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Crunching the numbers

Will Allensworth has graciously stepped up with a guest blog....


A look towards the Redskins salary cap future does not predict disaster, though nor does it project peaches and cream parties. The fact is that the Redskins have a lot of moneys allocated via contract for the 2008 season, more so than the CBA will allow them to spend, and that will necessitate some very difficult decisions.
First, a caveat: Redskins fans are a house divided between those that project annual "cap disaster" and those that insist the books are always in order and that the 'Skins FO will fix things no matter what with their usual "cap wizardry". Neither is true; the Redskins, like the other 31 teams in the NFL, operate under a set salary cap. The Redskins are neither better nor worse than the other 32 teams at managing a budget within those limits, as they, like everyone else, do so successfully each year. What other teams do differently is win or lose less (or more) games. No one is above the rules. The Redskins are identified in the media as being "aggressive" in the offseason, but nothing they spend is unaccounted for any less than the dollars and cents (and sense) expended by other teams for free agents or rookies. When the Redskins need to make money to pursue big free agents, they cut or restructure players. There's nothing unique about that strategy, practiced by every team in the league.
Now some numbers, per the Warpath's Redskins Cap page http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm: As of April 30th (which precludes some spending), heading into the 2008 season the Redskins currently have over 128M tied up in contracts. We cannot predict with certainty what the salary cap will be in 2008 as (I believe) it is based on a formula per the CBA that I am unfamiliar with, though an around 7M increase is about as good place to start. From 116M in 2008 would be a safe bet. The only thing we know about the Salary Cap per the CBA is that it cannot go down.
Moving along, we have 128M in contracts that needs to be cut down to 116M. Here are the definite mitigating factors:
Mark Brunell is set to cost the team 6.5M in 2008 as the remaining years on his contract aren't reflected in his restructure (paycut). His 5Mish base salary in 2008 will certainly not be paid out. Either Brunell is cut, or else he finds a way to play for less than 5M in base salary. In either event, he won't be costing us 6.5M. This time next year he'll have 3M remaining in guaranteed signing bonus, which is at or near the minimum he will cost us to cut him next year (~1.5M is the actual minimum). So we'll save anywhere from 3.5-5M on Mark Brunell in 2008.
And here are the thing we'll probably do:
Shawn Springs has ~7.5M remaining in guaranteed bonus which makes him very difficult to cut in the present. By next year that number will be 5M competing with a whopping 7.5M cap hit -- meaning total savings on his removal from roster is around 2.5M. Given his inability to stay on the field through 16 games since 2000, it's a safe-ish bet that he won't do so in 2007. The team isn't going to continue paying an aging CB that kind of money especially given their upcoming cap situation (note: I did not use the word "disaster" here). A June 2nd cut of Springs could save the team as much as 5M on their 2008 cap. As little as 2.5M. On two players alone we're now talking about potentially 10M down, putting us just 2M over the projected 2008 cap.
Brandon Lloyd has a long ways to go towards proving his worth to this football team. I'm not entirely positive on the ins-and-outs of his contract, though we'll know that by 2008 he'll have burned through 2 of 5M of signing bonuses. He has other bonuses though I am not sure how they are guaranteed, or if they are roster bonuses. There's a very good chance that his sizable 4.3M total cap hit in 2008 can be mitigated significantly through a cut. Full disclosure: it's ALSO possible that Lloyd received upwards of 10M in guaranteed money, which means it might not save us money at all to cut him after 2007. Per the Post a while ago www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/13/AR2006031301770_pf.html, he received near 10M in guarantees. He will not have burnt off the lion's share of that 10M by 2008, thus as likely as not will cost us more than 4M to cut.
Some things to remember: the Warpath numbers do not factor in rookies signed, which essentially amounts to LaRon Landry. Based on recent history, he earns 15+M in signing bonuses. In an unlikely best case scenario that bonus is spread out over 6 years (the limit the CBA allows, this year) with a league minimum 1st year salary. That's still over 2.5M in 2008 cap hit that we haven't accounted for in the 128M.
Also, this doesn't consider a few players that many of us hope the team keeps that are not currently under contract through 2008. Depending on who you ask, this might include Lemar Marshall, Prioleau, Big Joe (prolly not), and Shaun Suisham. It definitely includes Chris Cooley. It also does not include our 2008 draft picks.
So how do we get from the cap place we are (currently) obligated to pay through contract to the one we ostensibly want to be at, where we can sign Chris Cooley and rookies and free agents and whomever else want to bring on board.
Cuts are the most obvious, though they're slightly limited to those players with larger cap hits than remaining guaranteed money. Do we really need Khary Campbell in 2008 at 855K? Will Demetric Evans be worth it at 867K? These are the kinds of questions that will get answered one way or the other come 2008, as push comes to shove.
Restructures are the other available option. As my blogging colleague Ben Folsom at The Curly R http://curlyr.blogspot.com/2007/05/clouds-on-horizon-part-one.html pointed out, restructure can mean a lot of things. It can mean the player turns annual salary into guaranteed money that is then prorated over the remaining years on the contract. That's what Chris Samuels does every year and it does help lower our cap hit annually (and also helps Chris pick up an immediate check from the franchise -- he must hate that). Or else it could mean the player actually enters into a new contract whereas they take a lower pay to ensure their future with the team -- that's what Mark Brunell recently did. The former case is always beneficial to the player, the latter case is always beneficial to the team. In those rare instances where it is a perceived benefit to both the player and the team, restructures and paycuts happen.
Quick caution on restructures before I wrap up this already garrulous guest blog: these never actually "save" the team money. It shifts non-guaranteed salary (which may or may not get paid) into guaranteed bonuses (which will be paid no matter what). The advantage is that a dollar spent under 2007's 109M salary cap is worth more than a dollar spent under 2008's projected 116M cap. The disadvantage is that you are adding on guaranteed money that protects a player's future salary which, more often than not, is higher than it is in the present. In the best case scenario a pure restructure of salary to guaranteed bonus simply postpones a problem. In the worst case scenario, it turns a formerly cuttable player who is getting long in tooth into an uncuttable salary monstrosity because their ever-growing pay becomes a necessary evil due to the (now) inflated cost of cutting them. This is what, in my opinion, has already happened to Chris Samuels contract. I predict that the large quantities of guaranteed money he has protecting his base salary will remain higher than his actual cap hit years after he's incapable of earning the latter -- thus making him uncuttable (or costly to do so).
From all that, what I'd like Redskins fans to remember is that the cap situation won't be nearly as dire or groovy as you'll hear from either extreme of fan and observer. "Cap Disaster" has been looming long enough for many to wonder when it will actually decide to show up. And the Redskins have had to let walk (or cut, or restructure) valuable members of the team enough times to recognize that the Redskins are not immune from tough decisions simply because we have better "capologists" than the rest of the league. 32 teams manage their own caps successfully by rule and none are exempt in any specific or general manner. The Redskins save cap space the same way the rest of the league does: through cuts and restructures. We have some tough decisions looming on the horizon, but I have every confidence that the Redskins will successfully place themselves below the 2008 cap.
Because those are the rules NFL franchises are bound by.
Cheers and HTTR,
-Skin Patrol
www.hogshaven.com

By Cindy Boren  |  May 17, 2007; 11:31 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

uh the redskins never have had trouble working around the cap and never will, people predict disaster every season, please tell me about the disasters....lame blog

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

This is my 1st guest blog I ever read and I see too many holes in the story. Toooo many....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Clinton Portis and Caron Butler on BET last night. Clinton and Caron had a lot of interesting things to say....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"uh the redskins never have had trouble working around the cap and never will, people predict disaster every season, please tell me about the disasters....lame blog"

Can you name a team that has ever had trouble working around the cap?

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I guess the negativity continues. Poor J-lac can't have fun with Sean Taylor anymore since he is at Redskins Park working out, so he has to move to another subject of negativity, let's just talk about next season already. Good Lord.

Posted by: Gene | May 17, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor: You criticize the blog for having "too many holes" and you can't even construct a grammatically correct sentence. Now that is irony.

Posted by: Bob | May 17, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, this is off topic...

I've been looking around to get info on the three franchises celebrating their 75th anniversaries this season.

On the bizarre yellow and blue of the Eagles' throwback unis: this color scheme was on the team's original unis... evoking the Swedish flag, because supposedly the Swedes were in Philly before William Penn. I never knew.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=67623

The Steelers (nee Pirates) are also celebrating their 75th this year. They are inaugurating a new mascot, of all things, and have a pretty sweet throwback jersey and helmet:
http://news.steelers.com/article/75934/

What I just tumbled to is that these two teams were born in 1933, not 1932, when the Boston Braves/Boston Redskins/Washington Redskins were born! So are they celebrating a season early, or are we celebrating a season late?
http://www.football.com/history/index.shtml

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

A lot of thos cap numbers in future years includes option bonuses that have not yet been ammortized over the life of the contract. Future years is not real money. You must remember that. So, this guest blog is rendered irrelevant....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Come on man, that is way too long. ArtMonktotheSticks is back in DC after his sweep of Canada. We discussed the new incredibly tight "The Darkness" video game. You all need to check the trailer. On Sean Taylor, one thing everyone needs to remember: he is crazy. Literally crazy. Some of the greats on defense were and are simply crazy. There is no explanation for their actions. You can't hold him to the same standard as normal people because he's not. Normal people don't put a sawed-off shotgun in a gangbanger's mouth because he stole your ATV at midnight in the worst parts of Miami. They don't do that. You all commented on the interview. That interview is worthless in determining what or who Taylor is, or what he is becoming etc. In my opinion, we need to accept Sean for what he is: the nastiest mother in the league.

Posted by: The Governor | May 17, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of thos cap numbers in future years includes option bonuses that have not yet been ammortized over the life of the contract."

You say a lot, I think some examples are in order!

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Most of the overage will be solved by restructurings. They do it every year. Every year there is big concern about the cap and every year several players restructure. The skins rarely have to cut a player for purely cap reasons, unlike teams like the Ravens and Titans who don't manage their cap as well as the Skins.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 17, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Bob - Gramatics is secondary in this era of spell check.

Skin PAtrol - The Tenesse Titans.

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Either Brunell is cut, or else he finds a way to play for less than 5M in base salary." ---
This contract no longer exists after his renegotiation. There is no 5M in base salary in '08 for MB.

"...it's ALSO possible that Lloyd received upwards of 10M in guaranteed money, which means it might not save us money at all to cut him after 2007." ---
He's already been paid his $10 million in guarantees, $5 mil signing bonus, and $5 mil option/roster bonus earlier this spring.

I'll stop there.


Posted by: 4-12 | May 17, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Skin PAtrol - The Tenesse Titans."

What do you mean by disaster? You mean like cutting players to get under the cap?

What's unusual about that? Which of the 32 teams in the league last year didn't cut players to get under the cap?

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Skin Patrol--

The 49er's after Vinnie blew up their cap.

Posted by: KK | May 17, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of thos cap numbers in future years includes option bonuses that have not yet been ammortized over the life of the contract."

You say a lot, I think some examples are in order!

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 12:09 PM

Skin PAtrol - Carter has a 2.4 gaurrenteed option bonus in 2008. Once he gets paid that next year, the Skins can spread the hit over the life of the contract........

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

That was me. I meant to say $2.4 Million.


Also, Betts has $2.1 Million gaureented option bonus next year that the Skins will also spread over the life of the contract..

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate in PDX -- the stillers mascot is just missing a mullet and it would be perfect.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | May 17, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Skins PAtrol - Common sense says the Titans Cap BLEW UP!!

Who they Cut of Importance:
McNair
Rolle
Mason
Bullocks
Kevin Carter
Shulters
And a bunch of other notable players I can't think of.....

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I must agree with everyone else that we are not in trouble with the cap. Brunell is retiring after this season. And a few re-structurings and we are fine. Whereas we won't have like $20 mill to spill on FA's, we are perfectly fine.

Also, the Skins actually are better at negotiating the cap than other teams, or at least have been in the past. We have been the first team to find all these loopholes, although the rest of the league now knows all of them.

And quit bashing Springs so much, he is a great player when healthy.......don't just assume he will be injured for the entire season and then cut.

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the Play

Repeat of downs, stevie in ct incorrectly thinking that csquared is the Zebra.

Better luck next time.

Posted by: Zebra | May 17, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I feel like I'm watching accountant arm wrestling. Not the worst sporting event I've ever witnessed.

It does remind me of this faux news story. R.I.P. Herbert "Tha H-Dog" Kornfeld:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/white_on_white_violence

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

That said, anyone think we'll chase Alex Brown???

He's not worth a 2nd round pick I don't think, but may cost a 3rd? I remember his im college, but can't really pass an opinion on him now.

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I am an accoutant, so we all can just assume to trust me on accounting cap issues....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make if we get into Cap Hell?
Would 'blowing up' a 5-11 team of underachievers really be that bad?

Posted by: 2 cent | May 17, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I like the Steelers throwbacks for this season, very sharp, and their new mascot isn't bad either.

Posted by: ce1782 | May 17, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 2 cent | May 17, 2007 12:36 PM

this is what's left of "Fitty" after Jack Bauer got through with him

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we can give him the $$ he is looking for this year. Next year - def!

We currently are almost to the max on the amount of Rohsenhaus clients one team can have......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Jon -- with regards to alex brown, i think the skins should pass on him because (I believe, too lazy to google it, but I'm pretty positive) he's an undersized end. And we already have Carter. No need for 2 undersized ends. just my opinion.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | May 17, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting post, Skin Patrol. Thanks. I gotta say, I read it slowly to pay attention ("I understood there would be no math."), then I remembered why I never tried to figure out cap stuff and leave it instead to amateur capologists. I prefer amateur GMing myself. The one thing I thought was that next season's cap IS fixed. http://www.nflpa.org/CBA/CBA_Complete.aspx With Sheriff Goodall at the helm, I can see the NFL busting revenue projections out of the water (esp. after the Bills move to Toronto to bring in some of that fancy money!). The other thing that you didn't mention is about how all bets are off on valuing player salaries now that some guards (Dockery, Steinbach) and Nate Clements have cashed in like vaccuum cleaners in PacMan's rainstorm.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not an accountant but I did spend the night at Holiday Inn last night

Posted by: Thor | May 17, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

sween,

Sorry have to carry over from the previous thread.

No, I certainly didn't. I was frustrated with Csquared's comment to that effect.

Interesting analysis here but my head hurts.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 17, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

gsg, i do know that he is somewhat lightweight, and very similar in build to Carter.

Nonetheless, as the season approaches and we still have the same d-line, I get nervous......Brown is also not too expensive, although (as usual) he is probably looking for more money......

Personally, he is not my first choice, but I don't many other options at this point....

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Nate, that link to the football.com chronology is hilarious, esp. some of the old team names: Triangles, Staleys, Brecks. The only old timey R name up there was the Minneapolis Red Jackets. Made me wonder, why are the Skins called the Redskins and not the Burgundy Skins?

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else watch the NFL Network's 'Top 10 Draft Busts' last night?
Charley C was on there trying to justify the Shuler pick (#9 draft bust), and he said something I don't think I've heard about the Redskins before:
"The salary cap hit the Redskins harder than any other team in the NFL"
So my question is this, assuming the Skins brain trust at the time saw the cap comming:
Was it the right decision to keep high paid players together in order to win a Superbowl in 91-92, knowing that it will result in about 5 years of cap misery once the Salary Cap era began the following year? I say yes.

Posted by: Diesel | May 17, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Jon, same here ... I'm up at night wondering if its wrong to say prayers requesting that the team sign a particular player ... and think about Aaron Schobel or Derrick Burgess just in case He DOES answer prayers.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, a corollary: was it the right decision for Gibbs to say adios before that salary cap misery crushed the team? I say yes.

I don't think any of us would have enjoyed seeing Saint Joe look average after that decade of success. It was much easier having Norv as our punching bag through those years.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Off the subject here, but why can't our stadium get a better "jumbo-tron" or whatever you want to call it. Some players are on record around the league saying that they sometimes look up to the monitor to see if a defender is going to catch them from behind. As rich as Danny is, surely he could put two huge screens for replays and live action and what not. Sorry, but that was bugging me ever since I went to FedEx for the first time last season.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | May 17, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

RockyTopSkin, how about little teevee monitors inside the helmets, like the head-up display in a fighter jet? Or little radar sensors to detect an oncoming tackler?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The guest blog was fine...I like the way you cited your sources (warpath).

The salary cap isn't the easiest topic to cover by any means.

Does anyone have a list of good of Skins and NFL sites? One's that are relatively fluff-free?

Just the facts, Dano.

Posted by: Stumped | May 17, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the second Sean Taylor interview on redskins.com from yesterday? He didn't really have an answer when he was asked why he didn't come to OTA's last week. He did say they were just "voluntary" though. Two interviews with the reaper in two days, could this become a trend?

Posted by: ce1782 | May 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't enjoy seeing Saint Joe look average (to below average) in the mid-aughts anymore than I would've enjoyed it in the mid-90s

Posted by: 4-12 | May 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Or rear-view mirrors?

I'm kidding of course. But I can't imagine dudes really have enough time and focus to look up at a screen while running full-speed down the field with the ball. Smacks of braggadocio. Plus, breakaway plays like that only happen a few times a game at the most.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I think I just pulled a Cap'n Obvious

Posted by: 4-12 | May 17, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

'07 PREDICTIONS

Monk finally stops getting cheating from the H.O.F. -- D.Green's entry will help.

Campbell shocks everybody in the pre-season, and becomes a top-priority for Fantasy owners everywhere.

Miami: 14 Redskins: 31

And, oh yeah.... 'Skins are a 11-5 team this year, (assuming their are no crutial injuries).

I'm sensing some DEFENSE this year...

Believe it.

Posted by: Brandon | May 17, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Ex-New York Jets defensive back John Dockery is being sued by a former secretary who was repulsed by alleged locker-room antics at his Manhattan firm.

Tania Padro threw the flag on the football broadcaster in a $300,000 lawsuit filed recently in Manhattan Supreme Court, charging that Dockery, 62, last month instructed her to type an ode to a penis.

"That was the straw that broke the camel's back," said Walker Harman, an attorney for Padro.

"

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I guess what I meant was that on some level it's "easier" to watch Gibbs because of the utter futility of the Norv and Spurrier years since he left.

Easier than it would have been to watch the team spiral into mediocrity on his watch, had Gibbs stayed through the mid-90s cap implosion.

Easier because he still remains a beacon of hope to turn the franchise around, for me anyway.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good Nate!! I just heard that on espn news last season when a player said he glanced up and saw the defender wasn't close. If not for the players, at least get it for us crazed fans.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | May 17, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Those people who marvel at the Skins ability to make all of their flashy, expensive signings fit under the cap are missing the point. True, every team must abide by the same cap rules, but they do so with varying strategies.

Many (successful) teams take a reserved approach to free agency and place a huge emphasis on the draft while absorbing the more manageable rookie contracts (high 1st rounders excluded). The Skins on the other hand opt to sign expensive free agents (often grossly overpaying them), trade away draft picks, and rework existing contracts to make it work.

The Skins approach is dangerous, because they leave themselves with no margin of error in talent evaluation and extremely vulnerable to injury problems. While they make it under the cap every year just like every other team, their approach makes them top heavy without the solid bench and second tier contributors that are often the hallmark of successful teams. This only magnifies personnel mistakes and poor talent evaluations. It also leaves us to suffer through watching Holdman, Archuletta, Raymer (in the playoffs), Rumph and Wright. But, their personnel mistakes are a topic for another day.

Don't get me wrong...I hope, as always, they pull it off this year, but at some point they'll have to make changes (the fact that they still have all of next year's draft picks is a good sign) or get lucky to sustain success. Until then and no matter what their motivation, their overall strategy makes it harder for them to succeed and for us to watch.

Posted by: elwood blues | May 17, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Although I don't think the reason for changning the jumbotrons should be to help on-field play......i do think the jumbotrons stink, and have thought so since we moved into the building. The only other football stadium I have been to is the Meadowlands, and I realize that outdoor jumbotrons are different from thosindoors, but our jumbotrons are sub par.....

It may help that Jerry jones is building some ridiculously sized one in the new dallas stadium, maybe danny will feel the competition

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

elwood - Holdman signed for the vet's minimum. No real damage there....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

JLC is a hack

Posted by: bobbyJoe | May 17, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

On the jumbotrons, I'm wondering if The Owner is holding back on the investment as he considers the tear down of FedEx and a move back to the District. I do know that all the cameras are going to be HDTV for the refs on film reviews (except for 4 stadia set to be destroyed, where we play something like 5 games).

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense Nate. I still believe in Coach Joe too, I just wish he was more of a "coach" like in the glory years and less of the figurehead that he appears to be now.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 17, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate: I think the Steelers and Eagles are celebrating "75 Seasons" not their 75th Anniversary. This is often a topic on the Uniwatch Blog how teams constantly confuse the two concepts.

Posted by: tallbear | May 17, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

We have a salary cap? I thought this was baseball.

Posted by: Vinny C | May 17, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Cowgirls but that new Dallas stadium looks sick. The jumbotrons at Fedex definitely suck along with the rest of the stadium if you ask me. They built a freakin concrete bowl

Posted by: borskinsfan | May 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"That was the straw that broke the camel toe's back," said Walker Harman, an attorney for Padro.

Posted by: why did I read this as | May 17, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

First of all, a shout-out to Skin Patrol - that guest blog must have taken some time to put together. Thank you.

I'm not sure I've got a grasp of what the Redskins face cap-wise next year, but it's a start.

Someone else recently posted that money earned through incentives doesn't count against the cap. This can't be true, can it?

Does anyone out there know how incentive money counts against the cap? If an incentive is reached in 2007 is the money earned counted against the 2008 cap?

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does the Steeler's new macot have an uncanny resemblance to Purdue's Boilermaker Pete?

Posted by: Flayed | May 17, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

You have incentives likely to be earned (ILTBE) and incentives unlikely to be earned (IUTBE).

ILTBE will count against the current year's cap. IUTBE will not count against the current year cap, but if they are earned, it would count against the followin year's cap....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Smacks of braggadocio."

Can't wait til this guy starts posting again. I forget, is Braggadocio in West Texas or Baja California?

Posted by: grinning | May 17, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If anyone is looking for a model The Beltbuckled One might follow, the new Diamond Vision at PacBell Park is stunning.

Maybe sfskin can back me up on this one - the HD screen is so nice it enhances the whole ballpark experience.

This screen would be perfect for FedEx, and my guess is they could move it if a new stadium were built (hard to see a display of this quality becoming obsolete any time soon).

Here's an article on it:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/26/BUGBGOQNLM1.DTL

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Elwood- true, but I think people stopped "marveling" at the 'Skins and our "ability" (I would say nagging penchant) to snag high-priced/profile free agents some time ago. Probably shortly after several losses.

4th- "type an ode to..."
LMGO

Posted by: D7 | May 17, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

so what did portis and butler say on BET? i love me some portis quotes

Posted by: pack4life | May 17, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Cap talk, how much fun!

I liken this to logging into your credit card account after an expensive vacation or a fun night out on the town (NO WAY, that lap dance cost WHAT!?!).

Posted by: BT | May 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Skinpatrol fails to mention Wynn and Philip Daniels?
I suspect that, unfortunately, he is right about Loyd. This again was a huge Snyder mistake. Penny wise and dollar foolish with "flamboyant/flashy" free agents that other teams want to let go. I wonder how much cap money goes to past players like La Var Arrington? Excellent blog submission!!

Posted by: periculum | May 17, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, thanks, tallbear, that is a great uni site. And you're right, the Eagles and Pirates/Steelers are prematurely celebrating their 75th anniversaries during their 75th seasons.

Our beloved franchise, of course, is Getting it Right by celebrating the anniversary during the correct season.

I remain impressed that The Danny figured out a way to monetize a milestone that was theretofore insignificant (70th anniversary) and will now, five years later, seek our dollars again with 75th anniversary merchandise. Can't wait to see what he comes up with for the 80th!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

BT- You're obviously not one of us married guys...we know to ALWAYS pay cash for the lap dance.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 17, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4th, any idea who determines what is ILTBE and ULTBE? A negotiation between management and the agent or does the NFL have some standard?

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Skinpatrol fails to mention Wynn and Philip Daniels?"

As far as I can tell, Daniels is on contract through 2010.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this Portis' second appearance on BET in a week? Or is it a re-run?

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

shoulda been "IUTBE" proofreading smoofreading . . .

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 17, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate ALL the input guys, both negative (overwhelmingly) and positive. Specifically...

"Skin PAtrol - Carter has a 2.4 gaurrenteed option bonus in 2008. Once he gets paid that next year, the Skins can spread the hit over the life of the contract........"

4th Floor you are a knowledgeable person and inspired me to fit in all the listed options for 2008 and calculate how much they save us on the 128M total cap number presuming they are prorated over the remainder of those contracts. And here we go...

Phillip Daniels has 1.1M in 2008, prorated over three remaining years is 366K. That's 734K saving.

Ladell Betts has 2.1M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 420K per year. That's 1.7M savings.

Andre Carter has 2.4M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 480K. That's 1.92M savings.

Brandon Lloyd has 1.8M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 360K. That's 1.44M savings.

Antwaan Randle-El has 1.5M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 300K. That's 1.2M in savings.

The rest of the options combined have a negligible effect on the 2008 cap, unless i'm missing some. Overall savings are ~7M. So the 2008 cap, assuming we option all those players, is around 121M.

Does this seem right to you 4th?

Also, I worry that some of you have misinterpreted the point of the post. I've read both that "sky-is-falling cap disaster people are wrong" and that "the Redskins are fine with the cap" in response. My point is that neither of these extreme viewpoints is likely accurate, and that was kind of the umpf I wanted to put behind the post. I am not a naysayer nor am I a 'Skin cap apologist.

Factoring in the amortized bonuses that I failed to address in the first, we're still ~6M over the 2008 cap without signing LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley, or our 2008 draft picks. This isn't the end of the world, but it probably means that some starting members of the Redskins currently on the roster won't be there come 2008. That's hardly a controversial projection.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

There is only one burning question we should be concerned with: "Will Fred Smoot get his number back?"

I am sure lots of people have old Smoot jerseys that were replaced with Taylor jerseys.

Posted by: JoeyV | May 17, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the play

Game Misconduct on borskinsfan for liking anything Dallas as a skins fan.

Upon further review, the flag is being picked up. There is no foul on the play, since the Zebra agrees, shamefully and to the delight of SMACK.

Posted by: Zebra | May 17, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Smoot #27. However, I don't see anything wrong with wearing a #21 Smoot Jersey or a #36 Taylor jersey. IMO.

Posted by: CC | May 17, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Skin PArol - I'll tke your cap #s right now as I am trying to get my work done to be out here at 4pm today.

Steve - In the CBA, incentives terms are written in as what is deemed ILTBE or IUTBE. I forgot what qualifies as what, but I know this was delt with alot in Brunell's 1st contract restructuring a couple of years ago.

Mugamuck - This was the actual show I watched on BET as what was being refered to by a poster via the Wash Times. Portis just said we are going to the NFC Championship. We have all of the pieces we need to get there, but he thought we could hav egotten another pass rusher so the defense can give the offense the ball more often. Campbell looks great. He loves Mr. Snyder and dosen't care who he gets rid of as long as Snyder keeps paying him. Coach Gibbs is great because of his knowledge and everyone is blaming him and Snyder because they are losing. So, Clinton said he wanted to win so they won't think that.

Butler said next year, they are going to rip through the east and if it wasn't for him and Gil being injured they would still be in the playoffs. He said Gil brings it every night. They were also tlaking about who he was in and out of detention homes and jails through his younger career and how that has helped him.

The rest of the show was black people related so I don't know how 'jiggy' everyone is so I'll leave it at that. The show is called 'Ballers'......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

CC: Nothing wrong with wearing the jerseys (besides confusing people on who you are routing for) I just wonder if Smoot is making a play for his old jersey.

Posted by: JoeyV | May 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

well thats much tamer than i was hoping for

Posted by: pack4life | May 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Alex Brown is good. If you can get that guy for a 3rd rounder, you have to pull the trigger. I'd be opposed to giving up a 1st or 2nd.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | May 17, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Antwaan Randle El is the shizzy.

I'm a grad student at IU where he was a beast.

He is worth every penny.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The whole cap thing is very confusing... just read this FAQ and you'll understand:

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

Posted by: JoeyV | May 17, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for answering all of my q's. And in detail, no less. I'm a sucker for details.

So why does Warpath cover everything except incentive clauses and bonuses? Are teams and players not obligated to disclose incentive arrangements?

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you everything you need to know AND some about lap dances.

Posted by: Pacman Jones | May 17, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I find this guest blog to be learned and accurate, but hard to follow.

More to the point, I take exception to the idea that Chris Cooley is an obvious re-sign for big money. He is an indifferent blocker (if you have any doubts, watch the tape of him trying to block Roy Williams at the goalline in the home Cowboy game when we failed to punch it in over like 7 attempts) and an inconsistent though very talented receiver. On the positive side, he has soft hands, finds holes in the defense, has good repoir with Campbell, and is even somewhat explosive for a tight end (see Carolina Panther game).

But, to me, he has never put it all together for a season. The drops started in pre-season and continued for most of the year (last six games or so he got better).

I think 2007 is a big year for him. He has all the tools to be a pro bowl tight end if his head is screwed on straight. If his head is not screwed on straight, throwing big money at him is the last thing we want to do (see Lloyd, Brandon).

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I find this guest blog to be learned and accurate, but hard to follow.

More to the point, I take exception to the idea that Chris Cooley is an obvious re-sign for big money. He is an indifferent blocker (if you have any doubts, watch the tape of him trying to block Roy Williams at the goalline in the home Cowboy game when we failed to punch it in over like 7 attempts) and an inconsistent though very talented receiver. On the positive side, he has soft hands, finds holes in the defense, has good repoir with Campbell, and is even somewhat explosive for a tight end (see Carolina Panther game).

But, to me, he has never put it all together for a season. The drops started in pre-season and continued for most of the year (last six games or so he got better).

I think 2007 is a big year for him. He has all the tools to be a pro bowl tight end if his head is screwed on straight. If his head is not screwed on straight, throwing big money at him is the last thing we want to do (see Lloyd, Brandon).

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"Skin PArol - I'll tke your cap #s right now as I am trying to get my work done to be out here at 4pm today."

I should at least mention the numbers I left off.

Smoot and London Fletcher have 100k bonuses, CP has 515K, and Rocky has 620K in 2008. The total effect of all three was negligible enough for the purpose of the 2008 cap for me to ignore them, though.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

you kidding me? resigning Cooley is a no-brainer move. He isn't a classic TE, which is why blocking isn't such a big deal to him (doesn't excuse the fact though that he isn't great at it)

He is an excellent receiver though, and very important to have for a young qb. He will get paid, not get Tony Gonzalez money, or even Gates or Alge Crumpler money (whatever they are making), but he is a very good player and his pay will not be far behind those guys

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Shuler. #9 on NFLNetwork's top ten all-time draft. Think he'd be higher if he didn't make it to congress?

Posted by: RMilot | May 17, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

For uncensored news please bookmark:

www.wsws.org
www.takingaimradio.info
otherside123.blogspot.com
www.onlinejournal.com
www.globalresearch.ca

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1972.shtml

Bush administration pushes for expansion and deepening of police state

By Larry Chin

Online Journal Associate Editor


The George W. Bush administration seized the White House in 2000 by way of an openly stolen election, then cemented its criminal power into place with the unprecedented 9/11 mass murder, and its two resulting abominations: the fabricated "war on terrorism" (the pretext for endless global war), and the USAPATRIOT Act (the full-scale destruction of the Constitution, and the militarization of the US homeland).

The deepening of the war and security state continues unabated and relatively unopposed, in spite of meager posturing of (largely complicit) congressional Democrats. Nothing has been done to stop, reverse or undo the Bush administration's boundless criminality, its wide open corruption, or the absolute and systematic rape of law itself. Few if any of Bush's criminals have been brought to justice.

Three new examples leave no doubt:

* In yet another attack on the separation of powers, the Bush administration is pushing for a "war czar", giving the White House even more centralized war power, over and above the power it already wields through the Pentagon, the State Department and the CIA. Through the concocted war and intelligence "czars," the White House inner circle -- Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. -- wields total dictatorial power, and the power to bypass and silence any hint of opposition from the rest of the government.

Mike McConnell, the National Intelligence Director (intelligence "czar" himself) is pushing for greatly expanded power to spy on US citizens and potential "terrorists." McConnell is requesting more warrantless wiretapping and surveillance of US citizens, and more spying without Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court approval or other court orders.

McConnell is also demanding that telecommunications companies receive immunity from civil liability for "cooperating" with the Bush administration. Two companies, AT&T and Verizon, now face lawsuits for handing phone records to the NSA. AT&T's "secret rooms" provided the Bush administration direct access to the lives of US citizens.

See: "Bush administration caught red-handed spying on US citizens"

The Bush administration wants not only the full legal authority, but the permission, to violate and destroy the lives of anyone it targets.

* It is a fact, detailed in a new investigation by Jeremy Scahill, that Blackwater, the private mercenary firm, manages and runs many aspects of the Bush administration's criminal wars all over the world, as well as domestic "security" operations (such as police operations in the post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans). Blackwater, one of the many poison-fanged corporate military faces of Bush-Cheney's neocon political apparatus, headed by hardwired Bush-connected neocon military-intelligence figures, is above the law -- not controlled by either the US military or the US Congress. Blackwater, which is thriving, and building new facilities all over the world, including the United States, is the face of the new international and homeland security state -- a criminal state.

As written by Mike Ruppert in Crossing the Rubicon, "American fascism is something different now. It's not just private, elite control over the legal system, nor private evasion of the rule of law. It's a crisis-induced transition from a society with a deeply compromised legal system to a society where force and surveillance completely supplant the system."
Consider the system supplanted.

Posted by: che | May 17, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

and comparing Cooley to Blloyd???? that hurts, blloyd has never been a better than average receiver production wise, whereas cooley was one of the best TE's (yes i know he is an h-back) in the nfl last year

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

draft BUSTS that is

Posted by: RMilot | May 17, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"More to the point, I take exception to the idea that Chris Cooley is an obvious re-sign for big money."

I wouldn't state that as my position necessarily, though many fans feel that way. I don't operate with any sacred cows on the team.

That said, I like Cooley as a player and think he's a valuable part of the offense. I think we were all frustrated with the drops early on this season, but that (by itself) shouldn't dictate how we evaluate his hands. He caught 60% of his passes in 2006 which, as far as I can tell, is more than any other Redskins target outside of RBs (who have easier passes to catch, for reasons that need not be stated here).

You'd be surprised to know the Tight Ends who had a lower catch % than Cooley last year:

Antonio Gates
Dallas Clark
Alge Crumpler
Shockey
Desmond Clark
Ben Watson

In 2005 he caught 69% of his passes, more than:

Gates
Gonzales
Todd Heap
Jerramy Stevens
Shockey
Crumpler

So I think there's reason to believe that his dropped passing frenzy in 2006 was both overstated and anomalous. He has very good hands relative to his peers.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is a head case like B. Lloyd but I do not want to get into the all the reasons why here. Keep it a football discussion. On the football field, Cooley is far, far superior to Lloyd and I did not mean to imply otherwise.

In Cooley's defense, I will also say the Football Outsiders rank him 9th statistically in the NFL for tight ends. Maybe that is right. A little above average but not as good as the elite tight ends.

So maybe if we are talking mid-high type money. Ok. But I certainly wouldn't break the bank for him. Tight ends need to be consistent because they so rarely make explosive plays (though Cooley has had a few of those) and Cooley could certainly get more consistent.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Skin PAtrol - You must also look at those salaries of people who are to earn $4 Mil plus for the year be cause you can easily convert those into signing bonuses and spread them (Daniels and Washington I klnkow for a fact off the top of my head)......

Pack4Life - They were just talking about subjects any young blackman talks about when there are not scrutinized and being just being themselves. It was cool knowing all of those people are my age and the chill and joke around about stuff just like I do.....

mugamuck - I don't think these incentives are a lot compared to salaries and signing bonuses. Brunell's ILTBE when he restrucured was only a couple of houndred thosounds. You can't minipulate the cap too much this way I'm sure the skins already tried)......

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daveskin | May 17, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

James Tuthill ... Lloyd, Brandon ... so it begins, so it begins. I was actually thinking about Lloyd when someone asked for more explanation about "incentives unlikely to be earned."

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"So I think there's reason to believe that his dropped passing frenzy in 2006 was both overstated and anomalous. He has very good hands relative to his peers."

I hope you are right. He certainly ended the season on a very high note (and has a world of talent) but no I am not surprised by those catch percentages as I read the Football Outsiders regularly.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Are you the one who came up with Gardner, Rod? If so, I should give you credit here. I know it was someone from this blog. Lloyd, Brandon is not far behind.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

#27 Smoot, Fred

from redskins.com - current roster

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Why not give Cooley a 6 year/$30 Mil Contract w/ $15 Mil gaurentted? I think he earned it..........

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Dead Cap
(All figures in 000s)
30-Apr
Dead Bonus Money on 2007 Cap

S Adam Archuleta $4,500
WR David Patten $2,288
K John Hall $465
WR Taylor Jacobs $362
HB Manuel White Jr. $213
DB Troy Vincent $167
TE Christian Fauria $95
OG Kili Lefotu $23
LB Kevin Simon $20
FB Nehemiah Broughton $14
Other $38
Total $ 8,184

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the Play

Blog misconduct on che for bringing a political slant to a Redskins Blog.

Posted by: Zebra | May 17, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"22. Washington Redskins
In a few months, we may look back on this off-season as addition by subtraction. Gone are many of the high-profile acquisitions from previous seasons -- David Patten, Troy Vincent, John Hall, Adam Archuleta, and T.J. Duckett. In comes proven talents Jason Fabini and London Fletcher-Baker. The Fred Smoot signing will bring a reunion for the former Redskins star and his old team. Then Washington went out and had a pretty productive NFL Draft. Patient, they used their only Day 1 pick on LaRon Landry, and picked up intriguing prospects H.B. Blades and Jordan Palmer on Day 2. At no point, though, both through free agency and the draft did the 'Skins address their putrid defensive line.
Biggest gain: London Fletcher-Baker, LB
Biggest loss: Derrick Dockery, OG

Are they in better shape than they were in January? Absolutely. Clinton Portis is back and healthy, Jason Campbell has a full year under his belt, and the defense picks up two instant playmakers in LaRon Landry and London Fletcher-Baker. H.B. Blades will surprise some folks, as well. Betts and Portis could emerge as a top running back combination if Al Saunders manages egos right.
"

Posted by: 4th Floor via FOX's Offseaon roundup ranking | May 17, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

SkinPatrol,

I think you did a nice job with the blog. Very thorough, cited your sources, even-handed. You obviously are a very knowlegeable fan. I did not mean to pick off a tiny piece of your story and criticize it. Cooley was just a subject of interest to me.

I do note you said he had a 69% catch rate in 2005. That is a very good number and I certainly thought he was headed for stardom after 2005. His number last year -- 60% -- was not nealy as good.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

JT, actually, I think it was either Jasno himself or one of the Glover Park guys (AMMTS, Governor, etc. -- there are more than those two) who came up with Gardner, Rod. I was just googling to see what old 50/50 has been up to.

I'd never heard of Lloyd, Brandon before we signed him. I was unimpressed with him in the preseason (black tights ... copied by Jimmy Farris ... and we saw what happened to him ... then the fight with Stan Hixon). I was underwhelmed by him in the beginning of the season. I did notice he was getting open alot by mid-season -- around the time Brunnell declined to throw anything other than a screen. By late season with the hissy fit unsportsman-like, Lloyd, Brandon earned the reference you just gave him.

Back to the Skins Patrol post, the fear I have is that middle-range vets like Thrash become cap casualties. Love the Thrash.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"In comes proven talents Jason Fabini...."

ha! maybe a few years ago...

Posted by: Jon | May 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Non Poster - PAtten is designated as a post June 1st cut, so we won't take the complete cap hit this year....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

So, in so many words, the basic thesis of this blog, SP, is that there are many factors at play in evaluating who will be a cap casualty and that there are many factors that good teams, like the Patriots, use to evaluate who should go and when to spend. Right?

Do we have any proof that the Danny or Vinny have ever used such a calculus in determining who they keep/cut/trade?

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 17, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I remain impressed that The Danny figured out a way to monetize a milestone that was theretofore insignificant (70th anniversary) and will now, five years later, seek our dollars again with 75th anniversary merchandise. Can't wait to see what he comes up with for the 80th!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 01:50 PM

Nate,

You probably won't have to wait. Rumor has it he's got some great ideas for celebrating the 76th, 77th, etc.

Posted by: KK | May 17, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud - New England never has cap casulties. They never spend up to the cap. look it up......

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

2:57 PM, not sure whether Kili Lefotu remains on the dead cap space list. He's back on the roster.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

And, didn't they bring Vinny on because he came from the DiBartolo "cap wizard" school?

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Best reason not to sign Cooley to a long term deal? Because he won't sign the CD and send it to Barno via Jasno.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

4th,

I think that was my ineffectually made point. They might soon though.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 17, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The rent-a-stall horse barn has stalls for 1000 horses. Forty percent of the stalls are for ponies. On Tuesday, there were 200 ponies and a bunch of quarter horses at the horse barn. The horse barn was 75 percent full.
How many quarter horses were in the stalls?

Posted by: loco mullin | May 17, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Patten will count 762k on the dead cap after June 1st.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I apologize Mr. Bud (Weis-er). I re-read and stand corrected. Patriots are a good example because this is the 1st time they spent significantly in the offseason. But from the contracts I've seen there are a lot of 2nd year and 3rd year option bonuses to 'kick into gear' the remainder of the contract.

Dree Brees had the same deal with the Saints. He made like $6-8 Mil this year and then had an option bonus in the 2nd year of his contract that kicked in the rest of his 6 year/$60 Mil contract. So it could have been a one year/$8 Mil contract if things didn't work out to well in the N.O. last year......

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

550. Yes that is correct. Thanks!

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The bulk of Patten's dead cap money will hit the cap in 2008 - it just doesn't disappear into the ethos.

Lefotu got cut so his previous bonuses hit the cap as dead money, even if he ie signed again later.

Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually, there is not enough info to complete the answer. I read it wrong originally.....

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You were right the first time, 4th.

Posted by: CC | May 17, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I am no expert on cap numbers... But to the fan, like me, who realy does not understand the nuances.... The issue is that the Skins keep paying BIG $$$$ to free agent busts. When a player busts, that is a negative to our cap. It is that simple. Free agent busts are the responsibility of who? Who says "Lets sign him at all cost?" There is only one person who can authorize that - the danny.

This franchise will be in perpetual "hope" mode until "he" goes.

Posted by: OldNOVA | May 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,
Who is Barno?

Posted by: Stumped | May 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Nope, it's 550.

200 ponies
550 quarter horses
equals 750 = 75% of 1,000.

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It's a crisis-induced transition from a society with a deeply compromised legal system to a society where force and surveillance completely supplant the system."
Consider the system supplanted.

Posted by: che | May 17, 2007 02:36 PM

Che - Let's hope that some of that surveillance and force will be used on you first.

Posted by: Chicken Little | May 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

For 2008, we can clear cap room when we cut:

Brunell
Wynn
Daniels
Springs

And, after restructuring others, have room to sign and/or draft the defensive end and defensive tackle we need.

Posted by: rb | May 17, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

2:57pm, I don't think anything will disappear in the ethos of the jolt it got yesterday, but I thought that two cap hits for the two players designated for the two-year spread were even splits. Did I get that wrong (and that the team can elect to apportion the hits as they see fit, e.g., 1%/99%)? Bummer about the Lefotu hit.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

For 2008, we can clear cap room when we cut:

Brunell
Wynn
Daniels
Springs

And, after restructuring others, have room to sign and/or draft the defensive end and defensive tackle we need.

Posted by: rb | May 17, 2007 03:26 PM


Look at the cap space cleared up if you cut the old man with the hip problem - Marcus Washington. 4 MIL!!!

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Flag on the play

5 yard offsides penalty on loco mullin for getting people to do his highschool homework on the blog.

Posted by: Zebra | May 17, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Sween - I forget what the split is, but it is def less in the 1st year and more in the 2nd cap year........

Posted by: 4th | May 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

brunell and wynn are now on 1-year deals. they won't need to be cut before '08

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How many quarter horses were in the stalls?

Posted by: loco mullin | May 17, 2007 03:13 PM

There is not enough information to derive the correct answer. One has to assume that the horses are in the stalls if they are in the barn. However, that assumption may be incorrect. Instead, the horses may be in the media room of the barn, planning equine insurrection. Therefore, the number of horses in stalls is unknown.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Boring and silly on here today...when we start debating Cooley's worth its a done day, everyone retreat and take a breather.....

Posted by: chris larry | May 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

How about some quotes from Joe Gibbs, fresh from the Redskins' staff? Let's go with Portis first:

On running back Clinton Portis:
"What has happened this offseason is that we have had setbacks. First of all; he is coming back from his shoulder and I think we are in pretty good shape there. He has developed tendinitis (in his knee). He flew to see Dr. Andrews yesterday. It came up at the end of last week. He had some soreness in his knee but he said he could run and work out on it. Last week it bothered him so we decided to have Dr. Andrews look at it just to make sure we are on the same page. That has held us up with his running."

On this week's OTA's:
"We got another week out of the way. The guys have been working hard. They have a good attitude and I think we are getting good work."

On how happy he is that safety Sean Taylor is back:
"It is excellent. We want all of our guys here. If you look around the league we have as good a percentage (of guys here) as anybody in the NFL. We are still working on Shawn Springs. I am focused on the guys that are here. Obviously having everybody, with the exception of one person, is great. We are getting good work and the guys have a great attitude. It means a lot to them. We are trying to make each day as productive as we can both mentally and chemistry-wise. We have some new guys fitting in."

On if it is more important for Sean Taylor to be here because he will be working with a rookie safety in LaRon Landry:
"It is important for everybody, particularly on defense because we have added some guys through free agency and the draft. There are a number of new guys to the system on defense more so than the offense. It is important for us. The guys are off to a good start over there and they are working hard."

On Sean Taylor being a leader:

"Sean is one of our leaders. He is someone that we count on. Leadership in sports usually comes first with the guy being a real productive, great player who is making plays. Sean is every bit that. He is one of our leaders. He has been since he has been here. He is a leader on the field with the way he plays. I certainly think that our defense looks up to him because of the way he plays. He loves football. He is very much a football guy and that is important."

On how Sean Taylor has looked on the field:
"He is noticeably thinner than he has been. I think he has lost some weight. The very first day that he came in he went out here and had a full workout. Passed the running drill and then went in the weight room and lifted his legs for about an hour. I would say he is in pretty good shape right now."

On Todd Wade possibly moving to guard:
"He has been here a bunch of days when he didn't have to be here. He has worked extremely hard with Joe Bugel (Assistant Head Coach - Offense). I think he is excited about it. Casey (Rabach) and everyone there are working with him. He is off to a real good start. He is a tough guy. He has played in the NFL a bunch and probably started around 60 games. He has experience, is excited about it and off to a real good start."

On defensive end Alex Buzbee:
"What you can have up here is a situation pass rusher guy. He fits that category. He has caught our eye out here. He is very, very quick. Some guys out here continue to grow or add weight. Some of the quick guys have made a real impact on football teams because they fit that category of being a pass rusher. I think that is where he has a chance and we will see how it goes."

On linebacker Lemar Marshall:
"He is real important for us. The good thing about Lemar is that we feel like he could play any spot. When you get your numbers cut down, a guy who has real flexibility at linebacker means a lot. He has played everything. He has played MIC which is probably the position that requires the most studying and making all the calls. He has done that. We know he can play outside. He becomes a very valuable guy. We will go to work and see where it all shakes out."

Posted by: Cindy | May 17, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This blog fell asleep
To much math for one person
Quitting time already?

Posted by: not Haiku Man | May 17, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

JoeyV,

Fred Smoot joked a few weeks ago that he was in negotiations with Sean Taylor over #21 but now he said he is fine with #27.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Lisa!

Posted by: JoeyV | May 17, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Smoot - S-S-S-Sean Can I....

Taylor - (Turns around and looks)

Smoot - Nevermind (and runs away).

Posted by: Negotiations b/t Smoot and Taylor | May 17, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Smoot joined the 'Skins? He asked Deion Sanders for permission to wear #21. I'd like to see him ask Sean Taylor for permission to wear it.

Posted by: KK | May 17, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Considering they have Smoot Replica jerseys (#27) for sale on redskins.com for $70, he better not change numbers this year.

Posted by: JoeyV | May 17, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Can I just say how tired I am of hearing, how the Skins are in cap trouble....we always sign whoever we want and make it work. I will say the the LLoyd and Archuletta contracts were pitiful and while I like Randal El makes a whole lot of money for a returner/slot reciever but I'm ok with the stretch there cause used right (like he was in Pitt) he could be dynamic in our offense. But what I don't like beyond those are the contracts Daniels, Wynn, and Carter have for there production they are grossly overpaid. The biggest problem with all this is we were 5-11 and despite the lucky playoff year, we've been pretty bad for a long time. How can we be so tight against the cap and still be so bad...answer= no GM! The Danny/Vinny/Gibbs team just doesn't work. We have no clear direction, no long-term perspective, and no sound decision maker leading our front-office. Hence we are the top one or two in salaries paid every year and nowhere near the top on or two in the league.

On another note, the people saying Brunel led us to the playoffs a year ago, your just wrong as wrong could be, our defense and Clinton Portis putting the team on his back for a 5-game stretch got us to the playoffs in spite of Brunel. Brunel could be a servicable QB for say the Bears, who defense and SP teams can win games all by themselves, they just need someone to not turn the ball over, Mark's specialty. Listen, I like the guy, he is a stand-up courageous player but the 5 yard ins and bubble screens just don't cut for a team that needs there offense to score points. Campbell at the very least gives us the threat of going past 10 yards down the field and I think he has the chance to be special.

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Question 1.11a
How does the NFL Salary Cap treat cash incentives?

Answer: All incentives are included in team salary if they are "likely to be earned" (LTBE). LTBE incentives are performance levels that the player or team has reached in the previous year.

For example, if a quarterback threw twenty touchdowns last year and his incentive clause for this year is set at fifteen touchdowns, then this incentive is "likely to be earned." Also, incentives that are in the sole control of the player, like non-guaranteed reporting bonuses and off-season workout and weight bonuses, are considered LTBE.

An impartial arbitrator will hear disputes between the owners and the players concerning what should be considered LTBE (especially for rookies or veterans who did not play in the prior year). Conversely, if a player did not reach the performance incentive in the previous year, the incentive is deemed "not likely to be earned" (NLTBE) and is not included in team salary.

To determine whether a clause is LTBE or NLTBE for Salary Cap purposes (i.e., not whether the player actually earned the incentive), it is necessary to look at the performance of the team in the prior season, not the current season.

For example, assume Player X receives an incentive bonus if he participates in 50% of the team's offensive plays this season. Assume further that last season the team had 1,000 offensive plays. Therefore, as soon as Player X plays in 500 plays in the current season (or 50% of last year's 1,000 plays), the incentive will be considered earned for Salary Cap purposes.

The same incentive is considered "not earned" if the same player in the current year only participated in one of the team's first 502 offensive plays. In this situation, it would be impossible for the player to achieve the 50% incentive based on last year's performance of 1,000 plays. It is important to remember that looking to last year's performance level is only for Salary Cap purposes and will not affect the player's right to receive a bonus for his performance in the current year.

Question 1.11b
So cash incentives work almost like signing bonuses, right?

Answer: The short answer to this question is that incentives are considered signing bonuses; however, for cap purposes they are not handled exactly the same way as "signing" bonuses.

While we're on the topic, let's talk a bit more about signing bonuses

Also included in the "bonus" are guaranteed reporting bonuses and guaranteed workout bonuses. Roster or reporting bonuses earned or paid before preseason training camp are also considered bonuses. Guaranteed salary advances or advances that do not have to be repaid are treated as signing bonuses. Money guaranteed or paid for option years, contract extensions, contract modifications, individually negotiated rights of first refusal, and option buyouts are considered signing bonuses. Reporting bonuses are treated as signing bonuses if the contract is signed after the start of training camp. Roster bonuses are also considered signing bonuses if the contract was signed after the last preseason game. Finally, individually negotiated relocation bonuses are treated as a signing bonus.

The non-guaranteed amount of any salary advance, off-season workout bonus, off-season roster bonus, or off-season reporting bonus is included in the team's salary in the year it was earned. These bonuses cannot be prorated. "Guaranteed" refers to those bonuses that are fully guaranteed-regardless of skill, injury or termination of the contract.

Question 1.12
What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary "accelerates" and is included in that year's team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary "accelerates" and is included in that year's team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.

Question 1.13
So...what happens if a team goes over the Salary Cap?

Answer: The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official. Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL's Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.

If a team releases or trades a player and the signing bonus acceleration puts a team over the Salary Cap, the team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap. However, they may not sign any players until there is room to do so under the Salary Cap.

There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers' front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.

Errata

6. Prior to the start of the league year, teams may designate up to two (2) veteran players that they will cut after June 1 to spread out the signing bonus escalation (See 1.9b). In so designating them, the team allows these players to become free agents at the start of the free agency period -- although their cap liability remains with the original team just as it would have if the player had stayed on the roster until after June 1.


Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS #1 FOREVER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Question 1.9b If that is the case, why are so many players cut AFTER June 1?

Answer: After June 1, the team can stretch their salary cap liability over the next 2 seasons. Let's look at our example above, where a player signs a big contract for 4 years, including a $1 million signing bonus.

If the player is cut after the first year of the contract, the remaining $750,000 of the "un-amoratized" signing bonus hits the cap immediately (accelerates). However, if he is cut after June 1, the team can spread that money over Year 2 and 3 of the contract instead of taking the full brunt of the cap hit in Year 2.

Doing this will save $500,000 against the cap hit for Year 2.

Clearly, this practice is a nice way of freeing up cap space in a given year. Note, however, that the money still has to be accounted for against the cap -- and the remaining $500,000 that was never accounted for will hit the cap in Year 3. In essence, many NFL teams have mortgaged their future by overusing this practice, whereby they continue to pay against the cap for players who have not been on the roster for over a year.

This was another important benefit that would have gone out the door if the CBA had not been extended. Namely, with no cap in 2007, teams would not have had the luxury of being able to extend this acceleration beyond 2006.

Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Jack--

We don't always sign whoever we want. There's a lot of guys we wanted, and we couldn't sign because of the cap: Dockery, Adalius Thomas, Nate Clements. It was a pretty restrained off season because of some of the past excesses that you refer to.

Posted by: KK | May 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I was close with out looking up the facts...

Thanks 2:57pm!

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 17, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

rb,
Who's the cover guy to replace Springs?

Posted by: Stumped | May 17, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

All that interesting salary cap stuff was compliments of the above site.

Regarding the Patten post-June 1 designation: the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus that would have hit 2007 does hit 2007. The remainder hits 2008. There is no alternate method that I as aware of.

Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

F Dockery. The Bills WAY overpaid for him. The only reason he was "good" (over rated) is because he played next to one of the best Tackles in the league and everyone else on the line made him look better. Quit the Dock talk. He is easily replaced.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

not haiku man,
i see why, almost as bad as PDSquared, check your syllables in the last line buddy

Posted by: bornskinsfan | May 17, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Bills, way overpaid for Dockery, but the truth is any GM with a brain would have extended him last year before he ever had a chance to hit the FA market. Good, young, agile, 335 pound lineman, and that start from day one of their career are hard to find. We coulda had him cheap last year, instead he was too expensive to keep. And yeah, he was worth what the Bills paid, but I'm not so sure he is "easily" replaced by what's on our roster, he obviously will be replaced but I think there will be some drop off, not worth what he got paid but some. And if we had extended him last year like we should have we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Correction meant to say he was not worth what the Bills paid.

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If he was that good he would be playing Tackle at that size. We'll see how he turns out in Buffalo. Todd Wade will easily replace him. I for one am not concerned with the loss of Dockery and never was.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

James Thrash will never be cut as long as Gibbs is coach. He is tough, hard-working, always in shape, smart, excels on "teams", and plays for roughly the league minimum. He is a core Redskin.

Lloyd, Brandon, on the other hand, could arguably be worse than Gardner, Rod. Gardner, Rod caught 70 balls some years and he did used to throw that trick pass screen option for a touchdown as he did against Seattle at home in 2003. Cannot discount that.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bills did the right thing to focus on the line of scrimmage. J.P. Losman notwithstanding, the Bills are going to be a tough team on offense. Plus a re-load, maybe even upgrade ultimately at RB with Marshawn Lynch. Losing Clements and Fletcher, on the other hand ...

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS NEVER HAVE CAP PROBLEMS AND THAT IS BECUASE THEIR FRONT OFFICE ISN'T FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF YES MEN WHO WILL DO WHATEVER IT IS YOUR PRECIOUS DANNY-BOY/OLD MAN GIBBY WANT

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

You all are bashing Lloyd but I saw him make LOTS of amazing (one handed) catches while playing for SF. So hopefully he can do that for us.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Cindy - Thanks for all those good quotes from Redskins Park. Sorry to have buried you in salary cap "hell".

Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS NEVER HAVE CAP PROBLEMS AND THAT IS BECUASE THEIR FRONT OFFICE ISN'T FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF YES MEN WHO WILL DO WHATEVER IT IS YOUR PRECIOUS DANNY-BOY/OLD MAN GIBBY WANT

Posted by: | May 17, 2007 04:24 PM

Instead they're filled with a bunch of "yes men" who will do whatever JJ wants.

Jackarse!

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't count Lloyd out yet. He will have a better chance at putting up good numbers with JC at the helm. Even Moss had an off year statisticly last year. Give the man at least one more year with a QB who can throw more than 5 yards and then we can see.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

ESPN has the Redskins ranked 28th in the offseason rankings. I know it does not mean anything, but man, we are getting no love at all. Anyways ESPN are retarded anyways for having such dumb rankings during the freaking OFFSEASON

Posted by: Doomsday for the Skins | May 17, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Dear Cowboy fan - Jerry Jones (the owner) doesn't have any yes men because Jerry Jones (the GM) doesn't need any. And go ask Greg Ellis how he likes the Cowboys cap management. Here's another good question - Why do the Cowboys have a starting quarterback who was an undrafted free agent? Because they can afford him.

Now back to the ethos with you - begone!

Posted by: 2:57 pm | May 17, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Re Lloyd, Brandon,

I too saw him make those catches with the 49ers and am perpetually optimistic about the Skins so I will hold out some hope he can do so for us (not to mention Al Saunders thinks highly of his skill level). But when you combine his anemic on-field performance with his take-his-helmet-off fit, his arrogant comments to Al Saunders and other coaches, and the fact that Clinton Portis basically said he hates Lloyd and that Lloyd has alientated everyone, it does not add up to a pretty picture.

I thought the offense ran better when Randle-El was in there as the number 2.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS NEVER HAVE CAP PROBLEMS AND THAT IS BECUASE THEIR FRONT OFFICE ISN'T FILLED WITH A BUNCH OF YES MEN WHO WILL DO WHATEVER IT IS YOUR PRECIOUS DANNY-BOY/OLD MAN GIBBY WANT

Posted by: | May 17, 2007 04:24 PM

Instead they're filled with a bunch of "yes men" who will do whatever JJ wants.

Jackarse!

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 04:29 PM

TELL ME AGAIN WHAT TEAM WAS 5-11 AND WHAT TEAM MADE THE PLAYOFFS?

JACKARSE!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA 'BOYS RULE, SKINNIES DROOL!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You all are bashing Lloyd but I saw him make LOTS of amazing (one handed) catches while playing for SF. So hopefully he can do that for us.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 04:26 PM

Quick question--which team is seemingly in better shape: cap room, management/front office, coaching, talent base, draft, etc. Skins or 49ers?

The 49ers were sick and tired of his attitude and inability to catch routine passes. Yes, he made the periodic highlight catch, but so did Gardner, Rod.

Best of all, what was the bounty for him? A 3rd AND 4th? F n joke.


Posted by: k Squared | May 17, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Typical annoying Cowpokes bandwagon jumper who just got home from high school and has no friends on a Redskins blog just to annoy people. I will ITA from now on.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ESPN ratings have no effect on the outcome of the season. The measure of a team is how they perform, rather than what we think of them. Anyway, we just do those rankings to upset fans like you, so we will get more "hits" on our web site (which means we make more money from advertisers). We don't really know anything about football - we just act like we do. If we say your team stinks and then they do well, you can thank us later for the extra motivation we provided to your players.

Thanks for clicking ESPN.

Posted by: Chris Berman | May 17, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The fact that we traded picks for Lloyd might make that the worst move of 2006. The two things the Lloyd deal has over the T.J. Duckett "acquisition" is that 1) at least wr was a position of need after 2005 and 2) Lloyd is still on the team so could arguably turn things around.

But Lloyd deal, though possibly better than Duckett panic move, is worse than Arch right now because we gave up picks for Lloyd and he is a locker room problem.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 17, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Doomsday for the Skins,

Actually it's GOOD news that ESPN has us ranked 28th.

In one of their polls last year they had us going to the Super Bowl....and we know all too well that did not even come close to happening.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

CAN SOMEONE PlEASE GIVE ME A LINK TO WHERE I CAN SEE CLINTON PORTIS ON BET SAYING HE GARUANTEES THE REDSKINS MAKE IT TO THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP....THANKS ALOT

Posted by: Ben | May 17, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

QB's that BLloyd has had throwing to him during his NFL career:

Ken Dorsey
Tim Rattay
Alex Smith (before Norv T. came in)
Mark Brunell

No wonder he had average wide receiver stats with SF and did not do much last year with the Skins, not exactly the cream of the crop UP THERE. Give him a break, he'll do much better this year with JC as QB and another year with the Saunders playbook.

The locker room antics...no excuse for that though.

Posted by: CC | May 17, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The 5 o'clock blog whistle...

Posted by: ahhhh | May 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The 5 o'clock blog whistle...

Posted by: ahhhh | May 17, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

YAWN.......ZZzzzzzzzz............YAWN..............salary sorry, cap articles suck.

2007 PREDICTION

Carlos Rogers becomes our #1 CB

Lemar Marshall wins starting job and thrives.

McIntosh still sees plenty of play time.

Andre Carter and Laron Landry lead the team in sacks by seasons end.

Montgomery wins starting job at DT.

Mike Espy wins #4 WR spot.

Jason Campbell goes to Pro Bowl.

Posted by: Mike C | May 17, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

...it blew quite early today

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

When Lloyd was traded to the Skins every 9er fan I know was thrilled. The fans just couldn't stand the guy. Too many easy catches dropped to kill drives.

Snyder simply got snookered by Lloyd's highlight reel (which, admittedly, is phenomenal).

Can't Snyder's millions come up with a glove that will allow Lloyd to catch and also get around the Stickum ban? Shark-skin maybe?

I'd love to know Jasno's take on Lloyd being a locker-room cancer. Why is Lloyd under Portis' skin?

Can anyone tell me where it was reported that Portis is sick of Lloyd?

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I also would like to see Portis bad-mouthing a teammate. I don't believe it to be true.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there a saying about how receivers who can't catch consistently becoming cornerbacks? Lloyd, Brandon is not a small dude. Maybe he could run backward and tackle occasionally.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Jason, can we get some optomistic guest blogs? please. Im tired of the negative coverage. Everyone is saying cambell looks great. Taylor seems content and ready to bust some heads. If managed right betts/portis could be a killer combo this year. Al suanders offence usally does much better after the first year. Landry might actually start, and grilliams seems impressed with him. Just throwin out ideas for some OPTOMISTIC feed back. Thanks

Posted by: Brutus | May 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason, can we get some optomistic guest blogs? please. Im tired of the negative coverage. Everyone is saying cambell looks great. Taylor seems content and ready to bust some heads. If managed right betts/portis could be a killer combo this year. Al suanders offence usally does much better after the first year. Landry might actually start, and grilliams seems impressed with him. Just throwin out ideas for some OPTOMISTIC feed back. Thanks

Posted by: Brutus | May 17, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

in filed of dreams voice: brutus if you write it, he will print it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Ben-

There's about 4 minutes of the BET Ballers Portis interview here, in section 2, I think:

http://www.bet.com/BETShows/Ballers+Page.htm??Referrer={7B0DBA9C-903A-4BD3-AF56-3DD799DAEB41}

Let me know if the link doesn't work.

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

This blog was trash and wayyyy to long. As for the lonely cowboys fans comments: your quarterback cant hold a snap let alone win a big game and I would rather be 5-11 than loose in the first round of the playoffs. You and your GIRL TO will be feeling the hits from Laron and Sean over the middle for years to come.

Posted by: Paul | May 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lloyd

That's nice. Giving up any picks, let alone TWO, is almost as dumb as selling your home for half the appraised value, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: k Squared | May 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Mike C- you went 3 for 7 in your predictions. Carter and Landry probably will lead the team in sacks with Washington in close to the top. Mcintosh will play and play well, and Marshall will have a good season moving back outside to WLB. But come on man....fumblya slippy fingers our #1 CB if that's the case we have had a terrible season and they've signed me and five of my friends to replace every other injured corner on our team. Monte will not beat out Griffin, Golston, or a healthy Big Joe for a starting spot. Mike Espy? Really? You joking right? Ahead of Moss, RE, LLoyd, and Thrash....I doubt it. He looked great in the pre-season but that was against 3rd string D's with the actual best QB on our roster (Campbell) throwing to him. And on to Campbell, I think he will be great, I really do, he will have a solid year of around 3,000 yards passing and probably 18 td's and like 10 to 12 picks. But that's not Pro Bowl caliber. With in three years he will be there I think, but this year he is gonna have his 300 yard 3 td games and he is gonna have is 115 yard 2 INT games as well. And I'm sorry he won't have better years than McNabb, Bulger, Romo, Brees, Hasselback, or Delhomme and don't forget about Garcia, the way Grossman started last year, and Kitna now has Williams, Johnson, and Furrey to throw to. My point being, the kid is gonna be good, but give him some time to reach greatness, Pro Bowl is just unrealistic at this point.

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Jack - He had Espy as the #4 receiver

Posted by: CC | May 17, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Who is he better than out of those 4? Our #4 is Thrash, your nuts if you think that's gonna change while Gibbs is coaching, he loves the guy. He's the Mark Brunel of WR's!

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"And I'm sorry he won't have better years than McNabb, Bulger, Romo, Brees, Hasselback, or Delhomme"

Are you a Redskins fan really? I can't believe you avtually put Tony Homo's name in there. He will be mediocre at best. McNabb will no doubt get hurt and knocked out for the season leading to him being traded after next season. Delhomme will get benched for Carr. I've heard the same thoughts from Panthers fans themselves. But Bulger, Brees and Hasselback have a shot. JC could be a sleeper though. He's got the weapons to get it done.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I will beat out Lloyd for his spot before the season starts.

Posted by: Mike Espy | May 17, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. 5:47 was me.

Posted by: Anon | May 17, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I've met Lloyd (he was really nice) and he is not a big dude.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I meant to say Lloyd was as big as our starting corners (6'0" and 190-200 lbs). But, in comparison to the other WRs (other than Ryan Hoag), he is a big dude.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I think that Lloyd is going to have the proverbial "break-out" year.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 17, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

JACK - I put Mike Espy winning #4 WR spot not the #1......ROFL....so I don't really see the point of bringing up Moss, RE, or Lloyd....and yes I think he'll beat out Thrash for #4, Thrash stays at depth and special teams marvel.

Montgomery maybe a reach but we'll see, Griffin obviously starts but the other spot is wide open and Monte's got as good a shot as Salavea or Golston....My pick is Monte. Wynn will get his snaps here too but not as a starter.

Rogers will be much improved and is going to surprise people and Springs will dominate and stay heathier on other side. if Rogers had great hands he'd be a WR, but were talking corners and we had much bigger problem's in our secondary last year than Rogers.

As far as Campbell, we'll see come season end but your list of NFC QB's is far from impressive with Brees being the only one without a ton of question marks around him.

Posted by: Mike C | May 17, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Skin PAtrol - You must also look at those salaries of people who are to earn $4 Mil plus for the year be cause you can easily convert those into signing bonuses and spread them (Daniels and Washington I klnkow for a fact off the top of my head)......"

I did comment that restructures were going to be one of the two primary means of clearing salary cap space, though for reasons stated above I have issue with that particular approach.

"So, in so many words, the basic thesis of this blog, SP, is that there are many factors at play in evaluating who will be a cap casualty and that there are many factors that good teams, like the Patriots, use to evaluate who should go and when to spend. Right?"

I think the basic thesis would be that the 'Skins are not in salary cap disaster and will manage to get below the salary cap in 2008 no matter what. However, based on how much we have invested in current contracts, some of the players on the roster now won't be there in 2008. That's about the least controversial point a person could make, because I was hesitant to write an earth shattering thesis on someone else's blog for fear of criticism. I didn't think my guest blog went strongly anti or pro the Redskins (I thought it was quite neutral, really, and did little more than provide info on the Redskins upcoming salary cap) though that did not shield me from criticism. Oh well.

I think the general consensus among this peanut gallery was that the mathlete nonsense has no place. All apologies for that, though I'm sure tomorrow's (or tonight's?) guest blog will return order and make all things right in the universe. Thanks to everyone who read it the blog, cheers and HTTR.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

In that last game against the Giants, it surprised me that, for those last two passes, they put the game in Patten's hands rather than Thrash's.

Cheyenne, I also think back acne will have a breakout year, but I do agree that Espy has as much a shot as any of the other WRs recently added to the roster to compete for Patten's spot, esp. if they can get him into the return game. I remember Espy getting tries at KR (PR?) in the pre-season and figured that his nothing-special performance was the reason he didn't make the roster.

Does Derrick Blaylock have any return game in him? Seems like Blaylock and Rock C. are fighting for the same job.

Posted by: dcsween | May 17, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

mugamack the link is not working it just gives a picture and that's it...thanks, please try to find another Video of you can

Posted by: Ben | May 17, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Ben-

Go to the link. Scroll down to where it says "Catch a Recap". Click on picture of Caron Butler, or the word "More..." that is in yellow. A new window should open up and the show will start playing in a few seconds (you may have to accept cookies from the BET site for this to work).

Portis is interviewed in sections 2 and 3. I think the quote you are looking for is in section two, but the whole interview is interesting.

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Daniels has 1.1M in 2008, prorated over three remaining years is 366K. That's 734K saving.

Ladell Betts has 2.1M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 420K per year. That's 1.7M savings.

Andre Carter has 2.4M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 480K. That's 1.92M savings.

Brandon Lloyd has 1.8M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 360K. That's 1.44M savings.

Antwaan Randle-El has 1.5M in 2008, prorated over 5 years is 300K. That's 1.2M in savings.

So overall, that's about 7 mil like you said. But a couple of problems with your original post. First off, the total in salaries paid is $124M, not $128M (according to thewarpath). That's salaries paid. So subtract that $7M and that meets the projected $117M. Then you factor in something called the Rule of 51. This rule basically states that only the highest paid 51 players count towards the cap. So the bottom 30 guys that are training camp guys or practice squad guys don't count but were included in the $124M. That lowers the number by $8.5M. Now we're looking at $108.5M. Cutting Brunell nets us another $2.4M ($106.1M), Phillip Daniels another $3M ($103.1M) and James Thrash $.6M ($102.5M).
Assuming Laron Landry gets $15M in bonuses and $25M in salary for 5 years (it's so much easier). We are looking at about $3M for him next year ($106.5M). That leaves us $11.5M in the bank.
So who needs to be signed???
Chris Cooley, Lamar Marshall, Pierson Prioleau, Derrick Frost, Mike Pucillo, Taylor Whitley, Ethan Albright, Dave Macklin, Jason Fabini and Shaun Suisham. Assuming similar salaries for all but Chris Cooley. That number jumps is about $5M. That leaves $7.5 in the bank. Assuming we give Cooley a 7 year, $35M contract with $10M in bonuses, his number is around $2M. That leaves $5.5M before restructures for the rookies. I didn't have us resigning Todd Collins, Wynn or Salave'a.
Gripe away.

Posted by: The dude | May 17, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Messed up on my math, after the rule of 51, a more astute reader would note that the number is $3M too high. So every number after that, subtract $3M. Also, I worked off of the $124M number, so prorating those bonuses would subtract another $7M. So all my total cap numbers after the rule of 51 explanation are $10M too high. So in the end, with that Landry and Cooley estimation, we have $15.5 for free agents and rooks. Sorry for the confusion!

Posted by: The dude | May 17, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I misread something, ignore my second post. The $5.5M is the correct number.

Posted by: The dude | May 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I misread something, ignore my second post. The $5.5M is the correct number.

Posted by: The dude | May 17, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

x=y+z squared divided by 3.14x5.32-8.1+2.35

All of this is too confusing. Just let the cap geniuses do their job. We'll be fine.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me if the skins are over or under the salary cap and by how much for 2007 and 2008. Thank you.

Posted by: Skid Marx | May 17, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Z is condescending to not one but TWO Redskins fans in answering his mail this week:

"Here we go again. Mike of Rye, N.Y., asks why only John Riggins of the great Redskin teams of the '80s is the only one selected from those outfits? Mike, you just missed it. The millionth person to ask that question was going to win the prize of a case of Iams Hairball Care cat food, endorsed by Little Jake the Tabby and many others, and you fell only two short. Sorry.

Here's the answer, for the millionth time. It's possible for teams to have a roster of great players, but not necessarily Hall of Fame great. For instance, aside from Tom Brady, who are your Hall of Fame Patriots from their Super Bowl run? OK, on those Redskin teams, of the players you named I'll give you Darrell Green. Definitely should be in there. Russ Grimm? Borderline. Jacoby? Maybe in a lean year, but there have been better linemen. May and Bostic? C'mon now. You're reaching. Art Monk? He's been a finalist so many times that I'll bet that he'll make it one of these years, just so we won't have to keep arguing about him for all eternity. And thank you for your kind words about my Thinking Man's Guide."

"From Will of the Bronx, describing the defensive scheme of Washington's Gregg Williams: "They hold the offensive line at the point of attack with their front four and blitz with the linebackers, safeties and corners. That's why GW is considered the most aggressive blitzing coordinator in the game. Now they have depth in the secondary, which they lacked last year, and they will return to 2005 form."

Well, let's check this out. Last year D-linemen accounted for 13 of the team's 19 sacks. In '05 it was 16 of 35, but I don't know how many of LBs Marcus Washington and Chris Clemons' 9 1/2 sacks were generated from a down lineman position, since either of them would play the rush-end in the nickel. But why quibble? You're a good, loyal Redskins fan, Will, and you've done your homework and I'm proud of you."


I'm not sure what I'm enjoying more, the prospect of Dr. Z voting Art Monk into the Hall out of sheer exasperation, or the prospect of Dr. Z having to explain himself in person to Richard Seymore and Rodney Harrison.

If he's already getting a million letters from disgruntled Redskins fans, why piss Pats fans, off the most ornery group of fans out there? I guess Z's old, so he likes the attention.

The whole Dr. Z article can be found here:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/dr_z/05/17/vick.to/index.html


Posted by: mugamack | May 17, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Jason I love your blogs, but please stop ruining your rep by having clowns like Skinpatrol posting this garabe. Someone needs to patrol SkinPatrol's stupidity.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to Clinton's interview, Mug. That was great! Clinton is hilarious.....referred to Snyder as "my man."

Clinton has been wearing that green and yellow striped hoodie for about a week now. What's up with that?

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Another '07 PREDICTION...


Tony Romo gets injured in the first game against the Skins....

I got Taylor takin' him out...

Posted by: Brandon | May 17, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The dude-

"Then you factor in something called the Rule of 51. This rule basically states that only the highest paid 51 players count towards the cap. So the bottom 30 guys that are training camp guys or practice squad guys don't count but were included in the $124M. That lowers the number by $8.5M. Now we're looking at $108.5M."

I don't know where you got the 8.5M. Per the Warpath page, the numbers available are for 54 players. Eliminate the cheapest 3 and you shave off just 1M or so, though even that is misleading as per your explanation you cut MB, Phillip Daniels, and James Thrash, all of whom would be included in the 51. As all need to be replaced, you need to factor in their replacements costs. The 2007 roster as of April 30th, per Warpath, had around 72 players and the Rule of 51 shaved off just 7M of that (less once they update with Landry's contract). Again, I just don't know where you're getting the 8.5M, though I'm interested to learn.

I like your numbers on Cooley and all the rest. I think it is feasible that we could get to millions below the Salary Cap prior to restructures, which I view as a real positive. It requires some cuts, obviously (Daniels and Thrash for instance), but nothing catastrophic.

I don't think there's much to gripe about in that situation unless one is married to Phillip Daniels. I like James Thrash more for his work ethic than anything, so I'd like to keep him on the team. Then again, there are no sacred cows when you're 5-11 so... whatever we need to do to get underneath the cap, we'll do.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 17, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

...Not to worry though,

They got Brad Johnson at second-string..

I hear he's pretty good....

Posted by: Brandon | May 17, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

cowboys suck
blloyd sucks for now
resign cooley
love gibbs hyping up reaper
no more talk of portis and tendinitis
keep the guest blogs coming
some skins chatter is better than none

Posted by: cdubb | May 17, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

lisa -

whats been going on over at the wiz blog? any good info on player moves or just typical offseason jibber jabber?

Posted by: tmac | May 17, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Is it stupid to pay 200 for a seat to get ridiculed by Eagles fans on for their home opener on Monday night? We better come to play.

Posted by: cdubb | May 17, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, I took out the salaries of guys like Cedric Bonner and Bryant Shaw because there is little chance they'll be in the "top 51" category.
I did a quick recount, and the cap number I gave you had 39 players on it. So you got another 12 players that need to fit in $5.5M mark. Most of them are going to be in the 400k mark, with 3 or 4 players getting significant money. We'll have to restructure some players, but nothing unmanageable.

Posted by: The dude | May 17, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse


The salary cap is too complicated to figure out in real life, yet alone in a blog.

Here are list of players I think should be cut or forced to restructure in the 2009 (?) season..(the season after this upcoming one).

Brunell - cut

Collins (current 3rd string QB)- cut

Philip Daniels - cut (unless he takes the bare minimum)

Renaldo Wynn - cut (same here)

Lemar Marshall - cut (yes, he's versatile, but he will be 30/31)

Brandon Lloyd - cut if he bombs again.

Chris Samuels - cut if he doesn't restructure and find a replacement! Todd Wade??

Jon Jansen - restructure (big mistake givin g him a contract extension)

Randel-El- restructure

Carlos Rogers - cut if he bombs again

Shawn Springs - cut if he doesn't restructure

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 17, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"Chris Samuels - cut if he doesn't restructure and find a replacement! Todd Wade??

Jon Jansen - restructure (big mistake givin g him a contract extension)"


Yeah - You must be smoking that good DC crack. Two of the best Tackles in the league and lifetime Redskins and you want to cut them.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

If we go down season is over.

Posted by: Samuels / Campbell | May 17, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is a quarter horse? A horse with one leg??

Posted by: kost52 | May 17, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If we go down season is over.

Posted by: Manning / Brady and many others | May 17, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

If I go down then you're in luck.

Posted by: Jenna Jameson | May 17, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins season is the only one that matters.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | May 17, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

TELL ME AGAIN WHAT TEAM WAS 5-11 AND WHAT TEAM MADE THE PLAYOFFS?

JACKARSE!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA 'BOYS RULE, SKINNIES DROOL!!!!!!
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I love how this clown boasts about a team whose quarterback can't grip a football long enough to let teeny-weeny martini kick with his nubby little leg.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 17, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

kost, perhaps it will help if we use its full name, the American Quarter Horse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Quarter_Horse

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 17, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

FYI...I have it on good authority that BOOFER is actually Chris Larry. you can choose to believe or not believe, but it is what it is.

P.S....I just cracked the mystery of 4th floor changing his name to ES temporarily.

Posted by: Blog Police | May 17, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

tmac,

There is really nothing going on over at the Wiz blog. Ivan (the NBA sportswriter) has not posted a new thread in over a week.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Mike C, I'll bet whatever you want that Espy doesn't beat out Thrash while Joe Gibbs is the head coach. And Anon, it's pretty easy to say that if someone gets hurt they'll have a bad year, no kidding, but if Mcnabb is healthy, I'm sorry Campbell won't have a better year than him. And Delhomme is on a make or break year but he is a pretty darn good QB and having a healthy Steve Smith for the whole season and Dwayne Jarret was the steal of the draft he will have a good year you watch. And I am a die-hard skins fan, I just think that being a fan doesn't mean you have the right to be ridiculously optomistic and un-realistic. Campbell is a first year starter for a 5-11 team, he's not going to the pro bowl. I do think he will have a heck of a first year and the Skins are going to go 8-8 or 9-7 and may sneak into the playoffs, but I'm tired of hearing all the fans saying ooh ooh we're going to the Super Bowl, that's the exact attitude that made us sign people like Archuletta and Duckett and all the other dumb moves we've done since the Danny took office. Why don't we shoot for a rebuilding year, maybe sneak into the playoffs and build on a bright young core (Campbell, Portis, Cooley, Moss, Taylor, Landry, and McIntosh) and start building a perennial contender not shooting for a one-hit wonder every year. Just so tired of listening to everyone put unrealistic expectations on a mediocre team. I love em, and will watch every second of every game praying for the best, but I'm not going to fool myself by expecting greatness from a undertalented, old, aging, injury-prone, or inexperienced roster at all the key spots on the field. (D-line, O-line, QB, and Corner) Our only true talent spots other than Samuels and Jansen at tackle are at non-essential positions, RB, WR, LB, and Safety. Teams are built around good QB's and being able to dominate both lines of scrimage. We are currently solid on O-line, but depth is questionable and the window is closing fast on the productivity of Thomas, Rabach, and Jansen. Our D-line is a joke, our best corner can't stay on the field, and while Campbell is promising and I think will be great he needs time to develop into a star. This will not be a Championship year, the sooner we all accept that, the more we can enjoy the progress and the season.

Posted by: Jack | May 17, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Who needs a mustache?

Posted by: Dirty Sanchez | May 17, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, Ivan needs to get back to work and give us the scoop on whats happening with our wiz. I am eager to see what Grunfeld gets for Haywood.

Posted by: tmac | May 17, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Who needs a mustache?

Posted by: Dirty Sanchez | May 17, 2007 10:48 PM

NOT ME!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 17, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Jack. You are a real downer. Personally, I don't think anyone (or many) on this blog are expecting Super Bowl. We've been watching this team for far too long in despair to fantasize about that. But it's the offseason and we are allowed to ease up on the "doom and gloom" that we usually experience during the season.

Truthfully, we never know what will happen with ANY team.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks like somebody has a case of the Mondays!

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 17, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Len P causing trouble again with the Skins and Briggs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2873882

Posted by: calebt17 | May 17, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

So Portis has tendinitis in his knee and is going to see the Alabama doctor - is this new news? Or am I just out of the loop?

Posted by: RBD202 | May 17, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor missed OTAs last week because he took a trip to the Virgin Islands. They are now called "The Islands".

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 17, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate! I was pretty certain that a quarter horse had more than one leg, but thought it was a type of use, rather than an actual breed. The things you learn on RI!!

Posted by: kost52 | May 17, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

RBD202,

Gibbs reported today that Portis appears to have tenditis in his knee so they are sending him to Dr. Andrews in Birmingham to check it out but ALL the athletes go to Dr. Andrews.

Posted by: Lisa | May 17, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Portis' knee is a new thing, if it really is tendonitis it should be no big deal, quite possibly overwork. [He probably can't do the kind of upper body work he'd like.]
If you start hearing about scoping the knee, then it might be time to start worrying.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 17, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

About CP ("Are you with me?!"): Yipes -- anyone got Matt Millen's number? Maybe that guy TJ Duckett is available . . . I hear he comes pretty cheap.

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 18, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, do they have a camera in Dr. Andrews' office? If so, when will you have the MRI results? ;-)

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I think he'll be fine,like Cload said, but it does make the Blaylock signing look like a great move doesn't it.

Posted by: kost52 | May 18, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

"Our only true talent spots other than Samuels and Jansen at tackle are at "non-essential" positions, RB, WR, LB, and Safety."

WTF? This year the 'skins will just line up with O-line and QB. We don't need RBs and WRs - they are non-essential. Usually they're called skill positions, but who needs talent there. Not us. Jack, your negativity is boring. Have hope.

Yes, teams should be built around dominating both lines of scrimmage. Ideally on defense you can do this with just the front four. Now our D coach seems to like to play with LBs and safeties. Maybe it will become the new paradigm for controlling the line of scrimmage. [I'm not saying...]

However, the NFC is WIDE open. It is not luck that brought us that playoff victory two seasons ago. It is a sub-par NFC and a team that blew up the division (5-1). Gibbs has never been outstanding in the divison. In his first term he wouldn't lose to the AFC and go 4-4 or 5-3 in the division (8-4, or 9-3) Now you have to win the division games. IF they do that, then playoffs are for sure.

I think they can. Every team in the NFC has major holes. The 'skins is obviously the D-line. Last I checked, the Giants have a new running game,some solid D-line players but nothing behind them; the Eagles still need recievers and the D has seen way better days; the cowboys have dung for an O-line and hardly a running game to speak of.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 18, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update on CP. Never had tendinitis but it seems like it might be one of those nagging things - kind of like a wife.... Sorry - couldn't resist. There is a lot of time til September though so I assume it will be fine.

Posted by: RBD202 | May 18, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

There are many adjectives you could use to describe the Giants' running game. "New" is among the kindest.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

And the giants LB corps is so solid that they'll probably sign Al Wilson because he's still an upgrade even if he can only look to the left.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

And the CowPies' big offseason upgrade was to address their pathetic o-line by -- wait for it -- resigning three of their players and bringing in "the phantom of the buffet"...

Thank goodness they have a QB who clearly enjoys running for his life.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The G-men could play Eli at linebacker and it would be an improvement!

Posted by: kost52 | May 18, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles don't have to be any damn good to have our number, it seems. The only thing we really have going for us is that the game at Philly is early, and I'll bet McNabb will struggle early. Knee injuries are a beeotch.

But if you ignore the history, their defense is starting to show some cracks and their offense is simply not scary.

So why not plan on a playoff run? They did it last year [by "did it" I mean plan] with far less talent!

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Eli has that look of panic that really would work against him at LB.

Come to think of it, it ain't a good thing at QB either!

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Cload, the problem with that, is I agree the Eagles offense doesn't seem scary, but where did it finish last year? I'm pretty sure it was ranked in the top 3!

Posted by: kost52 | May 18, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you about McNabb, you look at Carson Palmer, he wasn't playing at his high standard last season, let alone in his first few games, and that was probably considered a good comeback from injury. If McNabb is seriously threatened by the drafting of Kolb, and the fact that they have A.J. Feely and Kelly Holcomb also on the roster, he might push too, hard too quick and end up in a situation similar to Daunte Culpepper, come back too early and do more harm than good.

Posted by: kost52 | May 18, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Eagles had a great passing offense last year, helped immeasurably by two games against us. They did not upgrade at WR, and Curtis has to prove he can be a solid #1 receiver and not just a good #3. It may all work out for the best for them, but you could easily paint a picture where McNabb is rusty, Curtis doesn't have that extra gear to get open, and suddenly the pressure is on.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 18, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

So the Redskins ar 9/2 to win the NFC East.

Would you take that bet?

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

muga, what's the line on the other three teams for the NFC East title?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

I expect another tight year, with the Iggles and Cowboys vying for the 1-2 spots and us right behind, doing our best to put the Jints in the cellar. I'm hoping for better than that for the Skins, just trying to manage expectations...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Dallas Cowboys
7/4

New York Giants
5/2

Philadelphia Eagles
7/4

Washington Redskins
9/2

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Trying to not be a homer, but the NFC East seems wide open...

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Getting three teams into the playoffs last season was impressive. (I do wish we'd been one of them.) Yeah, yeah, it was a crap year for the conference, but still doggone impressive. Don't have any idea whether it means anything for 07, but anyway...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 2:13 AM | Report abuse

"Marshall said he met with new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who told him that Washington, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh would be the starters, but that Marshall would have an opportunity to compete for a first-string job."

Looks like Rockymac might get his chance this year after all. Hope he really gels playing beside fletcher. We are 1 solid d lineman away from a halfway reliable defence.

Posted by: Brutus | May 18, 2007 3:03 AM | Report abuse

"Marshall said he met with new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who told him that Washington, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh would be the starters, but that Marshall would have an opportunity to compete for a first-string job."

Looks like Rockymac might get his chance this year after all. Hope he really gels playing beside fletcher. We are 1 solid d lineman away from a halfway reliable defence.

Posted by: Brutus | May 18, 2007 3:03 AM | Report abuse

"Marshall said he met with new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who told him that Washington, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh would be the starters, but that Marshall would have an opportunity to compete for a first-string job."

Looks like Rockymac might get his chance this year after all. Hope he really gels playing beside fletcher. We are 1 solid d lineman away from a halfway reliable defence.

Posted by: Brutus | May 18, 2007 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Sweet a triple post. Dont know how it happened but I guess it still counts toward the 100k.

Posted by: Brutus | May 18, 2007 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Longest stretch ever without a comment posted? Sheesh... not even a chirp from the Crickets...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Anywayz...


The Cowboys lost Parcells, the Giants lost Tiki (THEIR OFFENSE), and the Eagles lost thier #1 reciever from last season (Stallworth). The Skins' ofcourse lost Dockery, and that hurts. But we couln't afford the guy, and he got what he deserved elsewhere...


T.O. still thinks he's the priority reciever in Dallas, but when he discovers (next season) the ball is mainly heading in Glenn's direction. He won't be able to keep his big mouth shut, and he'll find a way to screw up that situation.

The Giants should have fired Coughlin, but instead let him sign a single-year contract. Sounds like they really trust the guy. Can't wait to see their rushing-game next year...


The Redskins and Eagles are top runners in the division this year. Hate to say this as Skins' fan, but I forsee McNabb having his best season this year. It all seems lined up for him. BUT.. they don't a top-reciever, come to think of it... I can't name one...


Campbell will shock the country this year, and he has all the necessary tools to do so. Moss, Randle El, Lloyd, Thrash, Cooley, and not one, but two talented RBs.

Skins allowed 19 sacks last season, 3rd best in the NFL. Only 7 of those were on current starter-Jason Campbell. The man is more experienced now.

All I'm trying to say is...


REDSKINS SUPER BOWL XLII CHAMPS!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brandon | May 18, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the bad grammar.....


I got caught up in the heat of the moment.

Posted by: Brandon | May 18, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

AS FOR THE LINEBACKERS...

LOLB: MARCUS WASHINGTON

MLB: LONDON FLETCHER

ROLB: LEMAR MARSHALL (THAT'S RIGHT)

Posted by: Brandon | May 18, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Brandon,

Thanks a lot - you just jinxed us!

There are holes in your prediction:

The Cowboys players appear to be relieved that Parcells is gone and will most likely play better for Phillips.

Latest news from Giants coaches is that Brandon Jacobs is FASTER than Tiki. Not to mention Jacobs is a really big dude and hard to bring down.

McNabb will be back - fighting for his future - and the Eagles now have Takeo Spikes. The reason I mention this is because I saw Brian Dawkins interviewed and he was excited beyond belief about playing with Spikes.

Posted by: Lisa | May 18, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Somebody take me through the 2007 season game by game and break it down for as far as how you see Jason Campbell progressing from the week before in reading defensive schemes and finding the open receiver.

Posted by: Montana'skins Fan | May 18, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Latest news from Giants coaches is that Brandon Jacobs is TRASH and is too big to carry the ball more than 15 times a game

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Brandon Jacobs has the endurance to be a complete threat, especially during the second half of the year. I believe he'll wear down. And Reuben Droughns replacing Jacobs is not exactly a RB teams fear.

Also, hopefully Wade Phillips' laid back personality will result in the team having a laid back approach. An approach that leads to many "lack of focus" penalities. False starts, illegal motion, delay of games, etc. Kind of like the Redskins during Gibbs' first year back...

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play

15 Yard personal foul on Joe Gibbs for letting the players workout off site during the winter.

Two most explosive offensive weapons injured during OTA's.

Boo

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, those injuries could be a blessing in disguise. Get those two dudes plenty of rest. Portis and Moss do NOT need crazy reps the way everyone else does.

Betts needs as much practice as possible, with everyone barking at him to hold on to the damn ball. Rock and Mookie need to settle the third-RB question.

Lloyd, ARE and Cooley need to catch a bazillion more balls from Campbell to get that chemistry going. (Moss has demonstrated that you can pretty much chuck the ball downfield and he'll get it.)

So I for one am not worried about these injuries... assuming they're minor and don't linger into August.

Now the strong side LB's hip, and the backup QB's shoulder, those seem like reason for concern.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I am in NYC. Your overreacting about Brandon Jacobs. First of all he runs to tall, so while big his center of gravity is higher thus easier to knock off his feet. Faster than Tiki? Thats spin and bored off season blabber....I predict Rueben Droughns get the 60-40 split of the carries.

The Giants will desperately miss Tiki Barber.

Posted by: chris larry | May 18, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Jack is a Jack-A$$

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

All,
Two pieces of recomended reading and then my insite:
1. According to that post article this morning about #53 Washington, the new OLB coach said the starting linup is
LOLB: Mr. Washington D.C., MLB: LBF, ROLB: I-MacIntosh. with Lamar rotating in and out of linup. Also FYI Moss injured his groin and Portis has tendinitus. Both facts suck toes.

2. On Redskins.com they had an interview with Smoot where he said that he wants to go back to playing 1-1 coverage like he did here back in the day. Also says that he hates playing zone like he did in Min.


My thoughts: I think Rogers is probably a zone guy and can't cover for his life (the anti-smoot). & Silvier Sean Springs can do it all when healthy.

I think we need to start using a 3-4 comboed with a 4-6 on run plays. We have the personall for this, 4 starters at LB and kick ass Safties. Having 4 guys in that mid level of the D is clutch to taking out a team with a good RB and TE, like Dallas or NYG. Also if we are only playing 3 DL then we solve some of the depth problems we got there. This would also allow guys like Smoot & Springs to go and do the 1-1 coverage and bring in Carlos for a nickel situation.

By the way I developed this D-scheme when playing Madden a few years back, I have way too much free time, for the most part it works better against the run. Zone does not work well with this, but zone does not work well in Madden anyway.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

PS: To Nate

The skins are going to the Lombarti look for 2 games this season to commemerate the 75 year aniv.

For those who do not know this is the uniform Vince gave us when was to be the coached in DC. It is the gold helmet with Red R & feather.

They have not announced the uniforms but I am guessing it will be the away equivalent of the 70th aniv.

Personally I would not mind the skins wearing retro stuff more, the 70th uniform looked like a Skins meet Steelers combo. Though many will disagree with me on that look.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Mugamack et al,

Portis gave an interview to I belive SportsTalk 980 right after the season in which he said a lot of interesting things and a number of negative things. His words on Lloyd were somewhat cryptic but very telling. He said when Lloyd joined the team that he Portis was his biggest fan. By the end of the year, Portis said that Lloyd had turned Portis against him and that Portis said something to the effect of (and I am paraprhasing) "it tells you something about Lloyd's personality when even his biggest supporter (i.e., Portis) turns on him."

I'll see if I can find a link somewhere. I was like "wow" when I heard that.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the Play

15 Yard late hit penalty on 35332 for using a VIDEO game as a reference in making a point about a real world defense that may work.

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Ravens | Gregg not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:45:16 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens DT Kelly Gregg is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Anderson not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:44:41 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens RB Mike Anderson is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Pryce not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:44:13 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens DE Trevor Pryce is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Rolle not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:43:47 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens CB Samari Rolle is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | McAlister not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:43:24 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens CB Chris McAlister is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Reed not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:43:03 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens S Ed Reed is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Flynn not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:42:44 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens C Mike Flynn is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Ogden not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:42:13 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens OT Jonathan Ogden is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Suggs not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:41:43 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens LB Terrell Suggs is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

Ravens | Lewis not attending practices
Thu, 17 May 2007 15:41:05 -0700

The Associated Press reports Baltimore Ravens LB Ray Lewis is not attending the team's voluntary practice sessions.

And the Redskins take all kinds of crap when Sean Taylor misses one week of voluntary work!

Posted by: HowBoutDemSkins! | May 18, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

HowBout, and we didn't have any DUIs this offseason, did we?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Why do I have the sinking feeling that the Portis knee tendonitis thing will be a lingering issue all year? Didn't we hear the same thing about LB Mike Barrow a few year ago? Did he ever play another down in the NFL? Oh God, dark clouds moving in, getting cold... so cold.

Posted by: Diesel | May 18, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm really late on the NYG running game conversation....but have no fear, Jacobs is not very good. I also live in NYC, and he got incredibly hyped up last year after a great preseason, Tiki even said he wanted Jacobs to take some of his carries around the goaline. Well that didn't really happen.....as was stated, Jacobs runs upright, and thus doesnt use his size well..........it wouldn't surprise me to see the Giants have a pretty bad season with Eli being Eli and Tiki not around......that D also doesnt exactly scare me

Posted by: Jon | May 18, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

35332, thanks for the inside dope on throwback unis! I just want them to look cool.

The Lombardi yellow helmets sound pretty nice. Funny that we and the Steelers will both be wearing yellow/gold throwback helmets this season.

I'll hold out hope that the helmet design with a big feather down the center line and blank sides, my favorite from the archives, will be used for the 77th anniversary throwbacks.

I am not a fan of gold/yellow pants, which IMO was the Achilles' heel of the 70th uni. And I think that's what you were alluding to with the Steelers comment.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

How is one suposed to test a hypothisis for a NFL Defenseive scheme withough owning their own NFL team other then a computer simulation?

Also thats a 10 yard penelty at most. I could see adding another 5 yards for incedental uniform talk but you gotta make the call correctly.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Ref timeout

Replay First down. Diesel mentioned Mike Barrow but should have mentioned LaVar Arrington.

Same Dr Anderson. So if the FO messes up scouts, can it be safe to say they aint got a clue about their team surgeon?

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Nate,

FYI, the Philly throwback is also a yellow helmet, with the blue wings or whatever the f*** they are.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

For those who asked,

Portis speaking on Lloyd, Brandon is at the following link (minutes 20:00 to 21:20). It is not pretty but then again Portis was harsh on a lot of people in this interview:

http://www.sportstalk980.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=JohnThompson.xml

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Oh right, I forgot about the Swedish National American Football Team's throwbacks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ref timeout

Replay First down. Diesel mentioned Mike Barrow but should have mentioned LaVar Arrington.

Same Dr Anderson. So if the FO messes up scouts, can it be safe to say they aint got a clue about their team surgeon?

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 10:17 AM


Zebra

Deisel is correct on Barrow. You might have missed him since he was injured in the preseason ( may have been minicamp) and never played a down. As far as DR. Andrew's he is the "surgeon for the stars". All NFL teams use him, as Lisa mention earlier. I do not think the FO can mess that one up.

Posted by: DC in DC | May 18, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Ludefisk! Ludefisk! Leska! Leska!
Let's go Iggles!
Yah, You betchya!

(new swedish pride/Eagles cheer)

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I went to training camp the day after Barrow got hurt. He tried to practice and did two drill then promptly had to be carried off. No specific cause of the injury was obvious.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope that they are wearing those when McNabb gets his season ending injury for the next year. Just so it stays in the highlight real. I am not wishing an injury on him, I just accept that it will happen.

...Does anyone know where you can find a video clip of Arrington's career ending hit on Troy Achman? I need a good pick me up.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Ludefisk! Ludefisk! Leska! Leska!
Let's go Iggles!
Yah, You betchya!

(new swedish pride/Eagles cheer)

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 10:44 AM"

LMAO

I think we shoud go with "Mellow Yellow" if we end up wearing gold pants with the retro R helmets. Or change our name to the yellowskins.

PS I am sick of not seeing the skins wearing their home jerseys.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

New post ya'all

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hey 35332,I have this play that I use on GameDay 04' called "Twin Devils" out of a 3 receiver formation.Its like the computer sees me getting ready to run it,BUT THEY JUST CANT STOP ME!!!! I BE BALLIN'!!!!!

Posted by: dawglbs | May 18, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Latest news from Giants coaches is that Brandon Jacobs is FASTER than Tiki. Not to mention Jacobs is a really big dude and hard to bring down.

Posted by: Lisa | May 18, 2007 08:53 AM

The only way that Brandon Jacobs is faster than Tiki is on a toboggan.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting blog. Firstly if Skins fans want the most accurate cap information on their team this is the site they need to visit as the information references NFLPA information from an informed source (and the not the NFPLA web site either).

http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salaries%20Pages%20Summary.html

I provide cap information and expertise to the Scout CPND site.........
http://redskins.scout.com

Now on to points in the blog

1.The salary cap can go up OR down from one year to the next because it is tied to trigger points relating to how much of league revenues are passed on to players in any league year. The CBA sets this out explicity in ARTICLE XXIV Section 4.

2.Interesting spin on Springs "health". From 2002-05 inclusive he played 57 out of 64 regular season games - hardly fragile, and while he was injured for a good part of last year, the difference in how the defense played when he was in there to when he was'nt was chalk and cheese. Big cap number or not - he is still far and away the best CB on this team, and I can't see him going anywhere until that changes - despite his cap number.

3. Lloyd had an initial $5m SB and a $5m option bonus paid this year. He also has a $1.8m roster bonus due in 2008. He will count $4.238m in 2008 to keep, and if he gets cut prior to that roster bonus falling due his dead cap hit in 2008 would be $7.167m - you do the maths.

4. You forgot to use the guaranteeing of roster bonuses due in 2008 as a way of alleviating cap problems - the Skins have $9m tied up here at the moment in 2008. Spreading them out helps.

5. You forgot to add that the rookies drafted last month and in 2008 will have their cap hit for 2008 added to the current value of the Skins 2008 cap number.....and that only the top 51 salaried players count against the cap until the final roster is announced.

6. Samuels is uncuttable? A post June 1 2008 release of Samuels (if we wanted to do this) would save $4.5m against the 2008 cap but add $$6.350m to the 2009 cap in dead money. However, Sameuls is due to count $8.750m in 2009 if he stays on the team. I don't follow your uncuttable logic.

Had plenty more but don't want to hog the blog. I'm happy to answer any cap question you wish to post at http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=71#S=71&F=1348&FIX=1

Posted by: PCinOz | May 19, 2007 4:37 AM | Report abuse

Why talk about the cap?


Do you really think anyone is putting any of our information/advice into serious consideration?

Your wasting your time.


Posted by: Brandon | May 19, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

this team has been built for a Joe Gibbs run for a championship.If it fails,it's fair to say that 60% (if not higher) is ready to be let go.This happened in 1993 and it will happen again.Joe Gibbs did not touch next years draft(a first in his career) for a reason.This is his final shot and he has a good chance.either way,my belief based on leaving an intact draft for next year is that he will turn it over to gregg williams and he didn't want to further hurt the franchise.He has no patience to rebuild and this team is getting old.major changes must be made next year,starting with a d-line that will be dismantled.

Posted by: old school | May 19, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

> Well, let's check this out. Last year D-linemen
> accounted for 13 of the team's 19 sacks. In '05 it > was 16 of 35, but I don't know how many of LBs
> Marcus Washington and Chris Clemons' 9 1/2 sacks
> were generated from a down lineman position, since > either of them would play the rush-end in the
> nickel. But why quibble?

Ahhmmm, sorry guy but the guy was right about linebackers blitzing. After all the hoopla surrounding the D coaching staff only one guy was terminated. That's right linebackers coach Dale Lindsay. One of last year's starting linebackers (Warrick Holdman) will likely start for Denver this year. Linebackers are supposed to account for most of the sacks. SIX of the 13 sacks came via Andre Carter. 2 I think from a CB Shawn Springs. That leaves 5.

Posted by: periculum | May 21, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

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