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Posted at 5:15 PM ET, 01/11/2011

Daniel Snyder on lessons he's learned as team owner

By Washington Post editors

Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder says he has matured as an owner and learned some valuable lessons during his tenure. He spoke this morning at a conference on the business of sports hosted by the Washington Post.

By Washington Post editors  | January 11, 2011; 5:15 PM ET
Categories:  Daniel M. Snyder  
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boycott he$$one

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

boycott he$$one

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

He says the same crap after we have a losing season every freaking year

Posted by: ocskins | January 11, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse


boycott he$$one

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 5:32 PM |

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believe me, there's plenty that do

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Snyder was a driving force behind this McNabb trade.

The only thing he's learning is how to B.S. for the cameras.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse


I'm sure Snyder was a driving force behind this McNabb trade.

The only thing he's learning is how to B.S. for the cameras.

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2011 5:36 PM |

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if that's the case, shanahan is sitting at a bar, drunk, wondering what he's gotten himself into

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse


Re: Al Gore's Inventions

He invented the internet, and then he invented global warming. Quite a resume. You'd think he were pretty smart and then you remember that he lost an election to "W" that he actually may have won, so he can't be that smart.

POSTED BY PFunk1

Trying to sneak one by...Trying to see if Libs read your posts, huh?

Gore didn't invent Global Warming he wrote a #1 best seller about it, and won an Oscar for a movie about it and him. Meanwhile, you post here instead of, I dunno, learning about Methane.

Interesting comment about the election. So you're saying it's the victim's fault for getting robbed?

As for Snyder...

I guess dude decided to make headlines when he learned I'd be on the radio tonight to talk about it. What a guy. 9:30 EST

http://www.cleveland.com/dsn/index.ssf/2010/11/dsn_video_live_stream.html

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"understand that we feel so bad when we disappoint the fans," he said.

Anybody buying that this greaseball feels bad for the fans? If so, why does he still provide what several sportswriters have called "the worst game day experience in America"?

And yes, the McNabb trade reeks of his m.o. too.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 11, 2011 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there's any question that Shanahan and Allen have the final say now. The suspension of Big Al and the benching of McNabb showed that. Both those cats are gone in the offseason. And I think Portis - Danny's favorite - will be out too.

But Snyder isn't the worst owner in the NFL (he's nowhere near the best either). The worst has to be Al[zheimer] Davis. Firing Tom Cable after the Raydahs finally fought in every game for 16 games, posted an 8-8 record and went 6-0 in the AFC West... only Al would fire someone after that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, after you've matured six or seven times, I think you're just crying wolf.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 11, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse


Players say NFL's 18-game proposal is major hitch

By HOWARD FENDRICH
The Associated Press
Tuesday, January 11, 2011; 5:42 PM

WASHINGTON -- NFL union executive committee members Scott Fujita and Domonique Foxworth say concerns about injuries make the league's push to switch to an 18-game regular season a major sticking point in negotiations for a new collective bargaining agreement.

Speaking Tuesday on a media conference call arranged by the union, Cleveland linebacker Fujita called the NFL's 18-game proposal "completely unacceptable" and "like a slap in the face."

Baltimore cornerback Foxworth said the extra regular-season games "is just going to multiply the injuries and the ailments that we're going to see after we go into our 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s."

The current CBA expires in March. Asked if he thinks a lockout is inevitable, Fujita replied: "It certainly looks that way to me."


Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

But Snyder isn't the worst owner in the NFL (he's nowhere near the best either). The worst has to be Al[zheimer] Davis. Firing Tom Cable after the Raydahs finally fought in every game for 16 games, posted an 8-8 record and went 6-0 in the AFC West... only Al would fire someone after that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 5:50 PM


Funny you should mention Davis... I believe, and become more convinced as time goes on, that Snyder aspires to be like Al Davis.

Davis has made a lot of moves that defy rational logic, but he has also experienced real success in the NFL... Snyder hasn't.

Davis has been to the Super Bowl more recently than Shanahan has... and Snyder's never been.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Little Danny has learned nothing and changed nothing in his decade owning the Redskins. And he won't change as long as he's raking in the dough. He thinks that's proof that he's doing it right.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 11, 2011 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Davis has been to the Super Bowl more recently than Shanahan has... and Snyder's never been.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Who was the GM of that team Alan?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Davis has been to the Super Bowl more recently than Shanahan has... and Snyder's never been.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Who was the GM of that team Alan?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

From our old friend JLC at nfl.com:

"Mike Shanahan has long been intrigued by [Jamarcus] Russell, he worked him out during the season and Redskins coaches told me Russell was impressive. Shanahan is not afraid of a gamble, and has at times even seemed to court controversy with his handling of the McNabb and Albert Haynesworth situations. I could see the Redskins taking a chance on Russell."

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

From our old friend JLC at nfl.com:

"Mike Shanahan has long been intrigued by [Jamarcus] Russell, he worked him out during the season and Redskins coaches told me Russell was impressive. Shanahan is not afraid of a gamble, and has at times even seemed to court controversy with his handling of the McNabb and Albert Haynesworth situations. I could see the Redskins taking a chance on Russell."

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:25 PM |

This from the guy who had no inside information when he was here.

Give me a break with this sh-t if he wanted jamarcus he would have signed him earlier this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I think the Raiders are going to be tough next year. I thought they were tough this year (a lot tougher than they have been for a long time). I think part of that was having the same coach two years in a row.

There is something to be said for continuity of roster, but more importantly continuity of coaches. Pittsburgh has only had something like four coaches. Ever. On the roster, I do think that they need to replace more guys, but mostly just so they CAN have continuity ... they need younger players so that they can keep them. The business model built around experienced vets (AT their peaks) means that those experienced vets stay on the roster post-peak ... whether its Deion Sanders or Clinton Portis or etc etc.

Still, this year's free agent class is a bumper crop because so many were not allowed to become unrestricted this past season ... so first post-rookie contract FAs seems AOK to me, esp. b/c there are so many positions where our starters should be our depth.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse


Who was the GM of that team Alan?

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:22 PM


Bruce Allen, exactly. Snyder now has Al Davis' old GM and Al Davis' old coach.

Thanks for helping me point out how much Snyder aspires to be like Al Davis.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

sween,

You are aware that the Raiders fired there coach and are looking for a new one right?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

sween,

You are aware that the Raiders fired there coach and are looking for a new one right?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

If they want Flabbert and can't get him, maybe JaMarcus Russell is their man.

First round fails sometimes have success later on. Low risks to find out if they guy is out of work anyway. Look at what Mike Williams did this year in Seattle. The key is to find a guy out of work (and not be named is Vinny Cerrato who throws a 7th round pick at Eramus James).

Carriker might have find a new chance at his lagging career to be back in the defense of the guy who actually drafted him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

You are aware that the Raiders fired there coach and are looking for a new one right?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 11, 2011 6:34 PM

The head coaching job in Oakland is a figure head position anyway. Everyone there still refers to Al Davis as "Coach." But to answer your question, yes I knew that, but I thought Hue Jackson all but sign the paper for the job.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse


Bruce Allen, exactly. Snyder now has Al Davis' old GM and Al Davis' old coach.

Thanks for helping me point out how much Snyder aspires to be like Al Davis.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:30 PM |

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so that means shanahan will get fired like cable did after two seasons, going 5-11 the first season and 8-8 the next

tom cable

2008 4-8
2009 5-11
2010 8-8

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

If they want Flabbert and can't get him, maybe JaMarcus Russell is their man.

First round fails sometimes have success later on. Low risks to find out if they guy is out of work anyway. Look at what Mike Williams did this year in Seattle. The key is to find a guy out of work (and not be named is Vinny Cerrato who throws a 7th round pick at Eramus James).

Carriker might have find a new chance at his lagging career to be back in the defense of the guy who actually drafted him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 11, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, after you've matured six or seven times, I think you're just crying wolf.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 11, 2011 5:51 PM

LMFAO, it does seem like we hear this every dang time we get a new coach.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I have a hard time imagining JaMarcus Russell turning his game around with Shanahan.

If Shanahan didn't like McNabb's practice habits, and given the Haynesworth fiasco, it sure seems like adding JaMarcus would be a match made in hell.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM

Guess who the person was that floated his name recently...This guy.

He's been a bust but he's athletic enough to run Shanahan's offense. He's also shown progress over the last two YRs with a QB over rating over 81 and throwing 32 TDs with 22 INTs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

lets see, the last 2 posts were on costly mistakes and and lessons learned (or not). Which makes it a perfect time for:

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

My Annual Review of Me. What did I get right, what did I get wrong and how bad was it?

Comments are from my 2010 Season Preview edition, followed by an evaluation of my alternative to the Shanaplan.

Here goes:

1. Comment: Defense. I don’t get it. Too many people seem to be playing away from their strength. Alexander, Carter and Orakpo have all shown they are best at the line with their hand down, going forward.

Score: Yup

2. Comment: This new system doesn’t take advantage of several skill sets. Haslett wants more turnovers, but which of these LBs (that were DL) can catch an INT or keep up with most RBs or TEs in pass coverage?

Score: 2 for 2. Did anyone else notice the number of picks made by our LBs this year? Or that Orakpo got injured and missed a game after trying to keep up with an RB in coverage?

3. Comment: I’ve said from the outset, none of the offseason stuff matters if Albert is a beast in the regular season. Its not about Albert’s happiness, I’d prefer him angry – and pointed at the other team.

Score: None, I was smart enough not to predict an inherently unpredictable situation – the reason for using word ‘if’.

4. Comment: Haslett’s general approach is to use speed and different formations to create confusion for the offense. From time to time, we’ll also confuse ourselves … we’ll give up a lot of big plays as a result of our ‘creativity’.

Score: Yes (3 right /0 wrong)

5. Comment: There is too much talent and experience to have the defense melt down in DEBACLE ’09 ® style … Of note, 1 year ago, I overestimated the defense, by a lot. We have enough talent to make bunches of plays on our side, balancing out the big plays we will give up. Talent overcomes confusion, and the defense is top 10-ish in both yards allowed and turnovers.

Score: Ooops, I did it again. Overestimated the defense. A Yes (turnovers) and a No (yards). But that No should probably be: NOOOOOOOO -- it was a really big No. (4/1)

6. Comment: The offense got a major upgrade, a huge upgrade, an almost too good to be true upgrade, when Shanahan pulled the key trade of the offseason and acquired … Jamaal Brown. Going from Heyer to Brown is an upgrade of epic proportions and will be key to both the pass game and run game.

Score: It may work out in the big picture, but it wasn’t close to epic: No. (4/2)

7. Comment: The OL that was on the field for most of last season was atrocious. We’re up to adequate. The interior of the line is marginal, modestly improved over last season. But I’m not sold on it, especially with everyone on he interior over 30 (Dockery, Rabach and Hicks).

Score: Yes, Shanny replaced 2 of those 3 interior guys and Rabach was hanging by a thread. (5/2)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 2

8. Comment: Trent Williams is going to struggle as a rookie, as he’s facing a ‘murderer’s row’ lineup. The guy who helps Williams to block will be a huge determinate in the success of this team. …our OL depth is, ummm, forgettable (scary?). If we get hit with injuries on the OL, the season will be forgettable (ugly?).

Score: Yes, Williams struggled and our OL wasn’t very good. (6/2)

9. Comment: The WR group is also marginal. They’d be awful if not for Moss. We may wind up longing for Randle El (the WR, not the PR). The TE spot is strong.

Score: Yes, but not exactly going out on a limb there, was I? WR was a bit better than marginal. Armstrong was a bright spot and no one was pining for ARE. Moss had good numbers, but also huge drops. And we had virtually no production from the #3 WR spot. (7/2)

10. Comment: I don’t like our RBs.

Score: Yes. Shanny didn’t like them either; he replaced most of them (8/2)

11. Comment: McNabb: There will be bumps in the transition, more than most want to acknowledge. But he can read a defense and knows the NFC East. One ‘not to be underestimated’ item is the lack of a pass catching RB. McNabb thrived on this in philly where a dump-off to an RB was as likely to create a big play as a pass downfield. McNabb lost almost the same number of sack yards/game as Campbell did last season. That is another area of risk, especially given the pass rushers he’ll see. …we’ve got a QB who can (and must) take advantage of the goodies the defense gives us … and he can win a close game with a late score.

Score: No. I did call some of the problems, but I can’t give myself credit for this one. On balance, I was predicting modest success, while acknowledging the optimism was too high and there’d be problems. But these weren’t bumps, these were landmines … I didn’t see that coming. (8/3)

12. Comment: about the backup QB. If he’s playing, we’ll need to win with defense. Against some teams, the offense can play modestly under Rex and win, but not against the majority of our schedule. We’re not going to win much if Rex has to run the show.

Score: more true than not and a close call, but since Rex did no worse than Donovan, its: No (8/4)

13. Comment: On offense, I think we fall a bit below the middle. Maybe 20-25th overall.

Score: Yes. #18 in yds, #25 in ppg, #22 in fumbles lost, #21 in INTs. (9/4)

14. Comment: I think special teams will be better, in large part because of the head coach and his attention to them.

Score: I guess so, mostly due to Banks, but I can’t bring myself to give credit for such a modest prediction.

15. Comment: Our biggest strength. The head coach, I’ve got nothing but confidence in Shanahan, the coach… we’ll see a killer instinct, be better prepared, he’ll outcoach a lot of guys. In every facet of the game, most every week, Shanahan gives us a distinct edge.

Score: Yeah, well, maybe I should have been more skeptical: No (9/5)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am a homer...and I think this has been one of the most ineffectively run organizations over the past decade. Having said that, firing Cerrato is a start and I cannot imagine that Shanahan/Allen could build a worse team.

Snyder has no "good faith" built up so he'll get slammed until he wins. I think's he's starting to get it...it's just that it's been broken for so long that you don't go from 4-12 to 12-4 with the talent you have on this team.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 11, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

But Snyder isn't the worst owner in the NFL (he's nowhere near the best either). The worst has to be Al[zheimer] Davis. Firing Tom Cable after the Raydahs finally fought in every game for 16 games, posted an 8-8 record and went 6-0 in the AFC West... only Al would fire someone after that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Couple of things. At least Davis at one time was a first rate owner. And, senile or no, which team has the better roster going into the offseason?

And while I agree dumping Cable after the sharp improvement in the Raiders fortunes makes no sense, neither did the firing of Schottenheimer by Snyder, when HIS team went from 0-5, to 8-3).

And as irrational as Davis is, he hasn't done anything quite as bewildering as bringing in a quarterback coach as offensive coordinator--then promoting him to head coach before the offseason ended.

Shall we mention Cerrato's long reign of terror?

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse


I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM

Guess who the person was that floated his name recently...This guy.

He's been a bust but he's athletic enough to run Shanahan's offense. He's also shown progress over the last two YRs with a QB over rating over 81 and throwing 32 TDs with 22 INTs.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 6:54 PM |

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can he stay healthy though ?

Posted by: hessone | January 11, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 3

16. Comment: I’ve got concerns about Shanahan’s role as team president

Score: Blow-ups with his 2 highest paid players? Yes (10/5)

17. Comment: The real story in the Beast in 2010 is at offensive left tackle, (they face) Murderer’s Row. 11 games vs Pro Bowl level edge rushers coming from the blind side … who will help the LT protect the QB? And if you need to help out the LT a lot, is that going to leave problems elsewhere?
Here’s where I like Shanahan to excel. Our #3 TE, Paulsen impressed with his blocking in the preseason, and he’ll be on the field a lot more than people think. Our FB, Mike Sellers has a fire under him, with the Skins keeping him and Darrel Young. Pass blocking TEs and RBs are going to have a huge say in this division – and Shanahan has kept 3 guys to do that job. Good call.

Score: One of each. The pass rushers we faced took out a bunch of QBs, including romo, kolb and the Vikes w/Jared Allen beat the heck out of vick. Yes. However, I don’t think that Shanahan did that well here: No. (11/6)

18. Comment: I’m happy to say it -- dallas is the most vulnerable to these pass rushers. The help guys aren’t that good and they’ve got leaks already springing on parts of the line. Piñata Sundays, starring tony romo as the piñata (It’s another Piñata Sunday – sing it to the tune of Tequila Sunrise).

Score: Yes. Specifically called out their weakness with their help guys and romo got taken out when an RB misses a block. The only thing keeping this from being a perfect call? It wasn’t a Piñata Sunday -- romo got taken out on a Monday night. (12/6)

19. Comment: The jints are the best equipped to handle the onslaught, with a good blocking TE, a good blocking back and a sound OL.

Score: Yes (13/6)

20. Comment: Not so sure philly is in good shape, weaver seems OK, but I’m not sold on his protection skills. It seems philly has some OL issues and the young QB won’t help them.

Score: Yes, the young QB got KO’d early. Ironically, the backup didn’t need a great OL (14/6)

21. Comment: The blind side will be a huge factor in how 2010 turns out in the NFC East.

Score: And it was, Yes. Though not always in expected ways. After all, when Clay Matthews (one of the specific names I mentioned as part of Murderer’s Row) took out kolb, it turned out to be a plus for philly. Also worth noting, osi had 10(!!) forced fumbles for the jints. (15/6)

22. Comment: Each team in the Beast has above average talent, at least one major exploitable flaw and an insanely tough schedule. You have to be a good team to get to 8-8 if you play in the Beast in 2010. I get all 4 teams in the 8-9 win area, with no one pulling away.

Score: No one dominated, the top to bottom spread was just 4 games, but it was only a 2 team playoff race for most of the second half of the year: No (15/7)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 4

23. Comment: There’s a reason there are no QB controversies in the Beast – the backups are not close to the starters. Given the tough schedule, there are relatively few games that an NFC Beast team will be OK in – if they have to start their backup QB.

Score: No. Backups did better than fine. kitna had more success than romo, vick more than kolb and Rex at least equaled Donovan. (15/8)

Comment: I think the NFC East is the most evenly matched division in football and a contender for the best overall division in football. It wouldn’t shock me if every team in the east goes 3-3 within the division. I would be shocked if any team goes 5-1 in the division or 1-5 for that matter.

Score: Yes. No division was more even. Two teams go 3-3, one 4-2 and one 2-4. (16/8)

24. Comment: if people are talking about Albert Haynesworth as a defensive player of the year candidate (as a Redskin), we’ll have good reason to talk about the playoffs. If people are talking about Albert as a bust, either because of his play or because he was sent packing, we’re probably last in the division.

Score: Yes. Sigh. (17/8)

25. Comment: I think the Skins are in the playoff hunt all season long because I see the division being so close. 8 wins. Playoffs? Possible, I give it a 1/4 chance.

Score: Though I wasn’t off by much on the win total, the Skins were not in the hunt for most of the 2nd half of the season. No (17/9)

17 of 26? Better than I’d have guessed, though I missed on some of the bigger ones (the defense, the HC, McNabb).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 5 (and thankfully, the last)

I took plenty of heat when I criticized certain moves Shanahan made in preseason -- several people (politely?) asked what I’d have done differently. This also gets reviewed.

The summary of the main things I’d have done differently:

1. Instead of trading for McNabb, I’d have traded to get M Pouncey. How? I’d have traded down to #6 overall pick (and gotten either TW or Okung). Used whatever additional pick that provided, plus the picks we used for McNabb, plus F Davis (or Cooley or Andre Carter), to get Pouncey (he went 18th overall).

2. I would have let Portis go, the only RB I would have kept was Ganther, and he’d have had to beat out whoever got brought in, which probably wouldn’t have happened. It was always a no to Larry Johnson.

3. Would have gone after Mankins, who was holding out in NE, and traded a 2011 second rounder for him – and maybe a tad more.

4. Would have traded Albert, Carter and 1 TE while they had value for picks or other guys that were a better fit for a 3-4.

5. Would have not have had Devin Thomas play special teams, I’d have him focus on WR and either sink or swim.

My offense would have been:

OL: TW (or Okung), Mankins, Pouncey, Hicks and Jammal Brown.
QB: Campbell.
RB: Torain from day 1.
WRs probably the same, unless Thomas made some sort of great leap forward.
TEs: might not have had Cooley or Davis.

Based on how guys played in 2010, my OL would have been massively better. Both Mankins and Pouncey are going to the Pro Bowl. But more to the point, our left side would have been: TW, Mankins and Pouncey at LT, LG and C – for the next 5 years. That is at least in the same zip code as Jacoby/Lachey, Grimm and Bostic. It’s a helluva zip code.

QB would have been better. Campbell had a better year than Donovan or Rex.

The RB guys would have been the same overall – Torain was as good as Portis.

The WR group would have been the same. Thomas would probably have sunk, but given what Galloway or Roydell produced, Billy Preston covered it when he said ‘nothing from nothing leaves nothing’.

TE, a bit less as either Davis or Cooley would have been out.

Future: We’d enter the 2011 draft without a 2nd rounder, though trading Albert + Carter probably gets us the 3rd and 4th round picks back.

Money: McNabb was over $10mil more than Campbell. Mankins about $8mil/yr and Pouncey, under his 5 year rookie deal, around the same price as Rabach.

My approach would mean we’d have been much younger at the start of the 2010. The Skins got younger during the year, but even with all the young replacements, we’d still have been a bit younger at the end of year with my approach.

And oh yeah, I wouldn’t have gone to the 3-4 on defense.

All in all, my plan clobbered the Shanaplan.

And there is my annual review of me and ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always brought to you by the finest folks at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM

Guess who the person was that floated his name recently...This guy.

He's been a bust but he's athletic enough to run Shanahan's offense. He's also shown progress over the last two YRs with a QB over rating over 81 and throwing 32 TDs with 22 INTs.

Posted by: Diesel44

Smith has had mediocre coaches to help him develop, 'cept for Norv who knows QBs. But pretty much, he's had a new OC every year. He won't be great, but he may come cheap.

Thing is, there are a lot of QBs that are likely to be available in this offseason -- most would make ideal backups.

Alex Smith
Troy Smith
McNabb
VY
kitna
kolb
Shaun Hill
Matt Moore
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton

+Delhomme, Seneca Wallace, Stanton, Chad Henne, Matt Hasslebeck, Byron Leftwich

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Danny, please get rid of at least one of the Shanahans!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 11, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Re: Al Gore's Inventions

He invented the internet, and then he invented global warming. Quite a resume. You'd think he were pretty smart and then you remember that he lost an election to "W" that he actually may have won, so he can't be that smart.

POSTED BY PFunk1

Trying to sneak one by...Trying to see if Libs read your posts, huh?

Gore didn't invent Global Warming he wrote a #1 best seller about it, and won an Oscar for a movie about it and him. Meanwhile, you post here instead of, I dunno, learning about Methane.

Interesting comment about the election. So you're saying it's the victim's fault for getting robbed?

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse


When you can't manage to ride Clinton's coat-tails into the White House, I suppose movies and books are the next best thing...or Secretary of State in Hillary's case.

Yes, the whole global-warming spiel was definitely an Oscar-worthy performance.

And - true to form - it wouldn't be a Lib post without a victim-card being played somewhere...

Posted by: p1funk | January 11, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 7:04 PM |

There are other whack-job owners out there. The Phins owner reportedly flew out to the west cost and stalked Harbaugh for a while, offering him $8 mil/yr, even though the Phins had an existing HC, Tony Soprano, who was sitting in his office in Miami passing gas while this travesty was unfolding. $8 mil, more than any HC in the NFL was earning, for a dude who had never been a NFL HC. Amazing.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 11, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Firing Tom Cable after the Raydahs finally fought in every game for 16 games, posted an 8-8 record and went 6-0 in the AFC West... only Al would fire someone after that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 11, 2011 5:50 PM |

Word has it that the Raids got to 8-8 and 6-0 because they finally got a decent O and that was on Hue Jack, not the Cable Guy.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 11, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at the list of the best free agent acquisitions over the last 10 years. Guys like Brees, etc.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 11, 2011 6:15 PM

Hey, dim_bulb, Brees was acquired in a trade. He wasn't a free agent and he wasn't on any "list of the best free agent acquisitions." London Fletcher was on that list.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

As far as I can see, there is one thing Snyder has it in his power to do that would dramatically improve the Redskins--sell the team to an owner who doesn't think he's the smartest guy in the room!

Posted by: nrjlh | January 11, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

sell the team to an owner who doesn't think he's the smartest guy in the room!

Posted by: nrjlh | January 11, 2011 8:38 PM

That would be the first such owner in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

We all know in our heart of hearts we will hear the following on draft day:

"With the 10th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, the Washington Redskins select........Jake Locker, QB University of Washington."

Book It Chumps!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan had gone 6-0 in the NFC East this year, we'd all be ready to see him fitted for a crown. Cable's firing is a disgrace. He preached defense, discipline and accountability. Three things that have been missing from that organization for years.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 11, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Agree with the above assessment of Gore. If you can't beat a clown like W, then come on. Same goes for global warming. If it can't stand up to stubborn stupidity how real can it be?

Posted by: mack1 | January 11, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Word has it that the Raids got to 8-8 and 6-0 because they finally got a decent O and that was on Hue Jack, not the Cable Guy.

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | January 11, 2011 8:03 PM

Funny thing is, Wolverine used to work for Snyder as our OC. Yet our offense has been mired in mediocrity, scoring-wise, for a decade.

Dude goes to Oakland, and they double their scoring output in 1 year.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan had gone 6-0 in the NFC East this year, we'd all be ready to see him fitted for a crown. Cable's firing is a disgrace. He preached defense, discipline and accountability. Three things that have been missing from that organization for years.


Posted by: NYPDee | January 11, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign. A little perplexing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

sell the team to an owner who doesn't think he's the smartest guy in the room!

Posted by: nrjlh | January 11, 2011 8:38 PM

That would be the first such owner in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep |

not sure who gets the original credit for this thought, but its true:

There will always be someone richer and dumber than you.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

The preferred list:

Alex Smith
Troy Smith
McNabb
VY
kitna
kolb
Shaun Hill
Matt Moore
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton
Drew Stanton
Matt Flynn


I'd sit through 16 games of these guys getting a shot to start before enduring another extended viewing of Rex Grossman.

And wouldn't it be funny if the Shanahans decide, "What the hay?" and make up McNabb, figuring his diminished trade value and skill still is better than #8?

Wilder things have happened.....


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Cable's firing is a disgrace. He preached defense, discipline and accountability.

Discipline and accountability are the bedrocks of any committment to excellence you might make.

Unless, of course, you're Al Davis.

Tom Cable will get another head coaching job.

I caught 3-4 raiders' games and they played hard week in and week out ('cept the stillers' game where they got beat like a bunch of bad children.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse


Take a look at the list of the best free agent acquisitions over the last 10 years. Guys like Brees, etc.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 11, 2011 6:15 PM

Hey, dim_bulb, Brees was acquired in a trade. He wasn't a free agent and he wasn't on any "list of the best free agent acquisitions." London Fletcher was on that list.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 11, 2011 8:36 PM

You sure about this? Miami traded for Culpepper because they had concerns about Brees's shoulder. Brees then signed with the Saints for 5YRs at 60MIL..

Anyways I'm looking forward to seeing some Brett Farve bombs to Randy Moss this season. I wonder if Jess Atknson and Marko Mitchell will give up their numbers to make it happen. Hopefully Asomugha will not demand to wear #21 and I'm sure Champ can give a couple hundy to James Davis for #24.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

What happened to C. Palmer, anyway? It isn't just the injuries. He looks timid and makes poor decisions. Can't believe this is the same guy that looked like a stud a couple of years ago.

Sadly, I don't see anything on that qb list above that would be much of an improvement over Grossboy.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 11, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

But Snyder isn't the worst owner in the NFL (he's nowhere near the best either). The worst has to be Al[zheimer] Davis. Firing Tom Cable after the Raydahs finally fought in every game for 16 games, posted an 8-8 record and went 6-0 in the AFC West... only Al would fire someone after that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

Couple of things. At least Davis at one time was a first rate owner. And, senile or no, which team has the better roster going into the offseason?

And while I agree dumping Cable after the sharp improvement in the Raiders fortunes makes no sense, neither did the firing of Schottenheimer by Snyder, when HIS team went from 0-5, to 8-3).

And as irrational as Davis is, he hasn't done anything quite as bewildering as bringing in a quarterback coach as offensive coordinator--then promoting him to head coach before the offseason ended.

Shall we mention Cerrato's long reign of terror?

Posted by: TheCork | January 11, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

You've gotta be fuggin' kiddin me! Please tell me you don't hate Snyder this much to give Al Davis more credibility than Dan Snyder. Snyder sucks...BUT

C'mon Man!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 11, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

alan4

Yet our offense has been mired in mediocrity, scoring-wise, for a decade....Dude goes to Oakland, and they double their scoring output in 1 year...


Two friends who are die-hards gloating raiders fans pointed something out to me--their fanaticism may or may not be true, but:

Hue Jackson believes in Jason Campbell in ways no one really did in D.C..

Campbell plays behind a good offensive line and with a great young back in D McFadden.

He still holds the ball too long, but for whatever reason, is way more accurate than he was in D.C..

The raiders have an emerging star named Jacoby Ford who is a notch top wide receiver for him to throw to.

And Heyward-Bey and Lewis Murphy ain't that bad either.

A Fred Davis to OakTown trade is what they, my friends want.

They brag to me every morning that this might be the only year where Campbell goes in as a starter with a line, receivers, and running game that's all suited to what he is: a guy who distributes the ball to playmakers, not an elite quarterback.

Campbell won at Auburn in just such a system.

I tell my friends they are nuts if they think the very average Campbell will win in Oakland.

They tell me that no, what's nuts is that D.C. let Campbell go only to find their own quarterback situation in chaos--and down two draft picks.

And that a mediocre player might be bad...

...but he beats chaos every time.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm just hoping for a run game and offensive line that's so nasty our QB(Locker) only has to throw it 15-20 times per game.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

You've gotta be fuggin' kiddin me! Please tell me you don't hate Snyder this much to give Al Davis more credibility than Dan Snyder. Snyder sucks...BUT

C'mon Man!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 11, 2011 9:13 PM

Al Davis is wierd and eccentric... but you gotta give credit. The man's football knowledge exceeds Snyder's, and not by a little bit.


Al Davis:
AFL's Coach of the Year in 1963

Inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1992

Career record 23-16-3

1976 Super Bowl XI
1980 Super Bowl XV
1983 Super Bowl XVIII

1967 AFL Championship
1976 AFC Championship
1980 AFC Championship
1983 AFC Championship
2002 AFC Championship


Dan Snyder:
(crickets)

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

I'm just hoping for a run game and offensive line that's so nasty our QB(Locker) only has to throw it 15-20 times per game.

That's what the jets do.

Too, didja notice how even a passing team with an alleged mediocre o-line (the packers) pulled that guy Starkes out of the closet to dominate the run game.

Folks say the Eagles would've won that game had Reid decided to feed McCoy and not pass so much.

The 'hawks ran at the saints to win.

The falcons should win this weekend by feeding the ball to M Bennett, then passing only when the have to.

The stillers v. ravens will feature two teams who can run the ball, but will have to pass to win as they stop the run so well.

And the pats?: they are the only team that can win in the air and beat you on the ground.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh. TheCork sounds like a chick. A fat one.

Posted by: pabrian2008 | January 11, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe

Hue Jackson believes in Jason Campbell in ways no one really did in D.C..

* Jackson was the one behind his benching 6 quarters into the year. But of course, in DC, throwing Campbell under the bus was a daily affair. And Jackson didn't do that. By the end of the year, Jackson was on board with Cmapbell.

Campbell plays behind a good offensive line and with a great young back in D McFadden.

* The OAK OL really isn't that good, but it did improve over the season. A ton of guys ran free to the QBs (both Cmapbell and Gradkowski). The RBs are the real deal, even when DMC was out, Bush was usually good in his place.

He still holds the ball too long, but for whatever reason, is way more accurate than he was in D.C..

* About the same, really.

The raiders have an emerging star named Jacoby Ford who is a notch top wide receiver for him to throw to. And Heyward-Bey and Lewis Murphy ain't that bad either.

* Ford is a star in the making and they didn't really find him until halfway into the season. But Murphy and Heyward-Bey aren't. They're actually pretty bad. Got to say, I like the way Murphy looks when he plays, but he always seems to miss something.

A Fred Davis to OakTown trade is what they, my friends want.

* They've got a TE who is as good as Fred Davis in Zach Miller, though he missed a bunch of games this year with a foot(?) problem.

They brag to me every morning that this might be the only year where Campbell goes in as a starter with a line, receivers, and running game that's all suited to what he is: a guy who distributes the ball to playmakers, not an elite quarterback.

Campbell won at Auburn in just such a system.

I tell my friends they are nuts if they think the very average Campbell will win in Oakland.

* OAK is going to be hard pressed to keep winning. They've got some genuine talent, but they also have some really major holes.

They tell me that no, what's nuts is that D.C. let Campbell go only to find their own quarterback situation in chaos--and down two draft picks.

And that a mediocre player might be bad...

...but he beats chaos every time.

* Never understood why Campbell was bashed so readily when he was here. In OAK, he had a good run game, average (at best) OL and 2nd and 3rd tier receivers -- and the offense was pretty good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo Alan-

You could also make the point that even his most recent accomplishment 83' (almost 30 YRs ago) are so dated that he's right there with Snyder as far as perceived "bad owner".

Sooner or later the shelf life runs out on one's achievements, right Alan4? It does in your mind with regards with Shanahan..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44,
What you say would be correct, if true. But his most recent achievement is actually an AFC Championship in 2002. Almost as stale as Shanahan's Superbowls, but at least in this millenium.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Sooner or later the shelf life runs out on one's achievements, right Alan4? It does in your mind with regards with Shanahan..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 9:39 PM

By the way, this isn't just in my mind. Obviously it was also in the mind of the man who ultimately fired Shanahan a decade after his last achievement.

To get fired after 2 SBs for performance... well that's rare. Only Tom Landry shares that distinction, and that was after his team was bought by a new owner.

To get fired by the same owner you won it all with....that pretty much means the shelf life ran out on your achievement.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

What you say would be correct, if true.

Posted by: Alan4
____________

Did he just say that?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 11, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

In OAK, he had a good run game, average (at best) OL and 2nd and 3rd tier receivers -- and the offense was pretty good.


This final conclusion is where my two friends started: that Jason Campbell may have a home in Oakland that he didn't have in D.C..

After JaMarcus Russell, any kind of professional quarterbacking is preferable--that's their point.

And they howl at the idea that the Shanahans were so arrogant about replacing Campbell only to end the season with the quarterback position a major question mark.

"We gave up a 4th in 2012 for a starting quarterback," they laugh.

Plus, I watched the raiders' end of the season beatdown against the chiefs and thought it was a fluke until the ravens came in and beat them the same way.

Campbell wasn't stellar in that game--just efficient enough to win.

The AFC West is going to be very, very, very interesting next year.

We'll be facing the AFC East: and that division is interesting all by itself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Oogalaboogala,
He reached an incorrect conclusion by starting with an untrue premise.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Well that's, like, a bummer, man.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 11, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

He reached an incorrect conclusion by starting with an untrue premise.


The phrase for this is 'a faulty syllogism' isn't it?

Don't ask me how I know such terms as I'd have to admit to being smarter than I appear that I am.

And we am not smart.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Mista --

Many years ago, two networks were bidding for rights to the NFC games. The incumbent network basically told the NFL, "The baby is ugly". The other network told the NFL, "The baby is beautiful".

Fox saw what CBS didn't -- and Fox got the deal.

I tend to see situations like Campbell's in that light. Two different groups look at the same thing and see it totally differently.

With Campbell, Skins mgmt wasn't been able to look at him objectively. Too bad, we're down a few picks + we got an even worse QB heading in 2011 -- and not much in the way of resources to get a better one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Moe.
Now it's clear that Diesel44 experiences "multiple faulty syllogisms". No wonder he enoys debating with me so much!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

One man's trash...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 11, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Not like I have a dog in the fight or anything, but Alan4(who also happens to be a Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell fan like myself) is pwning DeesNuts!

Posted by: pabrian2008 | January 11, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Sweet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueR1TFFEt3g

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 11, 2011 10:29 AM

Hi Hater!

Sham Newton = Tim Tebow 2.0

This video proves it. Say NO to religious d-bags including one particular RI poster know it all duechbag!!! He knows who he is

Posted by: pabrian2008 | January 11, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Not like I have a dog in the fight or anything, but Alan4(who also happens to be a Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell fan like myself)...

Posted by: pabrian2008 | January 11, 2011 10:20 PM

Clarification: I'm a Skins fan.

The way Zorn and Campbell were handled was not in the best interest of the team, and you probably see me defending them when someone attempts to blame them for all the teams woes over the past decade.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins mgmt wasn't able to look at him (JC) objectively.

The fault lies with the management-owner, then.

Team chaos is why were are where we are.

St Joe drafted Campbell way too high, then lost interest in staying around to develop him.

The FO chose not to draft a line to protect Campbell and sought out FA vets as playmakers who just didn't produce.

And the multiple offensive systems weren't a big help and aren't where young quarterbacks are involved.

I mean, how do you go from Joe's '90s style offense to Al Saunders' 400 page playbook to Zorn's WCO in 4 years and not look mediocre and confused?

Aaron Rodgers, by contrast, sat for 3 years before playing and is still running the same offense he learned during that time.

Snyder-Cerrato wanted a charismatic media darling who put up big numbers (they chased Cutler after hiring Zorn, remember?) and Campbell is a shy ball distributer who is an efficient, but yet average NFL quarterback.

Snyder wanted flash and Campbell is all dead-pan.

Thing is, quarterbacks like Campbell can win where the defense, o-line, running attack, receivers, and coaching are all good (see B Johnson in Tampa Bay'01; Dilfer in ballmer '00).

And the redskin FO didn't want to do the hard,smart work of building a team that way.

Thing is, now, they kinda have to.

And it's their own fault if they don't get it right this time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 11, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So the last time a team won a superbowl with an "average" QB was TB in 2002. Do you think a new pattern has formed or is an average QB due to win soon?

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 11, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Oogalaboogala,
He reached an incorrect conclusion by starting with an untrue premise

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo Alan. That went right over your head, I simply reversed your own incorrect conclusion and untrue premise and applied it to your nightly and tiresome nonsense you post. So take your faulty syllogisms and find a new cause. Shanahan isn't going anywhere and unfortunately neither is your hatred for an accomplished coach.

Knew it for awhile but pabrain2008 is ChiaPet.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

That was one of the best football weekends in world history..

The Goth-Skin song for the day-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1vrBwWEXCE

And Brewskie Korsakov exits stage left...

Posted by: frak | January 11, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo Alan. That went right over your head, I simply reversed your own incorrect conclusion and untrue premise and applied it to your nightly and tiresome nonsense you post. So take your faulty syllogisms and find a new cause. Shanahan isn't going anywhere and unfortunately neither is your hatred for an accomplished coach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 11:01 PM

Over my head? Oh, please. Jam that arrogant sh!t back where you got it from.

I know you can't stand the thought of me having a different opinion than you, but you're going to have to live with it and lay down your "multiple faulty syllogisms" elsewhere.

Pat Bowlen fired Shanahan because the shelf life on his achievements had expired. I agree with Pat Bowlen. One playoff win in a decade isn't good enough.

You happen to agree with Dan Snyder. Congratulations, Vinny.

We're all entitled to our own opinions, as wrong as yours may be.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 11, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Skins mgmt wasn't able to look at him (JC) objectively.

The fault lies with the management-owner, then.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Bingo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 11, 2011 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm restating the obvious (and what everyone has already said in various degrees of rage :D), but Danny said the same sort of thing when he hired Schottenheimer, Gibbs and last year Shanahan.

And as soon as they were out of the building, he hired Spurrier (oops) and Zorn (oops). I have no doubt if Shanny's 'Skins go 7-9 again, that Danny won't have patience, he'll re-hire Vinny, and the golf carts and the required "lunch with the coach" and sign as many overpriced, overrated, and/or over the hill free agents as possible. It's In His Blood....

If he really wanted to re-build our 'Skins, he'd probably hire an up-and-comer strong GM (not a yes-man for a coach with a history of questionable personnel decisions) and re-build primarily through the draft.

No doubt Danny would rather sell us false hopes year after year than ever suck it up and say "we'll stink for 3-4 years," and at the end of that we might finally have an exciting young team, with a few choice heart'n'soul veterans, that'll make you proud again. I'm with the other folks here who really don't think that'll ever happen until our 'Skins have a different owner.

Posted by: blackjack65 | January 12, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Knew it for awhile but pabrain2008 is ChiaPet.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 11, 2011 11:01 PM |

Actually Peabrain2008 is skinshaveaGM, perineum, and Thinker_. He admitted it when I caught him talking about "painting bald spots" and called me scramblybrains. No one else does that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Zeke, when you refer to the NFC East as the Beast, it has a very Jim Rome quality to it.

Nobody likes Jim Rome. Just sayin'.

Otherwise, I read most of your latest writings and agreed with a subset.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 12, 2011 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Zeke, when you refer to the NFC East as the Beast, it has a very Jim Rome quality to it.

Nobody likes Jim Rome. Just sayin'.

Otherwise, I read most of your latest writings and agreed with a subset.

Posted by: freakzilla

Seemed to me calling it the Beast was pretty mainstream. Did a quick search on the term and its pretty widely used.

As for Rome, though, count me among the haters.

I didn't know who he was until that video clip where he cheap-shotted Jim Everett by calling him Chris. After that, I said I'd never listen to the guy -- and I haven't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:23 AM | Report abuse

As for Rome, though, count me among the haters.

I didn't know who he was until that video clip where he cheap-shotted Jim Everett by calling him Chris. After that, I said I'd never listen to the guy -- and I haven't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 12, 2011 2:23 AM

Funny you say this...just last week I was discussing Rome with my brother and we both agreed that while we used to hate that d-bag, he's kinda grown on both of us. He's actually pretty funny, in a d0uchey, House M.D. kinda way. He's not "must see TV" by any stretch, but it's better than most of what's on TV at 4:30 pm on a weekday.

As for the run of Snyder talk, I'm kinda torn...on the one hand, it's good to see him try to take on more of a public face instead of hiding out like a Cowpies fan after a loss. But on the other hand, I'd like him to STFU about what he's learned when there is yet to be any tangible evidence to support the notion that he's doing anything other than what he always has: try to load up on other people's stars. You'd think this guy would wise up to the fact that Skins fans would rather see sustained success with a guy we can claim as our own (maybe Russ Grimm, Greg Manusky) instead of guys who have made names for themselves in other cities (Marty, Spurrier, Shanahan). Hopefully, he gets to the point where he "gets it" and we get back to forging our own identity like we did in the 70s and 80s.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Use to listen to Rome everyday from 12-3 back when 980 use to have "The Jungle". The radio show was much better than "Jim Rome is Burning".

Haven't listen to the show in YRs and I'm not even sure if there is an affiliate in this area. Which is too bad because anything is better than The John Thompson show or The Mike Wise show. Even Alan4 and is one man wolf pack of daily Shanahan angst thinks that's wack. I mean C'mon surely Shanahan should have been able to take over a 4-12 team, with a Tuuurible roster, a weak FA talent pool, while changing both the schemes of the O and D, and have us in the playoffs in his 1st YR.

And like Bruce Springsteen...Champs like us, Baby I was born to run. Rack me...I'm out.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Haha, Diesel...well done, clone.

Agree that the radio show is better than JRiB...the only thing worth watching is his opening burn, and that's basically a recap of what was on his radio show anyway. I live in central PA, so here EVERY sportstalk radio station is full of nationally syndicated stuff...back in DC, everything is local so you probably wouldn't get Rome there anymore.

As for Shanahan, he is what he is: a solid HC who is being undermined by his own crappy personnel decisions. Alan4 is so blinded by hate for MS, he can't even get off a compelling argument or resist trying to tear down the man's accomplishments. To me, his Denver days are Denver's problem...as Skins coach, it's hard to get a beat on Shanahan the HC when Shanahan the GM is killing him at every turn...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Do you think a new pattern has formed or is an average QB due to win soon?


Manning beat 17-0 Brady..does that qualify?

Rookie Ben Roethlisberger beat Matt Hassleback..does that qualify?

But for a late kick flash in the pan man Jake Delhomme beats Tom Terrific...does the qualify?

Again: a solid team led by an efficient manager is just as good as a team with a young charismatic gunslinger.

But who is the 'mediocre quarterback' in this season's tournament?:

Ryan--nope

Sanchez--maybe

Brady--dude is special

Rodgers--dude will soon be considered special

Flacco--nawwww

Roethlisberger--he's got his rings and a game-winning-time-off-the-clock touchdown pass for the ages

Cutler--average one game, special the next.

He's more like special ed.

So should we expect medicore types like Sanchez/Cutler to ride solid defense/running game/teams/coaching to victory next month...?

I dunno.

What about gunslingin' young'ns like Rogers/Flacco/Ryan rising to the occasion brought on by the superb teams they lead?

Naww...

In any event, the road to the Super Bowl is one where a new young elite passer will emerge or crash land.

You see, Tom Brady is the Joe's Barricade on that pot-hole strewn road.

And I'd say, the detour is the best route for all of them to take.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 12, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

it's hard to get a beat on Shanahan the HC when Shanahan the GM is killing him at every turn...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:31 AM

This part is so far unfortunatley true. The trade for DM5 goes on his resume with Delta O'neil, Willie Middlebrooks, Maurice Clarett, etc.

BUT..We've only read 20% of the book and I'm willing to give him 3 YRs. Hopefully this YR he can find a few Brandon Marshall's, Terrell Davis's, and Elvis Dumervil's in the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

We've only read 20% of the book and I'm willing to give him 3 YRs. Hopefully this YR he can find a few Brandon Marshall's, Terrell Davis's, and Elvis Dumervil's in the draft.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 7:49 AM


Agreed. That's why I can't get with the "fire Shanahan" crowd...just think what would have happened if the Pats did the same thing in the wake of Belichick's 5-11 opening act in NE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:59 AM | Report abuse

it's hard to get a beat on Shanahan the HC when Shanahan the GM is killing him at every turn...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:31 AM

This part is so far unfortunatley true. The trade for DM5 goes on his resume with Delta O'neil, Willie Middlebrooks, Maurice Clarett, etc.

BUT..We've only read 20% of the book and I'm willing to give him 3 YRs. Hopefully this YR he can find a few Brandon Marshall's, Terrell Davis's, and Elvis Dumervil's in the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 7:49 AM
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Well, let's be fair now. He hasn't struck out every time he's stepped into the batter's box. Yes, he flopped on McNabb, but that was really the only painful mistake. I'm encouraged by the play of guys like Brandon Banks, Ryan Torain, Keiland Williams, and Trent Williams (I would throw Armstrong in there but he came in before Shanahan). I'm intrigued by the potential of guys like Riley, Paulsen and Beck.

What's truly interesting - and this was true with Gibbs as well - is that the big name signings are the flops and the brown baggers are the ones who end up carrying the team. There were a lot of young inexperienced players in those last few games and I liked the way the team played as a unit. If you ask me, this is the strength of a veteran coach: being able to take chicken manure and make it into chicken salad. Maybe they need to be a little quicker on the trigger with the past their prime veterans and a little more ambitious on promoting the young guys...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Quick...name the last coach/GM who won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Not sure who, but I would assume some guys from both Denver and Houston may end up here next season due to their familiararity with the coaches and the system. Any ideas who?

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

In any event, the road to the Super Bowl is one where a new young elite passer will emerge or crash land.

You see, Tom Brady is the Joe's Barricade on that pot-hole strewn road.

And I'd say, the detour is the best route for all of them to take.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 12, 2011 7:48 AM
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Somewhere, in a dark room a billion miles away from any cameras or microphones, Rex Ryan has his defensive players in a top secret meeting where the only topic being discussed is how to break Brady's leg without making it look like a setup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Rookies braught in by Shanny how many real players do we have here.


16 Banks, Brandon WR 5-7 150 R Kansas State 12-21-1987
60 Capers, Selvish OT 6-4 308 R West Virginia 12-13-1985
58 Cook, Erik C/G 6-6 318 R New Mexico 07-05-1987
73 Joseph, Joe DL 6-2 315 R Miami 10-20-1985
39 McNeal, Shawnbrey RB 5-8 190 R SMU 10-17-1988
82 Paulsen, Logan TE 6-5 264 R UCLA 02-26-1987
56 Riley, Perry LB 6-0 238 R LSU 05-03-1988
32 Russell, Anderson S 6-0 205 R Ohio State 05-30-1987
35 Williams, Keiland RB 5-11 223 R LSU 08-14-1986
71 Williams, Trent OT 6-5 315 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988


Young guys braught in by Shanny what do we have here?


40 Brown, Andre RB 6-0 224 1 North Carolina State 12-15-1986
24 Davis, James RB 5-11 218 1 Clemson 01-01-1986
69 Duncan, Rashaad DL 6-2 315 1 Pittsburgh 12-10-1986
20 Harris, Macho S 6-0 200 1 Virginia Tech 02-16-1986
80 Johnson, Taurus WR 6-1 218 1 South Florida 04-13-1986
29 Jones, Reggie CB 6-0 193 1 Portland State 03-15-1986
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 Colorado State 09-09-1983
38 Rashad, Sha'reff S 6-0 198 1 Central Florida 10-06-1986
57 Sundberg, Nick LS 6-0 246 1 California 07-29-1987
36 Young, Darrel FB 5-11 245 1 Villanova 04-08-1987
3 Beck, John QB 6-2 215 3 Brigham Young 08-21-1981
76 Bryant, Anthony NT 6-3 376 3 Alabama 11-16-1981
1 Paulescu, Sam P 6-0 195 3 Oregon State 03-25-1987
83 Price, Maurice WR 6-1 197 3 Charleston Southern 09-11-1986
87 Williams, Roydell WR 6-0 178 3 Tulane 03-14-1981
72 Scott, Darrion DE 6-3 289 4 Ohio State 10-25-1981
85 Furrey, Mike WR 6-0 192 7 Northern Iowa 03-12-1977

Guys braught in by Shanny who saw major playing time. (Some names will be repeated)

8 Grossman, Rex QB 6-1 236 7 Florida 08-23-1980
77 Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 5 Oklahoma 03-30-1981
94 Carriker, Adam DE 6-6 311 3 Nebraska 05-06-1984
46 Torain, Ryan RB 6-1 212 1 Arizona State 08-10-1986
13 Armstrong, Anthony WR 5-11 182 1 West Texas A&M 03-29-1983
16 Banks, Brandon WR 5-7 150 R Kansas State 12-21-1987
35 Williams, Keiland RB 5-11 223 R LSU 08-14-1986
71 Williams, Trent OT 6-5 315 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988
76 Bryant, Anthony NT 6-3 376 3 Alabama 11-16-1981
91 Holliday, Vonnie DL 6-5 285 12 North Carolina 12-11-1975
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 290 2 Bowling Green 03-22-1985

We all know that the Mcnabb trade was horrible including Shanny so lets move beyond that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Quick...name the last coach/GM who won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 8:05 AM


Easy...no one.

RSH, I hear ya buddy...but I don't give Shanahan full credit on the likes of BB and Torain because he started the season with those guys on the p-squad. It's luck of the draw or grace of God (or whatever you wanna call it) that we didn't lose those guys to another team because Shanny felt better about the likes of Buchanon and Galloway and LJ at the start of the season.

So I believe he earned everything he got in Denver and that he's a top flight NFL coach...I just think the totality of his work as GM will undermine his efforts as HC.

Even still, pfunk is right about the GM/coach route...those a brutally difficult positions in and of themselves...trying to get one guy to do BOTH roles effectively is just asking waaay too much.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Correction Shanny did not bring in Armstrong but he was the first coach to give him a chance on the field so he gets the credit in my eyes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Quick...name the last coach/GM who won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 8:05 AM

BB has major say in personell if not final say.

But that is the only one I can think of.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Antonio Cromartie on Tom Brady: F— him, a–hole

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 12, 2011, 8:11 AM EST

While the Patriots are zipping it in advance of Sunday’s divisional playoff game, the Jets are continuing to take shots at Tom Brady. And now Jets cornerback Antonio Cromartie has taken those shots to the next level.

Cromartie was asked for his thoughts on Brady and offered a couple of seven-letter responses that we can’t reprint without resorting to hyphens.

“An ass—-,” Cromartie said, according to the New York Daily News. “—- him.”

Cromartie also chimed in on Brady pointing to the Jets’ sideline after throwing a fourth-quarter touchdown pass during the Patriots’ 45-3 win over the Jets.

“We see that a lot. He does it a lot,” Cromartie said. “That’s the kind of guy he is. We really don’t give a damn, to tell you the truth.”

We’ll see during the week if Brady has anything to say back to Cromartie, or if he’ll save his response for Sunday on the field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Not sure who, but I would assume some guys from both Denver and Houston may end up here next season due to their familiararity with the coaches and the system. Any ideas who?

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:06 AM
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I'd start with Denver's former right tackle, Ryan Harris. If the team decides to move away from J. Brown, Harris might be the replacement.

Even though he is past his prime, Champ Bailey is still effective. I'd rather the team go younger but this is one guy I would like to see come back to Washington.

Jacoby Jones is a free agent receiver from the Texans who has decent size.

Brady Quinn and Matt Leinart are backup QB's on both teams and I could see the team reaching out for one if they can get an incentive laden agreement. Personally, I think Quinn might have more upside, but Leinart was in the Houston offense that Washington now runs. If the Redskins decide to stay out of the QB race in the draft, I could see them making a play for one of these guys.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

You have to give him cradit for those guys even though he put them on the practice squad.

Teams don't mess with other teams practice squad players early in the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Co sign on Bailey RedSkinHead. He has said that he hates the turmoil in Denver and wants to move to safety. I'd take him here. He could retire a Skin. I was thinking some interior linemen from the zone blocking system we would look into from those teams. I'm sure they got an eye on some of those guys.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Quick...name the last coach/GM who won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 8:05 AM

BB has major say in personell if not final say.

But that is the only one I can think of.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:24 AM

We have a GM. His name is Bruce Allen and he's a GM as much as Pioli was in NE before he left and as much as Jerry Jones was when Jimmy Johnson took over in 1989.

Quick name the Pittsburg Steeler's GM?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Thanx for a rundown floud. Interesting list.

From the first two groups, I thought L.PAULSON, D.YOUNG, and A.BRYANT showed some potential. Of course T. WILLIAMS and BANKS were regulars all year. K. WILLIAMS was fair.

The RED SNAPPER was missed. SUNDBERG had some shakey moments.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Flound, regardless of whether it happens regularly, we'd rightfully be ripping Shanahan to shreds right now if BB were making house calls on punt returns for Dallas or if Torain were racking up yardage for the Saints. Considering their impact this year (and how well they did in preseason), it was insane to have them on the p-squad in favor of ancient relics. It worked out OK, so I don't harp on it...but Shanahan narrowly averted disaster by getting them on the active roster when he did.

On your point about Belichick (I assume that's who you were talking about, since Brandon Banks probably doesn't have final say on personnel here), I don't think it's a coincidence that the Pats haven't won a SB since Pioli left (or since Weis and Crennel left, for that matter). I know they look good this year, but they looked damn good in '07 too...until they sh*t the bed in the SB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

diesel44

We’ll see during the week if Brady has anything to say back to Cromartie, or if he’ll save his response for Sunday on the field.


The jets are playing with fire.

Firing up T Brady is sorta like teasing a pitbull with a bloody steak.

The jets beat Manning and a team with injuries, but I doubt they can go into Foxboro and beat a healthy Pats.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Quick...name the last coach/GM who won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 8:05 AM

I had a brain fart there are a few GM/coach to win SB's

Shanny had personell say in Denver when he won his two SB's

Vince Lomnardi

Jimmy Johnson

Don Shula

Bill Walsh

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Brady is going to light up the Jets they arn't good enough to be running there mouths.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Quick name the Pittsburg Steeler's GM?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 8:32 AM


Kevin Colbert. And he's one of the best.

Keep 'em coming. I love this game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

MACHO HARRIS should be waived out of the league. Even if given props because he was a TECH and local product, that guy was unhorrible.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 12, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Rex arm strength boggles the mind. Some throws seemed as though he had a wet noodle arm, then the TD throw to AA was a perfect toss and had some mustard on it. I wouldn't mind takin a shot on Leinart or Quinn. They would have to sit though. No way they start in 2011.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Colbert. And he's one of the best.

Keep 'em coming. I love this game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:40 AM |

Thats true,

But when Cowher was there he had major influence on Personell.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

You have to give him cradit for those guys even though he put them on the practice squad.

Teams don't mess with other teams practice squad players early in the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse
I agree, Flounder. Teams make a conscious effort to see who they can hide on the PS at the beginning of each year. Everyone does it, so for the most part other teams look to their own PS for replacements at beginning of year. BBanks, for instance, was so small, had no proven track record, just a couple of appearances in preseason in 2nd half against other scrubs. It was very doubtful anyone would cherry-pick him early on. After Shanny took a look at DT, he was cut and BB was brought up.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I know they look good this year, but they looked damn good in '07 too...until they sh*t the bed in the SB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:37 AM

Actually that probably should have been the biggest Superbowl blowout for Belichick and the Pats...4 points

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Colbert. And he's one of the best.

Keep 'em coming. I love this game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:40 AM

Good pull. An anonymous guy that does an excellent job each YR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 12, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I forgot Tom Landry GM/Coach

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

The jets are playing with fire.

Firing up T Brady is sorta like teasing a pitbull with a bloody steak.

The jets beat Manning and a team with injuries, but I doubt they can go into Foxboro and beat a healthy Pats.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 8:37 AM

Agreed...all I can see is Brady jumpin' up in Jets faces after he throws his 4th TD of the game. Think the Pittsburgh game a couple years back when that idiot backup safety of theirs guaranteed a win in NE...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I also forgot Chuck Knoll

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Quick name the Pittsburg Steeler's GM?


I can't.

But I know who packers' GM Ted Thompson is.

The packers hired Mike McCarthy--a great young coach if there ever was one--drafted Rodgers, jettisoned Favre, had already added Woodson, and have pulled no-names type receivers out of a hat that can play.

I thought Torain was a great unknownback until I saw that kid Starkes--dude is Torain with speed!

What's interesting about the packers is that they switched to a 3-4 AND drafted the players needed to make it work.

Nick Collins, BJ Raji, Treman Williams, AJ Hawk, and Clay Matthews are all young and fit their scheme.

Thompson's done a stellar job in Green Bay as has the stillers' GM--whoever he is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse


Co sign on Bailey RedSkinHead.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:31 AM |

no thanks on bailey guys, due to age and cost. let's move to youth for a change

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

hessone

no thanks on bailey guys, due to age and cost. let's move to youth for a change

Agreed.

But if CR22 is going to be allowed to walk and Kevin Barnes converted to FS, that means additional cornerback help must come from somewhere.

We could use a mix of FAs in the secondery at the FS, SS spots, too.

But should Champ comeback?

Nawwwwww.....

Get younger.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

As for Shanahan, he is what he is: a solid HC who is being undermined by his own crappy personnel decisions. Alan4 is so blinded by hate for MS, he can't even get off a compelling argument or resist trying to tear down the man's accomplishments.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 7:31 AM

I don't hate Shanahan, he is what he is: an up and down coach who has been more down than up since Elway retired in 1998. He's not bad, but he's not an elite coach anymore.

I've expressed that a million different ways, but there are a few people here who prompt me to defend my opinion over and over again, so it seems like I hate him.

And Brownie, I remember having this exact same conversation with you about McNabb looong ago, when I told you he wasn't up to snuff anymore. You had a lot of choice names for me then, ITA, etc.

I call it like I see it, too bad if that offends some of you.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Moe, how do you praise Ted Thompson for getting an older CB like Woodson and then say "get younger" when asked about bringing Champ back to DC?

Older doesn't always mean better...plus getting younger and signing an older but obviously effective player isn't an either/or proposition. Your outline of what GB did right is proof of that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26

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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Remember people: what works in one place might not work in another.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I call it like I see it, too bad if that offends some of you.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 9:08 AM

You offend me with all of your facts and stats to back up your points.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Co sign on Bailey RedSkinHead. He has said that he hates the turmoil in Denver and wants to move to safety. I'd take him here. He could retire a Skin. I was thinking some interior linemen from the zone blocking system we would look into from those teams. I'm sure they got an eye on some of those guys.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:31 AM
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Had not heard that Bailey wanted to move to safety but having him at free with Landry at strong sure sounds like a beastly tandem to me. Like I said, I think the team needs to get younger but Bailey's age will force down the salary he is offered and I think he would like to play for Shanahan again.

I say the Redskins would go after Denver's right tackle because he could anchor right tackle, and if they re-sign Brown, they could move him inside where his gimpy hip would be less of a liability. Offensive tackles are the most versatile offensive linemen because of their athleticism and I don't think a team can enter the season with too many quality tackles - even if they have to play a little guard, or center.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Alan, no need in rehashing arguments we've had in the past (and will probably have again in the future), but I will say that I'm not sold on the notion that "McNabb isn't up to snuff anymore"...put him on a team with a ground game and some weapons, and I'll bet he's right back to his Philly form. Asking dude to be Peyton Manning when that's not his game set him back more than any talk of him "being done"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Rex arm strength boggles the mind. Some throws seemed as though he had a wet noodle arm, then the TD throw to AA was a perfect toss and had some mustard on it.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 8:42 AM

Many of the wet noodle instances were occasions where the pocket was collapsing right in front of him and he couldn't step into the throw. Of course, McNabb had to deal with it too.
Rex doesn't have a big arm by NFL standards, but he can make the throws. His biggest problems are consistency and pocket awareness.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

brown,

agree that a HC has enough on his plate just being the HC.
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KC's todd haley has one of the best GM's in scot pioli to handle personel.

KC went a step further by signing a DC and an OC that were former HC's, romeo crennel and charlie weis, hence, giving haley even more time to focus on the HC duties.

that brings us to shanahan and whether he has "to much on his plate".

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Remember people: what works in one place might not work in another.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:16 AM


I guess we just shouldn't ever sign another FA or draft another player since there's a chance it won't work out...

Bailey is a proven player who's showed no signs of slowing down. He's expressed a willingness to move to safety if there's any drop off in his game as a CB. He's played for this coach before and for this team. I'll wait for the part where any of that is a bad thing...

Nobody's saying "park a Brink's truck in his driveway to get him in burgundy and gold" or that he's a sure thing or a stone cold lead pipe lock to be a perennial Pro-Bowler here. But who is?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

not a fan of winter right now...do with that what you will....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I guess we just shouldn't ever sign another FA or draft another player since there's a chance it won't work out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:29 AM |
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brown, your comments above are childish.

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Bailey is a proven player who's showed no signs of slowing down.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:29 AM |
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same way of thinking that got us into this last place mess to begin with

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on that Greg...I'm in PA and got about 4 inches. How bad did you guys get hit?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I'm lookin at palm trees, green grass, clear skies, and a light sweater day.

I might ride my bike after work today.

Then, rake the flower beds.

I go to the mailbox barefoot in a t-shirt and shorts.

The lawn needs fertilizing, and the car washed--I'll do that Saturday.

And like you, I hate the winter, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I moved from Oakland, CA to LA last year (not that LA... I'm talking Lower Alabama).

We're just digging ourselves out, and I'm missing Cali big time right now.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

What RB if any would be worth the 10th pick? Probably none, but wouldn't it be nice to join the ranks of teams that have a homerun hitter at tailback. Torain had a few long runs but caught from behind. Shanny may take a flier on a RB later in the draft. He seems to find sleepers late. Linebacker or DL in round 1 seems to be the consensus so that sounds fine to me as we need to address both.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 12, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

not a fan of winter right now

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2011 9:32 AM

Weren't you cheering the storm on yesterday greg...what happened?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

The flip side of Moe's mocking those of us who have winter weather to deal with is that mid-August in South Florida feels like somebody is trying to broil you for dinner all day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse


And like you, I hate the winter, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:45 AM |
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in warrenton, VA

the kids have no school today because we got an inch of snow. AN INCH OF SNOW FOLKS.

now I don't want to come off like my old man, but I can remember going to school with more than an inch of snow on the ground

greg,

you folks up north can handle snow better than folks in the washington area, including all the transients that come from places like FLORIDA, where some folks are in barefeet and t-shirts.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Bailey is a proven player who's showed no signs of slowing down.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:29 AM |
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same way of thinking that got us into this last place mess to begin with


Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

moe, may you have screaming diarreah the remainder of the day....and while this is happening, may you be MILES from a rest room....

brown, we've got probably a foot on the ground, and this storm stretch's all the way back to syracuse, ny, so its gonna be a long day...oh well...nothing you can do about the weather...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

MColeman51


I got artic air conditioning, son, and a three car garage.

The only time I go outside is when I'm high.

Which is why I'm so tanned in the summer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The flip side of Moe's mocking those of us who have winter weather to deal with is that mid-August in South Florida feels like somebody is trying to broil you for dinner all day.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 9:51 AM


Amen to that...I used to live in FL and I can say with all confidence that it's the most overrated state in the U.S. of A. Summers are oppressively hot and the insects are probably genetically altered lab experiments. I'll happily take the DMV area...bad winters and all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

brownwood/mccoleman51

There is no perfect place to live in America as each state has some kind of bad weather issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse


ih8

hess, you still beating the drum for alex smith ? isn't he injury prone ? if he's on the cheap and shanahan likes him, he could be one of the two QB's we need to sign for training camp.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on that Greg...I'm in PA and got about 4 inches. How bad did you guys get hit?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Got about 4 inches? I wouldn't brag about that brownwood.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:01 AM

True enough. Enjoy the pretty January weather Moe and watch out for killer bees and gators.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

same way of thinking that got us into this last place mess to begin with


Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 9:55 AM

Dude, don't co-sign the simpleton...MISUSE of FA is what hurt the Skins, not FA itself. It doesn't matter if we get FAs or draft picks...if the FO structure isn't fixed and fixed PROPERLY, then it's never gonna work no matter what.

Go back and look at the Redskins' FA busts...none of 'em played in the schemes in place or for the coaches that were here. They were here for the money. It's no coincidence that Fletcher is the best FA signing of the decade...he's the only guy that played for any of the coaches or in any of the schemes that were run when he signed.

Whether you like the idea of Champ coming back here or not, he's played for Shanahan in the past and he fits the bill for ANY scheme (as most great cover CBs do). You don't sign him at all costs, but that's not a bad signing if you can pull it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What would the perfect OLB to complement Orakpo look like? Who is a player to compare this perfect imaginary player to?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Re: The GM/coach question

My point is that it's not a recipe for success.

Bill Belichik had a very strong personnel guy in Pioli for many years. Otherwise we are reaching back to the early 90's w/ Jimmy Johnson to find the last real success story of head coach with something equivalent to GM power.

I don't know who Shanny's personnel people are, but Bruce Allen isn't one of them. By all accounts Allen is a glad-hander who excels at babysitting owners and managing the cap/contracts.

I think Shanny is a fine coach, as a personnel guy he's suspect. As both, I think it's too much to focus on unless you've got strong people around you who know how to do their job and yours.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

ih8

hess, you still beating the drum for alex smith ? isn't he injury prone ? if he's on the cheap and shanahan likes him, he could be one of the two QB's we need to sign for training camp.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm still beating the Alex Smith drum, and you're not a simpleton Hess.

They don't realize Hess is a distinguished name. Don't pay attention to the haters.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Enjoy the pretty January weather Moe and watch out for killer bees and gators.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 12, 2011 10:05 AM

Somebody please tell me that the Stinkbug Invasion of 2010 is a once in a lifetime thing...those little f*ckers are still hanging around somehow!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse


same way of thinking that got us into this last place mess to begin with


Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 9:55 AM


Dude, don't co-sign the simpleton...

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one things for sure, brownwood likes to tell folks what they should and shouldn't do on an internet board.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

hessone

the kids have no school today because we got an inch of snow. AN INCH OF SNOW FOLKS.


Kids today are as soft as baby poop.

And it's our own fault.

We never hit them or make them do chores without feeling guilty.

My dad used to practice hitting me upside the head by swatting volleyballs with his open right hand.

I never touch my kids as they all have better lawyers than I do.

My kids own every electronic device known to mankind and think work is something poor people do for fun.

My oldest didn't want the 2007 Honda Accord we got her because it was used.

My middle daughter has a cell phone she uses for calling and a blackberry just for texting her friends.

And she doesn't have any.

My 9 year old thinks home is where you're at when you're not at Disney.

They laugh at me when I ride a bike or decide to take a walk.

"That's so old school," they holla. "Next thing, you'll tell us to go to the beach to see the ocean when everybody knows you can google pictures of it."

They point out that if I can use the internet for sex, they can use it to understand nature.

We spoil our kids and never blame ourselves for it.

At least I do.

Perhaps I'm the one who's as soft as baby poop.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

KC went a step further by signing a DC and an OC that were former HC's, romeo crennel and charlie weis, hence, giving haley even more time to focus on the HC duties.

that brings us to shanahan and whether he has "to much on his plate".

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:27 AM |

They already lost Weis why would a OC in the pros who is happy go back to college to be an OC.

Todd haley has already said he will call plays next year, I see the KC thing taking a nose dive even though they play in a weak division.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse


same way of thinking that got us into this last place mess to begin with


Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign hess

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 9:55 AM


Dude, don't co-sign the simpleton...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 10:06 AM |

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one things for sure, brownwood likes to tell folks what they should and shouldn't do on an internet board.

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse


I'm still beating the Alex Smith drum, and you're not a simpleton Hess.

They don't realize Hess is a distinguished name. Don't pay attention to the haters.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:11 AM |
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thanks ih8. you are a breath of fresh air on this board, don't change a thing about yourself.

so let me guess, 11-5 next year brother ?

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

thanks ih8. you are a breath of fresh air on this board, don't change a thing about yourself.

so let me guess, 11-5 next year brother ?

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

11-5 every year. If I dream it I can do it.
When there's a will there's a way.

Plus if I predict it every year, it will eventually happen and I'll look like a genius.

At which point I'll make some of my vinegar-based NC crow BBQ. That comes with coleslaw BTW.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

you are a breath of fresh air on this board

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:20 AM

Didn't you say the same thing about poopy?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Nothing says that this thread doesn't have the power, no, the DUTY, to exceed 650 posts. Come on people, let post the heck out of this thing!

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Amen to that...I used to live in FL and I can say with all confidence that it's the most overrated state in the U.S. of A. Summers are oppressively hot and the insects are probably genetically altered lab experiments. I'll happily take the DMV area...bad winters and all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 9:57 AM |

I've lived in Savannah and Atlanta, GA, multiple locations in Virginia, Ohio, Boston, Mass., a couple places in Cow Hampshire, San Diego Cal., and now South OC, Cali. I prefer here to them all. At some point I will probably move into the mountains of Tennessee when I retire. This place has the best weather on earth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse


At which point I'll make some of my vinegar-based NC crow BBQ. That comes with coleslaw BTW.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:24 AM |
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you can find memphis, KC BBQ anywhere. NC BBQ is another story.

dude, I got the taste buds if you got the NC BBQ !

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I love living in the South, except this winter is especially cold.

Bring the heat!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been quietly thinking this for some time. I even posted it yesterday but no one picked up on it.

Smith has arm strength, a good release, he's big, and his coaches all say he has near genius football acumen.

I think his lack of success is more of a product of a bad team, coupled with bad to very bad coaching. Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary?

He's got to be an upgrade from Rex?

Let him compete, and if he wins let me work for 2-3 years while we develop a young QB of choice. Barkley in 2012!

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

you can find memphis, KC BBQ anywhere. NC BBQ is another story.

dude, I got the taste buds if you got the NC BBQ !

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

It really is the best. Not even a contest.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse


I've lived in Savannah and Atlanta, GA, multiple locations in Virginia, Ohio, Boston, Mass., a couple places in Cow Hampshire, San Diego Cal., and now South OC, Cali. I prefer here to them all. At some point I will probably move into the mountains of Tennessee when I retire. This place has the best weather on earth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 10:28 AM |
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are you close to san diego scamp ? I hear they have idea weather most of the year

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Plus if I predict it every year, it will eventually happen and I'll look like a genius.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:24 AM

Yeah...I tried that too with my weekly predictions...you would think it would hit eventually...so much for PlayAction the Genius.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
One thing about Gibbs, he was always humble enough to self-reflect and change what he was doing when it wasn't working. When his offense wasn't scoring, he hired Al Saunders and let him take over as the primary play caller... I always thought that was an amazing show of humility for a man whose HOF reputation was built on his own offensive innovation.
I can't think of any marquee name coaches today who would willingly acknowledge their own weaknesses like that, and voluntarily hand off a bit of power to someone else. That's probably why Vinny had to leave for Marty and Shanahan, but Gibbs was OK with him staying.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse


Yeah...I tried that too with my weekly predictions...you would think it would hit eventually...so much for PlayAction the Genius.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM |
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GB 24
ATL 20

and you can cook it

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...I tried that too with my weekly predictions...you would think it would hit eventually...so much for PlayAction the Genius.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Next year we have 11 victories.

All with final scores of 24-20.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Next year we have 11 victories.

All with final scores of 24-20.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:37 AM

Nice!

No playoff victories iH8? That doesn't sound like you!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been quietly thinking this for some time. I even posted it yesterday but no one picked up on it.

Smith has arm strength, a good release, he's big, and his coaches all say he has near genius football acumen.

I think his lack of success is more of a product of a bad team, coupled with bad to very bad coaching. Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary?

He's got to be an upgrade from Rex?

Let him compete, and if he wins let me work for 2-3 years while we develop a young QB of choice. Barkley in 2012!

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Plus he's still young.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone

dude, I got the taste buds if you got the NC BBQ !

I'm in a rib cook off against 40 dudes in two weeks, and let me brag: I gots the ribs for ya' bro'.

I soak hickory wood for a couple of days.

I place the soaked wood at the bottom of my grill and fire the charcoal up on top of it.

I let the fire die down, them put my meat (babybacks, spare ribs) on: as the wood dries, it smokes the lightly seasoned meat (some salt, red pepper).

I cook the meat off to the side--not on the heat--so it gets a fair amount of smoke in it and cooks slowly.

There is nothing special about grillin' barbeque, steak, chicken, chops, veggies, and fish.

You just have to be patience about cooking it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I have ties down south as well...not that bad a place to live if you like peace and quiet. I've lived all up and down the East Coast and I can honestly say I love the DC area more than anywhere else when you take everything into account.

Ugh...somebody on ESPN saying Cam Newton is a "prototypical Shanahan QB". Seems like last year McNabb was too...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Next year we have 11 victories.

All with final scores of 24-20.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:37 AM

Nice!

No playoff victories iH8? That doesn't sound like you!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

That was just regular season.

3-0 in the playoffs next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
One thing about Gibbs, he was always humble enough to self-reflect and change what he was doing when it wasn't working. When his offense wasn't scoring, he hired Al Saunders and let him take over as the primary play caller... I always thought that was an amazing show of humility for a man whose HOF reputation was built on his own offensive innovation.
I can't think of any marquee name coaches today who would willingly acknowledge their own weaknesses like that, and voluntarily hand off a bit of power to someone else. That's probably why Vinny had to leave for Marty and Shanahan, but Gibbs was OK with him staying.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 10:34 AM |

Then he never fully trusted Al and took over play calling in the red zone wich caused great confusion and led to many penalties and the scoring never got better.

You think Gibbs letting Vinny stay was a good thing, that was one of the worst mistakes he made.

Gibbs had the clout with Snyder to get rid of Vinny and hire a GM to run the personell, but he chose to do it himself and made many major mistakes.

Gibbs is a great coach and I love him for what he did for my Skins, but Gibbs 2.0 should have been much better then it was.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

and you can cook it

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:37 AM

Ha...nice try hess...already picked all of the home teams to win this weekend 24 - 20.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,
One thing about Gibbs, he was always humble enough to self-reflect and change what he was doing when it wasn't working. When his offense wasn't scoring, he hired Al Saunders and let him take over as the primary play caller... I always thought that was an amazing show of humility for a man whose HOF reputation was built on his own offensive innovation.
I can't think of any marquee name coaches today who would willingly acknowledge their own weaknesses like that, and voluntarily hand off a bit of power to someone else. That's probably why Vinny had to leave for Marty and Shanahan, but Gibbs was OK with him staying.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse


Gibbs 2.0 had something close to GM power. We'll never really know what the FO arrangement was like.

I think Gibbs 2.0 is a limited success story of a coach with GM-like power.

It was successful when you consider that he went to the playoffs 2/4 years in the context of where the Skins franchise had been and having to deal with Snerratto.

He did a good job putting together a strong Oline/running game, and adding a QB for the future.

It was successful in that he was also laying a foundation for the culture with the coaching staff. Between Grilliams and Saunders he was putting proven football people in place to take over after him.

It was "limited" in that there were alot of personnel snafus and bad contracts during that time.

It was also "limited" in that Cerratto decided to blow up everything that had been put together once Gibbs bowed out.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has learned one thing and one thing only - he's more profitable than any other team in the NFL and always will be as long as he own the Redskins.

Everything else is pure conjecture, fluff and PR.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse


You just have to be patience about cooking it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM |
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that's almost true with everything we cook, not all though. I like to do whole chickens on the grill, with non-direct heat. my neighboor suggested cooking the chickens upside down and let gravity do its thing with the fat in the bird. we're talking succulent white meat here

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse


I've lived in Savannah and Atlanta, GA, multiple locations in Virginia, Ohio, Boston, Mass., a couple places in Cow Hampshire, San Diego Cal., and now South OC, Cali. I prefer here to them all. At some point I will probably move into the mountains of Tennessee when I retire. This place has the best weather on earth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 10:28 AM |
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are you close to san diego scamp ? I hear they have idea weather most of the year

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM
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I lived in Southern California for two years. I now live in Syracuse, New York where we've gotten over 80 inches of snow this winter. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I prefer it over Cali. Winter, in my opinion, means playing in the snow: not sipping Mai Tai's in the beer garden. Again, that's just me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Frankly I think an Alex Smith salvage project is more Shanny-esque than drafting/grooming a QB.

The only time he drafted/groomed a guy was Jay Cutler.

Otherwise he used a carousel of veterans - Elway, Griese, Plummer.

Even this year, they went with McNabb, Grossman, Beck.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

you can find memphis, KC BBQ anywhere. NC BBQ is another story.

dude, I got the taste buds if you got the NC BBQ !

Hatterasman down in the village has some good stuff.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 12, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

from the nytimes:

Auburn cannot lock the crystal championship trophy in a case until the N.C.A.A. finishes the Cam Newton investigation.

Isn't it amazing how the outcome of that investigation will come just after the last championship DVD is sold, Cam Newton jersey purchased, and Auburn Tiger #2 Cam paraphenalia has been sold?

Watch: Newton will declare for the NFL, and the NCAA will suddenly find him guilty of trying to do what it does on the regular--

Get paid.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse


Hatterasman down in the village has some good stuff.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 12, 2011 10:51 AM |
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you have a town and state for that wm65 ?

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse


MistaMoe

hows about some info on your cook-off. I like to migrate to those events

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

hessone

I like to do whole chickens on the grill, with non-direct heat.


Rubbin' the chicken down with olive oil and setting off the heat should always good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

you have a town and state for that wm65 ?

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:55 AM

Cape Hatteras, North Carolina. Me and wirewoman have a house up in Frisco, a little village just up the road from Hatteras. No snow there but it's cold right now. Heading down this weekend, should be in the mid 50's Sunday.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 12, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Flounder21,

Gibbs 2.0 was not perfect. But you must admit, he was willing to try new things.

I'm not saying Gibbs "letting" Vinny stay was a good thing. I'm saying Gibbs, in his humility, seems like the type of guy who probably thought that was a decision that should have been made by the owner, and not the coach.

Gibbs surely could have acquired as much power as he wanted, and I'm sure Snyder would have granted it. The fact that he didn't demand all that power is where he differs from other marquee names out there. He delegated a lot.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

There's nothing like NC BBQ pulled straight from the grill at a pig pickin'. But if you can't find (or aren't near) a good NC BBQ joint, let me suggest you try Gwaltney's NC BBQ. You can find it in the meat aisle (near the bacon, sausage, hot dogs) at your grocer. It's a surprisingly damn good substitute.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 12, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

p1,

You can't say that you don't know who had final say in the Gibbs years but then say that Shanny is all powerfull and Allen does nothing.

You have no idea whats going on a Redskins park then or now, and neither do any of us.

I know one thing that is 100 times better now then it was before the contracts are being written to benefit the team not the player.

If I had to guess how the structure works now I would say Shanny has full control over picking players and Allen does the contracts.

If I had to guess how it was when Gibbs was here I would say Gibbs had full say over the roster and left the contracts up to Vinny and Dan. He also might have thrown a bone to Dan once in a while to get a player Dan wanted.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

With our limited draft picks and the prospects available I hope this is the way we go. We round up all the most recent bust and go into camp with Alex Smith, Jewalrus Russel, Rex Grossman, and John Beck.

I see this team as rebuilding and that starts in the trenches.

I'm hoping the draft goes:

R1 Marcell Dareus
R2 Stefen Wyznewski
R3 Jerral Powe (in magic fairy land we aquire this pick for AH92)

We should be able to fill some holes through FA. I see alot of LBs and some decent WRs and CBs.

Maybe BMW or MK12 comes back from the dead?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 12, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

He delegated a lot.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse


Which is a key hallmark of good leadership - picking the right people to delegate to and then actually delegating to them.

Which is why an ego-maniac like Snyder who surrounds himself with "yes-men" and needs to have his hands in all the decisions is a poor leader.

Which is also why I have my qualms about another ego-maniac in the building that was recently hired...

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher said he hoped the team would acquire “the right guys” that would adhere to the new culture at Redskins Park and play within the offensive and defensive schemes.

“You have to bring in guys who are going to fit what we are trying to do as a team, buy into what we want to do and help us get to where we want to be,” he said.

It's a good sign the coach has the locker room when you most important player buys in.

Posted by: rodskin | January 12, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

are you close to san diego scamp ? I hear they have idea weather most of the year

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 10:33 AM

An hour north.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse


I like to do whole chickens on the grill, with non-direct heat.


Rubbin' the chicken down with olive oil and setting off the heat should always good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 11:01 AM |
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moe,

again, flip the bird upside down when you put it on the grill and see if you think the white meat is more tender and juicy.

Mmmmm, tender and juicy, just had a thought

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I lived in Southern California for two years. I now live in Syracuse, New York where we've gotten over 80 inches of snow this winter. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I prefer it over Cali. Winter, in my opinion, means playing in the snow: not sipping Mai Tai's in the beer garden. Again, that's just me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 12, 2011 10:49 AM | Report

I hear ya RSH. I've lived in quite a bit of snow over the years. Playing in it's great. Everyday life, however, in the snow becomes tedious and cumbersome (IMO). Plus, if I want snow, it's only an hour or 2 away at any given time. The great thing about my location is that the foothilss back right up to the ocean. Elevation and snow is but a short jaunt up the road.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

3-0 in the playoffs next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:43 AM

That's more like it.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I would still like to bring Alex Smith into training camp. He will probably be released and won't cost anything.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 11, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been quietly thinking this for some time. I even posted it yesterday but no one picked up on it.

Smith has arm strength, a good release, he's big, and his coaches all say he has near genius football acumen.

I think his lack of success is more of a product of a bad team, coupled with bad to very bad coaching. Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary?

He's got to be an upgrade from Rex?

Let him compete, and if he wins let me work for 2-3 years while we develop a young QB of choice. Barkley in 2012!

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Plus he's still young.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 12, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yep, which means he can still learn a new system and proper mechanics for that system if he doesn't already have them.

He's not an old dog that can't learn new tricks ala McNutz.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Well, since I fished yesterday I guess I'll work today. Boo work (although I like my work, it's still work.)

Peace

HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

p1,

You can't say that you don't know who had final say in the Gibbs years but then say that Shanny is all powerfull and Allen does nothing.

You have no idea whats going on a Redskins park then or now, and neither do any of us.

I know one thing that is 100 times better now then it was before the contracts are being written to benefit the team not the player.

If I had to guess how the structure works now I would say Shanny has full control over picking players and Allen does the contracts.

If I had to guess how it was when Gibbs was here I would say Gibbs had full say over the roster and left the contracts up to Vinny and Dan. He also might have thrown a bone to Dan once in a while to get a player Dan wanted.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse


We know that Shanahan picked Bruce Allen; if you want to cast that off as rumor, go ahead, but the reports about the hiring arrangement seemed pretty clear about that short of Shanny flat-out saying "I told them to go get Bruce".

Shanahan is the guy getting up and talking about the AH and DMac decisions. Snyder said publicly that Shanny "Speaks for all of us."

We don't know what the FO arrangement was under Gibbs 2.0 b/c Vinny was there before Gibbs and Gibbs always said publicly that the decisions are made "together" between himself, Vinny and Dan.

Vinny was the player personnel guy in that arrangement and that organization, so to say that Gibbs had full roster control and Vinny simply managed cap/contracts seems to run amouk of (1) the thing that Vinny had done in football his whole career and (2) his title.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

He delegated a lot.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse


Which is a key hallmark of good leadership - picking the right people to delegate to and then actually delegating to them.

Which is why an ego-maniac like Snyder who surrounds himself with "yes-men" and needs to have his hands in all the decisions is a poor leader.

Which is also why I have my qualms about another ego-maniac in the building that was recently hired...

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:08 AM |

I'm curious what did he delegate?

Did he delegate personell choices to Vinny, thats terrible if he did.

He sure didn't delegate the offense to Al Saunders.

He delegated the defense to Greg Williams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

He's not an old dog that can't learn new tricks ala McNutz.

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd be wary of Alex Smith.

He's got the Jason Campbell '5 coaches in 5 years' issues.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 12, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

scamp,

Where in NH?? I have property in Henniker.

What fish species did you go after yesterday??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

moe,

again, flip the bird upside down when you put it on the grill and see if you think the white meat is more tender and juicy.

Mmmmm, tender and juicy, just had a thought

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 11:15 AM

You talking to Moe and you're trying to convince him that white meat is "more tender and juicy." I've read enough of his posts to know that you're not sellin' Moe no white meat. chicken or otherwise.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 12, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Before I jump on the Alex Smith wagon ... or start throwing tacks under the wheels, I request more information.

How tall is he?

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

scamp,

Where in NH?? I have property in Henniker.

What fish species did you go after yesterday??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 12, 2011 11:24 AM

Derry, New Hampshire.

I was surf fishing yesterday because it was a beautiful day for the beach. Caught a bucketload of Barred Surf Perch and a few Croakers. 1 Halibut.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 12, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Vinny was the player personnel guy in that arrangement and that organization, so to say that Gibbs had full roster control and Vinny simply managed cap/contracts seems to run amouk of (1) the thing that Vinny had done in football his whole career and (2) his title.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM |

Gibbs was the President of the Org. and had full control whether he used it or not is a different question.

Gibbs was braught in to fix the many mistakes they had made in the past, that would lead a rational person who can see beyond Gibbs 1.0 that he had complete say.

No coach before or after will ever have as much clout with Snyder as Gibbs did, he could have used that to put in place what this team needed for the future.

Don't give me Greg Williams either, first off Greg and Al would have never gotten along and if you think Shanny has an ego Greg is right there with him. How many head coaching jobs has Greg got since he left here?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Snyder has learned one thing and one thing only - ...

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 12, 2011 10:47 AM

The one learned thing he does not have is learnedhand.

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm very happy that I happened to stumble across the Posts three new blogs today --

Cooking Insider
Fishing Insider
Weather Insider

Three topics that I certainly would like to know more about...and currently more interesting than our Redskins!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:08 AM |

I'm curious what did he delegate?

Did he delegate personell choices to Vinny, thats terrible if he did.

He sure didn't delegate the offense to Al Saunders.

He delegated the defense to Greg Williams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse


He apparently didn't get to pick his personnel guy.

Yes, he did delegate the offense to Al Saunders.

Yes, he did delegate the defense to Greg Williams and was grooming him as coach-to-be.

People mocked him for naming several assistant/associate head coaches (like Buges), but he put these guys in place so that he could also be able to focus on his FO duties as Team President.

He had the organization setup so that it didn't have to miss a beat once he stepped aside (at least from a coaching POV) - something that good leaders do.


Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Cooking Insider
Fishing Insider
Weather Insider

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:33 AM

Don't forget Soft as Baby Poop Insider

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Before I jump on the Alex Smith wagon ... or start throwing tacks under the wheels, I request more information.

How tall is he?

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

He's 6-4 & 217lbs according to NFL.com

I'd say that's a good size for a QB

Posted by: Devo2 | January 12, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious what did he delegate?

Did he delegate personell choices to Vinny, thats terrible if he did.

He sure didn't delegate the offense to Al Saunders.

He delegated the defense to Greg Williams.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:20 AM


1. His public statements were that personell decisions were made jointly with himself, Vinny and Dan.

2. It can be fairly debated how MUCH control he gave Saunders. Ultimately, you have no idea how much control Saunders was given, and neither do any of us. What we do know is Gibbs hired him to modernize the offense and call the plays.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Non-shanahan sucking Beeps.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget Soft as Baby Poop Insider

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 11:37 AM

Haha...that was covered under Weather Insider I thought.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 12, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

He apparently didn't get to pick his personnel guy.

Yes, he did delegate the offense to Al Saunders.

Yes, he did delegate the defense to Greg Williams and was grooming him as coach-to-be.

People mocked him for naming several assistant/associate head coaches (like Buges), but he put these guys in place so that he could also be able to focus on his FO duties as Team President.

He had the organization setup so that it didn't have to miss a beat once he stepped aside (at least from a coaching POV) - something that good leaders do.

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:35 AM |

He chose not to pick his personell guy, do you really think that if he told Snyder Vinny is out and I'm bringing in my own guy that Snyder would have said no.

He in no way shape or form delegated the offense to Al Saunders did you not watch the games or hear what was being said.

He took over play calling in the red zone he also took it over in crucial parts of the game.

If he didn't have say over the roster why did he need time for his FO duties according to you he had none.

He left the team setup in the coaching area give me a break Greg Williams is such a great HC candidate that he has had no interviews since he left here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse


beeps peeps, playoff match-ups

Posted by: hessone | January 12, 2011 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams turned down an interview with Denver this week.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 12, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Here's my surprising take:

It's not good enough that Snyder tried hard with the best intentions. He failed, failed miserably, wrecked a once-proud franchise in the process and should never be allowed (for the fan$ sake) anywhere near another football decision for as long as he should remain owner of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 12, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Most good coaches are control freaks and we don't hire them cause they are nice like Zorn. People respect Belicheck because he produces, they wouldn't describe him as nice. As soon as Belicheck stops producing he will be labled a control freak, who doesn't delegate, mean, etc. But right now he's great.

When Shanny produces a winning season, all else will be forgotten.

Posted by: rodskin | January 12, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

moe

I see you mentioned the thought of mcnabb starting

I think there's a solid chance that happens unless we get offered a 4th for him.

Think about it, hell be in the second yr of the offense, so that was rex this yr, so he shouldn't get benched in the 2 mins.

He also had an extended rest period via the last 3 weeks off to heal up

Who knows maybe a healthier "mcsabb" as I've seen him called, will be a much improved player

Also some help on o line n d line could improve this teams overal play

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 11:46 AM | Report abuse

moe

I see you mentioned the thought of mcnabb starting

I think there's a solid chance that happens unless we get offered a 4th for him.

Think about it, hell be in the second yr of the offense, so that was rex this yr, so he shouldn't get benched in the 2 mins.

He also had an extended rest period via the last 3 weeks off to heal up

Who knows maybe a healthier "mcsabb" as I've seen him called, will be a much improved player

Also some help on o line n d line could improve this teams overal play

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs was the President of the Org. and had full control whether he used it or not is a different question.

Gibbs was braught in to fix the many mistakes they had made in the past, that would lead a rational person who can see beyond Gibbs 1.0 that he had complete say.

No coach before or after will ever have as much clout with Snyder as Gibbs did, he could have used that to put in place what this team needed for the future.

Don't give me Greg Williams either, first off Greg and Al would have never gotten along and if you think Shanny has an ego Greg is right there with him. How many head coaching jobs has Greg got since he left here?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 12, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse


Joe Gibbs is not the owner of the team. To say he had full control of the organization is just ludicrous especially considering how much we know that Snyder had his hands in things.

Yeah, if Gibbs wanted to, I'm sure he could have had WWIII with Danny over Cerratto a-la Marty Schottenheimer. He didn't. That's different from saying that Gibbs didn't do his job and delegate responsibilities.

To thank that Gibbs was given full control over whether to retain or fire or promote Cerratto is just silly considering what we know about Snyder and Cerratto's relationship. And I don't ever recall even hearing a rumor that Gibbs had that kind of authority.

Bruce Allen has the "GM" title. Do you really think he has the power to fire Mike Shanahan tommorrow if he wanted to? To say that Gibbs had pwoer to do whatever he wanted b/c he held the title of "Team President" is also silly.

I'm not sure what your point is regarding Gregg Williams. Gibbs had him in place as the coach-to-be; you may not like Gregg Williams, but that's irrelevant to the point.

And yes, Grilliams has been sought after as a HC. Word was that he could have had the Houston job, but he stayed on with the Skins b/c he was expecting to land the gig. Recently he turned down an interview with Denver to be HC.

Lots of coaches have egos. Grilliams has an ego. Of course Grilliams wasn't going to be given any orgnaizational control - it's not like he was being groomed to be Team President...so again, what is your point?

Posted by: p1funk | January 12, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Gibbs "letting" Vinny stay was a good thing. I'm saying Gibbs, in his humility, seems like the type of guy who probably thought that was a decision that should have been made by the owner, and not the coach.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 12, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Then Joe Jackson Gibbs failed the Washington Redskins. There's no other way to look at it.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 12, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hessone

The cook off is a small affair sponsored by the wife's sorority.

It's a scholarship fundraiser.

My wife spends a ton of her time helping poor and deserving kids get into college.

It's not worth the trip.

But there is a very well-attended chili cookoff here in Palm Beach County later in the year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 12, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

are you close to san diego scamp ? I hear they have idea weather most of the year

Posted by: hessone

Santa Barbara, CA. In addition to being one of the best small cities in America--if least affordable--it boasts Mediterranean Climate, one of four areas in the world to do so.

But come on kids. When you DON'T have to go out, be somewhere, or worry about someone getting to you, what better time is there than a snowy winter's day, a warm fireplace, and 18 year old Single Malt.

Posted by: TheCork | January 12, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

was this beeped?

Posted by: dcsween | January 12, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"I see you mentioned the thought of mcnabb starting

I think there's a solid chance that happens unless we get offered a 4th for him."

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 12, 2011 11:48 AM

I don't believe that there is any chance at all that McNabb will be on the 'Skins' roster next season, let alone starting. It is evident from their actions and statements this past season that the Shanahans don't want DM5 as their starting QB, and there's no way that the team will pay the $10 million (or whatever it is) roster bonus that they will have to pay for a guy who will be sitting on the bench next season. I don't think the fact that DM5 would be in his second season in the offense and should therefore know it better will be relevant. As good a guy as he appears to be, there are some things about McNabb that apparently will not change: his footwork, which the Shanahans apparently do not like, and his inconsistent accuracy (which may be tied to his footwork). In any event, I believe that the team will basically take whatever they can get for him in a trade, and would even release him if no team is willing to trade for him (which I don't think will happen).

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 12, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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