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Countdown to Kickoff

Finally, it's game day. It seemed like a really long week, even though it was a little shorter with the Sunday night game. Our crew is on the ground in Seattle and there were no emergency calls for bail, so the scribes' night out with blogulars Nate, Diddy and Freak seems to have gone quietly. I understand from the Twitter feed, though, that there was a spirited debate on the merits of Michael Jackson's "Thriller" and perhaps a little dancing.

We'll be passing along updates on Clinton Portis' pregame workouts (as soon as they, you know, actually happen) and Jasno's take on whether Portis will play. And there'll be inactives up here, on Twitter and on the mobile alerts (text REDSKINS to WPOST [97678]) around 90 minutes before kickoff. We'll also have Freak (spacechief), Nate and Diddy (I believe he'll be there...) twittering from the game. (I refuse to say "tweeting.")

Les Carpenter, who wrote about the Seahawks for the Seattle Times, has been in the Pacific Northwest for the last couple of days and checked in with Bill Lazor (the Skins' former QB coach who now does the same job for Seattle, since Jim Zorn left). Both Lazor and Zorn are in an interesting spot, coaching against their former QBs.

Today, Les writes about Zorn's role in the development of Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace.

"I never felt Jim got any credit," [Hasselbeck] said of his career resurgence late in 2002, something for which head coach Mike Holmgren has been widely praised. "He was buried around these big-name coaches and good coaches. We had some coaches who had Super Bowl rings and he was the new guy, the guy who put in weird stuff and rode his bike to work."

In Seattle, where the forecast calls for a great day (temps in the upper 40s-low 50s with little chance of rain; make those lattes iced, please), Jose Miguel Romero writes in the Seattle Times that Holmgren -- counting down his last six games as Seahawks coach -- is sticking with the players who've brought him success there.

"We're trying to finish up here strong and win some down the stretch," Holmgren said. "To do that, you play with the guys who should be playing. If there's an injury or something, you can go with a younger guy and take a look, but really once you start doing that you are really planning for next year. And I don't think that's real fair to the guys who are still going real hard this year."

See you back up here around 12:30; we'll be BOGO on the early games.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 23, 2008; 8:34 AM ET
 
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Our crew is on the ground in Seattle and there were no emergency calls for bail...

Maybe the authorities took their cell phones, Cindy.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The authorities wouldn't do that, would they? Nah....

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Seattle OUGHT to be playing for next year. By that, I mean giving those younger players some time to show what they can do, and if they will be part of the answer.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 23, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | November 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

When you send us the text messages, do not add a period immediately after WP web address (it is usually the last item in the sentence, thus the period), it prevents us from taping on it and using it as a link and go directly to the article you're referencing from our phone. Thanks!

Posted by: OBXJim | November 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, obx! Will do.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Funny stuff Cyn.

HTTR

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 23, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

NATE may be holding them hostage "Sleepless in Seattle".... We could use some PDX luck out there today... I would really like a Win, but a double digit win would be nice for once...

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Interesting take on Jim Schwartz, the Titans' defensive coordinator, Gtown grad and possible Gibbs replacement in the pre-Zornian era in the NY Times.
He's a huge numbers geek, er, cruncher and has compiled the stats to back his argument that good teams fumble just as often as bad ones.
More interestingly and to the point on the Skins and their lack of a pass rush, he contends that, the story says, "good teams sack the quarterback, and forcing a quarterback to fumble is a lot easier than taking the ball from a running back or a wide receiver."
Now, if I had Albert Haynesworth, I'd probably be inclined to say that, too. I'd also be more inclined to buy his argument if his D weren't ranked two spots behind a certain other D, one that doesn't pressure the QB. Thoughts?

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If you're saying, Michael B. Clegg, that it's the time of year for the Skins to start opening up comfy margins against certain victory-challenged teams, I'm with you. It's all about identity now.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I can totally see Nate doing the Thriller dance. LMAO. I ready for Kelly to do this thing today.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It's hard to think on Sunday morning, Cindy.

Are you saying Schwartz's fumble arguments are inconsistent?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I know we have some RI brethren from the great Seattle area, but JLAC makes it sound like South Beach...

I've picked a couple of hoochies up at Starbucks though.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article Cindy. I'll be interested to see if the skins become more agressive in going after the QB now that they have some good depth at the CB position.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Greetings everyone. We did a stellar dinner at my new favorite restaurant in town, some drinks at my favorite bar, and called it an early night (we are old men, after all). Certainly nothing like the playoff game :-)

Against my better judgement, I'll be tailgating today. My usual routine is to start walking down to Qwest at 12:50. That gets me to the North Gate at 1 on the nose and leaves me plenty of time to clear security and grab a shot of tequila.

Today, it appears it all starts at 10am.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

We did a stellar dinner at my new favorite restaurant in town, some drinks at my favorite bar, and called it an early night (we are old men, after all).

Posted by: PDiddy | November 23, 2008 10:46 AM

Well, there's a three-hour time difference so for Jasno, your early night would be his late night. Dude will sleep through the game today, so when the 'Skins light up the Chickenhawks, he'll totally miss it. Tomorrow's article will be about how much we miss Leigh Torrence.

And your new favorite restaurant? Red Lobster or Olive Garden? If you say Olive Garden, I'm selling my stock tomorrow. Jasno would bankrupt Olive Garden with his endless bowl of pasta.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

My comment would be much brighter if it wasn't for thousands of slaves that were killed on this very day in WV in 1951. May god bless the skins today, and all of the white people around the country be forgiven for slavery.

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one looking forward to the return of 24 tonight?

Yes I know it is game day but hell we have 5 hours to get ready.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Warren Sapp said JT55 told him that Blatche benched him and he wouldn't let him and Carter switch sides according to match ups and dosen't appear too happy......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

God, I love Olive Garden. Haven't been there in something like 17 years, but those breadsticks...mmmmm.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A spirited debate on the relative merits of "Off the Wall" and "Thriller"... we all agreed that they're both great records, but Jasno was insistent that "Off the Wall" is superior...

Maybe there was a dance-like moment, but nothing I (or anyone else) would describe as "dancing."

Heading out for bacon pancakes and then down to the stadium area.

Hail to 'em.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

jm, I'm excited for the return of both #24 and 24 :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | November 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Blatche needs to try anything at this point and stop being so dang stubborn... why not mix em up mid game... See what happens??? Maybe they find a way to double the sack total to 3.3333333333333.... just plain disgusting actually!!!!1

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Yes, let's blame the guy whose unit allowed only 14 points. Blache isn't the problem. Whatever he's doing seems to be working. The offense, as usual, is the issue.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I have to say...Sapp is not the most honest person...but that seems like a duh...he hasn't started all year.

Posted by: svxcountry1 | November 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

DIDDY,

I certainly agree that Blatche is doing an excellent job, and I don't disagree, but we could be quite a bit better up front and I'd try anything at this point to get some sacks.... Where's Chris Wilson??? He always creates pass rush. I was crying to whole pokes game b/c of it

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I love Blache, and think he is doing a great job. But, having said that, I would think that our D would be better yet if JT were used as a LB on longer plays, such as 2nd and 8+, or 3rd and 6+. Keep Demetric Evans in at DE on 1st & 2nd downs, bring Wilson at DE on 3rd down, have HB Blades in at LB on 1st downs and when JT isn't in.

Then about half of the time that JT is in, we blitz him.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

JT55 only played on passing downs the last game and I think that was what he was refering to.

Sapp said that was the reason we couldn't stop Marion Barber....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, I saw JT55 play standing up a few times where he would blitz in...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd also be more inclined to buy his argument if his D weren't ranked two spots behind a certain other D, one that doesn't pressure the QB. Thoughts?
Posted by: CindyBoren

Cindy, good to see you BYGO.

Here's a thought, or two. The only defensive stat that means anything is points allowed.
Our beloved Maroon and Black have given up 18.2 ppg. 7th in the league.

Conversely, the only offensive stat that matters is points scored where we are at 18.1

Gulp...

The real problem is that this defense doesn't change games. Very few sacks, very few turnovers, no points scored.


Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hola, Diddy....Glad to see you took it easy on the guyz.
As for that Blache/JT55 and switching off...we reported that a while ago...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/08/greg_blache_to_jason_taylor_ob.html

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Portis Power Rangers are go!!

Posted by: frak | November 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Mortensen just said CP is feeling much better than the last game according to team sources. Need a big day out of him like we were getting during that nice stretch earlier this year.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Didja see that Chris Horton is blogging? From "Ashford, Va." Rookie mistake.

http://www.yardbarker.com/chrishorton

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

***Fantasy geek question: Start Donnie Avery at home(in the dome) against the bears, or Chris Chambers at home in San Diego against the Colts?***

Its put up or shut up time for the Redskins. Simply, this is a game that a team aspiring to be what the Redskins are aspiring to be must win. I think they will get it done. Jasno's "give Hasselbeck time and he will kill you" analysis is flawed in that a) Hasselbeck isn't Romo, and more importantly, b) the Hawk receivers are NOT the Poke receivers and most importantly, c) the Hawks o line, D front 7, and RB are NOT of the caliber of the Pokes.

Redskins play well, they win going away; if the Redksins lose, its on them and their mistakes, not because of anything the Hawks will have done to take the game from the Skins.

Great barometer and must win game for the Redskins.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Had we beat the Rams and the girls last game, and played better against the browns, lions and pittsburg these concerns would not be voiced.

If the offense averaged 24 points per game with this defense, the lack of sacks would not be an issue. Blache is doing a great job with the talent he has (especially up front) and is being challenged on lack of sacks on a team that is ranked #4 in the league. The offense needs to hold up their part and start playing to win games instead of playing not to lose games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, i think htat Zorn is attempting to win the game vice losing, but is being frustrated by the inability of his oline to consistently passblock. He wants to go down the field, and has the routes called, but JC is seldom getting the requisite time to allow the play to fully develop. Speciffically to last week, I also noticed a droppoff when ARE went down w/ his ankle and Thrash came in. Thomas and Moss also dropped KEY KEY KEY balls. In short, the Players need to make plays when Zorn is enabling them to make them. From my couch, Zorn is calling plays to win the game.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Actually, here is Chris Horton's website.

http://www.predator48.com/index.php?page_id=10

Posted by: charley42 | November 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

All of your comments are right to the point.
But I think the offense over-achieved in the 4 game win streak. Since then, they have only scored 20+ points once, against Detroit, and are 2-3.

We all knew, and were told repeatedly, that Zorn's offense would take at least two years to install and at least two years for JC to be comfortable running it.
Those early wins belied the difficulty of the transition.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | November 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Gene Wang (Mr. Fantasy) sez start Chambers, which was what I'd say, too, so that does it. (Altho I don't play fantasy.)

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Forget the Pitt game -- just not a good matchup when we were exhausted.
The CowPies decided to pressure to stuff the run and get JC uncomfortable and see if that would be enough to win. It was.
Seahawks don't have the same ability to apply pressure, and JC doesn't need that much more time to be effective. And if he starts being effective, the running game kicks in. And if the running game can kick in, the oline will 'return to form'.
Here's hoping.

Posted by: daggar | November 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Kelly will go for 100 yards and 1 TD today.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network reports Portis to start...so I've heard second-hand.

Posted by: svxcountry1 | November 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be a good day. 24 returns tonight, CP starts, Kelly gets his first TD, Skins win by 14, and most important of all they finally had Veggie hot dogs at the store today.

JM220

OK, my that last one was just important to me. lol

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I get 49ers at Pokes, Jets at Titans, and then Gints at Zona late Fox game. Great. NOT.

I'll be at the bar later for the Skins obviously, LOL.

PS GO Niners!!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

hey losers


any link to watch the game online today?


:(

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

pokes wearing their throwbacks. Hope Iron MIke dials up 9 man all out blitz on 2nd down and toallya anihilates Tony boy.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Veggie hot dogs?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd be surprised if Portis didn't start.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Veggie hot dogs?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

Yes made from Soy Bean. Really good stuff.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

TB/Dallas losing. Good stuff early

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I was watching CBS NFL Today earlier, and Shannon Sharpe was defending Donovan McNabb's ignorance of the tie rule by saying people didn't make as much of a big deal last year when Joe Gibbs called two consecutive timeouts.

What fokken planet does that meathead live on? Gibbs was excoriated (and rightfully so) in both the local and national media for that flub.

I'm sick to death of people defending McNabb by inferring he's somehow a "victim" of a media conspiracy.

The dude has never been able to finish, not in the Super Bowl, not in multiple NFC Championship games, yet he has a contingent out there that cry foul (and seem to suggest racism is at play) every time he refuses to OWN his actions.

He should have known the rule.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

San Francisco doesn't seem to have a problem throwing deep on Dallas. They can't punch it in from inside the 5 yard line on two chances. They have 154 yards of offense but to Dallas' 25; yet they've had to kick field goals....Maybe Zorn should tape this game for future reference...

Posted by: Schroeder12 | November 23, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon and Kornheiser both hammered McNabb for not knowing the rule and, yeah, he should have. But he also got no help from the coaches. For instance, I'm an editor and when there's a tricky name or fact that writers filing on a tight deadline might mess up, I'll shoot them and the copy desk a reminder before the game. I think one of the coaches should have checked down the basics, especially when he saw the lack of urgency unfolding there, and reminded McNabb.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you on this one Cyn

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, OK. I don't know, maybe it's me.

Maybe I have no life, but I have known the NFL tie procedure since 1978 (I was 12) when I first really started understanding the game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I might be biased, but I think not knowing the tie game rule is a bit more ridiculous than not knowing the two timeout rule. Can you ever remember two timeouts happening before Gibbs? Whereas everytime you look at standings, there is a slot for ties, not to mention tiebreaker rules at the end of the season always mention "XXX Loss or TIE", etc.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm an editor and when there's a tricky name or fact that writers filing on a tight deadline might mess up, I'll shoot them and the copy desk a reminder before the game.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 1:41 PM

You know, you could have been a bit more proactive with McNabb and shot him, too. Dude's playing abain today and it doesn't look like you even shot him this week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

by the by, I'm watching the Iggles right now, and McNabb has already turned it over twice.

Anyways, what's the 411 on Portis? Will he play?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Can you ever remember two timeouts happening before Gibbs?

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 23, 2008 1:49 PM

I think the reason for this is that everyone but Gibbs (even McNabb) knew the rule.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Not the best comparison Cindy. There has never been more than one overtime period in the regular season in the last 4 decades (not old enough to go further), yet there have been several ties in that same time period.

McNabb should have known, but yes, Reid should have been on his a$$ about the sense of urgency.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought: WHO GIVES A RIP ABOUT MCNABB AND WHAT HE DOES OR DOESN'T KNOW????

Posted by: Schroeder12 | November 23, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the Romo to T.O. TD pass; nice tackling attempt by Nate Clements.

He must have been distracted by counting all the zeros at the end of his massive contract.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, what's the 411 on Portis? Will he play?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:49 PM

Jay Glazer said on the Fox Pre-Game show that he will play. Said he participated fully in the walk-through yesterday. Hope he wasn't out wilding last night with Nate, Diddy, Freak, and Jasno.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Andy Reid was too busy eating a sandwich between the 4Q and OT to remind McNabb.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Right there with you MrRedskin21. I also knew the rule since its inception.

Hey, its not like its MCNABB'S JOB or anything. What a joke.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Does Gus Frerrote know that a certain wall in the Meadowlands can cause a tie??? Was he asked after the game??

NOPE, he was still sleeping from the hit!

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | November 23, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Andy Reid was too busy eating a sandwich between the 4Q and OT to remind McNabb.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | November 23, 2008 1:54 PM

Sandwich? Reid? Dude ate the whole lunch truck.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What a drop from TO. LOL funny!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I don't "care" what McNabb knows or doesn't know.

I was pointing out Shannon Sharpe's ludicrous defense of McNabb.

Apparently when Donovan screws up, you have to be careful how you react to it, because it's all about the color of his skin rather than the fact that he's pulled a bonehead move.

Funny, but I don't recall anyone having to use that crutch when defending D. WIlliams, Warren Moon, or in contemporary times, Jason Campbell.

In some ways, Rush Limbaugh's ignorant comments re McNabb was the best thing to happen to him, because it seems to have provided him and his supporters with a convenient excuse whenever someone calls him out for his actions.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

But you've got to have your people prepared, Curzon. Especially when you see that they are playing as if they're suspended in aspic.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

They just showed a highlight on the Jets-Titans of TO catching one for a TD.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 23, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The even more incredibly funny part re the McNabb idiocy fiasco, is that he compared a regular season game ending in a tie to the playoffs and the superbowl in his postgame comments. Hahahahahaha. That is some seriously stupid caca.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | November 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

C'mon you guys,

every joe shmo fan knows that during the regular seaason all OT games end after 1 period. No sudden death until the playoffs.

I'm hitting a local sports bar where I'm gonna be outnumbered by gints fans, but nevertheless will be proudly sporting the maroon and black! I'm fired up for this one. Hope the veterans feel the need to give a little payback for the past two playoff losses...C Rogers in particular.
Do you guys think there will be a little extra incentive( it's not like we're playing for our season or anything)?

Posted by: cosomfla | November 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

All right. I got my caffeine finally, so I won't be as grouchy anymore today. :)

t-e, thanks for the info re Portis.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Then I guess the problem there Cindy is that all Reid could think about was the jelly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

T_E, the only game on here this morning is the girls game. The ball TO dropped was the next pass to him after the long TD.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Also, I was still cranky from watching the slaughter of the Terps last night.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start draft chat on here, but if the Redskins are looking to replace Marcus Washington this off season (or just bolster the LB corps), this kid out of Boston College, Mark Herzlich, looks pretty darn good.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

wOULD YOU BE SAYING THAT IF MCNABB WASN'T BLACK ??????????????????????

Posted by: poolman1200000 | November 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Freaking Detroit.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 23, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Especially when you see that they are playing as if they're suspended in aspic.

Posted by: CindyBoren | November 23, 2008 1:59 PM
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A defensive player would have to have pretty big cheeks to make an aspic.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | November 23, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | November 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

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