed into a non cap year will have on franchise tags.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 1:58 PM |

It was like all over the internet before RI even lifted a finger. See below from 4 days ago:

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NT is the most thankless job there is. You have to exert max effort to fight off multiple OL types while the DEs and the OLBs swoop in to garner all the sack glory.

Posted by: BangerVance | January 31, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

They don't do it for the fun of it. NTs get 16 big thank you's every season, plus a generous bonus at contract time.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 11:22 AM |

They also will get $$$ if they are fran tagged. See below.

Defensive Tackles

2010 Official F/T Tenders: $7.003 million (F); $6.353M (T)
2011 Projected Franchise Tender: $12.749M
2011 Projected Transition Tender: $9.664M

Top 5: Albert Haynesworth (Washington), Richard Seymour (Oakland), Shaun Rogers (Cleveland), Tommie Harris (Chicago), B.J. Raji (Green Bay)

The Washington Redskins leveraged the uncapped year more than any other team, and that included superceding Haynesworth's contract, which boosted his salary number in 2010 to $24.753 million. Another reason the cost to franchise an interior defensive lineman will nearly double was Seymour being designated as a defensive tackle in 2010, a season he played under a $12.975 million "exclusive" franchise tag number for a defensive end.

Ngata, who made a measly $823,750 in 2009, should ngata be in badda shape if he gets the fran tag for 2011.

Posted by: ArcticCat | January 31, 2011 9:42 PM |

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | February 3, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"We have to use Inception type technology and invade Snyder's dreams and make him grow up as a Cowboy's fan."

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

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Apparently, it has already been done. If Dan were in fact a Cowboys fan, could he have ever done any more harm to the Redskins than he has already done by taking control of our once-proud franchise and running it into the ground?

Personally, I tend to think all of this lawsuit stuff is driven by Dan's penus envy for Jerry Jones and the Cowboys -- who are not so coincidentally this weekend hosting a Superbowl in their brand new, billion dollar stadium.

Meanwhile, Little Dan can't seem to arrange sufficient funding to shell out for an indoor practice facility for his failuer of a franchise -- or even a portapotty within easy walking distance of the practive fields.

Just think back to AH92's failed conditioning test this past summer... and the length of time it took for Albert to find a working toilet so he could drop a deuce between the shuttle runs.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 3, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Ridding this franchise of Snyder requires innovative, outside the box thinking, like this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 2:19 PM

I don't know when or how he's going to do it, but I think that he's going to self-destruct. This latest move with the law suit seems like the desperate actions of a man who is going to bring himself down.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Gail Collins, nytimes:

Florida is the only state that has not seen snow this winter.


Lotta warm sunshine today.

I'll put some in a bottle and mail it up North to the people who laugh when the bi-annual hurricane hits.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

We're going to bring this Mr. Snidely fellow down through a boycott! Yes let's orchestratea move to LA -- be the Los Angeles Redskins -- that'll fly big time in California!

Posted by: Pepper5 | February 3, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A special edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Daniel Snyder vs Washington City Paper is among the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen.

He has done more to undermine himself than anything I could have even imagined.

The lawsuit will go nowhere. Its brought Snyder instant and virtually universal condemnation – he’ll be lucky if his dog doesn’t turn on him. Disturbingly, the legal complaint makes at least 5 mentions of anti-Semitism, with a Nazi reference for good measure. These are repulsive and upsetting. There are plenty of real bigots in this world; the defendants aren’t among them.

When I last checked the WaPo article on the lawsuit, 83 comments had been made. Zero supported Snyder.

It has been easy to dismiss Snyder as an incompetent owner who wanted to win and had no clue how to do it. But he’d left plenty of doubt about some of the harsher criticisms. Some saw him as malicious, greedy and arrogant all wrapped up in a Napoleon complex. Others saw him as petty, thin-skinned and the kid who everyone liked to beat up. But many, perhaps most, had given him some benefit of the doubt. Sadly and stunningly, he’s removed all doubt.

Court filings EMPHASIZE that Snyder’s reputation with the business community is effected by the City Paper story. This is jaw-dropping stupid. Any reasonable businessperson or group would pay attention to what Snyder’s done with the Redskins, Snyder Communications, Johnny Rockets, 6 Flags, etc. But no serious businessperson would spend much time or put any weight into an article in a free newspaper that ‘s 4th in a 4 paper market.

Another troubling aspect is that Snyder used Redskins legal counsel to write a threatening letter to City Paper. This is a personal issue. Using Redskins counsel, even once, is wrong.

Snyder needs an intervention.

There are minority shareholders of this team and they must do what they can to save Snyder from himself. That may include involving Roger Goodell, other owners and respected members of the Redskin family. It could include both Mike Shanahan (no stranger to lawsuits) and Bruce Allen. It may involve other business partners or his rabbi. Even his wife should take a good look at the reactions.

Snyder has either been ill-advised or failed to heed better advice. Any good he may have done along the way (and if you read the court filing, he’ll tell you he’s done plenty) is lost in his own small mindedness.

No longer can the Redskins minority owners stand by as its principal owner destroys his own reputation and damages the franchise. Make no mistake, this a very bad turn of events for this franchise.

Snyder has been telling anyone who’ll listen how he’s grown and matured as an owner and as a person. Sadly, Snyder actions have made it clear beyond any doubt, there’s no reason to listen.

That is a wrap on ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I will.

And I will revert to homer fan mode and proclaim whatever QB we take to be the second coming of John Elway....until he proves he is not and we are setback another 5 years.

Neither Snyder, nor any of his surrogates can keep me down Moe.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 3, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the next item would be adding a space consuming, run-stuffing tackle or athletic rush end.

Strong defenders up front make average linebackers play better as there are fewer blockers to deal with.

Too, 3-4 defenses invite '2 level blocking' from uncovered guards, tackles.

We don't need Miller.

We need a NT, D-end, and swing defensive tackle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's assume that Fairley, Dareus, Bowers and Quinn have already been selected in the first 9 picks. They seem to be the consensus best DL. Also selected have been Peterson and Akumura, top 2 cb's, and AJ Green wr. That's 7 of the top 9 spots.

I'm assuming that MS has not fallen in love with a qb. Who knows, he may have, but let's assume he hasn't.

Do you pick the next best DL, knowing that you are getting the fifth best DL. Or do you go for a lb like Akeem Ayers?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's another post from 4 days ago by that know-it-all 44:

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DE – Franchise: $8.99 million.
DT – Franchise: $6.06 million.

Ngata will be getting the DE franchise tag.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 8:51 PM |

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Dude - those numbers are older than dirt!

Posted by: CottonEyeJoe | February 3, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

W-Guilty

And I will revert to homer fan mode and proclaim whatever QB we take to be the second coming of John Elway....

I hope we are lucky this time and find a guy who can 'hold it down' at q-back this go 'round.

We've realized a lot of disappointment from the position of the years:

Rex Grossman
Donovan McNabb
Jason Campbell
Todd Collins
Mark Brunell
Chase Daniels
Colt Brennen
Gus Ferrote
Jeff Hostetler
Rich Gannon
Stan Humphries
Shane Matthews
Trent Green
Heath Shuler
Pat Ramsey
Danny Wuerffuel
Jeff George
Tony Banks
Cary Conklin


I left Brad Johnson off the list.

He was the last quarterback we had who was somewhat satisfying.

The length and variety of failed quarterbacks is really why so many redskin fans fall faint at the thought of drafting another one.

The team could draft a second rounder, start John Beck, and let the kid sit behind him.

It could also have a detente with Donovan McNabb and let someone be groomed behind him.

The final option would be to convince Al Davis that he not execute the hiring of and trade for Hue Jackson and Jason Campbell.

But that won't happen.

The drafting and high hopes for another quarterback will.

Which is why I'm already prepared to faint.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

fred, Cameron Jordan, unblockable at the senior bowl...he's the guy at 9, unless someone falls...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

The fifth best DL kid in this draft is better than Kedric Golston, Jeremy Jarmon, Darrion Scott, Philip Daniels, Ma'ake Kemoteau, or Joe Joseph.

So you take'em.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Do you pick the next best DL, knowing that you are getting the fifth best DL. Or do you go for a lb like Akeem Ayers?

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Cameron Jordan is hardly a consolation prize and I wouldn't call him the 5th best d-linemen. He may be the second best 3-4 RDE. Fairly and Bowers would do much better in a 4-3. Quinn looks to be a 3-4 OLB. Dareus is my choice for RDE but I'd be happy with Cameron Jordan too. I just like Dareus better because I think he could play NT too. We're going to get a great player at #9 as long as we're not stupid. There's more than 9 great players in the draft and you know somebody is going to mess up the draft by taking a day 2 prospect in the top 10.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 3, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

He (mistamoe) has been found out to be perineum/skinshaveaGM which has a number of other handles that I can't presently remember. He slips up by using several insults that only he would use.

Swing, miss.

Perineum is my mentor as when I first started posting two years ago, he was the only blogga who would 'holla back'.

He, advised me to develop my own style, and sadly, I have failed in that regard.

But I am not 'skins' or 'perineum'.

I am mistamoe, madmoe, and gimmiesummoe.

I decided the different handles would allow me to say the same things wearing different screen name-masks.

And as no one ever reads my posts, this strategy, like my poor sense of humor, has failed.

And so, I will adopt another screen name to garner the world's attention: mubarackmoe

And like him, you probably want me to leave, even though I don't want to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 12:58 PM |

Whoa talk about twisting a comment. I was referring to flip_flop not the Moe.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

BrownEyeJoe- you're a hard guy to follow, with all those handles how is a guy like me with only one handle suppose to have any form of dialogue?

Those numbers are from last year and that was before they were waterlogged with the likes of Albert and DHall.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Re-sign (in this order of priority):

Santana Moss (tag worthy)
Rex Grossman
Carlos Rogers (probably more important to tag, but not worth the tag salary)
Stephon Heyer
Reed Doughty
Chris Wilson
H.B. Blades (tender offer consistent with draft round ... 5th?)

Free agency positions to target (in this order) ... pick three ONLY

WR (James Jones/GB or Malcolm Floyd/SD)
OL (Harvey Dahl/ATL or Justin Blaylock/ATL)
ILB (D'Qwell Jackson/CLE)
OLB (LaMarr Woodley/PIT)
P Adam Podlesh (JAX)
CB Chris Carr (BAL)
RB Jason Snelling (ATL)

Do not prioritize re-signing, except in the event of free agency mis-fires ...

Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston

Do not re-sign

Josh Bidwell

Drafting priorities (but if talent/character is available at any point in the draft, pick BPA)

1. Outside pressure opposite Orakpo, either OLB or DE
2. Interior lineman, center or guard
3. Nose tackle
4. QB

Trade candidates:

DeAngelo Hall (I love the turnovers, but his trade value will never be higher ... turnovers fall off over time, coverage does not)
McNabb and Hayneworth and Dockery (but trade value is shot)
Phillip Buchanon
Kareem Moore


So let it be written, so let it be done.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975/brownwood

The franchise tag guarantees that player gets paid as a top 5 player...higher than #5 yet lower than number 1...that's a good paycheck in anybodies mind.

I beg to differ.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 1:09 PM |

Well, since the first part of that statement is fact it's hard to "differ" with so you must be talking about the good paycheck part. You must be rich as hell then.

As far as the franchise tag goes, I'm not for it. My comment was basically saying that it guarantees a high payday. I also said it should be limited to a one time thing per player. I should have ended that with "if at all." I think it should be eliminated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Freddie, Freddie, Freddie - You pick the best player available or trade down where you can get your player at a level where you are not forcing it. I can understand drafting for need if you are only reaching down 4 or 5 picks, but anything beyond that and you trade down or take BPA. I am not a fan of taking best player available but with the swiss cheese roster the Redskins have, any player chosen fills a hole. Personally, I wish they would draft all offensive and defensive linemen this draft, but that is only if the whales fall to them. The positions I would avoid high in the draft are running back, full back and tight end. Anything else would not be too much of a risk.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

BrownEyeJoe- you're a hard guy to follow, with all those handles how is a guy like me with only one handle suppose to have any form of dialogue?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 3:10 PM

Dies, feel free to borrow monk from time to time if need be.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 3, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Today's Kojo Naamdi show had an interview with a professor at Georgetown Law School concerning the merits of Dan Snyder's case against WCP. You can hear it here and the part of the show that you want to listen to is at the 42 minute mark.

http://thekojonnamdishow.org/

She basically argues that the case has no merit, and that it will only cost the City Paper around $50,000 to defend the suit. What's the point? Snyder is nuts-o.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I think Snyder is out there with his lawsuit against the micro paper, but I don't think he is so far out there that the minority owners or Goodell would get involved. The guy is not Satan. Heck, I think what he is doing is dumb but when someone says a bunch of bad stuff about you it is understandable that you get defensive. And, as weak as it is, he has the discrimintation/race card. As a Redskins fan, I would really, really like to see Snyder offer a rebuttal as a compromise. I just can't believe anyone in his camp isn't telling him the same thing. Who is he taking advice from - Vinny Cerato?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 3, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

... an interview with a professor at Georgetown Law School ...

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 3:22 PM

The Georgia Tech of law schools

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What happens to free agency and the draft if the CBA isn't signed until mid-August? Will underclassmen who declared get a special exemption to regain college eligibility? I vote to franchise Heyer as a guard. He didn't look half-bad playing guard and could still back-up both tackle spots.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 3, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

There are a few ways that The Owner could part ways with his ownership, but none of them are likely:

1. He does something to piss off the other owners. But for as long as there is revenue sharing, it would have to be something that really really really really pissed them off.

2. Bankruptcy and a need to reorganize assets, including the team. Given how he came out on top of the Six Flags bankruptcy, plus his OTHER assets, he would have to be DEEPLY leveraged by South American currencies for this to happen.

3. Gets a better job that requires him to be way way out of town all year long. Other then the job opening for a new pharoah in Egypt, I can't see this one.

4. Discovered in the bedroom with a dead girl or live boy. This is out only hope, Obi Wan.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't know when or how he's going to do it, but I think that he's going to self-destruct.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse
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If life were that Karmic, we would probably have a world population of about 14 people.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 3, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

What happens to free agency and the draft if the CBA isn't signed until mid-August?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 3, 2011 3:33 PM

Free agency gets stalled until then. The draft happens regardless, as does the HoF induction ceremonies. The draft is only about the teams' respective rights to sign a player. Same thing with franchise tags -- the tag is the right to sign (and a guaranteed minimum payment for the year). The draft will happen, but draft choice contacts probably get stalled, esp. b/c a rookie pay scale probably is going to be part of the new CBA. Tagged players just get kept out of free agency. They don't get paid till they show up for the team.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

people wishing for Snyder to not be the owner of the Redskins = power rankings...

you think guys like Mike Brown, or Ralph Wilson want Snyder to go away....think again, heck Wilson isn't bright enough to garner revenue off the naming of the Bills stadium...he named it after himself...

he's gonna own the team till he's gone...and then his kids will own the team...so keep beating the spot where the dead horse had previously died, been beaten, turned to dust, and blown away in the wind...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

5. Divorce.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Also maybe trade bait ... Chris Horton?

Did he struggle b/c of injury or b/c of scheme?

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I think Snyder is out there with his lawsuit against the micro paper, but I don't think he is so far out there that the minority owners or Goodell would get involved. The guy is not Satan. Heck, I think what he is doing is dumb but when someone says a bunch of bad stuff about you it is understandable that you get defensive. And, as weak as it is, he has the discrimintation/race card. As a Redskins fan, I would really, really like to see Snyder offer a rebuttal as a compromise. I just can't believe anyone in his camp isn't telling him the same thing. Who is he taking advice from - Vinny Cerato?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Danny was stupidly clever and filed this lawsuit in New York. So what happens next? Danny asks for a gag order -- keeping the proceedings out of the public. The judge, who knows this isn't much of a story in New York, has no reason to worry about a tainted jury, denies it. Which means EVERY twist and turn plays out in the DC media -- where Snyder lives.

On top of it, every person Snyder ever wronged is going to come out of the woodwork. Expect people from Snyder Communications, 6 Flags, etc. Guarantee there is at least 1 person at each place that will want to dump on Danny. Expect newspaper interviews in addition to testimony.

Then there is 'discovery' ... every memo, e-mail, letter, etc. Which means City Paper will have a detailed look at the Skins. They will literally be the Redskin Insider!!!

And while discovery isn't public, it will essentially come in other forms. It will ALL get published because ... he's suing a newspaper!!

Its just a losing proposition on so many fronts.

As for the intervention, there are lots of 'behind the scenes' ways to intervene. For example, a minority owner can threaten Danny with taking something public that would embarrass Danny. Goodell (a lawyer himself) can offer an 'off the record' conversation regarding the foolishness of this suit and the greater damage that could result.

There are a bunch of people that can tell Danny "STOP". Here's hoping they do.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

4. Discovered in the bedroom with a dead girl or live boy.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:36 PM

We may be able to arrange this.

Signed,
Hessone

Posted by: PlayAction | February 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

... an interview with a professor at Georgetown Law School ...

Posted by: beep-beep | February 3, 2011 3:22 PM

The Georgia Tech of law schools


Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

the Mount Saint Mary's of engineering schools

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

... On top of it, every person Snyder ever wronged is going to come out of the woodwork. Expect people from Snyder Communications, 6 Flags, etc. Guarantee there is at least 1 person at each place that will want to dump on Danny. Expect newspaper interviews in addition to testimony.

Then there is 'discovery' ... every memo, e-mail, letter, etc. Which means City Paper will have a detailed look at the Skins. They will literally be the Redskin Insider!!! ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 3:46 PM

Maybe, but I doubt it. I think that everyone, including the angry owner himself, ultimately gets bored and moves on. Case dismissed for lack of prosecution ... February 2021 ... dismissed for lack of interest ....

RI itself is getting bored of it. The obsessive hamster that is RI is ready to turn its short attention span to the Super Bowl for a few hours so that it can obsess over what it obsesses over the best, the draft.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I vote to franchise Heyer as a guard. He didn't look half-bad playing guard and could still back-up both tackle spots.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 3, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Heyer made about 1.7 mill last year. And he was our 4th ranked OG. No need to franchise him. I presume you said that tongue in cheek.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

5. Divorce.

Posted by: beep-beep

BEST IDEA YET!!! $5,000 for a hooker and its all over.

Just check out what's happening to the LA Dodgers owners.

And for more fun, check out their tax deductions ... they've paid no income taxes for about 6 or 7 years in a row. Really the Poster Couple for 'why the rich suck' crowd.

Search 'McCourt divorce', the LA Times wrote a bunch of stuff on them. A lot of the dirt came from various filings required by 'discovery'. Which is what Danny will be dealing with soon enough.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

RI itself is getting bored of it. The obsessive hamster that is RI is ready to turn its short attention span to the Super Bowl for a few hours so that it can obsess over what it obsesses over the best, the draft.

Posted by: dcsween

ACK!!! I can't obsess over the draft because I don't follow college football and really know nothing about the prospects. Saw just 2 games all year (the Stanford and Auburn bowl games).

I need to obsess over something else. Or go on vacation.

Which reminds me, 5 years ago, when the Steelers beat Seattle in the Super Bowl, I took a hike instead of watching it -- and this was the view:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/67979760

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

the Mount Saint Mary's of engineering schools

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

They wish..

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

... $5,000 for a hooker and its all over. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 3:57 PM

Dude, this is Daniel friggin Snyder we're taking about. If you're serious about making this happen, add about three more zeros at the end of that number.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

You've heard the stories about retired players going bankrupt? Well here's a case of retired players helping others lose their shirts

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/02/03/BUAV1HHOVB.DTL

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that's too much. I meant 500 grand not 5 mil. Also, z, you're gonna have to be the one responsible for state and federal payroll tax withholding for her. That part is the nightmare.

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse


beep, this time, cover your eye's !

BOYCOTT $NYDER, READ THE CITY PAPER-BOYCOTT $NYDER, READ THE CITY PAPER-BOYCOTT $NYDER, READ THE CITY PAPER

as I've stated before, same as it ever was - same as it ever was

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

BOYCOTT $NYDER...and yet he posts it on a blog called, "Redskins Insider" the very team that Dan Snyder owns.....its beyond comprehension sometimes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse


BOYCOTT $NYDER...and yet he posts it on a blog called, "Redskins Insider" the very team that Dan Snyder owns.....its beyond comprehension sometimes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 4:33 PM |
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it's always something greg.

I don't think $nyder owns the WaPo. nice try though. besides, it was a silly ass joke directed at beep. have a good night greg


Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

boycott computers....and boycott air....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Look, we don't need a quarterback because we can just get Lorenzo Alexander to take over there. This team needs to raffle-off that no. 10 pick. We need too much to pass on opportunities to get more picks in the 2-5 rounds.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 3, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

don' t franchise anyone. sign them to deal you want or let them go. everybody is replaceable.

I agree with dealing to add more picks. That is needed for the next couple of years to restock with youth.

Posted by: Pensfans | February 3, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I do not agree with trading out of the first round. I think we have enough back ups. We need starters. I wouldn't mind moving down in the first round though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 3, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually, that's too much. I meant 500 grand not 5 mil. Also, z, you're gonna have to be the one responsible for state and federal payroll tax withholding for her. That part is the nightmare.

Posted by: dcsween

Heck, Snyder paid more than that to watch Albert take nap on the field.

And yeah, I know how to do the 1099/1096 thing. So as of now, anyone who wants to contribute to the fund to "Get Danny a Hooker Fund", can send me a cash or check made out to me. When we get to $500,000, I'll make it happen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse


boycott computers....and boycott air....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 3, 2011 4:49 PM |
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will do

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Any reason not to move Lorenzo Alexander to DE? I mean, isn't the midway point between 4-3 DT and a 3-4 OLB just a 3-4 DE anyway?

Posted by: dcsween | February 3, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Save:

Anyone under Age 29

Trade:

Anyone over 29 that can be traded for a draft pick

Free Agency:

Ignore it

Posted by: mac2j | February 3, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought Snyder was being ridiculous with his lawsuit until I read the article...

I'd kick some azz if I'm Snyder!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 3, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I believe in the free market, not some socialized system of controlling pay.

You two probably enjoy yhe idea of Obamacare, too, right?

I thought not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 3, 2011 1:09 PM


Actually, I do agree with the general concept of socialized healthcare, but since this isn't a political blog, I'll keep my thoughts on that to myself. Hopefully, you'll do the same...

As for being a baseball fan, you have my sympathy. I can't get with a sport that is like watching paint dry, is dominated by the same 3 or 4 teams on an annual basis, and gives small market teams close to ZERO chance to compete with the big market teams. Seems to me the only people who enjoy baseball are the ones who root for the Red Sox and Yankees...

Back to football...I understand the player perspective on why they don't like the franchise tag, but what you fail to realize is that the NFL more than any other sport emphasizes the importance of competitive balance and parity. Take away the francise tag and you'll have the best players from teams like Cincy, Detroit, and Cleveland getting out of town ASAFP to the nearest contender that will open their wallets like Washington, Dallas, and New England. While it probably won't create the clusterf*ck of top heaviness the NBA and MLB suffer from, it certainly provides an advantage to those teams.

So I'll stick with the NFL the way it is, thanks. Keep the salary cap, keep the 16 game schedule, and keep the franchise tag. If they're smart, the NFL and NFLPA won't change a damn thing.

But as we know, greed will probably win out in the end....

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 3, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I would trade Cooley for a 3rd or 4th round pick...problem is the CBA may not be in place till summer so we can't use the pick this year.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 3, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny was still here I'm pretty sure he'd try to apply the franchise tag to Trent Williams.

This year.

"You gotta think outside the box Dan!!!"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 3, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

As Judge Schmales said "Good, good...VERY good!!"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 3, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

paskinsfan

I do not agree with trading out of the first round.

Does trading out of round 1 happen all that often?

I think a lot of folks post that to make themselves seem smart.

But they are smart if such amove renders additional picks.

The type of players we really need are mid to low round 1, round 2 and 3 type guys.

A 3rd and 4th rounder to go with the 2nd and multiple 5ths we have would be very nice.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 3, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think Rob Jackson has a good shot at nailing down the other OLB spot (and being a pretty good one)?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 3, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Resign Carlos Rogers, He can't catch but can takle and cover...a little. Besides Champ is old and beat up, would cost too much to bring back. Keep Rocky McIntosh because he does his job, and keeps his mouth shut!!!

Santana Moss will retire a redskin great.


GONE LIST BELOW

H.B. Blades LB
Kedric Golston DL
Stephon Heyer OL
Josh Bidwell P
Rex Grossman QB
Chris Wilson LB
Reed Doughty S

Free Agent Wish List:
Logan Mankins OG

Also trade Buttersworth back to the Titans for Vince Young. A player swap perhaps??? Maybe even a 3rd rounder thrown in there too. If Vince don't make it..then he gets cut, and Albert is out of our hair. Do you trade McNabb??? Look into Cincy???? Palmer???

2011 Draft- If Cam Newton is there at 10, you take him? Before you say a word think of this.... Rex Grossman running out of the tunnel as the Redskins starter for the season....(MY HEAD HURTS) Remaining picks????? We need help on the O and D lines POINT BLANK.

Posted by: Airchuck | February 3, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I would trade Cooley for a 3rd or 4th round pick...

Posted by: rickyroge | February 3, 2011 6:52 PM


Yup. And I would trade Rob Jackson for Lamar Woodley straight up. And Derrick Dockery for Logan Mankins. Oh, and don't forget the money trade: AH and McNabb to Green Bay for Rodgers, Woodson, and Jennings. Then after this job well done, I'd ride my unicorn off into the sunset...

Gotta love the Madden GMs up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 3, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Trading back for more picks...

I remember when we drafted Sean Taylor like it was yesterday. He wasn't at the draft...he was at home with his family...

I was like...look at this guy!

Little did I know (tear)


Posted by: rickyroge | February 3, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is a moron...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is a moron...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 7:55 PM

and in other breaking news the sun rises in the East and sets in the West

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

On the CBA ... the main things the players need is better health care post football, improved safety and better management of individual finances.

The main thing the owners need is a rookie salary cap.

16 games is plenty.

The players are the show, so pay them. There is plenty pf $$ for everyone.

Owners could be a lot smarter. Take OAK and SF. Share a stadium for crying out loud. You'll both make more $$. About 1/2 billion $$ on that alone. But owner egos get in the way. Not sure why players should pay for that sort of thing!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

and in other breaking news the sun rises in the East and sets in the West

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Not true in parts of Alaska where they get those 30 days of night. Explains his support from Sarah.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 8:07 PM |

Dude - if I ever break into your house I now have the combo to your safe. Thanks. But don't expect me anytime soon cause I'm really backed up with ll these jobs on order.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I do agree with the general concept of socialized healthcare, but since this isn't a political blog, I'll keep my thoughts on that to myself. Hopefully, you'll do the same...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 3, 2011 6:51 PM |

But scampbell1975 ain't as decorous. Cramp dude - you wanna call in an air strike on this one?

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Owners could be a lot smarter. Take OAK and SF. Share a stadium for crying out loud. You'll both make more $$. About 1/2 billion $$ on that alone. But owner egos get in the way. Not sure why players should pay for that sort of thing!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 8:06 PM |

Christ dude you should learn to think out of the arena. One stadium could take care of Cal and Stan in addition to Oak and SF. Alternate Cal and Stan on Sat and Oak and SF on Sun!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is a moron...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

He really makes conservatives(at least the un-educated Teaparty type) look bad.

How he is still on TV is beyond me.

The Jon Stewart impersonation of him is hilarious.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

and in other breaking news the sun rises in the East and sets in the West

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 8:03 PM |

There's a place in Idaho that is MST and if you head east you will be in PST. So there the sun sets an hour later in the east. They call it my own private Idaho. Johnny Idaho told me about it. Or maybe it was Ida the ho. I can't remember. Info overload.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

And after Dan Snyder is fired or boycotted out of Washington this year, Rex Grossmen is gonna throw for 50tds. Adam Carriker and Jeremy Jarmon are gonna earn 15 sacks a piece.

And Graham Gano will not miss anymore fgs.

You see people this is why we have to fire Dan Snyder. Because he hired Carlos Rogers and it's Dan Snyders responsibility to teach Carlos Rogers how to intercept and not fall for the double move.

Fire Dan Snyder NOW! And we be 14-2 next year. Superbowl!

Posted by: Vicc | February 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Dude - if I ever break into your house I now have the combo to your safe. Thanks. But don't expect me anytime soon cause I'm really backed up with ll these jobs on order.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

No you don't 35332 is a cypher for my last name

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Owners could be a lot smarter. Take OAK and SF. Share a stadium for crying out loud. You'll both make more $$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 3, 2011 8:06 PM |

There is a wrinkle here that needs to be ironed out. Unlike NYC, the fan base for Oak and SF is separated by a vast bay. In order for your scheme to work they would have to build the stadium on Treasure Island which would be costly and inconvenient. But bringing in Cal and Stan (see earlier post) drives the cost down significantly.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

No you don't 35332 is a cypher for my last name

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:01 PM |

Dude - you took the bait! Now I can figure out what your last name is and I can find out where you live and really break into your house! Wicked pissah!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you took the bait! Now I can figure out what your last name is and I can find out where you live and really break into your house! Wicked pissah!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Why? So you can jerk off on someone else's computer.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

snyder and mubarek...
just saying

Posted by: reader51 | February 3, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is Dan Snyder wasting money hiring anybody, but the players, to work for the Redskins?

Apparently anybody Snyder hires can choose to d!ck off and not do the job they were hired to do; we fans will give them a pass.

And it's Snyders fault for not bringing his 20/20 hindsight goggles to the interview before he hired them.

Everybody has the screening process figured out except poor old Snyder. Who ever owned the Redskins from 1967 to 1983 must be the 2nd worst owner in the history of Sports. 15 years without a Superbowl? Only Snyder can out do him!

Posted by: Vicc | February 3, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

A question for the RI thinkers:

How likely do you think it is that Shanahan is simply putting thumbscrews on mcnabb to get him to play better? (one being not at all likely to 10 being very likely)

Note: DM5 was on the starting team until the 'skins were mathematically from playoff contention and we really ain't got a short-term solution better than mcnabb. I don't regret Shanny's "my way or else" handling of his players because Shanny is usually right vs. the 22 through 36-yr-old player...belichick does it that way too.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 3, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse


Glenn Beck is a moron...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 3, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse
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I always looked at beck as mr. doodie. same as a moron, none the less


Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Apparently anybody Snyder hires can choose to d!ck off and not do the job they were hired to do; we fans will give them a pass.

Posted by: Vicc | February 3, 2011 9:17 PM |

You may have a bone or two to pick with what he did previous but I don't know how he could have done much better than hiring Shanahan and giving him control.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

monkey- 1

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The Snyder must be feeling the heat, f***in'-A , 'bout time...

I LIKE Rogers , his cover skills and tackling skills are top-notch, just his intercepting skills ain't so hot...And Haslett's new defense is turnover-friendly (PUT DE-ANGEL-O AT FREE SAFETY)..But, of the few up for free agency, he's the only one that MIGHT come to mind for a franchise tag...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Also, wasn't it cool in the Pro Bowl to see the Falcons coach use Hall in the return game (yeah, the muff, wasn't his fault)...Giving "Deion Lite" the limelight charges him up, you can tell..Skins coaches take note...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Frack
I respectfully disagree. A FS needs to be able to play over top coverage and a sure tackler. Hall does neither of these things well.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

BlackBagOps

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sarcasm

Posted by: Vicc | February 3, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Frack
I respectfully disagree. A FS needs to be able to play over top coverage and a sure tackler. Hall does neither of these things well.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Hall have like 100 tackles last year?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I always looked at beck as mr. doodie. same as a moron, none the less

Posted by: hessone | February 3, 2011 9:26 PM |

Back in ancient times there was a TV program called the "Howdy Doody Show" that supposedly was very popular. What I could never figure out is who would want to watch something called the "Howdy A Big Pile of Shti Show"? Besides maybe Mr. Frak.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Frack
I respectfully disagree. A FS needs to be able to play over top coverage and a sure tackler. Hall does neither of these things well.

Posted by: alex35332


Hall gambles underneath the top, but if he were a free safety, he could do what he does best-REACT..His closing skills and interception skills could be used to the fullest...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

frak's been on a roll lately

Posted by: Vicc | February 3, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Hall have like 100 tackles last year?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

He had 95. Reid Doughty had 93, and we all seem to think he isn't a great FS. Its not the number of tackles, I said "sure tackler" that means you don't whiff on a WR in open space when they catch the ball 6 feet in front of you.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Frack
I respectfully disagree. A FS needs to be able to play over top coverage and a sure tackler. Hall does neither of these things well.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 3, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Hall have like 100 tackles last year?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Pushing a wr out of bounds does not take a physical fs. FS's need to scare a wr into dropping the ball. And DH does not come up and put a hit on a RB breaking past a LB. I like DH, but he is not a FS.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"Howdy A Big Pile of Shti Show"? Besides maybe Mr. Frak.

Posted by: BlackBagOps

And , I'm 'bout to smoke me a big pile of shti, show 'nuff..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

From the Examiner.Com

http://www.examiner.com/world-news-in-national/egypt-s-iron-fisted-tactics-continue-through-violence-and-control-of-media

Egypt’s iron fisted tactics continue through violence and control of media

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and the pro-Mubarak forces continued on Thursday in their attempt to quell Egyptian protesters by means traditionally used by tyrannical dictators: ... the arrest of journalists both foreign and domestic,....

From Yahoo Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Dan-Snyder-is-trying-to-get-a-newspaper-reporter?urn=nfl-315778


Dan Snyder is trying to get a newspaper reporter fired

By Chris Chase

.... Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder is trying to get a newspaper reporter fired for printing a critical article about him last November.
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Posted by: reader51 | February 3, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

" And DH does not come up and put a hit on a RB breaking past a LB. I like DH, but he is not a FS.

Posted by: frediefritz "

This comment has some validity, but the strong safety (LL) works the box, not the free safety and DeAngelo, who seems to be snakebit at CB, mostly by Manning and Manningham, has improved his tackling over the past year..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Since the topic of FS has come up...Check out this link..

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/31/1967306/could-the-future-at-fs-already-be-on-the-team

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Nah, like they did with Dieon, he might just be better playing off another top big ego receiver.

But, he sure might be able to read QBs with the freedom at free safety..I know, "Freedom Is Not Free", like some Big Brother militroid's t-shirt said in a used record shop recently...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Hall hate kills me.

You know where DeAngelo might be best suited? WR

But seriously, I've never seen a Probowl corner hated as much as D-Hall. Especially by fans of the team he plays for.

Mind-boggling

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

If the Drunken Viking Diesel remembers, I still can't believe that Barnes is listed at 6'1"...He looks like Banks brother..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

" And DH does not come up and put a hit on a RB breaking past a LB. I like DH, but he is not a FS.

Posted by: frediefritz "

This comment has some validity, but the strong safety (LL) works the box, not the free safety and DeAngelo, who seems to be snakebit at CB, mostly by Manning and Manningham, has improved his tackling over the past year..


Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Your FS has deep coverage, but if a running play breaks through LB's( and SS), FS has to make a hit in open field. This type of tackle is very different from pushing a wr out of bounds. I just don't think DH should play FS. Yes, he has great hands and can pick of an over-throw. But I think he is better at cb.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 10:02 PM |

The prob, like they said before, is that the dude would need a GPs device to locate the weight room.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Well hopefully normal RI peeps who I enjoy reading from can remove puppets or blog police can do this....

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 3, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I know, "Freedom Is Not Free", like some Big Brother militroid's t-shirt said in a used record shop recently...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:09 PM |

I like "The Price of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance" myself.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Since the topic of FS has come up...Check out this link..

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/31/1967306/could-the-future-at-fs-already-be-on-the-team

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse
I know your idea is that KB will be our FS. Just remember that KM outweighs KB by 32#. That's a huge difference when it comes to playing 16 games. I'm hopeful Moore will be healthy, and we can see what he can do.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 3, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I concede the tackling part, fredie. He ain't no Ryan Clark , and he SHO' NUFF ain't no Sean Taylor..None of the free safeties in this draft really sticks out..Let the coaches find the diamond in the rough..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: reader51 | February 3, 2011 9:56 PM |

Dude - good point. I didn't see that parallel until you pointed it out.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"The Price of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance"

..Easily misinterpreted or hijacked as "The Price Of Freedom Is Eternal War", sall I'm sayin'...

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Well hopefully normal RI peeps who I enjoy reading from can remove puppets or blog police can do this....

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 3, 2011 10:19 PM |

When they get back from Egypt helping out Hoser Mubarak they'll get right to it.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Jesus. 12 deg outside. No jogging tonight!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | February 3, 2011 10:36 PM | Report abuse

re: City Paper

Snyder's just outta line..It's usually a case of "Can dish abuse out, but can't take it", with these rich dudes , anyway..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

We are not going to find another player like Sean Taylor. He was a once in a lifetime player(Butkus, Taylor, Lott etc.).

Landry is our enforcer back there now. If we can just find a ballhawk I'll be happy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 3, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

frak/BBO/freddie- He's a legit 6'1 as measured at the combine. No "playbook" height nonsense. He needs to hang around Landry for the next 4 months...Gym, Tan, Landry for Barnes. At 6'1 he has the frame to add 15 lbs. Most FS are in the 200lb range.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 3, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Diesel-
I'd agree he needs to "bulk up", his shoulders look kinda rounded, which would account for the broken bones sufferred when he hit Jahvid..15 lbs of muscle is a viable goal..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Slap the tag on McKenna!

Posted by: Redskinrex | February 3, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Everybody hear about the Iggles new d coordinator? This should be fun.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Chris is straight up Cherokee from North Carolina...All-Pro History non-pareiled...Would hit high and wrassle the sumb*tch down like a bear...Always lead in tackles...

Posted by: frak | February 4, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's just outta line..It's usually a case of "Can dish abuse out, but can't take it", with these rich dudes , anyway..

Posted by: frak | February 3, 2011 10:42 PM |

There you go again, talking about things you have no knowledge of. Why don't you stick to commenting on homeless library card carriers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I just want to say something. I like reading everyones take on the Redskins but I think that Mistamoe,Diesel44,IH8dallas.scambell1975 are the best posters on this blog. For me they all seem to say something that I always agree with...just my opinion i'm not trying to hate on anyone voicing their opinion but I just want to tell those posters to keep up the good work at least in my opinion.

Posted by: wattsicon | February 4, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Careful man, frak will call you something crazy for agreeing with me or Diesel44...but thanks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 12:53 AM | Report abuse

psyops training DUO...take 5....

Posted by: frak | February 4, 2011 12:58 AM | Report abuse

snyder and mubarek...
just saying

Posted by: reader51 | February 3, 2011 9:10 PM |

Wow.

reader51 and jackass...
just saying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 12:59 AM | Report abuse

wattsicon was always a bit of a dim bulb...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | February 4, 2011 1:01 AM | Report abuse

psyops training DUO...take 5....

Posted by: frak | February 4, 2011 12:58 AM |

retard asshead training NOW...take 254,678...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

But I am not 'skins' or 'perineum'.

I am mistamoe, madmoe, and gimmiesummoe.

I decided the different handles would allow me to say the same things wearing different screen name-masks.

And as no one ever reads my posts, this strategy, like my poor sense of humor, has failed.

And so, I will adopt another screen name to garner the world's attention: mubarackmoe

And like him, you probably want me to leave, even though I don't want to go.

Posted by: MistaMoe


I, on the other hand, am Spartacus!

Posted by: TheCork | February 4, 2011 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think Rob Jackson has a good shot at nailing down the other OLB spot (and being a pretty good one)?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 3, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Good eye, I was wondering if anyone saw how beastly he was before he made the IR.

Posted by: WishboneJr | February 4, 2011 1:22 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER LAWSUIT


Its just a losing proposition on so many fronts.

As for the intervention, there are lots of 'behind the scenes' ways to intervene. For example, a minority owner can threaten Danny with taking something public that would embarrass Danny. Goodell (a lawyer himself) can offer an 'off the record' conversation regarding the foolishness of this suit and the greater damage that could result.

Posted by: zcezcest1


Well put. Altho I believe much of the "greater damage" has already resulted/ As the old saying goes--it's never smart to get into a war or words with something that buys ink by the carload.

A column in a DC newspaper with limited reach has now--thanks to Snyder's lawsuit--gone national, on Super Bowl week yet.

And as some other poster pointed out, the charge of anti-semitism by a guy who owns a team called the "Redskins" is the definition of "Glass houses."

What Snyder has assured is that millions of people who had no idea of some of the allegedly untoward things he's done as an owner are now aware of them.

This will earn him few friends. And in what appears to be an alleged intimidation of a newspaper will not endear him to the media any more than he is now.

This man makes it very very difficult to root for the Redskins.

Posted by: TheCork | February 4, 2011 1:29 AM | Report abuse

OH LORD, CORK, LIKE BIG MAMA SAID IN "HAIRSPRAY"

Posted by: frak | February 4, 2011 1:34 AM | Report abuse

SNYDER LAWSUIT

This story is --as the kids say--going viral. Dude with handle "Scouts Honor" posts a comment pointing out a certain irony in the Redskins owner's lawsuit playing the antisemitism card, and it gets picked up by "Gawker" as the "Comment of the Day."

http://gawker.com/5751257/comment-of-the-day-the-pain-of-the-redskin

And then of course there are oodles of comments on Gawker about that.

The bell has been rung. Good luck unringing it Mr. Snyder.

And then of course there are oodles of comments on Gawker about that.

The bell has been rung. Good luck unringing it Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: TheCork | February 4, 2011 2:02 AM | Report abuse

I believe much of the "greater damage" has already resulted/


Posted by: TheCork

A lot of damage has been done -- and really can't be undone.

But can you imagine former Snyder employees being interviewed and testifying? Daily blow by blow coverage on all the local stations? The discovery that will force Danny to hand over memos to City Paper -- that'' be like giving City Paper a GPS to find their way around Snyder's inner circle.

And Danny filed suit in NY, probably because he doesn't want a local jury. But this isn't a story in NY. So there goes the gag order, which means more headlines for a much longer period. But this time, the audience won't be the 80,000 or so that City Paper claims as its circulation. Nope, that audience will be in the millions

There is plenty more damage that can follow.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 4, 2011 3:25 AM | Report abuse

And as some other poster pointed out, the charge of anti-semitism by a guy who owns a team called the "Redskins" is the definition of "Glass houses."

Posted by: TheCork | February 4, 2011 1:29 AM


Ugh...tell ya what...how about nobody says "Redskins is racist" anymore until A) you have valid research to back it up and B) you take that same white guilt and apply it to the BLATANTLY offensive Cleveland Indians' name and logo. Deal?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 6:03 AM | Report abuse

And Danny filed suit in NY, probably because he doesn't want a local jury.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 4, 2011 3:25 AM

The Georgetown Law professor who spoke yesterday on the Kojo Naamdi show thought he filed suit in New York as a way of increasing the legal expenses for the City Paper. Remember the big threat in Donovan's letter was "we have deep pockets and can ruin you financially."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 6:07 AM | Report abuse

nobody says "Redskins is racist" anymore until A) you have valid research to back it up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 6:03 AM

This would be the same sort of research that backs up the claim that the picture of Snyder was anti-Semitic -- the indignant outrage of a tribal elder who's raising funds for the Chief Geronimo Center.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 6:17 AM | Report abuse

what an insecure little man DS is. If the story is untrue who cares, if not, who cares? This lawsuit makes him look foolish.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 4, 2011 6:24 AM | Report abuse

This would be the same sort of research that backs up the claim that the picture of Snyder was anti-Semitic -- the indignant outrage of a tribal elder who's raising funds for the Chief Geronimo Center.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 6:17 AM

Yeah, sure...let me know when that guy shows up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 6:32 AM | Report abuse

I hope Danny puts on his very best suit before he walks into the pen and starts wrestling with meekest piglet he can identify.

I thought Riggo took a little chunk out of his legacy when he made his "dark heart" comment. Most fans thought that was a little too far to go in describing an inept and narcissistic owner of a football team. Between suing 40 year season ticket holding grandmas who've fallen on hard times and extorting small publications with bankruptcy because of his thin skin...he seems determined to redeem that little chunk of Riggins' legacy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 4, 2011 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think Rob Jackson has a good shot at nailing down the other OLB spot (and being a pretty good one)?

I am of a mind that out of Robjax, Chris Wilson, Robert Henson, Lo Alexander, and Perry Riley, we might find a very capable olb and ilb.

Jackson really fits the mould of linebacker cited in an article about Pittsburgh Steelers 'backers earlier this week: they draft 'tweener 4-3 college d-ends and convert them to linebackers.

But for any of our linebackers to really excel, we need some beefy type linemen who occupy blockers.

And this draft is awash with quality NT, D-ends, and DTs.

I say we should walk away from the upcoming draft with at least a NT and athletic college 3-4 defensive end or swing defensive tackle who can play some end.

Big guys who create havoc on protection schemes make linebackers look good, regardless of the quality.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 4, 2011 7:19 AM | Report abuse

We definitely need some quality defensive linemen.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse


chris hanburger's pictures this morning brought a smile to my face.

you don't have to be a redskin fan to believe he belongs in the HOF, his credentials and play on the field makes him an inductee. his contribution to the community are priceless.

yes to #55 in the hall

“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn't neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.”

John Hannah, OG - NE patriots

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I am pleased with the play of Carriker and Anthony Bryant.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Morning Hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Big guys who create havoc on protection schemes make linebackers look good, regardless of the quality.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 4, 2011 7:19 AM


Wow...building the team from the line of scrimmage on back. Just crazy enough to work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 7:33 AM | Report abuse


Morning Hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 7:30 AM |
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back at ya ih8 (hess). hope everyone across the board has a SUPER weekend !

HTTR!!!

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

We definitely need some quality defensive linemen.


Charlie Sheen: Well, I'm probably the best line man there is in the bidness right now.

Draft me and once the game is over, there won't be any white lines on the field for folks to complain about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse


Big guys who create havoc on protection schemes make linebackers look good, regardless of the quality.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 4, 2011 7:19 AM


Wow...building the team from the line of scrimmage on back. Just crazy enough to work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 7:33 AM |
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let's make this happen or we'll all go crazy.

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'm probably the best line man there is in the bidness right now.

Draft me and once the game is over, there won't be any white lines on the field for folks to complain about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 7:57 AM

Somewhere, Michael Irvin is asking his lawyer if he's got a case for copyright infringement...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Wow...building the team from the line of scrimmage on back. Just crazy enough to work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 7:33 AM |
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let's make this happen or we'll all go crazy.

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

SAVE THE DIVE ASS WHALES!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Sure, the lawsuit is silly. Having said that, I can't believe anyone defends the City Paper. It's a fugging rag that is propped up by the advertisements bought by escort services.

City Paper = Poor man's Village Voice.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 4, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

from the top:

Moss is productive but 32 years old.

Indeed.

Franchise tagging a 32 year old receiver (that's the going rumor) who will probably re-sign without much of a fight is kinda senseless.

Unless, of course, Santana sees ARE in the Super Bowl--again-- and says to himself, "You know what? I'm better than that guy, but he's tasted the big stage."

"Maybe I should hit the market and go to a possible Super Bowl team that might need a committed, professional receiver."

And you can't blame him if he feels that way.

Santana Moss has been nothing but a model citizen during his redskin tenure.

Yes, he had the Dr. Galea slip up.

But he doesn't run his mouth, make demands for the ball, or manufacture the showy and annoying egocentric media displays so many other good receivers produce on the regular.

He was Jason Campbell's 'go-to' guy, but as they we rarely on the same page, that relationship never got the chance to reach it's potential.

He had a fine year with Mark Brunell catching a ton 'o sideline screen passes.

All told, since the trade from the jets that made him a redskin, Moss has produced despite the uneven quarterback play and lack of a true threat opposite him.

Portis was the team's face while Moss is all heart.

And professionalism.

Fans must realize that unless the team makes some kind of significant upgrade at the wide receiver postion, Moss hitting the open market would totally re-shift draft/FA priorities as the guys behind him are untested.

And one, MK12, never healthy enough to help out.

So while Dan Snyder flaunts his imagined injuries to the D.C. media, you have to hope the bidness people pull Santana in-house and get him signed before the labor mess hits the NFL.

We're not saying he should be paid like he is the Franchise.

But Santana Moss is of a value to the team that makes him worthy to be tagged.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Here's a laugher...Kurt Warner talking out his neck saying that Big Ben isn't a HoFer. Coming from the guy with only 5 good years out of the 12 he played...incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse


We're not saying he should be paid like he is the Franchise.

But Santana Moss is of a value to the team that makes him worthy to be tagged.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 8:23 AM |
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santana moss is without a doubt an nfl WR with his head planted firmly on his shoulders. love the work he does with children too. like to see him resigned and finish his career as a redskin.

the redskins don't need a big money FA WR. they need another WR that can run a good route, get open, and catch the ball. you can find this player without breaking the bank or bringing in a head case

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

the redskins don't need a big money FA WR. they need another WR that can run a good route, get open, and catch the ball. you can find this player without breaking the bank or bringing in a head case

we have this guy, his name is Anthony Armstrong...

Moss isn't a #1, and Armstron isn't a #2...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

hess

the redskins don't need a big money FA WR. they need another WR that can run a good route, get open, and catch the ball.

An obvious point that has escaped people is that the wide receiver position is one where solid contributors can be found without spoiling draft picks.

The Super Bowl features, if I'm right, one 3rd rounder--Jordy Nelson. The rest of the players are solid guys who can catch, avoid the first hit, and have size.

The packers receivers are all carbon copies of Sterling Sharpe: big, not so fast, superior hands and strenght.

The steelers receivers are complete no-names who blocks, have speed, and possess game saving playmaking ability.

Seeing how there is so much passing in college football today, good receivers, like running backs used to, exist in abundance.

I bet we collect 2-3 undrafted nobodies at the wr position this Spring, and locate another gem like AA.

TAustin may have a step up year as well.

You don't need a 1-3 round receiver anymore.

But you must have 3-4 solid playmakers out on the edges--it's a passing league, remember.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

one 3rd rounder--Jordy Nelson.

2nd rounder, same year/round as DT/MK...I was a big fan of this guy and wished the skins drafted him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Moss isn't a #1, and Armstron isn't a #2...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 8:44 AM


Agree on Armstrong, but Moss has proven he's a legit #1 WR...not a "carry your entire passing game by himself" kinda #1 WR, but a legit #1 nonetheless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse


we have this guy, his name is Anthony Armstrong...

Moss isn't a #1, and Armstron isn't a #2...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 8:44 AM |
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greg, with moss and armstrong on the field, we'll of course need a third receiver to compliment them. it's not so much a matter of who is #1 or #2, rather, who can be productive enough to compliment those two receivers.

I'm no GM or scout, but these receivers are out their, and if our FO staff is what it has been advertised as, they can find that receiver.

Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Moss and AA running around out there if we had an attention grabbing number one threat.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Sure, the lawsuit is silly. Having said that, I can't believe anyone defends the City Paper. It's a fugging rag that is propped up by the advertisements bought by escort services.

City Paper = Poor man's Village Voice.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 4, 2011 8:18 AM

Not living in the DMV, I'm not aware of the City Paper or it's reputation or how seedy it's advertisers are. However, I did click on the link an read the article. Suing is really stupid on Snyder's part. He's single-handedly ensured that about 1,000 times more people are aware of and have read an article he hated about himself. That being said, after reading it, I see why it got to Snyder. It's like an avalanche. Some of the points are kind of silly and should have been omitted because they detract from the larger and slimier parts. It's a very effective piece.

Posted by: MColeman51 | February 4, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse


Here's a laugher...Kurt Warner talking out his neck saying that Big Ben isn't a HoFer. Coming from the guy with only 5 good years out of the 12 he played...incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 8:32 AM |
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jealous bones maybe ?


Posted by: hessone | February 4, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

kinda semantics brown, but you get my point, moss would be better served out of the slot/#2, armstrong would be better served as the #3, AA is an unknown, and to call him anything else is premature at best at this point....the need for a front line WR is among the biggest needs this team has....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

PlayAction

I'd love to see Moss and AA running around out there if we had an attention grabbing number one threat.


Some week's ago, the Post listed a thread featuring possible FA wide receivers.

And whereas I like the idea of adding a Holmes-Jackson, I'd prefer to take the money one guy would get and add two 2nd tier established receivers.

Maybe you don't need a big #1 receivers if you can put 3 very solid # 2's on the field plus CC/FD.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

The City Paper definitely owes Snyder some compensation.

If not for Snyder's reaction, millions of people would have never heard of McKenna or read his article.

City Paper should put Dan on the payroll!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 4, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you don't need a big #1 receivers if you can put 3 very solid # 2's on the field plus CC/FD.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 9:05 AM

The Skins left waaay too many #2's on the field last season. Solid, mushy, every kind imaginable.

Poopy McPoop, can I get a witness? Testify!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 4, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Walter Football says the 'SKINS will pick a q-back in the first round, and LEONARD HANKERSON, a MIAMI wide-out in the second. I thought MALCOLM KELLY was already on the roster. Another second round pick at WR.....plueeze.

How about a d-lineman instead, or a FS in the first? HALL would improve drastically if an ERIC BERRY had his back deep. That is if a safety of his caliber is even available this year. Even a linebacker for the defense to replace ROCKY Mac maybe.

A good FA pick if he makes it through the draft would be KEVIN GRAYSON from my alma mater the UNIVERSITY of RICHMOND. At 6' 2+" 210, with average speed [4.47 best in the 40] and great hands, he could be that under the radar player the franchise needs.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 4, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

We had a #1 in Receiver, The - but he couldn't make it on the field... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 4, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I believe AA is legit.

He made several DBs look silly last year.

Teams had plenty of time and film to have a book on him.

He's sneaky and quick.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

pa, AA could turn out to be a player, but I'm not sure that he wouldn't be better suited to the #3, than the #2...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

It's a very effective piece.


Posted by: MColeman51 | February 4, 2011 9:00 AM |
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Fang jobs always are.

Look, it's a dinky little paper with low-rent "reporters" on the staff; I get that.

But if you want to expose Snyder, the rational - and ultimately more effective - method is to simply list off his failures as owner: the hirings, the firings, the bad contracts, the perpetual LOSING.

Tossing in asides and innuendo re his wife (who is a breast cancer survivor) and drawing crude images of Snyder (as if admitting that your readers are too stupid to get the gist of the piece and need visual aids) is unnecessary, and only detracts from the more salient points, i.e., that Snyder (until recently) has squandered his opportunities as Redskins owner by insisting on having his untrained hand in everything.

I actually hope Snyder wins, because the suit says he'll give the $2 million to the homeless. God knows they need it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 4, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Moss and AA aren't #1's for 1 simple reason. They aren't big enough or physical enough to outmuscle defenders for the ball. These big receivers like Calvin Johnson and Andre Johnson are number 1's because they are always open. Even if there's a guy on them you can still throw to them. When our receivers are covered we have to throw the ball away. We can't ever throw a jump ball. We need a receiver like that so we can throw a jump ball in the red zone. There isn't much room down there to get open.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I actually hope Snyder wins, because the suit says he'll give the $2 million to the homeless. God knows they need it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | February 4, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

And don't you know that's EXACTLY what he's hoping the majority will think.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 4, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

pa, AA could turn out to be a player, but I'm not sure that he wouldn't be better suited to the #3, than the #2...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 9:26 AM

Oh I agree...but don't tell him he's the number 3...he'll be the co-number 2.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Let Chris"Hands" Cooley walk. He is pp in the soup.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 4, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Let Chris"Hands" Cooley walk. He is pp in the soup.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 4, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Unless I'm mistaken, Snyder's legal point isn't the accuracies or inaccuracies of the article content, though they surely will be brought to evidence. I thought the basis for their complaint was in the CP employing that imagery (devil horns, etc.); that it was anti-semetic and was tantamount to hate crime.

I haven't read the complaint yet, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 4, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Next post please...I have my coin ready.

Oh and a in-depth Super Bowl preview video would be nice.

Go Packers!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

DS, it's a defamation lawsuit. The anti-semitism charge is just icing on the cake.

Snyder’s counsel is disputing the factual accuracy of the story charging there are “many blatantly false, misleading or simply irrelevant items” in the story and that the claim that Snyder was caught “forging names as a telemarketer with Snyder Communications” is “probably the most obviously reckless and false statement.”

Posted by: Alan4 | February 4, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Alan. I don't think they'll win on those claims. I'm sure the journalist has some basis for his posts, correct or incorrect.

The anti-semitism is a valid claim, if not actionable.

But, of course, his purpose isn't to mount an actual case, but to cost the company enough $$ that they fire the guy... could work.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 4, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

alan4

The Skins left waaay too many #2's on the field last season.

LOL: but we still had a top passing attack with all those number 2's.

And when you have a #1 type tight end (CC), the #2's wr's can satisfy.

The packers, for example, don't really feature a #1 as their elite (there's that word again!) quarterback puts the ball in a place wwhere their #2 receivers can all make plays.

And that, to me, is not a bad design of offense....provided you can get us an accurate mid range passer in round 2.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Moe, the whole season was pretty much a number 2 on the field, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 4, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

After 16 Seasons, Goodbye to a Gamer

Andy Pettite has retired from the Yankees.

The Core 4 is now the Treacherous 3.

Folks want Jeter to play centerfield.

Jorge Posada won't be the primary catcher.

Mariano Rivera will relieve sparingly for two years, then retire.

The Evil Empire is about to undergo a youth movement.

Thing is, the little devils they bring in will insure nothing but a 3rd or 4th place finish.

And for a Yankee fan, anything that's not 1st place is Hell.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

one 3rd rounder--Jordy Nelson.

2nd rounder, same year/round as DT/MK...I was a big fan of this guy and wished the skins drafted him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 4, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

If I remember correctly, kerzon was screaming for us to draft Jordy at #2. But that's water under the bridge.

I agree that SM and AA are better suited at 2 and 3. But I agree with Moe, that what we need is good depth at wr. We don't need to break the bank to get a FA.

AA has shown that he can get open deep. But I'm not sure he is a possession receiver.

As far as red zone jump balls, use our TE's. And dare I say it, maybe MK can get on the field this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 4, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

We had a top passing attack until we got into the red zone. Then we were a bottom third of the league offense.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Moss is a # 1. Armstrong is a # 2.

If you want a big, physical receiver, that's fine, I do too.

But Moss puts up #1 numbers,thus making him a # 1.

Trust me, if Moss wasn't 5'9 we wouldn't be having this conversation.

It's height discrimination.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The reviled Randle-El welcomed with love by a real team. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/02/04/sports/football/AP-FBN-Super-Bowl-Returning-Steelers.html?ref=football

I guess if Superman were brought to the Redskins the team would be one big block of kryptonite to him.

Posted by: edwcorey | February 4, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

It's height discrimination.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I know what you mean. All my sock puppets pick on this one unnamed puppet that's shorter and wimpier than all the rest. PlayAction, I mean that unnamed puppet, just wets himself and runs to his room. Very sad.

SAVE THE WIMPY SHORT PEOPLE!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Moss puts up #1 yards but not #1 TDs. That's why he's not a #1. He's tied for 29th in Tds. In my mind that makes him a #2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | February 4, 2011 10:21 AM

You remember correctly fredie...about died when they drafted three pass catchers and not one named Jordy Nelson.

F Vinny and of course F the cowgirls.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 4, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Moss puts up #1 yards but not #1 TDs. That's why he's not a #1. He's tied for 29th in Tds. In my mind that makes him a #2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Matter of opinion.

I read somewhere that Andre Johnson has never had more than 9 TD in a season.

I guess he's not a number 1 either.

Brandon Marshall must not be a number 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

PlayAction, I mean that unnamed puppet, just wets himself and runs to his room. Very sad.

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM

Hey...its not my fault that there's a hole in your sock puppet!

I think beep has docked your paycheck for being out yesterday...so much for sundays beer money!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I guess if Superman were brought to the Redskins the team would be one big block of kryptonite to him.

Posted by: edwcorey | February 4, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe you are likening Randel El to Superman? Let's pick another super hero, maybe I see him as Robin, and instead of kryptonite we are sexy women, cause no way that dude is straight. Randel El does kinda look like the black Lex Luther when he shaves his head. Just sayin.....

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Matter of opinion.

I read somewhere that Andre Johnson has never had more than 9 TD in a season.

I guess he's not a number 1 either.

Brandon Marshall must not be a number 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

9 TDs is 3 more than Santana had. 9 TDs is still in the top half of the league. Andre is in the top half in both TDs and Yards. Santana is not.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think beep has docked your paycheck for being out yesterday...so much for sundays beer money!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 4, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, not the beer money!!! I've been putting in overtime this week, so maybe it'll make up for it.

Sorry, the little monkster had to get tubes in his ears, too many ear infections!

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

But, of course, his purpose isn't to mount an actual case, but to cost the company enough $$ that they fire the guy... could work.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 4, 2011 10:08 AM

No, it actually can't work. Most papers have insurance against liability. But even if they didn't, Snyder has no case. The standards to "prove" liable are very high and that article doesn't meet them. Most likely, there will be a summary dismissal of the case. At least, this is the take of the Georgetown Law School professor on yesterday's Kojo Naamdi show.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Moss puts up #1 yards but not #1 TDs. That's why he's not a #1. He's tied for 29th in Tds. In my mind that makes him a #2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Matter of opinion.

I read somewhere that Andre Johnson has never had more than 9 TD in a season.

I guess he's not a number 1 either.

Brandon Marshall must not be a number 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 4, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Semantics. SM has been our #1 for last 6 years. He's only missed 6 games in the last 9 seasons. But he will be 32 when season starts.

I definitely want to resign him, but not franchise him. When we use 2 wr, I would have him on the field. When we have 3 wr, I would prefer to use him in the slot.

I don't feel we need to sign VJackson, although it would be nice. If we could sign 2 sure-handed receivers for the same money, I would prefer that. Having 2 allows a backup when a hammie is pulled, or an ankle is twisted. WR's frequently get banged up, so having 2 for the price of 1 would be great. There may well be some good wr's in FA. James Jones GB, Michael Sim-Walker Jac, and Lance Moore NO have all been mentioned as possibilities.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 4, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

No, it actually can't work. Most papers have insurance against liability. But even if they didn't, Snyder has no case. The standards to "prove" liable are very high and that article doesn't meet them. Most likely, there will be a summary dismissal of the case. At least, this is the take of the Georgetown Law School professor on yesterday's Kojo Naamdi show.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow, who knew they had started teaching law at Burger College, look at the brain on beep!

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Nice job Albert....Road Rage, really?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 4, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Happy Chinese New Year (Year of the Rabbit), peeps!

I'm all about the Chinese zodiac now that the western zodiac added a thirteenth sign and made me an Ophiuchus.

Posted by: dcsween | February 4, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Nice job Albert....Road Rage, really?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 4, 2011 11:00 AM

That $21M must be burning a hole in his pocket. He's looking for ways to get sued.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 4, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | February 4, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to have Braylon Edwards. I think he would complement our existing receivers quite well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth Road Rage Incident!!!!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | February 4, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Albert Haynsworth proves like Dan Snyder just did, a leopard can't change it's spots. Pair of bottom feeders that deserve each other.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 4, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Walter Football says the 'SKINS will pick a q-back in the first round, and LEONARD HANKERSON, a MIAMI wide-out in the second. I thought MALCOLM KELLY was already on the roster. Another second round pick at WR.....plueeze.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 4, 2011 9:15 AM

Just because Malcolm Kelly might be back doesn't mean the Skins are fine and locked up at WR. A serious team needs more than three receivers (Moss, Armstrong, Cooley ... and MAYBE Kelly). Serious teams have seven viable receivers, see Green Bay or New Orleans.

Posted by: dcsween | February 4, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

We need a big, fast, #1 receiver so that Moss doesn't have to split wide.

It said in an interview that they are planning on using him in the slot most of the time next year. He can't get off defenders and double/triple teams when he's out wide, he needs to be close to the line and next to the OLinemen so he can move around and get open using various pick plays, slants, shallow crosses, etc.

I'm pretty sure we'll land Sydney Rice or Vincent Jackson. Since we have Moss, Armstrong, Austin and Banks (and that doesn't count Malcom Kelly), it would make sense to just pick up 1 great WR instead of 2 good ones, there's not enough room on the roster for another receiver, plus we need someone with big play ability.

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we'll land Sydney Rice or Vincent Jackson.

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 11:08 AM

Agreed that we will, and that it will turn out badly. WR is already a diva position as it is. Go for top talent like VJax or Rice and end up with what you paid for, see Lloyd.Brandon or T.O. and every other attitude signing where the buyer did not beware.

The guys they should target are James Jones or Malcolm Floyd ... but the guys they WILL target are Vincent Jackson or Sidney Rice. If they're going to do that, they might as well make a play for Ochocinco. The guy they REALLY should target (if they want proven talent and don't care much about history), and only plan to rely on for a two year deal, is Plaxico Burress.

Posted by: dcsween | February 4, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

All good things must come to an end.

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | February 4, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Moss puts up #1 yards but not #1 TDs. That's why he's not a #1. He's tied for 29th in Tds. In my mind that makes him a #2.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 10:33 AM

Dude, is this serious? Brandon Marshall had 3 TDs this year...is he not a #1 WR?

The great Art Monk was denied Canton for almost a decade for this same kind of idiotic thinking...Monk never had double digit TDs in a season and only posted 8 TDs twice. So you're saying he's not a #1 WR?

TDs can factor into it, but you can't make that the primary thing. Moss hasn't had consistent QB play in Washington, and you saw how Marshall's numbers dropped without a legit starting QB. Bottom line, WR is a very dependent position and you can't just view TD totals in a vacuum like that.

I mean, next you'll tell me that short WRs can't be #1s....

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The reviled Randle-El welcomed with love by a real team. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/02/04/sports/football/AP-FBN-Super-Bowl-Returning-Steelers.html?ref=football

I guess if Superman were brought to the Redskins the team would be one big block of kryptonite to him.

Posted by: edwcorey | February 4, 2011 10:32 AM |

Yea, cuz comparing Randle El to Superman is always a good idea.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 4, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we'll land Sydney Rice or Vincent Jackson.

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 11:08 AM

Agreed that we will, and that it will turn out badly. WR is already a diva position as it is. Go for top talent like VJax or Rice and end up with what you paid for, see Lloyd.Brandon or T.O. and every other attitude signing where the buyer did not beware.

The guys they should target are James Jones or Malcolm Floyd ... but the guys they WILL target are Vincent Jackson or Sidney Rice. If they're going to do that, they might as well make a play for Ochocinco. The guy they REALLY should target (if they want proven talent and don't care much about history), and only plan to rely on for a two year deal, is Plaxico Burress.

Posted by: dcsween | February 4, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Bradon Lloyd to Rice or Jackson is unfair. Rice and Jackson are legitimate, proven #1 receivers. Brandon Lloyd was a scrub that still had stuff to prove, which naturally he did years later in Denver, that's the frickin story of our franchise now.

I'd rather have Rice cause he's younger and has less problems off the field than Jackson does.

Burress, aka The Human Target, is an interesting option, but one we should pass on. I know he hasn't played in a couple years, but he is still well into his 30's and has his own set of problems off the field. We're losing one 'practice problem' in Portis, and you want to pick up another one? Dude has injuries left and right and hardly ever practices, you think with him being 2 years older he can still go all week without practicing and play lights out on Sundays? Highly doubt it!

I would really like to have James Jones but don't think we have the room on the roster for 2 FA WR's.

All of this is moot anyway, I forgot our savior is coming back: Malcom Kelly! Championship!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 4, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Dude, is this serious? Brandon Marshall had 3 TDs this year...is he not a #1 WR?

The great Art Monk was denied Canton for almost a decade for this same kind of idiotic thinking...Monk never had double digit TDs in a season and only posted 8 TDs twice. So you're saying he's not a #1 WR?

TDs can factor into it, but you can't make that the primary thing. Moss hasn't had consistent QB play in Washington, and you saw how Marshall's numbers dropped without a legit starting QB. Bottom line, WR is a very dependent position and you can't just view TD totals in a vacuum like that.

I mean, next you'll tell me that short WRs can't be #1s....

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 4, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious? Marshall had 10 TDs the year before. When did I say my rule was 100% unbreakable and concrete? We're dealing with statistics and that implies trends. You think that just because you can find 1 example that somehow disproves a trend? Moss typically gets 3-6 TDs a year. Andre gets 8-9 every year. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you. Do you honestly deep down think that Santana Moss is just as good as Andre Johnson or Brandon Marshall? I mean really? We're trying to dispel rumors that Redskins fans aren't delusional and you guys aren't helping.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

the courtesy is to say "beep"

Posted by: dcsween | February 4, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

is this a trick question?

Franchise? Did you say Franchise?

Wouldn't Washington need to get a professional football team before they can start naming franchise players?

Lets put Tracee Hamilton on the story , that is if she is finished do her expose on roman numerals!

go packers!

Posted by: fairfaxgoper | February 4, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to have Braylon Edwards. I think he would complement our existing receivers quite well.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 4, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

PAskin, I'm not so crazy about Braylon. I think he drops too many passes. I'd much prefer a Lance Moore type of receiver, who catches everything he can get his hands on.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 4, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Agree, no franchise tags
Would agree with resigning:
Reed Doughty (the guy is just worth it)Santana Moss (keep the price down but he is effective, should be the slot guy though)
Portis as a third down back. He is the only RB that knows about picking up the blitz)
Rex Grossman (Starter or not, at least a good #2)
Carlos Rogers (Do not break the bank, you pay premiums for shutdown corners that can catch, he is a good corner, but not shutdown and has hands problems)
Chris Wilson (Only if they are going to let him on the field, would like to see him play more)
H.B. Blades (Does not fit a 3-4 and special teams is for the backups)

Let the rest go.

As for Free Agents, fill some holes with 20 somethings but don't act like we are looking for that missing SuperBowl piece. Some good young linemen (both sides) and LB's would be nice.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | February 4, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Top three priorities:
1. O-Line
2. O-Line
3. O-Line

Posted by: tcquinn1 | February 8, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

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