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Dan Steinberg has been busy. If he isn't tracing the history of Redskins facial hair, he's looking at Vinny and the draft (sung to the tune of "Benny and the Jets").


By Cindy Boren  |  December 24, 2008; 12:20 PM ET
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"That said, only bad teams make trades for 1 guy involving multiple picks. Good teams like New England and Pittsburgh turn 1st, 3rd, and 4th round picks into 3 starters. There aren't too many guys in the league worth 3 starters...

Posted by: brownwood26"

Only bad teams? Like the New York Giants?

No team turns 100% of their draft picks into starters. I remember somebody posting an analysis of draft picks, and the most successful teams in the league were right around 37% for first day picks.

While it's true that no player is a sure thing on any team, there are certain tangibles you can observe while watching a player compete in the NFL that cannot be assessed watching a college game.

Draft picks become MUCH more valuable when you have a solid foundation in place. And that solid foundation begins with a QB. Once you have that in place, you can build around that foundation with the draft picks.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a moment from the well-deserved nap to applaud psps23's observations....

....the Skins have a kinda-sorta foundation that needs an immediate infusion of depth and speed....

...a couple of well-selected picks on defense should suppplement the 4 offense picks...

...and yes, I everybody's aping for linemen, but if a Portis replacement (Moreno) or speedy field-flipper (Harvin) or linebacker (Laurenitis/Siler) is availiable, take'em high and get the linemen wit the remaining picks...

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 24, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Draft picks become MUCH more valuable when you have a solid foundation in place. And that solid foundation begins with a QB. Once you have that in place, you can build around that foundation with the draft picks.

Posted by: psps23 | December 24, 2008 12:27 PM

Actually, it starts with a solid O-line. As a Skins fan you should know that the 3 Lombardis at Redskins Park are due to the only constants over the course of Gibbs 1.0: Gibbs and the Hogs. 3 different QBs, 3 different RBs. Let's say you get a HoF LT with the 1st rounder you traded, the 3rd rounder is a solid center and the 4th rounder is a poor man's London Fletcher. You're telling me if you can get a decent QB you're still pulling the trigger on a trade for Brady or Manning?

And don't misunderstand what I'm saying, folks. I'm not saying Manning and/or Brady aren't WORTH a 1st, 3rd and 4th. I'm just saying that AT THIS PHASE OF THEIR CAREERS I wouldn't pull that trade, especially with a rookie coach and a creaky O-line. Joe f-ing Montana in his prime couldn't play behind this line and there's WAAYY more pressing needs on this team that QB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

There is no one set formula for building a team. You can point to different teams that have different approaches. Most of the successful teams do have a very good QB, but those are difficult to draft. Some teams don't have a great QB and rely on defense and an adequate QB.

Me, I think Vinnie and Danny have a plan. They wanted to make the defense great, and then try to make the offense just good enough. So they spent a LOT of time, attention, drafts, and cap money on the defense the last few years, and it's worked. Now they've turned to the offense by hiring Zorn and drafting offensive players.

I'm very concerned that they overspent on receivers this year. It seems a little foolish. But maybe you need to draft 3 guys to ensure getting one really good guy (did the figure 37% show up recently?)

If I'm right, then this spring we'll see more offensive players drafted. Hopefully OL, maybe deal CP to move up while they can still get something for him.

Not my preference, BTW. I love CP and think he's a real Redskin. Maybe they gamble on no salary cap and keep him. But quality FA/rookie RB are usually pretty thick on the ground.

BUT: if they don't draft OL, and go for skill position player like RB or QB, then I think they're out of their frickin minds!

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone has posted something along the lines of this: Here is who I would like to see start Sunday against SF.

Sit: Kendall Play: Rinehardt
Sit: J. Taylor Play: Rob Jackson
Sit: A. Cater Play: Chris Wilson
Sit: Cooley Play: Fred Davis
Sit: Landry Play: Kareem Moore
Sit: Springs Play: Tryon or Westbrook

Find a way to get more time for H.B Blades and the Rookie Receiver(s)

If 10 players are going to turn over on this roster we need to find out what we have here. I also think with these 3 young DE's we have (R. Jackson, A. Buzbee, C. Wilson) at least ONE (1) of them can turn into a solid 6-7 sack/a season starting DE for us. Anyone disagree ?

Posted by: slipperyrichard | December 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Bean and Pleepleus,

NE - They are not trying to "recover" from Branch. Branch was expendable, and that was the point. They upgraded with a talent like Randy Moss (which you ought to pay for) and they stole Wes Welker. Do you think Brady breaks the TD record last season with Branch instead of Moss? They let Samuel walk, and yet somehow they are still in contention for the playoffs.

Philly - It pains me to say, but this franchise has been far more successful than the Skins over the past decade. Injuries to McNabb is what has derailed them in recent years, not cap mismanagement. The Skins are a different story.

Posted by: p1funk | December 24, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

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