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Redskins Release Young, Add Bowen (Updated)

The Redskins have switched practice-squad linebackers, dropping Darrel Young and adding Alvin Bowen. The team announced the moves today.

Bowen, 25, was a fourth-round draft pick by Buffalo (247th overall) out of Iowa State in 2008. He was on injured reserve last season, though, because of a training-camp knee injury. He was waived from the practice squad by the Bills on Tuesday.

Young was signed as an undrafted free agent in early May, was cut on Sept. 5 and was signed to the practice squad Sept. 7.

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Rick Maese reports that Mike Williams is not practicing today.

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It's that time of week again...time to pick against Wilbon, that is.


By Jason Reid  |  September 24, 2009; 11:24 AM ET
 
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Comments

Nice, Alvin will help us score a Touchdown!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 24, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the news, that's really informative!! Maybe you'd like to say a few words about who either of these guys are?

Posted by: REXskins | September 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I was just getting used to the tinsel...WTF?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Shifting chairs around on the deck of the Titantic...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the news, that's really informative!! Maybe you'd like to say a few words about who either of these guys are?

Posted by: REXskins | September 24, 2009 11:33 AM

Don't quote me on this, but I think one of them is actually a chipmunk.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

To heck with it, I say we run left.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Bowen, 25, was a fourth-round draft pick by Buffalo (247th overall)

That's gotta be 147th overall right?? Because 247th sounds like 7th round territory......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Not that draft status ensures success, but to get a guy with enough talent to be taken in the middle rounds of the draft could help that depleted LB corps. Hopefully dude can stay healthy and develop into a good player here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I had a weird fear it was Matt Bowen...

Wasn't D. Young the Mayor's dark horse guy to make the squad?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Shifting chairs around on the deck of the Titantic...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:33 AM

Hey! Don't understimate the art of Feng Shui. If arranged properly, you can actually feel like the play calling doesn't stink!

Although, I think Alvin Bowen has to be facing the North East corner of Redskins Park.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm assuming this was one of Morrocco's Brown's scouting gems?

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one seeing most of the blog text and page centered, and not the normal formatting?

Posted by: Veretax | September 24, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Freak,
first you need flash 10 which it lets you download.

here is my step by step for getting play by play info, NFL updated their sight this season and its for the better: Go to NFL.com. Click Scores. Click the week you want to go to (week 2 in this case). Click Box Score for said game. and go to the play by play

Posted by: alex35332 | September 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse
Thanks, alex

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't D. Young the Mayor's dark horse guy to make the squad?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 11:39 AM

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Yes.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one seeing most of the blog text and page centered, and not the normal formatting?

Posted by: Veretax | September 24, 2009 11:41 AM

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No.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Don't quote me on this, but I think one of them is actually a chipmunk.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

I think we got Alvin, so that we could hear this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DxB2aG0KIc&feature=PlayList&p=5673EFB44CC5A1EC&index=3

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't D. Young the Mayor's dark horse guy to make the squad?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 11:39 AM |

No that was Youngblood from the Tallahassee Warthogs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I get the feeling this is one of those situations where Vinny sees the draft status on a guy and picks him up on a whim (see Robert Thomas, Erasmus James, Mike Williams, etc.).

That said, I hope he turns out to be a legit prospect.

Posted by: psps23 | September 24, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

cl, fletch talked up young in the preseason as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

No that was Youngblood from the Tallahassee Warthogs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice pull, Flounder!

RIP Patrick Swayze.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

You're right Greg...I think there's only about 250-something picks in the entire draft.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

-RIP-

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with a prospect, if it can work.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Nice pull, Flounder!

RIP Patrick Swayze.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 11:47 AM |

The girl in that movie was hot, or at least I thought she was hot in 1986. I think her name was Cynthia Gibb.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I heard that we have Brian Billick as the color guy this week. I'm not sure I have heard him yet. Anyone have an opinion of him? I know he is high on himself. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 11:38 AM

Yeah we had him last year for the lions game and he kept calling Santana Moss Santonio Moss all game.


Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 11:49 AM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Don't mean to open old wounds, but I could use some splainin:

drafting based on available talent and not need---is this the craziest phenomenon or what? are there any other teams in the NFL who use this "philosophy"?

so it is the 2nd round and we need a OL, DT, and DB. best available talent? WR, WR TE. How is the team ever going to fulfill needs?

I am not being facitious, I wanna know if I am missing something

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious as to who is going to be the starting RG on Sunday.....could MW be in the mix for playing time there??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

And his beer commercials are annoying.

I heard that we have Brian Billick as the color guy this week. I'm not sure I have heard him yet. Anyone have an opinion of him? I know he is high on himself. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 11:38 AM

Yeah we had him last year for the lions game and he kept calling Santana Moss Santonio Moss all game.

Posted by: GreatOne1

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I think her name was Cynthia Gibb.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:51 AM

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What was the extent of your relationship with Ms. Gibb?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

What was the extent of your relationship with Ms. Gibb?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:57 AM |

Well I was 16 at the time.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

WR, WR TE. How is the team ever going to fulfill needs?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 24, 2009 11:55 AM

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SInce Barney Fife ain't around to correct you:

WR-TE-WR,

not WR-WR-TE

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Yeah we had him last year for the lions game and he kept calling Santana Moss Santonio Moss all game.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 11:49 AM


Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse
Right. Well I think we need to go to Santanio early and often!

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I think her name was Cynthia Gibb.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 24, 2009 11:51 AM

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What was the extent of your relationship with Ms. Gibb?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 11:57 AM

I can think of some fish metaphors here.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

This would be a big blow to the G-men. If the Skins can right their offensive ship, they could be a factor down the stretch.

Knee problem could end Kenny Phillips' season
Posted by Mike Florio on September 24, 2009 11:40 AM ET
A league source that the New York Giants are planning for the possibility that safety Kenny Phillips will be lost for the balance of the season.

Per a separate source, no final decisions have been made as to whether Phillips will undergo a procedure aimed at correcting a cartilage problem in the knee. If the surgery occurs, Phillips is expected to be placed on injured reserve.

Phillips has been in and out due to the injury, missing practice (like he did on Wednesday) but playing in games (like he did on Sunday against the Cowboys).

A first-round pick in 2008, Phillips has started both games of the 2009 season. He has 13 tackles and two interceptions.

Posted by: TWISI | September 24, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't mean to open old wounds, but I could use some splainin:

drafting based on available talent and not need---is this the craziest phenomenon or what? are there any other teams in the NFL who use this "philosophy"?

so it is the 2nd round and we need a OL, DT, and DB. best available talent? WR, WR TE. How is the team ever going to fulfill needs?

I am not being facitious, I wanna know if I am missing something

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse
I'll take a stab at this one. I think the theory goes that your draft picks, other than rounds 1 & 2, will only be back-ups for a year or two. So you want the most talent on the team for the future. Then you can always fill in an immediate need with a free agent pickup. It's more about years 3-5 than about this year, and you never know where you will have an injury that needs filling.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Peacefull2009,

I believe the thought process is that if you draft for need, you end up reaching for players at a certain position.

ex. You have a need at tackle. You're drafting in the 2nd round and the top 3 or 4 tackles have already been taken. You have he best tackle left on your board rated as a 4th round talent. There is also an Wide receiver available that you had rated as 1st round talent. Do you take the 1st round talent at the position that is not a need or do you take the 4th round talent way too high because it's a need?

That's my take on it, anyway.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The Ginas are crazy banged up right now on D...Phillips, Glenn, Canty, Tuck....

Maybe the Bucs can sneak a smack down? I have a disease, I am already calculating whats +/- for Skins playoff chances by week 3....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe how many people are picking the Lions to win... Including all three "experts" at Yahoo! Sports...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYvfxvDwJxA&feature=related

Mack, is this the video you were referring to?

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 11:31 AM

RITCA, I'm having a tough time following our argument. Let's agree to disagree. Or agree to agree. Or whatever it is we're doing.

Posted by: mack1 | September 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

twis, WOW, that'd be a HUGE loss, I watched the NY/Dal game on NFL Network last night, Phillips is a really good player...I was unaware that Dallas ran for 250 plus on them....thats impressive...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

playoff chances by week 3....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:05 PM

Playoffs?!? You talking about Playoffs??!! PLAYOFFS?!!?!

To get to 15-1, you must worry one game at a time.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Rick Maese reports that Mike Williams is not practicing today.

Might answer my question if he's in the running for the RG spot......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

With everything centered, I feel like I am reading a poem.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 24, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually - the NFL films video of the Zorn-Campbell thing shows Zorn pretty much telegraphing what we're going to do.

For example, on that 4-1 goal line run left to Clinton - Zorn tells Campbell to get everyone pumped, then Campbell in the huddle automatically turns to Clinton and pats him on the helmet and says basically it's all up to you go get em. Hello!? Is there NO attempt at subterfuge? Where's the gamesmanship!? At least line up Kelley far right when you run the Clinton/Samuels special to present the possibility of going to the fade right. Sheesh.

On another play Zorn can be seen giving special attention to Santana, then on the next series we get blitzed on 1st down - which has been the down Zorn takes shots on. I hope to GOD - and I have been assuming this as just basic common sense - that Zorn, and Sherman (let's not forget him) understand that they need to play off of a defense's knowledge of our tendencies.

Is it possible that teams out smarted themselves in the first half of last year before realizing - Oh, wait a minute, they are that obvious - it's not a trick, they are actually telling us what they're going to do.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th thats why I called it a "disease" I am just saying in every non-skins game I factor in what outcome would best set the Skins up by end of season.

So my thinking is: I don't think Bucs will be in wild card hunt so them beating Ginas is all good. But if it was like Bears vs Ginas and I have Ginas as the favorites to win NFC east...then I might actually feel that Ginas taking out a potential wildcard team is good...

Like I said....a disease....

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Brooklyn (Park Slope hollah!)

I've been ranting about that for a week now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 24, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yo BK Skins, where you watch games...that is if its a sports bar....I think my crew my be adopting "The Dram Shop"...good Skins crowd....

Let me know if you wanna join forces...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Brooklyn.

I thought the same thing about JC patting CP on the hat before running the sweep on 4th down.

It's as if the Redskins are attempting to play with a smash mouth attitude, but without the OL to back it up.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, big blow to a rival...from PFT:

Knee problem could end Kenny Phillips' season
Posted by Mike Florio on September 24, 2009 11:40 AM ET
A league source that the New York Giants are planning for the possibility that safety Kenny Phillips will be lost for the balance of the season.

Per a separate source, no final decisions have been made as to whether Phillips will undergo a procedure aimed at correcting a cartilage problem in the knee. If the surgery occurs, Phillips is expected to be placed on injured reserve.

Phillips has been in and out due to the injury, missing practice (like he did on Wednesday) but playing in games (like he did on Sunday against the Cowboys).

A first-round pick in 2008, Phillips has started both games of the 2009 season. He has 13 tackles and two interceptions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually - the NFL films video of the Zorn-Campbell thing shows Zorn pretty much telegraphing what we're going to do.

For example, on that 4-1 goal line run left to Clinton - Zorn tells Campbell to get everyone pumped, then Campbell in the huddle automatically turns to Clinton and pats him on the helmet and says basically it's all up to you go get em. Hello!? Is there NO attempt at subterfuge? Where's the gamesmanship!? At least line up Kelley far right when you run the Clinton/Samuels special to present the possibility of going to the fade right. Sheesh.

On another play Zorn can be seen giving special attention to Santana, then on the next series we get blitzed on 1st down - which has been the down Zorn takes shots on. I hope to GOD - and I have been assuming this as just basic common sense - that Zorn, and Sherman (let's not forget him) understand that they need to play off of a defense's knowledge of our tendencies.

Is it possible that teams out smarted themselves in the first half of last year before realizing - Oh, wait a minute, they are that obvious - it's not a trick, they are actually telling us what they're going to do.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 12:11 PM

I wonder what Zorn's Wunderlich score is!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | September 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, bein' the underdog really helped us in week 1. We came out really pumped for that one. We played grea..... wwwwait a minute.

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, big blow to a rival...from PFT:

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I only trust PFT reports posted by Beantown Greg, thank you.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Dik: Park Slope holla back!

(you don't live there right, if you do lets watch games together! My crew always looking to roll deeper!)

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think the opposing defense is going to adjust what they do because someone gets a pat on the head? Or because the head coach talks to his #1 receiver? You're thinking too much. It's the play calling and guys f-ing up at all the wrong moments. Same as it always is.

Posted by: mack1 | September 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Throwing a theory out there..


Signing A Aldrige to the 53 instead of a lineman?? Played for Shanahan, like Portis..

I think it may be a sign that Shanahan may be on his way sooner than later?

Thoughts?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | September 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

We will score 45 points on Sunday!!!


Book it

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what the %'s are but drafting for talent is not uncommon. Personally i don't like it for 1 reason. Because it is a draft you have no clue if your "talent" is actually NFL talent. Therefore it seems flawed to draft based on something that may not be true.

I like drafting for need because even if the guy isn't the fastest/strongest/tallest at least he fills the gap.

Perfect example would be the Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, and Vince Young draft. Everyone thought RB and VY were the most talented but the Texans had a huge need at DE. Now looking back on that, personally i think it was an extremely wise decision. BTW i have no faith that Vinny and specially Snyder would have made that decision.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I only trust PFT reports posted by Beantown Greg, thank you.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse
BeantownGreg is PFT, isn't he?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

cL, I'm in DC now after a long time in tha 305. I did TRY to live there for about 3 months in '95... until my welcome wore out.. lmao.

"If you can make it there..." well, I didn't. Now what?!.. lmao!

But I really loved living by prospect park.

I will probably be up in NYC for at least one weekend during football season. So I'll be looking for a bar to catch the game then, and you'll be first contact. Of course, I'll have the Dallas fan w/ me... he he he.

I'm in Beantown this weekend. Who's watchin' where?

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Does this move mean HENSON's days as a REDSKIN are numbered? I mean, evidently YOUNG was not going to challenge for the active roster, so let's keep somebody in reserve who can pick off some of the low-hanging fruit on the 53 man. Just sayin'.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

oe, thanks, and good for you for standing up for the truth.....and no, not that crazy UGA truth guy either......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dik, def hit me up for Skins watching when you are in NYC.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

ds, welcome to bahstun, not sure where the game is being shown.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Punt, punt, punt ... for the love of God punt! Oh, wait a minute ... it's only second down.... Danny?

Posted by: jeff48 | September 24, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

NFeKPo:

No, but a former REDSKIN exec did, and like you I think it a wise choice. Probably cost Casserly his job though.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

interesting - text is centered in IE, not Firefox...love the WAPO web support

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

http://www.detroitlions.com/

How's this for respect for an opponent. Go to the link and what is the first thing you see?

Get your tickets now for OCT 11th - Detroit vs Pittsburgh.

No mention that they play Washington this weekend.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

ex. You have a need at tackle. You're drafting in the 2nd round and the top 3 or 4 tackles have already been taken. You have he best tackle left on your board rated as a 4th round talent. There is also an Wide receiver available that you had rated as 1st round talent. Do you take the 1st round talent at the position that is not a need or do you take the 4th round talent way too high because it's a need?

That's my take on it, anyway.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

It's funny you chose that example because that is exactly what happened. Most people like to look back on the draft and say why didn't you do this or that. You can go back and look at the draft and see who the next best tackle was(only john greco went between our 3 second rounders and chad rhineart). Are we really that mad we missed out on john greco? There were also 2 guards and a center taken. We missed out on Jeremy Zuttah, Chilo Rachal (would have to have been our first pick of the draft or we would have missed him anyway), and Mike Pollack.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse


Just watched the clip. Halfback pass was still a stupid call, that ONE is still on JZ. JC was PISSED at DT and Sellers for dropping TDs... and all it takes is one guy to blow his assignment(Montgomery on the planned Moss bomb) to ruin a play.

CP DID have the first down on the 4th down play, he almost seemed to back away from the first down to bounce it outside. He HAD IT.

This team has no margin for error. Intelligent, disciplined, professional play
by all 45 and the the staff will clearly create victories. Stupid, lackadaisical error filled play will allow us to PERHAPS squeak by the league dregs and have us in another 4-5 day tizzy.

Now, we see if the team has any character after their inability to make professional plays has lead to their HC and QB getting lambasted way more than they deserve.

ps Anybody else wondering if JC pumping CP while in the field stand around in a loose huddle waiting for the refs to blow the whistle to begin activities after the TV time out was a big clue to the Rams that CP was gonna get the rock? Loose lips sink ships. Of course if I'm the Rams, its not a shock that CP gets it on 4th and less than a yard, but anybody on their D watching the body language would have easy confirmation. Just sayin'.

PPS DT11 is still too stupid, lazy or undisciplined to play pro football. MM NOW!

PPPS I'm glad the Redskins are not facing the Lions after having smoke checked the Rams. Much more of a trap game scenario. If anything, its a trap game for the Lions. They, their fans and the national bandwagon drivers are hyping it up and they actually think they are going to win... Redskins should be in quite the foul mood and ready to kick the living crap outta somebody. Key word: Should....

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

tyvm cL & Beaner!

I'll be over in Cambridge - I think the folks over there may be a bit too high-fallootin' for NFL. heh.

It'll be Bootz & my anniversary - so football will be watched... lol!!

The AMAZING Dik Shuttle is a lucky man!!! hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 24, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

4 of the 10 NFL "experts" including Schefter are picking the Lions. Golic too (of course he's an idiot.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 24, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ds, Cambridge is a sancutary city, chock full of nut-cases....they think their 'stuff' don't stink, you nailed that one....congrats on the anniversary....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Perfect example would be the Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, and Vince Young draft. Everyone thought RB and VY were the most talented but the Texans had a huge need at DE. Now looking back on that, personally i think it was an extremely wise decision. BTW i have no faith that Vinny and specially Snyder would have made that decision.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The Texans had a need a RB and QB too. That was a year before they got Carr. They had samkon gado and Ron Dayne as their RBs. They had needs at all 3 positions. They did draft for talent and not need. They just felt Mario was the most talented.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

ummm...Carr was the Texan's first draft pick, before they played a game. Don't know what that does to your theory, because I don't follow the home team.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Perfect example would be the Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, and Vince Young draft. Everyone thought RB and VY were the most talented but the Texans had a huge need at DE. Now looking back on that, personally i think it was an extremely wise decision. BTW i have no faith that Vinny and specially Snyder would have made that decision.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The Texans had a need a RB and QB too. That was a year before they got Carr. They had samkon gado and Ron Dayne as their RBs. They had needs at all 3 positions. They did draft for talent and not need. They just felt Mario was the most talented.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I meant that was the year before they got schaub not carr.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

How's this for respect for an opponent. Go to the link and what is the first thing you see?

Get your tickets now for OCT 11th - Detroit vs Pittsburgh.

No mention that they play Washington this weekend.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure they are making it easy for the 30,000 pittsburgh ticket buyers who they know will invade their stadium that weekend.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

They just felt Mario was the most talented.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

No, Mario was more willing to sign a rookie contract for less.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Just watched the clip. Halfback pass"

Hopefully you noticed how the back side of that play, had JC gone to a naked bootleg, and faked the handoff, he could have crawled into the endzone.....they need to start using play-action more, to freeze defenders...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Right before the draw to Clinton and then the halfback pass, the TV showed Zorn calling the play. The angle of the camera allowed you to see what he was saying and it was clear to me he said DRAW. They went back to him again and it was clear he said HALFBACK PASS. I am not a lip reader but it was obvious to me. Did anyone else pick up on this? Sorry if this was discussed earlier.

Posted by: gcbigdog | September 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/kerry_byrne/09/23/lions/index.html

So according to this guy the Lions have one of the worst pass defenses in the league. If Zorn was ever going to put the ball fully in JC's hands it sounds like this is the week to do it. Pass first, get a lead then run Portis extensively in the second half.

Posted by: skinswest | September 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

RITCA - you are semi-right here; that's quite true - they drafted Mario Williams partially because of his signability; they did not draft Young because they had a starting QB and didn't want a QB war, and remember, Bush had all of that agent stuff going on right about that time, with the parents living in a nice house paid for by a management company or something, plus his people (Bush's) were being totally asinine in negotiations with the Texans.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

anybody else wondering if JC pumping CP while in the field stand around in a loose huddle waiting for the refs to blow the whistle to begin activities after the TV time out was a big clue to the Rams that CP was gonna get the rock?

SkinsfaninKaneohe

I've this repeated several times. I don't how much it matters if the Rams knew CP was going to get the ball. The more important thing is the execution of the play. Who doen't know that on a critical 3rd down play Romo is looking to Witten first, or McNabb is looking for Westbrook, or Eli looking for Steve Smith. The skins need to understand that, no need to trick another team, line up execute the play correctly.

Posted by: TWISI | September 24, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

We had 10 lineman to begin with. Most teams usually go with 9. So, we didn't need to sign another lineman.

End of Story......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No, Mario was more willing to sign a rookie contract for less.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That was definitely a part of it but they also felt Mario was a safer pick. Nobody knew if VY or Reggie Bush's play style would even work in the NFL.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Right before the draw to Clinton and then the halfback pass, the TV showed Zorn calling the play. The angle of the camera allowed you to see what he was saying and it was clear to me he said DRAW. They went back to him again and it was clear he said HALFBACK PASS. I am not a lip reader but it was obvious to me. Did anyone else pick up on this? Sorry if this was discussed earlier.

Posted by: gcbigdog | September 24, 2009 12:46 PM |

Zorn mentioned on Redskins Nation that he had heard that people were able to read his lips. He said he'll be more careful moving forward....

Posted by: TWISI | September 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Casserly looked at the lowest wonderlic score ever recorded and thought to himself "This guy may have trouble picking up on the subtleties of running an NFL Offense" which is of course code for Wow, there are house plants that are smarter than this guy. Not sure what Jeff Fisher or whoever the Tenn draft selector was thinking.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Well if you think the Haynesworth signing hasn’t had much impact for the skins, it has had some impact to the titans. From USA today team reports:

“Two weeks into the season, the Tennessee Titans are wondering what has happened to their defense. A unit that returned 10 of 11 starters — missing All-Pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth — has suddenly struggled to defend the pass, ranking dead last in that regard through two games with 720 yards surrendered through the air.”

Make of it what you will though. I think he has definitely helped our team. C Griffin hasn’t had a game like last week’s for a few years now……

I just hope Orakpo can step it up this weekend. He seems to have pretty much disappeared since pre-season.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

They just felt Mario was the most talented.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

If they really thought he was the most talented then kudos to Casserly. Unfortunately the game passed him by. Regardless the original point was that drafting based on talent is flawed because nobody knows how talented a player is going to be on the NFL field on draft day.
This off-season, assuming OL is still a problem and LB core is still thin then you draft the best available OL or LB not a WR because "we had him rated as a top 5 talent so picking at 12 we couldn't pass on him"

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

you can't win 9-7 unless your playing smart disciplined football.

The problem with drafting talent vs.need is the salary cap, you can't take a financial risk on a need position because you will be paying through the nose.

Newsflash. We needed wr's.

We will win in detroit 30 (10 FGs) to 14, and I'm going to love every second of it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 24, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

10 FGs

thats funny....and somewhat probable as well...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 24, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

http://www.detroitlions.com/

How's this for respect for an opponent. Go to the link and what is the first thing you see?

Get your tickets now for OCT 11th - Detroit vs Pittsburgh.

No mention that they play Washington this weekend.


Does anyone else notice that a ticket to the game, and all you can eat hotdogs, popcorn, nachos etc. is $57 at Ford stadium...

Posted by: FudgeDanSnyder | September 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Great video, just watched it a few times.

I'm still where I was on Zorn. He is the problem.

The play that I wanted to see most was the deep pass to Moss. I wanted to see the blocking scheme, but it was hard to see. Looked like Mason (saw him in the huddle) was in the game and Fred Davis seemed to have a blocking role of some sort.

Would have made some sense to keep a good blocking back in om a deep pass attempt. Especially with a new guy at RG.

I suggested last week that Campbell throw 40+ times, mostly out of the shot gun. And that Sellers stay in as his blocking back perhaps 20 times a game. That call would have been a good fit for that approach.

As for the drops, well, Zorn came to the wrong conclusion. The "drops" were by 2 guys who have combined for 12 receiving yards this year. Campbell is competing nearly 70% of his passes. Throwing to Sellers and DT11, he is 1 for 4.

Maybe if Zorn put the guys on the field who were the better pass catchers, the results would be better.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

well, and compare the average price for a home in Detroit vs. the average in D.C and that $57 is probably still too high as a ratio...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

It sounds like they are hyping the Steelers more than anything else. All you can eat hot dogs...yum

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 24, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If they really thought he was the most talented then kudos to Casserly. Unfortunately the game passed him by. Regardless the original point was that drafting based on talent is flawed because nobody knows how talented a player is going to be on the NFL field on draft day.
This off-season, assuming OL is still a problem and LB core is still thin then you draft the best available OL or LB not a WR because "we had him rated as a top 5 talent so picking at 12 we couldn't pass on him"

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

That's an extreme example. Regardless of what we are calling it you always draft for both need and talent. You can prefer 1 over the other but you always draft for both. In your example you are using next year and saying we shouldn't take WR. No freakin duh. We have no need whatsoever at WR. Now my extreme example will be that if Taylor Mays is sitting there for us in the first round we don't draft the next available offensive lineman if that lineman is a third round talent. I prefer to draft talent over need because I don't like reaching for players and I don't like filling need positions with rookies. By the time the rookies are ready to play who knows if that need position is still a need.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

a good DE can play up to 15 years, a good RB 10.

Anyone who wants to know if haynesworth has made an impact should just watch him play or even better re-watch the game on DVR. It won't take long to see the impact.

So far our D has had 3 or 4 almost turnovers. Sooner or later we r going to come up with those.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 24, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

you can't win 9-7 unless your playing smart disciplined football.


Well the Redskins just did it last Sunday. Not sure what game you watched, but the Redskins clearly left at least 15 points on the field due to stupid mistakes.

21-9 + 3(Moss fumble takes away FG minimum)=15

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 24, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Why does this story make me think of my fantasy football team (I'm 0-2 btw)? Shifting around all the people that don't matter.

Posted by: jspin77 | September 24, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

last year we played our best ball in the first half of the season. That is the wrong formula. We need to play our best ball in the second half of the seeze. As long as we are around 500 and peak at the right time. That's a good formula.

The only way we lose to the Lions is if we try to air it out and abandon our game plan because the crybaby fans and crybaby analysts want TDs. Run run run kick kick kick defense defense defense

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 24, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I need to bring this to the attention of some. Some people on here including JReid continue to bash CP for not having his same break away speed that he had in denver. Name one Back in the NFL who has played as long as CP and has as many yards as CP that still has break away speed.

Most of the backs in the leauge who have break away speed are in there first 2-4 years in. Most backs put on muscle as their career goes on in order to have a longer career.

That is the importance of a change of pace guy, a fast guy who does not take that many hits over his career

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Well if you think the Haynesworth signing hasn’t had much impact for the skins, it has had some impact to the titans. From USA today team reports:

“Two weeks into the season, the Tennessee Titans are wondering what has happened to their defense. A unit that returned 10 of 11 starters — missing All-Pro defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth — has suddenly struggled to defend the pass, ranking dead last in that regard through two games with 720 yards surrendered through the air.”


Posted by: dlhaze1

I thought about this too, but came to a different conclusion. I think the 'd' coordinator is a big deal.

philly lost Jim Johnson (RIP) and had a monster week in the opener, but then got eaten alive by the Saints. Say what you will about Brees, but philly's defense never looked that bad.

Titans, same thing. Schwartz left. Titans d was good vs Pitt, bad vs Houston.

spags left and the jints 'd' got lit up by dallas, averaging 9 yards a rush for 250 yards on the ground.

Indy lost their DC and Miami ran the ball all over them -- 45 minutes in time of possession -- only a dropped pass by Ginn in the end zone kept Miami from winning.

Rex Ryan left the Ravens and that defense is giving up huge points and yards.

Not saying Albert isn't a factor, but the teams that lost a good DC seem to have taken a major drop so far this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

What's everyones opinion on Matthew Stafford? You know that the Skins D has gotta be looking to capitalize on his rookie-ness. I mean, 5 INTs through 2 games to me says the Skins SHOULD get at least one INT on Sunday. Didn't Rodgers take one back for a TD two years ago against the Lions? Maybe he only knows how to catch when playing in domes

Posted by: -swb | September 24, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

DS, I've had a good experience watching games at 200 5th in Park Slope but didn't know there was a skins contingent at the Dram Shop I'll have to check it out sometime thanks.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 24, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with the Skins being a defensive team, however let's not make them the Baltimore Ravens and think that they're gonna lead us to the Super Bowl. Contrary to belief, the Ravens actually had a few high scoring games (8 games over 20pts). There were 6 games with no TD scored.

Pittsburgh Steelers W 16-0
Jacksonville Jaguars W 39-36
Miami Dolphins L 6-19
Cincinnati Bengals W 37-0
Cleveland Browns W 12-0
Jacksonville Jaguars W 15-10
Washington Redskins L 3-10
Tennessee Titans L 6-14
Pittsburgh Steelers L 6-9
Cincinnati Bengals W 27-7
Tennessee Titans W 24-23
Dallas Cowboys W 27-0
Cleveland Browns W 44-7
San Diego Chargers W 24-3
Arizona Cardinals W 13-7
New York Jets W 34-20

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens relied heavily on their defense, which set several records during the 2000 season, including fewest points allowed during a 16-game season (165) and fewest rushing yards allowed (970). The defense finished the season number one overall in points allowed, and Ray Lewis was named defensive player of the year by the Associated Press. Starting cornerbacks Chris McAlister and Duane Starks combined to intercept ten passes, and defensive end Rob Burnett contributed with 10.5 sacks. The defense is thought of as one of the greatest ever. Offensively, the Ravens relied heavily on the running game. Rookie running back Jamal Lewis led the way with 1364 yards and veteran Priest Holmes added 588 yards. The passing game was rather pedestrian (23rd in yards passing), but Trent Dilfer brought stability to the position when he took over for Tony Banks mid-season. Tight end Shannon Sharpe, acquired as an unrestricted free agent from Denver during the offseason, was the team's leading pass receiver with 67 catches for 810 yards. Punt returner Jermaine Lewis scored two touchdowns on punt returns during the season, and ran back a kickoff in the Super Bowl, while placekicker Matt Stover made 35 field goals on 39 attempts.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

My point:
Although the Skins have a good defense this year, I don't think they will achieve what B'more did.
Our CB's play too far off the WR's. We're still not getting enough pressure on the QB.

On the offensive side, we have potential to improve. But if we keep playing like we have been, without putting points on the board, our defensive won't carry us to the Super Bowl.

Just saying.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

End of Story......

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 12:49 PM

As if that could ever happen.

cL, could you please send me the PayPal request?

I missed it, but can someone please give me a quick update on how the blog got all blown out of justification? I dress right, but justify left. This stuff gives me a headache.

p.s. Loved the actual NFL film linked by Steinbog (as well as the youtube from AMTTS).

Posted by: dcsween | September 24, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens defense was far more consistent than what we see out of Washington.

That said, the factor that contributed to the scoring of the Ravens in 2000 was that the DEFENSE scored touchdowns on its own.

Also, Trent Dilfer got set up how many times with the ball in plus territory for a short drive to a score?

There really is no comparison.

The 2000 Ravens developed the kind of team chemistry and identity that this team has lacked for years.

I don't see Zorn as the type of coach who is capable of getting that kind of maximum production out of the roster.

In retrospect Zorn's inexperience is costing this team a chance to improve and move forward.

Talent has been added to the active roster this year on Sundays that has not bee used to any productive effect.

Kelly and Davis should be knee-deep in catches and opportunities

Posted by: leopard09 | September 24, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17 ,
"...In your example you are using next year and saying we shouldn't take WR. No freakin duh.We have no need whatsoever at WR....I prefer to draft talent over need..."

2 years ago we also had no need for a TE but your preferred philosophy got us Fred Davis when we already had Cooley. Regardless of how FD turns out unless you don't resign or trade CC his impact is going to be marginal.

...I don't like reaching for players and I don't like filling need positions with rookies. ...

By the time the draft comes around most free agents are already signed. So if the position is still a need by draft day and you choose not to address the need how are you going to fill the position?

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

By the time the draft comes around most free agents are already signed. So if the position is still a need by draft day and you choose not to address the need how are you going to fill the position?

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The need is not a need by draft day because you've already filled the need in the aforementioned free agency.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

the way your D plays is tied in with the O and ST. The dynamic of a game might get you to 39-36 or 9-7. Either way one team wins and one team loses. One big play could change the outcome of either game for either team.

Point being, quit friggin crying about TDs! Offensive guys are pansies anyway.

Re: CP. The guys had a slashing style and Gibbs coached him to stay with his blocking. So he listens to his coach and then the fans cry about it. The guy is outstanding. 3rd most TDs of active RBs, 10th of active players. He should def get red zone touches. If our offense wasn't a 1 trick pony he would have much better running lanes.

Anyone who thinks Portis is part of the problem should head butt a cement wall a la Gus (sonnys favorite qb, besides himself)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

pabrian,

We could win the game 2-0 and I wouldn't care. A win is a win. My point is that this team does not have the "it" to play this type of football week in and week out and come away with victories. Eventually, if nothing changes it will be the same old, same old. If only we had beaten (insert team that we should have/could have beat here), then we would have made the playoffs.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17,
I think we are saying to same thing then. Obviously if a need say at SS is addressed prior to draft day then you shouldn't draft a SS.

My point is if you have a need at SS and a good SS player is available or great ML is available but you already have a starter at ML then you should draft the SS not the ML.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Casserly looked at the lowest wonderlic score ever recorded and thought to himself "This guy may have trouble picking up on the subtleties of running an NFL Offense" which is of course code for Wow, there are house plants that are smarter than this guy. Not sure what Jeff Fisher or whoever the Tenn draft selector was thinking.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe


Word had it that the owner Bud Adams wanted VY more because he was a "hometown kid" from Houston. Therefore Bud threw his weight around in the decision making process and convinced Jeff Fisher to go with Young.

I always thought Tennessee should have taken Matt Leinart since his former college OC Norm Chow was a Titan assistant at that time. It just made more sense.

I'm convinced Leinart's career would have turned out alot better if he ended up in Tennessee.

Posted by: Predator48 | September 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Do I think we could get the "it"? YES! There is promise, but something still isn't clicking. Here's hoping that a good beat down of Detroit will spark the team.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Brian, aren't we more of a No Trick pony?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 24, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"It" was there the first half of last season. So if we get "it" back at all it would have to be soon. I doubt "it" will suddenly emerge in the back end of our schedule, which is pretty f**n tough.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

..only trick pony

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 24, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I saw alvin bowen play in college. Good football sense and a fast linebacker (i believe he came to college as a safety, but don't quote me on that). I believe his junior year he lead college football in tackles, but that probably had more to do with how terrible Iowa State was (is). When he came out he projected to be an outside linebacker who should be able to contribute on special teams but would have a hard time being a starter because he was undersized.
I have no idea what the knee did to his speed and no idea what the NFL has done for his size, so everything I just said could be worthless (ok, its probably worthless anyway)

Posted by: SFcapsfan | September 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

SF, worthless info is what these posts are good for, anyway. But I'll buy what you said. Between him, Henson, and Wilson, I really would like a LB to step up and vie for minutes on d.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

If you must have it, highlights of Alvin Bowen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYLcn0_jbRk&feature=related

Looks like a Chris Wilson-type LB.

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure we lost the "it" when we lost to the Rams last year. That game was right after we had back to back road wins vs Philly and Dallas.

Posted by: m1ke3i6 | September 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what the knee did to his speed and no idea what the NFL has done for his size, so everything I just said could be worthless (ok, its probably worthless anyway)

Posted by: SFcapsfan
====

Still, good info thanks. It's good to know more about the player's history. Information we should be getting from lazy Mayor.

Posted by: REXskins | September 24, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Now I know why the Lions website was pumping up the Steelers game next week!!

DETROIT -- The Detroit Lions failed to sell all their tickets for Sunday's game against the Washington Redskins, meaning there will be a TV blackout in some local markets.

Team spokesman Bill Keenist said Thursday the game will be blacked out in the Detroit, Lansing, Saginaw-Flint and Toledo, Ohio, markets.

More than 10,000-plus tickets were available on Wednesday.

Last week, the Lions were able to sell 1,700 tickets for the home game against Minnesota. No such luck this time.

The Lions have lost 19 games in a row, matching the second-longest skid in NFL history.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

More than 10,000 tickets available - who's up for a Maroon and Black road trip?

Posted by: RITCA | September 24, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Hard to understand how they can't sell out what everyone believes to be their first shot at a win in 19 games. You would think the fans would be interested in that.

Posted by: REXskins | September 24, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

All together RITCA you'd spend less money flying there to watch the game there than at FedEx.

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

This got lost in the loseable type from the post that was up there, then wasn't ... on Zorn.

Zorn just isn't up to being a HC in the NFL. He hasn't grown into the job. 18 games isn't much, but we're talking about a guy who played for a dozen years in the NFL, has been coaching at various levels for 20 more since and spent several years around one of the game's brighter minds in Mike Holmgren.

Guys like Gruden or Tomlin, hired very young, maybe would get extra time to grow into the job. Zorn, not so much.

Yes, the real Skins problems come from above and Zorn's weaknesses get exposed more because of this. What I find sad is that I like a lot of what Zorn brings. But he hasn't shown enough to warrant keeping his job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

At espn.com Eric Allen, Mike Golic, Adam Schefter, and Seth Wickersham all picked Detroit.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 24, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

zc,
if they make it to the playoffs (either 10-6 or 9-7) but no further than that, will Zorn have shown enough, then?

Posted by: pgugino | September 24, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

My point is if you have a need at SS and a good SS player is available or great ML is available but you already have a starter at ML then you should draft the SS not the ML.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 24, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with that but only in the first and early second round. You are almost guarenteed starting talent in those rounds. Most of those players should be talented enough to fill a need. You are drafting for both in those rounds. It's the later rounds where I believe talent only drafting is better. By the mid second round I'm drafting only for talent. We got a lot of crap for taking sleepy in the second instead of an offensive lineman. I looked at the draft board and didn't see any offensive lineman more worhty of that pick then sleepy davis. You could make an argument for calais campbell or quenton groves but overall I think that was the best pick there. Then we ended up taking orakpo and jarmon so I think we came out on top. Last year we got crap for taking barnes instead of a tackle. I bet we take a top tackle in this year's draft. I just think that you have to take what the draft gives you.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys struggle with cheerleader exam

September 24, 2009 9:59 AM


Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

If you're someone who becomes upset when we write about anything off the field, now's a good time to stop reading.

OK, ESPN The Magazine's Rick Reilly obtained a copy of the written exam that prospective Cowboys Cheerleaders take during tryouts -- and it's not as easy as one might imagine.

Reilly asked 12 Cowboys players to take the exam -- and only defensive end Marcus Spears passed with flying colors. The other players struggled with questions that involved Texas and Cowboys history as well as world affairs. Here are some of the lowlights:
Asked to name the two former Cowboys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, proud Florida State grad Pat Watkins responded, "Joe Namath and Troy Aikman."
Only two of the 12 players could name the governor of Texas -- tight end Jason Witten and Spears. It's Rick Perry, by the way.
Asked to name three lean proteins, Watkins said, "Fish, chick, duck."
Travis Bright was the only player who knew how many Super Bowls the Cowboys had played in -- eight. Unfortunately, though, Bright couldn't remember that Roger Staubach played for the Cowboys.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 24, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

At least the Ford family can say that their auto commpany had a better year than their football team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

All together RITCA you'd spend less money flying there to watch the game there than at FedEx.

Posted by: pgugino

You could also buy a house and still be under a Fedex ticket with parking, dog and a beer.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

At least the Ford family can say that their auto commpany had a better year than their football team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 24, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Alan Mulally should start running the football team too?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 24, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 24, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a similar test given to the 'skins players, especially that jack of an ass, Robert Henson.

I don't care who is father in-law is... Could be Bishop Magic Don Juan for all I care, an a-hole is an a-hole.

He probably sucks cat turds anyway, nope not because I have an agenda against the guy. But because he was a middle round draft pick for the Washington Redskins.

'skins suck in rounds 3-5.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 24, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

(i believe he came to college as a safety, but don't quote me on that)
Posted by: SFcapsfan | September 24, 2009 2:11 PM


I will quote you on that just cuz I can.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH


In you face

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 24, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't mean to open old wounds, but I could use some splainin:

drafting based on available talent and not need---is this the craziest phenomenon or what? are there any other teams in the NFL who use this "philosophy"?

so it is the 2nd round and we need a OL, DT, and DB. best available talent? WR, WR TE. How is the team ever going to fulfill needs?

I am not being facitious, I wanna know if I am missing something

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | September 24, 2009 11:55 AM


Drafting based on talent is like a 5 year plan for success.

A good example is indiannapolis. the reason indianappolis is a consistent contender is because they keep a steady supply of young talent. When they drafted Reggie Wayne, they had no need for a wide receiver (Marvin Harrison was still the best in football, and their #2 and #3 wideouts were pretty good too).

However, they saw Reggie Wayne was still available when their pick came up and took him anyway (IIRC they needed a DE and...something...at the time). Who is going to call that a stupid or outdated method now?

On the flip side you have drafting for need. I think Laron Landry is a great example of the problem with drafting for need. We needed a Strong Safety at the time so we grabbed the best one in the draft with our 6th overall pick. Sounds great right? Problem is, I don't think Landry was 6th overall talent. Landry was a huge reach IMO. Especially with the talent that was still available in the draft at that point. Wasn't that the year that Adrian Peterson came out? I don't know about you, but I'd take All-Day over Late Hit Landry every day and twice on sundays. The fact that we had CP is irrelevant because AP is a gamebreaking talent.

Posted by: ecale25 | September 25, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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