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Cutler: 'I Didn't Want It to Come to This'

The overnight developments in the Jay Cutler trade saga:

Cutler, interviewed by Fox Sports at a UFC event in Nashville, seems to have mixed emotions about all of this, according to Mike Klis of the Denver Post.

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports. "I didn't want to get traded. That wasn't me. They had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback, and then they didn't. I really didn't want this. I love Denver. I really like my teammates. I didn't want it to get this far."

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Broncos have informed all teams that they'd like at least two first-round draft picks for Cutler and that a trade could come as early as tomorrow. The Broncos also have told teams that receiving a quarterback in return is not a necessity.

Mike Wilbon and Tony Kornheiser weighed in on the matter on Talking Points and if you think that this reminds them of Jeff George, you'd be right.

By Cindy Boren  |  April 2, 2009; 6:39 AM ET
 
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Well after reading all the idiots last night, and there leader Peri. you would think that this deal already happened.

I will wait to see if it actually happens before I start crying about it. The Redskins are always put into these discussions to drive up price.

If this does happen I guarantee it wasn't Cerrato pushing for it, this would be a pure Snyder deal.

Stop talking about Cooley it can't happen, he would be a 11mil hit against the cap if traded. They would also have to fit Cutler under the cap, that they are already over with a Cooley trade.

The Broncos have already told teams what the price is, two first round picks that is crazy if we give them to 1st then this team is in big trouble.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

If we give up 2 first round picks for this guy, we are doomed. He is not Manning or Brady. That is a steep price to pay.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."

Yeah I want to ship off a QB that handle things like a man and bring in one that act like a child. What do you think is going to happen when things don't go Cutler way? I still don't think this thing is going down.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

"A bunch of trade talk is what got Cutler mad at Denver, that's the reason all that stuff started with him, but I wouldn't do all that. The thing you understand that there's no loyalty in this game, so you just have to work hard. That's all you can do."

Yeah I want to ship off a QB that handle things like a man and bring in one that act like a child. What do you think is going to happen when things don't go Cutler way? I still don't think this thing is going down.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Cyn. I hope all is well with you today.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

He actually had receivers in Denver. Here, not so sure he can put up those numbers. Zorn doesn't call deep passes. Now we want to waste current and future draft picks for a guy who won't be able to do what he did in Denver. Sounds Awesome. 7-9 here we come.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow. How often has Cerrato said they were not interested in Cutler? Although I don't think that Campbell is the answer for the Redskins, chasing Cutler has the faint smell of Jeff George. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I don't see anything good coming out of this.

Posted by: splitbill | April 2, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

If Cutler didn't want a trade the wtf has he been crying about for the past month?

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow. How often has Cerrato said they were not interested in Cutler? Although I don't think that Campbell is the answer for the Redskins, chasing Cutler has the faint smell of Jeff George. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I don't see anything good coming out of this.

Posted by: splitbill | April 2, 2009 7:08 AM |

The rumor cat is out of the bag, unless someone has heard this from Vinny or Snyder it has no merit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Very simple. From the Skins perspective, 2 #1's is way too much to pay. I'm not sure Cutler is an upgrade, when you consider Character. This should be one of the things Joe Gibbs taught the organization.

From a pure QB perspective, Cutler may be slightly better. But not when you consider what the clubhouse effects will be. Instead, our FO should be making every effort to solidify our draft selections.

Vinny, for once in your life, please tell Snidely to back off!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 2, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

If Cutler didn't want a trade the wtf has he been crying about for the past month?

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 7:10 AM |

OE,

He is trying to spin it now so people don't think he's a cry baby. He wanted out no doubt about it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

I am about to click on the "report abuse" button. Us Skins fans have had 10 years of abuse from a Front Office that can't look around the league and see that this way of building a team won't work. ABUSE,ABUSE,ABUSE.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Another thing to think about is when we went after big Al. How many reports came out that we was going after him? 0. If we were going after Cutler I think it would be the same way. No one would know until the deal was done.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

From PFT,

Zorn, Cerrato, Snyder Spent Huddled All Day In Snyder’s Office
Posted by Mike Florio on April 1, 2009, 10:37 p.m. EDT
We’re told via a short chain of reliable sources that things were interesting this morning in Washington.

As we hear it, Redskins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato was retrieved from draft meetings at roughly 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday to go to owner Daniel Snyder’s office. Not long thereafter, they fetched coach Jim Zorn.

And the three men remained in Snyder’s office into the evening.

The obvious implication? They’re working on this whole Jay Cutler thing.

Or maybe they were playing Call of Duty.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

2 first round picks? Are these guys on crack? He's not John Elway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

2 first round picks? Are these guys on crack? He's not John Elway.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 2, 2009 7:22 AM |

Scamp,

I don't think they are in as powerful of a position as they think. They will get a 1st this year but I doubt two 1st, they pretty much have to trade him now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Whether this turns out to be true or not, there remains one fact that can not be disputed:

Fantasy Football was based off a Dan Snyder wet dream.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 7:28 AM | Report abuse

From Bill Williamson on ESPN:

"A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington. Whatever the package, is it is going to be complicated and it could involve multiple teams."

So that would be the two 1st rounders from 2005 being cut loose. Interesting fact, Skins used the 25th pick on Campbell...which they received from Denver in a trade.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe they were playing Call of Duty.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:21 AM |
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World of Warcraft.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Time to sit back and relax. Danny and Vinny have a plan. There will be at least three if not four teams involved in multiple trades of players and draft picks. The Skins will end up with numerous first and second picks in this years and next years drafts and build a team that will set a record for winning the most consecutive Super Bowls ever.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | April 2, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

In Hawaii before the Pro Bowl, Cutler became a victim to a prank organized by fellow Pro Bowlers, Peyton Manning, Nick Mangold, and Kris Dielman. He was tossed into a pool, and even though Manning remembered to swipe away his cell phone, Cutler's blood sugar monitor was ruined. Fortunately, a replacement one was found at a drugstore, and Cutler played without incident.[52]
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The things you can learn on wikipedia.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 2, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I can see us giving up JC, Double move and 2 first round picks for Cutler. That would make perfect sense.

/end sarcasm

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told FoxSports.


And so...

...the boy has a temper-tantrum in a word of endless sports broadcasting, internet discussion, ESPN, FOXSPORTS, CBS SPORTS, etc., and thought no one would take exception and notice to his behavior....

...Wow.

And I thought the Sham-Wow Guy was the week's wack story.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

No, no, no....this cannot be happening! Lalalala I'm not listening, I'm not listening!!

Posted by: kost52 | April 2, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell Declares, “I’m A Starter”
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 7:07 a.m.
Amid published reports that the Washington Redskins are trying to swing a deal for Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, current Redskins starter Jason Campbell made clear Wednesday night that he has no intention to serve as Cutler’s — or anyone’s — backup.

“I’m a starter,” Campbell told Brett Haber of WUSA-TV, while attending a Washington Capitals hockey game.

Campbell called the Cutler situation “just a rumor,” and he explained that the team told him when Cutler-to-D.C. rumors first surfaced last month that Campbell was still “their guy.”

But Campbell hasn’t heard that again since the rumors/reports intensified on Tuesday, when the Broncos officially placed Cutler on the trading block.

The team didn’t only give Campbell assurances of his ongoing role a couple of weeks ago. They also made their position clear to the public.

Redskins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato told David Elfin of the Washington Times on March 17 that Campbell “is going to be our quarterback.”

Apparently, Cerrato forgot to add an important qualifier.

“Until early April.”

Posted by: bigfish761 | April 2, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Obviously the Skins FO does not believe Campbell is their QB of the future. After a year with Zorn, Campbell has not shown anything in the way of being able to make the offense that Jim Zorn wants work. Campbell was not drafted by Zorn and the person who did draft him, Gibbs, did not give him a ringing endorsement when he left. The signs point to Zorn, a QB guru, of a mind he can get a lot more out of Cutler or somebody else than he can out of Campbell. Hence the Skins pounced when word got out that Cutler was available. Denver's ridiculous demand of 2 1sts just shows you how desperate their situation is. Assessing the offer market at this point is anyone's guess. Maybe the FO can get creative and put together a multi-team deal that will work. But for sure, Campbell is a dead man walking into any future with the Skins. If not Cutler, Sanchez? Bradford? Remember, Matt Ryan had a good year as rookie in 2008.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 2, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Let me preface this by saying that I love Jason Campbell's character and I *really* want him to succeed here.

However, I don't think people should dismiss a potential Cutler trade as a knee-jerk reaction by an organization that has historically been prone to one.

Recall what a qb with a quick release did in the last 4 games of the 2007 season to propel the Skins into the playoffs; with almost the same weapons that Jason Campbell has. The Redskins have more weapons now. You may argue that the line is slightly weaker because of age, but perhaps the acquisition of Dockery offsets that.

What's of primary concern is

- how quickly Cutler will adapt to the system here. If the plan is to get Shanahan here in 2010 anyways, how much sense does it make to have Cutler learn a new system for one year?

- Campbell hasn't reached his limit here. Year 2 with Zorn could lead to a large increase in production.

- how much say does Zorn have in this? If he's against the Cutler signing (as he might be having invested so much time in Campbell), how much motivation will he have to do his job knowing that he's probably a lame duck coach?

Make no mistake about this, though; the acquisition of Cutler takes the Skins offense to a new level. They won't have to rely on defense to win games any longer. I expect similar results to the last 4 games of the '07 season when the Skins offense looked like a machine (this is a different system of course). The regret is that Campbell may be close to doing that as well and we'll never know...

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

The thing now is, if this all blows up in the redskins' face and they don't land Cutler, we get the, "It's a business, I understand." rap from Jason Campbell.

And you know the guy has to be in a room somewhere re-reading his rookie contract wondering where the out-clause is.

If he stays a redskin and has an excellent year, he hits the market in what might be an uncapped year (can he be franchise-tagged in such a situation?) And given the FO theatrics and forked-tongue dialogue involved in the Cutler conumdrum, why remain a redskin in 2010 if he can help it?

The team has played its hand: it intended to draft Mark Sanchez with the 13th pick. That was an option before Cutler, but it's a necessity now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Is it true Campbell was booed at the Caps game last night?

Posted by: fushezzi | April 2, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I said yesterday that this reeks of the year 2000, and I stand by it. If this happens, then this team/owner is galactically stupid, and seemingly will never learn.

The only trade I want this team to make is back in the draft. Talking about trading carlos is just dumb at this point as well. So you trade one of your best corners, and weaken that position, in an attempt to make an slight incremental gain at qb. Its not a wash, and in the long run you come out weaker than you went in.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

JC17 can be franchised, and if it's an uncapped year he would be a restricted FA.

None of this has been confirmed, so wondering how JC will respond is pointless.

JC is a Pro and a good kid, he knows this is a buisness and he will play his but off if he stays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I do not trust the reporting of Jason LaCanfora.

I thought the headline and the body of the story was dripping with unsubstantiated innuendo completely unfitting for the Post.

If you read it with a view that LaCanfora was TRYING to incite unrest within the organization, the article makes sense.

I will never read a by-line by LaCanfora again without a deep, deep sense of mistrust.

It's a shame really. And I think LaCanfora holds a personal grudge and animus against Cerrato. That may or may not be justified, but it does not belong in the Washington Post.

In my opinion, LaCanfora should be removed from the beat of the Redskins.

Posted by: MB_202 | April 2, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree with you B.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"A name surfacing around the league is Washington cornerback Carlos Rogers. He could be part of a package that would land Cutler in Washington."


Rogers and next year's number one pick will land Cutler?

The thirteenth pick will have to be M Jenkins?

The third rounder has to be a tackle or c/g type.

The 14th pick will the redskins' fanbase taking hemlock over the slug to the temple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Cutler was only sacked 11 times last season. Not sure he'll get the same luxury here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

If he stays a Redskin and has an excellent year, Snyder will make him the highest paid qb ever. Since when has our owner ever shied away from doling out big bucks to a player he covets. That's the issue; he's not sure he wants Campbell back.

Not sure that the Skins were going to draft Sanchez either; this is just a situation where a potential franchise qb became available all of a sudden and they had to pounce. When do franchise qb this young ever become available?

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Dan marino was a great Qb with a quick release. But because he didn't have a team around him, he didn't win jack.

Posted by: kost52 | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

The Broncos don't need a CB, they have two that are better then Rogers.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Morning, JM! Hope you're doing well.

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 2, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Dan marino was a great Qb with a quick release. But because he didn't have a team around him, he didn't win jack.


Posted by: kost52 | April 2, 2009 8:14 AM |

Marino's problem was his defense sucked, if he had the Skins D of the last few years he wins a few SB's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

kost52,

He went to the Super Bowl. The Skins have perenially been a top 10 defense and were number 5 last year. The Dolphins were also perennial playoff teams.

I'm not saying I want the Redskins to be like the Dolphins of the 90's and get to the playoffs and do jack. I'm saying that the Skins are the type of team that can go very far regularly with very good/great qb play.

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I came to work, hoping, REALLY HOPING, that this was a 4/1/09 type of joke. While I'm not 100 percent sold that there is anything to this, the whole thing stinks.

If they trade their first round pick, and JC for Cutler, they're just really, really unintelligent. That fixes the sieve on the ol how? That fixed the DE spot how??

very frustrating to read this crap.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Again, give me Cutler's skills with JC's personality.

I don't think Cutler is the end-all-be-all of NFL QB's, but he is 25 and young.

On the negative side, dude sounds like a headcase. "I want to get traded, I want out." A week later when he's getting traded - "I didn't want it to come to this."

Not a great sign, but who knows how this will work out.

If we can get Cutler and keep our first this year (and use it on best OT available), I think we're in pretty good shape.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

beantown

'...The only trade I want this team to make is back in the draft. Talking about trading carlos is just dumb at this point as well. So you trade one of your best corners, and weaken that position,...'

Amen.

The easiest and best route would be a slb, ot, c/g, cb, wlb, lb draft completed with dinner/'copter ride with the 13th pick and 5 new guys in redskins' jerseys by the end of April.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

can't deny that being a Skins fan keeps you on the edge of your seat every day of the year

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

This STINKS!!!!!

Now I'm not the biggest JC fan in the world but the guy hardly got a chance. Multiple head coaches, Off. Coordinators, and QB Coaches, Gibbs wouldn't let him do anything and instead rode Portis till he's just about finished, the OL has been horrible (not just bad), and receivers have done crap to help him.

JC may be the answer, or he may not, but one thing's for sure IMHO, he hasn't had a fair chance to prove it one way or the other.

If we mortgage our future (again) for the whining, cry-baby Cutler I'm FINISHED being a fan.

Snyder and Vinnie - you $uck. Please go away.

Posted by: kone | April 2, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

On the bright side, at the end of next season we won't be wishing we had Jason Campbell back, because it'll be "his first year in a new offense, it's not fair to judge him in his first year in a new offense. The reason he was average at best in his first year in a new offense is because it was his first year in a new offense."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

If trading Campbell for Cutler were the last piece in a puzzle to mold a championship team then the trade would make sense. Maybe this is the state of Danny's mind, maybe he believes that the 08 season was an aberration. Perhaps he thought that with his outstanding draft picks of 08 the team was glory bound and that we were just one qb away from paradise. No one can be that delusional, can they?

On the other hand it is discouraging to see the one position (qb)that we have actually tried to build with some forethought is about to be trashed. It is sort of like the helmsman on the Titanic remarking that the steering is acting a little stiff when he is unaware that there is a 30 foot gash below the waterline.

Posted by: driley | April 2, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

To Cutler's defense, think about it like this. You lead a team to an 8-8 record with one of the worst defenses in the league. With any other qb on the Denver roster (yes, Patrick Ramsey), that team would be 2-14.

You're pissed off at your head coach, who drafted you, getting canned. You're pissed off that your OC and mentor is gone. But, you're willing to work with the new head coach who agrees to work with you.

After a month or so, you find out that your head coach has secretly been scheming to get his own guy in there after, from all reports, having claimed that you're his guy.

Now, should Cutler have acted the way he did? It's unprofessional at best and prima-donna-ish at worst. He could have taken a page out of Campbell's book. But, I completely understand how he felt betrayed by what transpired

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

"If we can get Cutler and keep our first this year (and use it on best OT available), I think we're in pretty good shape"

Based on Denver asking for 2 First Rounders, and a QB, as their jumping off point, keeping our first this year and STILL being able to make this trade, seem impossible to do.

I can't express how stupid I think this deal, if it happens, will be. I was DEAD wrong about Haynesworth coming here, and I hope I'm DEAD right about Cutler. I just don't want this deal done...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The rumor cat is out of the bag, unless someone has heard this from Vinny or Snyder it has no merit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

fLOUNDER, i'm not sure what team/FO you've been following the last 8-10 yrs, but forgive the collective Pavlovian trepidation that some of us may be feeling. i guess we should continue to have blind faith in these knuckleheads who continually push mostly the wrong buttons

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 2, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"If trading Campbell for Cutler were the last piece in a puzzle to mold a championship team then the trade would make sense. Maybe this is the state of Danny's mind, maybe he believes that the 08 season was an aberration. Perhaps he thought that with his outstanding draft picks of 08 the team was glory bound and that we were just one qb away from paradise. No one can be that delusional, can they?"

how about maybe we're upgrading our overall talent with younger guys? Look at the youth and talent we've got right now. You don't build around young average players, you build around young very good players like Cutler, Haynesworth, and DeAngelo****.

We could be in the middle of a rebuilding process. If we make the trade without giving up too much, it would be difficult to be against it.


**** I understand DeAngelo Hall is a risk, but there's no denying his talent and youth.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Hmm - I wonder who else mentioned Jeff George yestidday...?? [DikShuttle does 'church-lady' face] hhhmmmMMMMM?!

I don't doubt the Redskins are inquiring & wondering. I sincerely hope they don't (or can't) pull the trigger.

Reading this guy's waffle after becoming trade bait just reinforces his immaturity and cave-in potential. Doesn't he have an alchohol problem too? Noooo thanks.

Oh & here's a knock on Shennanigans I didn't think of before - didn't he TRADE Portis, our one true star, for Champ Bailey?! Think THAT will sit well with your franchise player?

And finally, I'm not worried in the least about alienating a player who's one claim to fame on this team is that he MAY have potential. Soup can get his accolades after he's done something. Until then, he can struggle like all the rest.

Ok. No coffee, but I think I still put a sentece or two together there...

...mornin'...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

"When do franchise qb this young ever become available?"

When they are whiney, self absorbed dbags...so much so, that their bosses don't want them anymore.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

How quickly we fans forget!!! What, on God's green earth, makes any of us think the current front office has A CLUE how to use draft picks? I'd rather see the draft picks used to get Cutler here than watch the picks get used on a punter, kicker, or tight end.....because you KNOW something like that is coming. TRADE SNYDER!!!!

Posted by: JackKentCooksGhost | April 2, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I also don't understand the "youth" talk going on. Cutler is 25, and Campbell is 26.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

flounder

'...The Broncos don't need a CB, they have two that are better then Rogers....'

And who are those guys on a defense as porous as the one the broncos featured last season?

They have played out Champ Bailey (yes, I said that, the raider corner and chargers' corners Cromarte/Fletcher are better in that division) and added B Dawkins-- two guys who can play, but have mileage.

Carlos Rogers is an upgrade in any secondary in the league, I'm sorry: Boldin is the only player and I'd move CR for.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Dan Marino's problem is he was only interested in accumulating yards and TD's for the record book and not winning games.
The fish always seemed to play better when he was out.

Cutler is a punk! And Zorn will be fired after the Deadskins lose all their preseason games.

Can't Comrade Obama name Danny Boy Car Czar and force him to sell the Skins! Or just force him to sell the Deadskins since we now live in a the Socialist States of America where Chrysler builds Fiats like Lada did for the Soviet Union and the govt controls our lives.

Posted by: sheepherder | April 2, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

...pavlovian trepidation... lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"When they are whiney, self absorbed dbags...so much so, that their bosses don't want them anymore."

Or when their rookie coach thinks he can alienate the entire locker room because he thinks he's the next coming of Belichick

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Snyder cannot resist the pursuit...he is like a kid in a toystore but the difference is that he has the money to spend on the toys he wants. I really cannot see how the Redskins won't get him now. If Denver wants two 1st round picks, the only team silly enough to do that is this one. Cutler is the shiny new toy that other kids want but cannot afford...Snyder wants it...he'll get it.

Posted by: authorofpoetry | April 2, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

'...can't deny that being a Skins fan keeps you on the edge of your seat every day of the year...'

I'd rather be laid back chillin' like a stillers' fan--six rings on my fingers and a 2009 super bowl dvd in the machine ready to play.

I get enough hysterics from the four women I live with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

F Cutler, trade for Brandon Marshall and an O-lineman, thats the major difference between the two anyhows. Two first rounders, please, as someone else said this guy is no Elway, although he says he throws harder. Everything about that guy erks me, bad personality bad approach to his profession.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 2, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh, one more thing. I feel badly for Campbell. I really do. He is a stand up dude, a good citizen who can perform in the right environment. Even if he does wind up staying here, doesn't everyone think that this has the potential to damage him a bit? I know it is business but if my boss told the press they were recruiting someone for my job, I'd be upset even if they didn't land him!

Posted by: authorofpoetry | April 2, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Let's look on the bright side. Say the deal doesn't happen. JC knows he's not wanted, and since he will be a free agent next year he will have to prove to other teams that he's worthy of a big contract. Thus, he'll play his a$$ off and possibly have a great season. Then idiot boy Snyder can throw 60 million at him to get him to stay. JC may let bygones be bygones. I'm sure the whole locker room knows Snyder's a joke anyway.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

"I also don't understand the "youth" talk going on. Cutler is 25, and Campbell is 26.

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

younger AND more talented

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

sheepherder

'...Can't Comrade Obama name Danny Boy Car Czar and force him Or just force him to sell the Deadskins since we now live in a the Socialist States of America where Chrysler builds Fiats like Lada did for the Soviet Union and the govt controls our lives....'

No.

But our hope is that Comrade Obama decides to attack the wrong country the next time terrorists decide to fly planes into American office buildings some years before a major city drowns in a hurricane on the eve of a major financial disaster he won't get blamed for.

'Cuz that's how the free-market sysytem works.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

They talked about McDaniels up here in Boston yesterday, and given that he's the guy who developed brady/cassell, maybe he knows a thing or two about qb's.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd take Cutler for next year's 2nd (MAYBE next year's first) and Jason Campbell. That's basically using a draft pick on Cutler, because why would we need JC around anyway?

but I really think we should keep this year's and grab one of the top 4 OT's along with our new QB. Then we're looking at an improved offense and an improved defense at the end of the off-season, along with a decent amount of youth spread out that has a wide open opportunity to step up (I'm looking at the Terrible Trio of Second Round Picks!)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

"Or when their rookie coach thinks he can alienate the entire locker room because he thinks he's the next coming of Belichick"

Yea, that stuff happens. Coaches have a short life-span in the NFL and McDaniels was looking for the best way to win right away. Cutler had the chance to make McDaniels look like a complete a-hole. But his reaction did the opposite.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Titans Finally Claim That Redskins Tampered With Haynesworth
Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2009, 8:25 a.m.
After pussyfooting around the situation for nearly a month, the Tennessee Titans finally have claimed that the Washington Redskins tampered with defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

Sort of.

The report from Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean characterizes the development as the Titans merely asking that the league look into the situation.

But that’s not how it works. A team either claims that another team violated the anti-tampering policy, or it doesn’t.

There’s no middle ground. No passive-aggressive, “Excuse me, sir, but I think it could be possible that you might have inadvertently slept with my wife while I was in a coma.”

In our view, the Titans are trying to get in the gutter while creating the appearance that they’re taking the high road.

Anyway, Wyatt reports that the Titans recently submitted to the league evidence that the Redskins had contact with Haynesworth and/or agent Chad Speck before the free agency period opened at midnight February 27.

The Titans declined comment, and NFL spokesman Greg Aiello was tight-lipped.

“There are issues of tampering that come up from time to time and if we need to take some action then of course we announce that,” Aiello said. “Until then we don’t comment on it.”

Tampering is one of the league’s dirtiest little secrets. Prior to free agency, most if not all teams have contact with the agents for players who will soon officially be on the market. This year, agent Harold Lewis implied that the Rams had tampered with center Jason Brown when Lewis hinted that the Eagles were too late to the party because they waited for the clock to strike twelve.

The league currently is exploring the possibility of revising the tampering rules to create a period prior to the start of free agency during which negotiations could occur between players due to hit the market and other teams.

It would be a wise move, since it would remedy a situation in which most if not all teams cheat from time-to-time. And since it would remedy a situation in which tampering occurs rampantly, with only a periodic example being made of a franchise that flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami.

Posted by: bigfish761 | April 2, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

easy on the politico talk guys.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

PS dude at extremeskins who has a pretty good reputation of reliable inside sources (Haynesworth) isn't saying anything, but is hinting that this is very much worth watching.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

'...trade for Brandon Marshal...'


Why not draft M Crabtree or P Harvin or J Maclin or D Williams, and still add two lineman?

The 13th pick is going to be an offensive skill player, why not a dynamic wideout instead of Sanchez?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Here is what is gonna happen
We will triad for J Cut. He will wash up in about 3 years when its realized that his great stats are largely due to an easy conference and a good system.
JC will be traded to TB for nothing and will lead them to a super-bowl after 2 years.

Redskins will spend another 7 years changing coaches and QB's every season.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

lmao @ herder...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

moe, who said the team is drafting sanchez?? They had him in for a workout.....they'll probably have 20 guys in for workouts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

2 1st rounders?

I highly doubt he will get that.

SJK!

We're talking about Daniel Snyder's team. Nevermind. We might even throw in a conditional 3rd 1st if he makes the final 53 man roster ala dude we got from Minny....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Cant read all of the comments, but jm's at the beginning made me pause.

Cutler asked McDaniels if there was a trade in the works. He said no. Then it comes out that there was for Cassel.

How can anyone not be stung by being LIED to by a person you are gonna go put it on the line for.

Maybe he seems like a child, but if you cant trust a new head coach, then all trust is out the window. And you do WHATEVER you can to get out.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

lmao @ moe, too

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 2, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Broncos have informed all teams that they'd like at least two first-round draft picks for Cutler and that a trade could come as early as tomorrow. The Broncos also have told teams that receiving a quarterback in return is not a necessity."

The trade would be for 2 first rounders. It's not 2 first rounders + Jason Campbell + Carlos Rogers.

My guess would be that the Skins only pull the trigger IF they were able to receive decent value from Campbell elsewhere. I think it's pretty obvious McDaniels wants to start over anew and build his QB from the ground up.

Personally, I'm in favor of acquiring Cutler, but I'm against giving up Rogers to do it. A name I WOULD be in favor of giving up -- Rocky McIntosh. Even though it would make our LB situation even more dire (and almost make it a certainty we would draft 2 LBs), the return on the investment would be enough for me. Rocky + #13 to Denver, JC + a Denver player (Sheffler?) to a 3rd party, 3rd party sends a 3rd rounder to Denver and a 2nd rounder to Washington.

Bold Prediction:

Washington loses: JC17, Rock McIntosh, #13 pick
Washington gains: Jay Cutler, 2nd rounder

Denver loses: Jay Cutler, Tony Sheffler
Denver gains: #13 overall, unspecified 3rd round selection from a 3rd party, Rocky McIntosh

3rd party loses: 2nd and 3rd round selections
3rd party gains: Jason Campbell and Tony Sheffler.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

And, since the FO is watching this blog....


YOU CANNOT TRADE JC TO ANOTHER TEAM UNLESS IT IS 3 WAY. DENVER IS DESPARATE. DO NOT JUMP. MAKE THE DEAL WORK FOR YOU. THEY NEED TO MOVE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please god, use your brain vinny and Dan

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"Yea, that stuff happens. Coaches have a short life-span in the NFL and McDaniels was looking for the best way to win right away. Cutler had the chance to make McDaniels look like a complete a-hole. But his reaction did the opposite."

Not sure what incentive Cutler has to do something like this. Sure, now everyone knows McDaniel's is an ahole, something which he knew all along. Meanwhile, the entire team and coaching staff is torn, the team has major chemistry issues, the Broncos suck, and Cutler has to stomach playing his best for a coach he hates. How does that help anything?

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Somebody in Denver is not being totally on the up and up. Cutler is saying he didn't want it to come to this but he already said he wanted to be traded. He says he didn't get any phone calls from the team but then they say they have the phone records (all the guy had to do was turn on the television and know they were trying to get in touch with them). I think Cutler selfishly doesn't want to play with a team that will be going through a rebuilding year (at least on defense) and so he is playing games to make a trade happen. It's kind of like Bill Lambeer throwing an elbow and then pleading to the referee to call the penalty on the player that retaliates. I sure hope the Redskins don't get this guy. He has demonstrated that he can very sneaky at the least, and at most, he can be downright dishonest. He's like a Terrell-Owens-in-training.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 2, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Now, should Cutler have acted the way he did? It's unprofessional at best and prima-donna-ish at worst. He could have taken a page out of Campbell's book. But, I completely understand how he felt betrayed by what transpired."

I totally agree Hailbg. In addition to being shopped by someone who told him to his face he was the team's qb, Cutler had been looking into buying a 70 acre spread up there in Denver (the type of thing you retire on). I'd be pretty pissed if I found out that the team had no intention of keeping me around after that. Further, for all you TD/Int ratio nuts, remember a guy named David Garrard? Last offseason, the guy was a messiah (18 TD, 3 picks); this offseason, his team is talking about drafting Sanchez if he's available (after Garrard had 15 Tds and 13 picks this past year). My point is that maybe if Cutler doesn't feel like he has to score every time down the field, he'll not try to force balls where they don't belong and be more of a manager. Even if it only happens a couple of times less, say 3, that ratio looks much more palatable (25/15). As for his "character" issue: just don't tell the guy you're not trading him when you really are. It's that simple; he doesn't appreciate two-faced team officials... uh-oh, I just realized my mistake. He'd totally be coming to the wrong place. This won't end well.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"Cutler had the chance to make McDaniels look like a complete a-hole. But his reaction did the opposite.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who"

Cutler still has the chance. When he goes to his new team, if he performs to a pro-bowl level (and I most certainly believe he will at the latest by 2010) and McDaniels is cycling in and out of QBs failing to live up to Shanahan's reputation, Cutler will most certainly have made McDaniels look like an asshat.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

If we trade our first and Carlos Rogers, we will have no way to replace him. Our D will suck, we still have a joke of an O line. Haynesworth will eat himself to oblivion and be worthless. Apparently they think the O line is gonna be beastly this year. Dock aint that good. I wish they would just spend draft picks on things we need instead of trading them away.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

All snarkiness aside, I'd love to have been in the film room with Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato the day they came to the conclusion that Jason Campbell might not be the horse they want to ride.

What did they see?

Maybe the bad line play was the result of holding the ball too long?

Maybe he needed to pull the ball down more often and make a play or two with his legs.

Maybe the low INT's were the result of not gambling on his receivers going into the air to make a play.

Maybe he stares down his 1st option on a pass play.

Maybe they realized he can't win a game with his arm.

Maybe if teams doubled/jammed Moss, Campbell couldn't get through his progressions to find Randle El or was too hesitant to throw.

Maybe they saw he didn't receivers in stride so they'd get the YAC that's so important in the WCO.

Whatever they saw on film, other folks have see it too.

And that's a bad thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

OK, I'm on the flounder bandwagon. If we didn't wake up to a deal, it's not gonna happen.

Snyder understands he can't keep JC17 in limbo too long because we still may sign him long term if he does well this year.

Of course Snyder/Zorn/Cerrato huddled up yesterday. They were thinking about it very long and hard.

But why are the so many leaks out of Redskins Park? Isn't every team that is thinking about Cutler huddling up with the GM/Ownner/HC?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Washington loses: JC17, Rock McIntosh, #13 pick
Washington gains: Jay Cutler, 2nd rounder

Gosh, psp, if this happens, I'll eat my own kidney, labotomize myself with a rusty spoon, and force myself to hold my breath until the 2010 draft.

What you've described is called HIGHWAY ROBBERY. So essentially Vinny will probably do it.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather talk about these tampering charges Tennesse is trying to hit us with....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

But why are the so many leaks out of Redskins Park?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Bingo! It's like friggin CTU over there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 8:57 AM"

Or maybe they see, unlike many of the other people on this blog's claims, that there's the opportunity to trade for a generationally great quarterback that's still very young -- something that hardly ever happens in this league.

This is not about Jason Campbell. This is absolutely, 100% about Jay Cutler. Campbell just happens to stand in his way.

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

If we give away our #1 and don't get at least a second rounder, we lose. We may get a decent OL o DL in that round. Cutler won't last with our Line.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

beantown

'...moe, who said the team is drafting sanchez??'


Who said it?

No one.

I'm using the same, "Hey, why not?" style of thinking that went on in this blog for months when folks were chanting, "Oher, Oher, Orakpo, Orakpo, Smith, Smith,.." because nobody aid those guys were being drafted.

And if you didn't question that style of thinking, why hate on mine?

None of us knows what the team will draft.

I'm just reading between the lines.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

John Keim was on the junkies said 75% chance JCut is in DC.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Why would we give up Rocky Mac? Then we are looking for 2 starting OLB......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

There's so many leaks because most of it is probably made up.

I don't doubt that they met to see if there was any option, and I like that they braught Zorn in who is the only one of the three that knows QB play.

I don't see Mcdaniels wanting JC17, he will want a younger guy he can build from scratch in the Brady mold.

If we traded JC it would not be to Denver, they want are 13th pick. So if it happens I see it playing out something like psp layed out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Alex - what does he base that off of?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Is there any possibility AH goes to jail and doesn't even play this year? Just wonderin, not a lawyer so I don't know how serious his court case is.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Cutler still has the chance. When he goes to his new team, if he performs to a pro-bowl level (and I most certainly believe he will at the latest by 2010) and McDaniels is cycling in and out of QBs failing to live up to Shanahan's reputation, Cutler will most certainly have made McDaniels look like an asshat."

That may be true, but none of that changes how Cutler reacted. He had the chance to act like a man and do his job. Instead, he decided to act like a teenage girl and whine about someone not liking him enough. Face to face, one on one meeting with McDaniels. That's all he had to do. If things couldn't be settled, so be it.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I really don't like this move. I think you always have to consider an upgrade and while his numbers may indicate that he's an upgrade do you think Cutler is that much better than Campbell if they're playing in the same situation???
Other #'s, besides yards & TDs:
Sacks:
Cutler 11
Campbell 38
3rd downs:
Cutler 72.3 QB Rating
Campbell 79.7 QB Rating
Redzone:
Cutler 46%, 17 TD, 4 INT
Campbell 56%, 11 TD, 1 INT

Better? Probably, but much better? I don't think so.

Also. He threw the ball over 600 times!
Top 5 QB's in attemps are, in order: Brees, Cutler, Warner, McNabb, and P. Manning.
Of that group. He's 4th out of the 5 in completion percentage AND touchdown percentage - while have the most interceptions, and the lowest quarterback rating. Also, he was sacked less than the other 4...

There's more than TDs and Yards....

Posted by: showell81 | April 2, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

FYI Tenn. is officially charging the Redskins with tampering on the Big Al deal. http://www.tennessean.com/article/20090402/SPORTS01/904020373/1002/SPORTS

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm intrigued by what Zorn's take on all of this is. After all, he's arguably one of the top 3-4 qb coaches on the planet. I'm sure he has great insight into whether Campbell or Cutler is capable of long term greatness; specifically, he should be able to tell accurately how both would perform in his *own* system. Add to that fact that he's gotta know his job is on the line and I'm comfortable with backing whatever choice he makes.

The only issue is how much input does he have into the decision making process given that it's quite possible he's a lame duck coach?

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

A JC for a JC. Sounds interesting.

I just hope its this JC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Cutler_(bodybuilder)

Posted by: SmallPen15 | April 2, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Acceptable Trade:

13 + CR22 for Cutty

But we have to at the same time ship JC17 to someone for atleast a 3rd Rounder. And all of this has to happen at the same time.

Anyone else see CP26 getting more money to push his cap # down?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

All of you people that think this Cutler thing is a good idea are smoking something. Look at the personalities of all the exceptional quarterbacks in the league right now. Brady, Manning(s), and Roethliberger, i.e the guys that win Super Bowl trophies they don't whine and act like spoiled children when things don't go their way, they work hard and act like consumate professionals. Cutler is the whiner, Campbell is the consumate professional. Now look at statistics, Cutler's QB rating was 86.0 last season, Campbell's was 84.3. There is virtually no difference. While Cutler threw for 25 touchdowns and 18 picks, Campbell threw for 13 touchdowns and 6 picks. A difference of seven for both. And if you look at their records Cutler only has one more win as a starter. Now some of you might say well Cutler had the 30th ranked defense while Campbell had the 5th. Great, but Campbell was in the first year in a new offense (with no exceptional receivers), nothing like his old offense, and he was on a run first team with an O-line who couldn't even give him time to get to his second read. To give up one first rounder and maybe even a second is simply a terrible idea when this draft is loaded with help at tackle which is a huge need for our team. Trust me Jason Campbell is a solid NFL qb and we need to give him the chance to develop in this system.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Would Leigh torrence be interested in coming back if we ship out Carlos?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

4th,
it was a long interview and the last question was just give us a % chance it happens. He said Dan get what Dan want.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

If we lose two first round picks I think blood will start coming out of my ears.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 2, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

psps23

'...that there's the opportunity to trade for a generationally great quarterback that's still very young -- something that hardly ever happens in this league....'

Campbell and Cutler are a year apart in age. So there goes the 'young quarterback argument'.

Cutler has performed 3 years in a stable situation and we know what's been up with Campbell's.

Folks are blogging about Cutler like he's a HOF when the record shows all he's won in Denver is probably an occasional free beer---which ain't bad.

The front office of the Washington Redskins can not be trusted in this matter--plain and simple.

Review the details of the Jason Taylor, Brandon Lloyd trade, Pete Kendell trade, Adam Archulta acqusition if you want evidence.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

showell81... I am glad some of us still have some sense around here. Cutler's numbers are inflated by the attempts for sure.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

the thing is

JC doesn't have "it" period

He can be a QB on a Superbowl winning team, but he's not the reason. Dude will be a game manager his whole career. He just doesn't have "it". I rarely have seen flashes of "it". You either have it or you don't, and he doesn't. Based off what he's done in the NFL, can anyone argue that he does have "it"?


Cutler most likely does.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

If we ship Los we are gonna get blown out by 20 points a game with no D.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

oh god please not this weak need person who is not ready and never will be ready for primetime .

let us drop out of the case and get one of those slightly used qb' that are still out there

Posted by: joevick | April 2, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Review the details of the Jason Taylor, Brandon Lloyd trade, Pete Kendell trade, Adam Archulta acqusition if you want evidence."

Um, if you want to use that argument, you need to observe the flip side of the coin too...

Rabach, Thomas, Griffin, Moss, Washington, Moss, Springs, etc

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

as someone said above

we need to realize Denver is pretty desperate. They HAVE to get rid of Cutler, we don't HAVE to have Cutler or HAVE to get rid of JC. We're fine right now, and I think everyone in the franchise and everyone who follows this franchise would be fine if nothing happens.

how about for once WE get the good side of the deal. Let's lower the value of Cutler because of the situation. Tell 'em straight up, 3rd rounder next year and JC, take it or leave it. If they don't take it, peace have fun. If they do, we're golden.


if we do this year's first and next year's first and then we have to get rid of JC (probably a 3rd for him, 2nd rounder at best), that's just asinine.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If we ship Los we are gonna get blown out by 20 points a game with no D.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse


I agree. Our D should be left alone. We have no viable candidates to replace Rogers. Tryon at 5'7 won't cut it. It seems like Snyder really want this guy, I just hope he doesn't pay too much for a guy who could end up being on his a$$ alot more then he is used to.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

4th,
it was a long interview and the last question was just give us a % chance it happens. He said Dan get what Dan want.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 2, 2009 9:11 AM

And that is how I treat this team as well.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: countystyle | April 2, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

hailbg

'...I'm intrigued by what Zorn's take on all of this is. After all, he's arguably one of the top 3-4 qb coaches on the planet...'


And that's where I am.

'Cuz everybody in the NFL is on tape.

And tape doesn't lie.

And if Zorn watched three years of Campbell on tape, he may have walked away thinking, "Not this guy, I'm sorry."

That's why there's been no talk of extension.

And if the price tag for Cutler is too high, you wonder if the Sanchez tryout folks mocked had something to it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Redskins don't have a line that can hold blocks long to protect the QB. Neither did the Marino Dolphins. However, Marino had a quick release thus negating the rush. Campbell held the ball too long and the rush ate him alive. Cutler with the same release as Marino, will be able to offset the rush, thus having fewer sacks compared to Campbell.

Campbell will continue to learn how to scramble. Eventually he may even learn how to slide.....maybe. Not sure that Campbell has the ability to think outside of the box and make something happen on the fly when the planned play breaks down or his initial read isn't open. Cutler has shown that he has that skill.

Campbell doesn't show any fire in his belly. Where is the will to win? How does he inspire his team and push them to the max? His approach is more laid back, thus the team responds that way offensively. No sense of urgency. Cutler on the other hand will yell at his receivers for not doing the right thing or for dropping a pass.

Statistically, Cutler has played in a system where other teams knew the Broncos couldn't run and were forced to pass. With that scenario, Cutler could still put up postive numbers. Campbell played in a cautious throw it under the defense and play it safe system. Thus his interceptions were lower.

You can't argue for going after Cutler when most of the league thinks he is on the cusp of being a superstar. Has anyone said or thought that of Campbell?

For Skins fans, the issue is we spent too much to draft Campbell, and we will spend probably too much to get Cutler. What doesn't get fixed this year will get fixed next year in the uncapped 2010 free agent gold mine.

Posted by: JesusJock | April 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

All of you people that think this Cutler idea is a good one sicken me... it's because we have an owner that thinks like you all that we will never have a team that can contend.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

hailbg

'...Um, if you want to use that argument, you need to observe the flip side of the coin too...Rabach, Thomas, Griffin, Moss, Washington, Moss, Springs, etc.'

point-taken

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 2, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Redskins don't have a line that can hold blocks long to protect the QB. Neither did the Marino Dolphins. However, Marino had a quick release thus negating the rush. Campbell held the ball too long and the rush ate him alive. Cutler with the same release as Marino, will be able to offset the rush, thus having fewer sacks compared to Campbell.

Campbell will continue to learn how to scramble. Eventually he may even learn how to slide.....maybe. Not sure that Campbell has the ability to think outside of the box and make something happen on the fly when the planned play breaks down or his initial read isn't open. Cutler has shown that he has that skill.

Campbell doesn't show any fire in his belly. Where is the will to win? How does he inspire his team and push them to the max? His approach is more laid back, thus the team responds that way offensively. No sense of urgency. Cutler on the other hand will yell at his receivers for not doing the right thing or for dropping a pass.

Statistically, Cutler has played in a system where other teams knew the Broncos couldn't run and were forced to pass. With that scenario, Cutler could still put up postive numbers. Campbell played in a cautious throw it under the defense and play it safe system. Thus his interceptions were lower.

You can't argue for going after Cutler when most of the league thinks he is on the cusp of being a superstar. Has anyone said or thought that of Campbell?

For Skins fans, the issue is we spent too much to draft Campbell, and we will spend probably too much to get Cutler. What doesn't get fixed this year will get fixed next year in the uncapped 2010 free agent gold mine.

Posted by: JesusJock | April 2, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I'd also be somewhat interested in hearing what Ramsey has to say on the matter seeing has he's the only one to have actually been practicing and playing with both QB's.

Alas, that's not going to happen

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

someone posted something yesterday, a chat from ESPN, in which Moseley stated that you cannot ignore the lines as much as the redskins have. Trading JC and a first falls RIGHT into that line of thinking.....you can trade for Brady, and Adrian Petersen, but when your line sucks, your line sucks.....it negates their immense abilities.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Great interview with Lavar, talks about everything Redskins. Check it out.
http://www.playersvoice.com/sports-pages/audio-interviews.html

Posted by: skins954 | April 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

the thing is

JC doesn't have "it" period

He can be a QB on a Superbowl winning team, but he's not the reason. Dude will be a game manager his whole career. He just doesn't have "it". I rarely have seen flashes of "it". You either have it or you don't, and he doesn't. Based off what he's done in the NFL, can anyone argue that he does have "it"?

Cutler most likely does.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse
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This is a world where Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Big Ben, and Eli Manning are sporting championship hardware, and a lot of people with 'it' were watching from the sidelines.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The Truth speaks the truth...

In order to be a "franchise" QB you must have something that you can not teach. All truly great QBs have "it" I have no doubt Campbell cant or wont win a Superbowl but he wont carry a team on his shoulders... He will never break the record for late game comebacks... How many games did he throw away with an interception in the end zone at the end

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

hailbg

'...Um, if you want to use that argument, you need to observe the flip side of the coin too...Rabach, Thomas, Griffin, Moss, Washington, Moss, Springs, etc.'

point-taken

NO its not... With the exception of thomas and moss who were trades. The othes were free agent's which we didn't have to give up anything. Another thing is that even if these guys worked out because they gave us a few solid years, we overpaid for most of their services when we could have drafted yound talent that would have given us near the same level of performance for a much cheaper price.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What is the source for CR being part of the deal?

I heard it on Comcast this am, but have yet to read a real source about that

Posted by: Zeebs | April 2, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Also, a bunch of people (myself included) are probably attached to Campbell because of his first-class personality rather than judging him purely on his level of play. I remember how sick I was after we let Ramsey go after all he did for us (Roy Williams human missile anyone?), but in hindsight it was clearly the right thing to do

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"How many games did he throw away with an interception in the end zone at the end"

I don't know, why don't you tell me before posting something as part of your argument without any proof to back it up?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 2, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"All of you people that think this Cutler idea is a good one sicken me... it's because we have an owner that thinks like you all that we will never have a team that can contend.

Posted by: morrownd1 "

if you wouldn't trade JC for Cutler straight up, then you're just happy with loving our mediocre fan-favorite players.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Benchcampbell...

Uh not many this season... since he only threw six picks. And you are on another planet if you think that the guys that break late game comeback records are easy to find. You will probably live your entire life and never see a guy like Favre or Marino play for the Redskins. If you look at the numbers Campbell and Cutler are not much different.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I have been a very staunch anti-Jason Campbell person for a while now, but even I think this is a bad idea.

I do not think we should give up Jason Campbell in a package for Cutler. I don't see Cutler as an upgrade, at least not to the point of losing JC and picks.

I think out of the two young QBs we have on the roster, we have good chance at a very good QB.

Let Jason Campbell and Colt Brennan battle it out fairly and with equal playing time in the pre-season. Let the better QB start the season.

If at the end of the season, the better QB is still not good enough, make a move at that point.

I want to apologize to all on these boards, because this type of deal is not what I had in mind for upgrading the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Also, a bunch of people (myself included) are probably attached to Campbell because of his first-class personality rather than judging him purely on his level of play. I remember how sick I was after we let Ramsey go after all he did for us (Roy Williams human missile anyone?), but in hindsight it was clearly the right thing to do

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse
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To be fair, Gibbs had to basically blow up that team from Spurrier. What did we have when Spurrier left town? That was a joke of a roster and Ramsey was collateral damage.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"NO its not... With the exception of thomas and moss who were trades. The othes were free agent's which we didn't have to give up anything. Another thing is that even if these guys worked out because they gave us a few solid years, we overpaid for most of their services when we could have drafted yound talent that would have given us near the same level of performance for a much cheaper price."

Ok, Moss was a trade for Coles, but Thomas was a free agent signing. I really don't think you can argue that we could have drafted veteran talent and leadership like Griff/Washington/Springs/Rabach and have them perform like these guys over the past 4 years...

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Maybe straight up but then it would still be a difficult decision. Cutlers number are not that great and they are inflated by his pass attempts. But dude giving up a first rounder or two for him is not worth it. Good teams are built through the draft and with front office stability.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I want to apologize to all on these boards, because this type of deal is not what I had in mind for upgrading the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Who is this impostor?

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"This is a world where Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Big Ben, and Eli Manning are sporting championship hardware, and a lot of people with 'it' were watching from the sidelines.

Posted by: mattsoundworld"


As I said and you quoted, JASON CAMPBELL CAN BE A QB ON A SUPERBOWL WINNING TEAM. But if you're gonna count on him to win it like a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning, well, **** in one hand and wish in the other cause it ain't happening.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I personally don't think our line is as bad as some of you make it out to be.

We got Dock back and Heyer IMO can be a starter in this league.........

Plus Cutty is more mobile...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"I have been a very staunch anti-Jason Campbell person for a while now, but even I think this is a bad idea.

I do not think we should give up Jason Campbell in a package for Cutler. I don't see Cutler as an upgrade, at least not to the point of losing JC and picks.

I think out of the two young QBs we have on the roster, we have good chance at a very good QB.

Let Jason Campbell and Colt Brennan battle it out fairly and with equal playing time in the pre-season. Let the better QB start the season.

If at the end of the season, the better QB is still not good enough, make a move at that point.

I want to apologize to all on these boards, because this type of deal is not what I had in mind for upgrading the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru"


Just shut up. Colt Brennan sucks dude, get over it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry if I said thomas i meant kendall was a trade... but either way they may be solid but it doesn't make up for the cap hits and lost draft picks of archuletta, taylor and loyd. Also those guys were gibbs guys that you listed not people I could see cerrato going out to get.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Colt and JC duke it over playing time? LOL

I think JC would rather goto the Lions than suffer through that indignity

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Mortgaging our future including our current year No. 1 and probably multiple picks next year for a QB who is not even a sure thing is aburd. For people who don't know it, Cutler is a Type One diabetic who is on insulin and may not even have a long NFL career. The Skins need to completely rebuild their aging O-Line, LB's, and a left defensive end. There are at least 4-5 positions that either are holes or need upgrades for this team to be even a playoff team.

Even if Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell, he won't solve the problems at RT or improve our WR's. JC with a better line and a top flight big, possession receiver will improve this year. A trade for Cutler probably sets the team back until 2011 by which time our core skill position players like Portis and Moss will be at the end of their careers.

You would have thought that Danny and Vinny would have learned from the debacle in 2000 about overspending and how it set the team back 3-4 years until Joe Gibbs returned. Snyder is more concerned with making splashy signings and trades then building a sustainable contending team like NY or Philly.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 2, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

hailbg: "I'm intrigued by what Zorn's take on all of this is. After all, he's arguably one of the top 3-4 qb coaches on the planet. I'm sure he has great insight into whether Campbell or Cutler is capable of long term greatness; specifically, he should be able to tell accurately how both would perform in his *own* system."

Which leads us to the next question: exactly what is Zorn's system?

I don't think we've seen it yet.

He tried to install an offense in camp last year, and it didn't go particularly well. Campbell took to it better than Collins, and Brennan showed promise, but on the surface of it, I suspect Zorn went into the season thinking he was facing some real problems.

Then Heyer got hurt and Jansen took over, and all of a sudden they were a running team, and whatever hopes Zorn had for a West Coast offense were finished.

I'm not at all sure that Cutler is an ideal fit, either. He's a freelancer. But he's certainly a more talented passer than Campbell, and maybe that's the most we can hope for.

Whoever's QB will face the same issue, however, and that is: who's going to catch the damn ball?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 2, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

hailbg: "I'm intrigued by what Zorn's take on all of this is. After all, he's arguably one of the top 3-4 qb coaches on the planet. I'm sure he has great insight into whether Campbell or Cutler is capable of long term greatness; specifically, he should be able to tell accurately how both would perform in his *own* system."

Which leads us to the next question: exactly what is Zorn's system?

I don't think we've seen it yet.

He tried to install an offense in camp last year, and it didn't go particularly well. Campbell took to it better than Collins, and Brennan showed promise, but on the surface of it, I suspect Zorn went into the season thinking he was facing some real problems.

Then Heyer got hurt and Jansen took over, and all of a sudden they were a running team, and whatever hopes Zorn had for a West Coast offense were finished.

I'm not at all sure that Cutler is an ideal fit, either. He's a freelancer. But he's certainly a more talented passer than Campbell, and maybe that's the most we can hope for.

Whoever's QB will face the same issue, however, and that is: who's going to catch the damn ball?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe straight up but then it would still be a difficult decision. Cutlers number are not that great and they are inflated by his pass attempts. But dude giving up a first rounder or two for him is not worth it. Good teams are built through the draft and with front office stability.

Posted by: morrownd1"

1) Look at our great draft last year. You want more of that? Hell we should probably be HOPING we get rid of draft picks. (slight saracasm)

2) I never said I want to give up JC plus 2 first rounders. I said we need to realize Denver is on the hot seat and I said that we would be fine doing nothing. It's plain as day that giving up a starting QB (Campbell) and 2 first round draft picks is just stupid. Nobody is arguing for that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry if I said thomas i meant kendall was a trade... but either way they may be solid but it doesn't make up for the cap hits and lost draft picks of archuletta, taylor and loyd. Also those guys were gibbs guys that you listed not people I could see cerrato going out to get.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:37 AM |

The guys you listed were Gibbs guys to with the exception of Taylor.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I want to apologize to all on these boards, because this type of deal is not what I had in mind for upgrading the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru

Who is this impostor?

Posted by: TWISI | April 2, 2009 9:35 AM

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LOL, its me.

I criticized JC hard, because I had to fight back against a lot of heavy propoganda flack.

However, I wouldn't want the team to be hurt even more by losing JC and picks for Jay Cutler, who in my mind is not a significant upgrade at the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Since the Broncos don't even need a QB in return and Soup is being shopped around for a #2, it may come down to straight up draft picks for Cutler. A #1 this year and next year? Our #1 and #3 this year? One day we're going to learn to build thru the draft and all will be well. Unfortunately, that day isn't here yet.

Posted by: countystyle | April 2, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Let Jason Campbell and Colt Brennan battle it out fairly and with equal playing time in the pre-season. Let the better QB start the season.

If at the end of the season, the better QB is still not good enough, make a move at that point.

I want to apologize to all on these boards, because this type of deal is not what I had in mind for upgrading the QB position.

Posted by: Sports_Guru"


Just shut up. Colt Brennan sucks dude, get over it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:37 AM

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My point is that we really don't know that. I would rather keep our picks and start one of our young guns.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the comparisons of Cutler to Jeff George ????

George was signed as a free agent at the ripe age of 33. Cutler would be a trade and the guy is just about to turn 26.

What am I missing?

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Dan Marino had "it" and he won exactly 2 things: Jack and Sh*t.

I'll take a game manager on a great team over a superstar surrounded by ham sandwiches 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"How many games did he throw away with an interception in the end zone at the end"

That's an interesting point. Per Espn.com, Campbell's stats last season in "close games" during the 4th quarter (defined as a 7 points or less margin):

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.6 yards per attempt, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 passer rating.

Now please, tell me, how many games did he throw away with interceptions in the endzone at the end?

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

what about JC and one of the 2nd round draft picks from last year?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

They talked about McDaniels up here in Boston yesterday, and given that he's the guy who developed brady/cassell, maybe he knows a thing or two about qb's.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 8:42 AM |

Yeah but Cutler is 25, remember?
/sarcasm

Tampering? Great. Don't count on next years first round pick.

Two first round picks for a guy whose team doesn't want him? Cassel was traded for a second round pick? How the hell can the Broncos expect to get two first round picks?

JC17, You are the man!

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

LOL I think Zorn better see the writing on the wall if and when we do get Cutler Shanahan will not be far behind... In fact that may be how we lure Cutler here tell him a reunion is in the works

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Dan Marino had "it" and he won exactly 2 things: Jack and Sh*t.

I'll take a game manager on a great team over a superstar surrounded by ham sandwiches 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: Original_etrod"

If you got a "great team" more power to you, but where the hell is the "great team" part in that equation? Are you even talking about the Redskins????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Truth
Yeah our draft has been crap I am not saying Cerrato is great, but I understand what you are saying. However if what Denver wants two first rounders, which is what the reports are saying, we won't even be close to ending up with him since another team will probably jump in there who can offer more than use. And that is what I am hoping for... since we know old Dan wouldn't have a problem trading the rights our first round choices for the next two years.

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

The Titans have not put in a charge of tampering read the damm story, it says they asked the league to look into it but thats not how it works.

They have to make a formal charge before the league will do anything.

Unless they had a tape recorder at the table when Snyder talked to the agent, they have no proof.

The agent isn't going to say anything, no team would ever work with him again.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"How many games did he throw away with an interception in the end zone at the end"

That's an interesting point. Per Espn.com, Campbell's stats last season in "close games" during the 4th quarter (defined as a 7 points or less margin):

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.6 yards per attempt, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 passer rating.

Now please, tell me, how many games did he throw away with interceptions in the endzone at the end?

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM

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That is correct.

Last year, he never 'lost' a game at the end. Our losses were more about the defense not holding on their final drives.

It was two years ago that he was unable to win two games for us by having an interception on that potential game winning drive.

Last year, he closed out close games pretty efficiently.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Do they take away a draft pick for tampering? GR8888.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Samson151

"Which leads us to the next question: exactly what is Zorn's system?"

Agreed. But I think Zorn was limited in what he could call knowing that JC was learning the system along with everyone else. I think Saunders had the same problem until TC got in and then we all saw what his system could do with a veteran QB that knows how to run it.

In fact, that's been a trend for the past few years. Playcallers have been hamstrung cuz the damn QB isn't familiar with the system and nuances to execute it freely and allow the OC to make fearless calls.

Getting to that point boils down to patience and clearly, the FO office has none. And, so, here we go again... this time, though, there's a potential franchise QB available and so that makes this decision *so* much harder

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Redskins will get Cutler. I don't think they can bid enough for him. They don't have the cap space for any good trades (e.g., Cooley); they don't have a defensive lineman to trade which is what Denver needs; they don't have enough draft picks, at least not in this year's draft. Other teams will outbid the 'Skins.

After Cutler is traded, there is still the possibility of trading up for Sanchez but they probably don't have enough ammunition for that either. Sanchez's stock is rising and the Skins would need to get in the top five.

As for Campbell, yeah, he'll be understandably upset but what is he going to do? He has to have a good year this year, regardless. He's can't afford the luxury of pouting and sulking or demanding a trade. He's going to be stuck with the Skins and the Skins are going to be stuck with him, and he'll have to go out on the field and prove that the 'Skins were wrong about him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Denver can ask for two first rounders all they want, but they shouldn't get it from us or most other teams in the league.

We could've asked for two first rounders for Leigh Torrence, too. Doesn't mean anybody was taking it.

We need slick Vinny to go in there and wheel-and-deal and at the end of the day...oh crap we've given up 5 future first rounders. Nevermind.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is a flat out liar - he said that Joe Gibbs has taught him "patience"....oh yeah?

He jumped to sign Haynesworth and now is trading away our QB for a spoiled brat?

I understand that Denver wants (or needs) a defensive player thrown into the deal as well so perhaps that is where Rogers name came from. But that would be even more idiotic on the Skins part....we do not have Springs anymore.

Stupid Skins FO!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand the comparisons of Cutler to Jeff George ????

George was signed as a free agent at the ripe age of 33. Cutler would be a trade and the guy is just about to turn 26.

What am I missing?

Posted by: isnadd | April 2, 2009 9:43 AM

All the comparisons that I have heard are comparisons of Cutler to a YOUNG Jeff George, not to the old wheezer who played for the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I think Redskins have to make the deal now.

They have no choice.

Why?

Because this gambit will ruin JC. He was a fragile soul to start with - now he knows that the front office truly has no confidence in him.

They must make the deal - no mtter how stupid a move it is...

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Truth you know that is what will happen if we end up with Cutler...

Posted by: morrownd1 | April 2, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Lets just hope that Denver does what is best for them and makes a deal with Cleveland for Brady Quinn, that way we can go back to arguing who the skins should take with the 13th pick , cause we probably wont have that pick soon.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 2, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN Insider:

"Interestingly, out of the seven-pack of teams considered to be front-runners in the Cutler sweepstakes - believed to be the Bears, Browns, Bucs, Jets, Lions, Redskins and 49ers - only the Browns and Redskins can offer the Broncos a high-caliber quarterback in return if it is a traditional two-party trade. Weeks ago, a rumor circulated that a three-way deal would take place, with Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers heading to the Broncos, Jay Cutler heading to the Jets, and a package of draft picks and players heading to the Browns from New York. Within the last 24 hours, a new rumor has gained steam indicating that a move by the Redskins to acquire Cutler would pave the way for the team to hire Mike Shanahan as head coach in the future, because as noted by Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, Cutler is considered a Shanahan protege. The crux of the rumor is that Shanahan is alleged to have met with Skins owner Dan Snyder in January."

Posted by: countystyle | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is a flat out liar - he said that Joe Gibbs has taught him "patience"....oh yeah?

He jumped to sign Haynesworth and now is trading away our QB for a spoiled brat?

I understand that Denver wants (or needs) a defensive player thrown into the deal as well so perhaps that is where Rogers name came from. But that would be even more idiotic on the Skins part....we do not have Springs anymore.

Stupid Skins FO!!!!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 2, 2009 9:48 AM |

Lisa,

Was it reported that this already happened, if not I would hold off on getting to worried.

Denver does not want a QB they want to 1st round picks, which they probably wont get because teams now realize that they have to trade Cutler.

Never heard anyone report the Rogers thing, so that is probably BS as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"The guys you listed were Gibbs guys to with the exception of Taylor."

Well, yeah, they were acquired during the Gibbs years, but Ceratto wasn't exactly vacationing during those 4 years

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I apologize I was thinking of 2 seasons ago...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I think Redskins have to make the deal now.

They have no choice.

Why?

Because this gambit will ruin JC. He was a fragile soul to start with - now he knows that the front office truly has no confidence in him.

They must make the deal - no mtter how stupid a move it is...

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM |

JC17 is playing for a contract, either with us or someone else he will be fine.

JC17 is a Pro and will play accordingly.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Because this gambit will ruin JC. He was a fragile soul to start with - now he knows that the front office truly has no confidence in him.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM

I disagree. Do you seriously believe that anyone in the NFL would be affected by the lack of confidence of this front office? "I must not be very good because Dan Snyder and Vinnie Cerrato don't think I'm very good."

JC is not a "fragile soul." The guy is a fighter. If anything, he will fight harder with the goal of impressing other teams and getting out of here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

One thing a lot of people are forgetting, JC could be gone next year even if we don't make this trade. If our coaching staff/FO knows right now that they don't want to bring JC back after next season, I think we should try to make this move. Counting on drafting QB, with THIS front office, is not ideal. If we can trade for one that has shown talent and, even with how big of a joke the Pro Bowl is, has made the Pro Bowl, I think we need to take it if we have no plans to extend Campbell.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I apologize I was thinking of 2 seasons ago...

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM

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No biggy. Those were frustrating games. :)

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru - You asked for JC17 not to be your starting QB. So you got your wish. You know when you wish something ou have to be specific or SJK like this happens.

You've seen this movie before, haven't you?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If you got a "great team" more power to you, but where the hell is the "great team" part in that equation? Are you even talking about the Redskins????

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse


Bringing in a QB with the "it" factor by giving up the tools to build around him will get us nowwhere. He may be able to use "it" to put the team on his back and get 1, maybe 2 wins for us. Big deal, we'll still be 6-10. Keeping Campbell in place and using draft picks to help him (OL) would get us to a much better place than blowing our wad on a new shiny toy every time we see one.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

This is a world where Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Big Ben, and Eli Manning are sporting championship hardware, and a lot of people with 'it' were watching from the sidelines.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

So, so, so true.
To Campbell doesn't have "it" is BS. He sure had "it" in college - a quick recap of 2004:
13-0
First Team All-SEC
SEC Offensive Player of the Year
SEC Championship Game MVP
Sugar Bowl MVP
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He's also improved every year in the NFL, and don't tell me when you saw this guy scrambling at the end of 2008 because the o-line broke down and the receivers couldn't get open, and he accumulated almost 200 yards in the last 7 games for a guy who isn't naturally a very good runner that he doesn't have "it".

Everyone thought he had "it" during the first half of the year, when Ron Jaworski (who breaks down film) thought he was a potential MVP candidate.

Crazy.
Cutler went three games without throwing an interception. Three.

Posted by: showell81 | April 2, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"The guys you listed were Gibbs guys to with the exception of Taylor."

Well, yeah, they were acquired during the Gibbs years, but Ceratto wasn't exactly vacationing during those 4 years

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM |

So Vinny was only vacationing when the good people were traded for or picked up via FA, and when all the bad choices were made Gibbs was on vacation I got it.

Gibbs had full control he gets the blame and the credit, for all the things that happened under his tenure.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

the crux of the rumor is that Shanahan is alleged to have met with Skins owner Dan Snyder in January.

Posted by: countystyle | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM

If Peter King didn't see the meeting, then it probably never took place.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru - You asked for JC17 not to be your starting QB. So you got your wish. You know when you wish something ou have to be specific or SJK like this happens.

You've seen this movie before, haven't you?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 2, 2009 9:56 AM

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You are correct, and unfortunately I have seen this movie before.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I am curious…..which QB’s out there have “it”? Besides Tom Brady and his three rings, who else is there to brag on? Seriously, who? Peyton Manning? All of his great stats aside, 1 ring in 11 seasons. Wouldn’t that be 10 years wasted on a guy when you could have made trades for god knows how many flavors of the week? You could argue Roethlisberger has “it” because he has 2 rings, but one of those rings was given to him by the refs, and the other was earned, as he had a great game winning drive, but his stats for the season were not any better than Campbell’s. Who does that leave? Mcnabb, Brees, Rivers, Romo? No rings. Favre, one ring in how many years…. My point is a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush…..if you think that finding an awesome QB who will lead you to the promised land time and time again is worth trying every three years, forget it. Work with what you have (Campbell) and build around them. Multiple SB winners: Montana – drafted, Bradshaw – Drafted, Brady – Drafted, Aikman – drafted, Elway – drafted, Griese – drafted, Starr – drafted, Roethlisberger – drafted. The only QB I can think of with multiple wins that wasn’t drafted by his team was Plunkett.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

the crux of the rumor is that Shanahan is alleged to have met with Skins owner Dan Snyder in January.

Posted by: countystyle | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM

If Peter King didn't see the meeting, then it probably never took place.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 2, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Because this gambit will ruin JC. He was a fragile soul to start with - now he knows that the front office truly has no confidence in him.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM

Yeah, it would if Jason Campbell's name was Jay Cutler.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 2, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Because this gambit will ruin JC. He was a fragile soul to start with - now he knows that the front office truly has no confidence in him.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 9:49 AM

I disagree. Do you seriously believe that anyone in the NFL would be affected by the lack of confidence of this front office? "I must not be very good because Dan Snyder and Vinnie Cerrato don't think I'm very good."

JC is not a "fragile soul." The guy is a fighter. If anything, he will fight harder with the goal of impressing other teams and getting out of here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

TE,

I think you miss my point.

It's not what JC, or you, or I think that is important.

It's the clowns.

They will see this move to get Cutler as irreversible. They are the ones that have lost confidence in JC.

How could this not be true considering all of the other needs on this team?

JC is gone - because they have chosen so.

Posted by: gdennie | April 2, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Peter King = D-Bag Redskin hater

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

yall are right

Jason Campbell is the best quarterback in the league.


As I said yesterday, we as Skins fans need to stop falling in love with these mediocre *** players. We all do it, I'm guilty of it. I'm a Rock Cartwright homer. We want more talent on the team, but we want every single one of our fan favorite players to suddenly get that talent overnight. Jason Campbell IS WHO WE THINK HE IS. He's a decent/solid QB who could win with a great team around him.

But right now we have James Thrash and Antwan Randle El. Oh joy.

We're the same fans that cheer for Khary Campbell and whoever that other no name LB from Miami is with the bad knees. We like old vets that are special teams gurus. Oh joy.

Gimme a break, screw all that. Gimme a bunch of talented winners out there.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

beep,

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 2, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Begin rant...

Seriously, when will people stop hating on the Haynesworth signing? News flash for all the seemingly football smart "build the lines" advocates: Albert Haynesworth is an effing defensive lineman in his prime. And he's arguably the best in the league at it. And he's got depth behind him.

It truly is annoying to hear people claim "this team will never be any good until it focuses on its lines", and then in the next breath COMPLETELY bash the signing of the best defensive lineman in the league like his signing somehow hurt the Redskins defensive line situation. I'm all for critiquing the FO when they do something wrong, but please, have some integrity when doing it.

End rant...

Posted by: psps23 | April 2, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Spanky = He-man woman hater.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"So Vinny was only vacationing when the good people were traded for or picked up via FA, and when all the bad choices were made Gibbs was on vacation I got it."

That's the exact opposite of what I was saying; my point was Cerrato deserves some of the credit for those good acquisitions although they were largely due to Gibbs

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"The guys you listed were Gibbs guys to with the exception of Taylor."

Well, yeah, they were acquired during the Gibbs years, but Ceratto wasn't exactly vacationing during those 4 years

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 9:52 AM |

Unless a deal gets done JC isn't going anywhere, and he will play his a$$ off for a new contract next year.

Who are the clowns the FO and if so, JC doesn't care what they think. He knows that if he has a big year, he will either get paid by the Skins or someone else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Jay Cutler = Jim Fassel

Posted by: MonkMossMann | April 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 2, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The whole "we should trade for Cutler crew" needs to read this short article which is SPOT ON!

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60181-broncos-wont-lose-much-if-they-trade-cutler

Posted by: p1funk | April 2, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"The whole "we should trade for Cutler crew" needs to read this short article which is SPOT ON!

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/huddle_up/posts/60181-broncos-wont-lose-much-if-they-trade-cutler"

I'm not really a part of the aforementioned "crew", but for a balanced viewpoint you should supplement your daily Redskins diet with this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3142771

Posted by: hailbg | April 2, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

What a freaking joke Snyder should be jettison into space maybe he could get lost in a black hole and stop meddling in building the Washington Redskins back into a contender.

Cutler has beniffited from being in the same system since he was drafted can we say the same thing about Jason Campbell, Hell No

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 2, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"younger AND more talented

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009"

DEFINITELY that would be CAMPBELL diabetes ages one rapidly and Cutler appears to have a fairly serious problem with that. Cardio Vascular deterioration. Campbell is faster, more athletic, has a stronger arm.

Sorry Truth Campbell is far better with a huge upside.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 2, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"This is a world where Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Big Ben, and Eli Manning are sporting championship hardware, and a lot of people with 'it' were watching from the sidelines. Posted by: mattsoundworld"

Can't put Dilfer in a category with the other three. Trent was a true game manager on the best defensive team of the era. Johnson, Manning, and Roehtlisberger are legit NFL passers. Or at least Johnson was, when he played for the Vikings.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 2, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

While everyone seems to be wondering about the wisdom, or lack of, for this potential trade, I'm simply wondering 'why am I a 'skins fan anymore?'

I became a fan decades ago when the Old Man was running the team. AND HE KNEW HOW TO RUN A TEAM. Gibbs came along and built a winner, times we are still reliving.

I was not just a fan of the team, I was a fan of the men who RAN the team. I am not a fan of the colors Burgundy and Gold, they aren't enough to sustain me. I am a fan of the men who wear those colors and how they perform their work in them.

With each passing year, I am less a fan of the men running this team. I don't care what big name is signed and at what expense.

The expense for all of this (BS, DS,JT,TO,JC/JC, etc.) is me trading my love for enjoyment, enjoyment for mere interest, and mere interest for indifference. The well is starting to run dry.

Posted by: DCV1 | April 2, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Top 5 QB's in attemps are, in order: Brees, Cutler, Warner, McNabb, and P. Manning. Of that group. He's 4th out of the 5 in completion percentage AND touchdown percentage - while have the most interceptions, and the lowest quarterback rating. Also, he was sacked less than the other 4...There's more than TDs and Yards...."

Definitely. But that's a heady group of QBs to be classed with. Those are the guys who were asked to win games largely on their own efforts in the 4th quarter.

About the sacks -- with Cutler, you can legitimately claim that one reason his sack total is low is because he moves well and is adept at throwing off-balance. Good blocking's the other reason, of course.

The comparisons with Jeff George seem to have little merit. George was an amazing passer, but an undisciplined QB who baffled his blockers by drifting out of the pocket. Cutler abandons the play only after the pocket has broken down.

The big difference between Campbell and Cutler is the risk-taking.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 2, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

As I said and you quoted, JASON CAMPBELL CAN BE A QB ON A SUPERBOWL WINNING TEAM. But if you're gonna count on him to win it like a Tom Brady or a Peyton Manning, well, **** in one hand and wish in the other cause it ain't happening.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 2, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Cutler isn't going to do that, either. But if you keep your draft picks, fill in the glaring holes and let JC manage the game, maybe he does become a Super Bowl winning QB. But if you trade away picks and other players to get a prima donna, idiot, dbag QB, then you have absolutely ZERO CHANCE of winning. So this idea of the Skins trading for Cutler is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Sadly, that's exactly why the loser Snyder will make it happen. My Skins fandom becomes shaken every time something like this happens. If this team were built properly and smartly, played hard and with great intensity, and still came up short at the end of a season, I could deal with that. But when it's pieced together by some Lilliputian fantasy football owner and then fails on the field (to Snyder's surprise), it's more difficult to deal with.

Posted by: CDon | April 2, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

This team hasn't had an elite QB since Theismann and isn't going to be any better than middling with Campbell. I'm excited at the idea of getting Cutler. Whatever it takes.

Posted by: raymitten | April 2, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"The comparisons with Jeff George seem to have little merit. George was an amazing passer, but an undisciplined QB who baffled his blockers by drifting out of the pocket. Cutler abandons the play only after the pocket has broken down."

The comparisons are mostly being made because George forced a trade to get himself out of Indy... a situation reminiscent of the current one (and one of those picks Indy eventually turned into Marvin Harrison, btw, not that that should matter).

Posted by: mrsaun | April 2, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This is a trade just for the sake of making a trade. It's stupid to do it and give away even more high or first round picks for a guy that has proven only one thing - that he's a whiner and not yet a winner. How about going after high profile offensive linemen that can actually block and still have two good legs? At least they'd be worth more than Cutler.

When Gibbs retired this owner claimed that he'd learned a lot during Gibbs' tenure. Look back at what Gibbs did during his first stretch with the Skins - won superbowls with Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. None of them were sexy, high splash quarterbacks. But they all succeeded because they had the big boys up front.

So what exactly has this guy learned? The game is still fundamentally sound blocking and tackling. Doggone it!

Posted by: BenThere | April 2, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This is not Jeff George. Cutler is a young quarterback. He has the skill to lead a team to a superbowl. This is a trade the Skins need to make. Everyone around the league knows Jason is not NFL material and we've seen what he can't do. If we get Cutler we can compete for a title next year!

Posted by: Jaymand | April 2, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what quarterback you put in, Montana, Marino, Elway to name a few of the greatest, if you do not have an offensive line to protect, it doesn't work.
That said, Jay Cutler is none of the aforementioned greats. Enough said.

Joe Thiessman was no great quarterback, as a matter of fact, none of the 80's Skins were superstars. But they had a TEAM of players that wanted to win & collectively they went to 3 super bowls. They were a great TEAM!!!

The greatness of that team was directly related to excellent offensive & defensive lines AND the desire to win. Neither of which the current skins have.

Posted by: tom9 | April 2, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

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