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Redskins, Doug Williams reportedly discuss front-office position

Thomas George of AOL Fanhouse wrote yesterday that the Redskins are in talks to possibly create a front-office position for Doug Williams, who played a major role in helping Joe Gibbs win the second of his three Super Bowl titles.

Williams, the longtime NFL quarterback and Super Bowl XXII MVP in the Redskins' 42-10 rout of the Denver Broncos, recently left the Tampa Bay Buccaneers after a long run as a personnel executive, so Redskins General Manager Bruce Allen, who formerly served in the same capacity with Tampa Bay, obviously is familiar with Williams's work and skills. Coach Mike Shanahan and Allen are expected to make significant front-office changes at some point, and someone with Williams's background as a successful player, college coach (he led his alma mater, Grambling, before joining the Buccaneers) and NFL player-personnel man would seem to be an ideal fit for the new regime.

Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has hired Shanahan and Allen and also recently brought in Tony Wyllie, among the NFL's most accomplished and respected public-relations executives, as Washington's new senior vice president. In giving Shanahan, Allen and Wyllie decision-making power, Snyder has shown a willingness to surround himself with high-ranking professional people. They are the type of people whom the team's loyal, long-suffering fan base can believe in to make sound decisions.

Williams is beloved by Redskins fans, but he probably would not be interested in a figurehead job for public relations purposes, George wrote. That's totally understandable. And Williams might have other options, so perhaps there's no fit with the Redskins at this time. But Williams clearly has more to offer the NFL, and with Snyder moving to rebuild the Redskins, maybe it's the perfect time to hand Williams a shovel.

By Jason Reid  |  May 19, 2010; 8:57 AM ET
Categories:  Daniel M. Snyder  
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Awesome news!

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | May 19, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

It would generate some positive PR and goodwill among the fan base to bring Doug back into the fold. We'll always, always love this guy.

With that said, I'm not sure how good he's been as an NFL front office guy, so I'm cautiously optimistic about how he could benefit the team in real terms.

Such as.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Indeed

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this has already been posted and talked about but Springs was cut by Pats.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/19/shawn-springs-claims-his-release-had-nothing-to-do-with-injury-attitude/

Posted by: leevi98 | May 19, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

hell no, it shouldn't be a figurehead position, the man is well-respected as a personnel guy 'cause he's been damn good at it.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 19, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

How old is Springs now?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 19, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What happened to the CFL guy?

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

PFT had this yesterday...just sayin'...

Ironic that Shanahan was the OC on that Broncos team we picked apart that year. Now he'll have the QB responsible for that legendary 2nd quarter barrage working with him in the front office.

Small world...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


From previous thread-
Seems reasonable and appropriate to me.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 19, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Which is exactly why the blog locals are so offended. Reasonable and appropriate comments here affect these idiots like Mary Hart's voice does Kramer.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse
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ROFLMAO, Guilty!

Some more than others.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 19, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

CynicalFan, if what is posted here, whether it be the thread itself or the comments stings your vagina that bad, then why don't you just bounce, and come back when the discussion is more to your liking?

Never understood the incessant b*tching and moaning over the context of convo up here. Either get in where you fit in, if you can't or don't want to, leave and come back when you can contribute to the convo other than your discontent over it.

If it's the threads that bother you so much, here's an idea:

Right above the "Redskins Insider" banner with Jason Reid's mug on it, there is a link that says: "E-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions". Click it and send Reid an email on how much it chaps your ass that you can't get OTA updates. He's eagerly waiting to read your concerns on this pressing issue.

If it's the commentators comments that have you depressed, then I don't know what to tell ya. It's the offseason, this is what it is.

Either way, get over it. If OTA updates are that much of a need for you, then find out if you can Podcast 'Redskins Nation'. Redskins Nation with Larry Michael (Comcast Sports Network) has cool vidz for you to see and interviews -- the whole shabang.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

My official Redskins HGH Odds List

Feel free to edit, but my take.

Laron Landry 3:1 Has bulked up to a freakish size this offseason. And any man who walks around with a spiked lip piercing just makes me wonder.

Randy Thomas 4:1 Had a series of leg and arm muscle injuries 2 out of his last 3 years. Definite red flags there.

Rocky McIntosh 5:1 Has had his share of knee injuries that he has needed to quickly recover from heading into a contract year.

Phillip Daniels 5:1 Workout warrior who has remain a competent player despite his advanced age and recent leg injuries.

Santana Moss 8:1 He has had a number of nagging leg and hamstring injuries recently.

Clinton Portis 8:1 Prima donna personality, Eyes on Skins rushing record, has shown a propensity for taking short cuts in practice and working out previously.

Mike Sellers 10:1 Freakishly big dude, not injured very much lately, but freakishly big.

Andre Carter 15:1 A workout warrior, who doesn't have the bulk to warrant suspicion

Chris Samuels 20:1 Has battled a number of inuries until a potentially life threatening one made him call it quits.

Albert Haynesworth 1,000,000:1 AH didn't need HGH as much as he needed an oxygen tank attached to the back of his own jersey last year, but if the Wiz can win the NBA lottery, then anything’s possible.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 19, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Winning the lottery was the worst thing that could have happened to the Wizards this year because the "can't miss" plays a position they don't need to fill.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2010 11:24 AM

Cosign! I was glad we moved up...but as we approached the final 2 I was hoping we get #2...PRAYING ALMOST....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What a great second quarter for Williams in the Superbowl - the Broncos didn't know what hit them. I would love to see him back with the skins.

Posted by: Markin21132 | May 19, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"Williams is beloved by Redskins fans..." I love it when JR tells us how we feel. The man is a simpleton.

Posted by: chris_zz | May 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Love Doug! Make it happen Shanallen!!!!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Redskins owner Daniel Snyder has hired Shanahan and Allen and also recently brought in Tony Wyllie, among the NFL's most accomplished and respected public-relations executives, as Washington's new senior vice president. In giving Shanahan, Allen and Wyllie decision-making power, Snyder has shown a willingness to surround himself with high-ranking professional people. They are the type of people whom the team's loyal, long-suffering fan base can believe in to make sound decisions.

By JReid

So, JReid tells us who to trust and not trust??

Wow...Just Wow...

How about we judge who is 'In the Tank' and not....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Get your John Wall jerseys..


The player(s) we're looking for would most likely...
1. History of injuries or a major injury
2. North of 30 yrs old
3. Was here 2007-
4. HGH is not used to "bulk up", steroids are the drug of choice.

Levels of HGH begin to drop around the age of 30. Over the years, our levels continue to drop at a consistent rate (25% per decade). Researchers believe that this drop in our HGH levels is what causes many health problems and diseases associated with modern aging - such as weight gain, reduced energy, muscle loss, wrinkles, declining mental alertness, weakened immune system, vision problems and more.

My best guess would be Randy Thomas and I hate to say it but Phillip Daniels.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 19, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

LH and 4th, you really think a 28 year old guard with 2 bad knees who hasn't played more than half a season in over 3 years is going to deter the Wizards from taking the #1 overall prospect?

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

When Donovan McNabb joined the team he was automatically given the number 5, was there any compensation given to Colt Brennen or did he just give it up?

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 9:35 AM

I think I recall that what happened is when Collins got cut Brennan took #15, which had been Brennan's number, leaving #5 up for grabs.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 19, 2010 9:42 AM |

When Donovan McNabb joined the team he was automatically given the number 5, was there any compensation given to Colt Brennen or did he just give it up?

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 9:35 AM

It was a non-issue...Colt only took 5 because his college #15 was already taken by Todd Collins. With Collins gone, Colt switched to his preferred #15 and DMac got his familiar #5. Worked out perfectly.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 19, 2010 9:44 AM


Professor! Professor! This slappy over here is copying answers off my paper.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 19, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this has already been posted and talked about but Springs was cut by Pats.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/19/shawn-springs-claims-his-release-had-nothing-to-do-with-injury-attitude/

Posted by: leevi98 | May 19, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm with psps... though the sad truth is that the stupid, stupid, stupid contract they gave Gil will be an albatross around the franchise's neck for years.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 11:49 AM

Ehhh...have you and NAte forgot about 4 years $80 Mil UNMOVABLE contract???

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Professor! Professor! This slappy over here is copying answers off my paper.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 19, 2010 11:50 AM


Not really copying just because you turned your paper in just before I did. Besides...this slappy was a bit more detailed. Tends to go a long way with teacher when you show your work...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes I am confliced about people b****ing about roids. We don't see much complaining about the artists and musicians and their rampant Pot and LSD use, and how that has helped them make better songs and art. We can't complain about scientists that take pills that allow them to concentrate better.

Posted by: alex35332

"Constant LSD use?" When did you post this, the 70's?

As far as Pot is concerned, by golly I understand a number of musicians and artists actually use the stuff. To paraphrase Lincoln's comment when he learned that Gen US Grant was drinking heavily: Find out what kind of weed Willy is smoking and send some to the rest of the artists and musicians.

As for scientists. Little known fact. Shortly before coming up with the theory of relativity, Einstein ran a Meth lab.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Yay for Doug Williams

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 19, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

LSD rulz


just sayin'

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Ehhh...have you and NAte forgot about 4 years $80 Mil UNMOVABLE contract???

Posted by: 4thFloor

Right?


The same reasons they give for Arenas probably not being here are the EXACT same reasons why he will.

Oft-injured
Huge dollar amount left on the contract


I'd be all for moving Arenas if they could, but more than likely they can't. No one wants a contract that size attached to a player that's played 38 games the last three seasons(?).

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So now guys from AOL Blogs are scooping you?

Welcome back, JR.

Did I miss all the posts about this week's OTA's?

Posted by: McMetal | May 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

MDMA rulz
LSD drulz

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Red-

Thanks for the guidance. I'll take it under advisement.

Clearly, speculating on which Skin is involved in the recent unpleasantness, and how severe a knuckle-rap, if any, will be involved are entertaining and on topic.

So is wondering about Doug coming back, would he be good (I seem to recall Tampa has been up and down). Would Popp be his boss? Would he be Popp's? Would they bring in both guys?

As for OTAs, aren't they ending today? Perhaps 2beeps is right, and lack of injuries is the best that can be hoped for. Still and all, there must be SOMETHING that an Insider can report out of three days of the team being together and working.

Posted by: CynicalFan1 | May 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

nice red...dont agree but like the form.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott

FOXNews.com

Arizona took a bold step in passing the immigration law; seems as though they are willing to back up their actions.

Kudos to the Arizona people for having the knards not to back down.

F the Cowboys.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | May 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Grunfeld on 980... says Gil will be here... but I guess he has to

Posted by: Zeebs1 | May 19, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, that contract is here regardless of whether they draft Wall or Turner. The question is which guy will make the Wizards better in the long-run. There's no way I'd let Gilbert Arenas' contract determine who to select 1st overall. By the time either Wall or Turner become superstars (if they do become that) it'll be a few years down the road, and Arenas' contract will be dwindling along with whatever ability he has left. Using this pick to compliment Arenas would be a mistake of huge proportions.

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4th, in my post I mentioned Gil's stupid, stupid, stupid contract, by which I meant to convey that while I agree with psps, I think Gil's contract is going to prevent the Wiz front office from acting rationally to develop a winning basketball team... I should've been more clear about that.

F Gil's contract.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Right above the "Redskins Insider" banner with Jason Reid's mug on it, there is a link that says: "E-mail Jason with comments, ideas and questions". Click it and send Reid an email on how much it chaps your ass that you can't get OTA updates. He's eagerly waiting to read your concerns on this pressing issue.

If it's the commentators comments that have you depressed, then I don't know what to tell ya. It's the offseason, this is what it is.

Either way, get over it. If OTA updates are that much of a need for you, then find out if you can Podcast 'Redskins Nation'. Redskins Nation with Larry Michael (Comcast Sports Network) has cool vidz for you to see and interviews -- the whole shabang.

Posted by: RedDMV |


Much as I respect your suggestion to watch and read the output of the professional redskin Flacks, enlighten me please. Are the OTAs open to Media, or only to Redskin PR department, as part of Snyder's ongoing attempts to control access to his product?

We all LOVE to watch the hard-hitting Larry Michaels interrogations, but might help keep him on his gamn, if someone else had a shot, too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

According to PFT, Shawn Springs failed a physical prior to being cut by the Pats:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/19/shawn-springs-failed-a-physical/

F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | May 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It'll definitely be interesting to see where these guys end up doing in NBA -- Wall and Turner.

I hope some of you are still on public forms with the same screen names three years from now...


But for now I'm all for some speculating on who's 'roiding and HGH'ing it up. Between that we can discuss what type of calisthenics the linebackers are partaking in this afternoon.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Not that anyone noticed, but I do think it'd be pretty easy to misinterpret this Chris Cooley quote:

"A lot of guys who truly care about one another," he said. "So I'm thankful to them for coming out tonight."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Cork, on Redskins Nation, they usually have video of the players on the practice field doing some drills with Larry Michael's voice over the video.

I don't watch RN much, it being OTAs and all, so I really can't tell you what the interviews are like.

I'm not sure if it's open to everyone media, or just the 'Skins PR staff.

My guess is that it's just PR staff.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

We all LOVE to watch the hard-hitting Larry Michaels interrogations,

Posted by: TheCork | May 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that an oxymoron? Shouldn't it be softball pitch type questions from Larry "Jellyfish" Michael? Don't forget, no "s" at the end of his name!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

There was a post on here the other day that listed the days of the OTA's and said that 1/3rd of them would be open to the media, but they didn't say which ones were open. They either don't know themselves or aren't telling. Hey, that's another reason to click on Reid's link at the top and complain!

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the media heads say that there would be no changes to the scouting staff until after the draft? Well, it is after the draft, and Doug Williams' name comes up. I am thinking there will be changes made in the scouting org and Doug Williams will be running the whole shebang. What do they call that? Director of player personnel?

As for the HGH user on the team - they did say currently on the team - I suspect it is Moss. This would explain why the team suddenly started kicking the tires on older receivers like Galloway and Wade. Someone else mentioned the connection to NYC and Moss had some chronic hamstring problems that seemed to go away for a period of time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 19, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I have no idea if Doug Williams is a good personnel guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 12:13 PM

That guy is Turner. Name a PG since Isaiah to lead a team to title. How is Derrick Rose working out as a No. 1 pick?

And don't forget Shaun Livingston is on the roster. He showed he can still play at a high level. The Wiz could make some noise right away with Gil, Blatche, Turner, Josh Howard, and a FA big like Bosh.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's so cool" - Chris Cooley on breast cancer.

Clearly Cooley's pro-cancer status means he's on HGH.

Or it was Todd Yoder. You know what, I think Doug Williams is on HGH.

Posted by: Keiser | May 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Doug and Bruce can run the Skins into the ground just like they did the Bucs.

Posted by: Rod5 | May 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This from CBS sports on OTA action

May 19 12:15 ET

Adam Carriker figures to be used mostly at DE this season, but with no Albert Haynesworth, he's seeing action at NG as well.

May 19 12:14 ET

So far on the day, LB Brian Orakpo is maintaining the edge on rookie OT Trent Williams, who is getting away with frequent holding.

May 19 12:13 ET

You can call special teams coach Danny Smith a survivor. He came in when Joe Gibbs returned, remained under Jim Zorn and now under Mike Shanahan.

May 19 12:12 ET

Battle for 3rd string QB spot: Richard Bartel is getting most third-team snaps over Colt Brennan so far today.

May 19 12:11 ET

After working on the side for minicamp sessions, rehabbing DE/LB Andre Carter (triceps) is back in the mix here at OTAs.

Posted by: TWISI | May 19, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The HGH story is going to get a ton of play -- and it is important. BUT .... let's look at the real consequences.

1. someone is getting a 4 game suspension. 2. someone may have gotten a contract based on performance while juiced, which means he's probably overpaid.
3. a position that is currently filled, may become a position of need

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Doug and Bruce can run the Skins into the ground just like they did the Bucs.

Posted by: Rod5 | May 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That is SOOOOO not funny. I'm hoping with Shanahan being there it will be different.

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

LH, if you believe Turner is better than Wall (or will be better), then by all means he should be drafted. I'm just saying that nobody on the roster currently should come close to deterring the Wizards from selecting the best overall player.

And LH, Rose just finished his 2nd season. Come see me in 3 years, and we'll see how Chicago turns out.

BTW, Rondo's looking like he can add to that list of PGs this year.

And don't forget, in the midst of Isaiah winning two titles, Magic also won 5.

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Springs is done... to those saying "bring back Springs" Please put down the pipe, and move along.

Don't you remember the vagisil shortage that prevented him from being on the field while he was here?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Rondo? He's nice but he's playing with three HOFs. Zeke played with one and he wasn't a big.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

can i keep the pipe and say springs is done!

Posted by: chrislarry | May 19, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

RE: Wall's propensity for turnovers

Wall 4 per game as PG
Turner 4 per game as a SF

Wall is an absolute lock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

2. someone may have gotten a contract based on performance while juiced, which means he's probably overpaid.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh No, That's about 90% of the team, it could be anybody!

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The HGH story is going to get a ton of play -- and it is important. BUT .... let's look at the real consequences.

1. someone is getting a 4 game suspension. 2. someone may have gotten a contract based on performance while juiced, which means he's probably overpaid.
3. a position that is currently filled, may become a position of need

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:49 PM |

4) Or it was someone that isn't here and won't affect us in the least.

5) Or it's all a load of crap or blown out of proportion. Nothings been proven beyond hearsay yet.

No use worrying about things until they happen. Most of the time it turns out that you were worrying for nothing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 19, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Drafting John Wall will be a mistake.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 19, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, for all intents and purposes, Turner played PG for OSU. He was the team's primary ball handler.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

2. someone may have gotten a contract based on performance while juiced, which means he's probably overpaid.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh No, That's about 90% of the team, it could be anybody!

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 1:01 PM |

Which part is 90% of the team. Over paid? Should read WERE overpaid. And if 90% of THIS team were overperforming because they were juiced we are in sad shape my friend cuz we were terrible.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 19, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Rose just finished his 2nd season. Come see me in 3 years, and we'll see how Chicago turns out.

Posted by: psps23


So players are on the "5 years of wait and see" program?


Rose is alright. Dude needs to work on that 'J and make better decisions in the half court.

Sure Rose can get into the lane at will, hence the reason why people are gushing over Wall. And with the way the NBA is called with all the hand-check and blocking calls, I can see why.

There is more to a point guard than his ability to get to the basket. And right now that is at the top of John Wall's list of attributes on the court.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

4) Or it was someone that isn't here and won't affect us in the least.

5) Or it's all a load of crap or blown out of proportion. Nothings been proven beyond hearsay yet.

No use worrying about things until they happen. Most of the time it turns out that you were worrying for nothing.

Posted by: scampbell1975

agreed -- its a story that probably has very modest implications for this team. Not impossible that it gets bad, but also not likely.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Call of Duty: Black Ops

By WSJ Staff

"A lie is a lie,” says the narrator for the Call of Duty: Black Ops trailer. “Just because they write it down and call it history, doesn’t make it the truth. We live in a world where seeing is not believing. Where only a few know what really happened. We live in a world where everything we know is wrong.” And that’s just the beginning. Here’s the trailer, which makes the game look at least as action-packed, if not more so, than the movie “The A-Team.” The spot had its world premiere during last night’s NBA playoff game. The videogame is out Nov. 9.

I'm psyched, man, I'm psyched. Covert assassinations! Overthrown governments! Drones as thick as mosquitos in a swamp in July! I salivate at the thought of getting my hands on this baby. The same way DMV salivates at the thought of getting his hands on CP's nutsack.

Posted by: PsyOps | May 19, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Doug and Bruce can run the Skins into the ground just like they did the Bucs.

Posted by: Rod5 | May 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That is SOOOOO not funny. I'm hoping with Shanahan being there it will be different.

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope so too Monk...I hope so too.

Posted by: Rod5 | May 19, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Rondo's looking like he can add to that list of PGs this year.


Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 12:50 PM

But he was selected 21st overall....And if there were a 6'11" point gaurd who just led their team to the championship, there wouldn't be a debate in the 1st place..So we can actually try to pick up a sleeper with that 2nd 1st rounder we have from Cleveland....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I think most of this team is still overpaid, I understand that those days (hopefully) are done as far as future players goes. And I agree, if 90% were juiced, they are apparently retards cause they can't even do that right

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

RE: Wall's propensity for turnovers

Wall 4 per game as PG
Turner 4 per game as a SF

Wall is an absolute lock.

Posted by: Diesel44

Yeah sure he is.

At turning the ball over.

For those who want to compare their stats, I ask you to look at the roster of Ohio State, then look at Kentucky. Then ask yourself how is it with more talent on Kentucky ('cause it was -- way more), how is it that Wall averaged the amount of turnovers that he did?


Basketball I.Q. should be number one on the list of a PG. It isn't with Wall.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I think most of this team is still overpaid, I understand that those days (hopefully) are done as far as future players goes. And I agree, if 90% were juiced, they are apparently retards cause they can't even do that right

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 1:11 PM |

I would say that most of the overpaid guys are gone. True there are still some very bloated contracts on this team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 19, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"So players are on the "5 years of wait and see" program?


Rose is alright."

Posted by: RedDMV

Oh, no, by year 3 you have an excellent idea of what the guy will be like.

Rose will be a top 3 PG in the NBA for years to come. If he were on the Celtics instead of Chicago, Rose would be killing it worse than Rondo.

I'm saying "see me in 3 years" because LH implied Chicago hasn't done much since getting Rose. Wait until Chicago gets Wade/Lebron/Bosh to go along with Rose. Chicago will be the team to beat in the East almost immediately.

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Huh. I feel like there's some not-very-subtle marketing via social media happening up here. These video game advertisement things. Makes me uncomfortable.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

lh1- I know. Just trying to dispell the myth that Wall has a poor handle. I like both Wall and Turner, Wall just has too much upside to pass on and the league is full of 6'7 guys with average athleticism. Wall would come into the league and be the most athletic guy at his position.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 19, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Obvious posting under two screen names at the same time = pathetic & trifle


See, why Shuttle ITA'd BlackD0ucheBag...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"how is it that Wall averaged the amount of turnovers that he did?

Posted by: RedDMV"

Because Kentucky played a run & gun, fast tempo offense that's prone to more turnovers at the expense of getting easier baskets.

Ohio State played a half-court, slow-tempo offense that, generally speaking, is not be prone to turnovers.

Turner's turnover numbers in that offense are a much bigger sign of weakness than Wall's in Kentucky's.

We'll see how it turns out.

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Turning the ball over has more to do with decision making than handles.

If you can't dribble a basketball, then seek another sport.

Wall's dribble isn't a question.

People in the defense of Wall conveniently like to point out stats and his "upside".

Go check Turner's stats and see what he did every year he played at OSU. Turner has just as much as upside as John Wall.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

yeah, psps, but if the talent level on OSU was less than Kentucky, wouldn't that put Turner in situations to create more -- WITHOUT the help of a supporting cast that Wall has?


Agree though, I'm curious to see how it all plays out.

If they get Wall, so be it. If they get Turner, so be it.

Anything else and I'm renouncing my fanhood.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Stoooopid...When you have a great thing going...Don't let it on to the General Public! I geuss 'The Game' had a more accurate portrayal then I could imagine....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/19/dwayne-bowe-lets-a-rather-large-cat-out-of-the-bag/

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

hahah agreed Red.

On another note, there's a "rumor" thing on ESPN that says Haynesworth to the Bears is a possibility. Anybody have news on this?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2ffeatures%2frumors

Posted by: psps23 | May 19, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Just the fact that we are having this Wall vs. Turner discussion is a good thing. At the end of the day Wall is the pick, every GM knows this and so does every "slappy" on this board.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 19, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Stoooopid...When you have a great thing going...Don't let it on to the General Public! I geuss 'The Game' had a more accurate portrayal then I could imagine....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/19/dwayne-bowe-lets-a-rather-large-cat-out-of-the-bag/

Posted by: 4thFloor

Sex for free is always more expensive than sex for money. Don't they teach that to the rookies?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 19, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Obvious posting under two screen names at the same time = pathetic & trifle

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:20 PM |

Totally irrelevant. You had to know that fronting for CP and ranting about nutsacks would bring a day when you would have to pay the piper. Heh, heh.

Posted by: PsyOps | May 19, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Springs is done... to those saying "bring back Springs" Please put down the pipe, and move along.

Don't you remember the vagisil shortage that prevented him from being on the field while he was here?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have not noticed many or if any saying that we should bring back Springs...i just see people discussing he was cut and reporting that news here as well as why was he cut? Who is saying bring him back?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 19, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Springs is done... to those saying "bring back Springs" Please put down the pipe, and move along.

Don't you remember the vagisil shortage that prevented him from being on the field while he was here?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I have not noticed many or if any saying that we should bring back Springs...i just see people discussing he was cut and reporting that news here as well as why was he cut? Who is saying bring him back?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

On the HGH thing, it is interesting that we hear about the doc's flight plan and hear that Springs has been released within hours of each other. Hmmmm....

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, it's a good thing we're having this discussion unless you've just walked into this blog conversation and get huffy at the notion people talk about things other than the Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

On the HGH thing, it is interesting that we hear about the doc's flight plan and hear that Springs has been released within hours of each other. Hmmmm....

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 19, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

good point

Posted by: leevi98 | May 19, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Springs is a shell of his former self. When he WAS healthy he was awesome, but I remember being really glad when we got rid of him because for the last 2 or 3 years that he was here he only averaged like 4 games a year.

Posted by: monk811 | May 19, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

leevi, somebody on a previous thread suggested trying out Springs at safety. Which isn't the worst idea I've ever heard, but it's probably not the best.

It is, however, well north of Dwayne Bowe's decision to blab about the, ahem, logistical arrangements made by him and his teammates on the road...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

There is more to a point guard than his ability to get to the basket. And right now that is at the top of John Wall's list of attributes on the court.

Posted by: RedDMV

Red, who on the Wizards can do that NOW without thinking about their last knee injury on the way? Not Gil or Shaun Liv, both have lost something off their game because of their knees.

The Wiz have shooters and wing players, hell, their starting point guard is one and thats part of the problem. What they need is a guy who can run an offense, get to the lane and distribute the rock.

Ernie, start building the Great Wall of Chinatown on draft day!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 19, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Winning the lottery was the worst thing that could have happened to the Wizards this year because the "can't miss" plays a position they don't need to fill.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 19, 2010 11:24 AM

Cosign! I was glad we moved up...but as we approached the final 2 I was hoping we get #2...PRAYING ALMOST....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 19, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


???
Yeah, let's pass on John Wall and just rebuild the franchise around...(drum roll)...Gilbert Arenas!

If you think the Wiz DON'T need to get a new PG to build around, my first thought is to wonder if this is your first ever visit to the WAPO sports section...

Posted by: p1funk | May 19, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

BWest beeps...

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 19, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 19, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

People in the defense of Wall conveniently like to point out stats and his "upside".

Go check Turner's stats and see what he did every year he played at OSU. Turner has just as much as upside as John Wall.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 19, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Turner's freshman year:

27minutes/game, 8.5 pts, 4.4rebs, 2.6assts, 2.7 to, 1.3 steals, 47%fg, 69.9%ft, 33.3% 3-pt


Wall's freshman year

34minutes/game, 16.6pts, 4.3rebs, 6.5 assts, 4 to, 1.8 stl, 46% fg, 75.4% ft, 32.5% 3-pt


Hard to argue that Evan Turner and John Wall are the same kind of talent-potential.

The only reason people are mentioning Evan Turner along with Wall is because Turner has had 2 more years to polish/develop his game in college. That's what puts him in the conversation.

If we were talking about Evan Turner vs. John Wall both as freshman, the Turner apologists would be laughed out of the covnersation.

If you put the 2 on the same track, in terms of experience/ability, then it's clear the greater upside is with Wall.
That's not to say that Turner does not have potential. The key thing is matching up their starting points for measuring that.

Red, you've cited the whole "Oden v. Durant" draft as an example, but that;s not really a good one. Both of those guys were 1 and dones.

Evan v. Wall is more like the Howard vs. Okafor discussion.

Younger raw athletic talent vs. more polished refined college-proven player.

Posted by: p1funk | May 19, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

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