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Cooley, Daniels and Morning Update

For the morning practice, the team is in pads, although Chris Cooley and Phillip Daniels are not. It looks as if Cooley, who rarely misses practice, might have a morning of sidework ahead of him. Anthony Alridge started the morning on the stationary bike.


By Rick Maese  |  August 19, 2009; 9:01 AM ET
 
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furhst. snyder and vinny blow.

Posted by: sjw1 | August 19, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Anthony Alridge started the morning on the stationary bike."

Jason Reid

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This is a little sketchy.

How many beats per minute is his pulse?

Is he tweeting? Wearing an ipod?

What about his socks? Ankle high or knee kissers?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 19, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Can we get some insight on who's winning the punt return duties. I can't stand another season of Randle'El leaving field position on the play. He's god awful at it.

Posted by: Devo2 | August 19, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Lol@Chia

Player relations mistakes?
There are other examples but the most obvious is CPo.

Roster Management mistakes??
Zorn is on record stating he DID NOT WANT an upgraded offensive line BEFORE the draft... Is that NOT the most glaring problem on this team? Buffalo is STARTING the two tackles they drafted. I don't have a problem w/ Orakpo as a player, but they are possibly throwing away this season for getting him.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Devo,

While I fully admit ARE has not had a stellar return record here, you gotta remember he's not the only one on that team. He RARELY gets a chance to take a step without having to ditch someone. How 'bout some STeam blocking?! ugh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"It looks as if Cooley, who rarely misses practice, might have a morning of sidework ahead of him."

Jason Reid

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Sidework?

Why are they making Chris Cooley roll silverware and refill ketchups?

That's more Fred Davis' job, isn't it?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 19, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

*From previous thread*

Lest we get too down on Zorn, may I remind the anti-Zorners that he inherited a team that had been beat up emotionally from the loss of ST, had just replaced its HC, OC AND DC, and had holes or depth issues at safety, DT, WR, LB, and all across the O-line.

A word that never gets mentioned around here is, 'rebuilding', and Zorn has - like it or not - been stuck with a rebuilding process that Gibbs never quite got around to.

Our window for winning with Jansen, Kendall, Brunell, Springs, Washington, and Thrash was over. Truth is, it was probably never fully open, but that's another discussion.

So, from a rebuilding perspective, is the team we are fielding now better than when Zorn came in? I believe it is. Our WR group seems poised to improve. Our O-line is younger and has some depth, even if not improved. Our D line is now a strength. Our safety position has been adequately filled. In other words, each of the major positions are better than when Zorn arrived.

I think that everyone gets so spoiled by the 'one piece away from glory' mentality that they underestimate the amount of work (and re-work) that this team needed. You have to give credit to either Zorn or Cerrato for the overhaul. I'm going with Zorn.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 19, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

dik, the whole cp/zorn thing, isn't that much ado over nothing? I mean, don't make that more than it was.

Again, I've said this ad-neauseum(sp), but lets see how they do this year, lets actually let them play this year out, before we fire the HC.

Crazy, I know......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Can you give an update on the reserve Linebackers? The Skins drafted 2 this year, but have veterans Thomas, Fincher, Blades, and Wilson also in reserve roles. How is the competition shaping up? Are the late-round draft picks going to be able to supplant Thomas or Fincher?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | August 19, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Zen is on record stating he DID NOT WANT an upgraded offensive line BEFORE the draft... Is that NOT the most glaring problem on this team?

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 9:15 AM

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Coach Zen says all kinds of things; he's an effusive communicator. It's people like you, who remember the silly he says that are the real problem, NOT Coach Zen.

and Dik, as far as the O Line is concerned, this is NOT a glaring deficiency so much as it is an oozing, gangrenous sore.

Owned!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 19, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

matt, well said....nicely done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned last week that you can't fill all the holes in one offseason. Both lines needed to be upgraded and we got Dock for the O-Line and Haynesworth and Orakpo for the D-Line.

Looks like Snyder and Cerrato decided to try the 2000 Ravens strategy and just beat 'em down with the defense and hope you win 10-7. Upgrade the pass rush and hope year 2 of the offense goes smoother than year one. It may not work, but I wouldn't say we threw away this season to get Orakpo. From what I've seen and read the dude was a great pick.

Now, if we don't draft any O-Linemen next year, well, then I don't know what to tell you except the FO is filled with morons.

Posted by: countystyle | August 19, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Furthermore, Dik, The Danny's obsession with shiny toy guns is to blame for the dearth of "young and stacked" offensive linemen, not anything Coach Zen might have said.

and Orapko will pay huge dividends for years to come...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 19, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Firing Zorn most likely means gutting the roster, and starting over at places like qb for example, and implementing a new offensive system.

makes sense....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:06 AM


I'm pretty sure Snyder doesn't need a coaching change to do that...whether Zorn is here or not that's gonna happen in two years anyway. Just buckle up and enjoy the ride...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

brown, so Snyder is gonna put in a new offensive system?? Really?

So essentially, you're advocating for the team to continue on the process that its been on, new coach every what 2 seasons, new offensive system with every coach...so you don't want to see them improve, but rather stick with the status quo of what they've been doing.

Nice....I like it.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Devo,

While I fully admit ARE has not had a stellar return record here, you gotta remember he's not the only one on that team. He RARELY gets a chance to take a step without having to ditch someone. How 'bout some STeam blocking?! ugh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this is a team sport and I know it takes 11 players to run a play successfully, but I somehow remember Santana Moss taking one to the house with little or no blocking. I'm not asking for Hester like returns, just no negative yards or leaving yards on the field.

Posted by: Devo2 | August 19, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I think that everyone gets so spoiled by the 'one piece away from glory' mentality that they underestimate the amount of work (and re-work) that this team needed. You have to give credit to either Zorn or Cerrato for the overhaul. I'm going with Zorn.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 19, 2009 9:23 AM

Nobody buys into that mentality except for Snyder and Cerrato (and apparently, T_E). This team annually fools itself into thinking that adding Albert Haynesworth or Jay Cutler or Lance Briggs will magically make them a Super Bowl contender, regardless of how bad they were the year before. What's lost on this team is that smart teams don't "overhaul" anything. They build it gradually and allow it to grow into a contender.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the "run sideways, stop, run the other way, stop, spin, fall down" 2 yard return needs to go.

Posted by: countystyle | August 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I *heart* Jim Zen.

Any talk of firing him (after one season) is not only idiotic, in terms of what ails this football team, but make me really, really sad, and mad.

Sad and mad.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 19, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"They build it gradually and allow it to grow into a contender"


By that very definition, don't you contradict yourself in stating you want Zorn fired"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

brown, so Snyder is gonna put in a new offensive system?? Really?

So essentially, you're advocating for the team to continue on the process that its been on, new coach every what 2 seasons, new offensive system with every coach...so you don't want to see them improve, but rather stick with the status quo of what they've been doing.

Nice....I like it.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:40 AM

No, I advocate what is necessary and Snyder will never do...recuse himself from the football operations, hand it over to someone who is better known for his football acumen than his racquetball skills and let HIM hire a qualified coach to lead the team. Right now Snyder undermines everything and there's not much that can be done about that.

All I said is that Zorn is a bad hire. So hire a new coach, keep the old one, hell...hire two or 3 to do the same job. You could get Lombardi in his prime or the current Belichick...this team will still lose.

Depressing but true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"this team will still lose"

Again, all I'm saying is that you contradict yourself when you say build it gradually, allow it to grow, then follow that up by saying that you want zorn fired.

Same arguement applied with the rookie wr/te. Now stay with me on this one....before we label them as busts, and cut them, lets try and DEVELOP them, and see what they can do....same thing applies with the team in 2009. Lets let them play some games, some you know, regular season games....then based on the outcomes, lets pass judgement....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

All I said is that Zorn is a bad hire. So hire a new coach, keep the old one, hell...hire two or 3 to do the same job. You could get Lombardi in his prime or the current Belichick...this team will still lose.

Depressing but true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse
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But... if... the coach doesn't affect the outcome (as you propose), then hiring Zorn cannot be quantified as positive or negative.

Ostensibly hiring Zorn was better than hiring me as HC, but under your hypothesis the results would not change.

I think there is some logic on vacation in Hawaii

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 19, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Before we get too down on Zorn, let's consider the following:

Schottenheimer's 1st season as HC: 8-8

Spurrier's 1st season as HC: 7-9

Gibbs 2.0 1st season as HC: 6-10

JZ first season as HC: 8-8

It would appear that Jim Zorn is tied for 1st place as the most successful first year head coach of the Skins in the Snyder era.


Posted by: p1funk | August 19, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"They build it gradually and allow it to grow into a contender"


By that very definition, don't you contradict yourself in stating you want Zorn fired"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 9:47 AM


Not if you read the first part of my post.

This franchise needs to clean house. Start over. Then and only then am I on board with a rebuilding effort. Giving that task to the same f*ck-ups that screwed the thing up to begin with isn't rebuilding...it's a mulligan. New GM, new coach, and new players (where necessary). Then you exhibit the patience required to make that work.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood’s three step approach to blogging on RI:

1. Throw out any random, transparently absurd statement you think of: “eveyone else in the league considers Grimm a solid HC candidate”

2. When someone points out that the two teams that interviewed him hired someone else and that 15 other teams with openings didn’t even interview him, don’t give up:

a. Obfuscate “I seem to remember him being some people's short lists.”

b. Change the subject “People have been projecting the same of Mike Singletary”

c. Attack the ‘Skins some more “stop thinking Grimm isn't a good HC prospect because the Skins didn't interview him. If anything, that makes him MORE appealing to other teams...”

3. When someone challenges your logic (or lack thereof) hit ‘em with your girlie-slap insults. “you're dumber than I give you credit for. … But I forgot who I'm talking to...the guy who loves to argue for the sake of arguing.”

Hey, Blahblahblawood, can I make a suggestion? When you’re in a hole, stop digging. After #2 say something like “Maybe I overstated it. I think he’ll be a good HC if he gets the chance because...” Or simply “agree to disagree.”

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 19, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

It would appear that Jim Zorn is tied for 1st place as the most successful first year head coach of the Skins in the Snyder era.

Posted by: p1funk | August 19, 2009 9:57 AM


I don't hate that Zorn went 8-8...that's what I predicted for the team last year anyway. It's HOW he got to 8-8. If a team goes 2-6 down the stretch, that's regression. His team got worse as the year went along. You can blame injuries or JC all you want, we've seen teams do much better with much less.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm pulling for Zorn, he's our coach. I'm just not a fan. I thought Robiskie should have gotten a longer shot. I thought they should have promoted Lewis (not that he's shown great success...). And for some odd reason I wanted them to pull Art Shell out of retirement a few years back.

I get no inkling from the FO that they'll let Zorn go beyond this year w/o two playoff wins. He CAN do it... the tools are there... but WILL he?.. not so sure.

And Chia - how do you Pwn me by agreeing w/ me... ?! Now, stop huffing paint. lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"This franchise needs to clean house. Start over. Then and only then am I on board with a rebuilding effort"

Hasn't the team spend the greater part of the last 15 years doing that very thing??

And lets be honest, the only way that your statement is true, is if they hire Grimm. Anyone else and its just lather, rinse, repeat on your part.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Blahblahblawood, can I make a suggestion? When you’re in a hole, stop digging. After #2 say something like “Maybe I overstated it. I think he’ll be a good HC if he gets the chance because...” Or simply “agree to disagree.”


Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 19, 2009 9:59 AM


Sure. Suggest away. So long as you agree to actually blog on a subject instead of nitpicking everyone elses posts or just starting arguments for the sake of arguing. If you disagree that Zorn isn't the right coach for the Skins, then fine. If you don't think Grimm is a quality head coach, then fine. Then state that. Lay off the name calling and state an f-ing opinion without being such a preening schmo about it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

TE you are so past wrong about Russ Grimm from the last thread its insane. First of all the dude is crazy accomplished as a player and coach. Don't believe me? Ask Joe Gibbs, Bill Cowher and Ken Wisenhunt. Let me think do I trust their football acumen over yours.....?

Some facts to shut your annoying azz up. Jets had him on short list last season:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/01/05/2009-01-05_cardinals_assistant_head_coach_russ_grim.html

From wikipedia:

In 2004, after the Chicago Bears fired Dick Jauron, Bears management considered Grimm as a top candidate for the job. The job eventually went to then St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator Lovie Smith.

Some facts about was he has done with Cardinals...I repeat THE CARDINALS!

"In his first season in Arizona, his offensive line allowed only 24 sacks, 6th best in the NFL and the fewest given up by the Cardinals since 1978 with 22. Grimm’s offensive line also paved the way for running back Edgerrin James to rush for 1,222 yards, the fifth best total in team history. The Cardinals offense finished with the 5th best passing attack in the NFL and threw for a team record 32 touchdowns."

Superbowls player/coach: 6 appearances, 4 rings.

As much as I sacrifice chickens nightly in hopes he will be Skins head coach, I agree its not happening. But that doesn't make him a legit HC option in the NFL.

When he took over the Cardinals O-line they were in shambles...2 years later...SB. But yeah he sucks as a coach.

And you bash Marty constantly, but since he fired him (more about bringing in his own staff, not an indictment) that says he can't coach? Nice circular reasoning there.

And also why would any Redskins fan NOT REP RUSS GRIMM!!!!!!

Its like you take pleasure in bashing all things that actually make being a Skins fan proud.

Your a witty and nice dude, a valued RI poster (i guess..) but honestly I value almost nothing you say about football or the skins.

Getting a HC job is an elusive thing based on whims, and circumstances outside of coaches control. Singletary had to get his job from a midseason firing. Maybe Grimm is a bad interview. You simply don't know enough to say that b/c he hasn't gotten a few jobs he wouldn't be a good coach.

jeesh...

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

"I get no inkling from the FO that they'll let Zorn go beyond this year w/o two playoff wins"

The FO has said nothing to this regard, in fact they've said nothing PERIOD, how did you come up with such randomness??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Agreed(ish) on OSackPo, but if the coarch gives you the green light... that's on him, not the guy wanking it to his fantasy draft team...

I'm sure TheDanny would have traded away some future pics for some slightly overrated Vet, instead of BMW...

Whatever, it's all moot, and mute, too! After all, Fred's Moot...wait, no he isn't.

[passing brown paper bag to Chia]

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

correction:

"But that doesn't make him NOT a legit HC option in the NFL.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Hasn't the team spend the greater part of the last 15 years doing that very thing??

And lets be honest, the only way that your statement is true, is if they hire Grimm. Anyone else and its just lather, rinse, repeat on your part.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:06 AM

Don't count the pre-Snyder era. That was basically all Norv, not a lot of turnover for the most part.

And even if they got Grimm I would still want them to clean house. But Grimm has been a part of a team that changed a culture of losing and would be FAR more prepared for that effort than Zorn will ever be.

But I'm not arguing for Grimm anymore. It'll never happen with this owner and @sshats like T_E would rather discuss the semantics of my argument instead of the spirit of it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Grimm would have been so money with this team with CP26 over the last few years, the man know how to coach up a run game, steelers superbowl, cardinals superbowl run.

Posted by: Stu27 | August 19, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't hate that Zorn went 8-8...that's what I predicted for the team last year anyway. It's HOW he got to 8-8. If a team goes 2-6 down the stretch, that's regression. His team got worse as the year went along. You can blame injuries or JC all you want, we've seen teams do much better with much less.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse


First year head coach hits a rough patch in 2nd half of the season, and still ends up 8-8. Fire him. Yeah, that's a sensible course of action.

If Brian Orakpo starts strong this year, and then has stretch of games where he struggles, the sensible course of action would be to cut him in the offseason.

Posted by: p1funk | August 19, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Some facts to shut your annoying azz up. Jets had him on short list last season:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2009/01/05/2009-01-05_cardinals_assistant_head_coach_russ_grim.html

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009

Thanks, cl. So what you're telling me is that he's now been interviewed for three head coaching jobs and turned down for all three. And that I was wrong when I posted that 15 teams didn't even interview him. It was only 14 that didn't interview him. I stand corrected.

And you take this as proof that, as Blahblahblahwood put it "eveyone else in the league considers Grimm a solid HC candidate".

Agree to disagree.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 19, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Oh and for the record TE, Grimm left the staff on his own accord after the Norv firing season b/c of his distaste on ow it was handled. Marty did not fire him when he got hired.

This fact here also probably shows why Grimm as HC wont happen. I don't think Grimm/Snyder get along due to coach solidarity issues from midseason Norv firing. (Conjecture alert)

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

uh.. right beaner, if they are saying NOTHING, then I get NO indication from them about keeping him... how is that not logical?..hmm.

Onion otherhand, if they're saying "Zorn's our guy - he needs to develop" them I'm all like "that's our coarch"... ;]

And cL - actual hard evidence w/ citation?! Quit setting the bar so high! Us slackers prefer easily manipulated anecdotal references!!

Hail Russ Grimm!

Listening Assignment - still diggin that whole Polvo "In Prism" album. You can stream the whole thing legally w/o a login on the Merge Records website www.mergerecords.com AWESMOE!

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, CL. I understand T_E taking me on about Orakpo or Haynesworth or any anti-Snyder rhetoric I may throw out there, but challenging me on Grimm made me lose what little respect I have for the guy.

But you're right...we'll likely never see the day he's introduced as Head Coach.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 19, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

TE I will agree that you know pretty much nothing.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

so them saying nothing AUTOMATICALLY means what dik wants it to mean, which is that he has to win 2 playoff games, otherwise he's DUN.....I was unaware of this....I stand corrected...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

TE ow about 2009 Pro Football Weekly saying he hasn't yet gotten job but remeains strong canidate:

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/06/10/grimm-parlays-achievements-as-player-into-successf

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"I get no inkling from the FO that they'll let Zorn go beyond this year w/o two playoff wins"

The FO has said nothing to this regard, in fact they've said nothing PERIOD, how did you come up with such randomness??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse
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It's true that the FO has not said anything specifically, but I think history bears out the original statement.

- Norv. There isn't a person in here who thinks handing Norv his walking papers was not (a) justified, and (b) overdue (notwithstanding the year he FINALLY managed to get us to the playoffs)

- Marty. This could go as a negative on Danny's resume. Marty wanted too much control, but I believe Marty would have gotten us on the right long term track.

- Spurrier. Danny wanted him back for season 3 and wanted to focus on improving the D. Spurrier walked.

- Gibbs. Danny wanted him back for season 5 and wanted to focus on improving the O. Gibbs walked.

- Zorn. Unless Zorn just screws the pooch here, I don't see Danny running him outta town next year. even if Cowher or Shanahan are available.

Point is, Snidely is many things, but fast with the coach broom he is not.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | August 19, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

P1, there's ample evidence, besides the record, to can an HC that wasn't even qualified for the job in the first place.

You like him, fine. You want to wait it out beyond a non-winning season, fine. I don't think the FO is with you there... but they haven't said ;]

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

From Bill Cowher around time he was up for Jets job where he says Grimm TURNED DOWN BEARS JOB.

"Meanwhile, Cowher said he thinks his former assistant, Russ Grimm, will make for a good head coach. He said Grimm turned down a chance to take the Bears job that went to Lovie Smith several years ago because he didn't feel he was ready.

Cowher said that after going through the interview process a few times (Grimm also interviewed for the Steelers and Cardinals jobs), Grimm is more ready than ever to be a head coach and is a blue-collar guy ``fans can very easily identify with.''

``I think Russ had a chance to sit back and absorb a lot of things, look at it from a different perspective,'' said Cowher, referring to how Grimm has gotten the opportunity to see how head coaches deal with the players, media and other aspects of the job.

``I think he's a guy the players will relate to. I think he has a great understanding of the offense and I think he has enough of an understanding of the defensive side."

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

TE I will agree that you know pretty much nothing.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:19 AM

You guys are really rough with your girlie-slap insults this morning. You eat a big bowl of Spunkies, or what? Only one you haven't reeled out yet, cl, is "Full 'tard." Come on, hit me with your best shot.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 19, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 19, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

TE the hits keep on coming:

http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2006/01/espncoms_michael_smith_sources.html

He didnt get Detroit job b/c Millen wasnt willing to wait through Steelers SB run. If you pay any attention to the NFL and not endlessly thinking of lame jokes you will notice that asst coaches who are deep in playoffs are hamstrung in getting jobs with teams that want quick process, so much so that NFL tweaked the rules! Also here is a top NFL journalist naming him as short list canidate.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 19, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Consistentcy and stability in the coaching staff make for the greatest success in the NFL. Look at Tenn, Pitt, Phil & NE.

It makes sense to give zorn his three years to see what he makes of the team. If we do not have a deep run ino the playoffs by then, we have justification for dismissal.

The musical chair of coaching is not going to get us anywhere quickly.

As for last season, I give Zorn 40% of the blame for the 2-6 finish. He failed to adapt to the personnel he had left. The other 60% goes to the FO for not having good OL backups in place.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 19, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

and beep beep

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 19, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Beaner - the 2 PO win scenario is entirely my supposition, obviously. I would easily concede a playoff appearance could keep his job. Maybe even a winning season only, though I sincerely believe that's a stretch.

However, since it's all conjecture, let me share my logic: Zorn and Soup are tied together in performance as evidenced in offseason action. Soup has been on teams with a playoff win, though I don't believe HE has won two consecutive. For the FO to accept his progression, he would need two wins. And as goes Soup, so goes Zorn. That, I believe, the FO has indicated by leaving Zorn out of the QB chase in the offseason.

Granted, my opinion only, but I believe the logic is sound enough. Happy to consider other scenarios - but all I hear is how I'm wrong, with no other scenario to fill that void. Prognosticate, my friend.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

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