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Vote: What's Your Take on the Lewis Hire?

We want to know what you think about the Redskins' hiring of Sherman Lewis. Is it a smart idea to bring in, as Vinny Cerrato says, "a fresh set of eyes?" Or is it, as Charley Casserly says, the "kiss of death" for Jim Zorn?

From the Bog

Only Tuesday, Jim Zorn was asked about his job responsibilities, via Dan Steinberg. And, from the postgame interview with Kelli Johnson, Jason Campbell said he thought he was playing for Zorn's job in the second half Sunday.

A Grimm Tale

Cody Grimm (does that last name ring a bell?) is a big reason for Virginia Tech's success, Mark Viera writes from Blacksburg.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 7, 2009; 10:23 AM ET
 
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Posted by: bostskin | October 7, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I think its a great move, anything that can help this offense is a great move.....but there is no other way to spin it than it is bad for Zorn, at the very least it is an admission by him that he needs help which is always a dangerous thing to tell your boss.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 7, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about this, we've seen it before, and it didn't do much good...it just indicates a vote of no confidence in the current staff, and the players will note it.

That being said, if we just want a bunch of Shermans out there, I'm available.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 7, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
Well sure the play calling is part of the problem, but still you would think CP would have 1 TD by now.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 10:39 AM |

Alex I think they are all the problem CP the Line and the play calling.

CP hasn't run hard all season until this past Sunday, he was not ready at the beginning of the year.

He does not work hard in training camp, nor does he work hard in practice.

Zorn or whoever the next coach is needs to bring tha hammer down on these guys and make them work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

JZ has too many hats, maybe this is the thing that needed to happen to lighten his responsibilities...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You all and your mother lovin' polls!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"What i need to do from this point on is forget what everybody else is saying and just go out there and play my game and do it the way I know how to do it, whether you like it or not," Campbell said.

Get 'em Campbell. Do that, and you'll be fine. Press like you did against TB in the first half, and this team will go down in flames.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"What i need to do from this point on is forget what everybody else is saying and just go out there and play my game and do it the way I know how to do it, whether you like it or not," Campbell said.

Get 'em Campbell. Do that, and you'll be fine. Press like you did against TB in the first half, and this team will go down in flames.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

he's been saying this for 3 years.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 7, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
We are spinning wheels in agreement.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Sign Dane Randolph(ex md.terp)off the Packers practice squad he can't be any worse than what we've got along the O-line anyway, Sherman Lewis may lend some insight, what bothers me is that we have no creativity in the running game it's like we've got about four running plays,now that might be a reflection on the O-line's inability to block i know one thing the Panthers are licking their collective chops on defense.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 7, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

psp is to funny....

I do respect your FB knowledge, but your entering 13 year old girl celebrity crush level.

Anyone else imagining psp's room plastered with posters of JC...hahaha classic.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell might be a good fit for Miami next year?

Posted by: BMACattack | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Sherm

I think you are exactly right. I think the FO means well but this move tells the players that JZ may have one foot out the door (which he may have anyway)It could work if he is an actual consultant, but if he is expected to do anymore it completely undermines the coaching staff. Our fans need to remember what the Eagles used to be before Reid came and how long it took him to get things going. Hiring and firing coaches every two, three years is going to have us having the same discussion for years to come. Patience people

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I get your point and agree.

But I also see things a little differently.

You have to wonder if defensive coordinators are just simply saying, "Hey, press the redskin receivers at the line and play a safety in the box."

If that is the case, it means that no matter how the line plays, it's up to the quarterback to make the throws into tight coverage that changes what a defense does against the skins.

And right now, our quarterback can't beat a team with his arm or decision-making.

That's why we can't score.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse
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That is certainly part of the problem. With this O performance though, I think all parts have some blame.

The O-line just isn't any good.
The QB won't throw to receivers until they make their breaks, making it harder for them to stay open.
The new WR's still run poor routes sometimes, leading to a lack of confidence from the QB.
The run blocking out and out stinks.

Put it all together, you get 14 points a game.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 7, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse
repost

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"he's been saying this for 3 years......."

Actually, this past offseason following the Cutler/Sanchez fiasco he was saying stuff more along the lines of 'we've got to be more aggressive, put the ball out there, push the ball downfield, etc.'

Snyder got into his head. Hopefully, not anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

JC is like terminal cancer. You know it is killing you and there is nothing you can do about it.

Posted by: hock1 | October 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

"CP hasn't run hard all season until this past Sunday.."

Well, Tampa helped him by playing two-deep safeties.

Tampa wanted to stop Moss deep.

The panthers will bring a safety into the box to Samuels' side to force an audible to the right behind Heyer/Rhinehart.

Let's see what happens then.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

If at the end of the season JC17 and Zorny are booted tis a lock that Campbell will be a starter on another team and the Zornmaster will never be a head coach again. JC will win a super-bowl, but not with the skins, maybe with Minnesota or some other grinder team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

If at the end of the season JC17 and Zorny are booted tis a lock that Campbell will be a starter on another team and the Zornmaster will never be a head coach again. JC will win a super-bowl, but not with the skins, maybe with Minnesota or some other grinder team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:02 AM |

Now we are no longer in agreement, JC will not be a starter in this league again unless the guy he is backing up gets hurt.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone else imagining psp's room plastered with posters of JC...hahaha classic.

Posted by: chrislarry"

Don't forget my computer desktop, too.

On a serious note, I know it's crazy, but I'd actually like this team to be successful. That includes the QB. Excuse my positive reinforcement.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You have to wonder if defensive coordinators are just simply saying, "Hey, press the redskin receivers at the line and play a safety in the box."

osted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 10:38 AM


If I can weigh in on this topic. Another question that comes to mind is why can't they beat press coverage more consistently? Is it the coaching they've received? You have to look at Satan Hixon as well. I don't think he's made any WR significantly better once he had them under his tutelage.

Posted by: TWISI | October 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

We've amended the poll. U like?:

What does the hiring of Sherman Lewis mean for Jim Zorn's job security?

a. It's enhanced to where he's erect for more than 4 hours.

b. It's diminished to where he is smaller than the man who signs his check.

c. It means nothing as Shanahan has already assembled a staff.

d. all of the above

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer, Andy Reid (you said "how long it took him to get going") went 5-11 in his first season with the Iggles... and after that he went 11-5, 11-5, 12-4, 12-4, 13-3.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/ReidAn0.htm

I understand what you're saying about patience, and I'm as guilty as the next guy of the hypocrisy of advocating for continuity AND being absurdly impatient when things aren't awesome right now. But Andy Reid is not the best example of a guy who took a long time to turn a program around. Andy Reid's trajectory was not a slow build, it was more like Joe Gibbs'... one bad/mediocre season and then, starting in the second season, a long run of unequivocal success.

I also don't see Zorn leading this team out of a paper bag, much less to a long run of unequivocal success.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 7, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

My take on Sherm Lewis hiring:

Another cook in a kitchen that's on fire.

Posted by: p1funk | October 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I hope Sherman can be of use since the Redskins will have to play better than they have in order to win this week.

Carolina may be 0-3, but they are coming off a bye, and are just a season removed from 12-4. They have much more talent than our previous three opponents.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, 1/3 of the teams in the NFL are with out a legit QB or using a over the hill Kerry Collins type to hold them over till they can find something. Camp is no star but he is good enough to wander from team to team and start for a few seasons. He will be a jeff garcia/brad johnson type.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

al, thats a HUGE stretch...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If at the end of the season JC17 and Zorny are booted tis a lock that Campbell will be a starter on another team and the Zornmaster will never be a head coach again. JC will win a super-bowl, but not with the skins, maybe with Minnesota or some other grinder team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I have two words for you, Patrick Ramsey. The only way JC is a starter again is if the guy he is backing up gets hurt, and the only way he wins the Super Bowl is a back up on a good team. Please don't forget Snyder tried to give him to every team in the league this offseason and nobody wanted him then, after this dismal performance what on gawd's green earth makes you think that's changed.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 7, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, TWISI, "Satan" Hixon? That seems a little harsh for a position coach whose charges are getting middling results.

Or maybe it was a Freudian-slip typo sort of thing :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 7, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Excuse my positive reinforcement.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:05 AM

What about the OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 7, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

4th, I gave you my oline read on last post.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

VINNY: Your court is prepared, your majesty.
DANNO: Well, that's fine but we need a sound bite.
VINNY: Sound what?
DANNO: Bite. Bite! You know, like one of those snappy sayings, like no comment.
You know, for the thing, the whoosamajig.
VINNY: Oh, now I get it. How about Anybody but Jim?
DANNO: He was your idea, pal. What else you got?
VINNY: I know! New Coach, New Deal for the Redskins!
DANNO: Been done, Vinny. Besides, he's not a coach, he's a thing, a thingamahootchie.
He's what, like a new set of eyes.
VINNY: Hey.....

Posted by: bostskin | October 7, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Jack, while you and a bunch of other people have seized on this "Nobody in the league would trade a ham sandwich for Jason Campbell" meme, I think it's a bunch of hoo-hah promulgated by a devious front office.

Do I believe a few trade offers were floated by our front office with the goal of moving Campbell and getting another QB, and that all of those offers were rebuffed? Yes, I do.

But do I believe that "every team in the league" passed on Campbell? No, no freakin' way.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 7, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, Tampa helped him by playing two-deep safeties.

Tampa wanted to stop Moss deep.

The panthers will bring a safety into the box to Samuels' side to force an audible to the right behind Heyer/Rhinehart.

Let's see what happens then.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Teams have been cloud covering Moss since forever.

There are times when the running games is on point, but lately, even with cloud coverage, the running game has been non-existent.

Besides, safeties are normally the third line of defense, and Portis is lucky if can break past the first line -- the d-line.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

shaun

"Carolina may be 0-3,... and are just a season removed from 12-4."

Sho you right.

They probably look at us like a fat kid does a bag of candy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

How are you going to fix the problem this team has if you don't know what the problem is? I mean the problem is being there for five years, staring you in front of your nose and you still don't see it. The problem is JC the Teflon QB - this guy could kill someone in front of full stadium and they still will blame someone else. He is not even as good as Patrick Ramsey, and you know where he is now - collecting un-employment.

I say, get rid of this coaching staff maybe a new coach can exterminate the roaches leading this team.

Posted by: hock1 | October 7, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The comments here that this is a lame Snyder move are idiotic.

A stadium full of boos. Months of anti-everything rants about the offense. Anyone defending JC17 being called to task.
Yada yada.

The FO does takes the high road - keep Zorn and get him help - and you decry the move? If I recall, Lord Gibbs hired Musgrave for the same reason and when Musgrave moved to Atlanta he hired Saunders.

Zorn needs to take the opportunity to be the HEAD COACH now instead of being a coordinator/position coach. It's still his job to lose. Can he step up? Time will see.

For the haters. Shut up.

Posted by: kmag1

Absolutely agree! I have no idea whether this is a good, bad, or indifferent move BUT Snyder and Vinny DO listen to the boos and the flippin media (they probably should not listen to the media but they do) so what does everyone expect????

There is a state of unrest and they felt like they needed to do SOMETHING. Firing the coach right now would have created even more unrest.

Not sure if I agree - I'm just sayin'

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 7, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Guys, If you ran your business this way you'd be broke!!! We are the fodder here. We are the only ones who want a winner. They don't come and brave the elements for these games. There is no accountability to the fans.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 7, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Zorn or whoever the next coach is needs to bring tha hammer down on these guys and make them work.
Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2009 10:45 AM

That’s one of my knocks as well. I keep beating the drum that this team is soft. Training camp was a joke, and apparently practices are as well. If the system worked and they could be called a “finesse” team, I think I could live with it. But Zorn and Co are just way too medium. They don’t need another Marty S, but they do need a coach who isn’t afraid to make these guys work hard to stay in shape, and to work hard to EARN and KEEP their jobs. I would hope that should things continue the way they are, that they will be looking for a new HC at years end. This is where I think Russ Grimm would top my list. They guy is tough, and I think his team would reflect his toughness. All that new HC stuff aside, I would love to see Sherm Lewis come in and point out to Zorn exactly what needs to be improved upon, and that the number one thing is that the practices are a joke. Then as long as things get better as the year progresses, keep Zorny around for a while longer…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"What about the OLine?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

I hope they turn it around too. Protect Campbell like they did against the Giants and I'll be great with them. Run block like they did in the second half against TB, and I'll be satisfied.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Teams have been cloud covering Moss since forever."


Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

The jints' Corey Webster had Moss on lock one-on-one the whole game.

The bucs' Talib got his INTS while covering Moss--am I the only one who noticed this?

This week, Chris Gamble will have Moss to himself, freeing a safety to move up and run blitz.

What will stop it?: Campbell making a few on point throws to Moss or Randle El making plays on the opposute side from the slot(like in the jints game).

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Peeps still fixating on the either/or argument for what's wrong:

It's all JCs fault...Or it's all the OLine fault...or the receivers fault for not getting open...or the play calling/coaching...or the EVP/GM...or the Owner.

Maybe, just maybe, it's a combo of some/all of the above.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I hope they turn it around too. Protect Campbell like they did against the Giants and I'll be great with them. Run block like they did in the second half against TB, and I'll be satisfied.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:22 AM

But you kill them all the time in your analysis when finding excuses for JC. They need positive reinforcement too....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 7, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"The bucs' Talib got his INTS while covering Moss--am I the only one who noticed this?"

Apparently, because it didn't happen. One pick came against Moss in double coverage. The other two came against Kelly one-on-one on a go route and against Kelly on on a crossing route.

You're better than that.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lewis is a necessary piece to the puzzle (a play caller) to being able to let Zorn go during the season.

If the Redskins lose two in a row before the bye week in November, Zorn is gone.

Posted by: hapster | October 7, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The term "train wreck" is becoming increasingly applicable. Being as it's Washington, can we impeach someone?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 7, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

the insanity continues. "Fresh set of eyes" is utter BS. Everyone knows what is wrong with this team.

He is being brought in to learn the players and the offensive scheme, then Zorn will be canned, Blache will be given the Head Coaching job, and Lewis will be the offensive head coach.

Snyder, die of AIDS yesterday.

Posted by: whughes1 | October 7, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, because it didn't happen. One pick came against Moss in double coverage. The other two came against Kelly one-on-one on a go route and against Kelly on on a crossing route.

You're better than that.

Posted by: psps23

After the game, BMitch was placing the INTs blame more on Kelly than on JC.

Posted by: Lisa_R | October 7, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"We are the only ones who want a winner"

Galactically stupid post of the day. Congrats...Next you'll tell me that Snyder is only interested in selling Jersey's......

Here's a hint:

Engage Brain

Then hit Submit

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"But you kill them all the time in your analysis when finding excuses for JC."

Actually, I really don't. Especially with regards to their effect on JC. I gave them props all season, with the exception of the TB game in the first half, for giving solid protection. And I criticized the hell out of JC for his performance against TB, or have you conveniently forgotten how many times I said I wanted him pulled at halftime?

Where I do criticize them is in the run game, which is indefensibly bad right now. Unfortunately, people on here (and apparently you too) spin that into me giving an excuse for JC. How that works, I have no idea.

Posted by: psps23 | October 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am with nate, the team tried to work a hand full of weird 3 way trades for Campbell to team X(Browns) for Cutler. They did not try and pawn him off to 31 teams for a 4th round pick or anything.

A Free agent Campbell would end up a starter in a few cities, St. Louis, Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland or Oakland, and probably have a shot in Seattle or Tenn or zona, and I stand by Minnesota if their current starters were to retire. Not to mention Tampa, Carolina, and Jaxsonville all have questions at the QB spot for the near future.

And if you think Jason Campbell is no better then Ramsey, you're goin' full retard.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Only to be outdone by this beauty:

"Snyder, die of AIDS yesterday"

How about another hobby....tiddly-winks, wood-working, scuba......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"You're better than that."


Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I do believe a large part of the problem is play calling, there is no lust for blood on this team or coaching staff. If they are locking down all the WR, then our running game should be great...but we seem to get away from what we do best, which is running the ball and setting up the pass. However, JC nor the WR are keeping any defenses honest with their abilities, but how much of that is Zorn, how much is JC. Without a doubt you can say JC locks onto WR's and looks no where else.

Granted Favre had all day to pass the ball, but you can see him looking all over the field, even with DL in his face, he is calm...JC seems to freak out and lock in, just my opinion.

It may help if we called other plays to change it up, but there will be no change if JC cant even look at other WR.

I cant believe with how poor Heyer is playing that we have not even looked at anyone...Is that on Buges, Zorn, FO or what?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh I forgot Cincinnati, is on the list of teams in the NFL lacking a consistent QB. Palmer has just not looked good since the injury.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

And if you think Jason Campbell is no better then Ramsey, you're goin' full retard.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:32 AM

Both seem to have happy feet, lack of touch with passes and poor vision...either way you look at it, you arent building a Super Bowl contender with either QB

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone else imagining psp's room plastered with posters of JC...hahaha classic.

Posted by: chrislarry"

Don't forget my computer desktop, too.

On a serious note, I know it's crazy, but I'd actually like this team to be successful. That includes the QB. Excuse my positive reinforcement.

Posted by: psps23

Don't forget the Carlos Rogers autographed list of Top Ten NFL Corners.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 7, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Zorn or whoever the next coach is needs to bring tha hammer down on these guys and make them work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2009 10:46 AM

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To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 7, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I would take Palmer over JC/ Ramsey anyday...accurate, sees the field and has a cannon of an arm, seems to make a lot of the difficult throws and/or seems to try at least.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Snyder, die of AIDS yesterday.

Posted by: whughes1

that's pretty classy and way wrong

Posted by: connskins | October 7, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Why wasnt it posted that we were taking a look at Chris Henry for RB? Or was it and I missed it?

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I voted it means nothing because I don't think it will make a difference. The issues the skins have are more than the staff, they have personnel issues and coaching issues. I mean I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it making a ton of difference in the final outcome.

Posted by: Veretax | October 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Snyder and Vinny DO listen to the boos and the flippin media (they probably should not listen to the media but they do) so what does everyone expect????

It's not about expectations, it's about what they should be doing. They should hire an experienced GM. They should let the GM run the show and not throw their two-bits in.

But, we all know that's not going to happen. Several people mentioned weeks ago that what they expected to happen was they'd hire a consultant and he'd take over on the bye week.

This whole move is right in line with all the ticky-tacky BS they pull all the time. They have done what was expected, not what they should have. That's why people are upset.

Posted by: Megskin | October 7, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

mh, you missed it, it was posted...I thought they should have kept him, but what do I know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1, it was posted a day or two back, when it happened.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 7, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Laugh if Dane randolph was any good, don't you think the packers would already have them on their active roster? LOL Their O-line is dreadful, worse than ours right now.

Posted by: Veretax | October 7, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Lotta doom and gloom and unemployment forecasts up here one day after Lewis' arrival, before a single thing has happened.

Hypothetical question: Suppose the Skins hang 30+ points on Carolina Sunday, winning convincingly.

Just humor me here. What becomes the meme then?

Posted by: freakzilla | October 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1 ,

Pre-injury Palmer, sure, but post injury palmer is like a vietnam vet in a wheel chair with PTSD "I have seen some things and some stuff, I wouldn't recomend it"

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell might be a good fit for Miami next year?
Posted by: BMACattack | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM

Maybe we could trade him straight up for Jason Taylor and a tuna sandwich.

Posted by: will_ga | October 7, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1 ,

Pre-injury Palmer, sure, but post injury palmer is like a vietnam vet in a wheel chair with PTSD "I have seen some things and some stuff, I wouldn't recomend it"

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

freak, thats kinda my school of thought as well....lets let this guy actually do something before we label this move as stupid, reckless, etc.....lets try and be not so knee-jerky, and such, maps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

what has been the big media's reaction to this...or has that been supersceded by the blood in the water....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

lol...

Nice "Family Guy" rip, alex.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

freak, thats kinda my school of thought as well....lets let this guy actually do something before we label this move as stupid, reckless, etc.....lets try and be not so knee-jerky, and such, maps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 7, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Are you advising us to stay.... medium?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What's really behind the move?? What conspiracy is lurking??? You guys are a bunch of losers.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

when are they going to bring in "a fresh set of eyes" for the GM position thats where they need any set of eyes to see thats the problem..cant really blame the Danny with a yes man lapdog like vinny saying everything he thinks up is great and its just like fantasy football..

Posted by: heathdog1119 | October 7, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

When their offensive genius coach flubbed, they brought in a defensive minded guy named Singletary who set the right tone from day one.

At some point, the Redskins' front office has to man up and re-do this thing.

If they don't, the empty seats will single that they should.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 9:49 AM |

Christ, what a turdball post.

1. The dude that Single replaced was previous the DC for Balt, not an "offensive genius". BTW, Mac & Nol at Den - watch out! Them dudes is bringing the lumber.

2. Doesn't know there is a word "signal" as in "will signal that they should".

Needs to sign up for more special ed classes. If there were a taxi squad for this blog he would be on it.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Freakzilla

If the o were somehow able to put up 30, which I dont think will happen, people on this blog will complain that the performance was fluke and that they should have scored 40.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, missed it...I dont know about Palmer though, I think he has looked somewhat decent this year, Still finding people in the endzone???

Palmer 2009 Cincinnati Bengals 4 4 79 137 57.7 845 6.2 6 5 9 62 75.2

Jcamp 2009 Washington Redskins 4 4 81 124 65.3 963 7.8 5 5 8 51 85.5

Not too far apart this year...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I think the Sherman Lewis hire is good. I think it'll help in a lot of areas.

Not everything the 'skins do is bad. From front office to on the field.

It gives Snyder a line as to know if Zorn is "the real deal".

Which I believe, he is NOT.

Who the hell is a Dane Randolph?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

That LeBron James is one powerful dude. He got a football player traded.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | October 7, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Teams have done this over the years; the Texans brought in Dan Reeves last year(?) - what I wonder is, do these "consultants" actually ever DO anything? I've never heard of any tangible activities that they have ever been involved with for any team.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 7, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

f at the end of the season JC17 and Zorny are booted tis a lock that Campbell will be a starter on another team and the Zornmaster will never be a head coach again. JC will win a super-bowl, but not with the skins, maybe with Minnesota or some other grinder team.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:02 AM |

Now we are no longer in agreement, JC will not be a starter in this league again unless the guy he is backing up gets hurt.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 7, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse
==========================================

Campbell will be a starter again in this league, and may even be pretty successful. Most teams aren't as dysfunctional as this one, and are constructed to maximize the qb's success. Unlike this one.

The QB is 1 of 11 players on the offense. Its up to the GM and coaches to build a team that allows all players to succeed.

Posted by: kingtutts | October 7, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

If you ask me this guy is being brought in mainly to do one thing: place blame.

I think this guy is going to get in there and "advise" for three to four weeks, but really he'll be there to assess the situation. He's going to report directly to Snyder whether there is a talent problem, a coaching problem, an attitude problem, or a combination thereof.

He's going to help Snyder make a decision about Zorn, and about some of the players.

I do think he's going to try to help the team, but I think that's his secondary objective. I think while coaching our young WRs and RBs, he'll also be making cuts and starts in his head.

I just wonder if he really does go to Snyder and will be able to say "VC has f'd this team up", or whether VC will always be in the room - pressuring Lewis to place blame elsewhere.

Posted by: REXskins | October 7, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Palmer 2009 Cincinnati Bengals 4 4 79 137 57.7 845 6.2 6 5 9 62 75.2

Jcamp 2009 Washington Redskins 4 4 81 124 65.3 963 7.8 5 5 8 51 85.5

Not too far apart this year...

Posted by: mhartz1


I can identify completion percentage, yards thrown, yards per attempt, games started/played, attempts, and completions, and rating.

What do the other numbers mean?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, the pungent odor of Campbell defenders. Please refer to first half of last week's game and shove your excuses. The guy is bad. He went out of his way to prove it. He fumbles like the football is a greased pig. He doesn't look off receivers and he plays favorites with his pass selection. His wind up to throw is ridiculously long. He holds onto the ball for too long. Man-to-man coverage scares the heck out of him because I think he cannot anticipate his receivers' break.

Jason Campbell is not the team's only problem but he is one of them. I will grant you that some his deficiencies are related to the offensive line and play calling. If you take those away I think you're still left with a mediocre quarterback. Read some of the stuff the analysts are saying. Cris Carter slammed him. Rodney Harrison slammed him. You'd think these guys know a thing or two about football. The couldn't trade him. Okay, maybe not all 31 teams passed on him, but I think enough did to make you wonder. How do you justify defending Campbell when the Broncos thought that "barely adequate" Kyle Orton was better? Incidentally, those Bronco's are now 4-0, so call them geniuses for going the direction that they did.

How about the intangibles? Is he a leader? No. He is the "huddle whisperer". He has the pity, not the respect, of his teammates. Does he have pocket presence? Heck, the first week he didn't even step into the pocket! He still doesn't have that feel for rushers that other QB's have. Is he game smart? Last week he threw a backwards pass that very luckily went out of bounds. A few weeks ago he threw a pass when he was three yards past the line of scrimmage! those are not the acts of an experienced QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Sign Dane Randolph(ex md.terp)off the Packers practice squad he can't be any worse than what we've got along the O-line anyway.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 7, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

_________________________

This is a pretty funny statement, considering the Packers offensive line is worse than ours right now and the guy can't even make their active roster.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 7, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

F LeB!tchmade James.

Dude is so pu**y.

Funny how the 9ers accused the Jets of tampering with Crabtree, then the day he signs, they trade for Edwards.

Conspiracy much? I think so.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I just wonder if he really does go to Snyder and will be able to say "VC has f'd this team up", or whether VC will always be in the room - pressuring Lewis to place blame elsewhere.

Posted by: REXskins | October 7, 2009 12:00 PM |

Good point...how much can ONE help if he has been out of the league for some time?

I am hoping he comes in and says, hey guys we need to take the training wheels off this bus and see what the players can do, i.e. DT, M. Mitchell, let JC play, etc and really find out where we are at with talent and coaching. Maybe he will come in and say, hey Zorn is right, they are close, but need to pay attention to details and enforce some real discipline here, who the F knows.

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So is this guy basically a bench coach at this point? Just sits there and when Zorn wants to go for it on 4th and goal he shouts at him to not run a sweep to the left?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I can identify completion percentage, yards thrown, yards per attempt, games started/played, attempts, and completions, and rating.

What do the other numbers mean?

Posted by: RedDMV

Those are winning lottery numbers.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Red...

Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I can identify completion percentage, yards thrown, yards per attempt, games started/played, attempts, and completions, and rating.

What do the other numbers mean?

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Games played, games started, attempt, completion, comp %, yds, ypa, TD, Int, sack, sack yards lost, QBR is I believe the order.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

RSH, preachin' to the board on the glorious Tuesday afternoon.

Mmmmmmmmm-Emmm-Hmmmmmm...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

My girlfriend, who knows nothing about football has been watching games with me instead of doing yoga.

Between LaFavre zipping rocket passes, the Packers gang tackling of Peterson, the speedy sheenanigans of guys like Johhny Knox, and the muscling quickness of Brandon Marshall, there's been a lot of good football plays for her to enjoy.

Heck, even Jamarcus Russell and the Raiders was fun to watch on Monday Night Football against the Pats.

This Sunday, while watching Washington vs. Tampa Bay, she turns to me and says, "Why is your team so much slower than everyone else?"

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

'preciate that mh and alex.

I don't look at box scores much.

THEY LIE!

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

DC, the place where first round QBs die. Let's draft another one they say!! Let's get another new coach they say!! That'll fix it they say!!! I can't wait to see who the next QB failure will be. We have no offensive line, a 30 year running back with over 2,000 carries, and a bunch of underdeveloped WRs. I wouldn't sign with this crappy team if I was a top tier QB. Who the heck wants to be the Steven Jackson of QBs?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

If the skins light up the panthers, i am pretty sure everyone will be psyched...no your right we will all be miserable...

(head hurts from eye rolling)

"wait and see" = staying medium = power rankings...

like there isn't a pattern here over the last 12 seasons? Past is prologue.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Red, its wednesday i think. may be wrong I took a 3 day weekend.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Red,
Everything is a lie, you just need to figure out what lies you want to believe in and call the truth.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Yoga does sound like a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 7, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

wow deep nietzsche35332

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

F BegB!tch

"The dude that Single replaced was previous the DC for Balt..."

I'm sorry.

I was thinking Mike Mike Martz or Norv Turner.

Right now, I'll just ask you to turnover.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

wow deep nietzsche35332

Posted by: chrislarry

When your logic is defeated, all you have left to fall back on is philosophy...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 7, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"This Sunday, while watching Washington vs. Tampa Bay, she turns to me and says, "Why is your team so much slower than everyone else?""

Tell her I ask myself that very same question every week. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 7, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I prefer a 9-7 win over a 48-43 loss.

[This isn't BCS ... you only need to win games to get into and then advance in the post season.]

Maybe I'm over-explaining myself.

Posted by: dcsween | October 7, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

OK - Campbell is mediocre, middle of the road, not a winner, uncomfortable, not a leader, etc. etc. etc.

BUT - taking last week's first half and saying "Campbell proved he sucked.." is taking one instance of a bad half and applying it to everything Campbell has done or not done. And it's not a fair analysis.

Regardles of Campbell's "medium" stature, he has NEVER had a half even close to that bad, and probably won't again.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

How are you going to fix the problem this team has if you don't know what the problem is? I mean the problem is being there for five years, staring you in front of your nose and you still don't see it. The problem is JC the Teflon QB - this guy could kill someone in front of full stadium and they still will blame someone else. He is not even as good as Patrick Ramsey, and you know where he is now - collecting un-employment.

Posted by: hock1 | October 7, 2009 11:18 AM

Your hatred of JC has now crossed the threshold of rational thinking.

JC has started for just over 2 seasons, and this team has averaged over 20 points only ONCE since 2000 (22.5 points/game in 2005). During that span, there have been 10 starting QBs and 6 head coaches.

All that's JCs fault? You want to blame him for the state of the economy too? Stop hating!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Yoga does sound like a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

yeah if you are my wife

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it is Wednesday though.

To quote cL: Past is prologue.

This has been a long azz week for me.

*uggggguh*

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

alan,

"stop loving!"

see how dumb that sounds? same deal...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

cL doesn't do yoga and neither does Albert Haynesworth and prolly not Jason Reid either.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 7, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

alex kickin' the knowledge...

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

A Free agent Campbell would end up a starter in a few cities, St. Louis, Buffalo, Miami, Cleveland or Oakland, and probably have a shot in Seattle or Tenn or zona, and I stand by Minnesota if their current starters were to retire. Not to mention Tampa, Carolina, and Jaxsonville all have questions at the QB spot for the near future.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

No way Jason ends up in Miami last offseason. Chad P. had just taken the Fins to the playoffs, Chad H. had been drafted to take over at the end of 2009, why trade for Jason Campbell in that scenario? I think you're also reaching a lot by putting the Rams, Titans and Panthers in there.

Of course SOME teams would have traded for Jason then, the Vikings (when Favre wasn't coming) Raiders, and Bucs spring to mind right away, but the others you list are a real reach Alex. Remember this was at the end of LAST season, NOT now.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 7, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Logic is a philosophy.
Any my logic was not defeated, I stated that Campbell would be able to find a starting job in the NFL if the skins were to lose him, because there are enough teams out there with worse qb's or AARPQB's and all those teams will not find a rookie who can start and no one has proven that wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

this has been a long azz week for me.

*uggggguh*

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:23 PM |

I second that...

Posted by: mhartz1 | October 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

So I've been out (damn four letter word ... beginning with 'w'). Have you guys already discussed the non-skin color reason that Sherm Lewis (four Super Bowl rings) has not gotten a head coaching job? Also, if he and The Owner have a discussion about whether he should be hired as head coach, does that satisfy Rooney Rule purposes if The Owner wants to bring in the only-successful-early-in-his-HC-career-and-owes-it-all-to-Elway retread Shanahan and dub him head coach/president (whatever title Gibbs had) before the season is even over?

Posted by: dcsween | October 7, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh and my 2c on Sherman Oaks? He's "the Bobs".

And that makes Jim Zorn Milton Waddams....

Posted by: Redcoat | October 7, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

good comeback chia.....

i tried yoga in college....i would go crazy high....i would pass right out during the meditation part...the instructer was all "you are so spirtual" and i was all, toots i am high out of my mind!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Apparently my boy Fedor got married. Congrats to the best fighter in MMA history.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Let's see what happens then.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 11:00 AM


Then Cooley lines up on the right and they try and cover him w/ a linebacker.

They should try desgined plays to move the pocket around a little more too. JC has shown he can scramble well enough.

Posted by: saltine182 | October 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

They offer yoga classes at my job.

I've never heard not one dude taking the class.

Yoga is for ladies. Dudes indulge in a substance of choice to ease the mind.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, really? After all the beyotchin' about JZ during the last 4 weeks, most think bringing in someone to help is a BAD idea?!

I'm truly surprised. I'm not saying I love the move. I'd be happier w/ a mid-season takeover at HC, Staff, PrzFbOp & QB. But I don't see a true problem with it.

I've been saying since week 2 that these guys need to know they are on the 'hot seat'. Pressure from the fans & media wasn't enough, it seems.

Soup's performance has improved (perhaps not enough, but maybe all he can) since he was 'put on notice' in the offseason. Why should Zorn, who is equally if not more responsible for the porblems, remain un-chastized?!

It may not have a short term positive effect, but if it either motivates the staff or tags them for replacement, it's positive development.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Not happy with the team's offensive production through the first four games, the Redskins made perhaps their biggest offensive move since hiring Coach Jim Zorn -- bringing on a consultant to help Zorn run his offense."

Swell. Thomas still can't learn the plays, Kelly can't get open, Davis can't block, Betts can't run, Portis is searching for his missing burst, and Campbell is entering year five of his Inconsistency Period.

How's this old git sposed to help again?

Posted by: TheCork | October 7, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

This may have been posted already but there is a nice little article at the Watimes about the home grown youth movement on defense:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/07/redskins-finally-feeling-the-draft/

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

red

"...I took a 3 day weekend.."

I suggest we kill more famous people in order to get more three day weekends and holidays.

I'd furniish a list, but some of the names are people in this blog.

Right now, they are all the dudes thinking, "F Moe."

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the 9ers accused the Jets of tampering with Crabtree, then the day he signs, they trade for Edwards.

Conspiracy much? I think so.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:04 PM |

Good point my man.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

alan,

"stop loving!"

see how dumb that sounds? same deal...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:24 PM

Funny comparison, CL, but such is the English language. For example, I can say "you suck" or I can say "you blow"--two seemingly opposite statements--and they could both correctly describe you, no?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 7, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

You mean, moe, if someone kills, say "The Truth", we'll get a 3 day weekend?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

red, does taking yoga for a few weeks to get into a girls drawers count as manly....ok prolly not....but i have to put in the work ya know, not blessed with great physical gifts...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the QB Jackson from Minnesota has more of an upside than Jason Campbell.

Could definitely see the Rams taking a flier on JC given that they have no one behind Bulger.

WTF happened to Delhomme? It crazy though:

Campbell: Pick Shook
Delhomme: Pick Shock

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

My girlfriend, who knows nothing about football has been watching games with me instead of doing yoga.

Between LaFavre zipping rocket passes, the Packers gang tackling of Peterson, the speedy sheenanigans of guys like Johhny Knox, and the muscling quickness of Brandon Marshall, there's been a lot of good football plays for her to enjoy.

Heck, even Jamarcus Russell and the Raiders was fun to watch on Monday Night Football against the Pats.

This Sunday, while watching Washington vs. Tampa Bay, she turns to me and says, “You’re movin’ with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.” I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought, “Nah, forget it. Yo, holmes to Bel-Air!” I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabbie, “Yo holmes smell ya later!” Looked at my kingdom I was finally there, to sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air"

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Then Cooley lines up on the right and they try and cover him w/ a linebacker (if Fred Davis is flexed wide, a la Witten/Clark)."


Cooley wins that battle, then.

I wonder if Sherm's extra eyes will see that?

To be honest, I think Sherm's eyes, like Zorn's, will be looking up DC area long distance moving companies.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse


Everything is a lie, you just need to figure out what lies you want to believe in and call the truth.

Posted by: alex35332

If everything is a lie, what you just wrote is a lie too, meaning you are actually saying not everything is a lie. This may or may not be true.

Regardless, I recommend you keep a fire extinguisher handy for the next time your slacks burst into spontaneously combust.

Posted by: TheCork | October 7, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"you suck" or I can say "you blow"

hmmm as a enthusiastic receiver i find subtle but exciting differences...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 7, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Swell. Thomas still can't learn the plays, Kelly can't get open, Davis can't block, Betts can't run, Portis is searching for his missing burst, and Campbell is entering year five of his Inconsistency Period.

How's this old git sposed to help again?

Posted by: TheCork | October 7, 2009 12:29 PM |

As Larry David would say, pretty pretty pretty pretty good summary of the current state of things Skin. No need to get snarky with a senior though.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | October 7, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey...remember when the Raiders hired Tom Walsh to be their Offensive Coordinator in 2006 when he had been out of the league for a bunch of years running a bed and breakfast?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 7, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | October 7, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

JohnDinhouston

"You mean, moe, if someone kills, say "The Truth", we'll get a 3 day weekend?"

Naw.

According to the famous dead guy scale I've created, taking out TheTruth is, like, an afternoon off with your check already directly deposited before the wife figures out what's up.

But if you take out sports_guru, firejimzorn, and, maybe, mistamoe, bro', that's like a three day weekend with a bowl game and a parade.

Gitcha rifle ready, Mr. Oswald, the window is open!

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 7, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

red, does taking yoga for a few weeks to get into a girls drawers count as manly....ok prolly not....but i have to put in the work ya know, not blessed with great physical gifts...

Posted by: chrislarry

lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 7, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I think what Alex means (correct me if i'm mistaken, Al) is that our concept of truth is inherently flawed. We only deal with the aspects of reality we can perceive and cognize (cognate?).

Our senses only allow us to observe a miniscule portion of reality and we have to conceptualize the rest without experiencing it... hence religion, science, art... language....communication through symbols and symbolic behavior, etc.

Therefore, as the blind men describing the elephant, we talk about portions of truth... arbitrarily deciding what truth actually is.

Or, in the words of the great (and by great, I mean OMG, did he actually say/do/get away with/ that?!) William Jefferson Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think what Alex means (correct me if i'm mistaken, Al) is that our concept of truth is inherently flawed. We only deal with the aspects of reality we can perceive and cognize (cognate?).

Our senses only allow us to observe a miniscule portion of reality and we have to conceptualize the rest without experiencing it... hence religion, science, art... language....communication through symbols and symbolic behavior, etc.

Therefore, as the blind men describing the elephant, we talk about portions of truth... arbitrarily deciding what truth actually is.

Or, in the words of the great (and by great, I mean OMG, did he actually say/do/get away with/ that?!) William Jefferson Clinton: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

cL, you were using a yoga class as game?

Nah, dude. Nothin' wrong with that. S**t, I give props for that.

Hell the other day on the way home, I got off the bus a few stops early just to wrap a convo with a chick. Some might call that pressed, but I was just influenced by the power of the p****.

It gets us dudes all the time.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 7, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

ooooohhh.... echo! niiiice!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 7, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

all those teams will not find a rookie who can start and no one has proven that wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 7, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Chad Henne Alex?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 7, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"as a enthusiastic receiver i find subtle but exciting differences..."

indeed.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 7, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Adding Sherman Lewis should help if Zorn listens to him. Zorn has demonstrated that he can be stubborn and loyal to a fault by not giving "ALL" players a chance to play. He has refused to use MM and AA and seems determined to stick with 1 yard a carry (on most carriers) Portis. He needs someone to tell him to turn this offense loose and stop being so damn conservative and predictable with his play calling.

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 7, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Offensive woes!!!!! Are you kidding me? This teams has a whole lot more to fix than just a non-scoring offense. A year ago the defense could stop the run and now teams are running right thru the d-line even with the $100 million dollar gap filler!!! Hell where's the defensive consultant??? Offensively why don't we stop running so many stretch plays and start running between the tackles and off tackle more. Make tha O-line start pushing people around for once. Stretch run plays only work when you have a running back willing and able to cut back(Portis) or knows when to cut up field(Betts)!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | October 7, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have played 4 regular season games in 2009. In the Giants game, the defense concentrated on stopping the run, but the Giants' passing game was successful in converting 3rd downs. The Giants also have one of the better offensive lines in the NFL.
Time of possession favored NYG. The Rams game seemed to be a red zone offense problem compounded by 2 dropped passes. In other words the Skins should have scored 14 more points. The first half of the Lions game was largely the fault of the defense, i.e, initially to 5 yard penalties got Detroit out of the hole, but passes were not defended effectively and a majority of the third downs were converted. Time of possession heavilly favored the Lions in the 1st half. The second half was more balanced. The Bucs game was more on Campbell and the offensive line. The 3rd quarter was the only one were both offense and defense did their jobs effectively. The Bucs had about 10 of possession in the 4th
quarter. This does not address the 2008 season, but suggest the 2009 problems were not all on the offense.

Posted by: fwroy | October 7, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

This is another example of that midget owner's amateurish moves at trying to fix a football team.

Posted by: bendan2000 | October 7, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Where's the option for Snyder's a freeking moron?

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 8, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize the offense needed something. If we can't go out and get players, then a "consultant" is the next best thing.

Current odds are 80% Zorn is out at end of year, 10% is out before year end, and 10% he stays.

And would everyone quit saying the Skins should "blow out" the opponent because they are so bad. Reality is the Skins NEVER blow out anybody so the chance of doing so is as probable as Rush taking Obama to dinner.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | October 8, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

BLOCKING + TACKLING = WINNING

JUST WIN BABY!

Posted by: BenThere | October 8, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

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