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Dance with Taylor Comes to Curious End

Jason Reid's take on Jason Taylor:

Several teams are interested in speaking with Jason Taylor about playing next season, according to a league source. Many were monitoring Taylor's situation, believing the Redskins would do something with him because of his high-price contract.

Taylor, 34, was scheduled to make $8 million in 2009, not including a $500,000 roster bonus that was due this week. When owner Daniel Snyder asked Taylor to rework his contract to include a workout clause, Taylor balked because he did not want to spend any more time in Ashburn than absolutely necessary. Taylor makes his year-round home in Miami and he wants to spend the offseason with his children.

A week or so at the complex would have been fine with Taylor, a league source said, but the Redskins wanted him to attend most of the workouts. Taylor could have agreed to the workout clause and simply not attended the workouts, but he thought that would have been unfair to his teammates.

Clearly, the Taylor-Redskins union did not work. Some would say that it was doomed from the outset because Taylor's skills did not fit the disciplined scheme that defensive coordinator Greg Blache runs.

One would think that Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, would have included that in their decision-making process before they squandered a second-round pick in April's draft and a sixth-round pick in the 2010 draft for a player they parted ways with after one injury-shortened, unproductive season.

Perhaps they did factor in that Taylor didn't fit their scheme. Maybe they knew it would be ridiculous to have Taylor, whose weight drops below 240 pounds during the season, playing the role of a run-stuffing end against NFC East opponents. It could be that they considered all of this and simply didn't care because Taylor has been among the game's brightest stars for years and Snyder's philosophy as an owner seems to focus on the need for star-power above all else.

Unless Blache planned to drastically alter what he does in an attempt to put Taylor in the best possible position to do the things he did during a phenomenal 11-year career in Miami, why did the Redskins trade for this guy? When end Phillip Daniels suffered a season-ending knee injury on the first day of training camp, the Redskins would have been better off just relying on versatile defensive lineman Demetric Evans (he was scheduled to meet with the San Francisco 49ers today), which is what they wound up doing anyway.

Obviously, Taylor, who had only 3.5 sacks, did little to help the Redskins in his brief time with them. But he played hurt, and probably returned too soon after undergoing the first of two surgical procedures. For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped.

By Cindy Boren  |  March 3, 2009; 12:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

"If Cassel flops, he'll be the biggest FA bust of 08, regardless of what Haynesworth does as a Redskin. And it's a distinct possibility: it's easy to read a defense when you know they're double-covering #81.

Posted by: dpc2003"

I agree 100%. I think the Pats swindled the Chiefs.

I also feel like the Cassel saga isn't over. Cutler gets moved out of Denver, Cassel gets moved from Kansas City to Denver, the Chiefs "flip" Cassel into a net gain of a first round pick and Mike Vrabel (at the cost of a 2nd rounder). And we all jump on Pioli's nuts for being the best personnel guy in football.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Really! What do you base the "maybe" on above?

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Bring on the Jason Reid bashers.... isn't it the same negativity as the JLC posts?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

psp, if the chiefs are able to turn cassell into a first round pick, how did they get swindled by the pats?? If anything the chiefs swindled the pats based on what they COULD HAVE gotten.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry should be more specific:

"Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."

You're insinuating that the Redskins are unprofessional, yet I can find nothing in your post to substantiate that. This post is loaded with all kinds of negative connotations, it's unprofessional reporting.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Everyone on Facebook has heard of Fun Facts. Here is a Fun Question:

When JC takes a three-step drop in Zorny's nifty WC offense and eyeballs the scenario unfolding before him what does he pass?

a) the ball to an open receiver
b) the time away while his dubious peripheral vision fails to spot an open receiver
c) the time away while searching desperately for a dunderhead wide receiver who has run the wrong route
d) gas

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional"

JTaylor said himself, that he was not worth 8 million.

So he's asked to work out in VA, and instead of doing what is best for the team, he says no.

Thats professional? Really?? Is that in the reverse world where Mike Vick runs a kennel, Shawn Kemp adopts, and Roger Clemens is clean?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Several teams are interested in speaking with Jason Taylor about playing next season, according to a league source. Many were monitoring Taylor's situation, believing the Redskins would do something with him because of his high-price contract.

Great reporting, jason Reid must read ProFootball Talk, they had this story 4 hours ago.

It's funny how both Jasons said the JT signing was a good idea at the time, and now they are acting like they knew it would fail.


Obviously, Taylor, who had only 3.5 sacks, did little to help the Redskins in his brief time with them. But he played hurt, and probably returned too soon after undergoing the first of two surgical procedures. For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped.

This is the most BS I have ever read, so JT is a professional but the other guys on our team aren't.

Well my opinion of a Pro is a guy who is willing to work, sounds like JT is a little b!tch who wanted out and used his family as an excuse.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"psp, if the chiefs are able to turn cassell into a first round pick, how did they get swindled by the pats?? If anything the chiefs swindled the pats based on what they COULD HAVE gotten.

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Right now, the Chiefs have been swindled by the Pats. Cassel will be an awful QB in Kansas City. I'd put money on it.

IF they can trade Cassel for more, then the Chiefs will have swindled the Pats (although the Pats have turned a 6th round pick into a 2nd round pick, so they can't be too upset). More than likely, the Broncos will trade Cutler for more than they'd have to give up for Cassel, so they'd have a net gain (but a worse QB). And whoever gets Cutler gets what they paid for.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

From the NFC Beast re: Cutler/Soups...

Jeff (Charlotte, NC): Hey Matt - lots of rumors flying around the skins message boards wondering if there could be a 3 way trade between skins, KC, and Denver. Denver gets Cassel, skins get Cutler, KC gets Campbell and draft picks - any chance something like this happens?

Matt Mosley: (12:53 PM ET ) Jeff, you desperately need sleep. Of all the scenarios I've heard, this makes the least sense. I'm Jason Campbell's biggest apologist, but there's no way Pioli's going to give up Cassell for him. Not in a million years. Not in 10 million years.

Posted by: swowra | March 3, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Next story -- Is it my imagination or does the Post always tend to dwell on players who are no longer Redskins? Who cares what Jason Taylor does next...

How about some real inside information --
For instance:

* What is the actual salary cap situation?

* Now that the Skins are not in "cap hell"; Which players are they targeting in FA?

* What's the deal with Special Teams? And in particular who's going to be the punter and punt returner? Why has the coach (Danny Smith) been retained?

* Who are they targeting in the draft?

* Who is the new trainer?

Posted by: siris | March 3, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, I think the point is right now, the Chiefs have been swindled.

Which is mind-boggling, because their GM coach is Cassel's old GM coordinator. Who knew him better, and if he really does know Cassel, how could he overpay for the guy?

Maybe you're right, maybe Pioli is going to screw McDaniel in Denver... and in other news, Chiefs Pro Bowl guard Brian Waters asked the organization Thursday to release or trade him this offseason.

Waters 32, is the only OL ever named Offensive Player of the Week (2004). Apparently, Haley pissed Waters off big time, so maybe he'll be bundled in a trade to DEN, or if he's released will he be signed here?!?

Since Synder is all about "star power".

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

well this is gonna get u-g-l-y and I aint got no alibi not to work. enjoy!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."

What an insane statement....! J Reid has definitely turned into JLC.....

Personally, I liked Jason Taylor and did not want him to leave. But he was paid HANDSOMELY for his year in DC and due to injuries did not play much OR at his best. Despite that fact, the Skins did not ask him to restructure his contract....merely attend offseason workouts that have been placed in Hall, Haynesworth, and Dockery's new contracts...and he refused. Now the Skins are unprofessional????? Yeah, right.

Please just report the facts and leave your bias out of it.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Just a horrible signing!! You trade two picks for a guy who doesn't fit and on top of that, they play him out of position. Only the 'Skins, only the "skins....

Lost!!!!

Posted by: jon19 | March 3, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I hate reading these guys bash the Redskins every posting. It's getting to the point where they are just spewing what other media outlets are saying, and all of their "insight" is negative.

Fire these buttholes and hire somoene new before I have to un-retire my colon shank.

Posted by: PrisonBalls00 | March 3, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Jesus H. Christ, Jason! This negativity makes me want to inflict physical harm upon you.

Not really, but shut up already!

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 3, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Who cares what Jason Taylor does next..."

Couldn't agree more, good riddance. I can't to see who the Tuna picks with that 2nd rounder though...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 3, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, typos:
Chief's GM is Pat's old GM. Coach/coordinator was a mistook.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

i dont think we need 5 entries(all with negative unncessary twists due to writer bias) on jason taylors departure. most skins fans are glad he is gone. since when did JLC rub off so much on Jason Reid? Reid is acting like he has been covering the team for years, sorry but i cant buy any thing this guy writes that includes his personal opinion because of that. the post should fire everyone and rebuild the sports department void of guys who constantly turn positives into negatives to fit a personal agenda. and i mean fire EVERYONE except for the actual columnists and dan steinberg...

Posted by: X--E | March 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The last sentence on here cements Reid has been poisoned by JLC or whoever at the post. I don't want people reporting on the Skins to be cheerleaders like Larry Michael. The acutal cheerleaders would be ok with me. But all they do is take shots at the organization, many of them baseless. He can go back to reporting from his bathroom stall. I never watched those anyway. I am starting to think they really have no insider information and in order to keep up page hits here they just try to stir up anything.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 3, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I disagree about the chiefs getting swindled. Vrabel, was a pro-bowl LB in 07. Agree to disagree....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Rypien11, JReid is just as negative lately as JLC.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of winning teams that have players that work out on their own and that win more games than the Redskins do. Let's face it - twisting players' arms to get them to work out here hasn't helped us any more than letting them work out on their own.

And the article said that JT could have agreed to the incentive and then not shown up, but he didn't want to do that to his teammates. That's pretty professional.

As far as the 'Skins being unprofessional, I think that is a poor choice of words. They let him go and didn't string him along - that's professional. However, they have an EXTREME lack of foresight. 3.5 sacks for a 2nd rounder? Considering that Matt Forte, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson, Donnie Avery, and Ray Rice were all 2nd rounders last year who made great contributions to their teams, I really wish we had that 2nd rounder this year...

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I would say get Larry Michael in here, but he's the polar opposite, sucking everyone in the organizations balls.

Posted by: PrisonBalls00 | March 3, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor is a classy professional looking down at the amateurish Redskins squad?

Even though he didn't do what Blache asked him to do (and was subsequently benched)? Even though he won't spend Mon-Thur working out with HIS OWN TEAM for an extra $500k? Even though Parcells wanted nothing to do with the man BECAUSE he was unprofessional?

Cutting Taylor firmly establishes this trade as a monumental gaffe but please don't try to paint him as a victim. He turned down $9mil and a chance to play alongside the best D-lineman in football for a historic franchise because he didn't get to play his way. Professional? Please.

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | March 3, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider no longer gives us inside info. All they do is take shots at the team and report things after they happen.

Every logical part of my brain tells me I should just not come to this site or pay any attention to what the post says about anything... but I keep coming back and so do all of you.

From a reporting and unbiased perspective, RI leaves much to be desired. However, we keep coming back, so its hard to argue thay arent doing their job.

Posted by: bighairedaristocrat | March 3, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

+++Clearly, the Taylor-Redskins union did not work. Some would say that it was doomed from the outset because Taylor's skills did not fit the disciplined scheme that defensive coordinator Greg Blache runs.++--JASON REID


Disciplined, Schmisiplined. He weighs 240 pounds and went against guys a hundred pounds heavier, was playing out of position, and arrived with Plantar Fasciitis and a pretty Red Ribbon around his neck, tied by a laughing Bill Parcels.

Put Taylor back in the system he came from, and yes, he could help a team a lot.

But ask him to be a LDE in the NFC East, and he's a blocking sled.

Come on Flounder, defend Vinny on that move...

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow, RI is really Breaking Bad. Dreary article after dreary article on JT after badly being outscooped by ESPN and NFL.com on AH, DH and DD.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 3, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."
--------------------------------------

This is a ghastly excuse for Journalism. It's supposed to be the "Five Ws." Not, "...maybe...(fill in the blank of your slap at the organization.) Maybe? That's just awful.

Posted by: PS7900 | March 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

twisting players' arms to get them to work out here hasn't helped us any more than letting them work out on their own.

unless you're talking about Portis last year....right??

cork, no one is defending this trade. try and follow along, or go sniff paint fumes....scratch that..go sniff paint fumes....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Vrabel, was a pro-bowl LB in 07. Agree to disagree....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

As was Jason Taylor. But fair enough, agree to disagree.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Bye Taylor, you won't be missed.

Hi Crowell, Willis, Keiaho...

welcome back Evans and Daniels....

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Come on Flounder, defend Vinny on that move...

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:04 PM |

I didn't like the trade, I supported it after it happened because there is nothing I could do about it.

Cutting him was a great move because it free's up alot of money.

Cork defend Jason Reids comment about the lack of professionalizm on the Redskins.

Snyder has shown a great degree of proffesionalizm over the years, with Taylors death and other things he has done for players.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

bighairedaristocrat,

most of us come here for the comments section, where I'm sure the beat reporters get their breaking news...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

+++Next story -- Is it my imagination or does the Post always tend to dwell on players who are no longer Redskins? Who cares what Jason Taylor does next.+++

About 95% of the posters here.

Not saying that's god, but we're a society that most cares about Madonna and what Octomom had for breakfast.

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, anybody coming for a FA visit?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't like going after Willis. What if he doesn't work out? If we're gonna go after someone in FA, it should be someone good, not someone who MIGHT be good... especially when were talking about OT.

Do we think hes the long term answer at RT? If not, we shoudl shelve the idea and get our RT in the draft. We shouldn't get him just for the sake of getting him. We don't need depth there, we need STARTERS.

In case we forget, Rabach and Thomas are now our two weakest links on the line. If we add a weak RT to that, its open season on that side of the field.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

++Cork defend Jason Reids comment about the lack of professionalizm on the Redskins.

Snyder has shown a great degree of proffesionalizm over the years, with Taylors death and other things he has done for players.

Posted by: Flounder21 +++

Depend on your definition (and spelling) of "Professionalism."

If you mean serving the bottom line, and putting millions in his own pockets, there are few professionals in sports better than Dan Snyder.

When it comes to building a Professional Football team, not so much

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm still unsure how this is a 'curious' end.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Doesn't it bother you that the two beat reporters, have alienated themselves from the team they are paid to cover?

They can work the phones all day and they still break 0 nada stories on the Skins.

Case and point one of them posted the other day that Dockery was coming for a visit. At the same time everyone else was reporting that Dockery had signed already.
1 hour later you guys posted Dockery had signed.

I'm not saying any reporter should kiss the FO's a$$, but report on the news and keep your opinions to a medium level.

They don't need to overly bash or overly praise, because really neither one of them know that much about football.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

what a coward you are cork.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

+++cork, no one is defending this trade.++--BEANS

Sure, NOW, nobody's defending the trade. But myself and others still have scars form those who thought it was a brilliant maneuver last Fall...

Welcome Beans to the anti-Taylor Bandwagon. Better late than never.


+++try and follow along, or go sniff paint fumes....scratch that..go sniff paint fumes....+++

You been watching "Goodfellas?" You channelling Jimmy Two-times?

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

If so many teams were interested in Jason Taylor, why didn't we trade him and get a draft choice back? Because he makes too much money, nobody wants him at $8 million.

Taylor could have worked 3 days at Redskins Park and flown home to be with his family. JT wanted out and the Skins wanted him to restructure his contract to provide some more cap relief. All this other bs is just smoke.

All you posters who want the Skins to develop their players from within, what's your problem with Stephon Heyer? 2 years ago as a rookie, he filled in well for Chris Samuels on the left side. Last year he beat out Jansen on the right side and, after returning from injury, filled in again for Samuels on the left side. With one more off season to work on technique and get stronger, I think he can be a good starting RT. Why is everyone else giving up on him? Same thing with Rhinehart. The kid is just heading into his 2nd season. If the Skins draft Michael Oher, are you going to give up on him next year after a so-so rookie season? What's the point of drafting young OLs if you're not going to have the patience to let them develop?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree Willis may not work out, however, I personally think we need 2 tackles. Jansen is done, so that makes Heyer our starter right now, and if we draft a tackle that hopefully makes Heyer a backup but our only backup. Other than Samuels we were very very healthy last year we still need the depth we've lacked for years on the Oline, the huge issue is our starters aged and we need starters too! IMHO we still need to add a guard/center and we need to add two tackles and if Willis was going to get big money he already would have gotten it so signing him to a reasonable deal gives us either a starter or a quality backup.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I think we will sign D Evans in the next day or so. He went to SF to establish a market value. I think he will see if the Skins will match. As long as it isn't too high, we'll sign him.

I'm a little confused though. We released Ol' Shanksy after last season. Now some of you want to bring him back?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The Taylor release DID NOT GO DOWN AS ITS BEING DESCRIBED. Seriously, all the married guys up here KNOW that. Why. Because none of them can imagine this phone call:

Husband: My company wants me to spend another month with them on the road

Wife: You know we like it when you're home.

Husband: I can quit the company and get another job and take a SIX MILLION DOLLAR PAY CUT

Wife: We really want you home baby, leave the $6,000,000 behind.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

break your arm patting yourself on the back, then build a time machine, and go back in time, and prevent this trade from happening.

come back only when these things are done, because you're so good at claiming to be right, AFTER the fact.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I continue to be amazed by the vitriol so many readers have for the writers of this blog. What would a good blog entry look like to you? (And don't just say, "unbiased," because bias is in the eye of the beholder.)

Some of you seem to think the point of the blog is to be the first to report a story, but that's pretty clearly not what they're going for here. There are other sources that put out information like "Redskins release J. Taylor" first, and RI doesn't seem to be that kind of outlet.

It looks to me like the editors want RI to be informed speculation about things Redskin. They know what sources JLC and JR have, and they're confident those sources are real and of high quality. If you think they're lying, call Cindy on it.

You don't like JLC, JR, Wilbon, Wise (who panned the AH signing), Sally Jenkins. Whom do you like? What does a good reporter and/or columnist look like to you?

Posted by: asdf5 | March 3, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The plan should be to sign Igor and Evans, perhaps Daniels and OLB if FA. Draft three OL and one LB. This should fix most of our problems outside of Teams.

And if Andre Smith is the OT that falls to us at 13, then sign him using an incentive laden contract.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Some thoughts on criticizing the team brought on by reading the comments the last few days.

There seem to be two opposing camps on this blog. On the one hand, some argue it’s wrong to “hate” on the team by ever saying anything negative about them. The other camp might argue that as with government, it’s your right, if not obligation, to be vigilant and point out mistakes.

Some here say posters lack credibility if they “use hindsight” to criticize, for example, the Jason Taylor trade. But those same people don’t seem to tolerate the use of foresight to critique, for example, the free agent signings as they happen. This seems to be a bit of a contradiction.

It’s fair to say you couldn’t know Jason Taylor would get hurt, but it’s also fair to say it’s risky to trade a lot for an aging player who might get hurt. It’s also fair to say such trades wouldn’t be necessary if the Redskins drafted young, more cap-friendly players for depth. Given the frequency of injuries in the NFL, betting on any couple of players (e.g. Haynesworth & Hall) instead of building depth is necessarily risky. But risk can be good if things break the right way.

Either way, we fans have a lot more information now about the Jason Taylor trade than you did when it was made. For example, would as many people have supported the Jason Taylor trade if they knew that D-Coord Greg Blache didn’t want him on the team? That seems pretty important. Does Blache want Haynesworth? Like Taylor, Haynesworth excels when he freelances, rather than plays according to the redskins rigid system. Will Haynesworth make less of an impact in DC than he would in a different system? Does that mean he’s worth less than the $12 mil/year the team has committed?

Finally, it amuses and confuses me to read all the negativity toward this blog. If you don’t like it, why read it? There are lots of other sources for sports information, and if you want just “facts” and not opinions then don’t read a blog at all.

And if you think this blog is the only place where Redskins management decisions get criticized, then you really should look around more.

Posted by: beatkal | March 3, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"One would think that Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, would have included that in their decision-making process before they squandered a second-round pick in April's draft and a sixth-round pick in the 2010 draft for a player they parted ways with after one injury-shortened, unproductive season."



Ah, tabloid journalism at its best. One would think that the beat reporters would stop trying to sell us their bs. These are the same doughboy hacks that last summer said the trade was necessary because Daniels went down and D-Line was already an area of weakness, their only problem was Vinny hurt their feelings by not telling THEM about it before it was finalized. Remember, JLC posted some entry and called it "The Immaculate Deception" because Vinny kept the trade a secret until it was finalized, so as to not allow another team to come in and outbid. So, their only problem last summer was that Vinny failed to inform the media when they asked (who obviously think they're entitled to know everything and have a ridiculously inflated sense of self-importance). I frankly wish they didn't tell any of these dopes from the Post anything, they are your source for everything anti-Redskin.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Great defense I like how you throw out the making money, like every other owner in the NFL is not in this to make money.

So Snyder flying the entire team to Taylors funeral, was greedy and just away to make money.

Flying Springs to dallas every weekend to visit his father, was a pretty classless move as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Willis seems like he may be right on par with the talent of Heyer. No need to spend big money on him. Vet min sure but we'd be better served to go with Heyer or draft someone.

You guys should just stop paying cork any mind. He isn't funny or insightful as much as he likes to think he is. If he comes across in person anywhere close to as he does here, safe to say he is one of the most annoying dudes gracing this planet. Just look for the ++++++++++ and then keep scrolling by.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Could not agree more Flounder on your post to Cindy...

When will get real news from the FO about where we sit on Cap space, who we are targeting right now, any work being done on the holes we have such as LB, DE, OL, etc.

The other issue here is why does the Post retain two beat writers that write the same style and tone, bush league...we get the same crap whoever writes it.

I usually stick up for JLAC, but this FA coverage sucks and the negative juice is pissing me off...I do as well remember the BJ he gave to the FO for picking up JTaylor last season, I think he even stated it was the MOVE we HAD to make.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

we're a society that most cares about Madonna and what Octomom had for breakfast.

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 1:12 PM

Denny's just announced its Octomom Special ... eight eggs, no sausage, and the table next to you gets the bill.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

'...Who cares what Jason Taylor does next...'

Amen, brother.

Let's get Chris Wilson or R Jackson on the field and see what they can do.

Either one of him at his best will be better than Taylor was at his worst this past season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Man, I feel like I came back for nothing. What a punch to the gut this reporting is.

Later, folks.

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 3, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

how bad is the Denny's commercial with the NANERPUSS, that crap kills me, I laugh everytime, who would put that on TV for a food place.

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 3, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

'...no sausage...'

It's my understanding there was no sausage involved in Octomom getting pregnant.

The man in me sees this as a bad development.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I echoe the sentiments regarding the negative journalism. That last sentence by Boren is "bush league"!

Why must we turn every departing Redskin into a martyr? (Bailey, Clark, Arrington, Pierce)

What did we do to Jason Taylor?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

SWEEN - that was fantastic. Hope i hear more of those. What a nutcase.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

'...no sausage...'


It's my understanding there was no sausage involved in Octomom getting pregnant.

The man in me sees this as a bad development.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:39 PM |

Well there was a sausage involved at one point, it was just no where near OctoMom.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Best comercial the little talking baby in the golf outfit.

The old man says you moved your ball, the baby responds it was on the cart path read the rules shankopotamous.

Cracks me up every time I see it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

My answer:

Pick up Igor if reasonable and Blache likes him. Bring Evans back. Daniels, eh, take him or leave him. We have enough young guys to play backup.

If a big RT is there at #13, take him. If not, Orakpo. If neither, trade back and try and get Britton/Loadholt and a good LB.

Next year, we get a C, G, and more LBs, we should be set.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 3, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It could be that they considered all of this and simply didn't care because Taylor has been among the game's brightest stars for years and Snyder's philosophy as an owner seems to focus on the need for star-power above all else.

By Cindy Boren | March 3, 2009; 12:23 PM ET
Previous: Wanted: Tackle, Linebackers, Guard-Center |

Sad, but true. I agree 100%. He creates star power and a lot of hype with these outrageous contact signings, even if the player is not or no longer a star. I truly believe he loves the skins, but I think each year in the offseason he creates this frenzy, by signing players to these huge contracts (even though no other teams will do so) to get us all siked up for the season and believe we have some great player because he's being paid so much. Then we have this hype machine going and by game 6 it all comes crashing down. I disagree with his philosophy but not downing it because I too get caught up in the hype. He may be able to buy the right combination of players one day and win it all but the year in and year out hype is real, and I believe its all apart of his business philosophy.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The plan should be to sign Igor and Evans, perhaps Daniels and OLB if FA. Draft three OL and one LB. This should fix most of our problems outside of Teams.

And if Andre Smith is the OT that falls to us at 13, then sign him using an incentive laden contract.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 3, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Curz, good to hear from you.

The problem with drafting 3 OL is that several would have to be cut. We already have Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer as starters right now. Jansen, Rinehart, Batiste, Clark, Ross, Riley and Montgomery as backups.

I'm all for signing Smith or Oher at #13. But adding more low round picks doesn't make much sense to me.

I think we need to pick LB's and athletes that can play on special teams, like CB's and safeties.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Cant wait to see how many WINS Scott Pioli accumulates without Bell Belicheck around...

Crennel (supposed genius) flopped in Cleveland. Mangini (Man-Genius) to many flopped in NY. Charlie Weiss (offensive guru-supposedly) is flopping in Notre Dame. Josh McDaniel will _____ in Denver.

Eventually someone has to pan out as a good coach right? Or is Belicheck just the man?

I hear the Pats assistant-special teams-coordinator is a stud of a head coach...sign him up!!!!!

Posted by: Redskins2Win | March 3, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

'....Haynesworth excels when he freelances, rather than plays according to the redskins rigid system...

Dude, this is Saturday's discussion.

He's on the team.

I would've dangled a draft pick and a player in front of the panthas for J Gross, but hey, I got income taxes to deal with and grass to smoke, errr, I mean cut.

Get on the "What Can Us Little Guys Do About It?" Bandwagon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Sad, but true. I agree 100%. He creates star power and a lot of hype with these outrageous contact signings, even if the player is not or no longer a star. I truly believe he loves the skins, but I think each year in the offseason he creates this frenzy, by signing players to these huge contracts (even though no other teams will do so) to get us all siked up for the season and believe we have some great player because he's being paid so much. Then we have this hype machine going and by game 6 it all comes crashing down. I disagree with his philosophy but not downing it because I too get caught up in the hype. He may be able to buy the right combination of players one day and win it all but the year in and year out hype is real, and I believe its all apart of his business philosophy.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 1:44 PM |

Really each year name the players that fit this mold the last two years, or the 2005 season how about the 2001,2002,2003 seasons.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh boo hoo another negative post. All I'll do about it is whine like a baby about the negativity. Waaa-Waaa-Waaa say something nice about Snyder and the 'Skins waaa-waaa-waaa.

Some of you all need some shovels and/or beach toys that can help get the sand out of your v*ginas.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

As we go thru the Skins situation, its becoming clearer to many up here that Haynesworth and Hall didn't fill a lot of core needs of this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Redskins2,

The problem with your post is Scott Pioli is not a coach he is a GM, maybe you mean Josh Mcdaniels.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I gotta go Keep of the fight guys and gals.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

'....What did we do to Jason Taylor?...'


Count the days before Belichek swoops in and turns Taylor into the second coming of Mike Vrabel.

What'll truly suck for us is that now the Tom "God" Brady is back, the pats v. stillers might be next year's best match up as a championship game in the snow.

And if Tom Terrific gets J Taylor to the supa bowl, Redskins fans will feel like the old '...sausage...' has been slipped in and out of our very tight backsides--again.

Without the lubrication this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

JTaylor said himself, that he was not worth 8 million.

So he's asked to work out in VA, and instead of doing what is best for the team, he says no.

Thats professional? Really?? Is that in the reverse world where Mike Vick runs a kennel, Shawn Kemp adopts, and Roger Clemens is clean?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

They are saying he is a professional in this sense based solely on the fact the he expressed the ability to spend time with his kids during the summer to Snyder. I believe the team new this and prodded him to get this exact result. Basically they had a deal in place and the skins broke the deal. Not that this thing about his kids was in the contract but they agreed to change nothing in the contract from the beginning and thats what the skins were trying to do. Either way we could get someone to get 3.5 sacks for $300,000 not 8 mil.

From the post:
"He is really dedicated to spending time with them at home, and he just felt very strongly about that. He had a conversation with Dan, and he told Dan his feelings about the situation. Jason really respects Dan, but this was very important to Jason."

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

15600 wanting to spend time with his kids/family, makes him a good parent, and that is to be commended. That does not make him a professional in any way shape or form...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."

Ok, that does it, I'm done with this idiotic "Insider" section for good. What a joke. Totally biased and unsubstantiated comment as always. Just terrible journalism. The Jasons have no shame, and even less talent and ability.

But that aside, to me his 2 sacks to beat the Eagles alone was worth $8 million of someone else's money. But now we need the cap space, so he is gone. No reason to try to put thoughts in his head Jasons. Those are your thoughts alone. Any we're all tired of hearing them.

Posted by: kcc1 | March 3, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow! You guys who are all for "killing the messengers" JLC and Reid are unbelievable. Do you work for the 'Skins? (If you do, watch out for layoffs.)
What they're saying in regards to "professionalism", is that Danny and Vinny are amateur fantasy football league operators that keep making the wrong moves over and over. And over. How many times do you need to be hit over the head before it hurts. Instead of jumping on the Post you should be flooding Redskin Park with complaints about the 'Skins continued ineptitude. And a real GM.

Posted by: starfer | March 3, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

from the Times info on Dock:

If the Buffalo Bills had managed to file the necessary paperwork on a trade which would've sent guard Derrick Dockery to the Detroit Lions last Thursday on the eve of the opening of free agency. Instead, the Bills declined to pay Dockery his $1.75 million roster bonus and cut him.

For the trade to have gone through, Dockery would have had to agree to push back the bonus until after he had passed the Lions' physical. By the time that Buffalo and Detroit agreed on the price for Dockery -- a seventh-round pick in 2010

Posted by: TWISI | March 3, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You guys that are beating up Jason Taylor are really missing the big picture. This team has been a disaster since Charlie Casserly's personnel decisions started taking effect. (James Brown must be the best friend in the world to have Casserly on that show cause Charlie don't know squat - he ruined two franchises). And Danny boy has taken the team to new lows.

Jason is a breath of fresh air in this world of losers, scum bags, druggies, drunks, and family infidelity. He also has the quickest feet of any lineman in football. I'm glad for him that he used them to get out of this disaster known as the Washington Football Redskins.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 3, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

As we go thru the Skins situation, its becoming clearer to many up here that Haynesworth and Hall didn't fill a lot of core needs of this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Somewhat disagree. Skins may have had more pressing needs, but D-Line has been a problem for a long long time. Probably has been neglected the longest. With this being said D Hall is a Pro Bowl caliber corner (we haven't had this since Champ, although Springs served well). The problem is Skins just have a lot of holes to fill. But these 2 guys may pan out. Best at there positions that were available.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."

------

....and the Pot called the Kettle...

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

So Snyder flying the entire team to Taylors funeral, was greedy and just away to make money.

Flying Springs to dallas every weekend to visit his father, was a pretty classless move as well.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse


And he was a real d!ck for flying Todd Collins back to boston to be there for the birth of his child...


I think Snyder should sell the team to Zigy wilf,because the vikes have REAL football people running the team.and an owner who knows how to treat his players!!!

Posted by: jumbo5383 | March 3, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Early in the Maltese Falcon, the femme fatale tells Sam Spade (Bogart) the reasons she did some unusual things. Spade listens, then asks, "was there any truth in that story?"
"A little, not much"

Taylor's release had NOTHING to do with workouts at Redskins Park. Its a story. Is there any truth in it? A little, not much.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Am I not a real fan if I appreciate the wapo's skins coverage?

you guys are so mad...and it's not even the season.
skins have been bad for so long. and snyder is not a likeable person. and
every move he's made to improve the team hasn't worked. and
vinny bipasses local media and feeds news to espn/nfl network and
you guys are up in arms about negative coverage of the skins? sorry i don't get it.

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

15600_sknfan

Not questioning the talent of Hall and Haynesworth. Both are extremely talented -- though we'll see if they play as hard after getting paid. The real need on the DL was at DE. Carter just doesn't cut it, Taylor, as we know, wasn't even healthy. Evans was our best DE. Kind of a scary thought when a decent rotation is your best guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

z, you got something to back that up with?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Who in hell tagged Romeo Crennel a 'genius'?

Him and Weis are nothing more than disciples of Belichick... his Peter and Paul.

Neither Weis nor Crennel can do all the cool stuff like win super bowls and turn water into wine.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

exactly ZZ....

vinny/JT agent are friends...they co-constructed the narrative to save face for all on a move all parties wanted.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid and JLC are hacks.....They know the negativity is the only thing that gets them attention because their "insider-ship" means that they are 8th in the pecking order to leak a story.

Mediocrity...thy name is JR or JLC....

Posted by: goosedude | March 3, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

deal, where you been? I'm going to assume the lions blog. Who they picking #1 overall??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

As we go thru the Skins situation, its becoming clearer to many up here that Haynesworth and Hall didn't fill a lot of core needs of this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I think AH will have a huge change on the D core needs. The biggest problem last year was that the D line put no pressure on the passer. In Blache's D scheme, everyone stays in their lane on the pass rush. When the DE's come around the backside, the QB could simply step up and have time to throw. AH will bring pressure from the front, so that AC and ?? will be able to pressure from the sides.

I think that DHall, CR and Smoot will be as good as SS, CR and Smoot were last year.

AH is the key.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

JLC and JR truly are incapable of writing a positive article or post.

I just think they never learned how.

Modern Journalism is all about tearing people down (period)

Bring in Scott Pioli and they will try to tear him down.

Bring in Bill Cowher? ...and they will try to will tear him down.

Bring back Joe Gibbs?...couldn't wait to try and tear him down!

You could sign Haynesworth for $1 a year and they would rip it as a bad move!

JLC and JR should call themselves Doom and Gloom!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

My concern comes to filling his spot. Not who can do it, but what the organization might attempt to do to fill it. We have Buzzbee, Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson (and one other guy if Im not mistaken) who can fight for that spot. They are young,and already on our payrole at a cheap price. I will hate to see them use our 13th pick for another defensive player or sign another FA at a high price. We are now, what 9 mil under cap? I can only hope this comes as common sense to the decision makers (and let the comments begin from that remark!!haha).

Posted by: erleach | March 3, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

For those who continually bash the "Jasons" for their "negative" reporting regarding the Skins, how else do you explain the Skins mediocre record since Snyder bought the team?

Posted by: hokiepokster92 | March 3, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This clearly makes some very important observations that we have all been guessing and even arguing about.

1. That EVEN UNDER JOE GIBBS the guy pulling the trigger for personnel decisions was always, (No, not Vinnie Cerrato), Daniel J. Snyder. Whether the coaching staff agreed or not.

2. That both Danny and Vinny listen to various agents' analysis of players before they listen to their coaches. They seem to have issue communicating with coaches while they seem very gregarious where agents are concerned.

3. Blache is clearly putting his stamp on this defense and the team. This year it will look even more like a 4-3 setup he is accustomed to having.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about...

What either Jason Reid or La Canfora has to say in a article, or on this blog. Why? I stopped relying on the Washington Post a long time ago for breaking news regarding the Redskins. The last time anyone in Ashburn gave JLC the 'scoop', it was during the Sean Taylor tragedy. La Canfora isn't going to change his style of "reporting", or is he going to change his stnce on the front office. Its just something that you're going to have to get used to if you read anything 'skins related coming from the post.

Seriously, either get used to it, or get over it. I can't believe the level of b*tching after all this time regarding La Canfora/WaPost and their relationship with the Washington Redskins. It's nothing new, people.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Golly, I'm thrilled at the return of unrestrained deuchebaggery up here.

If he read the comments, which I doubt, I imagine it would be immensely gratifying to Jason Reid to be excoriated up here with the same zeal that was once reserved for Jason La Canfora alone.

But the irony is that all the sniping and griping among the commenters is good business for the Post, which I reckon is chiefly interested in traffic and participation. So it's, like, funny.

Vinny sucks, Danny sucks... yet nothing and nobody sucks like not winning the Super Bowl sucks.

Like all of you, I hope this particular free agent binge works out better than the offseason shabingi they've attempted in the past decade. By which I mean I hope somehow all these roster changes bring us another Lombardi Trophy. That's the only way the idiots running the show at Redskin Park can turn our collective frown upside down.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"JLC and JR should call themselves Doom and Gloom!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

Clearly and discernibly and IDIOT. You played football? Yeah dressing up the barbies and butting their heads.

Grammar school whiner.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

embarassing to see how many people insist on drinking the Skins Kool-Aid. what decisions have earned VC and Snyder the right to avoid criticism (a la Belicheck and Pioli?)

JTaylor not playing isn't the issue. The 2nd round draft pick is. The same idiots saying "no big deal, we need the salary space...he's not that good" would be crying if we cut D Thomas, M Kelley or F Davis after 1 year. it would essentially be the same thing.

2nd round picks are the lifeblood of any good team. talented but not too expensive.

for someone that fires everyone he comes into contact with, Cerrato is the only guy Snyder DOESN'T fire, despite doing the crappiest job of all. must have naked pictures of The Danny doing something, somewhere.....

Posted by: fnkyniedls | March 3, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

From the Maltese Falcon, Bogart and Mary Astor ...

Spade: (smiling) You are a liar.
Brigid: I am. I've always been a liar.
Spade: Don't brag about it. Was there any truth at all in that yarn?
Brigid: Some...not very much...Oh, I'm - I'm so tired, so tired of lying and making up lies, not knowing what is a lie and what's the truth. I wish...


Now, lets repeat that story to a modern version ...

Skins beat reporter: (smiling) You are a liar.
Skins Mgmt: I am. I've always been a liar.
Skins beat reporter: Don't brag about it. Was there any truth at all in that yarn about Jason Taylor?
Skins Mgmt: Some...not very much...Oh, I'm - I'm so tired, so tired of lying and making up lies, not knowing what is a lie and what's the truth. I wish...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor couldn't handle the NFC East pounding. I was really surprised at how small he was. He really cost the Redskin a lot and someones head should of rolled!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | March 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

....and the Pot called the Kettle...

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:12 PM


Ma or Pa.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"With this being said D Hall is a Pro Bowl caliber corner (we haven't had this since Champ, although Springs served well).

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009"

Springs was pretty much an older version of a Pro Bowl caliber cornerback. Samari Rolle might become available. They should consider signing the guy as a replacement for Springs.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Am I not a real fan if I appreciate the wapo's skins coverage?

you guys are so mad...and it's not even the season.
skins have been bad for so long. and snyder is not a likeable person. and
every move he's made to improve the team hasn't worked. and
vinny bipasses local media and feeds news to espn/nfl network and
you guys are up in arms about negative coverage of the skins? sorry i don't get it.

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 2:20 PM

Dealer1, I am in total agreement with you. It boggles my mind how some folks defend every move Snyder has made. Starting with 2000, all of these splashy signings have resulted in nothing but mediocrity.

Posted by: hokiepokster92 | March 3, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I see you missed me, Mr. Mike DT!

ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"I think AH will have a huge change on the D core needs. The biggest problem last year was that the D line put no pressure on the passer.
Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009"

When he plays. When Springs and Washington played the defense was decidedly different, perhaps the best in the league as opposed to 4th best. But they did not play that often.

AH played only 2 more games than Springs since 2004. Hall has had attitude problems in the recent past.

What happens when they don't play?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

z, you got something to back that up with?

Posted by: BeantownGreg


Yup. Every marriage I know. No wife ever tells her husband to take a massive pay cut -- let alone over a 1 month away from home.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"I see you missed me, Mr. Mike DT!

ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

I like using the "over" and "under" to slam idiots. Of course ... ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Jason, why do you hate the Skins so much? That last sentence... How did it relate to the rest of the story? It just comes across as a mean-spirited cheap shot.

Posted by: Giveussomehope | March 3, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

My two cents...

Defense is much better off than last year already. We played most of the season last year without Marcus, Springs, and Taylor anyways, and Dhall for a full season should mean more picks, and Haynesworth and Griffen might be the best starting DT combo in the league, should push Carter back to double digit sacks. Yes we have a hole at DE and LB right now, but those can be addressed, especially with the beef we have at DT, average players next to and behind them at DE are going to look good, look at Kearse, he was in the talk for Pro Bowl last year after being cut and left for dead by Philly. If the resign one of Evans or Daniels or both cheaply that's great and fills the need and they can draft LBs in the later rounds and get away with it, especially if its a 3rd round LB, he could easily be starter.

On offense Dockery is a major upgrade over Kendall, and assuming we can add at least an upgrade at RT in the draft we should be much stronger there as well but I would like to see one more young lineman signed.

IMHO a key to the rest of this offseason besides filling out Oline depth is to find a solid vet receiver if there is one for a reasonable price for insurance with Kelly and Thomas, and to add a legit change of pace back behind CP. Personally, I would like to see us look at one of in order Devery Henderson, Amani Toomer, or Bobby Engram and one of in order JJ Arrington (his Denver deal fell through, he's still available), Warrick Dunn, or Michael Pittman or if we can sign a starter at LB use our 3rd round pick on James Davis from Clemson or Devin Moore from Wyoming.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Signing Jason Taylor was a good move. Phillip Daniels went down for the season early last year and Snyder hired a durable Hall of Fame replacement coming off an 11 sack season.

No one could have predicted Taylor's freak injury for the first time in his career.

It was a good move that just didn't pan out. Life is like that sometimes. Let it go and move on.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"I see you missed me, Mr. Mike DT!

ROFLMAO

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

I like using the "over" and "under" to slam idiots. Of course ... ~smiles~

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Please tells us more of your "Mike" DT!

Have you moved AH to cornerback yet or are you keeping him at DE?

How about we move Jason Campbell to LB?

ROFLMAO Bwahahahahahaha!


I still can stop laughing at you, dude!

I'm sorry but you shouldn't have gone full retard!

I don't know if I should call you Mike DT or Simple Jack!!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1


The Maltese Falcon post deserves a bronze Cavemen Redskins Award for Best Use of Someone Else's Words....an award which, on this blog, several unsavory characters were vying for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Nate, those are some really expansive, long syllable words to be throwing around up here.

Anybody feel like scouting the Australian rules football league to find us a new punter?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about...

Jason Taylor.

I don't care if he retires or plays in '09. It's obvious that he didn't want to be here, if he did, he would've fully committed to the offseason workouts.

It's obvious that Washington didn't want him either. If they did, they would've granted his request to workout where ever he planned on this offseason.

Jason Taylor was signed out of desperation... and for jersey sales, media attention, and his overall body of work. He never really fitted in scheme wise, and I'd go so far to say that he really didn't fit in well with his teammates either, at least that is what it appeared to me as.

Now that it's over, it's over. Someone made a really good point, why do the fans have to make every departing Redskins a martyr? Why can't it be that the relationship ran it's course.

Buh-bye to Jason Taylor and good luck to him. To bad his full potential wasn't maximized while here in D.C.

You can't judge the guy on his time here, it was too short and injury plagued. But I was curious to see how he'd look next to Haynesworth, and hopefully both of them playing injury free throughout the season.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

....and the Pot called the Kettle...

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:12 PM


Ma or Pa.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 3, 2009 2:35 PM

Pol

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

'....Haynesworth excels when he freelances, rather than plays according to the redskins rigid system...

Dude, this is Saturday's discussion.

He's on the team.

Get on the "What Can Us Little Guys Do About It?" Bandwagon.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

As I'm sure you know, that was hardly the point of my post. Please forgive me that the blogging elite already discussed that sentence on Saturday. Sheesh.

I don't know if you mean the "What Can Us Little Guys Do About It?" Bandwagon sarcastically or not, but I think it starts with not trying to silence those who criticize the front office.

Posted by: beatkal | March 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

zjfr ... Carter won't get double digit sacks unless he improves his game somehow. Carter was manhandled, one on one. Carter made the LT on the other teams look like hall of famers.

I agree with cutting ties with Springs, Washington and Taylor. They did play maybe 1/3 of the plays. Not enough to justify their salaries, but each leaves a hole to fill. Watching Evans go FA wasn't good since he'd benefit from Haynesworth more than Carter.

The issue is depth and too many positions where we remain vulnerable. Outside LB, right side of the OL, WR.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Really each year name the players that fit this mold the last two years, or the 2005 season how about the 2001,2002,2003 seasons.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Last year we weren't very active in FA. That was 2008

I will let you decide and this is oo\ff the top off my head.

2007 - Fred Smoot 25 mil to play Nickel corner (thats starters money, not for the best DB but it is starters money. The other FA was Fletcher (Good Pickup)

For instance I don't even know this guy not that I should:

The cornerback market continues to explode. On Monday, the St. Louis Rams reached an agreement with free-agent CB Ron Bartell on a four-year, $28 million contract that includes $13.5 millon in guaranteed money.

Bartell started 16 games for the Rams in 2008 and recorded three interceptions.

2006:
Everyone the Skins picked up was overpaid except Collins and if you ask me they were all busts except Carter who is average at best.

2005:

All they did was lose 2 years of the real Fred Smoot and lets not mention Antonio Pierce (he got 25 mil from the Giants we couldn't give him that at the time but turned right around and paid London fletcher an older player the same money)

I would go on, and on, and on but you see my point. Bottom line is I feel we verpay just to hype things up so that he can sale tickets. Other teams really value players and go play football games, I really feel that most of Snyder's interest ly on the business side of things around here.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Clearly and discernibly and IDIOT. You played football? Yeah dressing up the barbies and butting their heads.

Grammar school whiner.


Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:33 PM |



Based on the quality and substance of your writing, you may want to go back to grammar school and learn a few basics from the English language. Just remember to listen to what the judge said and keep your distance from all of the little boys there.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Anybody feel like scouting the Australian rules football league to find us a new punter?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I second that! but I'd like to see us make a push for RFA Sam Koch (34 kicks inside the 20)

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

15600 wanting to spend time with his kids/family, makes him a good parent, and that is to be commended. That does not make him a professional in any way shape or form...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it does when you say so up front. Its like if your Girl friend tells you shes really a man and you choose not to believe her. Then when you pull up the skirt and she says I told you so, who's fault is it that you get the $h!t end of the deal. He told them he wanted to spend time with his family they tried to alter that but the bottom line is we didn't need him anyway. Get peppers, still young.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The thing to remember when looking at the 2009 team is this. The 2008 team was a good team -- until injuries became an issue. Are we more or less vulnerable to injuries in 2009?

We got rid of 3 guys who were hurt for significant chunks of last year. But we haven't replaced any of them. We added 1 guy to replace an aging vet on the OL.

We're looking at pretty much the same risk that took down the 2008 season.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

15600_sknfan

Not questioning the talent of Hall and Haynesworth. Both are extremely talented -- though we'll see if they play as hard after getting paid. The real need on the DL was at DE. Carter just doesn't cut it, Taylor, as we know, wasn't even healthy. Evans was our best DE. Kind of a scary thought when a decent rotation is your best guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I hear you but pressure from the D-Line has been extinct around here from any position. I don't think they just want a DE to pressure the QB. IMO they would like 2 DE's and 2 Tackles 2 get pressure or to just do what they get paid for, effectively, on every play. I would want that from every player for 127 mil annually.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, Hall for a full season is a replacement of Springs, and Haynesworth is a major upgrade of the 70% effective because of injuries Griffen. We haven't replaced Marcus or Taylor yet but we will.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, I also was thinking about Sav Rocca ... and not just because I think Sav is an awesome first name ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I think AH will have a huge change on the D core needs. The biggest problem last year was that the D line put no pressure on the passer.
Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009"

When he plays. When Springs and Washington played the defense was decidedly different, perhaps the best in the league as opposed to 4th best. But they did not play that often.

AH played only 2 more games than Springs since 2004. Hall has had attitude problems in the recent past.

What happens when they don't play?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:39 PM |




How many times do you have to miserably lose the same argument before you stop beating your moron drum? You want to use the "when he plays" card for Haynesworth and use Springs and Washington as your counterpoints??? How about some actual facts: over the last 3 years, Washington has missed 12 games due to injury, Springs has missed 14 games due to knjury, and Haynesworth has missed 5 due to injury. Not to mention that going forward, Haynesworth is 27, while Springs and Washington will be 34 and 32 this season, respectively. So, Haynesworth has been more durable, and (based on age and past history) will be more durable. I don't even need to bring up the fact that playing on one of the lines greatly increases the risk of injury over playing a position like DB, and to a lesser extent LB. Now go home to Mommy you b!tch.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"We haven't replaced Marcus or Taylor yet but we will.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009"

With Haynesworth, you just need 1 I think. And it probably should be Washington. However, that we must also fear. What will Snyder give up to get a replacement?

Suggs? Peppers? OR Evans? Philips?

Wondering if we will even make it to April 25th with all draft picks intact for this year and following years?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"With this being said D Hall is a Pro Bowl caliber corner (we haven't had this since Champ, although Springs served well).

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009"

Springs was pretty much an older version of a Pro Bowl caliber cornerback. Samari Rolle might become available. They should consider signing the guy as a replacement for Springs.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

You think the League is laughing at us now, if we bring in another DB before addressing O-line or LB I mean w e may be tinkering on being outcasted or something.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, I also was thinking about Sav Rocca ... and not just because I think Sav is an awesome first name ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

6-5 265 lb Aussie punter are nice.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't heard about Haynesworth being a freelancer ... but it would surprise me that a DT could even BE much of a free lancer ... or that every snap doesn't already require a DT to free lance. Unlike a position where freelancing could cause BIG plays for the other team (e.g., weakside DE or either OLB), the job of a DT doesn't seem that complicated. "You see the middle part right there? Go in there and stop what's happening."

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"I don't even need to bring up the fact that playing on one of the lines greatly increases the risk of injury over playing a position like DB, and to a lesser extent LB. Now go home to Mommy you b!tch.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009"

Awwww, just like your hero? Something smells? Did you make a mess in your diaper? Does it need to be changed?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Mr. Rocca got obliterated by that Raven's special teamer? That Aussie is tough, he just got right up and jogged to the sideline like nothing happened. I used to love watching that Aussie Rules league on TV...can't find it anymore.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 3, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"twisting players' arms to get them to work out here hasn't helped us any more than letting them work out on their own."
Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 1:02 PM
-----------------------------------------
unless you're talking about Portis last year....right??
Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 1:07 PM

-----------------------------------------

NOPE! Did you watch last year? Do you remember how he started fast and lost his legs (and the O-line crumbled apart)??? Do you remember the 2 years we went to the playoffs on his back at the end of the season??? Yeah, those were two years that he worked out on his own...

On another note, this is interesting. Some of you would find the chat at the bottom of the page amusing...

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/3/2/778027/vinny-cerrato-s-gmail-hack

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So when is Crowell visiting Cindy?

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

As Cindy stated in her online chat. The Giants signing 3 players does seem to make more sense than one player who could get hurt ... or worst have a blow up where he gets yanked from games. Even if he was the best free agent available at age 27. Remember guys, like well, the great LaVar Arrington? We could sure use his skills right now. But he of course had attitude problems associated with the coaching staff and Grilliams.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

The Maltese Falcon post deserves a bronze Cavemen Redskins Award for Best Use of Someone Else's Words....an award which, on this blog, several unsavory characters were vying for.

Posted by: MistaMoe

thanx Mista -- in the spirit of the times, where its acceptable to steal $50billion and keep your penthouse -- accepting an award for someone else's work is totally appropriate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"NOPE! Did you watch last year? Do you remember how he started fast and lost his legs (and the O-line crumbled apart)??? Do you remember the 2 years we went to the playoffs on his back at the end of the season??? Yeah, those were two years that he worked out on his own..."

Proof is in the pudding, which year did he rush for the most yards, and which year did have a jump in his YPC??

Thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

That "rotoworld" site is reporting that the Skins are thinking about bringing back D.Evans, Daniels, and Marcus. However, a San Fran sports site is thinking that D. Evans is going to sign a deal before he leaves fruity-town.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | March 3, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't even need to bring up the fact that playing on one of the lines greatly increases the risk of injury over playing a position like DB, and to a lesser extent LB. Now go home to Mommy you b!tch.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009"

Awwww, just like your hero? Something smells? Did you make a mess in your diaper? Does it need to be changed?


Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:09 PM |



Typical response from Sammy Shortbus. I give you a paragraph of undisputable fact that rips your idiotic post to shreds, and you come back with a diaper joke you probably picked up from one of the chat rooms where you try to pick up little kids. You must like taking a beating.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the entire RI staff is just being bitter and petty towards the Redskins since they got totally SCOOPED on just about every move the Skins have made so far. The last sentence in J Reid's post is such BS. I gurantee it's easier to find professionals among the Redskins players and coaches than it is among the Post's Redskins Insider. I'm starting to believe that JReid and JLC try to bash the team no matter what because it's the only way they can drum up interest in what they write. They never have any news or insights but their hindsight is amazing. It's untalented and unoriginal reporting.

Also, the belief that Snyder cares more about "stars" or making cash than winning is patently false. The Redskins are in the business of winning. I gurantee if they put the most boring team to watch on the field and that team won every game 3-0 that they would sell out. Snyder wants to win. If he just wants to make money, why dole out all the bonuses? If the Redskins win, Snyder will make more money so I don't understand why you would increase your expenses so much if you weren't trying to win.

Posted by: paperwc | March 3, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

and yes, Mista -- I did like the unsavory character reference ... which is pretty everyone in the Maltese Falcon

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I'm pretty sure the "Haynesworth as a freelancer" argument is completely incorrect. He had a few specific roles in Tennessee, the most important of which was to eat up blockers and collapse the pocket while doing so. The reason why Haynesworth is worth $100 million (and not viewed as that solely by Snyder) is not because he gets 8.5 sacks. It's because he more than doubles the production of his teammates (Kyle Vanden Bosch averaged .7 sacks per game with Albert, .3 sacks per game without him in the last 2 years). His combination of eating up blockers AND pushing the pocket is what makes him special. He runs the QB into the pass-rushing lanes of the DEs, and he frees up the DEs to pass-rush 1 vs 1 at the same time. Not many players can do both.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's top 20.

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
2 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 Jason Smith OT Baylor
4 Brian Orakpo DE/LB Texas
5 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
6 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
7 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
8 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
9 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
10 Mark Sanchez QB USC
11 B.J. Raji DT Boston College
12 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
13 Andre Smith OT Alabama
14 Percy Harvin WR Florida
15 Brian Cushing LB USC
16 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
17 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
19 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
20 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"You must like taking a beating.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009"

Awww is there a rash too? Do you need some baby powder? Awww poooor baby ... don't worry mommy's coming for you.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

peri, that has andre smith right in our wheelhouse.....hope so....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

When he plays. When Springs and Washington played the defense was decidedly different, perhaps the best in the league as opposed to 4th best. But they did not play that often.

AH played only 2 more games than Springs since 2004. Hall has had attitude problems in the recent past.

What happens when they don't play?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse
SS and MW have gotten old. SS was in only 7 games this last year, MW was in 9. AH played in 14 this last year.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Why is J Reid acting like J Taylor cut the Redskins instead of the other way around?

Again, the media will never agree with a professional team. Even if the Skins built the team with JLC and JR's advice, they would find fault with it. Screw these guys! JR mentions Synder's philosophy...I think JR and JLC's philosophy is to bash the team...period. The Skins problems come down to the QB, plain and simple. When they find one, they will succeed.

Posted by: tramellcanady | March 3, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

lol greg, i knew that was coming. i have no clue who the lions are picking or who the best in draft is or the worst. all i know is i got a bad feeling about sanchez the same feeling i had about that notre dame kid...in cleveland. just say no to mark sanchez!

cindy, the other wapo blogs have a very cool feature where the posts of admins of the blog are bolded. that would be very cool up here. i would love to see you in black and bold...up here!

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"He runs the QB into the pass-rushing lanes of the DEs, and he frees up the DEs to pass-rush 1 vs 1 at the same time. Not many players can do both.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009"

Everything you say is true. But then LaVar was a great linebacker ... there is a downside one that this team has experienced more than once.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

deal, whats the word on the lions blogs? Are they upset at not getting dockery??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"peri, that has andre smith right in our wheelhouse.....hope so....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009"

Yes, the problem he isn't a "splashy" player like Orakpo. Danny is very much like some of the denizens of this foggy Sargasso with stars in their eyes.

Be nice to have a 2nd to pick up Unger or Mack as well.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

AH played only 2 more games than Springs since 2004. Hall has had attitude problems in the recent past.

What happens when they don't play?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse
SS and MW have gotten old. SS was in only 7 games this last year, MW was in 9. AH played in 14 this last year.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse
More importantly, though, AH will collapse the pocket from the interior. MW was a good blitzer until 2007, but couldn't get any pressure last year.

DH has been in 2 probowls, is only 25. We saw him for 7 games, and made the decision that he has matured. We may be wrong, but he is a player. I've been in favor of signing him all off-season. Youth, speed, good hands. Now it's up to the coaches to make him fit in the clubhouse.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

but it would surprise me that a DT could even BE much of a free lancer ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:08 PM

It's when they drop into pass coverage on a whim. Or hurdle the offensive linemen for a quick sack, ala LaVar.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

greg, do you know what the median (or average i forget) price is for a house in detroit???????????? $16K that is SIXTEEN thousand dollars. (courtesy of bill maher show)....that's in friggin sane! and in washington area about $250-300?

so yeah i have no idea why he did not choose detroit other than it's probly a very depressing place right now to live in.

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

We are now, what 9 mil under cap? I can only hope this comes as common sense to the decision makers (and let the comments begin from that remark!!haha).

Posted by: erleach | March 3, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I think we are a little more than 9 mil, not sure but I think so. Remember we dropped Springs and Taylor after these signings. Not that that means anything but I would find it hard to believe that we were only 1 mil under prior to dropping Taylor.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

JReid, what was the point of this blog entry? It is essentially a repeat of the one posted late yesterday. I think all hard-core Redskins fans are generally concerned about the direction of the franchise over the past decade, but the incessant negativity is a bit much to handle from you and the other Jason. I am rational and don't rant and rave so pls take heed to this admonishment ... let's move on from the J Taylor episode. Let's get some Insider reporting on how the Skins plan to utilize this newfound cap space. I am dying to know for example if Snyder/Cerrato are planning to trade the #1 and #3 to Carolina for DE Peppers and break him off just like they did Phat Albert ... phat in a good way ya' understand! Peace out.

Posted by: gilk | March 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The Giants signing 3 players does seem to make more sense than one player who could get hurt ... or worst have a blow up where he gets yanked from games.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:12 PM

It makes sense when you have the Giants defensive line. But when you have the Skins mediocre defensive line that doesn't get sacks, adding 3 more mediocre DLs does NOT MAKE SENSE.

Let's see, the Gints Tuck (12 sacks), Kiwanuka (8 sacks), Robbins (6 sacks) and Tollefson (4 sacks) can afford to have medicre backups.

I'm not sure the same can be said of Carter (4 sacks), Evans (4 sacks), Montgomery (2 sacks) and Golston (2 sacks).

More mediocrity? No thanks.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Periculum = "Mike" DT = Simple Jack

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Signing Jason Taylor was a good move. Phillip Daniels went down for the season early last year and Snyder hired a durable Hall of Fame replacement coming off an 11 sack season.

No one could have predicted Taylor's freak injury for the first time in his career.

It was a good move that just didn't pan out. Life is like that sometimes. Let it go and move on.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I disagree, and I said so at the time. JT was 34, giving up a 2nd round pick was too high. I could have understood a 4th or 5th.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Who is MikeDT? Checked the Wiki, and no one with that nickname appears to post up here?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Who is MikeDT? Checked the Wiki, and no one with that nickname appears to post up here?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009"

Junior high grammar school type. Ignore.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Who is MikeDT? Checked the Wiki, and no one with that nickname appears to post up here?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse


"Mike" DT is the imaginary position that, periculum, thinks C. Griffin plays.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"greg, do you know what the median (or average i forget) price is for a house in detroit???????????? $16K that is SIXTEEN thousand dollars.

so yeah i have no idea why he did not choose detroit other than it's probly a very depressing place right now to live in.

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009"

Like some places around Pittsburgh, upstate NY ... they've been depressed for a good bit now ... over 2 decades ....

We're just catching up to them.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" DT is the imaginary position that, periculum, thinks C. Griffin plays.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

Kind of like the Redskinette Barbie you just got and are playing with?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"DH has been in 2 probowls, is only 25. We saw him for 7 games, and made the decision that he has matured. We may be wrong, but he is a player. I've been in favor of signing him all off-season. Youth, speed, good hands. Now it's up to the coaches to make him fit in the clubhouse.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009"

Guaranteed 43 million just for signing on the dotted line. Brandon Lloyd did not worry about "fitting in" in the clubhouse.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"You must like taking a beating.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009"

Awww is there a rash too? Do you need some baby powder? Awww poooor baby ... don't worry mommy's coming for you.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:23 PM |



NoD1ckULum- I'm very hurt by your diaper/rash/baby powder jokes. I suppose when you can't offer anything intelligent, or even just something clever or witty, you fall back on your old "Pee Wee Herman's Book of Cutdowns." Again, I love to make you look stupid, so thanks for making my job so easy. Oh by the way, I heard Shawn Springs and Leigh Torrence are both moving to the MikeDT position for the Saints this season, looks like someone is on their way to the Super Bowl...

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz, what do you think should have happened after Daniels went down last year? I'm assuming that you aren't suggesting we accept that opposing QBs would have all day to throw on us for an entire season.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"fruity-town"?

Ugh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Taylor, who had only 3.5 sacks, did little to help the Redskins in his brief time with them. But he played hurt, and probably returned too soon after undergoing the first of two surgical procedures. For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped.

===========================================

Huh? He is so professional, he won't come up here to learn something? He did get paid 8 Mil last year, right? And getting 8.5 Mil this year, right? To feed his kids, right?

He's only going to be away this one spring. Not an eternity......

What a joke.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

+++Doesn't it bother you that the two beat reporters, have alienated themselves from the team they are paid to cover?


Posted by: Flounder21+++

Oh Flounder, you tiresome bottom dweller. Give it the Hell up. You are such an idiot you think the editors CARE what you think? You complain about the writs here and feed everyone's kids by jacking up the numbers of posts here.

You want to be rid of the reporters? Go away. Stop posting.

(I know it's a long shot, kids, but he may be dumb enough to buy it and go Away...)


Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"It's when they drop into pass coverage on a whim. Or hurdle the offensive linemen for a quick sack, ala LaVar.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009"

Its why they will likely move him around to the other tackle position and to end. Give him some leeway without having him freelance.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"DH has been in 2 probowls, is only 25. We saw him for 7 games, and made the decision that he has matured. We may be wrong, but he is a player. I've been in favor of signing him all off-season. Youth, speed, good hands. Now it's up to the coaches to make him fit in the clubhouse.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009"

Guaranteed 43 million just for signing on the dotted line. Brandon Lloyd did not worry about "fitting in" in the clubhouse.


Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:48 PM |



Wow, and he even breaks news! This is the first report I've heard of D.Hall getting $43 mil guaranteed! Obviously, he deserves the extra money because he's moving to the MikeDt since you CAN NOT possibly play zone with a 4-3 front.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"Mike" DT. Priest Holmes. Red-finned tuna. All the Rockville trivia you'd never want to know.

I can't believe I get this stuff for free.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

You know what we need, another RI blog post on Jason Taylor. You know, maybe starting by again kneading the dough of what a bad decision the trade was to begin with, how the FO gave up too much. Then ice it with simple-minded analysis of right end versus left end, sprinkled with a repetition JT's weight and how he was not ideal to play in the NFC East. Maybe top it all off with some good old fashioned reporting, like a blanket statement of how stupid and unprofessional the Skins are. Come on - make it a baker's half dozen.

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 3, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

sween- Aussie rules guys are like, so 2008. Now it's time for Italian league socc, uh 'football', players....

http://champions365.com/video/view/id/412

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh Flounder, you tiresome bottom dweller. Give it the Hell up. You are such an idiot you think the editors CARE what you think? You complain about the writs here and feed everyone's kids by jacking up the numbers of posts here.

You want to be rid of the reporters? Go away. Stop posting.

(I know it's a long shot, kids, but he may be dumb enough to buy it and go Away...)


Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 3:50 PM |



Man this board is hilarious today. TheDork himself acting as though he is the spokesman for the board. I'm certain if we took a vote, it would be about 10 to 1 in favor of you going away, not Flounder. It's OK though, once you and the 2 Jasons are done with your circle jerk, they might just decide let you back in.

Posted by: CPortisRun | March 3, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

You know what we need, another RI blog post on Jason Taylor. You know, maybe starting by again kneading the dough of what a bad decision the trade was to begin with, how the FO gave up too much. Then ice it with simple-minded analysis of right end versus left end, sprinkled with a repetition JT's weight and how he was not ideal to play in the NFC East. Maybe top it all off with some good old fashioned reporting, like a blanket statement of how stupid and unprofessional the Skins are. Come on - make it a baker's half dozen.

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 3, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Can I Get An AMEN?!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

You know what we need, another RI blog post on Jason Taylor. ...

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 3, 2009 3:51 PM

I can only assume this is sarcasm because Jason Taylor blogs only bring out the worst in us. What we need is another Leigh Torrence blog. Actually, scratch that. What we NEED is ... more cowbell.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's top 20.

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
2 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 Jason Smith OT Baylor
4 Brian Orakpo DE/LB Texas
5 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
6 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
7 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
8 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
9 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
10 Mark Sanchez QB USC
11 B.J. Raji DT Boston College
12 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
13 Andre Smith OT Alabama
14 Percy Harvin WR Florida
15 Brian Cushing LB USC
16 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
17 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
19 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
20 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Michael Oher has dropped out of the top 20!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This smuck Rosenburg is trying to say Snyder is going to cuase the callaps of the entire NFL.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9283198/NFL-may-be-headed-for-labor-unrest

The Media absolutely hates Snyder, and he has made his fair share of mistakes. But the guy spends the money and gets the guys his coaches want to win. You cant hate him for that, and he has learned alot in his years as an owner, as evident by his improving managing style. I am tired of these writers bashing our owner, the guy is not a scumbag, he is a lifelong redskins fan who is learning how to be an effective owner. Haynesworth is a completely different type of investment then the ones he made in the Deon era.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

**** SURVEY ****

Reporter: Albert Haynesworth, how do you feel about the Skins releasing Jason Taylor?

** which answer does Alber give **

Answer A. Its too bad since Taylor is such a smart veteran and I think we could have made each other better

Answer B. My pockets are straight

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Man, its been almost 20 years. Something is wrong with this. We need to win soon or who's to say another 20 years will not go by. I remember 1991 like it was yesterday. i remember things like how I felt when we let Monk go :(..... so 20 can go by very fast.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

+++what a coward you are cork.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg+++

That's a pretty brave comment coming from some illiterate huddled in his Mom's basement on the other side of the country.

Actually, you've lost the only way battles are won on the internet---battles of wits.

So you take the coward's way out. Vague, non-linear ad hominum insults.

"You can't out-write me
So you can't out-fight me"

Yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnn!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

4-12, if the Skins brought in a punter named "Beppe Mascara", I would ... I would ... I would ... I would hope he punts like he kicks. Plus, Beppe > Sav.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obviously Jason Taylor doesn't belong in football but in heaven, according to this post. Cerrato and Snyder made an act of desperation when Daniels went down. That's clear. A 2nd rounder is lost, but if you resign Evans, the D line is alot better than it was with JT. That's all I'm concerned with at this point.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 3, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, great to see the blog is still in such a fun mode of:

%) You suck;
@) JLC sucks;
W) JReid sucks;
*) You're a moron;
V) You don't agree with my opinion, therefore you know nothing about football;
&) I don't like your opinion, so you need to back up your opinion with facts or else you're wrong.

Good times. Off season jibba jabba. Woo hoo. Ahem.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

+++This smuck Rosenburg is trying to say Snyder is going to cuase the callaps of the entire NFL.

Posted by: Brutus2+++

It's schmuck, not smuck. If you're going to be anti-semitic, Brutus, at least get the lingo right, so those of the Jewish faith know you're insulting them.

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's top 20.

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
2 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 Jason Smith OT Baylor
4 Brian Orakpo DE/LB Texas
5 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
6 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
7 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
8 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
9 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
10 Mark Sanchez QB USC
11 B.J. Raji DT Boston College
12 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
13 Andre Smith OT Alabama
14 Percy Harvin WR Florida
15 Brian Cushing LB USC
16 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
17 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
19 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
20 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Michael Oher has dropped out of the top 20!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What about REY MAUALUGA! He was interesting labeled as a big hitter. I think he hurt himself.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I am prayin we get Andre Smith. I say no to trade, we need a young starter at #13.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

still amazes me that some people up here think the story that's being fed is the real story on Taylor. Here's pretty much what happened.

Vinny: Jason, we're going to release you because you're not worth anywhere near $8.5 million
Taylor: I know. Its time to make up a story that for the press.
Vinny: Here's my suggestion. We tell everyone how generous the Skins were going to be, but that you just couldn't bear anymore time away from your family.
Taylor: No one will believe that
Vinny: Have you met the Skins beat reporters?
Taylor: Sounds like a plan

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse


I'm still unsure how this is a 'curious' end.....
Posted by: BeantownGreg

Good point. More like: foreseeable, inevitable and regrettable.

Posted by: Megskin | March 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

snooooorrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeee

the redskins reporting being done is getting really old. i have defended this blog for a long time but this is ridiculous. enough already.

Posted by: portisbeast | March 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Yaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnn!!!!

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009"

We need a rumors thread like the Ravens have ...

Be nice to know what the ravenous agents think will be Danny's next move. They should know.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"You are such an idiot you think the editors CARE what you think"

Versus you thinking that anyone who reads this cares what you think there corky.

Not huddled in the basement either. I'm at work....and I agree, if you dropped off and stopped posting, we'd be much better off...something you should think about.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

+++Man this board is hilarious today. TheDork himself acting as though he is the spokesman for the board.

Posted by: CPortisRun++

Glad to see you tore yourself away from knock-knocknock.com and Punsforall.Gov long enough to weigh in with your thoughts on the humor level here.

Not sure someone who puns "TheDork" is qualified to judge what is or is not hilarious, though.

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Corky, but I actually kind of laughed at "TheDork."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 3, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Michael Oher has dropped out of the top 20!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM

Because no one has time to teach him plays using ketchup and mustard bottles.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 3, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I got a fever, and the only prescription is more e coli!

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 3, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Proof is in the pudding, which year did he rush for the most yards, and which year did have a jump in his YPC??

Thanks.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 3, 2009 3:13 PM
--------------------------------------------
Please stop. You are looking foolish.

He had the same YPC in '05 as he did last year. And more yards! In '05 and '07 he had more receptions than '08, and the same or more yards receiving. Moreover, look at the last 8 games each year.

'08 (after working out with the team) - 155 car, 543 yds, 3.5ypg, 2 TD, 22Lng
'07 - 174 car, 633 yds, 3.6ypg, 6 TD, 32Lng
'05 - 198 car, 851 yds, 4.3ypg, 6 TD, 47Lng

Just admit that working out with the team proves nothing. The whole team worked out together with the exception of Springs and we finished 8-8. The previous 4 years, we averaged just under 8 wins/season. Nothing changed by having everybody work out together. And there are teams that win that allow players to work out on their own. Nothing is won by forcing people to work at in Ashburn. That is my point, nothing else. Stop making asinine arguments stating something else.

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz, what do you think should have happened after Daniels went down last year? I'm assuming that you aren't suggesting we accept that opposing QBs would have all day to throw on us for an entire season.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 3, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I was in favor of sitting tight, using DEvans & ACarter as starters, RJackson and CWilson as backups. Maybe pick up a FA. But not spend a 2nd and a 5th or 6th to get a replacement.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

No chance Taylor was cut because of a stupid workout clause. The Redskins HAD to cut him for salary cap reasons given the money they shelled out for Haynesworth, Hall, and Dockery. The Skins brass is just scared to admit it for fear that everyone will bash the moves further (and rightfully so). For the amount we invested in Taylor, 2nd and 6th rounder + $8 million in salary, we had to trot 55 out on the field this year even if he did register 2 sacks. At least we could say we got 2 years out of him for those draft picks.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 3, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
I apologize, did not know shmuck was anti-semitic, I use it widely to describe know it all writers and journalist. I am not the least bit anti-semitic, and I will discontinue the use of the insult Shmuck. The fact that the author of the piece is Jewish had no impact on my opinion of it. It was the content of the srticle that I disliked.I sincerely do apologize.

Hows This:This Jerk Rosenburg is trying to say Snyder is going to cuase the callaps of the entire NFL.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9283198/NFL-may-be-headed-for-labor-unrest

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are in talks with Carolina right now to trade the 13h pick of this draft(1st round selection) and next years 3rd round selection for Julius Peppers. From what I've heard, Carolina has agreed to it and the Redskins are talking to Peppers about the contract terms. It is expected to be announced Thursday or Friday of this week. Sorry for the leak JLC!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse


You know what we need, another RI blog post on Jason Taylor. You know, maybe starting by again kneading the dough of what a bad decision the trade was to begin with, how the FO gave up too much. Then ice it with simple-minded analysis of right end versus left end, sprinkled with a repetition JT's weight and how he was not ideal to play in the NFC East. Maybe top it all off with some good old fashioned reporting, like a blanket statement of how stupid and unprofessional the Skins are. Come on - make it a baker's half dozen.

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 3, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse


Can I Get An AMEN?!

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 3:54 PM

I 2nd! Amen!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor's quote of the day: I just lost an $8million contract and I'm still having a better day than Jason Mesnick.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

What about REY MAUALUGA! He was interesting labeled as a big hitter. I think he hurt himself.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse
I think he pulled a hammy in the 40.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 3, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh Flounder, you tiresome bottom dweller. Give it the Hell up. You are such an idiot you think the editors CARE what you think? You complain about the writs here and feed everyone's kids by jacking up the numbers of posts here.

You want to be rid of the reporters? Go away. Stop posting.

(I know it's a long shot, kids, but he may be dumb enough to buy it and go Away...)

Posted by: TheCork | March 3, 2009 3:50 PM |

Corky,

I see you are still sucking the two Jasons d!cks, I'm sure they aprreciate it.

I know you want to be a reporter and all but really get over yourself.

I will say what ever I want on here about who ever I want.

Since you hate the Redskins so much maybe it is you that should go away.

We good keep this site going without either of the Jasons.

I can go on profootballtalk or read ESPN and make the post myself, then we can discuss them.

I don't expect Cindy to care about what I think, she should only care about how many post she gets at this blog.

I was just letting her know that her to beat reporters suck at there job, and there opinions have kept them from getting the scoops that good beat reporters get.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Just admit that working out with the team proves nothing."

Maybe regarding Portis and RB in general, maybe, but as an offensive/defensive linemen or wide receiver it is crtical that they work out with their fellow linemen and QB in the offseason.

It builds chemistry. You can't tell me that is something that is seriously lacking between Campbell and his receivers - he has none with Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, hopefully they'll build that this offseason.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are in talks with Carolina right now to trade the 13h pick of this draft(1st round selection) and next years 3rd round selection for Julius Peppers. From what I've heard, Carolina has agreed to it and the Redskins are talking to Peppers about the contract terms. It is expected to be announced Thursday or Friday of this week. Sorry for the leak JLC!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Is this a joke? Link it please!

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Where does Danny get all those "callapses"? And how can we get rid of them?

Posted by: ElYeah | March 3, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

OH SHOVE IT RED YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WHEN IN REALITY YOU KNOW NOTHING


I'm The Truth, baby!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 3, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor was traded from Miami because he was accused of not devoting himself in the off season to football, and instead paraded around in tights and makeup on dancing with the stars. He performed poorly last year, so the Redskins were justified in wanting him to stick around this off season. I don’t think his heart is 100% in the game, and I am glad he is gone.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

No, Schmuck is not anti-semetic - it's a freakin' yiddish word, for Pete's sake: I'ts not nice, but it means:

According to Webster:

schmuck
Pronunciation: \ˈshmək\
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish shmok, literally, penis
Date: 1892

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Three years ago, Fred Smoot left for Minnesota, last year he came back.

Two years ago, Derrick Dockery left for Buffalo, this year he comes back.

Can you feel how awesome 2010 is going to be? The Return of Leigh Torrence!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Aw man, this sucks, this person wants this person gone, they want those people gone...

All this, and guess what, they'll still post as much as they like.

Wanting bloggers off RI = Playing GM for the 'skins

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Is there anyone that works for the Washington Post that can write something that is not negative about the post. Reid is doing a GREAT JLC impersonation. Seriously. Think about your audience. I am not suggesting you blow smoke, but lose the HATE!!

Posted by: lancel | March 3, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV, before you respond to TheTruth, please understand that today is SUPPOSED to be about either CPortisRun or flimchis v. periculum ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Wanting bloggers off RI = Playing GM for the 'skins

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 4:28 PM

= power rankings = mock drafts?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Julius Peppers does not want to play in the 4-3. He said he wanted to be in a 3-4.

If Pepper's agent convinced Danny and Peppers to do this, it won't take much to make the OL into a shambles next year. There won't be any space left in the salary cap to sign a Dahl or a Clabo etc. who could fill that gap until next year's draft.

I'm not sure they will even be able to get to .500.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"RedDMV, before you respond to TheTruth, please understand that today is SUPPOSED to be about either CPortisRun or flimchis v. periculum ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009"

Interloping grammar schoolers? Nah, TheTruth versus RedDMV is the main event.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Theres no truth that Peppers crap, I searched the internet not one report of that.

Who ever posted that link the story or shut up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Just admit that working out with the team proves nothing."

Maybe regarding Portis and RB in general, maybe, but as an offensive/defensive linemen or wide receiver it is crtical that they work out with their fellow linemen and QB in the offseason.

It builds chemistry. You can't tell me that is something that is seriously lacking between Campbell and his receivers - he has none with Thomas, Kelly, and Davis, hopefully they'll build that this offseason.
-----------------------------------------

I agree - it is nice to have the WR's stay in town to work extra with a new starting QB, or to work on a new passing system. It is important, yes. It builds chemistry, sure (although an ending like we had last year could easily steamroll all of that chemistry built up in March). But it does not translate to championships. I will go back to my original point - made at 1:02 or something - "Let's face it - twisting players' arms to get them to work out here hasn't helped us any more than letting them work out on their own." It didn't help us last year. We have more to worry about than people working out together. Chemistry is not the issue with this team.

Did working out together help the Dolphins last year? Maybe so... But they sure helped themselves by acquiring more talent, too - such as a serviceable QB and a few quality RB's.

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Can you feel how awesome 2010 is going to be? The Return of Leigh Torrence!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 4:27 PM

That's nothing. Wait until 2011: The return of Jason Taylor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the thread the dude who posted the Julius Peppers' rumor was referring to:

http://www.cockytalk.com/showthread.php?s&threadid=91302

I do not believe it for one second though.

Posted by: RebuildingSince91 | March 3, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I left something out... I wanted to say:

We have more to worry about than people working out together. Chemistry is not the issue with this team. Talent, and the proper evaluation and acquisition of that talent, is... especially depth talent.

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Lord, if Peppers convinces them to run a 3-4, just for him to come here, none of the bad things said about Danny and Vinny up here will have even come close to the truth. It will mean that they really don't have a clue, and don't care to have a clue.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Theres no truth that Peppers crap, I searched the internet not one report of that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:38 PM

But, if you'd found it on the internet, then it would have to be true? Like all those stories on the internet yesterday that they'd found Marquis Cooper?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

jwle,

Dock and B-Mitch said that in Gibbs I all the players stayed and worked out together, and it is a big deal.

The Steelers and Patriots make all there players stay and workout together.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Julius Peppers still wants out of Carolina, but he'll only agree to be traded to four teams, further complicating the Panthers' efforts to get compensation for the four-time Pro Bowl defensive end.

On the eve of the deadline to place the franchise tag on Peppers, a person close to the player said Wednesday that the impending free agent wants to play for the Dallas Cowboys or three other unnamed teams, two of them in the NFC.

The person, speaking on condition of anonymity because the list wasn't supposed to be made public, said Peppers wouldn't agree on a trade to any other team, which would limit the Panthers since Peppers would likely have to sign a new contract with that new team before a trade could be executed.

Carolina would likely seek a first-round draft pick and other compensation for their all-time sacks leader, who announced last month that he wanted to leave after seven seasons. The Cowboys don't have a first-round pick this year. The Panthers would also likely prefer that Peppers not play for a fellow NFC team.

Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, in Indianapolis for the NFL scouting combine, declined comment.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

SEARCH FOR COOPER, SMITH, AND BLEAKLEY WILL BE CALLED OFF AT 6:30 P.M. EST
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 4:34 p.m.

The U.S. Coast Guard announced on Tuesday that the search for the three remaining men who have been missing in the Gulf of Mexico since Saturday will be suspended later today.

“We’re extremely confident that if there were any survivors on the surface of the water, that we would have found them,” Coast Guard Captain Timothy M. Close said in remarks aired during ESPN’s NFL Live. “And it’s our intention that at sunset today, approximately 6:30, that we’ll suspend active search efforts on this case.”

On Monday, Nick Schuyler was found on the hull of the overturned boat.

Still missing are Raiders linebacker Marquis Cooper, defensive end Corey Smith, and William Bleakley.


this is sad

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

No, Schmuck is not anti-semetic - it's a freakin' yiddish word, for Pete's sake: I'ts not nice, but it means:

According to Webster:

schmuck
Pronunciation: \ˈshmək\
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish shmok, literally, penis
Date: 1892


Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

In that case Rosenburg and Corky can both suck my schmuck!

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

OH SHOVE IT RED YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WHEN IN REALITY YOU KNOW NOTHING


I'm The Truth, baby!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 3, 2009 4:24 PM

Hey jackass, its not our day, okay. Tell your mama that I'll pick you up after school tomorrow, and to make sure that she packs you some clean underwear. I know with the snow yesterday she may have forgotten.

The last ones she packed had sh*t streaks in them. Did she throw those out? Also, you need new socks. The elastic is so worn, they look like bunched up oil rags at your ankles. We got to get you straight, my dude.

Were you able to finally make it to the dentist? I know you're a little nervous because you're 15 years old and this is your first time going and all. But don't fret, my son, the kids at your school will mistake your braces for a 'grill'.

Also, please remind your mother to stop by CVS and pick you up some blue star ointment. I don't know if you have lice or ringworms, but your constant itching sort of freaked out that woman I had over the other night. Kid or not, it's Red's (Your daddy B!tch) lady friends, then your mama, then her sister/her fine ass cousin, then you - I guess.

It's important that you spend time with me, son. You're on par with your grandfather (mother's father) to be a lifetime loser. I gotta learn ya...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The veteran defensive end gave the club four teams he'd like to be traded to: Dallas, an unnamed AFC club and two NFC South division rivals. The Cowboys don't have a first-round pick and the Panthers won't trade Peppers within their division.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

We have more to worry about than people working out together. Chemistry is not the issue with this team. Talent, and the proper evaluation and acquisition of that talent, is... especially depth talent.

Posted by: jwlemons | March 3, 2009 4:40 PM

It was important to the coach, Jim Zorn. He's fed up with the country club atmosphere where all the "stars" get special treatment. He wants them together in the off season working out. It's good that the front office backed him on this, unlike when Clinton Portis was acting out after he couldn't find his blankie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

anyone else see Jason Taylor on Kimmel yesterday? Good stuff

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=12303155&ch=4226715&src=news


Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

TE,

Thats funny,

You mean everything on the internet is not true, dam you just ruined my day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are in talks with Carolina right now to trade the 13h pick of this draft(1st round selection) and next years 3rd round selection for Julius Peppers. From what I've heard, Carolina has agreed to it and the Redskins are talking to Peppers about the contract terms. It is expected to be announced Thursday or Friday of this week. Sorry for the leak JLC!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm The Truth, baby!!


how bout them CHARLOTTE BEASTCATS?


Wizards are god awful, JUMP ON THE BEASTCATS BANDWAGON LOSERS

or ya just might


get


DIAW'ED!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 3, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

More on Peppers and why the Skins should not deal for him:

He can still shop himself around to other teams, but if he signs with a club and the Panthers opt to not match, the club would receive two first-round picks from the new team as compensation.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

WOW, why is everybody attacking the reporters?

The redskins have made bone-head decision time and again so why do you support them.
The truth is that the redskins are going to suck next year and all the season ticket holders will cry like little babies.

Cardinals RULE!
Redskins suck!

:)

Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | March 3, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

per,

Thanks for posting that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why all the free agent players want to play for the flippin' screwed up Cowboys????

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins are in talks with Carolina right now to trade the 13h pick of this draft(1st round selection) and next years 3rd round selection for Julius Peppers. From what I've heard, Carolina has agreed to it and the Redskins are talking to Peppers about the contract terms. It is expected to be announced Thursday or Friday of this week. Sorry for the leak JLC!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009"

Same thing on the Eagle's fan blogs except they have him going to the Eagles.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Cardinals RULE!

now there's something you don't hear every day. Kinda like "France has won"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

ummmmm...I saw the Beastcats play the Rockets a couple of weeks ago - they were more like Pussycat Dolls that night

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 3, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why all the free agent players want to play for the flippin' screwed up Cowboys????

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 4:50 PM |

To get paid

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It just seems "negative" because they have nothing to write about, so they have to rehash the past.

However.

J. Reid is miles beyond JLC inasmuch as he at least gets his facts straight and doesn't make obvious - and embarrassing - mistakes.

As for "good moves" and "bad moves" go visit any of the other 31 teams blogs and you'll find the same carping about previous (or current) moves.

Sometimes a team gets it right, and sometimes they don't. No one is hitting on every cylinder all the time. And no team/GM ever will.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | March 3, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

does anyone even know what Red is talking about when he goes on that little tangent?

I think that's an inside joke with himself...


I'm sorry, but wishing a fellow poster on this Redskins Insider blog was your son...that's just weird.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 3, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Can someone please explain to me why all the free agent players want to play for the flippin' screwed up Cowboys????

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009"

Interesting question. One reason may be that they do play a 3-4 instead of a 4-3 defense like the Redskins. They have an internationally recognized name. They are in the south.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

According to the Pepper's story, the cap won't be affected because the the remaining draft picks will be small contracts and they have OL, and the LB's in the later rounds which as we all know are signing bonuses of $200,000 or so and it's easily done. Cindy, check the story with the front office.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

J. Reid is miles beyond JLC inasmuch as he at least gets his facts straight and doesn't make obvious - and embarrassing - mistakes.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Jason messes things up all the time. Just last night, he dumped Melissa on national TV, then sucked face with Molly about 10 minutes later. Talk about obvious and embarrassing

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, what Flounder said ... both The Owner and Jerrah Jones attract players seeking to feel the fiber of a big fat wad of Benjamin Franklins.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, no disrespect to red, but his last diatribe was a little weird. What’s with the fascination with little kids dirty underwear?

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Kurt give us the link to the stroy, and not some guys discussing this on a blog.

That last link was some gamecocks blog what do those dumba$$es know.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me why all the free agent players want to play for the flippin' screwed up Cowboys????

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 3, 2009 4:50 PM

Like it or not, the Cowboys are very appealing to most Americans. Why? I have no idea. Kind of like voting for Bush, I just don't know why....

All you have to do is look at who were the best teams when these guys (current NFL players) were kids. I bet if you asked most players in the NFL from ages 22-26, most will say that followed either the Cowboys, 49ers, Steelers, or Dolphins.

Even though Buffalo was winning at the time, I know of only one Buffalo fan, and he is one because of their success in the late '80s and '90s.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Red is a power hitter people, sometimes they swing and miss...hard. Sometimes you are swiming out into the lake to retrieve the ball....

Its the nature of the beast.

The last one was a....whiff.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

More on Peppers and why the Skins should not deal for him:

He can still shop himself around to other teams, but if he signs with a club and the Panthers opt to not match, the club would receive two first-round picks from the new team as compensation.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Please see the KC & NE Trade of Matt Cassel. I know that what you expressed is the facts but they can except what ever they like.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Pepper's will be a Redskin by the end of the week or sooner. Mr.Cerrato is selling the point of the strong defense and what the signing of A.H. will do for Peppers. Who do you double team? Remember, you heard it here first!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

WOW, why is everybody attacking the reporters?

The redskins have made bone-head decision time and again so why do you support them.
The truth is that the redskins are going to suck next year and all the season ticket holders will cry like little babies.

Cardinals RULE!
Redskins suck!

:)

Posted by: jimmydeanroundsausages | March 3, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Go suck a Jumbo Sausage Link

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 3, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Kurt again put a story up or shut it.

I'm sure you got this story before any other NFL person.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Does JLC look a little bit Daniel Snyder. Or is just me?

No matter how good this guy from Titan turns out to be, way too much money paid for him. DID GM not say they were building not going crazy anymore.

I hope we go 0-18 (yes i know only 16 games). And the league forces snyder to sell team to someone else.

This guy really stinks as an owner. If with GIBBS they could barely win.

But atleast we have a great GM who knows how to look at talent. I mean look at draft last year. That punter, in the 6th round, should have a great sophmore year. Cant wait for those 60 / 70 yard boomers.

Posted by: hunter32 | March 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Redmv, I'm with sween you shoulda let it go today...

Lisa, same reason they sign with this team...$$$$$

Bad thing about taking a break is you forget who to filter out when skimming thru but I did notice the queen bee paid a visit...

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jimmy take the sausages out of your a$$ and read this about your great cardinals.

What a bunch of cheap bastards

CARDINALS STIFF FORMER COACHES OUT OF SUPER BOWL BONUSES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 4:52 p.m. EST
Lest anyone think that our position regarding free-agent quarterback Kurt Warner arises from some sort of homerish tendencies toward the team with a red parakeet on its helmet, think again.

We’ve been saying for weeks that the Cardinals’ blind-squirrel-on-acorn trip to the Super Bowl doesn’t make a bad organization into a good one.

And, yeah, the Cardinals are still a bad organization.

Multiple league sources tell us that assistant coaches who left the team after the season ended have been stiffed out of Super Bowl bonuses.

Though we’re not sure whether the individual employment contracts call for the payments or whether these are amounts that teams pay as a matter of policy or practice, the point is that these men didn’t get paid money arising from the Super Bowl appearance that was paid to guys who are still employed.

Frugality is not a new dynamic in the desert. As former Cardinals safety Robert Griffith told Michael Silver, then of SI.com, in 2007, “They’re all show. They’re a facade. They say, ‘We’ve got the nicest stadium in North America’ — and they do. But everything else is to the penny.”

Griffith provided two examples to Silver. “When we’re not there on Tuesdays,” Griffith said, “they put a lock on the Gatorade fridge in the locker room.”

The other example came from what was in Griffith’s signing bonus check. Or, more accurately, what wasn’t in it.

“The Fed Ex [to send him the contract] cost $14.11 or something, and when I got my check, they’d deducted it — the check was for like $499,985.89, or whatever. That’s how they do sh-t in Arizona. That’s how they run their business!”

Our advice to Cardinals fans? Enjoy the climate-controlled temperature of the stadium and the video screens and the sound system and whatever food they sell there, because if you show up on Sundays suddenly expecting to see a winning team, you’re going to be disappointed.

Unless you’re rooting for the visitors.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

You mean everything on the internet is not true, dam you just ruined my day.
Posted by: Flounder21

It's True

Posted by: daggar | March 3, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

No jackass, it is what it is.

You're my son. A night of binge drinking and tragically you were the result.

I call you my son becasue everytime you get out of line, I beat that ass. Hell when you look at your motherf@ckin' monitor wrong, I beat that ass... Mistakingly type the wrong key? I beats that ass!!!

Me calling you my son is just me acknowledging you - which is something that you thrist for - attention, along with affection and a sense of belonging.

As you father, I'm just fullfilling my duties, son. You should be lucky that I choose to own you. I mean, no one else will. Why do you think your mother lets you parade around in sh*t laden drawers all day?

Either that or she can't put down the basepipe for a second - another reason why me and her didn't work.

That last post was intended for you to relay to your mother, boy.
----------------------------------
And stop asking validation from the other RI posters, fuccface. Why do you need help? Its so obvious that you want attention. If not, then why throw a lame ass cheap shot at me? I only gave it to you because I was bored, but constantly dogging your ass out gets boring itself after so long.

You're so b!tch-made.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 3, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

More bad news from Florida. The Coast Guard is calling off the search for the three boaters: “We’re extremely confident that if there were any survivors on the surface of the water, that we would have found them,” Coast Guard Captain Timothy M. Close said in remarks aired during ESPN’s NFL Live. “And it’s our intention that at sunset today, approximately 6:30, that we’ll suspend active search efforts on this case.”

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to get dinner, call me if we trade for Peppers in the next couple of hours.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Bad thing about taking a break is you forget who to filter out when skimming thru but I did notice the queen bee paid a visit...

Posted by: dealer1 | March 3, 2009 5:08 PM

I noticed that too, dealio ... and I just read through Cindy's chat. You can read it yourself, but I THINK that Cindy ever so gingerly, ever so slightly SLAPPED DOWN Megskin's anti-Blache vibe.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"The last one was a....whiff.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2009"

Take a whiff and you'll sniff ... sniff, sniff, sniff ...

~laughing~ ...

Opened it up for some juvenile toilet humor ...

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"ever so slightly SLAPPED DOWN Megskin's anti-Blache vibe.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009"

I like Blache ... I think he is good for the team.

But even he cannot control Hurricane Snidely Owl.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

When the Skins got him, everyone thought he'd get double-teamed which would help the other D-Linemen. In the end, teams would block him (and block him well) with a tight end. That leaves 5 O-Linemen to block 3 D-Linemen which equals to NO PASS RUSH!

Posted by: mike4par | March 3, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Lisa, what Flounder said ... both The Owner and Jerrah Jones attract players seeking to feel the fiber of a big fat wad of Benjamin Franklins.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009"

Then clearly Snyder would be much more attractive. However, I actually believe the guy when he says he wants to try things in the 3-4. He is still just young enough to do that plus good enough to make that demand.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Oops. Jack beat me by a good 30 minutes. Sorry for the double post of the tragic news.

Step away from the monitor long enough to unload the dishwasher and the whole world gets posted, including the alternative universe world that doesnt exist yet but should.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

So, CL where are your scurrilous and assiduous comments relative to the current diatribe? No comment?

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

From Yahoo sports are reporting:

Yahoo! Sports
Sports Search


Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:03 pm EST
Inside Vinny Cerrato's GMail*

By MJD

Redskins blog HogsHaven.com has hacked into the GMail account of Redskins executive vice president of football operations, Vinny Cerrato. This is where the Pepper's story is coming from, Mr Cerrato's email!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Owner and Jerrah Jones attract players seeking to feel the fiber of a big fat wad of Benjamin Franklins.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2009

Do you think that when he hands them that wad that they take out a Sharpie like in the Wal-Mart and mark them to make sure theyre real?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Schmuck is not anti-semitic ... its a German word really. Semites are folks from the Middle East also known as Shepardics as opposed to the Azkhenazi. Now Svotzah (sp?) that would be a very bad thing to use here me thinks.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins blog HogsHaven.com has hacked into the GMail account of Redskins executive vice president of football operations, Vinny Cerrato. This is where the Pepper's story is coming from, Mr Cerrato's email!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009"

And the Eagle's fans hacked into Pepper's agent's mail.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"I'm going to get dinner, call me if we trade for Peppers in the next couple of hours.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 3, 2009"

It would be far more impressive if he got Suggs. I suspect he has a better shot at that. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I'm pretty sure the "Haynesworth as a freelancer" argument is completely incorrect. He had a few specific roles in Tennessee, the most important of which was to eat up blockers and collapse the pocket while doing so.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure it's "completely incorrect." His d-line coach said: "You might hear some people say I let him freelance, but I let him play and tried to do what was best to help us win games. I'm not really into paralysis by analysis."

I think it's fair to ask whether Blache will do the same. The Gregg Williams/Greg Blache defense is pretty precise, and it's not for everyone. It might very well induce paralysis by analysis in some players, as I think we've seen. In my opinion, the rigid Skins scheme works and they probably overachieve with their talent, but I won't assume Haynesworth will play as well or better than he did in Tennessee. We'll see.

Posted by: beatkal | March 3, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

periculum check it out yourself Dkhd

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

sorry, wrong url:http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Inside-Vinny-Cerrato-s-GMail-?urn=nfl,145459

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

long ago, I learned the value of 1 guy equaling 2. Darrell Green could cover even the best players, 1 on 1 -- when teams would usually need to use 2. Green not only shut down his assigned WR, but he also freed up another player.

Haynesworth is the first player to wear a Skins uni that has that ability since Darrell Green in his prime

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

* = They did not really hack into his e-mail, this is a parody. Also, this is not an endorsement of Google's electronic mail service, because Yahoo! Mail is way better.

the above is the note at the bottom of the Yahoo report, its a joke Mcfly..

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Kurt, calm down, it was a parody of what his email would be done by hogshaven, they didn't really crack it and it isn't really happening.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha-Ha

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

SPRINGS WILL VISIT THE EAGLES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 5:39 p.m.

With cornerback Lito Sheappard traded to the Jets, the Eagles need a replacement on the depth chart.

And they might have found one in Shawn Springs.

The Eagles have announced that Springs will visit the team. In many cases with the Eagles, it’s a precursor to signing the player.

The Eagles also have Asante Samuel, Sheldon Brown, and Joselio Hanson on the depth chart. Hanson recently signed a contract extension that entrenches him as the nickel back, at a minimum. So unless the Eagles are thinking about moving Brown, Springs would be the dime back, at best.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green could cover even the best players, 1 on 1 -- when teams would usually need to use 2. Green not only shut down his assigned WR, but he also freed up another player.

Haynesworth is the first player to wear a Skins uni that has that ability since Darrell Green in his prime

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 5:36 PM

I hadnt thought about it that way. Haynesworth will get 9 sacks and 9 picks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

fooled me!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Kurtshanaman,
that Cerrato email hack is a pretty funny joke, but that’s all it is. If Peppers comes here I will give you credit. However, you do not have a credible source. Also, if Peppers comes here then that means Heyer will most likely be starting at RT next year and I don’t think it is worth it. All the off season talk about upgrading the o line, Snyder and Cerrato recent love of drafting offensive players, and bringing in Zorn to groom JC as the future of the franchise, all points to a OT at #13, not a trade for Peppers

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."\

Yeah right.

Or maybe he just sucks. Anyone ever think(or write) about that?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | March 3, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

From Feinstein:

One thing the three of them have in common is that they are known quantities: it doesn't take any bit of scouting brilliance to know that all three have been very good NFL players. That's important because if there's one thing we know for certain about the scouting team of Snyder and Vinny Cerrato it is that they aren't likely to draft Tom Brady in the sixth round (or Matt Cassel in the seventh) anytime soon. In fact, if memory serves, Cerrato drafted a punter in the sixth round last year. And he didn't exactly turn out to be Ray Guy.

LOL- so sad but so true

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I for the life of me cannot understand the constant bashing of JLC, and JR, what is it these guys are saying that isn't true? For way too long the FO has been inept, unable to judge talent, unable to make sound proffessional decisions when it comes to drafting, trading, and aquiring FA's. Why do you think this team has been mired in mediocrity ever since D.Snyder bought the team? If you don't like these two guys stop coming up here. I mean dam what a bunch of whiners! Why do the Pats, and Steelers just to name a few teams field winning teams year in and year out? The same reason any entity or institution is successful, the success starts at the top!! The top of this organization is INEPT!! Dan Snyder I beleive is at heart a decent person but he is stubborn, egotistical, and determined to meddle in football affairs that even now after all these years he is just not knowledgable in. Does he want to win? Hell yeah, we have to give him that much credit not many owners spend as much money as he does. But he doesn't go about it in the right way that other successful teams do. Look at all the lost draft picks over the years just wasted down the toilet and what do we have to show for it? A team put together piece meal, aging players on their last legs, trying to fit squares into round holes(players who do not fit our system), players asst.coaches don't want, the list goes on and on. Until D.Snyder grows up, steps back, lets competent football people make the personnel decisions,(get a GM) then we'll continue to do what we have been doing for years as fans -"ALWAYS WAITING FOR NEXT YEAR" and always winding up frustrated and broken hearted. I've been a fan since 1972 before some of you were even born, through the glory years and Super Bowl seasons of the 80's and 90's. Sadly we'll never see those types of years again until serious changes are made in the FO. It's almost to the point where it's no fun being a Skins fan anymore, but I've been one for 37 years and will be one till I'm pushing up daisies, but man I tell you the continued ineptitude is getting old. Stop bashing those guys I'm sure they're doing the best they can, and they are telling the truth and it is right to question the constant and consistent ineptitude of this FO and how it has made a joke of a once storied franchise. I hope the signing of Haynesworth, and any other FA moves, and the upcoming draft contribute to a winning playoff team this season but what would guarantee better results would be a realization by Dan Snyder that he's not going about it the right way. You can't run a real NFL team as if your playing franchise mode in Madden NFL. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | March 3, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's put it this way: If Cerrato, who as a general manager has been a reasonably good talk show host, doesn't take an offensive lineman with the Redskins first pick next month, he should become a full-time talk show host. Immediately.

rofl hahahahhaaa

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't think JC is the future, Colt Brennan is! I watched him play at Hawaii, the kids for real!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Reid is not nearly as bad as La cantreporta, not by a long shot.

Reid is merely recapping another failed FO move, there isn't nearly as much vendictiveness in his writing.

He also does not try to "manufacture negative points" like JLC some examples of this

-Leigh Torrance-need I say more

-jlc making a big deal of FO passing on cameron wake even though he is a 3-4 rush backer

-jlc making a big deal of the skins passing on eddie royal

-jlc unexplicably bringing up the fact that the redskins laid off employees at redskin park yet still spent 100 mil on haynesworth, as if that had anything to do with the fact of whether or not 92 will pay off here or not.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 3, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think JC is the future, Colt Brennan is! I watched him play at Hawaii, the kids for real!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I do not hate JLC, and if I did I would stay off this blog. I do think he should be held responsible, and therefore if Haynseworth improves the defense next year we all should remember his current position that AH was too risky and expensive, and the skins should have went with more depth. This is his position and we should hold him accountable next year by reminding him every time Haynesworth has a good game. I am tired of his "I TOLD YOU SO" posts and he is never forced to admit he is wrong on his bad predictions. Like I said, I like JLC, but if he wants to give his opinions, lets hold him accountable.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn to groom JC as the future of the franchise, all points to a OT at #13, not a trade for Peppers

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009"

Can we truly expect sanity from the out-of-control dennis-the-menaces of the NFL? I truly hope you are right.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I am willing to bet that WE do not take an OT at #13! Any takers?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Giants to stand pat with D-Line surplus?
In spite of two juicy rumors circulating this week concerning the New York Giants trading some of their surplus defensive line talent, general manager Jerry Reese reiterated his stance to Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News that the team will probably hold on to all seven starter-caliber players heading into 2009.

Tony Grossi of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports on a rumor that has circulated regarding the Cleveland Browns trading wide receiver Braylon Edwards to the Giants for pass-rusher Mathias Kiwanuka.

Another rumor that has floated in some circles would involve the Arizona Cardinals sending Anquan Boldin to the Giants for Kiwanuka or a second-round pick plus defensive tackle Jay Alford.

In both cases, the Giants would be trading from a position of strength in order to address what many consider to be the team's glaring weakness: namely, a dominating wide receiver option to supplant Plaxico Burress, whose prospects for 2009 are uncertain at best. Cincinnati Bengals defensive tackle John Thornton has opined on his blog that the Giants are likely to make a move using one of these pieces.

Addressing these rumors and the questions that have arisen as to why the Giants are attempting to corner the market on D-Line talent, Reese told Vacchiano, "One thing I learned from Ernie Accorsi is you've got to have some big guys up front to get after the quarterback. Right now we have seven guys we think can start with anybody. You never say never in personnel, but we want our front to be strong. I anticipate all those guys being ready to go when we kick it off in the fall."

the end of that is so different than what I've heard in Washington for years now :(

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 3, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

If Tampa weren't in the same division as Carolina you could almost bet Peppers would be on his way there.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If there is another HUGE "secret move" it would be all about Suggs as opposed to Peppers.

I am hoping he goes for RFA OL on teams like Atlanta. A DE upgrade would be nice ... from the same pool. Just not Peppers.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Casserly, set the Skins up in the 2000 draft with two early first rounders and plenty of cap space.

In Houston he got canned because he thought Mario Williams was going to be a better pick and a better fir than Reggie Bush. Well, guess what . . . he was right -- unfortunately his gamble paid off a year too late.

Casserly was the guy who scouted Bostic and Jacoby.

Yeah, he screwed up big time with Heath Shuler, but as far as evaluating line talent there aren't many guys who have a better track record than Casserly. He may not be the best GM, but he has a good eye for talent.

And no, he's definitely not the reason for the Skins woes over the past several years.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"I am willing to bet that WE do not take an OT at #13! Any takers?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009"

Let's pray you are wrong about that as you were about Peppers.

Things do begin up front ... on both lines.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Giants, whatever happened to the gun slinger WR they got. I thought he was supposed to be released.

Posted by: Brutus2 | March 3, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"It was very painful coaching Albert for a long time," Washburn said, prefacing his phone interview with the caveat that he would not be taking time out of his day to talk if not for his affection for his former player. "But he matured after a while. I tried to dangle the carrot in front of him sometimes, and he came to see the money some guys were making, and what they were accomplishing, going to the Pro Bowl and things like that, and I think he wanted to achieve that, too."

Besides relaxing Haynesworth's technical burdens, Washburn created other avenues to help the tackle flourish. He used him as a defensive end on many passing downs, and would draw significant attention from tight ends and chips from running backs when doing so.

"One-on-one, you don't see anyone blocking him," said Redskins defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin, now slated to start alongside Haynesworth.

"His speed rushing off the edge is tremendous," one NFL personnel executive said, "and he can play right [tackle], he can play left [tackle] and he can play both end positions."

According to Jason AH will be enough for Blache to handle without adding Peppers into the mix. For every Dexter Manley, there has to be a Charles Mann.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

SPRINGS WILL VISIT THE EAGLES
Posted by Mike Florio on March 3, 2009, 5:39 p.m.
With cornerback Lito Sheappard traded to the Jets, the Eagles need a replacement on the depth chart.

And they might have found one in Shawn Springs.

The Eagles have announced that Springs will visit the team. In many cases with the Eagles, it’s a precursor to signing the player.

The Eagles also have Asante Samuel, Sheldon Brown, and Joselio Hanson on the depth chart. Hanson recently signed a contract extension that entrenches him as the nickel back, at a minimum. So unless the Eagles are thinking about moving Brown, Springs would be the dime back, at best.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree! The trenches are where you fill first. I just know we will do something else instead of the obvious need.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | March 3, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

For a great talent, I suggest a very very very very simple question. What does he do best? Then have him do that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 3, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

OMG, I just read FEINSTEIN's blast of UNCLE DANNY and his bag-man VINNIE. Couldn't have done better myself. Shades of GEORGE PRESTON MARSHALL. Anything for a buck. DS still thinks he can market the REDSKINS into both a successful money-maker AND a world championship.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 3, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Dexter Manley and Charles Mann -- Manley was a 5th rounder; Mann was a 3rd rounder. That's just one indication of how for this organization has fallen in talent evaluation.

I like Haynesworth, but for the same money the Skins could have gotten Canty/Bernard/Boley and perhaps some additional depth in future years, because it sounds like those contracts involve less guaranteed money.

Like the saying goes with markets -- diversify and spread risk. The kind of money that the Skins are paying for Haynesworth is HOFer money for the next three seasons (if they get three HOF seasons, then the rest is gravy). Those are some huge expectations.

Posted by: JPRS | March 3, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/03/zorn_still_weird_hall_still_co.html

Something positive from the Post.

It makes me Zorny! ...wait and see...

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

This article basically suggests that Vinny and Danny are not familiar with the schemes that are run offensively and defensively which might also explains why most of the FA's are flopped in Washington.

Posted by: thewayitis | March 3, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"For whatever anyone thinks of Taylor, the guy is a professional. Maybe he found there weren't as many here as he had hoped."

Sorry JRied, gotta join the pile on. I'd like to know your definition of "professional".

If "professional" means playing hurt, then I'm waiting for the post that rips Shawn Springs for being "unprofessional" all season.

Last year JT flipped Miami the bird in the offseason to do a TV gig - not "professional" in my book.

This year, despite the fact that we would honor a salary that he has not lived up to, he won't even stick around to work out w/teammates and integrate into the defense - not very "professional" in my book.

Posted by: p1funk | March 3, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Me me try to put a window in this thing...RI is entertainment and a daily stream of Skins news. Do I think there is biased reporting...YES! There have been many cheap shots taken at the front office, but the bottom line is that Snyder is a billionaire and it's lonely at the top. When you don't win, and spend big, you get criticized...just the way it is. I don't think this team gets enough credit for the moves they have made. We were in the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years. We all want more,but just talk to the Lions, Texans, Bills, etc.

The Steelers and Patriots are considered model organizations, but one thing that's never mentioned is that they've had the same coaches for many years. We changed coaches and systems often.

Does Snyder want to win...yes? Has he made mistakes...plenty? But you'll never please all fans, even with a Super Bowl.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's top 20.

1 Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
2 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 Jason Smith OT Baylor
4 Brian Orakpo DE/LB Texas
5 Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
6 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
7 Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia
8 Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma State
9 Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
10 Mark Sanchez QB USC
11 B.J. Raji DT Boston College
12 Robert Ayers DE Tennessee
13 Andre Smith OT Alabama
14 Percy Harvin WR Florida
15 Brian Cushing LB USC
16 Donald Brown RB Connecticut
17 Tyson Jackson DE LSU
18 Peria Jerry DT Mississippi
19 Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
20 Josh Freeman QB Kansas State

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I know it probably wont happen, but how sweet would it be to have Monroe still be available come the 13th pick. He is exactly what we need!

Posted by: erleach | March 3, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Still_Hope_Kendall_Returns_32671.jsp

Looks like Pete Kendall should be back.

He'll be good back-up and insurance for R. Thomas.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

What is our cap situation. I know we were somewhere around 12 mil under before the signings and the springs/taylor release. The two cuts saved around 14 mil so 26 million minus the small numbers in this year dock hall and AH have should allow us to get at least an o lineman and a linebacker. I say snyder throws 50 million at an owner in exchange for a young lineman or backer in a contract ytear, then we resign him. if he has so much money why doesnt he spend it acquiring guys instead of paying them so they get old and fat

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 3, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, since people talk about how well the Eagles are run, how many Super Bowls do they have?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Still_Hope_Kendall_Returns_32671.jsp

Looks like Pete Kendall should be back.

He'll be good back-up and insurance for R. Thomas.

Posted by: filmchis | March 3, 2009"

He'll be last and least ... I suspect they will wait until after the draft. They have until just before the draft to decide if they want to pursue some RFA's.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

On the OL front they still need a new starting left tackle, another guard/center for depth and/or eventual replacement for Thomas, and another tackle/guard. Unless Rhinehart suddenly decides to actually try to make himself into a starter.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, since people talk about how well the Eagles are run, how many Super Bowls do they have?

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles have alot of work to do in the draft if they wanna hold a chance this year in our division. It seems they havent been able to resign any of their FAs. Lost Lito and Dawkins. They were important players in that secondary. Hey works for me!

Posted by: erleach | March 3, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid you've become a Jason LaCanfora clone.

Posted by: fja711 | March 3, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"We've learned our lesson," Snyder said. "This is not the old ways at all. This is what I should have done a long time ago. He's a very young man.

"I've learned that you don't do a seven-year contract with a player that's 33. You do it when he's 27. That's the big difference."

This seems to say that Pete Kendall and anyone over 28 has a long wait before the Redskins sign them as depth.

It appears that Snyder is at least more oriented toward youth, as some measure of insurance against injury and missing games.

Posted by: periculum | March 3, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

72Redskins

I think we all agree that our "FO" is a mess with no real plan. That's not the issue. The issue is we don't need to hear it every single time JLC and others talk about the skins. As fans we understand better then any one what our problems are. We dont't need every post to bring them up. What we want is real insider news prior to it being posted on every other outlet before we hear it here.

Posted by: jandlml | March 3, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Dear jasons,

Instead of bashing the skins how about updating us on who the skins are talking to to fill the holes of T, LB, and DE. I mean they do have an extra 8.5 million

Posted by: thehogs | March 3, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

What's the latest on Demetric Evans?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 3, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Should we go after another running back? Do anybody agree we need a better back up for Portis? Betts is not the answer..

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 4, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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