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Posted at 12:54 PM ET, 01/31/2011

Coin toss: Who should be quarterback in 2011?

By Washington Post Sports

The ink was barely dry on our post on the Pro Bowl game when a lively debate broke out right here on RI about what the Redskins should do about their quarterback situation next season.

zjenks got it started this morning with a simple little comment:

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

We couldn't say it better ourselves. Draft or free agency? Quarterback or other needs first?

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Jake Locker is still the pick at 10. he will be better than any of those other names you just mentioned.

Posted by: bobnowell | January 31, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Kepp Rex in effex until Ponder is ready.

You heard it here first (and probably last)

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna pull a Jerome Bettis in Detroit:

Headstails!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't wet your pants PA.

Rogers didn't get benched for getting burned once by one guy. He got benched for habitually getting burned on the same kind of route over the course of many different games against different receivers.

He gained the nick-name "Double Move" because he continually tried to jump the route when he saw the pump-fake on the receiver's first move. And then when asked about it gave the infamous answer "Nothin' you can do about it".

Kudos to him this year for finally figuring it out - now that he's almost 30 years old. There IS something you can do about it.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 1:06 PM |

That's not how CR22 got his nickname....

He got it after a game in which he'd been burned more than a couple times and once on a big play that ultimately decided the game.

CR22 was being interviewed in the locker room and asked about that last big play and CR22 stated, as if it were an acceptable excuse for which there should have been no question, "He put a double move on me."

Like the Cowbiotches, the nickname was self-proclaimed...then stuck.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My reply to "Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith."

None of the above.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | January 31, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Looking around furiously for a three sided coin...

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Newton is too big of a risk and I'm not so sure he totally fits this scheme.

Vince Young is a timebomb waiting to exploid, plus I think he's a little overrated.

Alex Smith is the way to go. He can battle Sexy Rexy for the starting job, with he should beat faster than beep-beep beating the grease off those fries! Pick up a QB later on in the draft, like the dude from Nevada or TCU, and use the 1st and 2nd round picks for Defense!

SAVE THE ANTHILLS!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

No...to anyone else's throwaway. We've seen that movie before.

I say Newton or Locker...

At some point people, this team is going to have to gamble on a young, franchise QB.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 31, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Coin toss: Who should be quarterback in 2011?

Easy question.

So far, Shanahan has worked like this: vet plays, bombs, then a younger player is tossed into the fray.

And with that being said, Rex starts, bombs, then John Beckis tossed into the fray.

And who rides the pine awaiting his turn behind Beck?

C Ponder, that's who.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Not to bad monk811...

I think your scenario is logical, except that I'm sick of not having that young franchise QB.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 31, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This is all going to be a wasted discussion when Marcell Dareus falls to us at #10 a la Brian Orakpo. We'll then take Jerrell Powe in the second round. Rex Grossman and what's left of Malcolm Kelly's legs will lead this team to an embarassing defeat in an NFC wild card game. It has been written.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Inception, The Town, or Heat.

I'm going with Heat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

zjenks got it started this morning with a simple little comment:

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

We couldn't say it better ourselves. Draft or free agency? Quarterback or other needs first?

By Washington Post Sports | January 31, 2011; 12:54 PM ET

Zounds like they got Zally Jenkins trolling the RI zite now.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

My inner Danny tells me to say Jeff George.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 31, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

zjenks got it started this morning with a simple little comment:

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.


By Washington Post Sports | January 31, 2011; 12:54 PM ET


This is a new direction in "cut and paste" blogging. The editors cut and paste comments and call it a thread.

Coming next:

1. Who is the biggest dooshbag on the team? (monkeymayonaise)

2. Why don't we get some guys who understand the team concept? (RedSkinHead)

3. Has Josh Freeman ever presented his "first and long" to a drunk girl in a hotel room on her birthday? (dcsween)

4. For real? (PlayAction)

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

We should simply draft O line and D line and the rest will take care of itself. Aka--Kurt Warner!

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | January 31, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Caught two movies over the weekend.
Inception- 2.5 out of 4 stars
The Town- 3 out of 4. Reminded me of a Boston version of Heat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 1:15 PM

Oh forgot today was Movie Monday...finally caught True Grit this weekend...3 thumbs up.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

dear editors

zjenks got it started this morning with a simple little comment:


Are things so bad that y'all are pilfering ideas from the peanut gallery?

And who is 'zjenks' anyways that y'all feel there's justice in pimpin' his notions for the subjects of your threads?

The question is lame as there have been about thousand "Newton or Locker" threads already in dis burg.

What, the next thread is going to be "Mubarack or Protesters: who should start qb for the redskins next season?"

DO YOUR JOBS AND FIND SOME INCENDIARY TOPICS FOR US TO CHAT ABOUT!!!

Stop stealin' ideas from bloggas.

Unless, of course, they have some good ones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Last year's second round/this year's third round QB is still on the roster.

NO first round QB for Shanahan until he accepts some responsibility for using two picks to draft a QB who he then pantsed in a huge way, completely screwing up any possibility of a trade.

Shanahan still owes some accountability for switching to thed 3-4. Payback is using the first round choice on a defender to make it work.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans love to obsess over QBs.

You would never think our glory years were led by multiple, second-tier, "good enough" QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We should simply draft O line and D line and the rest will take care of itself. Aka--Kurt Warner!

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | January 31, 2011 1:35 PM

Titans did the same thing and made Kerry Collins (a bad QB) look like a legitimate ADEQUATE QB!

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Inception, The Town, or Heat.

I'm going with Heat.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 1:32 PM |

I think Snyder would choose heat. Hell, he even applies DiNiro's life philosophy to his coaching staff duing his tenure as the team owner:

"Don't ever get attached to something you can't walk away from in 30 seconds if you feel the heat around the corner."

Of course, substitute "millions" for "seconds" and it's Snyder's approach to owning, hands down.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

dizzle44

Inception- 2.5 out of 4 stars

Inception is another example of a movie receiving a lot of swag just because it looks 'cool'.

I found myself laughing at the idiotic dialogue at that silly, cartoonish movie.

EXAMPLE:

"If we plant a dream in his mind, then he's more likely to follow through on it as he'll think it's his own idea."

Wha......?: whose else would he think it was when he woke up?

And they pay people 20 million per film to speak such drivel?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha. This could be the highest point of my life guys don't taking anything away from it.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

NO first round QB for Shanahan until he accepts some responsibility for using two picks to draft a QB who he then pantsed in a huge way, completely screwing up any possibility of a trade.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's put Shanny in a timeout, you bad boy. However many minutes long the timeout is will be based on how old you are. So I guess Shanny will sit out 90 minutes huh, is my math right?

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

None of them! Wait until the 2nd or 3rd round to draft a QB: Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick, Andy Dalton should all be there and there is a chance that Locker or Mallett fall. Draft Von Miller or Julio Jones with that pick = Play Maker or a Pass Rusher. Might as well keep Rex and gamble on one of the other QBs.

Posted by: Mwyrsch12 | January 31, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

That being said. Alex Smith actually doesn't look too terrible. I am pretty sure his contract is up and we wouldn't have to give anything up for him, he is a 60% completion career passer. Look at Aaron Rodgers, the first thing i look it in the college QBs is accuracy, and it looks like none are worth the 10th pick. I like Miller if he is there, or any lineman offensive or defensive.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 31, 2011 1:33 PM

I hope they pick mine next!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we all know by now that the 3 Redskins players in the Pro Bowl all played, by anyone's definition, awesomely!

I can't wait for a reporter to bring this to Jim Hazlenutt and ask if he knew they were playing in a 4-3!!!!!

Epic.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Stanza is a Tom Brady clone.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If I had to take one of those 3 id say newton

Plain and simple he would change the way defenses play us.

They would have to account for him everyplay which could take some scheming away from other players ie; moss/ sid rice or jon baldwin(fantasy land pick ups)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

None of these. Draft dalton or Stanzi. keep rex another and beef up interior line and recievers.

Posted by: joeortega4 | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Fill In The Blank

Coin toss: Who should____________ in 2011?

a. bang Megan Fox

b. be caught in a hotel room with Charlie Sheen and a bucket load of coke

c. tell Glenn Beck to STFU

D. grab a handful of Beyonce's azz

e. ban teeny-pop music

f. wonder whatever happened to real hip hop

g. stop all that damn snow from falling

h. encourage moe to do some other than post in this forum


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Upcoming movie: "Unknown" starring Liam Neeson.

First thought: looks like cheap knock off of the Bourne series with Matt Damon. Guy wakes up, doesn't know who is is, and now he's running from assassins.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

C Ponder, that's who.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh he is a Brady clone too.

Tom Brady
Height: 6 ft 4 in (1.93 m) Weight: 225 lb (102 kg

C Ponder
Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 228 lb (103 kg; 16 st 4 lb)

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there supposed to be some special new Monday feature on the DC craigslist rants and raves?

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's another one RI


Who would you trade and what would you take for em??

A. Mcnabb
B.Haynesworth
C. Hall
D. Carter
E. All of the above

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Here's another one RI


Who would you trade and what would you take for em??

A. Mcnabb
B.Haynesworth
C. Hall
D. Carter
E. All of the above

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:09 PM |

A. 5th
B. 5th
C. 3rd and a 5th (his stock rose a tad yesterday)
D. 5th
E. A Klondike Bar

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Response to the question posed.
Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith?


1. None of the above.
Cam Newton - Will die behind our line, and does not perform well when taking hits (go watch the film).
Vince Young - Has been.
Alex Smith - Never was.

If you want to draft a low round, QB this year, be my guest. Otherwise, the Redskins absolutely MUST get their lines in shape VIA THE DRAFT. You cannot win this game without young quality starters and solid backups. If you writers at the post knew your business, you would stop this QB/RB/WR nonsense now.

Posted by: murrayh | January 31, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Fill In The Blank

Coin toss: Who should____________ in 2011?

a. bang Megan Fox

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM |

Banger Vance.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

b. be caught in a hotel room with Charlie Sheen and a bucket load of coke


How does Charlie Sheen keep his job?

Dude makes $1.8 mil per episode of a show no one watches, gets caught with coke and stoned hookers just about every other day, but CBS has yet to put his behind on notice.

If NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS, WNBA, and MLB players lived such drug-addled lives, folks would scream 'think of the children' all day and nite.

And then, they'd go home, eat dinner, and settled down to watch "2 and A Half Men". without a care in the world.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's another one RI


Who would you trade and what would you take for em??

A. Mcnabb
B.Haynesworth
C. Hall
D. Carter
E. All of the above

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:09 PM | Report abuse

A. I would ask for a third rounder and if I didn't get it I'd keep him and allow him to compete for the starting job. He probably won't be traded because of the crappy contract.

B. I'd move him for at least a high third rounder. I'd then take that pick and draft Jerrell Powe.

C. Hall I would keep.

D. Carter would be traded for a ham sandwich or possibly packaged together with Haynesworth.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 31, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with saying NO to any of the 3 listed? In my warped NFL world, I'd build up the offense so they can't get to QB & RB nearly as easily as recent several years. Then, add to the defense line, 'Rak's lonely up there w/o other like-talented players. (note: not forgetting Fletcher but he isn't getting younger)Can the Grossman/Beck duo be good enough until we find the right combo of talent/price/works in Shanahan's system? Answer is IDK. But, IMO, trading valuable picks for another coach's old players with big name hasn't worked out very well for ol' DC. And a #1 Draft Pick QB (or other player) costs some $$$$, make it count the most and reinforce the broken wall before you get the QB.

Posted by: davedeltawhiskeybravo | January 31, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Personal

That would give us a great day 3 with (6) 5th rnd choices hahahah

We could fill a ton o needs with that.

Do u think we would get rid of all those guys??

Maybe throw cooley or davis in the trading mix too

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Quack! Quack! Quack! Quack! GOOOOOOO DUCKS!

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 31, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Fill In The Blank

Coin toss: Who should____________ in 2011?

h. encourage moe to do some other than post in this forum

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM |

Banger Vance

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

New RI Question:

"How many different variations of the same QB question can we come up with to keep you losers clicking on our blog the entire offseason so that we can maintain add-space revenue bucks?


A. An amount limited to the number of angles we can report on Jake Locker and Cam Newton?

B. An amount limited to the number of QBs that are being scouted in the draft?

C. An amount limited to the number of QBs in the draft AND in free agency?

D. An unlimited amount as you can see that we will simply cut-n-paste your blogging comments as new threads, thus creating an infinite feedback loop.


Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

How does Charlie Sheen keep his job?

Dude makes $1.8 mil per episode of a show no one watches....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:17 PM

It doesn't make me proud of my fellow Americans' viewing habits to say so...but I think Two and a Half Men is one of the top shows on TV.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's a new question for RI:

Who else is sick of these Alex Trebek wannabes?

Enough of this dooshbaggery.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

b. be caught in a hotel room with Charlie Sheen and a bucket load of coke

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM

Hey man, that's libelous ... it was a brief case.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

All you guys comparing Cam Newton to Vince Young and JaMarcus Russell are MORONS. How can you do that? They are TOTALLY different people! It's IMPOSSIBLE to say that Newton would be like ANY of those guys...


...but he's basically a Josh Freeman clone.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

And then, they'd go home, eat dinner, and settled down to watch "2 and A Half Men". without a care in the world.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:17 PM

Watching 2 And A Half Men is like watching a reality series, with the hard stuff (i.e., drugs) edited out.

Sheen represents the completely undisciplined, sex-without-consequences, devil-may-care alter-ego in many men. It's the unexplored lifestyle most of us chose to walk away from.

Watching him on the show, we wonder if we could have made different choices and managed to stumble into such dumb-luck success.

Watching him in the news, we know we'd probably be getting regular penicillin shots and spending lots of time in rehab.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

d) None of the above.

all of these QBs are mobile spread type offense types. None have the mechanics of a proficient drop back passer. Alex Smith is an obvious #1 overall bust. Vince Young is such a spoiled athlete he doesn't understand sports is about competition. Cam Newton fits in the same mold. At #10 you don't take a project. Cam newton is a project.

Posted by: oknow1 | January 31, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

mcoleman51

...but I think Two and a Half Men is one of the top shows on TV.


And a lot of the viewers of that show will say they don't watch pro sports because the athletes are terrible role models.

But they enjoy Charlie Sheen.

Why is that?


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't make me proud of my fellow Americans' viewing habits to say so...but I think Two and a Half Men is one of the top shows on TV.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 2:25 PM

Jersey Shore got renewed for a 4th season ... and Arrested Development got canned after the third.

"I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some people out there in our nation don’t have maps, and, uh, I believe that our education like such as in South Africa and, uh, the Iraq everywhere like, such as and I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., er, should help South Africa and should help the Iraq and the Asian countries, so we will be able to build up our future for our children.”

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton

Posted by: COskins | January 31, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Which guy is most likely to be caught tossing the other's salad:

a. Banger Vance

b. FrancoBegbie

c. both--69 is more than just a number, they say

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

...but he's basically a Josh Freeman clone.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse


Josh Freeman is a Rothlisburger clone. What happens when you clone a clone? PMichael Keaton showed us in Multiplicity.

The last thing we need is our Franchise QB running around looking for monkeys and chainsaws.

Damn

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If I had to take one of those 3 id say newton

Plain and simple he would change the way defenses play us.

They would have to account for him everyplay which could take some scheming away from other players ie; moss/ sid rice or jon baldwin(fantasy land pick ups)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse


This argument works only if we have a solid running game and true threat at receiver.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 31, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I suppose we all know by now that the 3 Redskins players in the Pro Bowl all played, by anyone's definition, awesomely!

I can't wait for a reporter to bring this to Jim Hazlenutt and ask if he knew they were playing in a 4-3!!!!!

Epic.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 1:58 PM

It's the pro bowl. But yes, an impressive job of holding them to 41 points.

I vote none of the above and think we should for trade our first round pick to Oakland for Jason Campbell. It would be good for this blog.

Posted by: mack1 | January 31, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

But what happens if/when these clones realize they are not original people but in fact clones.
Is this why the CBA is failing, or does this effect create better completion percentages?

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

...but he's basically a Josh Freeman clone.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse


Josh Freeman is a Rothlisburger clone. What happens when you clone a clone? PMichael Keaton showed us in Multiplicity.

The last thing we need is our Franchise QB running around looking for monkeys and chainsaws.

Damn

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse


True.

Another great reason to avoid Cam Newton in the draft.

The evidence just keeps piling up against him...

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Given the holes we have, the first two picks should be used on every down players. A QB is NOT such a position because it takes no skill to hand the ball off. So a QB is key for PASS plays. O-Linemen are key for EVERY down, regardless of pass or run. An every down defensive player would also be more useful than a project QB at this stage. Von Miller or Cameron Jordan in the first round. Rodney Hudson in the second round.

Posted by: kburrice | January 31, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

p_f brings up a good point that I was thinking about last night.

The NFC utilized the 4-3 last night. Did that have ANY bearing on how well the Redskins participants played in last nights game?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Jersey Shore got renewed for a 4th season ... and Arrested Development got canned after the third.


-Yeah and where the F*ck is the AD movie, that ish was supposed to drop years ago!!!!

Posted by: Stu27 | January 31, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Draft.

I'm tired of other teams problems.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 31, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

FREE OJ.........

Posted by: VicDamone | January 31, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Who would you trade and what would you take for em??

A. Mcnabb
B. Haynesworth
C. Hall
D. Carter
E. All of the above

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 31, 2011 2:09 PM |

McN and AH in a package deal to Philly for 3rd & 4th round picks. It works because:

1. Andy Reid ♥ McN.
2. Jim Washburn ♥ AH.
3. Eagles need Vick backup after trading Kevin Kolb away.
4. McN knows Eegs O.
5. Skins gain complete set of draft picks.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

23 YEARS AGO TODAY THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS WON THE 2ND OF THEIR 3 SUPER BOWLS

THAT'S RIGHT, I KNEW THAT WE WERE GOOD AT SOME POINT


HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 31, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And a lot of the viewers of that show will say they don't watch pro sports because the athletes are terrible role models.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:29 PM


Really? I stopped by a bar on an army post earlier this year and was surprised to see them showing 2AAHM on TV.

It was early (just after work), and no games were on, but normally they're showing sports.

I figured pro sports and 2AAHM get a very similar demographic of viewers.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

p_f brings up a good point that I was thinking about last night.

The NFC utilized the 4-3 last night. Did that have ANY bearing on how well the Redskins participants played in last nights game?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 2:38 PM |

You jest. It weren't a game dude - it were a Hawaiian Holiday.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If the choice is between Cam, VY, and Alex Smith - gotta go with Cam. VY fits Shanny's offense worse than McNabb and Alex Smith will hold clipboards and collect back-up paychecks for the next 10 years.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 31, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

What happens when you clone a clone?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 31, 2011 2:34 PM

Loss of hybrid vigor, vulnerability to catastrophic crop loss, and apples.

Seriously, apples are sour and come from Kazakhstan. The random tree that has sweet tasting fruit gets cloned and becomes a variety. Seeds from all apples make for the same type of apple tree ... the kind that produces the sour variety from Kazakhstan.

Oranges are a completely different story.

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The NFC utilized the 4-3 last night. Did that have ANY bearing on how well the Redskins participants played in last nights game?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 31, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes.

That and the fact that none of the other players gave a rat's behind about the game.

I think those were key factors.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:41 PM |

The prob with your suggestion is that McN's 2011 salary is $16 M. That would mean that the Eeeegs would be spending $36 M on the QB pos in 2011. Even with a friendly cap in the new CBO that's a hefty chunk of change.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | January 31, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

But they enjoy Charlie Sheen.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:29 PM

You got me there. But I have to say, I've never met someone who has expressed a appreciation for Charlie Sheen or called themselves a fan of him or his work. Have you? They simply ran into a show he was on...and they dig it and watch it regularly. If the next show he's on is a stinker...out with Charlie.

I do believe people have a double standard when it comes to athletes and entertainers. The Rolling Stones drug addled line-up is poked fun at, but loved and regarded as being of historical significance. MArk McGwire & Barry Bonds will probably never get into the Baseball HOF for suspected PED use. Maybe it's because we revere athletics and think it has intrinsic value...and actors and musicians are just monkeys that dance for our amusement when someone is grinding the organ??

Of course, double standards are nothing new WITHIN the sports world. When baseball players are caught with PED's it's the end of the world and sports fans act like they've been personally offended by it. When a football player get's caught it's "when can he come back?" A 3-1/2 hour football game is par for the course. A 3-1/2 hr baseball game means the entire sport needs to be blown up and started over from scratch.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

DO NOT DRAFT AN EARLY-ROUND QB!

lOOK FOR A GREAT RIGHT TACKLE, CENTER, GUARD OR PASS-RUSHER.

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | January 31, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

FREE OJ.........

Posted by: VicDamone | January 31, 2011 2:41 PM

... Atogwe.

Skins should trade their first round pick for a third round pick and some other team's first round pick next year. Skins should hoard picks now, focus on rounds 5-6-7 with LBs, linemen, and RBs, and take a flyer on the passing game for a year.

Discuss.

[Am I too obviously trying to zjenks my way onto the next thread?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I think if we don't get o-line help, it wouldn't matter if we had manning back there. You can't throw that well if you stay on your back.

Posted by: mikeym1 | January 31, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

That and the fact that none of the other players gave a rat's behind about the game.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 2:44 PM

That may be so, but these are some of the most talented and hyper-competitive athletes on the planet.

I'm confident none of them wants to be personally embarassed on the field, even if they don't really care about the game's outcome.

Ya gotta give credit for our guys playing well from an individual competitor standpoint, if not a team concept.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

alan4

The greater point is that a lot of the public holds athletes to a standard it doesn't have with other members of the entertainment industry.

There are people who will say they think the NBA is loaded with illiterate thugs who embrace poorly written Hollywood movies acted by performers who are in and out of rehab on the regular.

The double standard, from a sports fan perspective, is unsettling.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Focus on building this 3-4 defense and offensive line. They can draft a quarterback in the later rounds. I watched the senior bowl all week, Locker is garbage and not worth the pick at 10. I saw some stud linebackers , ends, and nose tackles we need to place focus there.

Posted by: BeatDontStop | January 31, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

But they enjoy Charlie Sheen.

Why is that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:29 PM

You got me there. But I have to say, I've never met someone who has expressed a appreciation for Charlie Sheen or called themselves a fan of him or his work. Have you? They simply ran into a show he was on...and they dig it and watch it regularly. If the next show he's on is a stinker...out with Charlie.

I do believe people have a double standard when it comes to athletes and entertainers. The Rolling Stones drug addled line-up is poked fun at, but loved and regarded as being of historical significance. MArk McGwire & Barry Bonds will probably never get into the Baseball HOF for suspected PED use. Maybe it's because we revere athletics and think it has intrinsic value...and actors and musicians are just monkeys that dance for our amusement when someone is grinding the organ??

Of course, double standards are nothing new WITHIN the sports world. When baseball players are caught with PED's it's the end of the world and sports fans act like they've been personally offended by it. When a football player get's caught it's "when can he come back?" A 3-1/2 hour football game is par for the course. A 3-1/2 hr baseball game means the entire sport needs to be blown up and started over from scratch.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 31, 2011 2:47 PM |

I met Sheen when I was visiting one of my college squeezes in Baltimore/Towson. We were at Gators on York Rd. and it was the time when they were filming the sequel to Major League ('93?).

I was playing pool at the table next to him and there was teenage and 20-something 'tang wall to wall. I asked him what it was like knowing he could take home any 4 chicks he wanted. As he chalked his cue, not even making eye contact with me, he said simply, "It's pretty cool."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the Senior Bowl? Locker looked like dog sh*t in the Senior bowl. I'm not a fan of Newton. After watching the Senior bowl pratices and the game, all I have to say is VON MILLER out of Texas A&M. He's a monster. Monster at 3-4, 4-3, blitzing and coverage. He's exactly what we need. I know everyone wants a QB and there isn't a OL worthy of #10 pick, but Miller is Brian Orakpo, but better. Just my opinion.

Posted by: hall_j | January 31, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Fat Albert straight up for Vince Young? I would!

Posted by: scott819 | January 31, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Stop the presses. Some REAL news here, Snooki is coming, Snooki is coming!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/around-town/events/Snookis-Coming-to-Washington-112725689.html

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Fat Albert straight up for Vince Young? I would!

Posted by: scott819 | January 31, 2011 3:00 PM |

I would trade him straight up for you. So, I guess, yeah.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 31, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

There are people who will say they think the NBA is loaded with illiterate thugs who embrace poorly written Hollywood movies acted by performers who are in and out of rehab on the regular.


Fire the editor: this sentence is poorly constructed.

It should read:

There are people who embrace drug-addled, drunk-driving Hollywood performers, but will say they think the NBA is loaded with illiterate thugs, and that is why they don't watch any of its games.

That's somewhat better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Dive...Ass...Beeps.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 31, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Would anyone trade Fat Albert straight up for Vince Young? I would!

Posted by: scott819 | January 31, 2011 3:00 PM

Yes. Our wastepaper basket for their's. But the thing is that nobody in Tennessee who sponsored Hayneworth is still there. Fisher, gone. Schwartz, in Detroit. Washburn, in Philly.

Feels like we did this a few seasons ago ... don't remember who though ... two guys, neither stuck with either team's roster. Maybe Taylor Jacobs for someone on the 49ers?

Posted by: dcsween | January 31, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

DO NOT DRAFT AN EARLY-ROUND QB!

lOOK FOR A GREAT RIGHT TACKLE, CENTER, GUARD OR PASS-RUSHER.

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | January 31, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

NNNNEEEERRRRRDDDD!!!!

Sorry, haven't said it in a while!

I agree, except for the RT one, I think Jamaal Brown improves and is resigned!

A. Monk
Anhieser Busch Monastery, Germany

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

alan4

The greater point is that a lot of the public holds athletes to a standard it doesn't have with other members of the entertainment industry.

There are people who will say they think the NBA is loaded with illiterate thugs who embrace poorly written Hollywood movies acted by performers who are in and out of rehab on the regular.

The double standard, from a sports fan perspective, is unsettling.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 31, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse


I don't know anyone rejecting the NBA b/c they think it's loaded with thugs.

Now rejecting the NBA b/c it's a sham of a sport on par w/ WWE - that's another topic.

I'm sure that the same people telling their sons not to emulate Dennis Rodman are also telling their daughters not to emulate Lindsay Lohan.

What I don't get about athletes is when they act surprised and upset when their dirty laundry gets out in public - it's like some of them don't understand that they are public entertainers. The Hollywood-types at least seem to get that fact and roll with punches better than some of these athletes.

They whine and moan about how all they want to do is play (pick your sport) and that's it and why can't everyone leave them alone.

Yeah, right.

If you all you wanted to do was play (name your sport) you could go down to the local Y and find some buddies to play (name your sport)with.

What you REALLY want to do is play (name your sport) AND get paid millions of dollars doing it.

What you don't get is that those millions of dollars exist because things like TV cameras, sports writers and a viewing public are there feeding the coffers, and they decide what is entertaining and interesting - not you.

So if you want to play (name your sport) AND get paid millions of dollars doing it, then accept the fact that you are a public entertainer in public view.

Don't expect to soak up all the benefits and then cry and whine about the burdens.

Posted by: p1funk | January 31, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Newton is too big of a risk and I'm not so sure he totally fits this scheme.

Vince Young is a timebomb waiting to exploid, plus I think he's a little overrated.

Alex Smith is the way to go. He can battle Sexy Rexy for the starting job, with he should beat faster than beep-beep beating the grease off those fries! Pick up a QB later on in the draft, like the dude from Nevada or TCU, and use the 1st and 2nd round picks for Defense!

SAVE THE ANTHILLS!

Posted by: monk811 | January 31, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Interesting idea, The kid from TCU, reminds me of a young Sonny J.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 31, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
I see your point, and I think there's a historical context. I suspect people expect a certain "purity" in sports because they want to compare players from different eras on an even playing field. With athletes, drugs are associated with an "unfair competitive advantage". Barry Bonds and Mark McGwire will never be as revered as athletes who are thought to be "pure".
In other entertainment, people will laugh along with Richard Pryor or Jim Belushi or listen to Jimi Hendrix, Rick James, and Eminem because there's a long and storied history of entertainers either OD'ing or blowing their brains out on a bad trip. It's just kind of expected.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 31, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who the QB is. As long as Snyder and the Shanahans are in charge, Washington will be the worst organization in the league.

Posted by: mcstowy | January 31, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Can we pls do something smart and stockpile picks... i want at least one respectable draft in the new millennium

Posted by: danmorrall | January 31, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Let me combine the questions of who should be QB in 2011 and whether The Redskins should trade some players. Start with the trades. The Redskins only have a few players with trade value. So, of these players, trade McNabb, Haynesworth and Cooley. If the Redskins are lucky, they may be able to get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for the trio. For QB next year, sign Alex Smith. While he may never be great, he has shown several flashes and many people in the NFL believe that he may develop into a good QB. Remember Plunket and Young didn't become good QB's until later in their careers. Since the Redskins are not shy about spending money and bringing in someone elses headaches, throw around some more silly money at Vincent Jackson. The Redskins need a proven receiver and he is a beast. Then use the draft picks on O-line, D-line, RB, LB and S. But, whatever the Redskins do, please do not think that you are a player or two away from the Super Bowl and give away the draft for one or two players. As bad as the Redskins roster is from top to bottom, the only way the they are going to the Super Bowl in the near future is to buy a ticket.

Posted by: seltaeb | January 31, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Let me combine the questions of who should be QB in 2011 and whether The Redskins should trade some players. Start with the trades. The Redskins only have a few players with trade value. So, of these players, trade McNabb, Haynesworth and Cooley. If the Redskins are lucky, they may be able to get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for the trio. For QB next year, sign Alex Smith. While he may never be great, he has shown several flashes and many people in the NFL believe that he may develop into a good QB. Remember Plunket and Young didn't become good QB's until later in their careers. Since the Redskins are not shy about spending money and bringing in someone elses headaches, throw around some more silly money at Vincent Jackson. The Redskins need a proven receiver and he is a beast. Then use the draft picks on O-line, D-line, RB, LB and S. But, whatever the Redskins do, please do not think that you are a player or two away from the Super Bowl and give away the draft for one or two players. As bad as the Redskins roster is from top to bottom, the only way the they are going to the Super Bowl in the near future is to buy a ticket.

Posted by: seltaeb | January 31, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Let me combine the questions of who should be QB in 2011 and whether The Redskins should trade some players. Start with the trades. The Redskins only have a few players with trade value. So, of these players, trade McNabb, Haynesworth and Cooley. If the Redskins are lucky, they may be able to get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for the trio. For QB next year, sign Alex Smith. While he may never be great, he has shown several flashes and many people in the NFL believe that he may develop into a good QB. Remember Plunket and Young didn't become good QB's until later in their careers. Since the Redskins are not shy about spending money and bringing in someone elses headaches, throw around some more silly money at Vincent Jackson. The Redskins need a proven receiver and he is a beast. Then use the draft picks on O-line, D-line, RB, LB and S. But, whatever the Redskins do, please do not think that you are a player or two away from the Super Bowl and give away the draft for one or two players. As bad as the Redskins roster is from top to bottom, the only way the they are going to the Super Bowl in the near future is to buy a ticket.

Posted by: seltaeb | January 31, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Let me combine the questions of who should be QB in 2011 and whether The Redskins should trade some players. Start with the trades. The Redskins only have a few players with trade value. So, of these players, trade McNabb, Haynesworth and Cooley. If the Redskins are lucky, they may be able to get a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for the trio. For QB next year, sign Alex Smith. While he may never be great, he has shown several flashes and many people in the NFL believe that he may develop into a good QB. Remember Plunket and Young didn't become good QB's until later in their careers. Since the Redskins are not shy about spending money and bringing in someone elses headaches, throw around some more silly money at Vincent Jackson. The Redskins need a proven receiver and he is a beast. Then use the draft picks on O-line, D-line, RB, LB and S. But, whatever the Redskins do, please do not think that you are a player or two away from the Super Bowl and give away the draft for one or two players. As bad as the Redskins roster is from top to bottom, the only way the they are going to the Super Bowl in the near future is to buy a ticket.

Posted by: seltaeb | January 31, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

draft oline and line backer. qb can be addressed next year. we need to rebuild the base.

Posted by: DCSportsfanatic1 | January 31, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have been looking for a quarterback since the days of Sonny & Billy. We had Joe and Mark, but.... no Peyton's, Tom"s or Drew's have found a residence in Washington lately.

WE need defense and another running back to compete. 31st is not a good spot.

As Longhorn fan, I know Vince isn't the anwser. Rex would fill a hole but won't win anything with him. The college guys have some promise, but we never seem to get our prayers or promises anwered. Maybe Dan can overpay someone else to fill the spot. We could trade our 1st & 2nd for a "Has Been"... that isn't a "Free Agent". The emphasis should not be on the "Free", right Dan! After Haynesworth, we need a "Free" agent :):):)

Posted by: skiproberts1 | January 31, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I pray that Cam Newton is not a member of the Washington football team coached by the Shanahans. Their treatment of McNabb and Haynesworth reflect their perception of Black players. A quarterback should be cerebral, a tactician, capable of manipulating sets of complex schemes and rely on mental acumen instead of his physical attributes. Hence, Mike Shanahan not so coded message (2 minute offense) that McNabb lacks those qualities but is dumb and incapable of executing multiple plays independently. Shanahan released information about Haynesworth’s conditioning to the press was a veiled attempt to humiliate him. A mature, emotionally health person would have handled it differently and most of all effectively. Shanahan created a maelstrom which haunted his team the entire year. That’s two of many examples that revealed the Shanahans’ immaturity, bias and prejudice

Posted by: gvaway | January 31, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

In a just world...

1. Exile Haynesworth to Detroit with Schwartz for a 4th rounder
2. McNabb not traded but picked up by the Cardinals
3. pick up a QB who fits the Mini-Shanny system (accuracy!) in the 2nd+ round

Posted by: minorthread | January 31, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

We picked up 3 QB's from other teams last year. So no more QB's from the marketplace. Draft one. That being said, the 3 QB's have some mileage left and at least 2 can perform (may not be making everyone happy but give them a chance). Drafting a QB does not need to be a first rounder, would just like one that has a pretty reasonable chance at being our future QB (2 or 3 years). This is a necessity this year due to the ages of our current group. A kid to carry the clipboard and learn. For offense, we need to be able to run the ball consistently. The O-line needs work, but that may be just time to jell, and a couple more additions. The RB's have some promise, but clearly lack enough bodies. Once you can run the ball effectively, you have a better chance of evaluating your QB talent, and putting a rookie in there, he at least has some support. For defense, they appear to need personnel fitted to a 3-4 and time to jell as well. So the final answer is draft a QB, but other concerns are a priority.

Posted by: skins50 | January 31, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who's under center, they will be shell shocked 3rd game of the season and never be the same again. BRING BACK THE HOGS!!! Stop all this QB talk and get another top round offensive linemen

My $0.2,
signed
frustrated redskin fan

Posted by: reggieskinner | January 31, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha. This could be the highest point of my life guys don't taking anything away from it.

Posted by: zjenks | January 31, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse
zjenks for Mayor.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 31, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

John B deserves a chance. Maybe, now, Hall could be traded for a starting right tackle.

Posted by: crimsonmac | January 31, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Von Miller

Posted by: hall_j | January 31, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

O-Line or D- Line

Posted by: pathmo | January 31, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

It's one of the worst cliches in a topic that's filled with cliches, but just draft the best player available. Take a look at the Redskins roster right now and tell me one offensive or defensive position (besides left tackle and tight end) where additional help wouldn't be helpful. The secondary is decent, but could still use some work.

Posted by: penmask | January 31, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

John B deserves a chance. Maybe, now, Hall could be traded for a starting right tackle. Throw McN and Gross in just for the heck of it. I suspect Hall will give up more TDs than any Skins QB will throw. Rogers is from Auburn, Campbell is from Auburn, Newton is from Auburn. Perhaps this suggests the 'Skins should stay away from Auburn, or does it.?

Posted by: crimsonmac | January 31, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who's under center, they will be shell shocked 3rd game of the season and never be the same again. BRING BACK THE HOGS!!! Stop all this QB talk and get another top round offensive linemen

My $0.2,
signed
frustrated redskin fan

Posted by: reggieskinner | January 31, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

First pick should be a lineman.

Posted by: jercha | January 31, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind if we draft either Newton or Locker as long as one of them slips to the 2nd round. At this point they both look like projects and you don't select projects in the first round. I'm okay with them picking up either Alex Smith or VY in FA as long as they bring them in at backup type salaries. Let them compete with Rex to be the starter. There are a lot of talented 3-4 front 7 guys that are worth that #10 pick. We need to get one of those guys. How I'd like to fill our needs:
QB - Smith/Young (to compete with Rex)
HB - DeAngelo Williams (Torain is a solid backup)
WR - Vincent Jackson (best guy available)
OG - Mankins
OT - Jamal Brown (re-sign)
DE - Richard Seymour
OLB - Von Miller (pray he's still available at #10)
CB - Champ Bailey (Dallas with get Asomugha)
NT - Phil Taylor (2nd round if available)

What do you guys think?

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 31, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Why not do this, Trade down and fill in with another OL and maybe a decent LB,cb,wr. or even a rb? Then there is always the option of taking the QB? Maybe Cam will be the talent many think he will. Maybe Locker who by all accounts hurt himself this week will slip far enough down into the first round and the Skins can pick him up plus another player worth his weight in gold? This certainly is not an exact science and the Redskins have payed a lot of people a lot of $$$$$ to perform these tasks and it doesn't always work out! 2008 draft wasn't a shining example of how to build a team was it? Personly I think Coach S hinted at who he would take when he said maybe if there is a young Mcnabb we will think about drafting him? The only one I see in the first round in that category is Cam Newton?

Posted by: buddybuttons5 | January 31, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Duh. They have a QB who went to the NFC Championship Game five times in ten years. Maybe if the O-line did something other than looking over their shoulders and yelling "look out, Donovan" - he just might be successful. IT'S THE O-LINE, STUPID!

Posted by: jburnetti | January 31, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

QB - Smith/Young (to compete with Rex)
HB - DeAngelo Williams (Torain is a solid backup)
WR - Vincent Jackson (best guy available)
OG - Mankins
OT - Jamal Brown (re-sign)
DE - Richard Seymour
OLB - Von Miller (pray he's still available at #10)
CB - Champ Bailey (Dallas with get Asomugha)
NT - Phil Taylor (2nd round if available)

What do you guys think?

Posted by: kerrdawg | January 31, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I think season ticket prices just doubled.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 31, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Draft a right tackle, Jamaal can spell him. Then Center, Lt and RT Guards. If we trade down, pick up a RB.

Posted by: bostskin | January 31, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"At some point people, this team is going to have to gamble on a young, franchise QB."

Ya mean like Heath Shuler?

Posted by: perspective6 | January 31, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"At some point people, this team is going to have to gamble on a young, franchise QB."

Ya mean like Heath Shuler?

Posted by: perspective6 | January 31, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

or Patrick Ramsey, or Jason Campbell??

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 31, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we should pursue any QB in free agency at this point. The best option I'd say would possibly be Vince Young, but with Shanahan trying to change culture, I highly doubt it because all of his drama. I think the draft should definitely be the route to go with this. That being said, unless theres a QB with the promise of Sam Bradford who can make an immediate impact, its just not worth it.

With a #10 overall pick, I think you need to draft a player that can immediately make an impact on either side of the ball. I will also say I personally like the direction that the defense went this year. There were just too many square pegs in places where circles should be. I think the #10 pick should be a DE. The 2nd round either OL or DL. Hopefully we will be able to move either Haynesworth or McNabb for a pick in the 3rd or 4th round.I wouldn't be opposed to bringing McNabb back to compete with Rex and a drafted QB though however. (I think we could potentially pick someone up worse than McNabb in FA anyways). Skins were ranked 7th in pass yards, Grossman didn't start the whole season -- Just saying

If Portis takes a paycut, the combination of Torain, Portis, and Williams would be pretty amazing. So with RB and TE set, I think WR can be addressed by scooping up Sidney Rice asap!! He's only 24, and 6'4, 205. The combination of Rice, Moss, Armstrong, Austin and maybe Banks, with Cooley and Davis would be an immediate upgrade. I wouldn't be opposed to Snyder opening his wallet to get Rice either because he doesn't have any character issues and would make an immediate impact. I think offense would then be in fairly good shape with the least number of draft picks expended, while still making quality upgrades.

I think using the draft to get players to fit the holes in our 3-4 scheme would really definitely help us build for the future, as well as the now. Back to the draft, at #10, a DE would be perfect to complement Rak, and instantly make the defense better with a balanced pass rush. If we cannot find a decent FA NT to play with Bryant, then I think we should use the 2nd round pick on a NT. If we are able to move Haynesworth, which is much more likely given the amount of money left on his contract, we can use that pick on a saftey to play back with Landry. We could also go the DL route which would be good too. Barnes showed a little promise back there when he did play.

Now if we did this, the QB could be drafted in the middle rounds and learn behind Grossman/(McNabb?). Grossman apart from Schaub, is clearly the most knowledgeable of QB options available with this offense. If it was difficult to pick up, what's to say that another FA QB won't have the same problem? It will be 2010 all over again if so, and I don't think it's worth the risk to draft a QB high, or pick one up in FA.

Sorry a little off topic, its been on my mind recently with all the mock drafts I see lol.

Posted by: schafin3 | January 31, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The NFL will be playing a 2011 season? Wow! That's news!

Posted by: steven09 | January 31, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith.

State your case RI.

~~~~~~~~~
None.

Starting QB for 2011 Redskins...Rex Grossman, placeholder.

Prediction-The Skins' will wind up with either Kaepernick, Stanzi or Dalton as a developmental pick at QB.

I wish....

The Skins would look hard at T.J. Yates, the N.C. Tarheel QB.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Could happen/Should happen.....

Mark Ingram, Alabama RB, runs a 4.4 or lower in any pre-draft 40yd dash. At that point, he's our pick. Though M.Shanahan is known for taking RBs with later picks in a draft, if Mark Ingram runs a 4.40 or lower 40yd time to go with his gliding, sliding style, Shanahan will find him irresistible.

Why wouldn't you take a much faster Emmitt Smith?
~~


or

B.J. Raji, the young Packer NT, has an outstanding S.B., reminding the Skins' brass of the need to get a NT. NFL teams are notorious copycats and Shanahan is no different-that's why the team is running a 3-4.
So if Marcell Dareus or Phil Taylor show up at the Combine and test well, particularly at the bench press & high and long jump, I look for one of them to be given serious consideration IF they are available at 10.

~~~~
Summary- Starting QB- 2011- R.Grossman
Developmental-2011-C.Kaepernick

2011 First Rd. Pick- Mark Ingram,RB

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 31, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

None of the above--Keep Rex for next year. I bet Shanny is drooling at the prospect of getting Andrew Luck in a year. Let's rebuild our other needs first, keep everything on track and hope that somehow we can get Luck in the 2012 draft.

Posted by: namelsac1 | January 31, 2011 7:17 PM | Report abuse

None of the above--Keep Rex for next year. I bet Shanny is drooling at the prospect of getting Andrew Luck in a year. Let's rebuild our other needs first, keep everything on track and hope that somehow we can get Luck in the 2012 draft.

Posted by: namelsac1 | January 31, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we should pursue any QB in free agency at this point. The best option I'd say would possibly be Vince Young, but with Shanahan trying to change culture, I highly doubt it because all of his drama. I think the draft should definitely be the route to go with this. That being said, unless theres a QB with the promise of Sam Bradford who can make an immediate impact, its just not worth it.

With a #10 overall pick, I think you need to draft a player that can immediately make an impact on either side of the ball. I will also say I personally like the direction that the defense went this year. There were just too many square pegs in places where circles should be. I think the #10 pick should be a DE. The 2nd round either OL or DL. Hopefully we will be able to move either Haynesworth or McNabb for a pick in the 3rd or 4th round.I wouldn't be opposed to bringing McNabb back to compete with Rex and a drafted QB though however. (I think we could potentially pick someone up worse than McNabb in FA anyways). Skins were ranked 7th in pass yards, Grossman didn't start the whole season -- Just saying

If Portis takes a paycut, the combination of Torain, Portis, and Williams would be pretty amazing. So with RB and TE set, I think WR can be addressed by scooping up Sidney Rice asap!! He's only 24, and 6'4, 205. The combination of Rice, Moss, Armstrong, Austin and maybe Banks, with Cooley and Davis would be an immediate upgrade. I wouldn't be opposed to Snyder opening his wallet to get Rice either because he doesn't have any character issues and would make an immediate impact. I think offense would then be in fairly good shape with the least number of draft picks expended, while still making quality upgrades.

I think using the draft to get players to fit the holes in our 3-4 scheme would really definitely help us build for the future, as well as the now. Back to the draft, at #10, a DE would be perfect to complement Rak, and instantly make the defense better with a balanced pass rush. If we cannot find a decent FA NT to play with Bryant, then I think we should use the 2nd round pick on a NT. If we are able to move Haynesworth, which is much more likely given the amount of money left on his contract, we can use that pick on a saftey to play back with Landry. We could also go the DL route which would be good too. Barnes showed something back there when he did play. We should also pay Carlos and PRAY he learns to catch this off season. He can do everything else.

Now if we did this, a QB could be drafted in the middle rounds and learn behind Grossman/(McNabb?). Grossman apart from Schaub, is clearly the most knowledgeable of QB options available with this offense. If it really was difficult to pick up, what's to say that another FA QB won't have the same problem? Putting a great team around an even average QB (Grossman/McNabb!)can make a huge difference, and with the passing numbers we put up last year, we could only do better with these changes.

Posted by: schafin3 | January 31, 2011 7:21 PM | Report abuse

1. Andy Reid ♥ McN.

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Then why did he trade him to a division rival? Probably because McNabb isn't very accurate.

Shanahan traded for John Beck. Try him. Bring back Colt Brennan. Trade somebody to Carolina for Jimmy Clausen.

Draft Newton or Locker? The kid from UNR was a better choice.

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | January 31, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

John Beck will be the starting QB on opening day. He will be our qb and will perform great

Posted by: stephenwilson2003@yahoo.com | January 31, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I hope this administration focuses on the O-line over the QB or any other position. It is essential for success and we haven't had it in years. If we focus on the offensive line, and put one together that can pass block and create gaps for the run, then we won't need an amazing qb back there -- an adequate one will do fine.

Posted by: Jeffmonger | January 31, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

No rookies, especially not Newton.
The Shanahans have put the team in a position from which it cannot win next year by their treatment of McNabb. He has good years left with a good offensive line and no quarterback is worth anything without that. It's time for everybody to face up to the fact that you put a good enough offensive line in place and my granddaughter will look like a great quarterback.

Posted by: amstphd | January 31, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Draft Kaepernick, a talented, smart qb. Let him back up Grossman and learn, going in if called for. And bring back Colt Brennan for #3.

Posted by: rsgwynn1 | January 31, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Draft Kaepernick, a talented, smart qb. Let him back up Grossman and learn, going in if called for. And bring back Colt Brennan for #3.

Posted by: rsgwynn1 | January 31, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd pick up Alex Smith and draft Nevada's Colin Kaepernick. That kid can play. Let sexy rexy hang around until Smith proves he can play in the system. Kaepernick is really good. Should be starting before season's end.

Posted by: alocowboy | February 1, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Take Von Miller, please don't waste anything on Vince when he came out he wasn't even the best QB in Texas, much less college football. Vince has always had a problem with his huge ego. Instead the Skins should pick up Jerrod Johnson who will turn out to be the sleeper of the draft. He holds every QB record at A&M and did it in 3 years.

Posted by: ralphbain | February 1, 2011 1:50 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: twiladavis | February 1, 2011 5:23 AM | Report abuse

Trade Haynesworth to the Lions for Shaun Hill.

Posted by: SJ-9 | February 1, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't see any QB in the draft worth spending a top 10 draft pick on. How high did we draft Patrick Ramsey and look how that turned out. There is no magic formula and we still need to see what we have in John Beck. If VY or Alex Smith are available, why not give them a shot? Shaun Hill is over 30 so no go for that road again.

Posted by: QSkinzfan | February 1, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I,for one, would love to have a young franchise QB. Who wouldn't? But to all the posters on here who act like they have been waiting patiently forever for one, let me remind you of some wasted high picks we have made in our search for a franchise QB in the time since we were a relevant winning team. Do the names Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey and Jason Campbell ring a bell? The Redskins do not NEED a franchise QB to be a dominant team again. The Redskins need a dominant Offensive Line, a bruising RB, a quick pass catching 3rd down back, along with a good Defense and then an AVERAGE QB will look great - like Mark Rypien, Doug Williams and Joe Theisman. These werent FRANCHISE QBs but with a great TEAM they were able to do GREAT THINGS....We have the blueprint and the history all wrapped up for us...why wouldn't it work again? There are alot of needs on this team and I prefer that they spend those high picks on players with a better chance of being dominant like they have done recently with TW and BO. Not a high risk gamble hotshot QB who played on a great college team and enjoyed success much the same way our own average QB's did in our glorious past.

Posted by: scottmando1 | February 1, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton, Vince Young or Alex Smith?
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Well that's easy NONE OF THE ABOVE!!! So who will? Grossman should start the season. He knows the system and he did look pretty good throwing 7 TD passes in 3 games. Yeah needs to work on the fumble issue but they were blindside hits. But Skins need to draft a franchise QB.. sorry but until we have one can't see the Skins having a decent chance of making the Super Bowl. Look at this year of the 12 teams in the playoffs 10 were lead by QB's picked in the 1st round only 2 weren't.. and the chances of finding a Brady in the 6th round again is almost impossible. Also we can't get a guy who doesn't fit the system here.. that leaves Cam Newton OUT!! Gabbert is the best choice but Shanahan is going to have to find the RIGHT guy otherwise the next 10 years will be like the last 10 years.

Posted by: sovine08 | February 1, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how this could be anymore clear than it already is but if the Redskins want to be in anyway successful they need young STUDS. 10th overall pick should be Julio Jones, no ifs ands or buts about it. Next pick, best OL available. Next pick, best OL or DL available depending on who is there. Next pick, best safety available. Next pick best LB avaialable. Any left go to OL and DL. It really is that simple. Play Beck or Grossman next year (my preference would be McNabb HELLO) and save your early first rounder that we are bound to have next year for a QB.

1. Jones
2. Best OL
3. Best OL/DL
4. Best Safety
5. Best LB
Rest: Best Ol/DL

Posted by: RudysWay | February 1, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how this could be anymore clear than it already is but if the Redskins want to be in anyway successful they need young STUDS. 10th overall pick should be Julio Jones, no ifs ands or buts about it. Next pick, best OL available. Next pick, best OL or DL available depending on who is there. Next pick, best Safety available. Next pick best LB avaialable. Any left go to OL and DL. It really is that simple. Play Beck or Grossman next year (my preference would be McNabb HELLO) and save your early first rounder that we are bound to have next year for a QB.

1. Jones
2. Best OL
3. Best OL/DL
4. Best Safety
5. Best LB
Rest: Best OL/DL

Posted by: RudysWay | February 1, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins need a dominant Offensive Line, a bruising RB, a quick pass catching 3rd down back, along with a good Defense and then an AVERAGE QB will look great - like Mark Rypien, Doug Williams and Joe Theisman. These werent FRANCHISE QBs but with a great TEAM they were able to do GREAT THINGS....
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Yeah but it's seem easier to replace one guy as opposed to 21 guys??? dominant Offensive Line? Who doesn't want one.. BTW Skins drafted a LT first last year.. sorry but OL are 5 guys FA and later picks are the way to go. a bruising RB? Looks like we have him in Torain. a quick pass catching 3rd down back?? He's a dime a dozen. a good Defense??? That's 11 guys, and the Def coordinator is the most important factor here. Look a great team can make a average QB look great.. but a great QB can also make a average team look great. Falcons aren't a great team but Ryan made tha whole team better. Only question is .. is there a great QB to pick in the first round? Well that's what we pay Shanahan for... but if there is we have to get him if we can.

Posted by: sovine08 | February 1, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins are looking to shore up the O-line (would be a safe bet), their needs are more of the mid-rounds and Free Agency type, not the #10. If they plan to spend the #10, would probably see a WR, or OLB get picked. Would rather see them drop down a few slots and pickup a 3rd or 4th rounder for an extra pick to grab a guard. I would like to see a QB to develop in the draft but not at #10. We do not need an immediate starter, we need a starter for 2 years down the road. And if they pickup any Free Agents (and I expect they will be busy once or if a CBA gets in place) they will probably be pretty active in the front 7 defense, O-line, and Safety.

Posted by: skins50 | February 1, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

AVERAGE QB will look great - like Mark Rypien, Doug Williams and Joe Theisman. These werent FRANCHISE QBs Posted by: scottmando1

Scott, this formula worked in the 80s and 90s. Today's QB rules and defenses require a much better passer than in those days. A QB needs all the throws: long , short, medium, touch over the LB, and bullets to the outside shoulder (either side) and has to be able to read defensive schemes and some escapebility out of the pocket and still look downfield. not one of the draft eligable QBs have all these intangables at this time. a 2nd rounder or later could be developed behind one of our current vets for a year or two. Develop the lines. Re-man the 3-4 with the correct types of players, then turn loose the young back-up.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 1, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

@skins50-Agreed. Good post.

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@boysheadcoach- While it appears that an average passer can't lead a team to a Super Bowl...Eli Manning did and so has Ben Roethilisberger.

To your 3rd sentence, a QB has almost always needed the ability to make any type of throw...in any era. Plus, the traits you pointed out aren't intangibles-they are very tangible. But, I do agree with your idea of developing the lines.

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@Rudy's Way-Julio Jones is a good prospect, but unless he runs in the 4.3s at the Combine, I don't see us taking him. There will be higher ranked LBs and DLs still available at 10.

Of course, if Jones runs in the 4.3s-he'll probably vault himself into the top five... out of our reach. Julio Jones' 40 time is one of the most important to be run this offseason, it's the difference between top 5 potentially and late 1st/early second. We might be able to get him in the second. Hell, all of these guys can't be 1st rounders.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 1, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Eli Manning did and so has Ben Roethilisberger.
Both are above avg (top 10 or 12 ) QBs would take a B.Roethilisberger in a heartbeat.
Extends plays, hard to bring down, does not panic!

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 1, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Point taken-both have won SBs...as playmakers not necessarily as gifted passers, both are average passers.

Eli and Ben have won playing more like Brett Favre, that is, making a timely play/heave as opposed to like Brady, Montana or Manning...with near-total mastery of a passing offense.

There were fine "passers" in the 80s and 90s (Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, Boomer Esiason, Steve Young and Drew Bledsoe, for some examples. Some dudes named Marino and Montana.

That's where I took exception to your post, the 80s & 90s had some damn fine passers and some of the more recent SB winning QBs were average passers.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | February 1, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Kolb?

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | February 1, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

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