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Posted at 12:25 PM ET, 03/ 8/2011

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?

By Washington Post editors

With the average NFL career lasting only 3 to 4 years, should rookies be free to get every guaranteed dollar they can in their first NFL contracts? Or are teams justified in insisting on a rookie wage scale to hold down costs until players pan out? The issue is a major one in the contract talks between the NFL and the players union.

Let us know what you think.

By Washington Post editors  | March 8, 2011; 12:25 PM ET
Categories:  collective bargaining negotiations  
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Comments

I think rookies should get some extra contract for being a high draft choice, but not what the contracts are now. Instead, most of the contract should be in incentives to make roster, and play. So a rookie who contributes on the field should get a lot more than one who just makes the squad.

I think there could also be an increase for certain positions, like QB, where there is a learning curve.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 8, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?


Dumb azz question, really.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Rookies should not make more than established vets.

If you're a high pick and your career only lasts 3-4 years, then you probably didn't deserve a big contract.

I w/frediefritz regarding incentives and possibly some of the money should become guaranteed in the event of a career ending injury.

But giving a guy $50mil guaranteed up front when he's never played a down in the NFL is redonkulous.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 8, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Rookies should be on a base pay scale put it should be incentives on top of the pay scale or bonus clauses which allows them to accumulate additional capital based on performance. You know like a regular job.

Posted by: hammer4 | March 8, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"The following would be ideal in my opinion..comments are encouraged: somehow, arizona decides to draft a QB and von miller falls to us at 10. then we go with phil taylor at 41, let rogers walk, get nnamdi at the right price and try to get cullen jenkins. then maybe if fat al gets his sh!t together and plays DE that will give us taylor, jenkins, haynesworth, orakpo, fletch, rocky, miller, hall, nnamdi, landry, atogwe...sounds like a solid 3-4.. one can dream"

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 12:04 PM

I would love for this scenario to take place, if for no other reason than to drive Sam Huff and other announcers batty by pairing Oshiomoghu Atogwe and Nnamdi Asomugha in the same defensive backfield.

I can't decide which is least likely, though: Miller falling to us at 10, Taylor lasting until 41, getting Asomugha at a reasonable price, or Haynesworthless giving us his all at DE in the 3-4. . . OK, it's Haynesworthless playing effectively and consistantly in the 3-4. As you say, though, a guy can dream . . .

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 8, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?

Sam Bradford makes more money then Tom Brady or Payton Manning.

I dont know how you justify that...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere, Asian poets are turning over in their rice-strewn graves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

We accomplished our goal Play!!!

Keep up the good work people!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

There should be a rookie pay scale based on draft position, however the contract durations should be shortened to 3 years.

They should also get rid of the Restricted, Transition, and Franchise "free agent" designations, but allow the current team one opportunity to match or exceed a contract.

Posted by: siris | March 8, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere, Asian poets are turning over in their rice-strewn graves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

We accomplished our goal Play!!!

Keep up the good work people!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 12:52 PM

My dead asian poet turned over three times...how did yours do?

Yes there should be a rookie wage scale...duh.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

No it's not justifiable.

Yes the #1 pick should make more guaranteed than the #15 pick, but 65 million is out of control.

Need to be incentive contracts with maybe 10 million guaranteed for the 1 pick.

If you are a high pick you should be contributing and playing anyway, so making incentves shouldn't be a problem.

Patrick Willis and Ndkjhfkjhe Suh are the last 2 rookies I remember that were straight beasts right out of the box.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with a rookie taken in the first round getting a bit more cash than one taken, say, in the third round, and said third rounder getting a bit more than a seventh rounder.

But the contracts many rookies have been given in the last ten years are ridiculous. Hell, I didn't even like our man Trent Williams' contract, but compared to someone like Sam Bradford's, it's nothing. That right there is a problem.

If you haven't played a down in the NFL yet, you should be paid like it. Seems like the only way proven veterans will get paid more than these 1st round rookies is if they end up being a future HOFer like Peyton Manning.

Posted by: etyb | March 8, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 12:52 PM

My dead asian poet turned over three times...how did yours do?

Yes there should be a rookie wage scale...duh.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Mine turned over so much he cooked himself in 60 seconds.

I guess you could call him Minute Rice!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Ezra Pound is jealous of my haiku prowess.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Ezra Pound is jealous of my haiku prowess.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 1:07 PM

You do have some mad haiku skills.

Anyone know what tomorrow is so I can prepare a little better? All I came with today was some poop poems.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rookie contract scale, it's absolutely everyone's best interest, especially the union's. (OK maybe not the Agents...but they should not matter).

Whether the players realize it or not, to have a rookie scale will only help their long term financial health on the whole.

The revenue split will be what it is going to be...so by putting in a rookie scale, it would increase the overall revenue available for veteran salaries, pension money, as well as benefits for current and retired players.

It's not as if money saved from having a scale just goes back to the owners...it stays with the players one way or the other. The question is should a Jamarcus Russel get it up front on potential? Or should a Brian Dawkins get it for years of quality play?

The interesting thing to me is that the NFLPA is saying they are against it. I can virtually guarantee you that this is just a back pocket throw away that they will trade for other concessions.

It's very shrewd for the union to act like they are against it at this stage....when in fact it will be a gain for the long term.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Teams do NOT want top picks

I mean, what does that say in todays game?

Contracts KILL teams needing the exact opposite

Posted by: Bious | March 8, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Not justified. You are paying huge amounts of money based on what they did in college and their potential. Would rather see 4 year contracts with the last year voidable by the player or the team. No incentives so that teams cannot hurt players that cannot meet them thru no fault of their own. That way both sides get 3 years for sure. If the player is working out real well, the team is going to renegotiate after 2. If the player does not like the teams offer, they opt out at 3. Still kind of risky, but at least the team knows what they have. That puts the incentive on the player to show their stuff in that first 2 years since it will determine their future pay.

Posted by: TwoCents5 | March 8, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, I did a Top 10 draft scenario list on my Site: http://www.roccoskins.com/

I went through 6 Top nine mocks, to see who would fall to the Skins, and who they would select.

Check it out, let me know what you think.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If rookie contracts are ridiculous, why don't we see teams dropping out of the top 5-10 for financial reasons?

Yeah, these eye popping numbers seem ridiculous to the average fan, but where is the evidence of damage to the league?

Would Bradford take less money to go to NE? Suh to PIT? Probably, but that is the leagues investment in parity. Now, STL and DET have something to root for, and both have reason to play hard and stay motivated while their teams attempt to improve.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 8, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

If rookie contracts are ridiculous, why don't we see teams dropping out of the top 5-10 for financial reasons?

...but where is the evidence of damage to the league?


Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 8, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The best answer I can give you is that it's become very difficult to trade out of those top spots.

As for evidence that it's damaging the league...I won't argue that the huge rookie deals are damaging the owners, but I'd argue that they are damaging the rest of the players that don't cash in on one of these mega deals. So in other words it's hurting 99% of the rest of the players.

As I mentioned above, the revenue split is going to be pre determined, and it has been for years.

So in that money that the NFLPA is entitled to, why should unproven rookies get a bigger piece than proven players, pension funds and benefit coffers?

The players are the ones hurt by the mega deals.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

3-4 poop haiku
Dead Poets Society
We need more cowbell

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

3-4 poop haiku
Dead Poets Society
We need more cowbell

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 1:35 PM

That was beautiful.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Trade the 10th pick along with Grossman and Beck to Texas for Shaub.

I gotta think that they'd think about it seriously and we'd then have a guy who can step right in on opening day/night....assuming there is one.

Is that completely insane?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen this perspective before: Von Miller as this year's Vernon Gholston. Legit or rumor floated in hopes that he drops a few spots?

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Is that completely insane?

yes, as well as galactically stupid.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Is that completely insane?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Sounds about right for Ashburn.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Is that completely insane?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 1:40 P

Why not just trade McNabb, Fat Al and Beck to New England for Tom Brady? I'm sure Bill would be cool with that.

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Trade the 10th pick along with Grossman and Beck to Texas for Shaub.

I gotta think that they'd think about it seriously and we'd then have a guy who can step right in on opening day/night....assuming there is one.

Is that completely insane?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 1:40 PM

Yes to the insane
Rex will be Skins suprise stud
Fans will praise Snyder

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

100% agree with the NFL owners that there should be a rookie wage scale.

Too many high draft rookies get their money and then tank....which puts a bad team more in a hole or held hostage for years.

With a rookie pay scale...veterans should be given more money as its performance on the field that matters not the slot of your draft pick or what uber college program you were breezed through by boosters.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 8, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Haven't seen this perspective before: Von Miller as this year's Vernon Gholston. Legit or rumor floated in hopes that he drops a few spots?

Posted by: will_ga | March 8, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I have not heard anyone make that comparison either. I think Miller is a thousand times more natural FB player and pass rusher than Gholston. I think he had many more sacks in college, and is not IMO considered the workout wonder that Gholston was.

Also, I thought I heard somewhere that like 50% of VGs career sacks came in like 3-4 games.

But then again, WTF do I know?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what tomorrow is so I can prepare a little better? All I came with today was some poop poems.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think it's Make Fun Of Glee Wednesday, but I'm not sure!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

what do you guys think of sims walker

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

100% agree with the NFL owners that there should be a rookie wage scale.

Thing is, both the players and owners already do.

So that's why it's a dumb-azzed question.

But you have to ask, if you are a player, is, what are the owners willing to concede?

The owners want a longer season, their share of the money pie untouched, a rookie wage scale, players conducting themselves like choir boys, no PEDS, and the use of Franchise tagging to keep players they'd rather pay a lil bit to stop someone else from paying them a lot.

The players will concede most of these thing, but not one: they say the money pie should be sliced differently and more in their favor.

The public, the players argue, come to see them, not if the owners books are straight.

A $9 billion dollar industry with low wage costs can't go crying broke and whine about paying the people the fans want to see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

what do you guys think of sims walker

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

To me, he's probably the most intriguing FA WR after Santonio. I don't pretend to know enough about scouting to tell you whether he fits the Shanahan offense, and his maturity concerns me.

But overall, I'd be intrigued at adding a young deep threat like him.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Check it out, let me know what you think.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 1:24 PM


I think it's a waste of your time. Get to work. And it stinks.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | March 8, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

i really like the idea of adding sims walker and putting moss in the slot..

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

March Madness is getting heated up this weekend.

Raise you hand if you care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

The owners want a longer season, their share of the money pie untouched...

The players will concede most of these thing, but not one: they say the money pie should be sliced differently and more in their favor.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Moe...false. The players would love the current split to stay the same. It's the owners that are looking for a change.

Remember...the 2006 deal was a sweetheart one for the union. It's the owners voiding it and seeking to change it.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with the rookie wage scale as long as that money gets diverted to the vets. If the owner's are just pocketting it then no. Even though it's crazy for a Sam Bradford to get paid like Brady or Manning without ever playing a down at least his deal should help other QB's when they go to negotiate - high tide raises all ships sort of thing.

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse


Is that completely insane?

yes, as well as galactically stupid.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 1:43 PM |

Beano,

I must be onto something as you pilfer my vocabulary. Either way, compared to the knowledge, or better described, lack thereof that I've seen offered from you, I shouldn't and won't feel too bad.

I want all you azzholes out there to be my witness that I never go about verbally bludgeoning anyone until they act like doosh bags. If you're going to bang on my scenario, come up with an alternative why dontcha?

Any b1tch ass no-talent like Beano can pop off but very few can offer reasonable counsel or alternative suggestions.

No wonder I crap on the majority of losers in here. This place is like a virtual bar full of winos, losers and degenerates and I walk in and loudly point out what assclowns you are and then just wait for anyone to grow a pair and step my way. I'll leave it at that for fear of crossing the line into the world of Blogging Fonzies.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

March Madness is getting heated up this weekend.

Raise you hand if you care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:11 PM

Hand raised - Go Buffs and Terps

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

what do you guys think of sims walker

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 1:58 PM |

MSW is big and has had a better than decent last 2 years.

I like him better than Plaxico Burris.

Plus, no bullet hole. Bonus!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

whine, whine, whine, blah, blah, blah....guess what...it's STILL a stupid idea....go peddle your small mans disease some place else....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

what do you guys think of sims walker

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 1:58 PM |

MSW is big and has had a better than decent last 2 years.

I like him better than Plaxico Burris.

Plus, no bullet hole. Bonus!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I want all you azzholes out there to be my witness that I never go about verbally bludgeoning anyone until they act like dbags.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Is it safe to say that you don't want to bludgeon them, but you feel like you owe it to them?

Like Judge Shmales sentencing kids to the gas chamber?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Plus, no bullet hole. Bonus!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:17 PM

Wonder if he still leaks when he takes a drink of water.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The best answer I can give you is that it's become very difficult to trade out of those top spots.

As for evidence that it's damaging the league...I won't argue that the huge rookie deals are damaging the owners, but I'd argue that they are damaging the rest of the players that don't cash in on one of these mega deals. So in other words it's hurting 99% of the rest of the players.

As I mentioned above, the revenue split is going to be pre determined, and it has been for years.

So in that money that the NFLPA is entitled to, why should unproven rookies get a bigger piece than proven players, pension funds and benefit coffers?

The players are the ones hurt by the mega deals.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse
-------------------------

My main point is that the damage - whatever it is - appears to be overstated.

Sure, you can debate that it takes away from veterans, but what if teams were forced to pay veterans more? Would that backfire and teams load up on undrafted FAs? The NFL already has a veteran minimum AND a salary floor to prevent teams like the Pittsburg Pirates from stinking up the joint.

And everyone has to pay into the retirement/pension fund, so the money gets there regardless of whether it's paid by rookies or veterans.

Summary: This is only an issue for like 5 players a year out of the almost 1700 active NFL players, and I'd just like to see more objective evidence before jumping to conclusions that hyping young players on bad teams is a bad idea.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 8, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Raise you hand if you care.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:11 PM

Hand raised - Go Buffs and Terps

Posted by: skinswest | March 8, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Hand raised. for the terps, does the NIT really count as March Madness, that is if they can land that. Might be the CBI for md this year.

Hopping my EERS can make a run like last years. F duke...

Posted by: Stu27 | March 8, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

whine, whine, whine, blah, blah, blah....guess what...it's STILL a stupid idea....go peddle your small mans disease some place else....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 8, 2011 2:19 PM |

Beano, you smell like fart.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes to the insane
Rex will be Skins suprise stud
Fans will praise Snyder

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Grossman throws for 27 TDs next year...........BOOK IT

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The players would love the current split to stay the same. It's the owners that are looking for a change.


I'd say yes and no.

There are some interesting sticking points:

For example:

The owners want two additional games and they want the money pie split the same.

The players say two extra games means the money pie equals an additional slice for them.

The owners feels otherwise.

That alone is an interestin sticking point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

what do you guys think of sims walker

Posted by: zorn_sucks | March 8, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I didn't watch many Jags games but ESPN 101 has some harsh words for the guy.

This explains why the Jags did not tender MSW. "He can't beat press coverage off the line of scrimmage and he also whines if they don't throw to him even if they win," the insider explained. "He doesn't want to take the blame when he doesn't make a catch and he has a bad knee. ... (Sims-Walker) had 18 of his catches in two blowouts, 10 in a loss to San Diego and eight in a win over Dallas. In no other game did he have more than four

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Is it safe to say that you don't want to bludgeon them, but you feel like you owe it to them?

Like Judge Shmales sentencing kids to the gas chamber?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:19 PM |

Yes, they stood for "badness".

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Grossman throws for 27 TDs next year...........BOOK IT

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:22 PM

Hmmmmm let me put this into my iH8dallas Optimism Conversion Machine....

Grossman throws for 16 TDs next year...........BOOK IT

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse


Ndamukong Suh continues to heap praise on Albert Haynesworth. From an interview yesterday:

Lions' Ndamukong Suh: No reason we can't be 16-0


• On what other defensive player in the NFL he’d like to play next to: “Well, I’m definitely first and foremost happy with who I have on my team playing with. But a guy that I’ve watched really since college is Albert Haynesworth. I’d love to be able to play next to a guy like that, the motor he has, the tenacity he has when he’s very comfortable and in his setting. And I can only agree with the way he’s felt in the last couple months, but it’d definitely be exciting to play with a guy like that.”


Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes to the insane
Rex will be Skins suprise stud
Fans will praise Snyder

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Grossman throws for 27 TDs next year...........BOOK IT

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:22 PM |

IH8, if that includes his pick-6's, yeah, I'll book that.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 8, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Your missing the point. With the millions saved from eliminating the ridiculous rookie deals: Player pensions could be bigger, their benefits could be increased, either in size or scope of who receives them. The FA vets and later round picks could get more money via their contracts.

Your comment about the owners being forced to pay FAs more holds no water because again, the revenue share is predetermined, and the salary cap will determine what can be paid. If the rookie contracts keep going up, there is less for everyone else.

I don't understand how anyone except agents and future Jamarcus Russells can argue against a rookie scale.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, I did a Top 10 draft scenario list on my Site: http://www.roccoskins.com/

I went through 6 Top nine mocks, to see who would fall to the Skins, and who they would select.

Check it out, let me know what you think.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Good analysis, rocco. I'm good with either JJones or AJGreen. QB is beyond my analytical skills. I haven't seen enough of any of these guys(in Shanny I trust here). Not so sure about RQuinn tho. If he was available, I'd really like to think he could fit in our D front 7 somewhere.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 8, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

PA and PF

He threw 7 TDs in 3 games.

That would average out to about 27 in a full season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?

Coin Toss: Are these "Coin Toss" things considered articles, or is Redskins Insider slacking?

Give me something to read! Im so bored at work!

Posted by: jwalte04 | March 8, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Waitingguilty

...With the millions saved from eliminating the ridiculous rookie deals: Player pensions could be bigger, their benefits could be increased, either in size or scope of who receives them.


That's not really a huge savings as the only teams making big payouts to rookies are the teams picking 1-10.

And, I'm sorry, I doubt the owners will out of altruism offer whatever savings they accrue to any fund that'll expand pensions.

In fact, if I'm an owner, I'm wondering why I have to pay into a pension for for millionaires.

Isn't saving for retirement the players' concern?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jwalte04 | March 8, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Someone the other day surmised that Jason Reid ate Mike Jones.

Since that theory was put forth I've seen a bunch of coin tosses and no real reporting.

And as impossible as this seems, Reid's girth looks much bigger than before, perhaps even in the neighborhood of a size 50 waistband.

So tell me....if that's a fact....am I lying?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

He threw 7 TDs in 3 games.

That would average out to about 27 in a full season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:32 PM

Sorry iH8, but the conversion machine doesn't lie...it takes all of your past predictions into account...formulates a divisor...and adjusts your new predictions accordingly...its the same machine I use for my weekly predictions...100% guaranteed.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Should the waitresses at the FEDEX Field Hooters restaurant go braless?

Posted by: Vic1 | March 8, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Grossman throws for 27 TDs next year...........BOOK IT

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you think he throws that many interceptions for touchdowns?

Well, they don't call him the 'Human Turnover Machine' for nothing!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Dwarf Toss: Would how many games do the Redskins win if Rex Grossman throws 27 touchdowns?


a. 2

b. 4

c. 6

d. 8

e. 10

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

PA and PF

He threw 7 TDs in 3 games.

That would average out to about 27 in a full season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:32 PM |

I'm no math major but 7 TDs in 3 games averages out to more like

37.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

over a 16 game season....but who's counting?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 8, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Come on Moe. You must not have had your coffee today. First you misfire saying the owners are the ones who want to keep the revenue split as is, now this?

You guys need to understand that if a rookie scale goes into effect it does not put one dollar back into owners pockets.

The revenue sharing agreements will dictate that the money is put to use on vet contracts, later round picks could get slotted pay bumps vs what they get now, league min contracts could be raised, the money can be put into benefits or funds for the players etc.

The rookie scale will NOT allow the owners to use the money saved at their discretion. The revenue will belong to the players one way or the other.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Take a timeout from RI or I or whatever we are now and do a google image search for "rex grossman unleash the dragon".

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Not so sure about RQuinn tho. If he was available, I'd really like to think he could fit in our D front 7 somewhere.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 8, 2011 2:30 PM |

Thanks. I'm a huge Quinn fan. At one point, I had him as possible #1 overall pick. I don't think he falls to 10. Even if he does, I don't think the 3-4 D will bring the best out him. He and Bowers are best at 4-3 D End. Quinn could probably convert more so than Bowers, but I think even Quinn would prefer 43 End. His best attribute is his hands. Much like Peppers, he has those long, strong arms. Which is better for D End. If he gains some weight, he could make a great 5 technique.

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Rookie wage scale = yet another way owners are protected against the greed of OWNERS.

It's all about skimming as much money as they can: I'll bet nobody here pays to see Dan Snyder own the Redskins. Nope, we pay to see the players play the game, hello?

All the salary cap does is protect a bunch of fat cats from themselves.

I'd much prefer to see players get a larger part of the league's revenue: maybe not in the form of salary, but improved pension and medical care benefits. These guys destroy themselves and the league, which benefits from their sacrifice, should take care of them after their playing days are done.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 8, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

So tell me....if that's a fact....am I lying?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:38 PM |

Can I have one of those Chesterfields now?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Someone the other day surmised that Jason Reid ate Mike Jones.

Since that theory was put forth I've seen a bunch of coin tosses and no real reporting.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Reid crushed Mike Jones and formed him into 1 big, 4 sided coin!!!

The no real reporting thing is definately Reid M.O.

SAVE THE HUMAN-MADE COINS!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Well Grossman did throw 23 TDs in his best season.

Unfortunately, he also threw 20 picks and lost 5 fumbles...

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Best Sock Puppet Team

1. playaction and monk
2. iH8 and hessone
3. PF and NPI
4. everyone else

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Any1 hear about Tiki Barber coming out of Retirement?

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He threw 7 TDs in 3 games.

That would average out to about 27 in a full season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:32 PM
My math has it at 37 TDs in 16 games, even better!!

Posted by: msrent | March 8, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Any1 hear about Tiki Barber coming out of Retirement?

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse
Yeah I heard. That's ridiculous.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

its the same machine I use for my weekly predictions...100% guaranteed.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Your predictions sucked,
ever since hess borrowed it,
keys are real sticky!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Any1 hear about Tiki Barber coming out of Retirement?

Posted by: roccoskins | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse
Yeah I heard. That's ridiculous.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:48 PM |

While he was filling out the paperwork, he dropped his pen.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I saw that Tiki Barber wants to come out of retirement. From Sports Illustrated:

Barber's personal and professional life have been in shambles recently. In April 2010, Barber reportedly left his wife of 11 years, Ginny, for 23-year-old Traci Johnson, a former NBC intern. Ginny was eight months pregnant at the time. Soon after, NBC cited its morals clause and terminated Barber's contract, which reportedly paid him more than $300,000 per year.

In June 2010, the New York Post reported Barber was broke and couldn't pay his divorce settlement with his ex-wife.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Best Sock Puppet Team

1. playaction and monk
2. iH8 and hessone
3. PF and NPI
4. everyone else

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM |

I'm in the top 3. That's gotta be worth 30 million considering no one else is on my team.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

PA and PF

He threw 7 TDs in 3 games.

That would average out to about 27 in a full season.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:32 PM |

I'm no math major but 7 TDs in 3 games averages out to more like

37.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

over a 16 game season....but who's counting?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse
I'm no math major either... I was guessing to the best of my ability.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

100% agree with the NFL owners that there should be a rookie wage scale.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 8, 2011 1:49 PM

Rookie scale is smart
Players and owners agree
Top pick agents grieve

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Best Sock Puppet Team

1. playaction and monk
2. iH8 and hessone
3. PF and NPI
4. everyone else

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Please, it's not even a contest! Bubba Ray and Devon bring it every day!!!

Devon, get the table!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Didn't know you could get 1/3 of a touchdown, thus I rounded to 37 TDs

Posted by: msrent | March 8, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2006/11/f-k-it-im-throwing-it-downfield.html

Unleash the Dragon
Grossman has what this team needs
Charisma that is

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Romo diognosed AIDS
Manning's tongue kill him
Our only hope

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Who gets cut first next year?

A. Tiki Barber
Tails. Clinton Portis
III. Michael Westbrook

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Googling on Rex
Bears fans call him GUNSLINGER
All my chips on Rex

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Best Sock Puppet Team

1. playaction and monk
2. iH8 and hessone
3. PF and NPI
4. everyone else

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I vote for #2...no I vote for #3...no #1...I mean I vote for #4...yes #2.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

There's no "I" in 'team'.

But there are two "I's" in Tiki.

Dude is a straight up bag.

When your TV network goes to a morality clause to get you canned, man, you must really suck big, smelly donkey balls.

He got "Sheen'ed"

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Clouds of darkness form
A sliver of hope is born
Grossman leaves Boys' torn

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Clouds of darkness form
A sliver of hope is born
Grossman leaves Boys' torn

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:11 PM |

Was that a gay reference?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Avoid the sack
Rex has the knack
He's bringing sexy back

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Sheen is awesome
Sometimes I forget his dad
President Bartlett

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey Personal Fowl
Haiku is 5-7-5
Just sayin' such as

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Haiku Tuesday to be over.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Fans want a high pick
QB for Shanny to keep
Eff that, 8 goes deep

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Birdie, birdie in the snow.

Broken wing, this I know.

I coaxed him over
with some bread.

To smash that
lil' pecker's head.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 8, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Clouds of darkness form
A sliver of hope is born
Grossman leaves Boys' torn

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:11 PM |

Was that a gay reference?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't know P_F, was it? A poet of my caliber doesn't tell his fans what the meaning of his poems are.

It is to be interpreted and discussed in Literature classes for years to come.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Sheen is awesome = 6 syllables!

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse


Hey there dcsween,
You messed up too, that'll be
10 Penalty points.

Posted by: monk811 | March 8, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Cowboys team implodes
Mark Sanchez digs in his nose
Wipes it on Brunnell's clothes

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Here is how I would do up a rookie wage scale.

A pick cannot get a contract that excieds the anual salary of his position when averaged out among those currently under contract in the NFL.

I wouldn't do a scale like the NBA where a first round guy gets X round 2 gets Y, and so forth.

But keep it simple. If you are drafted to play OLB, and the other 128 (estimated) OLB's in the NFL are making on average 1.3 million a year, then that should be the cap on your first contract. Besides, owners and GM's will know how to slide the scales based on where a player is picked.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 8, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Haiku is being bastardized all over this board.

It's turned into "Really awful, nonsensical poetry" Tuesday right before my eyes.

I'm calling roughing the palette/use of superfluous syllables on PF,sween and vic.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If you're feeling good... too good... you can read this article in csnwashington.com where Vinny is bashing Zorn. That should get your blood boiling.

I will forever be grateful to Zorn for taking him down.

Cerrato: Jim Zorn 'didn't listen'

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

A poet of my caliber....

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:25 PM

Poet? You're a journalist

journalist : poetry :: butcher : jewelry

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I said earlier that you guys were ruining haiku Tuesday.

You're still doing a horrible job.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It is to be interpreted and discussed in Literature classes for years to come.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:25 PM |

Running track when young
Legendary butt control
Craps three times a week

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Haiku is being bastardized all over this board.

It's turned into "Really awful, nonsensical poetry" Tuesday right before my eyes.

I'm calling roughing the palette/use of superfluous syllables on PF,sween and vic.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:32 PM

Yeah, but yours is the worst haiku yet.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You're still doing a horrible job.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:38 PM

Worst blog police ever: calling guys out for haikus on haiku Tuesday.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

haha...Fair enough.

But you should see what I COULD HAVE done with an extra syllable or 2!!!!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Since it seems like tensions are starting to boil over a bit around here on Haiku Tuesday...how about Wacky Wednesday tomorrow...where anything goes!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

'cause a sports blog is where you want to get your poetry fix.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato: Jim Zorn 'didn't listen'

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link A4...

But instead of getting upset, I laughed hysterically while reading the article.

And then I felt a little sad for Vinny. He's obviously got some issues if he believes any of what he said in that radio interview.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Wacky Wednesday tomorrow...where anything goes!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:48 PM

Followed by Monastic Thursday where everyone observes a vow of silence, led by a monk.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Rookie or veteran, pro athlete contracts are obscene.

ever explain to a wounded veteran why his sacrifice of a limb is worth a couple thousand while a 30-year-old shortstop who can barely spell his name is worth millions to play a game?

Or a firefighter who walks into a burning building one day and the unemployment line the next as millionaire football players attack the hand that feeds them because they only get 60% of the total proceeds instead of 65%?

Posted by: PoliticalPrisoner2012 | March 8, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Beep, I am a journalism major.

It's a practical application for a generally useless talent.

I can't make money as a poet.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

No, they are not justified. But if the owners are going to give them, the IRS should demand 90%.

Posted by: crimsonmac | March 8, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

PP2012 - really?! You're going to debate pro sports in it's entirety.

Here's an answer: Don't like it, don't pay for it. If everyone did that, then they wouldn't be handling those economics.

You're comparing Apples and Tuna. Economics is a b1tch, ain't it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 8, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Followed by Monastic Thursday where everyone observes a vow of silence, led by a monk.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:51 PM

Great idea beep...and we can watch every 20 minutes or so someone unknowingly pop in and say...

Is this thing on?

...as we sliently lol.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a practical application for a generally useless talent.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:52 PM |

I've followed your stuff up here. You'll do well!

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 3:50 PM


Good point.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

...as we sliently lol.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:57 PM

That's really clever. LOL.

This is the kind of profound thought that you should think to yourself on Monastic Thursday and silently congratulate yourself for your insight.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

It's a practical application for a generally useless talent.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 3:52 PM |

I've followed your stuff up here. You'll do well!

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse
Thanks Beep! I'll be working at your alma mater this summer, so I'll do a little name dropping.

"You might know a Mr. Beep...first name Beep."

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

2 off topic thoughts:

Is anyone else wondering if Team Shanahan made it's way to Auburn's or Arkansas's campus today? Neither? Both?

Also, since Vinny came out today and said he would not touch Cam Newton with a 10 foot pole (really)... Does this mean that Carolina should immediately open negotiations with Newton and announce 2 months out that he's the guy at #1?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Not having a rookie wage scale is damaging to the league. The top 5 even 10 picks have too much guaranteed money attached to the risk. If the player is a bust it sets the team back a few years as the player is eating up cap room. They can't cut the player because the cap hit would be too large. They can't trade back because other teams do not want to be on the hook for the large contract for the reasons stated above.

Any money saved on rookie wages will be used towards veterans or other players as teams have to spend to a cap minimum. Most teams spend right up to the cap.

Posted by: srobert1117 | March 8, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"You might know a Mr. Beep...first name Beep."

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM

When I entered they called me Mr. When I left they referred to me as Dr. (Not sure whether that was Dr. Beep, or Beep Drive.)

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

This is the kind of profound thought that you should think to yourself on Monastic Thursday and silently congratulate yourself for your insight.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 8, 2011 4:03 PM

I'll run it by The Monk tomorrow to see what he thinks about all this...he really wears the socks in the family...btw he's been cutting out pretty early lately...I hope you've been adjusting his paycheck accordingly.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

2 off topic thoughts:

Is anyone else wondering if Team Shanahan made it's way to Auburn's or Arkansas's campus today? Neither? Both?

Also, since Vinny came out today and said he would not touch Cam Newton with a 10 foot pole (really)... Does this mean that Carolina should immediately open negotiations with Newton and announce 2 months out that he's the guy at #1?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Very on-topic thought.

I have been hoping to see an update on the pro day.

We have to have a scout at both places right?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

2 off topic thoughts:...

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM


Good post! I know it may not seem like it, but discussing Redskins football is actually encouraged here!

I certainly hope Team Shanahan visits Alabama, they can get a good look at both Auburn and the Crimson Tide... both teams are worth the vist.

Vinny saying he wouldn't touch Cam Newton should send Newton's stock skyrocketing.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

2 off topic thoughts:

Is anyone else wondering if Team Shanahan made it's way to Auburn's or Arkansas's campus today? Neither? Both?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

They probably just went to Auburn today. They can go to Arkansas sometime tomorrow when Ryan Mallet is expected to complete the 40 yard "dash".

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 8, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

We have to have a scout at both places right?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You'd think so right?

I support Shanahan in general, but I hope he's decided to abandon his attempt to subvert the rest of the league by not attending workouts and interviewing players that he likes.

After all, now he could further confuse other FOs by talking to players he IS interested in.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"The following would be ideal in my opinion..comments are encouraged: somehow, arizona decides to draft a QB and von miller falls to us at 10. then we go with phil taylor at 41, let rogers walk, get nnamdi at the right price and try to get cullen jenkins. then maybe if fat al gets his sh!t together and plays DE that will give us taylor, jenkins, haynesworth, orakpo, fletch, rocky, miller, hall, nnamdi, landry, atogwe...sounds like a solid 3-4.. one can dream"


And maybe Dan will install free hitching posts so we can park our unicorns.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 8, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"The following would be ideal in my opinion..comments are encouraged: somehow, arizona decides to draft a QB and von miller falls to us at 10. then we go with phil taylor at 41, let rogers walk..."


And maybe Dan will install free hitching posts so we can park our unicorns.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 8, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You have to admit, it's a fine plan up until this point....then the wheels came off.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Will not quit haiku
But will mind syllables more
Sheen is still awesome

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedCherokee | March 8, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

It's now become clear
dcsween is sweet on Sheen
Strange as that may seem

Posted by: Alan4 | March 8, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

No need for Pro Days
Prospects can come to Ashburn
Trade down anyway

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Haiku Tuesday to be over.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 8, 2011 3:21 PM |

I like Vinny Barbarino haikus.

Up your orifice
With a hot poultice

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Or

Up your pike
With a sharp spike

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Up your turder
With a rusty girder

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Not sweet Alan4
Just a huge fan of crazy
Sheen is way batshti

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Up your sluice-way
With some Ben Gay

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Julio Jones is available at 10. Take Him?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A guy walks into a pharmacy and says to the pharmacist, "Listen, I have three girls coming over tonight. I've never had three girls at once, and I need something to keep me horny and potent."

The pharmacist reaches under the counter, unlocks the bottom drawer, and takes out a small cardboard box marked with a label, "Vi@gra Extra Strength," and says, "here, if you take these you'll go wild for twelve hours!" The guy responds, "Great! Gimme three boxes!"

The next day, the guy walks into the same pharmacy, approaches the pharmacist, and pulls down his pants. The pharmacist looks in horror at man's black and blue member.

The man says, "I'm gonna need some Ben Gay cream."

The pharmacist replies, "Ben Gay? You're not going to put Ben Gay on THAT are you?"

"Nope, it's for my arms ... the girls didn't show up."

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What do Dead-Heads say when they run out of weed?


This music sucks.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

what do you get when you cross the million man march with the million lesbian march?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Q: What does an English prof say when he runs out of tweed?

A: This poem sucks.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | March 8, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

What do Dead-Heads say when they run out of weed?


This music sucks.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 8, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse
Co-sign.

My dad likes The Dead and I never understood why. It sucks when you're high, it's worse when you're sober.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 8, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?

Coin Toss: Are these "Coin Toss" things considered articles, or is Redskins Insider slacking?

Give me something to read! Im so bored at work!

Posted by: jwalte04 | March 8, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Yeah the new guy kinda blows. He hasn't provided anything hasn't been reported on PFT, ESPN, or Redskins Nation since he's been here.

Boring

Posted by: Devo2 | March 8, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable? Coin Toss: Are these "Coin Toss" things considered articles, or is Redskins Insider slacking? Give me something to read! Im so bored at work!"

Posted by: jwalte04 | March 8, 2011 2:33 PM


"Yeah the new guy kinda blows. He hasn't provided anything hasn't been reported on PFT, ESPN, or Redskins Nation since he's been here. Boring"

Posted by: Devo2 | March 8, 2011 4:57 PM

What do you guys expect him to do, make shti up? Cut him some slack; there is NOTHING going on right now.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 8, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Are huge rookie contracts justifiable?


NO

Next thread please...

Posted by: 44riggosranger44 | March 8, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Definitely, pay scale...

It drives the fans nuts to see crazy money thrown at someone who has done nothing, so it has to be driving the owners bonkers as well as the other players who've been through the trenches and show up week in and week out...

A scale would also bust some of these crazy egos that doom these top picks...they get caught up in the dollar signs and basically don't really have to do anything after signing....would you be pushed to work harder if you knew you already had $50 mil in the bank, of course not! And neither are these rookies....a pay scale tells them from the get go that they need to play consistently to earn the big bucks in the NFL, not just show up to practice...

And I think I speak for all fans when I say that none of us blinks an eye when a proven player gets a big contract (except for Big Al, of course! HA!)...

Posted by: rot8tor_man | March 8, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Hell is for heroes
And all of the zeroes
Locked out in the rain.

Posted by: frak | March 8, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Um... NO absolutely not. Rookies are unproven entities. Here are 5 good reasons for fiscal restraint with rookies:

1. Ryan Leaf
2. Charles Rogers
3. Jamarcus Russell
4. Dewayne Robertson
5. Heath Shuler

Posted by: SouthFLskinsfan | March 8, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Feeling her p*ssy
It gets kinda gushy
When she menstrates
A barrel of wine

Posted by: frak | March 8, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

With one last F5
dcsween rolls up his tent
Haiku Tuesday ends

Posted by: dcsween | March 8, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Need a good cry? Check out this fateful day 12 years ago when Dan Snyder was approved to buy the Redskins.

Pay special attention to the little passing motion Dan does with the ball at the very end.

He looks like a 12 year old girl throwing the ball...and I'm sorry if I just offended 12 year old girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NTRKn3Bi0A

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 8, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

beep beep beep beep beep
beep beep beep beep beep beep beep
beep beep beep beep beep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 8, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

sweet another coin toss... this guy sucks... bring back jreid

Posted by: spikeb122 | March 8, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The NFL needs a rookie wage scale base on their draft position. It doesn't make sense to overpay rookies and slight productive veterans. Initial contract term should be sliding as well. High draft picks with higher pay are locked for 3 years. Lower draft picks are locked for 1-2 years.

Posted by: hail_2_da_skins | March 9, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

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