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Cooley Back as Practice Begins

The Redskins' practice has begun and, because we're allowed to report only on the first 10 minutes, we'll give you a quick update now and a full report after Jim Zorn's post-practice presser.

Jason Reid says that Chris Cooley was back on the field and doing drills with his position group and Ladell Betts was not present. That's all we can give you till after practice.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 11, 2008; 1:46 PM ET
 
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And first!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Cyn City, Jasno, you guys are ROCKING IT this week.

Thanks for all the updates.

And hooray for Cooley being back to work. (Gawd, I hate that word.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEY

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

His team's record in his first 21 starts: 9-12. That's one more win than our young Jason Campbell has in his first 21 starts.

If and when the Skins win Sunday (which they will, by 9 or more points) Campbell and Brees will have the exact same won-loss record through their first 22 starts, 9-13. If not, Campbell's record will be (gasp) two games worse than Brees'.
Just sayin'...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2008 1:43 PM

This is the kind of reporting I would expect from a beat reporter....

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

not enough venom for our beat reporter. And required far too much research

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Squirrels are wild animals. Why not specify the animal to make the analogy more powerful, something like: Wild Boars. That would be a good nickname for the Skins D if it ever reaches the heights of the Hogs of old.

The Wild Boars. Yes, yes I like it. I'm going to give myself a little treat for thinking of that. Hmmm now what shall I choose from the vending machine. How about a Scooter Pie! I deserve it for this idea.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

psp, when it comes to the pats, there is ONE, and ONLY ONE, event that you look at, and that is Tom Brady. Pioli is on record as saying that Brady is nothing more than LUCK, and nothing else. As I've stated previously, the Pats had 2-6th round picks that year, and they thought so much of Tom at the time, they didn't even use their FIRST 6th round pick on him.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 1:46 PM

Getting Brady was luck.

Getting Randy Moss to play like the old Randy Moss was not luck. Drafting Richard Seymour to anchor the d-line was not luck. Drafting Vince Wilfork in the 1st round, even though he wasn't going to play for the first couple years, was not luck. Plucking Rodney Harrison off FA to pull together a secondary was not luck. Identifying Josh McDaniels as an up-and-coming offensive mind was not luck. Identifying Mike Vrabel in FA as a potential franchise LB was not luck. Knowing they can let go of Super Bowl MVP Deion Branch without any fall-off, and in the process pick up a 1st rounder was not luck. Getting Corey Dillon to play with a team sense was not luck.

This team routinely puts itself in a position to win. They have a plan, and obviously it's worked.

Oh, and Tom Brady went down in the AFC Championship game early in the 2nd quarter and didn't return, in 2002 (I think that was the year). The Patriots still won the game. Luck?

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 1:56 PM

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think you handle Zombies by creating a nationalistic pass-time mass marketed through socially controlled media.

Then, engender a moderately educated group to study the performance of said pass-time and allow a forum for comment.

This will draw the zombies as moths to flame.

..mmmm...braiiinnsss...

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to carry this on from previous posts.

You should really give it up with the whole well-run organization thing by trying to make it about one "lucky pick"

I'm willing to bet that there are 5 organizations that had more pro bowl selections last year than we've had since say I dunno 2000. Half probably came from defense and aren't even on the field at the same time as Brady, LT or Manning.

I'd also be willing to bet that said organizations had more draft picks, more wins, more salary cap room and less dead money than the Skins.

The evidence is so overwhelming that I find it hard to believe that someone so "coherent" of thought could argue it.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

D'oh, I got corkczared...

4th- Go back to the last thread.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

From JZ presser to NO media:

Q: Are there any challenges that have come along that you didn’t expect at this point?

A: Probably the things I didn’t expect, one is how much people up here want to know about ht Redskins and want
to know everyday. They’re really ready to get into some Redskin information. It think it’s exciting for the fans, it’s
a great program and it’s a great place to coach football and play football, no question about it. The second thing I
would like to say is how much real life goes on in an entire program. With being a quarterbacks coach or an
offensive coordinator you have a portion of the team, but when you’re the head coach you’re with the team and
their families and the coaches and their families and the administration and their families, there’s a lot of real life
going on and I’m talking about celebrations of births, marriages, all kinds of exciting things happening and then
those tragedies like deaths, just very difficult things to have to deal with. I think those are probably the things that
I’ve been most surprised about and have maybe been the biggest adjustments for me.

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bud, any idea how long it takes your intestines to digest a Scooter Pie? I think I read three to four months to get it all broke down.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Forget throwing my poop-filled pants at Reggie Bush. I'm gonna aim them straight for Concerned Citizen. Now that's something he better be concerned about.

Posted by: | September 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

it has been proven that zombies have no brains (functionally, anyways). Does this, in fact, make Obama just another zombie? If so, then we have no worries. There's a guide already available for ridding ourselves of those pests.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

with your arm strength and accuracy, your feces will end up in your own lap.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Hope every read this Jason Campbell article...interesting opinions

http://www.playersvoice.com/nfl/not-just-black-and-white.html

Posted by: Boogaloo | September 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I know this is from a couple of threads back, but I like a good debate!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks Bush is a threat. Maybe my analysis on the last thread was correct.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 1:42 PM

Hey guy, I know Bust is a threat. You're and others are making this guy out like he's the second coming of Marshall Faulk, Gale Sayers, or LT, or dare I say better when he isn't. Dude absoutely disappears for WEEKS at a time and fumbles on the regualar. I don't care if he lined up in the seats at the Superdome, that doesn't make him unique or dynamic. Lorenzo Alexnader can play both sides of the ball and multiple positions on both sides of the ball. Versatile? Yes. Unique? Hardly.

And for the record, I see that you stated that you're relatively young, well so am I (24). If you're thinking that Bush is the most unique player you seen in your lifetime, then you missed a lot of football, my dude. And I've seen about as much as you have, assuming that you're in your early 20's.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm being dead serious, do you or do you not like "The Wild Boars" as a nickname for our defense?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less about another article incoherently discussing black/white qbs

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

What about an article that coherently discusses black quarterbacks?

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather read one the coherently discusses qb's thank you

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, good luck on that one - I think the "Johnny Unitas Story" that I read in elementary school was coherent.

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 11, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the tip.....as far as I am concerned, JC's my QB. I don't care if he's black, white, or Himalayan

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

++I'm being dead serious, do you or do you not like "The Wild Boars" as a nickname for our defense?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:10 PM ++


How about "The Wildy Boring" Defense ?!?!

Posted by: cej75024 | September 11, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Getting Randy Moss to play like the old Randy Moss was not luck.

Um, yes it was, there was a huge upswell that they had made a mistake, and that he wasn't going to change. There were a number of different people whom questioned this move, and rightfully so.


Drafting Richard Seymour to anchor the d-line was not luck.

Again, he was the #6 overall pick, and for the record, he's not as good as people make him out to be. He RARELY ever makes a game changing play.


Drafting Vince Wilfork in the 1st round, even though he wasn't going to play for the first couple years, was not luck

Don't know where you got this information from, but Wilfork was starting from the get go...


Identifying Mike Vrabel in FA as a potential franchise LB was not luck.

On the contrary, he had been released by Pittsburg, so they had NO IDEA what they were getting.

Knowing they can let go of Super Bowl MVP Deion Branch without any fall-off, and in the process pick up a 1st rounder was not luck.

Ok, I'll give you that, however how did that work out for them? They had ZERO receivers that year, and didn't make the super bowl, and then the next year had to trade a 2nd and a 4th to get Welker and Moss, because they had already traded a 2nd and 3rd for Chad Jackson, whom they recently CUT, and they had traded a 1st and 3rd for Ben Watson, whom can't stay healthy. So lets call that one a wash.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Bush the best 1 on 1 player in 20 years? The guy sucked last year, had a good week 1 and now we are supposed to hail him as the best. JLC just another member of the idiotic knee jerk media.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Richard Seymour is THE most overrated defensive linemen in the f'n league right now.

Everyone outside of Bristol and Boston knows this to be true. When you have respected players that talk about how much of a pus*ie and dirty player he is, I think that's all I need to know about Richard Seymour.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's put it this way. Pats have more Pro Bowl selections with a UFA Vrabel than the skins do with all the high priced FA's they've brought in this century.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of overrated I don't know why people are so high on Demarcus Ware. He isn't that big or powerful in my book.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dand it 4-12! Why you have to ruin my argument with Timmie Smith?!?!

It's not his fault Gibbs traded 2 picks to get him. He was a beast for UM, though.

Also, the diference between Howard and Timmie is that Howard had a beast postseason and he almost single handly brought them to the SB. Him and Rison.......

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I could live with the Wild Boars; well, not live WITH them...

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather be overrated than not rated at all like you skins guys.

Posted by: Richard Symour | September 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Okay Anon, I like it. "The Wild Boars" it is. Does that help?

Posted by: splitbill | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I've LONG said Seymour was overrated.

Who stomped on a players head first, Seymour, or Haynesworth?? Seymour.

He's never healthy, he NEVER dominates a game, sorry, I just don't buy it.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Getting Moss to play like he did last year may not be that easy if Cassell doesn't play well. The talent has always been there. It's the desire that goes out the window when Moss becomes frustrated/unhappy.

Posted by: [cc] | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Repost:

I just find it funny that when a franchise starts to win consistently, they suddenly become "well-run".

Perception is reality. If you get most people to say that this blog spot is the place to be, people would be here. Some individuals follow the heard, some don't.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Has the post thought about investing in a chopper? Or maybe borrowing the traffic chopper from its parter WTOP? Then you could report on the whole practice. Of course, Snyder would have a practice bubble up in, like, 48 hours.

Posted by: Mike H. | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The Pats mgmt has been very good, but that doesn't mean they haven't been lucky as well. Out here, they still talk about the 'stupid tuck rule'. Except they usually substitute multiple four letter words for stupid.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

John D and Splitball,

I love you guys.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

WAIT...WAIT WHAT?????

You lowly Redskins with your pathetic front office dare look down upon the juggernaught i've built? How dare you.

One could make the argument that when it comes to ranking FO's Patriots #1, Skins #32 so please stop embarrassing yourselves.

Posted by: Scott Peoli | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

+++I just find it funny that when a franchise starts to win consistently, they suddenly become "well-run".+++

Cart before the horse, Dude.

+++Bob Kraft has had the Pats since 1994 and I never heard anyone talk about how "well-run" it was until after Brady won them a couple of championships.+++

Anyone here willing to trade Danny's learning cure for Kraft's? I thought so.

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Drew Brees considered to be a really good QB in this league?

His team's record in his first 21 starts: 9-12. That's one more win than our young Jason Campbell has in his first 21 starts.

If and when the Skins win Sunday (which they will, by 9 or more points) Campbell and Brees will have the exact same won-loss record through their first 22 starts, 9-13. If not, Campbell's record will be (gasp) two games worse than Brees'.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2008 1:43 PM

Nate, great post except you're forgetting one thing, he was drafted by and played for the Chargers when they were terrible! They had the first pick in the draft that year, and traded it to atlanta to get LT and Brees. But it was a while before they had the talent that Brees/Rivers got to play with recently. The Redskins have always had middle of the pack talent, not great, but not 1st pick of the draft talent since JC has been here. So once again, to make more excuses for him is not fair.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Alex, you up here??

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to talk about Pro-Bowls? I made one last year, heck I didn't break 1000 yards....sucka's....

Posted by: Marion Barber | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you when I hear people slurp dudes like Reginald mcBUST and Richard Seymour, it just proves the affect of the ESPN and national media propaganda has on sports fans.

Good grief, just because f'n NFL Live or a Sunday pre-game show tell you a guy is f'n all-world you don't have to believe it. Watch for yourself, and use your own analysis. Sometimes when people make arguments over these OVERHYPED football players makes me think I'm watching freakin' Boomer and the gang. Either one.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Can't talk pro-bowls without mentioning me...my fat @ss made it last year. heh, heh, heh....

Posted by: Leonard Davis | September 11, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

How in the world did I spell my name wrong??

Must have been like the time I drafted Laurence Maroney, when guys like Joseph Addai, and Maurice Jones Drew were still on the board....

Posted by: Scott Pioli | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Red of the DMV,

Alright I apologize for the misunderstanding. Let me rephrase. He's the most unique AND versatile AND dynamic impact player I've seen in my lifetime, other than Michael Vick.

I never said he was the next coming of Faulk or LT or Sayers. Faulk and LT are running backs who could (can) catch extremely well.

Bush is not. Bush is the only true hybrid RB/WR I've seen play. He will never be used to pound teams on the ground the way Faulk and LT sometimes were(are) used. But he will be used as a change of pace on the ground, while primarily being an open field receiver the rest of the time. You think of him as a RB who catches the ball, but he's really a WR who runs the ball.

If Bush went down, there are maybe 2 other "RBs" that could replace him (LT and Westbrook). Neither are used in the capacity and way that Bush is used with their teams. That's what makes him so unique (plus the other descriptions above).

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I invented the Pro Bowl, suckers!

Posted by: The Red Snapper | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I just find it funny that when a franchise starts to win consistently, they suddenly become "well-run".

Perception is reality. If you get most people to say that this blog spot is the place to be, people would be here. Some individuals follow the heard, some don't.

Posted by: Skip in Va | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM


I find it funny that someone would find that funny.

That wasn't analogous by the way. A better analogy would be something like, I don't see why everyone says Usain Bolt is the fastest man in the world just because he wins all the races.

If you succeed in any venture to do what is specified goal of your organization that is the very definition of well run.


Or to put it more coherently:

Hello, you play to win the game. You don't play to just play it. That's the great thing about sports.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Wattup Zeke?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

My anon post above.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Dand it 4-12! Why you have to ruin my argument with Timmie Smith?!?!"

Ha 4th! You know I can't tolerate the 'Desmond Howard was good' talk.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 11, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How in the world did I spell my name wrong??

Must have been like the time I drafted Laurence Maroney, when guys like Joseph Addai, and Maurice Jones Drew were still on the board....

Posted by: Scott Pioli | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM


OH BURN!!! You really got me. You're right about Maroney though that killed us. If it weren't for those 17 wins we had last year we'd have had a losing record because of it.

Posted by: Scott Peoli | September 11, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How in the world did I spell my name wrong??

Must have been like the time I drafted Laurence Maroney, when guys like Joseph Addai, and Maurice Jones Drew were still on the board....

Posted by: Scott Pioli | September 11, 2008 2:28 PM

Mr Pioli...how's Maroney's 51 yrds working for you now that your special qb is watching games on tv?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse


+++Actually, I think you handle Zombies by creating a nationalistic pass-time mass marketed through socially controlled media.

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 1:59 PM+++

"socially" controlled?

Let us know when there IS one in the country...Right now the media is CORPORATELY controlled, a series of monopolies faithful to the bottom line far less than to journalistic standards.

Part of this is good old-fashioned Corporate greed. But recently it's more the design of talented and dedicated propagandists who have manipulated it with skills unseen since Goebbels.

Oh wait, did you eman the "Tell him no" Zombies? Or the ones stalking Michael Jackson in "Thriller?"

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What about an article that coherently discusses black quarterbacks?

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 11, 2008 2:11 PM

Jason Whitlock had a thought provoking one this morning about black QBs (and black NFL players generally ... actually, maybe just on the offensive side of the line of scrimmage) in reflecting on Vince Young's mental state.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of overrated I don't know why people are so high on Demarcus Ware. He isn't that big or powerful in my book.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:20 PM

When the collective national media starts to overrate and hype players, I'll identify them and make my opinion known regarding that player.

Demarcus Ware is not one of those players.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

one of the strange things about the Skins organization, is that they do pretty well with their draft picks overall. Their 1st round picks in recent years: Landry, Campbell, ST21, Carlos Rogers. No busts and a couple studs. Which is pretty solid stuff. Their late round picks have yielded some good players, though no stars.

Overall, the results from the Skins drafts have been pretty good. The issue is that they gave away too many picks for too little in return and they have too often focused on the wrong positions (especially, too few picks on the lines).

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Squirrels are wild animals. Why not specify the animal to make the analogy more powerful, ...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 1:58 PM

Like rabbits? Rabbits can be wild animals. Ask Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone tell me how Cooley will be more visible Sunday? How can this guy only catch one pass? Hopefully the shotgun will help in this regard. I don't see how we can win if Cooley is not invoved.

Posted by: splitbill | September 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Alex, you got a Saint on your roster and I got one on mine. Since they play the Skins, I'll bench my guy (Henderson) if you sit out yours.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about a QB's race. An QB of a different species however, that will not stand.

Just say no to a manatee playing QB!

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Anon,
so, bush is used in the same way we would like to use CP, except so far nothing on our offense seems to be working.

Posted by: stumped | September 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Deal, I do have a solid backup TE for the week. Though I have him on the trade block.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

if the manatee could throw us some td's, I wouldn't care if it were black, white, male or female

I just want some td's

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone outside of Bristol and Boston knows this to be true. When you have respected players that talk about how much of a pus*ie and dirty player he is, I think that's all I need to know about Richard Seymour.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:17 PM

Doesn't make him bad, just makes him dirty.

Anybody that says Richard Seymour is overrated is simply a Patriots hater. I don't like Seymour, but I'm not foolish enough to think he's not a big-time player.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Like rabbits? Rabbits can be wild animals. Ask Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 2:32 PM

Or those guys searching for the Holy Grail ...

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

it has been proven that zombies have no brains (functionally, anyways). Does this, in fact, make Obama just another zombie? If so, then we have no worries. There's a guide already available for ridding ourselves of those pests.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:04 PM

Um Moron? Zombies are FICTIONAL!!!

Like McCain's new policies, Palin's qualifications for office, and Bush's accomplishments.

And if you think four more years of Bush (W, not Reggie) will cure what ails this country, than it si you who lack brainssss

Ironic, aint it, to see a post like yours as we enter the eighth year of Bin Laden roams free...

Posted by: Anti-Swiftboat Redskin Fans for Truth, not Propaganda | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Al,

Top 10 picks should pretty much be no brainer sure fire picks. ST and Landry were great picks though. CR is questionable at this point.

The only really great pick I can pull off the top of my head is Chris Cooley. Goldston and Monty are decent. That's about all i got. Vinny is a decent evaluator of college talent though.

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not allowed to talk about losing Tom.

I mean, lets be honest, 42-58 without Tom as his starting qb.

Gotta go, here comes bill....

Posted by: Scott Pioli | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Change made. So for this weekend I am rooting for Philly to whip the cowboys too. Always fun to root against the cowboys.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Don't know where you got this information from, but Wilfork was starting from the get go..."

Nope. Keith Traylor was the NT, Wilfork was the backup. Ty Warren and Richard Seymour were the 2 ends.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

He's got big teeth!

Posted by: Arthur, King of the Brittons | September 11, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

make that 16 years, including Clinton's inept years.....let's not make it 20 with Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Getting Randy Moss to play like the old Randy Moss was not luck."

"Um, yes it was, there was a huge upswell that they had made a mistake, and that he wasn't going to change. There were a number of different people whom questioned this move, and rightfully so."

The entire point of this discussion was that a well-run team knows what they are doing. Just because other exec or analyst idiots thought they made a mistake just shows why the Patriots are better at running a franchise than they are.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Identifying Mike Vrabel in FA as a potential franchise LB was not luck.

"On the contrary, he had been released by Pittsburg, so they had NO IDEA what they were getting."

Yet, every other team in the league could have picked this guy up (including the Browns, who idiotically released him), but the Patriots were the ones to actually do it. You're right, they had no idea what they were doing.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

psp, what year did the pats get traylor?

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Relax, I have the bunny.

Posted by: Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch | September 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Fictional? I'm the only one with Executive Experience you ninny. Have any of the other three candidates dealt with a budget, a police force, military signed a bill into law?

Hate my policies. Hate me but don't be a retard Swiftboater.

Posted by: Sara Palin | September 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

TIM:
Well, that's no ordinary rabbit!
ARTHUR:
Ohh.
TIM:
That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!
ROBIN:
You tit! I soiled my armour I was so scared!
TIM:
Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!
GALAHAD:
Get stuffed!
TIM:
He'll do you up a treat, mate.
GALAHAD:
Oh, yeah?
ROBIN:
You mangy Scots git!
TIM:
I'm warning you!
ROBIN:
What's he do, nibble your bum?
TIM:
He's got huge, sharp-- eh-- he can leap about-- look at the bones!

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

broadcasting conforms to social acceptance. It'll produce what we take. If we buy the products, they'll make the fodder.

If you want to get into a debate about whether this country's policies actually reflect those of the 'people' - that's for a different space... I was just commenting on how we're all a little Zombified here. I believe you're supporting that tougne in cheeck contention by posting ;)

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

psp, they had no idea if Moss would show up and play hard, or if he was going to show up and act like an azz, how does that make them smart?

Sorry, agree to disagree on all things patriot related. You sound like a pats fan...

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once at the number three, being the third number be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it.'

Posted by: Skinz channelling the Cleric | September 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll give you that, however how did that work out for them? They had ZERO receivers that year, and didn't make the super bowl, and then the next year had to trade a 2nd and a 4th to get Welker and Moss, because they had already traded a 2nd and 3rd for Chad Jackson, whom they recently CUT, and they had traded a 1st and 3rd for Ben Watson, whom can't stay healthy. So lets call that one a wash.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:17 PM

You're going to call that a wash?

They received Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Ben Watson for essentially for two 2nds, two 3rds, and a 4th.

Yet, we praise the FO for using three 2nds on Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, and Fred Davis.

I don't know about you, but I think the Patriots win that talent acquisition comparison.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

According to our current VP - your FACE is a wild animal!!


...zingaahhhh!

..maps.. [:-\

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Even some of my Republican friends think this is funny...


http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

The point is how many times does one organization have to get "lucky" before start thinking that maybe it aint luck.

Is Theo Epstein luckier than Brian Cashman or just better?

Posted by: Skinz | September 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"make that 16 years, including Clinton's inept years"

I sure would not mind those inept Clinton years back...

Posted by: unemployed worker who has no insurance and lost a home | September 11, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

And after thy plucking of the pin, thou shall pin it on da Coarch!

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to talk about Pro-Bowls? I made one last year, heck I didn't break 1000 yards....sucka's....

Posted by: Marion Barber | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM

But he once broke wind in a Burger King bathroom....

Posted by: Tony Romo | September 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Good Alex ... I don't ever want to play a FF guy playing against the Skins. Thasts why I didn't pick anyone from our NFC East opponents.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

that voicemail is f'n awesome! hahahahahaha

Posted by: Dik | September 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

how precious! Swifty has Palin envy!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I sure would not mind those inept Clinton years back...

Posted by: unemployed worker who has no insurance and lost a home | September 11, 2008 2:48 PM

Try getting a job, and you won't need a democrat to provide you with insurance and a home

Posted by: Self Sufficient | September 11, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"He's the most unique AND versatile AND dynamic impact player I've seen in my lifetime, other than Michael Vick."

Just because Bush can line up wide, doesn't make him a receiver. He's not running routes like a WR, he'll run a curl, a fade to the sideline, or run out in the flats. He isn't running routes like Jerry Rice out there. The Saints, or should I say Sean Payton do a great job of getting him in space. You're tagging Bush as a WR? I disagree. He isn't running routes to get open.

What he does hardly makes him unique. He is a RB who has pass catching skills. There are several RBs who were good to great pass catchers.

Marshall Faulk
LaDainian Tomlinson
Ricky Watters
Roger Craig
Eric Metcalf (The first HB/WR I ever seen)

And a boatload of others I can't think of right now. As I said just because he catches passes doesn't make him a WR. Reggie Bush is what they call egnigmas in college; an athlete.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"make that 16 years, including Clinton's inept years"

I sure would not mind those inept Clinton years back...

Posted by: unemployed worker who has no insurance and lost a home | September 11, 2008 2:48 PM


I bet you could have dug a ditch or worked at 7-11 but you decided to sit at home and send out resumes instead of helping yourself.

Sorry no pity here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, agree to disagree on all things patriot related. You sound like a pats fan...

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:47 PM

Yea, and I can't believe it because I absolutely LOATHE the pats. Outside of the NFC East, the Cleveland Cavs, and Mexico soccer, they're my most hated sports franchise.

But I gotta give respect were respect is due. They run a winning organization.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

psp, you forgot the first they used on Watson.

Again, agree to disagree on the pats.

Skinz, theo is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Cashman, no doubt.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I bet you could have dug a ditch or worked at 7-11 but you decided to sit at home and send out resumes instead of helping yourself.

Sorry no pity here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:54 PM

You must be 160 years old. When is the last time you saw someone digging a ditch? That's done by machines.

What he could have done was deliver pizzas or take french fry orders.

Posted by: motivator | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Skins picks 2004-07 still with the team:
LaRon, HB, Rocky, Montgomery, Doughty, Golston, Rogers, Campbell and Cooley. Plus ST21 in our hearts.

That's not too bad with 21 picks overall, especially since 14 of those 21 picks were round 5 or later

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe it was when Scott Pioli and Bill Polian took over the franchises. You know, the guys that are paid to run the teams now.

So, McNabb was a "special player" one year, then not a "special player" the next? Same with McNair?

How about the people the team put around those guys makes them a "special player"? Doesn't that make more sense. That's what we're talking about. That's not luck. That's what well-run franchises do, they put their teams in the best position to win. It's consistency year-after-year those teams add pieces that are very useful to their franchises, whether through the draft or through free agency. It doesn't make a difference if they have Tom Brady at QB or Kordell Stewart at QB. They put their franchises in a position to win. That is not luck.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 1:39 PM

Yeah...there's no difference at all between Tom Brady and Kordell Stewart. It's all the same. The fact that Brady is out this year means nothing. Are you betting your paycheck that the Pats are going to win it all with Matt Cassell? Do you envision another 50TD season from that QB position? You should, because nothing has changed in how the team is being run.

Look psps23, you are helping me make my point. Good coaching and management takes special players and builds around them. But what is the FIRST step in that process: It begins with SPECIAL PLAYERS. Someone with unique talents and abilities who are able to take the pro-game by the horns and wrestle it to the ground. And how do we get those "special players"? Do we go to the "special players" store? No. Truth is they just turn up. Some of them are highly-heralded number 1 draft picks. Others are 6th-rounders. Other are undrafted guys who get a lucky break and a starting position when they were bagging groceries. And when it comes down to it, once all the scouting is done and all the combines are complete, the teams that unearth these special guys are pretty lucky teams.


Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

That's not too bad with 21 picks overall, especially since 14 of those 21 picks were round 5 or later

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

That's the indictment right there, only 7 picks in rounds 1-4 in a four year span.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

+++I just find it funny that when a franchise starts to win consistently, they suddenly become "well-run".+++

Cart before the horse, Dude.

+++Bob Kraft has had the Pats since 1994 and I never heard anyone talk about how "well-run" it was until after Brady won them a couple of championships.+++

Anyone here willing to trade Danny's learning cure for Kraft's? I thought so.

Posted by: Corkczar, Crotchety Blog Peep | September 11, 2008 2:23 PM

Yeah, that genius Bob Kraft who orchestrated Drew Bledsoe's internal bleeding so that back-up Brady could get some PT. I took him a decade in the league to figure that one out.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I bet you could have dug a ditch or worked at 7-11 but you decided to sit at home and send out resumes instead of helping yourself.

Sorry no pity here.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:54 PM

You must be 160 years old. When is the last time you saw someone digging a ditch? That's done by machines.

What he could have done was deliver pizzas or take french fry orders.

Posted by: motivator | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

I doubt it. He was probably raised by wolves in the bad section of town and is afraid to step out of his den. This is definitely society's fault.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

From the webchat:

Football 101: Spending high draft picks (PLURAL!) on wide receivers while neglected the lines (both sides) is really going to hurt this team this year and moving forward. Combine this with putting in an offense that emphasizes the things your QB does worst, while ignoring the many strengths he has already shown, and I just have to wonder is anybody minding the store? Seriously, this is nuts.

Jason La Canfora: I am 100 percent with you. I blogged my guts out about this before, during and after the draft, wrote columns about it during preseason games, etc.

Good teams start with putting their independent positions in a position to succeed (QB, DTs, O Line) and then building around that with dependent positions like WR, CB. You start closest to the ball. Pretty much tried and true.

It's backwards here, from the talk in 06 and 07 about using a great secondary to build a pass rush, or taking three young pass catchers with your top 3 picks (despite all of them sliding down other draft boards for one reason or another, and despite already having massive assets tied up in those positions), or offering two first rounders and $20-plus million for Chad Johnson.

hey, you guys figure it out. I sure can't.


From zjfr2: I get tired of hearing you guys bang on Jla for his negativity, the truth is this franchise since Snyder took over has been just one knee-jerk, unorthodox decision after another. There's nothing wrong with unorthodox if it works, but Snyder like 0 of 100 on his decisions. This franchise has underachieved for years given the consistent and unwavering support we give it and considering the resources Snyder has spent on it. In the end it boils down to Snyder is an idiot but we get mad at Jason for pointing it out........"pay no attention to the man........" its time we stop getting mad that somebody (who's job it is by the way to report on and give their opinions of the team and franchise) has the nerve to accurately assess the Redskins, and start getting mad at Snyder. I will never stop watching or rooting for the Redskins, but I will never....ever go to Fed Ex again or buy a $30 box lunch from Johnny Crap Rockets, or buy a $10 beer, or pay $100 bucks to park while Snyder is the owner!

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Give up psp some people would rather pound there point home than actually listen.

74 pro bowl selections for the Patriots since 2000. Tom Brady wasn't selected 10 times a year.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Wait which post is new. According to the RSS its the Blanche one on the sight its the Cooley post.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Convo getting a bit stale up here. How about this rumor

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/11/bucs-shopping-garcia/

Would the skins look at Garcia, a long time vet of WCO, as a season saver?

I am not endorsing this, just changing the subject. Of course the Pats are more than just lucky, thats beyond retarded, but who cares...F the Pats!

Posted by: cHrIs LaRrY | September 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Memory isn't working ... how did the Python's evade the killer rabbit, is that when the animator died?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"It doesn't make a difference if they have Tom Brady at QB or Kordell Stewart at QB"

psp, I gotta tell ya, my ass is grass if Brady isn't my qb. 14 games under .500, with only 1 winning season out of 6. Trust me on this one, if we don't get Brady in the 6th, I'm coaching high school football today.


Posted by: Bill Belichick | September 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

cool......I just moved up one more on the season ticket waiting list. Thanks zj

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Mike, on September 11th, 2008 at 11:20 am Said:
Dexter Manley always said that he wanted to hit people so hard that he saw a snot bubble. It was always fun to see if Dexter succeeded. It was harmless too.

This made me laugh, it's from the Redskins blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

BRETT FAVRE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: j madden | September 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I've owned my team for 13 seasons and we've been to the Super Bowl 5 times. Once without Brady. Please do not, I repeat DO NOT talk smack to me.

Posted by: Bob Kraft | September 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

psps23, I'm far from a Patroit hater. I don't root for them, and I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Please see my 2:25 on this thread regarding players and the national media.

Dude, just because Bristol tells you a player is good don't make it so.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I told him .. we already GOT ONE!

Go away you silly, english k-nig-it or I shall taunt you a second time..

Posted by: John D in Houston | September 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

That's not too bad with 21 picks overall, especially since 14 of those 21 picks were round 5 or later

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

That's the indictment right there, only 7 picks in rounds 1-4 in a four year span.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 2:59 PM


That's what I meant when I posted earlier saying they had given up too many picks for too little in return. I posted a few days back on positions. Over the last 5 years, a bit less than 20% of the picks have been on the lines, even though linemen make up a bit more than 40% of your starters.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I want to say more but that's all I've got. I've got more, but not yet. When I have more, you'll be the first to know. I'm here, we're ready, but there's nothing more to say right now. But when I do, you will, it's all good, so that's that.

Posted by: Slobberknocker | September 11, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Once without Brady

And how'd that work out for you?

Posted by: Desmond Howard | September 11, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Memory isn't working ... how did the Python's evade the killer rabbit, is that when the animator died?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:03 PM

They did it with the Holly Hand Grenade.


Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I've owned my team for 13 seasons and we've been to the Super Bowl 5 times. Once without Brady. Please do not, I repeat DO NOT talk smack to me.

Posted by: Bob Kraft | September 11, 2008 3:06 PM

So, Mr. Kraft. Do you think you'll be returning to the Super Bowl this year WITHOUT Brady?

Posted by: Lady Luck | September 11, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, it's a much better possibility that I get there than the Skins though.

Posted by: Bob Kraft | September 11, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Alex -- when you get to be my age -- you'll understand

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

So, Mr. Kraft. Do you think you'll be returning to the Super Bowl this year WITHOUT Brady?

Posted by: Lady Luck | September 11, 2008 3:11 PM

Mr. Kraft: I expect to have a better record than the Redskins.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

74 pro bowl selections for the Patriots since 2000. Tom Brady wasn't selected 10 times a year.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:02 PM

Nice run on those ProBowl selections. How many of those ProBowlers got to touch me before Brady came along?

Posted by: The Lombardi Trophy | September 11, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

And when it comes down to it, once all the scouting is done and all the combines are complete, the teams that unearth these special guys are pretty lucky teams.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

Sooo what you're saying is that the scouting really doesn't make a difference, it's all about getting lucky with whoever you pick.

That's not called luck. That's called being a good scout, or a good GM, or a good player personnel department, or a good Front Office.

Tell me, who is or was a "special guy" on the Colts? Manning? Obviously.

But what about Marvin Harrison? Reggie Wayne? Marshall Faulk? Edgerrin James? Joseph Addai? Tarik Glenn? Jeff Saturday? Dwight Freeney? Bob Sanders? Marcus Washington? Mike Peterson? Robert Mathis? Cato June? Dallas Clark?

All of these players were identified and drafted. What are they the luckiest team in the history of the world?

Truth is they have a Front office and talent identification team that is better than arguably every other team in the league. It's not luck, it's a skill.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

For all the comments about the Pats w/o Brady, they did win their opener. Which is more than you can say for the rest of AFC final 4 teams (SD, Indy and Jax)

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Alex -- when you get to be my age -- you'll understand

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:12 PM

well I own it. It's merely a flesh wound.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Lets be honest, right now, my team sucks, and we lost our starting qb to boot...we were 4-12 last year, and probably not going to be much better this year, only I traded our best player, Jared Allen.

To be honest the whole game was a brain fart for me. The Pats lost Brady, and I never changed up my game plan defensively for them. What was I thinking.....

Posted by: Herm Edwards | September 11, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

where dem hoes be?

Posted by: cc | September 11, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

psp, you forgot the first they used on Watson.

Posted by: Greg | September 11, 2008 2:57 PM

I cancelled it out for the 1st they gained from Branch.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Truth is they have a Front office and talent identification team that is better than arguably every other team in the league. It's not luck, it's a skill.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:15 PM

Who is their back up QB? How much NFL game experience has he got?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Who is their back up QB? How much NFL game experience has he got?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Give me a break! He started for his high school football team, you hater.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the Patroits, DO NOT like the Patroits. But if you say that Kordell Stewart and Tom Brady are the same, I'd advise you to quit freebasing.

Tom Brady is either the first or second best QB in the league right now.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Who is their back up QB? How much NFL game experience has he got?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 11, 2008 3:23 PM


Bout as much as our 3rd stringer.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Lets see how he does rehabbing me.

I've been known to make the great one's average...

Posted by: Tom Brady's ACL | September 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'd rather have a 3rd string qb who has several college football passing records, than a starting qb who never started a college football game.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Who is their back up QB? How much NFL game experience has he got?

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 11, 2008 3:23 PM

As Todd Collins taught us last year, NFL game experience is not the end all be all for QBs, especially when you've been studying the same playbook for the last 5 years.

And nobody is saying they're perfect. But their success with finding players goes beyond luck.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Jibba Jabba

1. NE pats
2. Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Door #2 please. Now name your favorite colour

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

John D, you going to evacuate for Ike? How's it going down there, people getting a little antsy?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | September 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'd rather have a 3rd string qb who has several college football passing records, than a starting qb who never started a college football game.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:28 PM

Agree. How did this guy even get picked up? I mean he threw what 33 passes at USC? How does anyone grab him over someone who played at an average school and did well?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason Whitlock had a thought provoking one this morning about black QBs (and black NFL players generally ... actually, maybe just on the offensive side of the line of scrimmage) in reflecting on Vince Young's mental state.

Posted by: dcsween | September 11, 2008 2:31 PM

Link Please.....

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Burgundy no wait Gold. Waaaaaaa!

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm worth a 2nd and 3rd.

Posted by: Chad Jackson | September 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

that's where having a special player like Brady allows a team to stock up at other positions. My bet is that, while the Brady years were awfully good, the Patriots decision to not address his backup will come back to haunt them.

I may be completely wrong, but I believe that NE will struggle mightily with a qb who hasn't started a game since HS. I seriously doubt that he will still be the qb at the end of the season.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Dand it 4-12! Why you have to ruin my argument with Timmie Smith?!?!"

Ha 4th! You know I can't tolerate the 'Desmond Howard was good' talk.

Posted by: 4-12 | September 11, 2008 2:30 PM

Ok. Rephrase.

D Howard never panned out to be the next great Posse member.

But he had a great short term returner's career capped off by a fabolous run that led Favre's team through the playoffs and single handly won the SB for them.

Better?

Hail to the Victors!

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the Patroits, DO NOT like the Patroits. But if you say that Kordell Stewart and Tom Brady are the same, I'd advise you to quit freebasing.

Tom Brady is either the first or second best QB in the league right now.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 11, 2008 3:25 PM

When did I or anybody say Tom Brady and Kordell Stewart are the same?

I said it doesn't make a difference if they had Tom Brady or Kordell Stewart as their QB, their FO's put their teams in a position to win. This is meant to be a stark contrast between the two QBs, not an equivalent comparison. The Steelers had a season where they went 13-3 with Kordell Stewart, and it had nothing to do with him being a "special player".

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

did anyone notice the Patriots offensive perfomance in the preseason when Brady didn't take a snap?

It's gonna get ugly gentlemen.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Nate, great post except you're forgetting one thing, he was drafted by and played for the Chargers when they were terrible! They had the first pick in the draft that year, and traded it to atlanta to get LT and Brees. But it was a while before they had the talent that Brees/Rivers got to play with recently. The Redskins have always had middle of the pack talent, not great, but not 1st pick of the draft talent since JC has been here. So once again, to make more excuses for him is not fair.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 2:22 PM

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 11, 2008 2:24 PM

BUT THEY HAD LADANIAN TOMLINSON?!?!

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sooo what you're saying is that the scouting really doesn't make a difference, it's all about getting lucky with whoever you pick.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:15 PM

Nooo that's not what I was saying. But it's sure nice that the list of offensive players you mention were installed AROUND Peyton Manning. Except for Marvin Harrison who didn't break 1000 yards receiving or have double-digit TDs until AFTER Peyton got there. Or Marshall Faulk who was drafted 2 overall and making NCAA records - yeah, it took a crack scouting staff to make that selection.


Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I said it doesn't make a difference if they had Tom Brady or Kordell Stewart as their QB, their FO's put their teams in a position to win. This is meant to be a stark contrast between the two QBs, not an equivalent comparison. The Steelers had a season where they went 13-3 with Kordell Stewart, and it had nothing to do with him being a "special player".

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:37 PM

I'd say 3 championships with Brady and zero with Kordell indicates that having a special player does make a difference.

Whatever, dude, we're talking past each other now...let's just mutually shoot this one in the head.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm a P.O.W. so that makes me more qualified than anyone else to be President.

Just like all thoese P.O.W.'s at Gitmo are more qualified to be President of USA too.

Posted by: War P.O.W. | September 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Also Jack, I disagree with your assesment on JLaC.

As a man, he is a good man.

As a redskin Beat Reporter, well..........the masses tend to agree. I don't side with anons who blindside him with creul and unusual words. But I call it like I see it with as he does. Where's the problem? He has an established track record for over 2 years of different analysis from various sources...

Posted by: 4th | September 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

being a war hero and a life long public servant since his POW release certainly is more than just being a POW, thank you

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Nooo that's not what I was saying. But it's sure nice that the list of offensive players you mention were installed AROUND Peyton Manning. Except for Marvin Harrison who didn't break 1000 yards receiving or have double-digit TDs until AFTER Peyton got there. Or Marshall Faulk who was drafted 2 overall and making NCAA records - yeah, it took a crack scouting staff to make that selection.

Posted by: p1funk | September 11, 2008 3:39 PM

So Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Jeff Saturday, Tarik Glenn, and Dallas Clark are all not special players. Got it.

And Marshall Faulk was a sure-fire 1st-ballot HOF at #2 overall. Good thing that cracking staff at Cleveland decided to pick Dan "Big Daddy" Wilkinson at #1.

And it's good thing our FO was on top of their game that day. Salivating for Heath Shuler at #3? Whew, that was a brilliant one.

Posted by: psps23 | September 11, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't P.O.W. a kick-ass videogame for Nintendo back in the day?

Posted by: POW | September 11, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Burgundy no wait Gold. Waaaaaaa!

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 11, 2008 3:34 PM

Classic!

Posted by: [cc] | September 11, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: a nono mouse | September 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Hope every read this Jason Campbell article...interesting opinions"

That was perhaps the most stupid thing I've ever read.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | September 11, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

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