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Appeals Court Upholds Ruling for Skins

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit today upheld a ruling protecting the Redskins' trademarks and agreeing with the ruling last year by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly that Native American activists had waited too long to challenge the trademarks.

According to Del Quentin Wilber's story, the decision is the latest legal action since the activists first challenged six Redskins' trademarks in 1992.

You can read the full court ruling here.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 15, 2009; 4:16 PM ET
 
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Go Skins.

We can beat the courts, but cant beat the Seahawks?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

We couldn't beat them, so we had them join us...

egh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 15, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This looks kind of amusing ...

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/yearone/

Not as amusing as the name Del Quintin Wilber, but amusing nonetheless.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

D'oh! THAT Michael Baisden on WHUR. Nevermind, I'm an idiot.
I was still confused by that 1st paragraph where you locked your Gucci bag in the car after you were bumping along on the icy road yelling jeezy peezy. Or something.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 4:35 PM

I thought you SHOULD know who I was talking about....

As for the other stuff, don't worry. I was just writing short hand on most of it, so you would have to be imersed InTheKnow to know what I was saying (lol)....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

again, when did this country start letting people sue for being offended?


This country continues to go into the crapper.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And then, just to make a certain blogger stick to evaluating talent and not poll questions...

Will the addition of Albert Haynesworth transform the defensive line into a big-play unit?

By Cindy Boren | May 15, 2009; 10:00 AM ET

Hey, I just caught this. Okay, when it comes to evaluating talent I have to say that no one is more talented than Cindy Boren!

Tomorrow's poll topic:

What would Redskins Insider be without Cindy Boren?

1. Six Flags -- Headed for bankruptcy.
2. The Redskins -- Perpetual mediocrity.
3. Johnny Rocket's -- Several fries short of a Happy Meal.
4. Tom Cruise -- Mission Impossible.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

NFL teams will have nearly $12 million more under the salary cap this season, the final year with one in place unless the league and its players' union can reach a new collective bargaining agreement.

Does this mean that we actually have more money then we thought to use on something useful...or did we already spend it on some kickers and new extra absorbent pads for vinny and danny to use

Posted by: skinsst21 | May 15, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

In 2009, the appeals court agreed with a 2003 trial court decision that the plaintiffs took too long.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

In 2009, the appeals court agreed with a 2003 trial court decision that the plaintiffs took too long.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:42 PM |

Justice delayed is justice denied. Six years Snyder had to wait to see if he still had his copyright. And Dan Snyder is not a patient man.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just caught this. Okay, when it comes to evaluating talent I have to say that no one is more talented than Cindy Boren!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 4:42 PM

t_e_, early bird gets the worm. You, my friend, are the late bird and have to eat it. New thread. Waddya got on appellate litigation?

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

our cap space went up 12 mil?

I say we bring in Brock Lesnar from MMA/formerly of WWE/formerly called WWF, as a Tight End. Imagine the depth and the ratings boost!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Wizards, done, Capitals, done, Orioles, stink, Nationals, stink, Soccer, please, so now it's back to all Redskins all the time. I can live with that!

Posted by: dbrine1261 | May 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"t_e_, early bird gets the worm. You, my friend, are the late bird and have to eat it. New thread. Waddya got on appellate litigation?

Posted by: dcsween"

wait, so the early bird AND the late bird get the worm? Then what's the point of being the early bird?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Waddya got on appellate litigation?

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:45 PM |

I want that talented Cindy Boren to represent me?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I should punch you in the freaking face talent_evaluator. Where do you live?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

There is a difference between getting a worm and having to eat it. If you get it, you can throw it at somebody, put it on their chair before they sit down, sneak it into their coffee, that type of thing. Eating it means you ... you have to eat it ... or something. Umm, never mind.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

wait, so the early bird AND the late bird get the worm? Then what's the point of being the early bird?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:50 PM

Early bird gets salad included as well. And rolls. With butter. For only $7.95. Is that right, t_e?

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Truth, are you and Cindy sittin in a tree or something? This blog is no place for violence (except if its in the heat of passion ... or hilarious).

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"There is a difference between getting a worm and having to eat it. If you get it, you can throw it at somebody, put it on their chair before they sit down, sneak it into their coffee, that type of thing. Eating it means you ... you have to eat it ... or something. Umm, never mind.

Posted by: dcsween"

you said early bird gets the worm and late bird eats it.

What else would the early bird do with the worm other than eat it? A bird can't throw it, a bird doesn't have OPPOSABLE THUMBS my friend. You, sir, are a liar, yet a possible savant.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

How would I sit "in a tree"? Maybe I could sit ON a tree, or ON a tree's branch, but INSIDE a tree? How would I even get there? How would I get out? That makes no sense.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I most definitely am a liar. Not sure about that other thing you said. Wasn't he the gay guy on Melrose Place? If so, thems fightin words (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

So-and-so and so-and-so, sittin' in a tree.
K-I-S-S-I-N-G.
First comes loves.
Then comes marriage.
Then comes so-and-so's progeny in the baby carriage.

Nonsense or not, this is playground banter here. That makes it law. You can't argue with playground banter. [Wait. Can to. Cannot. Can to. Cannot. x -> infinity].

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

again, when did this country start letting people sue for being offended?

This country continues to go into the crapper.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

My uncle is a plumber...I am going to sue you now.

straight cashe homie

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

again, when did this country start letting people sue for being offended?

This country continues to go into the crapper.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

My uncle is a plumber. I am offended by your use of "crapper". I am going to sue you.

Straight Cash Homey

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

According to the law of cL. You CAN do whatever you want....

(I hope he isn't submerssing himself in a bottle of Jack. There's always next year Cl! CAPS forever....)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 15, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Do Skins have an ASSISTANT offensive line coach (or an assistant TO the offensive line coach)? What happens if Joe Bugel does what those guys did in Indianapolis? Or something worse happens, like a punch in the face from Truth for dalliances with Cindy? Does Jansen just become the best paid offensive line coach in the country?

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I should punch you in the freaking face talent_evaluator. Where do you live?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:52 PM |

You know, if I wanted to find out where someone lived, I think I'd go about it in a different way than this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

You know, if I wanted to find out where someone lived, I think I'd go about it in a different way than this.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry T_E, Craigslist is no longer accepting ads for adult services.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"...but INSIDE a tree? How would I even get there? How would I get out?..." --Truth

You're obviously not familiar with 'Rabbit' on the show "My Friends Tigger and Pooh"

Posted by: 4-12 | May 15, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry T_E, Craigslist is no longer accepting ads for adult services.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 5:06 PM |

Man, another racist remark. You're full of them today. Or is this a negative remark? Stop the negative racism. Or the racist negativism.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 15, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Passionate hatred for adult hookers named Craig.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Unless they're soccer fans. Then anything goes.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Of local news interest only ... but DC City Manager (and one of the few really really competent people in DC Govt), Dan Tangherlini, just got nominated for job at the Treasury Dept. Bad for DC, good for Treasury (and him I guess).

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

You can definitely tell its Friday

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I told you the Truth is off his meds today, or, he could be studying for the LSATs or something.

You know he wants nothing to do with anything Insider-ish.

He's gone from outsider to insider to inside-outsider to just as ornery and curmudgeonly as, well, sween, who I think has started drinking already or just ate a happy meal or something....

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

You can definitely tell its Friday

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 15, 2009 5:21 PM

Totally, plus Mr. Slate is stepping up to grab the bird and Fred is getting ready to doff the turtle shell and slide down the dinosaur's tail. This weekend's going to be a a yabba dabba doozy ... I hope.

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

WAIT!!!

Everybody has it wrong. The worm goes to the bottle of mezcal. Then it doesn't matter if you're early or late because the worm is at the bottom of the bottle. When you get to the bottom of the bottle, you won't know what time it is. errr, or something like that, uhh I think. Somebody pass me a lime, por favor.

Neil de Durango

Posted by: neilbourjaily | May 15, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Appeals court decisions = nothing, but both are > than power rankings.

YDD!

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

WOT!?

No poll? What's this shiftless blog coming to? Bah, Action, adventure a Jedi seeks not these! Rap? Bah, Gimme good ol' Rootboy Slim and the Sex Change band ... some Los Lonely Boys, Jimi Hendrix, and the Redskins fight song puhleeze.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Rodney Crowell ... mebbe some really good jive to go with the DC Swing.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I should punch you in the freaking face talent_evaluator. Where do you live?
Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009

Its date night kid. You should go see a nice movie with your mom again. Might get you to chill.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Nonsense or not, this is playground banter here. That makes it law. You can't argue with playground banter. [Wait. Can to. Cannot. Can to. Cannot. x -> infinity].

Posted by: dcsween | May 15, 2009

Playground ode to a pandemic:

Ring around the Rosie,
A pocket full of posies.
Ashes, ashes, we all fall down.


Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

No "hot hookers" on Craig's. I already checked nothin but nothin darn it. Just more of the same Russian Woman scam artist types.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I love it when I get to take over this blog ... as we used to say in Ol Mexico City ... errrrr alt.flame:

'Snuh': A 'snuh' cascade is a virtual grooming ritual in which the participants grunt meaningless monosyllabic words at each other.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Or ... for T_E and Cindy sittin' in that tree?

Redskins Insider is loaded to the gills with senseless tackling dummies who think it's the greatest sort of compliment when you pay any attention to them at all, whether you best them or not. They eat it up.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

OR ... for Boston Bean Boy:

Redskins Insider: Sometime home of one crew or another of lamers and wannabees who aspire to be the next Jason LaCanfora but lack even the dim flicker of sentience needed to qualify.

Posted by: periculum | May 15, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"JLC hates the Source Meter on Redskins Nation because it calls him out profusely, said a person close to the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

...pwnt

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 15, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I can do without the condescension, and would have you preferred you to have answered the criticisms:

The sucky psychic tie-breaker.

The bored fans who have to sing to stay awake.

The boneheads the sport attracts. Sure Football has it’s fair share of drunks in the stands, but futball all but invented goonery. Intellectual pursuit? Yeah.

The constant turnovers.

The faked injuries.

Posted by: TheCork | May 15, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

*************

Here are some thoughts to answer your criticisms (minus condescension).

1) Not sure what a "psychic" tie-breaker is, but if you are referring to penalty shoot-outs, it is simply a necessary, but imperfect solution - kind of like hockey shoot-outs or the sudden death NFL overtime.

2) They sing b/c they're passionate and they care about motivating the team; it's hard to continuously clap for 45 straight minutes.

3)The goonery and gangs associated with futbol, particularly in Europe/England have alot of cultural and socio-political roots and undertones. It's one of the interesting things about soccer that alot of social scientists, and writers have commented on. Whether it is the Celtic-Ranger games and the implications those had for Catholic/Protestant communities, or Real Madrid-Barcelona and the historical issues that the Barcelona region of Spain had with the Spanish crown...from time-to-time this has required attention from law enforcement. (If you want boneheads in sports, go no further than Raider fans).

4)Constant turnovers? C'mon, it is a free flowing sport. The turnovers are no more "constant" than they are in hockey or lacrosse or any other number of free-flowing sports.

5)Faked injuries? Sure, sometimes guys try to draw fouls and penalties. Something akin to LeBron James who grimaces and holds his jaw everytime he drives the lane; or 7-footers who go sprawling to the ground when a 6-foot point guard brushes by them trying to draw a charge, or a WR who hops and dances around wanting a pass interference flag anytime he's covered and doesn't catch the ball - or sometimes holds the CB himself and then acts like he's the one getting held. Any sports with contact fouls will ahve its share of people trying to exploit them.

Any "criticism" that you levy against soccer pretty much has its counterparts in every other sport.

You don't like it. Fine. I don't like cricket. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go off on the lack of strategy or talent that (I think) is required to play the game.

You can do without condescension? Me too, and there is usually alot less of it around the blog when you aren't posting.

Posted by: p1funk | May 15, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

PIE FIGHT!11!

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 15, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'll throw a pie at myself.

Darn you all for getting home from work early on Friday.

Slackers!@
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 15, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

again, when did this country start letting people sue for being offended?

This country continues to go into the crapper.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse


Yeah! I'm gonna sue Bikini Manufacturers for causing skin cancer!!

Actually Truth, it is socially acceptable to offend white people, christian people, and fat people to name a few...

Posted by: Vicc | May 15, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Passionate hatred for adult hookers named Craig.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It was late in the day, and it was late in the week, and tragically, nobody seized the Larry Craig opportunity.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Snyder owns the trademark for the "Warriors", through a defunct arena league team..This will happen eventually, but he probab;ly hasn't got his ducks in a row..I'm partially ambivalent to the name, I like "punk" rock, an originally pejorative term, and don't mind being called a "punk".."Redskins", you can see its got the horrible dirt of the Washington gov't on it (but what doesn't), hopefully the NFL will come clean soon..It's a good punk name..
What was that old Henry Rollins punk band, "SkateNigs"?? No , it was "Nig Heist"!! Or like any name thay is wrong..

Posted by: frak | May 15, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't "Warriors" sort of be like switching from cyanide to hemlock? If you're going to go through all that trouble, I suggest something ironic, like "Butterflies".

Eh, I like anything that infuriates Oh My Goddell. Shouldn't be using the Skins as my evil pawn.

Peri you may be bat guano crazy, but you have good taste in music.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 15, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins name and mascot is so offensive it makes me hide under my desk every day and cry. It hurts so bad that when I get home I can't sleep because all I can think about every second is how demeaned I feel.

You rich, white oppressors need to die! We Indians had no idea how awful you were going to be. I mean, ripping Manhattan off of us for $26? We are going to sue about that too and Obama will side with us because we are a Union! We will get back at you white scum trash and confiscate all of your assets by fiat!

Whitey must suffer the indignity Pocohantas did as she gave an4l sex lovingly to every man off the boat. Of course we don't talk about that. Because native Americans have small peckers and only big white boys can satisfy are hot little babes...

Whatever, we gave you tobacco, you gave us fire water. We have Casinos, and you have cancer...so eff you punk racist HAIL TO THE REDSKINS, HAIL VICTORY, BRAVES ON THE WARPATH, FIGHT FOR OLD DC!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: knight1977 | May 15, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"JLC hates the Source Meter on Redskins Nation because it calls him out profusely, said a person close to the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity"

...pwnt

Posted by: jmicrodoc

If you are going to spend your day posting junkies slang, at least get it correct.

Posted by: toohoes | May 15, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

periculum = meth free baser

Posted by: toohoes | May 15, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Please forgive us, Native Americans of the country. Please do not cast another decade long curse upon our team.
The innocent fans are the ones who suffer from this, not the wealthy owner of the team. As you can see, even though our team has lost many many games in the past 10 years, the team continues to make more and more money. Perhaps if the Great Spirit blesses our team with victories and success on the playing field, then the team will be recognized as a more important part of culture, thus making a name/logo change MORE likely because any person,place, or thing that is discussed on a regular basis in this country eventually gets cleaned up/changed for political correctness. That way, everybody wins.

Posted by: jgarrisn | May 15, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

...because any person,place, or thing that is discussed on a regular basis in this country eventually gets cleaned up/changed for political correctness. That way, everybody wins.

Posted by: jgarrisn | May 15, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse


Lemme add my input if you will:

"because any person,place, or thing that is discussed on a regular basis in this country eventually gets cleaned up/changed for [liberal/conservative] correctness. (whatever is in fashion at the moment; or for the confused, whatever entertainers say, cuz they make the easy money). That way, everybody [loses].

Posted by: Vicc | May 15, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I feel like, if I wanted to, I could put the cabash on this RI blog.

Don't you disagree?

Posted by: Vicc | May 15, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

SAMUELS-CLARK

DOCKERY-D'BATISTE-RINEHART

RABACH-MONTGOMERY-E. WILLIAMS

THOMAS-HEYER

M. WILLIAMS-BRIDGES-JANSEN

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 15, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC gets vacation from his vacation. sweet work if you can find it. either he has a part time job or WAPO pays way too much.

Posted by: toohoes | May 15, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

SAMUELS-CLARK

DOCKERY-D'BATISTE-RINEHART

RABACH-MONTGOMERY-E. WILLIAMS

THOMAS-HEYER

M. WILLIAMS-BRIDGES-JANSEN

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 15, 2009 11:20 PM

LT Samuels
LG Dock
C Jansen
RG Williams
RT Bridges

Who's Montgomery?

Posted by: skinfanman | May 15, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Philadelphia Eagles offered CB Sheldon Brown and a third-round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for WR Anquan Boldin, according to an NFL source.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 15, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Lemme add my input if you will:

"because any person,place, or thing that is discussed on a regular basis in this country eventually gets cleaned up/changed for [liberal/conservative] correctness. (whatever is in fashion at the moment; or for the confused, whatever entertainers say, cuz they make the easy money). That way, everybody [loses].

Posted by: Vicc | May 15, 2009 10:57 PM |
=======================================

Don't quit your day job, Vicc.

We've got enough fake plumber/philosophers already.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 16, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Kent Somers, of The Arizona Republic, reports the Philadelphia Eagles offered CB Sheldon Brown and a third-round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for WR Anquan Boldin, according to an NFL source.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 15, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse


But of course, you see cuz the Washington Redskins own the Philly Eagles cuz they even mo cursed than we is and The 'Skins even provided the blueprint to beating the iggles which always seems to include a backbreaking scramble from our Qb17 on that critical 3rd and long play.

They can't run the football and that won't change this year; Laron Landry may even put McNabb into retirement--a la Lavar Arrington to Aikmen style--I called that sh!t by the way and I've been right before. I've also been wrong before and the iggles have choked their way outta 3, 4, I dunn lost count, NFC championship games. No matter how I approach the situation, the football city of philadelphia will always be a loser!

Posted by: Vicc | May 16, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Don't quit your day job, Vicc.

We've got enough fake plumber/philosophers already.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 16, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse


The feeling is mutual.
~

Posted by: Vicc | May 16, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Whatever, we gave you tobacco, you gave us fire water. We have Casinos, and you have cancer...so eff you punk racist HAIL TO THE REDSKINS, HAIL VICTORY, BRAVES ON THE WARPATH, FIGHT FOR OLD DC!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: knight1977

The comments about "punk" or the Henry Rollins band name were meant as examples of "acceptable" names gone wild..I don't think Henry would approve of "Nig Heist" after temporal process (the wisdom of age), but the process of creation always spills over sometimes into crazy experimental areas that only the process of Time will judge to be "true", whatever that is..

Posted by: frak | May 16, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line coach Joe Bugel raved about the progress Rinehart and Clark have made.

"Those two guys are really coming on," he said. "Chad has changed his body. He's stronger. He anchors better, and he has a better idea of what it takes to succeed in this league. Devin has done a nice job at left tackle against some pretty good pass-rushers.

"We didn't draft a lineman, but I really like the young guys we already had."****

hopefully he's not just a yes man, and he actually feels this way! Go Skins!!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Offensive line coach Joe Bugel raved about the progress Rinehart and Clark have made.

"Those two guys are really coming on," he said. "Chad has changed his body. He's stronger. He anchors better, and he has a better idea of what it takes to succeed in this league. Devin has done a nice job at left tackle against some pretty good pass-rushers.

"We didn't draft a lineman, but I really like the young guys we already had."****

hopefully he's not just a yes man, and he actually feels this way! Go Skins!!


Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 8:54 AM |

I've never really seen Bugel as a yesman.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 16, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I've never really seen Bugel as a yesman.

Posted by: scampbell1975 *****

me either, just didn't know if he had to be one to stay with THIS organization as it is currently organized?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"'ve never really seen Bugel as a yesman.Posted by: scampbell1"

Offensive linemen can come from out of nowhere. Harvey Dahl went undrafted, was waived by Dallas and spent a season in Europe before ending up on the 49ers practice squad. Last season he ends up starting all 16 games on Atlanta's playoff team.

So stranger things can happen, and often have...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 16, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

For all JLC's flaws he will always be a superior human being to Larry Michael. Hell the pimple on my @SS is a better human being then Larry Michael.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 16, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

HERE is a task for y'all:

assume the court orders the Redskins to change their name.......

top 10 alternate names for Redskins

I start withone

The Washington Lacanforas

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 16, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Prejeans?


The Washington Hogs?

The Washington Limbaughs?

The Washington Shortpasses

The Washington Snyders

The Washington Wilbons

The Washington Fedexes

The Washington Beltways

The Washington Bailouts

The Washington Tortures

The Washington WMD's

The Washington Talibans

The Washington AIPACs

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 16, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Lobbyists

The Washington Freeagents

I can see that I'm on a roll here..........

The Washington Injureds

The Washington Replacements

......


......

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 16, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The Washington 4th&longs

The Washington Nosacks

hehehehehehehehehehe


The Washington Valets

The Washington Steakhouses


Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 16, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You missed

The Washington Hamstrings

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 16, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

..and the Washington injured knees

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Free-agent RB Shaun Alexander (Redskins) said during a radio interview with KNBR in San Francisco that he would like to return to play for the Washington Redskins this season but is unsure if the opportunity will come. "I don't know. My agents are talking. I would love to," Alexander said. "I'm training with my new trainers up in New Jersey like I'm going to be their (Redskins) guy and come play with them. Of course they have Clinton (Portis) and Ladell (Betts) and they've brought in a couple of guys. For me its like they know what I can do so they're going to check to see what their guys can do and then after that we'll make a decision."

Posted by: skinfanman | May 16, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

..and the Washington injured knees

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 12:33 PM

Native Americans would complain that it's too close to Wounded Knee.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Crooks... Oh wait, we already have those

How about the Washington Politicians, same thing really.

We'll just change it to the Washington PC, or the Washington Whiners, or the wusbags

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Great White Fathers

Posted by: skinfanman | May 16, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Associated Press reports the Washington Redskins won their legal fight Friday, May 15, with a group of American Indians who contend the football team's trademark is racially offensive. The decision issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington doesn't address the main question of racism at the center of the case. Instead, it upholds the lower court's decision in favor of the football team on a legal technicality. The court agreed that the seven Native Americans waited too long to challenge the trademark first issued in 1967. They initially won - the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office panel canceled the trademarks in 1999 - but they've suffered a series of defeats in the federal courts since then.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Georges.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I feel like, if I wanted to, I could put the cabash on this RI blog.

Don't you disagree?

Posted by: Vicc

Sure you can, Vicc. And then the cabbage. And then the Cribbage. And the clambake. Just don't put the Kibosh on it.

Posted by: TheCork | May 16, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Bring back the name, "Bullets!"

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The LA Times is reporting everybody got a $12 mil boost in the cap Kitty.

Need a Cap Geek to break it down and see if it means anything to the 'skins, or they'll just use it to retire debt for Arch and receiver The Wide, etc.

Posted by: TheCork | May 16, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Man, am I hungover. i was out drinking with Bruce Smith last night.

Posted by: TheCork | May 16, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Bring back the name, "Bullets!"

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 12:54 PM

When the Wizards first moved to DC they were the "Washington Bullets."

There was a lot of pressure to change the name, because it brought to mind violence, death, and crime.

So they changed the name to "The Eastern Seaboard Bullets."

Anton, where's my rim shot?

Posted by: TheCork | May 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Playground ode to a pandemic:

Ring around the Rosie,
A pocket full of posies.
Ashes, ashes, we all fall down.


Posted by: periculum

"Little Miss Muffet
Sat on a tuffet
Eating her curds and whey
Along came a spider
And sat down beside her
And said:
Whatcha got in the bowl, b!tch?"

Posted by: TheCork | May 16, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

..and the Washington injured knees

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 12:33 PM

Native Americans would complain that it's too close to Wounded Knee.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 16, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Classic!

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 16, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

how about

Washington Dominators? Or Super Powers, or redistributors, or capitalists, or not.....

BTW,
why don't the Vikings, or the Irish(Fighting Irish) sue teams about the name?

I think the whole race thing is out of control. BET is cool by me, but why not CET, or WET, or IET, or VET? (Chinese, White, Italian, Vietnamese, etc...) In the name of PC, only fat people and christians and whites are ok to ridicule.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 16, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Cap Space As Of May 15, 2009
Posted by Mike Florio on May 16, 2009, 1:34 p.m. EDT

[Editor’s note: These figures do not include the $947,000 in cap space that the league recently added for each team.]

Tampa Bay Buccaneers $36.6 million.

Kansas City Chiefs $31.1 million.

Green Bay Packers $28.5 million.

San Francisco 49ers $25.4 million.

Philadelphia Eagles $23.1 million.

Atlanta Falcons $19.9 million.

Chicago Bears $19.9 million.

Minnesota Vikings $17.2 million.

Denver Broncos $16.5 million.

Cleveland Browns $16.3 million.

Cincinnati Bengals $15.5 million.

New York Jets $14.1 million.

Jacksonville Jaguars $13.8 million.

Tennessee Titans $13.0 million.

Buffalo Bills $12.8 million.

St. Louis Rams $12.0 million.

Miami Dolphins $11.8 million.

Houston Texans $10.6 million.

Dallas Cowboys $10.3 million.

Oakland Raiders $9.1 million.

San Diego Chargers $8.1 million.

Seattle Seahawks $7.8 million.

Detroit Lions $7.4 million.

Washington Redskins $7.1 million.

Arizona Cardinals $6.9 million.

Indianapolis Colts $6.9 million.

New England Patriots $5.1 million.

Carolina Panthers $4.9 million.

Pittsburgh Steelers $4.7 million.

New Orleans Saints $4.6 million.

New York Giants $4.2 million.

Baltimore Ravens $958,000.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Washington Bullets
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 16, 2009

Personally I prefer "the Specials" also known as "the Two-Tones".

Bullets fever, they got by the iceman and Philly was stunned.

Gotta be a fan from old balteeemore to know that the Bullets need to pee. Too much bilious sputum all around to hear any deafening DC crowd sound.


Posted by: periculum | May 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 16, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I always thought we should name our teams the Bureaucrats. Team motto: "We're Here To Help You."

Posted by: Samson151 | May 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The best part of that second shot is the lone doofus in the AIG shirt. How unfortunate Man United is going to win everything bearing the scarlet letters of global ruin on their greedy chests. Perfection.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

So they add $12 million to the sal cap to make it $128 million.

If you're anybody want got sense you ask, "How come this doesn't happen before free agency started?"

Does an increased cap mean Prince Al remains a terrible Titan?

Maybe.

Does an increased cap mean both Boldin and Darnell Dockett will be both shown the money?

Maybe.

Which teams really benefit form an increased cap?

The ones who don't squander their resources on vets way past their prime--ooops, the Raljon Warriors are indeed guilty of this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 16, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyine else think Florio is a d bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinalicious | May 16, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyine else think Florio is a d bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975

don't know, based on what? he seems to have pretty good sources and has more real news than some other media outlets, ahem.

Posted by: toohoes | May 16, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anyine else think Florio is a d bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975

don't know, based on what? he seems to have pretty good sources and has more real news than some other media outlets, ahem.

Posted by: toohoes | May 16, 2009 7:58 PM

Just seems to me he's on the Skins hater bandwagon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 16, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

From the WaPo Wilber Del Quentin's story: "Attorneys for the National Football League franchise say the name is a sign of honor ... ". What a pile of shti. If that were true then the NFL could have an "All Skins" four team division - the Redskins, in "honor" of Native Americans: a team called the "Black Skins" to "honor" African Americans; a team called the "Brown Skins" to "honor" Hispanic Americans and a team called the "Yellow Skins" to "honor" Asian Americans. Absurd.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 16, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Anton,

I can't agree with you. You don't name a football frachise after a group for whom you have contempt or disdain. I think that at the time the name was chosen the name Redskins had a much different connotation than it does today. But there's a reason that, back in those days, no one named a team after any of the other groups you mentioned but did name a team the Redkins, and it wasn't because were denegrating Native Americans, but because they admired some traits.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 16, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand they're beef.If anything it celebrates the native american presence in this region in the past.The logo is of a distinguished,brave and proud warrior.You dont name a football team after something disparaging like the "terrorists".It's totally a sign of respect for them in contrast.

Posted by: mark65 | May 16, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

skinsfanman:

WIL MONTGOMERY. 4 year veteran center/guard from Va. Tech. Played with CAROLINA and the JETS. 6'3" 310.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 16, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

talentev: " You don't name a football frachise after a group for whom you have contempt or disdain. I think that at the time the name was chosen the name Redskins had a much different connotation than it does today. But there's a reason that, back in those days, no one named a team after any of the other groups you mentioned but did name a team the Redkins, and it wasn't because were denegrating Native Americans, but because they admired some traits."

I imagine it's the traits they admired -- unbridled savagery and ferocity -- that represent a stereotype modern generations would like to get away from.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 16, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm a lifelong fan; grew up in Silver Spring, Bethesda, and McLean, and I am not a Native American.

Any intelligent fan should understand that keeping the name "Redskins" is both offensive and stupid. It is also very small minded for Snyder/Cerrato (and some of the fans posting here) to focus their efforts on clinging on to an controversial name, rather than on winning. Honestly, wouldn't it be better to be named something simple, like "The Steelers" and win consistently? Our organization is already tainted with the reputation of the history of being the last team to allow black players join. To put this in perspective, teams such as the Steelers and even the Cowboys (much as I hate to admit it) have historically been both more progressive and more successful.

Change the name- it just makes us look silly and insecure.

Posted by: supattapone | May 17, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Any intelligent fan should understand that keeping the name "Redskins" is both offensive and stupid. It is also very small minded for Snyder/Cerrato (and some of the fans posting here) to focus their efforts on clinging on to an controversial name, rather than on winning. Honestly, wouldn't it be better to be named something simple, like "The Steelers" and win consistently? Our organization is already tainted with the reputation of the history of being the last team to allow black players join. To put this in perspective, teams such as the Steelers and even the Cowboys (much as I hate to admit it) have historically been both more progressive and more successful.

Posted by: supattapone | May 17, 2009 6:45 AM

1. In today's world, everything is offensive to someone. Exactly how many people are offended by the name "Redskins?" And what, in your mind, is the crucial tipping point where enough people are offended that someone should be forced to change the name of a team?

2. So, the name and victories are "either/or?" What name could we change to that would make us win consistently? A lucky name like the "Steelers" is already taken. Come to think of it, didn't the Redskins win consistently as the Redskins? Maybe it's a lucky name too.

3. You might be the only person in the known universe who is "focussing their efforts on clinging on to an controversial name, rather than on winning." Certainly the owners and managers of the team aren't. And I haven't seen any fans on this blog, other than you, who are. I would even think that the ones who are misguided are the ones who are so obsessed with changing the name that they're losing 17-year-long legal battles.

4. "Our organization" is not "tainted" by any decisions regarding integrating the team. That was a decision of George Preston Marshall, a man who died in 1969. You really can't pin that on Snyder, Cerrato, or anyone else associated with "our organization."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 17, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

"...Change the name- it just makes us look silly and insecure..."


'Silly and insecure'?

C'mon.

Does the average Native American wake up everyday and say, "Hey, I can't find a job, I'm stuck in a crappy house on a reservation, my kid dropped out of middle school, and my wife is a fat drunk."

"But what really upsets me is that the Washington Redskins won't change the name of the team!"

Please: a word's meaning is based on its intent--otherwise, it's just that.

And we all know--without any examples, mind you--that the meaning of a racial epipthet is such that for one person it can arouse anger, and another, it's a term of endearment.

The Washington Reskins don't promote any activity that in any way encourages the diminishment, harassment, or discrimination of native peoples.

In fact, the word 'redskin', despite it's history as a vulgar epipthet, stands as a term of endearment for millions of Americans who are also sensitve to the issues facing the very same people suing the football franchise.

'Silly and insecure'?: no, we are not.

We are the fans of a middling NFL team and like what it's called and think it's silly that some insecure activists want it changed.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 17, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

In fact, I seem to remember Ken Beatrice (forgotten him?) making the point years back that the objections to the team name were less about the team name and more about a way to draw attention to an issue that NA leaders thought was important.

It makes a strange sort of sense. If you're an activist, what do you target? Whatever's most visible. Sports teams at Stanford. Chief Wahoo, or the Tomahawk Chop. The Washington Reskins. Your secondary agenda, of course, may be something more substantial.

I don't have any idea how much of an issue team names are with the tribes or the pueblos themselves. Anybody thought to poll them?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't have any idea how much of an issue team names are with the tribes or the pueblos themselves. Anybody thought to poll them?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 17, 2009 8:43 AM

Why bother? This is the sort of thing where you could rig the poll to get any answer you want.

Consider one poll that asked "Are you offended when a white person refers to you as a redskin?" and another that asked "Name the top three things that are keeping Native Americans in poverty." First poll gets 88% are offended, second poll shows -- as Moe pointed out -- that "Washington Redskins" has zero impact on anyone's well being. Polling is never objective.

Here's a market test. How much would the people who are offended by the name "Redskins" be willing to pay Dan Snyder to buy the trademark from him? Dan's a businessman. He'd sell the name.

What the people are trying to do in court is to steal from Snyder that which he bought from Jack Kent Cook's estate, the name "Redskins."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 17, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

talent: "Why bother? This is the sort of thing where you could rig the poll to get any answer you want."

I realize polls can be rigged. Understand that it's about how ask the question.

I meant 'poll' in the sense of 'ask them.'

Has anybody asked them?

Because I'm getting the feeling that this is a debate spurred by activists. I say that because I've never heard anybody on the pueblos express any opinion one way or the other on the issue. Let me modify that -- I have heard some general disapproval of the term 'Native American'.

"What the people are trying to do in court is to steal from Snyder that which he bought from Jack Kent Cook's estate, the name "Redskins."

So this is all just a trademark dispute? That's interesting. Between a rich guy and who?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 17, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "We are the fans of a middling NFL team and like what it's called and think it's silly that some insecure activists want it changed."

Well, let me ask you a question, Moe: what do you like so much about the name?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 17, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

ok a few more choices:

The Washington Almosts

The Washington Nearlies

The Washington Bareskins

The Washington Traders hehhehehhehehe

The Washington Freeagents

The Washington Thirdandlongs

The Washington Fieldgoals

The Washington Traffickers

The Washington Nosacks

The Washington Eighties


Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 17, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Moe: what do you like so much about the name?"


Which name: redskin or Moe?

I don't like either one.

From what I read in this blog, each is a kind of insult.

And because of family history (my grandmother is a black Seminole) and internet naming politics related to my last name, both apply.

The only other 'mistamoe' I know of is music producer, Timothy Mosley, aka, 'timbaland'.

Presently, I don't know of any redskins. But they'd be hard pressed to demonstrate how the name 'Washington Redskins' offends.

I mean, doesn't an epithet work only when it is used to insult.

The notorious N-word is used by people in multiple Billboard 100 songs to make millions of dollars, and so, let me guess, the NAACP is about to go out and sue rap producers and BET?

Don't think so.

I am well aware of the fact that the word 'redskin' is to be likened to any other racial epipthet folks use to insult.

But what 'Washington Redskins' means relative to the definition the politically correct-addled Native Americans argue in their bi-annual lawsuit is a specious and tangential relationship allowed only because some lawyers want to get paid and the courts say, "Why not?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 17, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "We are the fans of a middling NFL team and like what it's called and think it's silly that some insecure activists want it changed."

So, Moe, what do like about the name 'Redskins'?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 17, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Any feelings on vick to the skins? atl holds his rights so he would have to come through trade or be released by the falcons. If he's in football shape by august, and godell lets him come back, what are you guys feelings on acquiring leavenworth's finest?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 17, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

cp,ladell, and vick as the third runnung back/emergency qb/best athelete on the team if he's in shape. He's got a lot more tread on the tires than our backups as far as running and being hit, plus the 23 mos of government funded "rest".

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This Redskins name stuff is lame. Don't let some geek get you to waste your time trying to defend the name Redskins. Lets get back to football.

Posted by: toohoes | May 17, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The obvious solution: keep the name and change the logo to a potato.

Now, about that broken O-line...

Posted by: Alan4 | May 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I am a long time reader and first time poster and I very much enjoy the thoughtful and often hilarious posts. I have been a Washington fan since I was five years old when Riggo ran over a certain unremembered Dolphin corner.

I have to say that I don't really understand how this contraversial.

The name and trademark are unambiguously racist. Period, paragrah.

I mean, there's just no question. Arguments about "honoring" Native American's miss the boat. Making a culture a trademark for a sports team, necessarily diminishes that culture. Saying "well I am not offended" is like if I kicked you in the jewels and said "well I don't see how you could feel that hurt." Who cares if you don't think it's offensive? That's not really your call to make.

And furthermore, if some people are offended, what is the problem with changing the name? Are we going to stop rooting for Washington? Doubtful. Did we stop rooting for the Bullets when they became the Wizards? The argument "I don't like change" or "You are wuss" just seems to ring a little hollow in the face of bald-faced racism.

I say bring back the Senators. That would at least coincide with our inability to move the ball forward.

I'll be looking forward to an 11-5 season this year, and I would be if we had a different name. The only difference is this: If Snyder changes the name, I'll be willing to buy some merchandise in the process. Until then, you won't find any Redskins jerseys in my home, just like you won't find any Sambo cartoons.

Posted by: brianearman | May 17, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Anton,

I can't agree with you. You don't name a football frachise after a group for whom you have contempt or disdain. I think that at the time the name was chosen the name Redskins had a much different connotation than it does today. But there's a reason that, back in those days, no one named a team after any of the other groups you mentioned but did name a team the Redkins, and it wasn't because were denegrating Native Americans, but because they admired some traits.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 16, 2009 10:03 PM

I don't doubt that the team would want to create an image that it can be proud of when it chooses a name. Other teams have chosen appropriate names when it comes to "honoring" Native Americans. One that comes to mind is the Kansas City "Chiefs", a name that brings to mind famous warrior chiefs like Sitting Bull and Geronimo. But to come up with the team name "Redskin" seems to me singulary lacking in imagination and brains. Their skin being "red" had nothing to do with the normal honorable attributes that come to mind when one thinks of the Native Americans.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 17, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

this blog stinks

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 17, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

But to come up with the team name "Redskin" seems to me singulary lacking in imagination and brains.

Posted by: AntonChigurh ***

Sounds like a description that could be used to describe many in DC to me.
Congress anyone?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I noticed someone posted updated cap info, and thanks for a post on something relevant. does anyone know where this info can be found if one is looking for it. Hail Skins!

Posted by: jenksredskins | May 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Please: a word's meaning is based on its intent--otherwise, it's just that.

--MistaMoe

That's a pretty broad-based assumption and since you used nt data to defend it, you may well know it's an indefensible argument,

While I agree that intent plays a part--the use of the N-word by Richard Pryor was intended quite differently than its use by the average KKKster--it's only part of the argument.

So to is perception of the word by those most affected?

So to idiomatic meaning.

This nickname argument was pretty much rendered moot when a survey--assuming it's accurate and properly administered--showed that Native Americans were fine with its use for the team.


Posted by: TheCork | May 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I am a life-long Redskins fan. I like the name, I think anyone who is making a big deal about it should probably find another way to bring meaning to their existence. Still, I have to admit that it is inherently racist. If they were to change the name, I wouldn't stop rooting for them. Just don't pick something crappy.

And I don't know what Chief Z would do if we changed the name.

Posted by: MrDumberton | May 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I am sure Chief Z could adapt and root accordingly. the name has been in place so long fans are used to it. It would be just as easy to get used to another name.

Posted by: jenksredskins | May 17, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Adam Scien (correctfully) says that JC and Jim Zorns careers depend on Kelly and Thomas producing this season.. He is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
http://msn.foxsports.com/video?vid=dc365703-f638-42fa-8357-af9b26f264df

Posted by: cocodc1 | May 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Any feelings on vick to the skins? atl holds his rights so he would have to come through trade or be released by the falcons. If he's in football shape by august, and godell lets him come back, what are you guys feelings on acquiring leavenworth's finest?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Can we please have another picture than the one of Edwin Williams Jr. with a patch on his forehead? I mean, no offense, I'm sure he's a swell guy and all... but it's really a face only a mother could love.

Posted by: SkinsfaninPeru | May 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Making a culture a trademark for a sports team, necessarily diminishes that culture
Posted by: brianearman *****

Vikings, Fighting Irish, Celtics,

What is it exactly that is diminished again?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Any feelings on vick to the skins? atl holds his rights so he would have to come through trade or be released by the falcons. If he's in football shape by august, and godell lets him come back, what are you guys feelings on acquiring leavenworth's finest?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 ****

I'd be against it, but, he'd be right at home in the city that elected a Mayor caught smoking crack on tape.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 17, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"....vick to the skins?"


Why?

What would he do?

And given the uncertainity of what Roger Goodell might do (I bet Vick isn't allowed in this eason at all) why should any team reach out to him?

Atlanta--a team that rises like a phoenix out of the debacle of Vick's downfall--should play the 'forgiveness game' and keep Vick.

He sell some jersey's and generate some positive media spin.

With Matt Ryan at quarterback, and having added former Chiefs' tight end Tony Gonzalez, Vick's value is at the kick-punt returner/slot receiver.

Micheal Vick will never quarterback in the NFL again.

It's a sad and funny thing that jail might be the reason why Vick winds up playng the positions he was best suited for when he came out of college.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 17, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

cp,ladell, and vick as the third runnung back/emergency qb/best athelete on the team if he's in shape. He's got a lot more tread on the tires than our backups as far as running and being hit, plus the 23 mos of government funded "rest".

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 17, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 17, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

There are more blog sites dedicated to the Redskins than I thought there would be. That's cool, because sometimes the blogs cover topics you wouldn't otherwise read about, especially during the off-season. I like riggosrag.com and a few others.

Posted by: JHG_sec405 | May 17, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Before they should consider trading for and signing a Vick, a better choice would be going for Terrel Suggs who I am sure would appreciate Snyder's generosity toward impact players he admires. He would definitely qualify as one. If the salary caps goes away or is muted to be more in the players' favor I suspect owner's like Snyder would be become much more attractive. Signing with a Snyder is hedging your bets on the future if you are really good and know it.

Trade for and sign Suggs first way before Vick.

Posted by: periculum | May 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Vick should go to Cleveland. He could rule the dawg pound and is actually probably better than Quinn or Anderson.Matt Ryan is a much better overall QB but there is no denying how Vick electrified the Georgia dome. Seriously.


Yeah, yeah...he probably electrified dogs too but that's a whole different issue.

Posted by: will_ga | May 17, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

RealScouts, Sporting News' team of former NFL scouts, rank their top 20 running backs for '09:

6. Clinton Portis, Redskins. He runs with power and vision, showing the ability to locate cutback lanes and burst to daylight. When healthy, he has been one of the most productive backs the last five years.


Quarterback rankings: Intangibles make the best leaders


18. Jason Campbell, Redskins. Campbell struggled in Jim Zorn's West Coast offense last year, particularly in the second half of the season when he didn't post a 250-yard game. He also threw just five touchdown passes in that span. Redskins officials tried to trade for Cutler and trade up to draft Mark Sanchez in the offseason, so they don't believe Campbell can turn it around. He can be successful, however, in a system that takes advantage of his strong arm and athleticism.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 17, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

http://hou.scout.com/a.z?s=116&p=9&c=2&cid=863176&nid=4302214&fhn=1
Charles Spencer was a 3rd draft pick and starting left tackle for Houston Texans before he broke his leg.

Posted by: fwroy | May 17, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

"He(Jason Campbell)can be successful, however, in a system that takes advantage of his strong arm and athleticism."

He can also be successful on a team with quality offensive linemen and more than just two capable receivers.

The fact that he has had whatever success he has had with a team lacking in both areas speaks to his possessing whatever 'intangibles' the scouts suggest he may not have.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 17, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Mista, I don't think that article is suggesting JC17 is lacking any particular intangibles. They ranked him ahead of Chad Pennington and Matt Cassell, both of whom are very solid NFL QBs.... plus, he's ahead of the 12 other starting QBs who didn't even make the scouts top 20 list. Only 5 QBs separate JC17 from JCWhiner (Cutler).

Those words you quoted really do sound like more of a knock on Zorn for not using his talents properly, but I agree... without a reliable O-line and more than 1 downfield threat, no QB will be able to show off their leadership skills and intangibles. For example, they seem to give Big Ben a mulligan by ranking him at #5 despite a 17TD, 15INT regular season for "saving his best for the biggest games"... well, without the NFL's #1 defense, he would never GET to the biggest games. Overall team success clearly plays a big role in some of the assessments, but other than some minor quibbling for someone to be up or down a few rakings, it's hard to argue with most of these rankings.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 18, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I think that it is well established that redskin is taken by most people today to be disparaging. What is more interesting is whether it has always been so, as Harjo et al., as well as various others, claim. One interesting piece of evidence is the origin of the name Washington Redskins. In 1933, George Preston Marshall, the owner of the team, which was then located in Boston, renamed it the Boston Redskins in honor of the head coach, William "Lone Star" Dietz, an American Indian.³ When the team moved to Washington in 1937 it was renamed the Washington Redskins. George Marshall clearly did not consider the name disparaging.
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002961.html


Posted by: Redskin2 | May 18, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Based on that selection, I suspect that 'RealScouts team of former NFL scouts' didn't do much more than check last season's stats, read a couple articles in USA Today, regurgitate those opinions, and call for another round of Margaritas.

That would be the usual routine for football coverage in the baseball-oriented Sporting News.

Clinton Portis may have been one of the best six RBs in the league in the first half, but he wasn't in the second. He was hurting.

Jason Campbell's problem isn't the West Coast offense (even though he needs to get better at running it). And he wouldn't have done better in another scheme.

Sloppy. I can see why those guys are former NFL scouts.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 18, 2009 6:11 AM | Report abuse

If they were to change the name, I wouldn't stop rooting for them. Just don't pick something crappy.

MrDumberton | May 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

This is the problem, modern sports marketing demands a stupid generic name, like Wizards or any Animal name. Give me the last expansion franchise/relocated franchise in any major sport that ended up getting a name that was unique to their city, and could not apply to 10 other metro areas?

If they change the name ever I will get bumbed for a while but accept it. If they change the logo and colors then I will not get over it.

But they will end up going with a lame name like Warriors or something when they change it.

I could live with the following names. Braves (the original name), Patomac, Powhatan, Statesmen.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Wait I take it back, Nationals is an okay name for DC.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

alan4

"...they seem to give Big Ben a mulligan by ranking him at #5 despite a 17TD, 15INT regular season..."

True.

But two rings separate JC and Big Ben.

That's why he's given the 'mulligan' as you suggest.

Ben gets sacked and hit a lot, but unlike JC, he has a knack for making accurate throws while under duress: that's the intangible that separates them.

I think JC will be allowed to earn his extension this year: thing is, what standard is he going to be held to?

Will he have to get two games deep into the playoff round?

Will he have to have a career year?

Will he be given a 'mulligan' by the FO if he gets sacked and hurried a lot because of poor o-line play?

If Moss goes down with a hammy issue (a likelihood) and the young wideouts fail to step up, how will that figure in?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"Its date night kid. You should go see a nice movie with your mom again. Might get you to chill.

Posted by: periculum |"

This guy is still talking about that!?!

lol @ making fun of someone for loving his momma!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

But they will end up going with a lame name like Warriors or something when they change it.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 7:01 AM

I don't think that's lame at all. In fact, I think if there HAS to be a change, it should be to the throwback unis with the darker burgundy, gold pants and spear on the helmet and make the name Warriors. I would also like the name Warpath since it wouldn't render the fight song totally obsolete. Best case scenario is NO change and the 9 oversensitive Native Americans that keep this lawsuit in the news grow some tougher skin (no pun intended).

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

You can't justify keeping the racist name on this team. There's just no way to do it. Even if it isn't or wasn't ever intended as racist, it's perceived that way now.

You may as well aks for the dark burgundy and spear and have us called the spear-chuckers. There is no excusing it.

That being said, I think the name is a good reminder of how far this nation has come in race relations and how far it has yet to go.

I still maintain that no matter how bad things seem here on that front, we are ahead of every other nation in the world on internal race relations.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I could live with the following names. Braves (the original name), Patomac, Powhatan, Statesmen.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 18, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse
Has anyone mentioned the Washington Foreskins. That way, we could still shorten it to the Skins.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 18, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"they seem to give Big Ben a mulligan by ranking him at #5 despite a 17TD, 15INT regular season for "saving his best for the biggest games"... well, without the NFL's #1 defense, he would never GET to the biggest games. "

Alan4, while I agree with the last part of that statement, you have to understand the Steeler offense: without #7, IT SUCKS! Not unlike the Redskins, the Steelers have a lousy O-line and little depth at WR. I watched most of the Steelers game last year and they scored points with smoke and mirrors. Ben freestyled a lot, and while he did make some mistakes and got sacked a lot, he did a lot to win them games when he had to. I used to think Ben was overrated, but after seeing him play this year (especially the last drive of the Super Bowl), he's made a believer out of me that he's a top 5 QB in the NFL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"But in a football sense, the big news last week had to be the divorce between the Indianapolis Colts and two of the best assistant coaches of this era, offensive coordinator Tom Moore and offensive line coach Howard Mudd."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/05/17/nfl/index.html


FIRE OUR STAFF AND HIRE THESE GUYS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

"...But they will end up going with a lame name like Warriors or something when they change it..."


Got a name change that won't offend:

The Washington Disappointments

They can put a big 'D' on the sides of the helmets.

Cheerleaders will chants, "Let's go 8-8 again, let's go!"

They can stitch "Mediocrity" on the backs of the jerseys in the name place so all the players will seem the same as so many of them are, well, mediocre.

Oooops: a friend (Yes: I have one, no matter what y'all think) informs that the Obama administration already has dibs on the 'Disappointments' name.

I guess I gotta keep trying.

We sure don't want to upset anyone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe bringing it early!

He continues his reign as the best poster, while clowns like talent_evaluator continue his reign as ugliest/lamest poster.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"Elvis is back in the building.''
--Miami football czar Bill Parcells, to Jason Taylor when the 34-year-old pass-rusher and one-time Dancing With The Stars participant re-entered the Dolphins football complex in Davie, Fla., after re-signing with Miami in the wake of his ill-fated sojourn to Washington in 2008.


Come on Tuna, now you're just rubbing it in!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

BOLD prediction : Jason Taylor wins Defensive Player of the Year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I guess the question is, what name is acceptable to denote the fierce natural barbaric intensity of native american warriors? that's the one we should go with - if it sounds cool.

What was the bloodiest tribe in this area? That would be a good place to start.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

You can't justify keeping the racist name on this team. There's just no way to do it. Even if it isn't or wasn't ever intended as racist, it's perceived that way now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 8:26 AM

By that logic, the term "African American" should be canned because I'm offended by that. I'm not African and it makes it look like black folks somehow have less claim to this nation than white folks.

But since I know that it's not INTENDED to offend, I let it ride. Just because a miniscule segment of the population find something offensive, doesn't make it so. Someone will ALWAYS find something offensive. NOTHING is 100% unoffensive. If the team name set off a firestorm of controversy, then make a change. But if we're just talking about less than 10% of Native Americans, they need to get over it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 18, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh & on JT - you can BET the Phin's doctors know EXACTLY what to do with his injuries...

I figured out what our problem is on the medical staff. All the good doctors around here are in Baltimore!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"That being said, I think the name is a good reminder of how far this nation has come in race relations and how far it has yet to go."

I don't want to turn into a history teacher, but you could effectively argue that issues with race relations in this nation failed one group:

Native Americans

I've read there might have anywhere from 8 to 10 million Native peoples living in this hemisphere when Clumbus arrived in 1492.

The question is, well: what happened to the decendants of that many people--small pox, intermarriage, slavery, legistlated extinction via the US Calvary, destruction of tribal homelands, etc.

To undertstand what happened to Native peoples, you almost have to imagine a race of Americans that presently doesn't exist in large numbers.

But will changing the name of a professional football team ameliorate any of the shameful history directed at those peoples: I don't know.

Perhaps Mr. Snyder and the folks behind the lawsuit would do well to create a way to teach and educate the populace about the history of Native people on the Atlantic seaboard.

Something like that would better than a name change.

It might even teach Danny that maybe he should talk the high road and seek a new name without anyone having to seek out legal action.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

clowns like talent_evaluator continue his reign as ugliest/lamest poster.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 8:30 AM

There's our boy Truth again, trying to cement his standing as the most illiterate poster on the blog.

Truth, I keep telling you to send your posts to me before you go public and expose your incompetence. Next time write "clowns...continue THEIR reign." Didn't they teach you English gooder than this at Charleston Junior College?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

te, you should have used the pluperfect tense of the word good in that aspect. See below:

"teech u EmglisH betterererer"

get it straight...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

as Will Smith would say

AWW HELL NAW

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

get it straight...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 9:08 AM |

I yield to the more pedantic and righter pedant. Next time, truth should send his post to you for correction before he makes a buffoon of himself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"The College of Charleston (C of C) is a public, sea-grant, and space-grant university located in historic downtown Charleston, South Carolina. The College was founded in 1770 and chartered in 1785, making it the oldest college or university in South Carolina, the 13th oldest institution of higher learning [1] in the United States, and the oldest municipal college in the country.[2] The founders of the college include three future signers [3] of the Declaration of Independence (Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton and Thomas Heyward) and three future signers [3] of the United States Constitution (John Rutledge, Charles Pinckney and Charles Cotesworth Pinckney). It is said that the college was founded to, "encourage and institute youth in the several branches of liberal education." The College is in company with the Colonial Colleges as one of the oldest schools [4] in the United States. It is a member of the Council of Public Liberal Arts Colleges, the American Association of State Colleges and Universities and the National Association of State Universities and Land-Grant Colleges.


The College of Charleston is ranked nationally as a 'most competitive' institution, accepts the highest percentage in South Carolina of students ranked in the top 10% of their class, and its students have the highest mean SAT scores of all South Carolina institutions.[15]

Due to the historic look and beauty of the campus, many movies and television shows have been filmed at the College of Charleston, including General Hospital, North and South, The View, Cold Mountain, The Patriot, White Squall, Wife Swap, O, and The Notebook. The most popular scene location is Randolph Hall. In 2008, productions shooting on campus thus far include the television show Army Wives and feature film, The New Daughter, starring Kevin Costner.

In 2004, the first televised debate between U.S. Senate candidates Jim DeMint and Inez Tenenbaum was filmed in Alumni Hall. ABC TV's The View and CNN's Crossfire also took up residence on the College of Charleston Cistern Yard before the South Carolina presidential primary in 2000. John Kerry officially endorsed presidential candidate Barack Obama in the Cistern Yard in 2008.

The College of Charleston's Department of Art History is one of the elite public, independent art history departments in the United States, and it is the second largest in the Southeast after Emory University.[16][17]

The College of Charleston's Historic Preservation program is the largest undergraduate program of its kind in the country.[18]

The English Department at the College of Charleston publishes Crazyhorse, a national literary magazine.

In 1971, the College of Charleston was listed on the U.S. Department of the Interior's National Register of Historic Places.

"The Bully Pulpit Series: Reflections on Presidential Communication” is a series hosted by the College of Charleston and its Department

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The English Department at the College of Charleston publishes Crazyhorse, a national literary magazine.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 9:16 AM |

Crazyhorse? No wonder you're illiterate. And isn't this name offensive to Native Americans?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

While you're right about the history, Moe, I still maintain that our relationship with whatever natives (who emigrated here as well, just far earlier) are left is far ahead of pretty much any other nation I can think of.

I'm not saying things are hunky dory rosy now. Far from it. - but even a short trip to Australia can show just how marginalized a 'native' people can become in their own land.

And Brownwood, while I admire your ability to let percieved or unprecieved slights roll off your back, you shouldn't have to.

I'm NOT Mr. PC. Far from it. I'm not even saying we should change the name - I'm actually saying the opposite. I'm just saying there's no justification for it. I guess it's kinda like 'Springtime for Hitler'. It's tragic. It's horrible. But it's funny...

It's like a overriding example of the society that bread comic geniuses Martin Lawrence & Dave Chappelle. Their comedy exists the same way this name persists.


...wow... ok.. now my head hurts.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The English Department at the College of Charleston publishes Crazyhorse, a national literary magazine.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 9:16 AM |

or was this the Crazyhorse where you studied?

http://crazyhorse.com/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Why would CrazyHorse be offensive?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

its offensive to horses....

they prefer, "mentally unstable-horse" rather than 'crazy-horse'....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 18, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Why would CrazyHorse be offensive?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 9:40 AM

In real life the man was a brave leader of his nation. Now his name is affixed to a third-rate "literary" journal in a second rate junior college.

How would you feel if they changed the name of the journal to DikShuttle? You'd probably sue.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

lmao, Greg.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"...I still maintain that our relationship with whatever natives are left is far ahead of pretty much any other nation I can think of..."


True.

The one thing about America is that like a game itself, it eventually gives into the team that plays the hardest and fights within the rules the best.

In terms of race, it's almost as if ours is a nation whose very soul is discolored by the same shame that gives its strength and character.

And hope.

But the folks seeking the 'redskin' name change are seeking a vulgar means of changing it: the court system.

Again: perhaps they should seek out Mr. Snyder, have a sit down,, and try to effect an educational program that teaches the local folks about the history of native peoples.

I wish them well with their efforts.

But I think they'd do a better job of teaching their story to the children of Virginia and Maryland than using the courts to force a change that won't come.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 18, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I'd sue to get a by-line!! hehehe.

Wow - the "The AMAZING Dik Shuttle Literary Journal of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE in Melbourne, Fla."

It would have all the scrawlings from the John at the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE:

"Here I sit, broken hearted - came to SJK and only SJK'd"

And "Dan Marino SJK's monkey SJKs"

And who can forget the classic,

"For a good time call MAVIS 321-867-5309"

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Have read this blog for a couple of years now and posted very little, is there a better one out there that does have some inside information? I enjoy reading the regular's posts but would also like some info. This last week of polls and passing on court cases, its hard to believe there is nothing going on or no one to talk to after this last mini camp, are the Jasons on vacation again or is JLC gone, whats going on?

Posted by: Tappahannock | May 18, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"I enjoy reading the regular's posts but would also like some info.

Posted by: Tappahannock"

Dude, the regulars here are the lamest people on the face of the planet.

.

PERIOD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Um, truth.. you're here every day...


[:-.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Truth was counting you as a regular, even support your UGA opinions

Posted by: Tappahannock | May 18, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Dude, the regulars here are the lamest people on the face of the planet.

.

PERIOD

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 18, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Um, truth.. you're here every day...


[:-.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 18, 2009 10:03 AM |


That was precisely "the regulars" he was referring to -- himself. Once again, Truth has trouble with singular/plural issues. It was that Crazyhorse "education" of his.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

beep beep (And this time it's not a poll but that other space-filler, a guest blog).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 18, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So now that we have extra cap room, what do we do? You know this money is burning a hole in Danny's pocket. Hopefully, we've called Levi Jones. Who else should we go after?

Posted by: brian58 | May 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

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