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Snyder apologizes for Redskins' dealings in cheerleader story


Remember the heartwarming story about the Redskins cheerleader whose husband surprised her with his return from Iraq? The video was even on "Today" last week.

View more news videos at: http://www.nbcwashington.com/video.

According to a report by The Post's Howard Kurtz, there's a story behind the story and it involves WJLA and WRC. The upshot is that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder wrote a letter of apology to WJLA over coverage of the reunion of Kristin Edick and her husband, Lt. Denver Edick.

"I do regret actions taken by our representatives that prevented your news organization from being able to report on the surprise early return of Lt. Denver Edick and his reunion with his wife Kristin, one of our cheerleaders," Snyder wrote WJLA station director Bill Lord, according to Kurtz. He added that he was "making many changes in personnel and policy" that he hopes will ensure "that the Redskins are respectful and fair to the journalists that are covering our team."

Earlier today, the team announced that Tony Wyllie of the Houston Texans would be named senior vice president. Wyllie holds the title of vice president for communications with the Texans.

He'll replace Karl Swanson, the Redskins' longtime senior vice president of public relations, who has resigned to spend more time with his family. Swanson's departure had been in the works before the cheerleader story.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 4, 2010; 3:27 PM ET
Categories:  Daniel M. Snyder  
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If 70% of the players are [black], and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?

Unless you're hopelessly close-minded, I mean.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM

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That's gonna change Samson151. I dunno why you can't see that. You think players can just skip becoming an assistant coach and jump straight to be head coach? FO people earned their keep over years of hard work, no matter the color of their skin.

Jay-Z didn't just become a music mogul. It took time and work. The only thing closed minded is your free lunch BS mentality

I'm pretty sure you thought you'd never see a [black] president either...

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Guess it was time for a new guy to help improve our PR.

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Say what now?

Posted by: ga8085 | May 4, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

From what I gather, there was some sort of "upshot"..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 4, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Football is very popular in my fathers home country, Guatemala; and even in Asia. Unfortunately, genetics play a role in their lack of involvement in American football.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 3:55 PM

huh?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

next: cerratto weighs in on Redskins' dealings in cheerleader story, sasquatch, & kevin mawae

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

What an asinine organization. Sometimes I wish those burgundy and golds weren't so dam beautiful and I could root for someone else.

But they are and I can't...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/04/AR2010050403588.html

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:05

Stole story from ABC and gave to NBC. Threatened to fire the wife if she talked. Your basic "henchman" tactics.

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse
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The guy called ABC to stage the thing, ABC called the Redskins PR, the Redskins PR called NBC, barred ABC, and threatened to fire the cheerleader if she interviewed with anyone other than the NBC affiliate.

Perhaps they didn't do anything wrong by the letter of the law or contracts, but its just in bad taste. Like suing fans, banning signs, etc.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

thanks, Snyder apologized...I don't know, should be good now right?? she didn't get fired...much ado over nothing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

And what's up with the Jay-Z dissing? What, you don't like to see any blacks doing well?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 4, 2010 4:11 PM

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What exactly did I say about Jay-Z that offended you Red?

If you read the blog more often, you'd know that I'm a big fan of hova.

But please, lemme have it, Red. Explain to everyone why I don't wanna see a black succeed. break it down!

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The guy called ABC to stage the thing, ABC called the Redskins PR, the Redskins PR called NBC, barred ABC, and threatened to fire the cheerleader if she interviewed with anyone other than the NBC affiliate.

Perhaps they didn't do anything wrong by the letter of the law or contracts, but its just in bad taste. Like suing fans, banning signs, etc.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh gotcha... This Swanson guy seems like a total d-bag. Whats next waterboarding the mascots?

Glad to see he has been replaced.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"That's gonna change Samson151. I dunno why you can't see that. You think players can just skip becoming an assistant coach and jump straight to be head coach? FO people earned their keep over years of hard work, no matter the color of their skin. Jay-Z didn't just become a music mogul. It took time and work. The only thing closed minded is your free lunch BS mentality. I'm pretty sure you thought you'd never see a [black] president either...Posted by: Vicc"

Hard to know where to start -- so many false assumptions in the above...

1) Plenty of good A-A assistants out there in NFL-land, not to mention the college ranks. Have been for several decades. How come so few wind up as NFL head coaches or GMs? Think that's because they're not capable?

2)FO staff are overwhelmingly white because, well, they always have been overwhelmingly white. Once teams start hiring more minority folks in the FO, then they'll be rewarded for their years of hard work, too.

3) About free lunches -- you never heard the saying 'free, white, and 21'? That wasn't because being brown was an advantage.

4) Not that it has anything to do with this discussion, but happens I did think we'd see a black president in my lifetime. However, a lot of black folks didn't. They figured most American voters were too much like Vicc to permit it.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

So I haven't heard much on here about how Alan Faneca signed with Arizona when he could have addressed a real need on the O-line nor anything about how Darren Sharper resigned with New Orleans without even a rumour that he was considered by the Skins. He would have addressed a big need, too.

Still no one being brought in to bolster the O-line when we haven't made many changes there this offseason. (TWilliams may or may not pan out this year...or ever. The other 2 O-line draftees are probably headed to the practice squad. Other than that, we added Hicks, who should be there strictly as a backup, and a few other no-namers)

Anyone else concerned that we haven't brought in true competition here? What's going on FO and what do you intend to do to address this insufficiency?

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Re: Sharper, from USA Today: http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/topblurbs.asp?sport=NFL#64288

Report: S Sharper had microfracture surgery
Darren Sharper - DB - NO - May. 3 - 7:03 p.m. ET
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Darren Sharper had limited market value as a free agent due to offseason microfracture surgery.
This explains quite a bit, and means that Sharper is no sure thing to be ready for Opening Day. The procedure, believed to have taken place in early March, was originally announced as an arthroscopic surgery -- much less serious than microfracture. A 34-year-old defensive back coming off this operation figures to lose at least some range. The Saints may need to give 2009 first-round pick Malcolm Jenkins reps at free safety, after all.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Re: the O-line, I don't think the Shannys share what appears to be your low opinion of the 5 (6?) guys they've brought in (so far). Hicks started a lot of games for some pretty good O-lines in Minnesota. I wouldn't just assume that he won't do an adequate job at RT. They obviously believe that TWill can hold down the left tackle spot. Per RI, the Shannys were pleasantly surprised at the team's talent at the interior line positions, and felt that the tackles were the main trouble spots. Perhaps this is why they did not appear to be interested in Faneca. We'll just have to see how accurate thoses assessments turn out to be.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

...and this has NOTHING to do with Swanson "deciding to spend more time with his family". Riiiiiiiight. Gotcha.

Posted by: stevek20147 | May 4, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Football is very popular in my fathers home country, Guatemala; and even in Asia. Unfortunately, genetics play a role in their lack of involvement in American football.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 3:55 PM

huh?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 4:14 PM


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How about this: there is a reason Asians never win the 100 meter dash at the Olympics.

Does that help explain it what I was trying to convey?

Look, I know what it sounds like, but I don't think I'm being unrealistic here.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

thanks, Snyder apologized...I don't know, should be good now right?? she didn't get fired...much ado over nothing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse
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Snyder apologized for suing fans, too. Doesn't make it right.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article by Bill Barnwell on the 'Speed Score', a metric he developed for interpreting Combine times into a meaningful predictor of NFL performance. Here's some quotes:

"Speed Score: The formula for the equation is (Weight * 200)/(40 Time4). This conveniently produces a really simple scale: An average Speed Score is just about 100. (It's actually 98.5 for all players that run at the Combine, slightly higher for those players selected in the draft.) As I mentioned, Speed Score was developed right before the 2008 draft, which is fateful, as the 2008 class of running backs may arguably go down as the best in the history of the league. At the time, the player with the best Speed Score of the draft class was thought to be a second-round pick, but he ended up going late in the first round. That back -- Chris Johnson -- has had a pretty decent career so far."

"With that in mind, Speed Score isn't a be-all, end-all metric... Consider it a much better marker of athleticism than any other metric, not a substitute for scouting and scheme. As for [Ben] Tate [of Auburn]... At 220 pounds, his 4.43 40-yard dash time produced a Speed Score of 114.2. That performance helped bump him up from a fourth-round grade to the second round, where the Texans nabbed him with the 58th pick. His 114.2 score is virtually identical to three backs: 2002 sixth-round pick Josh Scobey, 2005 second-rounder J.J. Arrington, and 2006 first-rounder Joseph Addai."

"The best Speed Score ever recorded was by Brandon Jacobs in 2005, at 123.5; of course, he's turned into a very solid back despite coming off the board at the 110th pick."

"…There is a type of player Speed Score "misses" on: Versatile backs that are great receivers. Brian Westbrook had a Speed Score of 91.7 and succeeded, which is the lowest Speed Score of any player that enjoyed any sort of NFL success. Kevin Faulk was a 94.0; Ray Rice, a second-round pick, was only at 99.7.
I don't think the issue here is necessarily that Speed Score doesn't know what to do with them, but that it's not considering the whole picture. If Westbrook or Faulk had been mediocre receivers, they probably wouldn't have had pro careers. I'm guessing that combining Speed Score with a measure of receiving ability would produce an even better metric, but that's research we'll be doing in the future.”

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

yeah, matt, lots of stuff ain't right out there, first and foremost, my hair fallin out ain't right...but in the big pic, this seems small...to me anyway...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

In 2010 any person who deems it necessary to discuss race is ignorant. There is no possible way to move past it if people keep fanning flames. Racism is taught from a young age on up.

This goes for blacks and whites, I know racists of all colors. And they are all pretty much retarded and going nowhere in life.

1958 called, they want their ideals back.

Whites should stop saying,"he got that job or position because he/she is black" and blacks should not say" I didn't get this/that position because I'm black."

People advance in this day and age based on merit and experience.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

And in other news...

If Vicc can somehow find a way to offend 2 more races today, he will have hit the RI Superfecta!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 4, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

You'll notice that Lt. Edick was not carrying a sign when he came in.

Just saying.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 4, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah, matt, lots of stuff ain't right out there, first and foremost, my hair fallin out ain't right...but in the big pic, this seems small...to me anyway...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse
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That's what she said.

Actually, I agree it is a small thing. But when your organization chooses to do the wrong thing in a small area, it says something its values.

I don't mean like speeding, which everyone does - it's a norm. I mean like the guy who thinks he can cut you off and then make a left turn. Big scheme, does it matter? No, but that's why he does it; because he can. That guy is a prick.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

You know racists of all colors, so you appear to acknowledge that, to some extent, race is still a problem, yet we should just ignore this and not discuss it because it's ignorant, and will just fan the flames???

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

If 70% of the players are [black], and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?

Unless you're hopelessly close-minded, I mean.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM

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That's gonna change Samson151. I dunno why you can't see that. You think players can just skip becoming an assistant coach and jump straight to be head coach? FO people earned their keep over years of hard work, no matter the color of their skin.

Jay-Z didn't just become a music mogul. It took time and work. The only thing closed minded is your free lunch BS mentality

I'm pretty sure you thought you'd never see a [black] president either...


Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:02 PM
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Samson151 is right to point out the discrpancy between the playing field and NFL front offices. I don't think most sane people would say since 70% of the league is black then 70% of front office personal should be black but there should be a number more than 5% definitely. There are so many black athletes and professionals in general who have been a part of the NFL culture to not have greater repesentation in the front office.

I do applaud the NFL for providing better opportunities for minority coaches but there still is a problem and Samson151 is correct to point this out and keep pointing this out until the problem has been rectified. The crazy thing about the question you posed Vic:

"You think players can just skip becoming an assistant coach and jump straight to be head coach? FO people earned their keep over years of hard work, no matter the color of their skin."

is you assume people of color have not been earning their keep in the organization already. For years black NFL coaches could only be positions coaches and maybe coordintors but when it came to being a head coach were always skipped over. Those folks had ALREADY put in their time. Same with front office. For years blacks in NFL organizations worked their way through the organization but when it came time to get those coveted front office jobs it always went to someone else. These folks have already paid their dues.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | May 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Jay Z is ONLY a mogul because the better rappers were killed...JZ would have no cred if Pac was around a longer...And he wasn't even the best rapper in Brooklyn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 4, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

How about this: there is a reason Asians never win the 100 meter dash at the Olympics.

Does that help explain it what I was trying to convey?

Look, I know what it sounds like, but I don't think I'm being unrealistic here.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:30 PM

take a look at the link below and click through all six pages of Asian track and field medalists since the beginning of the modern Olympics.

even though Asians are disproportionately under-represented on a per-capita basis, note the quasi-exponential increase in Asian medalists since Paris 1900. assuming that doping is relatively constant across nations (cf. Marion Jones), did the genetics change so much in the past century? or is there some other reason (e.g., increased participation)?

as a sidebar, Liu Xiang from China holds the Olympic record for the 110m hurdles in Athens 2004.

apologies for the length of the web link:

http://www.olympic.org/en/content/All-Olympic-results-since-1896/?AthleteName=Enter+a+name&Category=343488&Games=&Sport=1313725&Event=&MenGender=false&WomenGender=false&MixedGender=false&TeamClassification=false&IndividualClassification=true&Continent=1310302&Country=&GoldMedal=true&SilverMedal=true&BronzeMedal=true&WorldRecord=false&OlympicRecord=false&TargetResults=true&resultsPageIPP=10&resultsPage=1

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

And in other news...

If Vicc can somehow find a way to offend 2 more races today, he will have hit the RI Superfecta!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 4, 2010 4:38 PM

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It's so unfair. Just remember:

"But a clue lies in the informal language Lincoln used before he won the presidency. Friends said he loved darkie jokes and even saw fit to use the N-word now and then. That sounds terrible now, but keep in mind the culture at the time. Only the most extreme liberal whites took offense at racist jokes, and Lincoln's opposition to slavery put him in a small minority. To stop its expansion and eventually end it altogether, he needed to win over more than a few racists. He did that with rhetorical virtue--he talked the audience's talk. Many disliked his party's antislavery platform, but they liked him. Whether Lincoln actually was a racist or not doesn't matter rhetorically; his outward attitude was an effective ethos gambit.

Here we find ourselves back in the realm of decorum, but of a special kind; this decorum has nothing to do with clothing or table manners. It has to do with the ability to match the audience's beliefs. Lincoln made his audience well disposed toward him; emancipation was easier to accept coming from a racist than from one of those insufferable abolitionists up in liberal Massachusetts. If he had sermonized about racial equality the way they did, he never would have become president." - Jay Heinrichs

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

You know racists of all colors, so you appear to acknowledge that, to some extent, race is still a problem, yet we should just ignore this and not discuss it because it's ignorant, and will just fan the flames???

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Um. Yes.

Racist a-holes usually say something ridiculous and people listen because of it's absurdity. So yes I choose to ignore it.

Most people who are racist are already set in their ways, there is no talking them out of it. I ignore their bs. So yes I do ignore it.

But to think that in this day and age people are judged and picked for jobs simply because of their color. Asenine.

So yes I ignore the retards. It's a problem because people think it's a problem.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

In 2010 any person who deems it necessary to discuss race is ignorant. There is no possible way to move past it if people keep fanning flames. Racism is taught from a young age on up.

This goes for blacks and whites, I know racists of all colors. And they are all pretty much retarded and going nowhere in life.

1958 called, they want their ideals back.

Whites should stop saying,"he got that job or position because he/she is black" and blacks should not say" I didn't get this/that position because I'm black."

People advance in this day and age based on merit and experience.

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas
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I used to take a similar stand, but I have softened it. The reason? I have come to realize that not speaking about the issues of race in society creates more problems because people feel they have no outlet to express their feelings and to be heard. Instead, it gets internalized until the individual "blows". We need to have a healthy conversation about race in this country and all races need to listen and empathize a little bit more. Easy to say, much harder to get everyone on board...

Posted by: BT23 | May 4, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

The guy called ABC to stage the thing, ABC called the Redskins PR, the Redskins PR called NBC, barred ABC, and threatened to fire the cheerleader if she interviewed with anyone other than the NBC affiliate.

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Posted by: mattsoundworld | May 4, 2010 4:20 PM |

Not Accurate. WJLA requested an interview outside at a restaurant. The Cheerleading Director said they could, but she would be fired.

And Lt. Edick said the WJLA reporter was acting like an a$$ and was rude. All he cared about was the story and not the people. None of them cared about the people.

No NEws is No News. That's why Howard Kurtz is reporting it....DUH....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 4, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"In 2010 any person who deems it necessary to discuss race is ignorant. posted by ih8dallas"

That's the silliest statement I've heard all day.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Where to start? Assuming the cheerleader ad her hubby were not adverse to coverage, it was an insult to them to deny it.

It was stupid and counterproductive to deny a media outlet a feelgood story about the Redskins, Cheereaders, American Heroes, when there are many feel-bad ones that have happened.

Snyder shoukld have been there with the media, giving them an all-expense paid vacation somewhere, a big screen TV to watch the game, and invited to dinner at Chez Snyder, etc

Denying stories to the media is like stealing food from a dog. the dog resents it, hates you and eventually will turn on you.

Under Snyder, this organization has had more bad press than any team I'm aware of this side of the Clippers. Suing ticketholders, limiting access unreasonably to players, kicking fans out for expressing their opinions, making a tribute to the team's great slain hero available only to the rich on gamedays.

You can' design a more bonehead approach to coverage and poisoning good relations with fans and media.

I find it hard to believe a guy who made his fortune thru marketing is this self-destructive.

Some of us grow wise as we age--not that this board is any indication. Let's hope Snyder is doing so.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The guy called ABC to stage the thing, ABC called the Redskins PR, the Redskins PR called NBC, barred ABC, and threatened to fire the cheerleader if she interviewed with anyone other than the NBC affiliate.

Perhaps they didn't do anything wrong by the letter of the law or contracts, but its just in bad taste. Like suing fans, banning signs, etc.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

A good PR guy NEVER makes this sort of mistake. NEVER.

Skins mgmt decided that the press they couldn't control was their enemy, which is dumb. Hopefully this new guy can change some attitudes between Danny's ears.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

How about this: there is a reason Asians never win the 100 meter dash at the Olympics.

Posted by: Vicc

But it still doesn't explain why Westerners always win the Nobel Prize for Economics.
Given the state of the world economies, seems to me China ought to have a stranglehold on that. But no one from China ever wins it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It's so unfair.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 4:57 PM

hey vicc, no hard feelings... still waiting to hear your thoughts on Asian Olympic medalists.

also, since you're a fan of Jay Heinrichs' book "Thank You For Arguing", you should recognize that your quotation @ 4:57 amounts to a classic example of the 'Chewbacca defense'.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Pertaining to the Philly tasering, are we so muscle-less that we just can't tackle the mf, I mean , I used to be a security guard at rock concerts, and it was FUN to nail the fence-jumping sumb*tch, yeah , I like to play on defense...I'm totally against the limp-d*ck f*ggot police-state tasering..Learn some martial arts , if you don't have 'em natural...

Posted by: frak | May 4, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"People advance in this day and age based on merit and experience."

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 4, 2010 4:21 PM

I wish that were true, but sadly it is not.

Racial tension still boils just underneath the calm surface of this country. Terrorism has replaced it as the topic of focus, but that doesn't mean it has gone away.

Racism = Ignorance + Fear.

Ignoring it and imploring people to "not talk about it" only furthers the problem. Racial intolerance must be challenged where ever it is found - not with violence and profanity-laced tirades, but with unwaivering intolerance and the presentation of a better ideas.

Perhaps leading by example and open, frank discussion would be a better place to start.

Posted by: edvar | May 4, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

what a non-story this is....geez

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | May 4, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"I do regret actions taken by our representatives that prevented your news organization from being able to report on the surprise early return of Lt. Denver Edick and his reunion with his wife Kristin, one of our cheerleaders," Snyder added that he was "making many changes in personnel and policy" that he hopes will ensure "that the Redskins are respectful and fair to the journalists that are covering our team."

A reporter then asked Snyder about what the changes are, Snyder responded "its none of your f-in business"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If 70% of the players are black, and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?

Unless you're hopelessly close-minded, I mean.


Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

1. Maybe its because there is no correlation between the skill sets that predict excellence a) on the field b) in the front office or any other non playing role.

2. Maybe its because those that have a higher failure rate on the field and therefore can't play professionally choose instead to participate in the only thing available, ie, anything not actually involving on the field participation. Athletic and medical training, coaching, scouting, managing, marketing, player representation.

3. Maybe its because there was for decades a de facto rule that black players played and white managers managed.

Whichever of these, i think the valid question is if its anything other than 3 TODAY, is there really a problem, particularly in light of the various internship programs including the one in which Chris Samuels, for example, is participating?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | May 4, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

hey vicc, no hard feelings... still waiting to hear your thoughts on Asian Olympic medalists.

also, since you're a fan of Jay Heinrichs' book "Thank You For Arguing", you should recognize that your quotation @ 4:57 amounts to a classic example of the 'Chewbacca defense'.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 5:31 PM

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kool.

Perhaps I should have been less controversial.

My (insensitive) assumption still holds true about the 100m dash though.

But I still think genetics play a part in athleticism.

*chuckle* at 'Chewbacca defense'

I like reading books, but blunt after blunt has retarded my retention skillz.

Perhaps that is why my arguments have not gotten through 2day.

I knew, like Lincoln did, that I would have to hurt some feelings today to honestly convey my message. I apologize to any1 who is upset with me feeling like change was gonna occur without a catalyst.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess Karl Swanson forgot to take his "What Would Vinny Do?" sign down.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | May 4, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Had never heard of the Chewbacca defense. But since I now know its 'using misleading arguments to confuse', I'd say its pretty normal stuff.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

snyder apologized? That is news. That's like the 2 nd or 3rd time in the let decade.

What what vinny thinks about this.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

people advance on merit and ....

I declare shennanigans!

We shouldnt be hung up on race when clearly GENDER is a bigger discriminatory factor today

Having the vag is the biggest advantage from my experience

Make the same $, get the easier tasks, etc

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

when is the entire scouting and personnel evaluation staff going to get canned?
Posted by: dcsween
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Hey Sween,
Interesting thought; did MS and BA bring in any new personnel in these areas when those two took over the FO of the Skins?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 4, 2010 3:09 PM

I figured that when they cleaned house, the timing for a complete sweep wouldn't work ... you don't want to replace all your scouts and personnel guys right before the start of free agency and the draft. I suspect some changes in the player personnel department might be coming soon ... or not. I heart Marocco Brown.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Given the state of the world economies, seems to me China ought to have a stranglehold on that. But no one from China ever wins it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 5:30 PM

How is pegging your currency to the dollar (and undervaluing against the dollar) and buying up the debt from primary consumer of the goods you produce something that makes you a clever economist?

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

No NEws is No News. ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 4, 2010 5:12 PM

what exactly did the redskins do that was wrong in this instance?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I completely agree with the first observation. The more important underlying question on the second rhetorical question should be "why exactly to I care about any of this?"

1. Lt. Edrick does not appear ready to suit up, much less start, as an offensive lineman.

2. Cheerleaders do not really inspire me, much less lead me to cheer. The room of cheerleaders did, however, inspire me to slight wood.

3. The last name of the director of cheerleading is "Jojokian" ... I think that's a funny word and that represents the sum total of what there was to care about in this story.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

RT @OGOchoCinco: OCNN BREAKING NEWS -Adam "PacMan Jones is officially a Bengal, you heard here first on OCNN News

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

According to a search warrant affidavit, Love, 22, "was unresponsive and did not respond to rescue attempts. The victim's pillow was covered in blood and she had a large bruise on the side of her face which appeared to be caused by blunt force trauma. Her right eye was swollen shut and she had bruises and cuts on her chin. The door to her bedroom had been forced open by what appeared to be a fist punching through the door."

Huguely's lawyer said at his client's arraignment that he is confident Love's death was an accident.
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This is an accident only if Huguely is a made member of a family, like The Sopranos

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 4, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

News - Saints | P.J. Hill claimed - The New Orleans Saints claimed free-agent RB P.J. Hill (Redskins) off waivers...

Who is PJ Hill?

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh gotcha... This Swanson guy seems like a total d-bag. Whats next waterboarding the mascots?

Glad to see he has been replaced.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | May 4, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse


Anyone who identifies himself as a "henchman" to an owner like Dan Snyder over the past decade has to be pretty bottom of the barrel scum.

Swanson is saying he's leaving the Skins to spend more time with his family...

...if I'm his family, I'm not sure how much I like the sound of that...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

According to a search warrant affidavit, Love, 22, "was unresponsive and did not respond to rescue attempts. The victim's pillow was covered in blood and she had a large bruise on the side of her face which appeared to be caused by blunt force trauma. Her right eye was swollen shut and she had bruises and cuts on her chin. The door to her bedroom had been forced open by what appeared to be a fist punching through the door."

Huguely's lawyer said at his client's arraignment that he is confident Love's death was an accident.


Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 4, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse


I can't wait to see how this defense plays out in court:

"Esteemed members of the court, my client in no way intended to kill Ms. Love. It was - you know - an accident. Beat the living crap out of her? Yes, absolutely. Kill her? Heavens, no!"

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Given the state of the world economies, seems to me China ought to have a stranglehold on that. But no one from China ever wins it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 5:30 PM

How is pegging your currency to the dollar (and undervaluing against the dollar) and buying up the debt from primary consumer of the goods you produce something that makes you a clever economist?

Posted by: dcsween

is it working?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps I should have been less controversial.

My (insensitive) assumption still holds true about the 100m dash though.

But I still think genetics play a part in athleticism.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2010 6:14 PM

again, no worries vicc... your original comment took me off guard somewhat, since I'm a geneticist by trade.

as far as I'm aware, there is very little in the way of substantiated scientific evidence for a link between genetics and athletic performance at the level of different populations of humans (e.g., race, nationality, or whatever construct you want to apply)... although this pernicious concept persists in the popular media (e.g., white men can't jump).

in fact, the vast majority of genetic differences are found among individuals (~85%), with smaller fractions partitioned among populations on the same continent (~10%), and even less among continents (~5%).

to put it another way, the amount of genetic diversity within any given population (e.g., east African endurance runners) is far, far greater than the relatively low level of genetic variation that might separate that group from other populations (e.g., northern Idaho militia members).

the reason my local militia is so good at eating doughnuts and blundering around in the woods with M-16s is more or less the same reason that Kenyans and Ethiopians have dominated long-distance events... i.e., environment, whether that be culture, training, or other factors. genetics might have a role, but if so it is relatively unimportant, at least when making comparisons at such a coarse scale.

this isn't to say that genes don't matter for individual athletic ability. they almost certainly do. for example, Yao Ming had relatively tall parents (6'10" and 6'2"). but they were also career basketball players in China, so he had the additional benefit of a supportive environment to develop his skills. the question of whether he can play basketball has very little to do with whether he is Chinese. his marketability, on the other hand, has everything to do with this.

the examples could go on and on... Tiger Woods and golf, anyone?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The Football season cannot start soon enough , hecht bring on training camp these stories are such non issues ...

Posted by: BeatDontStop | May 4, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

moodly,

Being a geneticist, would you please address the "The Bell Curve" a book written a back in 1994?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 4, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy Boren RedskinsInsider

Marko Mitchell, released Monday by the #Redskins, was picked up today by the Lions, @RickMaese reports

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell, released Monday by the #Redskins, was picked up today by the Lions, @RickMaese reports.
3 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Posted by: TWISI | May 4, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

The Football season cannot start soon enough , hecht bring on training camp these stories are such non issues ...

Posted by: BeatDontStop | May 4, 2010 7:55 PM

MOL and agreed with the first two parts... sports (and parasitic sports blogs) are a microcosm of society, so all the messy "non issues" intrude sometimes. looking forward to camp and season, as well.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

At least Marko wasn't picked up by someone in our division. That would have fueled the blog for weeks!

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

moodly,

Being a geneticist, would you please address the "The Bell Curve" a book written a back in 1994?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 4, 2010 8:00 PM

as far as "The Bell Curve" is concerned, it isn't regarded as serious science... largely on the basis of assumptions related to the use of so-called IQ scores to measure innate cognitive ability, the heritability of any such cognitive ability, and the fallacy of "race" as a trait that can be defined in relation to other metrics.

my personal opinion is that Herrnstein & Murray were largely out to make a buck by writing a deliberately controversial book that would sell lots of copies. they did pretty well. if "The Bell Curve" is on your bookshelf, I'd recommend "The Bell Curve Debate: History, Documents, Opinions" edited by Jacoby & Glauberman. it's a nice compilation of rebuttals and scholarly criticisms.

need to take a break from posting or WaPo is going to cut me off from the trough.

...catch you cows later.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

ProFootbalFocus
Marko Mitchell signed by the Lions. Good signing, definitely a guy that could earn a spot with a strong showing in camp

More Marko info:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/lionsblog/index.php?blogid=2152

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Being a geneticist, would you please address the "The Bell Curve" a book written a back in 1994?"

It's a book some dude wrote a few years ago proporting that you can prove the intellectual inferiority of people of color by examining various tests results.

It compared and contrasts how various ethnic groups do on standardized tests.

Thing is, he left out Nigerians in England and West Indian Blacks in America: both groups perform well on standardized tests, but he convienently ignored that fact hoping to prove black folks are dumb.

Worldwide, most coutnries don't even let the children of the poor and displaced take achievement tests.

In America, everyone--regardless of income and status--does.

That's why we should question politicians who want to say our schools am not dat good as dem around the world.

Too, he didn't address the obvious differences in where you go to school and how you perform on standardized tests.

Finally, his comparisons also failed to acknowledge that it's only been in the last 20 years that major accountability efforts have been put in place to bridge the gap in how we all are educated in America.

But with all that being said, we black folks are still proud of the fact that plenty of brothas are making millions singing and dancing and playing sports.

And I bet that not a one of them cares that he can't read as well as his white lawyer and account.

Or baby momma.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

If 70% of the players are [black], and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?
Posted by: Samson151
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I don't know maybe it's because over 80% of our population is white.. and who says you have had to be a player to be qualified to work in the FO???

Posted by: sovine08 | May 4, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"BP claims absolute responsibility for oil cleanup"

BP means Bad Press.

Or: Billowing Petroleum

Or: Broken Promises

Or: B!tchin' Problem

Or: Battling Pollution

'Cuz that's what folks along the coasts will be doing for about 10 years once this is over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

glad to hear your responses Moo, and MistaMoe. Again, once all the races mix what will we have to argue about? Let's get to mixing already!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 4, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

oil seeps into the oceans at an alarming rate naturally. trouble is, we've had a half years worth in a couple weeks.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | May 4, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

ProFootbalFocus
Marko Mitchell signed by the Lions. Good signing, definitely a guy that could earn a spot with a strong showing in camp

More Marko info:

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/lionsblog/index.php?blogid=2152

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse


Detroit could be a pretty decent landing spot for Marko.

Young team that will take the time to develop him; not a whole lot of locked-in WRs in front of him on the depth chart; playing opposite Megatron who will preoccupy defenses.

...then again, it is the Lions...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Marko mitchell # 84 , Joey Galloway # 84, Can't have two # 84's can we ? Conspiracy theory anyone ? Marko said "hell no you can't have my # ", Shanny say fine, your off the team !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | May 4, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

"BP claims absolute responsibility for oil cleanup"


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse


It kind of reminds me of that Chris Rock bit about people who want credit for the things they are supposed to do -

I got a job!!!! - You're SUPPOSED to have a job.

I pay my child support!!!! - You're supposed to pay your child support.

We take responsibility for that oil spill!!! - You're SUPPOSED to take responsibility...as if anyone else but BP could be blamed?

If only "taking responsibility" could make the Gulf clean.

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Chad Dukes is so annoying....The guy absolutely hates the Redskins. He is a diehard closet New York Giants fan ...so annoying... They love bashing Snyder..

Posted by: maz3 | May 4, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The guy absolutely hates the Redskins. He is a diehard closet New York Giants fan ...so annoying... They love bashing Snyder..

Posted by: maz3 | May 4, 2010 9:47 PM

If he loves bashing Snyder then he's probably a Redskins fan.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 4, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

"BP claims absolute responsibility for oil cleanup"

BP means Bad Press.

Or: Billowing Petroleum

Or: Broken Promises

Or: B!tchin' Problem

Or: Battling Pollution

'Cuz that's what folks along the coasts will be doing for about 10 years once this is over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

So what does your Brotha in the White House want to do? Build a bunch of oil platforms along the East Coast so we can have a big azz oil spill there also. That's what.

So what does my White Brother Gov'na in Cal do. Refuses to sign a bill to build more oil platforms along the Pacific Coast next to Cal because it's risky business.

Maybe that's why it's a White Man's World in the FO and CEO's of the World. They earned it, right? Or maybe BP means Bullsh#t President. What's he doing about it? Crying BP, BP, BP..... He needs another roasting from Jay Leno...LOL!

Posted by: TKing1 | May 4, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does anybody understand what Snyder apologized about?

Posted by: randysbailin | May 4, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

If 70% of the players are [black], and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?

Unless you're hopelessly close-minded, I mean.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2010 3:43 PM
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You're absolutely right. We need to hire some [white] players...

Posted by: ambrogicd | May 5, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

About why there are so few minorities in FOs and so many out there on the field, skinsfaninkanoehe has this to say:

"1. Maybe its because there is no correlation between the skill sets that predict excellence a) on the field b) in the front office or any other non playing role."

Who said there had to be? You arguing that there aren't enough talented minorities to write PR releases, research draftee backgrounds, and fetch coffee for Bruce Allen?

Not the same thing as running, jumping, and knocking people's heads off at the highest level... now that takes talent, even if it's not intellectual talent.

"2. Maybe its because those that have a higher failure rate on the field and therefore can't play professionally choose instead to participate in the only thing available, ie, anything not actually involving on the field participation. Athletic and medical training, coaching, scouting, managing, marketing, player representation."

Once again, the NFL has a prodigious failure rate, and most minorities who weren't NFL-good would love some of those trainer, scout, equipment manager, PR flack, and gofer jobs, too.

"3. Maybe its because there was for decades a de facto rule that black players played and white managers managed."

Um, that would be a form of racism, wouldn't it? The thing we're not supposed to discuss?

I do think it's great that Chris Samuels is participating in an internship program. What about somebody who actually needed the money?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Moodly bringing the intelectual heat, I love it!

Smart rulz
dumb azzes drool

Posted by: chrislarry | May 5, 2010 3:36 AM | Report abuse

The guy absolutely hates the Redskins. He is a diehard closet New York Giants fan ...so annoying... They love bashing Snyder..

Posted by: maz3 | May 4, 2010 9:47 PM

If he loves bashing Snyder then he's probably a Redskins fan.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 5, 2010 5:37 AM | Report abuse

"You're absolutely right. We need to hire some [white] players...Posted by: ambrogicd1"

LOL there are a number of white players out there who agree with you...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

I will be really interested in what product hits the field come September. I can see SHANAHAN and ALLEN hiring vets and providing the organization with some leadership and depth in key positions, LARRY JOHNSON for example. JOEY GALLOWAY for another. Who needs an ANTHONY ALDRIGE or a MARKO MITCHELL when you've got all that?

I really hoped this would be a quick fix, but with the change on defense to a 3-4, I can see a complete team makover in the works lasting over several years.

Yes, I will be interested in seeing what this team looks like in the future.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 5, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

if "The Bell Curve" is on your bookshelf, I'd recommend "The Bell Curve Debate: History, Documents, Opinions" edited by Jacoby & Glauberman. it's a nice compilation of rebuttals and scholarly criticisms.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 4, 2010 8:17 PM

Who knew Joe was a great left tackle AND a compiler of rebuttals and scholarly criticisms?!

Saying the Bell Curve "isn't considered serious science" is a far cry from saying that it is inaccurate or wrong. It wasn't a book about research on race. It was an argument for intelligence testing and the benefits it could offer the educational system and helping all people find their way to a career they will enjoy and thrive in. One day, society will get to where we can enjoy the benefits of intelligence testing without all of the snags we can't seem to get past.

Posted by: MColeman51 | May 5, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

If 70% of the players are [black], and 95% of the FO is white, how do you explain that without taking a hard look at some type of racism, even the covert sort?

Unless you're hopelessly close-minded, I mean.

Posted by: Samson151

Retard.

12-percent of the country is black and 70-percent of the players are black. Is that racist?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | May 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

common thread to all the bad PR over the last how many years? Snyder himself.

Posted by: kone | May 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Yao Ming had relatively tall parents (6'10" and 6'2").
Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo
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RELATIVELY tall??? That's a bit like saying Bill Gates is relatively rich.

Posted by: shanks1 | May 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Lt. Denver Edick: Welcome home to YOUR country. Now stay here where you belong.

Posted by: memyselfI1 | May 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This just in to out news desk:Aliens have kidnapped Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins. In his place, they substituted an exact replica of Mr. Snyder bu the plan was uncovered when this Mr. Snyder actually apologized for a questionable action taken by the organization.

Posted by: chopin224 | May 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse


That chick is smokin hot. The Marines get all the hot chicks

Posted by: efdelaney | May 5, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Classic Ill Doouche Sniderlini...how this moron made billions is beyond me because everything he touches turns to donkeydung. I mean, have you EVER seen someone billed as a 'Communications Whiz' be so inept at COMMUNICATING??

Posted by: kahlua87 | May 5, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Snyder basher but maybe he's turning over a new leaf. He fired his puppet Vinny, fired Swanson for this transgression, so let's have an open mind.

I love the "spending more time with my family" line. Yeah right.

Posted by: nativedc | May 5, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse


Samson151 = Moron
Wilbon = Moron

Posted by: hessone | May 5, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Why dont they just skip redskins insider articles on days that nothing is happening.

Posted by: ged0386 | May 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What is with these people?

Posted by: rmart2817 | May 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Lots of stuff on this blog not relating to the story so here goes . . .

1) The way the Washington has demeaned and disrespected ttheir own shouldn't surprise anyone - cetainly not me (See my previous posts). Snyder is a douch.

2) Racism is 20th century and is slowly becoming passe' - have patience - the old white men are dying everyday . . .

3) The company who owns the failed leaking rig is not BP. I'm not sure why BP is even involved in the clean-up so there is more than meets the eye - maybe Obama put the screws to 'em. BP hired the Swiss company that specializes in platform drilling and it's their platform, rig, safety program, etc - look it up . . .

Posted by: greg2 | May 5, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Why did the guy call any news organization at all? Is he and his girl publicity hounds? How many guys returning from Iraq/Afganistan call news agencies to cover their return?

The returning vet owes Snyder an apology for making this an issue.

Posted by: ahashburn | May 5, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Seems like the marine got all the cheap publicity he was after. The whole thing was staged from the timing to the full dress blues uniform, including (probably) the wife's tears. Give me a break.

Semper fi, USMCR

Posted by: ShovelPlease | May 5, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I did not realize that Dan Snyder knew how to apologize!!!

Posted by: fkb3 | May 5, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe things are getting better it beats saying your sorry for signing haynesworth.

Posted by: southportwave | May 5, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Taliban know how to post, congratulations.
And any of you Americans criticizing the Marine for having a pulse, go spend a week in Afghanistan -- and don't tell anyone about it.

Posted by: kls1 | May 5, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

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